Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
You need to check the distance between their eyes
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
Who cares? They may be Catholic but are obviously not Nationalist.
Was wondering how these billboards of the players will go down in their home town/village. In particular, Niall McGinn's in Donaghmore.
...and Chris Baird, wherever he's from again.
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
Hard to know sometimes. I always assumed Philip Mulryne was from Protestant stock. Next thing I hear he's off to join the Priesthood!
Quote from: BennyCake on May 26, 2016, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
Hard to know sometimes. I always assumed Philip Mulryne was from Protestant stock. Next thing I hear he's off to join the Priesthood!
Himself and Paul McVeigh were both underage players with Lamh Dhearg I believe.
Nationalist or not, an international cap adds a bit of bargaining power to your next club contract. The likes of Boyce and McGinn were/are more than likely ROI supporters but felt the likelihood of a call up there was limited.
Ask them to say the Hail Mary as Gaeilge :D
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Ask them to say the Hail Mary as Gaeilge :D
That should be the second anthem to represent the Catholic players. Like that Irelands Call crap for the rugby.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Ask them to say the Hail Mary as Gaeilge :D
You could just them to pronounce Muircheartaigh
Sammy Clingan sounds like a dyed in the wool non catholic yet he's a Falls Road taig.
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya bastards.
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
I agree. I think.
ROI is number 1 by a road bowl mile (or 10) but I'll still cheer on our wee colony.
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
I don't know about their religious affiliation but these two (Baird and McGinn) look distinctly dissident during GSTQ.
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq94/bhamilton82/gstq.jpg)
lol
Would a song like Wagon Wheel sung by Nathan Carter not be a more inclusive anthem ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
Would a song like Wagon Wheel sung by Nathan Carter not be a more inclusive anthem ?
Start a " what would be a more inclusive anthem?" thread.
I never thought the thread generator would need a prompt, but there you are.
It depends what foot they kick with.
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
Sammy Clingan sounds like a dyed in the wool non catholic yet he's a Falls Road taig.
Apparently his name wasn't Sammy when he went to school in Corpus Christi College.
what was it?
Don't tell me Samantha!?
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Er, you're on GAABoard. How many Northern Prods are on GAABOard?
Quote from: Main Street on May 26, 2016, 01:12:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
Can you just do it by surname or do you need more detailed insight ?
I don't know about their religious affiliation but these two (Baird and McGinn) look distinctly dissident during GSTQ.
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq94/bhamilton82/gstq.jpg)
No 5 don't look happy in that taig sandwich.
they are as nationalist as the FAI guys. and i will give both of them equal support in their half assed money destroyed little games
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I was referring to myself and not once did I reference your choice or any other persons choice.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
Why would I go to Craigavon when I can watch the matches in. Armagh?
If you are inferring the North has a lot of bigots that follow them at least have the balls to say so!
It is not a big deal, I prefer the team from the North over the team from,the South and I am not responsible for the political stances of anyone but myself.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Have you been to a game in the last ten years? I have!
I don't give a shite who you support, I am supporting them because the supporters clubs have been working very hard to rid themselves of the loyalist scum that pervaded their support base, I also want to support the nationalist players that stand there and take the Brit national anthem prior to playing, that is to be admired in my opinion.
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Have you been to a game in the last ten years? I have!
I don't give a shite who you support, I am supporting them because the supporters clubs have been working very hard to rid themselves of the loyalist scum that pervaded their support base, I also want to support the nationalist players that stand there and take the Brit national anthem prior to playing, that is to be admired in my opinion.
Why would the 'Nationalist' players need to be singled out as needing your support during the anthem? They're not nationalist if they play for NI.
Good man, you should sing GSTQ with pride.
On a more serious note there is a book out about N Ireland reaching the 1958.World Cup qtr finals in Sweden.Great read,playing on a Sunday nearly.stopped them.from attending.But it was a phenomenal achievement,qualifying by eliminating Italy then coming out of a group containing Argentina and W Germany and with only 11 fit men going into Qtr Final with France.Best team from this island in any World Cup Finals with Blanchflower,Gregg,McIlroy,Mc Parland,Peacock and Cush.
What has a mans religion to do with sport.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Have you been to a game in the last ten years? I have!
I don't give a shite who you support, I am supporting them because the supporters clubs have been working very hard to rid themselves of the loyalist scum that pervaded their support base, I also want to support the nationalist players that stand there and take the Brit national anthem prior to playing, that is to be admired in my opinion.
Why would the 'Nationalist' players need to be singled out as needing your support during the anthem? They're not nationalist if they play for NI.
Good man, you should sing GSTQ with pride.
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They don't, it is just one reason why I support them, another reason is the fact republicans sold their souls when lizxy came a knocking the republics supporters fawned all over her, so duck the republic, I am sure Connolly and Sands it al were turning over in their graves!
Quote from: skeog on May 26, 2016, 04:58:43 PM
What has a mans religion to do with sport.
in reality sport is rotten with politics
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
Have you been to a game in the last ten years? I have!
I don't give a shite who you support, I am supporting them because the supporters clubs have been working very hard to rid themselves of the loyalist scum that pervaded their support base, I also want to support the nationalist players that stand there and take the Brit national anthem prior to playing, that is to be admired in my opinion.
Stew- I stand with you man
(you probably don't want me to - I know)
See the lyrics from RATM killing in the name of - for the thought police. Stew can support who he wants, and you may disagree with his views (as I do regularly on political and economic issues) but have a discussion, disagree, point out what you think, counter claim, agree to disagree, he may be right, you may be right on factual matters but who you support is completely up to you, like who you fall in love with and what turns you on. Leave it the hell alone, I'm pretty sure we all know the background to the historical situation on the island, and the diverse opinions on that subject but who the team you support- get out.
f**k you I won't do what you tell me.
in his own words
QuoteI was referring to myself and not once did I reference your choice or any other persons choice.
its complicated enough growing up in Armagh without being told what to think. Huge efforts on behalf of the IFA and a big well done to Oonagh O'Reilly on her efforts - times they are a changing as yet another smart person once sang
quick read here if you fancy edu-mc-cating yourselves.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/northern-ireland-football-bridges-divide-after-dark-days-of-troubles-1.2604045 (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/northern-ireland-football-bridges-divide-after-dark-days-of-troubles-1.2604045)
p.s. I am spectacularly aware of my own hypocrisy - I actually embrace it at this point
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
Not necessarily with modern pissy names. Normal Irish first names are being replaced by pansy boys names.
I remember me and my classmates undertaking a similar exercise to this in 1986. We decided Alan McDonald had to be Catholic based on his surname.
But we were only 10 years old at the time.
Why it matters to grown adults? That's the real pickler.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 26, 2016, 06:04:14 PM
I remember me and my classmates undertaking a similar exercise to this in 1986. We decided Alan McDonald had to be Catholic based on his surname.
But we were only 10 years old at the time.
Why it matters to grown adults? That's the real pickler.
It is perhaps more worrying that it mattered to 10 year olds.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 26, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
Was wondering how these billboards of the players will go down in their home town/village. In particular, Niall McGinn's in Donaghmore.
...and Chris Baird, wherever he's from again.
Loving Kyle lafferty billboard in newry
For what's it worth hope both Ireland's do well
As long as the gaa is on tv the euros won't annoy me
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
If you have no time for 'anything which divides us as a people', surely you should support neither team as they both are supporting a system which divides the people of this country into a northeastern segment and a 'rest of the country' segment?
Why is Lafferty in Newry when he comes from Kesh in Fermanagh.
Also name two Newry men to score in World Cup Finals tournaments.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
Why is Lafferty in Newry when he comes from Kesh in Fermanagh.
Also name two Newry men to score in World Cup Finals tournaments.
Peter McParland and Colin Clarke.
Correct
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Have you been to a game in the last ten years? I have!
I don't give a shite who you support, I am supporting them because the supporters clubs have been working very hard to rid themselves of the loyalist scum that pervaded their support base, I also want to support the nationalist players that stand there and take the Brit national anthem prior to playing, that is to be admired in my opinion.
Why would the 'Nationalist' players need to be singled out as needing your support during the anthem? They're not nationalist if they play for NI.
Good man, you should sing GSTQ with pride.
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They don't, it is just one reason why I support them, another reason is the fact republicans sold their souls when lizxy came a knocking the republics supporters fawned all over her, so duck the republic, I am sure Connolly and Sands it al were turning over in their graves!
Jaysus, there's nothing like generalising. Not all people in South are West Brits. There seems to be this agenda suggesting the pub team is uniting people up here ... BALLS. But as Goebbels (and Mike Nesbitt) said, repeat a lie enough times and people will think it's the truth.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
Why is Lafferty in Newry when he comes from Kesh in Fermanagh.
Also name two Newry men to score in World Cup Finals tournaments.
McParland and Colin Clarke.
Quote from: dec on May 26, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
Why is Lafferty in Newry when he comes from Kesh in Fermanagh.
Also name two Newry men to score in World Cup Finals tournaments.
Peter McParland and Colin Clarke.
McParland and Poland must be 2 translations of the same name
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Quote from: michaelg on May 26, 2016, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Nobody does, but while they still sing chants such as 'The Bouncy Song', the overriding atmosphere will be one of anti-Catholic hatred.
I've seen more anti catholic hatred on this Board than at any time in the past at Windsor Park.
Some great entertainment on this thread :D
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 26, 2016, 08:33:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on May 26, 2016, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 26, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Nobody does, but while they still sing chants such as 'The Bouncy Song', the overriding atmosphere will be one of anti-Catholic hatred.
FFS, wise up.
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 26, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
Some great entertainment on this thread :D
You just get let out on parole?
For what it's worth I hope the North get hammered, the fans make a balls of themselves and we never see the artificial statelet in a major tournament ever again
I actually can't bring myself to support the north in this tournament either. I just find them annoying. I also hate the word 'banter' in a Northern Ireland accent.
Ian McCrea didn't want Derry or Tyrone to win in the Championship
"Great to see Tyrone beat in the Ulster semi's today hope Donegal beat Londonderry in the final to keep the celebrations out of Mid Ulster."
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19452.0
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2016, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 26, 2016, 09:40:33 PM
I actually can't bring myself to support the north in this tournament either. I just find them annoying. I also hate the word 'banter' in a Northern Ireland accent.
How does "top bants" grab ye?
If you're only saying it for the bantz then it's fine.
Quote from: dec on May 26, 2016, 09:59:51 PM
Ian McCrea didn't want Derry or Tyrone to win in the Championship
"Great to see Tyrone beat in the Ulster semi's today hope Donegal beat Londonderry in the final to keep the celebrations out of Mid Ulster."
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19452.0
That reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34
The North are
Gerry Armstrong
Plucky underdogs.
The sum of the parts > than the parts of the sum.
Gritty, workmanlike and Kyle.
Tell us about that goal Gerry.
The reelly fawn tastic fawns, the GAWA.
Gerry, how did it feel?
Wales and Scotland are separate political units and could manage independence but the north is a jerrymandered half province that will always be dependent and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as European countries.
Quote from: Main Street on May 26, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
The North are
Gerry Armstrong
Plucky underdogs.
The sum of the parts > than the parts of the sum.
Gritty, workmanlike and Kyle.
Tell us about that goal Gerry.
The reelly fawn tastic fawns, the GAWA.
Gerry, how did it feel?
To be fair the same could be applied to the 26 county team .
Both media are prone to utter bullshit .
Wrong. Northern Ireland is not 1/2th a province. It's 1/4th of a nation. ROI is 3/4qtrs of a nation. Which European countries are better? Us northern scum live in the best country in the world. Who else has 2 countries to support? The Beautiful South is another issue entirely. Who cares who takes his decree from Pope Francie?
Quote from: Ronnie on May 27, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Wrong. Northern Ireland is not 1/2th a province. It's 1/4th of a nation. ROI is 3/4qtrs of a nation. Which European countries are better? Us northern scum live in the best country in the world. Who else has 2 countries to support? The Beautiful South is another issue entirely. Who cares who takes his decree from Pope Francie?
Kosovars have 2 countries to support. The bucks in Kaliningrad don't go around claiming nationhood .
I only know two players and know what they are if you really want to know Seafoid. Not that I could give a flyin fiddlers what they are, more vexed that young McGinn never had a turn for Tyrone but fair play hes makin a livin at it.
Although going by surnames is a dangerous game. Alot of Catholic surnames are anglicised or swapped for English names. Then there is the names of Scottish origin that could be either like Campbell and McDonald, weirldy enough I think that these surnames probably have the same ancestral Scottish clan, but the time that they came to Ireland meant they had different religions and different identities. Then there is the Catholic surnames where Catholics became Protestant and to a lesser extent viseversa, more common in the East. Of course there is also mixed marriages.
Ive never supported the north as a football team and I wont start now
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 04:02:58 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on May 27, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Wrong. Northern Ireland is not 1/2th a province. It's 1/4th of a nation. ROI is 3/4qtrs of a nation. Which European countries are better? Us northern scum live in the best country in the world. Who else has 2 countries to support? The Beautiful South is another issue entirely. Who cares who takes his decree from Pope Francie?
Kosovars have 2 countries to support. The bucks in Kaliningrad don't go around claiming nationhood .
Ok. They've their right to support Kosovo, Serbia, Albania, whoever. We're entitled to our nationhood and can support whomsoever we choose. Shouldn't we be very grateful for that?
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Was wondering how these billboards of the players will go down in their home town/village. In particular, Niall McGinn's in Donaghmore.
...and Chris Baird, wherever he's from again.
Loving Kyle lafferty billboard in newry
For what's it worth hope both Ireland's do well
As long as the gaa is on tv the euros won't annoy me
I notice the Oliver Norwood poster doesn't say "Burnley"
I hope the 6 county team do well, though I suspect they will be tanked and hosed technically by the other 3 teams. This is a historic first that both teams have made the finals together.
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Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Nobody does, but while they still sing chants such as 'The Bouncy Song', the overriding atmosphere will be one of anti-Catholic hatred.
FFS, wise up.
Thanks to your opinion I have now seen the light, I shall be attending "Northern Ireland" matches, waving my hybrid England fleg, belting out GSTQ at the top of my voice, and singing little songs that the nationalist community should just realise is part of unionist kulture so they know their rightful place in society.
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
You clearly are on the wind up with this thread. I'm surprised that its managed 5 pages... for a person who's well travelled and says he knows a lot of shit you can come across as a bit of a twat
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
You clearly are on the wind up with this thread. I'm surprised that its managed 5 pages... for a person who's well travelled and says he knows a lot of shit you can come across as a bit of a twat
Somebody making up a nationality is also clearly a bit of twat.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2016, 11:41:02 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
You clearly are on the wind up with this thread. I'm surprised that its managed 5 pages... for a person who's well travelled and says he knows a lot of shit you can come across as a bit of a twat
Somebody making up a nationality is also clearly a bit of twat.
No one said any different but seriously ? the Galway man is clearly taking the hand out of any Nationalist on this board that lives in N.I ....... its not a nationality but I'm from the north and I'm Irish .. His dad played nets for our club for many years
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Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I bought a French guide to the Euros and it says Michael O'Neill's nationality in Northern Irish.
Does such a nationality exist?
I presume anyone called Billy or Josh would kick with the other foot.
You clearly are on the wind up with this thread. I'm surprised that its managed 5 pages... for a person who's well travelled and says he knows a lot of shit you can come across as a bit of a twat
I think it's actually an interesting thread. I wasn't aware of how people up north felt about the team.
I remember growing up down south that any sporting victory by anyone from the north would be not in the same league as someone from the south winning. Dennis Taylor for example
I think the success of the GAA teams has opened things up a bit but it's still strange when it comes to soccer. RTE are very precious about the Republic of Oireland team as well.
Seafoid, I remember Denis Taylor and Alex Higgins winning, and it was a massive deal. I think you are trying to rise our 6 county brothers.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
I think you are trying to rise our 6 county brothers.
Who would be foolish enough to take on such an impossible task?
As a "Nordie", among other names our southern counterparts call us ;D , I have good friends that have played for N.I. Soccer teams. It's entirely personal preference, I would be very much Republic supporter only. The N.I. team don't bother me in any way, I just take no interest in following them.
I think it's actually an interesting thread. I wasn't aware of how people up north felt about the team.
I remember growing up down south that any sporting victory by anyone from the north would be not in the same league as someone from the south winning. Dennis Taylor for example
I think the success of the GAA teams has opened things up a bit but it's still strange when it comes to soccer. RTE are very precious about the Republic of Oireland team as well.
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I would agree there that there is a lot of jealousy when "Sam"crosses the border, as if it's been stolen from its rightful place... May get used to it this September again! ;)
Quote from: 50fiftyball on May 27, 2016, 12:40:32 PM
As a "Nordie", among other names our southern counterparts call us ;D , I have good friends that have played for N.I. Soccer teams. It's entirely personal preference, I would be very much Republic supporter only. The N.I. team don't bother me in any way, I just take no interest in following them.
I think it's actually an interesting thread. I wasn't aware of how people up north felt about the team.
I remember growing up down south that any sporting victory by anyone from the north would be not in the same league as someone from the south winning. Dennis Taylor for example
I think the success of the GAA teams has opened things up a bit but it's still strange when it comes to soccer. RTE are very precious about the Republic of Oireland team as well.
I would agree there that there is a lot of jealousy when "Sam"crosses the border, as if it's been stolen from its rightful place... May get used to it this September again! ;)
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So 50/50 is a Ballinderry man.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 27, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
Seafoid, I remember Denis Taylor and Alex Higgins winning, and it was a massive deal. I think you are trying to rise our 6 county brothers.
Even with Rory McIlroy today it is the same , imo. Especially if the swine chooses not to play for Ireland
Darren Clarke wouldn't get the same treatment as Padraig Harrington.
When NI beat Spain in 1982 there was some excitement but when Oireland got to the Euros in 88 the place went mad.
RTE is a partitionist institution
But they are obliged to cover Tyrone.
Are you talking about RTE or the general populace? Rory McIlroy is sporting royalty in RTE.
Im reasonably sure Rory is just sporting royalty
He's also sporting a fancy mot.
BTW, what 'shady bars' are in Craigavon?
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Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Nobody does, but while they still sing chants such as 'The Bouncy Song', the overriding atmosphere will be one of anti-Catholic hatred.
FFS, wise up.
Thanks to your opinion I have now seen the light, I shall be attending "Northern Ireland" matches, waving my hybrid England fleg, belting out GSTQ at the top of my voice, and singing little songs that the nationalist community should just realise is part of unionist kulture so they know their rightful place in society.
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No one gives a shite who you support to be fair.
The north's supporters clubs and the association have worked hard to eradicate sectarianism from their rank and file, the south means little to me, the north means a lot, to me enough progress has been made for me to finally choose which team to follow, I hope they both do well but for m7e, well, I am a northerner and hopefully this squad can have a good tournament and win over people like me, the troubles are over lets move on.
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Quote from: stew on May 26, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Who gives a f**k!
I am going to support the north during these championships!
I never lived in the south and have far more in common with the northern prods than I ever did the southern Catholics.
I hope both do well but you can shove both national anthems up your arise, I have no use for anything that divides us as a people.
Up Armagh ya b**tards.
Good on you Stew, we should all be more like you. Us other northerners who support the Republic team obviously haven't taken the time (or don't have the intellect) to weigh up those factors.
Seeing as you've more in common with the northern Prods than the southern Catholics, it would be a good idea to go watch the NI matches in some shaddy pub in Craigavon; I'm sure they'll be happy to put on the Armagh afterwards. Up Armagh and all that.
I'll f**k be supporting that shower... just because theyve managed to get to a major tournament doesnt mean thy've stopped hating me because of the religion i was born into. Oh aye but sure theyve changed and arent like that anymore ::)
Yes, that's right, all Protestant Northern Ireland fans hate Catholics. Do you actually believe that?
Nobody does, but while they still sing chants such as 'The Bouncy Song', the overriding atmosphere will be one of anti-Catholic hatred.
FFS, wise up.
Thanks to your opinion I have now seen the light, I shall be attending "Northern Ireland" matches, waving my hybrid England fleg, belting out GSTQ at the top of my voice, and singing little songs that the nationalist community should just realise is part of unionist kulture so they know their rightful place in society.
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No one gives a shite who you support to be fair.
The north's supporters clubs and the association have worked hard to eradicate sectarianism from their rank and file, the south means little to me, the north means a lot, to me enough progress has been made for me to finally choose which team to follow, I hope they both do well but for m7e, well, I am a northerner and hopefully this squad can have a good tournament and win over people like me, the troubles are over lets move on.
Will we get you a ticket beside the true blue from Ballymena who was on show at the scottish cup final? See how far they have come in their thinking and their attitude. ;)
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
The north will never attract wholesale nationalist support whilst playing at Windsor, but that ship has sailed.
It should have been a multi purpose sports stadium on the outskirts of Belfast with the option of going from 20-30k but thats a whole other story!
Some of the GAWA support reminds me of those eejits who follow the Belfast Giants. #banter
Isn't the issue with the NI team more to do with the fact that NI exists, rather than it's supporters/flag/anthem?
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2016, 04:30:22 PM
Isn't the issue with the NI team more to do with the fact that NI exists, rather than it's supporters/flag/anthem?
At last, someone has hit the nail on the head. I have no desire to see the NI team move from Windsor, or get a neutral flag or stop singing GSTQ because even if they do all that I still wouldn't support them. I mean them no harm, and I am not hoping they lose, but as an Irishman from Armagh I have no affiliation to Northern Ireland. Not the state , the government or the football team.
Quote from: stew on May 27, 2016, 03:46:30 PM
No one gives a shite who you support to be fair.
The north's supporters clubs and the association have worked hard to eradicate sectarianism from their rank and file, the south means little to me, the north means a lot, to me enough progress has been made for me to finally choose which team to follow, I hope they both do well but for m7e, well, I am a northerner and hopefully this squad can have a good tournament and win over people like me, the troubles are over lets move on.
