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Title: McKenna Cup 2018
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2006, 02:22:48 AM
The Ulster Council has altered the size of Dr McKenna Cup panels from 27 to 30 for next month's edition of the pre-season competition. Effectively, managers can now use up to 40 players in the group stages. On top of an initial panel of 25 a further five players can be added for each game, provided the provincial council is notified at least five days prior to the game.

Queens University Belfast Squad:

F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O’Kane, G O’Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O’Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O’Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O’Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.

University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:

E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O’ Brien, P Downey, C Cavanagh, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O’Hagan.

St Mary’s Squad:

M O’Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O’Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O’Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O’Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, C McCarron, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham

7th Jan: Round 1
Section A
1. St. Mary’s v 2. Armagh at Crossmaglen
3. Fermanagh v 4. Monaghan at Lisnaskea

Section B
1. Derry v 2. Cavan at Celtic Park
3. Queens University v 4. Tyrone at Omagh

Section C

1. Donegal v 2. UUJ at Ballyshannon
3. Down v 4. Antrim at Newcastle

14th Jan: Round 2
 
 Section A
2. Armagh v 3. Fermanagh at Crossmaglen
4. Monaghan v 1. St. Mary’s at Castleblayney
 
Section B
2. Cavan v 3. Queens University at Cavan
4. Tyrone v 1. Derry at Omagh
 
Section C
2. UUJ v 3. Down at Newcastle
4. Antrim v 1. Donegal at Casement Park
 
21st Jan: Round 3:
 
Section A
1. St. Mary’s v 3. Fermanagh at Irvinestown
2. Armagh v 4. Monaghan at Castleblaney
 
Section B
1. Derry v 3. Queens University at Celtic Park
2. Cavan v 4. Tyrone at Cavan
 
Section C
1. Donegal v 3. Down at Ballybofey
2. UUJ v 4. Antrim at Casement Park
 
 
28th Jan: Semi Finals:

(1) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section A
(2) Winner of Section B v 4th Placed Team
 
18th February;

Final: 1 v 2
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2006, 09:42:30 PM
Ulster chief issues McKenna Cup warning

Saturday, December 30

An Ulster Council chief has called on intercounty managers not to pressurise footballers into playing for their county over their college in next month's Dr McKenna Cup campaign.

The Council's Director of Coaching and Games Dr Eugene Young issued a statement to county secretaries in the run up to Christmas asking them to make sure any footballers selected by Queen’s University Belfast, St Mary’s and University of Ulster Jordanstown are allowed to play for their college.

Three years ago county representatives and managers met to discuss burnout and clashing training sessions from November to February and Young is concerned that what was agreed then will be endorsed next year.

“All involved agreed that the young players involved in Higher Education who were being asked to train with the counties were under too much pressure," he said.

“There was a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ and formal regulations developed for the McKenna Cup.

“It was agreed that if the quality of the training received at higher education was good then the young players should be able to train with the Universities during this period.”

Young stressed that “the regulations clearly state that all Universities have first call on the players.

"Can we ask counties ‘in the best interests of the players’ to please allow these young players to play with their institutions, if selected to do so, and not to put pressure on them to choose county over university.

“For the good of the competition, your help in making sure that these rules and regulations are adhered to would be appreciated and pressure from county management teams on players to play with their county over their university should not happen.”

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
Cavan boss performs major surgery

Saturday, December 30

New Cavan manager Donal Keoghan has performed major surgery on his Senior football panel with just 17 of last year’s squad set to feature in the upcoming campaign.

Of Martin McElkennon’s 2006 squad eight high-profile footballers have either been dropped, opted out or retired - Pauric Reilly, Cathal Collins, Anthony Gaynor, James Reilly (Drung), Eddie O’Reilly (Mullahoran), Finbarr O’Reilly and Michael Brides.

Gaynor is travelling in Australia and will be away for at least three months, while James Reilly is taking a year out as he is unable to give the necessary commitment.

Peter Reilly is retired, and the other five have been dropped.

A further seven panellists have been let go by Keoghan - Michael Brennan, Dermot McGlade, Eamonn O’Reilly (Shannon Gaels), Enda King, Dermot Sheridan, Martin Lynch and Joey Jordan.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mike Sheehy on December 31, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
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Cavan boss performs major surgery


God be with the days when the "magic" water bottle was sufficient
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2007, 01:32:03 AM
C McGourty (Antrim?)
R Keenan (Fermanagh)
M Digney (Down)
D Coulter (Armagh?)
M McIver (Brian's cub is he Derry of Tyrone?)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 01, 2007, 01:35:16 AM
st. marys
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R Hamill,
Armagh and Silverbridge's ryan hamill.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Armagh Exile on January 01, 2007, 10:52:04 AM
Paul Keenan (Carrickcruppen & Armagh)

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 01, 2007, 06:55:56 PM

I think g o'neill is from dromintee in armagh
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2007, 07:23:42 PM
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L Meenan,  (Omagh CBS,Tyrone)

Come on TYP! What about the clubs?
Title: Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
Mulgrew makes few changes in Fermanagh

Monday, January 1

Fermanagh senior football manager Charlie Mulgrew has made very few changes to his panel ahead of the McKenna Cup.

All of those who played in last year's championship are back in the fold once again, with the exception of injured midfielder Liam McBarron.

Into the panel come Ciaran McElroy, Declan McKeever, Paul McCusker, Dara McQuaid, Donal McAvinue, Shane Lyons and Shane O'Brien at the expense of bit-part players Darren Murphy, Fergal Reilly, Adrian Little, Paul Martin, Declan Reilly and Paddy Lohan.

Ciarán O'Reilly and Ryan Keenan will play for their respective universities, Queen's and St Mary's, in the competition.

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Title: Armagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Armagh depleted for McKenna Cup
Monday, January 1

Armagh senior football manager Joe Kernan has admitted that his panel is seriously depleted going into this month's McKenna Cup.

With his own club Crossmaglen Rangers still involved in the All-Ireland club championship, Kernan will be missing seven panelists (Aaron and Stephen Kernan, John and Tony McEntee, Francie Bellew, Paul Hearty and Oisin McConville) from the county and Ulster champions while Ronan Clarke and Brian Mallon are long-term absentees with cruciate ligament injuries.

Armagh will also be without six players, Charlie Vernon, Micheal O'Rourke, Paul Keenan, James Lavery, Stefan Forker and Finnian Moriarty, who will be representing third-level colleges in the competition. Also unavailbale is Paddy McKeever who is currently out of the country.

"Ideally, I like to go out and win every game, but we have to accept that it's going to be very tough given the situation we are in,'' Kernan told the Irish News.

The senior panel, or what remains of it, are currently training with the under-21 squad and a number of the youngsters may well be given a chance in the senior jersey.

"Training with the under-21s suits both of us at the minute," Kernan added.

"It allows Peter (McDonnell, under-21 manager) to judge his players against county footballers. It also bulks up our numbers at training.

"As things stood, I only had six forwards available for selection and that was before any injuries."

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 - UUJ players - club & county
Post by: An Dun Deal on January 01, 2007, 07:53:28 PM
UUJ
Eoin Mc Nicholl   Glenullin          Derry
Rory Murray          Desertmartin   Derry
James Conlan          Carrickmacross   Monaghan
Finnian Moriarty   Wolfe Tones   Armagh
Philip Mooney          Swatragh          Derry
Paul Doherty          Rasharkin          Antrim
Darren Hughes          Scotstown   Monaghan
Peter Donnelly          Coalisland          Tyrone
Jonathan Bradley   Glen                 Derry
Paddy Cunningham   Lamh Dhearg   Antrim
Mark Lynch          Banagher          Derry
Raymond Mulgrew   Cookstown   Tyrone
Paul Forker          Maghery          Armagh
Michael Herron          Lamh Dhearg   Antrim
Ciaran Conlon          Silverbridge   Armagh
Michael Mc Alister   Clan na Bana   Down
James Colgan          An Riocht          Down
John Boyle          Warrenpoint   Down
Brendan Boggs          Owen Roes   Tyrone
Damian McCaul          Donaghmore   Tyrone
Eamon McConville   Rostrevor          Down
Shea McAleer          Harps          Monaghan
Kevin Dyas          Dromintee    Armagh
Bernard O’ Brien   Latton          Monaghan
Packie Downey          Drumgath          Down
Colm Cavanagh          Moy                 Tyrone
Declan Lavery          Magheralin   Down
Collie Farrell          Annaclone   Down
Ronan Mc Rory          Errigal Ciaran   Tyrone
Shane O Hagan          Clonduff          Down

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 01, 2007, 07:59:00 PM
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Armagh will also be without six players, Charlie Vernon, Micheal O'Rourke, Paul Keenan, James Lavery, Stefan Forker and Finnian Moriarty, who will be representing third-level colleges in the competition
Forker and Lavery weren't on the senior panel? How will we be without them now?  ???   
Title: Re: Armagh
Post by: Orior on January 01, 2007, 09:00:53 PM
Armagh depleted for McKenna Cup
Monday, January 1

Armagh senior football manager Joe Kernan has admitted that his panel is seriously depleted going into this month's McKenna Cup.

Sorry Joe, the phone was off the hook there. Give me a call now. I've been keeping fit and my boots are clean.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 01, 2007, 11:54:56 PM
I could be wrong Pint but I believe Lavery is on the senior panel?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 02, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
I could be wrong Pint but I believe Lavery is on the senior panel?
He's not named in programme for ulster final anyway.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Doire abú on January 02, 2007, 12:39:07 AM
Michael McIver is Derry by the way. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: parttimeexile on January 02, 2007, 08:32:32 AM
Has anyone got a list of all the squads for the teams in the Mc Kenna cup or have they not been named?
Title: Tyrone McKenna Cup Squad 2007
Post by: parttimeexile on January 03, 2007, 09:04:17 AM
D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 09:07:41 AM
Plenty of opportunities handed out to novices. Looking forward to seeing how Marlow has progressed as a senior.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 03, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
I thought Mickey might have run the ruler over a couple of the Fianna lads.  Ah well, with such a plethora of talent ye can't squeeze everybody in!

Tyrrone - McKenna Cupsters
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: loughshore lad on January 03, 2007, 10:54:04 AM
Anyone know if the C McCarron from Omagh is a defender or a forward? There was a full back and corner forward for omagh who were both very impressive for omagh against us last season and I think it is one of them just not sure what one. Also thought the young Dromore full back (quite sure he is McCarron as well) would have got a run. Glad to see Tommy get another run out thought he got harshly enough done by last year after the McKenna cup. Dont think any of the fianna players are at that standard at the moment.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: bennydorano on January 03, 2007, 11:11:12 AM
See he's called up some Uni lads, what's he playing at?  Granted Tyrone are his first priority, but why invite the Uni's into the competition and then handicap already inferior teams?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 03, 2007, 11:56:05 AM
Two of Sunday’s McKenna Cup matches which were due to take place at Lisnaskea and Newcastle have been switched to alternative venues.

Fermanagh’s opener against Monaghan will now take place at Irvinestown, still with a 2pm throw-in. Down’s first match of the season against Antrim has also been moved from Newcastle to Downpatrick, and will also throw-in at 2pm.



Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: parttimeexile on January 03, 2007, 12:21:26 PM
As far as I know Cathal Mc Carron from Dromore is a full back and Cathal Mc Carron from Omagh is a forward.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: overdabar on January 03, 2007, 12:47:30 PM


TG4 have confirmed that the station will broadcast matches live from next month’s Gaelic Life sponsored Dr. McKenna Cup competition in Ulster. The Irish language station will broadcast 5 live games beginning on Sunday 7 January with the clash of Derry and Cavan from Celtic Park in Derry. This will be the first time ever that the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup will be broadcast live on national television. This news also means that GAA followers all over the country will have access to live matches on TG4 every Sunday >from the beginning of January until early May with live coverage from the Dr. McKenna Cup, Allianz Football League, Allianz Hurling League, AIB All-Ireland Club Championships, Sigerson Cup, Fitzgibbon Cup, Cadburys Under-21 Football Championship, Suzuki National Ladies Football Leagues, Hogan Cup and Croke Cup.

Announcing the Dr. McKenna Cup coverage, TG4 Sports Editor, Rónán Ó Coisdealbha, said that the station was delighted to be developing its partnership with the Ulster Council and the competition sponsor to give this year’s Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup a new television profile. TG4 is very proud of its special place in the hearts of GAA followers,  he said "and we are very excited that we will be showing games in the month of January for the first time ever".


Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup - Live on TG4

Sunday 7 January
1:45pm   Coverage starts on ’GAA BEO’ with build-up and analysis
2:00pm   Derry v Cavan live from Celtic Park, Derry


Sunday 14 January
1:45pm   Coverage starts on ’GAA BEO’ with build-up and analysis
2:00pm   Tyrone v Derry live from Healy Park, Omagh


Sunday 21 January
1:45pm   Coverage starts on ’GAA BEO’ with build-up and analysis
2:00pm   Donegal v Down live from Páirc Mhic Cumhaill, Ballybofey


Sunday 28 January
1:45pm   Coverage starts on ’GAA BEO’ with build-up and analysis
2:00pm   Semi-final live - match to be confirmed


Saturday 17 February
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Final - Live           (Time to be confirmed)



Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: DuperDee on January 03, 2007, 03:13:01 PM
The McCarron from Omagh is a forward. Wee bit surprised that McCarron from Dromore did not make this panel. Maybe he is part of some of the college teams. I see Aidan McCarron is back in the McKenna Cup panel. I thought he did well last year and then was not kept for the League panel. I heard that a big of bad blood developed between him and Harte over his dropping but then he was recalled for the McKenna Cup Final. After that he went to NY and was man of the match in their game against Roscommon in the championship. It will be interesting to see if he makes it this year. We could have done with him last with so few forwards in the panel.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2007, 03:17:53 PM
Anyone know if the C McCarron from Omagh is a defender or a forward? There was a full back and corner forward for omagh who were both very impressive for omagh against us last season and I think it is one of them just not sure what one. Also thought the young Dromore full back (quite sure he is McCarron as well) would have got a run. Glad to see Tommy get another run out thought he got harshly enough done by last year after the McKenna cup. Dont think any of the fianna players are at that standard at the moment.

Cathal McCarron is a forward from Omagh. I think he was top scorer in the Championship two years ago and won the Teamtalk young achiever award in the same year. He was also part of the Tyrone AI Minor winners a few years ago and last year and was in the U21 squad. I remember him scoring a good goal for Tyrone Minors at Clones a few years ago.
Title: Squads so far
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
Queens University Belfast Squad:

F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O’Kane, G O’Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O’Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O’Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O’Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.

University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:

E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O’ Brien, P Downey, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O’Hagan.

St Mary’s Squad:

M O’Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O’Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O’Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O’Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham

Tyrone Squad

D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)


Antrim provisional panel
A Gallagher, A McClean, C Lynch, C Close, C Brady, C McGoldrick, D Gault, D Martin, E O'Neill, G Galway, G Bell, H McKay, J Quinn, J Finucane, K Martin, K Franklin, L Higgins, M McClenaghan, M McCann, M Magill, M Rea, N Ward, O McAteer, P Logan, P Close, S McGreevy, S McVeigh, T McCann, T Close, T Scullion.

ARMAGH Squad

Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick’s), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick’s), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O’Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O’Rourke (St Michael’s).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 03, 2007, 05:53:40 PM
Can't comprehend what Mickey is hoping to achieve by putting pressure onto youngsters, McCaul, Boggs and Colm Cavanagh. All 3 are in their uni squad, and now in their County panel, which gives them a difficult decision.
Mickey would be one of the biggest supporters of the competition but now could instigate something that could ultimately derail it!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6227719.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ExiledGael on January 03, 2007, 06:02:56 PM
I think Harte is being a bit of an asshole about this and he could put the competition as it is into doubt.
He probably has the greatest pool of players to choose from, even with injuries, of any manager in the province or further afield, yet it's only him who sees fit to do this.
UUJ in real trouble now without Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul. Peter Donnelly broke his hand last week and Finnian Morriarty tore his hamstring this week. Moran and UUJ must be fuming with Harte.
Other managers who have left their players to the devices of the colleges will also not be too impressed.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 03, 2007, 08:05:17 PM
Altogether now "Harte - nooooooooooo!"
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 03, 2007, 08:17:55 PM
On the news tonight that Kavanagh was definately playing with Tyrone in the Mc Kenna Cup.  Said the other two were undecided.  I'm sure this won't go down too well with his Poly teammates.  Harte has put him in this position by naming him - what does he hope to achieve?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 08:58:05 PM
I'm 100% with Mickey on this one. His job is to compile a Sam Maguire winning squad. What Universities do is of no interest to him, especially now that's he's a Dr. himself!  He's not calling players away from the Sigerson event itself. Thses are just warm-up games for the unis. The McKenna Cup is possibily the only time he'll get to see some of these players before the NFL starts.

And it's Cavanagh. Kavanagh's a Rebel.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 03, 2007, 09:20:39 PM
The arrangement put in place was that the universities would have first call on the players.  You mean to tell me he needs these three players more than their universities need them.  He is making the lads choose which just isn't fair.  Other managers could have done likewise and called players into their squads but resisted this.  These lads have to live with the call they make and this will not be easy within a tight squad like the Poly.  Harte was involved with St. Mary's for long enough to realise the importance of Sigerson football which THEY are preparing for.  Bad move
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 09:38:09 PM
Mickey Harte is manager of the Tyrone senior football team. His aim is to win the All-Ireland title. What Universities do for three Sundays in January is of no interest to him. If Cavanagh or anyone else decides he'd rather throw his hand in with the county on those Sundays and risk alienation from the Unis that's up to them. However, i'd doubt very much they'll be dropped for Sigerson duty (Queens & UUJ play their first game on Feb 14st)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 03, 2007, 09:53:17 PM
The participation of the Universities have helped rejuvenate this previously ailing competition.  The players should be made play for their first allegiance which in this case is their university.  The All Ireland may not be won during these early months of the year but the Sigerson is.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 10:37:32 PM
If Mickey Harte made one error last year, it was playing close to his first team during the McKenna Cup. When injuries to these key players started to occur during the NFL, fringe players did not have the experience to count when the white heat set in during the summer. So yes, what happens in January/Feb has some part to play when it comes to knowing what players can be called upon when needed.

When Tyrone play Dublin in front of 50'000 plus on February 3rd, without Dooher, McGuigan et al, the Red Hands need to be ready - not throwing in uni players who haven't pulled on a Tyrone geansai this year. If Kernan, Crozier, Gormley don't see it that way, fair play to them.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 03, 2007, 11:44:23 PM
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Mickey Harte is manager of the Tyrone senior football team. His aim is to win the All-Ireland title. What Universities do for three Sundays in January is of no interest to him. If Cavanagh or anyone else decides he'd rather throw his hand in with the county on those Sundays and risk alienation from the Unis that's up to them. However, i'd doubt very much they'll be dropped for Sigerson duty (Queens & UUJ play their first game on Feb 14st)

O'Neill what will Mickey learn from beating a understrength university side by 15-20 points. The aim at this stage of the year is to give his players competitive football. If every County manager shared his philosophy, the competition would fall apart.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 11:57:17 PM
Tyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.

As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:

Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10

Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: bennydorano on January 04, 2007, 09:36:49 AM
Tyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.

As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:

Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10

Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.
And taking some of the Uni players is going to improve the standard of the competition? He's being a w**ker pure and simple.  Maybe the other managers will get together and offer him another McKenna Cup if he's that badly stuck for one.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: onlyonefut on January 04, 2007, 09:42:43 AM
Irish News

Gaelic Games 
By Paddy Heaney 


Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy has hinted that Tyrone could face disciplinary action if they refuse to comply with the rules of the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup.

Under the rules of the competition, university teams are given first preference on players who are also eligible for county squads.

But Tyrone boss Mickey Harte is currently on a collision course with the provincial council. He has named Colm Cavanagh, Damian McCaul and Brendan Boggs in his McKenna Cup squad, even though they are wanted by UUJ as well.

Murphy has indicated that Tyrone could face some type of censure if these three players aren’t released to their university.

“I don’t want to speculate on what type of action could be taken. But competition regulations are there for people to comply with.

“The rules regarding students are part of the game regulations, so if someone doesn’t comply with them, we will certainly have to have a look at it.

“Competitions rules are enforceable in just the same way as the rules of the official guide book,’’ warned Murphy.

Tyrone are due to begin the defence of their McKenna Cup title on Sunday against Queen’s in Omagh. Jordanstown will have their first outing on the same day against Donegal in Ballyshannon. UUJ boss Adrian McGuckin has all but resigned himself to the fact that he will be without Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul.

“We were told to name 30 players for a panel before Christmas. We were led to believe that the county teams couldn’t pick those players.

“When I went up to Jordanstown today, I learned that three of them had been picked for Tyrone. There is not a lot we can do about that.

“We can’t control who the players want to play for. I can only assume that they will decide to play for Tyrone, but maybe that won’t be the case,’’ said McGuckin.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 04, 2007, 09:59:53 AM

Harte would want to cop himself on. what is being achieved by weakening what are already the weakest teams in the competition? Harte has set himself up in the media as this "holier than thou" gaa prophet and then pulls this type of crap.

The McKenna cup has been reinvigorated by the inclusion of the universities so where's the sense in marginailsing and weakening them?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 04, 2007, 10:10:26 AM
Quote
Tyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.

As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:

Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10

Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.

O'Neill, how you explain the interest generated in the Mc Kenna Cup in the last few years.  The competition trundled on for years until the universities came on board to give it a lift.  Maybe you have another reason why the profile of the competition has been raised recently - I would like to hear it.

Also good to see that Harte may not get away with this stunt, according to IN.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 04, 2007, 10:16:49 AM

O'Neill conveniently selects scorelines which suit his drivel. for example, I remember the poly drawing with armagh in cross last year.

The competition suits everyone. it's an ideal platform for counties to get a look at players early season in a competitive environment and its perfectly timed for the unis to build towards sigerson.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 04, 2007, 10:19:32 AM
Don't agree with what Harte is doing re:Uni players, it's unsportsmanly!!!

Does anyone know the Dun na nGall panel for the McKenna???
Title: Monaghan news
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2007, 10:31:51 AM
from:  http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70594

McKenna Cup kick starts new season
03 January 2007


Monaghan get their 2007 season off the ground with an away game against Fermanagh in this year’s Dr McKenna Cup on Sunday 7th January in Lisnaskea at 2.00pm.

Monaghan reached the final of the Dr McKenna cup last year following victories over Derry, Armagh and St Mary’s College only to lose out to Tyrone in the final in Casement Park. The McKenna Cup is enjoying a whole new lease of life and this year has attracted a sponsor for the first time with the new GAA newspaper Gaelic Life coming on board. The competition too enjoyed unprecedented attendances last year and there is no reason to believe that this year will be any different.

Part of the new-found status of the competition can also be reflected in the fact that a number of matches will be televised live by TG4. Monaghan team manager Seamus McEneaney has named a panel of 25 players for this opening game on Sunday with a number of new faces being drafted in following a series of trial matches and training sessions.

Among the new faces are goalkeeper, Padraig McBennett from Castleblaney, Carrickmacross centre back Gary McEneaney, Latton’s Stephen Fitzpatrick, Inniskeen’s Paul Meegan, Aghabog’s Shane Mulligan, Rockcorry’s Mark Daly and Inniskeen’s Matthew McKenna while Mark Duffy who won a Dublin SFC medal with UCD last year and Jason Hughes are recalled to county duty. Bernard O’Brien is named on the Monaghan panel but he is also listed on the University of Ulster, Jordanstown panel and if representing the college will not be available for selection as the colleges have first call on the students. Monaghan actually have four players listed with that particular college, James Conlon, Carrickmacross, Darren Hughes Scotstown, Shea McAleer, Monaghan Harps and Bernard O’Brien, Latton. The Monaghan panel is: Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O’Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman. Damien Freeman will again captain the team in 2007.

Fermanagh for their part are relying on the tried and trusted with only minimal changes to the senior football squad that operated in 2006 although manager, Charlie Mulgrew has brought in a number of new faces and will also have to plan with out the services of Liam McBarron who is out with a long-term injury. He will also have to reckon without Ciaran O’Reilly and Ryan Keenan who will play with their respective universities in this competition.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2007, 11:42:32 AM
Some unbelievably naive comments here. What on earth had UUJ got to do with 20'000 turning up to watch Tyrone/Armagh or 13'000 to watch Tyrone/Donegal.

The reason for the reinvigoration of the McKenna is two-fold. Firstly, it coincided with the restructuring of the NFL. Whereas teams had been playing from November in the league in the past, making it difficult to fit the competition in, now the first chance supporters have to see their teams in action  is the McKenna in January. Don't forget there was no McKenna at the start of the century. Secondly, the emergence of Ulster as a powerful force (2002) in terms of national silverware has increased attendances immensely, naturally. The University games have seen the poorest attendances.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: superblues on January 04, 2007, 11:53:50 AM
does not matter what way  you look at it Harte  is breaking the rules and should be punished
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2007, 11:54:22 AM
No sign of Donegal Squad yet Gaoth Dobhair maybe it will appear in tomorrows GL


Queens University Belfast Squad:

F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O’Kane, G O’Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O’Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O’Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O’Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.

University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:

E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O’ Brien, P Downey, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O’Hagan.

St Mary’s Squad:

M O’Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O’Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O’Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O’Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham

Tyrone Squad

D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)


Antrim provisional panel

A Gallagher, A McClean, C Lynch, C Close, C Brady, C McGoldrick, D Gault, D Martin, E O'Neill, G Galway, G Bell, H McKay, J Quinn, J Finucane, K Martin, K Franklin, L Higgins, M McClenaghan, M McCann, M Magill, M Rea, N Ward, O McAteer, P Logan, P Close, S McGreevy, S McVeigh, T McCann, T Close, T Scullion.

ARMAGH Squad

Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick’s), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick’s), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O’Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O’Rourke (St Michael’s).

Monaghan Squad

Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O’Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman.

Down Squad

Bernard Connell Drumgath,  Aidan Burns Castlewellan, Adrian Carville Bryansford,  Martin Cole Rostrevor,  Darren Cunningham Saval, Barry Doran Longstone, Kevin Gracey Downpatrick,  Conor Gribben Bryansford,  Eoin Henry Warrenpoint,  Stephen Kearney Mitchels,  Brendan Loughran Shamrocks,  Jack Lynch Drumgath, Padraig Matthews Clonduff,  Ruairi McArdle Castlewellan, Martin McClean Kilcoo,  Michael McVeigh Castlewellan,  Colin McCrickard Liatroim,  Brendan McGourty Ballycran,  Fintan McGreevy Castlewellan,  Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks, Colm Murtagh Glenn,  Brendan Rodgers Mayobridge,  Brian Sweeney St Michaels,  Peter Telford Downpatrick,  Stephen Toner Bryansford, Kevin Duffin Castlewellan,  Declan Rooney Burren,  Peter Turley Downpatrick,  Peter Turley Saval,  Gareth Johnson Ballygalget

Fermanagh Squad

C Breen, N Bogue, B Owens, S Goan, P Sherry, H Brady, D Kelly, J Sherry, M McGrath, M Little, T Brewster, E Maguire, C Bradley, S Doherty, C McElroy, N Tinney, R Johnston, T McElroy, S McDermott, D McKeever, M Murphy, J McGurn, B Og Maguire, P Johnston, E Ferris, P McCusker, D McQuaid, D McAvinue, S Lyons, S O’Brien.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2007, 12:00:52 PM
Some unbelievably naive comments here. What on earth had UUJ got to do with 20'000 turning up to watch Tyrone/Armagh or 13'000 to watch Tyrone/Donegal.

The reason for the reinvigoration of the McKenna is two-fold. Firstly, it coincided with the restructuring of the NFL. Whereas teams had been playing from November in the league in the past, making it difficult to fit the competition in, now the first chance supporters have to see their teams in action  is the McKenna in January. Don't forget there was no McKenna at the start of the century. Secondly, the emergence of Ulster as a powerful force (2002) in terms of national silverware has increased attendances immensely, naturally. The University games have seen the poorest attendances.

I also feel Mickey Harte deserves credit for the renewed interest in this competition. Following All-Ireland success he played a very strong team in the following year's competition and made no bones about the fact that he wanted to win it. The attendance at that years final in Ballybofey v Donegal was exceptional (as was Tyrone's performance that day).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: supersarsfields on January 04, 2007, 12:11:09 PM
Have to say i'm not for what Mickey is doing either. If there's a rule that players should put perference in their uni's rather than the counties then it shouldn't be bent or twisted for anyone. If all managers were doing the same it would leave the competition dead for the Uni's.
And sure Mickey can still get a good look at the three players if he wants. And what better way of assessing whether they are good enough for county standard than to play against all the county teams.
I've great respect for Mickey and his views most of the time, but i think he's wrong here. 
Title: Is Harte above the rules?
Post by: wobbller on January 04, 2007, 12:18:09 PM
 If Harte doesn't like the Rules or won't abide by them he shouldn't have entered the competition.Another line would be that his County Board should instruct him how to behave.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Border Fox on January 04, 2007, 12:34:41 PM
ARMAGH Squad

Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick’s), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick’s), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O’Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O’Rourke (St Michael’s).

Who's gonna start the annual campaign for Barry Shannon's inclusion?????
I think the two McCreesh's are both from Cullyhanna

Monaghan Squad

Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O’Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman.

Good to see the likes of Meegan, Gary Banty, Mulligan given a chance
Butsy McBennet for the county!!!! - Good kickout tho..
I hope Mark Duffy has improved ......
Who is Matthew McKenna?
I'd be hoping one of the Latton boys, bob or Eoin Duffy shines this year.
Incidentally, boband Jemmy Conlon are named on the J'town panel, Dick Clerkin is abroad for 6 months. I presume Hanners is playing with DCU
Still no McQuaid, Ronaghan, H McElroy, J McElroy.... can we afford to do without quality players like these?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: trueblue on January 04, 2007, 02:09:07 PM
gerard mc creesh is from mullaghbane

paudie mc creesh is from cullyhanna
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Quarterback on January 04, 2007, 02:33:33 PM
Hartes attitude is very intresting, it seems that not too many ppl are gonna tell him what he can and cant do..!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Slapdash on January 04, 2007, 02:48:08 PM
Fermanagh Squad (Revised from NKAB's list)

Ciaran McElroy, Declan McKeever, Paul McCusker, Dara McQuaid, Donal McAvinue, Shane Lyons, Shane O'Brien Chris Breen, Niall Tinney, Niall Bogue, Hugh Brady, Shane Goan, Paul Johnston, Raymond Johnston, Damien Kelly,  Shane McDermott, Barry Owens, Peter Sherry, Martin McGrath, Mark Murphy; Colm Bradley, Tom Brewster, Enda Ferris, Mark Little, Jonathan McGurn, Eamon Maguire, James Sherry, Tommy McElroy,

O'Neill you seem to completely ignore the benefits that the competition bring to the uni squads.  It was not that long ago that the likes of Phillip Jordan & the late Cormac McAnnallen prospered after winning a sigerson with QUB, and we all know the heights they reached.  There are other examples I'm sure.  Also Harte is placing psychological pressure on these 3 guys. Should they stay loyal to friends that they've played and trained with since October, or will they be risking their inter-county future if they do?  I'm sure he could get a 'scout' to watch these UUJ games or get a video.  Considering the McKenna Cup was resurrected only 5/6(?) years ago, were players not blooded in the NFL to see if they were championship material before this anyway?  IMO the NFL would be a better test of a players worth than the McKenna Cup, albeit the quality has improved recently.  Now what a lovely way to begin life on the board  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: cavanmaniac on January 04, 2007, 02:54:34 PM
O'Neill I don't really think most people are annoyed at Harte for wanting to select his own best team for this competition - it's a big year for Tyrone, he's keen to get started and has learned from last year as you say although that said, there's hardly a massive rebuilding job required for the red hands either. It's more his flagrant breaking ranks and going against the gentleman's agreement between the Ulster council and its counties, that no manager would make first call on University players, that's annoying people.

If the rest are complying and are happy to do so, Mickey should wind his neck in, stick to the agreement and stay in line with everyone else on this.
Title: Antrim Line up
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2007, 03:47:40 PM
Taken from below. Headquarters have moved Antrim into O'Byrne Cup ???

http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=16945

Saffrons start McGreevy for O'Byrne Cup opener

Thursday, January 4

Antrim have named their starting XV to play Down in the Gaelic Life-sponsored Dr McKenna Cup at Downpatrick on Sunday.

New Saffron County manager Jody Gormley has selected highly rated goalkeeper Sean McGreevy to start between the posts for the Section C clash, which throws in at 2pm.

The one-time All-Star nominee is the only man on the comeback trail though; O'Donovan Rossa forward Paul Close will also be making his competitive return in the Saffron jersey.

Intercounty hurler Gavin Bell has been given the nod for the footballers at centre back.
Gormley has opted to field a relatively experienced side with the majority of the team having already tasted championship football.

SF v Down: Sean McGreevy; Damien Gault, Colin Brady, L Higgins; Sean McVeigh, Gavin Bell, Niall Ward; Joe Quinn, Darrell Martin; Aiden Gallagher, Michael McCann, Eoin O'Neill; Paul Close, Ciaran Close, Michael Rea.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 04, 2007, 03:48:10 PM
agree with slapdash not only will the 3 lads be letting their mates down they could possibly jeoperdise their chance of a sigerson place.the competition will be very fierce for a starting position and this could work against them.harte needs to catch himself on.the lads no that with the strength of the tyrone panel(i would say close to fifty people could do a job) they may not get another chance or someone may shine in their absence
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 04, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
A real tough decision for the three Tyrone lads

Play for Tyrone and have the chance to win an Ulster or All Ireland or play for the uni and won the sigerson
 ??? ??? ???


Wonder what they will do?

They'll play for the uni because.... it will make them better players :D :D :D :D

Why dont they stop playing for the uni and prevent all that burnout. The only pull the uni has is its money offer to the students, thats it.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Quarterback on January 04, 2007, 04:43:19 PM
Id say uuj wont be too impressed with colms decision to play for the county...Given the was sean was looked after more than well by uuj.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fionntamhnach on January 04, 2007, 05:05:52 PM
Having known Boggs and Cavanagh with them coming through the Vocationals, they've been put in a real shitty position in all of this and is hardly fair on the lads involved. What does Mickey Harte intend to achieve in doing this?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: supersarsfields on January 04, 2007, 05:21:19 PM
To be honest i'm very surprised that mickey's doing this. And your right Bummer it's a bit tough on the players involved! Surely they would prob get more minutes on the pitch playing for the uni's than in the Tyrone panel were there will be even more rotation!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2007, 09:44:27 PM
Mickey has chosen 3 Tyrone players out of 16 who are playing for the Unis this weekend. Just 3 players he needs to see in action acclimatising to his system. Not a big ask, esp as they wouldn't be recognised as the top 3 Tyrone players at uni. 3 positions in dire need perhaps, before Dublin 3rd feb.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 05, 2007, 09:21:36 AM
Why not bring the PSNI into the tournament? They coul arrest and detain 15 county players (a la Mickey Harte) and have them play for the Queen.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 05, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
Mickey is pulling no punches here, so Tyrone men bear with him... has he let us down before, this panel is flexible so if you dont do the job you are out.  I believe he is giving these particular  guys a better chance of making the county squads rather than farming them out on loan to the universities.  He wants to see them, so that they can be included or not.  The Mc kenna cup has been revitalised by Mickey Harte, hes entitled to take it seriously.  For years the rest didnt- its great to see them catching up.  My prediction this year is that Tyrone will not win the competition but it could be the most important yet for bedding in new players.  Put your pension on a Tyrone Dublin AIF this year. 
Title: Derry Squad V Cavan
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2007, 10:43:59 AM
Derry manager Paddy Crozier has named three debutants in his side for Sunday’s McKenna Cup meeting with Cavan.

Kieran McIver, Aidan McAlynn and Raymond Wilkinson are given their first competitive starts and are joined in the side by established stars such as Barry Gillis, Paddy Bradley, Kevin McGuckin and Patsy Bradley.

Wilkinson is included at wing forward after impressing in Ballinderry’s recent Ulster club championship campaign, while another Ballinderry man, Conleth Gilligan, makes a return to inter-county action after a year-long absence. County hurler and former All-Ireland minor winner Ruairi Convery is named at left half forward.

Derry (SF v Cavan): B Gillis; M McGoldrick, K McGuckin, J Keenan; P Cartin, K McIver, A McAlynn; J Diver, Patsy Bradley; R Wilkinson, C Gilligan, R Convery; J Kelly, Paddy Bradley, A McCartney.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70654
Title: Donegal V UUJ
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
The Donegal team to play U.U.J in the Dr.McKenna Cup on Sunday 7th January in Ballyshannon has been named. Throw in @ 2.00pm

Ciaran Sharkey Dungloe
Peter Witherow St Michaels
Paddy Campbell Naomh Conaill
Frank McGlynn Glenfin
Eamon McGee Gaoth Dobhair
Barry Monaghan Four Masters
Barry Dunnion Four Masters
Joe Friel Clochaneely
Christy Toye St Michaels
Ryan Bradley Buncrana
Brian Roper Aodh Ruadh
Johnny McLoone Naomh Conaill
Kevin McMenamin Termon
Benny Byrne Four Masters
Adrian Sweeney Dungloe

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70653
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: MrC on January 05, 2007, 11:13:32 AM
Interesting selection by Brian McIver for Sunday's clash. A bit surprised to see Johnny McLoone to be honest, but am glad to see the like of Wappa, Witherow and Benny Byrne get their chance to shine. Also I think it's good to see big Joe Friel from Cloughaneely get a chance, he was immense for Cloughaneely this year.

As for the absentees: Paul Durkin, Karl Lacey and Michael Doherty are involved with Sligo IT; Brendan Boyle, Colm McFadden and Stephen McDermott are out injured while Neil Gallagher joins the casualty list - he has to get his tonsils out next week; and Neil McGee is involved with Gaoth Dobhair U21s

The likes of Brendan Devenney and Paddy McConnigley will also be unleashed on the McKenna Cup in the coming weeks.

Will be interested to see how the new faces perform and also how the shining lights from last year get on.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 05, 2007, 11:17:33 AM

whats happening with kevin cassidy this year mrc?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 05, 2007, 11:18:06 AM
Anyone with any more starting lineups?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: MrC on January 05, 2007, 11:23:12 AM

whats happening with kevin cassidy this year mrc?

Apologies, Cass should have been listed there with Devenney and McConnigley as a man who's making a return. Cass has been back training since before XMas from what I hear and hopefully can recapture his form of old. One of the best footballers around when on his day,

Also to get back is Conall Dunne who is out with a broken leg while the Thompsons, Tommy Donoghue, Mickey Hegarty, Stephen McHugh and Michael Boyle from last year still have to get a run.

We've lost James Gallagher, Martin Caulfield, Damien Diver and Ray Sweeney from last year to retirement. I'd say Stephen Cass would be on board as well but for his ban!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 05, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
Quote
Put your pension on a Tyrone Dublin AIF this year. 

So if they are drawn in the QFs or SFs your pension is up the Swanee?  ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: The Bottom Brick on January 05, 2007, 12:46:17 PM
Cavan wil beat Derry Sunday I think, looks like Derry have a weak team out... Any thoughts?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: The Bottom Brick on January 05, 2007, 12:47:44 PM
Cavan v Derry Sunday - any thoughts?

I think Cavan will win this, SDerry seem to have a weak team out...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2007, 04:00:30 PM
ODDs from Ladbrokes

McKenna Cup Group A
Armagh V St. Mary’s 1/2 6/1 15/8
Fermanagh V Monaghan 4/5 5/1 5/4

McKenna Cup Group B
Derry V Cavan 4/7 6/1 7/4
Tyrone V Queen’s 1/3 8/1 5/2

McKenna Cup Group C
Donegal V UUJ 1/2 6/1 15/8
Down V Antrim 1/3 8/1 5/2

£10 on all home teams would yield £113.14. Bet you someone draws to ruin the bet.
Title: Tyrone V QUB
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2007, 07:46:48 PM
Will be at Tyrone v QUB match tomorrow and will try and provide some kind of report for tomorrow night. Anybody do the same for the other matches or does anyone else want to do the TY V QUB report?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Stranworst on January 06, 2007, 10:29:36 PM
Antrim +3 handicap looks a good bet seeing Ross has sent most of the first 15ers away on an extended holiday! Gonna have to wait and see how the newbies get on!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 11:27:34 AM
Will be in Omagh meself later today.....................might just throw a tuppenceworth in
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Chompinatthebit on January 07, 2007, 04:02:45 PM
Tyrone beat Queens - any word on whom played well? Any of the new boys in the Tyrone forward line play well?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 07, 2007, 04:50:53 PM
Down and Antrim drew in wet,windy and mucky Pairc Ruisseal. Neither  team impressed with Antrim probably the better side.Quinn, Close and Brady showed their experience to steady a young team although Quinn was lucky to stay on the field after hitting Turley right in front of the referee. Down paraded a real team of rookies and there were some encouraging signs but don't book the Burlington yet.Stephen Kearney suffered a serious leg injury and was removed to hospital. A day for the fire !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Candyman on January 07, 2007, 05:04:08 PM
anyone at the armagh game who can give an opinion on the new breed??? :-\
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 05:08:42 PM
Poor conditions at Healy Park couldn't be blamed for what was at times the good, bad and ugly side of football. From the get go Queens no 12 (Charlie Vernon sticking to the big Joe tactic book) near decapitiated Hub and was fortunate not to see the line.

There was some good football played on both sides and despite a blistering first few minutes of the second half Queens kept some comnposure to make a stroing rally and reduce the deficit to 2 at one stage.

Tyrone keeper Curran was magnificent throughout shot stopping and his kickouts, bar 1 or 2, were excellent at finding men free. Could be find of the year as he wasnlt even in the original panel

Queens, despite playing well when they had the ball, seemed intent all game on fouling Tyrone as much as possible, without a terrible amount of sublty it must be said. how the ref missed some of the 'tackles' was beyond a joke. (He might have been from Derry right enough)

The sending off of O'Neill was a disgrace. First off Queens started a melee with about 10 players pushing and shoving - handbag stuff at best. Queens number 10, possibly aiming for a transfer to Chelsea, dropped to the ground after being pushed away by O'Neill and lay writhing clutching at his face. The ref was at the OTHER SIDE of the melee and had no clear view, neither did the linemans have much input and really he should have known better than to assume man on gound holding head = red card. Presumably this will rule SON out of the Dublin game. The incident happened right in front of where I was sitting and to be brutally honest O'Neill pushed him at best, there was no way he could even get his arm back for a swing to punch the lad.

Funny that the same ref saw fit not to take action against the Queens no3 who ran 40 yards to shoulder Cavanagh in the back while play was stopped.

In terms of performance - Joe McMahon needs to be the FB this year (where is he???), McGinley is not up to it. Penrose is poor, missing from between the posts 20 yards out in the first half is evidence enough of this.

Few new players stood out and some looked well out of thier depth (no 5 in particular continued to give the ball away all day long)

Work to be done. Was disappointed Daisy and Marlow didn't appear today.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Candyman on January 07, 2007, 05:16:13 PM
i think its unfair to think of Vernon as that type of player! he may well have put in a bad tackle but i'd imagine it was a case of bad timing rather than dirt (big joes book??) anyone who knows charlie, will know that he is a true sportsman/gentleman and this is not his style of play.....
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Chompinatthebit on January 07, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
Paul Marlowe is still injured is he not and wont be featuring in the McKenna Cup for Tyrone?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 07, 2007, 05:39:48 PM
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Joe McMahon needs to be the FB this year (where is he???),


Getting sent off for St Mary's
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: phpearse on January 07, 2007, 05:46:53 PM
Tyroneman it was actually Kevin McGourty who was the QUB number 12 who put in the head high tackle early on. Vernon was number 8. His only contribution to the game was to clap as ONeill was shown the red card. If the Armagh crowd think this lad will be a possible addition to their team then he did little to prove that today against a makeshift Tyrone team. The O'Neill red card was deserved. He had been fouled a few times as the play became scrappy. I think it was a late tackle by the QUB number 10 as O'Neill was surrounded that rilled O'Neill but he did strike out, allbeit a short sharp knock to the players chest. Vernons clapping doing nothing to add to his contribution to the afternoon. As for the game itself 2-14 was good scoring considering the conditions, which were truely awful.

Curran made some decent first half saves but was unconvincing under the high ball. Kickouts were well placed and he could offer a bit more variety other that the 'big hoof down the middle' offered by McConnell.

The full back line was Paul McGurk, McGinley and Carlin. Dermot Carlin had an excellent first half. McGurk and McGinley were so so with McGurk being subbed in the 2nd half for Mickey McGee. Half back line of Ricey, Hub and Martin Penrose was somewhat surprising, with Ricey being the liveliest of them all. Hub and Penrose both looking out of place and in Hubs case slightly unfit.

MF of Sean Cavanagh and Kelvin Hughes. Cavanagh had an excellent match and looks very fit so early in the season. Hughes looked a bit slow in possession but the game will help him.

The half forward line was the weakest line on the field with Chris Colhoun of Pomeroy, Colm Donnelly of Clonoe and Declan Treanor of Dungannon. All three are very inexperienced at this level but are excellent club players and while they did some good work they did lack the fast thinking required at this level. However they may come good yet as they are young.

FF line of Niall Gormley, ONeill and Mugsy. Gormely will be happy with his first game scoring 1-4 I think. Mugsy was taken of at half time and replaced by Aidan McCarron who again looked lively. O'Neill was quiet until taken out to the half forward line but then he got too involved and will unfortunately miss the Dublin game.

It was difficult to judge players given the conditions but curran and niall gormley did themselves no harm. I'm sure we'll see the likes of mcdermott, tommy mcguigan, and paul quinn all get some game time next week
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 07, 2007, 05:54:28 PM
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His only contribution to the game was to clap as ONeill was shown the red card

Imagine. Shockin behaviour altogether. Be even worse if he done it in a big game. Say like an All Ireland final?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 07, 2007, 06:02:51 PM
Tyroneman
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Poor conditions at Healy Park couldn't be blamed for what was at times the good, bad and ugly side of football. From the get go Queens no 12 (Charlie Vernon sticking to the big Joe tactic book) near decapitiated Hub and was fortunate not to see the line.

Phpearse
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Tyroneman it was actually Kevin McGourty who was the QUB number 12 who put in the head high tackle early on. Vernon was number 8.
:D
Imagine, a player who wasn't coached by Joe Kernan putting in a high tackle? I refuse to believe it!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 06:17:24 PM
Any word on the 'Poly 3' - Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul.  I take it they took no part, getting splinters on their arses from the bench, when they could have been playing a full match for UUJ (who could have been doing with them).  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 06:35:03 PM
O'Neill did not punch that fella, he shoved him at best - I was directly in front of the incident about 6/7 rows from edge and could see it clearly.

Stand corrected with Vernon - reason I thought he was no12 was cos a lad in the crowd screamed 'great work charlie vernon' as no12 fielded a high ball on his own in the 2nd half.

Who was the brave no3 for Queens who ran 30yrds to hit Cavanagh from behind?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: phpearse on January 07, 2007, 06:37:06 PM
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Who was the brave no3 for Queens who ran 30yrds to hit Cavanagh from behind?

Daniel McCartan
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 06:52:11 PM
Surprised he got either ball or man - he normally runs round like a headless chicken.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 07, 2007, 06:58:10 PM
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Any word on the 'Poly 3' - Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul.  I take it they took no part, getting splinters on their arses from the bench, when they could have been playing a full match for UUJ (who could have been doing with them).  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Boggs didna play anyhow...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 07:25:56 PM

i'd say its not the first time you've heard this, but Tyroneman you talk a lot of shite.

O'Neill was well marked all day by mccartan although the referee. could've afforded both sets of forwards handier frees. The sending off was well merited. the ref had no choice and o'neill knew it was coming. o'neill was fouled and got his free, pushing and shoving followed and 2 or 3 from each side got involved in handbags. as things were dying down o'neill floored gavin donaghy with the sweetest uppercut you ever saw. to say it was a dive or he was struck in the chest is just plain wrong. donaghy had to be helped from the field of play not to return and his eye was completely closed by the time he got into the stand.

now o'neill had plenty of grounds for complaint in terms of having to earn frees twice or three times, but then so had every forward on the pitch. for an intercounty player of his experience to strike out with the ref less that 10 yards away is stupidity personified, but then o'neill is no stranger to the red mist.

queens made a decent game of it with 6 or 7 starters including their 3 main scorers missing and their missed goal chances before half time could have made for a very different second half.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 07:30:31 PM
Welcome to the board Malone Aristrocrat - your report on some of the incidents of the game wouldn't be through a pair of 'Queen's' glasses?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 07:39:33 PM
undoubtedly, but o'neill struck donaghy a fierce blow and whatever colour your glasses, wishing it weren't so won't change the facts.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 07, 2007, 07:45:16 PM
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as things were dying down o'neill floored gavin donaghy with the sweetest uppercut you ever saw.

Is Donaghey from Claudy? If he is him and Stevie would be virtual neighbours....
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 07, 2007, 07:50:07 PM
O'Neill deserved to go. How many times is he going to react to these type of incidents and then get himself sent off. We had a at least 10 players out there today playing their 1st game for Tyrone and needed help from our more experienced players like O'Neill. When it happened i just thought to yself what an asshole you can be at times Stevie.    
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 07:51:11 PM
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undoubtedly, but o'neill struck donaghy a fierce blow and whatever colour your glasses, wishing it weren't so won't change the facts.

I couldn't give a f**k who hit who in a Queens/Tyrone game.  If you were on here long enough you would realise that.  I was commenting on the slant of your report which was decidedly from a Queens perspective.
Title: Ty V QUB
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 08:06:23 PM
Stephen O’Neill opened the scoring with a free. (0-1 to 0-0). Mugsy added a second point from wide on the left shortly after McGourty tackled Hub around the neck. A foul on S Cavanagh saw him convert the resulting free for a 0-3 to 0-0 lead. Paul Courtney and Kevin Hughes picked up yellows, Queens after several missed shooting chances eventually opened the scoring with a free from James McGovern following a foul on M O’Rourke. Then came Curran’s spectacular double save from blood sub Joe Ireland who was on for Charlie Vernon. Curran parried Ireland’s first shot back at him but he got up again to save the second effort. (Impressive). James McGovern made the score 0-2 to 0-3 with a good score. Niall Gormley replied with a good point for Tyrone. A foul on SON saw Mugsy make it 5-2 from the resultant free. Colm Donnelly who previously missed a chance made it 0-6 to 0-2. The half finished with another magnificent save from Curran who diverted a rasping shot from Niblock out for a 45. (Half-time 0-6 to 0-2 for Tyrone).

Aiden McCarron replaced Mugsy at the start of the second half. Tyrone got off to a quick start in the second half with 4 scores from Aiden McCarron, (Niall Gormley, Christy Colhoun after some great quick passing, and Sean Cavanagh. 0-10 to 0-2. Qub then enjoyed a good attacking spell with four points from Gavin Donaghy twice and Kevin Niblock and a long range effort from Aidan Carr. Niblock made it five and then six in a row for QUB to bring thee margin to 2 pts (0-10 to 0-8). Tyrone responded with a goal from Niall Gormley to effectively put an end to the competition (1-10 to 0-8). Mcgee replaced McGurk. Kelvin Hughes then got his name on the score sheet with a fisted point and Christy Colhoun extended Tyrone’s lead to 1-12 to 0-8. The game was becoming more niggly and after an earlier skirmish there followed another one following a foul on O’Neill. Stevie unfortunately made a striking movement at Gavin Donaghy (who performed the customary sack of potatoes) and to me the ref apologetically sent him off. It wasn’t a shocking blow by O’Neill but he was probably done for the intent. References to the referee’s Derry pedigree were heard above the resulting boos as O’Neill walked. (He’s out for next week’s Derry game and also it seems the clash with Dublin in Croke Park). QUB’s Paul Courtney was sent off minutes later for two yellows as the game drew to a conclusion. Tyrone scored two more points from A McCarron and a S Cavanagh free while Daniel McCartan replied for QUB. Tyrone finished the scoring with a goal from Colm Donnelly. Final Score: 2-14 to 0-9.

The UUJ three were all present with the Tyrone squad but were not called upon. The injured members (Dooher, Gormley and McGuigan) were also present in addition to Gerard Cavlan.
                                                                               
  Curran

                                                    Paul McGurk  C McGinley   Dermot Carlin

         Ricey    HUB Hughes   Martin Penrose

                                                                 S Cavanagh,  Kelvin Hughes

         Declan Treanor       Colm Donnelly      Christy Colhoun
                             Niall Gormley          O’Neill               Mugsy


Feargal Murphy
Hugh Gallagher Daniel McCartan Ryan Dillon
Mark Rooney Gerard O’Kane  Justin Crozier
Paul Courtney Charlie Vernon
Gavin Donaghy Aidan Carr Kevin McGourty
Michael Ward Kevin Niblock James McGovern   

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 08:16:36 PM
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i'd say its not the first time you've heard this, but Tyroneman you talk a lot of shite.

Interesting opening from a new member. Good to see the standard of manners at Queens remains as high as ever and a pleasure to meet you.

I take it from your latter posts you were on the sideline with the injured player? If so I apologise for my post.

Otherwise I stand by my viewpoint. From where I sat there was no uppercut, just a shove (and get yr facts straight - I never mentioned a push in the chest).

I also believe that unless Mike Tyson (vintage era) had been coaching SON there was some serious overacting on Donaghy's part.

I do agree that SON should know better than to get involved in ANY activity like that and learn from his past mistakes. Red Mist in the McKenna cup doesn't bode well when the knackers in the Championship get started.

Still, I'm sure your Malone / Queens insight will provide those of us who have been on the board slightly longer with some valuable lessons.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: chuck hughes on January 07, 2007, 08:25:53 PM
Any truth that Mc Gourty got sent off after game for verbal abuse and is looking at a possible 8 week ban?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 08:28:45 PM
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It will be interesting to see how the Ulster Council deals with this situation.

I would be more interested in O'Neills take on the situation, after all
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Mickey has chosen 3 Tyrone players out of 16 who are playing for the Unis this weekend. Just 3 players he needs to see in action acclimatising to his system.  O' Neill

Well?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
McKenna Cup is a 5 game series (hopefully), including training sessions. To play students against students would not be a clever idea for obvious reasons.

Unable to make the game. Regarding newcomers, who enhanced their reputation?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 08:37:23 PM
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Regarding newcomers, who enhanced their reputation?

Poor conditions made this game difficult to assess players. Having said this Curran with his saves and varied kick outs and Niall Gormley with his scoring did themselves no harm.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2007, 08:42:03 PM
Just as a matter of interest how many times is that now O'Neil has been straight red carded in his inter county career?
Title: Dr McKenna Cup results
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 08:43:21 PM
Dr McKenna Cup results


Section A
St Mary's 0-4 0-10 Armagh
Fermanagh 0-5 1-10 Monaghan

Section B
Derry 0-12 0-17 Cavan
Queen's University 0-9 2-14 Tyrone

Section C
Donegal 1-6 1-4 UUJ
Down 0-9 0-9 Antrim

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2007, 08:43:31 PM
I'd be very worried about Tyrone's discipline. Last year they were easily drawn into that type of shenanigans, forgetting that they're the better footballing team. Laois turned them over by riling them - and it worked wonders for Derry. Remember their one defeat in 2005? Remember the NFL defeat last year. I was hoping Mickey would've sorted that out.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2007, 08:55:26 PM
What were the admission prices for the games today?  I remember last year in the Armagh v Jordanstown game i was refused student prices
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
£7 for the Down/Antrim game to stand on a wet grassy bank.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 08:59:26 PM

I take it from your latter posts you were on the sideline with the injured player? If so I apologise for my post.

Otherwise I stand by my viewpoint. From where I sat there was no uppercut, just a shove (and get yr facts straight - I never mentioned a push in the chest).

I also believe that unless Mike Tyson (vintage era) had been coaching SON there was some serious overacting on Donaghy's part.

Still, I'm sure your Malone / Queens insight will provide those of us who have been on the board slightly longer with some valuable lessons.

It's ok Tyroneman, you can come on and aplogise after utv show it tomorrow night.

Interesting that you think having posted on this board for some predetermined length of time enhances your posting pedigree... there is no evdence of this in anything you've posted to date.

But you're probably right... donaghy probably had a razor blade and a bag of cosmetic blood under his jersey.

It'd be helpful if one of the credible tyrone posters could put tyroneman correct on the sending off incident before everyone sees it on tv.


by the way never kicked a ball... neither m o'rourke nor c o'reilly played with queens today
Title: Tyrone 2-14 Q.U.B. 0-9
Post by: Redhandfan on January 07, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
Terrible conditions at Healy Park today and I have to say that I felt a bit sorry for the newcomers who were trying to impress on the Tyrone side.  A couple of them - namely Jonathan Curran in goals and Niall Gormley at corner forward - did very well while the rest will want to do a bit better in their next outing.  Tyrone's team line-out contained a few surprises, the most notable of them the half back pairing of Hub Hughes in the centre and Martin Penrose on the wing.  I would expect Mickey Harte to make wholesale changes for the Derry game to give the other newcomers, who were on the bench today, their chance to impress.  

I suppose we shouldn't be too critical of the game today given the conditions and the fact that many of the players would have been a little ring rusty.  I have to say that Stevie O'Neill was foolish to react the way he did in the second half and cannot have any major complaints about being sent-off.  Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did.  Stevie appeared to strike the QUB player and, whatever about the remaining games in the McKenna Cup, he will be a huge miss for the opening NFL game against Dublin.  I have to agree with some previous posters that Armagh's big prospect Charlie Vernon was no big shake today.  He was in direct opposition to Sean Cavanagh (future brother-in-law?) and certainly came out second best.  Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.

Player Ratings
Jonathan Curran...A dream debut.  Three point blank saves and decent kick-outs (8.5)
Paul McGurk...Struggled today.  Was replaced in the second half by the more reliable Mickey McGee (5)
Cormac McGinley...Sound enough performance, although he did lack pace at times (7)
Dermot Carlin...Outstanding in the first half.  Quieter in the second (8)
Ryan McMenamin...Showed excellent leadership qualities.  Always in the action (8)
Kevin Hughes...An unusual role for Hub and he didn't always look comfortable (6)
Martin Penrose...Another mixed bag.  Good carrying the ball out of defence but poor marking at times (7)
Kelvin Hughes...A few nice touches but not involved enough in the game overall (6)
Sean Cavanagh...Easily the best midfield player on view.  Showed a good appetite (8.5)
Declan Treanor...Started off well and set up the second goal but was anonymous for long periods (6)
Colm Donnelly...Worked really hard but his shooting let him down on occasions. Worth another look (7)
Chris Colhoun...Tried hard and made some good runs.  Also made some errors and poor in front of goal (6)
Niall Gormley...Very impressive debut.  Always a threat and took some terrific scores (8.5)
Stephen O'Neill...Well marked but should have been awarded more frees.  His red card marred the win (6.5)
Owen Mulligan...Out of sorts today and was replaced at half-time by a much livelier Aidan McCarron (5)
Aidan McCarron...Scored with his first touch and did OK when he came on (7)
Michael McGee...Not on long enough to be rated.


Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 09:15:02 PM
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by the way never kicked a ball... neither m o'rourke nor c o'reilly played with queens today

Cheers malone. As the game went on i found it difficult to read the numbers on the shirts given the weather conditions. Was it Niblock who did the scoring and Was it Crozier who Curran saved twice from?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: imtommygunn on January 07, 2007, 09:24:56 PM
Who's Niall Gormley who did the scoring for Tyrone? What club is he from or what age group is he?

Haven't heard of him before. There's a Niall ??? from Donaghmore - it's not him is it?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 09:27:28 PM
Niall Gormley is aTrillick man Tommy. The Tyrone squad with their clubs is posted earlier on this thread - page 3.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 09:33:00 PM

I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2007, 09:53:52 PM

I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in

Yes that was it Ireland was a blood sub wearing Number 18 which was on the programme as Ciaran O'Reilly. I notice the BBC made the same mistake so at least I'm in exaulted company. I was reading Niblocks jersey as 15 in the mud instead of 14 which is what he was wearing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6239325.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 10:04:14 PM
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Interesting that you think having posted on this board for some predetermined length of time enhances your posting pedigree

Never claimed that - more a comment on yr quite ignorant start-off postings.

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there is no evdence of this in anything you've posted to date

havn't been on the board in earnest for a while - but glad to see yr a fan though, keeping track of my contributions ...keep reading
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Square Ball on January 07, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
Down v Antrim was £7
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 10:12:44 PM

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keeping track of my contributions ...keep reading

its more akin to brail
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 07, 2007, 10:31:30 PM
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2007, 12:56:13 AM
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final

Correct me if I'm wrong Gaoth Dobhair I thought you got revenge a few months later in Clones?  ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: J70 on January 08, 2007, 02:10:03 AM
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final

Correct me if I'm wrong Gaoth Dobhair I thought you got revenge a few months later in Clones?  ::)

The day Colm McFadden announced himself to the wider GAA public. Let's hope he finally builds on that this coming season.
Title: Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on January 08, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
A very wet day,a heavy and in places waterlogged pitch saw the opening game in Donegal's Mc Kenna Cup campaign of 2007.For the largest crowd to watch University opposition since the new look competition started 3 years ago - this New Years football was a damp squib.A moderate bunch of U-14's would have served up better fottball when compared to this.
We won by two points and eventually struggled to shake off a student side that was fit,organised and who played the better football in the opening quarter.In fact they were 1-1 up after 20 minutes before Donegal woke half comatose to level before half time.
There were 7 debutants (2 defenders,1 midfielder and 4 forwards) with the only experienced line of half backs,Monaghan,Dunnion and Eamon Mc Gee.Sweeney and Toye although named did,nt start and along with Devenney were'nt even on the bench.They were replaced by Rory K and Denis Boyle.
Yet again the endemic failing that is all Donegal football over the last 10 years appeared on cue i.e. the shapeless formation that develops when the team is put under pressure with the half forwards funnelling back into midfield resulting in no outlet for us when we do regain possession.Mc Iver has a year of stewardship and should have this major problem sorted by now.
A vast improvement will be needed to come out of Casement with both points.

Positives Brian Roper,Wappa Mc Menamin and Michael Murphy

Ciaran Sharkey 6.0 Batted out high ball to FF who fisted to net in first 15 minutes.Not physically imposing but pulled off a double save late in first half to somewhat redeem his earlier error.

Peter Witherow 6.0 Started shakily but cleared up a lot of ball as game wore on.Still fairly light for a corner back.

Paddy Campbell 6.5 Slow at outset giving time and space to the FF but lorded the full back line in second half.

Frank Mc Glynn 6.5 Better on the wing but can still do a job in the corner however unlikely this season to snatch Karlo's or Neil Mc Gee's positions.

Eamon Mc Gee 6.5 Always can appear a little nonvhalant as if half distracted but is deceptively strong and afew more games possibly at centre back to showcase his passing ability would be interesting

Barry Monaghan 6.0 solid but cannot take a quick free to save his life and too often gets caught faffing around when a 'driver her down the field' option is required.

Barry Dunnion 6.5 Brave as the proverbial and should improve from his great displays last season.Missed a couple of point chance in both halves.

Joe Friel 6.5 Fetched a couple of good ones and is a skilled footballer but needs to bulk up to play with the big boys in the league.Should be played throughout the remaining Mc Kenna Cup games to see if he can be a real alternnative to Boyler.

Rory Kavanagh 6.0 Caught soloing thru midfield on too many occasions when the quick long ball into the FF line was asked for.

Ryan Bradley 6.0 Did,nt do himself any favours and after a promising debut season in 2005 only featured once last year.Needs to get back to that aggressive straight line running he showed against Mayo in the league.However needs to be given every chance.

Brian Roper 8.0 MOTM and kicked final point to largest cheer of the day.The oldest player on the pitch and by my reckoning must be close to Matt Gallaghers all time appearance record of 125.Played with his customary spirit and displayed a sharpness and turn of speed that turned back the clock for the Rock of Corker.Sliced thru the heart of the UUJ defence laying off unselfishly for the goal.

Johnny Mc Loone 6.0 Kicked too many balls weakly into the keepers hands but fired home the goal well.

Kevin Mc Menamin 7.5 Small,quick and skill redolent of the wee man and showed constanmtly for ball thruout the game.Kicked 3 points and could possibly cause a corner back trouble on a harder sod.Promising and confident debut.

Benny Byrne 6.0 Desperately looking for a FF and resembles Paddy Mc Nulty in style.Needs to improve dramitically to retain a panel place for the league.

Denis Boyle 6.0 Again one that let the game slip by and needs to be given another chance.

