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Title: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
Cork V Tipp on Sunday

This is a fabulous article :

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jackie-tyrrell-cork-hurling-needs-leaders-of-old-1.3088249
Jackie Tyrrell: Cork hurling needs leaders of old

Senior players need to offer better example against Tipperary than last year’s disaster
A lot of the time, people focus on the wrong thing when they’re assessing a team’s chances. Take Cork this Sunday against Tipperary. All the talk around Cork after the league and going into the championship has been about the young guys who are coming on to the scene. Shane Kingston, Mark Coleman, Luke Meade, Dean Brosnan, Colm Spillane, Michael Spillane, Darragh Fitzgibbon. Cork’s future. Now.
Some of these lads will start on Sunday, a few more of them will be very likely to come on. So in all the chat that surrounds the game, that’s what people think will determine the winning and losing of it. Cork are going with youth and everybody is mad keen to see how it goes for them.
The reality is, though, that no matter how good or bad these lads are on Sunday, they’re not the key to the outcome. Their youth will bring energy, freshness, boldness, confidence and exuberance to the Cork set-up and it will help shape the panel’s mentality going into the game. But when the ball is in and the heat is on, Cork will rise or fall on the leadership provided by the core of experienced players already there.
I’m talking about Anthony Nash, Conor Lehane, Mark Ellis, Alan Cadogan, Bill Cooper, Séamus Harnedy, Patrick Horgan. Time and again when you watch Cork, you wonder where the leaders are. Too many of them have a tendency to go missing in games and not touch the ball for ages. That can’t happen now, not when they have a crop of young, quality players to show the ropes to.
If you had to pinpoint one big problem with Cork over the past few years, it’s a lack of leaders. The Cork teams I played against in the 2000s were coming down with them. Donal Óg Cusack would always be there with his “We are Cork, boi” arrogance. Diarmuid O’Sullivan, Ronan Curran and John Gardiner would knock your head off your shoulders without a second thought.

Seán Óg Ó hAilpín had that in him too, when it was needed. Ben and Jerry O’Connor would run the legs off you, Timmy and Niall McCarthy never gave you an easy ball. That’s every patch of the field covered with lads who wouldn’t know how to let a game pass them by.

Nicest
Now think of the Cork team of the last few years. Think of all the games you’ve seen where Horgan ended up with seven points, all from frees, and you couldn’t think of another thing he did in the game. Or where Cadogan sprinted out to collect the first ball and scored the first point and then wasn’t seen for the next 15 minutes. Or where Lehane looked like he might spark into life at any minute and next thing you knew the game was over.
Or think of the Cork defenders. Over the last five years, they have to be the nicest set of backs I’ve ever seen. Excellent on the ball, all of them. But so nice they would nearly pick your hurl off the ground for you if you dropped it.
The leeway you get for being young should only last a very short time
Very rarely do you see them taking a yellow card when it has to be taken. When’s the last time you heard of one of them being up in front of the Central Competitions Control Committee? I’m not saying they should be going around killing fellas for the sake of it. But part of the game is doing what has to be done, when it has to be done.
 

So here is Cork’s problem. They have a heap of young guys coming on stream and that creates expectation among the supporters. But you don’t learn intercounty hurling just by pulling on the jersey. You learn by watching what the experienced players are doing, what they are saying, how they carry themselves, where they set the bar.
 
You are never more impressionable than in your first year or two on an intercounty panel. You don’t know anything, really. So you’re soaking up everything that’s going on around you. You’re bouncing down the street in the team tracksuit, delighted with yourself, knowing that people are talking about you. And when it comes to the hurling side of it, you basically know that whatever you do well is a bonus and if you come up short, it’s not disastrous. You’re young so nobody is going to blame you.

This is where the culture of a dressingroom is so important. The leeway you get for being young should only last a very short time. In a good dressingroom, the leaders give you a bit of wriggle room to make mistakes but they make it clear that there’s a standard that has to be maintained. They don’t mind it if you’re not there yet as long as you’re working your way there.
That was what was said over and over again in my time in Kilkenny dressingrooms. When I got in there in 2003, you had lads such as Peter Barry, DJ Carey, Andy Comerford. And all they would say to you is make sure you work. Work hard, get the jersey, savour it when you have it and pass it on to the next guy in a better state than you got it. That was the over-arching mentality. That was the leadership you learned from.

What are young guys learning when they walk into the Cork dressingroom? What example are they being set? This is a team that utterly failed its acid test last year, by which I mean the qualifier against Wexford. Not scoring for 21 minutes in a championship game is just not acceptable. When Daniel Kearney got the 61st-minute goal to spring them from two down to one up, that should have been a big momentum changer. But it wasn’t. Instead, they went missing. They accepted defeat.
What’s Cork’s identity? It’s hard to pin it down, isn’t it?
So if that’s the culture, then that’s what young guys learn. They settle into a camp where not affecting a game in the last 10 minutes is accepted. They are shown that the biggest names in the team, the lads they looked up to before they ever even met them, can live with not being able to turn a game their way when it’s in the melting pot. Without even knowing it, they’re forming bad habits that they might never get rid of.
Leaders don’t have to make inspiring speeches or be always talking or constantly in the spotlight to show the way. It’s in how they prepare meticulously for big games. How they go quieter as the week develops, how they exude a razor-sharp focus, a killer instinct, an aggressive body language. It’s how they have that look in their eye before you go out that dressingroom door at 3.10pm that makes you think: “Yeah, we’re ready for whatever this team throws at us.”
Most of all, it’s doing what has to be done, going beyond the norm. In 2007, All-Ireland final against Limerick, Mike Fitzgerald got the ball about 10 minutes before half-time and took Noel Hickey on at the Hill 16 end near the Cusack side. I was less than 10 yards away. The ball hopped up between the two of them and as Noel went for it, he tore his hamstring. You could see straight away his day was over.
Mike Fitz had the ball though and as he turned, it looked as if he was in around Noel and had a straight run in along the endline to goal. Not on Noel’s watch. He decided in a split second that he wasn’t getting in on goal, and stretched out and let fly with the hurl and pulled across him. I could hear the crack of the hurl across Mike’s hand and as Noel hobbled off the pitch, Barry Kelly raised a fully-deserved yellow card. But Noel didn’t care – the goal wasn’t breached and he did what had to be done. That’s a killer instinct.
That moment stayed with me for my whole career. I thought about it several times afterwards. You’d have to watch it back a few times to even see it, he did it that quickly and instinctively. But it just stuck with me because it brought home what he was willing to do. He was in agony, his All-Ireland final was over. But without even thinking, he was doing anything he could to stop a goal. Mind the house. Nothing else matters. Ruthless. That was our identity.
Inconsistency
What’s Cork’s identity? It’s hard to pin it down, isn’t it? Worst of all, most of what you’d come up with is negative. Inconsistency. Lack of physicality. Major lack of leadership. Gameplans for the sake of it, like William Egan playing sweeper last year against Tipperary without them having drilled it and perfected it during the league.
Some of these Cork players have to step up and show real leadership and make a statement
These are all bad habits and they’ve been there for a while. So what can you expect young guys to learn only those same habits? The result is that the bar starts at a low point the following year and any small bit of improvement is only from that low base. That’s how teams get stuck in a rut. They accept their lot in life. They forget that it doesn’t have to be this way.

That’s what makes this Tipperary game such a massive one for this Cork team. Last year was a disaster. They tried something new that they clearly didn’t even really believe in, they did it badly, they got a hiding. They can’t afford for Sunday to go the same way. If that happens, then that’s another bad habit formed. It’s two years’ worth of Cork players who get it into their heads that Tipperary are a team to have a mental block about.
That can’t happen. I don’t expect Cork to win on Sunday but I want to see a level of anger out of them. What’s important is that if they lose, they lose fighting. That they lose having a real shot at Tipperary. That they put in a performance that is completely different to last year when they didn’t land a glove.
Some of these Cork players have to step up and show real leadership and make a statement that this is a new Cork team, one that has steel, one that does not roll over like against Wexford last year. That they collectively say we’re maybe not at the skill level of Tipp or have the experience they do just yet, but we are going places. We have youth, we have physicality, we have an identity.
That starts with the experienced guys. If they do their bit, they will give the younger lads something to build on. And bit by bit, Cork can start putting something together and get back to where they should be.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: PW Nally on May 19, 2017, 10:44:05 AM


Most of all, it’s doing what has to be done, going beyond the norm. In 2007, All-Ireland final against Limerick, Mike Fitzgerald got the ball about 10 minutes before half-time and took Noel Hickey on at the Hill 16 end near the Cusack side. I was less than 10 yards away. The ball hopped up between the two of them and as Noel went for it, he tore his hamstring. You could see straight away his day was over.
Mike Fitz had the ball though and as he turned, it looked as if he was in around Noel and had a straight run in along the endline to goal. Not on Noel’s watch. He decided in a split second that he wasn’t getting in on goal, and stretched out and let fly with the hurl and pulled across him. I could hear the crack of the hurl across Mike’s hand and as Noel hobbled off the pitch, Barry Kelly raised a fully-deserved yellow card. But Noel didn’t care – the goal wasn’t breached and he did what had to be done. That’s a killer instinct.


Should that killer instinct as described have resulted in a red?

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 19, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
But there's no cynicism in hurling!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
It will be interesting to see how Tipp react to the
League hammering

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/galway-defeat-shows-were-mortals-35723198.html
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2017, 12:18:19 PM
Babs basically quotes Sylvie Linnane. You need a few tinkers

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/questionmark-over-tipps-killer-instinct-keating-35732038.html
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0515/875348-hurling-tipperary-4-22-cork-1-22/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
Tipp aren't playing that well. Maybe the league result wasn't a one off
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2017, 05:31:14 PM
Goal for Cork with 3 minutes left . Tipp down by 3
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2017, 05:45:25 PM
Great match, fair fecks to Cork and their management...was listening to RTE radio on way back from refereeing and listening to John Mullane, fecking  nutter!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 06:58:34 PM
Fantastic 2nd half, the first can't have been much worse given it was 0-15 each at half time. Well done to Cork. Suppose that would be a shock that Tipp lost or would it, considering they were well beaten in the league final?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: SHEEDY on May 21, 2017, 07:06:49 PM
brillant display by cork. you'll be going well to see a better match for the rest of the year. munster hurling at its best.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2017, 07:17:06 PM
Fantastic 2nd half, the first can't have been much worse given it was 0-15 each at half time. Well done to Cork. Suppose that would be a shock that Tipp lost or would it, considering they were well beaten in the league final?
It would. They were favourites to win the all Ireland. It's a huge shock
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on May 21, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
Fantastic 2nd half, the first can't have been much worse given it was 0-15 each at half time. Well done to Cork. Suppose that would be a shock that Tipp lost or would it, considering they were well beaten in the league final?

The consensus seemed to be they were caught on the hop in the league final. They will probably still be there or thereabouts later in the year but the defense needs serious sorting out. If i were a tipp person i would worry that lessons weren't learnt from league final.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2017, 08:54:04 PM
Great start to the Championship. That old saying about Cork being like Mushrooms strikes again.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
I had to laugh at Gerlock fetishishing the clash of Cork and tipp in the mythical Munster hurling championship as something beyond time and space . When he was managing Clare he hated that sort of crap which he felt kept Clare down. He didn't even mention Clare when he was talking about it. 

3rd video here
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0521/876845-tipperary-v-cork/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: JimStynes on May 21, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
A few mates and myself are talking about heading down to the Munster hurling final this year. Any idea of the venue?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 21, 2017, 09:50:24 PM
A few mates and myself are talking about heading down to the Munster hurling final this year. Any idea of the venue?
Pairc ui Chaoimh
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2017, 10:12:51 PM
A few mates and myself are talking about heading down to the Munster hurling final this year. Any idea of the venue?
Pairc ui Chaoimh

So it will be ready?? Think I'm away.. what date?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 21, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
A few mates and myself are talking about heading down to the Munster hurling final this year. Any idea of the venue?
Pairc ui Chaoimh

So it will be ready?? Think I'm away.. what date?
9th July. I think they've confirmed open in June.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Roashter on May 22, 2017, 12:04:28 AM
afaik
Waterford v Clare/Limerick=Thurles
Clare v Cork=Thurles
Cork & Limerick have home/away agreement
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
via the Indo

The reigning All-Ireland champions have now conceded 5-48 in just two games and have lengthened to 4/1 to hold on to Liam McCarthy in 2017.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on May 22, 2017, 09:57:28 AM


Most of all, it’s doing what has to be done, going beyond the norm. In 2007, All-Ireland final against Limerick, Mike Fitzgerald got the ball about 10 minutes before half-time and took Noel Hickey on at the Hill 16 end near the Cusack side. I was less than 10 yards away. The ball hopped up between the two of them and as Noel went for it, he tore his hamstring. You could see straight away his day was over.
Mike Fitz had the ball though and as he turned, it looked as if he was in around Noel and had a straight run in along the endline to goal. Not on Noel’s watch. He decided in a split second that he wasn’t getting in on goal, and stretched out and let fly with the hurl and pulled across him. I could hear the crack of the hurl across Mike’s hand and as Noel hobbled off the pitch, Barry Kelly raised a fully-deserved yellow card. But Noel didn’t care – the goal wasn’t breached and he did what had to be done. That’s a killer instinct.


Should that killer instinct as described have resulted in a red?

It should have, I said that at the time, but didn't, risk and reward and its very hard for a referee to send someone off in the first throws of an AI final, coupled with the fact that everyone knew Hickeys day was run anyway.
Tyrrell just throws a bit of light on the Kilkenny mentality that for all their skills and ability they could get down and dirty when the need arose.


As for the game yesterday Cork did their homework on Tipp especially their matchups with the Tipp defence. Lehane on R Maher was a masterstroke especially how the Cork lads around created space for them to be isolated as Lehane had the legs on him time and time again. Then Tipp sent over Paudie Maher, who is not an man marker by any stretch. Tipp needed a sticky wee f**ker to put on him.
Corks defence stood up well but were still reliant on a bit of last gasp defending an a few occasions to prevent Tipp getting more than the one goal they did get. If McGrath had of kicked his in rather than over the bar and the chance a very quiet Callanan got when Nash flew off the line it could well have been a different result.
Credit to Cork, their passing from the hurl was fantastic from Coleman, Lehane and the likes, defensively they grafted and covered for each other, Nashes drilled puck outs were good two, BUT if the two meet again later on in the year my moneys on Tipp.

Waterford await, and I hope McGrath lets his lads loose with no sweepers.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 22, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
Waterford won't be as conservative in the championship

they have the defensive system well drilled, lads will be up to full fitness and I expect them to open up more
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 22, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
Waterford in their quest for an All Ireland will have benefitted most from yesterdays result. I can see them winning Munster now and going to the AI semi final. They will avoid Tipp because I think Galway will put them out of the championship.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on May 22, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
Loughnane questioned Tipp's greatness after the League final. Hes never too far from the truth.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on May 22, 2017, 07:43:47 PM
Jc i am not convinced tipp have a sticky wee f**ker as you put it.

Waterford showed last year they were much better without the sweeper so it will be interesting to see how they set up.

I still think tipp will win the ai but through having more scoring power than good defense. They really should have shored up a bit after the league final so either they haven't learnt or they can't.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: trileacman on May 23, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
Great match. The only downside being that the cork jersey is pure f**king tripe. I'd rather see the Union Jack on a cork jersey than the sponsor they have.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on May 23, 2017, 11:35:36 AM
Clare Wexford Dublin Limerick are the type of teams that will have one big performance in them and are liable, if knocked out of provincials, to do damage to one of the Top 4 in the qualifiers and then lose out in a semi final.
It is the most open Championship for years
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 23, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
Should be a right good game in Mullingar on Sunday. This article has been well circulated in the midlands and should ensure it is feisty enough.

http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/sport/251139/the-sideline-mouthpiece-if-we-can-t-beat-westmeath-we-may-as-well-give-up-hurling.html (http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/sport/251139/the-sideline-mouthpiece-if-we-can-t-beat-westmeath-we-may-as-well-give-up-hurling.html)

It'll be a long aul winter in the King's county if Westmeath do the double over them for the second year in a row...
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 23, 2017, 02:45:42 PM
f**king eejit of a piece. Westmeath beat Offaly well last year.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Lone Shark on May 23, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
Should be a right good game in Mullingar on Sunday. This article has been well circulated in the midlands and should ensure it is feisty enough.

http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/sport/251139/the-sideline-mouthpiece-if-we-can-t-beat-westmeath-we-may-as-well-give-up-hurling.html (http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/sport/251139/the-sideline-mouthpiece-if-we-can-t-beat-westmeath-we-may-as-well-give-up-hurling.html)

It'll be a long aul winter in the King's county if Westmeath do the double over them for the second year in a row...

It takes some doing to cram so much ignorance, sabotage and cowardice into the one piece. No surprise that the writer is staying anonymous for that one.

I remember being very sorry that the Express hit the wall a few years back - it was a nice read, staffed by some very good people. Clearly they've all long departed the scene. 
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 23, 2017, 05:12:07 PM
Thanks for sharing

Didn't realise Offaly people still had their county up on a pedestal like that
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Lone Shark on May 23, 2017, 06:18:48 PM
Thanks for sharing

Didn't realise Offaly people still had their county up on a pedestal like that

Offaly people don't. We've suffered enough hardships since the turn of the millenium to know better.

One cowardly moron does not speak for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on May 24, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
There are good sound hurling people in both Offaly and Westmeath who would have no time for that type of shite. Neither county has a big population and is fairly evenly split between football and hurling. Its amazing that Offaly achieved what they did in the 80s and 90s. I recall one game where they were down 9 points against Kilkenny, came back to draw and won the replay by 9
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 24, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
There are good sound hurling people in both Offaly and Westmeath who would have no time for that type of shite. Neither county has a big population and is fairly evenly split between football and hurling. Its amazing that Offaly achieved what they did in the 80s and 90s. I recall one game where they were down 9 points against Kilkenny, came back to draw and won the replay by 9
its two thirds football in westmeath I'd say
only 15 adult hurling clubs
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on May 24, 2017, 10:05:37 PM
There are good sound hurling people in both Offaly and Westmeath who would have no time for that type of shite. Neither county has a big population and is fairly evenly split between football and hurling. Its amazing that Offaly achieved what they did in the 80s and 90s. I recall one game where they were down 9 points against Kilkenny, came back to draw and won the replay by 9
its two thirds football in westmeath I'd say
only 15 adult hurling clubs

True. Geographically it's close to 50/50, but the hurling areas are more sparsely populated. Plus roughly 1/3 of the population lives in Athlone area where hurling is almost non existent.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on May 24, 2017, 10:52:18 PM
There are good sound hurling people in both Offaly and Westmeath who would have no time for that type of shite. Neither county has a big population and is fairly evenly split between football and hurling. Its amazing that Offaly achieved what they did in the 80s and 90s. I recall one game where they were down 9 points against Kilkenny, came back to draw and won the replay by 9
its two thirds football in westmeath I'd say
only 15 adult hurling clubs

True. Geographically it's close to 50/50, but the hurling areas are more sparsely populated. Plus roughly 1/3 of the population lives in Athlone area where hurling is almost non existent.
I bow to your superior knowledge of the strength of clubs in both counties. There is a good core of hurling there and you wonder what would it need to bring them on. What areclubs in big towns like Athlone Mulligar Tullamore doing to promote hurling
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 25, 2017, 12:28:14 AM
Athlone is a wasteland for hurling. I think Southern Gaels might be the only hurling club in that end of the county.

Tullamore would be decent. They won the senior championship a few years ago and provided Kevin Martin and Shane Dooley to Offaly. More of a football club but probably the most northern serious hurling club.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2017, 07:53:29 AM
Athlone is a wasteland for hurling. I think Southern Gaels might be the only hurling club in that end of the county.

Tullamore would be decent. They won the senior championship a few years ago and provided Kevin Martin and Shane Dooley to Offaly. More of a football club but probably the most northern serious hurling club.
wha?
Ballinamere/Durrow?

the population of Westmeath is quite urban - Mullingar, Athlone two large towns with two weak hurling clubs, Moate, Kinnegad with no hurling clubs

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 25, 2017, 08:04:00 AM
Ballinamere would be more the Clara side of Tullamore but I'll give you the Durrow end of the combo. But you know what I meant. Once you clear Tullamore you have places like Cappincur Daingean Edenderry, Rhode, Ballyfore, Ballycommon , Walsh Island etc. Hurling definitely a poor secondin those places.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on May 25, 2017, 10:28:29 AM
Athlone is a wasteland for hurling. I think Southern Gaels might be the only hurling club in that end of the county.

Tullamore would be decent. They won the senior championship a few years ago and provided Kevin Martin and Shane Dooley to Offaly. More of a football club but probably the most northern serious hurling club.
wha?
Ballinamere/Durrow?

the population of Westmeath is quite urban - Mullingar, Athlone two large towns with two weak hurling clubs, Moate, Kinnegad with no hurling clubs

Only 1 club in Mullingar town and they aren't terribly strong (although made county senior final in 2013) but have provided plenty of good players to the county senior team in the past 20 years. Same can't be said of Athlone.  There are a few clubs just outside Mullingar and one in particular makes plenty of use of the lack of a parish rule. So Mullingar as a whole doesn't do too badly from a hurling perspective. But with 4 football clubs (2 in town, 2 just outside) it is always the no.1 game.
Kinnegad has no club but plenty of lads from there play with Raharney, including the centre back on last nights u21 team. Moate, like the rest of that part of the county has never had any hurling tradition.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 25, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
Actually that Corner of Westmeath and Offaly would be fairly bereft of hurling. It's amazing the way it transitions. If you go from Ferbane into Ballycumber, Doon, Pullagh, Tubber, Shannonbridge there is very little hurling. Ferbane is an outpost with the Belmont club, and most of the others used to hurl with clubs like Belmont or Rynaghs. John Ryan played football with Shannonbridge and hurled with Rynaghs and played with Offaly in both. There is a couple of new amalgamations springing up to help with that. Then the west/south of Ferbane/Belmont sees the hurling really take off with Rynaghs, Birr, Kilcormac, and all the south Offaly clubs. North of Ferbane and Doon is into Westmeath, and that's the Moates, Mount Temples, Castledaly, Athlone.

A heatmap of hurling I think would be a fascinating subject, at County and Intercounty. It's in multiple pockets but is contained, and then dissipates as the football takes over.

East Galway, West/South Offaly, North Tipp, East Clare is one massive pocket. East/North Westmeath into north Meath. The Glens of Antrim and the Ards Peninsula, North Kerry, North Cork, bordering Limerick, where ironically the West of Limerick would be a football stronghold as it borders North Kerry. The south east with Kilkenny, Wexford and Waterford and Mid/South Tipp. (Although South Tipp would be the strongest Football area of Tipp, you still have Mullinahone, Killenaule etc).
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 25, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
You could almost split Laois down the centre with Portlaoise in the middle. East of Portlaoise would almost be exclusively football and west would be hurling. Obviously there would be some clubs around the middle who are both hurling and football but for most the split holds. The hurling area of Laois borders North Tipp/South Offaly.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 25, 2017, 11:52:25 AM
Actually that Corner of Westmeath and Offaly would be fairly bereft of hurling. It's amazing the way it transitions. If you go from Ferbane into Ballycumber, Doon, Pullagh, Tubber, Shannonbridge there is very little hurling. Ferbane is an outpost with the Belmont club, and most of the others used to hurl with clubs like Belmont or Rynaghs. John Ryan played football with Shannonbridge and hurled with Rynaghs and played with Offaly in both. There is a couple of new amalgamations springing up to help with that. Then the west/south of Ferbane/Belmont sees the hurling really take off with Rynaghs, Birr, Kilcormac, and all the south Offaly clubs. North of Ferbane and Doon is into Westmeath, and that's the Moates, Mount Temples, Castledaly, Athlone.

A heatmap of hurling I think would be a fascinating subject, at County and Intercounty. It's in multiple pockets but is contained, and then dissipates as the football takes over.