OWC and Donald Trump.
You're welcome to them.
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The North are
Gerry Armstrong
Plucky underdogs.
The sum of the parts > than the parts of the sum.
Gritty, workmanlike and Kyle.
Tell us about that goal Gerry.
The reelly fawn tastic fawns, the GAWA.
Gerry, how did it feel?
To be fair the same could be applied to the 26 county team .
Both media are prone to utter bullshit .
I think sports media everywhere is very parochial
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
I would imagine the "whole country" he's referring to is different to the one you're talking about.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
I would imagine the "whole country" he's referring to is different to the one you're talking about.
would many people think of it in terms of a country?
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Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
I would imagine the "whole country" he's referring to is different to the one you're talking about.
would many people think of it in terms of a country?
Christ you are a grinder!! Great doc called the Troubles... Watch it, it will fill you in
Good warm up game for the people's team. Belarus not up to much .
Game on terrestrial tv unlike the secessionist 26 county team redacted .
We can be dark horses in this tournament . Real football , real fans.
Real food real people
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
Christ you are a grinder!! Great doc called the Troubles... Watch it, it will fill you in
Is it on Netflix?
Is it by the same crowd who brought us the Colonisation box set?
Yer man WIll Grigg is on fire again tonight. Someone should do a song about that.
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Isn't the issue with the NI team more to do with the fact that NI exists, rather than it's supporters/flag/anthem?
At last, someone has hit the nail on the head. I have no desire to see the NI team move from Windsor, or get a neutral flag or stop singing GSTQ because even if they do all that I still wouldn't support them. I mean them no harm, and I am not hoping they lose, but as an Irishman from Armagh I have no affiliation to Northern Ireland. Not the state , the government or the football team.
I won't use the term nortgern Ireland, I am from Armagh and I hope they win every game they play in.
I also have them in the work pool so tonight I have added incentive to see them do well.
I
I hope they do well, these are lads from down the road. It's a sporting team to me and nothing else, Northern Ireland as a political entity doesn't even register with me. There was a party atmosphere at Windsor tonight that would give the Aviva a run for its money.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
Are you sure?
http://www.stkieranscollege.ie/college/u15-soccer-all-ireland-champions/
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
Quote from: stew on May 27, 2016, 03:46:30 PM
No one gives a shite who you support to be fair.
The north's supporters clubs and the association have worked hard to eradicate sectarianism from their rank and file, the south means little to me, the north means a lot, to me enough progress has been made for me to finally choose which team to follow, I hope they both do well but for m7e, well, I am a northerner and hopefully this squad can have a good tournament and win over people like me, the troubles are over lets move on.
OWC and Donald Trump.
You're welcome to them.
I don't support Trump you clown!
You keep supporting the republic, after all, you have spent so,much time,living there and all and their people as so into uniting the country again. ::)
Fact is N Ireland does exist,further fact is that the people of the 26 counties voted for its continued existence and their Government has no plans to end its existence.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
Christ you are a grinder!! Great doc called the Troubles... Watch it, it will fill you in
Is it on Netflix?
Is it by the same crowd who brought us the Colonisation box set?
Don't know, haven't seen that one
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
Fact is N Ireland does exist,further fact is that the people of the 26 counties voted for its continued existence and their Government has no plans to end its existence.
Tony I thought the 26 counties didn't care and that NI had to plough a lonely furrow in an uncaring world
That goes without saying
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
And has done so since you got rid of us and left us...
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
Fact is N Ireland does exist,further fact is that the people of the 26 counties voted for its continued existence and their Government has no plans to end its existence.
Down exists and it is only a crowd of fellows up the road on a sporting team, but I don't support them either.
Northern Ireland may exist, like the Kinahan gang, but sports other than soccer manage not to organise themselves on sectarian grounds and I'd rather support them.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
He signed an agreement that NI could leave the country, it was its bigoted inhabitants who actually did it.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
He signed an agreement that NI could leave the country, it was its bigoted inhabitants who actually did it.
Get a grip, take your head out of the romantic view please... Sold down the river, when all they had to do was hold out that bit longer.... Well that's my belief on it.... Do you feel that the South had no choice and ultimately they wanted to keep us in the then, free state??
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
Carson screamed blue murder and Craig got the guns in.
NI has always been a negative thing. No Home rule, no surrender, no Taigs running the show.
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Quote from: dec on May 27, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
Carson screamed blue murder and Craig got the guns in.
NI has always been a negative thing. No Home rule, no surrender, no Taigs running the show.
It wasn't NI then but sure you usually rewrite history to suit yourself....
Possibly one of the most depressing threads on this board. EVER!
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
Time you opened your eyes and read some history.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
Michael Collins foresaw that the Taigs would embrace the new NI entity and support it in sporting competitions.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: dec on May 27, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
Carson screamed blue murder and Craig got the guns in.
NI has always been a negative thing. No Home rule, no surrender, no Taigs running the show.
Apart from Marty?
As James Craig put it.
"All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. "
I wonder how the prospering bit and getting on thing is working out? Any updates on that?
What did the British think would happen in the new state?
In this part of Ireland since the Ulster Plantation, things weren't exactly going swimmingly. Did they really think drawing a border and fencing in Catholics, suppressing further their basic human rights; and forced to live under the rule of bigoted, triumphalist, Protestants, was really going to end in harmony?
I mean, force an animal into a corner and it'll come out fighting.
It's laughable when British royalty and politicans come over here, and patronize people about the good relations that's going on and working together to build a future for all etc etc. A load of patronizing bullshit. Their forefathers helped create this unworkable sectarian cesspit and are washing their hands of any wrongdoing by leaving the clean-up operation to those who are elected to try and run the place.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 28, 2016, 02:58:59 AM
What did the British think would happen in the new state?
In this part of Ireland since the Ulster Plantation, things weren't exactly going swimmingly. Did they really think drawing a border and fencing in Catholics, suppressing further their basic human rights; and forced to live under the rule of bigoted, triumphalist, Protestants, was really going to end in harmony?
The objective was to keep the bigotry going as long as possible, not to have a nice place.
QuoteIt's laughable when British royalty and politicans come over here, and patronize people about the good relations that's going on and working together to build a future for all etc etc. A load of patronizing bullshit. Their forefathers helped create this unworkable sectarian cesspit and are washing their hands of any wrongdoing by leaving the clean-up operation to those who are elected to try and run the place.
Well said.
But can't we put all that rational analysis behind us and support the gallant green guys over in France!
No party in the South will allow Sinn Fein into government.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2016, 04:57:45 AM
No party in the South will allow Sinn Fein into government.
Sinn Fein won't let themselves in to power in the South . Hurling on the ditch seems to be their raisin d'etre down here. That said cant see the relevence to the thread .
Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2016, 01:43:27 AM
As James Craig put it.
"All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. "
I wonder how the prospering bit and getting on thing is working out? Any updates on that?
Craig and Carson had to invent a culture for the Protestant state for the Protestant people that justified the status quo where the Taigs were at the bottom of the caste system. With industries like shipbuilding employing protestants exclusively it would go on forever. And England would always be the same. What could possibly go wrong.
Cavan collaborated and won over 30 Ulster titles while the model worked.
The problem with racist systems is that they are self defeating economically. Keeping people down is bad for the economy. It means the wrong focus. If you do it for too long the whole system can collapse.
The Brits changed as well. Nobody in England or Scotland gives a shit about the Somme.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
That is what happened in practice. The Border Commission never took.place. There was nobody to stand up for the catholics in Belfast or Derry when it came to jobs or housing.
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 07:13:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2016, 01:43:27 AM
As James Craig put it.
"All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. "
I wonder how the prospering bit and getting on thing is working out? Any updates on that?
Craig and Carson had to invent a culture for the Protestant state for the Protestant people that justified the status quo where the Taigs were at the bottom of the caste system. With industries like shipbuilding employing protestants exclusively it would go on forever. And England would always be the same. What could possibly go wrong.
Cavan collaborated and won over 30 Ulster titles while the model worked.
The problem with racist systems is that they are self defeating economically. Keeping people down is bad for the economy. It means the wrong focus. If you do it for too long the whole system can collapse.
The Brits changed as well. Nobody in England or Scotland gives a shit about the Somme.
New here and all but please go away.
I have no interest in either the NI or ROI soccer teams.
Other sports are available.
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
The Belfast telegraph has an interview with Shaw of the IFA who says he hopes the whole country will get behind the team.
They don't take soccer seriously in Kilkenny. Hard to see it happening.
They take soccer very seriously in Kilkenny actually.
What sort of fleg would be acceptable for a non Protestant member of the #GAWA #WTF. I presume the Norn Irn fleg would be out of the question.
Seafoid,I don't think the vast majority of people at football games are interested or excited by flags/anthems.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
Seafoid,I don't think the vast majority of people at football games are interested or excited by flags/anthems.
I was watching a #GAWA video Tony and noted lots of NI flags. If you were following them and used a flag would you use the NI flag, for example?
I never wear political emblems to sporting occasions,as I don't see the point.Fleg waving to excess in the North,by both sides,is a sign of insecurity.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
Time you opened your eyes and read some history.
So the South didn't accept partition and we all live in a United Ireland......the South didn't want to have the prod problem, so put a border up an stick our heads in the sand, and say there was nothing we could do??
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 07:13:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2016, 01:43:27 AM
As James Craig put it.
"All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. "
I wonder how the prospering bit and getting on thing is working out? Any updates on that?
Craig and Carson had to invent a culture for the Protestant state for the Protestant people that justified the status quo where the Taigs were at the bottom of the caste system. With industries like shipbuilding employing protestants exclusively it would go on forever. And England would always be the same. What could possibly go wrong.
Cavan collaborated and won over 30 Ulster titles while the model worked.
The problem with racist systems is that they are self defeating economically. Keeping people down is bad for the economy. It means the wrong focus. If you do it for too long the whole system can collapse.
The Brits changed as well. Nobody in England or Scotland gives a shit about the Somme.
I'd say a lot of people in Eng or Scot never heard of the Somme.
It's baffling to me why the Somme is looked upon as some heroic event by Protestants. Tens of thousands of young men used as cannon fodder by an empire that didn't give two fcuks about them. What an appalling waste of life. Instead of celebrating these young men's bravery and loyalty to the King, they should look at it and be outraged at the needless loss of life of their forefathers and make a conscious decision that the same thing won't happen again. If they at least thought like that, at least those young men's lives would have been worth something.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 28, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 07:13:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2016, 01:43:27 AM
As James Craig put it.
"All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. "
I wonder how the prospering bit and getting on thing is working out? Any updates on that?
Craig and Carson had to invent a culture for the Protestant state for the Protestant people that justified the status quo where the Taigs were at the bottom of the caste system. With industries like shipbuilding employing protestants exclusively it would go on forever. And England would always be the same. What could possibly go wrong.
Cavan collaborated and won over 30 Ulster titles while the model worked.
The problem with racist systems is that they are self defeating economically. Keeping people down is bad for the economy. It means the wrong focus. If you do it for too long the whole system can collapse.
The Brits changed as well. Nobody in England or Scotland gives a shit about the Somme.
I'd say a lot of people in Eng or Scot never heard of the Somme.
It's baffling to me why the Somme is looked upon as some heroic event by Protestants. Tens of thousands of young men used as cannon fodder by an empire that didn't give two fcuks about them. What an appalling waste of life. Instead of celebrating these young men's bravery and loyalty to the King, they should look at it and be outraged at the needless loss of life of their forefathers and make a conscious decision that the same thing won't happen again. If they at least thought like that, at least those young men's lives would have been worth something.
Allied with the fact that they don't have a monopoly on the Irish suffering in the Somme, as plenty of IV members were packed off to die winning rights for Belgium by Redmond in a supposed effort to secure Home Rule.
No wonder there's partition. Can't we all get along to defeat it? No point in blaming us 'Southerners' for what the majority did in 1922.*
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
The prods were right about Rome rule down south. I don't see how the Treaty could have covered Antrim and Down.
And it is hard to see anything other than a 32 county Ireland long term.
Ok, its very simple even you can understand this, the South of Ireland and Donegal was offered a chance to break away from the northern prods, never worry about the taigs that lived there.. Took it and ran away.... That's how I view it.. The South ran away
That is what happened in practice. The Border Commission never took.place. There was nobody to stand up for the catholics in Belfast or Derry when it came to jobs or housing.
I thought the border commission did take place but got leaked and then suppressed?
Minimal changes were proposed.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2016, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 27, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: dec on May 27, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
It only exists as as an area of one country under the rule of another country.
You can't get " Northern Ireland" passports and I've never heard of a "Northern Ireland" Embassy anywhere.
So Scotland isn't a country either.
Who's the Scottish Ambassador to Ireland?
It's usually the Celtic manager
Scotland was an independent country when it joined the Union. If it left the Union it would be an independent country.
Northern Ireland did not join the union as an independent country. It threw its toys out of the pram prior to 1920.
Did Collins not sign us out of the country??
Carson screamed blue murder and Craig got the guns in.
NI has always been a negative thing. No Home rule, no surrender, no Taigs running the show.
It wasn't NI then but sure you usually rewrite history to suit yourself....
Prior to the Anglo Irish treaty there were 2 parliaments (local assemblies). What were their official descriptions?
Ireland seceded from Britain. NI seceded from Ireland.
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Quote from: BennyCake on May 26, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
Was wondering how these billboards of the players will go down in their home town/village. In particular, Niall McGinn's in Donaghmore.
...and Chris Baird, wherever he's from again.
Loving Kyle lafferty billboard in newry
For what's it worth hope both Ireland's do well
As long as the gaa is on tv the euros won't annoy me
I notice the Oliver Norwood poster doesn't say "Burnley"
Fair point, but more home gown players in NI than ROI team.
Correct LeoMc. East Donegal was to go to NI. Can't remember what the Free State was supposed to gain. Not much. The negotiators must have been very weak.
Think it was a Unionist paper that leaked the info.
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Boundary_Commission
Diarmaid Ferriter suggests a more complex tradeoff; the debt obligation was removed from the Free State and non-publication of the report, in return for the Free State dropping its claim to rule some Catholic/nationalist areas of Northern Ireland. Each side could blame the other side for the outcome. William Cosgrave admitted that the security of the Catholic minority depended on the goodwill of their neighbours
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
The government side felt that a boundary of some sort, and partition, had been on the cards for years. If the boundary was moved towards Belfast it would be harder to eliminate in the long term. Kevin O'Higgins pondered:
...whether the Boundary Commission at any time was a wonderful piece of constructive statesmanship, the shoving up of a line, four, five or ten miles, leaving the Nationalists north of that line in a smaller minority than is at present the case, leaving the pull towards union, the pull towards the south, smaller and weaker than is at present the case.
On 9 December a deputation of Irish nationalists from Northern Ireland arrived to make their views known to the Dáil, but were turned away.[
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
The government side felt that a boundary of some sort, and partition, had been on the cards for years. If the boundary was moved towards Belfast it would be harder to eliminate in the long term. Kevin O'Higgins pondered:
...whether the Boundary Commission at any time was a wonderful piece of constructive statesmanship, the shoving up of a line, four, five or ten miles, leaving the Nationalists north of that line in a smaller minority than is at present the case, leaving the pull towards union, the pull towards the south, smaller and weaker than is at present the case.
On 9 December a deputation of Irish nationalists from Northern Ireland arrived to make their views known to the Dáil, but were turned away.[
Hows that going?? Explain long term?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
The government side felt that a boundary of some sort, and partition, had been on the cards for years. If the boundary was moved towards Belfast it would be harder to eliminate in the long term. Kevin O'Higgins pondered:
...whether the Boundary Commission at any time was a wonderful piece of constructive statesmanship, the shoving up of a line, four, five or ten miles, leaving the Nationalists north of that line in a smaller minority than is at present the case, leaving the pull towards union, the pull towards the south, smaller and weaker than is at present the case.
On 9 December a deputation of Irish nationalists from Northern Ireland arrived to make their views known to the Dáil, but were turned away.[
Hows that going?? Explain long term?
O'Higgins thought that perhaps if people from a nationalist bakcground became a majority in NI that partition might end and of course this will soon happen, but would not have happened if Derry etc had been transferred into the 26 counties.. When he hasn't reckoned on was on them becoming "Northern Irish" and supporting sectarian sporting teams and the like.
100 years on and things are again falling apart. If Scotland leaves the UK, NI's position will be under severe pressure. It costs 10bn a year to keep the lights on
So much for Craig's prediction that the north would outperform economically.
England is going through serious ructions
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/26/immigration-england-ons-migration-london-eu-referendum
The whole Brexit thing is a sign of how bad things are over there.
Nigel dodds and co can plamas the Queen al they want at Westminster but a self reliant economy would make far more sense for them.
People 100 years ago had identities that suddenly disappeared when borders were shifted .
Partition was talked about pre-1920. Carson and his German guns, UVF threats to use same guns if Home Rule granted.
My question is, had the British govt just washed their hands with Ireland and left the Unionists to their own devices, what would have happened? I mean, what did Britain really stand to gain remaining in Ireland, as they were already under pressure since 1916 (and look how much trouble it's been for them since). Unionists on another island, why didn't they just say "feck them!". I mean, the Brits abandoned many unionists in border counties. A few hundred thousand in what became the North they could've easily abandoned too. It wouldn't have cost them a second thought.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
[/quoteQuote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2016, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 11:13:01 AM
As far as I recall from a TV programme there were 3 on the Commission- Eoin Mac Néill, a Brit Judge and a South African one.
They other 2 outvoted Mac Neill all along and basically dismissed all Free State demands for Derry, South Armagh, Fermanagh etc.
Stormont wanted North Monaghan and East Donegal.
Ended up leaving the border as it was and the FS got absolved from some payments to the Brits ( land annuities or British Govt debts?)
Cosgrove called it a " damn good bargain".
What was the FS to do then?
Raise a big conscript army ( with no money to pay them) and invade the 6Cos?
Can you imagine how many Catholics would have been murdered in Belfast, Antrim north Armagh, etc....50,000?
Then we'd have to take revenge in Fermanagh, Tyrone, south Down etc
...
So they fecked us over for money???? Brilliant
The government side felt that a boundary of some sort, and partition, had been on the cards for years. If the boundary was moved towards Belfast it would be harder to eliminate in the long term. Kevin O'Higgins pondered:
...whether the Boundary Commission at any time was a wonderful piece of constructive statesmanship, the shoving up of a line, four, five or ten miles, leaving the Nationalists north of that line in a smaller minority than is at present the case, leaving the pull towards union, the pull towards the south, smaller and weaker than is at present the case.
On 9 December a deputation of Irish nationalists from Northern Ireland arrived to make their views known to the Dáil, but were turned away.[
Hows that going?? Explain long term?
O'Higgins thought that perhaps if people from a nationalist bakcground became a majority in NI that partition might end and of course this will soon happen, but would not have happened if Derry etc had been transferred into the 26 counties.. When he hasn't reckoned on was on them becoming "Northern Irish" and supporting sectarian sporting teams and the like.
I for one am not nor ever will be northern Irish, I am Irish, period, end of.
Which lads on the north's team are sectarian then?
Grow uo man, its a game of football for frigs sake.
Quote from: stew on May 28, 2016, 03:53:39 PM
I for one am not nor ever will be northern Irish, I am Irish, period, end of.
Which lads on the north's team are sectarian then?
Grow uo man, its a game of football for frigs sake.
I didn't make any statement about the people on the team, I said the place they represent was a place which exists to promote sectarianism.
And as for growing up, this is a discussion board, it is perfectly grown up to discuss and state things which some people prefer to ignore.
I think you might see a lot more young Catholics representing NI in the near future.
The IFA are doing a lot of work in the the youth development squads to promote an all inclusive culture to help cut out young lads changing allegiance.
I think we will always see some cross over but you have to give them credit for trying to do something.
I would agree ref Windsor Park, it's not a great place for a catholic to have to go to, but again Belfast is beginning to regenerate itself so some of the areas down that way may tidy themselves up.
The main problem is the supporters, vast majority are socially deprived and unfortunately don't have the education or leadership behind them to try and promote a all inclusive atmosphere at games.
An oul' neutral anthem just for the team would be a start.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2016, 06:25:15 PM
An oul' neutral anthem just for the team would be a start.
it would be welcomed as another assault on loyalist culture I imagine
Quote from: BennyCake on May 28, 2016, 03:43:28 PM
Partition was talked about pre-1920. Carson and his German guns, UVF threats to use same guns if Home Rule granted.
My question is, had the British govt just washed their hands with Ireland and left the Unionists to their own devices, what would have happened? I mean, what did Britain really stand to gain remaining in Ireland, as they were already under pressure since 1916 (and look how much trouble it's been for them since). Unionists on another island, why didn't they just say "feck them!". I mean, the Brits abandoned many unionists in border counties. A few hundred thousand in what became the North they could've easily abandoned too. It wouldn't have cost them a second thought.
The Curragh Mutiny showed that the British Army in Ireland couldn't be trusted to fight against Unionists, in the event of Westminster saying 'to hell with the Protestants' they could have decided to row in with the UVF. Also, plenty of Ulster Unionists were in the House of Lords and best mates with other peers who would probably have blocked any attempts at 'abandoning' the north.
To get back to the question,I reckon 5 of NIs squad of 22 named today are Catholic.In mitigation the number would be substantially more if the defectors to the FAI hadn't defected.The manager is Catholic as well of course.
Do you have to have a UK passport to play for NI?
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Do you have to have a UK passport to play for NI?
