The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

So Gaza was Israel's gift to Obama before his inauguration, and now upon his reelection. "Obama do you enjoy when Israel takes a [expletive deleted] in your lap after you win election to the most powerful office on Earth?" Scott Roth tweeted, while Ian Bremmer reported the inevitable news from the president's news conference:
Israel the most mentioned country in the Pres Debate on Foreign Policy. Israel & Gaza go to war and no questions in press conf. #irony
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) November 14, 2012
They hear America loud and clear in the West Bank, and it is the sound of indifference; and the bully goes wild once again.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-militants-deadly-exchanges-live?commentpage=last#end-of-comments

The White House spokesman Jay Carney has condemned the rocket fire from Gaza, saying there is "no justification" for Hamas's violence. He called on those responsible to stop the "cowardly acts" immediately.
Carney said Hamas claimed to have the best interests of the Palestinians at heart, but its use of violence was counterproductive to the Palestianian cause, the Associated Press reports.


Last year..


The Secretary General of the UN asked Abbas to abandon any further action on his statehood bid after the US defunded UNESCO. The Secretary General is part of one of the major organs of the UN, the Secretariat. After the UNESCO vote, he has no choice other than to accept treaty instruments from Palestine, like every other State. If he or the UN Treaty Organization extend the rights reserved for a State to Palestine, they risk loosing their funding from the US government.

The US and EU have been blocking action on the Advisory Opinion and dozens of fact finding mission reports concerning war crimesand crimes against humanity. They have also been blocking the criminal complaint that Palestine filed with the ICC and resisting efforts to reconvene the Geneva Conference of High Contracting Parties to take action on the 2004 ICJ Advisory Opinion. For example, when Palestine asked for membership in the UN, the US promised to veto the application and lobbied the other members of the Security Council to withhold support.

http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-article/israel-palestinian-economy-not-stable-enough-for-independent-state-1.419358

[Ball DeBeaver]

Would you buy a poppy? No, because you know where some of the money it raises goes to people you don't want it to go to.
The Yanks don't want any of their money going to a state they can't trust to use it properly.

It's not that f**king hard to understand. 

[seafoid]

Would you buy a poppy? No, because you know where some of the money it raises goes to people you don't want it to go to.
The Yanks don't want any of their money going to a state they can't trust to use it properly.

It's not that f**king hard to understand. 

It's not about money. It's about the US doing everything it can to deny the Palestinians a state.
It's about the power and the autism of the Jewish lobby

for something that is "not that f**king hard to understand" how did you miss it ? 

Here's another example

Ms Nuland is White house Press secretary.


QUESTION: So the next time Human Rights Watch comes out with a report that's critical of Israel for its treatment of the Palestinians, I'll assume that you're going to be saying the same thing, correct; that you think that the report is credible, it's based on eyewitness accounts?
MS. NULAND: As --
QUESTION: And you're not going to say that it's politically motivated and should be dismissed?
MS. NULAND: Matt, as you have made clear again and again in this room, we are not always consistent.
Goyal.
QUESTION: So, in other words, anything that Human Rights Watch says that is critical of someone you don't like, that's okay; but once they criticize someone that you do like, then it's not worth the paper it's printed on?
MS. NULAND: Matt, I'm not going to get into colloquy on this one.

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Ha'aretz reporting that a rocket that landed in a West Bank Jewish settlement was fired from the Sinai in Egypt. If this is true then Israel's monopoly on the use of violence to get its way has been challenged and their famous "deterrence" is no longer working. 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/live-blog-rockets-slam-into-israel-s-south-in-third-day-of-idf-operation-in-gaza-1.478193#article_comments

9:13 P.M. Rockets fired from direction of Egypt toward Eshkol Regional Council (Haaretz)

11:07 P.M.The Israeli cabinet approved the request of Defense Minister Ehud Barak to call-up 75,000 additional reservists. The draft order is due to take effect within a few hours. During Operation Cast Lead, some 10,000 reservists were drafted and during the Second Lebanon War, some 60,000 reservists were drafted.


