Search for New Mayo Manager

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.   

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.

It was embarrassing, it wasn't as if it was a home venue for either side.

Scheduling issues was the reason, the game was in Limerick as it was the fairest venue with the required minimum capacity.

If it was Tyrone and Mayo and the game was outside of Croke Park in a neutral venue, the most suitable venue would be Thurles which would be more favourable to Mayo - that's just the rub of the green - pick your lip up off the floor and get on with it.

Mayo could certainly have issues with the refereeing that day but despite all the perceived injustices and bad luck they may feel they had that day, their players still had it in their hands to win that game - that is why introspection should be the first port of call.

It was a neutral venue, it was more advantageous to Kerry but there was not a fairer realistic alternative.

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.

It was embarrassing, it wasn't as if it was a home venue for either side.

Scheduling issues was the reason, the game was in Limerick as it was the fairest venue with the required minimum capacity.

If it was Tyrone and Mayo and the game was outside of Croke Park in a neutral venue, the most suitable venue would be Thurles which would be more favourable to Mayo - that's just the rub of the green - pick your lip up off the floor and get on with it.

Mayo could certainly have issues with the refereeing that day but despite all the perceived injustices and bad luck they may feel they had that day, their players still had it in their hands to win that game - that is why introspection should be the first port of call.

It was a neutral venue, it was more advantageous to Kerry but there was not a fairer realistic alternative.

All water under the bridge now! Horan bit his lip, made no comment with that game as his swan song. He laid low and returned to do his media work unscathed! H & C should have done the same. They look silly from this episode! There is always another challenge around the corner. And their comments may have pushed away attractive suitors in the future.

[Syferus]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.

It was embarrassing, it wasn't as if it was a home venue for either side.

Scheduling issues was the reason, the game was in Limerick as it was the fairest venue with the required minimum capacity.

If it was Tyrone and Mayo and the game was outside of Croke Park in a neutral venue, the most suitable venue would be Thurles which would be more favourable to Mayo - that's just the rub of the green - pick your lip up off the floor and get on with it.

Mayo could certainly have issues with the refereeing that day but despite all the perceived injustices and bad luck they may feel they had that day, their players still had it in their hands to win that game - that is why introspection should be the first port of call.

It was a neutral venue, it was more advantageous to Kerry but there was not a fairer realistic alternative.

All water under the bridge now! Horan bit his lip, made no comment with that game as his swan song. He laid low and returned to do his media work unscathed! H & C should have done the same. They look silly from this episode! There is always another challenge around the corner. And their comments may have pushed away attractive suitors in the future.

It won't have much more of an effect on their reputations than the rebellion did. The players' actions left it in tatters. For what exactly? A more ropey season the next year? The gamble by the players didn't even pay off and even if Rochford turns out to be a Christmas turkey they've already spent all the political capital even their supporters here can stomach.

In fact it's fair to say there's more support for H&C in the GAA community now than there was two weeks ago..

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.

It was embarrassing, it wasn't as if it was a home venue for either side.

Scheduling issues was the reason, the game was in Limerick as it was the fairest venue with the required minimum capacity.

If it was Tyrone and Mayo and the game was outside of Croke Park in a neutral venue, the most suitable venue would be Thurles which would be more favourable to Mayo - that's just the rub of the green - pick your lip up off the floor and get on with it.

Mayo could certainly have issues with the refereeing that day but despite all the perceived injustices and bad luck they may feel they had that day, their players still had it in their hands to win that game - that is why introspection should be the first port of call.

It was a neutral venue, it was more advantageous to Kerry but there was not a fairer realistic alternative.

All water under the bridge now! Horan bit his lip, made no comment with that game as his swan song. He laid low and returned to do his media work unscathed! H & C should have done the same. They look silly from this episode! There is always another challenge around the corner. And their comments may have pushed away attractive suitors in the future.