From wiki
Players born in Northern Ireland have a right by birth to Irish and British citizenship which entitles them to be selected for the representative teams of the Irish Football Association (IFA - Northern Ireland) as well as of the Football Association of Ireland (FAI - Republic of Ireland). In contrast, players born in the Republic of Ireland do not have such dual nationality from birth and, as a consequence, are confined to playing for the teams of the FAI and cannot play for Northern Ireland unless they have a parent or grandparent who was born there. This has been a long-running cause for concern for the IFA.[citation needed]
Players otherwise eligible for Northern Ireland do not need a UK passport if they have an Irish passport.[54] A 2006 FIFA decision to require a UK passport was reversed after a month of IFA protests, with intervention from Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland Secretary, and Dermot Ahern, the Republic's Minister for Foreign Affairs.[55][54]
Quote from: king of leon on May 28, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
I think you might see a lot more young Catholics representing NI in the near future.
The IFA are doing a lot of work in the the youth development squads to promote an all inclusive culture to help cut out young lads changing allegiance.
I think we will always see some cross over but you have to give them credit for trying to do something.
I would agree ref Windsor Park, it's not a great place for a catholic to have to go to, but again Belfast is beginning to regenerate itself so some of the areas down that way may tidy themselves up.
The main problem is the supporters, vast majority are socially deprived and unfortunately don't have the education or leadership behind them to try and promote a all inclusive atmosphere at games.
You must be vying for 'Bigot of the year award' with this comment.
Quote from: michaelg on May 29, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
Quote from: king of leon on May 28, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
The main problem is the supporters, vast majority are socially deprived and unfortunately don't have the education or leadership behind them to try and promote a all inclusive atmosphere at games.
You must be vying for 'Bigot of the year award' with this comment.
On the contrary, he is going them an excuse, when of course education has nothing to do with it, rather an attachment to 17th century sectarianism.
Quote from: king of leon on May 28, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
I think you might see a lot more young Catholics representing NI in the near future.
The IFA are doing a lot of work in the the youth development squads to promote an all inclusive culture to help cut out young lads changing allegiance.
I think we will always see some cross over but you have to give them credit for trying to do something.
I would agree ref Windsor Park, it's not a great place for a catholic to have to go to, but again Belfast is beginning to regenerate itself so some of the areas down that way may tidy themselves up.
The main problem is the supporters, vast majority are socially deprived and unfortunately don't have the education or leadership behind them to try and promote a all inclusive atmosphere at games.
If that's the case, then what's the excuse for educated unionist politicans?
Quote from: BennyCake on May 29, 2016, 01:57:16 AM
Quote from: king of leon on May 28, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
I think you might see a lot more young Catholics representing NI in the near future.
The IFA are doing a lot of work in the the youth development squads to promote an all inclusive culture to help cut out young lads changing allegiance.
I think we will always see some cross over but you have to give them credit for trying to do something.
I would agree ref Windsor Park, it's not a great place for a catholic to have to go to, but again Belfast is beginning to regenerate itself so some of the areas down that way may tidy themselves up.
The main problem is the supporters, vast majority are socially deprived and unfortunately don't have the education or leadership behind them to try and promote a all inclusive atmosphere at games.
If that's the case, then what's the excuse for educated unionist politicans?
It's not the case. Bigotry has zero zero zero to do with social deprivation. Some posters on here are clearly on the wind-up.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
To get back to the question,I reckon 5 of NIs squad of 22 named today are Catholic.In mitigation the number would be substantially more if the defectors to the FAI hadn't defected.The manager is Catholic as well of course.
I'd reckon 7 at least and that is only counting those born in Ireland. So might actually be about 40%.
I can only count 5 definitely although I don't know anything about the players not actually born here.It is rubbish to think NI supporters come from deprived backgrounds.Blockbookers have the wherewithal to buy tickets unlike those from deprived areas.
I see Peter Mc Parland,veteran of 1958 World Cup,who is well into his eighties,and a Newry catholic,complaining in the paper today about "the Republic nicking our players!" ::)
Do they go to Mass though? We need to know this.
Bigotry is highly correlated with poverty and economic insecurity.
Loyalists are badly educated compared to nationalists and the sort of jobs available to them reflect this. Working class beneficiaries of unjust systems who lose their privileges tend to have very high levels of resentment. Trump in the States feeds off this in the South .
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:35 AM
I can only count 5 definitely although I don't know anything about the players not actually born here.It is rubbish to think NI supporters come from deprived backgrounds.Blockbookers have the wherewithal to buy tickets unlike those from deprived areas.
Assumptions have to be made but Josh BRENDAN Magennis and Gareth GERALD McAuley may or may not be?
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Bigotry is highly correlated with poverty and economic insecurity.
Loyalists are badly educated compared to nationalists and the sort of jobs available to them reflect this. Working class beneficiaries of unjust systems who lose their privileges tend to have very high levels of resentment. Trump in the States feeds off this in the South .
Are you seriously on the wind-up?? Have you been to Belfast?? I worked in higher education in Belfast and beyond for 12 years, 7 years in West Belfast on both sides as such, I didn't see a difference in the educational standards while working with 16 year olds who just left school... There was resentment by both.... Each group looking to pull moves and beat the system.... You seriously are deluded
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2016, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Bigotry is highly correlated with poverty and economic insecurity.
Loyalists are badly educated compared to nationalists and the sort of jobs available to them reflect this. Working class beneficiaries of unjust systems who lose their privileges tend to have very high levels of resentment. Trump in the States feeds off this in the South .
Are you seriously on the wind-up?? Have you been to Belfast?? I worked in higher education in Belfast and beyond for 12 years, 7 years in West Belfast on both sides as such, I didn't see a difference in the educational standards while working with 16 year olds who just left school... There was resentment by both.... Each group looking to pull moves and beat the system.... You seriously are deluded
So are results for Shankill on a par with those for nationalist areas?
Are loyalist kids going to Queens in the same numbers as working class nationalists ?
Answers on a postcard please
Seafoid is like many from the South,who haven't got a clue about the complexities of life in the North.Bigotry is fairly prominent among all social classes,and on both sides,all of whom are insecure and perceive themselves to be threatened if not oppressed by "the other side". He also laughingly thinks that as the Tories curb public spending ,unionists will decide for economic reasons that they'd be better off in a United Ireland and magic pots of money will appear.He doesn't realise the powerful emotional pull of unionism and nationalism,which is immune always to economic and all other objective rational arguments.
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2016, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Bigotry is highly correlated with poverty and economic insecurity.
Loyalists are badly educated compared to nationalists and the sort of jobs available to them reflect this. Working class beneficiaries of unjust systems who lose their privileges tend to have very high levels of resentment. Trump in the States feeds off this in the South .
Are you seriously on the wind-up?? Have you been to Belfast?? I worked in higher education in Belfast and beyond for 12 years, 7 years in West Belfast on both sides as such, I didn't see a difference in the educational standards while working with 16 year olds who just left school... There was resentment by both.... Each group looking to pull moves and beat the system.... You seriously are deluded
So are results for Shankill on a par with those for nationalist areas?
Are loyalist kids going to Queens in the same numbers as working class nationalists ?
Answers on a postcard please
So did the taigs produce more bigots when they didn't do well at school and couldn't afford to go to queens???
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Bigotry is highly correlated with poverty and economic insecurity.
Loyalists are badly educated compared to nationalists and the sort of jobs available to them reflect this. Working class beneficiaries of unjust systems who lose their privileges tend to have very high levels of resentment. Trump in the States feeds off this in the South .
Don't think there is any evidence out there to back up that claim Seafoid
This is one of the biggest problems in NI I would say . And the DUP is not interested.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26855040
Poorer Protestant boys in Northern Ireland are seriously underachieving at school according to a new report.
Only Roma and Traveller children are getting poorer results, according to the study by the Community Relations Council.
However, the figures show that 76% of Catholic girls from better off backgrounds are among the highest achievers.
Girls from this background are beaten only by Chinese girls in the UK table.
The study by the Community Relations Council has compared all ethnic groups across the UK using five good GCSE grades as the measure of success.
The report found that just over half of Northern Ireland's Protestant boys who do not get free schools meals achieve five GCSEs.
Dr Paul Nolan, the academic who carried out the research, said there would be long-term consequences if action was not taken.
"They are being locked out of employment. Even if we get investment into places like east Belfast, these kids will not be able to get jobs because they won't have the qualifications," he said.
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26855040
Poorer Protestant boys in Northern Ireland are seriously underachieving at school according to a new report.
Only Roma and Traveller children are getting poorer results, according to the study by the Community Relations Council.
However, the figures show that 76% of Catholic girls from better off backgrounds are among the highest achievers.
Girls from this background are beaten only by Chinese girls in the UK table.
The study by the Community Relations Council has compared all ethnic groups across the UK using five good GCSE grades as the measure of success.
The report found that just over half of Northern Ireland's Protestant boys who do not get free schools meals achieve five GCSEs.
Dr Paul Nolan, the academic who carried out the research, said there would be long-term consequences if action was not taken.
"They are being locked out of employment. Even if we get investment into places like east Belfast, these kids will not be able to get jobs because they won't have the qualifications," he said.
Seafoid again having worked in higher education for a number of years, and my direct job was trying to get lads an apprenticeship I did not see any difference in either the Shankill or the Falls... the vast majority of these lads went back into the system because they were not motivated to get a job due to the long term unemployment in their families and environment, coupled with alcohol and drug abuse from an early age this was rife among prods and taigs ..... you had around 3 or 4 kids that would have stayed the full term in getting an apprenticeship and maintaining that job, their ability to get essential skills in maths and English was very very questionable to be brutally honest, this is were facts and stats don't actually stand up... again I seen this first hand..... you didn't and pulling up stats wont change that view
There is no doubt that there is problem with education of Protestant youths and there us also no doubt that education is no cure for bigotry, look at McCausland or Allister.
The point here us the people with right on their side are happy to give up any principles while those promoting sectarianism stick to their odious philosophy.
MR thanks for your insight and obviously you saw situations involving individuals with the drive required. But loyalist education is a system issue. NI Protestant political parties are bourgeois parties who can't be arsed dealing with working class problems. Paisley secured the support of working people but he never thought about how to support them coherently. As long as loyalist education is substandard the NI economy will suffer. And Windsor Park will not be a pleasant experience.
Read this Seafoid
http://sluggerotoole.com/2014/04/14/educational-underachievement-part-1-are-protestants-getting-left-behind-in-education-the-statistically-based-answer-is-an-emphatic-no/
I have been to Belfast a few times. It has the feel of a city that missed out on a few decades. A lot less confident than Dublin. Segregated. Old infrastructure. Reminded me of Limerick. A time bomb that exploded .
Belfast has been regenerated and has better infrastructure than Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
I have been to Belfast a few times. It has the feel of a city that missed out on a few decades. A lot less confident than Dublin. Segregated. Old infrastructure. Reminded me of Limerick. A time bomb that exploded .
Mr stereotype!! You'd be better understanding the workings of this island rather the other places you seem to have more knowledge on...
If we used your logic Galway has no electricity everyone lives in white farm houses and speaks Irish
Also Eoin Bradley found Windsor Park hospitable enough a few weeks ago when he set up the first goal in the IFA Cup Final and had his kids on the pitch after the game.Also brother Paddy and a minibus full from Glenuĺlin were seated in the stands.As far as I know they're all still alive.To be fair Seafoid's lack of understanding of the North is replicated at Dublin Government level.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
Also Eoin Bradley found Windsor Park hospitable enough a few weeks ago when he set up the first goal in the IFA Cup Final and had his kids on the pitch after the game.Also brother Paddy and a minibus full from Glenuĺlin were seated in the stands.As far as I know they're all still alive.To be fair Seafoid's lack of understanding of the North is replicated at Dublin Government level.
...and Westminster.
True.As I say why owe allegiance to Dublin or London when neither wants nor understands us?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
I have been to Belfast a few times. It has the feel of a city that missed out on a few decades. A lot less confident than Dublin. Segregated. Old infrastructure. Reminded me of Limerick. A time bomb that exploded .
Mr stereotype!! You'd be better understanding the workings of this island rather the other places you seem to have more knowledge on...
If we used your logic Galway has no electricity everyone lives in white farm houses and speaks Irish
If NI was a functional polity it wouldn't need 10bn from the Westminster teat. The Loyalist question is a pretty big impediment to progress. Compare direct foreign investment north and south
. Lots of people in Galway speak Irish. It brings in loads of tourists.
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
I have been to Belfast a few times. It has the feel of a city that missed out on a few decades. A lot less confident than Dublin. Segregated. Old infrastructure. Reminded me of Limerick. A time bomb that exploded .
Mr stereotype!! You'd be better understanding the workings of this island rather the other places you seem to have more knowledge on...
If we used your logic Galway has no electricity everyone lives in white farm houses and speaks Irish
If NI was a functional polity it wouldn't need 10bn from the Westminster teat. The Loyalist question is a pretty big impediment to progress. Compare direct foreign investment north and south
. Lots of people in Galway speak Irish. It brings in loads of tourists.
Id say more tourist come to Belfast.... That's irrelevant....the Celtic tiger brought better infrastructure and money to the South, but at what cost?? Certainly the payback from owing soooo much money and nearly getting kicked out of the EU has had an immediate impact on the normal Paddy
I think with a different economic model the south would be able to afford the north. There would be lots of synergies.
Seafoid,Malachi O'Doherty a political commentator up here,said that unionists still wouldn't be persuaded to join a Unitec Ireland if the South was Dubai.
There is no economic argument to be made.Even if there was a vote in favour,unionists would seek and probably get repartition.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Seafoid,Malachi O'Doherty a political commentator up here,said that unionists still wouldn't be persuaded to join a Unitec Ireland if the South was Dubai.
There is no economic argument to be made.Even if there was a vote in favour,unionists would seek and probably get repartition.
They can have Larne and Newtowards. If they don't wait too long.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjKytd1WUAEtuzs.jpg:large)
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Seafoid,Malachi O'Doherty a political commentator up here,said that unionists still wouldn't be persuaded to join a Unitec Ireland if the South was Dubai.
There is no economic argument to be made.Even if there was a vote in favour,unionists would seek and probably get repartition.
répartition wouldn't be viable Tony. North Down and Antrim. NI at the moment isn't really viable anyway.
I was just told this morning that the Phoenix Bar in Newry City (sic) centre was flying Northern Ireland flags for the Euros. I thought this couldn't be true, but just now I passed there and sure enough they are flying both IFA & FAI emblem type flags. Ok, this is a far cry from flying the old Stormont banner but I'm still fairly surprised.
Why wouldnt a Newry bar fly these flags? After all Pat Jennings and Peter Mc Parland come from Newry.I was in Drogheda on Monday,and a bar on the way into the town had a bunting featuring flags of all finalists including NI.
I await the usual, n.i ain't a country and that's not a real flag brigade :P
would it great if Michael D invited the NI team up to the Park for a going away bash.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
.I was in Drogheda on Monday,and a bar on the way into the town had a bunting featuring flags of all finalists including NI.
So what flag had they for the IFA's team?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
I await the usual, n.i ain't a country and that's not a real flag brigade :P
it's a siteeation .
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Why wouldnt a Newry bar fly these flags? After all Pat Jennings and Peter Mc Parland come from Newry.I was in Drogheda on Monday,and a bar on the way into the town had a bunting featuring flags of all finalists including NI.
Newry was always a West Brit town, obviously nothing has changed.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Seafoid,Malachi O'Doherty a political commentator up here,said that unionists still wouldn't be persuaded to join a Unitec Ireland if the South was Dubai.
There is no economic argument to be made.Even if there was a vote in favour,unionists would seek and probably get repartition.
They can have Larne and Newtowards. If they don't wait too long.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjKytd1WUAEtuzs.jpg:large)
That second map is amazing
Rossfan the Drogheda pub had in a continuous bunting,the flags of all 24 finalists including the "NI" flag,red hand and crown
To answer the question ask them do they go to mass regularly . Do they take the sacraments etc ....
But that would only tell you whether they were Catholic.
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
But that would only tell you whether they were Catholic.
How many posters then are actually catholic?? I think the title should be how many players see themselves as Irish
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 07:09:16 PM
Rossfan the Drogheda pub had in a continuous bunting,the flags of all 24 finalists including the "NI" flag,red hand and crown
Oh dear :(
Sky brainwashed I suspect.
Probably never heard of Sudden.
If they saw themselves as Irish, they wouldn't be playing for the Billy Boys. So the only question remains is if they bless themselves before taking a penalty.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
But that would only tell you whether they were Catholic.
How many posters then are actually catholic?? I think the title should be how many players see themselves as Irish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUraAKeu7nc
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
But that would only tell you whether they were Catholic.
Sin a bhfuil an ceist .
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Why wouldnt a Newry bar fly these flags? After all Pat Jennings and Peter Mc Parland come from Newry.I was in Drogheda on Monday,and a bar on the way into the town had a bunting featuring flags of all finalists including NI.
Newry was always a West Brit town, obviously nothing has changed.
ye whattt!! cant see too many round newry cheering on owc.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 08:41:56 PM
If they saw themselves as Irish, they wouldn't be playing for the Billy Boys. So the only question remains is if they bless themselves before taking a penalty.
So basically what you're saying is anyone that gets to represent n.i in sport is British and feel themselves to be British? Like Paddy Barnes??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 09:11:04 PM
So basically what you're saying is anyone that gets to represent n.i in sport is British and feel themselves to be British? Like Paddy Barnes??
Paddy Barnes is a member of the British Empire, so clearly he feels himself British.
The Commonwealth Games are a bit of an outlier, not quite comparable.
If I'm not mistaken,a NI match programme had an article (complete with photo of them at a Windsor Park game) on John and Martin Clarke,in which they described how they'd been N I fans since they were in prams.Such is the dangers of stereotyping.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Why wouldnt a Newry bar fly these flags? After all Pat Jennings and Peter Mc Parland come from Newry.I was in Drogheda on Monday,and a bar on the way into the town had a bunting featuring flags of all finalists including NI.
Newry was always a West Brit town, obviously nothing has changed.
ye whattt!! cant see too many round newry cheering on owc.
Was thinking very much the same myself. I'd say you'd be set right very quickly if you said that in Barcroft, Derrybeg, Parkhead, etc...
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 09:11:04 PM
So basically what you're saying is anyone that gets to represent n.i in sport is British and feel themselves to be British? Like Paddy Barnes??
Paddy Barnes is a member of the British Empire, so clearly he feels himself British.
The Commonwealth Games are a bit of an outlier, not quite comparable.
You can represent n.i in other competitions too... Jesus you're hard work.... Black and white type of guy
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 08:41:56 PM
If they saw themselves as Irish, they wouldn't be playing for the Billy Boys. So the only question remains is if they bless themselves before taking a penalty.
The Irish Football Association has been organising association football teams and competitions in Ireland since 1880. Of course it is Irish.
Quote from: dec on June 01, 2016, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 08:41:56 PM
If they saw themselves as Irish, they wouldn't be playing for the Billy Boys. So the only question remains is if they bless themselves before taking a penalty.
The Irish Football Association has been organising association football teams and competitions in Ireland since 1880. Of course it is Irish.
The Orange Order has been around since 1795 and is of course Irish, but that doesn't mean that you should join them.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 09:14:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken,a NI match programme had an article (complete with photo of them at a Windsor Park game) on John and Martin Clarke,in which they described how they'd been N I fans since they were in prams.Such is the dangers of stereotyping.
I remember supporting Norn Irn at the 86 World Cup, but I was just a youngster and didn't know any better. Then I grew up and realised what I'd done. What's their excuse?
I have to laugh at OWC's billboard on the Antrim Road in Belfast featuring Liam Boyce. Someone has cleverly threw something onto the picture making Liam look like he is being sick. I'm not sure this is because he is playing for the occupied six, or because he didn't get on the plane to France.
Quote from: Orior on June 01, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
I have to laugh at OWC's billboard on the Antrim Road in Belfast featuring Liam Boyce. Someone has cleverly threw something onto the picture making Liam look like he is being sick. I'm not sure this is because he is playing for the occupied six, or because he didn't get on the plane to France.
Or cos he plays in a pub league ??
NI and ROI like Celtic and Rangers alas represent two different communities.Fact of life.As long as they do not practice sectarianism in team selection and do their best to rid sectarianism from their support base that's all you can ask.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
NI and ROI like Celtic and Rangers alas represent two different communities.Fact of life.As long as they do not practice sectarianism in team selection and do their best to rid sectarianism from their support base that's all you can ask.
Quite right, two communities is correct, NI represents unionist colonial types and the ROI normal Irish people. I couldn't have put it better myself.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
NI and ROI like Celtic and Rangers alas represent two different communities.Fact of life.As long as they do not practice sectarianism in team selection and do their best to rid sectarianism from their support base that's all you can ask.
Quite right, two communities is correct, NI represents unionist colonial types and the ROI normal Irish people. I couldn't have put it better myself.
Your view point is as staunch as the dup.... Lets hope you're children don't grow up to date/marry people from different view point to you
It is a fact of life.The fact that you have alluded to has been conceded in a referendum,by a vast majority of nationalist people North and South as well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 11:30:50 PM
Your view point is as staunch as the dup.... Lets hope you're children don't grow up to date/marry people from different view point to you
Let's hope that my family never support colonial sectarianism.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
It is a fact of life.The fact that you have alluded to has been conceded in a referendum,by a vast majority of nationalist people North and South as well.
Oh right, which part of the referendum addressed this matter?
The part,which both electorates North and South agreed, that there cannot be any change in the constitutional status of NI unless a majority of its people consent to such change.Over 90% of those who voted in the south endorsed this and were encouraged to do so by a Fianna Fáil led government in Dublin.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
NI and ROI like Celtic and Rangers alas represent two different communities.Fact of life.As long as they do not practice sectarianism in team selection and do their best to rid sectarianism from their support base that's all you can ask.
Quite right, two communities is correct, NI represents unionist colonial types and the ROI normal Irish people. I couldn't have put it better myself.
As well as a load of Brits.
Darron Gibson was the first high profile Northern born player to opt for the Republic as far as I am aware. I assume anyone born in the North could have done the same down through the years. I wonder why it took so long.