Subs: Kevin Cassidy 6.5 Fielded well but was confused as to role as game descended into a schoolyard kickaround in the closing minutes.

Michael Murphy 7.0 Potential there to be a colossal footballer for Donegal but caution needs to be exercised in that he is still a minor and he is used sparingly in the Senior set up for now.Did not look phased and kicked a fine 45.

Neil Mc Gee and Michael Mc Elhinney not on long enough to rate

Referee Martin Higgins was as farcical as ever and did'nt have the wit to allow for the conditions.His interpretation of the pick up off the ground was infuriating.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 08, 2007, 10:37:35 AM
I agree with most of what has been said already except must give credit to the Gatemen at Omagh.  Was on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles.  After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back.  It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch.  We often can be very critical.  On to the game.  I genuinely wouldnt lose too much sleep over the defence with Gormley Harte and Jordan all to come back and more talent on the bench it will be Tyrones strongest unit this year.  I honestly thought bar Mulligan, most Tyrone players impressed if at times in fits and starts.  I thought Kelvin debuted well - was a major link man on a day unfit for clean catching, in the second half set up 1 - 2,  scored his trademark point and covered end to end all game bar a quiet last 15 in the first half, at least 3 times was behind the defence but the ball wasnt passed in to him, as for Colqhoun, Donnelly and in particular Gormley, i was thrilled with these guys. I like Mc carron the sub, Cavanagh was sublime, Mc Menamin strong, aome of his passing poor, I enjoyed hubs performance and looks keener already than he was last year.  Scoreline flatterd Tyrone in the end, but theres a lot more positives than negatives in this game.  Mugsy we dont need to see until August and O Neill'sl loss is pprobably enough to cost us the 2 points V the Dubs.  Finally the best Anthem singer in Ireland is from Omagh.. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2007, 10:56:59 AM
redhandfan
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Was on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles.  After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back.  It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch

Anybody lend me a pair of crutches for next week?
Title: Re: Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4
Post by: MrC on January 08, 2007, 10:57:38 AM

There were 7 debutants (2 defenders,1 midfielder and 4 forwards)

8 debutants yesterday, six of which were in the starting lineup - Goalkeeper Ciaran Sharkey, corner back Peter Witherow, half-forward Johnny McLoone and the entire full-forward line of Wappa, Benny Byrne and Denis Boyle. Substitutes McElhinney and Murphy were also making their first appearances at senior level bringing the total to eight.

Was impressed with Wappa yesterday and Brian Roper was immense! Wee Ropes went through a mountain of work and led what was an inexperienced attack by example. Thought Ciaran Sharkey recovered well after his early mishap while Cassidy steadied the ship when he came on.

Frank McGlynn was grand in the left corner, while young Witherow was okay on the otherside. However, Neil McGee and Karl Lacey will certainly not be quaking in their boots.

Conditions were dreadful in Ballyshannon yesterday and the referee was a disaster.

I see from this morning's Donegal News that McIver wants the Antrim game on Saturday night.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 08, 2007, 06:26:32 PM
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Was on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles.  After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back.  It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch.

Call me cynical but I don't think this was anything to do with being a nice touch.  It is more to do with insurance as lets say the guy on crutches slips and falls - if he has paid in he can claim, if he hasn't paid in apparently he can't claim.  I might be wrong on this one but I have heard this said before.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: hardstation on January 08, 2007, 07:08:26 PM
God I must get rid of my 'John 3:7' sign and get myself a pair of crutches.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 09, 2007, 11:41:57 AM
Agh Cloc Mor ye cynical auld fecker - ;) Ill take the less cynical viewpoint  - how could they have proved that I didnt pay in anyway if i was a claimant?
As for the Girl who sings in Omagh, I would love to hear her sing On All Ireland final day,  She would lift the roof of Croke park.  As for tyrone Im happy that when the forward line is sorted out we will be a force to be reckoned with again.  I am very excited about this year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 09, 2007, 05:59:30 PM
RHF, only saying it as I believe it.  I way be wrong and feel free to correct me if I am.  Not big on insurance claims or getting into matches for free, for that matter.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 09, 2007, 08:57:07 PM
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Was on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles.  After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back.  It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch.
Call me cynical but I don't think this was anything to do with being a nice touch.  It is more to do with insurance as lets say the guy on crutches slips and falls - if he has paid in he can claim, if he hasn't paid in apparently he can't claim.  I might be wrong on this one but I have heard this said before.
I might be wrong but if you are on the premises you are owed a "duty of care" regardless if you paid or not. Children don't pay in but obviously are owed a similar duty of care. I'm think it appears like a benevolent gesture redhandfan. Maybe following all the McGuigan controversy the Ulster Council have reviewed their admissions policy - but then why would they? REPEAT: Could anyone lend me a pair of crutches for Sunday?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 09, 2007, 09:45:41 PM
Cavan shotstopper makes comeback

Tuesday, January 9

James Reilly will make his return to the Cavan Senior football panel when the Breffni Blues hold a training session on Tuesday night.

It had been reported that Reilly, a former All-Star nominee between the sticks, had decided to take a year away from the intercounty fold in 2007.

However, those reports have proved unfounded with the 24-year-old set to make his comeback in Saturday evening’s floodlit Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B clash with Queens University Belfast at Kingspan Breffni Park (throw-in 6.30pm).

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Title: Re: Tyrone 2-14 Q.U.B. 0-9
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 10, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did.  

 Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.

Given the paranoia dripping from that post and that you fancy yourself as a well known quiz buff, I will give you the opportunity to redeem yourself by posing two simple questions.

1. The referee in question has played for three clubs, name them. (Hint ask Slim Shady about the first one)

2. Name the 'Derry' club that the referee is currently affliated to and that club's somewhat unique geographical location.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 10, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
who was the Ref?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 10, 2007, 12:25:03 PM
Chicken McErlane.  Played against him a few times myself on the right side of the Bann.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 10, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
wired to the moon!!  :D ;D

haven't had the pleasure of seeing him in action as a ref but Chicken was a 'character' while playing....for want of a better word!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2007, 09:46:09 PM
Gallagher switch sealed
 
Rory Gallagher
10 January 2007
Cavan’s football cause has received a timely fillip with the news that former Fermanagh ace Rory Gallagher’s transfer to the Breffni County has been completed.
Gallagher’s switch was rubber stamped yesterday (Tuesday) which makes him eligible to play against Queens University Belfast in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Kingspan/Breffni Park on Saturday evening (6.30pm) next.
The 28 year old has been playing his club football with St. Brigid’s in Dublin but it is likely that he will seek to transfer to a club in his adopted Cavan.
Confirming the transfer, Cavan boss Donal Keoghan welcomed the move.
"Rory Gallagher is officially a Cavan player from today (Tuesday)," said Keoghan.
"He’s available for selection. He’ll be an asset to us."

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70861
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2007, 09:53:09 PM
Crozier not happy with McKenna Cup rule09 January 2007

Derry football boss Paddy Crozier says the rule that allows universities have first call on county players has left one of his goalkeepers in a state of "limbo".

Glenullin clubman Eoin McNicholl - a student at UUJ - travelled with the Derry squad to Celtic Park to face Cavan last Sunday but ended up not getting a game with either his college or county because McNicholl had been named on the Jordanstown panel he was precluded from playing with the Oak Leafers.
"We were under the impression that he was involved with us, but when we named him in our panel the Ulster Council told us that he had already been named in the Jordanstown panel so we couldn’t use him," claimed Derry boss Crozier.
"It’s now left that the fella isn’t fit to play football in the McKenna Cup. We wanted to see him but he can’t be involved.
"He’s not playing for Jordanstown and he’s not playing for Derry so he’s in limbo."

It's not just Mickey who's struggling with this?

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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: J70 on January 10, 2007, 09:58:41 PM
If Gallagher lives in Cavan, why the hell is he not playing for his native county, the border of which is around 15 minutes drive from Cavan Town? Its one thing playing for another county if you live way down the country, but how can you turn out for your next-door neighbour from the same province?  ???

Must have been some row!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ExiledGael on January 10, 2007, 10:17:45 PM
Gallagher is a total t**ser and any other county is welcome to the p***k. He is hugely talented and no doubt will put in one or two brilliant individual performances that will make people talk, but in the long-term i'm convinced Cavan football will suffer as a result of this.
Fermanagh football undoubtedly suffered as a result of him and his ego
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2007, 10:45:26 PM
supposedly Gallagher is working in Shercock in East Cavan....would be a fair journey down to Fermanagh to train...but nothing compared to what you hear of other players based in Dublin do many  times during the week....
Ah well hes more than welcome...i hope he will prove to be a big asset.
Title: FAO Tyroneman
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 11, 2007, 10:27:58 AM

Just wondering if you'd revised your opinion on the o'neill sending off?



never kickt a ball:

I don't think anyone is "struggling" with any part of the mckenna cup except the three poly students who have been emotionally blackmailed to sit in the stand for tyrone instead of playing football with their tech.
Title: Re: FAO Tyroneman
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2007, 12:46:59 PM
never kickt a ball:
I don't think anyone is "struggling" with any part of the mckenna cup except the three poly students who have been emotionally blackmailed to sit in the stand for tyrone instead of playing football with their tech.

Don't forget Aristo there is also a St Mary's student on the Tyrone Panel. With regards to this situation I remember when the Colleges first entered two/three years ago and Tyrone played Donegal in the final Mickey Harte was able to call on Sean Cavanagh and maybe a few other players (I can't remember their names) to play for Tyrone after they had played in earlier rounds for their Colleges. I assume this is still available to the Counties if they progress in the competition and the Colleges don't?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: thebuzz on January 11, 2007, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 07, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
'Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did. 

 Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.'

Quote from: Saffron Sam
'Given the paranoia dripping from that post and that you fancy yourself as a well known quiz buff, I will give you the opportunity to redeem yourself by posing two simple questions.

1. The referee in question has played for three clubs, name them. (Hint ask Slim Shady about the first one)

2. Name the 'Derry' club that the referee is currently affliated to and that club's somewhat unique geographical location. '


Due to the fact that Chicken has played with Slim Shady I presume he is from Antrim and not actually Derry. I know he went to school in Maghera and is the current PRO for Ballinderry but something in the back of my mind tells me he is definitely a Lough Shore man of the Antrim variety.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 11, 2007, 02:01:14 PM
What feckin age do you think i am?! i didnt play with Chicken McErlane, he did play for Cargin back in the day though.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2007, 08:55:35 PM
Down bosses make three changes to panel

Thursday, January 11

Down bosses Ross Carr and DJ Kane have made three changes to their Senior football panel ahead of Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash with UUJ in Burren.

Under the Ulster competition's new regulations managers are allowed name a 25 man panel, plus five more names that can be changed for each of the three section games.

Mourne County hurlers Brendan McGourty of Ballycran and Ballygalget's Gareth 'Magic' Johnson have both retained their places for the Section C tie with University of Ulster Jordanstown.

St Michael's Neal Sweeny, Joe Doran of Loughisland and Saval's Daniel Hughes have been drafted in for Sunday's game with Castlewellan's Kevin Duffin, Saval midfielder Peter Turley and his namesake of the Downpatrick club are the players to make way.

Down drew 0-9 apiece with Antrim last weekend in their McKenna Cup opener and will be looking for an improved performance against UUJ (throw-in 2pm).

DOWN PANEL - Bernard Connell (Drumgath), Aidan Burns (Castlewellan), Adrian Carville (Bryansford), Martin Cole (Rostrevor), Darren Cunningham (Saval), Barry Doran (Longstone), Kevin Gracey (Downpatrick), Conor Gribben (Bryansford), Eoin Henry (Warrenpoint), Stephen Kearney (Mitchels), Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks), Jack Lynch (Drumgath), Padraig Matthews (Clonduff), Ruairi McArdle (Castlewellan), Martin McClean (Kilcoo), Michael McVeigh (Castlewellan), Colin McCrickard (Liatroim), Brendan McGourty (Ballycran), Fintan McGreevy (Castlewellan), Kevin McGuigan (Shamrocks), Colm Murtagh (Glenn), Brendan Rodgers (Mayobridge), Brian Sweeney (St Michaels), Peter Telford (Downpatrick), Stephen Toner (Bryansford), Neal Sweeny (St Michaels), Joe Doran (Loughisland), Declan Rooney (Burren), Daniel Hughes (Saval), Gareth Johnson (Ballygalget).


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See in today's Irish news supporters were complaining about the shortage of programmes at McKenna Cup games. £7 to get in, a drenching at some games and no programme. In addition it was thought given all the new players on the panel that the players clubs should also be mentioned.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2007, 09:02:01 PM

I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in

Yes that was it Ireland was a blood sub wearing Number 18 which was on the programme as Ciaran O'Reilly. I notice the BBC made the same mistake so at least I'm in exaulted company.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6239325.stm

Well Aristo it's now Thursday and I haven't once read a report that mentions Jonathan Curran's save from Joe Ireland. Every report in every paper and website refers to (Fermanagh star) Ciaran O'Reilly taking the shot. The acid test will be tomorrow in Gaelic life. Will it mention Joe Ireland or Ciaran O'Reilly as taking the double shots. If they say it's Ciaran O'Rielly then maybe they don't read this Discussion Board or worse maybe they don't believe us.  ???

Also if anyone's interested K Kelly has a detailed report of the match on the following link:
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=277
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Red Nose Red Hand on January 11, 2007, 10:38:31 PM
Anyone see the Harte interview on BBC this evening? Thomas Kane gave hime an easy ride - didn't ask him the obvious question - you know there's a rule which states that universities have first call on the players, so why do you choose to ignore the rule? Seems like it was all planned to project the Harte view and not challenge him in any way.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 12, 2007, 10:02:30 AM
Cassidy back in Donegal line-up
Kevin Cassidy is back in the Donegal starting line-up for Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash against Antrim.
Cassidy came on as a sub against UUJ last weekend but he will be making his first start since opting out of last year's championship squad. He refused to return to the squad after being dropped for disciplinary reasons earlier in the year. Christy Toye returns to a much-changed Donegal side which also sees Michael Boyle getting the goalkeeping jersey. Youngster Kevin McMenamin starts in the full-forward line after impressing in last weekend's win over Jordanstown. Cassidy has been selected at midfield alongside Joe Friel. Other changes see Colm McCarron replacing Frank McGlynn at left full-back while Kilcar's Noel Hegarty takes over from Barry Monaghan in the half-back line.

Donegal Team:

M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6254883.stm

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on January 12, 2007, 10:07:18 AM
Totally agree RNRH,
  Mickey Harte flexes his muscles.... At worst it's three games, at best it's 5! What about the 3 students he had sittin on the bench? What about the fact the McKenna cup was virtually unheard of a few years back and teams still managed to build and win AIs? Mickey Harte seems to think he has an authority on GAA in Ulster. He just get of his high horse and let the lads play for their respective colleges as that's a big accolade for any young fella. I was at UUJ myself at the competition there for places was fierce,so gettin your spot on the University team was a good accolade.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 12, 2007, 10:24:50 AM

I normally have a healthy respect for harte's views on all things gaa. he normally thinks things through pretty well and offers useful insights. but on this occasion he's being an ass. the mckenna cup is a vibrant early season competition. it alows counties to get a good look at squad players in a competitive environment and allows colleges to prepare in ernest for the more presssing sigerson cup. however, for the competition to remain competitive, the unis must be full strength or the games will become a farce. i had given harte the benefit of the doubt that these were 3 players he absolutely had to get a look at until i heard he left them sitting in the stand. that above anything else tells me he's trying to show who's boss and reflects poorly on the man.

the ulster council should come down hard on tyrone for this. the tyrone county board deserve a severe dressing down for sitting on their hands and alowing their manager to treat the tournament with such disrespect. if all county managers were to adopt this policy the unis would withdraw and the tournament will go back to what it was.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 12, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
Did McIver get Sundays match changed to Saturday evening????  ???
Title: Antrim v Donegal
Post by: aontroim on January 12, 2007, 01:12:55 PM
1. John Finucane
2. Damien Gault
3. Colin Brady
4. Lawrence Higgins
5. Sean McVeigh
6. Gavin Bell
7. Niall Ward
8. Joe Quinn
9. Darrel Martin
10. Aodhan Gallagher
11. Michael McCann
12. Chris Lynch
13. Ciaran Close (Capt.)
14. Kevin Brady
15. Michael Rea

Gaoth - match is still on Sunday as there wasnt enough time to get approval for official use of floodlighting - they are planning their first floodlit game v Meath in the NFL.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2007, 01:25:20 PM
Cassidy back in Donegal line-up
Kevin Cassidy is back in the Donegal starting line-up for Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash against Antrim.
Cassidy came on as a sub against UUJ last weekend but he will be making his first start since opting out of last year's championship squad. He refused to return to the squad after being dropped for disciplinary reasons earlier in the year. Christy Toye returns to a much-changed Donegal side which also sees Michael Boyle getting the goalkeeping jersey. Youngster Kevin McMenamin starts in the full-forward line after impressing in last weekend's win over Jordanstown. Cassidy has been selected at midfield alongside Joe Friel. Other changes see Colm McCarron replacing Frank McGlynn at left full-back while Kilcar's Noel Hegarty takes over from Barry Monaghan in the half-back line.

Donegal Team:

M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6254883.stm



Looks like McIver's thinking about using Cassidy alongside Neil Gallagher later in the year. We can't say he's not giving the young lads a chance, that's for sure! It'll be interesting to see the panel he uses for the league.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2007, 01:14:22 AM
Down name team to face UUJ
Friday, January 12
Down have named their team to face UUJ in Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash in Burren (throw-in 2pm).
The Mourne County drew 0-9 apiece with Antrim last weekend in their McKenna Cup opener and will be looking for an improved performance against the college side.
Down dual star Brendan McGourty, of Ballycran, has not managed to retain his place for the Section C tie with University of Ulster Jordanstown, despite putting in a decent performance against the Saffron County last time out.

SF v UUJ: B Connell; A Burns, A Carville, M Cole; D Cunningham, B Doran, K Gracey; C Gribben, E Henry; S Kearney, B Loughran, J Lynch; P Matthews, R McArdle, M McClean.

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Title: Saffrons opt for experienced starting XV
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2007, 01:16:13 AM
Saffrons opt for experienced starting XV

Friday, January 12

New Antrim manager Jody Gormley has made three changes to his starting XV ahead of Sunday’s Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal at Casement Park.
Former All-Star nominee Sean McGreevy drops to the bench with John Finucane taking up residence between the sticks.
Gormley has opted to leave his defence and midfield, which started the 0-9 apiece draw with Down last weekend, unchanged.
Chris Lynch has been selected at left wing forward with Eoin O’Neill the man to make way, while Kevin Brady, in at full forward, will lead the attack at the expense of O'Donovan Rossa’s Paul Close.
The only other change is a positional one with skipper Ciaran Close relocated from number 14 to right wing forward.
Intercounty hurler Gavin Bell has been given the nod to continue for the Saffron County footballers at centre back.
Gormley has again opted to field a relatively experienced side with the majority of the team having already tasted championship football.

Antrim Team: J Finucane; D Gault, C Brady, L Higgins; S McVeigh, G Bell, N Ward; J Quinn, D Martin; A Gallagher, M McCann, C Lynch; C Close (capt), K Brady, M Rea.

Donegal Team: M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney

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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2007, 01:23:50 AM
What's the odds on: Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan and UUJ? All to win?
Title: Cavan beat QUB
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
Cavan beat QUB tonight in Breffni by two points. 1-13 to 1-11
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 13, 2007, 08:13:35 PM
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SF v UUJ: B Connell; A Burns, A Carville, M Cole; D Cunningham, B Doran, K Gracey; C Gribben, E Henry; S Kearney, B Loughran, J Lynch; P Matthews, R McArdle, M McClean.

Don't hold much hope for this side with so many guys played out of position - experimental it surely is.  There is no way possible the team will line out like this.  Is this team for real?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 13, 2007, 08:27:20 PM
Cavan beat QUB tonight in Breffni by two points. 1-13 to 1-11

I expected Cavan to win this game much more comfortably.  QUB must have improved a hell of a lot from last week's drubbing at the hands of Tyrone.  Or, perhaps, Cavan were given too much credit for their opening round victory over Derry.  This evening's conditions could not have helped either team's cause.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: DownFanatic on January 13, 2007, 08:49:07 PM
That Down starting 15 cant be accurate. For a start Kearney and McArdle are injured. It looks like the names are going in alphabetical order aswell. Definitely not the starting 15.
If I were Ross Carr tomorrow id be putting a team out with a lineup something like this:

1. Bernard Connell (Drumgath)
2. Martin Cole (Rostrevor)
3. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
4. Paudie Matthews (Clonduff)
5. Barry Doran (Longstone)
6. Kevin Gracey (Downpatrick)
7. Brendan Rogers (Mayobridge)
8. Adrian Carville (Bryansford)
9. Jackie Lynch (Drumgath)
10. Brendan McGourty (Ballycran)
11. Peter Telford (Downpatrick)
12. Fintan McGreevey (Castlewellan)
13. Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks)
14. Gareth Johnson (Ballygalget)
15. Danny Hughes (Saval)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tyroneman on January 13, 2007, 09:12:01 PM
Gavin Donaghy sent off for Queens - straight red.............sure they're all angels are they not?

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 13, 2007, 09:16:37 PM
From BBC NI:

Cavan 1-13 1-11 Queen's 
 
Debutant Rory Gallagher hit a late point in Cavan's victory over Queen's in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
Gerald Pearson hit seven Cavan points although he was replaced in the closing stages by ex-Fermanagh star Gallagher.

Cavan led 0-8 to 0-6 at the break and Dermot McCabe's penalty then helped extend their lead to 1-11 to 0-9.

Eoin McCartan's goal helped QUB draw level but Cavan hit the final two points. QUB's Gavin Donaghy got a straight red card just after half-time.

Derry county player Donaghy was given his marching orders after an apparent clash with Cavan star McCabe.

McCabe's penalty came after Mark McKeever had been hauled down in the parallelogram.

Four of Pearson's seven points came from play while Queen's top scorer was Fermanagh county forward Ciaran O'Reilly who hit four points.

Cavan defeated Derry in their McKenna Cup opener last Sunday and they take on Tyrone in their final group game next weekend.

 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2007, 09:23:40 PM
Mmmm, Gavin Donaghy  - the new Johnny McBride.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 13, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Doubt you lads want to hear much about Cavan so
For Queens.....
Daniel McCartan got a fair roasting when McCabe switched in on him....
Gerard O Kane was replaced in the first half, he must have been injured because hes one of Queens key men.....
Charlie Vernon had a good tussle with Nicolas Walsh in the middle of the field....
Kevin McGourty moved to Midfield after about 10/15 minutes was energetic and sharp and sprayed the ball around a bit.
Up front is were the best Queens players were in my opinion...
Charlie Kielt kicked over 3 lovely points from play in the first half....
Eoin McCartan was very sharp as well....
didnt notice Ciaran O Reily as much,some of those 4 points must have been from frees.....
i expected much more from Donaghy and Kevin Niblock.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 13, 2007, 11:42:29 PM
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That Down starting 15 cant be accurate. For a start Kearney and McArdle are injured. It looks like the names are going in alphabetical order aswell. Definitely not the starting 15.

Has Ross struck on an ingenious way of picking his team?  Take all the guys on you panel and name them alphabetically to form a team.  It will be interesting to see the actual team that plays in comparison with the team that has been named.  There will be comparisons with POR if the two do not match.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 01:57:16 PM
Harsh words from Mickey Harte on TG4 before the Derry/Tryone game where he stated that if the issues with Universities being involved continued to cause problems then the competition would be better off without them.  Just who does he think he is?  I used to respect this man - now I think he's nothing but a jumped up p***k?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Jack Dempsey on January 14, 2007, 02:06:28 PM
State of Owen Mulligan, looks like an absolute kn**ker. Shouldnt be allowed play looking like that.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
Love the 'Mulligan Mullet' alright.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 02:41:31 PM
Tyrone 1.11 - 0.3 Derry

Tyrone looking very impressive.  Moving the ball well and tight in defence.  Derry look like very poor and disinterested.  Could get worse in the second half.  Mulligan - get to the barbers (or probably hairdressers in his case).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 14, 2007, 02:43:04 PM
Half-time at Davitt Park:

Armagh 0-8 Fermanagh 0-2


Burren:

Down 0-5 UUJ 0-7


Latest at Casement:

Antrim 0-5 Donegal 0-6
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 14, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
Will there be the first video evidence of 07, after Eoghain Bradley dropped the two knees down onto the back of the knee of Tyrone's Brendan Boggs?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Square Ball on January 14, 2007, 02:58:02 PM
State of Owen Mulligan, looks like an absolute kn**ker. Shouldnt be allowed play looking like that.

Thons terrible, looks like a outcast from the Thompson Twins or something like that
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 03:01:29 PM
UUJ 0.12 - 0.5 Down   Latest score
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 14, 2007, 03:18:28 PM
results

Armagh 0-9 Fermanagh 1-5 (Maguire scored goal)

Donegal 0-9 Antrim 0-8

UUJ 1-19 Down 1-06
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: DownFanatic on January 14, 2007, 03:28:26 PM
Down 1-07  Jordanstown Mucksavages 1-15 at the moment
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 03:33:24 PM
UUJ 1.19 - 1.6 Down - Picking teams alphabetically doesn't work obviously.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 14, 2007, 03:44:21 PM
Did Down have a point taken off them ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 03:54:37 PM
Not sure.  I wasn't at the match but that is the score I received.  Unless you know something different.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 14, 2007, 04:12:50 PM
No, wasn't there but your score tallies with BBC. Not a lot of odds mind you. Still, RC and DJ are right.Scunder,mind you.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 14, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
harte is right - why shouldn't he allowed pick his own players - the universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's. We have to put with pox like UCD in the dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2007, 05:42:18 PM
What's the odds on: Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan and UUJ? All to win?

17.4/1 or £174 for  £10.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2007, 05:52:10 PM
Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry 

Tyrone's first-half blitz enabled them to comfortably defeat Derry in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Omagh.
Red Hand boss Mickey Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul in the game, defying an Ulster Council directive.
Derry led 0-2 to 0-1 but Tyrone hit 10 unanswered points before Cathal McCarron's goal just before the break.
The Oak Leafers produced a mini-revival after the break but Tyrone were never in danger and won pulling up.
Early points from the Bradley brothers, Paddy and Eoin, gave Derry a promising start, but Tyrone were soon into their stride.
Midfielder Mickey Murphy hit three points, with Tommy McGuigan, Damien McDermott, Paul Rouse, Davy Harte and Colm Cavanagh also getting their names on the scoresheet.
Newcomers Damien McDermott and Cathal McCarron were also on target, and while Paddy Bradley pulled back a Derry point late in the half, but by that stage Tyrone had already racked up 11 scores.
The Red Hands hit the visitors with another blow in stoppage time when McCarron grabbed his goal from a rebound after Derry goalkeeper Shane O'Kane had failed to hold his initial shot.
Derry narrowed the gap with scores from Paddy and Eoin Bradley and Conleth Gilligan in the third quarter but McCarron's accuracy from frees kept Tyrone comfortably in front.

Tyrone scorers: C McCarron 1-3 (3 frees), M Murphy 0-3, T McGuigan, D McDermott 0-2 each, C Cavanagh, O Mulligan, D Harte, D Carlin, P Rouse (free) 0-1 each.

Derry scorers: Paddy Bradley 0-5 (2 frees), E Bradley 0-2, C Gilligan, R McElhone 0-1 each.

Tyrone: P McConnell, D McCaul, C McGinley, P Marlow, D Harte, D Carlin, B Boggs, M Murphy, S Cavanagh, T McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh, C McCarron, P Rouse, D McDermott. Subs: R Mellon for S Cavanagh, E McGinley for Murphy, N Gormley for McDermott, M Penrose for Harte.

Derry: S O'Kane, K McGuckin, K McCann, J Keenan, A McAlynn, F Doherty, L Hinphey, Patsy Bradley, J Conway, R McElhone, A McCartney, C Moran, C Gilligan, Paddy Bradley, E Bradley. Subs; K McCloy for Hinphey, P O'Hea for McAlynn, J Kelly for Moran, Paul Bradley for McCartan

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Results

Section A
Armagh 0-9 1-5 Fermanagh
Monaghan 2-16 0-11 St Mary's

Section B
Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry
Cavan 1-13 1-11 Queens

Section C
UUJ 1-19 1-6 Down
Antrim 0-8 0-9 Donegal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6261225.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Donagh on January 14, 2007, 05:52:44 PM
Mickey’s obviously aiming for a glorious three in a row.

Seriously though it’s no good everyone paying lip service to the burnout issue and then backing Harte’s ridiculous stance on this matter. At present the university students are expected to be out training with the county and uni teams at least three times a week on top of individual work, weights and study for exams at the same time – add on under 21 and freshers teams and the fact that they might not even be involved when the panels are cut back to 30 for the league and the situation is just crazy for the most talented.

Best to let them play for the university and if the likes of Harte feel’s so hard done by maybe he could give a few club players a chance and have a look at the uni players in the league.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2007, 05:55:25 PM
Mickey’s obviously aiming for a glorious three in a row.

Is it not FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Donagh on January 14, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
Is it not FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?

Feck I couldn't tell you. I think Mickey's probably the only person that pays attention to this competition.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 06:43:29 PM
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harte is right - why shouldn't he allowed pick his own players - the universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's. We have to put with pox like UCD in the dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then.
Very good - makes no sense, but very good.

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the universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's.
They add nothing - have not the universities contributed to adding an interest to a competition even the worms in the ground didn't want to see.  The actually were invited into this competition and are not polluting it in any way - they actually have helped invigorate it and raise it to an unprecedented level of interest and support.

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We have to put with pox like UCD in the Dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then
Not sure where you received you education but your Geography teacher needs a slap.  UCD is in Dublin (the D in UCD stands for Dublin) so I fail to see, Mr Josey Wales, why this team would want to play in any competition in Ulster.  Maybe you have an insight into restructuring of competitions within the capital city which you could share with us, but I can't see it getting to the stage where they want to compete in the Premiere Province - Ulster.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 06:48:37 PM
A lot of crap Cloc Mor. I'll only say this about it and no more - don't believe all you read. I'm sure not all unis involved are overly delighted at being forced to compete in this tournament.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 06:54:34 PM
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A lot of crap Cloc Mor. I'll only say this about it and no more - don't believe all you read. Not all unis involved are overly delighted at being 'forced' to compete in this tournament.

Ditto to some of your posts O'Neill.  You must have close contacts with University students to make such a statement as that.  Cant agree with your sentiments and neither do the players I have been speaking to.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 14, 2007, 06:55:58 PM
not a question of paying lip service to burnout but the following.

- If a player is good enough for Sigerson- he shouldn't be playing Freshers -that's hardly a pro-active approach by the UNiversity who are AS bad as anyone when it comes to contributing to  burnout.

- If  a player is good enough for the county senior panel - there should be no requirement for him to train with the 21 panel or play mickey mouse challenege games with them.

You have to look at the managers point of view as well. they have guys in university panels who may/may not be good enough for county football. How is Harte supposed to find out- if they are good enough unless they are playing for Tyrone. I don't agree that the Sigerson Cup is the standard of competition people think it is. It's played in the most awful weather conditions and having attended and played quite a few games- mundane is what i'd describe a lot of them. It's quite obvious county managers don'r rate the level of Sigerson training in a lot of the colleges.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Bogball XV on January 14, 2007, 07:00:11 PM
Harte is being a t**ser about this - why is he so intransigent so frequently??  He should look on this as an opportunity to use other players - as Donagh say, there are other club players he can give a run out to in these games.
This matter is not related to the UCD in Dublin championship matter Josey, i am in complete agreement with you re that - it's non-sensical, let players play in 2 county championships - yeah, makes sense ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 14, 2007, 07:06:35 PM
You're entitled to your opinion Cloc Mor but I'm not getting involved in a slanging match.
The ever increasing profile of the inter-county game is going to lead to the university competitions being squeezed. Mickey Harte doesn't care whether UUJ or QUB win the Sigerson Cup-he's only interested in Tyroen winning Sam. And I wonder did anyone ask the university players involved did they not want to play for Tyrone? Playing county football is a honour for any player and having to play for university hardly holds the same appeal.
The reality is the mc kenna cup/o byrne cup etc- is where the managers sort out there league panels- they obviosuly don't put the same stock on the Sigerson Cup anymore and they don't want it interfereing in their preparations. I'm not saying that's right- but we've seen the demise of the club competitions where county managers won't even let players play with their club - obviosuly the universities are next.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 07:29:40 PM
You mention QUB AND UUJ and I think thats where Mickey Harte's problem lies.  He was squeezed out of St Mary's by Paddy Tally and he wants to take this out on all the universities.  The University competitions will never be squeezed out and to suggest this is totally outrageous.
In reply to Josey Wales, you probably have never played Sigerson football and I can tell you footballers who play this standard of fooball are better prepared than those who compete in the McKenna Cup. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 07:38:27 PM
Even Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney. UUJ's victory today means that the chance of Unis not competing next year in this competition are slim. Mickey has played this spot on. He has 4 players who'll definitely make the panel playing for the Unis, players he knows will make the grade and has recalled 3 who he's not as clear about. As manager of the Tyrone team, he is fulfilling the job requirements satisfactorily.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 07:47:29 PM

O'Neill doesn't know what he's talking about but sure what's new?

In Ulster anyway, the universities are invited to compete in the mckenna cup and do so of their own accord. this was introduced as a revamp to the previously stale mckenna cup.

talk as much shite as you like but the competition is better for the participation of the universities and will remain so unless more managers regauge their own self worth and follow harte's lead.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 07:56:10 PM
Ach Uladh are you still at the childish stuff/obsession with me? I'd thought you'd given that up after last time!! A young pup never knows when to stop eating his own...

I'm sure Mickey knows what i'm on about and would call the Ulster Council's bluff if they acted. I'd imagine that's why the authorities are dragging their heels.

The universities have added absolutely nothing to this, apart from 'something different' . Their attendances are the worst (the Tyrone v St Mary's game last year was the lowest Tyrone attendance i've seen in years) and as with the Derry player who was left in Limbo this year, it just muddies the waters.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 07:57:13 PM
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Even Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney. UUJ's victory today means that the chance of Unis not competing next year in this competition are slim. Mickey has played this spot on. He has 4 players who'll definitely make the panel playing for the Unis, players he knows will make the grade and has recalled 3 who he's not as clear about. As manager of the Tyrone team, he is fulfilling the job requirements satisfactorily.


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Even Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney.

To make such a statement as this O'Neill, you obviously have this assurance first hand then?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Yes, as do 1000s of others who read his interview this week.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 08:04:29 PM
your impliation is that the ranch are somehow forced to enter this competition, which is total shite. the ulster council have no sway over universities and cannot force them to do anything.

your repeated point that the unis bring nothing to the competition betrays once again your complete ignorance of the game of football. i assume you haven't attended a single mckenna cup game as usual.

the next time your having a conversation with mickey, tell him not to be such a w**ker and leave his grudge against tally behind him.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 08:12:19 PM
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Even Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney.

Not talking about an article in a paper.  You obviously have been speaking to him directly, O Neill, to make a statement like this
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 14, 2007, 08:27:19 PM
Very high opinion of your own opinions Uladh- maybe some of us have a different opinion that's why it's called a forum- if you want to have one with you as the only poster- set up your own. I don't think they add any value to the competition and i'm entitled to that view. I know if i was a county manager and i wanted to see a player i wasn't sure about in action i'd want to see him in action for the county side- because how are you supposed to know if he's good enough?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 08:34:20 PM
your impliation is that the ranch are somehow forced to enter this competition, which is total shite. the ulster council have no sway over universities and cannot force them to do anything.

your repeated point that the unis bring nothing to the competition betrays once again your complete ignorance of the game of football. i assume you haven't attended a single mckenna cup game as usual.

the next time your having a conversation with mickey, tell him not to be such a w**ker and leave his grudge against tally behind him.

Mmmm, will someone close the door of the creche on the way out....you're 100% correct in everything Uladh.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 14, 2007, 09:03:01 PM
When does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
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When does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing. 
   

So neither of these players have EVER played for Tyrone (at any level).  You don't know them very well then.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 09:13:43 PM
See what your dealing with, reddgnhand. As I said, best to close the door. Past the bed-time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 14, 2007, 09:16:11 PM
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When does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing. 
   

So neither of these players have EVER played for Tyrone (at any level).  You don't know them very well then.

I know damn well who these guy's are. I never said at any "level". I am talking about senior level and you know that. All i am saying is, if they had chosen to play for their University how could they then be classed as county(senior) players ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 10:07:33 PM

Whether a player had or had not previously played county football is irrelevent to this discussion. the rules are that the unis name their panels and any player named for a uni may not participate for another team in the competition. up until today, no rules had actually been broken as none of the 3 had played in the competition elsewhere.

tyrone enter the competition the same as everyone else with a full understanding of the rules then decide they want to change them. what next? compulsary free kicks for players under 5 ft?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 14, 2007, 10:45:56 PM

Whether a player had or had not previously played county football is irrelevent to this discussion. the rules are that the unis name their panels and any player named for a uni may not participate for another team in the competition. up until today, no rules had actually been broken as none of the 3 had played in the competition elsewhere.

tyrone enter the competition the same as everyone else with a full understanding of the rules then decide they want to change them. what next? compulsary free kicks for players under 5 ft?

What about the players themselves? Should they not be allowed to choose who they play for?   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 14, 2007, 10:48:25 PM
Surely Tyrone need to be thrown out. You break the rules - you're out.

Or has Mickey found a loophole....McKenna Cup Regulation 4 - "A player may only play with either his university team or county team". No rule broken there. Cavanagh & co were given a choice, after UUJ had first pick.

It wouldn't surprise me if the underhanded Ulster Council have no sanctions in place.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 14, 2007, 10:59:17 PM
O'Neill is right.  Mickey Harte knows he has not broken any rules.  A number of prominent GAA figures have been quoted as saying that there was "a gentleman's agreement" that the Universities would have first call on the county players.  That is hardly enough for the Ulster Council to impose any sanctions on Mickey Harte or Tyrone.  The matter should be allowed to rest.  It is too late now for the Ulster Council to do anything about it.  If they want, they can change their rules for the McKenna Cup in 2008. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 14, 2007, 11:07:46 PM
Is it not FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?

Feck I couldn't tell you. I think Mickey's probably the only person that pays attention to this competition.

Very well observed, Donagh.  I suppose you are also aware that big Joe is probably the only person that pays attention to the Ulster Senior Football Championship.  Is it three or four in a row of Anglo Celt Cups he is going for this year?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 14, 2007, 11:11:59 PM
I think it is better for all concerned that the colleges are in and think Mickey Harte is wrong on this one. However, there are too many demands on this age-group and I suggest getting rid of the under 21s -what is the point ?This is the age group who can be faced with Club Senior and Under 21, County Senior and under 21,Colleges(Sigerson and sometimes freshers) ( and in some cases province or even country).And they wonder why there's burn-out. Let the lads at college get to play with lads from other counties- those friendships have lasted, in my case, for over 20 years.The lads not at college still can get plenty of football.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 11:16:00 PM
there was "a gentleman's agreement" that the Universities would have first call on the county players. 

one could hardly expect harte to repsect that...

O'neill... be a good chap and post all of the competition rules (infull as opposed to the little bits that suit you) while you're busy cutting & pasting anyway...
Title: Antrim 0-8 Donegal 0-9
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on January 15, 2007, 08:59:23 AM
A reasonable sized crowd saw Donegal hang on to win by a point against a game Antrim side who played an hour with 14 men when Higgins was sent off for two consecutive personal fouls on Martin Mc Elhinney.For long periods any late arrivals to Casement would find it hard to believe that we had the numerical advantage.we were sluggish and disinterested throughout and only showed some impetus when Antrim levelled again with 15 minutes to go.The game saw a debut for Colm Mc Carron at corner back with season starts for Michael Boyle and Noel Hegarty.Kevin Cassidy partnered Joe Friel in midfield and Eamon Mc Gee moved to centre half.

Michael Boyle 7.0 Not troubled with any shots apart from a goalmouth scramble at the end and tried to kick to Cass at every opportunity.

Peter Witherow 6.5 Played his second full game and did well to keep Close from racking up scores that his possession and open play looked like doing.

Paddy Campbell 6.5 Guilty of getting caught in possession early on but steady presence for newcomers but did not look too comfortable with the roving tactics of the Antrim FF line.

Colm Mc Carron 6.0 Booked in first half and switched with witherow.Looks strong enough for this level and should get another chance against Down.

Barry Dunnion 6.5 Used as spare man but failed to reach his customary impact.

Eamon Mc Gee 6.5 Released ball into attack just a little quicker yesterday but not a threat in creative sense.

Noel Hegarty 6.0 Poor enough but lasted until being replaced by Christ Toye at end.

Joe Friel 6.0 Played full game but was second best against a robust Antrim midfield.

Kevin Cassidy 7.5 Urged on team and competed well,kicked one wide when hard work in making space was achieved.At this early juncture is favourite IMO for Gallagher partnership.

Ryan Bradley 7.0 Worked very hard in covering back.Could not fault his effort and kicked two points off his left foot.Mc Iver is obviously giving him every oppotunity this year.

Johnny Mc Loone 6.0 Failed to make any impact and was replaced by Brian Roper

Michael Murphy 6.5 Contributed one free and a point from play but kicked 3 easy frees wide.

Kevin Mc Menamin 7.0 Again showed well always first to ball but cannot seem to get by the defender instead opting to lay off.Does not seem to have the physical power to go for points in excess of 30m.

Benny Byrne 6.5 More effective as target man this week and laid off nicely for the last point by Thompson.Still not knocking at Mc Iver's door with the solution to our FF woes.

Martin Mc Elhinney 7.0 Livliest and most direct forward,switched to the 40 for last quarter.

Subs:
Neil Mc Gee 6.5 Steady enough and will improve - repaced Mc Carron at half time.
Brian Roper 7.0 Kicked a trademark point to steady the ship and did the basics well.
Frank Mc Glynn 6.0 Replaced Hegarty and missed easy point chance from 30m towards end.
Leon Thompson 6.5 Kicked final point and looked sharp and first to every ball.
Christy Toye Not on long enough to rate

Positives - Martin Mc Elhinney and Cass in midfield.
Negatives - Inability to make use of extra man
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Rois on January 15, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
Thought the match at Casement was pretty crap yesterday to be honest.  The score stood at 6-5 for a large part of the second half, and only in about the last ten minutes did the excitement pick up.  Donegal looked a lot pacier than Antrim in the second half, though I'm sure a few months under Jody Gormely will help Antrim improve.  Antrim kept playing the ball behind them, seeming unprepared to take on the defenders.  Donegal were more willing to do so but not to great effect as a number of efforts went wide that should surely have gone over.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 15, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
Have to agree with Rois, it was a poor match all right.

McIver did use alot of inexperienced players but Antrim looked the hungrier for the win.
Alot of badly missed points from both sides, although the Antrim keeper nearly put the ball in his own net in the first half and that could have had a major impact if it had gone in as the Antrim lads heads could have gone down at that stage.
Donegal have done enough to go through to the semi's, I think that a Donegal  - Tyrone final is on the cards again.
We'll stop all this talk of 4 in a row...!  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 15, 2007, 10:34:45 AM
Surely the extra man helped Donegal look faster than Antrim in the 2nd half!!

not that it matters though, the McKenna Cup is a farcical tournament where every manager taking part is merely 'tyre kicking' at whatever lads he's had at trials before turning them down for the more experienced heads.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2007, 10:35:25 AM
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?  ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 15, 2007, 10:42:15 AM
Surely the extra man helped Donegal look faster than Antrim in the 2nd half!!

not that it matters though, the McKenna Cup is a farcical tournament where every manager taking part is merely 'tyre kicking' at whatever lads he's had at trials before turning them down for the more experienced heads.

In all fairness Donegal didn't take advantage of their numerical strength.

I think that the McKenna cup has a place in the Gaelic calander, it gives managers a chance to run the rule over their panels for the forecoming season.
It also eases us fans back into the inter county competitions after a hearty christmas!  ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Rois on January 15, 2007, 10:44:15 AM
I think that a Donegal  - Tyrone final is on the cards again.
We'll stop all this talk of 4 in a row...!  ;D

Bring it on, cause I didn't see too much yesterday that would worry Tyrone!  At least the midget jokes could be transferred to Donegal instead - Roper and Leon Thompson are certainly very small for county players.

Who was the young number 24 for Antrim yesterday - didn't have a team list so couldn't tell, but I thought he was particularly wasteful and anxious looking.

Maybe that was the case Slim but since ya weren't there, you couldn't tell that for sure  :P
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2007, 10:53:51 AM
With reference to the debate earlier about Tyrone and the College players it looks like DCU have found the solution:

DCU withdraw in protest
15 January 2007
Dublin City University decided against travelling to an O’Byrne Cup Shield clash with Athlone IT because a number of their players were pressurised into lining out for their county rather than representing the college.A number of colleges now participate in the early season provincial competitions and part of the rules are that they must have first call on all players who are also involved in county action.
However, in this season’s O’Byrne Cup a number of college players lined out with their counties and DCU decided to withdraw from the competition in protest.
"We feel that the recent pressures that were placed directly on some players to play for their county instead of their college were unfair to those involved," said DCU’s Declan Brennan.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71075
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
Quote
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?

Aye? Surely you jest?

Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 15, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
''Maybe that was the case Slim but since ya weren't there, you couldn't tell that for sure''

and i wont be at any of the McKenna Cup games!

and since you're trying to get a fly dig in, surely if you were any sort of Tyrone fan you'd have made the trip to Omagh or at least tuned in to TG4 instead of going to watch a ''poor game'' in Casement!

You could have been counting numbers while you watched it as well-big workload and all!!  :P
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Donagh on January 15, 2007, 01:13:11 PM
The Ulster Council have called an emergency meeting to decide what (if any) penalty to impose on Tyrone.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on January 15, 2007, 01:27:10 PM
surely tyrone will have to be kicked out of the competition, rules are rules!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 15, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
Are they rules or guidlines or agreements between the the groups. Ulster council need to be careful here, there role is certainly not to protect or look after the interest of thrid level universities.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 15, 2007, 01:53:05 PM
It was interesting to see how Harte had his young prey come on to the telly last week and back up his argument. I still think he needs taken down a peg or three for his actions.

And then he'll withdraw and go after the O'Byrne Cup  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 15, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6263549.stm

Quote
Tyrone's game with Cavan this weekend in the McKenna Cup is on hold pending the outcome of an emergency Ulster Council meeting on Tuesday night.
The meeting will determine what, if any, punishment to hand down to Tyrone after they played four university students in Sunday's win over Derry.

Under the competition rules university teams have first preference on players who are also eligible for their county.

Tyrone boss Mickey Harte said the players opted to play for the county.

"The players made that decision. They were asked where did they wanted to go, and they chose Tyrone," said Harte.

However, under the McKenna Cup rules, as determined by the provincial council, Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs (all UUJ) and Cathal McCarron (St Mary's) should have declared for their respective colleges.

"The Ulster Council position is that they have broken the regulations, and we'll have to see what to do," said Ulster Council chairman Micheal Greenan.

"It's not a matter for me, it's a matter for the council to deal with, and the council will deal with it."

One option is that the defending champions will be docked points for their controversial stance.

Tyrone are due to meet Cavan in the final and decisive Group B tie under lights at Breffni Park, with the winners going through to the semi-finals.

Shoite
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ClosetotheHarte on January 15, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
Quote
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?

Aye? Surely you jest?

Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.

The same Irish News report also has D McCaul coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2007, 04:29:16 PM
Refreshing victory for Tyrone
15 January 2007
Tyrone continued their team-building ahead of the NFL when on Sunday last at Healy Park, Omagh they easily defeated near neighbours, Derry in the second round of the McKenna Cup on a scoreline of 1-15 to 0-9.
The home side containing only four players from year’s championship side were far too good for a visiting Derry side who included in their ranks six of their championship side of last season.
In a game that was played at a fast and competitive pace, the home side were clearly the masters and at the break they had the game already tied up leading by 1-11 to 0-3 – an 11 points lead.
Derry, as expected made a better fist of matters in the second-half without really troubling a Tyrone side full of flair and invention, with every player in the side out to impress the management ahead of the new season.
The selection of four university players in the home side attracted plenty of pre-match attention. It showed why Manager Harte wanted to have a good look at them in action and why they feel they can make the Red Hand panel this season.
On this performance the Tyrone management will have some headaches before he picks his squad for the forthcoming NFL campaign. However, he should get a better idea of the real potential of these youngsters when they travel to Kingspan/Breffni Park in Cavan next week-end for their third round meeting with the unbeaten Breffni side in the competition.
Derry at the present time are in something of a disarray. They have now suffered two heavy defeats on the trot against Cavan at home in Celtic Park and on Sunday in Omagh against Tyrone. Hardly the best way to start the new competitive season for Paddy Crozier and his Derry squad. The new players he has introduced into the squad by and large have failed to make a major impact, and you could say they have some problems already and the season only starting. As the saying goes it can only get better for the Oak Leaf side, and the return of many of their experienced players in the coming weeks will see a much stronger and better focussed Derry side for the start of the NFL.
Once again as was the case in the Cavan defeat there is too much reliance on Paddy Bradley for scores, but another worry has to be the number of scores they have conceded over the two games played.

Tyrone – Paschal McConnell; D. McCaul, C. McGinley, P. Marlow; Davy Harte 0-1, D. Carlin 0-1, B. Boggs; M. Murphy 0-3, Sean Cavanagh; Tommy McGuigan 0-2, Owen Mulligan 0-1, C. Cavanagh 0-1; C. McCarron 1-3, 0-3 from frees, P. Rouse 0-1 0-1, D. McDermott 0-2.
Subs – Ryan Mellon for Sean Cavanagh; E. McGinley for M. Murphy; N. Gormley for McDermott; Martin Penrose for Davy Harte.

Derry – S. O’Kane; K. McGuckin, K. McCann, J. Keenan; A. McAlynn, Fergal Doherty, Liam Hinphey; Patsy Bradley, J. Conway; R. McElhone 0-1, C. Gilligan 0-1, C. Moran; A.. McCartney, Paddy Bradley 0-5, 2 frees, Eoin Bradley 0-2.
Subs – Kevin McCloy for Hinphey; P. O’Hea for McAlynn; J. Kelly for Moran and Paul Bradley for A. McCartney.

Referee – Brian Crowe from Cavan.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71130
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2007, 04:33:26 PM
Quote
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?
Aye? Surely you jest?
Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
The same Irish News report also has D McCaul coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point. It's funny that Colm

Hogan Stand have it too and McCaul scored a point. Must be some player.  Must be the same report.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71109

Down side have no answer to rampant UUJ side
15 January 2007

Down’s hopes of figuring in the knock-out stages of this season’s Dr. McKenna Cup ended at the Burren venue on Sunday, 14th of January when they were outplayed in the second-half by a rampant UUJ side who went on to win the game on a scoreline of 1-19 to 1-6.
The home side started the game impressively enough and after six minutes play they led by 0-3 to 0-1. Slowly by surely the UUJ side worked themselves into the game and playing some excellent football they were good value for their 0-7 to 0-5 lead at the break.
The students continued to force the pace in the third quarter of the game, and by the 42nd minute they were seven points in front and clearly in command. Despite the best efforts of an inexperienced home side they just couldn’t get back into contention, and they scored six further points from the 56th minute for a facile victory in the end.
It was the first time Jordanstown were drawn to play a Down side in the Dr. McKenna Cup. This win gave them a timely boost ahead of the Sigerson Cup finals which will be held in Belfast this coming March.
Their coach, and former Derry star, Adrian McGuckian was delighted with the win and the attitude of his charges in this game. “We played some very exciting football, and it was a great team performance. The players are starting to believe in themselves, and a win like this will do wonders for confidence as their preparations for the Sigersons Cup continues apace.However, he also added that they were up against a weakened Down side on this occasion, and can expect much tougher games in the weeks ahead in Sigerson Cup fare.’’
As for Ross Carr and his Down management it was not all gloom and doom. Six players from Down started for UUJ and there was a broad canvas of prospects for Ross Carr to look at. While on this occasion he was concentrating on those wearing the ’red and black’, the players who made good impressions yesterday were all wearing the Jordanstown blue, including ’man of the match’ John Boyle, who captained the winning side and scored three points into the bargain.

Down – Mickey McVeigh; D. Rooney, S. Toner, P. Matthews; C. McCrickard, J. Doran, C. Murtagh 0-1; A. Carville 0-2, Gareth Johnston; K. Gracey, N. Sweeney, B. Doran; C. Gribben 1-2, B. Sweeney, Daniel Hughes 0-1.
Subs – E. Henry for J. Doran; K. McGuigan for McCrickard; P. Telford for Carville; J. Lynch for Johnson; A. Burns for Sweeney.

UUJ – M. McAllister; P. Mooney, J. Conlon, S. O’Hagan; R. Murray 0-1, E. McConville, S. McAleer; John Colgan 0-1, J. Bradley; Martin Lynch 1-5, three frees and one ’45’, John Boyle capt. 0-3, R. Mulgrew 0-1; M. Herron, P. Downey 0-3, B. O’Brien 0-2, one free.
Subs – D. McCaul 0-1 for O’Brien; K. Dyas 0-2 for O’Hagan; B. Boggs for McAleer.

Referee – Gregory Walsh from Antrim.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ClosetotheHarte on January 15, 2007, 04:35:51 PM
Quote
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?

Aye? Surely you jest?

Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.

The same Irish News report also has 'D McCaul' coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point, at the same time as Damian McCaul was playing for Tyrone at Healy Park. It's funny that Colm Cavanagh wasn't playing for them too! Was he just not able to be in two places at the one time?
I take it the UUJ match WAS on at the same time as the Tyrone match!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: aontroim abu on January 15, 2007, 04:46:32 PM
harte is only trying to see how far he can push the Ulster Council without getting his ego, sorry knuckles, rapped. IMO they should throw the book at either the players or the county board, they all knew the rules at the start of the competition regarding declaring for county or uni.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 15, 2007, 05:29:56 PM
harte is only trying to see how far he can push the Ulster Council without getting his ego, sorry knuckles, rapped. IMO they should throw the book at either the players or the county board, they all knew the rules at the start of the competition regarding declaring for county or uni.

Throw the book at them, for what? Are you trying to tell us that players are not allowed to choose what team they line out for? I think the Ulster council are digging a big hole for themselves. They dont have the power to tell a player what team he plays for.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 15, 2007, 05:39:21 PM
O'Neill your blatant biased attitude on this subject is laughable.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 15, 2007, 05:45:31 PM
It is isn't it. I'm laughing. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 15, 2007, 05:55:26 PM
I am glad, for a moment I thought you were serious with your argument.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 15, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
Couldn't be more serious. Laughing at some from a certain county wetting themselves with excitement.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 15, 2007, 06:20:56 PM
You can fool no one, it is obvious you don't really back Harte in this instance. It is ok you are allowed to disagree with your County's manager, I give Joe a hard time on this board.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 15, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
would have said O Neill is right - i know if iit was me id want to play for my county- playing for you university is hardly the same thing. theplayers should have the right to choose- it may be the only chance they'd ever get.
Title: McKenna Cup tie on ice
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2007, 01:06:43 AM
Another first for the GAA as Tyrone and Cavan play their

McKenna Cup tie on ice


15 January 2007

The Cavan versus Tyrone McKenna Cup game this weekend is noticeable by its absence from the official fixture list as the Ulster Council are set to meet to discuss the O’Neill County’s use of four players who were meant to assist their colleges in the competition.
It is understood the fixture has been put on hold pending the outcome of an emergency meeting of the Ulster GAA Council tomorrow night (Tuesday).
The meeting will determine whether if any punishment is handed down to Tyrone after the county fielded four university players in their game against Derry last weekend. Under competition rules, universities have first call on an eligible player.
Jordanstown’s Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh and Brendan Boggs and Cathal McCarron of St Mary’s all lined out for Tyrone on Sunday, despite a warning from the Ulster Council last week that this was in breach of the competition rules.
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has said though that the players concerned opted to line out for their county.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71160

Get yourselves down to Coors Breffini Park Cavan where the puck-in or face off is 6.30pm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tayto on January 16, 2007, 01:48:11 AM
would have said O Neill is right - i know if iit was me id want to play for my county- playing for you university is hardly the same thing. theplayers should have the right to choose- it may be the only chance they'd ever get.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 16, 2007, 08:56:15 AM

Haven't played much lads?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: aontroim abu on January 16, 2007, 09:06:52 AM
Reddgnhand the point i am trying to get across is that all teams/ counties/ uni's knew the rules about declaring for a team prior to the competition starting, but obviously Tyrone/Harte dont want to abide by them. What would you expect the ulster council to do? nothing i presume
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2007, 09:33:10 AM
At the end of the day this is an inter-county competition, not a 3rd level one.  The Universities have been let in and they shouldnt be calling the shots or getting any preferential treatment.  Fair dues, if county teams can accomodate them by letting their students play with them then so be it, but if the players or the management want certain players to line out for the county then so be it. For teams like tyrone, who dont play challenge games, the mckenna cup is important to blood and try new players.  Put on top of that that tyrone have several players recovering from injury, then they need all the available players they can get.  For boys like Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh etc, this competition is a big opportunity for them to show they canhold their own at competitive(although not championship)senior intercounty football.  Most of these players have come through successful underage teams, and they know that opportunities to break into the senior team or to get themselves in the running for a spot or likely sub apperance are scarce.  As stated, these players made the decision and I believe it should be their choice and nobody elses.  Im sure if you had asked any of the players in question as to who they wanted to play for, they would have said their county!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2007, 09:39:45 AM
If the competition regulations state that the Universities have first call on the players, then the Tyrone four were every bit as ineligible for the Derry game as Steven O'Neill was.  I too would like to play for Tyrone but unfortunately I am ineligible because of the rules and regulations of the GAA.

Given that they were all ineligible, the only appropriate action (as stated in the official guide) is that Tyrone are thrown out of the competition, all four players receive a six month ban and the Tyrone county chairman and secretary receive identical bans.  At least until Fergal Logan gets involved.

Rules is rules, boys.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Rois on January 16, 2007, 09:55:39 AM
Having received a legal opinion (and not Fergal Logan's by the way!), Mickey Harte was advised that playing the Tyrone Four was not against the written rules, but against the spirit of the competition.  He ignored the "spirit" comment.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: SlimShady on January 16, 2007, 09:57:22 AM
if thats true then Scruffy Mick will now be as likeable to the non-Tyrone people as his media-whore of a daughter!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 16, 2007, 10:03:04 AM
Everybody know's that won't happen, Tyrone will bring 3000 supporters to Cavan on Saturday night - then about 10000 to a possible semi with Armagh & something similar if they get ot the final.

Possible Revenue over £140,000 (As long as my maths hold up).

No matter about rules though, or the arrogance of Messeurs Harte & the Tyrone County Board of which rules apply to them or not...

...Micky should have used this as an opportunity to try someone else. Surely it is obvious that the county teams have a greater selection than the Universities & to make this competition competitive & worthwhile these rules exist!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 16, 2007, 10:13:59 AM
if thats true then Scruffy Mick will now be as likeable to the non-Tyrone people as his media-whore of a daughter!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 10:22:25 AM
This debate has gone far enough and Im gonna end it now.   Lets talk about rules and the spirit then of the GAA, it seems universitiies bend the rules all the time, by paying managers and offering incentives to players.  Can anyone tell me who was the last non paid University coach?  Remember the UCD Dublin championship win, boys played on that team that had already played at club level.  Im a great believer in leaving the colleges to one side as they operate on a different spirit and set of rules than cluib and county.  Fair play to ye \Mickey - I tell ye what lads ye can be thankful that Harte calls these things on behalf of us all (even at this stage if we cant agree) I guarantee Mickey will never let what happened with UCD happen in Ulster.    Lads if i had a choice of playing for a college team or a county team Id jump at the county opportunity.  it  mightr be the only one that comes my way.   Fair play to Mickey for giving these starlets a chance and by the way they all probably played themselves on to his panel.  
Tyrone made the Mc kenna cup what it is today. Lets show the colleges who is boss - kick them out of the Mc kenna Cup for whinging....
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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 16, 2007, 10:29:36 AM
I think there are two reasons why the Mc kenna cup is more successful today than it was was five years ago.....firstly Ulster is on a crest of a wave in that we have Tyrone and Armagh who are top drawer and as history has shown us here in Ulstern ah la early 90s, when we have success we go in to overdrive, secondly and equally important is the fact that precedes tha national league  providing managers and players serious games...the two combine together are served in the successful Mc kenna Cup...the uni spin is a minor side issue
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: phpearse on January 16, 2007, 10:43:18 AM
I personnally think the Universities bring shag all to the competition. The McKenna Cup has seen a resurgence owing more to the fact of its placement just before the start of the National league and owing much to the interest generated by Armagh and Tyrone. Bring in your Tyrone Derry thing and you have the makings for decent crowds. I'm not sure of the figures but I would guess that the attendance figures at the UUJ and Down game, or St Mary against Monaghan or QUB and Cavan wouldn't be that high. You could easily exclude the University teams and still have a worthwhile competition. I'm not that big a fan of the university football in any case. Its just an excuse for the likes of QUB, UUJ and other unis to see what courses they can get star players on so that they can field a team.

The players like Cavanagh, Boggs, McCaul and McCarron all know that they have a slim chance of making the Tyrone panel and that every opportunity they get to make an impression they must take. They can't make an impression playing for a college team. Nowhere in the rules, that I have seen anway, does it say if you attend any college that you are ineligible to play for a county side during the McKenna Cup. If the competition rules say that Unis have first call on players, then thats fine but then the county has next call. What call does the player have? If the player says naw Mickey Moran I'm not playing for you, what can the Ulster Council do about it.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2007, 10:52:36 AM
Well said PHPearse, if they want to play for Tyrone and not their University, how can Tyrone or Harte get in trouble.  Players choice!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: The Bottom Brick on January 16, 2007, 11:06:29 AM
Quote
it seems universitiies bend the rules all the time, by paying managers and offering incentives to players

Grrrr! Those nasty universities...

Get your head out of your hole will ya
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: RedKnight on January 16, 2007, 11:08:54 AM
Has there been any word on the emergency ulster council meeting last night? i think if anything does happen tyrone, Mickey and Fergal Logan will have something to say about it, they know the rules but also know the loopholes in them too
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 16, 2007, 11:14:25 AM
Well said PHPearse, if they want to play for Tyrone and not their University, how can Tyrone or Harte get in trouble.  Players choice!

They don't really have much of a choice!!! - Can you imagine if they chose the universitites??

Micky would not have them back in another county squad!
Title: SS is correct
Post by: Uladh on January 16, 2007, 11:53:49 AM

Now i'm not sayin yis are all stoopid tyrone inbreds, but...

The rules of the competition are set out in advance of every team electing to enter. The universities were enticed into entering with the guarantee that they could select their strongest possible panel. the idea has been so sucessful that all three of the other provences copied it.

You can dress harte's intrangience up as much as you like but he certainly knew the rules and chose to ignore them.

Tyrone should be thrown out. i understand crozier threatened the same policy before the competition started and the ulster council told him derry would be thrown out if he followed through.


for those of you who think its a simple "sure i'd play for the county ahead of the uni every time" decision, you obviously have no background in or understanding of university football. its only a few weeks til the sigerson competition begins and their preparations would be at full tilt. players know the weight county managers really put behind the mckenna cup and with the absence of emotional blackmail, university players will play for their colleges.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 12:35:04 PM
Uladh the Universities spokesman
let me know when the mask slips to reveal very little but a sour auld Armagh fan with little or no interest in anything but knocking Mickey Harte.  This time last year we got your tongue after the bottle of Omagh. you really showing admirable stretching ability to stretch your arguement a full year and onto a completely different topic.  Well done Armagh must be very proud of you and your elk.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 16, 2007, 12:37:47 PM

I have little or no interest in university football this 5 years or more but it is fun to see harte make an ass of himself. keeps me in craic. like our own egotistical manager, they both just love the attention...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Rois on January 16, 2007, 12:45:01 PM
Well done Armagh must be very proud of you and your elk.

You have an elk?  Didn't realise you were a strange animal lover Uladh.

Sorry, couldn't resist, it made me laugh  ;D
Title: Improving our English
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 01:01:47 PM
a very rare and difficult to spot wildlife faux de pas, Rois and uladh, I am humbled to be living amongst the Heaneys - though I think its more Paddy not Seamus.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 16, 2007, 01:06:48 PM
Surely Mickey Harte committed the same sin last year when he kept Rammie Mulgrew out of his uni squad so he could have a look at him.

