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GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin joins up with Mickey Harte
« on: February 16, 2018, 03:31:09 PM »
very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).

I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.

What I have heard its not matches involving Dublin that are being requested, EIR don't have camera's at every Div 1 and 2 match like RTE have and I also believe its the high up behind the goal angle camera that EIR don't use.

Greatest, RTE do not have cameras at every Div 1 and Div 2 game - see the Sunday Game thread to see that explained exhaustively.

I could see Eir not using the high behind position if they wanted to save money on cameras - they are not obligated to use it - but then Gavin's beef should be with them, not RTE?

I think this is either a story getting confused or blown up beyond proportion.

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General discussion / Re: America`s Gun Culture
« on: February 16, 2018, 11:17:08 AM »
The neighbouring states don't have the same strict laws and the guns flood into Chicago. Highlights the need for federal action, rather than state laws (though realistically it is at state level where the most progress can be made).

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GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin joins up with Mickey Harte
« on: February 16, 2018, 10:38:16 AM »
very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).

I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.

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General discussion / Re: America`s Gun Culture
« on: February 15, 2018, 06:47:34 PM »
All crime stats in America point to a dizzying decline in murder and serious crime in the past two decades (there was slight bump in murder rate last year, but it was very small).

Just to understand this - Iceman, you say that home invasions and gum crimes are happening every week in Ireland. And extrapolating from that, they are happening more often in the US. But at least in the US you have a Glock to prevent it?

There is a reason that the NRA have taken the path they did - 90s America, which was economically stable, generally stable and socially progressive, would lead to a society with falling crime - thus hurting their bottom line. So the gun companies pumped money into what was, essentially, a sporting organisation, and changed it into a lobbying and political group. Because if there was no real need for guns, then two things would have to happen - a need would have to be created, and in response to this need, guns would not only become popular they would become ubiquitous.

So, with every year of falling crime, more fake outrage over "tyrannical governments" was created, more racist memes about "super predators" etc, more guns were sold, more regulations stripped away - and with the end of the assault weapon ban, mass shootings began to become more frequent, and with far more potential for casualties.

But that works for the gun companies as well, because each time there is a mass shooting, gun sales increase, because people are afraid that the government will regulate gun sales.

So you are left with the situation, where nearly half the world's handguns are available in one country, where there have been 18 school shootings this year alone, but nothing can be done about it, lest it impinge the rights of law abiding and God fearing citizens like Iceman, to have a glock beside their bed, in anticipation of a home invasion, which statistically speaking, will never come. And for gun company execs to get a great stock buyback option each year.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Bernard Brogan - Serious Injury?
« on: February 13, 2018, 01:53:08 PM »
I think if there is even a sliver of a chance of Bernard ending his career like Alan did, with a cameo and point off the bench in an All Ireland Final, he will keep at it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: February 12, 2018, 02:37:47 PM »
That's right.

trawled through it... you make good points though expecting club officials to hand in offenders is a bit fanciful...

Well if the rule is there, as officials, they should be adhering to it. And also, the amount of latitude given to head the balls who shouldn't be anywhere near a match is unreal in Gaelic Games - it shouldn't take that much moral courage to call them out.

Great critique Seany, it really is dodgy stuff from Brolly.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Bernard Brogan - Serious Injury?
« on: February 12, 2018, 01:06:56 PM »
Is this on the same knee as before?
I thought he did both knees before. Both before he was 21 afaik.

Did Paul Brogan not do both as well?

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 12, 2018, 01:45:28 AM »
Let us just recap your ignorance

You suggested AI cameras were viable solutions for broadcasting now- i work in broadcasting- they are not

You suggested that a lack of an online repository of multiple club and intercounty games ( up the the thousands) is merely a result of ignorance and technophobia on the part of the broadcast industry in ireland, an industry you have never worked in - i do and it's not- it is a function of cost issues, scheduling issues and rights issues

Your continued suggestion that match coverage will be fully automated shows me that you have never set foot in an OB truck in your life, and have no concept of how that process actually works- if you did you would realise on site editorial decisions shape the coverage you watch today far more than technology and how technology has to be tailored to the subject being covered ( for reference you should look up some of the factors behind the failure of live 3d coverage of sports events during the last decade)

You also think elon musk sent a car to Mars

And whenever the inconsistencies in your arguments are pointed out, you change the subject and propose something else equally outlandish

I may not know the amount currently being invested in AI but i know this- if it looks like a spoofer, talks like a spoofer, sounds like a spoofer- it's a spoofer.

My only hope is that the silicon valley demigods you put so much faith in, might actually research the speck like industry you are saying they are going to disrupt, and come up with solutions that actually make sense when they do. Unlike yourself.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 12, 2018, 12:02:46 AM »
It would seem that we (i.e. county boards, gaa and most of all those horrible c***ts at RTE) have now become guilty of not fully embracing as yet unavailable technology, to record dismal highlights of natches that nobody much really wants.

Syf why not just jump beyond automated cameraman, and devise a payment gateway to rent a share of someoneís eyes from people who are at the match? Because all Iím getting from this thread is that everyone wants something different.

Don't be giving him ideas.

