Another Kerry player fails a doping test

[tonto1888]

Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

That's the problem, he calls out the truth and some people can't handle the truth.

does he though? Does he not just shout drugs at everything and then sometimes it turns out to be the truth

You sound a bit defensive, Tonto.
Maybe YOU are on drugs?

haha. I'm just asking?

[longballin]

Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

That's the problem, he calls out the truth and some people can't handle the truth.

does he though? Does he not just shout drugs at everything and then sometimes it turns out to be the truth

You sound a bit defensive, Tonto.
Maybe YOU are on drugs?

haha. I'm just asking?

Marc O'Se was yerra dreadful...

[Jinxy]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

[twohands!!!]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

[macdanger2]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

True. But he bought it, he took it and he's responsible for it.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

What?

He tested positive for a banned substance after a national final.

[twohands!!!]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

What?

He tested positive for a banned substance after a national final.

Yes and the banned substance wasn't listed on the product he bought and there was nothing online to suggest that the product he used might contain the banned substance.

He was able to provide an unopened sample of the product that contained the banned substance.

He was careless in that he didn't run it by whoever Kerry have in charge of this, but chances are strong that even if he had they would have told him it was perfectly legitimate.

The way people are going on you would swear he didn't receive any punishment - he got 21 weeks, which when you compare it to some of punishments GAA players have gotten when they have deliberately injured players looks a touch harsh.

As for folk owing him an apology - from earlier in the thread.

Ian O'Riordan ‏Verified account @ianoriordan 2h2 hours ago

1/2 Of all the amateur reactions to Brendan O'Sullivan's doping positive, and there are many, is the idea the supplement was 'contaminated'
0 replies 7 retweets 17 likes

2/2. no supplement is 'contaminated'; methylhexaneamine (MHA) was deliberately/purposely added. Name the product please @sportireland

[macdanger2]

I'm not disputing any of that but imo the gaa need to take a zero tolerance policy on any positive tests. I'm pretty sure almost every person who tests positive has an excuse of some sort, some of which are genuine and others which are not - it's difficult to tell which is which so I think there should be a much harsher penalty than 6 months regardless of mitigating circumstances.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

What?

He tested positive for a banned substance after a national final.

Yes and the banned substance wasn't listed on the product he bought and there was nothing online to suggest that the product he used might contain the banned substance.

He was able to provide an unopened sample of the product that contained the banned substance.

He was careless in that he didn't run it by whoever Kerry have in charge of this, but chances are strong that even if he had they would have told him it was perfectly legitimate.

The way people are going on you would swear he didn't receive any punishment - he got 21 weeks, which when you compare it to some of punishments GAA players have gotten when they have deliberately injured players looks a touch harsh.

As for folk owing him an apology - from earlier in the thread.

Ian O'Riordan ‏Verified account @ianoriordan 2h2 hours ago

1/2 Of all the amateur reactions to Brendan O'Sullivan's doping positive, and there are many, is the idea the supplement was 'contaminated'
0 replies 7 retweets 17 likes

2/2. no supplement is 'contaminated'; methylhexaneamine (MHA) was deliberately/purposely added. Name the product please @sportireland

Rory Kavanagh said the Donegal team were extremely well briefed on these issues, they had a list of supplements to use and they were to stick to those. He said they had round the clock access to a team doctor to run anything by in case they were ever in doubt.

Marc O'Se said that Kerry had pretty much the same access with regards what was ok and what wasn't.

At the very best, O'Sullivan is guilty of extreme recklessness, ignorance and naivety is no excuse and I don't for one second buy it. I wonder how many players who get caught will go down the same route - I wasn't aware - well tough shit, it's not on the allowed supplements list, he never bothered his hole to check it with the Kerry backroom team - tough shit.

[yellowcard]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

I'd like to think you are joking. At the very best he has gone on a solo run and taken a product which he actively sought out himself because the caffeine supplement prescribed by the team doctor wasn't adequate. The product he purchased co-incidentally happened to be a fat burner and some research into the product will show how he could easily have been seduced by its contents and effects.

There has to be some responsibility placed on the athlete in checking what goes into their body. The medical support staff were available if he had asked them.

[twohands!!!]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

I'd like to think you are joking. At the very best he has gone on a solo run and taken a product which he actively sought out himself because the caffeine supplement prescribed by the team doctor wasn't adequate. The product he purchased co-incidentally happened to be a fat burner and some research into the product will show how he could easily have been seduced by its contents and effects.

There has to be some responsibility placed on the athlete in checking what goes into their body. The medical support staff were available if he had asked them.

The fact is that he did check the product's ingredients to see if any were on the prohibited substances list and none of them were.
He was able to provide evidence of these searches to Sport Ireland.
Chances are high that if he had asked the medical support staff they would have told him there was nothing in the product he used that was prohibited.