As it went unremarked last year, you'd wonder why it's got all the fuss and attention this time around?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 01:31:26 PM
I believe that the Ulster Council have cottoned on to what Tyrone have been at for a number of years.  the timing of the Mc kenna cup is more important to Mickey Hartes bi annual Sam Maguire plan than the Ulster championship.  In other words by Tyrone taking the Mc Kenna cup and All ireland championships seriously and not the ulster championship they have weakened the Ulster councils major competition in favour of their weaker competition.  The Ulster council just arent prepared to let this happen 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 16, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
Still, I can't how the Ulster Council can justify the big fuss as they let the same action pass last year. Unless they had officially warned the Tyrone County Board last year on the QT.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: RedKnight on January 16, 2007, 01:50:03 PM
Is there a rule for the Mc Kenna cup that states universities 'MUST' be given county players and not just preference? If their is could someone please post it, or better still post the full set of rules. It would be interesting to see everyones interpretation of the rules.
Title: Mickey Harte is infallible?
Post by: Bogball XV on January 16, 2007, 02:07:23 PM
Can ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions?  I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 02:13:15 PM
MC Kenna Cup Rules:
1) thou shalt not play for thy county
2) unless you are too old for university
3) or too young to play for the county
4) A classic case of human rights
5) it might take Feargal to win it
6) If i was Mickey Id bin it..
7) Wonder will there be many at the Cavan UUJ final
8) Should be a cracker!
9) Where the Mc kenna's Tyrone men are did they just play for their University.
10) On behalf of the innocent footballers in all this, Can anybody tell me how many chances they could be expected to get to show their worth for their county.. Surely each is important,  Shame on you all..This is not a rebel poem nor poem at all.
Title: Re: Mickey Harte is infallible?
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 16, 2007, 03:21:50 PM
Can ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions?  I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??

Of course Mickey Harte is fallible, he's made plenty of mistakes down the years. On this issue though Im not sure what the great fuss is, seems to me that a few people who dont like Harte are just using it as a stick to beat him with. The idea that he is doing it because of his ego or to get publicity is ludicrous, he just wants whats best for his team and if he feels he is being wronged he will speak out.
He's released the established players (whose capabilties he knows all about) but wants to have a look at the younger ones. With no competitive games before the new year the McKenna Cup is his only chance to do that before the league (and Tyrone have to play in front of a big crowd in a high profile match in their first league game). I very much doubt Harte has broken any rules, he isnt that stupid. Going "against the spirit" of the competition sounds more like it but ultimately Mickey Harte's job is to get the best possible Tyrone panel for the months ahead and if he as to go against the spirit of the McKenna whilst this isnt ideal if it has to be done then fine. He's hardly a lone voice either, its clear other managers around the country have grave doubts about the issue.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Star Spangler on January 16, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from Uladh:
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You can dress harte's intrangience up as much as you like but he certainly knew the rules and chose to ignore them.

Quote from Bogball XV:
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Can ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions?  I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??

Quote from Mickey Harte:
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"It's not a question of being awkward - it's simply a matter of doing the best I can for the county I manage."

If being intransigent or being a "w**ker" is what it takes to do what's best for Tyrone then as a "Tyronie" that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 04:00:20 PM
I think we could all take a good luck at ourselves when this all finished.  Mickey Harte dosent play friendlies, and this is good for his counites clubs, and the demands on his players,  the Mc kenna cup sets him up for the league and championship, for years he was the only one who valued it and took its seriously.  This eventually made the competition flourish and then the universities wanted a part of it.   Alas now it seems  etc it looks like you are attempting to force him and Tyrone and us the fans out of mc kenna Cup football.  in a months time as Gaelic Life would put it even the Mc kennas wouldnt be going....
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Black and white on January 16, 2007, 04:13:06 PM
i think you are re-writing history there a bit with the Micky saved the Mc Kenna cup.  the new formate and hard work at Ulster COuncil level saved the competition, not Mickey.  Him not playing friendlies is his own concern, does that mean he realises all county players to play in all their clubs games?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 16, 2007, 04:15:29 PM
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Harte has came out and said that it is the players choice, but if you were a borderline county player would you take the chance and tog out for the Poly even though reading between the lines Harte wants you on the County Panel. No contest.

Exactly - they had no choice!!!

ps he held 4 players back!

I'm sure there are 4 vary capable club players in Tyrone club football that could have been looked at. Your very own Rocky O'Neill for one Mac E.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Six Inch Nail on January 16, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
I wouldn't worry about any punishment for Tyrone.  A certain former Tyrone player won't be too long picking holes in the rules and getting Tyrone off scot free.  You don't need to abide by the rules when you have someone in your corner who seems to be spending alot of his time looking for technical loopholes!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: phpearse on January 16, 2007, 05:53:02 PM
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So Mickey would play ringers in an U-21 match -never mind the rules state that it's an U-21 Competition.

If the rules don't state that University Players are inelligible to play for their respective counties then no rule has been broken. End off!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2007, 06:46:50 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the Council's next move will be. If they deduct Tyrone 2 points (my prediction - they'll not run the risk of being labelled as 'soft') I'd say Mickey will reiterate his position but accept it. You'll see a change to the regulations next year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 16, 2007, 06:47:52 PM
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I wouldn't worry about any punishment for Tyrone.  A certain former Tyrone player won't be too long picking holes in the rules and getting Tyrone off scot free.  You don't need to abide by the rules when you have someone in your corner who seems to be spending alot of his time looking for technical loopholes!

Ach shure don't we all know it.  Tyrone wid never hav wun nathin but fer lukin fer technicalities.  Our Man Fergal is at this minute lukin fer a technicality which will bring Sam to Tyrone without a ball bein kicked!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Josey Whales on January 16, 2007, 06:54:24 PM
Excuse me Uladh for offering an opinion but I do know  about Sigerson football and if offered achoice -i'd still pick my county. The reality is county football is the pinnacle for any player (ie it is the highest level you can play at) that is why the All Ireland inter county championship is played at the height of summer and Sigerson football is played in the mud of February.
Sigerson is a great competition in its own right- you get to play with your best friends etc and it can improve a player . BUt it is very much behind county football in terms of importance and in a county as competitive as Tyrone you might only get one chance. There iis no necessity for universities to be involved in county competitions and I haven't seen one argument to convince me that their inclusion is for the benefit of everyone.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 16, 2007, 08:44:23 PM

Josey, you are not comparing like for like. its not a straight choice between playing for uni or county. its a choice of playing for the uni inthe 6 weeks running into sigerson or for your county in what, for them, is a meaningless competition where there is nothing to be gained.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2007, 10:06:23 PM
I hear that the Council have declined to make a decision. Instead they'll hear what Tyrone have to say first.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 16, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
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I hear that the Council have declined to make a decision. Instead they'll hear what Tyrone have to say first.


Typical spineless shower.  The should be making a call on this rather than reacting to whatever Harte says.  Some type of punishment is due, in whatever form it may take. 

Is the Cavan/Tyrone game off at the minute?  Is there a chance that the game may not go ahead since the teams will not have received seven days notice of the game?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 16, 2007, 10:46:57 PM
Cavan should refuse to play and claim the points, as should Derry for last Sunday  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 16, 2007, 10:53:23 PM
Typical Spineless shower?

So what is your reasoning for this, are you fimiliar with the works of the Ulster Council.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 16, 2007, 11:03:56 PM
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Typical Spineless shower?

So what is your reasoning for this, are you fimiliar with the works of the Ulster Council.

My reasoning for calling them a spineless shower.  Is it not obvious.  The should be making a ruling based on the facts - not waiting to see what Tyrone have to say.  Surely they have heard enough coming out of the Tyrone camp in relation to this and I can't see them saying any different.  Spineless because the wont make the call but will end up bending the knee to Tyrone.  If this was they way there were going to conduct the investigation this should have been made clear from the start. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 16, 2007, 11:05:14 PM
I think Tyrone are completely in the wrong, but they still deserve a chance to present their  arguments offically as opposed to media snippets.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 16, 2007, 11:10:43 PM
Don't deny this but as I stated the process should have been laid out at the start.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: reddgnhand on January 16, 2007, 11:14:50 PM
I think this is the Ulster council's playing their get out card. They know there is nothing they can do regarding this matter. All college players were given the choice, some opted to play for the county some not. The Ulster council should apologise for disrupting Tyrone's preperation's for this weekend's game and we can all let the matter rest. ;)    
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: phpearse on January 17, 2007, 08:52:54 AM
From the Indo and possibly McGee:

Whether the presence of third level college teams in pre-season inter-county competitions improves anything is altogether a different matter.

It certainly hasn't done anything to please Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte who walked up the confrontation blank by playing four colleges players in last Sunday's Dr McKenna Cup clash with Derry.

"Bold boy," retorted the Ulster Council who had earlier ruled that colleges would have first call on their players in the McKenna Cup.

Not fair, argues Harte. Tyrone don't play challenge games so how can he judge whether players are up to county standard if he can't use them in McKenna Cup games? Besides, last Sunday's double-booked quartet opted to play for Tyrone rather than their colleges.

Harte insists that he put them under no pressure, although, in fairness to them, a call to county arms is an instruction in itself. After all, if you don't answer, you might not get a second one.

The Ulster Council can rightly contend that Tyrone signed up to the original deal and shouldn't attempt to amend it in mid-competition. Yes, but did Harte sign up? His sole responsibility is to prepare the Tyrone squad to the best of his ability - hence his desire to look at some fringe players this month.

My sympathies are with Harte on this one. Ultimately, he will be judged by how Tyrone fare this year, not by how accommodating he was to colleges. Winning the Sigerson Cup is the sole aim of third level colleges in all four provinces.

To that end, they are keen to boost their preparations by playing against inter-county teams in January. And what's in it for the counties? Absolutely nothing.

In fact, during his period as Galway manager, John O'Mahony withdrew the team from the FBD Connacht League on the basis that it was a pointless exercise when so many of his players were tied up with college teams.

Problems have also arisen in the O'Byrne Cup this year with Dundalk IT withdrawing from the competition altogether while DCU backed out of a Shield game last Sunday.

Of course if college teams want games in January, there is a solution. Why not alter the format of the Sigerson Cup so that teams are guaranteed more than one game? What would be regarded as far more conservative elements within the GAA have dropped the straight knock-out championship system at county level, yet the colleges insist on retaining the one-chance format in Sigerson.

Running

If the competitions were running now as part of the official GAA schedule (either in round robin or 'back door' format), county managers would have to accept that college players were unavailable for pre-season competitions.

However, that's not the case so why should counties have to facilitate colleges in what is purely preparatory work for Sigerson?

It's as simple as this: college and inter-county competitions should not be combined. And guess what? This year's experiences almost certainly means that it won't happen again - not in all provinces anyway.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 17, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
Tyrone charged over students saga

The Ulster Council has charged Tyrone with a breach of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup rules but Saturday's match against Cavan will go ahead. Initially, the Ulster Council opted on Tuesday evening to defer the game but this decision was later changed.
This followed an undertaking from Tyrone that the university players at the centre of the controversy would not be played in Saturday's game. However, the Tyrone county board will contest the Ulster Council charge.
The Ulster Council competition controls committee took the decision to charge Tyrone at specially convened meeting.
Competition rules state that colleges have first call on players.
It is not clear when the hearing to decide Tyrone's fate will take place.
Tyrone made it two wins from two outings in the McKenna Cup last Sunday when they defeated Derry but their attempt to retain the title has been placed in jeopardy by the ongoing Ulster Council probe.
Manager Mickey Harte has been on a collision course with the council since it emerged that a number of students had joined his squad, in spite of the council directive.
On Sunday at Healy Park he handed starting slots to the four players concerned, UUJ trio Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul, and Cathal McCarron of St Mary's.
Harte remained defiant over his decision to include the students, claiming they had made their own decisions to opt for the county squad.
One possible outcome is that the defending champions will be docked points for their controversial stance.
Tyrone will meet Cavan in the final and decisive Group B tie under lights at Breffni Park, with the winners set to go through to the semi-finals, although the section's outcome has now been thrown into doubt.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6269963.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: corn02 on January 17, 2007, 12:28:58 PM
Well that suggest that they will defeintely not be thrown out of the competition. I imagine they will have two  points deducted but with a good scoring average would they still qualify? (This is presuming they beat Cavan.)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 - Revenge of the Ulster Council.
Post by: realredhandfan on January 17, 2007, 01:36:31 PM
By the way the tight auld feckers wouldnt let the same lad in with crutches in this week without paying.  when informed by someone in my company for the crack that I had been let in last week for nothing the gateman replied that I should go see the man that let me in last week.  The days of the Grab all association look to have returned.   :D   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 17, 2007, 01:39:30 PM
Good stuff....
a game against a superpower like Tyrone is what this young Cavan team needs anyway....
Much more important than reaching the semi finals.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 17, 2007, 01:45:29 PM
Cavans going well this year, but if Tyrone beat ye will ye check that we dont have an average younger age...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: cavanmaniac on January 17, 2007, 05:38:50 PM
Cavans going well this year, but if Tyrone beat ye will ye check that we dont have an average younger age...

Eh? ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 17, 2007, 07:25:03 PM
What's the likelihood of the Ulster Council waiting until after the Cavan game and if Tyrone win it, then deciding to dock them 2 points?  Can't go too hard on us since Mickey has to take most of the credit for making it a worthwhile competiton now.  ;) 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 17, 2007, 07:28:08 PM
Can't go too hard on us since Mickey has to take most of the credit for making it a worthwhile competiton now.  ;) 

Are you fishing?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 17, 2007, 10:58:49 PM
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: MrC on January 18, 2007, 12:18:47 AM
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.


Perhaps the powers that be in Ulster are hoping Cavan beat them and Tyrone aren't best runners up so they don't qualify anyway.  ::)

Regardless, we'll beat them anyway Gaoth Dobhair  ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
The following video report from The Irish News gives some insight into Mickey Harte's thinking over the current saga.... Oh and some information on Brandy dog food...


http://www.irishnews.com/intv/sport11.html
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 18, 2007, 12:57:15 AM
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.


Perhaps the powers that be in Ulster are hoping Cavan beat them and Tyrone aren't best runners up so they don't qualify anyway. ::)

Regardless, we'll beat them anyway Gaoth Dobhair ;)

So you reckon Micky Harte did it on purpose to get disciplined and then avoid having to be humiliated by Donegal in the final MrC?   :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
Tyrone play the waiting game
18 January 2007

Tyrone County Board are to wait on official notification from the Ulster Council before they take any action over the row about the fielding of illegal players in the McKenna Cup.
"We won’t be doing anything about it until we get information from the Ulster Council and I don’t think we will be getting that until Friday," said Tyrone secretary Dominic McCaughey. “We’ll have to wait and see what they say. We’ve had nothing in writing yet."
Significantly the Tyrone official claimed there are no penalties in place to deal with the breach in the rules which Tyrone have been cited for.
"There is a need to draft regulations that everyone is happy with and to include penalties if there are breaches. The regulations are there at the moment but there are no penalties associated with them," added McCaughey.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71355

So we have broken (or infracted) the regulations but there's nothing you can do about it. (except meet, realise this, ask for a meeting with the parties concerned so as to be seen to be doing something, ask for the players concerned not to play in the next match which is handy so that they can then play with the U21's, meet with the parties concerned and assure everyone they have been given a severe warning, make sure this is done after team is out of or won competition, rewrite the regulations and penalties for next year.) 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2007, 12:33:27 PM
Jody Gormley has named his Antrim side to face UUJ in the last group game of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup.
1. Sean McGreevy
2. Conor McGoldrick
3. Colin Brady
4. Niall Ward
5. Chris Lynch
6. Gavin Bell
7. Sean McVeigh
8. Joe Quinn
9. Aodhan Gallagher
10. Tony Scullion
11. Kevin Brady
12. Hugh McKay
13. Ciaran Close (Capt.)
14. Michael McCann
15. Micheal Magill

Four Antrim players make their first starts of the competition – Conor McGoldrick comes in at corner back, and Tony Scullion, Hugh McKay and Michael Magill are all introduced into a re-arranged forward line.
The game against the students of UUJ takes place in Casement park on Sunday 21st January with a 2:00pm throw-in.
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=344

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 19, 2007, 12:50:35 PM
I fancy Tyrone to beat Cavan get docked 2 points and then go through on scoring difference or Cavan to beat Tyrone - they go through and Tyrone get docked 2 points.  its a tough one. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 19, 2007, 01:01:12 PM
realredhandfan....how did it take you to think of that outcome :o :o :o ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 19, 2007, 01:09:37 PM
about 10 hours.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 19, 2007, 01:17:10 PM
go on max, stick up yer fave picture
you know you want to and are itching to get a chance....
 :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 19, 2007, 02:43:37 PM
Anyone got the starting 15 for Monaghan or Armagh for Sunday?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tc_manchester on January 20, 2007, 06:29:12 PM
Does anyone know if the tyrone-cavan match is on the net anywhere - i've tried Northern Sound and Highland but there doesn't seem to be any coverage
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: sam03/05 on January 20, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
trying to find it on the net myself- this is a joke no coverage of the game at all. surely tg4 could have shown this game...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: sam03/05 on January 20, 2007, 06:43:37 PM

http://northernsound.ie/listen.php

there you go guys commentary isnt great but hey beggers cant be choosers
Tyrone winning by 3 after 10 minutes
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: sam03/05 on January 20, 2007, 06:50:57 PM
eh had to work big lad
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: tc_manchester on January 20, 2007, 06:54:43 PM
Aye,
   When ryanair start flying into Cavan from Manchester then I'll be there - I leave the brownie points for the National league
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 07:07:02 PM
trying to find it on the net myself- this is a joke no coverage of the game at all. surely tg4 could have shown this game...
Lads the game is Live in Breffni Park. Its only £7 in. You call yourselves fans, but you dont go to the games? FFS

Refuse to go until the programmes are better 5ive times ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 07:25:58 PM
could one of the listeners post a halftime score please
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
6-3 to Tyrone half time.

Still 8-6 to Tyrone. Ricey point - correction

Will update this after every score. Is that ok Uselessfootballer?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 20, 2007, 07:32:38 PM
Tyrone lead 0-7 to 0-5 into the 2nd half

Aidan McCarron 0-2, Paul Rouse 0-1 and Cavanagh 0-1 with some of the scores

Davy Harte, Colm Colhoun, Calvo, John Devine, NIall Gormley amongst those playing.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 07:46:13 PM
6-3 to Tyrone half time.

12-6 to Tyrone. Paul Rouse (0-5)

Tyrone defender gets the ball and "there's noone within an asses roar" near him. What a commentator?

Will update this after every score. Is that ok Uselessfootballer?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 20, 2007, 07:47:51 PM
NeverKickedaBalll, please post details of a win by Cavan.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 20, 2007, 07:49:19 PM
Reporter has just said 'free to be taken from 20 yards out, or 20 metres if you prefer.'

Which is it then?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Elias on January 20, 2007, 07:49:57 PM
Jesus this commentary is hard to listen to, marty morrisey, all is forgiven  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 07:52:57 PM
cheers NCAB, I've just got the link to work to the radio, from the sound of them big Rouse is having a good game
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 20, 2007, 07:53:46 PM
The other 'Kevin Hughes' has just come on?

Aye? Kelvin Hughes maybe!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 07:54:45 PM
Jesus this commentary is hard to listen to, marty morrisey, all is forgiven  :D

Yes and he can't read the difference between Kevin and Kevlin.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Elias on January 20, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
Don't be too harsh on him lads, he's obviously a lot of miles on the clock!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 08:00:18 PM
NeverKickedaBalll, please post details of a win by Cavan.
Commentator says; "Tyrone are going to win this game and there's no doubt in this wide world" His words not mine.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 08:01:45 PM
Don't be too harsh on him lads, he's obviously a lot of miles on the clock!
True enough Elias. He knows his stuff too. He's mentioned some names from the past. Cavan are playing "like the hammers of hell" Brilliant. Only 4 points in it!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 20, 2007, 08:05:25 PM
All over....Red Hands win by 0-14 to 0-10.

Don't think Tyrone have ever lost under lights  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Elias on January 20, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
Yeah like this gem "The first Ulster final was in Lisburn, How times have changed!!"

All over, Cavan had a late rally, but Tyrone had too much in the bag to let it slip 0-14 - 0 - 10 I think
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 08:08:47 PM
Yeah like this gem "The first Ulster final was in Lisburn, How times have changed!!"

All over, Cavan had a late rally, but Tyrone had too much in the bag to let it slip 0-14 - 0 - 10 I think

"Thanks be to God and his mother Mary no one has been injured" No rough stuff apart from the odd "nip and tuck".

Micheal O'Reilly - A Legend
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 08:11:29 PM
And the Ulster Council now have the perfect out from the Uni row, they can take 2pts from Tyrone and nothing changes, maybe a wee press release late on Tuesday night or so
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2007, 08:43:20 PM
Don't know if its been posted already, but the Donegal V Down game has been moved from McCumhaill Park to Ballyshannon.

http://www.sportsmanager.ie/t2.php?county_id=9&sport_id=1&countyid=9&sportid=1&newsstory=1&ID=798
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Cavan 0-10 0-14 Tyrone
Holders Tyrone sealed their place in the semi-finals of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup with a victory under the Breffni Park floodlights on Saturday. Tyrone built up a four-point lead in the opening 10 minutes, with Sean Cavanagh, Aidan McCarron, Christy Colhoun and Kelvin Hughes on target. It was 0-6 to 0-3 at the break, but Gerald Pierson's accuracy from placed balls helped close the gap to a point. However, Mickey Harte's men reasserted themselves to win by four.
Ryan McMenamin and Dermot Carlin gave the Red Hands a dynamic attacking impetus from the back and they cut loose.
Paul Rouse nailed on three points, Cavanagh hit a gem, and McMenamin also got in on the act with a cheeky effort as Tyrone went six clear with 10 minutes to play. Cavan did produce a late flourish, but there was never any doubt about the outcome.
Tyrone have won all three of the group games but their survival in the competition now rests with Ulster Council chiefs.
They have charged Tyrone with breaching competition rules by playing four student players against Derry.
The regulations state that college sides have first call on the students.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6281055.stm

Tyrone too strong for Cavan
Saturday, January 20
Tyrone 0-14 Cavan 0-10
Despite their off-field troubles, Tyrone marched to a four-point win over Cavan at Breffni Park on Saturday night despite poor weather conditions and a determined performance from their hosts. Cavan had hoped to catch the O'Neills on the hop and with former Fermanagh player Rory Gallagher getting his first start for his adopted county, felt confident of causing their guests some worries.
That they did, though Gallagher was largely anonymous and was replaced at half time, and while Tyrone moved steadily into a 0-4 to no score lead by the quarter-hour mark, Gerard Pierson played a key role in bringing Cavan back into the contest.
At the break, Tyrone led 0-6 to 0-3, but Pierson kicked two more points by the 39th minute to leave the minimum between the sides.
But Tyrone showed their class, digging deep and using possession effectively to go on another scoring spree, with Sean Cavanagh, Ryan McMenamin, Paul Roose and Ryan Melon amongst the scorers.
As full time loomed, Tyrone led 0-14 to 0-6, but a late surge by Cavan into injury time managed to put a warmer gloss on the scoreline.
http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=17232
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 20, 2007, 11:22:06 PM
Tyrone started off well in the Dr. McKenna Cup last year, but when it came to the summer, things went downhill. Yes, things are looking positive now, but I'm not going to get myself overly excited yet.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2007, 11:37:39 PM
Sludden who's the player at your club, looking for a place on Tyrone, who could mark Kieran Donaghy ? - The one fan spake is referring to in Gaelic Life?
Title: Cavan 0-10 Tyrone 0-14
Post by: Redhandfan on January 21, 2007, 02:05:32 PM
Another good showing from another new look Tyrone side in testing conditions at Breffni Park last night.  Cavan were certainly up for this contest but they made far too many mistakes and were not near as clinical as Tyrone in the forward department.  I made the point near the end of the game that Cavan looked a bit sluggish and appeared to lack a certain amount of fitness.  A Cavan man beside me agreed but said that his county had been training up to four times a week!!!  Either way, the Tyrone players were much sharper and looked in great shape for the time of year.

It was a strange type of contest.  Tyrone, despite winning very little clean possession at centrefield, led 0-6 to 0-1 midway through the first half.  The Red Hands kicked some super scores from play while Cavan were very wasteful at the other end.  Tyrone then went out of the game coming up to half-time and took a while to get going in the second half.  Cavan took full advantage and, with the help of some close-in frees, hauled themselves back into contention and looked as if they could overtake Tyrone in the early stages of the second half.  Cavan came very close to drawing level at this stage but, in typical fashion, Tyrone went on a scoring spree which killed the game off with still ten minutes left to play.  Mickey Harte's men kicked seven points in succession to lead 0-14 to 0-6 and it was only a late burst from Cavan which helped put a better gloss on the final scoreline. 

The Tyrone management will feel satisfied with this latest outing.  On a very heavy and slippery pitch, several of the new Tyrone players once again showed up very well.  Full forward Paul Rouse was my Man of the Match and should certainly have guaranteed himself a place in the squad for the NFL.  He was outstanding from start to finish, won just about everything that came his way and kicked a number of superb points from play.  It is early days yet but big Rouse could be a great asset to Tyrone this year.  Unfortunately, in what was generally a clean game, Cavan 'hard man' Nicholas Walsh came off the bench in the second half to take one of the Tyrone players out of it late in the match.  Mickey Harte was furious and, in a rare show of emotion, came onto the field to let the referee know what he thought of the tackle.  Walsh of course was responsible for splitting Peter Donnelly's nose off the ball in the opening McKenna Cup match at Breffni Park last year and was determined to do more harm against Tyrone last night.  He also went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees late in the game as well.  Walsh is of course a dreadfully poor footballer and it would appear that this is the only way he can make a name for himself.

Tyrone Player Ratings

John Devine...Safe and secure all through.  Made one excellent save in the second half.  7.5

Ryan McMenamin...A couple of stray passes in the first half but rose to the challenge well after the break. 7.5

Ciaran McCrory...Started off OK at full back but then struggled with Dermot McCabe's physicality.  Was shown a yellow card midway through the first half and was replaced by Cormac McGinley just before half-time.  6

Paul McGurk...Struggled again.  Seemed content to let his man get out to the ball first and was troubled by Larry Reilly's pace.  Was replaced by Dermot Carlin just before half-time.  5

Davy Harte...Defensively sound but did not get forward as much as he normally does.  7

Paul Quinn...Did not quite succeed in transferring his excellent club form onto the county scene.  Worked hard but did not always inspire a great deal of confidence.  6

Martin Penrose...Played well again in his new role at half back.  His marking was a lot tighter this time and he swept up a lot of loose possession close to his own goal.  7.5

Kelvin Hughes...Scored a fine point early in the game but didn't do anything else that was really eye-catching.  His lack of physical presence saw him struggle at centrefield and was replaced in the second half. 6

Sean Cavanagh...Not just as influential as he was in the previous two outings but still quietly effective. 7

Declan Treanor...Worked really hard and helped win a lot of possession for his side.  An aggressive performance from the Clarkes man but did not always use possession wisely.  7

Gerard Cavlan...Terrific in the first half.  His fielding and distribution was a major highlight.  However, he seemed to tire considerably after the break and faded out of the game somewhat.  7.5

Aidan McCarron...Kicked a tremendous point in Tyrone's early surge but did not feature all that much afterwards.  The half-forward role may not have suited him and he was another player to be replaced in the second half.  6

Niall Gormley...Another livewire display from the diminutive Trillick attacker.  Was first to the ball every time and roasted his marker with his turn of speed.  He deserved to score more.  8

Paul Rouse...Tyrone's most threatening forward and best player on the night.  Won almost every ball that came his way and used possession to great effect.  A star in the making?  9

Christy Colhoun...Scorer of a great point from play in the first half and began the game well.  He did not see a great deal of action after the break.  7

Cormac McGinley...Came on at full back just before half-time and proved more than a match for McCabe.  7.5
Dermot Carlin...Also entered the fray just before the break and helped steady Tyrone's defensive ship.  7
Colm Donnelly...Came on with about twenty minutes to go and showed a couple of good touches.  6.5
Ryan Mellon...Came on midway through the second half, kicked a neat point and steadied the midfield. 7
Kevin Hughes...Not on long enough to be rated!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: mylestheslasher on January 21, 2007, 02:37:32 PM
Redhandfan - So your not a big fan of Nicholas Walsh then?? There was a time of course when Tyrone were the dirtiest thugs in Ulster but many of your fans now suffer from selective amnesia. Anyway, I agree that Walsh goes to far in the physical side of things but he does have some ability and I think it is unfair to say he is "dreadfully poor". He has represented his country also and was good enough for Aussie rules people to bring him to Australia for trials.
Surely also, the angelic, Mickey Harte should not be infringing on the pitch no matter what the cause. Imagine if our manager Donal Keoghan (he of the multiple assault charges) went on to remonstrate with Mickey - it could have got ugly. Then Mickey is a law onto himself these days!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 21, 2007, 02:37:58 PM
Any match updates at half-time?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 02:40:32 PM
Thanks for your report RHF.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 21, 2007, 02:43:03 PM
Armagh 0-4 Monaghan 0-4 half-time

Donegal 2-5 Down 0-5
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 21, 2007, 02:49:39 PM
The only player acting like a tr**p in Breffini last night was Ryan McMenamin...... but thats nothing new there right?
as myles said
Nicko has represented and captained his country...Have you?
Title: RHF
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 21, 2007, 02:55:48 PM
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went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees

What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???  :o   ::)

Dorty!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Stranworst on January 21, 2007, 03:15:16 PM
Why is the BBC Website not giving latest scores on the matches today?

Also any idea why Down Donegal isn't on TG4?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 03:19:15 PM
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What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???

Eoghain Bradley.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 21, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
Why is the BBC Website not giving latest scores on the matches today?

They are always poor in giving the latest results
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 21, 2007, 03:21:09 PM
Anyone know the latest from UUJ/Antrim?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 21, 2007, 03:36:26 PM
RESULT

Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6

Donegal 2-11 Down 2-5
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: sam03/05 on January 21, 2007, 03:49:34 PM
does that mean Tyrone play Monaghan next??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Stranworst on January 21, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
Any word from how the universities are faring this afternoon?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 21, 2007, 03:58:08 PM
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does that mean Tyrone play Monaghan next??

Not jumping the gun a wee bit, sam?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 21, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
Yes, by my early reckoning, the semi-final line-up should be:

Donegal (section C winners) v Armagh (section A winners)
Tyrone (section B winners) v Monaghan (4th placed team)

Even if the Ulster Council stupidly decide to illegally deduct two points from Tyrone, the Red Hands would still top section B ahead of Cavan by virtue of superior score difference.

The big question this week will surround the date of Tyrone's semi-final clash.  It would be a bit unfair to say the least if the game was to go ahead next Sunday, as Mickey Harte and several of the Tyrone All-Stars would still be making their way home from the trip to Dubai.

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went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees

What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???  :o   ::)

Dorty!!

I will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one.  She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 21, 2007, 04:21:31 PM
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Even if the Ulster Council stupidly decide to illegally deduct two points from Tyrone, the Red Hands would still top section B ahead of Cavan by virtue of superior score difference.

Who says thats all they are going to do?

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went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees

What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???     

Dorty!!


I will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one.  She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!

Mystic Meg probably thought that 'going down' meant a trip to Dublin.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Stranworst on January 21, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
Just heard Queens beat by three
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 21, 2007, 04:31:00 PM
Jordanstown won by 6 points...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: holylandsniper on January 21, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
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He also went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees late in the game as well.

Wonder were he might have learned that one?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Programmes
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 21, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Went to Tempo this afternoon to watch Fermanagh and St Mary's. Found the game entertaining and guess what? The programme contained the Clubs of each player. Did other venues have the same? Fermanagh's were in irish while the students were in English. Must say I was impressed by the venue. Given the complaints about Irvinestown two weeks ago I'd say this was a big step up, although I'd say the dry weather helped. Nevertheless well done Tiompiu and the stewards. To cap it all both Ryan Keenan and Damien Kelly got themselves on the scoresheet. Match was a draw BTY. 1-7 to 0-10.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:08:49 PM
Does UUJ not go through ahead of Monaghan?

Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10

4 points and scoring diff of 16

UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4

4 points and diff of 17.

Or are my maths screwed?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 21, 2007, 07:12:57 PM
Does UUJ not go through ahead of Monaghan?

Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10

4 points and scoring diff of 16

UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4

4 points and diff of 17.

Or are my maths screwed?

UTV said UUJ went through Norf but BBC states Monaghan. You might be right. UUJ against Tyrone! Wouldn't that be interesting :-*
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 21, 2007, 07:24:08 PM
BBCi says Monaghan is through ahead of UUJ, but BBC WAP says UUJ is through.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:26:17 PM
Well if BBC state Monaghan that means it's definately UUJ.

That would be very interesting then...............
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 21, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
What I meant was Norf. One side of the BBC is saying Monaghan and the other side is of the BBC is saying UUJ.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 21, 2007, 07:30:33 PM
Well if BBC state Monaghan that means it's definately UUJ.
That would be very interesting then...............

Given their recent agreement Tyrone and the Ulster Council could probably come up with something for this match if it materialises. As Boggs et al will be on both team sheets maybe they could agree that Tyrone have them first half and the Poly could have them second half ... or vice versa.  8)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:33:30 PM
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McKenna Cup semi-final Tyrone v UUJ under lights at Omagh on Wednesday 7th February at 7.30pm

From the ever-reliabale Hoganstand.com
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 21, 2007, 07:35:45 PM
Doesn't the semi-final grounds have to be neutral?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 21, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
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McKenna Cup semi-final Tyrone v UUJ under lights at Omagh on Wednesday 7th February at 7.30pm
From the ever-reliabale Hoganstand.com

I think the other semi-final is there too next Sunday
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 21, 2007, 08:02:28 PM
You must be in the know, Border Fox!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Border Fox on January 21, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
Seemingly the Ulster council boyos announced UUJ v Tyrone, and only realised their mistake afterwards.

Unconfirmed - Monaghan v Tyrone is in Breffni Park, 13th February at 7:30pm - Unconfirmed
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Bogball XV on January 21, 2007, 09:02:32 PM
Seemingly the Ulster council boyos announced UUJ v Tyrone, and only realised their mistake afterwards.

Unconfirmed - Monaghan v Tyrone is in Breffni Park, 13th February at 7:30pm - Unconfirmed
So what was the mistake?  Are the poly not allowed to play in the semi?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 21, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
In Breffni?   Is that Tyrone's punishment from the Ulster Council?  Dragging us all the way to that bog?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 21, 2007, 09:44:23 PM
RTE gave it as Tyrone v UUJ  ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 09:54:11 PM
This is embarassing. No-one seems to know who is through to the semi's. Ulster website has nothing on it either, except for the fact that Tyrone beat Derry.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: mylestheslasher on January 21, 2007, 10:16:43 PM
Nicholas Walsh useless, Breffni a bog. Whats wrong with you whinging Tyrone fu*kers. I never thought I'd say this about another Ulster team, but I reckon i'd like to see you well beaten by anyone this year and wipe the smugness out of ye. Jesus, some of you would swear ye were some sort of GAA giant with yer 2 all-irelands and handfull of Ulsters. You should be thanking your lucky stars for the privelage of playing Ulsters oldest and most historic county ground.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 21, 2007, 10:26:50 PM
Nicholas Walsh useless, Breffni a bog. Whats wrong with you whinging Tyrone fu*kers. I never thought I'd say this about another Ulster team, but I reckon i'd like to see you well beaten by anyone this year and wipe the smugness out of ye. Jesus, some of you would swear ye were some sort of GAA giant with yer 2 all-irelands and handfull of Ulsters. You should be thanking your lucky stars for the privelage of playing Ulsters oldest and most historic county ground.
Nothing wrong with Breffini Myles. I'm quite impressed by it. It seems a good ground. It would appear Nicholas Walsh has some history with Tyrone supporters after his spat with Sean Cavanagh in the drawn Ulster Championship game in 2005. I'd travel happily to a match in Breffini anytime and will do in the future, however, for the McKenna Cup I would prefer a venue closer.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 22, 2007, 08:34:29 AM
what was the correct score from the Antrim UUJ match. after the game in clones the ulster Pro informed me the score was 14 pts to 1-08 thus leaving monaghan with a 2 point better scoring difference. But even at that they f**ked up their calaulations and gave the pairings as Armagh Donegal and Tyrone UUJ. The monaghan set-up all left clones thinking they where out of the competition and a text message was sent to all players at abt 8'o clock last night to inform them otherwise.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on January 22, 2007, 08:56:50 AM
From todyas Indo:
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Armagh prove too strong for Monaghan
Monday January 22nd 2007

Armagh 0-9

Monaghan 0-6

McKenna Cup

DESPITE fielding a largely experimental side Armagh still proved too strong for Monaghan in a keenly contested clash in Clones.

However, Monaghan still qualify as the best runner up, edging UUJ out by a fraction of a point on scoring averages. They now meet Tyrone.

This game was in the balance up until the final quarter at which stage the more experienced among the Armagh lineout took control with Steven McDonnell rattling over three unanswered points in the final eight minutes.

The sides were level at 0-4 apiece at half time and they were level five times in all although both had numerous chances to take a stronger grip with goal chances squandered at both ends.

In the end though it was the physically stronger Armagh who finished the better to book a semi-final place, coming form two points down after eleven minutes of the second half to win by three.

SCORERS - Armagh: S McDonnell 0-3 (2f), S Toner, P Toal (1f) 0-2 each, K Toner, JP Donnelly 0-1 each. Monaghan: T Freeman 0-2 (1f), P Finlay 0-2 (2f), D Freeman, R Woods 0-1 each.

ARMAGH - C McKinney; G McCreesh, E McNulty, P McCreesh; JP Donnelly, T McClelland, P Duffy; G Swift, K Toner; P Toal, M O'Rourke, K O'Rourke; S McDonnell, S Forker, N McSherry. Subs: A Mallon for P Duffy, S Toner for M O'Rourke, J O'Neill for N McSherry.

MONAGHAN - S Duffy; D Morgan, J Coyle, M Duffy; D Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay, V Corey; D McArdle, D Freeman, M Daly; T Freeman, R Woods, S Gollogly. Subs: G McEneaney for Duffy, JP Mone for Hughes, B McKenna for Daly, N Corrigan for Gollogly, E Duffy for McArdle.

REF - M Sludden (Tyrone).

Impressive UUJ sink Antrim UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ rattled off a comprehensive victory over Antrim at Casement Park yesterday to give themselves great boost ahead of the Sigerson Cup next month.

SCORERS - UUJ: P Cunningham 0-5 (4f), P Doherty 1-1, M Lynch 0-3 (1f), K Dyas 0-2, J Boyle, P Forker, C Conlon 0-1 each. Antrim: C Lynch 0-3 (1f), K Brady 1-0, P Logan 0-2 (2f), C Close 0-2 (2f), M McCann 0-1 (f).

UUJ - M McAlister; P Mooney, J Conlon, R Murray; K Dyas, P Donnelly, D Hughes; J Bradley, J Colgan; M Herron, J Boyle, P Doherty; P Cunningham, P Downey, M Lynch. Subs: C Conlon for Downey (48), C Farrell for Boyle (54), P Forker, for Cunningham (62), D Lavery for Herron (62), E McConville for Hughes (69).

ANTRIM - S McGreevey; C McGoldrick, S McVeigh, N Walsh; C Lynch, G Bell, D Gault; J Quinn, A Gallagher; T Scullion, K Brady, H McKay; C Close, M McCann, M Magill. Subs: L Higgins for Gault (20), P Logan for McKay (ht), O McAteer for Quinn (42), G Galway for Gallagher (60), P Close for Magill (65)

REF - B Toland (Derry).

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Title: Redhandfan
Post by: realredhandfan on January 22, 2007, 09:38:56 AM
Interesting observation Redhandfan on the cavan match.  I think you are a litle kind to walsh though,  I'd love to see Big Sean stretch him.  Theres only so much a man could take.  Seans termperament is probably the best in Ireland.  I heard D Harte was stretchered off?
"His lack of physical presence saw him struggle at centrefield and was replaced in the second half. 6"
The one think Kelvin lacks is a lack of a lack of physical presence. :)
From a supporters point of view its great to hear your high rating for Mellon, I think he has been struggling for form for over a year now and will be under pressure to retain a squad number.  Id like to see some consistency return.
Who marked the big cavan midfielder Mc cabe, Hughes or Cavanagh.  I see he was eventually switched to full forward.  Im disappointed to hear a poor rating for Quinn, I have high hopes for him this year,  but like everybody he'll need a few decent chances. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 22, 2007, 09:41:38 AM
I didnt know sludden is now refereeing inter county.  Thank god he's from our county as I wouldnt want him refereeing a game Tyrone were involved in.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 22, 2007, 09:43:47 AM
Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6                6/9    = 0.6667
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11           22/11 = 2
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10         13/5   = 2.6
                               Total scoring Average = 5.266

UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8                        17/11 =1.5454
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6                         22/9   = 2.4444
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4                        7/9     = 0.7777
                               Total scoring Average = 4.7675
              
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: parttimeexile on January 22, 2007, 09:45:48 AM
It said on the radio this morning that tyrone were playing donegal in the semi final of the Mc kenna cup.Is that right?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 22, 2007, 09:46:49 AM
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I didnt know sludden is now refereeing inter county.  Thank god he's from our county as I wouldnt want him refereeing a game Tyrone were involved in.


He was a disaster yesterday, I'm not saying he was at fault for our defeat we only have ourselfs to blame for that taking too much out of the ball, failure to take our scores and being uncompetive in mid-field was the problem
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Mid Mon on January 22, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
Yesterdays program had winner group A (Armagh) vrs winner group C (Donegal), Winner Group B (Tyrone) vrs 4th place team (Monaghan)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Border Fox on January 22, 2007, 10:34:28 AM
From wrong calculation of scoring differences to dragging supporters to Breffni on a Tuesday evening to failing to deal with Mickey Harte's condescending atttitude - conclusion: Ulster Council is a joke
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 22, 2007, 10:59:45 AM
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I will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one.  She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!

You must think I'm mad...we can't talk about football at all, I'm allowed to ask who did well for yas today?...thats it!  ;D

I'll maybe travel with ya for the semi's!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: cavanmaniac on January 22, 2007, 02:57:24 PM
In Breffni?   Is that Tyrone's punishment from the Ulster Council?  Dragging us all the way to that bog?

Some people have fairly come up in the world since 2003 alright... ::)
Title: Donegal 2-11 Down 0-11
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on January 22, 2007, 03:56:42 PM
A very promising performance by a mixture of new and old in the green and gold yesterday at a windless Park in Ballyshannon.There were county debuts for Paddy mc Conagely and Brendan Mc Dyre.The game also saw season starts for Ciaran Bonner,Michael Hegarty,Tommy Donoghue,brendan Devenney and Adrian Sweeney.The first half display was sharp and incisive with some fine points by Dev and thompson.indeed the game could have been out of sight for Down had Donegal taken more than their two goal chances.The off the ball running and quick early ball into our FF line tore the Down defence ragged at times.
Dev had one of those early season stormers that in previous years has flattered to deceive and along with Hegarty kicked some accuirate passes throughout.We led by 6 points at half time.Typically,a Donegal charachteristic of taking the foot off the pedal appeared for the first 20 minutes of the second half allowing Down to come within two points of us.This was thru the free taking of Barry Doran at roughly the same position and distance (40m) every time.It seemed that every time a Down lad fell to earth in that area of the field a free was rewarded.some of the frees were fairly soft and slightly soured the ref Derry's Aidan Mc Alynn's performace in the eyes of the Donegal support.Speaking of support there were maybe a dozen Mourne people all told.
Full marks to Aodh Ruadh ground staff for getting the pitch playable and hopefully by the time the Dubs arrive in the league they'll have sorted out how to work the tape machine for the national anthem.

Positives were the early ball into a dynamic FF line,Devenney's display and Michael Hegarty's passing

Negatives Not putting the nail in the Down coffin after half time

Michael Boyle 7.0 Good accurate kick outs although conceded one point when ball popped over from his outstretched hands.

Barry Dunnion 7.0 Had it tough man marking a speedy corner forward and is much more at home on the wing.Kept at it and intercepted on numerous occasions.

Paddy Campbell 6.0 Poor game and suffered early knock that did'nt help.Only caight one clean ball against a big awkward FF and failed to get out in front.

Paddy Mc Conagely 6.5 Shaky enough start but became more confident as game progressed.Guilty of overcarrying at times but made a couple of forays in second half.

Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Solid and did the covering back well with lots of possession

Barry Monaghan 7.5 Started at centre half before switching to midfield at half time.Actually played better in midfield whilst Cass switched back.is exceptionally strong in breaking the tackle and showed his experience.

Frank Mc Glynn 7.5 We have a surfeit of excellent half backs and the Glenfin man was the pick of the defense.

Kevin Cassidy 7.0 Robust but still seems to be more comfortable at half back.Struggled to gain clean possession but always willing himself on the line in a congested miodfield.

Ciaran Bonner 7.5 Picked up from last year with an all action display and ran Devenney close for MOTM

Brendan Mc Dyre 5.5 Game passed the young Glenties man by but hopefully can improve.

Michael Hegarty 7.5 This is how he should play on a consistent basis.easily our best firward in delivering quality ball into the FF line.

Brian Roper 6.5 Captain for the day but not as energetic as previous games.Still contributed in winning ball and doing the basics well

Brendan Devenney 8.5 Star performance from the off and should have ended with 1-9 however 6 points and a penalty earned was a great return.

Adrian Sweeney 7.0 Again another sharp performance.Still can receive the ball in tight situations and lay off to oncoming forwards.Executed penalty as per but still guilty of missing easy free from the hands.

Leon Thompson 7.5 Ended great move in first half with clinical goal.seems to have early understanding with Dev.Could have had ahatrick of goals but for the keeper and last ditch defending.

Subs:
Rory Kavanagh 6.0 Looked disinterested and off the pace.Fouled close in when about to pull the trigger to earn a pointed free.

Christy Toye 7.0 Much livlier than last week and more at home on the wing.Kicked point to end game as contest.

Kevin Mc Menamin 6.5 Really needs to marry some pace to his undoubted skill to have a chance of breaking into 15 for league.

Joe Friel 6.0 Did,nt add much to midfield sector and really needs to up the ante if he's to secure a league place.

Ryan Bradley 7.0 Tackled well and harried constantly for the short time he was on and another fine point with the left foot.A young footballer with a point to prove.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on January 23, 2007, 11:30:32 AM

A Very disappointing second half showing from queens on sunday after outplaying derry in the opening period.

joe diver and gilligan had good games for the oak leafers, but only gerard o'kane produced any sort of decent football for the college over the 70 minutes.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 23, 2007, 02:38:46 PM
The Tyrone -v- Monaghan semi-final has been put on hold until Tuesday 13th February under floodlights at Breffini Park (1930 GMT). Mickey Harte and several Tyrone players are involved in this week's All Star Trip to Dubai and won't return home until next Sunday.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
Full report of Tyrone v Cavan at the "flashy" Tyronegaa website below:

http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=282

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup

Cavan 0-10 Tyrone 0-14
Match Day 3 2007

McKenna Cup holders Tyrone qualified for the semi finals as group winners following this four point success over previously unbeaten Cavan at Kingspan Breffini Park on Saturday evening.

It was a contest that Tyrone never looked like losing after establishing a four point lead early on. The hosts did battle back to within a point in the early stages of the second period but then Tyrone enjoyed their best spell of the game as they reeled of seven points without reply to put the issue beyond doubt. Newcomers Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Christopher Coulhoun all played their part in the win with Gerald Cavlan making a welcome return to action with a man of the match performance.

Good work at the back from Keith Fannin and Martin Cahill prevented Tyrone from taking an early lead although it was the Breffini men who had the first attempts at the posts with Larry Reilly and Rory Gallagher both off target. In the sixth minute Tyrone opened the scoring when Captain Sean Cavanagh converted a forty three metre free after he had been fouled himself. The same player was then of target moments later from another long range free before Aiden McCarron doubled their advantage with a superb score from the left wing following good work from Gerald Cavlan, Declan Treanor and Paul Rouse. By the tenth minute Tyrone were three points to the good following a well taken Christopher Colhoun point and when Gerald Cavlan picked out Kelvin Hughes with a superb cross field pass the midfielder made it 0-4 to 0-0.

It was all Tyrone at this stage and they should have added to their tally but both Aiden McCarron and Declan Treanor dropped efforts short into the arms of Cavan keeper Eoghan Elliot while Paul Rouse shot wide after a sharp turn. Cavan eventually got of the mark in the 18th minute when Gerald Pearson converted a thirty metre free from the left wing after he had been fouled himself but almost immediately Tyrone responded with a well taken Declan Treanor point after he received a pass from Niall Gormley. Both sides then missed chances while Ciaran McCrory was alert to read a dangerous situation and clear his lines. Good interchange play between Christopher Coulhoun and Paul Rouse saw the former fouled on route to goal and Aidan McCarron made no mistake from the resulting twenty metre free. Gerald Pearson converted a thirteen metre free for Cavan before he was off target from play after being put under pressure by Ciaran McCrory. It took Cavan thirty one minutes to get their first point from play when Dermot McCabe split the posts and that reduced the arrears at the break to three, 0-6 to 0-3.

Paul Rouse was off target for Tyrone in the opening seconds of the second half and it was Cavan who drew first blood when Gerald Pearson tapped over a thirty metre free following a foul on Dermot McCabe. Cormac McGinley made a couple of timely interceptions as the Tyrone defence came under pressure, Gerald Pearson on target again from another placed ball in front of the posts. In the fifth minute Tyrone responded with a brilliant score that was began by Davy Harte and involved Gerald Cavlan and Dermot Carlin twice before Sean Cavanagh finished it of. Nine minutes into the second half the margin was down to the minimum again after Ryan McMenamin was penalised for a foot block and Gerald Pearson made no mistake from the thirteen metre free. That was as good as it was to get for Cavan though as Tyrone took over to play their best football of the contest. Davy Harte, Cormac McGinley, Dermot Carlin and Gerald Cavlan were involved in a move down the right wing which resulted in the latter putting a superb ball into the path of Ryan McMenamin who cut in along the end line to fist an inspirational point.

Another superb Gerald Cavlan pass picked out Ryan McMenamin again and this time the Dromore man played the ball out for Paul Rouse to split the posts. Tyrone were now clearly in the ascendancy and from the next kick out Sean Cavanagh won possession before placing substitute Colm Donnelly for a point. The Cavan defence were coming under increasing pressure and Paul Rouse found the target again following a Niall Gormley assist. With ten minutes of normal time left to play Tyrone were leading by double scores 0-12 to 0-6 after Paul Rouse turned to hit his third point of the night. Cavan pressed forward but they left themselves open at the back and they almost conceded a goal, Christopher Coulhoun blasting over the bar after Gerald Cavlan had once again been involved in the build up. In the 32nd minute substitutes Colm Donnelly and Ryan Mellon combined for the Moy man to hit his side’s last score of the game.

Cavan were trailing by eight points with nothing but pride at stake but they finished strongly to half that deficit. Halfbacks Mark McKeever and Jonathan Crowe combined for the latter to score before substitute Jason O’Reilly knocked over two close in frees in as many minutes. In the third minute of injury time Cavan almost got in for a goal but substitute Cian Mackey’s rasping drive was brilliantly tipped over the bar by Tyrone keeper John Devine as Tyrone ran out four point winners on a 0-14 to 0-10 score line. That sets them up for a semi final clash with Monaghan as they bid to take another step closer to a fourth McKenna Cup title in a row, the Oriel County ironically the only side to beat Tyrone in this competition during Mickey Harte’s reign when they won the 2003 final.


Cavan – Eoghan Elliot, Anthony Forde, Keith Fannin, Martin Cahill, Jonathan Crowe, Mark McKeever, Paul Brady, Lorcan Mulvey, Dermot McCabe, Martin Reilly, Sean Brady, Michael Cunningham, Larry Reilly, Gerald Pearson, Rory Gallagher. Subs – Eamon Reilly for Rory Gallagher, Nicholas Walsh for Sean Brady, Jason O’Reilly for Larry Reilly, Cian Mackey for Martin Reilly, Michael McDonald for Lorcan Mulvey

Tyrone – John Devine, Paul McGurk, Ciaran McCrory, Ryan McMenamin, Davy Harte,  Paul Quinn, Martin Penrose, Kelvin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Declan Treanor, Gerald Cavlan, Aiden McCarron, Niall Gormley, Paul Rouse, Christopher Coulhoun. Subs – Cormac McGinley for Ciaran McCrory, Dermot Carlin for Paul McGurk, Colm Donnelly for Kelvin Hughes, Ryan Mellon for Aiden McCarron, Kevin Hughes for Martin Penrose

Cavan scorers – Gerald Pearson 0-5, Jason O’Reilly 0-2, Jonathan Crowe 0-1, Dermot McCabe 0-1, Cian Mackey 0-1
Tyrone scorers – Paul Rouse 0-3, Christopher Coulhoun 0-2, Aiden McCarron 0-2, Sean Cavanagh 0-2, Colm Donnelly 0-1, Kelvin Hughes 0-1, Ryan Mellon 0-1, Ryan McMenamin 0-1, Declan Treanor 0-1

 Referee – Seamus McGonagle

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 24, 2007, 04:47:13 PM
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Tyrone have lost their points from the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup win over Derry but it will not affect their place in the semi-finals of the competition.

The Ulster Council took the points away on Tuesday night after deeming that Tyrone had broken competition rules by fielding four university players.

Despite the ruling, Mickey Harte's side will still play Monaghan in the semi-finals on 13 February.

Armagh's Paddy McKeever also received a month's suspension at the meeting.

McKeever received a straight red card late in the game in the McKenna Cup win over Fermanagh.

The Ulster Council meeting also rescinded a 48-week ban on Donegal hurling club Setanta.

The ban had been imposed because Setanta had refused to provide information over an incident at a recent game.

A match official was assaulted in the Ulster Division Two final between Setanta and Castleblayney.

Setanta appealed against the decision and the Central Appeals Committee ruled on the matter.

Last weekend, Mickey Harte said the county would put up a strong defence of their decision to play four students players against Derry.

Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul plus St Mary's Cathal McCarron defying the Ulster Council directive.

"We still believe what we did was right and proper and we will be defending that as far as we need to," said Harte.

"We are here to play football and to enhance the competition.

"This is a great time to have competitive matches. It is a good springboard for the National League.

"There is a big game coming up against Dublin in Croke Park and we need to be ready for that."

Tyrone's four-point success away to Cavan on Saturday night made it three wins out of three in the McKenna Cup on the field.

Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6295781.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 24, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
After the results on the feild over the w/e it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that this is the action the Ulster Council would take. They can now claim to be all tough and decisive whilst their action means nothing.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 24, 2007, 05:01:39 PM
Only fair to let the lads play for their county from now on doodes
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 24, 2007, 06:35:17 PM
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They can now claim to be all tough ........   
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Indeed they can't!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: David McKeown on January 24, 2007, 06:43:27 PM
What I can't understand is if Tyrone were docked two points, why werent they also docked their scoring average from the game?   Docking their scoring average I believe would have resulted in them failing to make the knock out stage. Why have Tyrone still been allowed to benefit from the rule breaking?  In my opinion Tyrone either shouldnt have been penalised at all or should have been removed from the competition. This half way house is something I can see coming back to hurt the Ulster council later in the year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 24, 2007, 07:15:44 PM
Also Hickey Marte says he would do the same thing again. Not much of a punishment then eh?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 24, 2007, 07:18:36 PM
How could they punish Tyrone? They single-handly revived the Dr. McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2007, 07:44:36 PM
Yes, in fact it should be renamed the Dr Tyrone Cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: armaghniac on January 24, 2007, 08:23:48 PM
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They single-handly revived the Dr. McKenna Cup.

their main contribution to the GAA, in fact.

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Yes, in fact it should be renamed the Dr Tyrone Cup.

or perhaps the Tyrone doctored cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 24, 2007, 11:00:20 PM
I am usually pro-Mickey Harte, but surely this has now prooven to be an extremely detrimental course of action with respect to the 4 'college' lads. Instead of getting 3 games with their university, they have got 2 for their County!
I take they will not be permitted to playin the remaining games.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 24, 2007, 11:13:27 PM
I am usually pro-Mickey Harte, but surely this has now prooven to be an extremely detrimental course of action with respect to the 4 'college' lads. Instead of getting 3 games with their university, they have got 2 for their County!
I take they will not be permitted to playin the remaining games.



They only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them!  ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 24, 2007, 11:15:22 PM
They had a choice, wasn't as if they were forced onto the Tyrone team.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 25, 2007, 09:48:25 AM
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They only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them!


Sorry for the typo, I meant 1.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
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They only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them!
Sorry for the typo, I meant 1.

Don't be worrying Norf. You're in good company. Gaelic Life does it all the time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 25, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
Mickey Harte will be proved right in relation to the "University Four".  Tis better that they played one McKenna Cup game for the Master Harte than three McKenna Cup games for miserable Mickey Moran and bitter Paddy Tally.

The Tyrone manager did what he had to do for the good of the County squad.  Fair play to him.

By the way, I am touched by the concern shown towards the "University Four" by Armagh poster Goats Do Shave.  I wonder will he be brave enough to repeat his comments the next time he visits Drumlee!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 26, 2007, 10:22:21 AM
I believe all of them lads wanted and preferred to try out for their county end of.. Its not about the polytechniques.  its about whats good for Tyrone football.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 26, 2007, 10:30:18 AM
I've already expressed my concerns in that part of the world!  ;)

Just because Micky Harte is proclaimed as the saviour of The McKenna Cup, doesn't mean he should be allowed to destroy it again!!??

If all the counties followed suit, the universities would provide no competiton for the inter county teams, thus removing the McKenna cup's new found glamour & removing a decent platform to test fringe squad players & potential new panelists.

I admire your support of Micky Harte all the same! It'll be some joke if any of the 4 lads don't now make the Tyrone panel, & are consequently dropped from their uni sigerson squad!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 26, 2007, 11:11:59 AM
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& are consequently dropped from their uni sigerson squad!

anyone good enough to pull on the red hand jersey wont have to worry about a sigerson place
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 26, 2007, 11:41:30 AM

Does that include u21s?

I Guarantee there will be tyrone (and other county) players warming the bench come sigerson time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 26, 2007, 12:09:44 PM
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I Guarantee there will be tyrone (and other county) players warming the bench come sigerson time

Warming the bench is inclusion in the squad in any man's language.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: MrC on January 26, 2007, 12:24:45 PM
Has the Armagh team for Sunday been named yet?

The Donegal team won't be named until just before throw-in, due to a couple of injury concerns.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on January 26, 2007, 12:33:11 PM

My assumption is that any county player worth his salt, certainly the exalted tyrone county players, would regard a place on their Sigerson team as a starting place....
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 26, 2007, 03:38:37 PM
My point would be that if Paddy Tally is as "bitter" as some would lead us to believe....then what's to stop him not including young McCarron...due to his apparant snub in this comp, to his uni - just to be "bitter"?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: stew on January 26, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
Mickey Harte will be proved right in relation to the "University Four".  Tis better that they played one McKenna Cup game for the Master Harte than three McKenna Cup games for miserable Mickey Moran and bitter Paddy Tally.

The Tyrone manager did what he had to do for the good of the County squad.  Fair play to him.

By the way, I am touched by the concern shown towards the "University Four" by Armagh poster Goats Do Shave.  I wonder will he be brave enough to repeat his comments the next time he visits Drumlee!


Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!

Hypocrite.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 27, 2007, 09:37:23 PM
Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!

Hypocrite.

stew, your ludicrous posts would suggest that Mr Houlahan was not the only man to get his head stamped on during a game.  Who were you playing for at the time....Longstone F.C.?

I wish you would also show the ex-Armagh All-Star some respect by spelling his name correctly.  It is the least the man deserves after years of great service to the Orchard County.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 28, 2007, 12:23:25 AM
Right lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???

I think it will be a tight low scoring game, Dun na nGall to shave it by two points!  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 28, 2007, 02:36:08 PM
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Right lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???

Based on the referee's first half performance he obviously has a side bet on Armagh! lol!  HAs to be the worst refereeing display I've seen this year!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 28, 2007, 02:44:55 PM
Some unreal decisions.  Very erratic refereeing and consistently inconsistent.  Is it any wonder players get frustrated when you see the like of this?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: J70 on January 28, 2007, 03:42:25 PM
I could only listen on Highland, but it sounded like Donegal made hard work of that! Will many of those Armagh players be close to a starting spot?

On the bright side, McMenamin did well.

Was Cassidy's tackle that bad?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 28, 2007, 03:53:29 PM
Right lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???

I think it will be a tight low scoring game, Dun na nGall to shave it by two points!  ;D

Well done mate. Hit the nail on the head there!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on January 28, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Now, no gloating.

Anyhow, onto the National League now.

Title: Donegal v Armagh
Post by: Redhandfan on January 28, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
A very competitive game for the time of year, but the refereeing was absolutely atrocious. 

Despite the result, I still think Joe Kernan will be much happier than Brian McIver.  Most of Donegal's big guns appeared on the field of play at some stage in this contest but they still struggled to beat a barely recognisable Armagh outfit.  Peadar Toal looks as if he could certainly be one of the new faces who could command a regular place on the Armagh starting fifteen this season and that big ginger fella (McClelland, I think you call him) could well be the next Francie Bellew. 

If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's second string side today, what chance do they have overturning a full strength Armagh team in the summer?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Tyrones own on January 28, 2007, 04:29:31 PM

  How long did Donegal play with 14 men?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Redhandfan on January 28, 2007, 04:31:48 PM
Cassidy was sent off with about 20 minutes of normal time still to play.  It was a very harsh decision to issue him with a second yellow.  The referee was brutal today.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 28, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
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If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's second string side today....
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More like their third string! I agree that Joe will be the happier tonight. From what was on view for Armagh, I was impressed by Peadar Toal although I hear that he isn't dependable which is a pity. Of the rest I'd expect to see more of C McKinney, P Duffy, Enda of course (tenacious as ever), maybe Tony McClelland, Gareth Swift and Mal Mackin. JP Donnelly (still a liability) will also probably get Joe's vote.
It would have been nice to have stolen it today.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 28, 2007, 05:53:53 PM
And for my next trick... wednesdays lottery numbers will be....................  ;)

Well done Donegal, a bit of goodsportsmanship would be nice from the posters on this board, bad referee, neither side at full strength, weather not great, NFL starting next week, alot of factors, but if anyone who tells me that Big Joe put out a THIRD string FFS get a life, also do youse eejits think that Kernan didn't want to win the game or thought any less of the competition, if so then why did he bother trying to play a side to win the other matches!!!
Credit where credit's due the better team won on the day and with 14 men!!!  >:(

Title: Re: Donegal v Armagh
Post by: J70 on January 28, 2007, 05:59:52 PM
A very competitive game for the time of year, but the refereeing was absolutely atrocious. 

Despite the result, I still think Joe Kernan will be much happier than Brian McIver.  Most of Donegal's big guns appeared on the field of play at some stage in this contest but they still struggled to beat a barely recognisable Armagh outfit.  Peadar Toal looks as if he could certainly be one of the new faces who could command a regular place on the Armagh starting fifteen this season and that big ginger fella (McClelland, I think you call him) could well be the next Francie Bellew. 

If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's second string side today, what chance do they have overturning a full strength Armagh team in the summer?

As with last year against Down, I don't think we should bother turning up! :P

Seriously though, and obviously we'll know a little more after the league, in Ballybofey I'd say we've a good chance. McGrane's goal and Hearty's late save were all that separated the teams last season. Apart from the 2004 Ulster Final (when the players got carried away after beating Tyrone) and the 2005 replay indiscipline disgrace, the games have usually been fairly tight, although Armagh have generally looked like they're just that wee bit too good for Donegal. Despite the appearance of a few veteran Donegal players today, I don't know how many of them will play against Armagh in the championship. The likes of Roper and Adrian Sweeney didn't feature too much last year, while Hegarty and Toye didn't cover themselves in glory last year either, so the opportunities may be there for others. McIver went with a lot of youth last season, so I can't see him completely reverting back to the boys who were coasting a bit in the last days under McEniff. Finding a midfield partner for Neil Gallagher and reasonably settled forward six should the main aim for the league, along with avoiding relegation to Division 3. We said the same things this time last year though!