Not only that, but I wonder if any past catholic players who opted for Norn Irn werent kicking themselves thinking they could have done the same, especially when Republic were at a few tournaments in the last 30 years.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 01, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
Darron Gibson was the first high profile Northern born player to opt for the Republic as far as I am aware. I assume anyone born in the North could have done the same down through the years. I wonder why it took so long.
Not only that, but I wonder if any past catholic players who opted for Norn Irn werent kicking themselves thinking they could have done the same, especially when Republic were at a few tournaments in the last 30 years.
Alan Kernaghan was a fairly high profile switch during Jack Charlton era, born in England but grew up in Bangor and represented NI at youth.
It was not an option until fairly recent years.Besides had they done so Pat Jennings etc wouldn't have played in World Cup Finals.I think for some technical reason Kernaghan wasn't able to play for NI at senior level.
Hasn't been too many defections since Martin O'Neill took over.I think he has not really encouraged anyone to defect,given his empathy with the NI team,being a former captain of the team.
Quote from: NetNitrate on June 02, 2016, 01:18:17 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 01, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
Darron Gibson was the first high profile Northern born player to opt for the Republic as far as I am aware. I assume anyone born in the North could have done the same down through the years. I wonder why it took so long.
Not only that, but I wonder if any past catholic players who opted for Norn Irn werent kicking themselves thinking they could have done the same, especially when Republic were at a few tournaments in the last 30 years.
Alan Kernaghan was a fairly high profile switch during Jack Charlton era, born in England but grew up in Bangor and represented NI at youth.
Alan Kernaghan was a ballboy at Windsor Park and wanted to but was unable to play for NI as the rules were different to what they are now.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 01, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
Darron Gibson was the first high profile Northern born player to opt for the Republic as far as I am aware. I assume anyone born in the North could have done the same down through the years. I wonder why it took so long.
Not only that, but I wonder if any past catholic players who opted for Norn Irn werent kicking themselves thinking they could have done the same, especially when Republic were at a few tournaments in the last 30 years.
Probably because they feel that they have been supported and nurtured throughout the under age teams. As far as I can recall, Gibson made the move because of a falling of out about attending an under age squad when he thought it may affect his chances at Man Utd. i.e. It seemed more to do with the fact that he was a big time Charlie, rather than any big political statement.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
The part,which both electorates North and South agreed, that there cannot be any change in the constitutional status of NI unless a majority of its people consent to such change.Over 90% of those who voted in the south endorsed this and were encouraged to do so by a Fianna Fáil led government in Dublin.
It's hilarious to see you using this, Tony. You hop from "the south doesn't care about us" to "the south supports us" depending on the weather. You change your mind like a girl changes clothes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHNpusq654
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2016, 11:35:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2016, 11:30:50 PM
Your view point is as staunch as the dup.... Lets hope you're children don't grow up to date/marry people from different view point to you
Let's hope that my family never support colonial sectarianism.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
It is a fact of life.The fact that you have alluded to has been conceded in a referendum,by a vast majority of nationalist people North and South as well.
Oh right, which part of the referendum addressed this matter?
You truly are stuck in the past, division is want you want, no different to the TUV or Our Wullie ... Here's hoping you're a dying breed and kids growing up can make sensible decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2016, 08:14:18 AM
You truly are stuck in the past, division is want you want, no different to the TUV or Our Wullie ... Here's hoping you're a dying breed and kids growing up can make sensible decisions
Do you ever read what you write? It is sectarian and divided teams should be consigned to the past, as almost every other sport does.
This is the classic unionist distortion of things in the 6 counties, if the TUV advocate bigotry and someone else condemns bigotry then they are "two sides of the same coin" "one side is a bad as the other", when of course no reasonable person would see any symmetry whatsoever in the situation.
It appears, sadly, that I am dying breed and that an increasing proportion of people aspire not to be full citizens in a normal country but rather second class members of the British Empire.
You are a dying breed.Most of us realise the freestate doesn't want us,they abandoned us 100 yeard ago and in 1998,there is an increasing cultural gulf between northern nationalists and the southern variety,and all citizens from the 6 counties would be third class citizens in a United Ireland
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:07:57 AM
You are a dying breed.Most of us realise the freestate doesn't want us,they abandoned us 100 yeard ago and in 1998,there is an increasing cultural gulf between northern nationalists and the southern variety,and all citizens from the 6 counties would be third class citizens in a United Ireland
Please discuss the cultural gulf Tony and do remember to include Man Utd and Strictly in your analysis.
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
Stop calling yereselves " nationalists" then.
Dissident non British Irish perhaps ;D
The less materialistic bit is some laugh....
" I want a United Ireland but not if iit's going to cost me anything"
Abstemious ....an even bigger laugh.
Plain speaking ... You mean rude and aggressive.
I know you're only winding up but try a bit more subtlety for us Connacht lads.
I stand by my previous comment as well as no common contemporary history or shared identity.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
That sounds like older rural people down south bar maybe the plain speaking .What defines Irish people for me is openness, friendliness, a sense of charity, less wound up than English people, tolerance, a certain sloppiness ...
Seafoid.I have highlighted the gulf between nationalists north and south.I haven't even mentioned the vast chasm between Northern unionists and everyone else on the island!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:07:57 AM
You are a dying breed.Most of us realise the freestate doesn't want us,they abandoned us 100 yeard ago and in 1998,there is an increasing cultural gulf between northern nationalists and the southern variety,and all citizens from the 6 counties would be third class citizens in a United Ireland
The flow of crap continues. How exactly would someone from Belcoo be inferior to someone from Blacklion in a United Ireland. Details please.
I am not talking about people from neighbouring townlands but the view of the vast majority in the south and its government,which see us as a separate people.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
I am not talking about people from neighbouring townlands but the view of the vast majority in the south and its government,which see us as a separate people.
From my travels I have found Tyrone people uncannily like Cork people. Would have more in common/ common outlook on things than people from 'greater Belfast area' for instance. Hardly see us as a separate people now, come on.
I met some of the Tyrone posters and they knew a lot about gaelic football which was very surprising for foreigners.
Tony, your theory on this is pure shite
NI is a failed political experiment.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
I am not talking about people from neighbouring townlands but the view of the vast majority in the south and its government,which see us as a separate people.
True catholics would see us all as a holy nation, a royal priesthood and a people set apart.
anyone who doesn't is self hating and probably a shoneen
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on June 02, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
I am not talking about people from neighbouring townlands but the view of the vast majority in the south and its government,which see us as a separate people.
From my travels I have found Tyrone people uncannily like Cork people. Would have more in common/ common outlook on things than people from 'greater Belfast area' for instance. Hardly see us as a separate people now, come on.
I agree. What exactly do I have in common with Joey from Essex?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
Where are these people you speak off?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
Translation: generally I am obstreperous, too tight to buy a pint, religious nut, and live in poorer part of the country.
Quote from: T Fearon link=topic=27034.msg1591355#msg1591355 date=14648662I haven't even mentioned the vast chasm between Northern unionists and everyone else on the island!
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There's a vast chasm between the 800,000 Northern Unionists and the other 7,000.000,000 or so people in the world. ;D
Starts with the calendar - 2016 for the 7bn, 1716 for the 800k.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2016, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2016, 08:14:18 AM
You truly are stuck in the past, division is want you want, no different to the TUV or Our Wullie ... Here's hoping you're a dying breed and kids growing up can make sensible decisions
Do you ever read what you write? It is sectarian and divided teams should be consigned to the past, as almost every other sport does.
This is the classic unionist distortion of things in the 6 counties, if the TUV advocate bigotry and someone else condemns bigotry then they are "two sides of the same coin" "one side is a bad as the other", when of course no reasonable person would see any symmetry whatsoever in the situation.
It appears, sadly, that I am dying breed and that an increasing proportion of people aspire not to be full citizens in a normal country but rather second class members of the British Empire.
30 odd years ago when I was a teenager living in West Belfast I'd believe that, seen it and lived through it, worked in loyalist shipyard for 13 years but we ain't living in that world anymore, things have moved on, possibly for you not quick enough, but I've lived through a lot of sectarianism, bombings and shootings, I'm not bitter that's just the way it was after being dumped by the South, id say where we live now (n.i) isn't even close to the n.i of the 70's. The tuv would prefer to get back there and the dissenters want to keep on bombing.... If a Untied Ireland comes along then brill, if it doesn't, then that's want the people vote for.... Labeling yourself second class member if the British empire is silly.....
Id vote for United Ireland..... Be some carnage around Antrim and Down areas, but you'll be fine in Armagh
In Portadown? True things have changed immensely.In my youth I had to take to my heels on a few occasions to avoid a beating.I think people have seen generally the stupidity of sectarianism and how wealthy classes (which always existed on both sides) at best dont care or at worst used them.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
A belief in God !!!
Maybe in the over 50s but that would be the same in the south as well.
Look up from your prayer book the next time you are at mass and count the number of 25 to 40 year olds there.
One hand should be enough
Quote from: FermGael on June 02, 2016, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Seafoid,generally Northern nationalists are more plain speaking,abstemious,retain a belief in God,less materialistic,than their southern cousins.Sadly we are increasingly a distinct and separate people.
A belief in God !!!
Maybe in the over 50s but that would be the same in the south as well.
Look up from your prayer book the next time you are at mass and count the number of 25 to 40 year olds there.
One hand should be enough
I would agree to an extent but it would be interesting to see differences in mass goers in that age group in certain areas in tbe north especially in the likes of North Antrim where the Catholic population is surrounded by loyalist heartlands. Faith is perhaps 'stronger' here.
The people of the south have not had the same life experiences,particularly of the older generation of the North.There is no real empathy, as a result of 100 years of partition,when we effectively went our separate ways.There isnt even any real desire for unity apart from diehards and those who just want to wind up the prods.Bertie Ahern aspires to be a good neighbour,Enda talks about North and South,not the island as one entity.
You and Enda have one thing in common anyway.
2 if you include freebies to events etc ;D
Milltown the "South" never dumped the North.
It never had it in the first place ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 04:00:42 PM
In Portadown? True things have changed immensely.In my youth I had to take to my heels on a few occasions to avoid a beating.I think people have seen generally the stupidity of sectarianism and how wealthy classes (which always existed on both sides) at best dont care or at worst used them.
All it takes is another Drumcree standoff and we'll see if it's changed much!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 04:49:39 PM
The people of the south have not had the same life experiences,particularly of the older generation of the North.There is no real empathy, as a result of 100 years of partition,when we effectively went our separate ways.There isnt even any real desire for unity apart from diehards and those who just want to wind up the prods.Bertie Ahern aspires to be a good neighbour,Enda talks about North and South,not the island as one entity.
Multiple polls in the 26 counties indicate a wish for unity. Almost nobody there wishes to wind up the Prods, although some wish to pander to them.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 04:49:39 PM
The people of the south have not had the same life experiences,particularly of the older generation of the North.There is no real empathy, as a result of 100 years of partition,when we effectively went our separate ways.There isnt even any real desire for unity apart from diehards and those who just want to wind up the prods.Bertie Ahern aspires to be a good neighbour,Enda talks about North and South,not the island as one entity.
Tony, have you ever lived in the south?
No.But I've spent a lot of time there,in practically every county.The difference to the North is discernible,sadly you get the feeling you are in a different country.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
No.But I've spent a lot of time there,in practically every county.The difference to the North is discernible,sadly you get the feeling you are in a different country.
Well I do Tony. I've lived with people from Monaghan, Wexford, Kildare, Roscommon etc, and I have found absolutely feck all difference in their attitudes, opinions and beliefs than the people I grew up with in Down.
On a normal day to day issues you could find common ground with any nationality,concern about health,liking for sunshine,similar foods,sport etc.Moreso if living together means shared interest in the upkeep of an abode,or sustaining an intimate relationship.But that does not alter the fact that northerners and southerners have little in common in terms of outlook (how could they when they've led separate lives?).Same applies to Northerners and English people too.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
On a normal day to day issues you could find common ground with any nationality,concern about health,liking for sunshine,similar foods,sport etc.Moreso if living together means shared interest in the upkeep of an abode,or sustaining an intimate relationship.But that does not alter the fact that northerners and southerners have little in common in terms of outlook (how could they when they've led separate lives?).Same applies to Northerners and English people too.
Absolute rubbish. I've been placed randomly with people through college accommodation and the housing crisis where we could be worlds apart on a lot of issues. This idea that you have been propagating over the last few months about a "Northern Ireland identity" is nonsense, we are of the same blood, attitudes, culture, sport, religion (mostly) etc. The same left/right divides exist, the same differing shades of green (strength of nationalism). There may be a certain ignorance among
some of the populace as regards the situation in the north, but this absurd notion that I am somehow different to another person living in Carlingford, Carrickmacross, Kenmare or Cork is either a great wind up for you, or a bitterness that the south is now a modern and liberal state - which the O6 would be if the likes of the DUP were not holding it back.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
On a normal day to day issues you could find common ground with any nationality,concern about health,liking for sunshine,similar foods,sport etc.Moreso if living together means shared interest in the upkeep of an abode,or sustaining an intimate relationship.But that does not alter the fact that northerners and southerners have little in common in terms of outlook (how could they when they've led separate lives?).Same applies to Northerners and English people too.
Middle class Dubs and cork farmers have very different outlooks
There is no relevant difference between Northern and Southern Irish people. Culturally we are the same.
If that's the case why did the South's Taoiseach,while trying to persuade Irish diaspora in England last weekend to vote stay,say a Brexit would have a devastating effect on "Ireland and the North?" Does this not indicate that the leader of the south even thinks the North is a different place from "Ireland".Sharing interests and concerns with fellow students does not mean you are one and the same.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
If that's the case why did the South's Taoiseach,while trying to persuade Irish diaspora in England last weekend to vote stay,say a Brexit would have a devastating effect on "Ireland and the North?" Does this not indicate that the leader of the south even thinks the North is a different place from "Ireland".Sharing interests and concerns with fellow students does not mean you are one and the same.
Admittedly Fine Gael and their diehard supporters are different and are a disgrace to Ireland and the men and women who died to allow FG to even exist. However you can't just pass over the rest of the point like that. Thankfully Tony, I have more in common with the average young UUP supporter in Banbridge than I do with an ultra-conservative nutcase like yourself.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
If that's the case why did the South's Taoiseach,while trying to persuade Irish diaspora in England last weekend to vote stay,say a Brexit would have a devastating effect on "Ireland and the North?" Does this not indicate that the leader of the south even thinks the North is a different place from "Ireland".Sharing interests and concerns with fellow students does not mean you are one and the same.
It means there are 2 economies. But nothing to do with the cultural make up of the people.
Bertie Ahern addressing a largely nationalist audience in Newry late last year stressed he was there as a neighbour.So don't blame it all on FG.At the end of the day Norrherners of all hues have more in common with each other than they will ever have with people in England or the South.I would also agree with Michael Mc Dowell who said that people in the South have more in common with people in Britain than they have with Northerners.
It's as bad as Goodwin's Law, the Fearon Law,
That's the time you know a thread is totally fcked when
Tony attempts to turn it into getting attention about his current angst.
No thread is immune to this threat.
What have all northerners in common?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2016, 11:01:56 PM
What have all northerners in common?
Whinging? Chips on shoulders? Literal minds?
Only joking folks :D :D
We're not all Savages! 😂😂😂
A competitive provincial championship.
Used to have one of those!
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Yes,have you never heard of "our Wee country'
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 06:44:00 AM
Yes,have you never heard of "our Wee country'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j3P2edmlsE
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Again this is just you being a dick..... Its n.i. A country/state or part of the UK do Scottish people think Scotland is a country? Or the Welsh think Wales is a country??
I very much get the feeling that the fawning by some people over a National Identity like Northern Irish (the team is part of this) is people desperate to say that the past is all over and settled and we're grand now its all sorted and we're pretty much all one, I think it's an at times exasperated attempt at meeting in the middle. Our Society doesn't and has never worked like that nothing ever stays static, however the effectiveness of this will of course influence where the next shift is to.
Not to mention its obviously a step in the implementation of Normalisation.
I don't feel Northern Irish and have never identitifed as such and can't see myself ever doing so either.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Again this is just you being a dick..... Its n.i. A country/state or part of the UK do Scottish people think Scotland is a country? Or the Welsh think Wales is a country??
Scotland is a country
So is Wales
Separate history, distinctive culture, continuity
NI is not . It's a bit of a province.
Quote from: No wides on June 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Excellent! A self-referential statement on bigotry. I'm reminded of the Mayo fella in London who's going to vote for Brexit because there are too many immigrants in London.
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: No wides on June 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
I have seen a few interviews with players in magazines and they often say "it''s great to unite the country", "it's great to play for the country". Do unionists think of NI as a country ?
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Excellent! A self-referential statement on bigotry. I'm reminded of the Mayo fella in London who's going to vote for Brexit because there are too many immigrants in London.
It is a statement of fact but you would know a lot about the problems in the occupied 6.
Geography is wisdom. OK ...
Meanwhile let's get back to your entertaining game.
"Nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded".
Your turn.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Again this is just you being a dick..... Its n.i. A country/state or part of the UK do Scottish people think Scotland is a country? Or the Welsh think Wales is a country??
Mliltown Row, are you calling someone a dick for not imagining that NI is a country, when everyone from James Craig to the British government think it a "province". I think you are losing perspective here.
IMHO this reference to a country is one of the clearest signs that the IFA are in no sense attempting to reach beyond the unionist community.
Quote from: No wides on June 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Unionists don't reflect much on their position, their sordid sectarian colonisation project is not justifiable and so they can only resort to the repetition of nonsense, which they are very good at.
Can people not look beyond the politics and just see it as another team to support at the euros?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Again this is just you being a dick..... Its n.i. A country/state or part of the UK do Scottish people think Scotland is a country? Or the Welsh think Wales is a country??
Mliltown Row, are you calling someone a dick for not imagining that NI is a country, when everyone from James Craig to the British government think it a "province". I think you are losing perspective here.
IMHO this reference to a country is one of the clearest signs that the IFA are in no sense attempting to reach beyond the unionist community.
Quote from: No wides on June 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Unionists don't reflect much on their position, their sordid sectarian colonisation project is not justifiable and so they can only resort to the repetition of nonsense, which they are very good at.
In footballing terms and in a lot of sports its recognised as a country is it not? we are dealing with sport here nothing else but like most eejits here they want to bring politics into sport.... the players just want to play and that's their platform to improver their standing in whatever sport they play in, if its a professional sport then it actually helps them earn more money...
The fallacy up here is that unionists are deluded Irish people.They're not,they're emotionally and in every other way British,the same way as nationalists are emotionally and in every other way "Irish".When both communities open their eyes and see that neither British or Irish govts or people see them as their own kin then both will come together under a new N Irish identity bereft of superfluous divisive British Unionism or Irish nationalism.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
The fallacy up here is that unionists are deluded Irish people.They're not,they're emotionally and in every other way British,the same way as nationalists are emotionally and in every other way "Irish".When both communities open their eyes and see that neither British or Irish govts or people see them as their own kin then both will come together under a new N Irish identity bereft of superfluous divisive British Unionism or Irish nationalism.
Why do you seem to think we need someone else's permission to be Irish, British or whatever? I'm Irish it doesn't matter if someone 50 miles down the road doesn't consider me so that doesn't change the fact.
It does not bode well for your treatment by those people if they dont consider you to be of them,does it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 01:48:32 PM
In footballing terms and in a lot of sports its recognised as a country is it not? we are dealing with sport here nothing else but like most eejits here they want to bring politics into sport.... the players just want to play and that's their platform to improver their standing in whatever sport they play in, if its a professional sport then it actually helps them earn more money...
In most responsible sports it is not.
The IFA could take an approach of making the best of a bad lot, and take a sporting approach by talking of supporting the team. But all this shite about anthems and fallacious claims of being a country are coat trailing, pure and simple.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
The fallacy up here is that unionists are deluded Irish people.They're not,they're emotionally and in every other way British,the same way as nationalists are emotionally and in every other way "Irish".When both communities open their eyes and see that neither British or Irish govts or people see them as their own kin then both will come together under a new N Irish identity bereft of superfluous divisive British Unionism or Irish nationalism.
When Armagh won Sam did anyone turn away because they were foreign ?
Seafoid the criticism of the Northern style in the noughties (which was no worse than Meath in the late 80s) and the puke football label illustrates my point.Subconsciously there was an element of what do you expect? They are aliens after all,among the southern brethern as regards Northern teams winning All Irelands.
Donegal also got that criticism, and it is a county of the Free State.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Again this is just you being a dick..... Its n.i. A country/state or part of the UK do Scottish people think Scotland is a country? Or the Welsh think Wales is a country??
Mliltown Row, are you calling someone a dick for not imagining that NI is a country, when everyone from James Craig to the British government think it a "province". I think you are losing perspective here.
IMHO this reference to a country is one of the clearest signs that the IFA are in no sense attempting to reach beyond the unionist community.
Quote from: No wides on June 03, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
Most unionists / loyalists don't think they just blindly follow the bigotry that their politicians direct.
Unionists don't reflect much on their position, their sordid sectarian colonisation project is not justifiable and so they can only resort to the repetition of nonsense, which they are very good at.
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 02:13:58 PM
It does not bode well for your treatment by those people if they dont consider you to be of them,does it?
I'm one of those people so the argument doesn't work, I've never been treated any less of an Irish man down South, and I'd be down very regularly.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 04:20:24 PM
Seafoid the criticism of the Northern style in the noughties (which was no worse than Meath in the late 80s) and the puke football label illustrates my point.Subconsciously there was an element of what do you expect? They are aliens after all,among the southern brethern as regards Northern teams winning All Irelands.
Tony the Dubs get criticism now and I wouldn't take Spillane seriously.
Down did a huge job for Ireland in 1960 and it wasn't just for beating Kerry. #dare to dream
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 04:20:24 PM
Seafoid the criticism of the Northern style in the noughties (which was no worse than Meath in the late 80s) and the puke football label illustrates my point.Subconsciously there was an element of what do you expect? They are aliens after all,among the southern brethern as regards Northern teams winning All Irelands.