East Galway, West/South Offaly, North Tipp, East Clare is one massive pocket. East/North Westmeath into north Meath. The Glens of Antrim and the Ards Peninsula, North Kerry, North Cork, bordering Limerick, where ironically the West of Limerick would be a football stronghold as it borders North Kerry. The south east with Kilkenny, Wexford and Waterford and Mid/South Tipp. (Although South Tipp would be the strongest Football area of Tipp, you still have Mullinahone, Killenaule etc).
South Carlow too, MLR and St Mullin's from that end of the county anyway, but then that's bordered by Kilkenny and Wexford so no real surprise. You can almost divide Laois along a line going from Mountmellick southwards, with the east of that dominated by hurling, Portlaoise crossing over both, and the west pretty much all football. Wicklow's hurling would be mainly south of the county too with the odd outpost in Glenealy and Bray. Roscommon's hurling area stretches along the Galway border, only Roscommon Gaels and Dominic's not in that area but not really that far away either, it's non-existent north of Oran. East Cork would be dominated by hurling too? Mullinahone and Killenaule are close enough to Kilkenny whereas the further across into South Tipp you go the stronger football gets, Carrick on the Waterford border being hurling dominated too.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2017, 12:14:03 PM
It's a wonder how Ros hurling has slipped 'below' Mayo in the pecking order in Connacht. Ros, as Owenmore says has a hurling hinterland, whereas Mayo has only 2 clubs that are any good.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
It's a wonder how Ros hurling has slipped 'below' Mayo in the pecking order in Connacht. Ros, as Owenmore says has a hurling hinterland, whereas Mayo has only 2 clubs that are any good.
A lot more clubs and population?

South Westmeath did have a strong hurling tradition
Kilbeggan won a few county junior titles as did Moate as well back in the day
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Franko on May 26, 2017, 11:28:14 AM
Actually that Corner of Westmeath and Offaly would be fairly bereft of hurling. It's amazing the way it transitions. If you go from Ferbane into Ballycumber, Doon, Pullagh, Tubber, Shannonbridge there is very little hurling. Ferbane is an outpost with the Belmont club, and most of the others used to hurl with clubs like Belmont or Rynaghs. John Ryan played football with Shannonbridge and hurled with Rynaghs and played with Offaly in both. There is a couple of new amalgamations springing up to help with that. Then the west/south of Ferbane/Belmont sees the hurling really take off with Rynaghs, Birr, Kilcormac, and all the south Offaly clubs. North of Ferbane and Doon is into Westmeath, and that's the Moates, Mount Temples, Castledaly, Athlone.

A heatmap of hurling I think would be a fascinating subject, at County and Intercounty. It's in multiple pockets but is contained, and then dissipates as the football takes over.

East Galway, West/South Offaly, North Tipp, East Clare is one massive pocket. East/North Westmeath into north Meath. The Glens of Antrim and the Ards Peninsula, North Kerry, North Cork, bordering Limerick, where ironically the West of Limerick would be a football stronghold as it borders North Kerry. The south east with Kilkenny, Wexford and Waterford and Mid/South Tipp. (Although South Tipp would be the strongest Football area of Tipp, you still have Mullinahone, Killenaule etc).

Would be brilliant.  You'd think with all these 'task forces' and 'focus groups' in Croke Park working towards promotion of hurling that this sort of a chart would exist somewhere to identify target areas.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 26, 2017, 05:34:47 PM
Actually that Corner of Westmeath and Offaly would be fairly bereft of hurling. It's amazing the way it transitions. If you go from Ferbane into Ballycumber, Doon, Pullagh, Tubber, Shannonbridge there is very little hurling. Ferbane is an outpost with the Belmont club, and most of the others used to hurl with clubs like Belmont or Rynaghs. John Ryan played football with Shannonbridge and hurled with Rynaghs and played with Offaly in both. There is a couple of new amalgamations springing up to help with that. Then the west/south of Ferbane/Belmont sees the hurling really take off with Rynaghs, Birr, Kilcormac, and all the south Offaly clubs. North of Ferbane and Doon is into Westmeath, and that's the Moates, Mount Temples, Castledaly, Athlone.

A heatmap of hurling I think would be a fascinating subject, at County and Intercounty. It's in multiple pockets but is contained, and then dissipates as the football takes over.

East Galway, West/South Offaly, North Tipp, East Clare is one massive pocket. East/North Westmeath into north Meath. The Glens of Antrim and the Ards Peninsula, North Kerry, North Cork, bordering Limerick, where ironically the West of Limerick would be a football stronghold as it borders North Kerry. The south east with Kilkenny, Wexford and Waterford and Mid/South Tipp. (Although South Tipp would be the strongest Football area of Tipp, you still have Mullinahone, Killenaule etc).

Would be brilliant.  You'd think with all these 'task forces' and 'focus groups' in Croke Park working towards promotion of hurling that this sort of a chart would exist somewhere to identify target areas.
What task forces?
I think you're overestimating the top brass there
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 27, 2017, 09:52:55 PM
Offaly prevail, only just!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 27, 2017, 10:14:03 PM
Sure if that crowd bate us we might as well give it up.


What a muppet.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 04:23:53 PM
Joe Canning is playing well. All 6 Galway forwards have scored after 23 minutes
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 05:00:55 PM
Cian O'Callaghan sent off for the Dubs

1-15 to 1-08
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2017, 05:14:15 PM
Cian O'Callaghan sent off for the Dubs

1-15 to 1-08
Would a kilkenny player have got a yellow card for that?
It was very soft

Then a Dub clearly fouled by McInerney inside the area and a free out is given
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: straightred on May 28, 2017, 05:16:18 PM
Cian O'Callaghan sent off for the Dubs

1-15 to 1-08
Would a kilkenny player have got a yellow card for that?
It was very soft

Then a Dub clearly fouled by McInerney inside the area and a free out is given

yeah - v harsh on o'callaghan.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2017, 05:26:12 PM
And now the soft frees for Dublin

Barry Kelly having a mare
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: From the Bunker on May 28, 2017, 05:46:25 PM
Luckily there is never a bad game of Hurling.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Buttofthehill on May 28, 2017, 06:16:38 PM
Joe should've been sent off.

Galway never got out of 3rd gear.

Dublin will have some good players in a couple of years...can't wait to see them play football :-\
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: stiffler on May 28, 2017, 11:33:07 PM
Is hurling final fixed for thurles?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 29, 2017, 05:33:57 AM
Luckily there is never a bad game of Hurling.
Hurling has 2 advantages.  It is fast and harder to strangle with a blanket. And it is ruthlessly promoted by all of its pundits. The way they rhapsodise about the Munster championship .. Poor football has nothing to compare with that. 

https://youtu.be/XpA0oPR_EOQ
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on May 29, 2017, 03:06:50 PM
Joe should've been sent off.

Galway never got out of 3rd gear.

Dublin will have some good players in a couple of years...can't wait to see them play football :-\

It was impossible to judge Galway yesterday because of this. They never really needed to up the ante at any stage. It could be to their detriment that they have a handy route through to the Leinster final. Whoever wins between Kilkenny and Wexford will have come through a scrap in that match and be more battle ready I would think.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Duine Eile on May 29, 2017, 08:14:46 PM
Paul Killeen did his cruciate yesterday, out for the year, awful hard luck on him.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 29, 2017, 10:42:08 PM
Paul Killeen did his cruciate yesterday, out for the year, awful hard luck on him.
Poor him. Very bad luck.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on May 30, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Cathal barrett axed from tipp panel for disciplinary reasons
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Declan on May 31, 2017, 08:13:15 AM
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Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 08:16:12 AM
Those rumours I wouldn't be sure about. I saw Paudie Maher and Seamie Callinan walking from the dressing room to the field together the Friday before the Cork match, in Dr. Morris Park, and they didn't seem to be thick! There was a flaking session in training, but I'd say that's no more than the usual Yerra stuff.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Declan on May 31, 2017, 08:37:20 AM
Ah I know but you gotta amile at the rumours that circulate around when something goes wrong
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 08:41:20 AM
Tipp is brutal for that. Very like Kerry actually. Everyone accuses them of arrogance but when things go a bit wrong, there's no one harsher on their own players than themselves. You need a fair thick skin to play Hurling in Tipp or Football in Kerry.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 09:55:33 AM
Tipp is brutal for that. Very like Kerry actually. Everyone accuses them of arrogance but when things go a bit wrong, there's no one harsher on their own players than themselves. You need a fair thick skin to play Hurling in Tipp or Football in Kerry.
I wonder if that might be a recent development. They haven't been able to win back to back all Irelands since the big drought. It is more of a thing you would associate with Clare or Galway or Mayo in football
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 09:58:59 AM
Nah. Tipp being harsh on their hurlers seems to have been going on a while. They are very cutting.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on May 31, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
How come Kennedy wasn't axed with Barrett if both were on the sauce? Maybe Barrett was already on a warning....
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 10:06:22 AM
How come Kennedy wasn't axed with Barrett if both were on the sauce? Maybe Barrett was already on a warning....

All sorts of theories on that one. The most popular one is that there are at least 1 or 2 others now on a warning, and this was strike 2 for CB.

They hadn't met up since the Cork game though, so if he was on the batter before the Cork game, why did he start in that game, and if he was on the batter after the Cork game, then he was crippled anyway, so why bother?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 10:44:12 AM
Nah. Tipp being harsh on their hurlers seems to have been going on a while. They are very cutting.
That is more of a thing you would associate with counties with a weak winning tradition. Bitching , indiscipline and infighting go with dysfunction on the pitch. 

Crossmaglen are ruthless and there is zero tolerance for drinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2aCVpOCGFI
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 10:48:59 AM
No, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying the players are bitching and infighting. I'm saying the Tipperary fans love a good criticism of their players, and with added rumours is just a benefit.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
Nah. Tipp being harsh on their hurlers seems to have been going on a while. They are very cutting.
That is more of a thing you would associate with counties with a weak winning tradition. Bitching , indiscipline and infighting go with dysfunction on the pitch. 

Crossmaglen are ruthless and there is zero tolerance for drinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2aCVpOCGFI

Crossmaglen have zero tolerance for drinking? You sure about that?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 12:20:13 PM
I don't understand why fans would take down the team. Even when Galway are shite I'd still be behind them.
I just can't understand those Tipp fans the year after they won the All Ireland. And it's more than #bantz

Ryan said after the league there was a lack of focus but there is something else going on.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
I don't see the issue with lads having a few drinks once it's not 5/6 days before a big game
Maybe gaa players cannot just leave it at a few
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on May 31, 2017, 03:40:13 PM
Think the player in question has a bit (lot) of previous and maybe Ryan decided now was the time to be wise and lay down a marker.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
Great win for Westmeath U21s vs laois
Can they beat Kilkenny again??
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 01, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 01, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 02, 2017, 09:51:00 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

For off field antics?

I just thought Cody didn't fancy either as part of his master plan.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 02, 2017, 11:02:04 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

Note use of the word "rarely". Brian McEvoy, Andy Comerford, Charlie Carter and Cha Fitzpatrick together represent a tiny percentage of the players Cody has managed. And even at that, it's really only Cha whose off field antics didn't please the manager.

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?

The Stepford Wives have had the odd one too.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 02, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?


What you talking about, he's lining out for Kildare this weather..
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 03, 2017, 11:26:41 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

For off field antics?

I just thought Cody didn't fancy either as part of his master plan.

There are rumours attached to Charlie, Andy Comerford and Cha's disappearances. An important note is that these were "rumours" and never got out into the wider sphere from the Kilkenny side of things. Charlie Carter did make reference to what happened to him in his book but nothing was ever said from a Kilkenny viewpoint. He just didn't appear on the panel anymore.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?

The Stepford Wives have had the odd one too.

When did "the odd one" stop being a synonym of "rarely"?

You can keep the Stepford Wives reference too, rather have the house in order than the joke of a set up there is in Cork ::)!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 03, 2017, 01:14:29 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

For off field antics?

I just thought Cody didn't fancy either as part of his master plan.

There are rumours attached to Charlie, Andy Comerford and Cha's disappearances. An important note is that these were "rumours" and never got out into the wider sphere from the Kilkenny side of things. Charlie Carter did make reference to what happened to him in his book but nothing was ever said from a Kilkenny viewpoint. He just didn't appear on the panel anymore.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?

The Stepford Wives have had the odd one too.

When did "the odd one" stop being a synonym of "rarely"?

You can keep the Stepford Wives reference too, rather have the house in order than the joke of a set up there is in Cork ::)!
when Cody goes, it will probably fall apart
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?


What you talking about, he's lining out for Kildare this weather..

Looks like Cody got it wrong then,didn't he?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 03, 2017, 02:54:48 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

For off field antics?

I just thought Cody didn't fancy either as part of his master plan.

There are rumours attached to Charlie, Andy Comerford and Cha's disappearances. An important note is that these were "rumours" and never got out into the wider sphere from the Kilkenny side of things. Charlie Carter did make reference to what happened to him in his book but nothing was ever said from a Kilkenny viewpoint. He just didn't appear on the panel anymore.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-this-just-would-not-happen-in-kilkenny-35776951.html

Charlie Carter? Cha Fitzpatrick?

John "shortest inter county career ever" Mulhall ?

The Stepford Wives have had the odd one too.

When did "the odd one" stop being a synonym of "rarely"?

You can keep the Stepford Wives reference too, rather have the house in order than the joke of a set up there is in Cork ::)!
when Cody goes, it will probably fall apart

I wouldn't argue with that being a possibility. Certainly whoever comes after him will be on a hiding to nothing. I doubt Kilkenny will fall from grace completely but an All Ireland might be long in arriving after Cody leaves.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 04, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying

They went back a bit during the match. I can't see them going too far unless they sharpen up their free taking and puck outs. Gave away two soft enough goals too and you won't get three too regularly against the stronger teams.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 06:09:05 PM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying

They went back a bit during the match. I can't see them going too far unless they sharpen up their free taking and puck outs. Gave away two soft enough goals too and you won't get three too regularly against the stronger teams.
Tony Kelly was pretty quiet as well.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 05, 2017, 12:11:21 AM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying

They went back a bit during the match. I can't see them going too far unless they sharpen up their free taking and puck outs. Gave away two soft enough goals too and you won't get three too regularly against the stronger teams.
Tony Kelly was pretty quiet as well.

Henry was making the point on The Sunday Game that it's a mistake not to have Kelly on frees. Said having a lad on frees means he's kept in game even if they're having a quiet day and that Clare need to do that with Kelly. He didn't say those exact words but that was my reading of his point.

I'd say it's not going to be a vintage year in terms of the All Ireland winner being a team for the ages but I think it will be an interesting championship.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on June 05, 2017, 09:26:52 AM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying

They went back a bit during the match. I can't see them going too far unless they sharpen up their free taking and puck outs. Gave away two soft enough goals too and you won't get three too regularly against the stronger teams.
Tony Kelly was pretty quiet as well.

Henry was making the point on The Sunday Game that it's a mistake not to have Kelly on frees. Said having a lad on frees means he's kept in game even if they're having a quiet day and that Clare need to do that with Kelly. He didn't say those exact words but that was my reading of his point.

I'd say it's not going to be a vintage year in terms of the All Ireland winner being a team for the ages but I think it will be an interesting championship.
If Waterford can get to the level they reached last year against Kilkenny itcould be their year.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 09:27:11 AM
2 goals for Shane O'Donnell. Clare are flying

They went back a bit during the match. I can't see them going too far unless they sharpen up their free taking and puck outs. Gave away two soft enough goals too and you won't get three too regularly against the stronger teams.
Tony Kelly was pretty quiet as well.

Henry was making the point on The Sunday Game that it's a mistake not to have Kelly on frees. Said having a lad on frees means he's kept in game even if they're having a quiet day and that Clare need to do that with Kelly. He didn't say those exact words but that was my reading of his point.

I'd say it's not going to be a vintage year in terms of the All Ireland winner being a team for the ages but I think it will be an interesting championship.
it appears to be quite an open championship this year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on June 05, 2017, 08:18:51 PM
It's been shown how to get at tipp. You wonder could cody pull one out of the bag with a weak enough, for them, kilkenny team.

Clare for all their talent don't look to me like challengers.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 05, 2017, 09:32:17 PM
It's been shown how to get at tipp. You wonder could cody pull one out of the bag with a weak enough, for them, kilkenny team.

Clare for all their talent don't look to me like challengers.
the cats need a full back and chb
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on June 05, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
It's been shown how to get at tipp. You wonder could cody pull one out of the bag with a weak enough, for them, kilkenny team.

Clare for all their talent don't look to me like challengers.

It's early yet though. In 2013 Clare were awful in losing their opening game.

Surely this year one of Waterford or Galway can do it. That would be a very interesting final, speaking from a neutral perspective.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 10, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
This is on for Wexford.....
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2017, 08:14:42 PM
Kilkenny shouldn't be allowed into the qualifiers. Any county that doesn't take part in the football championship should be banned from the hurling  qualifiers.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2017, 08:34:18 PM
When is the last time the cats lost to wexford in the championship?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: From the Bunker on June 10, 2017, 08:38:08 PM
When is the last time the cats lost to wexford in the championship?

13 Years!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2017, 08:40:29 PM
This is a beautiful day

https://youtu.be/L3vvn2qOh58
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: From the Bunker on June 10, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Opens the door to a soft Leinster title for Galway!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on June 10, 2017, 09:23:35 PM
Well done Wexford
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: magpie seanie on June 10, 2017, 09:47:02 PM
Opens the door to a soft Leinster title for Galway!


They'll get nothing soft against this Wexford team. Don't think anyone will.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on June 10, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
Lee Chin is some player.
Great game and result.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: galwayman on June 10, 2017, 10:04:35 PM
Would be surprised if Galway don't beat Wexford in Croker.
To be honest this year is the best chance Galway have had in a long time to win it.
Taking into account how Kilkenny and Tipp are going in comparison to other years - Kk in particular.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: fearsiuil on June 11, 2017, 12:12:29 AM
Opens the door to a soft Leinster title for Galway!


They'll get nothing soft against this Wexford team. Don't think anyone will.
Hopefully. Running out of steam their major worry after being fitter than everyone else early on in league.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 12:16:02 AM
I fear for Wexford against Galway. Taking nothing away from their win against Kilkenny tonight, which was thoroughly deserved, a big party of it was due to Wexford's physicality and how much physically stronger they were than Kilkenny. Go the physical route against Galway and, in my opinion, they will make bits of you.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on June 11, 2017, 12:24:26 AM
On the contrary I think Galway might not be so ggod when met with with another physical team. Sure they are the better hurlers but how many times have we heard that before about Galway. If KK were in the final I would bet on Galway winning but now Im not so sure.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 01:03:49 AM
In terms of getting their game plan together, Galway blow hot and cold. In terms of physicality they are never found wanting. Time will tell but I doubt Wexford are physically strong enough to bring their bullying game, and that's not intended as an insult to Wexford as we bullied for long enough, to Galway's door.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 01:05:50 AM
Kilkenny shouldn't be allowed into the qualifiers. Any county that doesn't take part in the football championship should be banned from the hurling  qualifiers.

How about teams who don't field in the football championship being allowed into the hurling qualifiers until the day you develop the skills of thought?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2017, 02:24:59 AM
I fear for Wexford against Galway. Taking nothing away from their win against Kilkenny tonight, which was thoroughly deserved, a big party of it was due to Wexford's physicality and how much physically stronger they were than Kilkenny. Go the physical route against Galway and, in my opinion, they will make bits of you.

Strangely enough even though I think everyone presumes Galway are the biggest and most physical team in the land I think they will look to to use the open spaces of Croke Park against Davy's sweeper system. The confines of a tight provincial ground with a rabid home crowd was always going to be a tough one for KK. David Burke v Lee Chin would be worth the admission fee alone. Probably the two best midfielders in the game.

But listen Galway have to get over Offaly first.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 09:43:40 AM
I fear for Wexford against Galway. Taking nothing away from their win against Kilkenny tonight, which was thoroughly deserved, a big party of it was due to Wexford's physicality and how much physically stronger they were than Kilkenny. Go the physical route against Galway and, in my opinion, they will make bits of you.

Strangely enough even though I think everyone presumes Galway are the biggest and most physical team in the land I think they will look to to use the open spaces of Croke Park against Davy's sweeper system. The confines of a tight provincial ground with a rabid home crowd was always going to be a tough one for KK. David Burke v Lee Chin would be worth the admission fee alone. Probably the two best midfielders in the game.

But listen Galway have to get over Offaly first.

Offaly won't get within ten points of Galway.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 11, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
why is the Waterford v Cork game not on today? the other semi final was last weekend!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 11, 2017, 09:50:29 AM
Also, quality wise, I thought the game yesterday was poor enough

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
why is the Waterford v Cork game not on today? the other semi final was last weekend!!

Final isn't until 18th July so there's plenty of time to play it next week.

Also, quality wise, I thought the game yesterday was poor enough

Exciting from a point of view of tension but Kilkenny's skill level was a joke.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Bord na Mona man on June 12, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
It's 13 years since there was an Offaly-Wexford Leinster final. It would be a great clash worthy of the occasion.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on June 12, 2017, 10:26:06 AM
It's 13 years since there was an Offaly-Wexford Leinster final. It would be a great clash worthy of the occasion.

Ah but the "purists" would be saying " two poor teams only there because they beat weak teams"
Leinster need Wexford and Offaly back and maybe this is the year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on June 12, 2017, 11:55:21 AM
Whatever about Wexford, Im afraid Ofally have no hope of beating Galway
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
Two 'f's, one 'l'. Offaly.

We're shit now, but we have All Irelands, so have a bit of respect.   ;D
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 12, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
A few mates and myself are talking about heading down to the Munster hurling final this year. Any idea of the venue?
Pairc ui Chaoimh

So it will be ready?? Think I'm away.. what date?
9th July. I think they've confirmed open in June.
Finals confirmed as NOT there now as handover delayed until mid - July.

http://www.gaa.ie/news/pairc-chaoimh-reopen-mid-july/ (http://www.gaa.ie/news/pairc-chaoimh-reopen-mid-july/)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 18, 2017, 05:23:54 PM
Cork are so hungry and their defence in particular is very strong. Enjoyable game, the only thing spoiling it is Barry Kelly making  hames of things are usual and tempers getting frayed as a result. The fare these two are serving up today deserves better than his standard of officiating.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 18, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
It looks like Cork are going to win Munster.  Qualifiers will be super interesting. KK Tipp and Déise can't all make it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 18, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
If Cork can keep this level of intensity up all summer, and they're young enough to do so, they will go very close to an All Ireland. I felt Waterford were better than the scoreline suggested but they froze a bit when Cork got back in front after the goal. The qualifiers will be fascinating with three of most people's four favourites for the semis pre-championship hoping for favourable draws.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2017, 05:52:41 PM
It looks like Cork are going to win Munster.  Qualifiers will be super interesting. KK Tipp and Déise can't all make it.

Clare not turning up?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 18, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
RTÉ keep talking about the hurling qualifier draw tomorrow but my understanding is it's not until a week tomorrow because Laois could beat Carlow and they can't then play Westmeath whereas Carlow could.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 18, 2017, 07:44:50 PM
It looks like Cork are going to win Munster.  Qualifiers will be super interesting. KK Tipp and Déise can't all make it.

Clare not turning up?
Cork have the momentum
Unless Tony Kelly turns up
https://youtu.be/Kb92tJkSmrw
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 19, 2017, 09:11:08 AM
Cork can now defend with a little bit of the dark arts thrown in for good measure, Diarmuid must be finally getting through to them that the early nudge/flick/slap will work wonders under a high ball.....

They were the hungrier, faster, slicker team yesterday with Waterford's touch being slightly out, more missed lifts, catches and so forth, not to mention the horrendous shooting, 17 odd wides IIRC. Supporting Waterford must be even more frustrating that supporting Galway as even with their poor display they could have won it even if they didn't deserve to albeit Stephen O'Keffe pulled off some great saves. Big Maurice, apart from being a greedy bollox was causing problems for Cahalane but didn't get enough ball in on top of him and when they did finally start doing it he was surrounded by half the Cork team.
Harnedy shows up when Lehane struggles and Horgan is now showing the hurler he should be now that he's no longer the main man. Coleman in right half back is looking like the real deal and can take the hits when they come this way and along with ellis and Joyce look a solid enough outfit, but you'd still like to see them tested under the high ball.

Clare up next and Cork will go in as favourites, Clare will be pacey enough up front, but their defence might be a bit supsect, but Clare will fancy this one as well.
That takes me back to meeting an auld Galway lad on the Templemore road in Thurles back in the late 90's when Clare were still in their pomp up against a young, unknown Cork team. He spotted the northern reg car and made his way over for a chat. After the usual formalities about northern hurling he asked us who was going to win, we were all Clare supporters and he just gave a wry smile and his words have stuck with me ever since, "Clare are coming up hoping to win, Cork are here expecting to win" and he was proved right.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on June 19, 2017, 12:29:44 PM
Waterford were very disappointing.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on June 19, 2017, 02:07:34 PM
Really would like to see the Deise do well, like all weaker less successful teams it would be great to see them capture Liam. Feel they really missed the boat though when not putting KK to the sword last year in the drawn match. I thought also, even with the benefit of hindsight, that their body language hasn't been great since their league loss to Galway. They don't look like a settled squad, comfortable in themselves.