Anyway, I think Donegal were in a no-win situation today given Armagh's experimentation. Avoiding defeat and getting decent games from the likes of McMenamin, Donoghue and Cassidy (at midfield) were probably the main aims. Its was a scrappy McKenna Cup game in January with a shite referee, and it will be forgotten in a few days. And maybe Armagh's "third-string" players are not that bad!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: stew on January 28, 2007, 07:11:16 PM
Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!

Hypocrite.

stew, your ludicrous posts would suggest that Mr Houlahan was not the only man to get his head stamped on during a game.  Who were you playing for at the time....Longstone F.C.?

I wish you would also show the ex-Armagh All-Star some respect by spelling his name correctly.  It is the least the man deserves after years of great service to the Orchard County.

Redhandfan, my post does not suggest that Mr Houlihan was the only man ever to get his head stamped on, I merely highlighted the fact that you gloated about it on the old board and I thought that was disgusting and cowardly of you.

I was playing for Longstone at the time though.

As for Houlie's name, yep I got the spelling wrong, you got me.

Did you ever kick a ball in your life or are you happy being an administrative pencil pusher?????
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 28, 2007, 07:25:14 PM
From a Tyrone perspective I'm glad Armagh got thru and providing Mickey Harte's young pups can get thru againt Monaghan it will be interesting to see them up against Kernan's cubs in the final as I'm sure both managers will give youth a chance to see how they fair against each other rather than fielding their best team of established players.  Donegal were even-money today and I had a good wager on them, so at lest I have a bit to blow against the Dubs next weekend.   :-\

What the hell are you on about chief?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 28, 2007, 07:31:02 PM
Lol.  Sorry about that.  Don't post after drinking................
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 28, 2007, 07:49:19 PM
Donegal win scrappy McKenna semi 
 
Donegal edged out youthful Armagh 0-9 to 0-7 in Sunday's scrappy Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-final at Healy Park.
Brian McIver's side led by 0-4 to 0-0 after 13 minutes with the impressive Kevin McMenamin hitting three points.
However, three Peadar Toal points helped Armagh fight back with five unanswered scores before half-time.
Donegal ended 31 minutes without a score to regain the lead and they held on to win despite the dismissal of Kevin Cassidy for two yellow cards.
McMenamin emphasised his status as Donegal's main find during the McKenna Cup by hitting the opening three scores of the game and Hegarty's neat finish then extended McIver's side lead to four points by the 13th minute.
However, Donegal's periodic problem of over-elaboration then began to set in and midfielder Joe Friel's over-carrying enabled Peadar Toal to open Armagh's account in the 22nd minute.
Toal then hit two fine points from play to cut Donegal's lead to the minimum and injury-time scores from Gareth Swift and Kevin O'Rourke left Joe Kernan's side with an unlikely half-time advantage.
The main talking point of the first half was Cassidy's vigorous challenge which led to the enforced departure of Armagh's Paul Duffy.
The Armagh management were extremely unhappy with Cassidy's attempted shoulder but referee Barry Toland didn't feel that it warranted a booking although the Donegal player did pick up his first yellow card later in the half for another challenge.
Donegal, playing with the wind, ended their long scoreless spell when Brendan Devenney notched his first score of the game with a 38th-minute free.
They regained their lead a minute later when McMenamin finished off the move of the game to swing over a fine point.
Armagh levelled two minutes later when Stephen Faulkner pointed after Joe Friel had been caught in possession in his own defence.
Devenney, close marked by Enda McNulty for the most part, finally showed his attacking skills in the 45th minute when he superb run set up a point for Brian Roper with the substitute's goal attempt going inches over the crossbar.
Cassidy got his early bath in the 53rd minute after a harsh second booking.
However, Armagh's man advantage wasn't in any way obvious during the remainder of the game as Joe Kernan's young side appeared to run out of steam. Devenney swung over a wind-assisted free to extend Donegal's lead to two with five minutes left.
Armagh sub Barry McKevitt cut Donegal's lead to a point in the first minute of injury-time but McMenamin's fourth score of the game was the final kick of the game.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6307631.stm

Paul Duffy looked to have injured his left shoulder after Cassidy's vigorous challenge and was taken to hospital.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Armagh Exile on January 28, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ziggysego on January 28, 2007, 07:59:38 PM
Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.


The way he was holding his head as he left the pitch, I suspected that.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 28, 2007, 08:15:59 PM
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Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.

Bloody painful injury and not much you can do with it other than sit still.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 28, 2007, 08:29:24 PM
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Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.

Can't remember, but was this the result of a late tackle or did it happen in open play?  I mentioned earlier about the inconsistency of the referee but it must say that the number of late tackles in the game, some pulled up on and others let go, were unreal.  I suppose the players must take most responsibility for this.  But why in the modern game do most 'hard' tackles merit a blank or a yellow card?  Cassidy made a legitimate tackle and was sent off for it.  It wasn't even a foul?  Please explain.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 28, 2007, 08:46:35 PM
Anyone notice John Mc Cluskey 'lurking' behind Joe Kernan and John Rafferty.  I'm not sure how much input he had when Grimley was there but he looked lost.  Anyone else notice this?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Armamike on January 28, 2007, 11:28:37 PM
I was very happy with the Armagh performance today, given that the line up was unrecognisable as an Armagh team. It's not meant to be disrespectful to Donegal posters on here but that WAS our third string!  I thought Armagh's best performers were Toal, McClelland, Donnelly and Swift.  The McCreeshs did well at the back too.  Toal has that bit of class and scoring potential about him that we could really do with in the forward line this year and if he keeps the level of workrate up that he has shown in the last couple of games then he should be able to nail a starting spot. If he had got a better supply of ball in the second half he would have been able to do a lot more damage.  I don't think there are too many individual star performers among those lads but in the last few games they have shown a remarkable level of composure, confidence and maturity in their play for guys who are mostly in the 19/20 age bracket. Played well as a unit too. 

Armagh's line up for the first few league games is going to be interesting! The university players will be back but none of those lads are regulars themselves.  The growing injury list and the absence of the Cross contingent will mean another experimental line up for the early games. I hope we can salvage some points early on and hang in there until the cavalry arrives later on.


 
Title: From a Donegal perspective
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on January 29, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
The record books will show that we bucked the hoodoo and finally beat Armagh and yes I know they were a 2nd string,reserves,hell some of them were probably playing for the Armagh U16 development squad only last week but a win is a win.Hopefully this can give the team confidence for May 27th.
                                                         I have to say that there were a lot of cocky Armagh supporters leaving Healy Park yesterday safe in their belief that the 'A-Team' will have no bother of disposing of us come the championship.Form during the Mc Kenna Cup can not be equated with what 'should' happen in the Summer.Ask Tyrone as they beat us by 18 points in the Mc Kenna final in 2005 only to lose to a 13 man Donegal team in Clones that Summer.It could be argued that this young Armagh team brought an intensity to the match as they were each fighting for league panel places and it showed in their pressure when we were in possession as there were many turnovers.Some of the pulling and dragging especially of Toye,Hegarty and Kavanagh should have been addressed by Toland,the abysmal ref.
Individual positives were the display of the two Mc Gees,Cass in midfield - a powerhouse performance,Barry Monaghan and Wappa's point tally.
Mc Iver was correct to feel aggrieved by the refs sending off of Cass and an appeal should be lodged as to the reason why he deemed Kevins tackle as a foul let alone a yellow card offence.It was laughable to hear the baying Armagh ones calling for Cass to be sent off for a fair shoulder.The 'crack' could be heard in the stand and I'm sure everyone wishes young Duffy a speedy recovery.Cass had the forward momentum whilst Duffy had just received the ball and was stationary.I dont know the protocol in disciplinary appeals but i hope that Toland can be asked to account for his decision of a second yellow card.In fact it swung the advantage in our favour and it never looked like our slender lead could be matched by fading Armagh attack.Another chance to finally win some silverware awaits on the 18th February and we go down to Pairc Ui Rinn on Saturday night unbeaten.
Cass's suspension and Ciaran Bonner's (shoulder injury) absence will be a big loss.Colm Anthony and big Neilly were in the stand and have'nt featured yet this year due to injury and tonsilitis and it remains to be seen if they will figure in the Cork match.
Still Mc Iver has to be concerned that we could'nt account for that Armagh side with so many first team players on show.

Ciaran Sharkey 7.0 Could not fault display were he was'nt called upon to make a save and kicked fairly accurately.
Paddy Campbell 6.0 Paddy aint a corner back and a strange decision by Mc Iver when he could have given Witherow another run.
Neil Mc Gee 7.5 Played very well and pushed Cass close for MOTM IMO.Sound and strong under the high ball.
Frank Mc Glynn 6.0 Much better suited to wing back and too loose in marking his man.
Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Best game so far,showed plenty of confidence and won plenty of scrappy ball.
Barry Monaghan 7.0 Improving with each game and phenomenal strength in breaking the tackles.
Eamonn Mc Gee 7.0 Along with his brother the pick of our defenders.
Joe Friel 7.0 Found it puzzling when subbed by Roper.Best game in county jersey so far.
Kevin Cassidy 8.0 Immense throughout and led by example.Beginning to bed into midfield position.
Christy Toye 7.0 Made some valuable runs that eventually drew belated frees in second half but needs to maintain a consistency of play throughout.
Michael Hegarty 7.0 Captain for the day and like Toye and Kavanagh found it difficult to escape the pulling and dragging fest on the '40'
Rory Kavanagh 6.5 Does not look fit and only began to show when reduced to 14 men.
Kevin Mc Menamin 7.5 Wappa's tally of 4 points made him our best forward and should have been given more of the frre taking duties with the wind advantage in the second half.All told 5 different players tried their luck at frees.
Brendan Devenney 6.5 In fairness the quality of ball was not of the same standard as last week.Failed to execute some easy frees but made one incisive run that set up Roper for a goal chance that ended up going over for a point.
Ciaran Bonner 7.0 Came off injured following awkward fall at start.looked lively and was missed for rest of match as orthodox 3 man FF line was employed when Thompson came on.

Subs:
Barry Dunnion 7.0 In for second half and injected much needed attacking option with Donoghue going back into corner.
Brian Roper 6.5 Chasing shadows for a while but popped up for a point.
Leon Thompson 6.0 Like Devenney,not able to make much headway and when he did break free shot weakly into the keepers hands from 20m.
Adrian Sweeney 7.0 Able to hold up ball when needed but obviously has'nt the pace to do any real damage these days.Impact sub season once more.
Ryan Bradley Not on long enough to rate.

Healy Park is a fine set up and the PA system is the standard that every other county ground should aspire to. The main announcer had a voice similar to Benedict Kiely,clear and sonorous.For all those of an older generation that was the guy who did many of narrations on the RTE series 'Hands'. I believe he was/is one of Omagh's most renowned sons.
Title: Re: From a Donegal perspective
Post by: bennydorano on January 29, 2007, 09:12:37 AM
The record books will show that we bucked the hoodoo and finally beat Armagh and yes I know they were a 2nd string,reserves,hell some of them were probably playing for the Armagh U16 development squad only last week but a win is a win.Hopefully this can give the team confidence for May 27th.
     
       

IT mightn't be comfortable reading for Donegal ones, but it was a 2nd/3rd string.  I was at an Armagh v Tyrone U21 game on Saturday, Armagh were largely made up of trialists.  The last 3 subs that came on for Armagh yesterday were playing on the saturday and at least 2 of them were taken off then.

I thought Tony McClelland was excellent yesterday, very composed for such a young lad.  McNulty, as usual, never gave Devenney a kick and this could be Peadar's year to make the breakthrough.                                        
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
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The main announcer had a voice similar to Benedict Kiely,clear and sonorous.For all those of an older generation that was the guy who did many of narrations on the RTE series 'Hands'. I believe he was/is one of Omagh's most renowned sons.

He's simply known as "The Voice" and has been doing the job for well over 50 years.  There was a tribute to him in one of the programmes last year but all the attention seemed to unsettled him and he gave the wrong announcments all day re: subs etc.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: realredhandfan on January 29, 2007, 10:34:31 AM
Did the wee Omagh woman sing the Anthem.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: ONeill on January 29, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
Armagh have a bright enough future going by what i watched yesterday. Toal is a talented lad, some very McDonnell-like qualities about him. From 15 mins-35mins in the first half they more than matched an almost championship-strength Donegal side. Their tackling/defending at the back was a mirror image of their senior counterparts circa 02-04.

Donegal will be hoping they get a full year out of Cassidy. He's thee class act of the side but I still feel he's more suited and effective at CHB.

I rarely criticise refs, but if that's the standard for the year God help us. His interpretation of what was a legitimate tackle changed from minute to minute. In the first half he let Armagh away with some heavy-handed defending whilst Donegal were blown up for the slightest touch. In the second half it was the reverse. I thought Donegal were awarded some soft frees after the sending off (which wasn't even a black book offence).  
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: goal and a point on January 29, 2007, 10:38:12 AM
Cassidy shoulder wasa good of hit as you will see. i think it was duffys size - alot smaller than casssidy that made the tackical look alot worse than what it was. I think Armagh can gain alot of inspiration similar to tyrone that there are alot of new boys fit to step up to the mark afterall i would say donegal had at least 10 of there starting championship 15 playing
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: laughinpaddy on January 29, 2007, 11:57:00 AM
Armagh have a bright enough future going by what i watched yesterday. Toal is a talented lad, some very McDonnell-like qualities about him. From 15 mins-35mins in the first half they more than matched an almost championship-strength Donegal side. Their tackling/defending at the back was a mirror image of their senior counterparts circa 02-04.

Donegal will be hoping they get a full year out of Cassidy. He's thee class act of the side but I still feel he's more suited and effective at CHB.

I rarely criticise refs, but if that's the standard for the year God help us. His interpretation of what was a legitimate tackle changed from minute to minute. In the first half he let Armagh away with some heavy-handed defending whilst Donegal were blown up for the slightest touch. In the second half it was the reverse. I thought Donegal were awarded some soft frees after the sending off (which wasn't even a black book offence). ?
Have to agree with you here o'neill standard of officialdom was terrible to say the least. hope thats not an example to be followed :-\
that Armagh team yestarday is about 80% of the u21 team this year! although i still think its going to be a Tyrone-Dublin All Ireland Final!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Orior on January 29, 2007, 11:58:06 AM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.

LOL. Now feck off.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: full back on January 29, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.

OTB are you trying to do a 'Tony' on Armagh?
 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 29, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.

OTB are you trying to do a 'Tony' on Armagh?
 

Looks like Armagh are out in the first round of qualifiers!   ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: armaghniac on January 29, 2007, 04:05:59 PM
I think the Armagh camp will be happy enough with this game. It might have been important to Donegal to beat Armagh, but it doesn't have the same importance the other way around. With the McKenna cup final supposed to on the weekend when Cross' were playing in Mullingar, it wouldn't suit Big Joe and a lot of Armagh people, a big "derby" against Tyrone when so many players were unavailable didn't have that much to recommend it. It is much more important to say in Division 1. The league offers Joe a chance to try out any players that caught his eye in the McKenna cup campaign. You can't draw much by way of conclusion about the championship from this type of game, except to say that there are some prospects for the current panel and others who might make a decent team in the future when the old faces are permanently unavailable. The defensive work yesterday was sound, but the transfer of the ball forward was poor, while this is not a strong point of Armagh at any time the lack of organising figures like McGrane did not help the shape of the team. Some of these players could look better in a settled lineup.

On a lighter note, I see Paul Hearty scored a great point at the all-stars, could our Armagh's forward problems be solved! :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 31, 2007, 12:03:57 AM
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Hi folks,

due to the high traffic and server usage, our hosting company moved us onto a different server. Unfortunately this caused the loss of certain posts and some threads too.
At the moment we'll need to upgrade to a dedicated server to cope with the demand, which will cost a bit more.

Regards,
The Admin.

Thought I was going mad as the posts from last night in this thread or the Armagh v Donegal thread disappeared. In fact the Ar V Donegal thread seems to have disappeared altogether.  As they contained photos of the Armagh personnel I thought they had complained and had them removed. Anyway above explains everything.
Title: Tyrone v Monaghan Semi Final
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 07, 2007, 12:43:04 AM
Not long now to the Tyrone v Monaghan semi-final. Both teame have won their opening games and by the time the match is played Tyrone will have played their last three games under lights. Should be a good game! What do you think, should Harte play the University 4 or is he allowed to?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: Uladh on February 07, 2007, 10:37:23 AM

He hasn't got the balls to play them...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 07, 2007, 10:45:48 AM
He hasn't got the balls to play them...

Of course he has Uladh. Mickey Monagh will ensure of that. I think he even has the new yellow ones too ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 11, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
Any preditions for this game on Tuesday night? Regardless of who wins the final is in Healy Park next Saturday. The three teams left are flying at the moment. Monaghan and Tyrone are both playing well. I'd expect Mickey Harte to have more changes for this game. Maybe Rouse will return and it will be interesting to see if the College 4 are introduced again.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 11, 2007, 08:35:15 PM
Is the final definitely in Healy?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ziggysego on February 11, 2007, 08:43:18 PM
McKenna Cup Final on Saturday? That's when Greencastle is playing in the All-Ireland Semi-Final.  >:(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 11, 2007, 09:15:52 PM
Saturday night under lights Ziggy. Does that help? Anyway it could be Donegal v Monaghan. Yes O'Neill. Were you hoping for Casement?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 11, 2007, 09:22:05 PM
I was assuming Casement as the recent finals Tyrone v Derry '05 and Tyrone v Monaghan '06 had been there. I suppose Donegal wouldn't have been happy.
Title: Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 12, 2007, 12:54:20 PM
Does anyone know when the teams will be announced? With regards to Tyrone there are so many on the panel that it is hard to predict the team. Would like to see Curran get a run out again and i assume with the sigerson coming up soon we may not see Justin McMahon with St Mary's having a game on wednesday. I assume McGuigan (T) and Rousey will get a run along with Donnelly etc. Someone told me Tyrone will cut squad to 36/37 after McKenna cup exit and then name the 30 for match days. There is now even competition to get into the named squad for each match - can only be a good thing?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on February 12, 2007, 02:07:26 PM
I take it SON will be available for selection? How come he wasn't playing introduced again Fermanagh at the weekend? Monaghan are going well in the league so far and are racking up good scores but I reckon this'll be our toughest challenge of '07 to date... Midfield will be where it's won and lost (excuse the cliché). If we can get a foothold here and get the ball into Tommy and Hanratty they'll do damge but that's a big IF! Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: RedKnight on February 12, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?

Thats a question that only Mickey Hart can answer. It could be Carlin, Marlow, Boggs or McCaul
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: chuck hughes on February 12, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
I take it SON will be available for selection? How come he wasn't playing introduced again Fermanagh at the weekend? Monaghan are going well in the league so far and are racking up good scores but I reckon this'll be our toughest challenge of '07 to date... Midfield will be where it's won and lost (excuse the cliché). If we can get a foothold here and get the ball into Tommy and Hanratty they'll do damge but that's a big IF! Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?
O'Neill will be available and he did come on as a half time substitute at the weekend. Midfield could be an issue for yous, im assuming Lennon wont be playin as he will be in action for DCU on Wed in Sigerson vs UUJ and also Hanratty is a member of that DCU team too. Id say Keran Mc Crory, Marlow and Mc Gurk will get a bit of action tomorrow night in Riceys absence.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on February 12, 2007, 02:34:12 PM
Jeez I forgot about the oul Sigerson! Big game too... MF could be Paul Finlay and JP Moen with young Conor McManus starting in the Corner in place of Hanratty. I could see Damien Freeman back in the half back line to add a bit of pace and and maybe Shane Smyth or Rory Woods on the edge of the square. Should be a good game I reckon...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: MD on February 13, 2007, 09:11:20 AM
Folks anyone know if this is being shown on TG4?  Doesn't seem to be appearing on their scheduling but I know they have the rights to show all McKenna cup games so would be suprised if they missed the final?  Thanks.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Fuzzman on February 13, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
Heard on Radio Ulster this Morning that Dooher is making his comeback tonght.

Let the hoovering begin.

What times's the final on this Sat?
Is it Defo in Healy Park Omagh?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on February 13, 2007, 10:10:50 AM
What times's the final on this Sat?
Is it Defo in Healy Park Omagh?

That's presuming Fuzz you win of course!  ;) That statement smells of complacency and over-confidence...  :o
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 13, 2007, 12:18:40 PM
“Fermanagh made us work hard for the points,’’ Mickey Harte
13 February 2007
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte was delighted with the win over their near-neighbours, Fermanagh in the second round of the NFL Division 1A at Healy Park, Omagh under lights on Saturday 10th February. However, he admitted that they had to battle hard for the win, saying that the scoreline flattered his side at the finish.
“It was anyone’s game up to the last five minutes. We had to work hard for every score, and over the hour Fermanagh put plenty of pressure on us, just what you would expect in a local derby clash.’’
Harte said that he was delighted with the attitude of his players once again. He however, pledged to continue with the process of experimentation for to-morrow (Tuesday) evenings clash with Monaghan in the second semi-final of the Dr. McKenna Cup with Monaghan in Kingspan/Breffni Park, Cavan at 7.30 p.m.
“We are trying to give all the players who have been training with the squad some match time, while at the same time trying to get results,’’ he said.
“It’s not easy to get the balance right, but we are doing our best, and we will certainly try out some new players on Tuesday night against Monaghan to give them a chance of competitive football. At the same time we want to reach the McKenna Cup final and are up against a Monaghan side who have got into the habit of winning games, and will fancy their chances on this occasion. It should be an interesting clash, and we will learn more about the strength of our panel after this encounter,’’ added Harte.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72700
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: tyroneman on February 13, 2007, 12:22:14 PM
If Tyrone win tonight - Final is in Breffni

If Tyrone lose tonight - Final is in Omagh

No coverage on tonight (although profile on Nudie Hughes is on)

Final on live TG4 Sat night
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 01:43:23 PM
any coverage of the game on radio 2night??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Fuzzman on February 13, 2007, 01:54:46 PM
Nobody seems to know for sure where the final is on if its Tyrone v Donegal.

Does Celtic park not have floodlights?

A Tyrone fan overconfident? Never.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: realredhandfan on February 13, 2007, 03:24:05 PM
Whats the team for tionight, any boarders going..
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Over the Bar on February 13, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
Its a hard route to 4-in-a-row for Tyrone as Monaghan will be out to avenge last years defeat while Donegal will want to avenge the mauling they got in Ballybofey in 2004.    That said you just can't beat games like this to let the new lads get some real early-season action.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 03:56:22 PM
mckenna cup final is on live on saturday night TG4

http://www.tg4.ie/Bearla/Scei/scei.php?date=2007-02-17

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Mid Mon on February 13, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
I'll be there. Stewarding in the VIP section.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: realredhandfan on February 13, 2007, 04:36:40 PM
Whats the chances of this game being rained off.  Im heading fairly pronto and its pished all day.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Mid Mon on February 13, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
Breffni is a prunty pitch, so should be ok!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: cavan4ever on February 13, 2007, 04:44:26 PM
Don't mess up our pitch !!!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: thebandit on February 13, 2007, 05:03:27 PM
I'll be there. Stewarding in the VIP section.

You bring the flask, I have sangwiches!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: realredhandfan on February 13, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
tr**p the sh++e outta er boys.  Come on the redhandTuesday night brigade.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 06:22:58 PM
Any possible radio commentary for those exiled or banished?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:12:36 PM
Was listening to Northern Sound there and I think he said there'll be commentary from 7.30 though I may be mistaken as he had a Mexican accent.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: tc_manchester on February 13, 2007, 07:13:33 PM
the match is on Northern Sound at 7.30 - http://northernsound.ie/listen.php
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: tyroneboi on February 13, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
any word of any lineups? thought the game was on the radio but it must not be. any one know where i can get it?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:41:22 PM
No luck. Any way to get MW?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 07:41:58 PM
That link to northern sound is blaring out the ole C&W, no sign of a commentary
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 07:48:08 PM
link working, Mon 0-2 Ty 1-1
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:48:34 PM
Seems to be on now.

Rouse, O'Neill and Gormley up front
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
Marlowe, Cavlan, Penrose
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:50:33 PM
Niall Gormley scored the goal
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:53:07 PM
Tyrone goal

Commentator hasn't a clue who the Tyrone players are
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 07:53:25 PM
2nd goal Trainor
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:54:12 PM
Declan Trainor?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:54:55 PM
Curran in goals
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:55:47 PM
O'Neill has 2 points

2-2 to 0-2
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 07:56:23 PM
2-2 to 0-3 Finlay 45
2-3 to 0-3 O'Neill
2-3 to 0-4 Finlay free - 24 mins played
Tyrone 5 wides
2-4 to 0-4 Tommy McGuigan
2-5 to 0-4 O'Neill free
2-5 to 0-5 Finlay 45
2-6 to 0-5 Rouse 33 mins gone
Half-time



Kelvin Hughes and Paul Quinn on
Aidan McCarron too
Marlowe Yellow card
No 25 on for Tyrone. Commentator doesn't know who it is
Commentator doesn't like big numbers on jerseys
O'Neill nonchalant
Cormac McGinley full back
Commentator likes yellow ball though
Eerie silence when Finlay kicks
Ciaran McRory on for Tyrone
Cavlan has freedom of Breffni
Monaghan 3 wides in first half
Someone tells ref to go home
He hasn't far to go. He lives in Fermanagh
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
Oneil with a pt
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 08:00:30 PM
I'll leave the updates to you O Neill, you're quicker on the keys.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 08:15:39 PM
possibly the worst commentary iv ever heard
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 08:20:02 PM
who's the referee tonight?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Armagh Exile on February 13, 2007, 08:24:43 PM
Half-Time:-
Tyrone 2-6
Monaghan 0-5
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 08:28:17 PM
Commentator John Graham

2nd Half about to start

2-6 to 0-5
2-7 to 0-5 O'Neill from play
2-8 to 0-5 McCarron from play 8 mins of 2nd half
2-8 to 0-6 Gallogly from play
2-9 to 0-6 Tommy McGuigan
2-10 to 0-6 Damien McDermott (16 mins)
2-11 to 0-6 Colhoun
2-12 to 0-6 Rouse
2-13 to 0-6 (they couldn't be bothered telling us)
2-14 to 0-6 Dooher
2-15 to 0-6 Dooher
2-16 to 0-6 (didn't tell us again)
2-16 to 0-7 Tommy Freeman
FULL TIME

Nudie not happy
Says Rory Woods totally out of shape
Nudie's 45
Tommy Freeman on for Monaghan
Has a big number too.
Graham pissed off
Tyrone no 17 on - Damien McDermott
...and Christy Colhoun is either on or off!!
Paul McGurk playing
O'Neill wide from free
O'Neill fancy footwork like Ronaldinho
Eoin Duffy RED CARD for challenge on Penrose
Penrose wide - 4 Tyrone wides in 2nd half - 9 in all
O'Neill Yellow
Dooher on for O'Neill
Cavlan has interest in 'hunting dogs'
Murphy on for Hughes
Dooher stealing sweets from a child
Dooher wide.
Tyrone crisp handling
Man of the Match - Stephen O'Neill
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 08:47:05 PM
Anyone guess at Tyrone line out?

McGurk - McGinley - McCarron
Quinn - Marlowe -Penrose
Hughes - McCrory
Cavlan - McGuigan - Trainor
Rouse - O'Neill - Gormley
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2007, 08:52:35 PM
Cathal McCarron at No4
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 08:53:15 PM
Philip Jordn, Brian Dooher both on as 2nd half subs.
 :)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
the strength and depth of Tyrone squad is pretty impressive
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Orior on February 13, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
the strength and depth of Tyrone squad is pretty impressive

as is their desire to win the whatsitsname McKenna cup.

However, O'Neills commentary aint up to her ususal standard.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 09:01:26 PM
Jaysus Orior, you should hear what we're listening to. Massive periods of silence
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 09:04:41 PM
as the man says 'Tyrone mean business' - Monaghan are taking an awful hammering
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 09:07:25 PM
2-16 to 0-06, time nearly up
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 09:15:06 PM
Mickey has a really hard job picking a squad of 40 players - very hard 2 pick players that deserve to be dropped
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 09:20:15 PM
nice problem to have though
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: tyronie on February 13, 2007, 09:41:18 PM
Said on radio final will be in Healy pk on sat evenin! Did i not see/hear that if Tyrone won it would be in Breffni?
Northern Sound commentator did not seem to be most reliable source of information!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 09:48:55 PM
After last year I think Tyrone supporters will not be getting carried away at all. When you win, they say your bench is strong. When you lose it's not.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
yes but when you win three games with basically three different teams then you have a strong bench
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: reddgnhand on February 13, 2007, 09:56:44 PM
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Said on radio final will be in Healy pk on sat evenin! Did i not see/hear that if Tyrone won it would be in Breffni?

According to the Irish News the game is in Omagh(7.30 et if req)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 13, 2007, 10:03:17 PM
yes but when you win three games with basically three different teams then you have a strong bench

Winning 3 games with almost different teams in February doesnt matter a bit if youre losing games come the summer though, the strength in depth wasnt there last year! (albeit any side would struggle without so many key men). All bodes well though, the panel looks like it should be a good bit stronger this season, there shouldnt be room for the passengers Tyrone were carrying last summer.
Also a great bonus to see Dooher back and flying. Thats him and Gormley back well before expected and McGuigan talking about a comeback in the next few weeks, things look decent enough for the Red Hands at this stage.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 10:07:36 PM
Donegal should be a good test. Are they unbeaten in 2007 as well?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ziggysego on February 13, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
Was in nightclass, so missed the game and all the on-line commentary. However I hear the commentary wasn't up to much. Couldn't believe the score when I logged onto the Internet to check at 9.30pm. I hope they don't get over confidence for Saturday and the National League.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on February 13, 2007, 11:42:53 PM
Did many Tyronies go down to Cavan or was it to cold?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 13, 2007, 11:49:23 PM
Just back from the game and YES the final is in Healy Park next Saturday night. First observation is that Monaghan were not their usual fired up self under McAneaney. They were also a few players short but so were Tyrone. The most striking image for me on the night was Tyrone comfortably cruising on the field while waves of Tyrone All-Stars performed their warm up routines along the sideline. Dooher, Cavanagh, Jordan, Mugsy, Harte, C Gormley, Carlin, McConnell (McGuigan and Ricey in storage and the University 8 not playing)...... As someone said earlier I don't envy Mickey Harte. All of the players looked comfortable on the ball and strolled around the park with authority. Curran again looked assured in goals. McGinley did his usual solid job at full back. Kelvin Hughes did well at midfield and Cavlan was majestic looking, spraying balls around the pitch to the forwards, prefering to do this than even attempt a shot. Penrose was energetic as usual but had three reasonable chances wide and when he did get a shot on target it dropped into the keepers arms. Rouse scored some good points including his jiggy routine at a free which always causes a stir in the crowd (O'Neill was off at this stage). Some good moves to get scores and O'Neill won man of the match with his 1-5 tally. Dooher returned and despite a low key profile he managed to sweep over two points - one an outside of the boot a la V Kerry 2003. The players i haven't mentioned all did well too.
After all that it's still feet on the ground, however, as this Monaghan team obviously had their eye on other things (League and Champ) and like all the teams Tyrone have played will be a different proposition down the line. A mouthwatering prospect the final next Saturday when no doubt Cavanagh, C Gormley, Jordan, O'Neill, Mugsy, Harte and Dooher will all be in line for prominent roles against a Donegal team who are playing well. Let's hope it lives up to its billing.  
Two observations about Breffni Pk. They have six sets of floodlights but don't seem to be any brighter than Healy and on the way out it is very dark and a safety hazard. Hopefully they will get perimeter lights soon.
Another observation was that like the Stephen McDonnell article today some of the Monaghan crowd started shouting at Freeman to work harder and look for the ball and seemed frustrated with him. Maybe an article for Gaelic Life? - how crowds treat their best players at times?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 12:25:24 AM
just back from game.  doohers back! will post rest tomorrow.  nite!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 12:42:00 AM
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just back from game.  doohers back!


YIP

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: ziggysego on February 14, 2007, 12:56:03 AM
Well done never kickt a ball on your 1000th post ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: realredhandfan on February 14, 2007, 09:08:07 AM
Exceptional Tyrone performance and the bar is being well and truly lifted this year.  Cavlan and Hughes bossed midfield with Cavlans flair and passing exceptional and Hughes workrate second to none.  Marlowe fared well. Couple of good runs from Quinn,  Stevie looks keen,  Dooher - what a couple of points particularly the first and great to see Jordan back, like his namesake all tan but unlike his namesake no upper body weight.  Ready for action.. Overall Im thrilled, and from a club persepctive I think Hughes was superb and will have gave his chances a huge boost.  Cavlan cannot be left out of that squad, hes playing the best football of his career.  Rouse got one superb point as well, needs a little work but looks to offer us something different as well. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 09:59:47 AM
Feck that mckenna cup numbering system is annoying!  & with no programme sellers about it took a lot of time to work out who was who.   As reported earlier a good dominant performance and thing looks good.  Mickey will have a tough job culling the team but I can't see either damien mcdermott or kelvin hughes making it on their performances last night.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: realredhandfan on February 14, 2007, 10:56:36 AM
Otb, you dont know much about football son.  Hughes done more work last night than any other player on the pitch.  to put him in with Daisy is a great disservice and may I add michievous.
Title: Programmes
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 10:56:52 AM
Feck that mckenna cup numbering system is annoying!  & with no programme sellers about it took a lot of time to work out who was who. 

The key to the McKenna Cup is to bring your last programme with you as the numbers don't change. As we expect now from the Ulster Council only the great, the good, the early and the lucky get a programme. Next year we should  list all the teams as per first programme then we can print them out and bring them with us. I wonder will the final have the same numbers for each team. (probably will have given the time factor and the delay in naming the teams)  If so could someone post the Donegal team sheet and I will post the Tyrone team when I get a chance. Then we can go to the match prepared.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Fuzzman on February 14, 2007, 11:13:36 AM
Whats times the final on at in Healy Park on Sat?

Say there will be a big crowd now.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 11:16:14 AM
Whats times the final on at in Healy Park on Sat?
Say there will be a big crowd now.
Don't know for sure Fuzz but they started last week at 7.30pm.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 11:17:52 AM
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Otb, you dont know much about football son.  Hughes done more work last night than any other player on the pitch.  to put him in with Daisy is a great disservice and may I add michievous.

Can't say I noticed him showing much RRRF, but perhaps you were watching him more than I was.  I was trying to keep an eye on all the young fellas so maybe I overlooked his contribution and the numbering and lack of programme to refer to did not help.   When he was subbed I wasn't surprised tho.   Tommy McGuigan was another that had an off-night in my opinion but maybe you thing I'm being miischievous (wtf?)there as well!  ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 11:20:02 AM
Tyrone tear Monaghan apart
14 February 2007


Former captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side.
Showing 15 changes from the side that carved out a win over Fermanagh last weekend in the NFL, Tyrone had it all too easy as they booked a place in the final against Donegal.
Tyrone were on easy street with goals by man of the match Stephen O’Neill (9th) and Declan Treanor (14th) helping to ease them into a commanding 2-6 to 0-5 interval lead.
Earlier Tyrone almost bagged a third goal in the 19th minute but Tommy McGuigan and Treanor were thwarted in quick succession in a goalmouth scramble.
Frustration in the Monaghan team surfaced in the 41st minute when Eoin Duffy was dismissed for a second yellow card offence after a ’clothes line’ tackle on Martin Penrose.
Monaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan’s point blank effort over the bar.
But the night belonged to Dooher whose two brilliant points were the highlight of a classy display by the O’Neill County outfit.
Tyrone were a full nine points ahead, 2-10 to 0-7, when the biggest roar of the night greeted the introduction of long-time absentee Brian Dooher for the outstanding O’Neill.

Tyrone - J Curran; P McGurk, C McGinley, C McCrory; P Quinn, P Marlow, M Penrose; G Cavlan 0-1, K Hughes; A McCarron 0-1, T McGuigan 0-2, D Treanor 1-0; P Rouse 0-3, S O’Neill 1-5, N Gormley. Subs - D McDermott for P Marlow, C Colhoun 0-1 for D Treanor, B Dooher 0-2 for S O’Neill, P Jordan for C McCrory, M Murphy for K Hughes.

Monaghan
- P McBennett; D Morgan 0-1, J Coyle, C Flanagan; JP Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay 0-3, V Corey; P Meegan 0-1, M Daly, E Duffy; R Woods, B McKenna 0-1, N Corrigan. Subs: S Gollogly 0-1 for M Daly, T Freeman 0-1 for R Woods, D Mone for P Meegan, D McArdle for B McKenna, C McManus for J Coyle.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72757

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Mid Mon on February 14, 2007, 11:40:11 AM
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Monaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan’s point blank effort over the bar.

Monaghan had 3 clear goal chances but failed to take any.
Title: Re: Programmes
Post by: MrC on February 14, 2007, 12:25:22 PM
If so could someone post the Donegal team sheet and I will post the Tyrone team when I get a chance. Then we can go to the match prepared.

I'll post the Donegal one sometime before the weekend. I'll be back at home on Friday morning so will stick it up then
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Semi - Tyrone v Monaghan
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on February 14, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
Jaysus Orior, you should hear what we're listening to. Massive periods of silence

Know many Tyrone men who can wax-lyrical when their team's gettin ripped apart O' Neill?

Nudie Hughes is never short for a comment and even he struggled to put words on that performance!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: thebandit on February 14, 2007, 12:39:01 PM
Did Banty make any comment after the game?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 01:01:02 PM
Did Banty make any comment after the game?
Irish news interview: He questioned the attitude of players who never looked like matching the Tyrone Hunger. "our attitude wasn't right and we got it horribly wrong"
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 01:16:13 PM
Tyrone

1 Pascal
2 Dermot Carlin
3 Sean Cavanagh
4 Christy Colhoun
5 Colm Donnelly
6 Niall Gormley
7 Davy Harte
8 Kelvin Hugher
9 Kevin Hughes
10 Paul Marlow
11 Ryan Mellon
12 Michael murphy
13 Mugsy
14 Ciaran McCrory
15 Aiden McCarrom
16 Curran
17 Daisy McDermott
18 Michael McGee
19 Cormac McGinley
20 Enda McGinley
21 Tommy McGuigan
22 Paul McGurk
23 Ricey (Suspended. Could be C Gormley?)
24 Stephen O'Neill
25 Martin Penrose
26 Paul Quinn
27 Paul Rouse
28 Declan Trainor
29 Brendan Boggs
30 Cathal McCarron

31 Brian Dooher
32 Colm Cavanagh

This is how they have been lining out number wise. There might be changes to accomodate C Gormley, Dooher, Cavo and Jordan etc though they will usually be allocated high numbers and maybe the university 4 numbers which were usually 23/29/30/31. Cavlan was 29 last night.


Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 14, 2007, 01:26:35 PM
Any 'ineligible' players appear last night? Or were they 'rested'?

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 01:28:05 PM
Any 'ineligible' players appear last night? Or were they 'rested'?

Most of them are playing Sigerson today Goats as were many of the Monaghan team. So suited everyone all round.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: tyroneman on February 14, 2007, 01:36:45 PM
Think Donegal will be a big test - 11 finals since 92 and lost all 11...............never knew that one.

NFL game against them soon after and then the possibility of a Championship clash.

Know which one I'd soonest win.

Look a big strong side at the back and maybe have finally solved thier forward problems.

Big test will be mental vs Armagh. The win in the McKenna will count for nothing, especially as Donegals near championship side struggled to get past an our ma b squad
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: nrico2006 on February 14, 2007, 01:40:46 PM
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Former captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side


I thought Dooher was captain for this year again? 

www.rte.ie/sport/2006/1230/dooherb.html
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 02:39:55 PM
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I thought Dooher was captain for this year again? 

He is but in his absence MH has had to temporarily assign the captaincy to Ricey, Cavanagh or whoever.  He'll re-assume captaincy on his full return which is where the confusion may arise.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 14, 2007, 03:49:59 PM
Expect a huge battle this saturday.  Donegal will be looking to lay down a marker.  Tyrone are shit hot...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Jack Dempsey on February 14, 2007, 03:53:50 PM
looks like the final is in Healy Park. Why do Tyrone get home advantage ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 14, 2007, 03:55:25 PM
Surely its the best venue for it, as  I assume they flicked for it between Bally Bofey and Omagh. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 03:57:28 PM
looks like the final is in Healy Park. Why do Tyrone get home advantage ?

Don't know but Donegal got it three years ago when they tossed a coin (Cormac's last game). Heard Donegal are happy and relaxed about playing as it will be good preparation for League tie.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: sam03/05 on February 14, 2007, 04:53:17 PM
Omagh  is the best venue for this game. What is the point in playing a game like this at a neutral venue?
Would mean a much smaller crowd.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Donegal are used to winning in Healy Park anyway.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 10:12:37 PM
Cavlan the real star of the show
14 February 2007
Tyrone turned on a tremendous team performance on Tuesday night, 13th of February when convincingly defeating Monaghan in the semi-final of this season’s Dr. McKenna Cup.
Mickey Harte’s side have definitely recovered their appetite for the game and some of the displays of the younger members of the squad shows the great ’strength in depth’ of this present Tyrone side.
However, on the night the real stars of the show were ace marksman Stephen O’Neill – he finished the sides top scorer with 1-5 and the evergreen Gerard Cavlan.
Cavlan lined out in the midfield sector and was the dominating personality in that area. His positional sense, passing and all round play was worth the admission price on its own. He missed out on getting the ’man of the match’ award, it went to Stephen O’Neill – but it must have been a close call!
With Cavlan, O’Neill showing top form, and Dooher and Jordan coming back to the fray things are really looking up for this Tyrone side, and it must be a serious worry to many of their key opponents so early in the season.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72776

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final

Tyrone 2-16 Monaghan 0-8

It was all too easy for Tyrone under lights at Kingspan Breffni Park on Tuesday evening as they steamrolled Monaghan to reach yet another McKenna Cup final. Mickey Harte took the opportunity to again look at players before he trims his panel and the men on duty once again did their bit to leave the management team with a difficult decision when it comes to whittling down the numbers soon.
Paul Finlay kicked the first wide of the contest before Monaghan opened the scoring in the third minute when Paul Meegan converted a twenty metre free after Rory Woods had been fouled. Moments later Seamus McEnaney’s men were two points to the good after Brendan McKenna reacted first to a breaking ball to split the posts after Rory Woods’ initial effort had been blocked by Paul Marlow. Martin Penrose then registered Tyrone’s first wide of the night before Stephen O’Neill opened their account in the seventh minute from a thirty metre free. Monaghan were looking dangerous though in the opening stages of the contest and they should have had a goal when a superb Nicholas Corrigan pass put Rory Woods in the clear but Tyrone keeper Jonathan Curran came of his line and the Monaghan attacker fisted the ball tamely wide of the target. Tommy McGuigan had a Tyrone wide before the holders struck for the opening goal in the ninth minute. Declan Treanor won the Monaghan kick out and played the ball to Niall Gormley who sprinted clear before squaring the ball for Stephen O’Neill to palm it into an empty net.
Paul Meegan had a Monaghan wide before Stephen O’Neill put Tyrone three in front when he made no mistake from a “45”. In the 14th minute Tyrone grabbed their second goal of the game to take a firm stranglehold of the contest. It all began at the back with Ciaran McCrory making a good clearance to Gerald Cavlan who in turn played a superb long ball into Stephen O’Neill, the full forward fisting the ball into the path of Declan Treanor who finished to the net past Monaghan keeper Padraig McBennett. Monaghan responded with a sweetly struck “45” from midfielder Paul Finlay but Stephen O’Neill quickly put half a dozen between them again with a fine effort with his right after again being the recipient of a perfect Gerald Cavlan pass. Niall Gormley had a Tyrone wide before Rory Woods won a free at the other end of the field and Paul Finlay made no mistake from the twenty five metre free. A good move involving Ciaran McCrory, Paul Marlow, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Niall Gormley ended with the latter feeding the ball out for Tommy McGuigan to take a neat score.
Stephen O’Neill then made no mistake from a thirteen metre free out on the right wing as Tyrone continued to dominate proceedings. Another Paul Finlay “45” gave Monaghan temporary respite but it didn’t last long with Declan Treanor laying the ball out for Paul Rouse to strike a superb score from out on the left wing. Paul Meegan and Nicholas Corrigan both kicked injury time wides as Tyrone led 2-6 to 0-5 at the break.
Straight from the restart Monaghan broke through the Tyrone defence and when Brendan McKenna set up Eoin Duffy he seemed destined to score a goal but Cormac McGinley made a great block to divert the danger. Substitute Damian McDermott and Stephen O’Neill both recorded wides before the latter made amends in the fifth minute after profiting from a superb Gerald Cavlan pass. Things got worse for Monaghan in the seventh minute when Eoin Duffy was sent off for a high tackle on Martin Penrose. Good work from Paul Quinn helped carve an opening for Aiden McCarron to point with Stephen Gollogly responding for Monaghan in the tenth minute. In the 14th minute Monaghan created another goal chance but again Cormac McGinley came to his side’s rescue as he deflected Donal Morgan’s shot over the bar. Monaghan failed to score for another twenty five minutes as Tyrone upped the tempo once more.
Tommy McGuigan hit a brilliant point from out on the right wing and that was followed by a Damian McDermott point after good approach play from Stephen O’Neill and Gerald Cavlan. Christopher Colhoun got his name on the score sheet after collecting a Paul Rouse pass before the Brackaville man turned finisher with a thirty metre free after Brian Dooher had been held of the ball. The Tyrone Captain had been introduced in the 19th minute of the half for club team mate Stephen O’Neill and he got a rousing reception from the Tyrone faithful. Paul Rouse then tagged on a neat point from play before the biggest cheer of the night greeted a wonderful strike from Brian Dooher with his left after a good move that involved Tommy McGuigan, Kelvin Hughes and Paul Rouse. Monaghan were struggling to even get the ball out of their own half and when Tommy McGuigan found Brian Dooher the latter again split the posts, this time with his right peg. Gerald Cavlan then became the ninth Tyrone player to get his name on the score sheet before Monaghan had the last say with a point from substitute Tomas Freeman.
This was another accomplished display from Mickey Harte’s charges with all but four of their points coming from play. Its early days but the depth of talent at his disposal certainly augers well for the remainder of the season, All Star defender Philip Jordan another player who made his first appearance of the season on Tuesday night. Next up are Donegal under lights at Healy Park on Saturday evening in the final of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup, Tyrone bidding to retain the title for the fourth year in a row.

Tyrone – Jonathan Curran, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Ciaran McCrory, Paul Quinn, Paul Marlow, Martin Penrose, Gerald Cavlan, Kelvin Hughes, Aiden McCarron, Tommy McGuigan, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse, Stephen O’Neill, Niall Gormley. Subs – Damian McDermott for Niall Gormley, Christopher Colhoun for Declan Treanor, Brian Dooher for Stephen O’Neill, Mickey Murphy for Kelvin Hughes, Philip Jordan for Ciaran McCrory
Monaghan – Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Ciaran Hughes, JP Mone, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Vincent Corey, Mark Daly, Rory Woods, Eoin Duffy, Paul Meegan, Brendan McKenna, Nicholas Corrigan. Subs – Stephen Gollogly for Mark Daly, Tomas Freeman for  Rory Woods, Dessie Mone for Paul Meegan, Dermot McArdle for Brendan McKenna, Conor McManus for James Coyle
Tyrone scorers – Stephen O’Neill 1-5, Paul Rouse 0-3, Declan Treanor 1-0, Tommy McGuigan 0-2, Brian Dooher 0-2, Christopher Colhoun 0-1, Aiden McCarron 0-1, Damian McDermott 0-1, Gerald Cavlan 0-1
Monaghan scorers – Paul Finlay 0-3, Donal Morgan 0-1, Paul Meegan 0-1, Stephen Gollogly 0-1, Brendan McKenna 0-1, Tomas Freeman 0-1
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=292

 

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 15, 2007, 04:31:54 PM
See Tyrone are looking for clearance for the University 4 to play in the MCKenna Cup Final. Does anyone know if Donegal have any players from the unversities who played in their respespective competetions and are now in the Donegal squad?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on February 15, 2007, 04:46:47 PM
Karl Lacey,Paul Durcan and Michael Doherty have played with Sligo IT in all of the FBD League with the final against Galway to be played on Sunday.No other panel members are involved with 3rd level teams.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 15, 2007, 05:33:55 PM
Can anyone post this article from the Irish News. I don't want to quote out of context when the Tyrone Chair states in relation to the McKenna Cup:

"Secondly, teams signing up to the competition should respect the integrity of the competition and its historical significance to the GAA in Ulster. It is my view that this is not currently the case. Teams should compete in the McKenna Cup to win it. Dr McKenna's memory deserves such respect"

Who do you think he is targeting this at?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: armaghniac on February 15, 2007, 05:55:01 PM
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Who do you think he is targeting this at?

Well he might mean the other 8 counties, who dilute their teams by not playing university players just because the Ulster council say they should. Or maybe he means Monaghan who allowed themselves be beaten. Or maybe Armagh, who obviously could win it if they wanted to, but who prefer that other Ulster cup named after a mere newspaper that is awarded in the summer.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone v Monaghan V Donegal
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 15, 2007, 09:13:05 PM
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Who do you think he is targeting this at?

Well he might mean the other 8 counties, who dilute their teams by not playing university players just because the Ulster council say they should. Or maybe he means Monaghan who allowed themselves be beaten. Or maybe Armagh, who obviously could win it if they wanted to, but who prefer that other Ulster cup named after a mere newspaper that is awarded in the summer.

Usual shite from the Orchard I see!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 15, 2007, 09:56:09 PM
We'll see who wins Ulster this year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 15, 2007, 10:15:26 PM
We'll see who wins Ulster this year.

We will indeed Ziggy, it's just a shame that the three big guns are in the same side of the draw!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: reddgnhand on February 15, 2007, 11:42:37 PM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey? 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 15, 2007, 11:44:58 PM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey? 

That's BEFORE 2001 ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: J70 on February 16, 2007, 01:54:25 AM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Ulster Final 2002, 2004, 2006
All Ireland Semi 2003
Ulster first round 2005

Looks like it.

1993 was our last championship victory over Armagh (and that was a close thing the first day, with two John Duffy points in the final minutes saving us in the first game). Apart from that and the Ulster final of 1990, we don't have too many wins against Armagh over the past 25 years. We beat them in 1983, but they knocked us out in '81, 82' 84' and '87!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 16, 2007, 10:32:02 AM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Ulster Final 2002, 2004, 2006
All Ireland Semi 2003
Ulster first round 2005

Looks like it.

Therefore J70 the law of averages says that were due a win!!!  ;)

1993 was our last championship victory over Armagh (and that was a close thing the first day, with two John Duffy points in the final minutes saving us in the first game). Apart from that and the Ulster final of 1990, we don't have too many wins against Armagh over the past 25 years. We beat them in 1983, but they knocked us out in '81, 82' 84' and '87!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 16, 2007, 12:03:30 PM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey? 

That's BEFORE 2001 ;)

They drew the 1st day, coming from 7 points down, can't remember where the replay was!?
Title: Tyrone Team for final
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team

P McConnell,
P McGurk,  C McGinley,  M McGee,
D Harte,  C Gormley,  P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: J70 on February 16, 2007, 01:04:46 PM

Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?

Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey? 

That's BEFORE 2001 ;)

They drew the 1st day, coming from 7 points down, can't remember where the replay was!?

Clones as far as I remember. Marsden's goal that day with ten minutes to go after we came back to level was an absolute sickener!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: tyroneman on February 16, 2007, 01:17:43 PM
Very interesting team. Glad to see MH sticking to his prinicples of giving everyone a fair chance this year, and good to see Cavo keep his place.

Cavanagh, Jordan, Dooher, Mugsy, Enda all to play a part at some stage if necessary.............................

Ricey, Brian McGuigan, Gourley and Holmes all to come back in next month too. Not to mention Cavanagh jnr etc

Future looks good.
Title: Re: Tyrone Team for final
Post by: tyroneboi on February 16, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team

P McConnell,
P McGurk,  C McGinley,  M McGee,
D Harte,  C Gormley,  P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott


is this the confirmed team?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ardal on February 16, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
Sean Cavanagh has been dropped from the panel. Match is on live on TG4.
. Why?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: sam03/05 on February 16, 2007, 02:44:54 PM
Cavanagh dropped? where did you hear that at?
very unlikely i would say.
Title: Re: Tyrone Team for final
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 02:54:36 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team

P McConnell,
P McGurk,  C McGinley,  M McGee,
D Harte,  C Gormley,  P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott



is this the confirmed team?

Yes

http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=294
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Harte makes eight Tyrone changes
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 06:50:04 PM
Harte makes eight Tyrone changes 
 
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has shuffled his pack again for Saturday evening's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final against Donegal at Healy Park (1930 GMT).
The side shows eight changes from Tuesday's semi-final win over Monaghan.
Pascal McConnell returns in goals in place of Jonathan Curran while Michael McGee, Davy Harte and Conor Gormley are included in the defence.
In the attack, Colm McCullagh, Christopher Colhoun, Ryan Mellon and Damien McDermott earn starts.
Ciaran McCrory, Paul Marlow and Martin Penrose drop out of the defence after starting against Monaghan while the forward changes see Aidan McCarron, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Niall Gormley losing their starting places.
Donegal manager Brian McIver will not announce his team until shortly before Saturday's throw-in because of fitness doubts surrounding a number of players.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 06:54:46 PM
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?

Mugsy rested too I see.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 07:06:54 PM
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?
Mugsy rested too I see.

Here's what Sean Cavanagh said re County Board; http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_6360000/newsid_6368600/6368681.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 16, 2007, 07:22:21 PM
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?
Mugsy rested too I see.

Here's what Sean Cavanagh said re County Board; http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_6360000/newsid_6368600/6368681.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm

I'd hardly say that is the reasoning for Cavanagh dropped for this game.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 08:25:19 PM
Rare form, Mac Eoghain. Can't understand why a Moy man would come on and say Moy's Cavanagh has been dropped from the panel.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2007, 08:37:27 PM
Moy has been annexed by Armagh, it was all part of the deal involving the PSNI coming into Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
Who's the new captain? - Dooher, Ricey and Cavanagh out.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 17, 2007, 09:55:08 AM
Is the match definitely on tg4 live lads.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 17, 2007, 02:38:09 PM
Who's the new captain? - Dooher, Ricey and Cavanagh out.

It was O'Neill last week, so I'd imagine it would be him tonight again.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 17, 2007, 02:38:39 PM
Is the match definitely on tg4 live lads.

Yes
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on February 17, 2007, 08:29:55 PM
Why are Tyrone playing at home in omagh. Isn't fair! This ment to be a final.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 17, 2007, 08:56:48 PM
14 man Tyrone 7 up with 10 to go....Hughes the man off, McCullough with thr goal.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 17, 2007, 09:00:50 PM
2 smashing goals! Donegal are poor!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 17, 2007, 09:11:44 PM

  Just in lads, what's the report?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Fionntamhnach on February 17, 2007, 09:17:18 PM
Final score Tyrone 2-9 Donegal 0-5

Poor enough first half, two frees pointed at the start of the second half looked like Donegal would make a game of it but the last 25 minutes were all Tyrone. McCullagh's Omagh & Newry Town FC experience provided him with the goal & subsequent celebration, Sean Cavanagh took his goal at the end, Gerard Cavan was top dog & a well deserved man of the match.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on February 17, 2007, 09:17:51 PM
Tyrone 2-9 0-5 Donegal 
 
Christy Colhoun is opposed Donegal's Paddy McConigley and Brian Roper
Tyrone won the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup for the fourth year in a row by beating Donegal at Healy Park on Saturday.
The Red Hands had Kevin Hughes sent-off for two yellow but soon afterwards got their first goal when Colm McCullagh netted a left-foot shot on 54 minutes.

Sean Cavanagh got Tyrone's goal late on with the match already won.

Brendan Devenney got three points for Donegal while Cathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone and Pomeroy prospect Christy Colhoun chipped in with two.

Davy Harte, Ger Cavlan, Sean Cavanagh and McCullagh got the rest of the points for Mickey Harte's men.

Kevin McMenamin and Colm McFadden scored points for Donegal.

The dismissal of Hughes looked harsh and after the game Tyrone boss Harte called for the second yellow card to be rescinded.

"To me it was totally accidental. He was going for the ball and the lad tripped over his feet," said harte.

"I would hope it can be looked at again."

 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 17, 2007, 09:19:57 PM

 Thanks!
   Great stuff altogether ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Gold on February 17, 2007, 09:32:47 PM
Gerard Cavlan was top dog -- good one Fionntamhnach!!
 Very Appropriate!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 17, 2007, 10:28:49 PM
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Cathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone

Is he not one of the collage fellas?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ziggysego on February 17, 2007, 10:30:42 PM
Poor first half, that Donegal will kick themselves over. Should have had the game finished up by then, only for missing a sinful of points.

Tyrone were much the better team in the second half, with Calvan being my MOTM. Great points from McCarron and super goals from McCullagh and Cavanagh.

Thought that Hughes second yellow was harsh and the replay footage when I got home proved that.

As to the comment about it being an unfair home advantage to Tyrone. Two points to add to that:

1) Donegal had home advantage in 2004
2) Crossmaglen get home advantage in the Armagh County Championship final every year
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 17, 2007, 11:18:43 PM
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Cathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone
Is he not one of the collage fellas?
No McCarron is a Tyrone player who goes to St Marys and has never played for them. (I thought he got 4 points). McCaul on the other hand has recently played for UUJ and also played for Tyrone tonight. Could be some controversy ahead. That's all some journalists were interested in after the match. The Ulster Council will probably await the referees report and then decide what action (if any) to take.
Very poor first half with Donegal in particular shooting a lot of wides. Their shooting was terrible. I thought it was that they weren't used to the lights but then they played well enough under them in the National League recently. Main action of first half was the replacement of C McGinley as he had picked up a yellow and tick. Tyrone led 0-4 to 0-2 at half time and when Donegal leveled after HT it looked like game on. Tyrone came to life in the second half just before and after Kevin Hughes was sent off for two yellows. From then on you would have thought Donegal had the man short. O'Neill and Mugsy came on to assist the cause and O'Neill played the remainder of the game very deep. Wouldn't read too much into the result as Tyrone were in a similar position in 2004 and Donegal recovered to collar them in the Championship a few weeks later. However it was yet again an experimental Tyrone side who came through in the end.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Orior on February 17, 2007, 11:22:24 PM
Some of the shooting by Devenney reminded me of a Division 4 club match. And Tyrone can shove their soccer skills where the sun dont shine.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 17, 2007, 11:30:10 PM
And Tyrone can shove their soccer skills where the sun dont shine.

What under the floodlights Orior?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 17, 2007, 11:37:20 PM

  Now Now Orior,
 Its only the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 17, 2007, 11:45:00 PM
Some interesting performances.

Colhoun's direct running and speed of thought was impressive. McCarron knows where the posts are, although I see similarities with Mark Harte. Devenney roasted McGinley with the first ball he got and dragged him everywhere. Cormac is a horses for courses fella. Could probably handle Donaghy and Clarke but the likes of Devenney or Gooch would destroy him.

For all the euphoria at home at the plethora of talent, I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG. Up front we were rather toothless first half. Plenty of 'Penrose' type footballers.

Cavlan has it still.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: J70 on February 18, 2007, 03:22:30 AM
2 smashing goals! Donegal are poor!


Everyone has been talking us up for the past two weeks, after writing us off after the Armagh game. Now the backlash will start again.

We'll see what the summer brings, but building a team like Donegal up after a couple of league games or dismissing us as no-hopers after a McKenna Cup game is nonsense. Hopefully McIver will make good use of the lessons learned tonight. That's the most important thing in the long run.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 18, 2007, 03:47:03 AM

  " I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG"

 Maybe but i'd go for Cavlin over Hughes/Holmes anyday and McCullagh/Mellon is a no brainer!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 12:07:58 PM
Did anybody record the game off TG4?    I set the dvd but on the wrong channel!  :(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: sam03/05 on February 18, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
2005 team is a strong team without doubt.
However its nice to have like men like Mulgrew, Cavanagh, Marlowe, Carlin, Cavlan, Hughes, McCaul all pushing for places thats something we didnt have in 2005. These players would get into any county team in the land.

Anyone know when he will pick his squad? and how many he intends to pick?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 02:12:37 PM
Anyone know when he will pick his squad? and how many he intends to pick?

From his interviews Mickey intends to have a panel of around 36/37 of which he will name 30 on match day. He has a panel of around 45 at the moment so he will lose around 8/9. I'd say he has a fair idea of those 8/9 at this stage and they will hear very very shortly.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 02:36:19 PM
Tyrone set for Council showdown
 
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6373463.stm
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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Sandy Hill on February 18, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
Quote
However its nice to have like men like Mulgrew, Cavanagh, Marlowe, Carlin, Cavlan, Hughes, McCaul . These players would get into any county team in the land.

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 04:40:21 PM
Tyrone set for Council showdown
 
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6373463.stm
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Harte's an awful p***k.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 04:46:07 PM
Try again Pint. It appears that the first post on every new page disappears :'(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 04:53:03 PM
Quote
Tyrone set for Council showdown
 
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.

I said, Harte's an awful p***k.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 04:54:59 PM
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Tyrone set for Council showdown
 
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.

I said, Harte's an awful p***k.

Naw I would have said he's more like a "thorn". Ask Joe Kernan  ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 05:14:58 PM
The whole game can now be viewed on TG4 Website. Click the link below

http://www.tg4.tv/

and then choose: Spórt - Cartlann
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 06:37:04 PM
I'm not Joe's biggest fan but with Harte, the Omagh shutout and now all this with the McKenna cup, he's a p***k, pure and simple.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 06:37:25 PM
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I said, Harte's an awful p***k.

So you've been down the front of his trousers checking?? 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 06:39:26 PM
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I'm not Joe's biggest fan but with Harte, the Omagh shutout and now all this with the McKenna cup, he's a p***k, pure and simple

He's also the best manager in Ireland tho, so I think we'll put up with him for another while.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 07:27:57 PM
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I said, Harte's an awful p***k.

So you've been down the front of his trousers checking?? 
Nah I'll leave the ball licking to you lot.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 18, 2007, 07:50:54 PM

  Would you ever get over yourself Pint, should you not be on the Cross Bandwagon By now anyway.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 07:56:24 PM
Um, I'm from silverbridge, so I think the chances of me jumping on the "cross bandwagon" are somewhere between slim and none.

I note no one is fit to justify Harte's actions.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 08:01:01 PM
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I note no one is fit to justify Harte's actions.

If we thought you were talking anything other than sh*te we might have a go.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
So you're perfectly happy for him to break the rules not once, but twice.
You're perfectly happy to have him take an internal disagreement to the media? i.e. omagh shutout.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 18, 2007, 08:18:09 PM

  No one and nothing is perfect Pint, not even your Anti - Everything Tyrone Agenda.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: reddgnhand on February 18, 2007, 09:32:44 PM
So you're perfectly happy for him to break the rules not once, but twice.
You're perfectly happy to have him take an internal disagreement to the media? i.e. omagh shutout.

Harte did what he did in the interest of Tyrone football. I have no problems with that. Regarding taking an internal disagreement to the media i again have no problem with that either. The only one who seems annoyed by it is yourself pint.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 07:42:13 AM

Interests of tyrone football me arse.

Pints is right. as has been pointed out on another thread, harte has a panel of about 45 players at the minute and he absolutely has to see these 2 play in a meaningless mckenna cup match? he was even so clandesdine as to not name them in advance.

This is nothing short of the peacock showing his feathers. c**k being the operative word.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 08:20:54 AM
Well done Mickey Harte. Found out a lot more about the fringe players on Saturday against a relatively strong and previously unbeaten Donegal team. I'd be much more confident now of throwing them into the likes of Cork in the league. Spot on again, leader.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Will Hunting on February 19, 2007, 08:24:07 AM
Surely if Tyrone were deducted points for playing certain players in a previous round of the competition, a similar punishment should be issued for this game i.e. the McKenna Cup stripped off them. Was Harte oblivious to the Ulster Council's stance a few weeks ago? Is he and Tyrone above the law? Does Harte get to do what he wants all the time?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 08:24:49 AM

Interests of tyrone football me arse.

Pints is right. as has been pointed out on another thread, harte has a panel of about 45 players at the minute and he absolutely has to see these 2 play in a meaningless mckenna cup match? he was even so clandesdine as to not name them in advance.

This is nothing short of the peacock showing his feathers. c**k being the operative word.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
Surely if Tyrone were deducted points for playing certain players in a previous round of the competition, a similar punishment should be issued for this game i.e. the McKenna Cup stripped off them. Was Harte oblivious to the Ulster Council's stance a few weeks ago? Is he and Tyrone above the law? Does Harte get to do what he wants all the time?