Will they go into Egypt ?

It looks like Netanyahu's gamble of assassinating someone in Gaza for a poll jump may have turned into something much worse. 

[Íseal agus crua isteach a]

After seeing countless pictures of dead children from Gaza tonight I thought a bout Netanyahu and his war criminals. How come they get to live? For something they instigated. While innocent people some only little innocent babies, some still in there mothers womb have to die a horrendous death. There only crime being they were born into a different culture that the "might is right" abhor ed. Would it be hard for the Palestinians to get at the right people who are directly responsible for there sufferings? 

[Ball DeBeaver]

Children of Slain Chabad Woman in Better Condition

The husband and children of Mirah Scharf are in better condition Friday after suffering wounds in the rocket attack that took her life.


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By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 11/16/2012, 2:09 PM




Mirah Scharf (right)

Courtesy of the family


The husband and children of Mirah Scharf are in better condition Friday after being wounded Thursday morning in a rocket attack on Kiryat Malachi.

The four remain hospitalized in Tel Hashomer. Father Shmuel, 29, is in moderate condition, four-year-old Yosef Yitzchak is in moderate to light condition, and young Hana (2) and Geula (8 months) are both in good condition.

The children have not yet been told that their mother was killed in the attack.

The Scharf family was in Israel temporarily, and normally lives in New Delhi, India, where they serve as Chabad emissaries and usually host 100 people for Sabbath meals.

They were intending to attend a memorial ceremony Thursday for Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg, the young Chabad couple murdered by terrorists four years ago in Mumbai, India.

Mirah Scharf was killed in the attack, as were Ahron Smadja, 49, and Yitzchak Amsallem, 24. Her funeral Thursday was attended by many of the Israeli backpackers who met her in India.

Her father-in-law, Rabbi Yehoshua Scharf, recalled her as devoted to her work. "In our generation everyone is looking for luxury, but they lived in minimalist conditions in a Chabad house that was open to the public 24 hours a day," he said.



Just in case you're wondering, her children were yards away from her when she was murdered, narrowly missing death. But that doesn't matter, does it? Only palestinian kids get killed, don't they.

[give her dixie]

Well, as expected the past few days have been brutal. 40 Palestinians killed, and over 350 injured, many seriously. Countless buildings and infrastructure destroyed, and fear and panic instilled in 1.6 million people. 3 Israeli's have also been killed and others injured. And to top it off, Israel have called up 75,000 reservists to go along with their existing army and are seriously threatening a ground invasion that will be nothing short of a blood bath.

Israel have been itching for a chance to attack Gaza again. They have bid their time following Cast Lead 4 years ago. The general feeling in Israel is that they didn't go far enough the last time. Plus, they got off Scott Free for killing 1,400 people in 22 days. 400 were children.

So, when they executed Jabari last Wednesday, they knew that it would stoke the flames and that Hamas would have no option but to retaliate with rockets, and then they would have the excuse to go into Gaza full bore. Boy have they gone in. As I type this, over 200 missiles have rained down on Gaza since midnight, killing 8 and injuring scores of others. Over 1,000 in total since Wednesday.

Unsurprisingly, the US and the UK have given their full support to Israel in this latest round of attacks. Arnt they 2 great nations sitting back and giving the green light for the murder of men women and children locked up in the worlds largest prison by the 4th best equipped army in the world who also happen to have 500 undeclared nuclear weapons. What beacons of humanity and democracy they really are.

As the past few days have gone by, one Israeli spokesperson after another has been on the airwaves spouting the same lies over and over again. However, day by day, as the truth emerges from Gaza, they are been shown up for what they are. Not human.

It is also worth bearing in mind that Hamas are a democratically elected Government in Gaza. Israel is directly targeting the leadership, and have destroyed several of the main Government buildings. Their homes have been destroyed, and everyone is a target. Targeting the democratically elected Government of 1.6 million people is beyond belief. Democracy eh?

