Would you vote for a United Ireland ?

[muppet]

Vote for UI without hesitation. Ireland is a better country to live in than the UK when it's all said and done.

I am amazed that people can't see that.

Outside of London and the south east, much of the UK is a complete kip. It remains a very class based society where everyone knows their place and there are many glass ceilings. Unionists desperately subscribe to this class based society as it elevates them above their Catholic neighbours (certainly in their minds).

I find some of our friends from across the water have a remarkable innate sense of entitlement. They may be brand new in a job, but they feel they should be promoted immediately and should have the best pay. Before they have lifted a finger. Hidden in that thinking is that they look down on everyone they work with, because they come from a higher class. Not all of them are like that, but far more of them are than any other nationality I have dealt with. For example Americans view their prospects based on hard work as far as I can see. Almost all of them have a complete absence of that sense of entitlement.

Most of the EU is far less class oriented than the UK and this is probably part of the problem for the Tories.

[J70]

There will always be hesitation,in every society.

I don't see how a United Ireland,in thrall to Germany and Britain (as the 26 counties currently is),and where the rich are favoured (Low corporation tax etc) and the British Queen is revered,and secularism is rife,is in any way appealing.

I don't understand your problem with secularism. It simply means religion is a private matter, not a publicly or state-endorsed one. Everyone is free to practice their own faith or to live a faith-free life. No one is forced to do anything faith-related by law, except not use faith to justify violating other laws.

What are you afraid of?

[screenexile]

Vote for UI without hesitation. Ireland is a better country to live in than the UK when it's all said and done.

I am amazed that people can't see that.

Outside of London and the south east, much of the UK is a complete kip. It remains a very class based society where everyone knows their place and there are many glass ceilings. Unionists desperately subscribe to this class based society as it elevates them above their Catholic neighbours (certainly in their minds).

I find some of our friends from across the water have a remarkable innate sense of entitlement. They may be brand new in a job, but they feel they should be promoted immediately and should have the best pay. Before they have lifted a finger. Hidden in that thinking is that they look down on everyone they work with, because they come from a higher class. Not all of them are like that, but far more of them are than any other nationality I have dealt with. For example Americans view their prospects based on hard work as far as I can see. Almost all of them have a complete absence of that sense of entitlement.

Most of the EU is far less class oriented than the UK and this is probably part of the problem for the Tories.

Is it?!! The Health System is completely fucked and expensive! The public sector is massively over subscribed. We would have to pay a "Universal Social Charge" whatever the f**k that is. Throw that in along with the Water Tax, the insurance levy, the price of accomodation buying or renting. The Banking system is inherently flawed in the mortgage market as there isn't enough competition.

Everything's relatively expensive compared to UK ... rent, gas, mobile phones (Way more expensive than UK), Sky, Internet, general food, clothes, alcohol.

In general it's going to cost me more to join a United Ireland. Yes of course I'd love to be free from British Tyranny and for ideological reasons I'd love to be part of a United Ireland but at present it certainly does not appeal to me!!

[Keyser soze]

Vote for UI without hesitation. Ireland is a better country to live in than the UK when it's all said and done.

I am amazed that people can't see that.

Outside of London and the south east, much of the UK is a complete kip. It remains a very class based society where everyone knows their place and there are many glass ceilings. Unionists desperately subscribe to this class based society as it elevates them above their Catholic neighbours (certainly in their minds).

I find some of our friends from across the water have a remarkable innate sense of entitlement. They may be brand new in a job, but they feel they should be promoted immediately and should have the best pay. Before they have lifted a finger. Hidden in that thinking is that they look down on everyone they work with, because they come from a higher class. Not all of them are like that, but far more of them are than any other nationality I have dealt with. For example Americans view their prospects based on hard work as far as I can see. Almost all of them have a complete absence of that sense of entitlement.

Most of the EU is far less class oriented than the UK and this is probably part of the problem for the Tories.

Is it?!! The Health System is completely fucked and expensive! The public sector is massively over subscribed. We would have to pay a "Universal Social Charge" whatever the f**k that is. Throw that in along with the Water Tax, the insurance levy, the price of accomodation buying or renting. The Banking system is inherently flawed in the mortgage market as there isn't enough competition.

Everything's relatively expensive compared to UK ... rent, gas, mobile phones (Way more expensive than UK), Sky, Internet, general food, clothes, alcohol.

In general it's going to cost me more to join a United Ireland. Yes of course I'd love to be free from British Tyranny and for ideological reasons I'd love to be part of a United Ireland but at present it certainly does not appeal to me!!

Anyone postulating that the standards of living or the quality of life isn't higher south of the border needs their head examined, theres no comparison between the respsctive economies and thats with England shovelling money into NI to prop up a basic standard of living. 

Re relegating your ideals to an accounts sheet, Groucho Marx said 'I have my principles and if you don't like them, well i can always change them'

[imtommygunn]

Anyone postulating that the standards of living or the quality of life isn't higher south of the border needs their head examined, theres no comparison between the respsctive economies and thats with England shovelling money into NI to prop up a basic standard of living. 

