Antrim Hurling

Started by milltown row, January 26, 2007, 11:21:26 AM

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saffman

Div 2 shaping up nicely at the top.

Who are people backing for promotion?

SaffronSports

Quote from: saffman on June 17, 2024, 01:42:55 PMDiv 2 shaping up nicely at the top.

Who are people backing for promotion?

Think whoever wants it will get it.  There's noise from a few that maybe don't want to go up as there's a big jump from division 2 to 1.


NorthAntrim

Ahoghill wont want it. Id think Carey. Glenarm showing good progress though

Milltown Row2

While the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Two Down teams fighting it out at the bottom of Div1, one automatically relegated and the other in a playoff, we probably blew a good chance of getting a few points at home to Ballycastle yesterday, but didn't have the right intensity, stood off Ballycastle too much and they punished us accordingly.




SaffronSports

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

NorthAntrim

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

Milltown Row2

Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

NorthAntrim

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2024, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example

Div 2 is 100% squad depth. Sarsfields full out are top end div 2. Playing most of the year without best four players? Probably similar to Creggan last year, relegated and could have a say yet in the Intermediate championship. Cushendun have lost a lot of players, few in Australia, couple around the belfast clubs. TNN and Ahoghill both heavy number of dual players and probably unable to commit the training time to hurling. Can Glenariffe kick on in a few years time?

Yes Dungannon competed well, thats not my point. Example being Cuchullains from Armagh. Pulled out of Division three last minute, Ardoyne won division four last year in a year with no promotion. Their lack of respect for Antrim has cost Ardoyne possibly two seasons in Divison three, they could've kicked on again.

Next year or the year after when Cuchullains decide to come back we'll open the door for them again

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2024, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example

Div 2 is 100% squad depth. Sarsfields full out are top end div 2. Playing most of the year without best four players? Probably similar to Creggan last year, relegated and could have a say yet in the Intermediate championship. Cushendun have lost a lot of players, few in Australia, couple around the belfast clubs. TNN and Ahoghill both heavy number of dual players and probably unable to commit the training time to hurling. Can Glenariffe kick on in a few years time?

Yes Dungannon competed well, thats not my point. Example being Cuchullains from Armagh. Pulled out of Division three last minute, Ardoyne won division four last year in a year with no promotion. Their lack of respect for Antrim has cost Ardoyne possibly two seasons in Divison three, they could've kicked on again.

Next year or the year after when Cuchullains decide to come back we'll open the door for them again

What is the story with Creggan, are they not playing any championship this year in Hurling?

SaffronSports

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on June 18, 2024, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2024, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example

Div 2 is 100% squad depth. Sarsfields full out are top end div 2. Playing most of the year without best four players? Probably similar to Creggan last year, relegated and could have a say yet in the Intermediate championship. Cushendun have lost a lot of players, few in Australia, couple around the belfast clubs. TNN and Ahoghill both heavy number of dual players and probably unable to commit the training time to hurling. Can Glenariffe kick on in a few years time?

Yes Dungannon competed well, thats not my point. Example being Cuchullains from Armagh. Pulled out of Division three last minute, Ardoyne won division four last year in a year with no promotion. Their lack of respect for Antrim has cost Ardoyne possibly two seasons in Divison three, they could've kicked on again.

Next year or the year after when Cuchullains decide to come back we'll open the door for them again

What is the story with Creggan, are they not playing any championship this year in Hurling?

Yeah they pulled out of the Senior Championship so no Championship.

thegladiator

#42987
Again, this just shows up the league fixtures for the shambles they are in both codes. Lisburn finish their football league season on Saturday and have no championship til the 2nd august so have 4 games from then until the middle of September.  4 games in 12 weeks over the "summer" months. Mental. How will that drive standards, increase  competition, motivate players? Granted that is probably  an anomaly, but most teams will play 3 or 4 games from 3rd July til mid September. Why the hurry to get the leagues finished? They appear to be a hinderance to the CB and whatever logic they use to just get them out of the way. I Just don't get it, it leads to shambolic  situations  of Dunloy  supposed to be relegated to D3 football last year, but getting to the senior final, Creggan getting relegated, but winning intermediate championship. St Paul's in the running for D2 football, but don't have their county players for the entire league or possibly just 1 match at the end. Glenravel, struggling  in D1 because they are supplying  key players to the county  team. Surely we ALL deserve better.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2024, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example

Div 2 is 100% squad depth. Sarsfields full out are top end div 2. Playing most of the year without best four players? Probably similar to Creggan last year, relegated and could have a say yet in the Intermediate championship. Cushendun have lost a lot of players, few in Australia, couple around the belfast clubs. TNN and Ahoghill both heavy number of dual players and probably unable to commit the training time to hurling. Can Glenariffe kick on in a few years time?

Yes Dungannon competed well, thats not my point. Example being Cuchullains from Armagh. Pulled out of Division three last minute, Ardoyne won division four last year in a year with no promotion. Their lack of respect for Antrim has cost Ardoyne possibly two seasons in Divison three, they could've kicked on again.

Next year or the year after when Cuchullains decide to come back we'll open the door for them again

If  Cuchullains come back in again, you want them to start at div 4 and work their way up? What about the lads in Div 4 knocking their pan in and these lads come in at a far greater standard and blow everyone away?

As for the no promotion was this the same across the board? Did the clubs (only Antrim clubs) vote for this? As its the clubs who decide on matters like that, not the county.

Did Ardoyne at the weekend, some potential there. they are lying 3rd and would need to beat Davitts to get into contention of a place in Div 3, if at the minute they can't get even get second place then they are where they are and that's their level

For a club that only recently started back in the senior leagues I think their progress is great and has an upward trajectory
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Saffrongael

I wouldn't have a massive issue making them start in Div 4, if they are blowing everyone away they will only be there one season. And one sided games in Div 4 wouldn't be anything new, Davitts & Gort have beaten teams by 40 & 50 points this season.

Gort scored 13-23 against Larne a few weeks ago.
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come