It won't have much more of an effect on their reputations than the rebellion did. The players' actions left it in tatters. For what exactly? A more ropey season the next year? The gamble by the players didn't even pay off and even if Rochford turns out to be a Christmas turkey they've already spent all the political capital even their supporters here can stomach.

In fact it's fair to say there's more support for H&C in the GAA community now than there was two weeks ago..

Do you think? I think there was more sympathy before the Breheny interview (or should that be notetaking - Cos he asked them no questions!).  Most people I've talked to outside the county have thought the interview made H & C look silly and nothing more. It all perspective I suppose and the only perspective that matters is the one inside our county!

[Rossfan]

Most of the "GAA Community" are busy looking after their own affairs and couldn't give 2 proverbial about Rhubarbia and it's travails.
Some of us love to see them infighting of course

I wonder who is the daftest poster on theach GAA BOARD.
Right now it's neck and neck between the Bomber and No Wides.
Two prize cases if everest there was one.

[Itchy]

From the bunker - so if I paraphrase your opinion, the appointment of h&c was a farce therefore everything the players did afterwards to get rid of them is fair game. I assume ruining the reputation of two of your own is ok too? Seems like a bullshit position on the issue to me.

Now I wonder why these brace players, with Mayos interest at heart didn't threaten strike immediately on their appointment? I wonder what was the issue that drive them over the edge?

[REDCOL]

Itchy you have experience of players getting rid of managers with the Liam Austin saga. Did you back the players in that instance. Also didnt the players vote to get rid of Val Andrews.

[Itchy]

Itchy you have experience of players getting rid of managers with the Liam Austin saga. Did you back the players in that instance. Also didnt the players vote to get rid of Val Andrews.

No I did not agree with what happened Liam Austin. I also do not believe players had a vote on Val Andrews, I think Val knew he had lost the dressing room but he had done some good before he left even if results were shocking (Cavan were lucky but to go to div4 for first time ever). Mind you that just whataboutery.

[Beffs]

All water under the bridge now! Horan bit his lip, made no comment with that game as his swan song. He laid low and returned to do his media work unscathed! H & C should have done the same. They look silly from this episode! There is always another challenge around the corner. And their comments may have pushed away attractive suitors in the future.

James Horan made plenty of comment before the game in Limerick. He was very outspoken in his oppostion to its selection as a venue. Didn't he even take his own county board to task, for not objecting to it stronger? Yes, he got to lay low after he left his managerial role. But he got to leave on his own terms. He wasn't pushed out by a player heave. He also got 4 years to find his feet and show his worth as a manager. H&C were not afforded that luxury. You are comparing apples to oranges there.

Disagree that H&C look silly at all. Agree or disagree with what they said, the timing of it etc etc, but they were perfectly entitled to have their say. They deserve huge credit for waiting until Mayo's season was over, before they spoke out about what happened. Imagine the shit storm it would have stirred up, if they spoke out in the middle of the summer? They didn't and fair play to them for that.

The manner in which they were appointed was seriously dodge. But they are not the first intercounty management to be appointed because of internal politics. They won't be the last. Telling the players to just suck it up and get on with it, may seem harsh, given the massive commitment levels required to be an intercounty player these days. However,  it's hard to feel sympathy for the situation the Mayo players found themsevles in, when they had already turned their noses up at the alternative mgt team, because one of them comitted the unforgivable crime of expressing an honest opinion about them in a newspaper column. Just how many bites at the cherry do they want, when it comes to picking their own manager?

There is right and wrong on all sides here. Absolving the players of any of the blame is rather strange. It is no skin off my nose if they are never subjected to the kind of rigourous self analysis, or the reigning in of certain egos, that H&C seem to think is necessary for Mayo to win an All Ireland. Other counties will just keep on winning All Irelands at their expense, until they do. Considering the 60 year drought, I find it very, very strange that there is unwillingness on the part of a lot of  Mayo people, to even admit of that possibilty. Oh well...like I said, it's no skin off my nose.