All true Irish and GAA people in the 26 were happy to see 4 of the 6 winning AIs.
Pateen Shpillane came out with the puke nonsense because his crowd were getting bet silly.
There's nothing wrong with complaining about a style of football or unsavoury behaviour by particular teams
Only problem I have is that the media/pundits never call out Kerry on their bad habits or carry on.
And you can rest assured Tony that if Fermanagh win Sam 30 other Counties will be delighted for them.
Of course there are partitionust gobshites who think everyone in the other jurisdiction are awful yokes altigether.....that's a 2 way street Tony ;)
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
I see the name calling has started.
If I said something untrue then correct me. Calling names is clear sign that you have no basis for argument.
The Protestant/Unionist community has many admirable traits, but an ability to reflect on their sordid history is not one of them.
If you have evidence to the contrary then please provide it, otherwise apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
I would go as far as to say in the 60s there was much more empathy between North and South,there was more of a give us back our six counties attitude in the South.But all that changed with the troubles,when the emphasis shifted down South to an attitude of "Thank God we don't have to sort all that out".Quite understandable.
I have no dislike of southern people at all, and spend quite a lot of time down there,but sadly after one hundred years we are now essentially different people,shaped by different relatively contemporary experiences and histories.Similiarly we are as different as night and day in comparison to English people.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
I have no dislike of southern people at all, and spend quite a lot of time down there,but sadly after one hundred years we are now essentially different people,shaped by different relatively contemporary experiences and histories.Similiarly we are as different as night and day in comparison to English people.
I think Tony you underrate the extent to which you are different from all people.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
I have no dislike of southern people at all, and spend quite a lot of time down there,but sadly after one hundred years we are now essentially different people,shaped by different relatively contemporary experiences and histories.Similiarly we are as different as night and day in comparison to English people.
I think Tony you underrate the extent to which you are different from all people.
:D
I pride myself in my diversity😜
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 10:23:32 PM
I pride myself in my diversity😜
Perhaps the mathematicians among us have a word for a vector orthogonal to all axes.
I'm Chinese.
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2016, 11:41:11 PM
I'm Chinese.
A lot of people are.
Myself, I think I am turning Japanese, I really think so.
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2016, 11:41:11 PM
I'm Chinese.
Aye, but are you a Chinese Protestant or a Chinese Catholic?
Let the football do the talking- most of us will watch the four teams to see how they compare against the rest of Europe
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2016, 11:41:11 PM
I'm Chinese.
You eat some weird sh*t:
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
I see the name calling has started.
If I said something untrue then correct me. Calling names is clear sign that you have no basis for argument.
The Protestant/Unionist community has many admirable traits, but an ability to reflect on their sordid history is not one of them.
If you have evidence to the contrary then please provide it, otherwise apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
David Trimble apologising for Northern Ireland being a 'coldhouse for catholics' would be one example. You didn't answer my question by the way.
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
I see the name calling has started.
If I said something untrue then correct me. Calling names is clear sign that you have no basis for argument.
The Protestant/Unionist community has many admirable traits, but an ability to reflect on their sordid history is not one of them.
If you have evidence to the contrary then please provide it, otherwise apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
David Trimble apologising for Northern Ireland being a 'coldhouse for catholics' would be one example. You didn't answer my question by the way.
Trimble apologised for the temperature of the house, but not the building of it in the first place. It was a house designed to privilege one group over another and while fiddling around with the thermostat is welcome, it doesn't change the original and continuing intention of the building.
Do you accept that the British colonisation of Ireland was an evil act by evil people and that no moral person can propose its continuance? A simple yes or no will do and no blather about different times, in the past and all that.
And if by your question you mean do I know or like any protestant / unionist people? Of course I know and like Protestant people, which of course has nothing to do with being unionist. I certainly number among my friends people whose grandfathers signed the Ulster Covenant, but who have decided to leave the negative and destructive elements of their heritage behind them and become positive members (and very welcome) of the community.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
I see the name calling has started.
If I said something untrue then correct me. Calling names is clear sign that you have no basis for argument.
The Protestant/Unionist community has many admirable traits, but an ability to reflect on their sordid history is not one of them.
If you have evidence to the contrary then please provide it, otherwise apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
David Trimble apologising for Northern Ireland being a 'coldhouse for catholics' would be one example. You didn't answer my question by the way.
Trimble apologised for the temperature of the house, but not the building of it in the first place. It was a house designed to privilege one group over another and while fiddling around with the thermostat is welcome, it doesn't change the original and continuing intention of the building.
Do you accept that the British colonisation of Ireland was an evil act by evil people and that no moral person can propose its continuance? A simple yes or no will do and no blather about different times, in the past and all that.
And if by your question you mean do I know or like any protestant / unionist people? Of course I know and like Protestant people, which of course has nothing to do with being unionist. I certainly number among my friends people whose grandfathers signed the Ulster Covenant, but who have decided to leave the negative and destructive elements of their heritage behind them and become positive members (and very welcome) of the community.
You don't half talk a lot of shite with your thermostats and what have you. You asked for an example and I provided one. You also talk about the 'continuing intention of the building' to be to priviege one group over another - Not sure how you can arrive at this conclusion when there is powersharing and Martin McGuiness is DFM.
As for your questions about the colonisation of Ireland, you are attempting looking at a complex matter in very simplistic terms. As such, I won't be drawn on answer to the first part of your question. You keep prattling on about colonisation projects etc, but this does not reflect the reality of the situation in Ireland. When protestants and catholics in Nothern Ireland want to remain as part of the UK, they are not enacting the next stage of some colonisation project which you often refer to. People want NI to remain within the UK for a variety of reasons, so yes, a 'moral person can propose its continuation', if by this you mean wanting to maintain the union with Britain.
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
As for your questions about the colonisation of Ireland, you are attempting looking at a complex matter in very simplistic terms. As such, I won't be drawn on answer to the first part of your question.
What is complex about simply stating that invading neighbouring countries with a view to colonising them is simply wrong? Do the Commandments not talk about not killing and stealing? There is nothing complex about this in moral terms.
Your reply is pretty predictable though, the usual obfuscation. As you have failed reflect on the sordid history of the PUL enterprise, exactly as I said would happen, please apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
I know you have made a recent post about sectarianism not being a two way street or some other such nonsense, but you are one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that I have ever encountered. Every post you make is loaded with invective and you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for everything related to the protestant / unionist community. Do you actually know or like any protestant / unionist people?
I see the name calling has started.
If I said something untrue then correct me. Calling names is clear sign that you have no basis for argument.
The Protestant/Unionist community has many admirable traits, but an ability to reflect on their sordid history is not one of them.
If you have evidence to the contrary then please provide it, otherwise apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
David Trimble apologising for Northern Ireland being a 'coldhouse for catholics' would be one example. You didn't answer my question by the way.
Trimble apologised for the temperature of the house, but not the building of it in the first place. It was a house designed to privilege one group over another and while fiddling around with the thermostat is welcome, it doesn't change the original and continuing intention of the building.
Do you accept that the British colonisation of Ireland was an evil act by evil people and that no moral person can propose its continuance? A simple yes or no will do and no blather about different times, in the past and all that.
And if by your question you mean do I know or like any protestant / unionist people? Of course I know and like Protestant people, which of course has nothing to do with being unionist. I certainly number among my friends people whose grandfathers signed the Ulster Covenant, but who have decided to leave the negative and destructive elements of their heritage behind them and become positive members (and very welcome) of the community.
You don't half talk a lot of shite with your thermostats and what have you. You asked for an example and I provided one. You also talk about the 'continuing intention of the building' to be to priviege one group over another - Not sure how you can arrive at this conclusion when there is powersharing and Martin McGuiness is DFM.
As for your questions about the colonisation of Ireland, you are attempting looking at a complex matter in very simplistic terms. As such, I won't be drawn on answer to the first part of your question. You keep prattling on about colonisation projects etc, but this does not reflect the reality of the situation in Ireland. When protestants and catholics in Nothern Ireland want to remain as part of the UK, they are not enacting the next stage of some colonisation project which you often refer to. People want NI to remain within the UK for a variety of reasons, so yes, a 'moral person can propose its continuation', if by this you mean wanting to maintain the union with Britain.
It's not complicated. The plantation was stupid. The establishment of NI was immoral. The injustices were immoral.
the assumptions that NI was built on collapsed in the 1960s.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
As for your questions about the colonisation of Ireland, you are attempting looking at a complex matter in very simplistic terms. As such, I won't be drawn on answer to the first part of your question.
What is complex about simply stating that invading neighbouring countries with a view to colonising them is simply wrong? Do the Commandments not talk about not killing and stealing? There is nothing complex about this in moral terms.
Your reply is pretty predictable though, the usual obfuscation. As you have failed reflect on the sordid history of the PUL enterprise, exactly as I said would happen, please apologise for calling me one of the most sectarian and bigoted individuals that you have ever encountered.
Don't think I am going to waste any more of my time engaging with you. As for an apology, that will not be happening as I stand by my original statement. As I said previously, your clear dislike and enmity towards anything to do with the protestant / unionist community comes across in many of your posts.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/jun/04/euro-2016-warm-ups-slovakia-v-northern-ireland-france-v-scotland-and-more
Oh no! This is not good for Northern Ireland. After losing Cathcart in the first half, Kyle Lafferty – who dreamt of scoring against Messi and Ronaldo in the Euros – has now gone down injured in the centre circle. He makes way for Washington
Going into finals on the back of a 12 match unbeaten run,the best record of the 24 finalists.
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
Don't think I am going to waste any more of my time engaging with you.
You haven't really engaged with me, other than calling me names.
QuoteAs for an apology, that will not be happening as I stand by my original statement.
No surrender. Not an inch!!
QuoteAs I said previously, your clear dislike and enmity towards anything to do with the protestant / unionist community comes across in many of your posts.
I have a clear dislike of unionist politics, as any reasonable person would.
I have said nothing against Protestants whatsoever.
And as for the unionist community, I think it a tragedy that their possible enormous positive contribution is prevented by their attachment to the past and its colonial sectarian values and the consequently endless negativity that results from that.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
Don't think I am going to waste any more of my time engaging with you.
You haven't really engaged with me, other than calling me names.
QuoteAs for an apology, that will not be happening as I stand by my original statement.
No surrender. Not an inch!!
QuoteAs I said previously, your clear dislike and enmity towards anything to do with the protestant / unionist community comes across in many of your posts.
I have a clear dislike of unionist politics, as any reasonable person would.
I have said nothing against Protestants whatsoever.
And as for the unionist community, I think it a tragedy that their possible enormous positive contribution is prevented by their attachment to the past and its colonial sectarian values and the consequently endless negativity that results from that.
Me too. Such a waste of Protestant potential and energy .
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
Don't think I am going to waste any more of my time engaging with you.
You haven't really engaged with me, other than calling me names.
QuoteAs for an apology, that will not be happening as I stand by my original statement.
No surrender. Not an inch!!
QuoteAs I said previously, your clear dislike and enmity towards anything to do with the protestant / unionist community comes across in many of your posts.
I have a clear dislike of unionist politics, as any reasonable person would.
I have said nothing against Protestants whatsoever.
And as for the unionist community, I think it a tragedy that their possible enormous positive contribution is prevented by their attachment to the past and its colonial sectarian values and the consequently endless negativity that results from that.
Everyone has an attachment to the past, a lot of it negative ....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Everyone has an attachment to the past, a lot of it negative ....
Respect for tradition is admirable, but some traditions are best left in the past.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Everyone has an attachment to the past, a lot of it negative ....
Respect for tradition is admirable, but some traditions are best left in the past.
And that is fair enough..... We will get to where it will be by voting for it, thinking you are right all the time and everyone else's views are wrong only makes you sound silly.....
It is what it is, not by your actions but by the actions of people back in the day.... Partition caused division, rightly or wrongly , to be fair I've a lot of resentment to how the Irish and British government at the time left the state as it is.... If looking to blame why we have what have its not the everyday unionists they took advantage of the situation.....as probably you had you been born in a different street as these things are an accident of birth
The working classes,both Protestant and catholic are and always have been the true majority and disadvantaged in the North,not the middle classes.Just the same as it was and is in the South.When people see through the bullshit and realise this we might make progress.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
And that is fair enough..... We will get to where it will be by voting for it, thinking you are right all the time and everyone else's views are wrong only makes you sound silly.....
If I did not think I was right, I wouldn't propagate those views. If others wish to claim I am wrong then they need to say why they disagree with me, rather than calling me names.
Quote
It is what it is, not by your actions but by the actions of people back in the day.... Partition caused division, rightly or wrongly , to be fair I've a lot of resentment to how the Irish and British government at the time left the state as it is.... If looking to blame why we have what have its not the everyday unionists they took advantage of the situation.....as probably you had you been born in a different street as these things are an accident of birth
To the extent that I was born in North Belfast I might not have had to go far to have a different view. But given that I am who I am, this lazy analysis free "the two sides are the same" "everyone is entitled to their view" etc gets on my wick.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2016, 11:47:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
And that is fair enough..... We will get to where it will be by voting for it, thinking you are right all the time and everyone else's views are wrong only makes you sound silly.....
If I did not think I was right, I wouldn't propagate those views. If others wish to claim I am wrong then they need to say why they disagree with me, rather than calling me names.
Quote
It is what it is, not by your actions but by the actions of people back in the day.... Partition caused division, rightly or wrongly , to be fair I've a lot of resentment to how the Irish and British government at the time left the state as it is.... If looking to blame why we have what have its not the everyday unionists they took advantage of the situation.....as probably you had you been born in a different street as these things are an accident of birth
To the extent that I was born in North Belfast I might not have had to go far to have a different view. But given that I am who I am, this lazy analysis free "the two sides are the same" "everyone is entitled to their view" etc gets on my wick.
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So they aren't entitled to a view? You have friends and family that don't agree with you over things?? Do you tell them "you get on my wick?"
Do you believe your views would be different had you been born on the Shankill? The lazy I'm am who I am doesn't really cut it for me.... But it suits you.... Lot of anger in you
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
So they aren't entitled to a view? You have friends and family that don't agree with you over things?? Do you tell them "you get on my wick?"
There are many matters that are merely a matter of opinion and there is no principle involved.
QuoteThe lazy I'm am who I am doesn't really cut it for me.... But it suits you.... Lot of anger in you
What is lazy about me? I'm here typing in all this.
I happen to believe that invading other countries and colonising them is wrong. Others seem to object to my views, but they never seem able to justify why invading other countries and colonising them should be considered to be right. So instead of debate all I get is is "you are very angry", or "you are a sectarian and bigoted individual" and "no different to the TUV", when I am none of those things, but name calling is easier than refuting my points.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2016, 02:56:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
So they aren't entitled to a view? You have friends and family that don't agree with you over things?? Do you tell them "you get on my wick?"
There are many matters that are merely a matter of opinion and there is no principle involved.
QuoteThe lazy I'm am who I am doesn't really cut it for me.... But it suits you.... Lot of anger in you
What is lazy about me? I'm here typing in all this.
I happen to believe that invading other countries and colonising them is wrong. Others seem to object to my views, but they never seem able to justify why invading other countries and colonising them should be considered to be right. So instead of debate all I get is is "you are very angry", or "you are a sectarian and bigoted individual" and "no different to the TUV", when I am none of those things, but name calling is easier than refuting my points.
Murdering people is wrong?? Blowing people to bits is wrong? Shooting people in front of their kids is wrong?? The invading happened or even lets say certain people actually invited the English at the time was wrong, I doubt anyone would deny that, there is not too many European countries that didn't colonised a country or six, or try and wipe out its people (American and Australia for starters)
Your solution is for people to accept a united Ireland? You cant change the past, nor can you change peoples views on it, the TUV quote from me is about your stubborn stance which wont yield
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
The invading happened or even lets say certain people actually invited the English at the time was wrong, I doubt anyone would deny that,
michaelg refused to condemn this several posts back.
Quotethere is not too many European countries that didn't colonised a country or six, or try and wipe out its people (American and Australia for starters)
The difference is that most other European countries, other than Russia, have stopped doing this.
QuoteYour solution is for people to accept a united Ireland? You cant change the past, nor can you change peoples views on it, the TUV quote from me is about your stubborn stance which wont yield
My solution is for people to stop trying to pursue colonial objectives and take it from there.
Your reference to the TUV is offensive, it is a the old trick of implying symmetry in the situation. Those who cause the problem and those who oppose them are not comparable.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
The invading happened or even lets say certain people actually invited the English at the time was wrong, I doubt anyone would deny that,
michaelg refused to condemn this several posts back.
Quotethere is not too many European countries that didn't colonised a country or six, or try and wipe out its people (American and Australia for starters)
The difference is that most other European countries, other than Russia, have stopped doing this.
QuoteYour solution is for people to accept a united Ireland? You cant change the past, nor can you change peoples views on it, the TUV quote from me is about your stubborn stance which wont yield
My solution is for people to stop trying to pursue colonial objectives and take it from there.
Your reference to the TUV is offensive, it is a the old trick of implying symmetry in the situation. Those who cause the problem and those who oppose them are not comparable.
But surely that depends on your point of view... By whatever reason TUV think they are right and you think you're right.....
And this is n.i
As for countries not doing it, there is a host of countries still being 'ruled' by European countries
Interesting to see Neil Lennon representing Norn Irn on 'Pointless' yesterday, considering how his international career ended.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
But surely that depends on your point of view... By whatever reason TUV think they are right and you think you're right.....
If you believe that there is no right and wrong and there is only a point of view, then there is no point in discussing with you as you lack any moral compass.
On topic.
I reckon there is more taigs than you think on the NI team as a number of those English born boys are as likely to be Catholic as Protestant although same could be said for the English born Republic lads a fair few are going to be Protestant which of course blows the OWC fans accusations of football apartheid by the FAI to smithereens.
Off topic
Picking up on an earlier point Alan Kernaghan was picked by big Jack using the granny rule. He wasnt picked by the IFA team because shock horror he wasnt born in Norn Iron despite living here through most of his youth!!! Fast forward 20 years and Northern Ireland will pick anyone they can including German born keepers with no links to the North at all lol and the poaching argument has also been torpedoed when they selected ex republic youth player Johnny Gorman.
I personally dont mind if Northern Ireland do well I supported them myself in the mid-late eighties until I was old enough to realise how septic Windsor was. The players and manager and vast majority of the fans now are great but there is still significant fan base that is rotten.
The IFA have made great progress but it counts for nothing if they dont address flags, anthem and stadium. As noted earlier the stadium opportunity has now already passed oh nevermind. The anthem dilemma has also largely been ducked as the ifa's own internal report found no need to change it despite ex players like Paul McVeigh going public about how uncomfortable they felt.
Some nationalists will never support northern Ireland no matter what and that is true but many more may be interested if the actual big issues were addressed. The lazy attitude that sure nothing is really wrong is unacceptable. The arguments against change are as hollow as all the other non-existent chip chippity chip against ARE FLEGGER KULTUR shite, genocide so it is.
I have no problem with the use of flags and anthems in appropriate fashion here,and not in any way triumphalistic.At the end of the day NI is part of the U.K., and SF and SDLP agree this cannot change unless there is majority consent,so the playing of the anthem is technically appropriate given the constitutional position.Having said that it is embarrassing that the same anthem as the England team uses is played,and a greater effort should be made to follow the example of the Scots and Welsh and have a region specific anthem.By the same token the playing of the national anthem may be alienating Protestants from GAA.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
I have no problem with the use of flags and anthems in appropriate fashion here,and not in any way triumphalistic.At the end of the day NI is part of the U.K., and SF and SDLP agree this cannot change unless there is majority consent,so the playing of the anthem is technically appropriate given the constitutional position.Having said that it is embarrassing that the same anthem as the England team uses is played,and a greater effort should be made to follow the example of the Scots and Welsh and have a region specific anthem.By the same token the playing of the national anthem may be alienating Protestants from GAA.
Agree with that last point. I think it's better to abandon the anthem if it's going to be butchered like today in Clones. I was always an advocate of flag/anthem at GAA matches, but now I think they are no longer needed, and that's not because it might annoy a few unionists. I just don't see the need for them.
Watched Jake O'Kane and Colin Murphy show other nifht, and they visited Windsor Park for a match. Funny thing happened, I wonder if deliberately, they ended up in wrong stand, had to go find proper seats and ended up missing start of match and anthems. Being two Catholics I assume maybe they deliberately missed the anthem. I mean, stewards wouldnt even allow you into The Hogan if you had a Cusack ticket so I don't understand how that could happen.
Anyway, back to OP - removal of flag/anthem at NI matches is irrelevant as most Catholics aren't interested in supporting them. Same with Protestants and The GAA.
I think you should be able to go and watch sport in a comfortable non threatening setting,even when you don't support the team.Have to say a song with musical accompaniment and a few coloured rags no longer annoy or offend me in the slightest, in any setting.More important things in life
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
I think you should be able to go and watch sport in a comfortable non threatening setting,even when you don't support the team.Have to say a song with musical accompaniment and a few coloured rags no longer annoy or offend me in the slightest, in any setting.More important things in life
Sectarian flags and anthems, no problem, but a fellow going to America seems to offend you greatly.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2016, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
I have no problem with the use of flags and anthems in appropriate fashion here,and not in any way triumphalistic.At the end of the day NI is part of the U.K., and SF and SDLP agree this cannot change unless there is majority consent,so the playing of the anthem is technically appropriate given the constitutional position.Having said that it is embarrassing that the same anthem as the England team uses is played,and a greater effort should be made to follow the example of the Scots and Welsh and have a region specific anthem.By the same token the playing of the national anthem may be alienating Protestants from GAA.
Agree with that last point. I think it's better to abandon the anthem if it's going to be butchered like today in Clones. I was always an advocate of flag/anthem at GAA matches, but now I think they are no longer needed, and that's not because it might annoy a few unionists. I just don't see the need for them.