Not sorry for some of their online fans though; serious dose of the vapours going on in GAA Boards.ie since that Galway game. Lot of calls for McGrath to step down because he doesn't have a clue. Takes their mind for a while off whinging about how Galway always seem to be rated higher than themselves when Liam McCarthy is discussed.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on June 22, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
Just watching back highlights of cork waterford there. That gleeson point was oneof the best you would ever see. Lehane with a score as good as most you will see too.

Agree. Waterfrd disappointing. They just seem one of those teams who will threaten to make it big but never quite do. Hope i am wrong as i quite like them.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
Hurling qualifier on today Laois v Carlow

who knew!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 25, 2017, 02:18:47 PM
Hurling qualifier on today Laois v Carlow

who knew!

I did and was pissed off it was scheduled for Portlaoise as had it been in Carlow I would have gone.
 Wouldn't it make sense for the Ring Cup winner to get home advantage given they got there by winning something?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 25, 2017, 04:03:04 PM
the GAA does a lot of things that make no sense
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 25, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Carlow 1-8 Laois 0-9 half time, Laois down to 14 men.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 25, 2017, 05:05:22 PM
Laois 2-14 Carlow 1-16, full time. According to the KCLR commentary, Carlow had it there for the taking but threw it away.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 25, 2017, 05:16:37 PM
Hurling qualifier pots complete. Limerick,Tipp,Waterford & Laois in one pot. Westmeath,Offaly,Kilkenny & Dublin in other pot. Draw tomorrow at 8:35am

Laois and Westmeath can't be drawn against each other
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 25, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
Hurling qualifier pots complete. Limerick,Tipp,Waterford & Laois in one pot. Westmeath,Offaly,Kilkenny & Dublin in other pot. Draw tomorrow at 8:35am

Laois and Westmeath can't be drawn against each other

I put the teams and their pots into a tool I have for deciding cup fixtures and this is what came out (home team first):

Waterford v Dublin
Westmeath v Limerick
Kilkenny v Laois
Tipperary v Offaly

What I noticed was there is a strong possibility of four one-sided matches coming out.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 25, 2017, 08:50:58 PM
Jesus I hope not Tipp and Offaly.  They played a challenge match before Offaly played Galway and Tipp scored 8 22.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Rossie11 on June 26, 2017, 08:46:26 AM
Dublin v Laois

Kilkenny v Limerick

Offaly v Waterford

Tipperary v Westmeath
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on June 26, 2017, 08:57:36 AM
Dublin v Laois

Kilkenny v Limerick

Offaly v Waterford

Tipperary v Westmeath
Fix!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 26, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
Best draw Kilkenny could have hoped for. Waterford or Tipperary could easily put them out altogether and they'd be unlikely to learn anything from Laois. Limerick whilst being unexpected to beat Kilkenny, especially at Nowlan Park, will surely give them a good rattle and from that you can learn more about where you are.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 10:41:31 AM
Tipp will be happy with that, but it's probably going to make for a dinger of a second round. Tipperary, Kilkenny (although I wouldn't write off Limerick if Kilkenny are not at it), Dublin/Laois and Waterford would make for some tasty games.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
Not the worst draw, Kilkenny wont get it all their own way, Dubs should just have enough to beat Laois, but Laois should be on a high after winning at the weekend and the extra game will have done them no harm...

Tipp will win by as many as they want and Waterford shouldn't have too many problems v Offaly, even with it being an away fixture, Offaly do the odd shock every now and again but have just lost all confidence in themselves of late

is a re draw again after that for the next round?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 26, 2017, 11:14:41 AM
Tipp will be happy with that, but it's probably going to make for a dinger of a second round. Tipperary, Kilkenny (although I wouldn't write off Limerick if Kilkenny are not at it), Dublin/Laois and Waterford would make for some tasty games.

Laois will fancy a rattle at the Dubs I'd have thought and if that's in Parnell the tighter confines might suit Laois better than Dublin, this one might be a bit closer than a lot of people might think, although Laois did seem to make hard work of Carlow although they were a man down for a good bit of it. They'll need to raise their game bit Dublin are no big shakes either.

Limerick are a strange crowd and maybe after reading a few articles (in TJ Ryan's tenure in all fairness) about this high tech backroom team with all the bells and whistles, they've maybe lost sight that you still need to go out and play the game in front of you. Seamus Hickey's head seems to have returned to planet earth and had a good game in the loss to Clare and they're a big, physical unit, especially a lot of their young forwards and need to get about Kilkenny like the Wexford lads did. Kilkenny will want a good start and in Nowlan park where the fans are fattened on victories if Limerick can upset that I can see the crowd get on the back of the Kilkenny players whose confidence can only be but fragile. Big games are needed from Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy, TJ Reid and Colin Fennelly to steady the ship.
Still think we'll see Kilkenny survive, but you'd hope Limerick open up the shoulders and go for it.

Hard to see anything other than Tipp and Waterford wins in the other two.
Westmeath will come up well short (as will most teams when Tipp get going) and they deserve to be there but we'll end up with the normal conundrum of how do the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Carlow, Antrim and even Offaly close that gap on the bigger counties when the resources are much less. Dublin kinda got themselves in the mix, but even they're struggling to maintain the work required at underage that needs to be sustained to properly develop.


Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
There's a fabulous new development in Kilcormac for Offaly teams now. Faithful Fields it's called. In and of itself it's not going to make Offaly better, but it will help a lot. There are footballers and hurlers in Offaly, but we are not prepared well, are not focussed, and are not able to afford big name managers. It's going to take time, and it's going to take a lot of hard work.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 26, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Not the worst draw, Kilkenny wont get it all their own way, Dubs should just have enough to beat Laois, but Laois should be on a high after winning at the weekend and the extra game will have done them no harm...

Tipp will win by as many as they want and Waterford shouldn't have too many problems v Offaly, even with it being an away fixture, Offaly do the odd shock every now and again but have just lost all confidence in themselves of late

is a re draw again after that for the next round?

Yes, it's a redraw for the next round. I think it's an open draw too, unless by a miracle both Laois and Westmeath get through. There almost certainly will be a clash of the big guns in the second phase - Kilkenny/Waterford/Tipperary v Waterford/Tipperary/Kilkenny.



    Tipp will be happy with that, but it's probably going to make for a dinger of a second round. Tipperary, Kilkenny (although I wouldn't write off Limerick if Kilkenny are not at it), Dublin/Laois and Waterford would make for some tasty games.


Laois will fancy a rattle at the Dubs I'd have thought and if that's in Parnell the tighter confines might suit Laois better than Dublin, this one might be a bit closer than a lot of people might think, although Laois did seem to make hard work of Carlow although they were a man down for a good bit of it. They'll need to raise their game bit Dublin are no big shakes either.

Limerick are a strange crowd and maybe after reading a few articles (in TJ Ryan's tenure in all fairness) about this high tech backroom team with all the bells and whistles, they've maybe lost sight that you still need to go out and play the game in front of you. Seamus Hickey's head seems to have returned to planet earth and had a good game in the loss to Clare and they're a big, physical unit, especially a lot of their young forwards and need to get about Kilkenny like the Wexford lads did. Kilkenny will want a good start and in Nowlan park where the fans are fattened on victories if Limerick can upset that I can see the crowd get on the back of the Kilkenny players whose confidence can only be but fragile. Big games are needed from Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy, TJ Reid and Colin Fennelly to steady the ship.
Still think we'll see Kilkenny survive, but you'd hope Limerick open up the shoulders and go for it.

Hard to see anything other than Tipp and Waterford wins in the other two.
Westmeath will come up well short (as will most teams when Tipp get going) and they deserve to be there but we'll end up with the normal conundrum of how do the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Carlow, Antrim and even Offaly close that gap on the bigger counties when the resources are much less. Dublin kinda got themselves in the mix, but even they're struggling to maintain the work required at underage that needs to be sustained to properly develop.


Tipp will be happy with that, but it's probably going to make for a dinger of a second round. Tipperary, Kilkenny (although I wouldn't write off Limerick if Kilkenny are not at it), Dublin/Laois and Waterford would make for some tasty games.

Laois will fancy a rattle at the Dubs I'd have thought and if that's in Parnell the tighter confines might suit Laois better than Dublin, this one might be a bit closer than a lot of people might think, although Laois did seem to make hard work of Carlow although they were a man down for a good bit of it. They'll need to raise their game bit Dublin are no big shakes either.

Limerick are a strange crowd and maybe after reading a few articles (in TJ Ryan's tenure in all fairness) about this high tech backroom team with all the bells and whistles, they've maybe lost sight that you still need to go out and play the game in front of you. Seamus Hickey's head seems to have returned to planet earth and had a good game in the loss to Clare and they're a big, physical unit, especially a lot of their young forwards and need to get about Kilkenny like the Wexford lads did. Kilkenny will want a good start and in Nowlan park where the fans are fattened on victories if Limerick can upset that I can see the crowd get on the back of the Kilkenny players whose confidence can only be but fragile. Big games are needed from Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy, TJ Reid and Colin Fennelly to steady the ship.
Still think we'll see Kilkenny survive, but you'd hope Limerick open up the shoulders and go for it.

Hard to see anything other than Tipp and Waterford wins in the other two.
Westmeath will come up well short (as will most teams when Tipp get going) and they deserve to be there but we'll end up with the normal conundrum of how do the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Carlow, Antrim and even Offaly close that gap on the bigger counties when the resources are much less. Dublin kinda got themselves in the mix, but even they're struggling to maintain the work required at underage that needs to be sustained to properly develop.

Limerick can beat Kilkenny. No doubt about that. I think it being in Nowlan Park will mean it's almost beyond their reach, I'd have given them a much better chance at home, but Kilkenny are not motoring and if Limerick put it up to them until close to the end I think the players that are there now could find it too much.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
After all the hype the draw turned out to be a right anti-climax in the end. KK v Limerick the only half interesting tie. Just about. Although the next round can't help but have at least two big guns against each other now.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on June 26, 2017, 06:16:58 PM
So Laois hurling and football senior teams playing on Saturday and they decide to play the games in different venues.
f**king joke.
Sure it would make too much sense to play both in Portlaoise.
Muppets.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 26, 2017, 06:23:49 PM
So Laois hurling and football senior teams playing on Saturday and they decide to play the games in different venues.
f**king joke.
Sure it would make too much sense to play both in Portlaoise.
Muppets.

In fairness the venues are due to the luck of the draw. That they could have been played on different days or with enough time for supporters to get from one ground to another is a different story.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 06:32:45 PM
That has happened Offaly numerous times.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 09:33:20 PM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on June 27, 2017, 10:53:25 PM
Old story, not new. Could be a couple of others up before the beak also tho'.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 12:23:14 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 01:22:01 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
he was thinking of the gate receipts

this is the man who stopped the whole minor hurling squad getting gear last year because of the actions of one or two players
yet, when a county senior football was involved in an incident earlier this year it was all brushed under the carpet
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on June 28, 2017, 01:59:38 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
he was thinking of the gate receipts

this is the man who stopped the whole minor hurling squad getting gear last year because of the actions of one or two players
yet, when a county senior football was involved in an incident earlier this year it was all brushed under the carpet

In what way was it brushed under the carpet? It has nothing to do with the GAA. The player voluntarily left the panel, but he was under no obligation to. The county board acted correctly in this instance, by doing nothing. Players are not their employees and what they do at 3am on a night out is not their responsibility.

The jersey situation however, was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
he was thinking of the gate receipts

this is the man who stopped the whole minor hurling squad getting gear last year because of the actions of one or two players
yet, when a county senior football was involved in an incident earlier this year it was all brushed under the carpet

No doubt he was and hence why I suggested that maybe a little recompense to Tipp might sway their decision.

Gate money, would Westmeath not only be entitled to the 10% for hosting and the rest fed into Croke Park for distribution later on?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
he was thinking of the gate receipts

this is the man who stopped the whole minor hurling squad getting gear last year because of the actions of one or two players
yet, when a county senior football was involved in an incident earlier this year it was all brushed under the carpet

In what way was it brushed under the carpet? It has nothing to do with the GAA. The player voluntarily left the panel, but he was under no obligation to. The county board acted correctly in this instance, by doing nothing. Players are not their employees and what they do at 3am on a night out is not their responsibility.

The jersey situation however, was ridiculous.
how much was the venue paid not to pursue damages?
Sheridan wants every cent for a bigger chair
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on June 28, 2017, 04:30:50 PM
Tipp refusing to reverse the fixture with Westmeath. It would have been a nice gesture if they had, but it is their right.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272273)
huge siege mentality

Westmeath waiting in the long grass!!!

Sean Sheridan was thinking of the bottom line
Westmeath will actually be better off playing in Semple with the larger pitch

I don't think it'll matter where its played TBH and I'm sure Sheridan if he was genuine as using it as an occasion to promote hurling in the county could have come up with some agreement to compensate Tipp for the additional costs they'd incur.
he was thinking of the gate receipts

this is the man who stopped the whole minor hurling squad getting gear last year because of the actions of one or two players
yet, when a county senior football was involved in an incident earlier this year it was all brushed under the carpet

In what way was it brushed under the carpet? It has nothing to do with the GAA. The player voluntarily left the panel, but he was under no obligation to. The county board acted correctly in this instance, by doing nothing. Players are not their employees and what they do at 3am on a night out is not their responsibility.

The jersey situation however, was ridiculous.
how much was the venue paid not to pursue damages?
Sheridan wants every cent for a bigger chair

I wasn't aware of any payments made. If any were made by the county board then that's ridiculous and unnecessary, as it has nothing to do with them. When you said it was brushed under the carpet by the county board, I thought you meant the fact that they didn't release a detailed statement on it. If they are hiding the payment of some hush money then that's a different story.

Anyway, this is definitely off topic!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Syferus on June 29, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
Tipp doing themselves no favours, as usual.

As if many of them are bothered even attending it. GAA fraternity my arse.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 29, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
Tipp doing themselves no favours, as usual.

As if many of them are bothered even attending it. GAA fraternity my arse.

Not up to Tipp County Board to do anyone any favors bar Tipperary Hurling

Maybe if Croke Park had a clause inserted in the first round qualifiers that if 1B teams would have home advantage if they were playing 1A teams,then that issue would be resolved before it arose.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 30, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?

Brutal stuff. Gambling addiction apparently. Not playing on Sunday, and should be dropped off the panel post haste.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 30, 2017, 12:07:47 PM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?

Brutal stuff. Gambling addiction apparently. Not playing on Sunday, and should be dropped off the panel post haste.
its a very common issue

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 30, 2017, 12:18:12 PM
It is, it's frightening. But robbing an elderly man, when you are in a position of trust, is beyond the pale.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on June 30, 2017, 02:01:01 PM
It is, it's frightening. But robbing an elderly man, when you are in a position of trust, is beyond the pale.

Has it went to court yet? I knew he was charged at the tail end of last year.

Desperate stuff altogether.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on June 30, 2017, 02:02:58 PM
He pleaded guilty on Monday or Tuesday there. 3.5 years suspended sentence.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on June 30, 2017, 07:19:02 PM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?

Brutal stuff. Gambling addiction apparently. Not playing on Sunday, and should be dropped off the panel post haste.
its a very common issue

Stealing money off an old man ?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on June 30, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
Both the new and old stands are sold out in Nowlan Park tomorrow. Should be a good atmosphere.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 30, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?

Brutal stuff. Gambling addiction apparently. Not playing on Sunday, and should be dropped off the panel post haste.
its a very common issue

Stealing money off an old man ?
no that's abhorrent behaviour

gambling.
second county player in court in the past few months over stealing to cover his gambling addiction
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on June 30, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
What's the weird, scummy story with the Tipp keeper about? Stealing 32 grand off an old man? And he's going to play on Sunday?

Brutal stuff. Gambling addiction apparently. Not playing on Sunday, and should be dropped off the panel post haste.
its a very common issue

Stealing money off an old man ?
no that's abhorrent behaviour

gambling.
second county player in court in the past few months over stealing to cover his gambling addiction

There are sc**bag county players, they seem to get more of a pass though with some when something like this happens. It then becomes an "addiction" or an "illness", only after they are caught though.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2017, 12:07:45 AM
The amount of advertising the gambling companies do is unbelievable, not to mention the sponsorship. Gambling is an epidemic at this stage, you rarely talk about a game without referring to the odds and then it's so easy to add money to your account and bet on literally anything. Govts and sporting associations need to do something to stem this ASAP but you rarely hear from either on it
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 11:09:22 AM
The amount of advertising the gambling companies do is unbelievable, not to mention the sponsorship. Gambling is an epidemic at this stage, you rarely talk about a game without referring to the odds and then it's so easy to add money to your account and bet on literally anything. Govts and sporting associations need to do something to stem this ASAP but you rarely hear from either on it

I'm not excusing what Darren Gleeson has done, it's disgusting. However, there is a worrying trend among sportspeople, especially so, it would seem, in the GAA towards gambling addiction. In some ways, what Gleeson has done is easier to come back from than Cathal McCarron's situation. Gleeson will lead a period of deep shame and will likely be ostracised for a time by people in his community. He can, in time, rebuild his life though and come back from this and eventually it will become yesterday's news. McCarron's video will be there for all to see for the rest of his life. I know he has family issues but that's his own business. Arguably, what McCarron did was victimless but he'll probably end up paying a heavier price than Gleeson.

The sad reality of both situations though is that these are the tip of the iceberg. There are plenty of people with gambling addictions who don't cross moral boundaries. Oisín McConville is a good example within GAA circles. It's high time the GAA and the GPA seriously tackled this issue and the problem of the extremely high levels of pressure put on intercounty players whilst still being expected to live normal lives. Other sports are not immune but professional players have circles around them of constant attention to their every need.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2017, 01:17:05 PM
It's not just players either, I'd safely say gambling is more widespread now than it's ever been
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2017, 01:50:56 PM
The amount of advertising the gambling companies do is unbelievable, not to mention the sponsorship. Gambling is an epidemic at this stage, you rarely talk about a game without referring to the odds and then it's so easy to add money to your account and bet on literally anything. Govts and sporting associations need to do something to stem this ASAP but you rarely hear from either on it

I'm not excusing what Darren Gleeson has done, it's disgusting. However, there is a worrying trend among sportspeople, especially so, it would seem, in the GAA towards gambling addiction. In some ways, what Gleeson has done is easier to come back from than Cathal McCarron's situation. Gleeson will lead a period of deep shame and will likely be ostracised for a time by people in his community. He can, in time, rebuild his life though and come back from this and eventually it will become yesterday's news. McCarron's video will be there for all to see for the rest of his life. I know he has family issues but that's his own business. Arguably, what McCarron did was victimless but he'll probably end up paying a heavier price than Gleeson.

The sad reality of both situations though is that these are the tip of the iceberg. There are plenty of people with gambling addictions who don't cross moral boundaries. Oisín McConville is a good example within GAA circles. It's high time the GAA and the GPA seriously tackled this issue and the problem of the extremely high levels of pressure put on intercounty players whilst still being expected to live normal lives. Other sports are not immune but professional players have circles around them of constant attention to their every need.
Gambling is basically unregulated in Ireland with its laissez faire approach.  The big betting companies are all merging with each other to try to squeeze more profit out. A certain proportion of people are vulnerable to addiction and there is more or less no protection for them. If you can name 3 or 4 GAA victims,  imagine how many civilian families are impacted.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on July 01, 2017, 07:41:48 PM
HT
Dublin 0-12
Laois  0-11
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
The amount of advertising the gambling companies do is unbelievable, not to mention the sponsorship. Gambling is an epidemic at this stage, you rarely talk about a game without referring to the odds and then it's so easy to add money to your account and bet on literally anything. Govts and sporting associations need to do something to stem this ASAP but you rarely hear from either on it

I'm not excusing what Darren Gleeson has done, it's disgusting. However, there is a worrying trend among sportspeople, especially so, it would seem, in the GAA towards gambling addiction. In some ways, what Gleeson has done is easier to come back from than Cathal McCarron's situation. Gleeson will lead a period of deep shame and will likely be ostracised for a time by people in his community. He can, in time, rebuild his life though and come back from this and eventually it will become yesterday's news. McCarron's video will be there for all to see for the rest of his life. I know he has family issues but that's his own business. Arguably, what McCarron did was victimless but he'll probably end up paying a heavier price than Gleeson.

The sad reality of both situations though is that these are the tip of the iceberg. There are plenty of people with gambling addictions who don't cross moral boundaries. Oisín McConville is a good example within GAA circles. It's high time the GAA and the GPA seriously tackled this issue and the problem of the extremely high levels of pressure put on intercounty players whilst still being expected to live normal lives. Other sports are not immune but professional players have circles around them of constant attention to their every need.
Gambling is basically unregulated in Ireland with its laissez faire approach.  The big betting companies are all merging with each other to try to squeeze more profit out. A certain proportion of people are vulnerable to addiction and there is more or less no protection for them. If you can name 3 or 4 GAA victims,  imagine how many civilian families are impacted.

Not saying that civilians are immune to it. It's obviously a far bigger issue than we know about. Top GAA players are celebrities in Ireland though and subsequently accessing help is not as easy as for an unknown. It's not simple for a Joe Bloggs either but imagine accessing help knowing everyone will know who you are and probably a reasonable amount about your private life. That's one of the reasons the GAA and GPA need to do something.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
HT
Dublin 0-12
Laois  0-11
Bad day for Laois
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Mick Fennelly had a huge match, so did Walter Walsh. Overall I'd be nervous ahead of next week though as the general performance was poor again. Richie Hogan looks finished and hasn't hurled well for nearly two years.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 01, 2017, 10:06:57 PM
Mick Fennelly had a huge match, so did Walter Walsh. Overall I'd be nervous ahead of next week though as the general performance was poor again. Richie Hogan looks finished and hasn't hurled well for nearly two years.

Tipp were dire today. Absolutely cat. Callanan got roasted by the Westmeath full back. Niall o meara was the best forward and then he broke his ankle. It could be curtains next weekend.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on July 01, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
Mick Fennelly had a huge match, so did Walter Walsh. Overall I'd be nervous ahead of next week though as the general performance was poor again. Richie Hogan looks finished and hasn't hurled well for nearly two years.

Tipp were dire today. Absolutely cat. Callanan got roasted by the Westmeath full back. Niall o meara was the best forward and then he broke his ankle. It could be curtains next weekend.

In Callanan's defence Tommy Doyle is absolute class. He'd already be an all-star if he was from a top 8 county. And would retire with about 5 of them. There is not a team in the country that he wouldn't be a guaranteed starter on.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on July 02, 2017, 12:28:09 AM
Mick Fennelly had a huge match, so did Walter Walsh. Overall I'd be nervous ahead of next week though as the general performance was poor again. Richie Hogan looks finished and hasn't hurled well for nearly two years.

I see he has packed in work, well teaching, to maximise his hurling hcareer
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 02, 2017, 04:43:49 PM
I'd worry for Wexford in the second half. Galway haven't hurled but are still three ahead. They'll hit a purple patch at some point.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on July 02, 2017, 04:46:49 PM
Wexford are borderline too fired up. Galway just that bit better- so far anyway. I think wexford would need a goal but they are asking a few questions of galway and galway's forward, cooneys aside, not answering too well.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2017, 05:15:09 PM
Galway are motoring now
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 02, 2017, 05:29:21 PM
Galway of Connacht, kings of Leinster once again.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 02, 2017, 05:43:23 PM
Galway would want to sharpen up a fair bit if they want to win an All Ireland. Overall they were quite poor today, the Cooneys and Canning aside. They're playing more as individuals than a team and that's going to give them trouble against better teams. Until today I thought it was Galway's All Ireland to lose, now I'm very interested in seeing Cork next week.

Great season for Wexford but a bridge too far for this season. If they keep their heads though and don't dwell on this defeat they could still have a say later in the year and certainly develop further in future years.

On another level, it shows how far behind the pace Kilkenny are that the team who beat them got hammered by an All Ireland contender.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 02, 2017, 06:27:17 PM
Will Wexford bring that sort of crowd to Croke park again any time soon?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 02, 2017, 07:14:22 PM
Some crowd in HQ, 60,000 for a Leinster Hurling final is fantastic.

A brilliant second half by the Galway half back line gave them the platform to dominate the second half.

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Will Wexford bring that sort of crowd to Croke park again any time soon?
They will improve 
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2017, 12:35:48 AM
if the Hill was open there would have been a bigger crowd
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: MoChara on July 03, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
Mick Fennelly had a huge match, so did Walter Walsh. Overall I'd be nervous ahead of next week though as the general performance was poor again. Richie Hogan looks finished and hasn't hurled well for nearly two years.

Richie Hogan was on one of those podcasts saying he'd just got injections in his back and was feeling much freer so he might come good again or he might just be feeling better for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
Áth Cliath v Tiobraid Árann

Port Lairge v Cill Chainnigh
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2017, 09:06:16 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 03, 2017, 09:11:09 AM
I'd imagine Tipp and Dublin will be in Portlaoise or maybe in Nowlan Park. Kilkenny and Waterford will probably be Thurles or Wexford.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 09:17:36 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?