To be honest, Israel have manufactured this whole thing knowing full well the consequences. They are testing and teasing a number of countries with their behavior, chiefly Iran. Add to this Egypt and their new Government, Turkey, Tunisia, Lebannon, and Qatar and it is a messy mix.

The Egyptian Prime Minister visited Gaza yesterday. While they were visiting a hospital, bodies of young children were brought in following an airstrike on their home. Today, 12 members of the Tunisian Government have arrived. The Government building they were to meet in was destroyed after the Egyptian Prime Minister met the Hamas Government. Just hours before the Tunisian ministers arrived today, Israel destroyed a school they built. Israel made sure to show them what they are capable of, and how much they respect them.

4 years ago as Gaza was been pulverised, no journalists were allowed in, and Egypt closed the gates at Rafah. Today, it's a different story. Plus, twitter and facebook have been red hot over the past few days where images and video are been shared and viewed instantly. The images emerging from Gaza are absolutely horrific and heartbreaking. The main stream media are not trusted as their biased reporting is exposed.

The next 24 hours are going to be crucial. Will Israel invade or not. If they do, they will no doubt go in full tilt. The consequences will be many as it will draw in the above mentioned countries who will not sit idly by this time around if Gaza is attacked. Israel knows this, and if they can get to Iran this way, they will play the game. Because that is what all this is to them as they carry out their plans to take all of the Palestinian land. This time though, they might have bit off more than they can handle........

Sadly though, a lot of people will die and get injured on both sides while a lunatic army continues its aggression on a defenseless people.

[JimStynes]

What is the best website to follow what is really going on?

[Minder]

RNU fights back......

Stall paintbombed in Castlecourt


A stall has been paintbombed in a busy Belfast shopping centre by a man who claimed to be protesting over the Israeli offensive on Gaza.
The incident happened in Castlecourt on Friday at 1.50pm when the shopping centre was packed with Christmas shoppers.



Republican Network for Unity (RNU) have admitted carrying out the attack on the stall, which sells cosmetics using Dead Sea Salt.

Over 20 Palestinians and three Israelis have been killed in attacks by both sides following Israel's assassination of Ahmed Jabari, the Hamas military chief, in a drone strike on his car on Wednesday.

Hundreds of rockets have been fired into Israel, who has responded with airstrikes during three days of fighting.

Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore has condemned the escalation of violence which he said has put the lives of innocent civilians at risk.

In a statement RNU said that six balloons filled with red paint were launched from a balcony overlooking the stall.

Police are appealing to anyone who witnessed the incident or has information in relation to it to contact them.

© UTV News

[give her dixie]

What is the best website to follow what is really going on?

Jim, it is best to follow on twitter as it is a constant stream of news as it happens and links to photo's video's and news articles.

https://twitter.com/search?q=gaza&src=savs

[Harold Disgracey]

[Ball DeBeaver]

Breaking News



PMO spokesman: 60 Gazan rockets hit Palestinian civilians

By JPOST.COM STAFF

11/17/2012 14:55


Sixty out of the 703 rockets Hamas fired during the four days of Operation Pillar of Defense fell inside the Gaza Strip on Palestinian civilians, PMO Spokesman said on Twitter on Saturday.

Only 27 of the rockets fell on urban areas in Israel.

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Breaking News



PMO spokesman: 60 Gazan rockets hit Palestinian civilians

By JPOST.COM STAFF

11/17/2012 14:55


Sixty out of the 703 rockets Hamas fired during the four days of Operation Pillar of Defense fell inside the Gaza Strip on Palestinian civilians, PMO Spokesman said on Twitter on Saturday.

Only 27 of the rockets fell on urban areas in Israel.

So why the big panic ?

[Ball DeBeaver]

Op-Ed: Spare Us the Pieties on Gaza

Published: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:25 PM

Disproportion? Innocents in Gaza? Give me a break!




