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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« Last post by Jell 0 Biafra on Today at 02:40:09 AM »
The issue is that it's a law, and to change a law, you need to get it past both houses and the Presidency.  While I'm no apologist for the Democratic Party, since the 90's, other than that first two years of Obama's administration, the Democrats haven't had majorities in both houses together with the Presidency.  And for those two years, they focused on getting healthcare change.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-ryan-florida-school-shooting_us_5a85a586e4b0ab6daf46cbaa

Known as the Dickey Amendment, after former Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark.), the law states that “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.” 

 
   

 

It's still there apparently.
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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« Last post by whitey on Today at 02:16:55 AM »
The problem with this very reasonable approach is that Republicans have prevented this very data from being collected by the relevant government agency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.f5eb3d6a3f84

From the above:

In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. The National Rifle Association accused the CDC of promoting gun control. As a result, the CDC stopped funding gun-control research — which had a chilling effect far beyond the agency, drying up money for almost all public health studies of the issue nationwide.

The National Institute of Justice, an arm of the U.S. Department of Justice, funded 32 gun-related studies from 1993 to 1999, but none from 2009 to 2012, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The institute then resumed funding in 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting the year before. Researchers in search of private funding say they know to avoid the word “gun” or “firearm” in the titles of violence-prevention studies to avoid blowback.

That was a disgrace, but thats 22 years ago.......would the Democrats not have had numerous opportunities to reinstate the funding over the intervening years
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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« Last post by Jell 0 Biafra on Today at 02:06:21 AM »
The problem with this very reasonable approach is that Republicans have prevented this very data from being collected by the relevant government agency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.f5eb3d6a3f84

From the above:

In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. The National Rifle Association accused the CDC of promoting gun control. As a result, the CDC stopped funding gun-control research — which had a chilling effect far beyond the agency, drying up money for almost all public health studies of the issue nationwide.

The National Institute of Justice, an arm of the U.S. Department of Justice, funded 32 gun-related studies from 1993 to 1999, but none from 2009 to 2012, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The institute then resumed funding in 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting the year before. Researchers in search of private funding say they know to avoid the word “gun” or “firearm” in the titles of violence-prevention studies to avoid blowback.
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General discussion / Re: Ireland's most Loved person
« Last post by Syferus on Today at 01:45:02 AM »
St Patrick.

But he was Welsh.

Next you're going to tell us Bundee Aki's not Irish

Or that Andy Moran’s not from Mayo..
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General discussion / Re: Ireland's most Loved person
« Last post by Never beat the deeler on Today at 01:34:47 AM »
St Patrick.

But he was Welsh.

Next you're going to tell us Bundee Aki's not Irish
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General discussion / Re: Irish Business Thread
« Last post by armaghniac on Today at 12:22:11 AM »
Not all bad news. Unemployment at 10 year low in NI.

What do they all do?
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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« Last post by Puckoon on Today at 12:10:59 AM »
Fair and Fine point whitey - but you're jumping too far ahead.

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Adding new restrictions on law abiding permitted gun owners won't make an iota of difference unless there's proper enforcement of existing and proposed legislation

We don't need to be here ^^^ yet. But we could do with some structure for the conversation, including an examination of current rules and laws, their effectiveness - and what can be done better.
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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Last post by Armamike on February 21, 2018, 11:58:20 PM »
The Warren Commission didn't take as long.  So it seems Holgate was the only one who heard anything.  It would be a worrying development if he made it up. It's not an allegation that should be made lightly, for a number of obvious reasons.  I hope he genuinely believed he did hear something. 
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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« Last post by maldini on February 21, 2018, 11:53:27 PM »
RTE panel seemed way OTT given a 0-0 away from home. I get that Mourinho teams aren't that exciting to watch but they made it sound like United were about 16th in the league.

Are you sure you don’t mean 16 points behind?
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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« Last post by whitey on February 21, 2018, 11:49:43 PM »
It's very very complex over here, of that there's no doubt. There are skill based sports in the USA which are based on guns - not necessarily used for Killing. 3 gun competitions are huge in Nevada. I don't have a problem with hunting or sporting use of guns. I'd like to see the higher powered weapons stored at the ranges and outdoor facilities which operate these competitions. That's an element of gun control. I'd don't want my friend who hunts to have that taken away from him, but I'd like to make sure that any weapons he owns are suitably stored and used for purpose - and he had to go through the effort to obtain them that I had to go through to buy my house, or my car. That's an element of gun control. I'd like limits on ammunition and I would like to see a ban on semi automatic weapons being sold to the general public. I'd like to see a specialists license introduced for some of these types of guns. A license that is not a trivial expense or exercise. That's an element of gun control.

If I HAD to pick between no guns at all, I would pick that for the safety of our communities, if it was the only option on the table. I'd much rather see an actual dialogue and conversation surrounding them but the noise of the numbnuts makes the conversation almost impossible. I've considered getting a gun but have convinced myself that I don't need one, my chance of in home violence is totally minimal and that I absolutely don't need to have that thing in the house. I've shot guns (including an AK47, a tommy gun, and most hand guns commonly available) and enjoyed the experience but the power and destruction is immense. Unfortunately gun owners and enthusiasts are now being vilified and I feel that if they, the pro gun and amendment right folks took appropriate measures to structure the conversation - we could go back to an America where it was OK to own a firearm.

To go back to your point addressed to Eamonn, Iceman - and in response to Whitey as well: The onus shouldn't be on the non gun folks to find a solution or fix the problem. The onus should be on the "responsible gun owning law abiding citizens" whose rights we are being told are being eroded away to present some solutions and half way there measures to start a viable conversation on ending male dominant, lone shooter mass killings. In the absence of these people doing so, you are absolutely going to encounter a loud voice of folks calling for a ban on guns.

The issue for many of these folks is that there's plenty of gun laws already on the books that aren't been properly enforced, or are being enforced unevenly. In some, not all (probably not even most) recent mass shootings there were breakdowns at many stages of the process.  Adding new restrictions on law abiding permitted gun owners won't make an iota of difference unless there's proper enforcement of existing and proposed legislation
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