I heard they're in Thurles.

Strange how Kilkenny always get the trickier draws in qualifiers. Tipperary and Waterford in 2013, Limerick and Waterford this year. Tipp got the handy route.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?

I heard they're in Thurles.

Strange how Kilkenny always get the trickier draws in qualifiers. Tipperary and Waterford in 2013, Limerick and Waterford this year. Tipp got the handy route.

Yep croke park are pushing hard to have a double header in thurles...no chance of getting to both football and hurling games. Hopefully both games will be on tv.  Couldnt have asked for a better draw
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 09:26:45 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?

I heard they're in Thurles.

Strange how Kilkenny always get the trickier draws in qualifiers. Tipperary and Waterford in 2013, Limerick and Waterford this year. Tipp got the handy route.

Yep croke park are pushing hard to have a double header in thurles...no chance of getting to both football and hurling games. Hopefully both games will be on tv.  Couldnt have asked for a better draw

I heard that the only way they wouldn't be in Thurles was if Tipp drew Waterford. The GAA love Semple Stadium for some reason, maybe the geography. Personally I think it's a dung heap of a venue with the only thing going for it being its size.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 09:33:01 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?

I heard they're in Thurles.

Strange how Kilkenny always get the trickier draws in qualifiers. Tipperary and Waterford in 2013, Limerick and Waterford this year. Tipp got the handy route.

Yep croke park are pushing hard to have a double header in thurles...no chance of getting to both football and hurling games. Hopefully both games will be on tv.  Couldnt have asked for a better draw

I heard that the only way they wouldn't be in Thurles was if Tipp drew Waterford. The GAA love Semple Stadium for some reason, maybe the geography. Personally I think it's a dung heap of a venue with the only thing going for it being its size.

The pitch isnt to worse!! and square is ideal for big games. Would be some irony if dublin came out giving out about tipp having home advantage given their footballers situation!! I wont get to the hurling, personally dont mind where its played, portlaoise would be the sensible option
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 09:39:36 AM
Limerick could all too easily beaten KK on Saturday evening IF some of their players had taken the right options at the right times. Sloppy passes when trying to close the gap meant lost momentum and allowed a lackluster Kilkenny to keep popping over the points.
Mick Fennelly proved to be the difference.

Onwards to Waterford who've also to find themselves this summer. 
Tipp to ease up another gear against the Dubs.

Are both these games in Cork?

I heard they're in Thurles.

Strange how Kilkenny always get the trickier draws in qualifiers. Tipperary and Waterford in 2013, Limerick and Waterford this year. Tipp got the handy route.

Yep croke park are pushing hard to have a double header in thurles...no chance of getting to both football and hurling games. Hopefully both games will be on tv.  Couldnt have asked for a better draw

I heard that the only way they wouldn't be in Thurles was if Tipp drew Waterford. The GAA love Semple Stadium for some reason, maybe the geography. Personally I think it's a dung heap of a venue with the only thing going for it being its size.

The pitch isnt to worse!! and square is ideal for big games. Would be some irony if dublin came out giving out about tipp having home advantage given their footballers situation!! I wont get to the hurling, personally dont mind where its played, portlaoise would be the sensible option

In terms of size, there's a reasonable chance Portlaoise wouldn't be big enough. I get the feeling there's a vibe in Kilkenny that the current team is finished and people are going to travel to support it. Waterford will probably come in numbers too because this is the best chance they've had in a long time of beating Kilkenny in the championship. Even if ten thousand travelled from both those counties it would be a squeeze to get the Dublin and Tipperary supporters into O'Moore Park.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 09:46:37 AM
kilkenny waterford is def on in thurles, tipp dublin likely yo be there from whats being said, portlaoise would be the other option for tipp dublin stand alone game
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 09:50:40 AM
kilkenny waterford is def on in thurles, tipp dublin likely yo be there from whats being said, portlaoise would be the other option for tipp dublin stand alone game

The GAA want, and have had for the past few seasons, double headers for the second round of the qualifiers. The only problem is Tipp are in them but, as you said, if Dublin start moaning about home advantage it's a pure cheek. Much as I'd like to see them beat ye, and holding it in Semple Stadium negates whatever possibility of that there is, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 09:56:26 AM
kilkenny waterford is def on in thurles, tipp dublin likely yo be there from whats being said, portlaoise would be the other option for tipp dublin stand alone game

The GAA want, and have had for the past few seasons, double headers for the second round of the qualifiers. The only problem is Tipp are in them but, as you said, if Dublin start moaning about home advantage it's a pure cheek. Much as I'd like to see them beat ye, and holding it in Semple Stadium negates whatever possibility of that there is, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

We played them in a hurling 1/4 final in thurles in 2014
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 03, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
I love Thurles for big hurling matches. The pitch is beautiful and the capacity is good. They could do with renovating the stands alright, so if the GAA love it so much maybe they'll take that as their next capital project. For some reason they seem to want about 25 40,000 capacity stadiums in Munster alone.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 10:21:30 AM
Another reason for double header in thurles, investment was made to use hawkeye there, in the end didnt make much difference but you see the wrong call from the umpire at the weekend in galway wexford that was overturned, in a knockout game could be crucial
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 03, 2017, 12:53:33 PM
Confirmed double header Saturday evening in Thurles. Tipp v Dublin at 5pm Waterford v Kilkenny at 7pm
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
Confirmed double header Saturday evening in Thurles. Tipp v Dublin at 5pm Waterford v Kilkenny at 7pm

Where are you seeing it's confirmed? I've gone to the usual websites and nothing there yet.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 03, 2017, 01:02:01 PM
Tweet from Stephen Gleeson

Tipp Fm Sport in the last few mins

Surprised at Dublin TBH
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2017, 01:06:02 PM
Confirmed double header Saturday evening in Thurles. Tipp v Dublin at 5pm Waterford v Kilkenny at 7pm

Where are you seeing it's confirmed? I've gone to the usual websites and nothing there yet.

On GAA.ie as well.

second game on Sky FFS.

Cody is on the phone to Brian Gavin to ensure he's available to referee. GAA not confirming till Cody gets back to them  ;)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Tweet from Stephen Gleeson

Tipp Fm Sport in the last few mins

Surprised at Dublin TBH

Not saying he's not right but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere official yet.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 01:10:11 PM
Confirmed double header Saturday evening in Thurles. Tipp v Dublin at 5pm Waterford v Kilkenny at 7pm

Where are you seeing it's confirmed? I've gone to the usual websites and nothing there yet.

On GAA.ie as well.

second game on Sky FFS.

Cody is on the phone to Brian Gavin to ensure he's available to referee. GAA not confirming till Cody gets back to them  ;)

Not that I can see.

Would that be because Gavin is one of the few to referee Kilkenny fairly?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 01:11:37 PM
Rte showing mayo clare, tipp game not on tv at all. Pain in the hole, wouldve been grand pull in on the way back from cavan to watch it
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 01:14:33 PM
Rte showing mayo clare, tipp game not on tv at all. Pain in the hole, wouldve been grand pull in on the way back from cavan to watch it

Are you more of a football man? Would've thought the vast majority of Tipp people will be at the hurling.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 03, 2017, 01:15:08 PM
Tweet from Stephen Gleeson

Tipp Fm Sport in the last few mins

Surprised at Dublin TBH

Not saying he's not right but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere official yet.

Confirmed by the GAA in the last 15 mins
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 03, 2017, 01:16:19 PM
Rte showing mayo clare, tipp game not on tv at all. Pain in the hole, wouldve been grand pull in on the way back from cavan to watch it

Are you more of a football man? Would've thought the vast majority of Tipp people will be at the hurling.

Yeah i am, would follow and go to both hurling and football but football would always take priority. And yep, the vast majority will be at the hurling, hopefully wont be the end of both teams seasons saturday
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
Rte showing mayo clare, tipp game not on tv at all. Pain in the hole, wouldve been grand pull in on the way back from cavan to watch it

Are you more of a football man? Would've thought the vast majority of Tipp people will be at the hurling.

Yeah i am, would follow and go to both hurling and football but football would always take priority. And yep, the vast majority will be at the hurling, hopefully will be the end of both teams seasons saturday

Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Rte showing mayo clare, tipp game not on tv at all. Pain in the hole, wouldve been grand pull in on the way back from cavan to watch it

Are you more of a football man? Would've thought the vast majority of Tipp people will be at the hurling.

Yeah i am, would follow and go to both hurling and football but football would always take priority. And yep, the vast majority will be at the hurling, hopefully will be the end of both teams seasons saturday

Fixed  ;D


http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/all-ireland-shc-round-qualifier-draw/ (http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/all-ireland-shc-round-qualifier-draw/)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 01:24:47 PM
It's on the GAA's twitter site.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Bord na Mona man on July 03, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
If Waterford don't beat Kilkenny this time, they may as well switch to football.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: shark on July 03, 2017, 04:11:48 PM
If Waterford don't beat Kilkenny this time, they may as well switch to football.

Some counties try and do both  ;)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 03, 2017, 04:26:49 PM
If Waterford don't beat Kilkenny this time, they may as well switch to football.

Some counties try and do both  ;)

So do Kilkenny...

http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/news/read/id/2017 (http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/news/read/id/2017)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Roashter on July 03, 2017, 11:27:38 PM
Cork beat Tipp in the minor this evening in front of official attendance of 8,142!!
That's a phenomenal crowd for a minor game on a Monday evening.
And word on the street is that Thurles will be full on Sunday with over 70% clad in the blood & bandages. Expectation is high down south.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 04, 2017, 08:51:59 AM
karma is a bitch for the Dubs

they've been playing football games at home for years
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 07, 2017, 08:41:23 AM
Cork beat Tipp in the minor this evening in front of official attendance of 8,142!!
That's a phenomenal crowd for a minor game on a Monday evening.
And word on the street is that Thurles will be full on Sunday with over 70% clad in the blood & bandages. Expectation is high down south.

Munster final sold out allegedly.

Did wee Pat Fitz make a balls of the ticket allocation in Clare. He only asked for 1400 I read somewhere.

Cork have got their gander up and their hurlers carry a (fair weather) support that only the Dublin footballers could compete with. The GAA coffers will want to see them in Croke Park in August.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 07, 2017, 12:28:54 PM
Clare lads are getting excited about Sunday and think they can spoil the Cork celebrations, but have they shown enough to date to suggest that they can?

They played in fits and starts against Limerick but looked comfortable enough but will need to put together a 70 minutes that they haven't mustered since 2013. Forwards wise they're pretty handy, Colm Galvin, O'Donnell, Kelly, Conlan, Podge Collins and a few others who probably haven't brought their U21 form to senior like Cunningham and Shangher. Problem will be how much pressure the same set of forwards are prepared to put on the Cork defence when they have the ball to make life easier for their own defence who may be a bit shaky. Cork forwards barring Harnedy aren't known for winning the 50/50's.
The expectations are very high in Cork considering where this team was 5 or 6 weeks ago, and a win is expected for the 40 odd thousand Corkonians making their way to Thurles. That normally would have a detrimental impact on a young hurler burdened with the added pressure, but Cork are Cork booy.

It could be an interesting tussle.

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 07, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
If Tony Kelly hurls, Clare have a great chance, but he's not been himself since he came back from Ballyea.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2017, 09:33:02 PM
Clare have underperformed since last winning the All Ireland... built up a bitta form so it should be a tight affair
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2017, 12:25:15 PM
Clare have a lot of talent but have been disappointing this last few years. I thought when they dropped the sweeper system they would open up but haven't.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
Can't see anything other than a Tipp win tonight. In our qualifier I think we'll start better because we had the tougher run out last week and should be more match ready. That said, this season, I just can't see us getting over the line if Waterford get it together. Too many miles on old legs, not certain over who should start where, key players misfiring, this is as weak as Kilkenny have been under Cody. If it's tight at the end, I think the psychology of Kilkenny versus Waterford means we'll just get over the line but if I was betting on it I'd say Waterford by 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 08, 2017, 05:35:58 PM
I said it here before that Westmeath would beat Dublin at the moment and thats the way it looks

only for losing to Offaly by two crappy goals they could still be playing hurling in July
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on July 08, 2017, 09:15:22 PM
Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on July 08, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
My biggest fear was that KK , Cork and Tipp would win this weekend. Thanks you Waterford for the relief. Now Come on the banner!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2017, 10:44:26 PM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: orangeman on July 08, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
Waterford should have won this game in normal time by a good few. The fact that they didn't get the job dons was done to KK never say die attitude. Kilkenny were never going to be the force of old given the retirements and injuries. But they fought to the very end and could have sneaked it.

Best of luck to Waterford but they will have to improve on tonight's showing to go the whole road.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 11:38:38 PM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 08, 2017, 11:40:16 PM
Waterford should have won this game in normal time by a good few. The fact that they didn't get the job dons was done to KK never say die attitude. Kilkenny were never going to be the force of old given the retirements and injuries. But they fought to the very end and could have sneaked it.

Best of luck to Waterford but they will have to improve on tonight's showing to go the whole road.

The one remaining thing I'm looking forward to in this championship is the land Waterford are going to get.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2017, 11:51:07 PM
FT whistle saved Waterford, that was a dismal last 10 minutes form them. Totally went to pieces, doubt they have an All Ireland in them this year. Big rebuilding job in KK. Thought the ref was brutal
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 09, 2017, 07:20:44 AM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 08:56:42 AM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Gael85 on July 09, 2017, 09:24:09 AM
Cork beat Tipp in the minor this evening in front of official attendance of 8,142!!
That's a phenomenal crowd for a minor game on a Monday evening.
And word on the street is that Thurles will be full on Sunday with over 70% clad in the blood & bandages. Expectation is high down south.

Munster final sold out allegedly.

Did wee Pat Fitz make a balls of the ticket allocation in Clare. He only asked for 1400 I read somewhere.

Cork have got their gander up and their hurlers carry a (fair weather) support that only the Dublin footballers could compete with. The GAA coffers will want to see them in Croke Park in August.

Heard that too. Definitely wouldn't have happened if Davy Fitz was still manager.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 09, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 10:25:50 AM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 09, 2017, 12:32:54 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 01:03:38 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 09, 2017, 01:24:51 PM
Kilkenny under Cody always played on the edge. The great teams always do. There were 4 different opponents 06 to 09. Shock and awe kept repeats down. Timing is everything
  Plus sublime skill. It was never my little pony. Cody is a master of psychology.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
Kilkenny under Cody always played on the edge. The great teams always do. There were 4 different opponents 06 to 09. Shock and awe kept repeats down. Timing is everything
  Plus sublime skill. It was never my little pony. Cody is a master of psychology.

I don't often agree with what you say but I do 100% there. I have no problem with anyone saying Kilkenny played on the boundary of the rules. There are no greater masters in that regard than the All Blacks. Knowing how to go to the edge but not go over it is an art form in itself. What I don't agree with is people calling Kilkenny dirty. In Cody's time as manager of course there were times when Kilkenny transgressed the rules but to suggest Kilkenny won because of it is not correct. Neither is it right to say they were dirty. Every team crosses the line at times and every county could talk about dirty strokes and pulls by every other county in league and championship. Your own Galway are not the Care Bears either. The Kilkenny team under Cody, particularly from 06-09 was majestic and probably the best group of hurlers we'll ever see and they won because of sheer talent, and yes, that talent included the skill to push the rulebook to the maximum. I actually think that is a compliment as nobody is better at it than New Zealand in rugby union.

That people got sick of Kilkenny winning all the time is natural. Honestly, even on Noreside the thing had gone stale. The vibe that was there in 00, 02, 03, 06, 07, 08 and 09 had definitely waned by 14, 15. The Leinster Championship had come to mean pretty much nothing by 02, 03. I can't ever remember anyone getting excited about the league. This is Kilkenny's joint longest wait for an All Ireland under Cody and I suspect the next one, whenever it comes, will be a big deal again. A few barren Kilkenny years where Liam goes around the country will do the sport no harm, and that includes Kilkenny because success had become the norm rather than something special.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
Commentary on RTÉ 1 saying there's a strong breeze that will be to Clare's favour in the second half but I couldn't see any evidence of Cork getting an advantage from it. Cork are stronger throughout the field and I'd say they have this one. Need to eradicate ten minute spells with no points if they want to win Liam though.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: PW Nally on July 09, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
+++++
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
Clare weren't strong enough throughout. Cork showed some character in terms of hitting back any time Clare got even a small run on them. In terms of pure talent, it's Galway's to lose but they've still got to replicate the form shown in the league final. What will stand to Cork though is the fact they've been made to work in all three matches and are used to high intensity hurling now. Galway haven't had that workout yet so it will be interesting to see how they manage I when it arrives. I would say there are three obvious candidates, Tipperary, Cork and Galway and I'd say a Cork - Galway final is likely. Of the other three, if Clare could push on from their second half performance today and raise their level a bit, they have the hurlers to possibly make themselves the fourth possibility. Wexford and Waterford, much as I'd like to say different for the Model County, will get to a semi at best and then only with a good pinch of luck.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on July 09, 2017, 07:27:40 PM
If cork were to play tipp again i would fancy tipp.

It's down to 2 semi finalists and 4 in a knockout now isn't it? What way doesthedraw work? I assume 2 sides to it?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
If cork were to play tipp again i would fancy tipp.

It's down to 2 semi finalists and 4 in a knockout now isn't it? What way doesthedraw work? I assume 2 sides to it?

Cork and Galway are waiting for the winners of the quarter finals. Tipp, Waterford, Clare and Wexford go into that stage. As none of them have played each other it's an open draw. The only technicality is provincial runner up must meet qualifier so it's Clare v Waterford/Tipp and Wexford v Waterford/Tipp. Depending on who progresses there will either be a draw for the semis or there won't. If Wexford progress they play Cork as they can't play Galway and one of the other three play Galway because they can't play Cork. However, obviously should two of Tipp, Waterford and Clare go through then the can't play Cork rule goes out of the window and there will have to be an open draw.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: waterfordlad on July 09, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
Great win for Waterford last night. Kilkenny were the only team we hadn't beaten in championship since we came out of the doldrums in 1998 so finally we got over the line against them. We nearly threw it away in last 15 minutes failing to score and letting Kilkenny back in. Great performance again in extra time and when Shanahan got the 4th that finished it and even Kilkenny weren't coming back from that. Tadgh De Burca was brilliant and so was Jamie Barron.
Quarter final draw is probably tomorrow so I assume the losing provincial finalists and qualifier winners are on opposite sides so it'll be Clare or Wexford v Tipperary or Waterford.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 07:46:52 PM
Great win for Waterford last night. Kilkenny were the only team we hadn't beaten in championship since we came out of the doldrums in 1998 so finally we got over the line against them. We nearly threw it away in last 15 minutes failing to score and letting Kilkenny back in. Great performance again in extra time and when Shanahan got the 4th that finished it and even Kilkenny weren't coming back from that. Tadgh De Burca was brilliant and so was Jamie Barron.
Quarter final draw is probably tomorrow so I assume the losing provincial finalists and qualifier winners are on opposite sides so it'll be Clare or Wexford v Tipperary or Waterford.

Austin Gleeson was man of the match in my opinion.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on July 09, 2017, 07:54:45 PM
If cork were to play tipp again i would fancy tipp.

It's down to 2 semi finalists and 4 in a knockout now isn't it? What way doesthedraw work? I assume 2 sides to it?

Cork and Galway are waiting for the winners of the quarter finals. Tipp, Waterford, Clare and Wexford go into that stage. As none of them have played each other it's an open draw. The only technicality is provincial runner up must meet qualifier so it's Clare v Waterford/Tipp and Wexford v Waterford/Tipp. Depending on who progresses there will either be a draw for the semis or there won't. If Wexford progress they play Cork as they can't play Galway and one of the other three play Galway because they can't play Cork. However, obviously should two of Tipp, Waterford and Clare go through then the can't play Cork rule goes out of the window and there will have to be an open draw.

Ah interesting. Cheers.  Very open hurling championship and it will be interesting to see what wexford are made of here. I think it might be a step too far for them. I think the two from the qualifying rounds will go through.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 09, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Great win for Waterford last night. Kilkenny were the only team we hadn't beaten in championship since we came out of the doldrums in 1998 so finally we got over the line against them. We nearly threw it away in last 15 minutes failing to score and letting Kilkenny back in. Great performance again in extra time and when Shanahan got the 4th that finished it and even Kilkenny weren't coming back from that. Tadgh De Burca was brilliant and so was Jamie Barron.
Quarter final draw is probably tomorrow so I assume the losing provincial finalists and qualifier winners are on opposite sides so it'll be Clare or Wexford v Tipperary or Waterford.
Austin Gleeson was man of the match in my opinion.

You were watching a different game to me


Any one from these 3
Jamie Barron
Tadhg De Burca and Cillian Buckley with a combined 66 plays were the 2 dominant players

Gleeson does some fabulous things but lacks consistency in a game,he needs to settle on a clearly defined role within the team otherwise that Wd team will never win an all ireland.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 09, 2017, 08:26:52 PM
Great win for Waterford last night. Kilkenny were the only team we hadn't beaten in championship since we came out of the doldrums in 1998 so finally we got over the line against them. We nearly threw it away in last 15 minutes failing to score and letting Kilkenny back in. Great performance again in extra time and when Shanahan got the 4th that finished it and even Kilkenny weren't coming back from that. Tadgh De Burca was brilliant and so was Jamie Barron.
Quarter final draw is probably tomorrow so I assume the losing provincial finalists and qualifier winners are on opposite sides so it'll be Clare or Wexford v Tipperary or Waterford.
Austin Gleeson was man of the match in my opinion.

You were watching a different game to me


Any one from these 3
Jamie Barron
Tadhg De Burca and Cillian Buckley with a combined 66 plays were the 2 dominant players

Gleeson does some fabulous things but lacks consistency in a game,he needs to settle on a clearly defined role within the team otherwise that Wd team will never win an all ireland.

Gleeson hit five points from play, that's savage going. Waterford have some distance to go to win an All Ireland but it's not because of Gleeson.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 09, 2017, 08:56:15 PM
I thought Mahony did an unreal job on TJ Reid. He cleaned him out for 90% of that game.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 09, 2017, 10:07:34 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 09, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
Great win for Waterford last night. Kilkenny were the only team we hadn't beaten in championship since we came out of the doldrums in 1998 so finally we got over the line against them. We nearly threw it away in last 15 minutes failing to score and letting Kilkenny back in. Great performance again in extra time and when Shanahan got the 4th that finished it and even Kilkenny weren't coming back from that. Tadgh De Burca was brilliant and so was Jamie Barron.
Quarter final draw is probably tomorrow so I assume the losing provincial finalists and qualifier winners are on opposite sides so it'll be Clare or Wexford v Tipperary or Waterford.
Austin Gleeson was man of the match in my opinion.

You were watching a different game to me


Any one from these 3
Jamie Barron
Tadhg De Burca and Cillian Buckley with a combined 66 plays were the 2 dominant players

Gleeson does some fabulous things but lacks consistency in a game,he needs to settle on a clearly defined role within the team otherwise that Wd team will never win an all ireland.

Gleeson hit five points from play, that's savage going. Waterford have some distance to go to win an All Ireland but it's not because of Gleeson.


If 5 points from play is "savage going",standards really are falling in Kk

Whilst some of Gleesons scores would look the part on a highlights reel,he needs to do more of the mundane.

Waterford as a team need to go more direct,atm they are talking 3 touches when 1 would do.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 12:13:27 AM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Hearsay, otherwise known as BS.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 12:16:47 AM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 10, 2017, 09:13:15 AM
All Ireland SHC Quarter-Finals

Clare v Tipperary

Wexford v Waterford

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 10, 2017, 09:46:06 AM
Nicky English in the Irish Times

"Kilkenny have been relying on a small number of players in recent years. Richie Hogan’s been out of sorts this season and TJ Reid is really carrying the whole scoring burden. Michael Fennelly gave a tour de force against Limerick but wasn’t able to keep that level up."

KK on a trajectory very like that of  Man Utd when Fergie's team won that last title and then it all went arseways.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 10:46:58 AM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 10, 2017, 10:52:41 AM
Nicky English in the Irish Times

"Kilkenny have been relying on a small number of players in recent years. Richie Hogan’s been out of sorts this season and TJ Reid is really carrying the whole scoring burden. Michael Fennelly gave a tour de force against Limerick but wasn’t able to keep that level up."

KK on a trajectory very like that of  Man Utd when Fergie's team won that last title and then it all went arseways.