Watched Jake O'Kane and Colin Murphy show other nifht, and they visited Windsor Park for a match. Funny thing happened, I wonder if deliberately, they ended up in wrong stand, had to go find proper seats and ended up missing start of match and anthems. Being two Catholics I assume maybe they deliberately missed the anthem. I mean, stewards wouldnt even allow you into The Hogan if you had a Cusack ticket so I don't understand how that could happen.
Anyway, back to OP - removal of flag/anthem at NI matches is irrelevant as most Catholics aren't interested in supporting them. Same with Protestants and The GAA.
At discos in the 80s I remember they'd play Amhrá n na bhFiann to wrap things up and I always thought it was nuts.
I don't mind it at matches. It gets the crowd going.
The South has very few flags compared to OWC. Driving around NI from Dundalk say the first butchers aprons are very striking. They always strike me as part of a very dysfunctional conversation. A zero sum game.
That is because sections of both communities are so insecure here (on both sides here) that they have to paint kerbstones,and adorn every lamppost with flags.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 06, 2016, 06:13:06 AM
That is because sections of both communities are so insecure here (on both sides here) that they have to paint kerbstones,and adorn every lamppost with flags.
surely it's because there is no shared identity. 2 tribes
the murals are the same.
there was one I saw in Belfast, a snippet from a very very old poem in Irish. The Unionists have nothing to match that since they have only been around 400 years
Unionists gave us the likes of CS Lewis,Louis Mc Neice and half of US Presidents.
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 06, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
Unionists gave us the likes of CS Lewis,Louis Mc Neice and half of US Presidents.
also the rednecks
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2016, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
I have no problem with the use of flags and anthems in appropriate fashion here,and not in any way triumphalistic.At the end of the day NI is part of the U.K., and SF and SDLP agree this cannot change unless there is majority consent,so the playing of the anthem is technically appropriate given the constitutional position.Having said that it is embarrassing that the same anthem as the England team uses is played,and a greater effort should be made to follow the example of the Scots and Welsh and have a region specific anthem.By the same token the playing of the national anthem may be alienating Protestants from GAA.
Agree with that last point. I think it's better to abandon the anthem if it's going to be butchered like today in Clones. I was always an advocate of flag/anthem at GAA matches, but now I think they are no longer needed, and that's not because it might annoy a few unionists. I just don't see the need for them.
Watched Jake O'Kane and Colin Murphy show other nifht, and they visited Windsor Park for a match. Funny thing happened, I wonder if deliberately, they ended up in wrong stand, had to go find proper seats and ended up missing start of match and anthems. Being two Catholics I assume maybe they deliberately missed the anthem. I mean, stewards wouldnt even allow you into The Hogan if you had a Cusack ticket so I don't understand how that could happen.
Anyway, back to OP - removal of flag/anthem at NI matches is irrelevant as most Catholics aren't interested in supporting them. Same with Protestants and The GAA.
At discos in the 80s I remember they'd play Amhrá n na bhFiann to wrap things up and I always thought it was nuts.
I don't mind it at matches. It gets the crowd going.
The South has very few flags compared to OWC. Driving around NI from Dundalk say the first butchers aprons are very striking. They always strike me as part of a very dysfunctional conversation. A zero sum game.
no sure if it still happens, but this was a regular occurrence in Monaghan nightclubs in the late 90s/early 00's
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 06, 2016, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2016, 04:24:26 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2016, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
I have no problem with the use of flags and anthems in appropriate fashion here,and not in any way triumphalistic.At the end of the day NI is part of the U.K., and SF and SDLP agree this cannot change unless there is majority consent,so the playing of the anthem is technically appropriate given the constitutional position.Having said that it is embarrassing that the same anthem as the England team uses is played,and a greater effort should be made to follow the example of the Scots and Welsh and have a region specific anthem.By the same token the playing of the national anthem may be alienating Protestants from GAA.
Agree with that last point. I think it's better to abandon the anthem if it's going to be butchered like today in Clones. I was always an advocate of flag/anthem at GAA matches, but now I think they are no longer needed, and that's not because it might annoy a few unionists. I just don't see the need for them.
Watched Jake O'Kane and Colin Murphy show other nifht, and they visited Windsor Park for a match. Funny thing happened, I wonder if deliberately, they ended up in wrong stand, had to go find proper seats and ended up missing start of match and anthems. Being two Catholics I assume maybe they deliberately missed the anthem. I mean, stewards wouldnt even allow you into The Hogan if you had a Cusack ticket so I don't understand how that could happen.
Anyway, back to OP - removal of flag/anthem at NI matches is irrelevant as most Catholics aren't interested in supporting them. Same with Protestants and The GAA.
At discos in the 80s I remember they'd play Amhrá n na bhFiann to wrap things up and I always thought it was nuts.
I don't mind it at matches. It gets the crowd going.
The South has very few flags compared to OWC. Driving around NI from Dundalk say the first butchers aprons are very striking. They always strike me as part of a very dysfunctional conversation. A zero sum game.
no sure if it still happens, but this was a regular occurrence in Monaghan nightclubs in the late 90s/early 00's
It went from black betty to Amhrán na bhFiann via the slow set . Something for everyone
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Could apply that logic to people who are civil servants... Working for a non existing country ;)
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
While this may be welcome, they are promoting sporting division, which few sporting bodies in Ireland do, and this bringing of politics into sport is unwelcome.
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Tokenism
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Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
While this may be welcome, they are promoting sporting division, which few sporting bodies in Ireland do, and this bringing of politics into sport is unwelcome.
Sure they're just prepping them before they swith over to the A Team ;)
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Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
While this may be welcome, they are promoting sporting division, which few sporting bodies in Ireland do, and this bringing of politics into sport is unwelcome.
Sure they're just prepping them before they swith over to the A Team ;)
"I love it when a plan comes together"
The 26 county soccerball team and the 6 county soccerball team are both partitionist teams.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
While this may be welcome, they are promoting sporting division, which few sporting bodies in Ireland do, and this bringing of politics into sport is unwelcome.
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
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Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
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Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Imagine this thread appeared on the OWC board. It would be vilified as sectarian and rightly so. Brings the GAA board into disrepute and should be deleted.
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Well at least you realise that, even if you lack the moral framework to see anything wrong with it.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Well at least you realise that, even if you lack the moral framework to see anything wrong with it.
Is this your new catchphrase now? It's getting pretty tired already tbh.
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Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Well at least you realise that, even if you lack the moral framework to see anything wrong with it.
Is this your new catchphrase now? It's getting pretty tired already tbh.
I appreciate that the idea of right and wrong is rather alien to the likes of yourself.
What did you think of the Down / Monaghan game?
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Well at least you realise that, even if you lack the moral framework to see anything wrong with it.
Is this your new catchphrase now? It's getting pretty tired already tbh.
I appreciate that the idea of right and wrong is rather alien to the likes of yourself.
What did you think of the Down / Monaghan game?
Another fairly typical, offensive comment. This thread is to do with the NI football team, so not sure about the relevance of your question. If I was going to comment on the Down / Monagham game, I would do so in the appropriate section on this website. You know, in the GAA Discussion section.
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Yes, by bringing young catholics and protestants together to play football.
Why should young catholics and protestants in Belcoo be under different arrangements than those in Blacklion?
It's to do with the 'colonisation project', old boy.
Well at least you realise that, even if you lack the moral framework to see anything wrong with it.
Is this your new catchphrase now? It's getting pretty tired already tbh.
I appreciate that the idea of right and wrong is rather alien to the likes of yourself.
What did you think of the Down / Monaghan game?
Another fairly typical, offensive comment.
No way!! He's always right
Down were shite, Monaghan wont know how good they are until next game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2016, 09:48:19 PM
No way!! He's always right
We'll have to disagree on that one.
Quote]Down were shite, Monaghan wont know how good they are until next game
But can agree on this!
http://redmp3.su/18995208/james-young-i-m-the-only-catholic-in-the-linfield-team.html (http://redmp3.su/18995208/james-young-i-m-the-only-catholic-in-the-linfield-team.html)
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Granted they do that but he was talking about the attitudes to catholic/nationalists from individuals within the wider IFA/soccer scene.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 03, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
The fallacy up here is that unionists are deluded Irish people.They're not,they're emotionally and in every other way British,the same way as nationalists are emotionally and in every other way "Irish".When both communities open their eyes and see that neither British or Irish govts or people see them as their own kin then both will come together under a new N Irish identity bereft of superfluous divisive British Unionism or Irish nationalism.
You scupper your "NI" identity with the first part of this statement.
Kyle Lafferty injured in training this morning.Might open the door for a catholic player.
Quote from: under the bar on June 06, 2016, 09:07:57 PM
Imagine this thread appeared on the OWC board. It would be vilified as sectarian and rightly so. Brings the GAA board into disrepute and should be deleted.
agreed, this thread is as cringe worthy as the Jamie Clarke thread, fairly embarrassing stuff.
I have Kyle and Steven Davis in my fantasy football team.But the rules oblige entrants to include three NI players
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 07, 2016, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Granted they do that but he was talking about the attitudes to catholic/nationalists from individuals within the wider IFA/soccer scene.
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 07, 2016, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Granted they do that but he was talking about the attitudes to catholic/nationalists from individuals within the wider IFA/soccer scene.
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
Even more reason to make the changes needed but the blazers dont want to upset the hardcore of crazies
This article in the newsletter kind of sums up the logic.
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG (under our terms and conditions)
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/call-for-ulster-banner-to-be-hoisted-above-stormont-1-7419596
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 08, 2016, 07:14:13 AM
This article in the newsletter kind of sums up the logic.
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG (under our terms and conditions)
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/call-for-ulster-banner-to-be-hoisted-above-stormont-1-7419596
There must be something in the water in Poyntzpass.
Agreed! Second year of a degree course aged 43!
It's not a geography course then ;D
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 08, 2016, 07:14:13 AM
This article in the newsletter kind of sums up the logic.
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG (under our terms and conditions)
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/call-for-ulster-banner-to-be-hoisted-above-stormont-1-7419596
Once I seen 'Christian' I stopped reading.
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 07, 2016, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 06, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on May 27, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Guys I'm hazarding a guess here but I doubt everyone playing of the Republic of Ireland isn't catholic as its not like when you leave the north you are just surrounded by Catholics...
Me I'll be supporting ROI cause I grew up supporting them and that sure as hell isn't going change now, I have seen progress from NI in terms to the anti catholic thing but plenty more needs to be made.
In saying that I'll also want NI to win their matches, its only England I'm desperate to see lose.
I was speaking recently to a rep from a nationalist/catholic soccer team who told me that whilst on the face of it the IFA are promoting an end to sectarianism, in reality a lot of attitudes on the ground still haven't changed. I personally have no affinity with NI teams in any sport and can't comprehend why any nationalist would play for them but to each his own. If people want to play and support these teams who am I to tell them not to. In any case it gives me two teams to want to see bate in the Euros.
Aye, who do they think they are, coming into nationalist areas, running summer schemes and coaching courses for young people, helping to keep them busy, out of trouble etc.
Granted they do that but he was talking about the attitudes to catholic/nationalists from individuals within the wider IFA/soccer scene.
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
I only reiterated a comment made to me by someone working within IFA structures, I personally have little or no interest in soccer at this level and as I have expressed before choose not to support teams organised on a partionist basis as is my right.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
People have the right to work and play for who they like and that should be a matter of personal choice. I noticed in the article above the "Ulster Banner" painted all over the team bus, hardly an inclusive symbol. I suspect that some players suck it up for the sake of their career an I don't think anyone should fault them. Government Departments here are no longer replete with union flags and Queen's portraits as they would have been 20 or 30 years ago and if the IFA were serious about inclusivity they would drop the flag and anthem, but for me it matters little as I have no affinity for this contrived "state/country" or what ever other misnomer you want to put on it. I don't think it makes you any less of a nationalist to play for them as I said personal choice. I think Niall Maginn has said in the past he supports the republic, a bit like a Rangers fan playing for Celtic I suppose.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2016, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
People have the right to work and play for who they like and that should be a matter of personal choice. I noticed in the article above the "Ulster Banner" painted all over the team bus, hardly an inclusive symbol. I suspect that some players suck it up for the sake of their career an I don't think anyone should fault them. Government Departments here are no longer replete with union flags and Queen's portraits as they would have been 20 or 30 years ago and if the IFA were serious about inclusivity they would drop the flag and anthem, but for me it matters little as I have no affinity for this contrived "state/country" or what ever other misnomer you want to put on it. I don't think it makes you any less of a nationalist to play for them as I said personal choice. I think Niall Maginn has said in the past he supports the republic, a bit like a Rangers fan playing for Celtic I suppose.
I agree to a lot of that, but the point was made to armaghnaic, (unless he's two names here) on the face of his argument accepting to play for a partitionist state means your not a nationalist.... The same logic would apply to the vast majority of state run jobs in this country and by doing so they are no different to the taigs that play for n.i
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
People have the right to work and play for who they like and that should be a matter of personal choice. I noticed in the article above the "Ulster Banner" painted all over the team bus, hardly an inclusive symbol. I suspect that some players suck it up for the sake of their career an I don't think anyone should fault them. Government Departments here are no longer replete with union flags and Queen's portraits as they would have been 20 or 30 years ago and if the IFA were serious about inclusivity they would drop the flag and anthem, but for me it matters little as I have no affinity for this contrived "state/country" or what ever other misnomer you want to put on it. I don't think it makes you any less of a nationalist to play for them as I said personal choice. I think Niall Maginn has said in the past he supports the republic, a bit like a Rangers fan playing for Celtic I suppose.
I agree to a lot of that, but the point was made to armaghnaic, (unless he's two names here) on the face of his argument accepting to play for a partitionist state means your not a nationalist.... The same logic would apply to the vast majority of state run jobs in this country and by doing so they are no different to the taigs that play for n.i
As I have stated that is not the case imo.
Some people at my work (in the occupied six) requested that on Friday they are allowed to wear a soccer jersey of any team playing in the Euro finals.
How naive is that?
In a statelet that is so dependent on state jobs, I believe you cannot say that someone is not a nationalist simply because they work for a state run body and depend on that body for their livelihood.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
That's like the old loyalist retort "why do you take the Queens shilling" ::)
Quote from: general_lee on June 08, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
That's like the old loyalist retort "why do you take the Queens shilling" ::)
In what way? plenty people work in the private sector so it doesn't include them.... working for a government run job and getting paid to play football for N.I is surely recognising the same state? (that doesn't actually exist)
I'm messing to a certain extent but my point stands..... any nationalist MLA/civil servant that is getting paid recognises that n.i is a country and accepts this colonising that armahnaic has harped on about.. and to that same logic is not a nationalist
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 08, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
That's like the old loyalist retort "why do you take the Queens shilling" ::)
In what way? plenty people work in the private sector so it doesn't include them.... working for a government run job and getting paid to play football for N.I is surely recognising the same state? (that doesn't actually exist)
I'm messing to a certain extent but my point stands..... any nationalist MLA/civil servant that is getting paid recognises that n.i is a country and accepts this colonising that armahnaic has harped on about.. and to that same logic is not a nationalist
I don't accept that, you can take a public sector job, whilst not giving your allegiance to the NI state and that doesn't make you any less nationalist. like wise you can accept that you aren't going to make the ROI team and play for NI and still hold nationalist views. They aren't mutually exclusive. I accept that the 6 counties/NI are currently under British jurisdiction, I don't like it but it is fact, that doesn't mean to say that I have to recognise it as a country which it patently isn't. It is a region of the UK and part of Ireland under British rule.
I'm supporting Northern Ireland in the Euros. I consider myself a dedicated GAA member and would aim towards a republic in political arguments. Are those positions mutually exclusive?
NI is currently rented.
Quote from: Ronnie on June 08, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Dear Agony Aunt
I'm supporting Northern Ireland in the Euros. I consider myself a dedicated GAA member and would aim towards a republic in political arguments. Are those positions mutually exclusive?
Yours etc.
Con Fused
Come on Northern Ireland :)
Quote from: amanda on June 08, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
Come on Northern Ireland :)
yes, get the decorations out.
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Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 08, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
That's like the old loyalist retort "why do you take the Queens shilling" ::)
In what way? plenty people work in the private sector so it doesn't include them.... working for a government run job and getting paid to play football for N.I is surely recognising the same state? (that doesn't actually exist)
I'm messing to a certain extent but my point stands..... any nationalist MLA/civil servant that is getting paid recognises that n.i is a country and accepts this colonising that armahnaic has harped on about.. and to that same logic is not a nationalist
I don't accept that, you can take a public sector job, whilst not giving your allegiance to the NI state and that doesn't make you any less nationalist. like wise you can accept that you aren't going to make the ROI team and play for NI and still hold nationalist views. They aren't mutually exclusive. I accept that the 6 counties/NI are currently under British jurisdiction, I don't like it but it is fact, that doesn't mean to say that I have to recognise it as a country which it patently isn't. It is a region of the UK and part of Ireland under British rule.
But thousands do work for a government accept it move on and don't feel they are contributing to partition or agreeing to colonizing, in fact they love it, plenty holidays (state holidays) and all the sick Holidays they must use....
As for not getting on ROI team, with their current rankings compared to n.i rankings, as a career choice it would be suicidal to play for the ROI team? You don't need to fight armaghnaics battles ffs.... He's a clever boy, he can do that on his own
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: amanda on June 08, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
Come on Northern Ireland :)
yes, get the decorations out.
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Yes, let's.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2016, 12:01:57 AM
But thousands do work for a government accept it move on and don't feel they are contributing to partition or agreeing to colonizing, in fact they love it, plenty holidays (state holidays) and all the sick Holidays they must use....
Working for government, especially in the context of agreed instutions is not comparable.
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation. A responsible person would choose not to endorse that.
QuoteAs for not getting on ROI team, with their current rankings compared to n.i rankings, as a career choice it would be suicidal to play for the ROI team? You don't need to fight armaghnaics battles ffs.... He's a clever boy, he can do that on his own
I'm a friendly chap and and don't wish to partition myself from other people, so Applesisapples is very welcome.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 12:33:39 AM
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation.
How does it use sectarianism as the basis for its organisation?
Quote from: dec on June 09, 2016, 01:57:43 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 12:33:39 AM
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation.
How does it use sectarianism as the basis for its organisation?
I'm not sure that he knows what the word means.
The IFA had a habit of lets say being a little biased when it came to its organisation. The FAI was set up as a direct response to this bias be it picking players for the national team to selecting where replays should be played. Some say these decisions were a a secuirty measure others say it was open sectarianism - take your pick. A stronger fairer IFA may have seen the likes of Derry City and Belfast Celtic still playing today in the Irish league.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2016, 12:01:57 AM
But thousands do work for a government accept it move on and don't feel they are contributing to partition or agreeing to colonizing, in fact they love it, plenty holidays (state holidays) and all the sick Holidays they must use....
Working for government, especially in the context of agreed instutions is not comparable.
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation. A responsible person would choose not to endorse that.
QuoteAs for not getting on ROI team, with their current rankings compared to n.i rankings, as a career choice it would be suicidal to play for the ROI team? You don't need to fight armaghnaics battles ffs.... He's a clever boy, he can do that on his own
I'm a friendly chap and and don't wish to partition myself from other people, so Applesisapples is very welcome.
So police, army, all their support staff, ministers, their aids and a Stormont officials that's ok to work for even pre GFA? as there were thousands working in those positions before that.....but you just cherry pick when it suits your point of view....
The one thing that is sectarianism or was more so was using Windsor park, being located where it is and the team that uses the pitch....I lived less than half a mile from the ground, I think I was in it about 3 or 4 times over the years, watched Utd play there, watched a George Best charity match and couple of other games, while very young at the time I sure my dad was a bit nervous about taking us there during the height of the troubles ....
like most people with hard core views it will (if at all) take years to see things differently.... like most clubs its a section of fans that can ruin it for everyone... it doesn't mean that the people running it are bigots, would make sense for the association to have as many people going to the games as possible, as it would for the Gaa to have both traditions playing gaa games
Quote from: dec on June 09, 2016, 01:57:43 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 12:33:39 AM
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation.
How does it use sectarianism as the basis for its organisation?
It promotes Northern Ireland, a sectarian entity, in sport. Most other sporting bodies do not do this, they keep politics out of it.
The team is called N Ireland a part of the UK,whose constitutional status was endorsed in referendum as exhorted by SF and SDLP in the North,and by o ver 90% of those who voted in the South.In otherwords nationalists North and South agree NI should exist and be governed by the Uk
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2016, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 08, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2016, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: michaelg on June 08, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Try again. Read recently that over 50% of IFA employees are now from a catholic / nationalist background.
But not actual nationalists, I suspect.
Is that the same for Catholics that work fir the government here?? Not actually nationalists as why would they work for the British government and still be nationalist?? As far as I see playing for n.i and getting paid and working for n.i is the same surely?
That's like the old loyalist retort "why do you take the Queens shilling" ::)
In what way? plenty people work in the private sector so it doesn't include them.... working for a government run job and getting paid to play football for N.I is surely recognising the same state? (that doesn't actually exist)
I'm messing to a certain extent but my point stands..... any nationalist MLA/civil servant that is getting paid recognises that n.i is a country and accepts this colonising that armahnaic has harped on about.. and to that same logic is not a nationalist
I don't accept that, you can take a public sector job, whilst not giving your allegiance to the NI state and that doesn't make you any less nationalist. like wise you can accept that you aren't going to make the ROI team and play for NI and still hold nationalist views. They aren't mutually exclusive. I accept that the 6 counties/NI are currently under British jurisdiction, I don't like it but it is fact, that doesn't mean to say that I have to recognise it as a country which it patently isn't. It is a region of the UK and part of Ireland under British rule.
But thousands do work for a government accept it move on and don't feel they are contributing to partition or agreeing to colonizing, in fact they love it, plenty holidays (state holidays) and all the sick Holidays they must use....
