The Palestine thread

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seafoid

Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on November 14, 2012, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 14, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on November 14, 2012, 06:41:56 PM
Todays attacks from Israel have come as a direct result of the 150 rockets fired into Israel in the last week.
It's because there's an election coming up soon in Israel and Gaza needs a whupping. It happens every time the Jews vote.
That is the system that runs in Israel. Talk peace but depend on violence.  If Israel were to end the occupation there would be an intra Jewish civil war so it's easier to bomb the shit out of Gaza.

Israel turned into a sad Jewish state. It is very hard to believe that the people prayed for 19 centuries and ended up with  sociopaths like Netanyahu and Lieberman running the promised land.

I don't think there is anyone on this board who talks a bigger load of aul balls than you.

Carlo Strenger knows what is happening

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/an-open-letter-to-akiva-eldar-looking-beyond-the-two-state-solution.premium-1.477593#

Maybe it will work in our favor: if we present Israel's citizens with the details of a one-state solution, they might conceivably wake up. They might realize that they keep electing parties that lead them into catastrophe.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ball DeBeaver

To the "hard" man sending me the threatening pms, go f**k yerself.
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

seafoid

Israeli elections preceded by attacks on Gaza : 1955,1961
1981,1996,2009
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

This is Uri Avnery's (Gush Shalom) first commentary:

Press Release 11/14/2012
Avnery on the deliberate cynicism

Netanyahu and Barak have decided to deliberately violate a cease-fire which had just been stabilized.
At the price of great and ongoing suffering on both sides of the border, the government's aim had been accomplished: social issues will be removed from the public agenda and the election campaign

"Binyamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak have decided – for the second time in a row the State of Israel will conduct general elections under the shadow of war in the Gaza Strip. The cease-fire which already started to stabilize has been broken deliberately and shattered to pieces. The inhabitants of the communities of southern Israel, who just started to breathe freely, are sent right back to air raid alarms and to running to shelters" said former Knesset Member Uri Avnery of Gush Shalom.

"At the price of great suffering on both sides of the border, the government's aim has been accomplished: the social issues, which threatened to assume prominence in these elections, have been pushed aside and removed from the agenda of the elections campaign. Forgotten, too, is the brave attempt of Mahmoud Abbas to address the Israeli public opinion. In the coming weeks, the headlines will be filled with constant war and death, destruction and bloodshed. When it ends at last, it will be revealed that no goal has been achieved and that the problems remain the same, or perhaps exacerbated. "
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-killed-its-subcontractor-in-gaza.premium-1.477886

Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as "an arch-terrorist," "the terror chief of staff" or "our Bin Laden."

But that was the reality for the past five and a half years. Israel demanded of Hamas that it observe the truce in the south and enforce it on the multiplicity of armed organizations in the Gaza Strip. The man responsible for carrying out this policy was Ahmed Jabari.

In return for enforcing the quiet, which was never perfect, Israel funded the Hamas regime through the flow of shekels in armored trucks to banks in Gaza, and continued to supply infrastructure and medical services to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. Jabari was also Israel's partner in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit; it was he who ensured the captive soldier's welfare and safety, and it was he saw to Shalit's return home last fall.

The assassination of Jabari will go down in history as another showy military action initiated by an outgoing government on the eve of an election.

This is what researcher Prof. Yagil Levy has called "fanning the conflict as an intra-state control strategy:" The external conflict helps a government strengthen its standing domestically because the public unites behind the army, and social and economic problems are edged off the national agenda.

This recipe is familiar from 1955, when David Ben-Gurion returned from his exile in Sde Boker and led the Israel Defense Forces to a retaliatory action in Gaza, and his party, Mapai, to victory in the election. (Barak recalled this period with nostalgia, when he spoke last week at a memorial for Moshe Dayan). Ever since, whenever the ruling party feels threatened at the ballot box, it puts its finger on the trigger. The examples are common knowledge: the launch of the Shavit 2 missile in the summer of 1961, in the midst of the Lavon affair; the bombing of the Iraqi reactor in 1981; Operation Grapes of Wrath in Lebanon in 1996, and Operation Cast Lead in Gaza on the eve of the 2009 election. In the two latter cases, the military action turned into a defeat in the election.

There is a disagreement among historians as to whether it is necessary to add the Yom Kippur War to the list. In that conflict, which broke out on the eve of the 1973 election, the Arabs fired first, but their decision to go to war was taken in the context of the increasingly extreme position of Prime Minister Golda Meir's government ¬ which had refused Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's peace offer and declared an expansion of Israeli settlements in Sinai.

This, for example, is the opinion of researchers Prof. Motti Golani and Shoshana Ishoni-Barri.