Funnily enough was talking to a Kilkenny man from Ballyhale yesterday and whilst he does believe that Kilkenny will drop back into the pack over then next couple of years he reckons they've some very good underage hurlers coming through that will bring them back into contention. He mentioned a minor hurler, Mullen related to the Fennellys who he reckons is the real deal and will make it sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 10, 2017, 12:03:47 PM
Nicky English in the Irish Times

"Kilkenny have been relying on a small number of players in recent years. Richie Hogan’s been out of sorts this season and TJ Reid is really carrying the whole scoring burden. Michael Fennelly gave a tour de force against Limerick but wasn’t able to keep that level up."

KK on a trajectory very like that of  Man Utd when Fergie's team won that last title and then it all went arseways.

Funnily enough was talking to a Kilkenny man from Ballyhale yesterday and whilst he does believe that Kilkenny will drop back into the pack over then next couple of years he reckons they've some very good underage hurlers coming through that will bring them back into contention. He mentioned a minor hurler, Mullen related to the Fennellys who he reckons is the real deal and will make it sooner rather than later.

It is going to take time.  All those beatings that Déise, Tipp and Galway took were part of a learning process. KK are several years behind now.
It is almost impossible to replace an all conquering team. Kerry couldn't do it.  The factors that brought players like Tommy Walsh, Shefflin etc together cannot be manufactured and while they are doing the biz there is no room for replacements.  So when they retire the standard drops.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 01:21:25 PM
Health and safety officers currently assessing Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

 CCCC meeting recommences at 4pm.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 01:54:25 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 02:57:28 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 10, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
He spent a good portion of Saturday playing in the half forwards anyway.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 03:49:33 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 04:19:41 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
So it's Tipp v Clare on Saturday July 22 in the Pairc for 3 and Waterford v Wexford the following day at the same venue
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 04:24:30 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum

Whilst you, my friend, are so ludicrous the only way I can take you half seriously is if I hold my sides to stop them hurting whilst I read your hilarious piffle.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 10, 2017, 04:53:28 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum

Whilst you, my friend, are so ludicrous the only way I can take you half seriously is if I hold my sides to stop them hurting whilst I read your hilarious piffle.

Grow up son
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 04:58:40 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum

Whilst you, my friend, are so ludicrous the only way I can take you half seriously is if I hold my sides to stop them hurting whilst I read your hilarious piffle.

Grow up son

I can grow up but you'll always be a clown!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 11, 2017, 01:18:49 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

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every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum

Whilst you, my friend, are so ludicrous the only way I can take you half seriously is if I hold my sides to stop them hurting whilst I read your hilarious piffle.

Grow up son

I can grow up but you'll always be a clown!
attacking the poster

play the ball not the man
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 11, 2017, 01:30:44 PM

So the cats are finished. Hard to believe.

If you live to be 100, you'll never see Galway win as many All Irelands as Cody has and that's what hurts you most.

Great game. Thought Waterford  had blown it.

In three championship matches we hurled for ten minutes, which got us back into the match with Waterford. Not good enough. We haven't the players anymore and there's a big rebuilding job to be done.
They were great but most people were sick of them by the end.   And I won't miss the dirt like the butt of the hurl inside the faceguard.

 I'd be happy if this Galway team won 1.

Would you ever cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish?
I agree fully with his comment

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

every team knows kilkenny do it
even Martin fogarty has mrntioned it

Show me where he said it...

And get a grip, Kilkenny had no good players, they were just great cheats, that's sh1te talk if ever there was.

The only butt in the helmet I can recall is the one Henry got against Clare. In these days of TV cameras everywhere that kind of thing gets caught even if the referee doesn't see it. You've already shown your level by blowing off steam about children from Gowran in another thread so frankly when your bile extends to under 14s it's hard to take you seriously.
I saw a kilkenny minor half forward get away with it 3/4 times last Sunday in croker
I've been at enough.coaching demos to hear what Martin says

still annoyed Gowran were beaten in the final by a laois team?
move on

Ah, so this is like when you said Charlie Carter was there when he wasn't. Of course though, you say he was, without any evidence, but your word is golden sure. Same as Martin Fogarty said xyz at hurling demos which you were at but can't produce a scrap of evidence for. It happened cos you say it did. Then you cite a minor match, again attacking into children, which wasn't televised and you have no evidence for but again, it happened because you said it did. Hearsay, sorry lad but you can't go off that alone.

Now, let's look at our conversation on the feile.

Gowran beat Glynn-Barntown in Ferns this afternoon. daylight robbery with the referee totally out of his depth and the gowarn sideline (charlie carter & co) dictating frees and refereeing decisions

standard of Kilkenny and Wexford club teams in the competition is very high, even down in Division 4, 5, 6 etc

Getting a bit excited there eh!

your number 11 was a bully and was let away with fouling his player the whole game and got away with it. same for your big midfielder.

anyway, semi finals today

Calling under 14 players "bullies", that's classy!

Oh and for the record...

Ah would you stop, they're an under 14 team for goodness sake. Can we leave the playground "my Daddy's bigger than your Daddy" nonsense where it belongs?

There's me calling it what it was, an under 14s match, and there's you up above throwing your toys out of the pram about referees and "bullies" in a kids' match... Don't think I'm the type to get wound up over playground sport...

Again, I await your evidence for any of the rubbish you claim...
I was there and saw the game as a neutral
I've seen enough games as player and coach over the years to know what I saw
its amazing thst talking to Charlie afterwards doesn't count
oh well

same as I saw the minor final in Croker last Sunday as a neutral

Five points from play is good going from any player never mind a non-attacking player.

Gleeson is "a non attacking player",

will you go away out of that

Is he a forward?

Does he not play in the forwards?

You seem mad to pick a fight with everyone on here atm.

He lined out at centre back, that he's a player who comes forward a lot and is sometimes utilised in the forwards is undoubted, but principally he's a halfback. And being a centre back his first job is defending, not attacking, when he's utilised in his main position.

If you can outline where I picked a fight with you, show me... other conversations with people who are writing rubbish about Kilkenny, and especially having a go about children from Kilkenny, and my calling them out are not your concern.

"Not your concern"

Who left you in charge?

Christ you really are a thin skinned arrogant plum

Whilst you, my friend, are so ludicrous the only way I can take you half seriously is if I hold my sides to stop them hurting whilst I read your hilarious piffle.

Grow up son

I can grow up but you'll always be a clown!
attacking the poster

play the ball not the man

I presume that is aimed at both of us eh...
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 11, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
In the name of Cody,  please stop quoting 😀
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 11, 2017, 02:20:19 PM
In the name of Cody,  please stop quoting 😀

Lol ;D
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 03:43:50 PM
Clare are making an absolute hames of the most basic stuff. Their puck outs are atrocious, no better than the last day against Cork and you'd think that with a good former goalkeeper there in Donal Óg Cusack they'd have worked out some system. They shoot from absurd positions, again the same as the last day and their winning of loose ball is non-existant as they need two or three lifts every time whereas Tipp need one and are gone. Tipp's forwards are savage but their defence is lightweight and a good forward line should be able to make hay against them. But for Tipp's full back line, they'd already be in the semifinal. This championship is very exciting because a number of teams could win in September but the quality overall is dreadful.

Tony Kelly must be the most overrated hurler in Ireland. I'm not even convinced he'd get into the Tipp midfield.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: del_carroll on July 22, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
Tipp starting to huff and puff a bit though, Clare not out of it yet... 3 points in it...
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Tipp starting to huff and puff a bit though, Clare not out of it yet... 3 points in it...
Tipp only one ahead now
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 04:38:18 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2017, 05:37:47 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
except win the Leinster championship?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 05:48:30 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
except win the Leinster championship?

Ah, the much sought after Leinster championship  :o! Brilliant  ???! And with a nonexistent Kilkenny team, superlative  ::)!

Galway haven't set the world alight since the league final and will have nothing but regrets if they don't lift themselves at least to league final form for the semis and potentially the final as it is theirs to lose (though Cork might have something to say about that). The Bob O'Keefe Cup isn't going to warm the cockles of any followers of the Tribe this winter if they don't go and add Liam to it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 05:57:51 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
It''s not Galway's fault that Kilkenny were shite this year.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 06:01:22 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
It''s not Galway's fault that Kilkenny were shite this year.

Lol show me where I said it was. You have Kilkenny on the brain.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 07:32:31 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
It''s not Galway's fault that Kilkenny were shite this year.

Lol show me where I said it was. You have Kilkenny on the brain.
I am sup posed to have Tyrone on the brain. Galway played the Dubs and Wexford this year. I wold have like a Leinster final with KK to see how good Galway are but it was not to be. I expect them to up the level in Aigust.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
It''s not Galway's fault that Kilkenny were shite this year.

Lol show me where I said it was. You have Kilkenny on the brain.
I am sup posed to have Tyrone on the brain. Galway played the Dubs and Wexford this year. I wold have like a Leinster final with KK to see how good Galway are but it was not to be. I expect them to up the level in Aigust.

Playing Kilkenny would have taught Galway nothing and would have displayed nothing to their fans. Kilkenny are pure muck at the moment. The only reason they got back into the game against Waterford was because Waterford had a bad dose of dysentery in the last ten minutes because they have gone through the mill against Kilkenny so many times over the years.

Galway weren't great against Dublin, by all accounts were poor against Offaly and weren't brilliant against Wexford. They haven't needed to be though and I think they've gone through the motions in second gear in those three matches, stepping it up for ten minutes or so if they've needed to, in order to be primed for August. I expect them to be firing in the semi but they need to be careful they don't fail to turn up like they have in the past as it really should be a Cork - Galway final going by what we've seen this year.

That, in terms of quality, it has been a poor year is something I stand by though. Kilkenny were woeful, Tipperary are not properly at the races, Clare, Limerick and Dublin were mediocre at best and added nothing to the championship. Cork have been exciting, the potential is there with Galway particularly if they can raise themselves up to, and I think over if they want to beat Cork, the league final performance. Other than Cork, the big news stories have been Wexford and Waterford but neither are especially good. Both barely got over the line against arguably the worst Kilkenny team in living memory whereas, this summer, Cork or Galway would likely have massacred the Cats. If I was a Yellowbelly or a Blaa I'd be concerned about my team's performance against the black and amber rather than elated by it. So yes, other than Cork, and at this stage excluding Galway because despite the potential they haven't shown their true hand yet in this championship, the quality has been poor this year. If Cork and Galway both perform in August there could be a cracking All Ireland in the waiting, if one of them slips up the final is likely to be lopsided and if both of them fall then the first Sunday in September is unlikely to be a memorable day for hurling purists.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 08:29:06 PM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.

The last year where the championship was wide open, 2013, was a much better championship in terms of quality. Clare, obviously as they won the All Ireland, were very good. Cork were strong. The Dubs had their best season in decades and the scoreline in their AI semi was unflattering to them. Limerick had a good summer but probably didn't ride the gap between the Munster final and the AI semi too well. The qualifiers produced some good battles whereas this year they were more of a damp squib. As I said, Kilkenny only came back into it against Waterford because of the state the Deise made of their underpants. Even Offaly pushed Kilkenny and Waterford to a certain extent in 2013. The only really memorable match this year was Cork - Tipp and I suspect Cork are a good bit further on than they were at that stage. This year isn't going to go down as vintage anyway but if the All Ireland isn't a Cork - Galway affair with those two producing fireworks, then it's going to be a year that's quickly forgotten.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on July 22, 2017, 10:49:25 PM
Does semi final games depend on tomorrow's result ?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 22, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
Does semi final games depend on tomorrow's result ?

Yes. If Wexford win, Tipp will play Galway. If Waterford win, there will be a draw as both have played Cork.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on July 22, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
Why are you picking on Galway as blame for a poor c'ship? They've only lost 1 competitive game all year and won their last 5 or so by an average of over 10 points. When KK were doing that everyone was drooling about them. You have Galway on the brain I think.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
Does semi final games depend on tomorrow's result ?

Yes. If Wexford win then they can't play Galway and Tipperary can't play Cork so the semis would be Galway v Tipperary and Cork v Wexford. However, if Waterford were to win then they can't play Cork either so the rule about not meeting a team twice before the All Ireland would have to go out of the window and it'd be a draw to see which provincial winner played which quarter final winner.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 11:08:00 PM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.
Why are you picking on Galway as blame for a poor c'ship? They've only lost 1 competitive game all year and won their last 5 or so by an average of over 10 points. When KK were doing that everyone was drooling about them. You have Galway on the brain I think.

Just in case you missed it...

Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale.

I shudder to think how you get the idea of me blaming Galway for a poor championship out of that.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2017, 11:09:23 PM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.

The last year where the championship was wide open, 2013, was a much better championship in terms of quality. Clare, obviously as they won the All Ireland, were very good. Cork were strong. The Dubs had their best season in decades and the scoreline in their AI semi was unflattering to them. Limerick had a good summer but probably didn't ride the gap between the Munster final and the AI semi too well. The qualifiers produced some good battles whereas this year they were more of a damp squib. As I said, Kilkenny only came back into it against Waterford because of the state the Deise made of their underpants. Even Offaly pushed Kilkenny and Waterford to a certain extent in 2013. The only really memorable match this year was Cork - Tipp and I suspect Cork are a good bit further on than they were at that stage. This year isn't going to go down as vintage anyway but if the All Ireland isn't a Cork - Galway affair with those two producing fireworks, then it's going to be a year that's quickly forgotten.
why?
cause ye didn't even reach the AI quarter final or leinster final?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.

The last year where the championship was wide open, 2013, was a much better championship in terms of quality. Clare, obviously as they won the All Ireland, were very good. Cork were strong. The Dubs had their best season in decades and the scoreline in their AI semi was unflattering to them. Limerick had a good summer but probably didn't ride the gap between the Munster final and the AI semi too well. The qualifiers produced some good battles whereas this year they were more of a damp squib. As I said, Kilkenny only came back into it against Waterford because of the state the Deise made of their underpants. Even Offaly pushed Kilkenny and Waterford to a certain extent in 2013. The only really memorable match this year was Cork - Tipp and I suspect Cork are a good bit further on than they were at that stage. This year isn't going to go down as vintage anyway but if the All Ireland isn't a Cork - Galway affair with those two producing fireworks, then it's going to be a year that's quickly forgotten.
why?
cause ye didn't even reach the AI quarter final or leinster final?

Presumably you've seen a great Tipp side, a brilliant Waterford one, a superb Wexford one, a not too shabby Offaly and a Westmeath that set the world alight... like you saw Charlie Carter... all that and pink elephants too  ::).
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.

The last year where the championship was wide open, 2013, was a much better championship in terms of quality. Clare, obviously as they won the All Ireland, were very good. Cork were strong. The Dubs had their best season in decades and the scoreline in their AI semi was unflattering to them. Limerick had a good summer but probably didn't ride the gap between the Munster final and the AI semi too well. The qualifiers produced some good battles whereas this year they were more of a damp squib. As I said, Kilkenny only came back into it against Waterford because of the state the Deise made of their underpants. Even Offaly pushed Kilkenny and Waterford to a certain extent in 2013. The only really memorable match this year was Cork - Tipp and I suspect Cork are a good bit further on than they were at that stage. This year isn't going to go down as vintage anyway but if the All Ireland isn't a Cork - Galway affair with those two producing fireworks, then it's going to be a year that's quickly forgotten.
why?
cause ye didn't even reach the AI quarter final or leinster final?

Presumably you've seen a great Tipp side, a brilliant Waterford one, a superb Wexford one, a not too shabby Offaly and a Westmeath that set the world alight... like you saw Charlie Carter... all that and pink elephants too  ::).
ok.
enjoy the few months off county games.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on July 23, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.

Highlight your final line please.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 23, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
I agree about the quality. KK and Tipp are off the boil. The Déise are average. Wexford and Limerick are lacking in quality as are the Dubs.

The last year where the championship was wide open, 2013, was a much better championship in terms of quality. Clare, obviously as they won the All Ireland, were very good. Cork were strong. The Dubs had their best season in decades and the scoreline in their AI semi was unflattering to them. Limerick had a good summer but probably didn't ride the gap between the Munster final and the AI semi too well. The qualifiers produced some good battles whereas this year they were more of a damp squib. As I said, Kilkenny only came back into it against Waterford because of the state the Deise made of their underpants. Even Offaly pushed Kilkenny and Waterford to a certain extent in 2013. The only really memorable match this year was Cork - Tipp and I suspect Cork are a good bit further on than they were at that stage. This year isn't going to go down as vintage anyway but if the All Ireland isn't a Cork - Galway affair with those two producing fireworks, then it's going to be a year that's quickly forgotten.
why?
cause ye didn't even reach the AI quarter final or leinster final?

Presumably you've seen a great Tipp side, a brilliant Waterford one, a superb Wexford one, a not too shabby Offaly and a Westmeath that set the world alight... like you saw Charlie Carter... all that and pink elephants too  ::).
ok.
enjoy the few months off county games.

And being, as you claim to be, a neutral observer from Westmeath, what exactly is your county involvement for the next while?


Or, like the rest of your claims, is it more pigs in the sky stuff?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Kilkevan on July 23, 2017, 11:34:01 AM
After that it's well time that The Sunday Game panellists stop talking drivel about how good this year's championship is. The quality is scant this year if you ignore Cork who have brought something to the summer. Surely the All Ireland will between Cork and Galway who are the only teams capable of delivering fireworks in the finale, and at that Galway need to step it up because apart from the league final they've done nothing of note.

Highlight your final line please.

So you think Galway can win the All Ireland with the kind of performances they put in against Dublin, Offaly and Wexford... right enough so.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on July 23, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
There will be plenty of fireworks yet in the hurling. This year has been alot more intersting and compeditive than other years. Some people expect every hurling match to be a classic.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 23, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Only 31000 at this match compared to 60k for the Leinster gfinal. Excitement levels have died down in Wexford
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Only 31000 at this match compared to 60k for the Leinster gfinal. Excitement levels have died down in Wexford
no motorway to Cork!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: yellowcard on July 23, 2017, 05:32:41 PM
Desperately scrappy game if hurled no.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 24, 2017, 08:41:54 AM
Semi-finals as follows:

Aug 6:  Galway v  Tipperary

Aug 13:  Cork v  Waterford

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on July 24, 2017, 09:11:52 AM
Would be great if it was a Galway Waterford Final.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: tippabu on July 24, 2017, 09:16:27 AM
Would be great if it was a Galway Waterford Final.

nah, dont think id be able bring myself to watch that!!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2017, 09:31:03 AM
Semi-finals as follows:

Aug 6:  Galway v  Tipperary

Aug 13:  Cork v  Waterford

After Saturdays performance Tipp are still a bit off where they've been the last few years and I'd say Galway will be happier to face them in two weeks time than the first Sunday in September. I fancy the AI winners to come out of this semi-final. Galway still favourites due to the fact they haven't really been pushed and looked to have a few more gears to go, especially against Wexford. The main concern is how they start against Tipp, as they may be slow to get going. Their forwards should be able to get scores from the Tipp fullback line although Tipps forwards are still racking up big tallies as well. Galway by 5 for me.

Waterford are frustrating as hell (not as much as Clare though!) as they are so entrenched in their system of play that it can be their downfall especially when chasing the game. It must be soul destroying for Shanahan/Shane Bennett to spend a big part of the afternoon chasing shadows and seeing very little of the ball and watch it sail over your head all day. The sweeper can have a part to play but lordy, don't be shooting from all angles only to see a good few wides in the process. DeBurca's red card for messing with the helmet could prove expensive as he's vital to Waterford and will be a big loss against Cork. No doubt an appeal will be made shortly.
Round two against Cork, so it will be a matter of who's learned the most and improved the most. Cork have played well, but haven't (needed to) reached the levels they did against Tipp. Clare were in the game with them for long enough and is Clare's way done some awful stupid hurling to take the pressure back off Cork. Lehane, Harnedy, Cadogan and Horgan will all need good games for Cork to come through this semi IMO.

Galway/Waterford final for me, but DeBurca will be needed in the semi final though!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2017, 09:58:54 AM
Semi-finals as follows:

Aug 6:  Galway v  Tipperary

Aug 13:  Cork v  Waterford

After Saturdays performance Tipp are still a bit off where they've been the last few years and I'd say Galway will be happier to face them in two weeks time than the first Sunday in September. I fancy the AI winners to come out of this semi-final. Galway still favourites due to the fact they haven't really been pushed and looked to have a few more gears to go, especially against Wexford. The main concern is how they start against Tipp, as they may be slow to get going. Their forwards should be able to get scores from the Tipp fullback line although Tipps forwards are still racking up big tallies as well. Galway by 5 for me.

Waterford are frustrating as hell (not as much as Clare though!) as they are so entrenched in their system of play that it can be their downfall especially when chasing the game. It must be soul destroying for Shanahan/Shane Bennett to spend a big part of the afternoon chasing shadows and seeing very little of the ball and watch it sail over your head all day. The sweeper can have a part to play but lordy, don't be shooting from all angles only to see a good few wides in the process. DeBurca's red card for messing with the helmet could prove expensive as he's vital to Waterford and will be a big loss against Cork. No doubt an appeal will be made shortly.
Round two against Cork, so it will be a matter of who's learned the most and improved the most. Cork have played well, but haven't (needed to) reached the levels they did against Tipp. Clare were in the game with them for long enough and is Clare's way done some awful stupid hurling to take the pressure back off Cork. Lehane, Harnedy, Cadogan and Horgan will all need good games for Cork to come through this semi IMO.

Galway/Waterford final for me, but DeBurca will be needed in the semi final though!
Clare backs didn't lay a hand on the Tipp forwards in PUC the last day
I'd expect Galway to give them a lot less space and Tipp's defence isn't good enough

I fully expect Waterford to come with a plan to shut down the free flowing Cork, but Waterford don't have the scoring accuracy needed to beat them
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
Tough draw for Tipperary, as it was always going to be, but at this stage what else would you expect. I was kind of hoping for Galway as I feel if you are going to take them, then this is the time to do it. Galway have been coasting along, Tipp have been well below par but improving. If Galway were to qualify for the final, I expect them to beat whoever they face, even if Tipp had drawn Cork instead and made it through. I just think the few weeks layoff, with the smooth run in might leave Galway undercooked.

Of course there's reasons you wouldn't want Galway either. They are the best team left in the competition on paper, and their style is exactly what Tipp hate playing. They have skillful players, but they have size and power, and when Tipp get turned over, it's usually the size and power and 'want' that is the difference, Tipp are rarely out skilled. Galway know they have the measure of Tipp physically, and have the skill to take advantage, so they will rightly be favourites.

There are signs of life coming out of Tipp though. They are still All Ireland Champions, and I think they showed a bit of composure the last day to bounce back from the two goal salvo, and the run of Clare points in the second half. Clare helped them with some truly abysmal decisions and shooting, but Tipp looked like they were up for a bit of hard work. They'll need an extra gear in two weeks, but I wouldn't bet against them finding it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 24, 2017, 11:44:17 AM
Tipp have got to the last four playing well below their best
If they have the stomach for a physical battle against Galway and hit the ground running it will be close
But the lose of Barrett is huge and might be their downfall
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 11:46:07 AM
Tipp have got to the last four playing well below their best
If they have the stomach for a physical battle against Galway and hit the ground running it will be close
But the lose of Barrett is huge and might be their downfall

Barrett wasn't playing well though. People are going on about him, but he wasn't hurling well, and was playing for most of the Cork game and getting it very tight. I agree the full back line is an issue, but it was an issue when Barrett was playing too. He played against Galway in the League Final.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 24, 2017, 12:13:59 PM
Tough draw for Tipperary, as it was always going to be, but at this stage what else would you expect. I was kind of hoping for Galway as I feel if you are going to take them, then this is the time to do it. Galway have been coasting along, Tipp have been well below par but improving. If Galway were to qualify for the final, I expect them to beat whoever they face, even if Tipp had drawn Cork instead and made it through. I just think the few weeks layoff, with the smooth run in might leave Galway undercooked.

Of course there's reasons you wouldn't want Galway either. They are the best team left in the competition on paper, and their style is exactly what Tipp hate playing. They have skillful players, but they have size and power, and when Tipp get turned over, it's usually the size and power and 'want' that is the difference, Tipp are rarely out skilled. Galway know they have the measure of Tipp physically, and have the skill to take advantage, so they will rightly be favourites.

There are signs of life coming out of Tipp though. They are still All Ireland Champions, and I think they showed a bit of composure the last day to bounce back from the two goal salvo, and the run of Clare points in the second half. Clare helped them with some truly abysmal decisions and shooting, but Tipp looked like they were up for a bit of hard work. They'll need an extra gear in two weeks, but I wouldn't bet against them finding it.
Tipp beat Galway by a point last year at thé semi final stage. I think Galway will be ready
I don't
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 12:15:09 PM
Oh they'll be ready mentally. I don't doubt that.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
Did I hear Conor Cooney went off playing for a team in New York last weekend?


Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 24, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
Tipp have got to the last four playing well below their best
If they have the stomach for a physical battle against Galway and hit the ground running it will be close
But the lose of Barrett is huge and might be their downfall

Barrett wasn't playing well though. People are going on about him, but he wasn't hurling well, and was playing for most of the Cork game and getting it very tight. I agree the full back line is an issue, but it was an issue when Barrett was playing too. He played against Galway in the League Final.

I thought it was obvious I was referring to Barrett on last years form
He didn't train all winter and was coming into league final with no match fitness
Best corner back in the country when he had no ankle op and stays of the beer
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
Tipp have got to the last four playing well below their best
If they have the stomach for a physical battle against Galway and hit the ground running it will be close
But the lose of Barrett is huge and might be their downfall

Barrett wasn't playing well though. People are going on about him, but he wasn't hurling well, and was playing for most of the Cork game and getting it very tight. I agree the full back line is an issue, but it was an issue when Barrett was playing too. He played against Galway in the League Final.

I thought it was obvious I was referring to Barrett on last years form
He didn't train all winter and was coming into league final with no match fitness
Best corner back in the country when he had no ankle op and stays of the beer

But he's still not at full fitness, and who knows about the beer situation. That's like saying I'd be a great corner forward if i was 10 yards quicker, had a better first touch and was fit. :)
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 24, 2017, 04:08:17 PM
Tipp have got to the last four playing well below their best
If they have the stomach for a physical battle against Galway and hit the ground running it will be close
But the lose of Barrett is huge and might be their downfall

Barrett wasn't playing well though. People are going on about him, but he wasn't hurling well, and was playing for most of the Cork game and getting it very tight. I agree the full back line is an issue, but it was an issue when Barrett was playing too. He played against Galway in the League Final.

I thought it was obvious I was referring to Barrett on last years form
He didn't train all winter and was coming into league final with no match fitness
Best corner back in the country when he had no ankle op and stays of the beer

But he's still not at full fitness, and who knows about the beer situation. That's like saying I'd be a great corner forward if i was 10 yards quicker, had a better first touch and was fit. :)

He lined out for holy cross at the weekend so maybe Imm looking at it better informed
The only reason Barrett was mentioned in the first place is the difference he makes to Tipp and their defence from last season to this one
He has been axed from the panel and quite rightly so
But his absence could be the difference between them getting past Galway or not
No need to reply I have my opinion firmly set on this one
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2017, 04:11:31 PM
I'm living in Tipp. I know exactly what he did at the weekend. If you think he is inter county match fit, then you are raving. He lined out at wing back for Holycross in a club glorified tournament game, and scored 2 points.

You never mentioned Cathal Barrett of 'last year' was a big miss, in your initial post. You just said the loss of him could be the difference. My point is the loss of 2017 Cathal Barrett will not be the difference. Absolutely the loss of 2016 Cathal Barrett is a massive loss, but does the 2016 Cathal Barrett exist in 2017? I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 26, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
It look like he won't be hurling for Tipp again this year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 26, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
It look like he won't be hurling for Tipp again this year

Looks that way. Not a surprise. It might be better for TIpp in the long term too.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 26, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0726/893131-johnny-glynn/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 26, 2017, 03:51:10 PM
It look like he won't be hurling for Tipp again this year

Looks that way. Not a surprise. It might be better for TIpp in the long term too.
What's the story with him? I only know that he is a good hurler....
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on July 26, 2017, 03:57:02 PM
It look like he won't be hurling for Tipp again this year

Looks that way. Not a surprise. It might be better for TIpp in the long term too.
What's the story with him? I only know that he is a good hurler....

Not fair to be spreading hearsay and rumour on here, so I won't, but just say Mick Ryan felt he was not adhering to standards required. He's a brilliant, All Star calibre hurler, but Tipp have had others of that ilk who never really fulfilled their potential so for him to make this sort of decision might help Cathal and other Tipp players to understand that they need to look after themselves properly too.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on July 27, 2017, 08:56:23 PM
Pat Nolan‏ @pat_nolan · Jul 23 

For the first time in the history of the All-Ireland SHC, there will be no Leinster county in the last four. #GAA

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2017, 08:22:17 AM
Richie Power on RTE is going for Tipp. The teams have played each other 13 times since 87 with Tipp winning 7 and Galway 6.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 03, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
IMO Tipp haven't been at the same level as they were last year and even then they struggled for long enough to put Galway away until Tuohy and Canning went off the field, meaning Coen had to revert to defence when he was getting on a lot of ball in the middle of the field.
Galway have been reasonably comfortable to date and the questions will be whether they can raise their game up to a higher level on Sunday. I think they will as its Tipp they're facing and there will be no complacency from Galway when facing their old foes. They look a more rounded team with more forwards offering a scoring threat and some of their lads looked in better physical condition than they have in a while, Joseph Cooney the obvious example of this.
On the back of this Tipp have struggled to put away Clare who were within a few points down for most of the second half before Tipp kicked on, but they were coughing up goals and other goal chances that Clare failed to take. Galway will need to play as much of the game in the Tipp full back line as possible and be ruthless in going for goal with a new keeper, new fullback and the previous fullback who I rated highly now in the corner and not having a good year to date.

Power and Co are backing Tipp solely for the reason that they're the current AI champions and have a few more gears in them and that's fine, but they didn't find those gears when Cork were motoring through them and there's been little since to suggest those issues have been ironed out.

Roll on Sunday all the same, I think it'll be another good contest with the winners favourites to win the AI.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 03, 2017, 09:27:23 AM
The problem Tipp have with Galway is that they are phsyically very strong, and can hurl. Teams that are strong but can't hurl, Tipp can deal with them. Teams that can hurl, but are not strong, Tipp can deal with them. But a phsyically strong team, that can also hurl, is a very tough proposition.

Tipps problem traditionally, in games like that, is the belly for the fight when the game is in the melting pot. I think they showed a bit of what's needed against Clare, and they've become better at that. Also with the likes of Dan McCormack and Michael Breen they are a bit bigger themselves now. Tipp are no small team. Their hurling is top class when on form, but if they take a backward step from Galway they are done.

Galway's problems, if they have any, would be in the mental department. The ruthlessness to push on when the game was there for them. To be honest though, that was never really the case v Tipp, they are just 2 very well matched teams.

On the basis of form this year though, and the problems in the Tipp full back line (which were there even when Cathal Barrett was playing), you'd have to go for Galway.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on August 03, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Did Waterford appeal de Búrca's sending off?

Edit just saw this, seems to be ongoing

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0803/894918-de-buirca/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
The problem Tipp have with Galway is that they are phsyically very strong, and can hurl. Teams that are strong but can't hurl, Tipp can deal with them. Teams that can hurl, but are not strong, Tipp can deal with them. But a phsyically strong team, that can also hurl, is a very tough proposition.

Tipps problem traditionally, in games like that, is the belly for the fight when the game is in the melting pot. I think they showed a bit of what's needed against Clare, and they've become better at that. Also with the likes of Dan McCormack and Michael Breen they are a bit bigger themselves now. Tipp are no small team. Their hurling is top class when on form, but if they take a backward step from Galway they are done.

Galway's problems, if they have any, would be in the mental department. The ruthlessness to push on when the game was there for them. To be honest though, that was never really the case v Tipp, they are just 2 very well matched teams.

On the basis of form this year though, and the problems in the Tipp full back line (which were there even when Cathal Barrett was playing), you'd have to go for Galway.
Galway don't really have cover if one of the backs gets injured. That would be a worry.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 03, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Tipp have gone into the last to games v Galway with one eye on Kilkenny in the final
This year they know this is the biggest challenge they will face
As said before Galway are big lads and Tipp  prefer a low contact shoot out
They are lovely stickmen after all
If they are going to win then they have to reach their form last year
They haven't done it yet but could on Sunday
You would expect them to score 30 points + but how much will they concede
I feel they need an on form barret to get over the line
Bar another Galway head stagger which isn't beyond the realms either
Does everyone agree who ever wins this game has the all Ireland title in their grasp
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 03, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
Tipp have gone into the last to games v Galway with one eye on Kilkenny in the final
This year they know this is the biggest challenge they will face
As said before Galway are big lads and Tipp  prefer a low contact shoot out
They are lovely stickmen after all
If they are going to win then they have to reach their form last year
They haven't done it yet but could on Sunday
You would expect them to score 30 points + but how much will they concede
I feel they need an on form barret to get over the line
Bar another Galway head stagger which isn't beyond the realms either
Does everyone agree who ever wins this game has the all Ireland title in their grasp
No
Cork have looked very impressive
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on August 03, 2017, 10:36:12 PM
The winners of this Sunday's game will win the all ireland.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2017, 11:05:31 PM
If Cork win their game I'm backing them
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 04, 2017, 11:01:03 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-galway-and-tipperary-know-semi-finals-are-desperation-stuff-1.3175614?mode=amp
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Cyril Farrell fan on August 04, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
The winners of this Sunday's game will win the all ireland.
Except if it's Galway, where we always manage to mess it up after a big semi final win.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 04, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
The winners of this Sunday's game will win the all ireland.
Except if it's Galway, where we always manage to mess it up after a big semi final win.

Agreed
Always thought if Tipp and Galway avoided each other to final then Tipp  would win
But Galway in a semi is a different animal
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: mouview on August 04, 2017, 12:34:49 PM
Tipp have gone into the last to games v Galway with one eye on Kilkenny in the final
This year they know this is the biggest challenge they will face
As said before Galway are big lads and Tipp  prefer a low contact shoot out
They are lovely stickmen after all
If they are going to win then they have to reach their form last year
They haven't done it yet but could on Sunday
You would expect them to score 30 points + but how much will they concede
I feel they need an on form barret to get over the line
Bar another Galway head stagger which isn't beyond the realms either
Does everyone agree who ever wins this game has the all Ireland title in their grasp

Galway have never beaten Cork in a final or Waterford at all in c'ship. This will weigh on their minds a bit if they get over Sunday. Both would fancy their chances v Galway and would be less afraid of them than Tipp, I think. However, I can't see either being a tougher test than Tipp', different maybe but not harder, and the Tribesmen would start favourites.

Tipp would be strong favourites v Waterford as I feel they just have too much firepower and the Deise not enough. Tipp V Cork would be real interesting; Tipp going for 2-in-a-row and keen to avenge the Munster defeat, where they really weren't that far off anyway. Cork like to style themselves as traditionalists and would be very eager to bridge a 12-year gap since the last win. I just don't think they're quite good enough yet though.

As for Sunday, trying to look at it from a neutral perspective. Galway have lost only once all year and MOD has quite smoothly done something that has been beyond many recent Galway managers, namely fielding a largely settled team. Their options off the bench are perhaps better than is credited, their defence has been solid so far, midfield is strong and any named 6 starting forwards can make and take their own scores. Some say they've beaten no-one yet, but the point is that they've moved up a gear on the couple of times it's been required of them, (in the second halves v Dublin and Wexford). However, on Sunday they'll be meeting a team that won't play a sweeper but probably go man-on-man. This may test Galway's defence a lot more as no team likes to be ran at, something Tipp are capable of doing. Also, we don't know how Galway are fixed injury-wise; (I personally think we're not hearing the full story here). Gratifyingly, we're no longer relying on JC for scores, (since, oh about 2012 or before).

Hard to call Tipp'. Obvious weaknesses in the FB line and a dilemma about who to put in goal. Galway's forwards have prospered under the high ball played in, but this would suit the 2 Mahers in the HB line, who nevertheless look vulnerable when turned and ran at. Midfield uncertain. Unlike Galway, not all Tipp forwards are seen as 'scoring'. McCormack and Bonner are good workhorses, even though I think the latter in particular is very overrated; can often be caught in possession and (like Cyril Donnellan) can't always be trusted to do the right thing with the ball. Noel McGrath is hugely skillful but is not the hardest to put off his game if marked as tightly as possible. FF line lethal though; all 3 capable of racking up large individual tallies, as seen by last year's final. One alone could nearly beat a team by themselves and it's unlikely in the extreme that all 3 will have a collective off-day. Galway's 2 corner-backs aren't (yet) regarded as world-class, Daithi will have to be every bit as good as he was in the past and the line in general must not be isolated by the HB line outside it; this would be a recipe for disaster and something I'm sure that has been taxing the minds of the Galway mgmt every day.

"There's something different about Galway this year" has become a cliche at this stage, but it may be a bit true also. They're more settled and also more assured, as if they're confident they can move up the gears if necessary. They will need to on Sunday however and it's the team's acid test. How much the earlier season ripples have affected Tipp is still unknown, but they've dealt capably enough with all opponents since the Cork game, even if Clare (and an ordinary Clare at that) shudda really stretched them more. Have the squad really gelled properly since Barrett was dispatched? Is there a rift between the players and Ryan over the latter's disinclination to restore Barrett to the panel? Factors also I feel.

Sunday is forecast to be wet at this remove. It could suit the purportedly-stronger Galway team, or it could be a great leveler. All the above would make Galway favourites but I think there's a kick yet in a proud Tipp team with the 2-in-a-row motivation. Draw?

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 04, 2017, 02:27:10 PM
Mouview

Agree on everything except your view in Galway midfield
David Burke the best in the business ATM ( well bar maybe Barron) and Coen has made the transition form corner back effortlessly
Everyone is talking about Tipps full backline but B maher hasn't been his self and breen can forget to get of the bus sometimes

Galway midfield is one area that could shade it for Galway
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 04, 2017, 03:34:19 PM
There are plenty of mahers on the Tipp team. Still don't know what the Maher is with Barrett.
Tipps q2 meltdown seems to have been forgotten
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 04, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
Galway now have a FB and CHB which was not the case for some time.
And Tipp are not great the year after


If you consider last year's. AISF the teams were level.
Tipp have probably gone back a bit. Galway would be better.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 05, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Mo

I think this is like 87 which was preceded by 2 "learning experiences". Galway always need learning experiences.
2015 was a final and last year could have been.
Unlike previous models (Cloonan, Murphy ,Lane, Hayes,  Gerlock,  McIntyre) there is consistency rather than volatility.
The team is settled
 The forwards have grown up. There was something missing in 2012 and 2015.
If they do make it they have more experience than Cork. They have paid their dues.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2017, 03:21:38 PM
good win for Galway minors
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
nobody bother with the score from the senior game, how it end up?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 06, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
Not over. 1 in it to galway. Injury time.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 06, 2017, 05:34:17 PM
Galway by 1. Canning 73rd minute. Over.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
Well done to Galway, Some score to win the game  :o
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: StGallsGAA on August 06, 2017, 05:38:03 PM
Savage finish!  Well done Canning!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: galwayman on August 06, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
Heart stopping stuff.
Tipp were unlucky to lose to be fair.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 06, 2017, 05:44:41 PM
Wow what a game
Canning showed up when pressure on and got them over the line
Thought B Kelly was terrible for Tipp
Persistent fouling if Tipp forwards went unpunished
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Oraisteach on August 06, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
After watching Armagh get crushed by Tyrone in football yesterday, it was refreshing to watch this nail-biting hurling match. Some amazing points. Thrilling all the way.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: gallsman on August 06, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
Thought it was a poor enough game with a lot of sloppiness but the closeness kept it exciting.

Joe was poor but made it count when it mattered most I guess.

The Galway backs, Tuohy in particular, seemed to have some sort of suicidal need to solo the ball out through trouble and were caught on umpteen occasions.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
Galway just about deserved that! Canning may take all the attention but he was poor in parts... McInenrney was MOM for me ... Galway happy to get that type of game behind them and will be better for it... edge of seat stuff
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on August 06, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
How could you call this a poor game. What sports channel do you watch? Epic end to end physical stuff with some fantastic scores. In fact the longer the ball stayed in play the more compelling it got so scores didnt really matter. Yes there were mistakes but come on....
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2017, 07:03:55 PM
First half was tight but a bit sloppy. In fairness it was pretty slippy conditions out there. The second half though was pure adrenaline. If you could somehow bottle that excitement you'd be a very wealthy man. The pulse is only coming down now.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 06, 2017, 07:15:10 PM
Well done Galway.  I so hope that Joe Canning wins his All Ireland.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
Fair play to Tipp. They were unrecognisable from June. They put in a huge effort and with a bit of luck could have won. They really gave it everything.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on August 06, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
Second half was savage stuff

Was the last free Galway # 5 got (that Canning dropped short) awful soft?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 12:02:39 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/tonyleen/status/894317478326804480?p=v
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: waterfordlad on August 07, 2017, 08:02:00 AM
Second half was savage stuff

Was the last free Galway # 5 got (that Canning dropped short) awful soft?

Yes. I thought so too considering Barry Kelly was letting a lot go. I was only saying Joe Canning was having a quiet game by his standards when he came to life in last 15 minutes to win it. A Tipp defender possibly Cahill or Kennedy had a rush of blood to head letting fly with a ground strike with 7 minutes to go which went straight to Canning out by sideline who scored a great point. Very exciting game and Tipp will be so disappointed not to have got a draw at least.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 07, 2017, 09:28:43 AM
Tipp came out all guns blazing and it was the Galway fullback line that looked to be under pressure and not the one at the other end of the field. Awful mess from Tuohy for the goal but he'd a great game when he settled down later on. The Tipp forwards were very sharp and looking like they meant business in all aspects of their play with nothing easy let out and the Galway backs were under huge pressure, fair means or foul with Kelly picking them up for it. When Seamus Callanan gets carded you know they're fired up. Galway were poor and very sloppy, missed picks, fumbles and so forth, but credit has to go to Tipp, they hounded them down in Kilkenny like fashion and never let them get their heads up.
At the other end it did look as if Tipp were playing someone deep in front of James Barry, but Conor Whelan was still getting the scores, Joe couldn't get on a ball from play and was a bit hit and miss on the frees and a bit of greed from Conor Cooney denying a goal opportunity for Whelan as well. Joe Cooney was also quiet and well subdued by the Tipp backs.
It was only when McInerney and Coen got going in the second half that you could see Galway start to get the upper hand, but the scoreboard was never greater than a few points either way, but you could sense Galway growing into the game more, still sloppy and poor decisions being made allowing the lethal Tipp forwards to keep things close.
Galway will be happy, beating Tipp and not being overly great. I'd say you could count the Galway lads who could say they played well with the fingers on one hand and there's much room for improvement, particularly in the forwards, but either Waterford or Cork will provide a different challenge the next day out.
Tipp are Tipp won't be happy with being beaten but they are not to be written off just yet.

As for the referee, I think hurling and the tackle in particular is going down the same route as football as it's now a blur of arms, hands, hurls and whatever else across the players body and hence overcarrying and so forth, almost impossible to know what's acceptable now and in that regard I thought Kelly did well. Both teams could point to instances were they were denied frees and other times when they get soft ones. Nothing glaringly obvious for Kelly to be criticised for IMO.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on August 07, 2017, 10:46:53 AM
Not a classic by any means but a great win nonetheless!  Canning showed all his class in those last 15 mins - he dragged us to the final - his composure was a joy to witness as CP was an absolute cauldron in those closing stages.  Special mention to Gearoid Mc, was an absolute rock throughout and especially in the second half.  Was probably surprised to have Noel McGraths company early on but took it in his stride - probably the most improved Galway player over the last 2 years.  Plenty to work on for the final but it's a mature panel at this point and they will be well aware that an improved display will be required next month - great to be hurling in Sept all the same!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 07, 2017, 11:31:53 AM
Tipp came out all guns blazing and it was the Galway fullback line that looked to be under pressure and not the one at the other end of the field. Awful mess from Tuohy for the goal but he'd a great game when he settled down later on. The Tipp forwards were very sharp and looking like they meant business in all aspects of their play with nothing easy let out and the Galway backs were under huge pressure, fair means or foul with Kelly picking them up for it. When Seamus Callanan gets carded you know they're fired up. Galway were poor and very sloppy, missed picks, fumbles and so forth, but credit has to go to Tipp, they hounded them down in Kilkenny like fashion and never let them get their heads up.
At the other end it did look as if Tipp were playing someone deep in front of James Barry, but Conor Whelan was still getting the scores, Joe couldn't get on a ball from play and was a bit hit and miss on the frees and a bit of greed from Conor Cooney denying a goal opportunity for Whelan as well. Joe Cooney was also quiet and well subdued by the Tipp backs.
It was only when McInerney and Coen got going in the second half that you could see Galway start to get the upper hand, but the scoreboard was never greater than a few points either way, but you could sense Galway growing into the game more, still sloppy and poor decisions being made allowing the lethal Tipp forwards to keep things close.
Galway will be happy, beating Tipp and not being overly great. I'd say you could count the Galway lads who could say they played well with the fingers on one hand and there's much room for improvement, particularly in the forwards, but either Waterford or Cork will provide a different challenge the next day out.
Tipp are Tipp won't be happy with being beaten but they are not to be written off just yet.

As for the referee, I think hurling and the tackle in particular is going down the same route as football as it's now a blur of arms, hands, hurls and whatever else across the players body and hence overcarrying and so forth, almost impossible to know what's acceptable now and in that regard I thought Kelly did well. Both teams could point to instances were they were denied frees and other times when they get soft ones. Nothing glaringly obvious for Kelly to be criticised for IMO.
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Galway got 17 frees to tipps 8, considering the possession stats   so you reckon Tipp where twice as dirty
The free awarded at the death was very soft but fair play to canning for scoring so far out
Tipp missed plenty of chances to close to deal but didn't fluff any more than Galway
Draw would have been fair
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Tipp were a bit unsettled with the Barrett story. They are a class outfit but as the boys on TSG were saying they could have 3 or 4 all Irelands.
Galway need to score a few goals the next day.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 07, 2017, 12:03:26 PM
Tipp came out all guns blazing and it was the Galway fullback line that looked to be under pressure and not the one at the other end of the field. Awful mess from Tuohy for the goal but he'd a great game when he settled down later on. The Tipp forwards were very sharp and looking like they meant business in all aspects of their play with nothing easy let out and the Galway backs were under huge pressure, fair means or foul with Kelly picking them up for it. When Seamus Callanan gets carded you know they're fired up. Galway were poor and very sloppy, missed picks, fumbles and so forth, but credit has to go to Tipp, they hounded them down in Kilkenny like fashion and never let them get their heads up.
At the other end it did look as if Tipp were playing someone deep in front of James Barry, but Conor Whelan was still getting the scores, Joe couldn't get on a ball from play and was a bit hit and miss on the frees and a bit of greed from Conor Cooney denying a goal opportunity for Whelan as well. Joe Cooney was also quiet and well subdued by the Tipp backs.
It was only when McInerney and Coen got going in the second half that you could see Galway start to get the upper hand, but the scoreboard was never greater than a few points either way, but you could sense Galway growing into the game more, still sloppy and poor decisions being made allowing the lethal Tipp forwards to keep things close.
Galway will be happy, beating Tipp and not being overly great. I'd say you could count the Galway lads who could say they played well with the fingers on one hand and there's much room for improvement, particularly in the forwards, but either Waterford or Cork will provide a different challenge the next day out.
Tipp are Tipp won't be happy with being beaten but they are not to be written off just yet.

As for the referee, I think hurling and the tackle in particular is going down the same route as football as it's now a blur of arms, hands, hurls and whatever else across the players body and hence overcarrying and so forth, almost impossible to know what's acceptable now and in that regard I thought Kelly did well. Both teams could point to instances were they were denied frees and other times when they get soft ones. Nothing glaringly obvious for Kelly to be criticised for IMO.
[/b]

Galway got 17 frees to tipps 8, considering the possession stats   so you reckon Tipp where twice as dirty
The free awarded at the death was very soft but fair play to canning for scoring so far out
Tipp missed plenty of chances to close to deal but didn't fluff any more than Galway
Draw would have been fair

Depends where and why the frees were awarded. It's always been easier to get frees when not in the scoring zones and IMO the Tipp attack were sailing into tackles on the wild side of things and rightly getting caught out. The Galway attackers barring Joe who must have given up almost half that count were more disciplined/less inclined to tackle.
I also said that the way things are going it's getting harder for referee's to control the contact areas due to the succession of "little" fouls that are let go. Kilkenny were the masters of it and knew how to work most referees in this regard.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 01:34:23 PM
The Tipp forwards are the best in the business
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2017, 02:12:49 PM
Kelly was grand, didnt really notice a wild amount of things he got wrong, couple of years ago he tighten things up and blew for a lot and this game here he didnt and let the game go with a few challenges that maybe were borderline, thats the problem though with the advantage rule in hurling..

Was he wearing an earpiece ? Just never seen it and wondered
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: theskull1 on August 07, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
Looked to be a few occasions where BK blew for fouls but looked to be blindsided. Assumed the lineman was calling them
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 07, 2017, 03:32:34 PM
Kelly was grand, didnt really notice a wild amount of things he got wrong, couple of years ago he tighten things up and blew for a lot and this game here he didnt and let the game go with a few challenges that maybe were borderline, thats the problem though with the advantage rule in hurling..

