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#16
Quote from: whitey on March 27, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
From today's WSJ

'Jim Eagle' and Georgia's Voting Law
Biden compares state voting bills to Jim Crow, never mind the facts.
By  The Editorial Board
Updated March 26, 2021 7:21 pm ET
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Voting rights advocates demonstrate in front of the Georgia Govenor's Mansion in Atlanta on March 25.
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Georgia passed its over-hyped voting law on Thursday, and the news was met with more of the same. President Biden said at his news conference that the voting bills percolating in GOP state Legislatures are "un-American," "sick," "pernicious," and worse: "This makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle. "

C'mon, man, as Mr. Biden likes to say. The comparison is grotesque, and seeing that only requires swimming sideways for a minute to escape the rip current of the media narrative. Take a look at what's actually in the legislation—and what isn't.

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Georgia's new law leaves in place Sunday voting, a point of contention with earlier proposals, given that black churches have a "souls to the polls" tradition after services. The Legislature, rather, decided to expand weekend early voting statewide, by requiring two Saturdays instead of only one under current law. In total, Georgia offers three weeks of early voting, which began last year on Oct. 12. This is not exactly restrictive: Compare that with early voting that started Oct. 24 last year in New York.


The new law also leaves in place no-excuses absentee voting. Every eligible Georgia voter will continue to be allowed to request a mail ballot for the sake of simple convenience—or for no reason at all. Again, this is hardly restrictive: More than a dozen states, including Connecticut and Delaware, require mail voters to give a valid excuse.

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So what does the Georgia law do? First, it gets rid of signature matching, so election workers aren't trying to verify mail ballots by comparing John Hancocks. This subjective process should concern both sides. It creates avenues for contested outcomes, with fighting over ambiguous signatures. In 2018 about 2,400 ballots in Georgia were rejected for issues with the signature or oath, according to a recent paper in Political Research Quarterly. Those voters were 54% black.

Instead of signature matching, voters will submit a state ID number with their mail ballots or applications. This way there's no arguing over handwriting: The ID number either matches or it doesn't. Georgians who vote in person are already asked to show identification. Anyone who lacks an ID can get one for free.

The law says the state can suspend local election directors and appoint temporary replacements, which is painted as a plot against Democratic metropolitan areas. More likely it will be used on slipshod conduct in places like Floyd County, which last year initially overlooked some 2,600 ballots. The chief elections clerk was fired, but it's hard to blame the state for wanting to head off similar trouble.

Much hay is being made about a provision that prevents third parties from giving gifts, including "food and drink" to those standing in line at the polls. But the point is to prevent activists from showing up in union shirts—or National Rifle Association shirts, for that matter—and passing out drinks and snacks, with some subtle electioneering thrown in.


As for the genuinely thirsty, the new law specifically allows poll workers to provide "self-service water from an unattended receptacle." Also, the legislation recognizes that it's a failure if voters stand in line long enough to get parched. That's why it says wait times at large precincts must be measured three times throughout Election Day. If the line hits an hour, changes are required before the next election.

The law makes ballot drop boxes a permanent part of Georgia's voting architecture. The terms are tighter than they were during last year's pandemic emergency, but how is it part of "Jim Crow 2.0" to give absentee voters more options than they had in 2019? The legislation also says applications for mail ballots are due 11 days before the election, instead of four days. If that's racist, so is the U.S. Postal Service, which urges voters to allow 15 days for two-way delivery.

The runoff period will be shortened to four weeks. "The lengthy nine-week runoffs in 2020 were exhausting for candidates, donors, and electors," lawmakers said in their findings. "By adding ranked choice voting for military and overseas voters, the run-off period can be shortened to a more manageable period." This is politically touchy, since Democrats won two Senate runoffs on Jan. 5, but let's hear the policy argument for nine-week runoffs, instead of ad hominem attacks.

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No election rules are perfect. Ballot access, integrity and administration are all important. Mr. Biden knows this. Democrats aren't smearing Georgia because they believe their "Jim Crow" nonsense. Their strategy is to play the race card to justify breaking the Senate filibuster, so they can jam through their election reform known as H.R.1 and overrule 50 state voting laws.

I'm shocked.. Murdoch media has an opinion piece saying "nothing to see here" on the Republican efforts to restrict voter rights.
#17
Not sure if I am a Northerner or a Southerner. Lived in both before going overseas. Because I was born on the Northern side of the border I voted as a northerner. Truly I have never seen myself as either. But then I was born just south of Keady.😜
#18
It sure is. Fact and science based decision making is good apparently.
#19
Quote from: whitey on March 13, 2021, 03:07:15 PM
Quote from: omochain on March 13, 2021, 04:41:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 13, 2021, 03:05:36 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2021, 01:43:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 12, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
You said they sued after the election and after the votes had been cast

That is incorrect....they sued before the election

And based on what the PA Supreme Court ruled they were dead right to sue


"In its ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that ballots could be counted if they were received by 5 p.m. Nov. 6, as long as they were mailed by Election Day, Nov. 3. It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" unless there was strong evidence to the contrary."