It's one thing to say the product was contaminated if there's no product to be tested as an excuse, it's a bit of a different story when he says the products must be contaminated, is able to provide unused samples for testing and the samples provided test positive for the substance in question.

[yellowcard]

On the form he filled in at doping controls he listed 8 different supplements and 1 medication he took in the 2 weeks before the final. Augmentin, whey protein, pharmaton, pre-fuel, caffeine tablets, caffeine gel, vitamin C, Krill oil and magnesium. These are meant to be amateur athletes but I'd say there are professional athletes who aren't taking supplements in these quantities. No wonder the top resourced counties are getting further away from those with small budgets.

[yellowcard]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

I'd like to think you are joking. At the very best he has gone on a solo run and taken a product which he actively sought out himself because the caffeine supplement prescribed by the team doctor wasn't adequate. The product he purchased co-incidentally happened to be a fat burner and some research into the product will show how he could easily have been seduced by its contents and effects.

There has to be some responsibility placed on the athlete in checking what goes into their body. The medical support staff were available if he had asked them.

The fact is that he did check the product's ingredients to see if any were on the prohibited substances list and none of them were.
He was able to provide evidence of these searches to Sport Ireland.
Chances are high that if he had asked the medical support staff they would have told him there was nothing in the product he used that was prohibited.

It's one thing to say the product was contaminated if there's no product to be tested as an excuse, it's a bit of a different story when he says the products must be contaminated, is able to provide unused samples for testing and the samples provided test positive for the substance in question.

The fact is that ignorance is not an excuse. If this had been an athlete or cyclist they would be looking at a possible 2 year ban and left with no support network around them. He is lucky he is a GAA player with plenty of people batting his corner.

[mcklatchee]

On the form he filled in at doping controls he listed 8 different supplements and 1 medication he took in the 2 weeks before the final. Augmentin, whey protein, pharmaton, pre-fuel, caffeine tablets, caffeine gel, vitamin C, Krill oil and magnesium. These are meant to be amateur athletes but I'd say there are professional athletes who aren't taking supplements in these quantities. No wonder the top resourced counties are getting further away from those with small budgets.

That list alone confirms that the whole area needs regulated (which it notionally is) and policed (which it manifestly is not). Failure to implement a comprehensive testing regime with penalties for missed and failed tests in line with internationally accepted anti-doping standards is failing the game

[sid waddell]

Full decision here.
http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/Sport%20Ireland%20and%20GAA%20Confirm%20Anti-Doping%20Rule%20Violation.html

Seems like a couple of folk who doubted the fact that the sample was contaminated owe the lad an apology.

What?

He tested positive for a banned substance after a national final.

Yes and the banned substance wasn't listed on the product he bought and there was nothing online to suggest that the product he used might contain the banned substance.

He was able to provide an unopened sample of the product that contained the banned substance.

He was careless in that he didn't run it by whoever Kerry have in charge of this, but chances are strong that even if he had they would have told him it was perfectly legitimate.

The way people are going on you would swear he didn't receive any punishment - he got 21 weeks, which when you compare it to some of punishments GAA players have gotten when they have deliberately injured players looks a touch harsh.

As for folk owing him an apology - from earlier in the thread.

Ian O'Riordan ‏Verified account @ianoriordan 2h2 hours ago

1/2 Of all the amateur reactions to Brendan O'Sullivan's doping positive, and there are many, is the idea the supplement was 'contaminated'
0 replies 7 retweets 17 likes

2/2. no supplement is 'contaminated'; methylhexaneamine (MHA) was deliberately/purposely added. Name the product please @sportireland

Rory Kavanagh said the Donegal team were extremely well briefed on these issues, they had a list of supplements to use and they were to stick to those. He said they had round the clock access to a team doctor to run anything by in case they were ever in doubt.

Marc O'Se said that Kerry had pretty much the same access with regards what was ok and what wasn't.

At the very best, O'Sullivan is guilty of extreme recklessness, ignorance and naivety is no excuse and I don't for one second buy it. I wonder how many players who get caught will go down the same route - I wasn't aware - well tough shit, it's not on the allowed supplements list, he never bothered his hole to check it with the Kerry backroom team - tough shit.

The whole thing is absolute bollocks - he should have had the book thrown at him and got a 2 year ban minimum.

All the plamasing shit from former Kerry players about "ah shure he's a great lad and I know he wouldn't have done anything intentionally" is just that - shit.

It's no different from Danny Healy Rae saying drink driving should be allowed because "ah shure the lads here are fiersh careful".

GAA people have their heads buried in the sand on the issue of doping issue and the near-doping issue.

To listen to some people you'd swear all GAA players ate was spuds, steak, bread and milk.

The top team in the country were ten minutes late onto the pitch for an All-Ireland final because some of their players got a dose of the shits after they overdosed on caffeine gels, for FFS.