The irony is heís basically describing a subscription version of Google Glass, which is a five year old product. Elon Musk sent a car to Mars last week and some here think automated camera systems are outlandish..
Automated cameras are already used all over the world, but usually in much slower moving enviroments than live sporting events and under the supervision of camera operators and directors (it's a manpower thing, allows one man control more than one cam)
What you were suggesting was cameras with AI, which would cut out operators altogether. That is decades away, especially in the context of live sporting events.
The ignorance being displayed here is quite breathtaking, especially from people who are claiming knowledge of techology.
And finally, elon musk didn't send a car to mars. If it actually lands safely on the planet than you can say that, rather than being catapulted into space as a demonstration of Falcon Heavy's load capacity.
No doubt though, if it does land on the Red Planet, some here will be demanding that the dummy at the wheel send back coverage of any local junior B club games taking place there.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 08:29:59 PM »
And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

God, I just saw this.

Unicorns.

You seriously think that won't happen? Seriously?

You're way off base if you don't realise the amount of jobs that will be done cheaper and better than humans by AI in the decades ahead.
Syf i already work with robotic cameras and voice recignition software. We are always looking to see what advances there are in automation. But AI controlled cameras are at least a decade away and they will be used in studio situations.
Your optimism abiut them being used in a match situation represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what cameras actually do at a match, which makes your certainty in your pronouncements all the more baffling. I can see AI providing nice add ons such as player cams etc but the software is miles and years away from replacing staff on main match cams.

Which kind of makes it irrelevant to the discussion about a service and opportunity you think is just around the corner- and you still haven't described.

Just because elon musk stuck a tesla in space doesn't mean that we'll all be orbiting in sports cars next year.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 07:00:58 PM »
And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

God, I just saw this.

Unicorns.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 06:59:55 PM »
What youíre all arguing about boils down to timescale - eventually cellular coverage and via fiber optic networks  will be so good that you could stream a match from the Aran Islands with little issue, all the while video compression will get better and better with .265 HEVC only starting to break through right now. And eventually software AI will become good enough at tracking action that a cameraman wonít be even needed.

When these things happen, who knows. But anyone who thinks that the service outline cannot happen for technical reasons is, frankly, wrong. I think itís very feasible already.

I'd actually love to get a service outline from you beyond "stream all matches - make it like GAA Go". I'd like to see some kind of structure. What is it that you want? Because, frankly, if you don't outline specifically what you want, then it is very easy to claim that it would work. And given that one of the only things that you have been clear about is the reliance on the broadband infrastructure currently at county grounds for this new service, then I think scepticism is warranted.


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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 06:23:47 PM »
That is a bit disingenuous - MILB, which you specifically used an example seems to be a different beast than Armagh or Mayo TV, and I answered directly as to why that wouldn't work over here.

I also said that baseball as a boundary game is more suited to wide shots, robotic cams etc, whereas I don't think the same can be said of football and hurling.

That said, we don't really know enough about Mayo and Armagh TV. We don't know if they make a profit - I would suspect they don't. I would think that their costs are covered by sponsors - which is all well and good. However, the problem with running a service from sponsorship money is that if the sponsor loses interest, then the service offered could go to the wall.

I have a mate who was done a lot in this area, advising county boards on media stuff and things - I might give him a buzz over the weekend and see what he thinks of the landscape at the moment. He is a Mayo man so I'd say he is plugged in there.

I just don't think there is enough of an appetite for raw footage of games for these types of channels to stand alone, especially given our relatively small population and the lack of local broadcasting infrastructure.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 06:02:09 PM »
Well apparently the Skoda has to be hosted and streamed live from every county ground and be available world wide an a subscription platform like GAA Go or better.

The Skoda also has to make deals with local radio stations to access their commentaries. It should also be making GAA historical documentaries and magazine shows.

The Skoda is no longer a Skoda. It is a media conglomerate.

And you are now misrepresenting my whole point in this argument AZ. You and others said "look at what they do on county sites, why can't they do that on RTE/Eir/Sky/TG4/TV3 etc" and I told you exactly why they couldn't. Nobody is saying that county sites don't do great work, and nobody is saying that it is not a good idea for them to stream matches. I was just answering the question why national broadcasters don't.

In short, you keep on coming into my Porsche dealership looking for a Skoda. I've explained many times why you can't get one here.

I'll be getting a restraining order next  ;D

I'm not advocating this on RTE/EIR. That was someone else. I'm looking for a dedicated online service.

Yeah, you are looking for something along the lines of MILB - and I thought  I gave a fairly cogent answer as to why that model wouldn't work over here.

So now we've progressed to me looking under the bonnet of the Skoda and telling you it won't go as fast as the Porsche, and you turning around and entering it in Le Mans.


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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: February 08, 2018, 05:58:35 PM »
I never said do magazine shows and documentaries them themselves. Read what was said. RTE and TG4 alone have massive archives of GAA content that isnít live matches or highlight shows and isnít making them a single penny as it stands. Itís the same sort of licensing model you see with Netflix and Amazon Video - pay the holder a fee to let you stream the video and everyone benefits.

And why would they give them to you? For GAA TV to work, the organisation has to take back all their live broadcasting rights - you're just after gutting the sports department of RTE and TG4. I doubt they would be in any mood to throw you the complete series of "Laochra Gael" and "The Marty Squad" after you just decimated their summer schedule.

And they don't have a massive archive of GAA related content that isn't live matches or highlights. Certainly, most of the series like "Breaking Ball", "The Committee Room", "The Marty Squad", "Thank Friday It's GAA", "Park Live" are all review or preview programmes, so they are relevant only really to the weeks they were recorded or broadcast in.

God love your ambition Syf, you have gone from Armagh TV to Amazon and Netflix in one fell swoop.

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