[moysider]

All water under the bridge now! Horan bit his lip, made no comment with that game as his swan song. He laid low and returned to do his media work unscathed! H & C should have done the same. They look silly from this episode! There is always another challenge around the corner. And their comments may have pushed away attractive suitors in the future.

James Horan made plenty of comment before the game in Limerick. He was very outspoken in his oppostion to its selection as a venue. Didn't he even take his own county board to task, for not objecting to it stronger? Yes, he got to lay low after he left his managerial role. But he got to leave on his own terms. He wasn't pushed out by a player heave. He also got 4 years to find his feet and show his worth as a manager. H&C were not afforded that luxury. You are comparing apples to oranges there.

Disagree that H&C look silly at all. Agree or disagree with what they said, the timing of it etc etc, but they were perfectly entitled to have their say. They deserve huge credit for waiting until Mayo's season was over, before they spoke out about what happened. Imagine the shit storm it would have stirred up, if they spoke out in the middle of the summer? They didn't and fair play to them for that.

The manner in which they were appointed was seriously dodge. But they are not the first intercounty management to be appointed because of internal politics. They won't be the last. Telling the players to just suck it up and get on with it, may seem harsh, given the massive commitment levels required to be an intercounty player these days. However,  it's hard to feel sympathy for the situation the Mayo players found themsevles in, when the players had already turned their noses up at the alternative because one of them comitted the unforgivable crime about writing something unflattering about them in a newspaper column. Just how many bites at the cherry do they want, when it comes to picking their own manager?

There is right and wrong on all sides here. Absolving the players of any of the blame is rather strange. It is no skin off my nose if they are never subjected to the kind of rigourous self analysis, or the reigning in of certain egos, that H&C seem to think is necessary for Mayo to win an All Ireland. Other counties will keep on winning All Irelands at their expense, until they do. Considering the 60 year drought, I find it very, very strange that there is unwillingness on the part of a lot of  Mayo people, to even admit of that possibilty. Oh well...like I said, it's no skin off my nose.

Exactly. No skin off your nose. Mine neither if truth be told.

I admit I do have sympathy for H&C but I also believe this setting-the-record-straight move they made recently was done out of self interest and not in the interest of Mayo football as they claimed. They are proud men and hurting ,and of course rejection for not being up to it was hard to stomach. They were not going to take it lying down and Mayo not wining AI final this year seems to have galvanised them to have a cut. Which is a bit desperate really. H&C should be no more concerned now about Mayo winning an AI than I or any other Mayo supporter. Coming out with what they did was only dog-in-the-manger stuff. They wanted to win an AI with Mayo but now that's not going to happen ....... Their decision to go to Brehony was spiteful and mean-spirited. And Brehony of all people, considering how disliked that hack is among us. Not quite Souness and the Sun but you get the idea.

For what it's worth I don t think I don t think 'reigning in of certain egos' cost us AIs. The inference from H&C was that Rochford let those ego's had an influence. Of course it begs the question how H&C did not manage to address issues like ego and clique if they recognised issues like that that needed addressing.

There are reasons we lost another AI this year. The goalkeeping thing will always raise eyebrows but I ll stand by my take on it in the immediate aftermath of the game - that's still on record here. I thought at the time management just tried to be too clever for their own good and maybe overanalysed the whole kick-out thing. I still believe that to be the case even though I was awful annoyed by the change when I heard about it the morning of the replay. H&C appear as opportunists (they were to get the appointment), that have pounced on rumour and innuendo to try and rescue their perceived reputations.

[Owenmoresider]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

Ok, so they are the victims of the mess. Finally we are getting somewhere.

The county board certainly have to take responsibility, as do the players.
Holmes and Connelly were treated disgracefully by the player, there is no absolving them of their actions simply because there were other parties at fault in this matter.

In all fairness, the whinging from Mayo about the Limerick venue in 2014 prior to the game was embarrassing, it wasn't really an issue yet they made a big issue out of it.

