Should the gaa allow the Liam Miller testimonial in Pairc hi Caoimh - poll

[Baile Brigín 2]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

[Keyser soze]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

Well before this thread you had a serious bee in your bonnet about some other issue that didn't meet your high standards. And I am not abusing other posters, I am pointing out facts, unpalatable as they may be to you.

Speaking of facts where did I say you were an enemy of the GAA?

I just pointed out that you are atypical of the lad in every club in the country who makes zero contribution but loudly criticises everything that goes on around him.  Though I am sure you don't limit your condemnation solely to GAA matters but can criticise at length other bodies to which you also do not make any contribution.

It appears though that you are not so are not so understanding of others rights to criticise you. 

[Milltown Row2]

I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.

3 days later - soze still going strong

Hey knob head, i didnt really post on this thread, but sure carry on

[johnnycool]

I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.

Who would shoot it down?

If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?

Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.

But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.

The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.

As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.

That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?

What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that

Is this the community aspect you are talking about?

Yes, obviously.

   I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?

If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.

Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.

You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.

Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?

Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?

[trailer]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.

[dublin7]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

Well before this thread you had a serious bee in your bonnet about some other issue that didn't meet your high standards. And I am not abusing other posters, I am pointing out facts, unpalatable as they may be to you.

Speaking of facts where did I say you were an enemy of the GAA?

I just pointed out that you are atypical of the lad in every club in the country who makes zero contribution but loudly criticises everything that goes on around him.  Though I am sure you don't limit your condemnation solely to GAA matters but can criticise at length other bodies to which you also do not make any contribution.

It appears though that you are not so are not so understanding of others rights to criticise you.

When the criticism is so ridiculous/petty then he has a right to call you out.  How do you know what either poster does in his own life. You clearly don't like/want to hear this but in Ireland today as sid pointed out the majority of GAA players/members are not just GAA followers but support/play other sports such as football and/or rugby as well. Is it really such a bad thing that GAA clubs be allowed rent out their facilities to other organisations/sports? I imagine in a lot of cases the funds for local GAA clubhouses/pitches etc were raised thanks to contributions from the local community, many of whom wouldn't be a member of the club. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed take advantage of the facilities unless they sign up as a member? As an amateur organisation (at local level anyway) community spirit is one of the core tenets of the GAA also in particularly rural areas I'm sure the GAA clubs could use the income.

[dublin7]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.

It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.

It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.

[trailer]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.

It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.

It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.

Utter bollocks. Read any of yesterday's papers. GAA all over the back pages. If that's not good PR, I don't know what is. The ordinary everyday GAA is happy with the PUC outcome and especially happy in professional way it has been dealt with.

[Baile Brigín 2]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.

It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.

It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.

Utter bollocks. Read any of yesterday's papers. GAA all over the back pages. If that's not good PR, I don't know what is. The ordinary everyday GAA is happy with the PUC outcome and especially happy in professional way it has been dealt with.

Its very early in the day to be on the sauce.

[Baile Brigín 2]

I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.

Who would shoot it down?

If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?

Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.

But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.

The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.

As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.

That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?

What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that

Is this the community aspect you are talking about?

Yes, obviously.

   I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?

If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.

Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.

You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.

Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?

Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?

Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events.  Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.

I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games.  Thats a different question. 

[Baile Brigín 2]

You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.

Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.

Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol

You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.

Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.

Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.

I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.

You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.

I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.

It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.

This is pathetic trailer, absolutey cretinous. You don't know the first thing about me, and your inability to check my posting is more proof you are a specimin?

Whats more dangerous to the GAA? Yes men like you abusing Gaels you disagree with or people having a discussion about whether things could have been done better?

[Rossfan]

Apart from 2 or 3 in this thread the world in general and the GAA have moved on from this subject.
It's been dealt with get over it.

[johnnycool]

I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.

Who would shoot it down?

If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?

Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.

But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.

The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.

As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.

That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?

What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that

Is this the community aspect you are talking about?

Yes, obviously.

   I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?

If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.

Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.

You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.

Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?

Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?

Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events.  Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.

I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games.  Thats a different question.

It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.

If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.

Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.

[sid waddell]

I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.

Who would shoot it down?

If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?

Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.

But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.

The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.

As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.

That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?

What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that

Is this the community aspect you are talking about?

Yes, obviously.

   I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?

If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.

Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.

You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.

Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?

Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?

Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events.  Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.

I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games.  Thats a different question.

It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.

If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.

Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.

What about adult cricket?

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I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.

Who would shoot it down?

If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?

Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.

But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.

The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.

As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.

That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?

What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that

Is this the community aspect you are talking about?

Yes, obviously.

   I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?

If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.

Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.

You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.

Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?

Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?

Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events.  Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.

I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games.  Thats a different question.

It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.

If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.

Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.

What about adult cricket?

Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.