The previous penalty seemed to be over choice. This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking. I don't think anyone really cares anyway, (apart from the Orangemen!!).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: imtommygunn on February 19, 2007, 08:52:43 AM
People do care, Mickey Harte has shown blatant disregard for rules again and the way he went about it was devious too.

The people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?

The unis are out - yes they're out of the mckenna cup but that's not the point. There's a whole league to blood players. The whole think stinks in my opinion. Mickey Harte is a great tactically astute manage - possibly one of the best there's ever been. His attitude at times however stinks. This is one of those times.

He is cutting of his nose to spite his face too. All the uni players he picked would have played all games for their unis. Now they have played about one and a half each for Tyrone. Which would have benefited them more? All he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.

Next year the ulster council should have a penalty system. If players are picked for their uni then if a county also picks them they will be fined and the players not allowed to play in the competition.

Some of them boys might not play sigerson this year now and it looks like the Poly could win it. They may never get that chance again now. Shame.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Will Hunting on February 19, 2007, 09:00:07 AM
This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking.
It shouldn't matter if the Unis are out - it is still the same competition!

The basic point in all this is that Mickey Harte wants to show that he can do whatever he wants - all the time. That's what this is about. Harte has to be right all the time. This was vindicated by his post-match interview on Saturday night. His main concern was going on about how Kevin Hughes shouldn't have received a second yellow card and it should be rescinded immediately. I hope the Ulster Council were watching and called an emergency meeting to sort this out for Mickey!! By the way, if you trip someone from behind with no eyes on the ball, what else could it have been other than a yellow card??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 09:03:57 AM
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The people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week?

I'm sorry but that's crap. You should ask the players themselves what they'd rather play in and for. There were a few Tyrone county players playing last week in the Sigerson games.

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Mickey Harte has shown blatant disregard for rules again

Ok, state the ruling that Mickey broke in the final

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There's a whole league to blood players

With a panel the size of Mickey's and with the increased importance of the NFL this year, that's not the case. Throw in the plethora of injured established players he needs to get fit again, all competitive games were of high importance.

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Now they have played about one and a half each for Tyrone

Wrong. Throw in the McKenna games and the early NFL games, they've seen plenty of football.

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All he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.

Wrong. If that was the case you'd just pick players straight out of club football and throw them into the county side as they've been 'watched' . You need to see players playing your system, alongside the same county players and against opposition of a similar standard.

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Some of them boys might not play sigerson this year now and it looks like the Poly could win it. They may never get that chance again now. Shame.

If I were you I'd keep your powder dry for now.


Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 09:07:08 AM
This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking.
It shouldn't matter if the Unis are out - it is still the same competition!

The basic point in all this is that Mickey Harte wants to show that he can do whatever he wants - all the time. That's what this is about. Harte has to be right all the time. This was vindicated by his post-match interview on Saturday night. His main concern was going on about how Kevin Hughes shouldn't have received a second yellow card and it should be rescinded immediately. I hope the Ulster Council were watching and called an emergency meeting to sort this out for Mickey!! By the way, if you trip someone from behind with no eyes on the ball, what else could it have been other than a yellow card??

No, Mickey was embarrassingly wrong there regarding Hughes. A Wenger moment.

As with most controversies, good will come from it. The Ulster council will tighten up its rulings for 2008....and maybe also they'll not force certain teams to play in the competition when they ask not to.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: imtommygunn on February 19, 2007, 09:12:07 AM
What have the early NFL games got to do with the McKenna cup? Solely McKenna cup games they've got about a game and a half.

Who would they rather play for? I'd say they'd rather play for both. In a number of cases that was taken away from them.

Ok I don't know the written rules but surely it's something surrounding universities get precedence for county players.

The point is not who they'd rather play for. Everyone aspires to play for their county- that's the ultimate goal. Going through uni they would also be mad keen to play ball for their university. The players have had their hand forced as to who to play for.

When them boys play mckenna cup they're playing against county players so if they played for their uni they were still doing that. If they were scouted at club level ultimately all they were doing was playing against other club players. Play for uni against county players - you prove yourself against county players. Play for county against county players - you prove yourself against county players . Play club matches - you prove yourself against club players. There's a difference.

Stay off the powder for now... wise up. Mayeb I'm going a bit far saying they'll not get another chance to win sigerson. There is a possibility though. They've all their careers to play for tyrone. Two or three for university. Elaborate... Where was Colm Kavanagh last wednesday? Where would he have been had he played mckenna for tyrone...

Title: Gaelic Life
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 09:12:56 AM
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College kid Cathal reckons he made the right call

By Ronan Scott

Tyrone rookie Cathal McCarron has expressed his disappointment at the flood of negative press that surrounded his inclusion on Mickey Harte's McKenna Cup side against Derry.

McCarron was delighted at being offered a place in his county set up, a boyhood dream of his, but the whole situation was marred when the Red Hands came under fire for breaking competition rules.

"It was good to be part of the team but the whole situation was ruined by all the talk in the newspapers. Every day you picked up a paper there was something else being written about it," he said.

"Tyrone is the team you want to be playing for and everyone at my university knew that when I was offered a chance to play for Tyrone that is what I would be doing. In fact a lot of boys at Jordanstown told me they would do exactly the same thing if they were in my situation."

The vicious debate centred around the rules stating that universities were supposed to have first choice on their players. Mickey Harte railed against that interpretation of the rules while former Tyrone trainer Paddy Tally commented that any footballer choosing to play for their county would risk their place on his St Mary's side ahead of the Sigerson Cup competition.

St Mary's student McCarron, along with Jordanstown's Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh and Brendan Boggs all accepted the call from Harte to play for Tyrone and were duly selected. As a result the Tyrone county board is expected to be punished but the county will remain in the competition. Their game on Sunday against Cavan was under threat of being postponed but Tyrone took a step back and revealed that they would not field any students in that game.

All this was extremely disappointing for McCarron who only wanted to play football for the county he loves, and to add insult to injury he expressed disappointment that his name wasn't even included on last Sunday's programme.

"It was a big day for me and a lot of people were texting me before the game to wish me well. But to get there and my name was not on the programme was a big let down," he said.

That disappointment must have helped him though as he went on to score a goal and three points against Derry.

"I found that playing in the McKenna Cup was a real step up. I was very sore the day after. People say that the competition is not up to the pace but I don't agree with that. The players in the senior team are top professionals and playing alongside Owen Mulligan was a real honour," he said.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: thejohnharanexperi on February 19, 2007, 09:15:59 AM
Tyrone were the better team with fairly good reward from scoring opportunities presented.We should have been outta sight at half time and by my reckoning had 13 missed chances in the first half alone.It's absolutely dire for county players to kick four shots weakly into the keeper's hands whilst 8 of the 9 wides were relatively staight forward point chances.Played very well defensively in the first fifteen minutes and 3 of the four Tyrone points in the opening half were via unforced errors by Donegal men.The confidence drain in front of goal was confirmed in the second half and the sending off as is so often the case benifited the 14 men of Tyrone.The last goal put a gloss on the scoreline with the last attacks by Donegal focussing solely on trying to raise a green flag.Mc Iver could have put Hegarty on much earlier as the supply to Devenney and Wappa dried up in the second half.I still think based on the first half display that we can beat the Dubs in the Park on Sunday provided we bring some shooting boots with us.Hopefully this defeat does'nt set the confidence back too far as two points on Sunday should see us safe for next year regardless of what happens in the rest of the league.Anyway 12 finals and counting...............................

Ciaran Sharkey 6.5 Kickouts were good but feel he should have been quicker out to close down Mc Cullagh and hopefully Michael Boyle will start on Sunday

Frank Mc Glynn 7.5 Really tightly marked the speedy corner forward and hopefully has'nt pulled the hamstring when subbed

Paddy Campbell 6.5 What himself and Barry Monaghan were doing so far out of position for their first goal beggars belief.Will be under pressure from Neil Mc Gee for the full back spot as the year progresses.

Eamon Mc Gee 6.0 Not a natural corner back with some very loose marking.The constant positional changes have caused his form to dip and is not the same player as last year.

Barry Dunnion 8.0 Our best player who constantly broke forward and took a fair few hits in the process.Absolute beast of an engine.

Barry Monaghan 6.5 Played well in first half but was lost as extra man and AWOL for goal.Talk of a midfield berth is wide of the mark as too one paced.Found himself in central position 40m out and opted to pass when simple point chance on offer.

Paddy Mc Conagely 7.0 Good opening and played well throughout but if his man broke the tackle could be caught for pace.Still has realistic chance of wing back position come the Summer.

Neil Gallagher 7.0 Some fine fetches in first half but still not fully up to match pace.Caught in possession and slow to release early ball in.

Kevin Cassidy 6.5 Not as effective in attacking sense mainly foraging around midfield and obviously not able to keep up with Cavanagh's forward runs

Christy Toye 6.0 Our half forward line this year are not getting enough scores and some time on the bench might get them to re-focus.Seems to have carried last years dull form into 2007.Toye's ability not showing up in games.

Ciaran Bonner 7.0 Never stopped but has been more effective starting in the corner and allowed to roam.

Brian Roper 6.5 Another foraging role and along with Bradley improved our breaking ball stat. but this meant that we really had only two out and out forwards in Dev and Wappa.

Kevin Mc Menamin 6.5 Once again with Dev received good ball in first half but unlike against Mayo it was out on the 40.Both he and Devenney require this ball within 30m of goal as they both can turn and make space for a shot only briefly before being closed down.No capacity to score from long range.

Brendan Devenney 7.0 Guilty of kicking two hurried left foot efforts that barely trundled intp Mc Connels hands.Far too hasty and no composure when kicking.Could see the teams confidence begin to drain with every failed effort on his part.However kept going till end and certainly has hunger back to do well.Less evidence of the trademark whinging as well.

Ryan Bradley 6.0 Given the job of scrapping for breaks and tracking back on Tyrone attacks so ability to do score limited.Should be given start on Sunday on the wing in best position.

Subs: Colm Mc Fadden 6.5 Took point well but contributed patchily in remaining minutes as game became scrappy.

Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Sound and should start ahead of Mc Gee at the moment

Michael Murphy and Michael Hegarty not on long enough to rate.



Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: nrico2006 on February 19, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
Great win and will be interesting to see the final panel.  Cavlan was brilliant and after his showing against monaghan on Tuesday it seems he is back to his best.  As for the criers on about college players, sry up.  The colleges are out of the competition and even so I still believe tyrone shouldnt have been docked 2 points after the derry game, but thats in the past.  At the end of the day all the players are from Tyrone, and those who are whinging should really concentrate their efforts on supporting their own county sides, a hint of jealousy at the talent coming though in Tyrone.  A great win in the McKenna cup final with a team that was missing a large number of its stars.  It bides well for the future!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: loughshore lad on February 19, 2007, 09:36:09 AM

For all the euphoria at home at the plethora of talent, I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG. Up front we were rather toothless first half. Plenty of 'Penrose' type footballers.

Cavlan has it still.



I think this pretty much summarises it particularly well.
It wont be until the summer and the heat of the championship until we know if these new guys have the stomach for the battle as opposed to the core of players that we know do have what it takes.
In reality the match on Saturday night was quite a poor affair with the scoreline flattering Tyrone in my opinion. Donegal were the much more prominent team in the first half and should have been in the ascendancy at half time, they panicked when they realised they had dominated the game but not translated this on to the score board.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 10:09:06 AM
absolutely lads but we have a fair idea who dosent have the belly for it after last year.  you cant use midsummer arguements to criticise lads who are doing everything for us at the moment.  I thought Mc Caul was our best defender at the back on Saturday, particularly when we were under pressure. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 19, 2007, 10:26:12 AM
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All he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.

That's how half-assed counties do it but not Tyrone.  Watch & learn.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 10:54:08 AM
Mc Caul is growing in stature with every game,  I believe Harte has unearthed a real cracker there.  Cavlan is the best footballer in Ireland at the moment, if he keeps it up it will be an all star year for him.  Mc Ginley worries me greatly.  Forward line took a long time to get going.  Hub Hughes is not at the races this year at all lads.     
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 19, 2007, 11:28:55 AM
Was that Hubs second or third sending off this year?  Isn there a rule about 3 sendings-off which carries a longer suspension?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 11:44:52 AM
Derry 06 cship striking
fermanagh 07 2 yellows
Donegal Mc kenna Cup 2 yellows (second one should be appealed  it was not a bookng imo)
but still 3 sendings off in his last 6 games for Tyrone.  This needs to be corrected.

In my opinion Hub Hughes has slowed up too much and lacks the power he had 4 years ago(2003).  this was his strength.  He had a good second half against Dublin, but over the amount of game time that he has had this year that would not be enough for me.  I think he will make the panel but needs to buck up to be of any use to cavanagh alongside him. he has had a year out of football and i think he has struggled to get back to the level we all wish he was at.  the sendings off are just an indication that its not going for him. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 12:16:15 PM
As for the criers on about college players, sry up.

The point, you total ass, is that harte has thumbed his nose at the ulster council and shown total disregard for rules adhered to by every other team who entered the competition. outside of that, noone cares about the ins and outs of how well the tyrone trials are coming along and how ye are gonna win the champions league and the cricket world cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 12:24:43 PM
Uladh I understand wher you are coming from.  For many years now Armagh club football has been in crisis because of Big Joe holding it to ransom.  Mickey harte dosent do this in tyrone, he is fallible and makes msitakes like big Joe but has some good points as well, you must admit.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 12:31:30 PM

i know the board is playing up and there is difficulty following threads, but you might as well have posted something about the planet venus as that shite. what are you on about?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
i could harp on about Big joes impact on Armagh club football, but in fairness I see his good points and let him off.  Why not do the same with Harte?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: laughinpaddy on February 19, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
Hartes record speaks for itself, i'm not to sure how many minor all-ireland finals his team has contested as for senior well, contested two won two. as for big joe holding the county board to ransom I think thats shite..... he is the county board!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 01:23:43 PM

we are debating harte's disregard for rules and complete distain for the ulster council. did i miss something?



it's totally irrelevent to the state of armagh club football, which has produced 3 all ireland club titles in the last 10 years...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: nrico2006 on February 19, 2007, 01:24:19 PM
Uladh, your spouting of shite is nearly as annoying as a f**king cheeky girls song.  Wind your neck in, Tyrone took their punishment for the fielding of uni players in the Derry game, and we have moved on.  Point is, the uni's were no longer involved in the competition and if a player CHOOSES to make himself available to play for his County, who is Mickey Harte to stand in his way if the lad is good enough.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: tyroneman on February 19, 2007, 01:29:17 PM
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we are debating harte's disregard for rules and complete distain for the ulster council. did i miss something?

So Uladh.....please specify which rules exactly MH has disregarded in fielding the McKenna final team.

Not your personal opinion, no mention of the 'spirit' of the cup but the actual rukles he has contravined.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 01:30:34 PM
Uladhs got a good point there, one that I am sypathetic with.... yes hes afraid that Tyrone are breaking rules however in this case the rules do no longer apply.  As for Armagh Club football being strong.  Do any of our other esteeemed Armagh contributors wish to back Uladh up on this?  Im waiting!!!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 01:41:07 PM

nrico

"Tyrone took their punishment for the fielding of uni players in the Derry game, and we have moved on.  Point is, the uni's were no longer involved in the competition and if a player CHOOSES to make himself available to play for his County, who is Mickey Harte to stand in his way if the lad is good enough."

no son, by the rules, the uni players are unaviable to their county for the remainder of the competition. they were leniantly punished the last time and should be more harshly dealt with this time.

at no time has harte said that he wasn't breaking the rules, only that he doesn't agree with them. its only barroom barristers from the bushes on here who think that some fantastic legal loophole should be the answer every time another of their offspring breaks any rule.


Tyroneman

If they haven't broken any rules, why were they deducted points previosly and why didn't the litigious mr harte appeal?


Realhandfan

who claimed armagh club football was strong?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 02:30:34 PM


no son, by the rules, the uni players are unaviable to their county for the remainder of the competition. they were leniantly punished the last time and should be more harshly dealt with this time.



Lads, you're wasting your time here. There are some knowledgeable Armaghicans on the board. Unfortunately young Uladh here is the Armagh village idiot of the board.

He seems to think Tyrone played some players who played for the Unis during the competition.

Best just to nod.....the same way we did when he claimed Mickey hadn't 'the balls' to play the students.

(A serious word of advice for the lad, if you're going to use medium to big words, try to spell them correctly)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: realredhandfan on February 19, 2007, 02:32:07 PM
Listen........ thats the sound of Uladh ploughing a very lonely furrow..
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: imtommygunn on February 19, 2007, 02:52:48 PM
I wouldn't have said it was a lone furrow - I'd have thought many people shared his views...

I hold nothing against Tyrone - quite like their style of football. The way they've behaved with regard to university players in this mckenna cup has been , in my opinion and I would't say I'm alone,slap bang out of order.

They didn't respect rules put in place for competition. They didn't respect those players as they put them in a position where they were probably aware they were screwed for county chances for the year, and possibly further, if they went against Mickey Harte and played university. They didn't respect the universities by not giving them thei rplayers in preparation for the sigerson campaign.

Spout all the bullshit you want about the rules. I don't know how finely detailed it was but the understanding of managers was that universities should have precedence on county players. Every other manager respected that - why not Mickey Harte. If you're saying it wasn't a rule but it wasn't written down explicitly and to the finest detail and was just assumed then I think that's being stupidly pedantic.

Forget petty grudges between tyrone - armagh and all the rest. They were slap bang out of order - and what did these players get for their trouble? About one and a half games in a tyrone setup and a severe hole in their chances of playing sigerson.

When are they even reducing their panel? Have they not still a big panel for the league? Training panel anyway - obviously for match day it'll have to be reduced.



Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: magpie seanie on February 19, 2007, 02:57:42 PM
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.

From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 19, 2007, 03:00:23 PM
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.

From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.
Surely the game has to be Donegal V Monaghan if Tyrone are thrown out of the competition?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2007, 03:16:21 PM
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The people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?


Where were they? Two played (McCaul and Boggs), and one was injured (Cavanagh), hence why he didn't appear on Sat night. The other I am not too sure.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 19, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
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The people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?
Where were they? Two played (McCaul and Boggs), and one was injured (Cavanagh), hence why he didn't appear on Sat night. The other I am not too sure.

Did Cavanagh not play for Jordanstown freshers on Saturday norf?

GMIT dump out UUJ
17 February 2007
Eoin Concannon was the hero for Galway-Mayo IT as his side recorded a 3-12 to 2-13 All-Ireland Freshers semi-final win over UUJ at Garrison county Fermanagh.
Concannon scored a dramatic late goal to upset the vaunted visitors in a real thrilling encounter.
GMIT raced into an early lead with 1-2 from the boot of Donegal man Brendan McGuire but UUJ steadied themselves and eased their way back into the match thanks in the main to Tyrone youngster Colm Kavanagh.
GMIT enjoyed a 2-6 to 1-7 advantage with Mayo senior Aidan Campbell’s goal setting them on the frontfoot.
UUJ Came out a revitalised outfit for the second half and held a one point lead with time almost up only for Concannon to spoil the party for the Ulstermen.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72929
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Star Spangler on February 19, 2007, 03:30:04 PM
What say did the 9 county boards have in the decision to allow university sides to play in the competition?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 03:33:55 PM
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.

From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.

Seanie... noone gives a shite about the mckenna cup (except harte)... least of all the colleges from what i can gather. if you read carefully, you will see that the point i am making is larger one with respect to harte's total disregard for the ulster council and the rules of the association in general.

his count was already punished for exactly this infringement and yet e just doea the same thing again. they should be excluded from the competition next year.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 19, 2007, 03:39:07 PM
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they should be excluded from the competition next year.

probably the only way anyone else might win it!  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 19, 2007, 03:45:38 PM
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they should be excluded from the competition next year.

probably the only way anyone else might win it!  :D

And the McKenna's et al will go into hiding again  :D :D :D Gaelic life and TG4 would love that NOT
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
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GMIT raced into an early lead with 1-2 from the boot of Donegal man Brendan McGuire but UUJ steadied themselves and eased their way back into the match thanks in the main to Tyrone youngster Colm Kavanagh.

Is he a fresher? I thought he was in his last year?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Armamike on February 19, 2007, 05:17:42 PM
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As for Armagh Club football being strong.  Do any of our other esteeemed Armagh contributors wish to back Uladh up on this?  Im waiting!!!!

RRHF - how are you measuring the strength of the club scene?
Armagh currently mightn't be the strongest, compared to Derry for instance, but it's not exactly the weakest either. Armagh's senior club won Ulster and is in the AI final (4th time in 10 years). The intermediate club reached the Ulster final and only last narrowly after a replay to Coleraine, who are now in the AI final. Didn't fare as well on the junior front, though An Portmor didn't disgrace themselves, winning their first round game and then only narrowly beaten (while missing 2-3 key players).   

For fear of being tarred anti-Tyrone here, i agree with Uladh re. Mickey Harte's total disdain for the rules of the McKenna cup.  It's not just the McKenna cup though, he's been acting a law onto himself this past couple of years. This is just another case of Mickey trying to bend/break the rules to suit himself.  Inevitably the Tyrone posters here will defend his right to do so to the hilt, while some of the rest of us might view his actions in a slightly different light.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 19, 2007, 06:01:08 PM

  " Seanie... noone gives a shite about the mckenna cup (except harte)... least of all the colleges from what i can gather."

  Boo Hoo Uladh, While your gathering, Gather up those Kleenex's that piling up around your feet. :'(
 Your making a fool of yourself.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: tyroneman on February 19, 2007, 08:38:13 PM
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If they haven't broken any rules, why were they deducted points previosly and why didn't the litigious mr harte appeal?

Once again Uladh...................quote me the rule(s) MH has broken. Not your opinion that he has - quote the actual rule.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 19, 2007, 08:41:48 PM
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Over the Bar on February 19, 2007, 08:58:13 PM
you'd think MH had done something to annoy you sout armagh ones pint!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: reddgnhand on February 19, 2007, 10:04:01 PM
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.

A few extra sugars in your tea required pint. It might sweeten you up a bit.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Final Tyrone V Donegal
Post by: Tyrones own on February 19, 2007, 10:09:57 PM
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.

     ::) Your intellectual ability knows no bounds!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Fuzzman on February 20, 2007, 01:18:58 PM
As I said back at the time when he first played the lads.

Most people would agree (even ye biased fans) that Tyrone are in with a good chance of an AI this year.

If you were a young player coming into the squad and you knew that this could be your ONLY chance of winning an AI medal as the main core of the team may have reached their peak now,

Would you Opt to play for your UNI and just maybe win a sigerson but sit in the stand on AI final day.

Of course Mickey Harte and the players involved made a selfish decision but at the end of the year how do you judge a manager and a team. Hardly by some pre-season cup goodwill.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: tyroneman on February 20, 2007, 01:24:08 PM
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main core of the team may have reached their peak now

Mugsy, SON, Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan are all young enough and have at least another 3-5 years high level football in them.

Only Dooher and Cavlan are pushing close to 30
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 20, 2007, 01:56:15 PM
If Tyrone are found quilty of playing illegal players at the Ulster Council meeting tomorrow night, they will be thrown out of the McKenna Cup. The team manager, selectors and County Secretary can also be suspended for up to 52 weeks. The 2 players involved will also face long suspensions. There is no limit to the fine that can be imposed.
A heavey price to pay for the McKenna Cup?

http://www.gaa.ie/files/pdf/og_part_1_2007.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/files/pdf/og_part_1_2007.pdf)

Here's a link to a copy of the rules for Mickey.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 20, 2007, 02:53:49 PM
Harte says no rules were broken
20 February 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte has remained defiant in the face of reports that the Ulster Council is considering awarding the McKenna Cup to defeated finalists Donegal.
The O’Neill County beat Donegal in last weekend’s decider in Omagh but the decision to play two college players may see the Ulster Council rule that Tyrone infringed the rules of the competition.
"I can’t see how they could justify taking the McKenna Cup away from us," the Tyrone boss commented.
"I don’t understand how, if they didn’t play with their colleges, they couldn’t be eligible to play for Tyrone. They didn’t play for their colleges because they wanted to play for their county.
"Just because they are studying at an institute it doesn’t mean they should have to play with them. What if they didn’t want to play?
"We’re losing sight of something here. The McKenna Cup is an intercounty competition. The colleges are visitors and visitors don’t dictate the rules."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73056

In 2004 the Ulster Council allowed Sean Cavanagh and Joe McMahon to play for Tyrone in later rounds after their Colleges (who they had played for) were knocked out. A Derry player even played for both Derry and his College. A rule was later introduced that players would no longer be able to play for both. Neither of these guys have played for both in this competition. They have only played for Tyrone. If Donegal had of used some of their players from Sligo IT/DCU etc in the McKenna Cup final would they be liable for the same infringement? (Granted they didn't as Sligo It were playing in their respective final) 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 20, 2007, 03:29:38 PM
“We have a lot of work to do,’’ says McIver
20 February 2007
Donegal team-manager Brian McIver pointed to Kevin Hughes’s red card as a galvanising factor for the Tyrone success in the Dr. McKenna Cup final at Healy Park, Omagh.
“At the stage where Kevin Hughes was sent off we were still very much in the game. Hughes departed from the scene and then you would have thought they had the extra-man in the last 15 to 20 minutes of the match. But we have to learn from that.
“We still have a lot of work to do in terms of our forward play. We had no direction or cohesion in the opening half, when there was a plentiful supply of ball going into the attack. I can’t blame the defence or midfield for the opening half. But once we went behind coming up to the half-time break in a match we were dominating, we were always going to have an uphill battle.
“Losing a McKenna Cup final so early in the season is not a disaster. We can take some good points from this game, and hopefully learn from our mistakes, and put this to good use in the future,’’ he concluded.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73047
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on February 20, 2007, 03:54:46 PM
Tipical Tyrone,always cheatin! Have u never herd of fairplay?? Even if offical rules werent broke theres rules of fairplay u no?? Tramps. Always draggin the GAA down.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: tyroneman on February 20, 2007, 09:48:05 PM
Regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of the whole episode the past history would suggest that any decent barrister (wonder who hmmmmmm) would tear shreds in any argument the council try to put up.

The bottom line is the rules were not properly thought out in the first place and will have to be tightened next year.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 20, 2007, 10:11:58 PM
Tipical Tyrone,always cheatin! Have u never herd of fairplay?? Even if offical rules werent broke theres rules of fairplay u no?? Tramps. Always draggin the GAA down.

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up. If I didn't know better I'd say the most plentiful fruit in the Orchard these days were the sourest of grapes!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 20, 2007, 10:19:49 PM
Hear Canavan's looking to return to Tyrone but St Mary's, where he did his teacher training, won't let him. Any truth in this?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Tyrones own on February 21, 2007, 12:26:47 AM
 Na its only Armagh that may need to be taking back an o'l fella, sure you Armagh boys are well aware
that we in Tyrone have no end of talent coming through and therefore no need to be holding on to the past :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: David McKeown on February 21, 2007, 10:04:41 AM
"We’re losing sight of something here. The McKenna Cup is an intercounty competition. The colleges are visitors and visitors don’t dictate the rules."

I completely agree with MH here the colleges dont make the rules, but then again neither do the countys or their managers.  It's up to the provinical associations.  If the rules arent codified enough then Tyrone should receive no punishment, however if the rules are clear enough then they should recieve the same penalty that clubs and countys who have not had the success of Tyrone would recieve.  Failure to do this will result in future problems for the association.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: nrico2006 on February 21, 2007, 11:01:52 AM
That point is the exact same point I made about 2 weeks ago after the Derry debacle.  They should not be dictating when its an Inter-County competition.  The players are from the county and wanted to play for their county.  If they werent interested in playing for their universities, why should they?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: imtommygunn on February 21, 2007, 11:24:56 AM
Do you not think they'd maybe like to play for both and have their hands forced?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: nrico2006 on February 21, 2007, 01:23:56 PM
Quite possible that maybe that is the case, but they obviously made their choice to play for Tyrone and that should have been respected.  It is an inter-county competition after all, and an ideal one for trying out players for the new season.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 21, 2007, 03:39:26 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup

Tyrone 2-9 Donegal 0-5
Tyrone retained the McKenna Cup at Healy Park on Saturday night when they had a surprisingly comfortable ten point victory over neighbours Donegal. The Red Hands once again fielded a mixture of youth and experience and again the formula produced a winning combination as Tyrone made it seven wins out of seven this season.
Donegal fielded a strong starting fifteen with Tyrone opting to start with only four players that featured in their All Ireland success of two seasons ago although their bench was laden with Celtic cross winners such as Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Owen Mulligan and Stephen O’Neill, the latter duo joining the action in the second half. Donegal dominated in terms of possession in the opening half but they contrived to miss chance after chance. They were inevitably made to pay as Tyrone got into their stride in the second half with some eye catching scores as they won with a bit to spare despite having Kevin Hughes sent off midway through the half.
Donegal went on the attack from the word go with midfielder Neil Gallagher bursting through before offloading to Ciaran Bonner but with a goal chance perhaps on the Tyrone defence managed to clear the danger. Brian Roper then kicked a Donegal wide while Brendan Devenney shot tamely into the arms of Pascal McConnell as the wastefulness of the visitors continued. It was Tyrone who opened the scoring in the fifth minute when Gerald Cavlan found Davy Harte and the halfback thumped over a great point from the right wing. Ciaran Bonner again dropped an effort short into Pascal McConnell before Donegal levelled matters in the eighth minute with a point from play from Brendan Devenney after he had collected a quick free from Christy Toye. Christopher Colhoun and Brian Roper exchanged wides while Donegal’s inability to find the target continued as both Barry Monaghan and Kevin McMenamin again dropped shots short.
Cathal McCarron put Tyrone back in front from a forty metre free as the Red Hands made better used of their limited possession as Christy Toye, Brian Roper, Barry Devenney and defender Barry Dunnion adding to the visitors’ growing tally of missed opportunities. Good work from Brendan Devenney saw him win a thirteen metre free which he converted himself to level matters, Donegal’s first score in twenty two minutes. Gerald Cavlan then blocked Christy Toye and the ball was played to Christopher Coulhoun who ran through to put Tyrone in front with a well taken point. In first half injury time Tyrone made it 0-4 to 0-2 when Gerald Cavlan passed to Colm McCullagh before taking the return and hitting a brilliant point from out on the right wing to bring the first half action to a close.
In the second minute of the second half Donegal reduced the deficit when Kevin McMenamin converted a free and moments later they were level after Brendan Devenney made no mistake from a placed ball as well. At this stage the scene looked set for a ding dong battle but it never materialised as Donegal were to add only one more score to their tally. Tommy McGuigan and Christy Toye exchanged wides while Colm McCullagh was unlucky to see his free kick come back of the post. Good play from Christopher Colhoun saw him place Cathal McCarron for a well taken score in the eighth minute for a lead that Tyrone were never to lose. Good work at the back from Paul McGurk saw him break up a promising Donegal raid and that led to another Tyrone point as Gerald Cavlan’s pass was helped on by Kevin Hughes into the path of Cathal McCarron who swept it over the bar. Donegal came straight down the field for substitute Colm McFadden to score with his first touch but that point in the 13th minute was to prove to be the visitors’ last of the night. A surging Sean Cavanagh run up the left wing finished with the captain dissecting the posts while at the other end of the field Damien McCaul put in a great tackle to dispossess Kevin McMenamin.
Tyrone then lost midfielder Kevin Hughes to a second yellow card but within a couple of minutes they had struck for a goal. Man of the match Gerald Cavlan put a great ball through to Colm McCullagh and the Dromore man did the rest with a first time finish past Donegal keeper Ciaran Sharkey. Tyrone now had their tails up and by the twenty second minute the gap had grown to six after Colm McCullagh punished a foul on Stephen O’Neill by converting the resulting thirty metre free. Paul Quinn was then fouled on a sortie up front and Cathal McCarron brought his tally to four on the night when he knocked over the twenty five metre free from the left wing. By now Donegal were holding a beaten docket and they were denied a consolation goal when Pascal McConnell saved superbly from Brendan Devenney after the full forward had caught the ball and burst through. With the game a minute into injury time Sean Cavanagh capped a fine second half display from his team when he burst through the Donegal defence to send a low shot to the net via the post to complete a convincing victory.

Tyrone - Pascal McConnell, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Damien McCaul, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Paul Quinn, Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Tommy McGuigan, Gerald Cavlan, Christopher Colhoun, Cathal McCarron, Colm McCullagh, Damian McDermott. Subs – Dermot Carlin for Cormac McGinley, Owen Mulligan for Tommy McGuigan, Stephen O’Neill for Christopher Colhoun, Colm Donnelly for Cathal  McCarron, Mickey McGee for Paul McGurk

Donegal - Ciaran Sharkey, Eamon McGee, Paddy Campbell, Frank McGlynn, Paddy McConigley, Barry Monaghan, Barry Dunnion, Kevin Cassidy, Neil Gallagher, Kevin McMenamin, Brendan Devenney, Ryan Bradley. Subs – Colm McFadden for Brian Roper, Leon Thompson for Kevin McMenamin, Thomas Donaghue for Frank McGlynn, Michael Murphy for  Ryan Bradley, Michael Hegarty for Christy Toye

Tyrone scorers – Cathal McCarron 0-4, Colm McCullagh 1-1, Sean Cavanagh 1-1, Davy Harte 0-1, Gerald Cavlan 0-1, Christopher Colhoun 0-1
Donegal scorers – Brendan Devenney 0-3, Kevin McMenamin 0-1, Colm McFadden 0-1
Referee – Joe McQuillan Cavan
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=295
This match can be viewed on www.tg4.ie on the webcast (if you live in Ireland)
Title: Tyrone decision in limbo
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 22, 2007, 11:56:53 AM
Tyrone decision in limbo
22 February 2007
The Ulster Council of the GAA met on Wednesday night, 21st February but failed to come to a decision on Tyrone’s decision to field college players in last weekend’s McKenna Cup final against Donegal.
At the meeting, the referee’s report from the final was read but afterwards the Council declared that the matter was ’ongoing.’
Reports suggest however that Tyrone are likely to be hauled before a disciplinary hearing with the possibility that they’ll have their McKenna Cup triumph nullified.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73142

"they’ll have their McKenna Cup triumph nullified"   - Sounds painful!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Will Hunting on February 22, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
Why is this still 'ongoing'?

Surely they should strip Tyrone off their "title", and leave it at that.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Rois on February 22, 2007, 05:19:39 PM
Strip away, Mickey's got what he wanted, a few extra competitive games to try out new players.  I hardly think the McKenna Cup will be a big loss at the club functions at the end of the year when Sam comes visiting again  :P
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: true ulster gael on February 22, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
ulster council should take the cup away from tyrone and ban them from it next year
might teach micky hart some manners
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: realredhandfan on February 22, 2007, 06:38:24 PM
spoken like a true ulster gael.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: true ulster gael on February 22, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
speaking about me?
micky hart only cares about himself and not the gaa
he and tyrone always try to bend the spirit of the rules
they and the gpa will destroy the gaa with their greed
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 22, 2007, 06:51:27 PM
is that yer man who was banging on about the drinking Mayobridge players were doing?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2007, 07:21:40 PM
speaking about me?
micky hart only cares about himself and not the gaa
he and tyrone always try to bend the spirit of the rules
they and the gpa will destroy the gaa with their greed

He's right. McCracken didn't die for this.
Title: ’Silence didn’t make acceptance’ - Harte
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 23, 2007, 11:40:51 AM

 
Mickey Harte
23 February 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte says just because the O’Neill County didn’t appeal the Ulster Council’s original ruling that the county be docked two points for fielding college players in the McKenna Cup doesn’t mean that the would-be winners accepted the decision. "Just because the previous ruling wasn’t contested, that wasn’t tantamount to acceptance, "Harte insisted."In the interests of the continuity of the competition, that was maybe why nothing happened at that time.
"I would have expected an appeal, but I would understand as well that if an appeal was going to hold up the competition and upset the whole scene for the rest of the year, then that had to be brought into consideration as well."But it certainly wasn’t an acceptance of the previous ruling, that’s for sure.

www.hoganstand.com
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 24, 2007, 12:41:13 AM
Hard fax missing as Tyrone row rumbles on over delay

Friday February 23rd 2007
QUESTIONS will again be raised about GAA bureacracy after the Ulster Council failed to deal with a player eligibility issue this week because they had not received the referee's report in time.
The issue related to the final of the McKenna Cup, which took place last Saturday, five days before Wednesday night's meeting. Referees have three days in which to submit their report and it is understood that Cavan official Joe McQuillan had done so but that there was a postal delay.
Ulster officials said yesterday that reports sometimes take five days to reach them.
Faxed

But questions will be asked about why the referee's report could not have been faxed or collected. Whenever there are disciplinary matters arising from a referee's report it is recommended that they fax it initially, before forwarding the final copy by post.
The GAA recently said that disciplinary procedures would be speeded up by letting referees email their reports, but this system is not yet in place.
The matter now looks likely to be shelved until after Saturday's Ulster Convention at which outgoing provincial chairman Michael Greenan will be replaced by Donegal's Tom Daly.
The matter involved Tyrone who are expected to face a sanction for breaching Dr McKenna Cup rules in last weekend's final.
The county fielded two university players - Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul - during their final win over Donegal on Saturday having earlier being docked points in the group stages for the same offence. Competition rules state that university sides should have first pick on players eligible for both teams.
But Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has repeatedly defended his decision to use college players and in this case said it was reasonable to do so as both of their universities had already been knocked out of the competition.
http://www.unison.ie/sportsdesk/stories.php3?ca=13&si=1782196&printer=1

Or he could have emailed the report?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 28, 2007, 06:54:15 PM
McKenna Cup final controversy to be dealt with
28 February 2007
Donegal’s Tom Daly’s first job as the new Ulster Council Chairman will be to sort out the controversy surrounding Tyrone’s use of college players in the recent Dr. McKenna Cup final. The issue wasn’t dealt with last week because the Ulster Council hadn’t received a copy of the referee’s report. Daly says he is hoping to discuss the matter next week. “At the first opportunity we will be able to deal with the matter. I’m not certain if we will be able to deal with it early next week or not, said the Ballyshannon clubman who succeeded Michael Greenan at the week-end. Daly revealed that he can’t deal with the matter until he first conducts some housekeeping duties. “The immediate things I have to concentrate on is re-establishing the provincial council’s committees and deciding who will chair those committees over the coming term.“That’s work I will be doing this week with a view to formalising it at a council meeting on Tuesday, 6th of March. Later this week I will be meeting the new officers just to have a talk through how we will work together and organise things and agree the practical housekeeping things.“For the coming couple of days, getting the committee structures sorted out and formalised is a priority,’’ said Daly.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73521

McKenna Cup final controversy to be dealt with......................When?............................still waiting................. ???

I thought Greenan looked pretty relaxed at the McKenna Cup Final. Obviously knew he would be long gone before the situation was sorted......... if it's ever sorted.

The article states it is Tom Daly's first job to sort it out. Then the article states that he can't do anything until "he first conducts some housekeeping duties".................. ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 16, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Tyrone mystified by one-liner
16 March 2007

Tyrone County Board Secretary Dominic McCaughey says the O’Neill County still hasn’t been informed by the Ulster Council why they were stripped of the McKenna Cup.
The Ulster Council’s Competition Control Committee decided at a meeting on Tuesday night last that Tyrone breached the GAA’s Rule 114 regarding their team sheet.But McCaughey maintains they haven’t been given an official explanation as to why the Cup has been taken off them.
"We were sent a one-line email saying that the game was forfeited and that’s all we know," McCaughey explained.
And the Tyrone official says he couldn’t say whether third-level college players Damien McCaul and Cathal McCarron were listed on the O’Neill County’s team-sheet for the final.
"I wasn’t at the game myself, so I’m not sure what happened. We are still waiting for notification and to get a look at the team sheet we submitted."

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74301

Have a look at this statement on hoganstand. It's not often the County Secretary misses a Tyrone game, especially a final. Is he absolving himself of all blame?  However it also begs the question why he was not at the game? Maybe he didn't agree with the teamsheet either?

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: Over the Bar on March 16, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
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However it also begs the question why he was not at the game?

It's a long shot but.... perhaps it's because County Secretaries also have families & lives outside of football??  ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 16, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
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However it also begs the question why he was not at the game?

It's a long shot but.... perhaps it's because County Secretaries also have families & lives outside of football??  ::)

Aw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too  ::)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: Over the Bar on March 16, 2007, 07:41:50 PM
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Aw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too

The key responsibility of a county secretary is hardly being a spectator at every game.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 16, 2007, 10:26:37 PM
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Aw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too

The key responsibility of a county secretary is hardly being a spectator at every game.

Can't argue with you there OTB. I think you're doing the Tyrone County Secretary a disservice if you are stating that's all he does when he is at matches. As far as I'm aware in club games the secretary compiles and signs the team sheet. I'm assuming the same is the case for County games. I also think the tyrone secretary is involved in the administration of substitute changes etc. From his statement he is saying he was not there and hence does not know what the difficulty with the teamsheet was. I think what he is saying is fair enough. I just think if he was involved in compiling the team sheet there might not have been the error which occurred which allowed the Ulster Council to strip Tyrone of their title.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Champions NOT Tyrone ANYMORE
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 20, 2007, 09:29:35 AM
Tyrone to seek hearing
16 March 2007

The Tyrone County Board has confirmed that it is to seek an immediate hearing into the Ulster Council’s decision to strip them off the 2007 McKenna Cup. Although the O’Neill County chiefs are still awaiting official confirmation of the reasons behind the Council’s decision, they are to go ahead with an appeal. Tyrone have been punished because of irregularities with their team-sheet and not, apparently, because the team included third-level college players in its ranks."Apparently it’s got nothing to do with the students," said Tyrone chairman Pat Darcy."We’ll be seeking a hearing within the next three days."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74369
Title: Five in a row??
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 23, 2007, 03:34:47 PM
Tyrone win McKenna Cup appeal 
 

Tyrone will get to hold on to the Dr McKenna Cup after all, following a successful appeal to Croke Park.
The county took their case to Dublin after the Ulster Council decided to strip them of their title over the unauthorised use of university players.
Tyrone beat Donegal in the final last month, but the council ruled that a proper teamsheet was not submitted.
It?s understood the Ulster Council may pursue the issue further over matters of technical interpretation.
Tyrone had previously been docked points from their win over Derry in the competition for fielding four college players, on whom the respective universities had first call, but still managed to top their group and qualify for the decider.
Students Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul were in the starting line-up for the Healy Park final, despite not being named on the teamsheet.
Tyrone eased to a 2-9 to 0-5 victory over Donegal on 17 February.
Red Hands boss MIckey Harte defended his decision to play McCarron and McCaul in the game.
"I've no regrets - the players wanted to try out for Tyrone and I think it is good for their careers at their colleges and with the county," he said.
"I think it's every player's right to give their best for his county when the opportunity presents itself."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6485179.stm

Does that mean they have now won five in a row???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: ONeill on March 23, 2007, 04:19:10 PM
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It?s understood the Ulster Council may pursue the issue further over matters of technical interpretation.

For the love of God.....
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: uselessfootballer on March 23, 2007, 04:29:09 PM
Tyrone should melt it down now to stop the bloody think being handed backwards and forwards
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: Gnevin on March 23, 2007, 04:52:21 PM
Toss a coin no one really gives a crap , i'm sure the lads are more worried about finish in the bottom 4 of the league
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: realredhandfan on March 23, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
absolutely wonderful news.  The potential to win trophies 5 times this season is there. Tir eoghain abu! 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 29, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
Harte hits out at “petty” Council
28 March 2007

Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has slammed the Ulster Council over the recent McKenna Cup controversy.
Tyrone were stripped of the pre-season Ulster title for failing to provide a proper team-sheet before the final against Donegal in Healy Park last month. However, an appeal against this last week was successful on the basis that the body which charged Tyrone did not follow proper disciplinary procedures.
Harte has now lashed out at the provincial body for what he described as a “petty” vendetta against the Red Hand County.
He said: “The issue was around students’ availability in the competition, so why didn’t they pursue that?”
“They jumped ship in a very haphazard way to take us up on this team listing issue. That made no sense whatsoever. The fact they departed from their original chase to take us up on this matter was nonsense.”

Te controversy may not be over yet, with sources claiming the matter will be revisited when the Ulster Council’s Competition Controls Committee meets next Tuesday.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74884

UCCCC to meet on Tuesday. Sorry but I don't CCCC the sense do U?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2007 Tyrone Champs for the second time in a year
Post by: realredhandfan on March 30, 2007, 10:12:11 AM
If it continues to fester its rapidly becoming a farce.  Tyrone dont need to add fuel to this fire.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 16, 2007, 08:00:19 PM
Thank goodness to get that All-Ireland Final out of the road so we can get down to the real business for next year. Will Tyrone get five-in-a-row in the McKenna Cup in 2008?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Rossfan on September 16, 2007, 08:13:43 PM
. Will Tyrone get five-in-a-row in the McKenna Cup in 2008?
I'm sure that will make amends for bad Championship performances in 2006 and 2007 ;)
I think if they are to have any hope of resurrection they need to ease up on the McKenna Cups and the NFL and see if they can come with any kind of run in the Summer.
However it will then be 3 long years after their 2005 heroics so it's highly unlikely they will be able to reach those dizzy heights again for a good while.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ziggysego on September 16, 2007, 08:15:40 PM
Never say never Ross.

Brolly reckons that Tyrone is the only team in the country that can stop Kerry going for three in a row ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: jodyb on September 16, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
Never say never Ross.

Brolly reckons that Tyrone is the only team in the country that can stop Kerry going for three in a row ;)

Galls me to say it, but i think the wigged b@llshitter might be right. God help us!!!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 16, 2007, 10:26:19 PM
We can do 5 in a row! Far more enjoyable than winning the all ireland anyway. The bandwaggon jumpers arent part of it and the negative tactics that can spoil big championship games arent there. Less pressure and generally more enjoyable. Maybe we should make it a priority in 2008. On a different note if Tyrone are the only team who can stop Kerry doing 3 in a row (which Im not convinced we are) then the other 31 counties should get behind us now and give us the neccesary support. Teams like Cork and Mayo could do us a favour and not turn up for games against us like they do with Kerry.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 17, 2007, 12:58:50 PM
Don’t Cha,-  Pussycat Dolls ft Busta Rhymes   - No1 when Tyrone last won Sam 5times:


Don't Cha wish your football team was hot like ours, Don't Cha.  ;)

Who was No 1 when Down last one it?

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 17, 2007, 01:01:06 PM
Most people don't remember who won the Mc Kenna cup - was it in the Irish News a few years ago that the journalist said that it was not taken seriously any more - in fact he said it was so unpopular that even the Mc Kennas had stopped going to it.

Since then, the crowds have come back but I think it should be used only for fringe players.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ziggysego on September 17, 2007, 01:03:02 PM
Why should anyone get behind Tyrone to stop Kerry doing 3 in a row? Kerry people are the nicest, most unassuming people you could meet, you cannot begrudge them their success one bit. Now I dont begrudge Tyrone their 2 victories either but tat times you would think that them and Armagh invented the game.
Kerry for 3 in a row and Tyrone can keep winning as many McKenna Cups as they want, they dont really matter to most counties.

I certainly wouldn't begrudge Kerry their All-Irelands. They are the only consistant team in the country and fair fcuks to them. However, I would like Tyrone to put the breaks on their 3-in-a-row ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 17, 2007, 01:13:04 PM
[Who was No 1 when Down last one it?

Down have always been No1  ;)

In the qualifiers draw  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 17, 2007, 01:59:37 PM
Dont be so cross 5 times. Some time soon Down might have a team capable of winning the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 17, 2007, 02:04:27 PM
Down are simply rebuilding and their turn will come.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 23, 2007, 06:57:56 PM
With Dromore playing Coalisland in the Tyrone Championship final I expect to see a few new players from each team making the Tyrone McKenna Cup squad. What about other counties?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 09:08:30 PM
Forget about 5 in a row - save  the players for next August - the business end of the championship and hopefully they'll still be needed then !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 26, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
I think Tyrone can still win the McKenna Cup with an experimental team.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
I don't think so - teams like Monaghan and Donegal will be going full tilt - along with Armagh etc
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: johnpower on September 26, 2007, 10:49:38 PM
Is the Mckenna cup really that important ? I know it is great to get out to see some inter county football after the long break but it is ony the start of a long year . It seems to be a lot more serious than the O Byrne cup or the Mcgrath cup for example . One question for Ulster posters is how many of the potential panels for each county are going to be involved in the Siegerson cup?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Bensars on September 26, 2007, 10:57:22 PM
think it willl be pretty much like last year. What you might see is some players who are not fully established on their representitve county panel opt for county over collage.

If this is the case like the few last year for tyrone  IMO they should be allowed.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 26, 2007, 11:08:41 PM
I don't think so - teams like Monaghan and Donegal will be going full tilt - along with Armagh etc

Not necessarily Orangeman. It depends on the Ulster Club contest and who is in it. If Cross are still there then Armagh will be without their players etc. Monaghan and Donegal had their eye on the National League last year and even the Championship as they contested the McKenna Cup. A fairly experimental Tyrone team easily beat Monaghan in the semi - final last year (granted O'Neill played very well) and i remember the Monaghan fans gave Freeman stick during that game. Never underestimate Mickey Harte either. Yes he may have an experimental team (in fact I hope he does) but regardless Tyrone will be going full tilt as well.   
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 12:04:46 PM
Hope your right and I would never underestimate Harte as he has proved himself all down the years.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on September 28, 2007, 12:12:49 AM
Hope your right and I would never underestimate Harte as he has proved himself all down the years.

Harte eyeing Dooher return in eight weeks
26 September 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte says he is hoping ace attacker Brian Dooher will be back in training in two months following his recent operation. Dooher underwent corrective surgery in recent days for a groin/hernia condition that resulted in him having to retire during the O’Neill County’s championship clash with Meath at Croke Park.
"It is hoped that he will be able to get back to doing dome training in six to eight weeks," said Harte. That time frame would be the most optimistic outlook. The Meath game was a calculated gamble,” said Harte.
"He didn’t know how long he would last in it and made it through at half-time, gave it all he could. He will hopefully be back in about eight weeks."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=83893

Dooher back to lead the charge for the five in a row?
Also, Harte has obviously freshened up the training regime with the introduction of innovative "dome training".
In addition he also appears to be gambling. I feel another book coming?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Star Spangler on September 28, 2007, 11:25:07 AM
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Dooher back to lead the charge for the five in a row?
I hope not.  Brian's certainly not getting any younger and the last thing he needs is too much football early in the year.  He should take it handy until the tail-end of the league and make sure he's 100% for the championship.  The McKenna Cup isn't for winning - it's for looking at newcomers to the squad and the players with guaranteed places such as Dooher shouldn't be involved.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 11:42:58 AM
Agreed Spangler  - precious players should be spared !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2007, 02:32:34 PM
who saeriously in their right mind gives a tiddlers toss whether Tyrone take 5 in a row Mc kenna cups.  We need a 3, an 8 and 9 and an 11, and a 14 and 15.  Thats what we want from the Mc Kenna cup. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 05:21:48 PM
Couldn't agree more RRHF - In last years Mc Kenna cup final, we gave Donegal an awful pasting but when it came to the league fixture, we got a pasting ! So obviuosly there was more emphasis at least in players minds that the Mc Kenna cup final was more important - hoepfully this year there will be a change of emphasis !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 28, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
Orangeman I dont think your logic holds up. Although Tyrone may have lost the league match after beating Donegal in the McKenna cup, Tyrone also stuffed Donegal in the championship when it mattered most. Although people have said Harte puts to much emphasis on the McKenna cup I think if you look at last years team sheets you'll find your wrong. Most senior players only played one group game at most which is hardly going to effect their year. I think Cavanagh may have been an excepton to this but he's always keen to play. Harte actually changed the entire 15 from one game to the next so I think some of you lads are misguided when going on about burnout etc. He did play 3 or 4 senior players in each game but that was just to give the younger lads a chance to blend in at a decent level. Harte I think used up to 40 players last year. Id say we'll see something similar this year with hopefully some emphasis on addressing the problem areas. Its still nice to win the compeition and I dont think Tyrone will want to give it up.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on September 30, 2007, 10:45:08 PM
Donegal had run their race by the time championship time came around - there were also reports of excessive drinking after the NFL win which led to Mc Ivor's resignation - so maybe Tyrone's result against Donegal in c'ship wasn't as good as what it seemed at the time - Donegal never lifted a leg after it - in fact Leitrim should have beaten them !
Title: ’Guests are running the household’ - Harte
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 19, 2007, 10:17:23 AM
’Guests are running the household’ - Harte
 
Mickey Harte
16 November 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte has hit out at Universities who want the upcoming McKenna Cup fixtures re-arranged to suit their timetable. UUJ, Queens University and St. Mary’s all spoke out against fixtures being run off in January which prompted the Ulster Council to come up with a Plan B which wouldn’t clash with students’ exam times. "It’s a bit ironic that they are saying they can’t play on a Sunday, Wednesday and Sunday," blasted the O’Neill County supremo."If they just played on consecutive Sundays, I’m sure they would train at least once so there is no reason why they couldn’t play on a Wednesday.
"They are guests of the competition - now they’re telling people how to run it."

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=85977

Mickey seems serious about five in a row.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Hardy on November 19, 2007, 10:35:27 AM
"blasted the O'Neill county supremo". Wouldn't you just love two  minutes alone with that "journalist". In a locked room. With a copy of "First Steps in English". And a baseball bat.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 21, 2007, 03:06:37 PM
UUJ in Tyrone McKenna Cup group
Holders Tyrone will face Down, Donegal and UUJ in the group stage of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup in January.
Group A will see Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry and St Mary's College Belfast in opposition while Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan and Queen's comprise Group C.

The winners of group B will face group C winners in the semi-finals with the top team in group A facing the best runner-up in the other semi-final.
Tyrone won last year's competition - but only after winning an appeal.
The Ulster Council initially stripped them of the title over the unauthorised use of university players but Tyrone successfully appealed against that ruling.
Despite last year's controversy, there is a possibility of Tyrone manager Mickey Harte again becoming embroiled in a row over the selection of third level players.
Harte has indicated that established Tyrone squad members will be able to play for their universities but he believes that he should have the option of picking other players who are not regulars for the county.
The Tyrone manager has said that he will have negotiations with university managements over the issue.
The fixtures dates and venues will be finalised by the Ulster Council on Wednesday.

Gaelic Life Dr Mc Kenna Cup Groups

Group A
Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry, St Mary's College Belfast.

Group B
Tyrone, Down, Donegal. University of Ulster, Jordanstown.

Group C
Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan, Queen's University, Belfast.

Semi-Finals
Winners Group B vs Winners Group C
Winners Group A vs Best Runner-Up.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7105208.stm

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 22, 2007, 10:28:02 AM
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You just know from Mellon's expression that the rest of the counties haven't a chance  8)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: full back on November 22, 2007, 10:36:22 AM
You just know from Mellon's expression that the rest of the counties haven't a chance  8)

More like the rest of the counties dont give a sh1t
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 22, 2007, 10:44:32 AM
a lot of talent on that team - they should giove a good account of themselves UUJ
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 22, 2007, 10:10:20 PM
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup
21 November 2007


The sponsorship of Gaelic Life and the contribution of TG 4 who broadcast  last Tuesday night’s draw live and who will be screening 4 matches of this year’s competition live has breathed new life into the Dr McKenna cup as evidenced by the big turnout of managers, players and media at last Tuesday nights launch in the Armagh City Hotel. Following the draw for the three groups, each of which includes one of the three universities there was a great air of the enthusiasm about the prospects for this years competition which will be run off in its integrity during the month of January. People like Tyrone manager Mickey Harte, Cavan manager Donal Keoghan, Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and Fermanagh manager Malachy O’Rourke along with Paddy Tally from St Mary’s College, Paddy Crozier from Derry and Adrian McGuckian from Jordanstown all spoke off how important the revamped competition was for teams preparing for the new season. Speaking on behalf of the sponsors Dominic McClements told the gathering that their idea in sponsoring the competition was to "broaden the coverage of gaelic games in keeping with our mission statement for Gaelic Life" which was "to enhancethe active coverage of gaelic games in the province".
In the draw for the groupings Monaghan in fact were last out of the hat and therefore joining section C along with Queens University Belfast, Antrim and Cavan which makes for a very interesting section. Speaking to The Northern Standard team manager Seamus McEnaney said "it was a nice group with a situation where Cavan are a team we will be meeting on February 15th in the National Football League. With that in mind they are probably a team that you would probably prefer not to have in the group but like all of the managers who fielded questions from the media and M. C. for the night, Jarlath Burns, Seamus McEnaney was "looking forward to the competition" and would be using it to "maybe find a couple of new players and get ready for the National Football League. Our meeting Cavan is a local derby game and there will be great interest in that and the McKenna cup is a competition
where we can give a mixture of players games and we can blood new players".
Another element of interest in Monaghan’s group is that former county player and former selector with Monaghan Bernie Murray is on the Queen’s University team management which will make for that little extra dimension when these sides meet in the second round. Like most of the other counties Monaghan will be conceding a number of players to the universities but the manager didn’t seem to mid that or think it would be a problem. "We will have probably three players with Jordanstown and we could have three or four with DCU in the O’Byrne Cup but I have no issue with the players being with the universities because playing with the colleges gives a lot players more games and it also helps keep up that winning mentality that we need. We are going out to win every game in this competition and we will be looking to qualify for the semi-final".
The question of the much talked about players strike affecting the subsidiary competitions of which the McKenna Cup is one was not brought up during Tuesday evenings media briefing and launch but it is something that is foremost in managers minds. "We will not be thinking of the players strike", Seamus McEnaney told The Northern Standard, "we will be getting ready to play in the McKenna Cup but every manager, every inter county manager is looking for a resolution to this particular situation. There are not very manypeople who disagree with inter county players being grant aided and quite honestly I think the players are entitled to that. The money is there, the GAA knows the money is there and the GPA wants the money distributed, the big question is to get a vehicle to do that or come up with a mechanism to achieve that. That really is the problem facing everyone but I’m confident that this will be sorted out in the next 10 days or so". It looks like Monaghan’s first game will be against Cavan, with round 2 against QUB and round 3 against Antrim with venues and dates to be finalised by Ulster Council CCC.

The full draw for the Dr McKenna Cup but was as follows:

Group A: St Mary’s College Belfast, Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry.

Group B: Jordanstown, Tyrone, Down, Donegal.

Group C.: Queens University Belfast, Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan.

Semi Finals:

Winner Group B. v Winner Group C.

Winner Group A v Highest Runner-up.

It is planned to start the Dr McKenna Cup on Sunday, January 6th with round 2 on Wednesday, January 9th and round 3 on January 13th. The semi-finals are provisionally pencilled in for January 18th and January 19th with the final on January 26th although those dates may change due to a number of requests from counties who have other commitments mid-January.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86150
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: gerry on November 22, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
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Group B: Jordanstown, Tyrone, Down, Donegal.

Be interesting what team each put out, after last years incident.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 23, 2007, 08:42:25 PM
Mickey won't dare repeat last year's performance, will he ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: gerry on November 24, 2007, 12:21:58 AM
Would not surprise me as he want to try out a few players even if they are lined out for colleges.

Who could blame him, ever manager will want their best 15 come may time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2007, 11:17:13 AM
The burning question os - what is Tyrone's best 15 ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on November 24, 2007, 12:35:08 PM
The burning question os - what is Tyrone's best 15 ?

Thats why he should use the McKenna cup to get the answer to this question.  Playing established first team players like in previous years has cost Tyrone dear I feel.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 24, 2007, 03:32:43 PM
Nonsense. Its a myth that Tyrone play more established players than other counties as I pointed out above (apart from Armagh or Down at times - though when Tyrone beat Armagh in the semis in 06 it was Armagh with the much stronger team out). Tyrone used over 40 players last year and actually fielded 2 different 15 's from 1 match to the next. They do play 3 or 4 established players in each game to give a bit of experience to the team. In each game last year were Tyrone met county teams Tyrone had a far less experineced team on than the opposition. If you look at the final Donegal had quite a lot of their starting 15 on whereas their were 2 or 3 players on the Tyrone team who didnt actaully make the final 38 man panel. Also I dont see how other ulster counties can take the micky out of Tyrone for winning the McKenna Cup when most of them have yet to win any kind of trophy this decade. The McKenna Cup is now a very useful competition and great for trying out new players.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on November 24, 2007, 06:14:28 PM
Tyrone Verus Donegal - Pascal McConnell, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Damien McCaul, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Paul Quinn, Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Tommy McGuigan, Gerald Cavlan, Christopher Colhoun, Cathal McCarron, Colm McCullagh, Damian McDermott. Subs – Dermot Carlin for Cormac McGinley, Owen Mulligan for Tommy McGuigan, Stephen O’Neill for Christopher Colhoun, Colm Donnelly for Cathal  McCarron, Mickey McGee for Paul McGurk.

Tyrone Dreamer I am not getting at you nor your opinion on the established players within Tyrone.  But as you can see above this was the team that Mickey Harte put out to play Donegal this year.  In the starting lineup alone I would say the 8 in bold could be described as established footballers.  What advantage does this have?  3 or 4 players I would agree with not 8.  Offcourse playing with established players can certainly help the younger less experience footballers around them but this competition lets face it win or lose we aint going to lose much sleep over.  Its nice to win any silverware and we should never lose sight of that but at risking these guys for later competitions I dont think is worth it.

As I say this is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 24, 2007, 07:39:13 PM
Pascal McConnell and Cormac McGinley didnt play against Meath so that leaves 6. That was the most for any of the games and that was because it was the final. 3 of the players who played in that game didnt even make the 38 man panel for the year. The point I was making was that Tyrone dont play more established teams than the other counties despite people trying to use this as the reason for Tyrone continuing to win the competition. If you post up the Donegal team from that night you'll find a much more experienced team. Tyrone also defeated Monaghan, Derry and Cavan last year and in each game the opposition had more 1st choice players on. I think that most of the more senior players apart from Cavanagh only played 1 group game last year and I dont think that 1 game would have a major impact on players seasons. The players would be playing trainig matches anyway and this way new players get an opposition to stake a claim for their place within the county squad.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: gerry on November 24, 2007, 11:55:48 PM
Have to agree, having being to all the McKenna cups matches last year, although we we did play  some estblish  players we did try out a lot of new players. How else are you going to blood them. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
Donegal had actually 7 players that played in both the McKenna Cup Final and the Semi-Final Verus Tyrone.  This was Brian McIver's frist year in charge.  This was his fist "competitive" competition.  His first chance to play any player in the county regardless of past honours and to get a real look at them.  Mickey has years of experience with these players right from underage.  He knows them inside out.

My argument is not how many established players other counties play against Tyrone but how many Tyrone play themselves.  I just think Tyrone should put out less than 6 established players in McKenna Cup games and try and give new blood more oppurtunities.  If as your other post suggested there were only 3/4 established players in the team for each game then that would be fine.  I think with playing more you are losing out on potential inter-county experience other players could have gained and could help Tyrone further in the Championship (should the injuries never end).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 25, 2007, 10:05:00 AM
If the GPA have their way there'll be no established players at all playing.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 25, 2007, 11:35:04 AM
Former captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side.

Showing 15 changes from the side that carved out a win over Fermanagh last weekend in the NFL, Tyrone had it all too easy as they booked a place in the final against Donegal.

Tyrone were on easy street with goals by man of the match Stephen O’Neill (9th) and Declan Treanor (14th) helping to ease them into a commanding 2-6 to 0-5 interval lead.

Earlier Tyrone almost bagged a third goal in the 19th minute but Tommy McGuigan and Treanor were thwarted in quick succession in a goalmouth scramble.

Frustration in the Monaghan team surfaced in the 41st minute when Eoin Duffy was dismissed for a second yellow card offence after a ’clothes line’ tackle on Martin Penrose.

Monaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan’s point blank effort over the bar.

But the night belonged to Dooher whose two brilliant points were the highlight of a classy display by the O’Neill County outfit.

Tyrone were a full nine points ahead, 2-10 to 0-7, when the biggest roar of the night greeted the introduction of long-time absentee Brian Dooher for the outstanding O’Neill.

Tyrone - J Curran; P McGurk, C McGinley, C McCrory; P Quinn, P Marlow, M Penrose; G Cavlan 0-1, K Hughes; A McCarron 0-1, T McGuigan 0-2, D Treanor 1-0; P Rouse 0-3, S O’Neill 1-5, N Gormley. Subs - D McDermott for P Marlow, C Colhoun 0-1 for D Treanor, B Dooher 0-2 for S O’Neill, P Jordan for C McCrory, M Murphy for K Hughes.