The current operation, Pillar of Cloud, belongs in the same category. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is interested in neutralizing every possible rival, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak is fighting for enough votes to return to the Knesset. A war against Hamas will wipe out the electoral aspirations of the ditherer, Ehud Olmert, whose disciples expected him to announce his candidacy this evening ¬ and it will kick off the agenda the "social and economic issue" that serves the Labor Party headed by MK Shelly Yacimovich.

Israel is a madhouse
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ball DeBeaver

Quote from: seafoid on November 14, 2012, 09:36:22 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-killed-its-subcontractor-in-gaza.premium-1.477886

Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as "an arch-terrorist," "the terror chief of staff" or "our Bin Laden."

But that was the reality for the past five and a half years. Israel demanded of Hamas that it observe the truce in the south and enforce it on the multiplicity of armed organizations in the Gaza Strip. The man responsible for carrying out this policy was Ahmed Jabari.

In return for enforcing the quiet, which was never perfect, Israel funded the Hamas regime through the flow of shekels in armored trucks to banks in Gaza, and continued to supply infrastructure and medical services to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. Jabari was also Israel's partner in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit; it was he who ensured the captive soldier's welfare and safety, and it was he saw to Shalit's return home last fall.

The assassination of Jabari will go down in history as another showy military action initiated by an outgoing government on the eve of an election.

This is what researcher Prof. Yagil Levy has called "fanning the conflict as an intra-state control strategy:" The external conflict helps a government strengthen its standing domestically because the public unites behind the army, and social and economic problems are edged off the national agenda.

This recipe is familiar from 1955, when David Ben-Gurion returned from his exile in Sde Boker and led the Israel Defense Forces to a retaliatory action in Gaza, and his party, Mapai, to victory in the election. (Barak recalled this period with nostalgia, when he spoke last week at a memorial for Moshe Dayan). Ever since, whenever the ruling party feels threatened at the ballot box, it puts its finger on the trigger. The examples are common knowledge: the launch of the Shavit 2 missile in the summer of 1961, in the midst of the Lavon affair; the bombing of the Iraqi reactor in 1981; Operation Grapes of Wrath in Lebanon in 1996, and Operation Cast Lead in Gaza on the eve of the 2009 election. In the two latter cases, the military action turned into a defeat in the election.

There is a disagreement among historians as to whether it is necessary to add the Yom Kippur War to the list. In that conflict, which broke out on the eve of the 1973 election, the Arabs fired first, but their decision to go to war was taken in the context of the increasingly extreme position of Prime Minister Golda Meir's government ¬ which had refused Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's peace offer and declared an expansion of Israeli settlements in Sinai.

This, for example, is the opinion of researchers Prof. Motti Golani and Shoshana Ishoni-Barri.

The current operation, Pillar of Cloud, belongs in the same category. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is interested in neutralizing every possible rival, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak is fighting for enough votes to return to the Knesset. A war against Hamas will wipe out the electoral aspirations of the ditherer, Ehud Olmert, whose disciples expected him to announce his candidacy this evening ¬ and it will kick off the agenda the "social and economic issue" that serves the Labor Party headed by MK Shelly Yacimovich.

Israel is a madhouse

::)
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

Myles Na G.

Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02398/gazaFire2_2398593d.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSysiqT4_YjWW65gBOH4cN3aRnlqCrgTJhBAXwiQ1wuG9GTSgcWNA
You come on here every 15 minutes posting up details of the latest Israeli atrocity. You ignore any action by the Palestinians, such as:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20294335

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-kills-one-second-day-gaza-strikes-062552365.html

That's the result of a 10 second google search. I'm no expert on the middle east, but I recognise a complex, intractable historical conflict when I see one. You, on the other hand, see nothing but a story a child of 6 could understand, with good guys on one side and monsters on the others. Grow up, ffs!


If you go back through the thread you will see that I only reported on the deaths in Gaza, and not on how many missiles and bullets that are fired at them. That would make the number of rockets pale in comparrison. No Israeli to the best of my knowledge has been killed by a rocket from Gaza.

You post a link to a story about rockets. Sure even a 6 year old would know that the headline is a lie:
"Israel says 79 rockets fired at it from Gaza"
Why does that not surprise me? (the bit about your knowledge, I mean).

Íseal agus crua isteach a

Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02398/gazaFire2_2398593d.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSysiqT4_YjWW65gBOH4cN3aRnlqCrgTJhBAXwiQ1wuG9GTSgcWNA
You come on here every 15 minutes posting up details of the latest Israeli atrocity. You ignore any action by the Palestinians, such as:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20294335

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-kills-one-second-day-gaza-strikes-062552365.html

That's the result of a 10 second google search. I'm no expert on the middle east, but I recognise a complex, intractable historical conflict when I see one. You, on the other hand, see nothing but a story a child of 6 could understand, with good guys on one side and monsters on the others. Grow up, ffs!