Why? When was the last time a football team was forced to play an AI semi final in a Province of their opponents outside of Croker? Would Kerry have been happy to play in Pearce Stadium in Galway? A pure disgrace! And the County board doings as well!

Anyway you are on a losing Battle.

So what? Pity they don't play more games outside of Croke Park rather than dragging teams up to a almost half-empty stadium. And I'd consider making a team travelling from another country to play a provincial final at the home venue of their opponents a much worse case. You deserved Limerick for that alone.

[Beffs]

Exactly. No skin off your nose. Mine neither if truth be told.

I admit I do have sympathy for H&C but I also believe this setting-the-record-straight move they made recently was done out of self interest and not in the interest of Mayo football as they claimed. They are proud men and hurting ,and of course rejection for not being up to it was hard to stomach. They were not going to take it lying down and Mayo not wining AI final this year seems to have galvanised them to have a cut. Which is a bit desperate really. H&C should be no more concerned now about Mayo winning an AI than I or any other Mayo supporter. Coming out with what they did was only dog-in-the-manger stuff. They wanted to win an AI with Mayo but now that's not going to happen ....... Their decision to go to Brehony was spiteful and mean-spirited. And Brehony of all people, considering how disliked that hack is among us. Not quite Souness and the Sun but you get the idea.

For what it's worth I don t think I don t think 'reigning in of certain egos' cost us AIs. The inference from H&C was that Rochford let those ego's had an influence. Of course it begs the question how H&C did not manage to address issues like ego and clique if they recognised issues like that that needed addressing.

Not up to it? They did as well - or better - than the managers that went before them, in their first year in charge. They won their province comfortably. They took the eventual All Ireland champions to a semi final replay. Not even James Horan did that, in his first year in charge.

Ok, so Roachford went one better this year, in getting to the AI final. But he needed a truck load of luck to get there. He got 3 home qualifiers. Aidan O'Shea won probably the softest penalty, in the entire history of the GAA. Mayo drew Tipp in the semi's.  Any one of those three things didn't happen & the AI final would have been much different. H&C didn't need any of that kind of luck.

I agree that their interview was self serving. At the end of the day, all interviews are, even when they are dressed up with "it's all about the team" humility. I can't blame them for looking out for themselves and, doing what it took to salvage their reputations. Did the Mayo players care about their reputations, when they were putting the story out there about the play book getting left behind in the hotel room? When that little nugget of information was leaked, everyone was thinking - what a pair of eegits ! Then it turns out it was left behind by one of the players. When that kind of tit for tat shite is going on, it's all a bit unsavoury. But if the players started it and they are caught out telling pork pies, they have only themselves to blame, if it's every man for himself now.

As for the egos. Who knows what that even entails. But let me ask this. If Mayos superstar talisman, was two footed, could actually kick snow off a roap when it matters, or wasn't obviously knackered tired by the 50th minute of the really big games, would Mayo have a couple of All Ireland titles by now? The goal he set up for Lee Keegan in the final replay, was the first wow moment I have seen from O'Shea in an All Ireland semi final or final. He has played in what....9 or 10 of them? Does his ego get in the way of being coached or managed in ways, that may make him think differently about how and what he contributes in the biggest of games? Only he knows the answer to that, I suppose.

[Lar Naparka]

Most of the "GAA Community" are busy looking after their own affairs and couldn't give 2 proverbial about Rhubarbia and it's travails.
Some of us love to see them infighting of course

I wonder who is the daftest poster on theach GAA BOARD.
Right now it's neck and neck between the Bomber and No Wides.
Two prize cases if everest there was one.

G'man Ross; great minds think alike and all that!
Mind you I think you could add a third name to your list.
No prize for guessing who either.
This has gone well past the hundred pager stage and will continue to climb as loong as the three amigos can't find somethinh better to do and the compassionate Mayo fans keep on trying to bate a bit of sense into their thick skulls. Mind you, there might only be one skull in question as I don't think 3 such specimens could exist at the same time; at least not on this board. anyway..