As for not getting on ROI team, with their current rankings compared to n.i rankings, as a career choice it would be suicidal to play for the ROI team? You don't need to fight armaghnaics battles ffs.... He's a clever boy, he can do that on his own
You misunderstand, I'm actually agreeing with you.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 09, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
The team is called N Ireland a part of the UK,whose constitutional status was endorsed in referendum as exhorted by SF and SDLP in the North,and by o ver 90% of those who voted in the South.In otherwords nationalists North and South agree NI should exist and be governed by the Uk
.... until such time as a majority in both jurisdictions decide they want a united Ireland.
That's a pretty important clause wouldn't you say?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 09, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
The team is called N Ireland a part of the UK,whose constitutional status was endorsed in referendum as exhorted by SF and SDLP in the North,and by o ver 90% of those who voted in the South.In otherwords nationalists North and South agree NI should exist and be governed by the Uk
I'm not posting about the government, I'm posting about a sporting organisation. This does not have to be organised the way it is any more than rugby, cricket, hockey etc. are.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: dec on June 09, 2016, 01:57:43 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2016, 12:33:39 AM
The IFA is almost unique among sporting organisations in using sectarianism as the basis for its organisation.
How does it use sectarianism as the basis for its organisation?
It promotes Northern Ireland, a sectarian entity, in sport. Most other sporting bodies do not do this, they keep politics out of it.
Did the FAI not split away from the IFA who were representing all Ireland and who only stopped stopped selecting southern players after the FAI complained to FIFA?
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 09, 2016, 08:28:40 AM
The IFA had a habit of lets say being a little biased when it came to its organisation. The FAI was set up as a direct response to this bias be it picking players for the national team to selecting where replays should be played. Some say these decisions were a a secuirty measure others say it was open sectarianism - take your pick. A stronger fairer IFA may have seen the likes of Derry City and Belfast Celtic still playing today in the Irish league.
You mean they made Shelbourne replay against Glentoran in Belfast because of the ongoing war of Independence happening in and around Dublin?
Politics aside, in Belfast there are now NI soccer flags flying proudly beside union jacks, uvf and uda flags. That is one of the main reasons why there is not a snowball's chance in hell that I would even cross the street to watch the six counties play.
Like it or not Irish Nationalists voted en masse for the GFA.That confirmed that N Ireland exists just like Scotland and England.Did people not understand what they were voting for? This means the Union Jack etc is the flag of NI and nationalists endorsed this at the ballot box and were encourahed to do so by SF SDLP and the Dublin govt.
There are fellas from 5/10/15/20 miles down the road from me playing in the euros. Some will represent NI, others ROI.
It's kinda petty not to support some of them because of your political beliefs. At the end of the day it's only a football team. It's like not supporting McIlroy because he wrapped the NI flag round him. Big deal. Supporting the team doesn't mean you support partition. Not in my eyes anyway.
Do we pay paye?Rates? Go to the Doctor? If so we are contributing to the British Exchequer and availing of British funded public services.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/watch-northern-ireland-fans-hiss-at-supporter-wearing-irish-jersey-in-dublin-airport-34787894.html
Best of luck to Poland Germany and the Ukraine. I hope the vile sectarian scum get hammered. All inclusive my hole. How anyone from a nationalist background can manage play or support these scum is beyond me.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/watch-northern-ireland-fans-hiss-at-supporter-wearing-irish-jersey-in-dublin-airport-34787894.html
Best of luck to Poland Germany and the Ukraine. I hope the vile sectarian scum get hammered. All inclusive my hole. How anyone from a nationalist background can manage play or support these scum is beyond me.
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
That is pathetic. If it wasn't Northern Ireland it would just be slagging. It's not like they were going through chanting the Billy Boys. The independent is some shit rag.
I see the English lads were a bit lively last night in Marseille.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/watch-northern-ireland-fans-hiss-at-supporter-wearing-irish-jersey-in-dublin-airport-34787894.html
Best of luck to Poland Germany and the Ukraine. I hope the vile sectarian scum get hammered. All inclusive my hole. How anyone from a nationalist background can manage play or support these scum is beyond me.
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
I'm not offended. I just hate them
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/watch-northern-ireland-fans-hiss-at-supporter-wearing-irish-jersey-in-dublin-airport-34787894.html
Best of luck to Poland Germany and the Ukraine. I hope the vile sectarian scum get hammered. All inclusive my hole. How anyone from a nationalist background can manage play or support these scum is beyond me.
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
I'm not offended. I just hate them
Get a life lad... if you hate them grand, but don't put up a video of banter at the airport and say they are being vile scum... it actually makes you look silly
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2016, 11:16:10 AM
That is pathetic. If it wasn't Northern Ireland it would just be slagging. It's not like they were going through chanting the Billy Boys. The independent is some shit rag.
I see the English lads were a bit lively last night in Marseille.
Friend of mine is there with his wife (bit of a busman's holiday I think) he's a photographer and has taken some great shots of the hooligans, now they are fans that let themselves down no matter where they go....
they were probably hissing at the French and calling them garlic lovers ffs!!
Nice pictures in the telegraph of the lads using baguettes as flutes lol. Unfortunately for the Norn Iron fans the England fans wrecking Marselle had flegs with the red hand and crown on it DOH!
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1258254/england-fans-get-the-euro-2016-party-started-early-as-the-booze-flows-in-marseille/
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
The people in this video did not go to any lengths to be offended, they were simply walking through the airport when they encountered a loyalist mob.
Talking of flegs on the beltels photos some lad has an actual Ulster flag on his balcony!!! He better watch his back lol
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/euro2016/euro-2016-northern-irelands-green-and-white-army-descend-on-france-as-tournament-set-to-begin-34788700.html
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Is that the Clarke's?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
The people in this video did not go to any lengths to be offended, they were simply walking through the airport when they encountered a loyalist mob.
I really do hope you are a WUM
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Some posters may be sick after seeing this photo
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
The people in this video did not go to any lengths to be offended, they were simply walking through the airport when they encountered a loyalist mob.
I really do hope you are a WUM
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Some posters may be sick after seeing this photo
Blatantly photoshopped lol either that or Rory is still trying to make his mind up about the olympics
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Did you watch it?? Christ the night some people are very sensitive.... Banter and they clapped when given back to them...
unreal the lengths people will go to , to get offended
The people in this video did not go to any lengths to be offended, they were simply walking through the airport when they encountered a loyalist mob.
I really do hope you are a WUM
Unlike you, I am not.
There are 5 Roman Papists on that set up I think, McGovern, McGinn, Ferguson, MacAodh and McLaughlin.
There are 4 English players and 1 Canadian.
I am not aware of the Republic set up but they probably have a load of Northern Catholics in their youth sides.
In 10-20 years there will be no Catholics in the NI squad at all I would think, maybe just the ones who never got a Republic call up, if they get rid of that sordid flag then that might change, a native aboriginal red hand being used as a unionist symbol doesn't make sense in the slightest.
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 10, 2016, 05:00:23 PM
There are 5 Roman Papists on that set up I think, McGovern, McGinn, Ferguson, MacAodh and McLaughlin.
There are 4 English players and 1 Canadian.
I am not aware of the Republic set up but they probably have a load of Northern Catholics in their youth sides.
In 10-20 years there will be no Catholics in the NI squad at all I would think, maybe just the ones who never got a Republic call up, if they get rid of that sordid flag then that might change, a native aboriginal red hand being used as a unionist symbol doesn't make sense in the slightest.
Hopefully in 10-20 there will be no NI squad, period
I must say when we qualified I only thought about how good it was to have supported NI through the dark days and that we had finally emerged, rejuvenated on pitch and in the stands. We might not have the stars of other teams or the proven manager, but Michael O'Neill has instilled an amazing team spirit. Despite the defections to the south that many believed had weakened our team, we've only got stronger. Protestants, Catholics, dissenters, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims or Jews - no-one in the stands gives the slightest bit of notice, no-one cares and no-one should. I'm just delighted that we have 11 players taking to the field on Sunday representing my wee country at a major tournament for the first time in 30 years and each one of them wants to be there.
So watch on bitters. Wish us all the ills in the world. Hate us. Call us scum. Call us bigots despite the fact that you know nothing about us. It will change nothing. We will still be there. We will still have a great time and, it's true, we will come home without a trophy, but getting there was the most important thing, anything that comes after will just be a bonus.
As the great Taylor Swift said, "haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate" :D
For what it's worth I hope all those who are travelling from NI or the RoI, good luck, enjoy yourselves and don't come him TOO soon.
While I would rather see one team from this island, I have no problem wishing them both well in the coming weeks.
One of my best mates is a N Ireland supporting Prod from Portadown.The only other N Ireland fan I know well enough is gawa316 who posts on here and he is sound as a pound.
Outside of the Republic Of Ireland I don't really care how any other team does but I hope the two lads I mentioned above get to see their team get a few results they can celebrate.
And in the two posts above there is more that helps to bring a sense of unity than all the bile being spouted by a couple of the usual suspects.
Enjoy the euros lads, I'm off for a few beers to watch the game tonight and then a few more in Nice on Sunday. Just an excuse for a 4 week party 8)
It will undoubtedly mean that most of Derby Co's first team squad,and two of Southampton's journeymen,will be playing in front of the largest crowds they've ever played in front of.
Can't get excited by North or South.To be honest the best atmosphere I enjoyed in recent years at an international match was produced by Scotland fans at Celtic Park,where some intense club rivalries were set aside to produce a passionate atmosphere laced with humour and entirely without malice.
My allegiances these days lie with Italy.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
It will undoubtedly mean that most of Derby Co's first team squad,and two of Southampton's journeymen,will be playing in front of the largest crowds they've ever played in front of.
Can't get excited by North or South.To be honest the best atmosphere I enjoyed in recent years at an international match was produced by Scotland fans at Celtic Park,where some intense club rivalries were set aside to produce a passionate atmosphere laced with humour and entirely without malice.
My allegiances these days lie with Italy.
You and Sean Brady. ;D
Closest you can get to the Vatican having a team I suppose. 😃 apart from our lads I'd love to see Northern Ireland do well. Still have fond memories on Spain 82 and Mexico 86. I also wouldn't mind England going well. For some reason I can't take Wales. At anything. Anyway looking forward to it and COYBIG.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
It will undoubtedly mean that most of Derby Co's first team squad,and two of Southampton's journeymen,will be playing in front of the largest crowds they've ever played in front of.
Can't get excited by North or South.To be honest the best atmosphere I enjoyed in recent years at an international match was produced by Scotland fans at Celtic Park,where some intense club rivalries were set aside to produce a passionate atmosphere laced with humour and entirely without malice.
My allegiances these days lie with Italy.
If the reason is due to the Vatican, it actually is a separate state from Italy. But maybe they'll be involved in the 2018 qualifying for the World Cup ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
It will undoubtedly mean that most of Derby Co's first team squad,and two of Southampton's journeymen,will be playing in front of the largest crowds they've ever played in front of.
Can't get excited by North or South.To be honest the best atmosphere I enjoyed in recent years at an international match was produced by Scotland fans at Celtic Park,where some intense club rivalries were set aside to produce a passionate atmosphere laced with humour and entirely without malice.
My allegiances these days lie with Italy.
If the reason is due to the Vatican, it actually is a separate state from Italy. But maybe they'll be involved in the 2018 qualifying for the World Cup ;)
They'll be Hosts! :D
I see Martin Mc Guinness is going over for the Germany game
Bloody partitionist >:(
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
It will undoubtedly mean that most of Derby Co's first team squad,and two of Southampton's journeymen,will be playing in front of the largest crowds they've ever played in front of.
Can't get excited by North or South.To be honest the best atmosphere I enjoyed in recent years at an international match was produced by Scotland fans at Celtic Park,where some intense club rivalries were set aside to produce a passionate atmosphere laced with humour and entirely without malice.
My allegiances these days lie with Italy.
You and Sean Brady. ;D
Toni Fearoni loves his Peroni
You plagiarised that from my Facebook!
Was married in Rome and visit Italy at least twice annually.The 2006 World Cup winners hooked me!
Quote from: Tonto on June 10, 2016, 06:13:28 PM
I must say when we qualified I only thought about how good it was to have supported NI through the dark days and that we had finally emerged, rejuvenated on pitch and in the stands. We might not have the stars of other teams or the proven manager, but Michael O'Neill has instilled an amazing team spirit. Despite the defections to the south that many believed had weakened our team, we've only got stronger. Protestants, Catholics, dissenters, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims or Jews - no-one in the stands gives the slightest bit of notice, no-one cares and no-one should. I'm just delighted that we have 11 players taking to the field on Sunday representing my wee country at a major tournament for the first time in 30 years and each one of them wants to be there.
So watch on bitters. Wish us all the ills in the world. Hate us. Call us scum. Call us bigots despite the fact that you know nothing about us. It will change nothing. We will still be there. We will still have a great time and, it's true, we will come home without a trophy, but getting there was the most important thing, anything that comes after will just be a bonus.
As the great Taylor Swift said, "haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate" :D
For what it's worth I hope all those who are travelling from NI or the RoI, good luck, enjoy yourselves and don't come him TOO soon.
Great post ruined by the little defections moment. The IFA team had no problem taking Gorman or Bruce the other way or countless lads developed by the EFA
Best of luck to All Ireland teams.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 11, 2016, 07:43:19 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 10, 2016, 06:13:28 PM
I must say when we qualified I only thought about how good it was to have supported NI through the dark days and that we had finally emerged, rejuvenated on pitch and in the stands. We might not have the stars of other teams or the proven manager, but Michael O'Neill has instilled an amazing team spirit. Despite the defections to the south that many believed had weakened our team, we've only got stronger. Protestants, Catholics, dissenters, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims or Jews - no-one in the stands gives the slightest bit of notice, no-one cares and no-one should. I'm just delighted that we have 11 players taking to the field on Sunday representing my wee country at a major tournament for the first time in 30 years and each one of them wants to be there.
So watch on bitters. Wish us all the ills in the world. Hate us. Call us scum. Call us bigots despite the fact that you know nothing about us. It will change nothing. We will still be there. We will still have a great time and, it's true, we will come home without a trophy, but getting there was the most important thing, anything that comes after will just be a bonus.
As the great Taylor Swift said, "haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate" :D
For what it's worth I hope all those who are travelling from NI or the RoI, good luck, enjoy yourselves and don't come him TOO soon.
Great post ruined by the little defections moment. The IFA team had no problem taking Gorman or Bruce the other way or countless lads developed by the EFA
I honestly didn't think of the word defection being in any way controversial. Btw I'm not lamenting those defections or saying they should be forced to play for NI. I'm just saying how pleasing it is to qualify for a tournament despite missing what COULD theoretically been very important players for us, but instead we have actually become stronger because instead of people playing half-heartedly for us, each player has CHOSEN to play.
Anyone heard the word 'banter' being used yet?
Quote from: JimStynes on June 11, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Anyone heard the word 'banter' being used yet?
There was some banter in nice train station... singing about German bombers... are you in England in disguise. Cringeworthy
Fighting with the polish in nice.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 11, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Fighting with the polish in nice.
With as in alongside v local ultras according to some reports. But sure everyone is innocent and was attacked by themmuns.
Quote from: LeoMc on June 11, 2016, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 11, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Fighting with the polish in nice.
With as in alongside v local ultras according to some reports. But sure everyone is innocent and was attacked by themmuns.
All sitting having a poetry recital when set upon by some local thugs... ::)
I'm the Information Age there really is no excuse for getting stuck in before you know the facts. The PSNI who are there are also saying locals attacked Polish and NI fans.
Anyway, I'm off to France now so no time to worry about your petty points scoring and snide remarks. Enjoy watching it later :-)
Quote from: Tonto on June 12, 2016, 03:26:18 AM
I'm the Information Age there really is no excuse for getting stuck in before you know the facts.
Is this your first time on the internet?
I saw a NI fleg in a shopping centre in France. The RoI fleg has more orange in it.
The centenary of the Somme happens in July. How should the Board remember it?
Saw videos of NI fans signing '10 German bombers' with a loyalist drummer in the middle. Lovely lads. Though I suppose the best way to annoy them would actually be to support them!
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 07:10:36 AM
The centenary of the Somme happens in July. How should the Board remember it?
Why don't you open up another thread, see how that pans out
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36507268
Northern Ireland sent Rory McIlroy message before Poland game
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 12, 2016, 08:18:26 AM
Saw videos of NI fans signing '10 German bombers' with a loyalist drummer in the middle. Lovely lads. Though I suppose the best way to annoy them would actually be to support them!
Soccer in NI must be heavily influenced by social class because rugby is completely different. It is hard to believe how different the 2 sports are.
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 12, 2016, 08:18:26 AM
Saw videos of NI fans signing '10 German bombers' with a loyalist drummer in the middle. Lovely lads. Though I suppose the best way to annoy them would actually be to support them!
Soccer in NI must be heavily influenced by social class because rugby is completely different. It is hard to believe how different the 2 sports are.
Rugby has always been a middle class thing or an educated following crowd
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 07:10:36 AM
The centenary of the Somme happens in July. How should the Board remember it?
With respect, but without hero worship.
Like all other centenaries it should be ignored and left in the past,a very different place from the present
Quote from: T Fearon on June 12, 2016, 12:18:22 PM
Like all other centenaries it should be ignored and left in the past,a very different place from the present
It seems to be a key part of Unionist identity along with the Queen
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 12, 2016, 08:18:26 AM
Saw videos of NI fans signing '10 German bombers' with a loyalist drummer in the middle. Lovely lads. Though I suppose the best way to annoy them would actually be to support them!
Soccer in NI must be heavily influenced by social class because rugby is completely different. It is hard to believe how different the 2 sports are.
Hardly a phenomenon confined to NI.
Figured out from the playing of the Anthem as the camera scrolled past the players the answer to the question in the title!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2016, 04:59:54 PM
Figured out from the playing of the Anthem as the camera scrolled past the players the answer to the question in the title!
Lol I thought exactly the same thing!
Disgrace that they still use that as the national anthem
It's been all Poland the first 10mins.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2016, 04:59:54 PM
Figured out from the playing of the Anthem as the camera scrolled past the players the answer to the question in the title!
And who would've thought Kyle Lafferty was a Yank?!
I would say a lot of football fans will be wondering why there are 2 green teams from Ireland.
10 attempts to 0 in favour of Poland..
Expect opening of floodgates now
Poland lead 290-95 on passes
Bigotry in sport is so counterproductive. If they had a full pick and everyone felt welcome at matches they would be much better
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 06:21:59 PM
Poland lead 290-95 on passes
Bigotry in sport is so counterproductive. If they had a full pick and everyone felt welcome at matches they would be much better
Half the panel embarrassed by GSTQ...Lafferty not doing much for inclusivity.
The question should be changed to "figuring out who is a footballer in the Northern Ireland panel "
Lafferty would make a handy full forward for Fermanagh.
Quote from: AQMP on June 12, 2016, 07:02:46 PM
Lafferty is a tool of the highest order
What did he do?
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Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2016, 06:21:59 PM
Poland lead 290-95 on passes
Bigotry in sport is so counterproductive. If they had a full pick and everyone felt welcome at matches they would be much better
Half the panel embarrassed by GSTQ...Lafferty not doing much for inclusivity.
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Anyone he video
The playing of 'God Save The Queen' before Northern Ireland's match against Poland on Sunday prompted injured Manchester City and Belgium defender Vincent Kompany to ask: "If England faces Northern Ireland will we hear the same national anthem twice? Will they all sing it together... twice? I'm confused."
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Can't see it to be honest.
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Not much sign of that from Arlene on GMU, when pressed as to whether or not she would attend a NI and ROI game with Martin, one way street.
Sad news about the fan who died after falling from a balcony in Nice. Terrible situation for those with him and his family at home.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2016, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Not much sign of that from Arlene on GMU, when pressed as to whether or not she would attend a NI and ROI game with Martin, one way street.
She was wearing a leprechaun green outfit yesterday. Unionism is a very weird mixture of green and butchers apron..
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2016, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Not much sign of that from Arlene on GMU, when pressed as to whether or not she would attend a NI and ROI game with Martin, one way street.
I heard that as well and thought 'bitch', but then again I wouldn't cross the road to watch the six county soccer team.
When they lose their next match I will have to listen to a load of crap about how great they were and how the event brought our divided society together.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Not much sign of that from Arlene on GMU, when pressed as to whether or not she would attend a NI and ROI game with Martin, one way street.
I heard that as well and thought 'bitch', but then again I wouldn't cross the road to watch the six county soccer team.
When they lose their next match I will have to listen to a load of crap about how great they were and how the event brought our divided society together.
What if you were already on that side of the road?
A pub in Newry that was flying flegs including the NI yoke was told to take the latter down or else face an arson attack. Even more controversial than Jamie Clarke and Fearon.
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 12:18:50 PM
A pub in Newry that was flying flegs including the NI yoke was told to take the latter down or else face an arson attack. Even more controversial than Jamie Clarke and Fearon.
Well since there is no official flag for the state of northern Ireland then maybe they realised this and were just being pedantic ;)
first time ive ever watched a full NI match in my life. Thoroughly enjoyed Poland's performance.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 13, 2016, 11:04:14 AM
Sad news about the fan who died after falling from a balcony in Nice. Terrible situation for those with him and his family at home.
horrible thing to have happen. very sad for his friends and family
https://youtu.be/xrwZ8EXKJlA
who the feck are these clowns?
Fucks sake. I'm attributing that to the Irish tradition of 'you'll sing anything if you drunk enough'. Dopes. Still I suppose at least they are all getting along.
No surprise seeing a Dub in the middle of it.
It's probably INDIANA.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
f**ks sake. I'm attributing that to the Irish tradition of 'you'll sing anything if you drunk enough'. Dopes. Still I suppose at least they are all getting along.
What were they singing I couldn't make it out?