If you go back through the thread you will see that I only reported on the deaths in Gaza, and not on how many missiles and bullets that are fired at them. That would make the number of rockets pale in comparrison. No Israeli to the best of my knowledge has been killed by a rocket from Gaza.

You post a link to a story about rockets. Sure even a 6 year old would know that the headline is a lie:
"Israel says 79 rockets fired at it from Gaza"
Why does that not surprise me? (the bit about your knowledge, I mean).
More people die in Israel from pea nut allergies than rockets from Gaza.

Ball DeBeaver

More Irishmen were killed by the IRA, than the Brits (1969 - 1994).
Who's the bad guy?
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

Íseal agus crua isteach a

Some very bad pictures coming out of Palestine tonight this little girl was one of the zionist victims.

boojangles

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on November 14, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Some very bad pictures coming out of Palestine tonight this little girl was one of the zionist victims.


Spotted with a rocket launcher no doubt.

Myles Na G.

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on November 14, 2012, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02398/gazaFire2_2398593d.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSysiqT4_YjWW65gBOH4cN3aRnlqCrgTJhBAXwiQ1wuG9GTSgcWNA
You come on here every 15 minutes posting up details of the latest Israeli atrocity. You ignore any action by the Palestinians, such as:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20294335

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-kills-one-second-day-gaza-strikes-062552365.html

That's the result of a 10 second google search. I'm no expert on the middle east, but I recognise a complex, intractable historical conflict when I see one. You, on the other hand, see nothing but a story a child of 6 could understand, with good guys on one side and monsters on the others. Grow up, ffs!


If you go back through the thread you will see that I only reported on the deaths in Gaza, and not on how many missiles and bullets that are fired at them. That would make the number of rockets pale in comparrison. No Israeli to the best of my knowledge has been killed by a rocket from Gaza.

You post a link to a story about rockets. Sure even a 6 year old would know that the headline is a lie:
"Israel says 79 rockets fired at it from Gaza"
Why does that not surprise me? (the bit about your knowledge, I mean).
More people die in Israel from pea nut allergies than rockets from Gaza.
I've seen that line hundreds of times. Every time I see it, I ask the writer / speaker to provide some evidence to back it up. What've you got?

give her dixie

Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on November 14, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on November 14, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02398/gazaFire2_2398593d.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSysiqT4_YjWW65gBOH4cN3aRnlqCrgTJhBAXwiQ1wuG9GTSgcWNA
You come on here every 15 minutes posting up details of the latest Israeli atrocity. You ignore any action by the Palestinians, such as:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20294335

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-kills-one-second-day-gaza-strikes-062552365.html

That's the result of a 10 second google search. I'm no expert on the middle east, but I recognise a complex, intractable historical conflict when I see one. You, on the other hand, see nothing but a story a child of 6 could understand, with good guys on one side and monsters on the others. Grow up, ffs!


If you go back through the thread you will see that I only reported on the deaths in Gaza, and not on how many missiles and bullets that are fired at them. That would make the number of rockets pale in comparrison. No Israeli to the best of my knowledge has been killed by a rocket from Gaza this year.

You post a link to a story about rockets. Sure even a 6 year old would know that the headline is a lie:
"Israel says 79 rockets fired at it from Gaza"
Why does that not surprise me? (the bit about your knowledge, I mean).

Sorry, typo. I meant killed this year.
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Ball DeBeaver

Quote from: seafoid on November 14, 2012, 08:34:08 PM
Israeli elections preceded by attacks on Gaza : 1955,1961
1981,1996,2009
Israeli elections preceded by attacks from pals......

Every f**kin one of them.
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

give her dixie

It's fair to say that the tension has been raised to a level not seen in 4 years in Gaza since Cast Lead.
Israel has once again used the Palestinians in Gaza as an election issue. Pure evil.

For hours today F16's Drones, and Apache helicopters roamed the skies of Gaza. 8 people were killed and over 50 injured. Among tthe dead was an 11 month old daughter of a BBC Arabic reporter.

Ahmed Jabari was a high ranking Hamas leader and his death today, along with the others, has sparked what will be a brutal few days ahead.

As expected, the US State Dept backed Israel and their right to defend themselves. No mention on how the Palestinians have any right to defend themselves from settlers.

Israel have been itching to launch something big on Gaza for a while now. They took the opportunity of the US election results and their own upcoming election to go mental once again.

next stop, September 10, for number 4......