That is a load of nonsense. Unless I am in the minority - and I don't think so here - there is nothing wrong with the quality of life in NI. Anyone I know who works in a comparable profession in the south of ireland certainly has no higher a quality of life and I would argue less so.

That is not that I am saying there is anything wrong with the quality of life in the "free state" but your statement is nonsense.

[Keyser soze]

Anyone postulating that the standards of living or the quality of life isn't higher south of the border needs their head examined, theres no comparison between the respsctive economies and thats with England shovelling money into NI to prop up a basic standard of living. 

That is a load of nonsense. Unless I am in the minority - and I don't think so here - there is nothing wrong with the quality of life in NI. Anyone I know who works in a comparable profession in the south of ireland certainly has no higher a quality of life and I would argue less so.

That is not that I am saying there is anything wrong with the quality of life in the "free state" but your statement is nonsense.

You seem to be confusing standards of living and quality of life there mate. I know I spend a few weekends every summer down south [as do 100's of thousands of other people], to get away from the rampant sectarianism in all it's bilious forms in NI. Glad it doesn't affect you in your 'profession'   

[imtommygunn]

Quality of life and standard of living are not mutually exclusive so if I'm confused I appear to be no moreso than yourself.

Thanks for that dig at the end there but surely a standard of living would be a very good benchmark between two people in the same profession , on the same career path across the two and that would determine whether anyone "needs their head examined" or not?  It's irrelevant what that profession is - it's a benchmark.

Just to be clear I'm not a pro union person.

[seafoid]

Vote for UI without hesitation. Ireland is a better country to live in than the UK when it's all said and done.

I am amazed that people can't see that.

Outside of London and the south east, much of the UK is a complete kip. It remains a very class based society where everyone knows their place and there are many glass ceilings. Unionists desperately subscribe to this class based society as it elevates them above their Catholic neighbours (certainly in their minds).

I find some of our friends from across the water have a remarkable innate sense of entitlement. They may be brand new in a job, but they feel they should be promoted immediately and should have the best pay. Before they have lifted a finger. Hidden in that thinking is that they look down on everyone they work with, because they come from a higher class. Not all of them are like that, but far more of them are than any other nationality I have dealt with. For example Americans view their prospects based on hard work as far as I can see. Almost all of them have a complete absence of that sense of entitlement.

Most of the EU is far less class oriented than the UK and this is probably part of the problem for the Tories.

I dunno, Muppet. Scotland isn't bad and while there are very depressed towns in the North of England there's quite a lot of decent stuff as well.
Comparing it to the Midlands say it comes across quite well.

[Keyser soze]

Well if you care to give a cursory glance at any index for either of these categories yuo will find that the 26 comes out ahead of the UK most times in most categories. And these are measured on a UK wide basis, you can be sure that the scores for NI as a  stand alone entity is not within a beagle's gowl [sp] of the figures for the UK as a whole. As far's I can see this is a no-brainer.


The quip about your profession was childish, my apologies.

[deiseach]

Everything's relatively expensive compared to UK ... rent, gas, mobile phones (Way more expensive than UK), Sky, Internet, general food, clothes, alcohol.

Golf balls...

[Keyboard Warrior]

Well if you care to give a cursory glance at any index for either of these categories yuo will find that the 26 comes out ahead of the UK most times in most categories. And these are measured on a UK wide basis, you can be sure that the scores for NI as a  stand alone entity is not within a beagle's gowl [sp] of the figures for the UK as a whole. As far's I can see this is a no-brainer.


The quip about your profession was childish, my apologies.

Agreed, that is what my previous point alluded too. People focus on wages, taxes, money a lot when this debate comes up. There's more to life than money lads

[Rossfan]

That British tyranny Screen exile is suffering under mustn't be too severe if getting out from under it doesn't appeal to him/her

[muppet]

Everything's relatively expensive compared to UK ... rent, gas, mobile phones (Way more expensive than UK), Sky, Internet, general food, clothes, alcohol.

Golf balls...

Pay is higher in the South.

Also if London reduces the flow from the tap, the difference will get bigger. If London turns off the tap.......

I can understand 'I'm alright Jack' as long as Jack is looking at next month, next year, next decade etc.

[Denn Forever]

Who will make up the Government?  A little bit from Stormont, a little from the Dáil?

[seafoid]

Everything's relatively expensive compared to UK ... rent, gas, mobile phones (Way more expensive than UK), Sky, Internet, general food, clothes, alcohol.

Golf balls...

Pay is higher in the South.

Also if London reduces the flow from the tap, the difference will get bigger. If London turns off the tap.......

I can understand 'I'm alright Jack' as long as Jack is looking at next month, next year, next decade etc.

The tap is like money for quiet and it's very decent of London to pay it. It's not much really in the context of the UK economy.
But it probably militates against NI developing economically.