You, yourself said that ballots received after the election should have a valid postmark

I said they "tried... to disqualify the votes " after the election.

Which is exactly what they did, despite the rules having already been approved.

And how many votes were in question over the postmark issue?

Was it the millions that Trump and Giuliani were suing left right and centre for weeks to get thrown out?

You'd be better off picking a better hill to die on than the GOP conduct in PA the election just past.



The standards the Republicans were arguing for before the election were identical to standards for mail in ballots that Democratic Secretaries of State had agreed upon in several other states.

What states and by which democratic Secretaries of State. And the context in which they were levied please?.


The Democrats brought a lawsuit arguing that ballots with non matching signatures, missing/illegible postmarks should be counted

Examples please

You yourself said the signatures should match and the postmark should be legible

BTW what logical conclusion show one come to when you are addressing someone with the handle Whitey.

Answer to your first question.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-mail-voting-policies-in-effect-for-the-2020-election.aspx

Answer to your second question regarding signatures. 2 groups who fronted the lawsuit are heavily affiliated with the Democratic Party. There would be 100% crossover in membership

https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-election-2020-pittsburgh-elections-presidential-elections-fc464c287c18823ff57fedc13facf7e5

The ruling regarding postmarks was issues in a response to a lawsuit taken by Democrats

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day


My username has to do with the color of my hair

Do you really think that supports your conclusions?
#20
Quote from: whitey on March 13, 2021, 03:05:36 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2021, 01:43:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 12, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
You said they sued after the election and after the votes had been cast

That is incorrect....they sued before the election

And based on what the PA Supreme Court ruled they were dead right to sue


"In its ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that ballots could be counted if they were received by 5 p.m. Nov. 6, as long as they were mailed by Election Day, Nov. 3. It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" unless there was strong evidence to the contrary."

You, yourself said that ballots received after the election should have a valid postmark

I said they "tried... to disqualify the votes " after the election.

Which is exactly what they did, despite the rules having already been approved.

And how many votes were in question over the postmark issue?

Was it the millions that Trump and Giuliani were suing left right and centre for weeks to get thrown out?

You'd be better off picking a better hill to die on than the GOP conduct in PA the election just past.



The standards the Republicans were arguing for before the election were identical to standards for mail in ballots that Democratic Secretaries of State had agreed upon in several other states.

What states and by which democratic Secretaries of State. And the context in which they were levied please?.


The Democrats brought a lawsuit arguing that ballots with non matching signatures, missing/illegible postmarks should be counted

Examples please

You yourself said the signatures should match and the postmark should be legible

BTW what logical conclusion show one come to when you are addressing someone with the handle Whitey.
#21
Quote from: whitey on March 12, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 12, 2021, 02:34:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 12, 2021, 02:29:21 PM
The issue I see is that Democrats are very quick to cry voter suppression when in  oftentimes the things they are objecting to are identical to laws enacted by Democratic Secretaries of State in other states.

Well if the Dems are trying to do things like limit early and election day voting and demand notaries for mail-in ballots, fire away and show us where.

So in MA, which has a Democratic Secretary of State, mail in ballots have to be received by Election Day. When Republicans tried to advocate for that in PA they were accused of voter suppression.

Are you saying that the GOP are not working to suppress minority voting?
#22
Quote from: whitey on March 12, 2021, 01:49:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 11, 2021, 10:21:23 PM
Arizona Republican, John Kavanaugh, reckons "quality" votes are important. Not every should be voting according to him.

I wonder does a "quality", "informed" voter believe all the baseless conspiracy theories the GOP are currently completely invested in, including Trumps stolen election fantasy? Is this hypothetical voter a Trump-before-country voter like so many Republicans?



Its amazing how afraid the GOP are of electoral turnout. All over the US, they're trying to introduce laws even as anti-democratic as getting rid of early voting and making sure polls close very soon after regular working hours are over.

Do you consider ballot harvesting legitimate?

Should the signature on a mail in ballot match the signature that's on file for the voter?

Should a mail in ballot received after Election Day, have a legible postmark?

All perfectly reasonable. For the rest of the story read on
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/30/republicans-restrict-voting-access-bills
#23
Quote from: Gmac on March 05, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2021, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: dec on March 05, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 05, 2021, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2021, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 05, 2021, 05:05:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2021, 04:55:51 PM
You hear from where??

EVERYONE knew Biden wasn't out and about. He was homebound, just like most of the rest of us, doing everything via Zoom.

