26 County General Election 2020

[Keyser soze]

So with all the Shinners on here, there's still not one that can give some information on Mary Lou's bosses Ted Howell, Martin Lynch and Padraig Wilson?

Your are the kings of whatabouterry though!

Well you seem to be the one in the know about how these 3 people are controlling SF so why don't you produce the evidence?

[johnnycool]

What's the link between Denis O'Brien and Charlie Haughey? Genuine question.

Denis assisted Charlie and Michael Lowry in advising on Mobile phone licenses being awarded in Ireland which just so happened to be his company....

Have a wee look at the Moriarty Tribunal

Beware of another Rainbow (or Grand as they might call it) Coalition

Haughey was gone from office in February 1992. Lowry only became a minister in December 1994.

The competition for the the second mobile phone licence took place in 1995 and was won by O'Brien's Esat Digifone. Haughey had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

Your right, apologies, it was the Dunnes he liked instead

No need to apologise.

FF and FG are so intertwined in corruption it can be very hard to keep track of it.

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

[Angelo]

So with all the Shinners on here, there's still not one that can give some information on Mary Lou's bosses Ted Howell, Martin Lynch and Padraig Wilson?

Your are the kings of whatabouterry though!

You are the king of contradictions.

[five points]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

[Angelo]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

Harping on about?

Why are you trying to bury talk about state corruption that has been endemic with the two establishment parties in the 26 since its conception?

[five points]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

Harping on about?

Why are you trying to bury talk about state corruption that has been endemic with the two establishment parties in the 26 since its conception?

Rebutting something is hardly burying it, although it escapes me what the precise problem is with burying something that is factually incorrect.

The idea of the Shinners presenting themselves as some sort of anti-corruption movement is funny though. Two words: Priory Hall.

[johnnycool]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

this was all going on in the 90's, the ceasefire happened in 1994 albeit the Canary Wharf bomb went off after that with the GFA in 1998, but somehow the Army Council is relevant in 2020 yet the goings on in FF and FG during the same time period isn't.

To sum it up Old IRA good, New IRA bad.

Shinners have enough holes in their manifesto without throwing out the same old tired diatribe.

[Angelo]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

Harping on about?

Why are you trying to bury talk about state corruption that has been endemic with the two establishment parties in the 26 since its conception?

Rebutting something is hardly burying it, although it escapes me what the precise problem is with burying something that is factually incorrect.

The idea of the Shinners presenting themselves as some sort of anti-corruption movement is funny though. Two words: Priory Hall.

You haven't rebutted it, you have said there is no need to discuss it.

It's extremely pertinent that there is a sickening culture of corruption in the two establishment parties in the 26 and you think it shouldn't be discussed, that's what you've said - no rebuttal - just a stance not to discuss it.

[five points]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

this was all going on in the 90's, the ceasefire happened in 1994 albeit the Canary Wharf bomb went off after that with the GFA in 1998, but somehow the Army Council is relevant in 2020 yet the goings on in FF and FG during the same time period isn't.

To sum it up Old IRA good, New IRA bad.

Shinners have enough holes in their manifesto without throwing out the same old tired diatribe.

The Old IRA were just as sh*t as the Provos and all the other modern successors. It is impossible for a country to bomb and shoot its way to prosperity. The 26 counties didn't recover from the War of Independence until about 1970.

[five points]

Rebutting something is hardly burying it, although it escapes me what the precise problem is with burying something that is factually incorrect.

The idea of the Shinners presenting themselves as some sort of anti-corruption movement is funny though. Two words: Priory Hall.

You haven't rebutted it, you have said there is no need to discuss it.

It's extremely pertinent that there is a sickening culture of corruption in the two establishment parties in the 26 and you think it shouldn't be discussed, that's what you've said - no rebuttal - just a stance not to discuss it.

When you're discussing a politician who is almost 30 years out of power and half of that period dead, you're in the realms of history. There is most certainly no need to not discuss history, but history has its limits in terms of current and future affairs.

[Lar Naparka]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

this was all going on in the 90's, the ceasefire happened in 1994 albeit the Canary Wharf bomb went off after that with the GFA in 1998, but somehow the Army Council is relevant in 2020 yet the goings on in FF and FG during the same time period isn't.

To sum it up Old IRA good, New IRA bad.

Shinners have enough holes in their manifesto without throwing out the same old tired diatribe.

The Old IRA were just as sh*t as the Provos and all the other modern successors. It is impossible for a country to bomb and shoot its way to prosperity. The 26 counties didn't recover from the War of Independence until about 1970.

Unfortunately, that is very true. All of my grandparents were shinners and all backed Dev during the civil war  and every one of them said that not all of the IRA and their supporters were noble freedom fighters, prepared to die for the Cause.
There were plenty who were more me feiners than sinn feiners- to put it mildly. I'm talking about east Mayo but I've no reason to think that other places were much different. A few farms changed under mysterious circumstances. Money that was collected for the cause and levies imposed on shopkeepers and on other business people were diverted along the way and some patriots wound up far richer at the end of the Troubles than  they were at the beginning.

[johnnycool]

Indeed.
Between Ansbacher accounts for tax avoidance and hidden payments from god knows where, Mahon tribunal, Moriarty tribunal, Beef tribunal and whatever else the integrity of FF and FG are very much dubious to say the least.

At least the legal class got very rich on the back of it all, so every cloud and all that!

but Army Council blah blah blah...

Absolutely no harm in making a mistake, but harping on at this stage about Haughey and Ansbacher accounts is a bit old hat by now. O'Brien and Lowry less so as they're both still in public life.

Then there are those who enriched themselves on the back on the armed 'struggle'...

this was all going on in the 90's, the ceasefire happened in 1994 albeit the Canary Wharf bomb went off after that with the GFA in 1998, but somehow the Army Council is relevant in 2020 yet the goings on in FF and FG during the same time period isn't.

To sum it up Old IRA good, New IRA bad.

Shinners have enough holes in their manifesto without throwing out the same old tired diatribe.

The Old IRA were just as sh*t as the Provos and all the other modern successors. It is impossible for a country to bomb and shoot its way to prosperity. The 26 counties didn't recover from the War of Independence until about 1970.

The Old IRA, like the New IRA were people of their time and circumstances, the only difference being 60 odd years in history.

Those times and circumstances have changed thankfully, so lets do grown up politicking without the cheap shots from those in glass houses is all that I'm saying.

[five points]

The Old IRA, like the New IRA were people of their time and circumstances, the only difference being 60 odd years in history.

Those times and circumstances have changed thankfully, so lets do grown up politicking without the cheap shots from those in glass houses is all that I'm saying.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

[Hound]

So with all the Shinners on here, there's still not one that can give some information on Mary Lou's bosses Ted Howell, Martin Lynch and Padraig Wilson?

Your are the kings of whatabouterry though!

Well you seem to be the one in the know about how these 3 people are controlling SF so why don't you produce the evidence?

I'm certainly not in the know about Sinn Fein! But did you read the evidence from the Cash for Ash enquiry?

A great example of the DUP and SF working together actually. Both enjoy ripping off the UK exchequer!

The scandal was completely DUP led, but SF helped keep it going for a bit longer than they should have. It was clear from the evidence provided that Sinn Fein needed permission from the three amigos before making any decisions. SF say they are one All Ireland party (to be commended), so it's hardly likely the 3 lads only look after the northern end.

[Rossfan]

FF and FG definitely to form an Governnent so

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sinn-fein-surges-ahead-of-fianna-fail-in-first-post-election-opinion-poll-39002641.html