Was he wearing an earpiece ? Just never seen it and wondered

http://www.newsjs.com/url.php?p=http://www.tipperarystar.ie/news/sport/263809/tipperary-vs-galway-premier-county-smarting-over-bizarre-refereeing-decisions.html

Sorry MR2 gonna have to agree to disagree again
To much of a difference in the free count
Tipps discipline was twice as bad as Galway no way but sometimes the urge to see a team that hasn't won an all Ireland in a while can cloud our judgement
Tipp as a county carry themselves with an arrogant swagger which makes them less endearing
It's Kelly's job to rise above all that and play it square
Better crop of young refs coming through
Seen some of them in Antrim league and C Ring games this year
The sooner they get these games the better
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
Kelly was grand, didnt really notice a wild amount of things he got wrong, couple of years ago he tighten things up and blew for a lot and this game here he didnt and let the game go with a few challenges that maybe were borderline, thats the problem though with the advantage rule in hurling..

Was he wearing an earpiece ? Just never seen it and wondered

http://www.newsjs.com/url.php?p=http://www.tipperarystar.ie/news/sport/263809/tipperary-vs-galway-premier-county-smarting-over-bizarre-refereeing-decisions.html

Sorry MR2 gonna have to agree to disagree again
To much of a difference in the free count
Tipps discipline was twice as bad as Galway no way but sometimes the urge to see a team that hasn't won an all Ireland in a while can cloud our judgement
Tipp as a county carry themselves with an arrogant swagger which makes them less endearing
It's Kelly's job to rise above all that and play it square
Better crop of young refs coming through
Seen some of them in Antrim league and C Ring games this year
The sooner they get these games the better

Ref'd a game at the weekend and one team had easily double the free count....

To me thats just one team more reckless in the tackle...

Why would Kelly cares who wins the All Ireland bar his own county?

One soft free given here and there, but Kelly is calling it and its going at 100 mph!! so I'd say cut him some slack, 68,000 at the match hundred thousand more watching, its not a div 3 game in Antrim

Galway should have got a penalty and didnt get it
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 09, 2017, 03:40:51 AM
http://www.the42.ie/the-sunday-game-joe-canning-point-reaction-3533558-Aug2017/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on August 10, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
De Burca cleared to play
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 10, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
I'm glad but it's a dangerous precedent. They have to have considered it accidental.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 10, 2017, 11:25:12 PM
I'm glad but it's a dangerous precedent. They have to have considered it accidental.

I just heard that has been retracted. No decision yet.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on August 11, 2017, 08:30:21 AM
So no De Burca after all
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 11, 2017, 11:43:56 AM
So no De Burca after all

Legal Speak;

An application to the DRA by Waterford Senior Hurler, Tadgh De Burca, challenging the decision of the Central Hearings Committee to impose a One Match Suspension for the offence of Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent, including deliberately pulling on or taking hold of a faceguard or any part of an opponent’s helmet  (Riail 7.2 (b) Cat III (iv) T.O 2017) arising out of an incident which occurred during the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship game between Waterford and Wexford, which said decision had been upheld by the Central Appeals Committee, was dismissed by a DRA Tribunal hearing at the Louis Fitzgerald Hotel, Dublin on 10 August 2017.

The DRA Tribunal (Rory Mulcahy SC, Mr Niall Cunningham, solicitor and Ms Orlaith Mannion) held that the Claimant had failed to establish the decisions of the CHC and CAC were irrational in finding the infraction to have occurred and in imposing the minimum suspension.

This statement is for information purposes only. The Tribunal’s full reasoned, written award will be communicated to the parties and published on the DRA website in due course.


So it looks like his appeal that the original decision was irrational was dismissed.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 11, 2017, 06:06:22 PM
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Delighted to see Adrian Tuohy will not miss the All-Ireland final but it will make it all the more galling if Tadhg De Burca is suspended
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
Regardless of the suspension I think Cork will do enough to get over the line tomorrow ... good break won't do them too hard in fairness as Waterford haven't played in a while also... be good to see a completely different final paring though... either way I'm hoping for a great match
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 12, 2017, 10:47:05 PM
Regardless of the suspension I think Cork will do enough to get over the line tomorrow ... good break won't do them too hard in fairness as Waterford haven't played in a while also... be good to see a completely different final paring though... either way I'm hoping for a great match

Hard to see a game of last weeks excitement as Waterford aren't inclined to have enough forwards to expose the Cork fullback line.
Hoping for a deise win, but Cork are rightly favourites
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 12:34:45 AM
Regardless of the suspension I think Cork will do enough to get over the line tomorrow ... good break won't do them too hard in fairness as Waterford haven't played in a while also... be good to see a completely different final paring though... either way I'm hoping for a great match

Hard to see a game of last weeks excitement as Waterford aren't inclined to have enough forwards to expose the Cork fullback line.
Hoping for a deise win, but Cork are rightly favourites
cannot believe Waterford are being written off

finally beat Kilkenny in the championship
beat the Wexicans easily enough without playing too well
the first day v Cork Austin had a poor game.
they will stifle Cork forwards and stop all thos tippy tappy hurling and cut down space
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: From the Bunker on August 13, 2017, 12:53:27 AM
Regardless of the suspension I think Cork will do enough to get over the line tomorrow ... good break won't do them too hard in fairness as Waterford haven't played in a while also... be good to see a completely different final paring though... either way I'm hoping for a great match

Hard to see a game of last weeks excitement as Waterford aren't inclined to have enough forwards to expose the Cork fullback line.
Hoping for a deise win, but Cork are rightly favourites
cannot believe Waterford are being written off

finally beat Kilkenny in the championship
beat the Wexicans easily enough without playing too well
the first day v Cork Austin had a poor game.
they will stifle Cork forwards and stop all thos tippy tappy hurling and cut down space

The reason Waterford are being written off is Kilkenny and Wexford are shite this year!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 09:28:29 AM
Waterford haven't become a bad team, Cork have just improved, this will be a tight game and Waterford have as much chance to win it, in fact the bookies can't separate them either!

I'd love to see Waterford Galway final as it will produce a new (ish) winner but I'd also like to see a swashbuckling final which a Cork Galway will produce..
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 10:35:49 AM
Waterford have experience and came well through the qualifiers. You wouldn't know about Cork.
And it's august.
Deise by 2 points

I think "Kilkenny are shite" has a lovely ring to it
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Waterford have experience and came well through the qualifiers. You wouldn't know about Cork.
And it's august.
Deise by 2 points

I think "Kilkenny are shite" has a lovely ring to it

We get it Seafoid !!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 10:49:40 AM
Waterford have experience and came well through the qualifiers. You wouldn't know about Cork.
And it's august.
Deise by 2 points

I think "Kilkenny are shite" has a lovely ring to it

We get it Seafoid !!!
I was in some pub in Dublin on the morning of the 2015 final and looking at the KK fans. They looked so jaded.
Winning 10 all Irelands would probably do that to you.
There was no excitement when the cup was presented. It was like finishing a spreadsheet. 

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Who would Galway like to meet? Cork or Waterford?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
Who would Galway like to meet? Cork or Waterford?
We have never beaten Cork in a final but this Cork team is not very experienced and we have never beaten Waherford in championship but this year I would say we are better pound for pound. I think this team is ruthless.  Bring it on ! 
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 01:49:39 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0812/896901-cork-worries-the-dismal-record-of-munster-champions/
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: thejuice on August 13, 2017, 03:10:21 PM
I don't think Galway should fear either team but they have a poor record in finals since 1988 so it wouldn't surprise me if they came unstuck.but fingers crossed I hope they do it.

My father is a Galway hurling man and he's had poor enough health of late, god willing it will do the world of good to him for Galway to finally bridge the gap.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
Poor enough first half. Waterford look more likely at this stage
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.
true
this is a trend in county hurling
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:19:50 PM
Cork are trying to hit the ball down the wings to bypass the sweeper but overhitting. Sign of a lack of experience.

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
referee doing the opposite now

everything is a free
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 04:32:07 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.

Zulu stick to the football threads please..

Hate the sweeper system at this level, hopefully Cork win through
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:38:26 PM
Deise missing chances and Cork dependent on Horgan
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
Game over now! Dick
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.

Zulu stick to the football threads please..

Hate the sweeper system at this level, hopefully Cork win through

Oh dear, the self appointed defender of shite refereeing speaks. There has been some awful decisions or non-decisions.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:43:14 PM
Cork have won enough
come on Waterford
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:43:49 PM
Very close match unlike another sport I could mention <cough>
Deise doing well without TdB
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 04:45:49 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.

Zulu stick to the football threads please..

Hate the sweeper system at this level, hopefully Cork win through

Oh dear, the self appointed defender of shite refereeing speaks. There has been some awful decisions or non-decisions.

Sure you're a good man for knowledge
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
what a rob by Austin!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:48:33 PM
Goal for the Deise
Cork down to 14
Deise up by 2
13 mins left
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:49:31 PM
Austin Gleeson goal for the Deise
Free blas all day tomorow
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
that's fantastic skill
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
Munster champions have only won 3 of their last 10 semis
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 04:54:41 PM
Munster champions have only won 3 of their last 10 semis
Austin Gleeson goal for the Deise
Free blas all day tomorow

Different game now...
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 04:57:39 PM
red card time
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:58:31 PM
Conor Gleeson and Horgan sent off
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 04:59:25 PM
A year without any one of the old firm in the final is a great year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2017, 05:00:47 PM
What was Gleeson thinking?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 05:03:39 PM
What was Gleeson thinking?

With Gleeson missing the final there will be 2 sweepers in the final!!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
Good start to the game but referee has decided there are no fouls in hurling which might help the spectacle but he is not doing his job.

Zulu stick to the football threads please..

Hate the sweeper system at this level, hopefully Cork win through

Oh dear, the self appointed defender of shite refereeing speaks. There has been some awful decisions or non-decisions.

Sure you're a good man for knowledge

All you need to know are the basic rules. Delighted Waterford have won.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: laoislad on August 13, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
Delighted for Waterford hope they win it now.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Austin Gleeson to be done for the helmet incident?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
John Mullane said he would ride a horse naked down the Quay in Waterford if then won the All Ireland
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Hardy on August 13, 2017, 05:10:27 PM
Austin Gleeson to be done for the helmet incident?

Has to be.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
Delighted for Waterford hope they win it now.
An inspiration to teams with blue and white jerseys.
Laois, Waterford, Monaghan and Cavan haven't had a lot of success recently
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Austin Gleeson to be done for the helmet incident?

Has to be.

Should have been sent off at the time...

Galway to win final unless Waterford go for it and believe in their own abilty
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: maigheo on August 13, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
Delighted for Waterford.Jamie Barron an absolute gem of a hurler-my man of the match.Also Austin Gleeson a joy to watch even tho I would say he had no more than 10 or 11 possessions .
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 05:23:29 PM
Delighted for Waterford.Jamie Barron an absolute gem of a hurler-my man of the match.Also Austin Gleeson a joy to watch even tho I would say he had no more than 10 or 11 possessions .
and he is a dirty player
gets involved in a lot of sillyness
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: highorlow on August 13, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
In fairness to Gleeson in real time the Cork lad was falling and it looked like Gleeson was also off balance and stuck his had out to maintain balance and sort of grazed off his helmet at the same time. Nothing sinister in it I think.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 13, 2017, 05:26:29 PM
In fairness to Gleeson in real time the Cork lad was falling and it looked like Gleeson was also off balance and stuck his had out to maintain balance and sort of grazed off his helmet at the same time. Nothing sinister in it I think.

I want you defending me if I ever have to go to court 😀
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
Just saw a replay and you couldn't be more wrong. He deliberately pulled the helmet off for no reason and while it will be a real shame should he be suspended for an All Ireland he can few complaints if he is.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 05:41:24 PM
Cork were very disappointing Munster champions. Other than Horgan the forwards were MIA. The strike and KK did a lot of long term damage. It will take a while for them to get back to the top.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
Cork were very disappointing Munster champions. Other than Horgan the forwards were MIA. The strike and KK did a lot of long term damage. It will take a while for them to get back to the top.

I don't know what game you were watching but had Cork had 15 players at the finish they would have won the match, Waterford play a boring style
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 13, 2017, 05:52:19 PM
Cork were very disappointing Munster champions. Other than Horgan the forwards were MIA. The strike and KK did a lot of long term damage. It will take a while for them to get back to the top.

Ah here.Cork were looking likely winners until the first sending off. Against a sweeper system that's a very difficult gap to bridge.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 06:11:30 PM
Cork were very disappointing Munster champions. Other than Horgan the forwards were MIA. The strike and KK did a lot of long term damage. It will take a while for them to get back to the top.

Ah here.Cork were looking likely winners until the first sending off. Against a sweeper system that's a very difficult gap to bridge.
I'd say they will be very disappointed.
5th year out of 6 that the Munster champions lose the semi
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 06:13:37 PM
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Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: didlyi on August 13, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.

Just read that back, Tipp (All Ireland champions) Clare (recent All Ireland champions) and Waterford who have great recent track record of reaching semi finals and finals all had off days??
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 06:21:02 PM
https://twitter.com/trevorcarey1982

has a picture of the helmet pull
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.
Cork simply peaked before todays game.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.

Just read that back, Tipp (All Ireland champions) Clare (recent All Ireland champions) and Waterford who have great recent track record of reaching semi finals and finals all had off days??
Clare had a poor enough year. Tipp could have beaten Cork. I think there was a last minute goal. Waterford weren't at August speed.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.

Just read that back, Tipp (All Ireland champions) Clare (recent All Ireland champions) and Waterford who have great recent track record of reaching semi finals and finals all had off days??
Clare had a poor enough year. Tipp could have beaten Cork. I think there was a last minute goal. Waterford weren't at August speed.

Tip could have beaten Galway!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 13, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
Cork were very disappointing Munster champions. Other than Horgan the forwards were MIA. The strike and KK did a lot of long term damage. It will take a while for them to get back to the top.

Ah here.Cork were looking likely winners until the first sending off. Against a sweeper system that's a very difficult gap to bridge.
I'd say they will be very disappointed.
5th year out of 6 that the Munster champions lose the semi

I'd say they're disappointed to lose an All Ireland semi final alright. I'd be worried if they weren't.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 06:45:38 PM
Cork went through Munster without being tested by any team operating at their potential. Tipp Clare and Waterford all under performed on the day.

Just read that back, Tipp (All Ireland champions) Clare (recent All Ireland champions) and Waterford who have great recent track record of reaching semi finals and finals all had off days??
Clare had a poor enough year. Tipp could have beaten Cork. I think there was a last minute goal. Waterford weren't at August speed.

Tip could have beaten Galway!
there is nothing between them
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 13, 2017, 06:58:13 PM
Should be a good final and for the neutral supporter two very popular teams are going to battle it out for their first win in years. Now to get a ticket.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: theskull1 on August 13, 2017, 07:26:23 PM
Waterford will be down 2 Gleesons for the final
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
Cork were still very good for a lot of today. The man down massively changed the game. Their pace and movement was impressive though they maybe need a plan b for puckouts as a good few went out of play when waterford tightened up a bit.

Waterford were very good in parts and in parts i wasn't too sure with their sweeper system. 15 on 14 freed up the forwards to go one on one and it was game over. That and gleeson finally started to play. Also maurice shanahan gives them a good scoring outlet which they don't have so much of without him.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Cork were still very good for a lot of today. The man down massively changed the game. Their pace and movement was impressive though they maybe need a plan b for puckouts as a good few went out of play when waterford tightened up a bit.

Waterford were very good in parts and in parts i wasn't too sure with their sweeper system. 15 on 14 freed up the forwards to go one on one and it was game over. That and gleeson finally started to play. Also maurice shanahan gives them a good scoring outlet which they don't have so much of without him.
They weren't fully up to speed- Waterford had more experience. And you have to be accurate in August.
I think they will be good in 2 years if they stick at it
Waterford have a deeper bench as well.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
The sending off was massive in that game. I wouldn't be 100% that 15 on 15 the outcome would have been the same - it would definitely have been much closer and the defense wouldn't have had those gaps. They were up to speed rightly.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: maigheo on August 13, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
On a different note really enjoy Brendan Cummins on co commentary.Does not speak for the sake of it and has a very relaxed demeanor
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
The sending off was massive in that game. I wouldn't be 100% that 15 on 15 the outcome would have been the same - it would definitely have been much closer and the defense wouldn't have had those gaps. They were up to speed rightly.
Experienced teams are less likely to get someone sent off I think.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
The sending off was massive in that game. I wouldn't be 100% that 15 on 15 the outcome would have been the same - it would definitely have been much closer and the defense wouldn't have had those gaps. They were up to speed rightly.
Experienced teams are less likely to get someone sent off I think.
Wtf are you going on about? Fwiw, the "more experienced" team should have had their main man sent off in the 1st half!

Cork were every bit as good, if not better, until they lost a man.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
The sending off was massive in that game. I wouldn't be 100% that 15 on 15 the outcome would have been the same - it would definitely have been much closer and the defense wouldn't have had those gaps. They were up to speed rightly.
Experienced teams are less likely to get someone sent off I think.

They had a man sent off :o

I would agree hs. I wanted waterford to win but was very impressed by cork's movement and ability to find men in space.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
I think seafoid has a problem with teams that regularly beat Galway when it matters.... possibly he feels Cork would have beaten them on the day... Waterford will bore us, but the more seafoid goes on here I'll be cheering Waterford on! When Galway was always my fav team!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2017, 09:57:09 PM
Waterford don't bore me at all! It's not like the scores are 0-6 to 0-5.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 10:07:43 PM
I think seafoid has a problem with teams that regularly beat Galway when it matters.... possibly he feels Cork would have beaten them on the day... Waterford will bore us, but the more seafoid goes on here I'll be cheering Waterford on! When Galway was always my fav team!
Galway are anti Brexit, MR
Lookit

I think we would beat either of them TBH, all other things being equal.
Galway seem to be favs 2/5 vs 7/4
I had a sense of a repeat of 08 watching the reaction of the Waterford fans. It's not about romance.
They will probably play a Sweeper.
Galway played Offaly who had 2 sweepers.
So they just shot points from 50 and 60 yards out

Either team winning will be good for the sport
the last time the old firm were missing was 98 I think
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
Waterford don't bore me at all! It's not like the scores are 0-6 to 0-5.

Sweeper system just isn't for me as I think Waterford can hurl without it... I would have used it when manager when up against teams that would have destroyed us, but it wasn't attractive
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2017, 10:12:45 PM
Waterford don't bore me at all! It's not like the scores are 0-6 to 0-5.

Sweeper system just isn't for me as I think Waterford can hurl without it... I would have used it when manager when up against teams that would have destroyed us, but it wasn't attractive

Agreed. I think they can be much better without it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
Waterford don't bore me at all! It's not like the scores are 0-6 to 0-5.

Sweeper system just isn't for me as I think Waterford can hurl without it... I would have used it when manager when up against teams that would have destroyed us, but it wasn't attractive

Agreed. I think they can be much better without it.
It will be a big decision for them
As Derek McGrath said at least up for the match will be different
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
How big a decision is it? They're hardly expected to fcuk the season's game plan in the bin and try something new for the final!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
How big a decision is it? They're hardly expected to fcuk the season's game plan in the bin and try something new for the final!

If I remember they did bin it one time before and where brilliant
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2017, 10:33:46 PM
Yeah but they took a tanking with it that time so had to change it. Different this time.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
Either way I wanted a new final but an entertaining one... hotel and train booked! Just need tickets!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
Either way I wanted a new final but an entertaining one... hotel and train booked! Just need tickets!
there'll be plenty in Kilkenny and Tipp this year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2017, 11:19:57 PM
Either way I wanted a new final but an entertaining one... hotel and train booked! Just need tickets!
there'll be plenty in Kilkenny and Tipp this year

And Cork I'd imagine
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 13, 2017, 11:56:57 PM
Either way I wanted a new final but an entertaining one... hotel and train booked! Just need tickets!
there'll be plenty in Kilkenny and Tipp this year

And Cork I'd imagine
they're in the minor
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2017, 09:32:16 AM
Was down at the game and you get a different perspective of the sweeper and even how Waterford forwards operate sitting high in the stand.
From early on in the first half you could see what Waterford were trying to do. They were sucking every forward out the field barring one, but when they got possession it seemed that they'd targeted young Coleman and forced him down deep into his own defence as much as possible, with Kevin Moran initially then Brick Walsh who are both serious operators in the air and pumped the ball in on top of him and when they did manage to avoid the Cork sweeper it was working. Moran got a few runs at the Cork defence, and Walsh was winning possession and popping off the passes to others.
Cork were reasonably successful at picking their men out but Waterford has bottled Lehane and Harnedy up well especially Lehane in the first half as I can't remember him on the ball much. Horgan was the man keeping Cork ticking even though he did miss some easy frees. But in general Cork were losing all the areas of physical contact, Waterford had shutdown a lot of the Cork puck out options meaning Nash was going long and trying to hit space with the ball as Waterford were so dominant in the ruck ball and even before Cahalane got the line I honestly thought that Waterford would shade it in the end. The sending off just made the scoreline much wider. If Cork are to progress the next step they need a few more ball winning forwards and indeed defenders more dominant in the air and more robust in the tackle. They have lightening speed in abundance, delightful wristy hurlers but the balance isn't right yet to win an AI. For every JBM you need a Timmy Crowley.

Who'd you ever manage that Austin Gleeson fella? Absolutely brilliant one minute and then you see what's he's done with your mans helmet the next and he should rightly get a one game ban like DeBurca. How frustrating that must be for McGrath. Club hurling in Waterford can cut up a bit rough from all accounts, but sweet jesus, you're in an AI semi-final with more camera's on you than enough, 70K people watching it, two of your team mates have already received red cards and missed games for the same thing FFS. Words fail me.
Conor Gleesons was also a mind fart. The game was as good as won and he goes and swipes out at Horgan. Ref didn't see it and went on the word of the linesman who then sent the wrong Corkman off....

As for the final, Austin Gleeson will be a loss, there's no doubt and Darragh Fives who was outstanding yesterday will maybe push up the field a bit to fill Conor Gleesons shoes with DeBurca doing his customary role. TBH with Fives outstanding display yesterday and he is better in the air than DeBurca I'd be incline to keep him sweeping with DeBurca pushing up a bit as Galway will go route 1 to avoid the sweeper and aerial prowess in the Waterford fullback line will be required in abundance.
Galway are rightly favourites, but Waterford won't let them have it their own way, but we'll see a new winner with it being 60 odd years since Waterford last won and 30 odd years since Galway won. It's all good IMO.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 14, 2017, 10:04:59 AM
Austin Gleeson produced about 5 minutes of sublime hurling yesterday, and was the main reason Waterford kicked on and won, but for the other 65 minutes he was fairly anonymous and a frustrated figure I felt. When he gets frustrated he has a relatively short fuse.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 14, 2017, 11:52:23 AM
Austin Gleeson produced about 5 minutes of sublime hurling yesterday, and was the main reason Waterford kicked on and won, but for the other 65 minutes he was fairly anonymous and a frustrated figure I felt. When he gets frustrated he has a relatively short fuse.

Couldn't agree more on Gleeson
Was at the match and he was a passenger to cork lost there full back and off he went
Prior to that he was brutal he even dropped his hurl on one occasion and fluffed an easy hand pass which led to a cork score
The goal looked great but if brick wasn't standing there Nash would have come out to meet him
I have no dislike for him but can't understand why he got hurler of the year when he got cleaned out in a Munster final last year

Give me a Jamie Barron any day
As my dad use to say
"If you get a reputation for getting up early then you can sleep in to lunch time unnoticed "
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: theskull1 on August 14, 2017, 12:12:37 PM
Yes......id be less worried about losing someone like Austin Gleeson than Jamie Barron or Kevin Moran. The media would disagree
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: lurganblue on August 14, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
Went to my 1st hurling game in Croke Park with my son.  I absolutely loved it.  The atmosphere was great and the game was nip and tuck until the sending off.  I was in the upper Davin and i must say it was a joy to watch the performance of Darragh Fives, especially in the 2nd half.

I didnt even get much abuse wearing my armagh top.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2017, 12:53:55 PM
Austin Gleeson produced about 5 minutes of sublime hurling yesterday, and was the main reason Waterford kicked on and won, but for the other 65 minutes he was fairly anonymous and a frustrated figure I felt. When he gets frustrated he has a relatively short fuse.