Monaghan - P McBennett; D Morgan 0-1, J Coyle, C Flanagan; JP Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay 0-3, V Corey; P Meegan 0-1, M Daly, E Duffy; R Woods, B McKenna 0-1, N Corrigan. Subs: S Gollogly 0-1 for M Daly, T Freeman 0-1 for R Woods, D Mone for P Meegan, D McArdle for B McKenna, C McManus for J Coyle.


There was no way Harte was going to risk losing the final by not playing  some 1st choice players against a very strong Donegal team. The semi final team above shows just how much experimenting Harte was prepared to do during the McKenna Cup -15 changes from the previous league game. It exposes the myth that Tyrone put out stronger teams than the other counties.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 25, 2007, 11:43:22 AM
Tyrone into McKenna Cup semis
Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:17
Tyrone qualified for the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals with an impressive attacking display in a 0-14 to 0-10 win over Cavan under the Breffni Park floodlights.

But the Ulster Council could decide whether they play any further part in the competition, with a probe into their use of ineligible college players due to be completed this week.

Tyrone's slick movement and support play caused problems for the hosts right from the start, and they had built up a four points lead inside the opening 10 minutes, with Sean Cavanagh, Aidan McCarron, Christy Colhoun and Kelvin Hughes all on target.

It was not until the 18th minute that Cavan got their first score, a Gerald Pierson free, and their lack of penetration up front was clearly worrying manager Donal Keoghan.

He switched Dermot McCabe from midfield to full-forward, and the move had an immediate impact, the flame-haired skipper rising high to take Sean Brady's long delivery and hit his side's first score from play.

Tyrone led by 0-06 to 0-03 at the break, but Pierson's accuracy from placed balls helped Cavan close the gap to a point.

But with Ryan McMenamin and Dermot Carlin giving them a dynamic attacking impetus from the back, the Red Hands cut loose.

Paul Rouse nailed on three points, Cavanagh hit a gem, and McMenamin also got in on the act with a cheeky effort as Tyrone went six clear with 10 minutes to play.

Cavan did produce a late flourish, but there was never any doubt about the outcome.

Cavan: E Elliot, A Forde, K Fannin, M Cahill, J Crowe (0-01), M McKeever, P Brady, L Mulvey, D McCabe (0-1), M Reilly, S Brady, M Cunningham, L Reilly, G Pierson (0-05, 5f), R Gallagher.

Subs used: E Reilly for Gallagher, N Walsh for S Brady, J Reilly (0-02, 2 frees) for L Reilly, C Mackey (0-01) for M Reilly, M McDonald for Mulvey.

Tyrone: J Devine, P McGurk, C McCrory, M McGee, R McMenamin (0-01), P Quinn, M Penrose, Kelvin Hughes (0-01), S Cavanagh (0-02, 1f), D Treanor (0-01), G Cavlan, A McCarron (0-02, 1f), N Gormley, P Rouse (0-03), C Colhoun (0-02).

Subs used: C McGinley for McCrory, D Carlin for McGurk, C Donnelly (0-01) for Hughes, R Mellon (0-01) for McCarron, Kevin Hughes for Penrose.

Referee: S McGonagle (Donegal)

Again a lot of experimenting done in that game with only 3 outfield players who started against Meath in the championship playing, though McGee was ruled out with injury for it.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 25, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
There seems to have been a fair bit of experimenting done ok but when it cam to championsip, Mickey reverted to the tried and trusted. He remianedloyal to his winning troops - I don't think he'll show the same loyalty this time around.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 26, 2007, 01:37:53 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Fixtures
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m.: All midweek games at 8.00 p.m.
(Extra time to be played if required in Semi finals & Final)

Wed 2nd Jan: Section B
Donegal v UUJ at Ballybofey 

Sun 6th Jan: Section A
St Mary’s v. Fermanagh at Lisnaskea
Armagh v Derry at Crossmaglen

Section B
UUJ v Tyrone at Omagh

Section C
Queens v Antrim at Casement Park
Cavan v Monaghan at Kingspan Breffni Park

 

Wed 9th Jan: Section A
Fermanagh v Armagh at Kingspan Breffni Park
Derry v St Mary’s at Celtic Park

Section B
Tyrone v Down at Omagh

Section C
Antrim v Cavan at Casement Park
Monaghan v Queens at Castleblayney

Sun 13th Jan: Section A
St Mary’s v Armagh at Crossmaglen
Derry v Fermanagh at Celtic Park

Section B
UUJ v Down at Newcastle
Donegal v Tyrone at Ballyshannon

Section C
Queens v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Ballybay

Wed 16th Jan: Section B
Down v Donegal at Newry

Sat 19th Jan (7.30pm) : Semi Final: (1) Winner of Section B v Winner of Section C

Sun 20th Jan (2.00pm): Semi Final: (2) Winner of Section A v 4 th Placed Team

Sat 26 th January (7.30pm): Final: 1 v 2


http://ulster.gaa.ie/news/ucNews/2006-07/nov07/news010.htm

 

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on November 26, 2007, 04:13:35 PM
Are these fixtures subject to change due to  strike action ?????  ;) ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 27, 2007, 12:59:29 AM
Are these fixtures subject to change due to  strike action ?????  ;) ;D
Not in Tyrone's case Orange. They will field a team regardless. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 06, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
O’Rourke has named a county panel for McKenna Cup

New Fermanagh senior football team-manager Malachy O’Rourke has named a panel of 43 players for the 2008 Dr. McKenna Cup campaign which commences in January next. Among the new faces on the county panel are Cathal McCaffrey and Declan Campbell from Tempo; Barry Mulrone from Devenish; Ciaran Smyth and Seamus Ryder from Erne Gaels; Niall Cassidy (Roslea); Patrick Cadden (St. Patrick’s); brothers Niall and Matthew Keenan (Enniskillen Gaels) and Niall and Ciaran Leonard from Belcoo. O’Rourke will be hoping to give some of these newcomers to the county panel a run-out in the Dr. McKenna Cup where the Erne county is operating from Group A along with St. Mary’s; Armagh and Derry.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86445



Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 07, 2007, 10:54:21 PM
I'm really getting sick of talking about Dessie !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ziggysego on December 07, 2007, 11:00:21 PM
Who?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 08, 2007, 12:36:57 PM
Dessie Farrell !
Title: Freemans not free to play mckenna
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers 

Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm

Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on December 12, 2007, 05:55:07 PM
Quote
Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months


Anyone know what he did?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: his holiness nb on December 12, 2007, 06:09:26 PM
I'm not going to read back through this thread, but I am a bit sceptical.
Have ye lads really been talking about Tyrones possibilities of winning the McKenna cup for 53 pages?? 

And to think they say nobody cares about these competitions  ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 12, 2007, 06:15:30 PM
53 pages is some going alright !!  :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Freemans not free to play mckenna
Post by: ExiledGael on December 12, 2007, 06:36:47 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers 

Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm

Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup

Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced
Title: Re: Freemans not free to play mckenna
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 13, 2007, 03:23:42 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers 

Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm

Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup

Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced

Suspensions for Freeman brothers 

Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm

Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup

Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced

Monaghan deny suspension reports 
 
Monaghan officials have denied that any bans have yet been handed out arising from the abandonment of the recent club game between Magheracloone and Latton. Damien Freeman was reported to have received a four-month ban while his brother Thomas was said to have been hit with a two-month suspension. A Monaghan county board statement said that players had been notified of "proposed penalties". The two clubs were competing in the Monaghan League Football semi-final. Tuesday's reports said that Magheracloone's Peter Ward had been handed a 12-month ban while Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes had received four-month suspensions.
The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7141831.stm

You've just won a house Exiled gael.  :D :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 13, 2007, 04:41:11 PM
It looks like Monaghan appeals board are already preparing to reduce the sentences.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 14, 2007, 11:54:02 PM
Peter Donnelly out of the Jordanstown team with a shoulder injury in Tyrone trials
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 17, 2007, 11:04:43 PM
Changes to McKenna Cup
The Dr McKenna Cup has been rescheduled to start before the New Year following complaints by some of the university teams about having to playing two games in the space of the week. The Ulster pre-season football competition will now get underway on December 30 with the meeting of Monaghan and Queen’s University at Clones. Prior to the change, the first game was set to take place on Wednesday, January 2 with Donegal facing UUJ under lights at Ballybofey, but that has now been put back 24 hours.
Saturday games are now included in the revamped fixture list, with Queen’s in action on January 5 against Antrim and again on Sunday, January 12 against Cavan. All Sunday games start at 2pm, while all mid-week games will throw-in at 8pm.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86973

Mickey Harte was right. The guests are now running the show.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 18, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
Donnelly out of McKenna Cup
18 December 2007
UUJ captain Peter Donnelly has been ruled out of the Dr McKenna Cup after breaking his arm during a Tyrone trial match last week.
The Coalisland Fianna clubman is now facing a race against time to be fit for Jordanstown’s Sigerson Cup first round clash against Sligo IT in February.  It’s the second injury setback UUJ have suffered in the space of a week after Antrim forward Paddy Cunningham picked up a knock while playing for his club Lamh Dhearg, which led to him having to go to hospital where he had his appendix removed.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87072

Strange goings on...."sayin as you're here we might as well take your appendix out"  :o


Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 18, 2007, 11:24:52 PM
The talk is that Peter Donnelly#s fracture seems to be a bad one  - any news on that ?
Title: Tyrone squad for McKenna cup
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 19, 2007, 01:32:49 AM
Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad 2008...
 
Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Jonathan Curran (Coalisland)
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
John Gilmore (Cookstown)
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)
Ciaran Gourley (Rock)
Dominic Hands(Dungannon)
Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Philip Jordan (Moy)
Conall Martin (Eglish)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart)
Colm McCullagh (Dromore)
Michael McGee (Loughmacrory)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Ryan McMenamin (Dromore)
Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy)
Owen Mulligan (Cookstown)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Martin Penrose (Aghyaran)
P J Quinn (Moortown)
Gary Reilly (Killeeshil)
Paul Rouse (Brackaville)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher0

Players registered with college teams in McKenna Cup:
 
Brendan Boggs (Owen Roes)
Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown)
Justin McMahon (Omagh)
Damian McCaul (Donaghmore)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Paul Marlow (Eskra)
 
Injured players not considered for McKenna Cup:
 
Brian Dooher (Clann na nGael)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Paul Quinn (Errigal Ciaran)

Information courtesy of www.teamtalkmag.com

Title: No place for Cavlan in Tyrone McKenna Cup squad
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 19, 2007, 01:39:13 AM
Nine new names in Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad
 
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has included nine newcomers in a squad of 37 players for the 2008 Dr McKenna Cup which gets underway for the Red Hands on the first Sunday of January.
The list of new recruits, as Tyrone get ready to challenge for a fifth successive McKenna Cup triumph next month, includes Eglish's Conall Martin, the 2007 Teamtalk intermediate footballer of the year, who had a brief spell in the Tyrone colours in 1999 when Danny Ball was at the helm. The midfielder previously played under Mickey Harte ten years ago as a minor in 1997, and again as an under-21 player in 2000 when he collected an All-Ireland medal.
Among the eight players called up to the county senior squad for the first time are three members of Dromore's double winning side, Cathal McCarron, Shaun 'Snowy' O'Neill and team captain Fabian O'Neill, who join club-mates Ryan McMenamin and Colm McCullagh in the Tyrone set-up to give the St Dympna's the biggest representation in the new squad.
The two O'Neills recently won Teamtalk All-Star awards for 2007, while full-back McCarron was a member of the 2006 Tyrone All-Star select.
The Dromore trio are linking up with Mickey Harte for the first time, with only Cathal McCarron having worn the Tyrone jersey at underage level. He's eligible again for the Tyrone under-21s in the coming season, while Shaun O'Neill, the 2007 young club footballer of the year, will celebrate his 21st birthday on December 30th and therefore misses out on under-21 football in 2008 by just two days.
Carrickmore sharpshooter Kevin McNally, who recently scored all seven of his side's scores in the Tyrone league final, has made the McKenna Cup squad after a couple of successful trial appearances, and there are also first call-ups for Killyclogher's Martin Swift, Dungannon's Dominic Hands, Killeeshil's Gary Reilly and Cookstown's John Gilmore, another young player who can line out for the county under-21s again in 2008.
Reilly and Gilmore have featured for Tyrone at underage level, while Swift, another recent Teamtalk award winner, and Hands will be involved with a Tyrone squad for the first time in January.
The 37-strong squad includes 28 players who were involved with the Red Hands during the 2007 campaign. The list of players registered includes Brian McGuigan, although the Ardboe star is unlikely to feature in the near future. Others named who could be unavailable for the duration of the McKenna Cup are Mickey McGee, Cormac McGinley and Colin Holmes.
On top of the players selected for Tyrone's McKenna Cup campaign, there are eight players that will be lining out for their college teams in the competition who'll be in the frame for Tyrone's national league assault at the beginning of February. They include 2007 panellists, Raymond Mulgrew, Colm Cavanagh, Justin McMahon, Damian McCaul, Brendan Boggs and Peter Donnelly, although the latter will be out of action for the next couple of months after sustaining a broken arm in one of the recent trial matches staged under lights in Healy Park.
Brocagh's Ciaran Donnelly and Eskra's Paul Marlow also attended the trials and will again be assessed by the Tyrone manager when UUJ come to play the McKenna Cup holders in their opening fixture of the year in Omagh on Sunday 6th January.
Four members of Tyrone's 2007 squad haven't been named in the McKenna Cup squad because of injury - Brian Dooher could be back for national league duty before the end of February, Joe McMahon is out until March and Stephen O'Neill is ahead of schedule in his recovery from an operation and could be ready for some NFL action in April.
There is no date, meanwhile, for Paul Quinn's return to the playing field, the Errigal Ciaran defender still being assessed since sustaining a head injury in the Tyrone senior championship quarter-final clash with Donaghmore.
In all, taking the McKenna Cup list, the injury list and the college players into account, there are 49 players who are still being considered for Tyrone's league and championship squad, which is expected to be announced at the end of January in time for the NFL opener against Kildare at the start of February.
The only member of Tyrone's 2007 championship panel not included in any of the lists at present is Gerald Cavlan.

www.teamtalkmag.com
Title: Re: Tyrone squad for McKenna cup
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 19, 2007, 02:02:11 AM
Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad 2008...
 
Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Jonathan Curran (Coalisland)
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
John Gilmore (Cookstown)
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)
Ciaran Gourley (Rock)
Dominic Hands(Dungannon)
Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Philip Jordan (Moy)
Conall Martin (Eglish)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart)
Colm McCullagh (Dromore)
Michael McGee (Loughmacrory)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Ryan McMenamin (Dromore)
Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy)
Owen Mulligan (Cookstown)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Martin Penrose (Aghyaran)
P J Quinn (Moortown)
Gary Reilly (Killeeshil)
Paul Rouse (Brackaville)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher0

Players registered with college teams in McKenna Cup:
 
Brendan Boggs (Owen Roes)
Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown)
Justin McMahon (Omagh)
Damian McCaul (Donaghmore)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Paul Marlow (Eskra)
 
Injured players not considered for McKenna Cup:
 
Brian Dooher (Clann na nGael)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Paul Quinn (Errigal Ciaran)

Information courtesy of www.teamtalkmag.com

I know I've tried this before but whatabout this lineout in any order:

Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Justin McMahon (Omagh
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)

Choose your own keeper
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on December 19, 2007, 02:39:38 AM
How many forwards have you picked there, never kickt a ball?
A few sicknotes there too. I don't rate the lad from Brocagh either.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Bacon on December 19, 2007, 08:55:28 AM
Why do Tyrone take this so seriously?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Star Spangler on December 19, 2007, 10:40:08 AM
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The only member of Tyrone's 2007 championship panel not included in any of the lists at present is Gerald Cavlan.

Thank God for that!  However, it's fantastic to see Brian McGuigan listed in the squad.

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Why do Tyrone take this so seriously?

Football is deadly serious in Tyrone.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: red hander on December 19, 2007, 12:23:15 PM
Wasn't Conall Martin in the squad a few years back?  Give us another option in midfield
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2007, 12:09:31 AM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.

Sure didn't Dromore put an end to the cursing in Healy Park recently when they won your cup O'Neill?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 20, 2007, 01:28:55 PM
I think Donnelly from Broacagh is good player - why do you not rate him Hardstation ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 02:54:25 PM
Thats deep O neill
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2007, 02:56:44 PM
Hope he sings about the blue eyes.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 02:58:49 PM
o/m the days of the loughshore county footballer seem to be over.  Name 3 plyers from the entire loughshore who would make your Tyrone team,
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 03:00:57 PM
Eyes of blue ya mean.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2007, 03:22:08 PM
o/m the days of the loughshore county footballer seem to be over.  Name 3 plyers from the entire loughshore who would make your Tyrone team,

E Cushnahan, R Quinn, S Taggart
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 05:30:18 PM
Aye R Quinn was a cracker alright now that you mention it, emigration booze and poker have him wrecked though surely he couldnt pull on a county jersey yet at 36.  For those tyronies who think Football began when Errigal Ciaran seconds were formed(glencull) dont forget the loughshore produced the King,..... and then it produced the prince...... now who will be the jester?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 20, 2007, 10:52:47 PM
Down panel for McKenna Cup


Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben ,
Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern ,
Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney ,
Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers ,
John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan ,
Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney,
Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: rrhf on December 21, 2007, 08:35:47 AM
The chopper fagan makes a return.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2007, 05:40:02 PM
McGrane is set for McKenna action

Paul McGrane is set for Gaelic Life McKenna Cup action earlier than anticipated next month because of Armagh's midfield crisis.
New Orchard boss Peter McDonnell will be without groin injury victim Malachy Mackin and hip victim Philip Loughran.
Student quartet Charlie Vernon, Paul Courtney, James Lavery and Gareth O'Neill have declared for Queen's and St Mary's and will also be absent. Armagh start their campaign against Derry on Sunday 6 January. The Orchard county then face Fermanagh on Wednesday 9 January and St Mary's on Sunday 13 January in Section A. McDonnell is likely to rotate his squad in a bid to safeguard against injuries.
Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7155340.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 22, 2007, 11:21:29 PM
If Mc Grane is being sprung into action, Armagh are going all out at this early stage !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 23, 2007, 12:45:53 AM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.

All-singing, all-dancing McKenna Cup
THIS YEAR'S Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games are set for a carnival and family atmosphere with the inclusion of a range of activities and characters for entertainment at the January clashes, including the introduction of our new mascot character 'GL Man.'

The large character will be entertaining the crowds before the games and at half-time, where he will be testing out his skills, with the fans reaping the rewards as there will be free Gaelic Life merchandise, including T-shirts for kids and lollipops as well as other items such as free copies of Gaelic Life, calendars and pens, and the opportunity to have your picture taken with GL Man, with the photos appearing in Gaelic Life.

This will be taking place at the matches between Armagh and Derry at Lurgan on Sunday January 6, Tyrone and Down at Omagh on Wednesday January 9, Donegal and Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday January 13, Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16 as well as both semi-finals and the final which will take place on Saturday January 26.

Vouchers entitling Under-16s free admission to all games in this year's competition are being distributed to schools throughout the province, as well as being included in the weekly editions of Gaelic Life, Ulster Herald, Strabane Chronicle, Fermanagh Herald and Donegal News from now until the end of the competition.

The Ulster Council have also introduced measures of their own, with three games singled out for the special festival-like treatment, beginning at Omagh on Wednesday January 9 when Tyrone take on Down, where the entertainment will include face painters, balloon modelers and life size cartoon characters, while special guest Malachi Cush and Scor entertainment and Irish Dancers will entertain the crowd as well as the Gaelic Life goodies. The same will take place for the floodlit game between Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16, and for the final on Saturday January 26.

The Ulster Council will also be introducing their "No Foul Language" campaign, as they bid to erase foul and abusive language both on and off the pitch. As part of this, special 'NFL' wristbands will be distributed at the games.

Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition, and will be on sale at all games in the competition to make it easier for supporters to keep up to speed with the new faces set to be on show as the footballing action hits top gear once again following the Christmas break.
http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/326790051298843.php

GL Man: wonder will the Ulster Council lads allow him on the sideline?

Like this programme idea as long as a few sneaky college lads don't appear mid competition :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Zapatista on December 23, 2007, 07:52:40 AM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.

All-singing, all-dancing McKenna Cup
THIS YEAR'S Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games are set for a carnival and family atmosphere with the inclusion of a range of activities and characters for entertainment at the January clashes, including the introduction of our new mascot character 'GL Man.'

The large character will be entertaining the crowds before the games and at half-time, where he will be testing out his skills, with the fans reaping the rewards as there will be free Gaelic Life merchandise, including T-shirts for kids and lollipops as well as other items such as free copies of Gaelic Life, calendars and pens, and the opportunity to have your picture taken with GL Man, with the photos appearing in Gaelic Life.

This will be taking place at the matches between Armagh and Derry at Lurgan on Sunday January 6, Tyrone and Down at Omagh on Wednesday January 9, Donegal and Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday January 13, Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16 as well as both semi-finals and the final which will take place on Saturday January 26.

Vouchers entitling Under-16s free admission to all games in this year's competition are being distributed to schools throughout the province, as well as being included in the weekly editions of Gaelic Life, Ulster Herald, Strabane Chronicle, Fermanagh Herald and Donegal News from now until the end of the competition.

The Ulster Council have also introduced measures of their own, with three games singled out for the special festival-like treatment, beginning at Omagh on Wednesday January 9 when Tyrone take on Down, where the entertainment will include face painters, balloon modelers and life size cartoon characters, while special guest Malachi Cush and Scor entertainment and Irish Dancers will entertain the crowd as well as the Gaelic Life goodies. The same will take place for the floodlit game between Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16, and for the final on Saturday January 26.

The Ulster Council will also be introducing their "No Foul Language" campaign, as they bid to erase foul and abusive language both on and off the pitch. As part of this, special 'NFL' wristbands will be distributed at the games.

Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition, and will be on sale at all games in the competition to make it easier for supporters to keep up to speed with the new faces set to be on show as the footballing action hits top gear once again following the Christmas break.
http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/326790051298843.php

GL Man: wonder will the Ulster Council lads allow him on the sideline?

Like this programme idea as long as a few sneaky college lads don't appear mid competition :D

I hope it dosen't turn out like the mess at the Trone County Final this year
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Maguire01 on December 23, 2007, 01:07:35 PM
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special guest Malachi Cush


What a treat! I thought the dea was to attract people, not repel them!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 24, 2007, 03:19:24 PM
McCusker returns to Derry panel 
 
Niall McCusker returns to the Derry panel for the McKenna Cup
Niall McCusker has been included in Derry's 24-man Gaelic Life McKenna Cup panel by manager Paddy Crozier.
The injury-prone defender has been recalled following some brilliant performances for Ballinderry in their run to the Derry senior club final.

Crozier, though, has a long injury list and is also without a number of players involved with their universities.

Kevin McCloy, Sean Marty Lockhart, Rory Murray, Joe Diver and Conleth Gilligan are all due to undergo surgery.

However, all are expected to be ready for the NFL campaign.

Derry panel: Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).
 
Title: Squads so far
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 25, 2007, 03:11:45 AM
Squads to date:

Derry panel:
Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).

Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.

Down panel

Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben , Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern , Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney , Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan , Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney, Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .

Tyrone's squad Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher) Sean Cavanagh (Moy) Jonathan Curran (Coalisland) John Devine (Errigal Ciaran) Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)  John Gilmore (Cookstown) Conor Gormley (Carrickmore) Niall Gormley (Trillick) Ciaran Gourley (Rock) Dominic Hands(Dungannon) Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran) Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps) Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore) Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil) Philip Jordan (Moy) Conall Martin (Eglish) Aidan McCarron (Fintona) Cathal McCarron (Dromore) Cathal McCarron (Omagh) Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart) Colm McCullagh (Dromore) Michael McGee (Loughmacrory) Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Brian McGuigan (Ardboe) Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe) Ryan McMenamin (Dromore) Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy) Owen Mulligan (Cookstown) Fabian O'Neill (Dromore) Shaun O'Neill (Dromore) Martin Penrose (Aghyaran) P J Quinn (Moortown) Gary Reilly (Killeeshil) Paul Rouse (Brackaville) Martin Swift (Killyclogher)
Title: Re: Squads so far
Post by: new devil on December 25, 2007, 06:16:10 PM
Squads to date:

Derry panel:
Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).

Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.

Down panel

Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben , Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern , Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney , Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan , Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney, Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .

Tyrone's squad Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher) Sean Cavanagh (Moy) Jonathan Curran (Coalisland) John Devine (Errigal Ciaran) Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)  John Gilmore (Cookstown) Conor Gormley (Carrickmore) Niall Gormley (Trillick) Ciaran Gourley (Rock) Dominic Hands(Dungannon) Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran) Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps) Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore) Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil) Philip Jordan (Moy) Conall Martin (Eglish) Aidan McCarron (Fintona) Cathal McCarron (Dromore) Cathal McCarron (Omagh) Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart) Colm McCullagh (Dromore) Michael McGee (Loughmacrory) Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Brian McGuigan (Ardboe) Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe) Ryan McMenamin (Dromore) Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy) Owen Mulligan (Cookstown) Fabian O'Neill (Dromore) Shaun O'Neill (Dromore) Martin Penrose (Aghyaran) P J Quinn (Moortown) Gary Reilly (Killeeshil) Paul Rouse (Brackaville) Martin Swift (Killyclogher)



WTF ??? ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 26, 2007, 02:12:55 PM
When's the next strike threat due ?  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: DMarsden on December 26, 2007, 06:04:57 PM

When was the first strike?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: The Port on December 26, 2007, 10:59:46 PM
Who is the guy McCombe on the Armagh Panel
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: pintsofguinness on December 26, 2007, 11:01:54 PM
Corner forward from Ballymacnab.
Title: Queen's squad
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 26, 2007, 11:09:47 PM
Queen's squad:

Bogue N,  Carville C, Courtney P, Crilly C,  Crozier J, Dillon R,  Gallagher H, Grimley J, Howard L, Hughes E, Kielt C, Loughrey, J,McArdle B, McCrory A, McCumiskey P, McGinn C, McVey P.Murphy F, O’Neill D, O’Kane J, O’Rourke M, Treanor P,Ward M, Winters K, Vernon C,

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 27, 2007, 12:17:43 PM
Sorry - you called the first strike off -
Title: Monaghan
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 28, 2007, 02:06:02 AM
Rooney returns to Monaghan squad
Anthony Rooney has taken his place in the Monaghan squad for the first time since 2003 after returning home from the United States last week. The Clontibret man trained with the Farney County panel on Boxing Day and could play a part in the McKenna Cup game against Queen's on Sunday. Rooney is one of six new faces in manager Seamus McEnaney's 37-man squad.
The other additions are Raymond Ronaghan, Eoin Duffy, Eddie Lennon, Martin Corey and Paul McGuigan.
McEnaney's provisional squad of 37 players will be cut to 28 for the McKenna Cup campaign as seven students will be on duty with their universities and Stephen Gallogly and Shane Duffy are in Australia and will not return until mid-January.
Monaghan host Queen's at Clones at 1400 GMT on Sunday. McEnaney has indicated that he will use the tournament to assess fringe players who have yet to break into the starting 15. Panellists Mark Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Stephen Fitzpatrick and Mark Daly are expected to feature in the opening round of three games.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7161170.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Maguire01 on December 29, 2007, 01:29:27 AM
Looking forward to the McKenna up now. A lot of people diss it, but it's good for two reasons:

1 - it's been a long time since the last bit of intercounty action (the irony being that the first game against Queen's won't actually be 'inter-county', stricly speaking) and it will be nice to cheer on the county side again;
and
2 - it's a good way to see the new players, to see the regular team played about with a bit and maybe spot one or two bright hopes for the league.

For Monaghan, i don't think we have much work to do with regard to our starting 15 from 2007, but it would be nice to build a stronger bench for 2008.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 29, 2007, 08:39:26 PM
Still hard to forget that Kerry (and Cork) don't have to reappear until the first week of August.  :(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 29, 2007, 08:49:34 PM
Aaron - do you reckon that all this action in Ulster hs a negative effect on preformances later in the year ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 29, 2007, 08:53:11 PM
Possibly. Tyrone were superb upto the end of Feb in 2007, but lost so poorly to Meath when it mattered that Saturday in August. Kerry don't do January.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Zulu on December 29, 2007, 08:59:16 PM
Yeah they do, there is the McGrath Cup in Munster which Kerry compete in. They then go on and compete in the same National league as the rest of the country, so they play as many games as most counties (more than most) prior to the start of the championship. From there on it's a bit different alright, but as they tend to be at the business end of every competition they probably play more football than anyone else in any given year.
Title: Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2007, 04:04:33 PM
Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Queen's beat Monaghan 0-10 to 0-09 in Sunday's opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game at Clones.
The students displayed the better teamwork and cohesion and ran out deserved one-point winners after leading 0-6 to 0-5 at the interval.

Paul McComiskey top-scored for Queen's with six points, Micheal O'Rourke and Paul McVeigh scored a point apiece and Conor McGinn scored the winning point. Rory Woods accumulated three points for Monaghan. Conor McManus and Thomas Freeman both notched two points.
The game was notable in the fact that no players were booked during the match.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7165028.stm
Title: Queens University Sigerson Cup Panel 2008
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2007, 04:22:54 PM
Queens University Sigerson Cup Panel 2008

Bourke Sean, Bogue Niall, Barton Shane, Crilly Cathal, Courtney Paul, Crozier Justin, Dillon Ryan, Gallagher Aodhan, Gallagher Hugh, Grimley James, Hughes Eoin, Howard Luke,Kelly Kevin, Loughrey James, Maginn Conor, McComiskey Paul, McCrory Aidan, McVey Paul, Martin Benny, Murphy Fergal, O’Kane Joe, O’Neill Dean, O’Neill Ruairί, O’Rourke Mίcheál, Tierney Caoίlin, Treanor Paul, Vernon Charlie, Ward Mickey, Winters Kerril

Not included in the initial McKenna Cup Panel:
Jamie O’Reilly, Gerard McAleese, Matthew O’Brien, Declan O’Hagan, Cathal Carville, Shaun O’Neill, Brendan McArdle, Joe Ireland,

Title: Re: Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Post by: redcard on December 30, 2007, 06:49:15 PM
Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Queen's beat Monaghan 0-10 to 0-09 in Sunday's opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game at Clones.
The students displayed the better teamwork and cohesion and ran out deserved one-point winners after leading 0-6 to 0-5 at the interval.

Paul McComiskey top-scored for Queen's with six points, Micheal O'Rourke and Paul McVeigh scored a point apiece and Conor McGinn scored the winning point. Rory Woods accumulated three points for Monaghan. Conor McManus and Thomas Freeman both notched two points.
The game was notable in the fact that no players were booked during the match.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7165028.stm


Lets hope the grassroots don't hear about that  :o
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on December 30, 2007, 06:50:45 PM
Well done to the Lizzies. Wait 'til Antrim get them though.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on December 30, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
Who was the referee in Clones today ? Apparently he forgot his cards so couldn't book anyone or send them off !  :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Maguire01 on December 30, 2007, 09:34:03 PM
Was close enough, although Queen's did shoot quite a few wides. To be fair, the Monaghan side was barely recognisable - the lack of Eoin Lennon, Paul Finlay and Dick Clerkin in midfield was a big hole in the team.  Also Tommy Freeman and Gary McQuaid were only introduced in the second half - Tommy was only on for about 15 minutes. There were plenty of wasted opportunities up front.

I think Queen's would be the toughest game in this group and i reckon they could take Antrim and Cavan and top the group now.
Title: QUB V Monaghan Match report
Post by: never kickt a ball on December 31, 2007, 01:12:23 PM
McComiskey the star for hungry QUB
Monday December 31 2007

A sharper, hungrier Queen's University severely dented Monaghan's prospects of qualifying for the play-off stages of the 2008 Gaelic Life- sponsored Dr McKenna Cup when they edged the result in this low-key and at times scrappy affair in Clones yesterday.
Monaghan fielded a largely experimental side but that does not fully explain this below par performance against a Queen's team that showed much more purpose in certain aspects of their play.
Powered by Charlie Vernon in midfield and with Paul McComiskey and Michael Ward causing Monaghan all sorts of problems up front Queen's dictated the trend of this game for long periods. Queen's led at half-time by 0-6 to 0-5, a six minute purple patch seeing them hit four unanswered points to turn a two-point deficit into a two- point lead.

Emphatically

Within eight minutes of the restart Monaghan had regained the lead with points by Dessie Mone and Connor McManus but Queen's struck back emphatically to cancel out that advantage with strikes from man of the match McComiskey and James Loughrey.
Substitute Tomas Freeman brought the sides level for the sixth time in the game with his first point from a free in the 18th minute. Queen's soon reasserted themselves, with points by Conor McGinn and another McComiskey special from a free, putting them two points in front with just three minutes left.
Monaghan threw caution to the wind in the closing minutes but their only reward was another point from a free by Freeman as Queen's held out for the narrowest of wins.

Scorers -- QUB: P McComiskey 0-6, C McGinn 0-1, M O'Rourke, J Loughrey, P McVeigh 0-1each. Monaghan: R Woods 0-3, C McManus 0-2, T Freeman 0-2, V Corey, D Mone 0-1 each.

QUB -- F Murphy; N Bogue, L Howard, P Treanor; R Dillon, A McCrory, J Crozier; C Vernon, P Courtney; A Gallagher, C McGinn, P McVeigh; P McComiskey, M O'Rourke, M Ward. Subs: B Martin for R Dillon, J Loughrey for P McVeigh, J Grimley for M Ward, R O'Neill for C McGinn, D O'Neill for A McCrory.

Monaghan -- P McBennett; M Duffy, C Flanagan, C Hughes; G McEnaney, S Mulligan, S Fitzpatrick; J Kingham, V Corey; O Duffy, C McManus, M Daly; R Woods, D Mone, M McElroy. Subs: G McQuaid for J Kingham, T Freeman for O Duffy, N McAdam for M McElroy, S Markey for M Daly.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mccomiskey-the-star-for-hungry-qub-1255177.html

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2008, 02:24:07 AM
Next game on Thursday night in ballybofey

3rd January 2008  at 20:00     Ballybofey
Jordanstown       V    Donegal
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Armagh Exile on January 01, 2008, 07:24:48 PM
TG4
Quote
GAA Beo
Live coverage of Armagh v Derry in the first round of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup at Oliver Plunkett Park in Crossmaglen and full deferred coverage of Dublin v Wicklow in the O’Byrne Cup from Parnell Park. Presented by Gráinne McElwain with commentary by Mac Dara Mac Donncha.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2008, 11:24:13 PM
Have UUJ named their McKenna Cup squad?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2008, 11:56:24 PM
Have UUJ named their McKenna Cup squad?

From their website Norf:

Terry  O Flanagan
    Kevin Anderson
    daniel Bateson
    Brendan Boggs
    John Boyle
    Colm Cavanagh
    JAMES COLGAN
    Michael Corr
    patrick cunningham
    Ciaran donnelly
    Peter Donnelly
    Michael Drumm
    Barry Dunnion
    Bliain Gormley
    charles harrison
    Darren Hughes
    Karl Lacey
    Declan Lavery
    Mark Lynch
    Paul Marlow
    Eamon Mc Conville
    Adrian Mc Guckin
    Shea McAleer
    Stephen McAleer
    Michael McAlister
    cormac mcavoy
    tomas mccann
    Damian McCaul
    Eamon McConville
    James McGovern
    Paul McGuigan
    Test Message
    Micheal Moran
    Andy Moran
    Donal Morgan
    Raymond Mulgrew
    cathal murdock
    Kieran Nolan
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 02, 2008, 12:59:26 AM
Terry  O Flanagan - Fear Manach
    Kevin Anderson
    daniel Bateson - Doire
    Brendan Boggs - Tír Eoghain
    John Boyle - An Dún
    Colm Cavanagh Tír Eoghain
    JAMES COLGAN - An Dún
    Michael Corr
    patrick cunningham - Aontroim
    Ciaran donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Peter Donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Michael Drumm - Doire ??
    Barry Dunnion - Dún na nGall
    Bliain Gormley - Doire ??
    charles harrison
    Darren Hughes
    Karl Lacey - Dún na nGall
    Declan Lavery - An Dún
    Mark Lynch - Doire
    Paul Marlow - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon Mc Conville An Dún ??
    Adrian Mc Guckin - Doire ??
    Shea McAleer
    Stephen McAleer
    Michael McAlister - An Dún
    cormac mcavoy
    tomas mccann - Aontroim
    Damian McCaul - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon McConville - An Dún ?? Is it the same boyo from before?
    James McGovern - An Dún
    Paul McGuigan - Muineacháin
    Test Message - God knows - ONeill reckons Doire.
    Micheal Moran
    Andy Moran
    Donal Morgan
    Raymond Mulgrew - Tír Eoghain
    cathal murdock
    Kieran Nolan 
 
 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 01:03:00 AM

    Test Message - God knows
 

One of the Messages from Knockloughrim. Son of Text.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 02, 2008, 01:04:23 AM
But his ma is a Virgin.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: blueboy on January 02, 2008, 09:56:11 AM
What's the story with the Freeman's are they banned or what? Didn't see their names on the teamsheet against Queens.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 02, 2008, 09:57:41 AM
Tomas came on against Queens and scored I think.

Why is it so hard to find odds for this competition? Where are you Lone Shark??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 12:52:25 PM
What's the story with the Freeman's are they banned or what? Didn't see their names on the teamsheet against Queens.

The bans apply to Club only.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
’We’re playing a top three side’ - McIver
02 January 2008
Donegal football boss Brian McIver believes his side will face one of the top three university sides in the country when the Tir Chonaill men take on UUJ tomorrow night (Thursday) in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup. Ironically McIver and Co. will be taking on a side jointly managed by Adrian McGuckin, a member of McIver’s own backroom team.
"Jordanstown are obviously a very good side," McIver opined. "Along with DCU and Queen’s they are in the top three university sides in the country. "I saw them earlier in the year against St. Mary’s. They were very impressive. Obviously with players like Mark Lynch and Raymond Mulgrew they need to be respected. "We are expecting a tough game. We played Jordanstown last year and there was only a kick of the ball in it and we are not expecting anything different on Thursday evening. "We know that the lads who are coming in are going to be really tested. But that is what we want."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87270
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneboi on January 02, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.

To be honest i cant see him making any impact at all. Good club footballer but would be very surprised if he was around come championship time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: clarshack on January 02, 2008, 03:09:11 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.

To be honest i cant see him making any impact at all. Good club footballer but would be very surprised if he was around come championship time.

was he not tried out years ago when he was younger and had more to offer and still didnt make the grade then.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 04:12:04 PM
There was more to it than that. A bit of an argument led to his omission from the squad. His inclusion in 2008 may mean Mickey is burying hatchets.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on January 02, 2008, 04:41:44 PM
Terry  O Flanagan - Fear Manach
    Kevin Anderson
    daniel Bateson - Doire
    Brendan Boggs - Tír Eoghain
    John Boyle - An Dún
    Colm Cavanagh Tír Eoghain
    JAMES COLGAN - An Dún
    Michael Corr
    patrick cunningham - Aontroim
    Ciaran donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Peter Donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Michael Drumm - Doire ??
    Barry Dunnion - Dún na nGall
    Bliain Gormley - Doire ??
    charles harrison
    Darren Hughes - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
    Karl Lacey - Dún na nGall
    Declan Lavery - An Dún
    Mark Lynch - Doire
    Paul Marlow - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon Mc Conville An Dún ??
    Adrian Mc Guckin - Doire ??
    Shea McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
    Stephen McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
    Michael McAlister - An Dún
    cormac mcavoy
    tomas mccann - Aontroim
    Damian McCaul - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon McConville - An Dún ?? Is it the same boyo from before?
    James McGovern - An Dún
    Paul McGuigan - Muineacháin (Clontibret)
    Test Message - God knows - ONeill reckons Doire.
    Micheal Moran
    Andy Moran
    Donal Morgan - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
    Raymond Mulgrew - Tír Eoghain
    cathal murdock
    Kieran Nolan 
 
 

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: thebandit on January 02, 2008, 06:03:44 PM
Terry  O Flanagan - Fear Manach
    Kevin Anderson - Antrim i think
    daniel Bateson - Doire
    Brendan Boggs - Tír Eoghain
    John Boyle - An Dún
    Colm Cavanagh Tír Eoghain
    JAMES COLGAN - An Dún
    Michael Corr - Tyrone (Galbally?)
    patrick cunningham - Aontroim
    Ciaran donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Peter Donnelly - Tír Eoghain
    Michael Drumm - Doire ??
    Barry Dunnion - Dún na nGall
    Bliain Gormley - Doire ??
    charles harrison - Sligo corner back
    Darren Hughes - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
    Karl Lacey - Dún na nGall
    Declan Lavery - An Dún
    Mark Lynch - Doire
    Paul Marlow - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon Mc Conville An Dún ??
    Adrian Mc Guckin - Doire ??
    Shea McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
    Stephen McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
    Michael McAlister - An Dún
    cormac mcavoy - Armagh (Silverbridge)
    tomas mccann - Aontroim
    Damian McCaul - Tír Eoghain
    Eamon McConville - An Dún ?? Is it the same boyo from before?
    James McGovern - An Dún
    Paul McGuigan - Muineacháin (Clontibret)
    Test Message - God knows - ONeill reckons Doire.
    Micheal Moran
    Andy Moran - Mayo
    Donal Morgan - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
    Raymond Mulgrew - Tír Eoghain
    cathal murdock
    Kieran Nolan 

Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.

What is Conall up to now? He was in Queens in my time above, sound man
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
Sayin as we're at it

QUB

Bourke Sean,
Bogue Niall,
Barton Shane,
Crilly Cathal,
Courtney Paul,
Crozier Justin,
Dillon Ryan,
Gallagher Aodhan,
Gallagher Hugh, Tír Eoghain
Grimley James,
Hughes Eoin,
Howard Luke,
Kelly Kevin,
Loughrey James,
Maginn Conor,
McComiskey Paul, - Down
McCrory Aidan,
McVey Paul,
Martin Benny,
Murphy Fergal,
O’Kane Joe,
O’Neill Dean, Tír Eoghain
O’Neill Ruairί,
O’Rourke Mίcheál,
Tierney Caoίlin, Tír Eoghain
Treanor Paul,
Vernon Charlie, Armagh
Ward Mickey, Tír Eoghain
Winters Kerril - Tír Eoghain
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2008, 11:15:17 PM
Lynch set to lead UUJ into battle
Mark Lynch will have the added responsibility of leading UUJ when they face Donegal in the McKenna Cup in Ballybofey on Thursday (2000 GMT). The Derry utility star, now in his third year at Jordanstown, stands in for Peter Donnelly who is out with a broken arm. Following QUB's win over Monaghan at the weekend, the Jordanstown students will be keen to follow suit. Donegal will be without key defenders Karl Lacey and Barry Dunion.

Gaelic Life McKenna Cup fixtures
Thursday, 3 January, Section B: Donegal v UUJ, Ballybofey (2000 GMT)
Saturday, 5 January, Section C: Queen's University v Antrim, Casement Park (1800)
Sunday, 6 January, Section A: St Mary's v Fermanagh, Lisnaskea (1400); Section B: Armagh v Derry, Lurgan (1400); UUJ v Tyrone, Omagh (1400); Section C: Cavan v Monaghan, Breffni Park (1400).

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7166631.stm
Title: It’s one game at a time for Harte
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 12:33:47 AM
It’s one game at a time for Harte

Mickey Harte will urge his squad to take one game at a time rather than focus their attention on winning the McKenna Cup for a fifth successive time this year. Ahead of his side’s opener in the competition this weekend against UUJ, Harte says getting through to the penultimate round of the competition is his priority. "The aim is not to retain the cup, but firstly to qualify for the semi-final," Harte declared. "It gives us two angles, it keeps us in the competition, and it gives us a further competitive match in January, which is very important as we prepare for the league. "That’s the most important thing, to try and make the cut for the semi-finals and try and get the fourth game. "We have players in the squad now, and we have to make decisions on the squad, and those decisions are better made based on competitive matches rather than anything else."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87275
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Seany on January 03, 2008, 01:39:02 AM
Mickey Harte is the best manager in Ireland by a country mile.  I respect him 100% and wish him well as a true GAA man. His own son mark is as good as most of the players on that list btw...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: new devil on January 03, 2008, 02:21:24 AM
Is that you mark?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Zapatista on January 03, 2008, 08:15:42 AM
Anyone now if which games are on the box?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on January 03, 2008, 08:38:48 AM
TG4
Quote
GAA Beo
Live coverage of Armagh v Derry in the first round of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup at Oliver Plunkett Park in Crossmaglen and full deferred coverage of Dublin v Wicklow in the O’Byrne Cup from Parnell Park. Presented by Gráinne McElwain with commentary by Mac Dara Mac Donncha.


Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: loughshore lad on January 03, 2008, 08:58:46 AM
There was more to it than that. A bit of an argument led to his omission from the squad. His inclusion in 2008 may mean Mickey is burying hatchets.

Maybe so but he wasnt good enough back then either so I dont really see how he has improved that much since, cant see him making the grade to be honest.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Deal_Me_In on January 03, 2008, 11:08:57 AM
TG4
Quote
GAA Beo
Live coverage of Armagh v Derry in the first round of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup at Oliver Plunkett Park in Crossmaglen and full deferred coverage of Dublin v Wicklow in the O’Byrne Cup from Parnell Park. Presented by Gráinne McElwain with commentary by Mac Dara Mac Donncha.



Thought this game was being played in Davitt Park in Lurgan, has it been changed or am i wrong to begin with?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 01:15:25 PM
I am near sure the game is in Davitt Park, think there are two games being held there. It said so in the original fixture list you can download off the Gaelic Life site, also in the Lurgan Mail this week it had an announcement about a meeting for stewards! So if ts in Cross there could be a lot of angry people in Lurgan this Sunday!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Donagh on January 03, 2008, 01:26:56 PM
I am near sure the game is in Davitt Park, think there are two games being held there. It said so in the original fixture list you can download off the Gaelic Life site, also in the Lurgan Mail this week it had an announcement about a meeting for stewards! So if ts in Cross there could be a lot of angry people in Lurgan this Sunday!!

Definitely was planned for Davitt Park. Couldn't see our esteemed Chairman facing a second harranging from irate fellow clubmen in as many months by changing it at the last minute.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 03, 2008, 01:33:10 PM
From BBC.....Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has handed a first senior start to seven players for the opening McKenna Cup game against UUJ at Omagh on Sunday (1400 GMT).
They include three from county champions Dromore - full-backs Fabian O'Neill and Cathal McCarron and Shaun O'Neill at full-forward.

Gary Reilly, Kevin McNally, Dominic Hands and Martin Swift also get a first start at senior level.

The Red Hands are chasing a fifth straight triumph in the competition.

There is a recall for Eglish's Conall Martin, who had a brief spell in the Tyrone colours in 1999 when Danny Ball was at the helm.

The midfielder previously played under Harte as a minor in 1997, and again as an under-21 player in 2000 when he collected an All-Ireland medal.

Owen Mulligan and Enda McGinley are the only All-Ireland medal winners named in the attack for Sunday.

Tyrone: J Devine, F O'Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O'Neill, E McGinley.


Glad to see O'Neill and McCarron get call ups..........can't see Fabian making the Championship team though
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 03, 2008, 02:01:47 PM
Dont think anyone can complain about Harte not doing enough experimenting with that team. Does anyone know much about how good  Swift,Reilly,Hands or McNally are? Are any of them likely to be up to the standard?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: take_yer_points on January 03, 2008, 02:14:21 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.

What is Conall up to now? He was in Queens in my time above, sound man

Last I seen of him was presenting some TV show on TG4. Think he did some work at that Gaeltacht that was set up beside Cormac McAnallan's in the brantry - Campa Chormaic I think it was called.

I'd like to see Conall getting on well - probably be tough for him as he might not be up to that standard but hear's hoping anyway!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
Definitely a very refreshing line up - some of the senior boys will be thinking about their places now ??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Star Spangler on January 03, 2008, 04:20:21 PM
Also good to see Ciaran Gourley there.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 06:38:38 PM
Campbell announces retirement
03 January 2008

Paddy Campbell will be a notable absentee from the Donegal team for Thursday night’s McKenna Cup clash with UUJ after announcing his retirement from inter-county football. The Glenties clubman, who was part of Donegal’s history-making National League winning side last year, represented the county with distinction for the past eight years, having made his debut at the age of 24. The 31-year-old was plucked from obscurity by Queen’s University manager Dessie Ryan in 1999, and soon made the Donegal senior team after failing to play underage football with his county. Campbell won a Sigerson Cup medal in 2000 and subsequently become known as one of the top full backs in the game. However, his career was hit by controversy in 2006 when video evidence was used to suspend him following an incident involving Derry’s Enda Muldoon in the Ulster football semi-final. Donegal boss Brian McIver is also planning for the new season without Ciaran Bonner, while fellow half forward Rory Kavanagh is facing a 12-week ban for allegedly interfering with a match official during the recent Donegal Division 1A League final between St. Eunan’s and Ardara.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87326
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:41:43 PM
Campbell will be a big miss for Donegal - he was solid at full back and was rarely taken to the cleaners.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UUJ will beat Donegal tonight!

Have 40sheets on them at 13/8!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 06:56:29 PM
Can't see them doing it - what price are Donegal - 4/6 ? 4/7 ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
They're 4/7 yeah. Am just going out on a limb here cuz got couple bets up so its not really my money I'm betting with.

UUJ have the strongest squad on the whole of the uni sides in my opinion so I'm hoping they spring a surprise.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 07:52:44 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UUJ will beat Donegal tonight!

Have 40sheets on them at 13/8!

Good enough bet. With Donegal just returned to training and their eye on bgger fish this year UUJ have a chance.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 08:10:48 PM
Boomtown rats on at the moment "dont like Mondays"
http://www.emapdigitalradio.com/emapdigitalradio/metafiles/highland_32.asx

 0-6 to 0-4 to UUJ with a missed penalty for UUJ

pts from mCfadden, walsh, and mcfadden

jordanstown from mckenna moran and ciaran donnelly
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 08:36:21 PM
Any updates nkab?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 08:41:06 PM
Scorers so far:

Mc Fadden 0-1 to 0-0
David Walsh 0-2 to 0-0
McKenna 0-2 to 0-1
McFadden 0-3 to 0-1
Moran fisted pt 0-3 to 0-2
Donnelly free 0-3 to 0-3
McKenna
Donnelly
John Boyle  0-3 to 0-6
Bradley free 0-4 to 0-6
Donnelly MISSED PENALTY
Ryan Bradley Free 0-5 to 0-6
Stephen McHugh 0-6 to 0-6
Donnelly free 0-6 to 0-7
Donnelly 0-6 to 0-8
Witheroe on for Damien MccCafferty
Moran 0-6 to 0-9

HALF TIME

0-9 to 0-6 for Jordanstown and they missed a penalty. Hold together for the second half and the bets there ONL
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 08:42:44 PM
Cheers nkab, loving the detail. Can't listen to the thing above, f**king speakers broke.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
Cheers nkab, loving the detail. Can't listen to the thing above, f**king speakers broke.

No earphones?

Chickory tip? "Son of my father" is on now.
Now Robby Williams - Rock DJ. What a contrast!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 09:09:40 PM
Snowing heavily in Donegal. Start praying ONL They are looking for a different coloured ball!

0-10 to 0-9 to UUJ

Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9

"Pinball Wizard" playing
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 09:10:20 PM
What odds a draw now ???  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 09:15:09 PM
What odds a draw now ???  ;D ;D ;D

A draw would be snow good Orangeman :D :D

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 09:18:14 PM
2-11 to 0-9 to UUJ Two goals by Colm Cavanagh

Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9
MCFADDEN MISSES GOAL CHANCE

Lynch point 0-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 1-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 2-11 to 0-9
 
Great music. Must listen to Highland more often  :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 09:23:15 PM
Sounds like game over ! Nice call with the bet earlier !  ;) ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 09:27:28 PM
Mama's and Papa's singing now "It's getting better" Not for Donegal by the sound of it  :D

2-13 to 1-12 Game over
Title: Donegal 1-12 Jordanstown 2-13
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
Donegal 1-12 Jordanstown 2-13

Mc Fadden 0-1 to 0-0
David Walsh 0-2 to 0-0
McKenna 0-2 to 0-1
McFadden 0-3 to 0-1
Moran fisted pt 0-3 to 0-2
Donnelly free 0-3 to 0-3
McKenna
Donnelly
John Boyle  0-3 to 0-6
Bradley free 0-4 to 0-6
Donnelly MISSED PENALTY
Ryan Bradley Free 0-5 to 0-6
Stephen McHugh 0-6 to 0-6
Donnelly free 0-6 to 0-7
Donnelly 0-6 to 0-8
Witheroe on for Damien MccCafferty
Moran 0-6 to 0-9

HALF TIME

0-9 to 0-6 for Jordanstown and they missed a penalty.

Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9
MCFADDEN MISSES GOAL CHANCE

Lynch point 0-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 1-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 2-11 to 0-9
 
Commentator too upset to go through rest of scorers:

Summary:
Cavanagh's two goals were fisted

McFadden scored a penalty (He was fouled)
and Brian Roper got the last point.
UUJ got two points somewhere in between.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 09:45:16 PM
High scoring contest - the students are really up for these games - more to come on Sunday ??  ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 09:53:41 PM
Get in there, cheers for the updates NKAB.

fella was texting from the game saying about the snow, I would have been ripping if it was called off!

Students two up now, what about St Mary's then?? Love to see a uni side making the semis at least.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2008, 10:07:43 PM
 Donegal 1-12 2-13 UUJ
Two goals in the second half helped the students of UUJ to a convincing victory over Donegal in Group B of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup on Thursday night. UUJ held a slender at Ballybofey when Tyrone man Kavanagh got his double strike, both fisted from close-range. Donegal's goal came late in the game with Colm McFadden netting a penalty. Jordanstown were nine points to six up at half-time but would have been further ahead if Ciaran Donnelly had not sent his penalty well wide. Donnelly did, though, contribute two frees plus two scores from play in the opening period with other points from Andy Moran (2), Brendan McKenna (2) and John Boyle. Donegal had been 0-3 to 0-1 up early on thanks to two points from Colm McFadden and one from David Walsh. However, the students scored five without reply before the home side got it back to six points each through Ryan Bradley (2) and Stephen McHugh. Scores from Owen Doherty and Brian Roper (2) helped Donegal cut UUJ's lead to 10 points to nine, but a point from substitute Terry O'Flanagan and those Kavanagh goals gave the students breathing space.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7166631.stm

SOMEBODY TELL THEM IT'S CAVANAGH
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2008, 12:23:25 AM
LIVE UPDATES !!!
03 Jan 2008
Tyrone v UUJ Sunday 6th January 2008

There will be LIVE UPDATES from the first round of the Dr McKenna Cup match here on Sunday from 1.30pm.

Tyrone Team -  J Devine, F O’Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O’Neill, E McGinley

http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494





Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 04, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
Did Raymie Mulgrew play last night? If so how did he get on?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2008, 10:24:37 AM
That Tyrone website is good, was it the same one that gave live updates of the county championship final? Lot of other county sites should follow suit.

We're not gonna get anything from the BBC or ITV anyway!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2008, 11:02:55 AM
Donegal men flounder in a Ballybofey blizzard
Dr McKenna Cup Group B: Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
From Gerry McLaughlin at Ballybofey

Ballybofey was colder than a stepmother’s kiss as Donegal’s debutants tamely succumbed to a lively UUJ before a hardy 900 souls last night.

Snowflakes fell like confetti on the north west’s stadium of light as referee Martin Sludden called for an orange, or even yellow, ball, which eventually arrived in the second-half to avoid confusion.

A raw east wind made this a pretty numbing experience for all concerned and prompted two of Jordanstown’s finest to wear “long john” type tracksuits.

Mayo star Andy Moran and Ciaran Donnelly had no goose pimples, but they gave the Tir Chonaill rearguard some testing moments.

Tyrone star Colm Cavanagh was an even bigger executioner, as his two goals midway through the second-half in the space of three minutes put real daylight between the sides.

 Donegal adapted to the conditions swiftest and three fine points in the opening 10 minutes underlined their intentions.

David Walsh, one of four Tir Chonaill debutants, hit a superb left-footed point in the fifth minute.

His effort book-ended two McFadden points, one from a free and the other after a dizzy 12-man move.

But with Andy Moran giving veteran Niall McCready a torrid time and Down’s John Boyle perplexing a sluggish Eamon McGee, the Poly clawed back big time.

Boyle and Ciaran Donnelly were given the freedom of Ballybofey as they hit some effortless points to put the lively students in front by 0-6 to 0-3.

That advantage could have been opper-fastened in the 25th minute when big Neil Gallagher hauled Poly full-forward Thomas McCann down in the square.

Ciaran Donnelly’s very poorly struck penalty trickled past the post and Donegal celebrated their let-off with well-struck points from Colm McFadden and Ryan Bradley to level matters by the 28th minute.

But the Poly finished strongest and it took a canny interception from corner-back McCready to deny the elegant Moran a certain goal.

McCready then handled on the ground and Donnelly hit the first of two coolly-struck frees to put UUJ ahead by 0-9 to 0-6 at the interval.

The students were, predictably, much fitter than Donegal, as Brian McIver replaced full-back McLafferty with Peter Witherow and “cold victim” Neil Gallagher gave way to Denis Boyle.

As the temperature plummeted even further, it heralded some warm-blooded exchanges as Colm Cavanagh and Kevin Rafferty were given yellow cards by referee Sludden.

Veteran Brian Roper hit a cheeky point for Tir Chonail but Colm Cavanagh punched a cross to the net in the 53rd minute as Donegal bemoaned a spurned chance from Colm McFadden moments earlier.

Cavanagh found the net again three minutes later to effectively seal this encounter.

And, even though McFadden made some amends when he won and converted a penalty 10

minutes from time, it was too little too lateA deserved victory for a much fitter Jordanstown outfit who are continuing the trend set by Queen’s against Monaghan.

They could be a real threat in the Sigerson Cup this year again.

But apart from David Walsh, Brian McIver does not have a lot of emerging talent this year. With a weekend holiday looming, and the return of some resting stars, he will be hoping for a much more focused display against Tyrone on Sunday week.

Brendan Devenney, Christy Toye, Rory Kavanagh and Kevin Cassidy would have made a big difference.

But the Poly have a few Tir Chonaill aces themselves including Karl Lacey, who will certainly make a real difference in this

competition.



MATCH STATS

Donegal: C Sharkey; N McCready, D McClafferty, P McDaid; F McGlynn, E McGee, S McHugh (0-1); N Gallagher, K Rafferrty; B Roper (0-4), O Doherty (0-1), D Walsh (0-1); K McMenamin, R Bradley (0-2), C McFadden (1-3, 1f).

Subs: P Witherow for D McClafferty, D Boyle for N Gallagher, C Byrne for K McMenamin

UUJ: M McAlister; C Harrison, D McCaul,

D Morgan; K Nolan, P McGuigan, D Hughes; B McKenna, C Cavanagh (2-0); R Mulgrew, J Boyle (0-1), C Donnelly (0-5, 2f); M Lynch (0-21f), T McCann(0-1), A Moran(0-2).

Subs: M Drumm for K Nolan, T O’Flanagan (0-1) for J Boyle, B Gormley for C Donnelly.

Referee: M Sludden(Tyrone)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 04, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
Has Andy Moran just gone to UUJ this year? Was he with Sligo Rtc last year?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2008, 11:15:14 AM
He played for sligo in the sigerson against jordanstown at the dub when that was on - was that last year or the year before? Actually I think that was last year. Sounds like another Jim McGuinness...

Very useful forward that boy.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
Donegal men flounder in a Ballybofey blizzard
Dr McKenna Cup Group B: Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
From Gerry McLaughlin at Ballybofey

Ballybofey was colder than a stepmother’s kiss as Donegal’s debutants tamely succumbed to a lively UUJ before a hardy 900 souls last night.

Need to be careful there Gerry. Comments like that could cause you all sorts of bother  :o

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2008, 02:24:28 PM
McCusker to make Derry return
03 January 2008
Niall McCusker could make his long awaited return to the Derry team in Sunday’s McKenna Cup clash with Armagh at Lurgan.
The highly-rated defender hasn’t played for the Oak Leafers since March 2005 due to a persistent back problem, and has yet to feature under Paddy Crozier who is entering his third season as manager. However, the Ballinderry clubman has battled his way back to full fitness and is expected to feature against the Orchard County on Sunday. "Niall has been going very well for us and he’s put in a huge pre-season effort," said Derry spokesman Martin Heaney. "He’s looking very trim at the minute. I would say he will be in the mix at the weekend along with a number of guys." McCusker could come into the side at full back with All-Star Kevin McCloy due to undergo surgery to repair a finger injury, while Sean Marty Lockhart is still recovering from a similar operation.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87323
Title: Re: FOUR DR. McKENNA CUP GAMES TO BE SCREENED LIVE
Post by: Armagh Exile on January 04, 2008, 09:12:23 PM
FOUR DR. McKENNA CUP GAMES TO BE SCREENED LIVE

Gaels across Ulster will be delighted by the news that TG4 are to broadcast four Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games live to viewers.

This Sunday sees the first live game as Armagh take on Derry in Davitt Park Lurgan, in what is a repeat of last years All Ireland SFC Qualifier tie.

On Sunday 13th January, TG4 will be showing the mouth-watering tie between National League Champions Donegal and Ulster Champions Tyrone in Ballyshannon. These two sides also met in the final of this competition last year with the O'Neill men coming out on top, so Donegal will surely be keen to avenge that defeat.

When we get down to the Semi-Final stage, the second semi-final between the Winners of Section A and the Fourth Placed Team will be broadcast live, with the venue yet to be decided. This game will be on Sunday 20th January with a 2.00pm throw in time.

TG4 have also committed to showing the final of the competition live, which will be on Saturday 26th January under lights, with the venue to be confirmed.


www.orchardcounty.com

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 01:57:17 AM
Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
Friday, 4 January 2008
 
University of Ulster Jordanstown made an impressive start to the 2008 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup by beating an experimental Donegal side at Ballybofey. Two goals in the space of three minutes from Tyrone's Colm Cavanagh inspired the Jordanstown students to a memorable win in freezing temperatures at MacCumhaill Park. Four points from Ciaran Donnelly helped UUJ to a 0-9 to 0-6 interval lead, but he also pushed missed a penalty. Donegal cut the gap to a point before Colm McFadden missed a gilt-edged goal chance. Cavanagh's brace followed and McFadden's late penalty was only a consolation score. Donegal were without a number of their regulars but could still call on the likes of captain Neil Gallagher, Brian Roper, Kevin McMenamin and McFadden. The reigning National League champions needed that experience against a team that their manager Brian McIver rates as "one of the top three university sides in the country." McIver's men got off to a solid enough start and led 0-3 to 0-1 thanks to points from McFadden, who bagged an early brace, and Naomh Brid clubman David Walsh. In between, John Boyle from Down registered UUJ's opening and the students soon found their rhythm by grabbing five points in a row, including a fisted effort from Mayo's Andy Moran, two from Donnelly and one each from Boyle and Brendan McKenna. UUJ may have snuck through for a goal as their lively play continued to light up a wintry evening. A foul on McMenamin allowed Ryan Bradley to stop the rot with a well-taken free, while a Stephen McHugh effort soon levelled the sides at 0-6 apiece. Despite Donnelly's penalty miss, UUJ ended the half on the up with a succession of points from the on form Donnelly (0-2) and Moran. Snow fell heavily for an eight-minute spell during the second half and Donegal seemed to adapt better with two points from Brian Roper and another from Owen Doherty helping the hosts cut the gap to a single point. The game was on a knife-edge with UUJ just holding onto a 0-10 to 0-9 lead when McFadden latched onto a through ball and had only the goalkeeper to beat but the left corner forward blazed wide and the students breathed a collective sigh of relief.
Their captain, Derry's Mark Lynch, thumped over an excellent point from wide out on the right to get them back on track and things then got even better for the UUJ youngsters, who are jointly managed by Adrian McGuckin, a member of McIver's own backroom staff. Two swift passing moves led to the clinching goals for Cavanagh, who fisted both efforts home from close range. With time running out, McFadden converted a penalty to reduce the arrears to 2-13 to 1-11 but there was no late surge from McIver's charges who could only tag on a final point through Roper.
 