Jack Engelhard
Jack Engelhard is the author of "The Bathsheba Deadline" and "Indecent Proposal", as well as the award-winning memoir of his experiences as a Jewish refugee from Europe, "Escape From Mount Moriah". His latest novel, "The Girls of Cincinnati," is available on Amazon. He can be reached at his website www. jackengelhard. com.


Frankly, given a choice, I prefer the skinheads and other brutes who express their anti-Semitism openly. In such places, we know the enemy.

But please spare me the pieties and the righteous indignation of those "good people" protesting throughout Europe
You called it "peace" as long as the Arabs were doing the killing and the Jews were doing the dying.
against Israel's defensive operation in Gaza. True, thousands have taken up banners in support of Israel and Jews all over the world are expressing support. At the same time, however, the streets of Europe (and even some in America) are in an uproar. These are the "humanitarians" - the good, the noble, the refined, who chant "peace."

Now you're up and about? Now you speak? Where were you when, throughout the years, thousands of jihadist bombs fell on Israel? The streets of Europe were empty. There were no pictures in the newspapers of grieving Jewish mothers and fathers, of frightened old people and children. You called it "peace" as long as the Arabs were doing the killing and the Jews were doing the dying. All was well with the world.

Suddenly, as Israel answers back, you found your Cause; and how self-righteous you are in your Cause.

You are the best and the brightest of Europe. You are educated. You attended the finest schools. You care for the birds, the bees, the bears, the trees. You favor free speech and freedom of religion. Strange it is that the one and only place in the Middle East that shares your world-view is Israel, and it is Israel that you slander.

Israel is a Jewish State. Is that your problem? At the first hint of Jewish self-defense, how quickly you show your true colors.

I've seen the photos of your candlelight vigils along the streets and boulevards of Europe, all of it; all these tears in the service of those terrorists whom you call your brothers. Indeed you are related to Hamas (and Fatah) as once before, a mere generation ago, you were related to Hitler's stormtroopers. Your angelic faces are touching - and disgusting. Your hypocrisy is transparent and nauseating.

You speak of disproportion. You want proportion? Give Israel a population of 300 million residing in 22 countries, similar to the Arab Muslims who surround and ambush Israel - instead of six million Jews in one single country. There's plenty of "proportion" coming from your BBC, which delights in presenting one side of the story and picks up where Der Sturmer left off. Now, with this type of "news", we know how Europe was conditioned for a Holocaust.

Already we see Nights of Broken Glass. Thank you, Europe, for reminding us why America was discovered just in time (and why Israel was redeemed many generations too late). You dare judge Israel? In your deportations, your expulsions, your forced conversions, your inquisitions, your pogroms, you have no moral authority over Israel or even within your own borders. You gave all that up from 1492 to 1942.

To those on the Left who sought peace, well, dear peace-lovers, peace brought this on. "Land for Peace" made this happen, as Land for Peace became Land for Jihad. "Painful Concessions" caused this war. "Goodwill Gestures"
You have no moral authority over Israel or even within your own borders.
backfired. Want more "peace"? Give up the Golan Heights. Give up the entire "West Bank". Give up Jerusalem. Imagine the "peace."

As for those "innocent civilians" in Gaza, they were given a choice and they chose Hamas. They chose this pestilence.

As for those "refugee camps" - why are they "refugee camps" when Israel handed over all that territory for a nation to be built in peace and security alongside Israel? Why are all Palestinians automatically refugees even after they've been given a home? The only true refugees are the thousands of Israelis who were driven from Gaza and still live in trailer parks. No tears for them in this world that still dreams of Auschwitz.

Once, in response to a column I wrote about Theresienstadt, someone responded that I was incorrect; that Theresienstadt was not a prelude to Auschwitz, but rather "a vacation resort." I wrote back wishing this person a lifetime in such vacation resorts. I wish the same lifetime vacation resorts to all those parading throughout the streets of Europe or demonstating in New York at the Israeli Consulate, with banners crying, "Death to Israel."

God bless the IDF! Go Israel!


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