And STILL it didn't matter, because Trump was such a historic f**k-up.

He had the whole stage to himself. He had two huge national issues to deal with, the type of stuff of which presidential greatness is made. But he couldn't see past the paranoid, reactionary, bigoted, own-the-libs wishes of his base and he completely blew it.
he won the election he needs to be scrutinized like Trump was every minute of every day .
Do you think he could do a covid update press conference and handle the questions trump had too last year ?

Sure he could.

But, lacking the massive ego of Trump with his inexhaustible need for attention, he's happy to let the professionals handle the day-to-day stuff, outside of policy announcements.

Few presidents have dominated news like Trump did. Few wanted to like he did.

I'm happy for Biden to go quietly about his business, as long as the business is getting done.
like releasing 108 illegal immigrants into Texas who are positive for covid , great work joe

You see, that is fair criticism.

Bedtimes and dementia is not.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/politics/abbott-migrants-covid-testing/index.html

The Biden administration wanted to provide federal funds for Covid-19 tests for migrants in Texas but Governor Abbott has been getting in the way.

I should clarify that I was commenting on the general topic of criticism, as opposed to the specifics of the story.

Whether or not the actual story is bullshit, at least its a policy issue which can be subject to verification.

Conspiracy theories about dementia or the meaning of the rumoured time Biden goes to bed are just idiotic.
the border should be closed and anyone entering illegally should be deported straight away that should be federal policy during a pandemic.

Person, woman, man, camera, TV😜
#25
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 19, 2021, 02:33:19 AM
It must be true that the Texas Energy Grid is all frigged up. You now you have it from the horse's mouth. The gospel according to a Whitey anecdote.
#26
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 17, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 17, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: omochain on February 17, 2021, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 17, 2021, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: omochain on February 17, 2021, 02:49:12 AM
Just watching President Biden's town hall. What a huge upgrade on the "former guy". He was Empathetic and knowledgeable. He answered the questions competently relying on science and fact based truth to support his positions. What a refreshing change from the "former guy". Not bad for a "sleepy" old dude.
softball after softball did anyone ask
Why is he not taking the calls with Trudeau and macron letting Harris do it instead
Why is he releasing illegal immigrants into the country who are not tested for the virus.
Why is he signing executive orders like a king .
Why is he in bed at 9pm ( know the answer)
Why is he burning an open fire if he's so worried about climate change .
Why can't he get the vaccine out more quickly.
Judging by what's happening in Texas and happens every year in California how can we go completely green without storage capacity or diversity of sources.
I'm sure he said a few here's the deal and you went to bed happy ,enjoy .

You need to get those Murdoch media worms out of your head. I highly recommend a good tr**p up the PG&E trail at Rancho San Antonio. You will get a constant reminder about the inadequacy of Energy companies but be compensated by some Great Views of Silicon Valley and The Bay
his state media will cover for him as long as they can as for hikes it's 8-30'and Gavin needs his taxes so back to work .

Serious bit of projection there. You really need to take a half day for yourself. Gavin can forego the taxes for a half day😜
#27
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 17, 2021, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 17, 2021, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: omochain on February 17, 2021, 02:49:12 AM
Just watching President Biden's town hall. What a huge upgrade on the "former guy". He was Empathetic and knowledgeable. He answered the questions competently relying on science and fact based truth to support his positions. What a refreshing change from the "former guy". Not bad for a "sleepy" old dude.
softball after softball did anyone ask
Why is he not taking the calls with Trudeau and macron letting Harris do it instead
Why is he releasing illegal immigrants into the country who are not tested for the virus.
Why is he signing executive orders like a king .
Why is he in bed at 9pm ( know the answer)
Why is he burning an open fire if he's so worried about climate change .
Why can't he get the vaccine out more quickly.
Judging by what's happening in Texas and happens every year in California how can we go completely green without storage capacity or diversity of sources.
I'm sure he said a few here's the deal and you went to bed happy ,enjoy .

You need to get those Murdoch media worms out of your head. I highly recommend a good tr**p up the PG&E trail at Rancho San Antonio. You will get a constant reminder about the inadequacy of Energy companies but be compensated by some Great Views of Silicon Valley and The Bay
#28
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 17, 2021, 02:49:12 AM
Just watching President Biden's town hall. What a huge upgrade on the "former guy". He was Empathetic and knowledgeable. He answered the questions competently relying on science and fact based truth to support his positions. What a refreshing change from the "former guy". Not bad for a "sleepy" old dude.
#29
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 15, 2021, 04:32:31 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 14, 2021, 05:57:19 PM
J70

What would you say to Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's campaign staffers  if someone they helped bail out assaulted or murdered one of your family members?

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/

What would you say if a President agitated an insurrection and the Capitol was invaded and law enforcement officers were murdered?