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0104/mckennacup.html
Title: Antrim and Queen's is POSTPONED
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 11:28:17 AM
McKenna Cup fixture between Antrim and Queen's is POSTPONED.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7172815.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 12:16:01 PM
05 January 2008
The Antrim v QUB McKenna Cup Round 1 game at Casement Park on Saturday has been postponed due to a snow covered Casement Park.
The game will now be played on Wednesday 16th January, Casement at 8pm

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http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=643
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: jodyb on January 05, 2008, 02:34:42 PM
Never been to a game in Lurgan. Can anyone give me directions to the park for tomorrows game? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 02:44:22 PM
Go off at Lurgan roundabout - take right up past ski slope to a T junction - take a left back in to the town - park is just past filling station on your RHS
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 05, 2008, 02:49:48 PM
Micheal Brides (St. Oliver Plunketts)
James Carolan (Lavey)
Alan Clarke (Kingscourt)
James Clarke (Killenkere)
Mark Cunningham (Swanlinbar)
Micheal Cunningham (Swanlinbar)
Gavin Doyle (Arva)
Rory Donohoe (Belturbet)
Keith Fannin (Drumgoon)
Austin Fitzpatrick (Killeshandra)
Anthony Forde (Cavan Geals)
Anthony Gaynor (Ballinagh)
Declan Gaffney (Crosserlough)
Colm Hannon (Drumgoon)
Mark Johnston (Cornafean)
Niall Madden (Gowna)
Lorcan Mulvey (Butlersbridge)
John McCabe (Munterconnaught)
Ryan McCormack (Kingscourt)
John McCutcheon (Cootehill)
Mark McKeever (Gowna)
James O'Reilly (Drung)
Finbar O'Reilly (Lacken)
Eddie O'Reilly (Mullahoran)
Padraic O'Reilly (Ballinagh)
Jason Reilly (Belturbet)
Martin Reilly (Killygarry)
Darren Rabbitte (Cavan Geals)
David Rooney (Bailieborough)

Cavan Panel for McKenna Cup
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
05 January 2008
The Antrim v QUB McKenna Cup Round 1 game at Casement Park on Saturday has been postponed due to a snow covered Casement Park.
The game will now be played on Wednesday 16th January, Casement at 8pm

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http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=643


FFS I was allowed to go to this too. Had bought a new hat an all.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Orior on January 05, 2008, 03:12:02 PM
Its raining pretty heavy now in Beal Feirste. I'd have thought that Casement would have been okay.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2008, 03:13:02 PM
Man Utd's on at same time.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 03:32:22 PM
It's off and that's that !!!!!!!! Hope Utd get stuffed !!!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 08:05:58 PM
Quote
Tyrone v UUJ
UUJ are hoping the fact that holders Tyrone are putting out an experimental line-up could help them claim another win in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.  Red Hands boss Mickey Harte is using the competition to look at many of the county's emerging youngsters.  A student side has never progressed from the group stages but UUJ would be well placed if they could add to their opening win over Donegal. Sunday's Group B clash at Healy Park in Omagh has a 1400GMT throw-in.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173375.stm


Should be an interesting clash tomorrow. Both Monaghan and Donegal weren't really up for it against well organised student opposition. Tyrone also have an experimental side out but I expect the "fit from the Championship" Dromore contingent to be firing on all cylinders in addition to Gourley. I'm looking forward to seeing the Killyclogher duo on the left and McNally will probably be given free taking responsibilities. With Enda probably coming out Mugsy will have to be at his best to marshall the inexperienced county forwards around him. Cathal McCarron did well at his home pitch when given a run out in last years competition and we may well see him. All the Tyrone players for UUJ, including Cavanagh, will really be up for this clash. I think they will find Tyrone more competitive. A draw? 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2008, 08:17:19 PM
Is Q covering the Tyrone Game?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 08:32:16 PM
Is Q covering the Tyrone Game?

Q101? I'd expect so. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 08:41:08 PM
Quote
Fermanagh v St Mary's
The McKenna Cup opener at Lisnaskea will give Fermanagh boss Malachy O'Rourke the chance to try out new recruits to the panel (1400 GMT). Barry Mulrone, Paddy Mohan, Cathal McCaffrey, Ciaran Leonard, Niall Cassidy and Patrick Cadden are among the newcomers.  St Mary's are likely to be without Kevin Niblock and Barry McGoldrick because of injuries. However, Ballinderry's Michael McIver is set to start for the students.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173399.stm

I expect Q101 will also be updating from this too.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: redcard on January 05, 2008, 10:58:37 PM
Man Utd's on at same time.
It's off and that's that !!!!!!!! Hope Utd get stuffed !!!  ;) ;)

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The louth FF? JP something....?  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 12:02:46 AM
Cavan v Monaghan 
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney is expected to keep faith with his new faces despite the defeat by Queen's in their opening McKenna Cup game. The Belfast students enjoyed a 0-10 to 0-09 win at Clones last Sunday in the Group C fixture. Monaghan will be using the McKenna competition to find new players. Thomas Freeman is expected to again play some part for Monaghan as his eight-week ban only covers club games.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173420.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: An Laoch on January 06, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
Boylesports were a huge 7/2 for a UUJ win this morning. Moved to 5/2 after someone's bet hinted that the price was wrong.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 06, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Anyone know where I can get team lists for the matches today?? BBC arent too helpful
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ziggysego on January 06, 2008, 04:31:34 PM
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Tyrone v UUJ Sunday 6th January 2008

FINAL SCORE TYRONE 0-9 UUJ 0-12

Colm McCullagh converts an easy free to give Tyrone a late consolation point, both sides finishing the match with 14 men after Dominic Hands had to be carried off on his debut with all substitutions made. It's Tyrone's first McKenna Cup defeat in nearly five years (Tyrone 0-9 UUJ 0-12)

Jordanstown substitute John Boyle gives the students a four-point lead once again with their  twelfth point of the afternoon (Tyrone 0-8 UUJ 0-12)

Tyrone substitute Aidan McCarron leaves three points between the sides with three minutes left as he slots over a 13 metre free after a foul on Davy Harte (Tyrone 0-8 UUJ 0-11)

With ten minutes left Dominic Hands reduces the deficit to four points with a point from a close-in free kick, his second score of the game (Tyrone 0-7 UUJ 0-11)

Mark Lynch stylishly curls over a left-footed point from the left wing, moments after Colm Cavanagh receives a red card after an off the ball incident involving Colin Holmes, who picks up a yellow card (Tyrone 0-6 UUJ 0-11)

Davy Harte and Colin Holmes combine to set up Gary Reilly for his second point of the day, a well taken score with his left foot (Tyrone 0-6 UUJ 0-10)

Ciaran Donnelly strengthens Jordanstown’s position further with a brilliant turn and point from out on the right wing, his fourth point of the match (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-10)

Derry’s Mark Lynch promptly restores Jordanstown’s half-time lead from a free kick (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-9)

Davy Harte gives Tyrone a good start to the second half with a cool finish from out on the left wing, after a Jordanstown defender almost fisted into his own net (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-8)

Paul Marlow is brought into the Jordanstown team for the second half to join fellow Tyrone men Damian McCaul, Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew and Ciaran Donnelly in the UUJ colours

Tyrone make three changes for the second half with P J Quinn, Colin Holmes and Colm McCullagh replacing Fabian O’Neill, Conal Martin and Kevin McNally

The half-time whistle arrives with Jordanstown holding a deserved four-point lead, 0-8 to 0-4, with five of their scores coming from Tyrone men, Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs. Tyrone’s four points were registered by Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, Tommy McGuigan and Kevin McNally.

Carrickmore’s Kevin McNally, one of seven Tyrone debutants, opens his Tyrone account with a neat pointed free from out near the right corner (Tyrone 0-4 UUJ 0-8)

Brendan Boggs, one of five Tyrone men in the UUJ line-up, swings over a superb long-range point to increase Jordanstown’s lead (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-8)

Raymond Mulgrew puts a great ball inside to allow Andy Moran to stroke over his second point of the game and give UUJ a four-point cushion (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-7)

Mayo man Andy Moran restores Jordanstown’s three -point advantage with a close-in point (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-6)

The best point of the day so far comes from the boot of Tommy McGuigan who makes a difficult angle look easy with a sweet strike from the left wing (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-5)

A foul on Mark Lynch enables Ciaran Donnelly to hit his third pointed free inside five minutes (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-5)

Brocagh man Ciaran Donnelly converts another free from the left wing to give Jordanstown a two-point lead over the McKenna Cup holders (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-4)

Another Tyrone man Ciaran Donnelly sends UUJ back into the lead with a pointed free from 30 metres out (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-3)

The first goal chance of the day falls to the Red Hands as Owen Mulligan passes inside for debutant Gary Reilly whose shot rises just too much and goes over the bar for a second Tyrone equaliser (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-2)

 Jordanstown regain the lead when Tyrone star Raymond Mulgrew thumps over a superb point from the right wing (Tyrone 0-1 UUJ 0-2)

Tyrone equalise when Shaun O’Neill feeds the ball back to fellow debutant Dominic Hands and the Dungannon man neatly slots the ball between the posts (UUJ 0-1 Tyrone 0-1)

 Jordanstown take a 2nd minute lead with an excellent finish from Monaghan midfielder Brendan McKenna (UUJ 0-1 Tyrone 0-0)


 Tyrone Team -  J Devine, F O’Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O’Neill, E McGinley
Subs: P J Quinn for F O’Neill, C Holmes for C Martin, C McCullagh for K McNally, M Penrose for E McGinley, Aidan McCarron for O Mulligan

UUJ Team - C Murdock, C Harrison, D McCaul, D Morgan, B Boggs, P McGuigan, D Hughes, C Cavanagh, B McKenna, R Mulgrew, B Gormley, C Donnelly, A Moran, T McCann, M Lynch
Subs: Paul Marlow, John Boyle, James Colgan, Terry O’Flanigan

Sourced Tyronegaa.ie: http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494 (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494)

Fast work by the website. Hopefully this will be the thing to come in 2008.
Title: Results: McKenna Cup
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 04:49:37 PM
Results: McKenna Cup 
Sunday 6 January
Group A
ST MARY'S 1-11 1-18 FERMANAGH

ARMAGH 0-6 2-9 DERRY

Group B

UUJ 0-12 0-9 TYRONE

Group C

CAVAN 0-15 1-9 MONAGHAN
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173876.stm
 
Title: Armagh 0-6 2-9 Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 04:51:13 PM
Armagh 0-6 2-9 Derry
Peter McDonnell's first match in charge of Armagh ended in a nine-point defeat by Derry in their opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup match at Davitt Park. Derry were a goal and two points up early on with Sean Leo McGoldrick tucking away a fourth-minute goal.  Armagh's Stefan Forker missed a penalty but he landed two frees to cut Derry's lead to 1-4 to 0-5 at half-time.  Brian Mallon scored Armagh's only point of the second half with McGoldrick getting another goal for Derry. Oak Leaf forward Enda Lynn won the man of the match award.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173922.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: wdusln on January 06, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
not bad from a tyrone point of view. mickey will have been glad to see so many tyrone boys get competitive action. Mulgrew was the difference, referee seemed to be on another planet! thought at one time he was whistling for marks, aussie rules style!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Orior on January 06, 2008, 05:04:37 PM
Couldnt see anything to be optimistic about the Armagh performance. Forker scored two points but missed about 4, or 7 if you include the penalty.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 06, 2008, 05:32:46 PM
Understrength Cavan team beat an understrength Monaghan team 0-15 to 1-09,

Some good scores.

Monaghan threw on some of the big guns, McQuaid,JP Mone,Tommy Freeman and Rory Woods to try and make a game of it  ;) ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 06, 2008, 05:33:05 PM
Good to see your young fella Lynn get MOM today, he showed very well

Am I right in thinking there was an article about him in the Gaelic Life a month or so ago touting him as the next big thing or is my mind playing tricks on me?
Title: UUJ 0-12 0-9 Tyrone
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 05:36:57 PM
UUJ 0-12 0-9 Tyrone
UUJ inflicted Tyrone's first McKenna Cup defeat in five years with this win at Omagh on Sunday. The holders faced a students side which contained six Red Hands senior players and they inflicted much of the damage. Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs scored against their home county as a fitter UUJ led a new-look Tyrone 0-8 to 0-4 at the break. UUJ's Colm Cavanagh, another Tyrone man, was sent off for two yellow cards in a tight second half. Donnelly sent over three points in the opening half in front of 3,885 spectators at Healy Park. Cavanagh was dismissed 18 minutes into the second half but his absence failed to make a difference to the balance of the game. It is a second win in four days for Jordanstown after they defeated Donegal 2-13 to 1-12 on Thursday.
The Red Hands are chasing a fifth straight triumph in the McKenna Cup.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7174027.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 06, 2008, 06:00:06 PM
Strange start to the new year seeing Tyrone outplayed in the Mckenna.

Glad MH used this to blood new players though, about time we saw what is coming up through the ranks.Thought throughout the game Tyrone were very sluggish, students (obviously) much sharper. Few options for Tyrone players on the ball and the amount of good posession wasted through kicks to nowhere was sinfull. Thought Tyrone had too many players staying narrow, through the middle and failed to use the width of the field as much as they could have. Shooting too was very poor - no-one prepared to have a go from outside 25-30.

Positives:
-Snowy O'Neill: showed and fought for everything, was best Tyrone player on show.
-McCarron: looked comfortable enough at FB after a few first half jitters.
-Unfit, minus several players and with no MF in the first half we stayed in the game rightly.
-The Tyrone players on the UUJ side were immense. Mulgrew a class apart and bodes well for the NFL. There were six on the student team at one stage, almost like Tyrone c vs b.

Negatives:
-Fabian: not county class. Roasted all half and rightly taken off at HT.
-MF in first half, non existant.
-Tommy McGuigan: time and time again gave away posession under no pressure whatsoever. Expected much much more.

On the whole if we get 3-4 players who will compete for 1st 15 spots from the McKenna then happy days.
Title: St Mary's 1-11 1-18 Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 07:05:12 PM
St Mary's 1-11 1-18 Fermanagh
Fermanagh eased to a seven-point victory over the students in their McKenna Cup opener at Lisnaskea.
John Cunningham's fifth minute goal helped St Mary's into an early lead but the Ernemen hit back and Shaun Doherty netted on 18 minutes. Both sides had periods of dominance in the first half but Fermanagh held a commanding 1-11 to 1-5 half-time lead. St Mary's scored three points without reply after the break but Fermanagh stayed in command to claim the points.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7174024.stm

Looks like St Mary's might be the weaker of the University sides. Either that or Fermanagh are flying - time will tell.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 06, 2008, 07:49:55 PM
I think MH is using the Mc Kenna cup to give a lot of players a run - a lot of people were saying - why doesn't he try this one and that one - today he did and found out a lot - and I'd say he'll use the rest of the Mc Kenna cup to do the same thing.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 10:31:18 PM
Dr McKenna Cup round-up
Sunday, 6 January 2008 19:59
Tyrone's grip on the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup was loosened somewhat at Omagh this afternoon as a hungry UUJ side handed the Red Hands their first defeat in the competition in five years. The Jordanstown students, who defeated Donegal in snowy conditions on Thursday, lined out with six Tyrone players and were full value for their 0-12 to 0-9 win. Red Hand squad members Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs all scored against their home county as UUJ took a 0-8 to 0-4 lead into the second half. UUJ had Colm Cavanagh, another one of their Tyrone contingent, sent off for two yellow cards during the second period. Just as he did against Donegal, Donnelly caught the eye by notching three fine points in the first half. In front of a 3,885-strong Healy Park crowd, three successive frees from Brocagh man Donnelly nudged UUJ into a 0-5 to 0-2 lead. Tommy McGuigan replied for Tyrone with a excellent point from a tight angle on the left but Mayo's Andy Moran landed two points in reply, the second set up by the impressive Mulgrew. Boggs then got his name on the scoresheet to move UUJ 0-8 to 0-3 ahead before Carrickmore's Kevin McNally, one of seven Tyrone debutants on show, pointed a free from the right to narrow the gap for the champions to four points. Tyrone boss Mickey Harte brought PJ Quinn, Colin Holmes and Colm McCullagh into the fray for the second half and a point from Davy Harte got the Red Hands off to a good start. But two points from Derryman Mark Lynch, UUJ's captain, helped them move 0-11 to 0-6 clear, just moments after Cavanagh received his marching orders for an off-the-ball clash with Holmes. Dominic Hands, who scored with a close range free, and substitute Aidan McCarron, who pointed a free after a foul on Davy Harte, reduced the arrears for Tyrone to 0-11 to 0-8 with three minutes remaining. Debutant Hands had to be carried off near the finish as his injury came after Tyrone had emptied their bench, meaning the sides saw out the game with 14 players each. Substitute John Boyle registered UUJ's final point before Tyrone's McCullagh got a late consolation score from a placed ball.

Meanwhile, an under-strength Armagh outfit lost 2-9 to 0-6 to Derry in their new manager Peter McDonnell's first game in charge. Derry took charge of this Davitt Park encounter early on with Sean Leo McGoldrick finding the net in the fourth-minute, but two points from Stefan Forker, who also missed a penalty, got Armagh back in touch by half-time. The Orchard county trailed by 1-4 to 0-5 at the break but could only add a single point during a forgettable second half - Brian Mallon being the scorer. Helped by a man-of-the-match performance from Enda Lynn, Derry kept the pressure on and were rewarded with a second goal for McGoldrick. At Lisnakea, St Mary's lose their grip on an early lead as they went down to Fermanagh on a 1-18 to 1-11 scoreline. The sides swapped goals - John Cunningham's netted for the students in the fifth-minute and Shaun Doherty raised a green flag for Fermanagh in the 18th-minute - before the Ernesiders pulled 1-11 to 1-5 clear by the break. Cavan won this afternoon's McKenna Cup derby match at Kingspan Breffni Park - they beat their neighbours Monaghan by 0-15 to 1-9. A 30th-minute goal from Eoin Duffy kept Monaghan in the hunt as Cavan took a 0-9 to 1-2 lead into the interval. Jason O'Reilly kept the men in blue ticking and he top-scored with four points. 2007 All-Star Thomas Freeman was sprung from the bench, midway through the second half, for the Farney men and he bagged three points.
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0106/mckenna.html
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:41:25 PM
So basically Tyrone were beat by Tyrone students. Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 10:43:05 PM
Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
Did Holmes ever play for the Moy?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
So basically Tyrone were beat by Tyrone students. Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?

Mistook him for an apple-chomper.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
I think he did before going to Harps, could be very wrong though? Just you don't expect two people who will be on the same squad later in the year to be involved with each other. Of course it could of been minor.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2008, 10:55:03 PM
I think he did before going to Harps, could be very wrong though? Just you don't expect two people who will be on the same squad later in the year to be involved with each other. Of course it could of been minor.

All I know is that they were reported by an umpire (probably from Derry ;D) who held his hand up for ages to capture the ref's attention. Both got yellow cards but Cavanagh's was his second.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: nrico2006 on January 07, 2008, 09:58:34 AM
Holmes did play for the Moy, I doubt that has anything to do with it though.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 07, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
I think it was simply a case that Holmes was sent on to quieten young Cavanagh who was allowed the run of the park in the 1st half. Cavanagh inexperience left him unable to deal sensibly with the close attention. A case of an old head, cancelling out young legs
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2008, 12:15:02 PM
Highlights from UUJ V Donegal including Colm Cavanagh's goals can be found on following clip from UTV: It is on the second page so fast forward to the end of the first page and allow the second clip to appear. then fast forward to 9.33 minutes:

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080104-hi.asx
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2008, 04:19:18 PM
New Armagh manager Peter McDonnell was not pleased by their comprehensive beating by Derry in the opening McKenna Cup game on Sunday but stresses the McKenna Cup is a type of trial for the season ahead. Hear the interview here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/sport/other_sport/audio/143000/bb/143053_au_bb.ram
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2008, 07:59:11 PM
Highlights from Tyrone V Poly game and Derry V Armagh game from UTV on the link below. It is on the second page so fast forward to the end of the first page and allow the second clip to appear. Then fast forward to 8.00 minutes:

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080107-hi.asx
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 07, 2008, 08:47:39 PM
Strange start to the new year seeing Tyrone outplayed in the Mckenna.

Glad MH used this to blood new players though, about time we saw what is coming up through the ranks.Thought throughout the game Tyrone were very sluggish, students (obviously) much sharper. Few options for Tyrone players on the ball and the amount of good posession wasted through kicks to nowhere was sinfull. Thought Tyrone had too many players staying narrow, through the middle and failed to use the width of the field as much as they could have. Shooting too was very poor - no-one prepared to have a go from outside 25-30.

Positives:
-Snowy O'Neill: showed and fought for everything, was best Tyrone player on show.
-McCarron: looked comfortable enough at FB after a few first half jitters.
-Unfit, minus several players and with no MF in the first half we stayed in the game rightly.
-The Tyrone players on the UUJ side were immense. Mulgrew a class apart and bodes well for the NFL. There were six on the student team at one stage, almost like Tyrone c vs b.

Negatives:
-Fabian: not county class. Roasted all half and rightly taken off at HT.
-MF in first half, non existant.
-Tommy McGuigan: time and time again gave away posession under no pressure whatsoever. Expected much much more.

On the whole if we get 3-4 players who will compete for 1st 15 spots from the McKenna then happy days.

Thanks for that tyroneman, good to hear that Raymie Mulgrew is fulfulling some of that prodigious promise, not to mention the rest of the Poly lads. Generally promising overall too -- I would hope that Tommy Mc Guigan is suffering little more than ring-rustiness, if a little ominous for Fabian, who must be at the top of his fitness at this point.

A very satisfying exercise for MH I'd say, much more valuable than having the students on the Tyrone team at this point.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2008, 09:55:45 PM
Good exercise for MH alright - will be interesting to see what side he fileds for the Championship preview.

Just goes to show however how valuable Sean Cavanagh is to the team - need him driving through the middle to create space for others to move into. Brings a much needed (and completely missing on Sunday) dynamic to the team.

Mulgrew is a class act and if he continues the way hes going may well justify MHs assertion he will have an all star in 5 years (said in 2006)

Don't know much about Donnelly playing for the poly as I've been living away from Tyrone a good while now - is he worth a genuine go or was that just a one off performance?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on January 07, 2008, 10:20:46 PM
Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?

It was handbag stuff.  They were niggling at eachother then Colm tripped Holmes and pulled him down on top of him.  A little wrestling on the ground Colm got up got the pass won the free then the ref spotted the umpires now tired arm.  Referee was a joke.

Don't know where everyone is coming from regarding Mulgrew having a fine game.  He only really came into it late in the second half when obviously Gourley and alot of the Tyrones fitness levels were not matching his.  He did link some great play from half back to half forward and used the ball well.  He wont get the same space and time come Championship time. 

Alot of the other posts are spot on.  Fabian is too fast for his own good.  Andy Moran kept turning him and winning frees too handy.

Reilly, Hands and Swift didnt look out of place.  Martin and McNally didnt do themselves any favours but at least deserve another run out.
Title: Tyrone v Down
Post by: Redhandfan on January 07, 2008, 10:48:14 PM
Tyrone Team Announced
07 Jan 2008


Comórtas: Corn Mhic Chionaoith, Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v  An Dún,
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh, Dáta: 09-01-08

 

1 Pascal McConnell
2 PJ Quinn
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Marty Swift
5 John Gilmore
6 Dermot Carlin
7 Philip Jordan
8 Kelvin Hughes
9 Enda McGinley
10 Ryan Mellon   
11 Colm Donnelly
12 Aidan McCarron
13 Cathal McCarron
14 Tommy McGuigan
15 Paul Rouse

 

16 Jonathan Curran
17 Conor Gormley   
18 Ciaran Gourley         
19 David Harte
20 Colin Holmes
21 Colm McCullagh 
22 Mickey McGee
23 Kevin McNally
24 Conal Martin     
25 Owen Mulligan         
26 Fabian O’Neill
27 Martin Penrose
28 Gary Reilly

 

Damán Ó hAirmhí
Oifigeach Caidreamh Poiblí

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 10:50:13 PM
I hope Mickey continues to give the big guns time out. Plenty of time before we need to see the likes of Sean or Phillip. The likes of Fabian may have been trying too hard. The match v Down may see a more relaxed VX.

Word of warning - the Mourne county have employed, free of charge, an astute statistician, hand-written too.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 10:53:44 PM
How many buckin' McCarrons are there?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 07, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
You can't sat that players aren't getting a chance - fair play to Mickey - I think he has got it spot on so far. But there's a long way to go yet !  ;) ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Doire abú on January 08, 2008, 01:09:56 AM
Good to see your young fella Lynn get MOM today, he showed very well

Am I right in thinking there was an article about him in the Gaelic Life a month or so ago touting him as the next big thing or is my mind playing tricks on me?

Yep and here it is....
http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/317023794137985.php
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 08, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
Is this the official McKenna cup thread?
If so - does any man, woman or baste know what the Ants' starting team is tomorrow night?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2008, 03:12:40 PM
Is this the official McKenna cup thread?
If so - does any man, woman or baste know what the Ants' starting team is tomorrow night?

Tyrone make 10 changes for Down
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has made 10 changes for Wednesday night's McKenna Cup Section B meeting with Down at Healy Park in Omagh.  Although Philip Jordan and Ryan Mellon return after the UUJ defeat, it is still very much an experimental side.  In Section A, Fermanagh face Armagh at Breffni Park while Derry tackle the students of St Mary's at Ballinderry. In Section C, Antrim face Cavan at Casement Park. All games have a 2000 GMT throw-in. Meanwhile, Harte is giving every chance to produce some new faces for the new Championship season. Having handed out seven debuts last weekend, Harte gives another new boy a run with John Gilmore in at wing back. Cathal McCarron and Martin Swift, both in the full back line, are the only survivors from last Sunday's newcomers.
Tyrone, winners of the McKenna Cup for the past four seasons, are bidding to bounce back from their first defeat in the competition in five years.
Tyrone: P McConnell; PJ Quinn, C McCarron (Dromore), M Swift; J Gilmore, D Carlin, P Jordan; K Hughes, E McGinley, R Mellon; C Donnelly, A McCarron; C McCarron (Omagh), T McGuigan, P Rouse.

Fixtures
(all 2000 GMT)
Section A
Fermanagh v Armagh, Breffni Park
Derry v St Mary's, Ballinderry
Section B
Tyrone v Down, Omagh
Section C
Antrim v Cavan, Casement Park
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7176571.stm

No Antrim squad yet. If I get a chance later I'll post their squad from the programme. Bring a pen with you so you can write in the numbers on the programme when they call them out. It's £7 in by the way.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 08, 2008, 03:15:49 PM
Right. If my dog and bone keeps working*, I'll give updates.

*I sometimes get that problem that Bud Wiser gets. It keeps asking me to log in.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2008, 04:07:43 PM
The full Armagh V Derry game on TG4:

http://www.tg4.tv/channels/SportArchive.aspx?mm=l&ns=131&a=37892
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: feetofflames on January 08, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
Thats a much better Tyrone team for Wednesday night.  It looks like Harte is seriously rebuilding in 2008 and it may be a 2 or 3 year plan he is operating to.  Amidst all the Stevie O Neill rumours is that if that man quits, Tyrone have a severe derth of true forward talent in the mould of Canavan or Stevie coming through.  Is there anything at minor level coming through that in anway looks to be a prodigious talent that could be brought through in a couple of years.  If not Tyrone will struggle as their system has proven that it needs the talisman up front to make it work.  Tyrone dfensive options look decent they need to find another midfielder alongside Colum Cavanagh this year and Sean is desperately needed to boost the half forward attacking options.     
Title: Aontroim Squad
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2008, 05:26:36 PM
Aontroim Squad

Colin Brady
liam caraland
Ciaran Close
Paul Close
Paul Conlon
Tony Convery
Gerard Crossey
Paul Doherty
Mark Dougan
Niall Doyle
John Finucane
Benny Hasson
Anthony Healy
Sean kelly
Christopher Kerr
Michael Magill
Michael McCann
Andrew mcClean
Conor mcGoldrick
Kevin McGourty
Sean McGreevey
Niall Mckeever
Sean McVeigh
Conor Murray
Deaglan o'Hagan
Terry O'Neill
Eoin O'Neill
Joseph Quinn
Tony Scullion
Conleith Totten
Title: Re: Tyrone v Down
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 08, 2008, 07:05:48 PM
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Comórtas: Corn Mhic Chionaoith, Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v  An Dún,
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh, Dáta: 09-01-08

 

Who are these An Dún crowd? Are they another university team? I've been following GAA for over 10 years and never heard of them. :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 08, 2008, 07:06:51 PM
It's Irish for The Fort.
A pub team from Dungannon??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 08, 2008, 07:32:24 PM
It's Irish for The Fort.
A pub team from Dungannon??
It's a team from Portugal who are being flown in to play in the competition.
There we have it then.
Title: Down panel for tonights game
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 09, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
Down Panel

Declan Alder Carryduff
John Clarke An Riocht
Martin Cole Rostrevor
Bernard Connell Drumgath
Packie Downey Drumgath
Liam Doyle Liatroim
John Fegan Clonduff
Dan Gordon Loughisland
Conor Gribben Bryansford
Danny Hughes Saval
Jack Lynch Drumgath
Cathal Magee Mayobridge
John Mc Areavey Tullylish
Gary McArdle Annaclone
John McCarthy Loughisland
Ciarán McGovern Burren
Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
Kevin McKernan Burren
Brendan McVeigh An Riocht
Colm Murney Rostrevor
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Darren O'Hanlon Ballymartin
Damien Rafferty Shamrocks
Martin Rafferty Shamrocks
Brendan Rooney Mayobridge
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Ryan Stranney Loughisland
Damian Turley Downpatrick
Peter Turley Downpatrick
Peter Turley Saval

Tyrone squad for this evening
1 Pascal McConnell
2 PJ Quinn
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Marty Swift
5 John Gilmore
6 Dermot Carlin
7 Philip Jordan
8 Kelvin Hughes
9 Enda McGinley
10 Ryan Mellon   
11 Colm Donnelly
12 Aidan McCarron
13 Cathal McCarron
14 Tommy McGuigan
15 Paul Rouse

 

16 Jonathan Curran
17 Conor Gormley   
18 Ciaran Gourley         
19 David Harte
20 Colin Holmes
21 Colm McCullagh 
22 Mickey McGee
23 Kevin McNally
24 Conal Martin     
25 Owen Mulligan         
26 Fabian O’Neill
27 Martin Penrose
28 Gary Reilly
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 09, 2008, 12:27:38 PM
The Ulster Council GAA is launching a ‘Promotional Campaign’ for the 2008 ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’. 

This promotional activity is intended to promote a festival like and family friendly atmosphere at our games and the Ulster Council will provide special entertainment , at tonights ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’ fixture between Tyrone and Down.
 
On view will be entertainment such as Face Painters, Balloon Modelers, Life size Cartoon Characters, Special Guest Malachi Cush, with Scor Entertainment and a Foreign Nationals exhibition game at half time.
 
Patrons are advised to come early to avail of this entertainment as Malachi Cush will be entertaining the crowd from 7.15pm, ahead of the 8.00pm throw in.

As part of this marketing campaign, the Ulster Council is encouraging a ‘No Foul Language’ initiative.  NFL wristbands, for both adults and children, as well as a number of sponsors’ items will be distributed at these events.

Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’ which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition.  These will be on sale at all games in the competition.


Remember boys, 'oh fudge' when Mellon sends one onto the Gortin Road.
Any other acceptable obscenity substitutions?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2008, 04:05:17 PM
It should be an interesrting one tonight - I can see Tyrone winning by 6 - Down should be lightweight enough as well as Tyrone - home advantage to swing it in Tyrone's favour - any betting anywhere on this match ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ziggysego on January 09, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
What's the score so far? Is it on the radio?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Muzz on January 09, 2008, 08:38:47 PM
Probably have all the information by now but just incase.

Its on Q101 - http://www.mediauk.com/radio/431/q101-west (http://www.mediauk.com/radio/431/q101-west)

Also live updates on tyronegaa.ie
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 09, 2008, 09:39:27 PM
Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-7. Better result than the weekend but seemed to go to sleep a bit in the second half. By the sounds of things Cathal McCarron at FB and Aidan McCarron in the forwards were the big positives.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Over the Bar on January 09, 2008, 10:02:09 PM
full mtch reprt comin when i workd out hw 2 use ths blckberry........... :-\
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 09, 2008, 10:21:32 PM
Only 1-1 scored in the second half. I hear Gormley, Gourley, McCullagh and Holmes all made appearances at some stage.

Appears that the Down stat man really did a good job at HT.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
McKenna Cup v Down
09 Jan 2008

FINAL SCORE: TYRONE 3-5 DOWN 1-7
Despite scoring just twice in the second half, Tyrone hold on to beat Down cosily by four points, thanks to a very good first half display, the result leaving the Red Hands still in contention for a semi-final place as they now prepare to meet Donegal in their final group game in Ballyshannon on Sunday.

69 minutes: Ronan Sexton leaves the visitors trailing by four points after sustained Down pressure, moments after Conor Gormley comes on for his first appearance of the year in place of injured Dromore defender Cathal McCarron (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-7)

61 minutes: Packie Downey hits Down’s third point in a row from long-range as the Mournemen suggest they have not yet thrown in the towel (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-6)

57 minutes: Ronan Sexton punches a long ball over the bar to reduce Tyrone’s advantage to six points (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-5)

55 minutes: John Fegan converts a free for Down to leave seven points separating the sides with 15 minutes to play (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-4)

53 minutes: Enda McGinley sticks away Tyrone’s third goal of the night after the initial shot from Aidan McCarron ricochets into his path following Cathal McCarron’s free kick into the danger area (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-3)

47 minutes: Cathal McCarron grabs his second point of the night from a free kick, and Tyrone’s first score of the second half, after Colm Donnelly and Philip Jordan link up to earn the chance (Tyrone 2-5 Down 1-3)

36 minutes: Dan Gordon gets the first score of the second half and Conor Gribben quickly follows up with another point as Down begin the second half in determined fashion (Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-3)

Half-time: Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-1
Tyrone head to the dressing room six points to the good after a very pleasing first half performance, with Aidan McCarron and Tommy McGuigan both standing out and hitting 2-3 between them in open play, the pair getting great support from Paul Rouse and Omagh’s Cathal McCarron. Dromore’s Cathal McCarron, Marty Swift and Philip Jordan have shone in defence in an all round team display, a greatly improved showing from Sunday’s match against UUJ.

32 minutes: Tyrone storm into a six-point lead as Colm Donnelly and Aidan McCarron create the opportunity for Tommy McGuigan to finish brilliantly to the bottom corner of the net (Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-1)

23 minutes: Tyrone respond immediately as Tommy McGuigan and Paul Rouse carve open the Down defence for Aidan McCarron to finish emphatically to the net, bringing his tally to 1-2 (Tyrone 1-4 Down 1-1)

22 minutes: Down are amazingly level as Conor Gribben flicks the ball to the net after P J Quinn saves the initial shot from Conor Gribben on the line (Tyrone 0-4 Down 1-1)

21 minutes: Daniel Hughes finally opens Down’s account from a 13 metre free after Ryan Mellon is adjudged to have touched the ball on the ground (Tyrone 0-4 Down 0-1)

14 minutes: Tyrone’s impressive start continues as Cathal McCarron strikes the ball sweetly between the posts following a foul on Aidan McCarron (Tyrone 0-4 Down 0-0)

10 minutes: John Gilmore’s debut comes to a premature end as he has to be carried off and replaced in defence by Ciaran Gourley

7 minutes: A penetrating run by Enda McGinley paves the way for Aidan McCarron to slot over his second point in as many minutes after Cathal McCarron’s effort rebounds to him off the post (Tyrone 0-3 Down 0-0)

6 minutes: Paul Rouse again provides the lay-off as Tyrone go into a two-point lead courtesy of Aidan McCarron’s long-range finish following good work in defence by Marty Swift and Dermot Carlin (Tyrone 0-2 Down 0-0)

2 minutes: Paul Rouse collects possession, lays the ball back to Tommy McGuigan and the Ardboe man strokes the ball neatly between the posts to give Tyrone an early lead (Tyrone 0-1 Down 0-0)

Tyrone - Pascal McConnell, PJ Quinn, Cathal McCarron, Marty Swift, John Gilmore, Dermot Carlin, Philip Jordan, Kelvin Hughes, Enda McGinley, Ryan Mellon, Colm Donnelly, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron, Tommy McGuigan, Paul Rouse

Sub: Ciaran Gourley for J Gilmore (10 minutes), Colm McCullagh for T McGuigan (half-time), Martin Penrose for C Donnelly (56 minutes), Conor Gormley for C McCarron (Dromore, 68 minutes), Colin Holmes for K Hughes (69 minutes)

Subs - Jonathan Curran, , David Harte, , Colm McCullagh, Mickey McGee, Kevin McNally, Conal Martin, Owen Mulligan, Fabian O’Neill, Gary Reilly

Down - Declan McArdle, Colm McGovern, Gary McArdle, Martin Cole, Martin Rafferty, Peter Turley, Kevin McGuigan, Dan Gordon, Jackie Lynch, Kevin McKernan, Ronan Sexton, Daniel Hughes, Ryan Stranney, Packie Downey, Conor Gribbon

Subs: Cathal Magee for R Stranney, John Fegan for K McKernan, Colm Murray for  M Rafferty, Ronan Murtagh for P Turley

Subs - Bernard Connell, Liam Doyle, John McCarthy, John McAreavey, Damien Rafferty, Damien Turley, Peter Turley, John Clarke


http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=498
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 12:52:36 AM
Tyrone clinch first McKenna win
Tyrone beat Down 3-6 to 1-7 to claim their first Gaelic Life McKenna Cup win with Aidan McCarron, Tommy McGuigan and Enda McGinley scoring their goals.
Tyrone were 2-4 to 1-1 ahead at the break, Conor Gribben netting for Down.

Fermanagh beat Armagh 1-11 to 0-10 with Liam McBarron scoring the first-half goal. It was 1-7 to 0-4 at half-time.

Antrim beat Cavan 0-10 to 0-9, Michael McCann scoring five points and Derry beat St Mary's 1-15 to 2-8 with Paddy Bradley accumulating a tally of 1-5.

Substitutes John Cunningham and Paul McAleer were the St Mary's goalscorers in a scrappy match.

Tyrone raced into an early four-point lead at Healy Park but Down levelled through Gribben's 22nd minute goal.

McCarron and McGuigan scored goals in the 23rd and 32nd minutes and McGinley grabbed the Red Hands' third goal 18 minutes into the second period.

McBarron scored Fermanagh's goal after 16 minutes of the first half at Breffni Park and Patrick Cavan top-scored for the Ernemen with five points.

Substitute Paddy McKeever was Armagh's leading points scorer with 0-3.

Antrim and Cavan were locked at 0-5 apiece after the first half at Casement Park but the Saffrons proved too strong despite three points from Martin Reilly.

Derry were too good for St Mary's, leading 1-8 to 0-4 at half-time with the help of Bradley's sixth minute goal, and going on to win by four points.


Results
Section A
Fermanagh 1-11 0-10 Armagh
Derry 1-15 2-8 St Mary's
Section B
Tyrone 3-6 1-7 Down
Section C
Antrim 0-10 0-09 Cavan


Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7180244.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 09:09:01 AM
Gaelic Life Man is a rare looking creature, by the way. Oh and the BBC and UTV were out in force last night at Healy Park. Mr O'Callaghan for the BBC and Mr Logan with cameraman in tow for UTV. Hardly a swear word uttered despite the extreme provocation by the referee  ;D The Down men had no sign of a tan either.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: feetofflames on January 10, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
A fine first half performance from Tyrone and a less energetic second half performance understandable given the condidtions. MC Carron from Fintona is a cracker and should be given more games to make this positions his own.  The full back line of Quinn Mc Carron and Swift were superb and we need to give them more games to gel further.  The half back line fared well and midfield was very strong with tremendous workrate and their mobility ensured they won their battle against bigger more physical opponents with ease, and were involved in most of Tyrones fast flowing defence to attack moves.  On a night difficult for high catching, Hughes, Mc Ginley and Mellon caught some superb balls with Mc Ginley my overall MOM.   The half fowards fared well with Rouse, Donnelly and Mc Carron Omagh, possibly the weakest links on the team.  All in all Last year Harte changed a winning team after the Mc Kenna cup, I think he can confidently start the majority of this team the next day and give them the chance to improve and let the other guys force their way back in over the season.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: parttimeexile on January 10, 2008, 10:31:58 AM
Wiley(Mc Carron from fintona) is a great player and has been for years. Dont know why he has failed to make an impact sooner but think he has the pace and accuracy to make it at intercounty level but then again it is only the Mc Kenna cup and there are many tougher tests ahead.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Boozehell on January 10, 2008, 11:10:43 AM
Gaelic Life Man is a rare looking creature, by the way. Oh and the BBC and UTV were out in force last night at Healy Park. Mr O'Callaghan for the BBC and Mr Logan with cameraman in tow for UTV. Hardly a swear word uttered despite the extreme provocation by the referee  ;D The Down men had no sign of a tan either.


You're right there wasn't much swearing going on in the pitch.  But the language from the Tyrone supporters was nothing short from a disgrace.  I was at the match last night and if I had any children I would never bring them back to a Tyrone v Down game again.  As far as your comment about the Down players not having a tan it rained 4 out of the 5 days they were.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: feetofflames on January 10, 2008, 11:18:43 AM
Boozehell.  I wore my nfl wristband for the first 15 minutes of the game and as I continued to watch the most cynical Down team  I have ever seen, throw punch after punch off the ball with the referee giving the Tyrone players no protection I ripoped off my wristband stamped on it, and called the linesman, referee, Ulster council and the mouthy Down fan with the Gaelic Life skull cap in front all the hoors of the day  I felt totally justified in doing so. I will never take my great grannys best friend to another Down match again.. ever?
NFL = No f$$$ing linesman
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2008, 12:56:23 PM
Points from last night..................

First half performance was reasonable, nothing exceptional. Thought McCarron (Fintona) was ok, nothing special. McCarron (Dromore) and Swift were pick of team for me. Enda did fine as did Philly and Ryan, again nothing to write home about overall and especially not in the second half.

Second half was poor. Very poor. 2 scores was not good enough. If UUJ had've played us last night we would have been beaten again.

work rate improved to be fair (couldn't get much worse than Sunday), tommy did alright - def not a MF though.

bit my tongue after Sunday but can't today...........that Ref was f**ing terrible. One of the most blatantly biased performances I have seen in a long time. I canlt understand how he got a second run at Tyrone after his attitude last Sunday but he may as well have been wearing his Derry shirt all night.

In my understanding if you strike you are off - obviously not so for the Down 22 who sat on top of McCarron and punched him repeatedly about the head. Ref saw it, Linesman saw it = yellow card.  Nonsense.

Penrose was also smacked in passing which the ref saw and again failed to give a red  (Penrose provoked this a bit to be fair and should have been booked)

Agree that this was a very cynical performance from Down, maybe they are fed up with the "gentlemanly football" tag. Certainly whan I played in Down it was a much more freely flowing and downright sporting contest than in Tyrone. No need to try and be something yr not lads.

so far only Swift, McCarron (Fintona and Dromore) and Snowy O'Neill have shown they will have any chance of playing in the NFL let alone the Championship.

It's patently obvious we have no natural scorer coming through the ranks on these showings although you just wonder if Mulgrew beefed up could he do a job as a target man. He seems to be following the SON route to success - half forward success and maybe a FF role in later years.

What was really odd is that no-one on show seemed able to use both feet for kicking. Time and time again our forwards were forced to turn back into trouble to get a shot away with thier good foot. Surely at this level an aspiring county player should be able to pop the ball over from 10-15 yards with his bad foot?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Boozehell on January 10, 2008, 01:43:59 PM
As a Down fan at the game I want to talk to you about your last point.  I agree that any footballer should at least try and kick with their weak foot any where near in front of goals.  So what if it goes wide or if their lucky it goes to one of their own players at least they did not turn back and let the opposition get back and crowd the defence.  Do you there should be more emphasis on this in training?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 10, 2008, 01:52:40 PM
As a Down fan at the game I want to talk to you about your last point.  I agree that any footballer should at least try and kick with their weak foot any where near in front of goals.  So what if it goes wide or if their lucky it goes to one of their own players at least they did not turn back and let the opposition get back and crowd the defence.  Do you there should be more emphasis on this in training?

I think it has more to do with percentages when in possession. Unless you feel 80% confident that you can score, retain possession until you create an opening which lends itself to such a percentage. That does allow a defence time to regather but Harte's the sort of fella who has complete belief that his charges can and should retain possession. At this time of the year when scores are usually at a premium (9 scores to 8 last night) economical play will be rewarded. Later in the year, players will be sharper and fitter and be more confident of shooting on sight. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
I think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or evn good club) stanbard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.

Certainly county teams have more to do than teach players the basics................................
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: feetofflames on January 10, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
Far too  negative Tyrone man for the 2nd week in January.  That team played with more heart in that shitty game last night than the team that Meath beat in the all Ireland quarters last year.  Im not saying last nights display hadnt severe problems - but it is the summer boys who should be upping their game to get back in (beyond the obvious - Cavanagh/ Gormley etc. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 10, 2008, 02:10:13 PM
I think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or even good club) standard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.


Jaysus you're a hard man to please for the 9th of January. Tackling, passing etc - they're all the basics. I'm sure there were misplaced passes, mistimed tackles last night. Tired limbs and lungs at this time of the year. I'd be a little concerned if the same complaints were being made in mid-March.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2008, 02:34:02 PM
The Ulster Council GAA is launching a ‘Promotional Campaign’ for the 2008 ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’. 

This promotional activity is intended to promote a festival like and family friendly atmosphere at our games and the Ulster Council will provide special entertainment , at tonights ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’ fixture between Tyrone and Down.
 
On view will be entertainment such as Face Painters, Balloon Modelers, Life size Cartoon Characters, Special Guest Malachi Cush, with Scor Entertainment and a Foreign Nationals exhibition game at half time.
 
Patrons are advised to come early to avail of this entertainment as Malachi Cush will be entertaining the crowd from 7.15pm, ahead of the 8.00pm throw in.

As part of this marketing campaign, the Ulster Council is encouraging a ‘No Foul Language’ initiative.  NFL wristbands, for both adults and children, as well as a number of sponsors’ items will be distributed at these events.

Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire ‘Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup’ which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition.  These will be on sale at all games in the competition.


Remember boys, 'oh fudge' when Mellon sends one onto the Gortin Road.
Any other acceptable obscenity substitutions?
You boys get it good. Not as much as a fecking programme in Casement.
Anyway, who in their right mind would arrive 3/4 of an hour before throw in to see yer man, in that weather?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 03:18:07 PM
The programme was/is worse than useless. It requires a bit of understanding by the announcer to be able to call out the relevant teams in a slow and systematic way (and indeed several times). The squad number programmes from last year worked well when they were adhered to. It helps when teams like Tyrone announce their squad in advance so that some punters can print them off say from this website and use them.
I was encouraged by last nights first half performance by Tyrone especially when compared to the UUJ game. It all fell apart in the second half but the game was effectively over and the wet cold weather conditions were not helping either team. Have Down won a game in the last two years? Watch out UUJ!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Boozehell on January 10, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
The programme that was bought last night is the same one for every game in the Mc Kenna Cup.  If anybody went to the Ulster Club Championship games the programmes for them were a disgrace.  For instance Mayobridge v Dromore in Newry.  Who cared if Jim Bob Smith was playing Harry Ramsden in Casement Park in the Ulster Junior Championship.  All I wanted to see was a programme dedicated to that match. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: downredblack on January 10, 2008, 04:15:51 PM
The programme that was bought last night is the same one for every game in the Mc Kenna Cup.  If anybody went to the Ulster Club Championship games the programmes for them were a disgrace.  For instance Mayobridge v Dromore in Newry.   Who cared if Jim Bob Smith was playing Harry Ramsden in Casement Park in the Ulster Junior Championship.  All I wanted to see was a programme dedicated to that match. 

At least you got one  :(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 10, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
Boozehell.  I wore my nfl wristband for the first 15 minutes of the game and as I continued to watch the most cynical Down team  I have ever seen, throw punch after punch off the ball with the referee giving the Tyrone players no protection I ripoped off my wristband stamped on it, and called the linesman, referee, Ulster council and the mouthy Down fan with the Gaelic Life skull cap in front all the hoors of the day  I felt totally justified in doing so. I will never take my great grannys best friend to another Down match again.. ever?
NFL = No f$$$ing linesman


I think the technical term for it is "giving you diving tramps a reason to go down"  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
Quote
I think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or even good club) standard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.

Jaysus Lads I'm actually very heartened by MH's approach to this McKenna Cup and if we get 2-3 new quality prospects I'll be delighted.

The above comment was only in relation to the Down poster suggesting county panels should practice shooting with the weaker foot - I don't think that county trianing sessions are the place for weak foot practice, that's all, there are more important things to be gettign on with at these get togethers.
Title: Tyrone V Down highlights
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 08:32:15 PM
Highlights from the night at Healy Park on the following link:

Move forward to the end of the first page, then move into the second page for 9.50mins:

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080110-hi.asx
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 10, 2008, 11:03:22 PM
Jaysus Lads I'm actually very heartened by MH's approach to this McKenna Cup and if we get 2-3 new quality prospects I'll be delighted.


Absolutely, and reasonably promising so far. Sunday will tell a tale no doubt, and makes all the more creditable Kerry's introduction of young Pádraig Reidy and Killian Young seamlessly into a team of that calibre, and for them to perform with such assurance and aplomb.
Title: Monaghan name strong side
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 11:26:40 PM
Monaghan name strong side
10 January 2008


Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney has brought the guillotine down on experimentation in ruthless fashion when naming his strongest team in the McKenna Cup so far for the county’s final group game against Antrim in Ballybay on Sunday at 2.00pm.

In keeping with his comments after the county’s defeat by Cavan the axe has fallen on a number of fringe players for a game that the manager sees as crucial in his preparations for the county’s league opener against Roscommon. Despite some improved performances against Cavan only one of the players who were tried in their two games so far, goal keeper, Padraig McBennett, has been named for Sunday and he was reserve keeper last year.

In naming the team he has for Sunday’s game Seamus McEnaney is making a strong statement that he is approaching the game against Antrim in a totally different frame of mind as the time for experimentation is over and he is fielding a team that looks more akin to the side he will hope to have on duty on Sunday February 3rd.

"We will still be without the seven players who are on college duty for Sunday’s match and all those players played championship football for Monaghan last year but the team we have named is getting down to the more serious business. The league is our focus now but then the league has been our focus since we were defeated by Kerry in the All Ireland qualifiers back in August. The Dr McKenna Cup was a chance for us to assess a number of players in a competitive situation and having seen what we have over the past two Sundays we had to sit down now and have a look at the panel that we will be working with for the National League."

This is a relatively strong Monaghan team but the fact that Monaghan have those seven college players to come back and given the performances of the likes of Daniel McNally and Neil McAdam along with the return of such as Raymond Ronaghan and Anthony Rooney the panel for 2008 has an even stronger look about it than last year. Paul McGuigan is just one of those players and his performances for UUJ have been getting rave reviews.

The team for Sunday sees Damien Freeman, Eoin Lennon and Paul Finlay getting their first starts, Finlay lining out on his home pitch, but he does leave the position of right corner vacant for the time being. Dessie Mone reverts to his more familiar role of defender and Gary McQuaid starts at centre back to give thjis Monaghan team a much more familiar look. Being staged in Pearse Park is a recognition that the famed mid Monaghan venue is coming back onto the inter county scene and the match should still attract a good attendance.

"I hope we get a good crowd" Seamus McEnaney said when releasing the team for Sunday’s game "as this is our last competitive match before we play Roscommon in Clones in the league on the first Sunday in February and it would be a real boost to the boys to see a good turn out. This year again we will be taking things one game at a time and as last year our support is very important to us. Its also the first time that the county has played in Ballybay for quite a few years and its a ground where Monaghan had a great reputation as being hard to beat so we should see a good crowd on Sunday".

Monaghan: Padraig McBennett, Dessie Mone, Colm Flanagan, Dermot McArdle, Damien Freeman, Gary McQuaid, John Paul Mone, Eoin Lennon, Paul Finlay, Owen Duffy, Rory Woods, Conor McManus, AN Other, Vincent Corey, Tomas Freeman.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87572
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Frank Casey on January 10, 2008, 11:30:04 PM
Absolutely, and reasonably promising so far. Sunday will tell a tale no doubt, and makes all the more creditable Kerry's introduction of young Pádraig Reidy and Killian Young seamlessly into a team of that calibre, and for them to perform with such assurance and aplomb.

Well said. No team can stand still and must evolve all the time. The two young lads done well last summer and there are one or three more that will hopefully see the light at seniors before the sheep start lambing. There's promise standing from no. 16 up in Kerry and any team that doesn't look for that whether in McKenna/O'Byrne or later in Nat League you're last year's story.
Title: Saffrons nick the points
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 11:30:44 PM
Saffrons nick the points while Hardstation freezes
10 January 2008


Antrim 0-10
Cavan 0-09

Antrim opened their Dr McKenna Cup campaign with a win following last night’s (Wednesday) tough encounter against a spirited Cavan side at Casement Park.

The weather conditions did not help the standard of football on display as both sides found scores hard to come by with the majority of points coming from placed balls.

Nonetheless, the match was a close contest throughout and the sides were level on three occasions in the first half including at the interval.

After 15 minutes the sides were all square at 0-3 each, but points by Ryan McCormack and Eddie O’Reilly put Cavan two in front. However, the home side hit back with scores from Niall Doyle and Michael Magill to level matters at half time.

Michael McCann (2) and substitute Conor Murray helped Antrim into a three-point lead early in the second half, although these were to be the last scores until the last seven minutes when Martin Reilly narrowed the deficit for Cavan.

Reilly and McCann were in their own personal battle from frees and it was the Antrim man who came out on top as Reilly hit the post from a free late on to level the game.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87567
Title: Fermanagh worthy winners over Armagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 11:35:50 PM
Fermanagh worthy winners over Armagh
10 January 2008


Fermanagh under their new manager and former player, Malachy O’Rourke chalked up their second win in Group A of the Dr. McKenna Cup competition, when on Wednesday, 9th of January at wind and rain-swept Kingspan-Breffni Park, Cavan they were deserving winners over an experimental Armagh side on a scoreline of 1-11 to 0-10.

This win sets the Fermanagh side up nicely for their top-of-the-table clash with Derry in Glen on Sunday afternoon next, 13th of January - and a win would book their place in the knock-out stages of the competition.

Fermanagh who themselves included a number of newcomers to inter-county senior ranks dominated the opening half of the game on Wednesday night, thanks to some great play around the middle of the field and at the break they were good value for their 1-7 to 0-4 lead - after leading by 1-5 to 0-1 after 23 minutes play. The Fermanagh goal came in the 18th minute from a fisted effort from the experienced Liam McBarron who lines-out in the full-forward berth.

As expected Armagh regrouped well for the start of the second-half and two early points from Gregory Loughran and Liam O’Hare gave them an early boost. They more than held their own possessionwise for the remainder of the game - which saw more bite in the play, and with the game entering the final quarter worked their way back into contention to reduce the leeway to three points 1-9 to 0-9.

However, Fermanagh never panicked and while they were put under greater pressure by the Orchard county in the closing minutes always had that little bit in hand to come away with a deserved four points success - 1-11 to 0-10. Armagh really went for ’broke’ in the closing minutes for a goal that could have saved the day for them. However, they were lacking a Steven McDonnell or Oisin McConville on this occasion, and came up short in the finish.

This was a good all-round team-performance from the Fermanagh side, and their application to the task in hand and work-rate all over the field must have really pleased their new management. Two wins from two competitive starts is a good way to start the season - but their real test will come on Sunday next, 13th of January when they come up against unbeaten Derry in this eagerly awaited clash at the Glen venue.

Fermanagh - Chris Breen; Shane Goan, Shane McDermott, Declan O’Reilly; Raymond Johnston, Shane Lyons, Peter Sherry; James Sherry, Ciaran Boyle; Niall Keenan, Shaun Doherty (0-2), Ciaran McElroy (0-2); Patrick Cadden (0-4, all frees), Liam McBarron (1-0), Ronan McCabe (0-2, both free).
Subs - Jonathan McGurn for Liam McBarron; Ciaran Leonard (0-1) for Ronan McCabe; Ciaran Maguire for Niall Keenan; Mark Murphy for Shaun Doherty.

Armagh - Paudie Rodgers; Gerard McCreesh, Enda McNulty, Gerard McCoy; Kieran McKeever, Aidan O’Rourke, Finian Moriarty; Dara Edwards, Ronan Austin; Brian Mallon (0-1), Gregory Loughran (0-2), Liam O’Hare (0-1); Martin O’Rourke, Gareth Swift, Kevin O’Rourke (0-3, one free).
Subs - Mark Quinn for Ronan Austin; Paddy McKeever (0-3, two frees) for Dara Edwards; Gary Reel for Gerard McCoy.

Referee; Jimmy Galligan (Cavan
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87581
Title: Another impressive victory for Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 11:37:10 PM
Another impressive victory for Derry
10 January 2008


Derry chalked up their second win in Group A of the Dr. McKenna Cup after two starts when on Wednesday, 9th of January at the Ballinderry venue they defeated a determined St. Mary’s U.C., Belfast side on a scoreline of 1-15 to 2-8. This was an interesting game from start to finish with the students to their credit taking the game to their more experienced opponents for long periods, and really ’having a go’.

However, in the end the Oak Leaf county had too much strength in depth with All-Star forward Paddy Bradley in lively form leading their attack and finishing the game with a personal tally of 1-5.

Despite the best efforts of the St. Mary’s side the home team dominated play in the opening half, and helped by a Paddy Bradley goal in the sixth minute from a Ryan Keeley pass they went in at the break in a comfortable position leading by 1-8 to 0-4.

To the credit of the students they never gave up the fight, and made Paddy Crozier’s Derry side work hard to the final whistle. They scored two goals in the second-half from John Cunningham and an effort from Paul McAleer in the closing minutes, but it wasn’t enough to trouble a strong and focussed Derry side who always had something in hand. They can now look forward to their top-of-the-table clash with unbeaten Fermanagh on Sunday afternoon next, 13th of January at the Glen venue, and that should be an interesting encounter.

Derry - J. Deighan; N. Holy, K. McGuckin, J. Kane; M. McBride 0-1, N. McCusker 0-1, F. McEldowney; Fergal Doherty, A. McElhone; R. Keely 0-2, C. O’Kane 0-1, S. L. McGoldrick; E; Lynn 0-1, Paddy Bradley 1-5, 0-3 from frees, C. Mullan 0-3, 2 frees.
Subs - Liam Hinphey for J. Kane; C. Devlin 0-1 for S. L. McGoldrick; M. Craig for N. McCusker; O. Brown for E. Lynn; K. McCloy for N. Holly.

St. Mary’s - B. Marron; D. Smith, M. Digney, K. O’Boyle; M. McKeever, S. O’Neill, B. Og Maguire; J. Kelly, G. O’Neill 0-1; B. McGoldrick 0-3, one free, C. Niblock, N. McVeigh; S. Donaghy, M. Pollock 0-1 from a free, P. Carville 0-4, 3 frees.
Subs - T. Hackett for K. O’Boyle; J. McCormack for S. Donaghy; S. Cunningham 1-0 for N. McVeigh; P. McAleer for G. O’Neill 1-0 and R. Hamill for B. McGoldrick.

Referee: Gregory Walsh from Antrim.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87579
Title: Austin injury setback for Armagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 10:40:51 AM
Austin injury setback for Armagh
Armagh midfielder Ronan Austin suffered a broken leg in the opening exchanges of Wednesday night's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game against Fermanagh. Fermanagh ran out 1-11 to 0-10 winners at Breffni Park. The young Clan na Gael player will be out of action for several months and will almost certainly miss the Orchard county's National League campaign. Armagh manager Peter McDonnell will hope to have Austin back in action for the Ulster Championship.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7182329.stm
Title: McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.

McGuigan, whose career has been devastated by a broken leg, followed by a serious eye injury, has been named in the subs for the Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal.

It's the first time the double All-Ireland winner and All-Star playmaker has been included in the match-day squad this season.

Manager Mickey Harte has once again rung the changes for Sunday's trip to Ballyshannon.

He has made seven changes from the side that started in midweek, with only the full back line remaining intact from the win over Down.

Johnny Curran becomes the third goalkeeper to play in as many games, with Davy Harte returning to the half back line.

A new midfield partnernship sees Colin Holmes team up with Conal Martin, and up front there are starts for Gary Reilly, Martin Penrose and Shaun O'Neill.

Tyrone (SF v Donegal): J Curran, PJ Quinn, C McCarron (Dromore), M Swift, D Harte, D Carlin, P Jordan, C Holmes, C Martin, G Reilly, C McCarron (Omagh), A McCarron, M Penrose, T McGuigan, S O'Neill.
 
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0111/mcguiganb.html
Title: Tyrone Team v Donegal
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
Tyrone Team v Donegal

1    Jonathan Curran
2    PJ Quinn
3    Cathal McCarron   
4    Marty Swift
5    David Harte
6    Dermot Carlin
7    Philip Jordan
8    Colin Holmes
9    Conal Martin         
10    Gary Reilly
11    Cathal McCarron   
12    Aidan McCarron   
13    Martin Penrose
14    Tommy McGuigan
15    Shaun O’Neill

16    John Devine
17    Colm Donnelly   
18    Conor Gormley       
19    Ciaran Gourley             
20    Kelvin Hughes   
21    Colm McCullagh     
22    Mickey McGee
23    Enda McGinley
24    Brian McGuigan
25    Kevin McNally
26    Ryan Mellon           
27    Owen Mulligan           
28    Fabian O’Neill
29    Paul Rouse


As the programme is next to useless my advice is to print out this team and take it to the match with you. Well done to Tyrone by the way. Their communictaion of the team sheet early for each of their games is much appreciated and shows a respect and consideration for the supporters which I'm afraid is generally not the norm.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 07:03:47 PM
Anyone notice a trend here:

Donegal Footballers back from the sun holiday11 January 2008


Donegal senior footballers will be hoping to get their first victory in this season’s Dr. McKenna Cup campaign when he come back from a warming holiday in the sun for their Dr. McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone at Father Tierney Park, Ballyshannon on Sunday. Both sides have already lost their opening round game to UUJ, and a win is vital if they are to stay in contention for a place in the knock-out stages of the competition. When Donegal and Tyrone meet in any competitive game it is always interesting and exciting and that should be the case once again this Sunday at the Ballyshannon venue.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87625
Title: Re: McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Post by: stew on January 11, 2008, 07:12:30 PM
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.

McGuigan, whose career has been devastated by a broken leg, followed by a serious eye injury, has been named in the subs for the Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal.
 

Absolutely brilliant news. I am thrilled for McGuigan. ;D

Title: Re: McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 11, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.

Fantastic news, wouldn't that be something (if that report isn't total bullsh*t)!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 11, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Anyone notice a trend here:

Donegal Footballers back from the sun holiday11 January 2008


Donegal senior footballers will be hoping to get their first victory in this season’s Dr. McKenna Cup campaign when he come back from a warming holiday in the sun for their Dr. McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone at Father Tierney Park, Ballyshannon on Sunday. Both sides have already lost their opening round game to UUJ, and a win is vital if they are to stay in contention for a place in the knock-out stages of the competition. When Donegal and Tyrone meet in any competitive game it is always interesting and exciting and that should be the case once again this Sunday at the Ballyshannon venue.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87625


Father Tierney Park on a January day. :o

Bring your coats!
Title: QUB V Cavan Latest
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 12, 2008, 07:20:43 PM
Cavan 2-08   QUB 0-7 latest 20 mins into 2nd half

David Rooney, Dunne and Martin Reilly playing well. Crowd of 1000 in bad weather conditions

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 12, 2008, 07:41:25 PM
Keep it Green drici

Cavan 2-10  QUB 0-11     Result
Title: Breffni County earn win over QUB
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 12, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
Breffni County earn win over QUB
Cavan completed their Gaelic Life McKenna Cup Group C campaign with a 2-10 to 0-11 win over Queen's which may earn the Breffnimen a semi-final place. Jason O'Reilly hit Cavan's opening goal with a close-range strike on eight minutes at Kingspan Breffni Park.
The second goal came before half-time when Queen's goalkeeper Kevin Kelly fumbled Mark McKeever's long ball into his own net. Cavan led 2-6 to 0-3 at half-time and were never in any danger after that. Michael O'Rourke and Charlie Vernon hit Queen's scores after half-time and while Michael Ward also chipped in with a couple of scores for the visitors, Cavan also kept their score ticking over. Finbarr O'Reilly finished with four points while Eddie Reilly and James Clarke were also on target for Cavan. Clarke had a fine game after his early introduction while John McCutcheon also showed up well for the Breffnimen. Mark McKeever and Lorcan Mulvey both impressed in midfield for the home side. Paul McComiskey and Conor McGinn were also among the QUB scorers.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7185513.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 12, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.

Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily

Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!

Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half

expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.

Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.

Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 01:23:49 AM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables   
      
Section A   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   2   2   0   0   4   33   20   1.650
Fermanagh   2   2   0   0   4   35   24   1.458
St Mary's   2   0   0   2   0   28   39   0.718
Armagh   2   2   0   2   0   16   29   0.552

                               
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   31   24   1.292
Tyrone   2   1   0   1   2   23   22   1.045
Donegal   1   0   0   1   0   15   19   0.789
Down   1   0   0   1   0   10   14   0.714
                                
Section C   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Antrim   1   1   0   0   2   10   9   1.111
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
QUB   2   1   0   0   2   21   25   0.840
Monaghan   2   0   0   2   0   21   25   0.840

http://antrim.gaa.ie/uploads/newsimages/McKenna%20Cup%20Tables-%2011012008.doc
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 01:31:36 AM
A win and a draw from the next two games sees the Ants through.
Huge game tomorrow (today really).

The thread title is a cracker. ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Tyrone are brilliant, just brilliant
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 01:47:54 AM
A win and a draw from the next two games sees the Ants through.
Huge game tomorrow (today really).

The thread title is a cracker. ;D

I think so too Hardstation  ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Tyrone are brilliant, just brilliant
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 01:49:34 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh - bollox.
I hate people with power.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: bennydorano on January 13, 2008, 02:11:02 AM
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.

Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily

Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!

Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half

expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.

Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.

Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Kevin Kelly plays MF or FF, he got a call to play nets because no goalie was available!!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 02:30:35 AM
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.

Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily

Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!

Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half

expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.

Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.

Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Kevin Kelly plays MF or FF, he got a call to play nets because no goalie was available!!!

That situation would have been ripe for a ringer in the auld days.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 13, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
Any team news for Armagh? Am thinking of doing a bet and wanna see the team before I do anything!

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on January 13, 2008, 02:09:05 PM
armagh team ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
An exciting game in Ballyshannon today, if somewhat short on quality, though the ground was very heavy.

A lot of positives to be taken from the game, and a few negatives too (some of the debutants just not up to the county mark). Enda Mc Ginley was outstanding, and good to see him back to something like his best, indeed, Fintan Ward had wanted to give him man of the match but felt it had to be given a winning team player (Colm Mc Fadden) in the end.

Not a bad way to bow out of the Cup, could have been a whole lot worse.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 13, 2008, 04:21:38 PM
I thought it was decent enough stuff, although I only saw the second half. I felt Cassidy in the middle and  McFadden up front were the difference, although McFadden spoiled some of his excellent work with a couple of poor wides. Donegal looked to have a wee bit more experience in vital areas out there, so it was important for them not to lose it.
I wonder will McIver try Rafferty at midfield in the league? He was in the team for a while way back during Mickey Moran's tenure, so I have my doubts that he is a serious option. David Walsh looked promising at times, and may be given a chance in the panel as Ciaran Bonner is taking the year out and Rory Kavanagh is going to be missing for a few months.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2008, 04:30:22 PM
Yep, a lot of bad wides for Donegal, and a few missed goal chances too, where we had six (I think) into the keeper's hands. A fair result overall.
Title: Cavan 2-10 Queen's 0-11
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 04:44:31 PM

Cavan 2-10 Queen's 0-11

Saturday, 12 January 2008 20:59

Donal Keoghan's Cavan side picked up their second win in Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C tonight to boost their chances of making the semi-finals.

In their final game of the Dr McKenna Cup group stages, Cavan finished 2-10 to 0-11 winners over a battling Queen's side at Kingspan Breffni Park.

Jason O'Reilly slammed home their opening goal from close range in the eighth-minute.

Queen's goalkeeper Kevin Kelly failed to gather a long ball from Mark McKeever and his fumble resulted in the hosts' second goal, just before the break.

They turned around with a 2-6 to 0-3 lead and Cavan proved too strong with Finbarr O'Reilly, who top-scored with 0-4, James Clarke and Eddie Reilly all getting on the scoresheet.

Clarke was one of the Breffni men's top performers on the night, while McKeever and Lorcan Mulvey were also very productive in centre-field.

Queen's tried valiantly to mount a comeback with Michael O'Rourke, Michael Ward and Charlie Vernon adding to earlier points from Paul McComiskey and Conor McGinn.

The Section C winners will not be confirmed until the completion of tomorrow's Monaghan v Antrim game and the Saffrons' clash with Queen's, which was postponed due to bad weather last Saturday.
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Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0112/cavan.html
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ExiledGael on January 13, 2008, 04:45:08 PM
Right where does that leave us??
Derry v best second place???
UUJ (probably) v Antrim (probably)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 13, 2008, 05:14:20 PM
BBC Report

Red Hands out of Dr McKenna Cup

Holders Tyrone are out of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after they lost 0-12 to 0-11 against Donegal on Sunday.

Donegal missed three early goal chances and Tyrone led 0-5 to 0-3 at the end of a half delayed by Aidan McCarron being taken to hospital because of injury.

Tyrone moved three ahead (0-7 to 0-4) but Donegal hit seven of the next eight scores to lead 0-11 to 0-8.

The Red Hands produced a late rally but Colm McFadden's six points helped Donegal hold on to earn a deserved win.

Brian McGuigan's anticipated return to Tyrone colours after injury did not materialise with Mickey Harte opting not to risk the Ardboe man in the heavy underfoot conditions at Ballyshannon.

Christy Toye and the lively Brian Roper missed early goal chances although the latter did have the consolation of claiming a point with his close-range chance.

After Kevin McNally had levelled for Tyrone, Ryan Bradley then blazed another glorious Donegal chance over the bar and Roper wasted another opportunity by hitting another great opportunity across the face of goal in the 15th minute.

Tyrone's young team finally began to look the part midway through the opening period and they hit four unanswered points to lead 0-5 to 0-2 with Cathal McCarron slotting three scores and Shaun O'Neill also on target.

However the Red Hands suffered a blow before the break when Aidan McCarron had to be taken to hospital by ambulance after appearing to sustain a head injury.

Initial reports suggested that that the injury was not serious.

After leading 0-5 to 0-3 at the interval, two Tommy McGuigan scores helped Tyrone move into a 0-7 to 0-4 lead after 42 minutes.

However, Donegal's more direct play was starting to cause problems in the Tyrone defence and two McFadden efforts, split by a fisted Ryan Bradley effort, levelled matters by the 51st minute.

After Shaun O'Neill had missed a Tyrone goal chance, Gary O'Neill did restore the Red Hand advantage but Donegal replied with four successive points to lead 0-11 to 0-8 after 58 minutes with McFadden (two), Roper and David Walsh on target.

Donegal led 0-12 to 0-9 after 62 minutes but Tyrone had the better of the closing stages.

Cathal McCarron hit the final two scores of the game and Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan needed to make a superb late catch to field a dangerous high ball from Colm McCullagh in the final play of the game.

The result leaves Tyrone on two points from their three games while Donegal still have qualification hopes with their final game against Down to follow.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 05:16:00 PM
Quote
UUJ (probably) v Antrim (probably)
Probably not. Not sure if I have this right but I think Antrim have to beat Queens by 14/15 points to top the group.
Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 06:51:03 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables   
     
Section A   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                               
Section B    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   31   24   1.292
Tyrone   3   1   0   2   2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   2   1   0   1   2    27   30  0.900
Down   1   0   0   1   0    10   14   0.714
                                 
Section C    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2    36   32  1.125
Antrim   2   1   0   1   2   17   24   0.708
QUB   2   1   0   0     21   25   0.840
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Jinxy on January 13, 2008, 06:52:06 PM
Is the Tyrone lad that had to be taken away in the ambulance ok? The tackle itself seemed relatively innocuous at first glance.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 06:54:19 PM
So, if the Lizzies beat Antrim by 12 points on Wednesday, they go through.
Is that right?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 13, 2008, 07:06:38 PM
So, if the Lizzies beat Antrim by 12 points on Wednesday, they go through.
Is that right?

What if Donegal beat Down?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 07:08:48 PM
I mean that Queens will top their group if they beat Antrim by 12.
I haven't even considered the highest scoring loser yet.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ExiledGael on January 13, 2008, 07:14:07 PM
Either Donegal, Fermanagh or QUB/Antrim for runner up then? Can anyone explain that scoring average please? Who's likely to go through
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 07:24:09 PM
Cavan could also finish runners up.
It's a mess. We just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 13, 2008, 07:38:53 PM
I mean that Queens will top their group if they beat Antrim by 12.
I haven't even considered the highest scoring loser yet.

Oops!
Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables - REMAINING FIXTURES
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 07:40:54 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables    
      
Section A    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                                
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   31   24   1.292
Tyrone   3   1   0   2   2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   2   1   0   1   2    27   30  0.900
Down   1   0   0   1   0    10   14   0.714

UUJ v Down at Newcastle
Down v Donegal at Newry
                                
Section C     Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2    36   32  1.125
Antrim   2   1   0   1   2   17   24   0.708
QUB   2   1   0   0   2    21   25   0.840

Queens v Antrim at Casement Park

Impossible to predict with scoring averages. I think they divide the for score by the against score.

My prediction Derry (obviously) Donegal, Cavan and UUJ.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2008, 08:00:18 PM

Is this the end of Tyrone as they drop out at an early stage of the McKenna Cup and feel the pain experienced by others who have sought five in a row glory?...

Yep, without a doubt (and let's ignore completely Tyrone B UUJ).
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:18:45 PM

Is this the end of Tyrone as they drop out at an early stage of the McKenna Cup and feel the pain experienced by others who have sought five in a row glory?  Do they have a Darby moment? :D

The last time we didn't win the McKenna, we won the NFL and then went through the SFC unbeaten, nailing Armagh in the final with a fella on one leg.

Probably take that again.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2008, 08:41:09 PM
A poor substitute for thinking before you write in the first place  ;)
Title: Re: Red Hands out of Dr McKenna Cup
Post by: J70 on January 13, 2008, 09:43:39 PM
Red Hands out of Dr McKenna Cup
Holders Tyrone are out of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after they lost 0-12 to 0-11 against Donegal on Sunday.  Donegal missed goal chances and Tyrone led 0-5 to 0-3 at the end of a half delayed by Aidan McCarron being taken to hospital with suspected concussion.  Tyrone moved three ahead (0-7 to 0-4) but Donegal hit seven of the next eight scores to lead 0-11 to 0-8. The Red Hands produced a late rally but Colm McFadden's six points helped Donegal hold on to earn a deserved win.  Brian McGuigan's anticipated return to Tyrone colours after injury did not materialise with Mickey Harte opting not to risk the Ardboe man in the heavy underfoot conditions at Ballyshannon. Christy Toye and the lively Brian Roper missed early goal chances although the latter did have the consolation of claiming a point with his close-range chance.
After Kevin McNally had levelled for Tyrone, Ryan Bradley then blazed another glorious Donegal chance over the bar and Roper wasted another opportunity by hitting another great opportunity across the face of goal in the 15th minute. Tyrone's young team finally began to look the part midway through the opening period and they hit four unanswered points to lead 0-5 to 0-2 with Cathal McCarron slotting three scores and Shaun O'Neill also on target. However the Red Hands suffered a blow before the break when Aidan McCarron had to be taken to hospital by ambulance after appearing to sustain a head injury. Initial reports suggested that that the player had sustained concussion and he is expected to be kept in Sligo General Hospital overnight. After leading 0-5 to 0-3 at the interval, two Tommy McGuigan scores helped Tyrone move into a 0-7 to 0-4 lead after 42 minutes. However, Donegal's more direct play was starting to cause problems in the Tyrone defence and two McFadden efforts, split by a fisted Ryan Bradley effort, levelled matters by the 51st minute. After Shaun O'Neill had missed a Tyrone goal chance, Gary Reilly did restore the Red Hand advantage but Donegal replied with four successive points to lead 0-11 to 0-8 after 58 minutes with McFadden (two), Roper and David Walsh on target. Donegal led 0-12 to 0-9 after 62 minutes but Tyrone had the better of the closing stages. Cathal McCarron hit the final two scores of the game and Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan needed to make a superb late catch to field a dangerous high ball from Colm McCullagh in the final play of the game. The result leaves Tyrone on two points from their three games while Donegal still have qualification hopes with their final game against Down to follow.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7186186.stm

Already posted.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 13, 2008, 09:53:56 PM
Donegal's tactic of hoofing the ball into the Tyrone full back line today paid dividends- the fullback line was very exposed at times and I thought we were lucky to lose by just 1 point in the end.

But at least we got to see players in competitive situations and now management will have to make up their minds.
Title: Donegal 0-12 Tyrone 0-11
Post by: Redhandfan on January 13, 2008, 10:29:53 PM
So, our reign in the Dr McKenna Cup is over!  I thought it was a fair enough result in Ballyshannon and not the worst of games for the time of year.

Tyrone lost out today because we lost our way around midfield in the second half and also failed to stop McFadden.  Those two second half goal opportunities that were missed by Snowy O'Neill and Cathal McCarron were also critical.  McFadden was the only Donegal player who did us any major harm, winning just about every ball that came his way and having far too many free shots on goal.  Swift, who was having a good campaign up to today, was given quite a roasting.  I was very surprised that he was allowed to remain on McFadden for so long (sixty minutes, I think!).  Had either Cathal McCarron (Dromore) or Conor Gormley been available to mark McFadden today, I think we would have seen a different outcome to the game.

On the plus side, Enda McGinley's work-rate was outstanding for the second game in succession while Tommy McGuigan showed again that he has the talent and potential to earn a regular spot in the Tyrone attack for the much bigger games that lie ahead.  P.J. Quinn and Philly Jordan also played well in tough conditions while Cathal McCarron and Snowy O'Neill (despite fluffing goal chances) did enough in attack to at least keep their place in the squad for the National League.    
Title: McKenna semis to be rescheduled
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
McKenna semis to be rescheduled
The McKenna Cup semi-finals are likely to be rescheduled to a midweek date due to the postponement of Sunday's Down v UUJ Group B clash in Newcastle. With the decider still on schedule for 26 January, the result of postponed game has a bearing on who goes through.
Down are due to play Donegal this Wednesday night, so their game with the students could go ahead this weekend, the original date for the semi-finals. It is now likely that they semis will take place on Wednesday 23 January.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7186690.stm

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2008, 05:41:32 PM
Donegal V Tyrone game on TG4:

http://www.tg4.tv/channels/SportArchive.aspx?mm=l&ns=131&a=38236
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
Any word on Aidan McCarron?
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http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=501
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: orangeman on January 15, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
That Kevin Cassidy must have a quare auld hard shoulder ! Either that or he had a block under his jumper ! ;) ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 15, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
Should the thread title not be changed to impossible five in a row??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: hardstation on January 15, 2008, 06:27:42 PM
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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 Unlikely five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 15, 2008, 06:28:31 PM
Be some job from Mickey if they do get it then!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2008, 07:23:55 PM
Should the thread title not be changed to impossible five in a row??

Happy now!
Title: McKenna Cup clashes on Wednesday
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 05:50:14 PM
McKenna Cup clashes on Wednesday
At least one more Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-finalist will be known after Wednesday's games at Casement Park and Pairc Esler, Newry (2000 GMT). Antrim face Queen's in the final Section C game in Belfast with both teams on two points - two behind Cavan, who have completed their group games. Down face Donegal at Newry with the home side having lost their opener and Donegal on two points from two games. Leaders UUJ face Down in the last group B game on Saturday (1800). Donegal showed decent form when edging out Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday. Down were beaten by the Red Hands in their first group match last week. Queen's beat an understrength Monaghan team in their opened but they were well-beaten by Cavan on Saturday night. Antrim, meanwhile, surprised Cavan in their opener last Wednesday but they went down by eight points against a strong Monaghan side on Sunday. If there is a winner at Casement Park, scoring differences will have to be calculated to decide who heads the group and earns a place in the semi-finals. It's possible that the second place team could in Section C could also progress if their scoring difference is better than Fermanagh in Section A.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7190216.stm

Victories for Donegal and Antrim expected. (or will Down win their first game in two years?)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 07:11:41 PM
there second ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: downredblack on January 16, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Anyone got any scores yet ?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 16, 2008, 10:27:52 PM
Anyone got any scores yet ?


You don't want to f**king know!!

Down 5-13 Donegal 0-13
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 16, 2008, 10:34:12 PM
QUB 0-16 Antrim 1-11

Reasonable enough game. Kevin Kelly at full forward for Queen's got a couple of decent scores. Paul McComiskey looked dangerous throughout and did well with the frees. Charlie Vernon also had a good game for Queens. Miceal O'Rourke was bright as well. Thought the whole game lacked a bit of intensity to be honest but the better side won I felt. Queens' probably should have had a couple of goals had they been more clinical in front of goal while the Antrim goal probably should have been saved by the keeper.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: the milkman on January 16, 2008, 10:35:22 PM
Anyone got any scores yet ?


You don't want to f**king know!!

Down 5-13 Donegal 0-13


Down 5-14 Donegal 0-13   ;)
Title: Antrim 1-11 0-16 Queen's
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
Antrim 1-11 0-16 Queen's
The students of Queen's University pulled off another win in the McKenna Cup by overturning a half-time deficit to beat Antrim by five points. Conor Murray scored Antrim's goal in the 22nd minute to help put Jody Gormley's side into a 1-7 to 0-7 advantage at the interval.
Murray finished Antrim's top scorer with 1-2 but his side added only four scores in the second half.
Paul McComiskey was top marksman for Queen's with six points.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7193079.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Minister Poots at Newry GAA match
Sports Minister Edwin Poots became the first DUP politician to attend a Gaelic football match in an official capacity at Pairc Esler, Newry, on Wednesday. He was at the McKenna Cup game between Down and Donegal. Mr Poots was welcomed by GAA president Nickey Brennan, director general Liam Mulvihill and Ulster Council president Tom Daly. The invitation to attend a GAA fixture had been accepted when Mr Poots spoke at a GAA conference in October. "This is a landmark occasion in the further development of community relations on the island of Ireland when a Unionist Minister is prepared to attend one of our games," said president Brennan. "For me this highlights the good standing of the Ulster Council who I know have developed an exceptionally positive relationship with Mr Poots. "I am absolutely enthused that the Minister has been so receptive to the role and relevance of the GAA in Ulster and the contribution it makes to sport and communities. "I wish to acknowledge the genuine commitment and professionalism of Edwin Poots in assisting the GAA with our development programmes in Ulster. "I look forward to him taking up my invitation to attend Croke Park for an event in the near future."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7190216.stm

Title: Down discover their shooting Poots
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 10:40:06 PM
Down 5-14 0-13 Donegal
Down are still in with a chance of making the semi-finals of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after a convincing win over Donegal at Pairc Esler. They were 3-7 to 0-7 up at half-time thanks to one goal from Jack Lynch and two from debutant John McAreavey. Ryan Bradley scored five frees in the second half as Donegal battled. But Down got further goals through sub Packie Downey and Danny Hughes and they could go through as best losers if they beat UUJ at Newcastle on Saturday.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7193056.stm
Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 10:49:55 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables   
     


Section A    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                               
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   31   24   1.292
Down   2   1   0   1   2    39   27   1.444
Tyrone   3   1   0   2   2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   3   1   0   2   2     27   30  0.900

Remaining fixture: UUJ v Down at Newcastle
                                 
Section C     Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
QUB   3   2   0   0   4     37   39   0.948
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2     36   32  1.125
Antrim   3   1   0   2   2   31   40   0.755

Cavan, Derry and then two from UUJ, Down and Fermanagh
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 16, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Looks like the Poly and Down will both make it provided that neither beats the other well at the weekend.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:01:57 PM
Looks like the Poly and Down will both make it provided that neither beats the other well at the weekend.

Both will go through if Down win by a small margin. If UUJ win will Fermanagh not go through?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 16, 2008, 11:03:43 PM
Minister Poots at Newry GAA match
Sports Minister Edwin Poots became the first DUP politician to attend a Gaelic football match in an official capacity at Pairc Esler, Newry, on Wednesday...


Credit where it's due, mould-breaking is welcome, and not to be met with universal approbation from the DUP I'd venture. If he'd only loosen up a bit now on the Irish Language...
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 16, 2008, 11:03:57 PM
Quote
Both will go through if Down win by a small margin. If UUJ win will Fermanagh not go through?

Yep your right - sorry read the table wrong.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
Down team tonight:                                     



                                    Bernard Connell Drumgath
Ciarán McGovern Burren       Gary McArdle Annaclone         Martin Cole Rostrevor
Colm Murney Rostrevor        Liam Doyle Liatroim                 Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
                        Dan Gordon Loughisland          Jack Lynch Drumgath
John Fegan Clonduff          Kevin McKernan Burren            Danny Hughes Saval
John Mc Areavey Tullylish    Cathal Magee Mayobridge        Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:25:34 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?


Not sure yet J70 but given the score:

G. Walsh, B. McGowan, M. Gallagher, N. Hegarty, D. Reid, M. Gavigan, J.J. Doherty, A. Molloy, B. Murray, J. McHugh, M. McHugh, J. McMullan, D. Bonner, T. Boyle, M. Boyle. Sub: B. Cunningham

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2008, 11:35:03 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?


Not sure yet J70 but given the score:

G. Walsh, B. McGowan, M. Gallagher, N. Hegarty, D. Reid, M. Gavigan, J.J. Doherty, A. Molloy, B. Murray, J. McHugh, M. McHugh, J. McMullan, D. Bonner, T. Boyle, M. Boyle. Sub: B. Cunningham



Them boys took the odd McKenna Cup hammering too!

How times change though - Barry Cunningham was the only substitute used that day, and he only came on when Brian Murray was injured. I think the Dubs only made one change that day as well - Bealin for Foran.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 17, 2008, 09:49:22 AM
DUP sports minister Poots attends his first GAA game By Barry McCaffrey
17/01/08
DUP culture, arts and leisure minister Edwin Poots last night became the first senior DUP politician to attend a GAA match.
He unexpectedly appeared at a game between Down and Donegal in Newry.
However, he deliberately arrived 10 minutes after the game began to avoid being there while Amhrán na bhFiann (The Soldier’s Song) was played.“I had always indicated that I was not refusing to attend a GAA game – rather, it was a matter of finding a suitable time,” Mr Poots said.
Of the playing of the Irish national anthem, he said: “While I recognise that the GAA has made strong efforts to improve that situation, with the likes of the English rugby team and other sports playing in places like Croke Park, there is still a challenge for them to prove to the Protestant community that things have changed.
“I am attending the game in my role as sports minister but as a unionist I would not feel comfortable standing for The Soldier’s Song.”
GAA president Nickey Brennan des-cribed Mr Poots’s presence as “historic” and said: “This is a landmark occasion in the further development of community relations on the island of Ireland when a unionist minister is prepared to attend one of our games.
“For me this highlights the good standing of the Ulster Council GAA, who I know have developed an exceptionally positive relationship with Mr Poots. I look forward to him taking up my invitation to attend Croke Park for an event in the near future.”
SDLP MLA and lifelong Down fan PJ Bradley said Mr Poots’s attendance was “another positive step”.
“I’d like to ask the minister to come to every game because Down won so well tonight,” he said.

http://www.irishnews.com/page.asp?catid=540&subcatid=5860&sid=577714

When I first heard he was at the match I wondered how he would deal with Amhrán na bhFiann.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: bennydorano on January 17, 2008, 09:54:53 AM
Was at the Queens v Antrim game last night, entertaining game.  Queens, although I wouldn’t say a lot fitter than Antrim, were certainly more organised and had a well thought out gameplan, whereas Antrim seemed to fly by the seat of their pants.  Antrim dominated MF with McGourty & Joe Quinn in good form, although I thought that Queens tried to intentionally bypass MF for most of the game.  The game’s best player was Antrims #11 (McCann?), who looks to be an ideal CHF, but maybe a bit too similar in style to MCGourty, he gave Joe OKane a torrid time in the first half, but to be fair to O’Kane he turned it around a bit in the second half.  Best for Queens, probably Courtney & McComiskey, with hounourable mentions to Aodan Gallgher and Kevin Kelly (who were both strangely/tactically substituted).  I though the AOR/Bernie Murray management combo definitely delivered tactically on the night.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Diet Coke on January 17, 2008, 10:04:25 AM
Was at the Queens v Antrim game last night, entertaining game.  Queens, although I wouldn’t say a lot fitter than Antrim, were certainly more organised and had a well thought out gameplan, whereas Antrim seemed to fly by the seat of their pants.  Antrim dominated MF with McGourty & Joe Quinn in good form, although I thought that Queens tried to intentionally bypass MF for most of the game.  The game’s best player was Antrims #11 (McCann?), who looks to be an ideal CHF, but maybe a bit too similar in style to MCGourty, he gave Joe OKane a torrid time in the first half, but to be fair to O’Kane he turned it around a bit in the second half.  Best for Queens, probably Courtney & McComiskey, with hounourable mentions to Aodan Gallgher and Kevin Kelly (who were both strangely/tactically substituted).  I though the AOR/Bernie Murray management combo definitely delivered tactically on the night.

Now he wouldn't be a relative would he? ;)
Definately think he will get a call up to the county as we desperately need scoring forwards and he has a swet left foot, as for you Benny you have only a sweet tooth! ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 17, 2008, 01:45:51 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?

Donegal go Down to Mournemen
17 January 2008


Down moved within one win of a Dr. McKenna Cup semi-final after cruising to an emphatic 5-14 to 0-13 win over an experimental Donegal at Newry.

Three goals in the first half and two more in the second sealed Down’s win and served to propel the Tir Chonaill men out of the competition. A blistering start by the home side saw them lead by 0-4 to 0-1 after just ten minutes of play.

Things got even better for Down thereafter with Jack Lynch running straight through a stationery Donegal defence to smack the ball into the net.

Down’s second goal was scored by debutant John McAveavey and so was the third after being set up in each instance by Ronan Sexton.

Donegal only threatened Down’s goal intermittently but a string of points from the accurate Kevin McMenamin and substitute Colm McFadden did help them cut the deficit to 0-7 to 3-7 at half-time.

Down were reduced to 14 men four minutes after the restart with McKernan getting his second yellow card, and scores from McFadden and Ryan Bradley had Donegal within seven points. However, points from McAveavey, Lynch, Daniel Hughes and Sexton consolidated Down’s healthy advantage. Donegal’s inexperience was showing at that stage with Bradley (who notched five second half frees) keeping them ticking over.

The hosts finished with a flourish and late goals from Packie Downey and Daniel Hughes added salt into Donegal’s gaping wound.

Down - B Connell, C McGovern, G McArdle, M Cole, C Murney, L Doyle, K McGuigan, D Gordan 0-1, J Lynch 1-2, J Fegan 0-1, K McKernan 0-1, D Hughes 1-4, J McAreavey 2-3, C Magee 0-1, R Sexton 0-1. Subs - R Murtagh for Doyle, P Downey 1-0 for C Magee, P Turley for Lynch, J Clarke for J McAreavey, D O’Hanlon for Cole.

Donegal - M Boyle, M Maguire, M McGee, M McGowan, C Byrne, E Magee, S McGowan, J Freil, K Cassidy, D Waslh, F MgGlynn, O Doherty, Kevin McMenamin 0-5, R Bradley 0-5, J McLoone. Subs - S McHugh for Byrne, C McFadden 0-2 for M Maguire, K Rafferty for Freil, D Langan for O Doherty, D Boyle for McMenamin.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87849
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2008, 11:54:27 AM
Gordon is the new senior team captain
17 January 2008


Dan Gordon the experienced Loughinisland clubman has been selected as the new Down senior football team captain for the coming season.

Gordon has been a regular midfielder on the Mourne side for the past number of years, and is rated as one of the best midfielders in the game at the present time.

An Ulster interprovincial player, Gordon is very honoured to be appointed captain of his native county, and is hoping to play a leading role in getting the team to compete for major honours in the coming months in both league and championship.

Dan’s first competitive game as team-captain was a recent Dr. McKenna Cup clash against Tyrone in Healy Park, Omagh - a game that the Mourne side lost despite matched the home side in everything but the scoreboard. However, he had better luck in his second outing with the county squad on Wednesday night, 16th of January when the Down side under manager Ross Carr went on a scoring spree and easily defeated Donegal in the second round of the Dr. McKenna Cup at the Pairc Esler, Newry venue under lights - notching up an impressive 5-14 into the bargain. This win puts the Down side right back into contention in the race for McKenna Cup honours again.

The leading question now is can Dan lead his inexperienced Down side to McKenna Cup honours in 2008 - it would be a great start to his captaincy, and a tremendous boost to Down football ahead of what is expected to be a very tough and interesting league and championship season.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87892
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Uladh on January 18, 2008, 12:01:14 PM

never kickt a ball  - Do the Ulster council consider it part of your work time to be posting up all this info?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2008, 12:18:47 PM

never kickt a ball  - Do the Ulster council consider it part of your work time to be posting up all this info?

Yes I know. I just have an affinity for the competition. I know it's sad but sure what the hell.
Title: Down v UUJ fixture moves to Newry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
Down v UUJ fixture moves to Newry
The venue for Saturday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup match between Down and UUJ has been switched from Newcastle to Newry (1800 GMT). Down still have a chance of making the semi-finals after a convincing win over Donegal at Pairc Esler on Wednesday. The Mourne men will qualify for the last four if they see off the students. The semi-finals of the competition will take place on Tuesday 22 January and Wednesday 23 January with the final being staged on Saturday 26 January.
Derry will face Fermanagh, UUJ or Down in one semi-final and Cavan play UUJ or Down in the other.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7196554.stm
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 12:56:50 AM
The UUJ team for Down game:

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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Tyrones own on January 19, 2008, 01:08:31 AM

 WTF ::)   :-[
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: ExiledGael on January 19, 2008, 11:54:48 AM
Good christ!

So where are we now. Paddy Heaney says on the back page that if Down beat UUJ by more than a point then Fermanagh go through to semis. If UUJ win then Fermanagh are also through I think?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 12:54:15 PM
Good christ!

So where are we now. Paddy Heaney says on the back page that if Down beat UUJ by more than a point then Fermanagh go through to semis. If UUJ win then Fermanagh are also through I think?

Yes that appears to be it. A win for UUJ and a draw and Fermanagh go through. An if Down win well Fermanagh go through.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 19, 2008, 06:30:53 PM
Latest score lads?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008 No five in a row for Tyrone?
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
Down won 1-15 to 0-15

Down and Fermanagh through
Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Final Tables
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 07:48:43 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Final Tables   
     


Section A    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                               
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Down   2   1   0   1   4    57   42  1.357
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   46   42   1.095
Tyrone   3   1   0   2   2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   3   1   0   2   2     27   30  0.900

                                 
Section C     Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
QUB   3   2   0   0   4     37   39   0.948
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2     36   32  1.125
Antrim   3   1   0   2   2   31   40   0.755

Semi Finals

The first semi-final is on Tuesday at Newry on Tuesday, 22 January when Cavan play Down at 2000GMT.

On Wednesday Derry face Fermanagh at Omagh (2000GMT).

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: 118cmal on January 20, 2008, 10:17:51 AM
Fermanagh to send out a pretty much full strength side against an experimental derry team should see fermanagh through to the final where they will beat close neighbours cavan in a tight game.

This will springboard the wee county to promotion in the National league and an ulster final appearance.

Am I in dreamland?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: FermPundit on January 20, 2008, 10:33:54 AM
Fermanagh to send out a pretty much full strength side against an experimental derry team should see fermanagh through to the final where they will beat close neighbours cavan in a tight game.

This will springboard the wee county to promotion in the National league and an ulster final appearance.

Am I in dreamland?

Don't be getting too carried away!!

I'm not sure what side Fermanagh will put out on Wednesday night but I guess it'll be pretty decent but not completely full strength. I'm sure O'Rourke will remian loyal to the guys that have played in the group stages.

Whilist I'd be pleased to see us progress to a McKenna cup final I woudn't want expectations to be raised so early on in the year. If it raises confidence among the squad then that's a positive thing but it's only the McKenna cup and there's a tough division 3 NFL campaign ahead just around the corner!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Caitlin on January 20, 2008, 10:36:52 AM
Lakeland is dreamland.Down to beat Derry by 2 points at a baltic Casement Park.Dan Gordon takes Mc Kenna home for first time in 10 years.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: southdown on January 20, 2008, 10:48:04 AM
Dont get carried away Caitlin, Cavan are a boggy team for Down.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: inisceithleann on January 20, 2008, 02:56:32 PM
We'll definitely still put out a young enough team on Wednesday. As the other ernemen have said it's all about preparing for the NFL and Championship. Winning the McKenna Cup and still being out of everything by July would still be another disappointing season.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 20, 2008, 05:47:06 PM
Armagh the worst team in the competition  :(
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on January 20, 2008, 07:54:30 PM
Mr McDonnell hasnt dun anything to be prod of yet and if he doesnt get it sorted out soon well be in a mess whne it comes to the league. Wats his best team. he doesnt no yret and he needs to no that v soon or else were stuffed. I dont think were the worset team in the Mckenna cup but i think we might have put out a weaken team to fool everybody. THAT WAS RONG!! Mr McDonnell culd be good but he needs sum one to help him get the best out of his player. i think geezer shold come back an help hiom as his no 2. He nose the players in the dressin room and that inportent.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: orangeman on January 20, 2008, 08:19:18 PM
Jinxy you're right ! He is drunk !!!!!!!!!!!  :D :D :D ;) ;) :o ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: cavanmaniac on January 20, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Mr McDonnell hasnt dun anything to be prod of yet and if he doesnt get it sorted out soon well be in a mess whne it comes to the league. Wats his best team. he doesnt no yret and he needs to no that v soon or else were stuffed. I dont think were the worset team in the Mckenna cup but i think we might have put out a weaken team to fool everybody. THAT WAS RONG!! Mr McDonnell culd be good but he needs sum one to help him get the best out of his player. i think geezer shold come back an help hiom as his no 2. He nose the players in the dressin room and that inportent.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2008, 10:10:57 PM
Ban him!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: orangeman on January 20, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
For life !!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: gerry on January 20, 2008, 11:22:05 PM
Quote
Winning the McKenna Cup and still being out of everything by July would still be another disappointing season.

how can you say that. i think that winning the mc kenna cup would be a great boost for fermanagh and their supporters.  its being a long time since fermanagh being at a final.

Btw, it will be all over by july along with many other counties
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Bacon on January 21, 2008, 08:36:14 AM
Good to see Down making a wee bit of progress. Two wins in the McKenna Cup in January is nothing to get carried away with but it's still progress for a county that has been performing so poorly recently. Let's hope it gives us a lift going into the league.
Title: Down at home to Cavan
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 22, 2008, 12:22:07 AM
Down at home to Cavan
21 January 2008


Old rivals Cavan and Down clash for a place in the final of this season’s Dr. McKenna Cup when the sides meet in Pairc Esler, Newry on Tuesday, 22nd of January at 8pm. Despite being a mid-week game the match is sure to attract a big attendance to the newly-refurbished Newry venue. The teams will be going all-out for a place in the final against either Derry or Fermanagh who meet in the second semi-final the following night (Wednesday), 23rd of January at Healy Park in Omagh also at 8pm.

Down go into Tuesday nights game on the back of two very impressive wins over Donegal and UUJ - both games played at the Newry venue - and no doubt, they will be hoping for a hat-trick of victories against a Cavan side who reserved their best form in the competition at home with wins over Monaghan and Queen’s in Kingspan/Breffni Park. They went under to Antrim in a close second round game at Casement Park - a match they almost got something from in the dying minutes.

Down after a sun holiday break opened their McKenna Cup campaign away to Tyrone in Healy Park, Omagh and despite matching the home side in most facets of play went down in the end due to a cutting edge in their play in front of goal.

To their credit they ’turned it around’ in tremendous fashion in their last two games at Newry outscoring Donegal and scoring five goals into the bargain, while in the clash with a strong UUJ side they put up an impressive 1-15 total, while conceding 0-14.

Cavan will be the fresher side going into the game on Tuesday evening, as Down have played three games in a short space of time - and physically that may come against them on this occasion. However, they have the advantage of playing at home - and it does mean a lot. They seem to be getting a settled side into the bargain.

Manager Ross Carr is delighted with the way his side have played in the competition. "We started the competition below-par away to Tyrone. However, to the credit of the players they ’turned it around’ and now they are playing with a lot of confidence. However, the game with Cavan is another big test for what is basically a young and untried side. We are expecting another close battle, and hopefully, we can do ourselves justice on the evening.’’

The Cavan side showed plenty of character and determination when defeating Queen’s in deplorable weather conditions last time out in Kingspan/Breffni Park. On that occasion a number of the new players showed up well. It is expected that a few of the more experienced players may be available for to-morrow night in Newry - a game that has all the makings of an interesting clash between two sides who like to play open football.
Down with home advantage will start slight favourites. However, Cavan sides down the years have always reserved their best form for clashes with the Mourne county. Hopefully, this will be the case on Tuesday night.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=88032

How come Down got home advantage in this match?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 22, 2008, 04:56:46 PM
Given that when Down played UUJ no radio station was interested you might get some commentary from a Cavan perspective from this crowd:

http://northernsound.ie/listen.php

Any special guests in Newry tonight? Paisley, Bush, Clinton.........?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: wobbller on January 22, 2008, 05:04:35 PM
 The crowd itself. :D :D :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Caitlin on January 22, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
NKAB
There was commentary on the Down-UUJ game provided by Jack Devaney and Jerry Quinn- good it was too.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 06:16:40 PM
Cant seem to get any odds on the match tonight? Ragin wanted to stick a bit on Down! I suppose I could make up my own price but there's no fun in that!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 06:25:12 PM
NKAB
There was commentary on the Down-UUJ game provided by Jack Devaney and Jerry Quinn- good it was too.

Would that be available over the internet? Five or something is it?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: amallon on January 22, 2008, 07:10:32 PM
You will get the match here:

http://www.fivefm.co.uk/

You need to Download the Orban plug in first to enable you to listen.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on January 22, 2008, 10:01:28 PM
Down bate Cavan by a pt. look to see them all tryin 2 get tickets for the final! all the bandwagon.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 10:13:20 PM
Bitter Armagh4Sam again? Youse would love to be in that final, some record though 0 for 3
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on January 22, 2008, 10:19:33 PM
we got a drawin are last game
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2008, 10:49:08 PM
we got a drawin are last game
I'm sure you meant in our last game; and it was 0 wins in 3 games.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Doire abú on January 23, 2008, 12:13:47 AM
Where's the final at anyway?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 23, 2008, 12:30:43 AM
Where's the final at anyway?


Depends on the result of the other game. Could be in Newry, Omagh, Celtic Park or Casement. 
Title: Down qualify for McKenna decider
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 23, 2008, 12:36:22 AM
Down qualify for McKenna decider
An late point from Danny Hughes helped Down beat Cavan 1-16 to 2-12 in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-final.
Down led 0-4 to 0-1 early on but Cavan were level (0-9 to 0-9) by the break.

Barry Watters' goal put Cavan three up but they had Mark McKeever sent off and Down got quickly on terms only for them to have sub Colm Murney dismissed.

Danny Hughes' goal helped Down move three ahead but John McCutcheon's goal levelled late on before he was sent off and Hughes then struck the winner.


The Mourne County will face either Fermanagh or Derry in Saturday's final.

Derry take on the Erne County in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh (2000 GMT).

Kevin McKernan (two), John Fegan and Cathal Magee were on target for Down early on as they forged a 0-4 to 0-1 lead.

However, Michael Brides, Eddie Reilly and Gerard Pierson hit the next three scores as Cavan levelled.

Down did move two ahead again in the second quarter but two Finbarr O'Reilly frees before the break brought the sides level.


 606: DEBATE 

Cavan looked to have struck a crucial blow when Watters slammed in his team's first goal six minutes into the second half.

However, almost immediately Cavan midfielder Mark McKeever received a straight red card after an off-the-ball incident and Down used their man advantage to reply with three quick scores to level.

Down sub Colm Murney was sent off after getting his second yellow card on 55 minutes.

Finbarr O'Reilly's point edged Cavan ahead again inside the final 10 minutes but Danny Hughes' 65th-minute goal put Down 1-14 to 1-12 ahead.

Cathal Magee's third point extended Down's lead to three but John McCutcheon then levelled for Cavan when he scrambled in his team's second goal.

McCutcheon's goal was his final involvement in the game as he received his second caution in the dying seconds of the contest to leave Cavan with only 13 players.

Hughes supplied the winner to put Down in the final.

John Fegan finished with five points for Down while Hughes contributed 1-2.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7203800.stm

Looks like home advantage swung it for Down
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: orangeman on January 23, 2008, 12:36:52 AM
UTV have fairly got their act together - on the 10.30 news they had a pile of clips and the presenter was so enthusiastic when giving the report !!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: amallon on January 23, 2008, 09:02:39 AM
never kickt a ball - It would be great to have the final in Newry but it would very unfair to either Derry or Fermanagh.  I would imagine it would have to be played at a neutral venue.  If its Derry in the final it will be Casement, if its Fermanagh it would be Omagh.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 23, 2008, 10:39:11 AM
never kickt a ball - It would be great to have the final in Newry but it would very unfair to either Derry or Fermanagh.  I would imagine it would have to be played at a neutral venue.  If its Derry in the final it will be Casement, if its Fermanagh it would be Omagh.

The McKenna Cup is funny when it comes to venues. Most teams' are fairly relaxed about venues in this competition. Last year the final was held in Omagh between Tyrone and Donegal. Donegal had the later National League game in mind and wanted a run out under lights in Omagh in preparation. This followed the earlier final between the two counties in Ballybofey when Cormac McAnnallen lifted the cup. So I wouldn't rule out home venue for any team if both teams can agree the venue.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: amallon on January 23, 2008, 10:52:10 AM
Here's hoping for a Newry final then so! 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Doire abú on January 23, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
If only Armagh had got their act together, the Athletic Grounds wolud've been ideal.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 23, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
ITV wasn't that good orangeman, they only had clips from the first half! But I suppose its a step forward at least.

Plus a4sa when I said 0 for 3, I was talking about wins obviously.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 23, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
Derry V Fermanagh tonight at Healy Park. Like all Tyrone people I'll be hoping for both of them to lose.  :D :D  Seriously though it has to be Derry. (Everybody get on Fermanagh!!!)
Title: McKenna Cup Final 2008: Down V Derry
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on January 23, 2008, 10:07:07 PM

Derry progress to McKenna final
Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: Maguire01 on January 23, 2008, 10:17:03 PM
Final in Casement or Omagh then, i'd guess.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: orangeman on January 23, 2008, 10:28:26 PM
5 points is a fair edge !  :)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Down or Cavan or Derry or Fermanagh
Post by: slow corner back on January 23, 2008, 11:11:35 PM
The Final is on Saturday at 7.30pm in Casement.
Will Casement be playable, it was unplayable last Sunday?
Title: Derry progress to McKenna final
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
Derry progress to McKenna final Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.
Amazingly, all Derry's scores came from play including their goals from Colin Devlin and Sean Leo McGoldrick.

Devlin's goal helped Derry lead 1-6 to 0-5 at the interval.

Sean Doherty's goal helped Fermanagh take the lead but McGoldrick's goal, after a Paddy Bradley pass, turned the game in Derry's favour again.

Matthew Keenan's accuracy from free kicks kept the Erne men in touch early on, and with 24 minutes played, they were just a point adrift at 0-5 to 0-4.
But Devlin's superb goal gave Derry some breathing space on 27 minutes.

He picked up possession 45 metres out on the left before sprinting through to blast past Chris Breen.


Paddy Bradley managed just one point in the opening half, off his less favoured right foot, late in the half, to send the Oak Leafers in with a 1-6 to 0-5 advantage.

McGoldrick stretched the lead within 15 seconds of the restart, but just two minutes later, the Erne men did get the goal they had been threatening and probably deserved with Doherty supplying the finish.

It was a remarkable response from Malachy O'Rourke's charges, who in the space of seven minutes went from five points behind to a point in front.

Mark Little levelled from a free, before Maguire sliced over the lead point, but Derry were soon level again with a typical Paddy Bradley effort, effortlessly floated between the posts from the left wing.

And Bradley turned creator for Derry's second goal, crossing from the left for McGoldrick to net from close range 15 minutes into the half after substitutes Paul Murphy and Enda Lynn had combined impressively.

The goal turned the game in Derry's favour again and they went on to set up a decider against Down at Casement Park on Saturday evening (1930 GMT).

Derry : B Gillis, K McGuckin, L Hinphey, F McEldowney, M McBride (0-1), J Keenan, P O'Hea, J Conway (0-2), M Friel, A McElhone, C O'Kane (0-1), R Wilkinson, C Devlin (1-1), P Bradley (0-4), S McGoldrick (1-1). Subs: P Murphy for Friel, E Lynn (0-1) for O'Kane, D McBride for O'Hea, F Doherty (0-1) for McElhone, R Kealy for Wilkinson.


Fermanagh : C Breen, S Goan, P Mohan, D O'Reilly, T McElroy, S McDermott, D Kelly (0-1), M McGrath, M Murphy, M Little (0-2, 2 frees), S Doherty (1-2), C McElroy, P Cadden, M Keenan (0-3, 3 frees), E Maguire (0-1). Subs: P Sherry for O'Reilly, R Johnston for T McElroy, R Keenan (0-1) for C McElroy, C Boyle for Keenan, B Mulrone for Doherty.

Referee : M Sludden (Dromore).
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7206016.stm

See they give the ref's club rather than his County.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on January 24, 2008, 11:11:48 AM
When will they tell where the final will be played?
Title: Re: Derry progress to McKenna final
Post by: screenexile on January 24, 2008, 12:47:52 PM
Derry progress to McKenna final Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.
Amazingly, all Derry's scores came from play including their goals from Colin Devlin and Sean Leo McGoldrick.

Devlin's goal helped Derry lead 1-6 to 0-5 at the interval.

Sean Doherty's goal helped Fermanagh take the lead but McGoldrick's goal, after a Paddy Bradley pass, turned the game in Derry's favour again.

Matthew Keenan's accuracy from free kicks kept the Erne men in touch early on, and with 24 minutes played, they were just a point adrift at 0-5 to 0-4.
But Devlin's superb goal gave Derry some breathing space on 27 minutes.

He picked up possession 45 metres out on the left before sprinting through to blast past Chris Breen.


Paddy Bradley managed just one point in the opening half, off his less favoured right foot, late in the half, to send the Oak Leafers in with a 1-6 to 0-5 advantage.

McGoldrick stretched the lead within 15 seconds of the restart, but just two minutes later, the Erne men did get the goal they had been threatening and probably deserved with Doherty supplying the finish.

It was a remarkable response from Malachy O'Rourke's charges, who in the space of seven minutes went from five points behind to a point in front.

Mark Little levelled from a free, before Maguire sliced over the lead point, but Derry were soon level again with a typical Paddy Bradley effort, effortlessly floated between the posts from the left wing.

And Bradley turned creator for Derry's second goal, crossing from the left for McGoldrick to net from close range 15 minutes into the half after substitutes Paul Murphy and Enda Lynn had combined impressively.

The goal turned the game in Derry's favour again and they went on to set up a decider against Down at Casement Park on Saturday evening (1930 GMT).


Derry : B Gillis, K McGuckin, L Hinphey, F McEldowney, M McBride (0-1), J Keenan, P O'Hea, J Conway (0-2), M Friel, A McElhone, C O'Kane (0-1), R Wilkinson, C Devlin (1-1), P Bradley (0-4), S McGoldrick (1-1). Subs: P Murphy for Friel, E Lynn (0-1) for O'Kane, D McBride for O'Hea, F Doherty (0-1) for McElhone, R Kealy for Wilkinson.


Fermanagh : C Breen, S Goan, P Mohan, D O'Reilly, T McElroy, S McDermott, D Kelly (0-1), M McGrath, M Murphy, M Little (0-2, 2 frees), S Doherty (1-2), C McElroy, P Cadden, M Keenan (0-3, 3 frees), E Maguire (0-1). Subs: P Sherry for O'Reilly, R Johnston for T McElroy, R Keenan (0-1) for C McElroy, C Boyle for Keenan, B Mulrone for Doherty.

Referee : M Sludden (Dromore).
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7206016.stm

See they give the ref's club rather than his County.

Read much ;)
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: el Chino on January 24, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
Great that all the scores came from play last nite!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 01:58:46 PM
Great that all the scores came from play last nite!

You mean Derry's scores were all from play.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 02:02:58 PM
Derry are lookng good this year and are bound to be worth a few £ at a big price for Ulster ??
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 02:34:26 PM
Carr disgusted with McHugh's comments Gaelic Games
By Brendan Crossan
24/01/08

DOWN manager Ross Carr has slammed GAA media pundit Martin McHugh for painting a gloomy picture of the Mournemen in 2008.

In a newspaper column, McHugh argued Down had gone "backwards" after watching them lose to Tyrone in the Dr McKenna Cup earlier this month. And with Benny Coulter in their ranks, the 1992 All-Ireland winner also suggested the Mournemen were merely a one-man team.

McHugh stood by his comments yesterday - but Carr insisted the former Donegal player's views were totally unjustified and that the GAA columnist was suffering from "the Eamonn Dunphy syndrome".

"Unless you're confrontational [in the media], then you're no good," blasted Carr.

"On television, some former players have been very quick to ridicule Down football. I think it's jealousy because they seem to love getting a dig at Down.

"McHugh said after the McKenna Cup game against Tyrone that Down are going backwards and that they're a one-man team - all they have is Benny Coulter. To say that in the first or second week of January is ludicrous."

The Down boss, who won All-Ireland titles in 1991 and 1994, accused McHugh of glorifying his own playing era and castigating the standards of the modern game.

"We're getting into a situation now where pundits are saying: 'they were never as good as when we played'," Carr said.

"I find it amazing how quick they [pundits] are to judge a young fella's career. Based on what? A lot of guys who play the game are very much of the same ability. There are exceptions to the rule.

"There is maybe around 10 or 15 per cent of inter-county footballers who are above everybody else. They are the likes of Oisin McConville, Tomas O Se and Paddy Bradley - they are class acts. But everybody else isn't far away from each other in terms of talent.

"I played with players who were much more talented than me and I played against fellas in Down club football who were more gifted than me. I just happened to come along at a lucky time.

"Martin McHugh was a very good footballer, but he was very lucky to come along at a time when Donegal won an All-Ireland.

"What we're trying to do is put together a squad who will do their best on and off the pitch for Down football. No-one knows where that will take us."

Following their opening McKenna Cup defeat to the Red Hands, Down have reached the final by beating Donegal, UUJ and Cavan.

"What we've found out is not an answer to football ability, we've found out that these boys really want to play for Down," said Carr.

Yesterday, McHugh reiterated his stance. He said: "The game is all about opinions. I was very disappointed with Down against a Tyrone third string. They also beat UUJ and Donegal shadow sides. I don't like what I see in Down and I believe they have gone backwards."

McHugh added: "I don't like saying these things about Down football because when I played they were everybody's benchmark, and there would be nobody happier than me to see them improve. After all, they were the team who won two All-Irelands in the early '90s while Derry and Donegal managed only one title apiece."

Carr argued that the modern-day player who is prepared to meet the exceptional demands of the inter-county game should not have to endure "unjustified" criticism.

The Clonduff clubman said: "These boys give selflessly of their time whether it be for 12 months or five years. For that period of time they say: 'this is my life'.

"When it comes to the end of that period of time where they've given everything, their fall from grace is so sudden. Players who have won Ulster Championships or All-Irelands become very ordinary players after a season or two, not because they're bad or ordinary, they just lose that drive."
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/2008/1/597/5776/578371_334513012642Carrdisgu.html

Well that's the motivation sorted for Down. They must be certain to beat Derry now in the final.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 02:36:07 PM
Wee Martin's just trying to stir the pot, be contreversial and sell newspapers !
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
These areticles shouldn't be taken too seriously - I thought Ross would have known better - I know he's on a good run alright but he should keep his powder dry.........
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: donelli on January 24, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
Derry are lookng good this year and are bound to be worth a few £ at a big price for Ulster ??

I agree. I reckon they will oercome donegal and get revenge over Monaghan for last years defeat.
A final place against Tyrone i predict. And who knows , but Derry could just do it.

Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 02:54:38 PM
These areticles shouldn't be taken too seriously - I thought Ross would have known better - I know he's on a good run alright but he should keep his powder dry.........

Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 24, 2008, 03:27:47 PM



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Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
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Never kicked a ball  you are totally rippin the ass out of the Car metaphor :D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 04:38:55 PM
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Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
Never kicked a ball  you are totally rippin the ass out of the Car metaphor :D

There was a thread last year about the headlines the newspapers could use for Carr and Down such as "Down's Carr crash out" etc. I don't think that will happen especially after their recent MOT in Spain.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: hardstation on January 24, 2008, 05:33:32 PM
I'll let any of ye buy me a pint on Saturday. ;D
Title: Down v Cavan at Newry:
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 05:34:29 PM
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 09:52:47 PM
Quite amazingly I notice a report from last night's semi-final in today's Newsletter!!? When the hell did all this start?
I know we've seen a lot of momentous occassions in the last few years up north, but this is incredible!
Title: Re: Down v Cavan at Newry:
Post by: Leo on January 24, 2008, 11:17:41 PM
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx

Once again the TV camera is positioned in the stand showing an almost empty terrace opposite. The GAA piss me off with this lazy attitude to presentation. UTV, TG4 or anybody else should be told that their rights to coverage are subject to getting the best presentation - so the large attendance in the stand should be the backdrop.
A special TV gantry has been built into the Town Terrace at Elser for this very purpose but these buggers dont want to use it for selfish reasons. The game belongs to the GAA and they need to start calling the shots.
Hacked off big time as I have been harping on about this for years.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 11:22:31 PM
Quite amazingly I notice a report from last night's semi-final in today's Newsletter!!? When the hell did all this start?
I know we've seen a lot of momentous occassions in the last few years up north, but this is incredible!

Also a full page spread on Armagh ladies captain Bronagh O'Donnell. Times are a changin
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 11:27:31 PM
Jesus just noticed that too. Stunned.
Title: Re: Down v Cavan at Newry:
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 11:34:08 PM
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx

Once again the TV camera is positioned in the stand showing an almost empty terrace opposite. The GAA piss me off with this lazy attitude to presentation. UTV, TG4 or anybody else should be told that their rights to coverage are subject to getting the best presentation - so the large attendance in the stand should be the backdrop.
A special TV gantry has been built into the Town Terrace at Elser for this very purpose but these buggers dont want to use it for selfish reasons. The game belongs to the GAA and they need to start calling the shots.
Hacked off big time as I have been harping on about this for years.

UTV coverage of the Derry V Fermanagh match on following. Fast forward to the second page and then fast forward to 4:50 mins:

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080124-hi.asx


Looks like there is no one at this match either whereas there was over 2000 at it
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
Cameras all lined up at the back of the stand beside press box. Looks like a good enough facility on the opposite side of the firld in Omagh.
IF they had any interest in the real promotion of our games, or IF the GAA would use their brains and order them to do so, it would surely have been possible to film from that side of the ground and show the few thousand that attended as well.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 11:52:15 PM

I could not agree with you all any more re TV shots excluding the crowds.  I have been whinging about that for years!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Leo on January 25, 2008, 10:01:08 AM
Cameras all lined up at the back of the stand beside press box. Looks like a good enough facility on the opposite side of the firld in Omagh.
IF they had any interest in the real promotion of our games, or IF the GAA would use their brains and order them to do so, it would surely have been possible to film from that side of the ground and show the few thousand that attended as well.

I wrote to TG4 about this lat year and got a wooly reply about resources etc.
Three recet games at Esler Park where the purpose built gantry opposite the stand is has power, ducting etc in place - unused because aan amateur camera crew want to be beside their mates from the print media in the press box.
My main point is that the GAA are at fault.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Blacksheep on January 25, 2008, 10:36:50 AM
Is the McKenna final on live and if so which channel please? I can't get setanta Ireland so hopefully it's on TG4.

There's no way I'm going to Belfast on a Saturday night for a mis-matched friendly like this. Derry to win by at least 8 pts.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2008, 10:42:29 AM
Saturday: TG4
19:15 - 21:15
UTC GAA Beo
Craoladh beo ar Chluiche Ceannais Chorn Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna. Á chur i láthair ag Micheál Ó Domhnaill agus tráchtaireacht le Brian Tyers.
Live coverage of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Football Final. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Brian Tyers.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Blacksheep on January 25, 2008, 10:44:46 AM
Great! I can watch it in the local before heading out.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Don on January 25, 2008, 11:12:12 AM
where is this game on ???
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: western exile on January 25, 2008, 11:16:17 AM
Roger Casement Park, Belfast.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: armaghniac on January 25, 2008, 12:04:52 PM
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Roger Casement Park, Belfast.

Which is in Andersonstown.

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Also a full page spread on Armagh ladies captain Bronagh O'Donnell. Times are a changin

No doubt an attempt by the Newsletter to promote sales in and around Cross', which isn't presently one of their main markets!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2008, 07:13:42 PM
Derry v Down
Down manager Ross Carr says winning the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup would be a massive boost for the county.
Carr's side edged out Cavan in an exciting semi-final at Pairc Esler on Tuesday night and now face Derry in Saturday's final at Casement Park.

"The fellows showed they really wanted to get to the final and it is a reward for the hard work they have put in over the last few months," said Carr.

"To win would be huge. Down have had a barren number of years."

Derry reached the decider by beating Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 at Omagh on Wednesday.

Like Carr, Derry manager Paddy Crozier has been using the McKenna Cup to assess players pushing for places ahead of the National League campaign.

Both, though, want to go into the season on a winning run and a piece of silverware in the cabinet.

Saturday's final has a 1930GMT throw-in.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7209878.stm

Derry just had too much fire power for Fermanagh, who played well, on Wednesday. Down may be the fresher for this game. Should be an intriguing contest but I fancy Down for the honours.
By the way Hardstation, in order to buy you a drink do you have to get past them gentile, well behaved stewards at Casement Park?  :o
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: red hander on January 25, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: western exile on January 25, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this

Good to see that there is at least one Tyrone person still with an interest in the 2008 McKenna Cup!  ;D
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2008, 08:20:13 PM
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this

Good to see that there is at least one Tyrone person still with an interest in the 2008 McKenna Cup!  ;D

Make that two Tyrone men  :D :D :D:

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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
Maybe three - is this the McKenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Patrick_McKenna) it's named after?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: southdown on January 26, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
Taken from www.irishnews.com

Down to edge final Dr McKenna Cup final: Derry v Down (tonight, Casement Park, 7.30pm, live on TG4)
By Paddy Heaney


AN Ulster final and Tyrone nor Armagh are nowhere in sight. It might just be a sign of the summer that lies ahead.

It's possible that Derry and Down could meet in the Ulster SFC final on July 20. Considering Tyrone's continued struggles with injuries and retirements, and with Armagh's future unsure - there is room for a new force to emerge. This evening's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup final in Casement Park will provide some indication of which county is best placed to step into that void.

When the issue has been decided, the losing manager will immediately insist that winning the McKenna Cup was never part of his grand plan. Such statements can be expected and understood.

But make no mistake, this is a final, and no manager, team nor player worth their salt is ambivalent about the outcome of such a game.

Even the finals of club carnivals that are played under the hazy sunshine of a summer evening are fiercely contested.

Neither the team captain of Down (Dan Gordon) nor Kevin McCloy (Derry) started in the midweek semi-final game, but both are expected to line out tonight.

Both Ross Carr and Paddy Crozier will welcome their inclusion. Down struggled at centrefield against Cavan, while Derry's defence endured some shaky moments against Fermanagh, (both Liam Hinphey and Francis McEldowney played despite being dosed with the cold).

The bookies are confident that Kevin McCloy will be the first non-Tyrone man to receive the Cup since 2002. Derry are 4/7 favourites while Down are 7/4.

More than a few punters will be tempted to wager a few shillings on this resurgent Down outfit that has lifted the long-suffering Mourne supporters out of their misery.

Many Down fans are preaching caution while speculating with wild enthusiasm at the same time. After last season, when they failed to win a game in the Dr McKenna Cup and the League, their newfound fervour is entirely understandable.

Five goals against Donegal. Three victories on the trot. Many factors lie behind the recent upturn in fortunes. Senior players have been revitalised after being switched to new positions. John Clarke has been a revelation in the forward line, scoring six points in his last two outings. Liam Doyle has looked the part at centre half-back.

And there are the new players. Ciaran McGovern, Gary McArdle, John Fegan, Kevin McKernan and Colm Murney have all registered heartening displays.

And while Down are the outsiders, they should be much fitter than Derry. Ross Carr's men have been in hard training since October. They spent one weekend in Annaclone GAA club, staying overnight in the hall in sleeping bags before training early the next morning. During their trip to Portugal, they trained three times a day. Paddy Crozier's men didn't return to collective training until mid-December. Even then, a few experienced players were granted extra time off.

Down are preparing for a pressure-ridden Division Three campaign. The two teams relegated from Division Three will lose their place in the qualifiers and automatically enter the Tommy Murphy Cup. There is less at stake for Paddy Crozier in the League. He will want to maintain Division One status, but his plan will be to choreograph Derry's run so they peak against Donegal on June 1.

Bearing in mind the context with which both teams are entering this final, Down represent a shrewd bet. They will view this game as perfect preparation for the must-win games that await them in the NFL.

Derry may hold an advantage in terms of individual talent, but Down's superior fitness levels and will-to-win could cause a shock for the bookmakers.




Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 05:57:47 PM
Ross Carr's men have been in hard training since October. They spent one weekend in Annaclone GAA club, staying overnight in the hall in sleeping bags before training early the next morning.

If Down are successful this year everyone will  be at it. Then O'Neills will get into the act and sell sleeping bags while some teams' will go on to have initialled sleeping bags, You know MH or BMI etc. Every GAA Club will be in the market to rent out their halls to County  teams......
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 07:03:03 PM
Anybody know if this match is on the wireless tonight.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Rav67 on January 26, 2008, 07:10:54 PM
Anybody know if this match is on the wireless tonight.

http://www.tg4.tv/

I think you can actually watch it online via this link, thats what I'm hoping anyway. 
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
Sorry Rav I meant the radio as it does my nut listening to TG4, I was hoping to stream some commentary ás Béarla so I can get the whole interactive experience.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Maguire01 on January 26, 2008, 07:25:47 PM
Anyone else not getting TG4 on virginmedia up north?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: J70 on January 26, 2008, 07:26:02 PM
The problem with streaming two different sources is that they may not be in sync.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: J70 on January 26, 2008, 07:26:29 PM
Its coming through loud and clear in NYC!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Maguire01 on January 26, 2008, 07:27:50 PM
I'm talking about TG4 TV, not web.  I've got a black screen - every other channel is working fine. Typical.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 07:30:46 PM
Anyone come across a radio station covering the game yet?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Rav67 on January 26, 2008, 07:31:51 PM
Sorry Rav I meant the radio as it does my nut listening to TG4, I was hoping to stream some commentary ás Béarla so I can get the whole interactive experience.

Ah right can't help you there, that would be good though as I'm not much of a gaelic speaker.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:39:20 PM
Tentative start by both teams - particularly the forwards - 4 wides and 7 miins gone
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement  when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o

0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton

0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke

That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D

Derry are missing shot after shot

0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes

0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 07:43:47 PM
Some terrible shootin so far!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Square Ball on January 26, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
anyone in the North watching this on TV?
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Maguire01 on January 26, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
anyone in the North watching this on TV?

I can't get it on TV - u the same?

Great point there by Down.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Square Ball on January 26, 2008, 07:52:38 PM
Mate of mine rang Virgin media and spoke to a Indian wonam who stated it was a local problem, she haddnt a clue really and said the problem was being worked on by technical experts!!!

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Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: HalfFitHalfBack on January 26, 2008, 07:54:10 PM
Hi Maguire01, TG4 not available on virgin media for me too.

Watching online
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: Puckoon on January 26, 2008, 07:54:33 PM
Great point by daniel hughes there.
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement  when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o

0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton

0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke

That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D

Derry are missing shot after shot

0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes

0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan

Another Derry wide!!
Title: Re: McKenna Cup 2008: Final: Down V Derry
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:56:40 PM