Couldn't agree more on Gleeson
Was at the match and he was a passenger to cork lost there full back and off he went
Prior to that he was brutal he even dropped his hurl on one occasion and fluffed an easy hand pass which led to a cork score
The goal looked great but if brick wasn't standing there Nash would have come out to meet him
I have no dislike for him but can't understand why he got hurler of the year when he got cleaned out in a Munster final last year

Give me a Jamie Barron any day
As my dad use to say
"If you get a reputation for getting up early then you can sleep in to lunch time unnoticed "

It's a bit like Joe Canning the previous week, unnoticed for 50 odd minutes barring giving Tipp soft frees but comes up with the goods for 15 minutes to get Galway over the line.
Thought Barron, Kevin Moran, Brick, Darragh Fives, the other Gleeson who hounded Lehane all day and Noel Connors were fantastic yesterday. They're the body and soul of this team with Austin and Maurice the creamy bit on top ,nice but won't sustain you when there's work to be done.

Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 14, 2017, 12:58:50 PM
Went to my 1st hurling game in Croke Park with my son.  I absolutely loved it.  The atmosphere was great and the game was nip and tuck until the sending off.  I was in the upper Davin and i must say it was a joy to watch the performance of Darragh Fives, especially in the 2nd half.

I didnt even get much abuse wearing my armagh top.

Gonna be interesting to see who gets the sweeper role for the final
Fives was outstanding
One observation from yesterday was the disappearance of corks pace
They thrive on space but could not get away from their men yesterday and are to small for a dogfight
Enda Mc Avoy summed it up perfect " cork are designed to flow but Waterford are designed to stop floods"
I am starting to have more respect for Derick Mc Grath as I think Waterford are in good fettle
The runs Barron made after 70 minutes hurling was unreal
I'm starting to think the final will be a closer affair than predicted
Galway depend on a lot of scores in the pocket where Connor whelan and Cooney operates and this is where Waterford have their foxholes
It's all set up for an ambush
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 14, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Austin Gleeson produced about 5 minutes of sublime hurling yesterday, and was the main reason Waterford kicked on and won, but for the other 65 minutes he was fairly anonymous and a frustrated figure I felt. When he gets frustrated he has a relatively short fuse.

Couldn't agree more on Gleeson
Was at the match and he was a passenger to cork lost there full back and off he went
Prior to that he was brutal he even dropped his hurl on one occasion and fluffed an easy hand pass which led to a cork score
The goal looked great but if brick wasn't standing there Nash would have come out to meet him
I have no dislike for him but can't understand why he got hurler of the year when he got cleaned out in a Munster final last year

Give me a Jamie Barron any day
As my dad use to say
"If you get a reputation for getting up early then you can sleep in to lunch time unnoticed "

It's a bit like Joe Canning the previous week, unnoticed for 50 odd minutes barring giving Tipp soft frees but comes up with the goods for 15 minutes to get Galway over the line.
Thought Barron, Kevin Moran, Brick, Darragh Fives, the other Gleeson who hounded Lehane all day and Noel Connors were fantastic yesterday. They're the body and soul of this team with Austin and Maurice the creamy bit on top ,nice but won't sustain you when there's work to be done.
Exactly
Canning is similar to Gleeson
I can imagine a scenario where Barron plays a blinder for another hour this year and still won't get HOTY if Waterford don't win
If canning pulls off a wonder score after being awol for 65 minutes to close the deal for Galway then he's HOTY
the press are obsessed with some players
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
Well it's the underdog final!

Hope Galway do it. Will do a lot strangely for Mayo Hurling especially our own club. Many from our club (in Mayo) have gone to Galway League and Championship games. And there is a fair chance that Liam would visit the club if it crosses the Shannon. Numbers have been falling off and this could give it a boost!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Franko on August 14, 2017, 01:35:26 PM
Austin Gleeson produced about 5 minutes of sublime hurling yesterday, and was the main reason Waterford kicked on and won, but for the other 65 minutes he was fairly anonymous and a frustrated figure I felt. When he gets frustrated he has a relatively short fuse.

Couldn't agree more on Gleeson
Was at the match and he was a passenger to cork lost there full back and off he went
Prior to that he was brutal he even dropped his hurl on one occasion and fluffed an easy hand pass which led to a cork score
The goal looked great but if brick wasn't standing there Nash would have come out to meet him
I have no dislike for him but can't understand why he got hurler of the year when he got cleaned out in a Munster final last year

Give me a Jamie Barron any day
As my dad use to say
"If you get a reputation for getting up early then you can sleep in to lunch time unnoticed "

It's a bit like Joe Canning the previous week, unnoticed for 50 odd minutes barring giving Tipp soft frees but comes up with the goods for 15 minutes to get Galway over the line.
Thought Barron, Kevin Moran, Brick, Darragh Fives, the other Gleeson who hounded Lehane all day and Noel Connors were fantastic yesterday. They're the body and soul of this team with Austin and Maurice the creamy bit on top ,nice but won't sustain you when there's work to be done.

I think boys are a bit sore on Gleeson.  Whilst he was definitely quiet for most of the game yesterday, he was trying hard.  He is the spark that ignites the rest of them.  He put in a block right in front of the Hogan at one stage that was one of those tackles that gets a team going.  He also created the second goal out of nothing by dispossessing the corner back and laying it on a plate from 35-40 yards for Barron.  Then there was his own goal.  People were saying he should have passed earlier but I think the defender in front of him played it well.  You could see Gleeson trying to draw him in so as he could lay the ball off.  But the Cork man was cute enough and wouldn't commit.  I think if he'd laid it off at that stage they would have bottled the receiver up.  At that stage Gleeson basically said 'f**k it' and went alone.  There's only 2-3 players in the game at the minute that could have made that goal from there. (Canning, Callanan, Bubbles maybe)  As for the helmet pulling incident - he deserves to miss the AIF for it.  Sheer stupidity.  But in his defence, he's only feckin 22 and will learn.  The hard way by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 14, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
I agree with a lot of that. He's definitely a talent. He does have a short fuse though. Ironically I think the block down you are talking about is when he did the helmet pull.

That 3 or 4 minute spell when he set up the goal, and scored the goal, was the winning of the game. His goal was brilliant, but the dispossession and vision for the first goal is indicative of what he brings to that team.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2017, 04:07:42 PM
I agree with a lot of that. He's definitely a talent. He does have a short fuse though. Ironically I think the block down you are talking about is when he did the helmet pull.

That 3 or 4 minute spell when he set up the goal, and scored the goal, was the winning of the game. His goal was brilliant, but the dispossession and vision for the first goal is indicative of what he brings to that team.

For a good while in front of us in the first half he was being marked by both Ellis and Joyce (I think he was the spare man) and in instances like those space and time on the ball will be at a premium.  Waterford were also feeding the wings and shooting from midfield. If you're garnering that much attention from the opposition then there's more space for the rest I suppose.
Doesn't take away from the fact that the media are wile fond of trying to polish a turd when it comes to some players.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Franko on August 14, 2017, 05:03:07 PM
I agree with a lot of that. He's definitely a talent. He does have a short fuse though. Ironically I think the block down you are talking about is when he did the helmet pull.

That 3 or 4 minute spell when he set up the goal, and scored the goal, was the winning of the game. His goal was brilliant, but the dispossession and vision for the first goal is indicative of what he brings to that team.

For a good while in front of us in the first half he was being marked by both Ellis and Joyce (I think he was the spare man) and in instances like those space and time on the ball will be at a premium.  Waterford were also feeding the wings and shooting from midfield. If you're garnering that much attention from the opposition then there's more space for the rest I suppose.
Doesn't take away from the fact that the media are wile fond of trying to polish a turd when it comes to some players.

Agreed certainly.  But I don't think Gleeson's in that bracket.  No polishing required IMO.

There are plenty of players who you'd know after 5 minutes that are just never going to see the game out.  They miss the first couple of balls and that's it, they're gone.  Gleeson, on the other hand is one of those guys who you'd never take off because you just never know what bit of genius he could conjure at any stage.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Aibhistín would be a huge loss for the final
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on August 14, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Aibhistín would be a huge loss for the final
He would, but it was a real brain fart moment he had yesterday and with all the recent trouble Waterford have had recently with this type of issue!  I hope he is available for the final all the same. 
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Austin gleeson cleared apparently?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
Seen that on social media, again could be fake... would want to see all the players available for the final, it's better to beat a team with its full complement, well the neutral supporter wants that..
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: omaghjoe on August 16, 2017, 07:50:17 AM
Bad decision opportunity for hurling to send a message is unacceptable. Gleeson's performance Sunday was a joy to watch but f**k me anybody messing with a face guard should receive a lengthy ban.
Probably take somebody to end up with a broken neck for zero tolerance
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
Bad decision opportunity for hurling to send a message is unacceptable. Gleeson's performance Sunday was a joy to watch but f**k me anybody messing with a face guard should receive a lengthy ban.
Probably take somebody to end up with a broken neck for zero tolerance

Agreed on the zero tolerance, he in my view pulled the face guard on purpose and should have been banned, thats the referee hat on..

but as a neutral heading to the final, I'd much prefer a full team available and going hell for leather for 70 plus minutes and the best team win, on this occasion I'll be cheering on Galway, their hurling at times is brilliant, I'm very impressed with the manager (which hasnt been mentined much) who has taken a potential team for many years to the top tree and maybe just maybe get over the line
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Franko on August 16, 2017, 10:00:39 AM
Speaking of managers, Kieran Kingston comes across as an absolute gentleman.  Hi post-match interview on Sunday was very honest and classy.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
Speaking of managers, Kieran Kingston comes across as an absolute gentleman.  Hi post-match interview on Sunday was very honest and classy.

His during the match conversations (to put it lightly) didnt seem that classy lol!! as did the Rocks
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2017, 10:42:31 AM
Speaking of managers, Kieran Kingston comes across as an absolute gentleman.  Hi post-match interview on Sunday was very honest and classy.

His during the match conversations (to put it lightly) didnt seem that classy lol!! as did the Rocks

That's fair game. You want your management to be in the game too, as long as they don't lose sight of the bigger picture. But to be able to come 'down' so quickly after the game is very impressive and classy. You could do a compare and contrast with a few other managers, but that would probably be unfair.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 16, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
Speaking of managers, Kieran Kingston comes across as an absolute gentleman.  Hi post-match interview on Sunday was very honest and classy.

His during the match conversations (to put it lightly) didnt seem that classy lol!! as did the Rocks

Game time is game time. Surely you that's managed knows that only too well!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2017, 10:51:51 AM
Purley tongue in cheek, i was the worst manager for giving out during a game, he was just caught a couple of times out by the camera with some, not fit for tv language.

Hes done a fantasic job to turn around Cork... I said it on the league thread that i liked the way Cork were playing during the league and that some of the players looked in fine form, it was the last 10 minutes of their league games that let them down

 dry surface hurlers with pace will always come good for the Championship and bar the sending off they would have (in my view) got to the final.. Plenty to work on but they wont be taken lightly next year
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 16, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Purley tongue in cheek, i was the worst manager for giving out during a game, he was just caught a couple of times out by the camera with some, not fit for tv language.

Hes done a fantasic job to turn around Cork... I said it on the league thread that i liked the way Cork were playing during the league and that some of the players looked in fine form, it was the last 10 minutes of their league games that let them down

 dry surface hurlers with pace will always come good for the Championship and bar the sending off they would have (in my view) got to the final.. Plenty to work on but they wont be taken lightly next year

TBH I thought Waterford had gotten to grips with Nash's puckouts and had the better of most of the Cork forwards barring Horgan and the odd Lehane cameo and were about to kick on as the sending off occurred. Granted they were two points down when Cahalane got the line but I just felt that bit more experience would have seen Waterford home.
The sending off obviously made that a formality as Cork inexplicably went 5 on 5 in their own defence and weren't winning any of the physical battles up the other end,
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
Purley tongue in cheek, i was the worst manager for giving out during a game, he was just caught a couple of times out by the camera with some, not fit for tv language.

Hes done a fantasic job to turn around Cork... I said it on the league thread that i liked the way Cork were playing during the league and that some of the players looked in fine form, it was the last 10 minutes of their league games that let them down

 dry surface hurlers with pace will always come good for the Championship and bar the sending off they would have (in my view) got to the final.. Plenty to work on but they wont be taken lightly next year

TBH I thought Waterford had gotten to grips with Nash's puckouts and had the better of most of the Cork forwards barring Horgan and the odd Lehane cameo and were about to kick on as the sending off occurred. Granted they were two points down when Cahalane got the line but I just felt that bit more experience would have seen Waterford home.
The sending off obviously made that a formality as Cork inexplicably went 5 on 5 in their own defence and weren't winning any of the physical battles up the other end,

When you have as many defenders as Waterford have you'll get to grips with most forwards, but they were still behind at that point and Cork were not themselves largely to Waterfords defensive tactics and relied heavly on Horgan, even with the man off Cork rallied a bit but as you say man on man they werent going to win those physical battles..

As for Cork they will have to prove themselves next year and watch on from the sidelines, good wee Cork minor team so not all doom and gloom for the Rebles

Whats Galway's best team selection for the final, based on Waterfords gameplan?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Syferus on August 16, 2017, 02:09:45 PM
Very much seems to me like the ref punted on the face mask pull and allowed for the dream final to take place with all major protagonists available. It'd be hard to calculate what Waterford would even be without Gleeson.

Not fair on Galway, but as a neutral I'm happy the best hurler in the country won't be sitting on the sideline for the AI final.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2017, 02:12:48 PM
Very much seems to me like the ref punted on the face mask pull and allowed for the dream final to take place with all major protagonists available. It'd be hard to calculate what Waterford would even be without Gleeson.

Not fair on Galway, but as a neutral I'm happy the best hurler in the country won't be sitting on the sideline for the AI final.

Austin Gleeson is not the best hurler in the country. He's a very good hurler, with moments of brilliance, and long periods of anonymity and flashes of bad temper. He's also only 22 or something, so he has a great chance to mature into the best player.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Syferus on August 16, 2017, 02:21:51 PM
Very much seems to me like the ref punted on the face mask pull and allowed for the dream final to take place with all major protagonists available. It'd be hard to calculate what Waterford would even be without Gleeson.

Not fair on Galway, but as a neutral I'm happy the best hurler in the country won't be sitting on the sideline for the AI final.

Austin Gleeson is not the best hurler in the country. He's a very good hurler, with moments of brilliance, and long periods of anonymity and flashes of bad temper. He's also only 22 or something, so he has a great chance to mature into the best player.

By simple definition he is, given he is the reigning PotY. Even a good performance losing the final and he will retain the award for another year. He is the best there is right now imho.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
POTY is, at best, subjective. Aussie was very poor in the Munster Final last year, and Seamie Callinan and John McGrath had better overall years, in my opinion.

This year, I would think Jamie Barron is ahead of him for POTY.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: skeog on August 16, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
James Owens not be reffing any big games in the future.Brian Crowe suffered same fate involving Noel o Leary.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 05:58:22 PM
Anthony Cunningham deserves a lot of credit for stopping the rot in Galway hurling. He went with winners rather than habitual losers when he chose his first panel in late 2011. 37 hurlers and 20 were from the u21 winning team of that year. Out went a load of well regarded hurlers. It had to be done.
In the previous 5 years Galway reached 0 finals.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
Purley tongue in cheek, i was the worst manager for giving out during a game, he was just caught a couple of times out by the camera with some, not fit for tv language.

Hes done a fantasic job to turn around Cork... I said it on the league thread that i liked the way Cork were playing during the league and that some of the players looked in fine form, it was the last 10 minutes of their league games that let them down

 dry surface hurlers with pace will always come good for the Championship and bar the sending off they would have (in my view) got to the final.. Plenty to work on but they wont be taken lightly next year

I also thought cork would have won 15 on 15. Yes waterford were better on the puckouts but cork had found another way second half - they were beginning to get a lot of joy out of the cusack stand side corner and had i think 3 points in a row exactly the same which waterford couldn't seem to combat.

I thought with the man off if cork had pulled the man back and left waterford two sweepers it would have been interesting to see if mcgrath had stayed with two sweepers or pushed the man up. I think the fella is very defensive and wouldn't be convinced what he would have done but kingston played right into his hands.

The galway challenge will be interesting. I feel waterford need to start playing much accurate ball into their forwards to win.  How galway handle kevin moran will be key. For all the talk of gleeson waterford would be nowhere without him.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 06:21:25 PM
POTY is, at best, subjective. Aussie was very poor in the Munster Final last year, and Seamie Callinan and John McGrath had better overall years, in my opinion.

This year, I would think Jamie Barron is ahead of him for POTY.
A lot of all stars are also  subjective
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
Between 1967 and 2007 a total of 1 Cork hurler was sent off in the championship.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2017, 08:06:33 PM
Purley tongue in cheek, i was the worst manager for giving out during a game, he was just caught a couple of times out by the camera with some, not fit for tv language.

Hes done a fantasic job to turn around Cork... I said it on the league thread that i liked the way Cork were playing during the league and that some of the players looked in fine form, it was the last 10 minutes of their league games that let them down

 dry surface hurlers with pace will always come good for the Championship and bar the sending off they would have (in my view) got to the final.. Plenty to work on but they wont be taken lightly next year

TBH I thought Waterford had gotten to grips with Nash's puckouts and had the better of most of the Cork forwards barring Horgan and the odd Lehane cameo and were about to kick on as the sending off occurred. Granted they were two points down when Cahalane got the line but I just felt that bit more experience would have seen Waterford home.
The sending off obviously made that a formality as Cork inexplicably went 5 on 5 in their own defence and weren't winning any of the physical battles up the other end,

Whats Galway's best team selection for the final, based on Waterfords gameplan?

Galway are fairly settled at this stage. I'd say the only debate will be whether to start Jason Flynn or Niall Burke. Even though he's a real confidence player I'd be tempted to start Flynn as he's often good for a goal or two. Nearly got one after he came on against Tipp. Plus Niall Burke always seems to play better off the bench.

Glynn to start on the bench too but I think he'll have a big part to play in the final. I was impressed with him after he came on against Tipp. Looks in much better shape than he was for the league final.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on August 17, 2017, 09:34:28 AM
Austin Gleson won't win hurler of the year unlesshe scores 2-08 in the final on half a leg and even then not guaranteed. Barron is probably the front runner although there will be a few Galway players in with a shout.

Syferus, you said not fair on Galway that Gleeson is available however Galway were also sweating over Tuohy (although his offense wasn't as blatant)

For me the most iportant players to Waterford are Moran and Brick as their guile, experience and workrate kept Waterford in it for the first 35 minutes. They are the real leaders in that Waterord team and without them Waterford wouldn't be in the AI never mind winning it. I thought they were both excellent in their roles last week. McGrath must have done his damnedest to make sure they stayed involved. 

Final is 50/50 for me and the media will really play up the Canning v Gleeson duel.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 17, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
Between 1967 and 2007 a total of 1 Cork hurler was sent off in the championship.
how many since??
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Plain of the Herbs on August 17, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
Was that one sending off in a qualifier against Galway in 2002 (I forget who the player was)?  Dónalogue against Galway in 2008, Pa Cronin against Offaly in 2011 were just two who were sent off since 2008.
Between 1967 and 2007 a total of 1 Cork hurler was sent off in the championship.
how many since??
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2017, 06:53:37 PM
Was the rock ever sent off? I mind some big hits but nothing dirty.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Minder on August 17, 2017, 07:10:57 PM
Was that one sending off in a qualifier against Galway in 2002 (I forget who the player was)?  Dónalogue against Galway in 2008, Pa Cronin against Offaly in 2011 were just two who were sent off since 2008.
Between 1967 and 2007 a total of 1 Cork hurler was sent off in the championship.
how many since??

Donal Og?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 17, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Patrick Horgan was sent off in the munster championship a few years back
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 17, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
Patrick Horgan was sent off in the munster championship a few years back
2013 Munster final in Limerick, harshly so if i recall right.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 18, 2017, 08:41:49 AM
Patrick Horgan was sent off in the munster championship a few years back
2013 Munster final in Limerick, harshly so if i recall right.

Rescinded in the smoked filled committee rooms a week or so later.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on August 18, 2017, 09:59:32 AM
Was that the strike on the helmet? If it was, it was a bit harsh, but he was lucky to get it overturned too.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 18, 2017, 02:20:18 PM
Was that the strike on the helmet? If it was, it was a bit harsh, but he was lucky to get it overturned too.

I think it was. Clumsy but reckless.
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2017, 03:03:11 PM
How's the ticket allocation going lads? Feelers are out so hoping to get something by Monday
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: johnneycool on August 18, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
How's the ticket allocation going lads? Feelers are out so hoping to get something by Monday

Do the referees in Antrim not get the option to buy one from Antrim CB?
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2017, 04:13:36 PM
How's the ticket allocation going lads? Feelers are out so hoping to get something by Monday

Do the referees in Antrim not get the option to buy one from Antrim CB?

Too many, so put in for a draw which is fair enough and the club does a draw also, managed to get both last time, tickets do become available, but its the usual waiting game!
Title: Re: Hurling Championship 2017
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 19, 2017, 03:25:08 AM
A lovely piece on a great man.

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Tony Keady: great character at heart of Galway hurling’s golden era
Obituary: career featured many high points and a famous controversy

Seán Moran
about 2 hours ago
     
With stark timing the sudden death of Tony Keady at the age of 53 has taken one of the great Galway hurlers just as the county is one match away from winning a first All-Ireland since his own playing days.

He was present at Croke Park earlier this month for the epic semi-final victory over Tipperary before taking suddenly unwell two days later. The sense of shock spread through the county and the broader GAA community that someone in such apparently good form, a larger-than-life character with a young family, could be so prematurely struck down.

During the greatest era for Galway hurling he was one of the leading figures, a dominant centre back who was strong in the air and a wonderful striker of the ball. Flanked by Peter Finnerty and Gerry McInerney, as he was for one last time when they shouldered his coffin in Renville Cemetery, he was at the heart of one of the great half-back lines in the history of the game.

With his distinctive white helmet, which was brought to the altar during his funeral, he was a highly visible presence on the field, who dependably rose to the biggest occasions, as a defender and dispatcher of long-range frees – he used to joke that the only distraction when he was addressing the dead ball was the last-second movement of the umpire to pick up his flag before the shot had been struck.

The list of his honours reads like an inventory of the most valued prizes in hurling: two All-Ireland senior medals and one under-21, two All Stars in 1986 and ’88, when he was also chosen as the Texaco Hurler of the Year.

Tony Keady was born on December 5th 1963, to Jimmy, who worked with Bórd na Móna, and Maureen (née Daly), in Attymon, Co Galway. He was the youngest of 11 children and attended the local national school before going into secondary education in Athenry Vocational School.

His talent as a hurler was evident from an early age with his club Killimordaly, with whom he would win a senior county title in 1986, and he famously enjoyed the first “big win” of his career in an under-16 tournament final for which the Connacht Tribune had offered a prize of 20 bicycles – Raleigh Choppers.

He would win All-Ireland vocational school titles with Galway, play for the county minors in the 1981 All-Ireland final and go one better with the under-21s.

His senior championship debut came in 1985 in an All-Ireland semi-final against champions Cork. A crowd of just 8,200 gives a sense of the public expectation but in a deluge Galway won well with Tony Keady attracting plaudits. This personal triumph gave way to sadness a couple of weeks later when his father Jimmy died after a long battle with emphysema.

It was an additional source of sadness for him that his father never got to see him winning the All-Ireland in 1987, against Kilkenny, and a year later when the late Breandán Ó hEithir, a regular hurling writer in these pages, made the following observation.

“The outstanding feature of this Galway team, in my view, is something which even good Galway teams in recent times lacked: coolness when their backs were against the well. This trait was shining through the play of Tony Keady at centre back.”

In 1989, with the team on the cusp of a three-in-a-row, disaster struck. He was suspended for playing without authorisation in the US despite arguing that he had been misled by assurances from the Laois club in New York that he was eligible to play.


He deadpanned in the Laochra Gael programme dedicated to him that he felt should his epitaph should be, `They should have let me play in ‘89!'
‘The Keady Affair’

In what is still known as “The Keady Affair,” the suspension ruled him out of Galway’s All-Ireland semi-final against Tipperary, the third time the counties had met in successive championships. With his team going for three-in-a-row, Keady would miss the biggest match of the season.

He would always resent the punishment and deadpanned in the Laochra Gael programme dedicated to him, that he felt should his epitaph should be, “They should have let me play in ‘89!”

His intercounty career ended relatively early, before he was 30, but he maintained his involvement in the game, coaching clubs – this year Ahascragh-Fehonagh – and serving as a selector with the Galway under-21s earlier this decade.

Having married Margaret Curran from Rathcairn in Meath, he settled in Frenchfort, Oranmore, and became an integral part of the community, adopting the local Oranmore-Maree club and working as the caretaker in Calasanctius College where he coached the school’s teams.

A keen golfer, he won a number of competitions but he was primarily devoted to his family. His children Shannon (15), Anthony (13) and twins Jake and Harry (11) inherited a love of sport and frequently accompanied their father to matches and training.