That stupid 10 German Bombers song, with the chorus that the 'RAF from Ulster shot them down'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2016, 01:37:00 PM
That stupid 10 German Bombers song, with the chorus that the 'RAF from Ulster shot them down'.
Ironic that if it wasn't for the Germans Ireland north and south would be fcuked.
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: Orior on June 13, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2016, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/president-hopes-euro-2016-brings-north-and-republic-closer-1.2681371
Not much sign of that from Arlene on GMU, when pressed as to whether or not she would attend a NI and ROI game with Martin, one way street.
I heard that as well and thought 'bitch', but then again I wouldn't cross the road to watch the six county soccer team.
When they lose their next match I will have to listen to a load of crap about how great they were and how the event brought our divided society together.
What if you were already on that side of the road?
Then I would be a chicken.
Is the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 13, 2016, 02:54:29 PM
Is the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
You must be listening very well TB or frequenting the wrong places.
The Norn Iron supports are much to civilised now for the Billy Boys, that is until something goes wrong and they show their true colours.
It got a great rendition the day of the scottish cup final when the Hibs fans were celebrating. Not a mention of it either.
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2016, 01:34:31 PM
No surprise seeing a Dub in the middle of it.
It's probably INDIANA.
He has All-Ireland medals for singing.
He has coached singing.
And combat singing.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccerhttp://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/Themes/default/images/bbc/url.gif/euro-2016/vincent-kompany-makes-silly-jibe-over-northern-irelands-national-anthem-34794174.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccerhttp://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/Themes/default/images/bbc/url.gif/euro-2016/vincent-kompany-makes-silly-jibe-over-northern-irelands-national-anthem-34794174.html)
Quote from: NAG1 on June 13, 2016, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 13, 2016, 02:54:29 PM
Is the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
You must be listening very well TB or frequenting the wrong places.
The Norn Iron supports are much to civilised now for the Billy Boys, that is until something goes wrong and they show their true colours.
It got a great rendition the day of the scottish cup final when the Hibs fans were celebrating. Not a mention of it either.
Aye that was a great day out when NI reached the Scottish Cup Final, you absolute melter.
Quote from: Tonto on June 13, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 13, 2016, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 13, 2016, 02:54:29 PM
Is the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
You must be listening very well TB or frequenting the wrong places.
The Norn Iron supports are much to civilised now for the Billy Boys, that is until something goes wrong and they show their true colours.
It got a great rendition the day of the scottish cup final when the Hibs fans were celebrating. Not a mention of it either.
Aye that was a great day out when NI reached the Scottish Cup Final, you absolute melter.
Just as well they weren't given it featured two teams who played entertaining, attacking football :-X. NAG1 is wrong, however, to suggest there was no mention of the sectarian singing. It was commented upon widely in the media and elsewhere in the aftermath of the game.
I was supporting Northern Ireland yesterday. Great effort to reach the finals with a pretty limited group of players and they have certainly made an effort to sort out some of the unpleasant stuff that used to follow the team around. I'd suggest they change the anthem too.
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 13, 2016, 03:53:06 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccerhttp://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/Themes/default/images/bbc/url.gif/euro-2016/vincent-kompany-makes-silly-jibe-over-northern-irelands-national-anthem-34794174.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccerhttp://209.200.237.116/~gaabo3/board/Themes/default/images/bbc/url.gif/euro-2016/vincent-kompany-makes-silly-jibe-over-northern-irelands-national-anthem-34794174.html)
ffs the indo would make you sick. Kompanay makes a valid point :)
QuoteIs the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
Are u seriously deriding the NI fans for singing a pop anthem rather than a sectarian chant? Wise up.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 13, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
The male population if Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan will be chuffed so many people are standing up for them :D
Seriously that's all you 2 can take from that? Have a wee dig about geography??
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 13, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
Oh yes you gents are very clever that you know the little known (!) fact that there are 9 counties in Ulster... Well done. But I must say I'm confused a little about why it's wrong for NI fans to sing Stand Up for the Ulstermen when all of NI is in Ulster and, therefore, all the players could be considered Ulstermen? Also the RoI fans were apparently singing UlsterMAN because of the young man that died... Have they moved Ballymena outside of Ulster?
I must say the attitude of so many posters on here is pathetic.
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
Quote from: Tonto on June 14, 2016, 06:53:21 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 13, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
Oh yes you gents are very clever that you know the little known (!) fact that there are 9 counties in Ulster... Well done. But I must say I'm confused a little about why it's wrong for NI fans to sing Stand Up for the Ulstermen when all of NI is in Ulster and, therefore, all the players could be considered Ulstermen? Also the RoI fans were apparently singing UlsterMAN because of the young man that died... Have they moved Ballymena outside of Ulster?
I must say the attitude of so many posters on here is pathetic.
Some plonkers alright. RIP
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
They should be top 8 then MR :o. I expect them to top their group and make it to the QFs on your assessment . If Will Grigg is on fire no hassle.
The distribution of quality in the groups was questionable.
24 teams out of 53 is taking the urine imo.
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
They should be top 8 then MR :o. I expect them to top their group and make it to the QFs on your assessment . If Will Grigg is on fire no hassle.
The distribution of quality in the groups was questionable.
24 teams out of 53 is taking the urine imo.
Getting out of the qualifiers means well done, now you're up against the better teams in Europe and based on seeding's means you'll be in a tougher finals group, Poland Germany and Ukraine much better team than n.i plus factor in that none of the n.i team or management has and tournament experience... I've said that already, which makes it so much harder, you get the odd team that bucks the trend but qualifier's and finals are different and need a different approach..
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 13, 2016, 10:28:18 PM
QuoteIs the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
Are u seriously deriding the NI fans for singing a pop anthem rather than a sectarian chant? Wise up.
Their fans are as one dimensional as the team. At least England fans have Engerland, Engerland, Engerland and GSTQ. No Surrender to the IRA is a tad anachronistic these days but they haven't he intelligence to think of anything else.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 13, 2016, 10:28:18 PM
QuoteIs the Billy Boys "party song" of yesteryear now out of favour amongst the GAWA? I'm so tired of listening to Will Grigg's on fire that I'd welcome its return.
Are u seriously deriding the NI fans for singing a pop anthem rather than a sectarian chant? Wise up.
The sectarian chant would be a more authentic representation of the place they are supporting, although in fairness some people would like to see it on fire.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 08:35:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
They should be top 8 then MR :o. I expect them to top their group and make it to the QFs on your assessment . If Will Grigg is on fire no hassle.
The distribution of quality in the groups was questionable.
24 teams out of 53 is taking the urine imo.
Getting out of the qualifiers means well done, now you're up against the better teams in Europe and based on seeding's means you'll be in a tougher finals group, Poland Germany and Ukraine much better team than n.i plus factor in that none of the n.i team or management has and tournament experience... I've said that already, which makes it so much harder, you get the odd team that bucks the trend but qualifier's and finals are different and need a different approach..
You are not coherent, MR. I think NI are chaff . You said they topped the group. Now you say they are chaff
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 08:35:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2016, 07:32:13 AM
Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
They should be top 8 then MR :o. I expect them to top their group and make it to the QFs on your assessment . If Will Grigg is on fire no hassle.
The distribution of quality in the groups was questionable.
24 teams out of 53 is taking the urine imo.
Getting out of the qualifiers means well done, now you're up against the better teams in Europe and based on seeding's means you'll be in a tougher finals group, Poland Germany and Ukraine much better team than n.i plus factor in that none of the n.i team or management has and tournament experience... I've said that already, which makes it so much harder, you get the odd team that bucks the trend but qualifier's and finals are different and need a different approach..
You are not coherent, MR. I think NI are chaff . You said they topped the group. Now you say they are chaff
Surely the point he is making is that the euros being expanded didn't impact NI for qualifying but ironically it did for the Republic? the point he is also making is they got out of a 'qualifying' group and now get to the higher quality 'tournament' group which is of a concentrated higher quality with more pressure? but then again, you already knew thats what he meant ;)
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Great to see NI at the finals but it is 24 teams out of 53 ie slightly less than half. So there is quite a lot of chaff playing . How the Dutch didn't make it is a mystery. Even Albania qualified.
They topped the group and didn't require the playoffs..... You are relentless.. Grade A WUM
They should be top 8 then MR :o. I expect them to top their group and make it to the QFs on your assessment . If Will Grigg is on fire no hassle.
The distribution of quality in the groups was questionable.
24 teams out of 53 is taking the urine imo.
Getting out of the qualifiers means well done, now you're up against the better teams in Europe and based on seeding's means you'll be in a tougher finals group, Poland Germany and Ukraine much better team than n.i plus factor in that none of the n.i team or management has and tournament experience... I've said that already, which makes it so much harder, you get the odd team that bucks the trend but qualifier's and finals are different and need a different approach..
You are not coherent, MR. I think NI are chaff . You said they topped the group. Now you say they are chaff
Surely the point he is making is that the euros being expanded didn't impact NI for qualifying but ironically it did for the Republic? the point he is also making is they got out of a 'qualifying' group and now get to the higher quality 'tournament' group which is of a concentrated higher quality with more pressure? but then again, you already knew thats what he meant ;)
I'm wasting my time on a Wum, I know I shouldn't but I don't get the mentality of the WUM
I see there's another Norn Iron fan gone missing in Nice.
Concerns are growing about a Northern Ireland fan feared missing at the European Championships in France.
Kane Leslie has not been seen since Sunday afternoon in Nice when he was last in a bar with plans to sleep on the beach, according to tweets by his friends.
It follows the death of Darren Rodgers in the French south coast city when he fell from a promenade.
Nice's pebble beach is some seven kilometres long.
Mr Leslie's friend Steve Hudson has been searching tirelessly for him.
He tweeted: "Need some sleep. Please keep sharing #findkane / he's lost his wallet apparently as well."
Ahh he was found today.
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/friends-make-urgent-appeal-find-11469423#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
I see there's another Norn Iron fan gone missing in Nice.
Concerns are growing about a Northern Ireland fan feared missing at the European Championships in France.
Kane Leslie has not been seen since Sunday afternoon in Nice when he was last in a bar with plans to sleep on the beach, according to tweets by his friends.
It follows the death of Darren Rodgers in the French south coast city when he fell from a promenade.
Nice's pebble beach is some seven kilometres long.
Mr Leslie's friend Steve Hudson has been searching tirelessly for him.
He tweeted: "Need some sleep. Please keep sharing #findkane / he's lost his wallet apparently as well."
Ahh he was found today.
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/friends-make-urgent-appeal-find-11469423#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Nice fleg
Gotta hand it to Loyalism the are very creative when it comes to flegs.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 14, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 14, 2016, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
I see there's another Norn Iron fan gone missing in Nice.
Concerns are growing about a Northern Ireland fan feared missing at the European Championships in France.
Kane Leslie has not been seen since Sunday afternoon in Nice when he was last in a bar with plans to sleep on the beach, according to tweets by his friends.
It follows the death of Darren Rodgers in the French south coast city when he fell from a promenade.
Nice's pebble beach is some seven kilometres long.
Mr Leslie's friend Steve Hudson has been searching tirelessly for him.
He tweeted: "Need some sleep. Please keep sharing #findkane / he's lost his wallet apparently as well."
Ahh he was found today.
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/friends-make-urgent-appeal-find-11469423#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Nice fleg
Gotta hand it to Loyalism the are very creative when it comes to flegs.
Big time. I think the 4 white squares give them so much scope for innovation!
Shocker... N.i fan supports Rangers, next you'll be saying Celtic supporters from Dublin support ROI
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
I know, its crazy people from other countries supporting clubs from other countries.... Madness
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
I know, its crazy people from other countries supporting clubs from other countries.... Madness
Some people aren't even sure what country they are in, and a few outright loonies even think NI is a country.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
I know, its crazy people from other countries supporting clubs from other countries.... Madness
Some people aren't even sure what country they are in, and a few outright loonies even think NI is a country.
But the worst for me is people getting offended that people support teams...
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
I know, its crazy people from other countries supporting clubs from other countries.... Madness
Some people aren't even sure what country they are in, and a few outright loonies even think NI is a country.
But the worst for me is people getting offended that people support teams...
The worst for me is people who go on forums trying to stir things up with indefensible nonsense.
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Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
Oh yes you gents are very clever that you know the little known (!) fact that there are 9 counties in Ulster... Well done. But I must say I'm confused a little about why it's wrong for NI fans to sing Stand Up for the Ulstermen when all of NI is in Ulster and, therefore, all the players could be considered Ulstermen? Also the RoI fans were apparently singing UlsterMAN because of the young man that died... Have they moved Ballymena outside of Ulster?
I must say the attitude of so many posters on here is pathetic.
Whoa there, Tonto.
NI fans can sing what they like, but NI is not Ulster. It's within the province of Ulster but it's wrong to call the area consisting of the 6 counties 'Ulster'.
Take a look at this video on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/cLq3d-J0bbg
😂😂😂😂
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
We are not surprised that a Rangers fan supports NI, we are just surprised that anyone else does.
I know, its crazy people from other countries supporting clubs from other countries.... Madness
Some people aren't even sure what country they are in, and a few outright loonies even think NI is a country.
But the worst for me is people getting offended that people support teams...
The worst for me is people who go on forums trying to stir things up with indefensible nonsense.
So why do you do it so much?
Sign of insecurity to keep harping on about where you are from, everyone knows where they are from, what they believe in (according to their make up)
We cant demand or want people to accept our views while not accepting others, you get that don't you?? Otherwise you're no different to the other bigots... Just my view
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 10:34:41 PM
The worst for me is people who go on forums trying to stir things up with indefensible nonsense.
So why do you do it so much?
I don't.
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We cant demand or want people to accept our views while not accepting others, you get that don't you?? Otherwise you're no different to the other bigots... Just my view
Not all views are equal. Do you think that the guy who attacked the club in Florida was entitled to his view?
And you have no basis whatsoever for calling me a bigot. Name calling is the sure sign of someone who has no argument to put.
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2016, 10:34:41 PM
The worst for me is people who go on forums trying to stir things up with indefensible nonsense.
So why do you do it so much?
I don't.
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We cant demand or want people to accept our views while not accepting others, you get that don't you?? Otherwise you're no different to the other bigots... Just my view
Not all views are equal. Do you think that the guy who attacked the club in Florida was entitled to his view?
And you have no basis whatsoever for calling me a bigot. Name calling is the sure sign of someone who has no argument to put.
Lets keep on topic as each thing is different... You're not a bigot? a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion??
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You're not a bigot? a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion??
As I said, you have no evidence whatsoever that I am a bigot and that you accuse me of being one says a lot about you and nothing about me.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 11:41:46 PM
You're not a bigot? a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion??
As I said, you have no evidence whatsoever that I am a bigot and that you accuse me of being one says a lot about you and nothing about me.
The last part sums you up, intolerant, that's a bigot... Its simple enough, comes straight from the dictionary
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2016, 11:41:46 PM
You're not a bigot? a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion??
As I said, you have no evidence whatsoever that I am a bigot and that you accuse me of being one says a lot about you and nothing about me.
The last part sums you up, intolerant, that's a bigot... Its simple enough, comes straight from the dictionary
Intolerance of people calling you a bigot does not make you a bigot. You can debate the merits of a point of view, but a lie is just a lie.
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Quote from: gawa316 on June 13, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
Oh yes you gents are very clever that you know the little known (!) fact that there are 9 counties in Ulster... Well done. But I must say I'm confused a little about why it's wrong for NI fans to sing Stand Up for the Ulstermen when all of NI is in Ulster and, therefore, all the players could be considered Ulstermen? Also the RoI fans were apparently singing UlsterMAN because of the young man that died... Have they moved Ballymena outside of Ulster?
I must say the attitude of so many posters on here is pathetic.
Whoa there, Tonto.
NI fans can sing what they like, but NI is not Ulster. It's within the province of Ulster but it's wrong to call the area consisting of the 6 counties 'Ulster'.
And no one was! The players ARE Ulstermen.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 14, 2016, 11:07:24 PM
Take a look at this video on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/cLq3d-J0bbg
😂😂😂😂
Jeez Tony you're easily amused.
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Quote from: gawa316 on June 13, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Very nice touch by the fans singing 'Stand up for the Ulstermen' in the 24th minute in respect to the NI fan who passed away. They didn't have to do that and nobody would've batted an eyelid if they didn't so huge respect to those fans.
Obviously both sets of fans need geography lessons then.
Oh yes you gents are very clever that you know the little known (!) fact that there are 9 counties in Ulster... Well done. But I must say I'm confused a little about why it's wrong for NI fans to sing Stand Up for the Ulstermen when all of NI is in Ulster and, therefore, all the players could be considered Ulstermen? Also the RoI fans were apparently singing UlsterMAN because of the young man that died... Have they moved Ballymena outside of Ulster?
I must say the attitude of so many posters on here is pathetic.
Whoa there, Tonto.
NI fans can sing what they like, but NI is not Ulster. It's within the province of Ulster but it's wrong to call the area consisting of the 6 counties 'Ulster'.
And no one was! The players ARE Ulstermen.
Correct. Do you nordies do mathematics at all? Benny and his gang need to remember their set theory. Northern Ireland is a
subset of Ulster.
Hence all Northern Ireland men are Ulstermen. (whether you stand up for them or not).
Benny Cake, I think you are reading a bit too much depth in supporters chants.
/Jim.
(http://ricksmath.com/wp-content/themes/ricksmath/images/set-theory9.jpg)
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
But they still play in the Ulster Championship and they are from Ulster, so one would assume that if they are men and from Ulster they would in fact be Ulster men? again a lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over something that isn't a problem for logic thinking people ...
Wouldn't be uncommon for you to be named as a Connacht man... move on, nothing to see here ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
Certainly the Ulster Ian Paisley used to talk about was the 6 counties and the SUFTUM is an Ulster Rugby term which is for the 9 counties as is the Ulster Rugby fleg;
(http://home.connect.ie/morley/iomha/ie-ulstr.gif)
Maybe its time the term and meaning of Ulster needs to be claimed back as a neutral or common ground?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
But they still play in the Ulster Championship and they are from Ulster, so one would assume that if they are men and from Ulster they would in fact be Ulster men? again a lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over something that isn't a problem for logic thinking people ...
Wouldn't be uncommon for you to be named as a Connacht man... move on, nothing to see here ::)
Rossman is correct. The term Ulsterman is used mainly but not exclusively by local media to denote someone who is from here as opposed to the 26 counties, especially by reporters who can say the word Irish. I wouldn't use the term to describe myself, that is a generational thing but neither would I see it as a term of abuse. and maybe Johnny is right lets reclaim it.
They could remove all provincial ambiguity and sing Stand Up For The Irishmen.
SUFTI.
Quote from: Hardy on June 15, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
They could remove all provincial ambiguity and sing Stand Up For The Irishmen.
SUFTI.
Stand up for themmuns?
SUFTHEMMUNS
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
The term ulstermen is used to describe ulster counties all the time. It is time though that unionists were relieved of their perceived ownership of the term
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 15, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
The term "Ulsterman" has usually been used as an exclusivist term to imply Protestant Unionist.
You never hear it used to describe anyone from Donegal/Cavan/Monaghan or Nationalists from the 6 Cos.
But they still play in the Ulster Championship and they are from Ulster, so one would assume that if they are men and from Ulster they would in fact be Ulster men? again a lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over something that isn't a problem for logic thinking people ...
Wouldn't be uncommon for you to be named as a Connacht man... move on, nothing to see here ::)
Rossman is correct. The term Ulsterman is used mainly but not exclusively by local media to denote someone who is from here as opposed to the 26 counties, especially by reporters who can say the word Irish. I wouldn't use the term to describe myself, that is a generational thing but neither would I see it as a term of abuse. and maybe Johnny is right lets reclaim it.
The irony is that people from Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan can often be referred to as 'nordies', when it is probably more exclusive to people from the 6C. Ulster should be reclaimed from unionism, I agree.
The OP I commented on said "Ulstermen", which technically NI fans are, but as others have said, Ulster includes 9 counties. When the Ireland fans sang SUFTUM, that also technically includes lots of fans supporting the Republic (even if they don't refer to themselves as 'Ulstermen').
I think the problem lies that unionism have wrongly claimed the term Ulster for themselves, as mentioned earlier. NI fans also shout "Ulster" after their song 'We're not Brazil...' which again is technically wrong.
So anyway, that's the end of that.
LADS calm down
Michael o neills team represent the Irish Football Association(IFA) and the Football Association of Ireland (FAI)'s representative team are led by Martin Oneill
Neither team represent Ireland, eire nothern ireland,Norlin Airlann,Tuaisceart Éireann, the free state nor the 6 counties nor Ulster nor any subset there of .
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2016, 02:50:11 PM
The OP I commented on said "Ulstermen", which technically NI fans are, but as others have said, Ulster includes 9 counties. When the Ireland fans sang SUFTUM, that also technically includes lots of fans supporting the Republic (even if they don't refer to themselves as 'Ulstermen').
I think the problem lies that unionism have wrongly claimed the term Ulster for themselves, as mentioned earlier. NI fans also shout "Ulster" after their song 'We're not Brazil...' which again is technically wrong.
So anyway, that's the end of that.
Again knickers in a twist ... technically they are from Ulster as is Tommy Bowe who plays for Ulster and is from the south?
Do the Norn Iron football fans try to use the Ulster term as a means of not having to say the word Ireland or Irish?
They often go to great lengths to say they are British and not Irish yet their soccer association is very clearly the Irish Football Association (http://"http://www.irishfa.com/") not the Northern Irish (or Ulster)and if you look at their crest it looks very Irish with Shamrocks on it.
Their identity is always one of confusion with the national anthem a prime example of that and so the use of the term Ulster adds to this confusion.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2016, 03:31:05 PM
Do the Norn Iron football fans try to use the Ulster term as a means of not having to say the word Ireland or Irish?
They often go to great lengths to say they are British and not Irish yet their soccer association is very clearly the Irish Football Association (http://"http://www.irishfa.com/") not the Northern Irish (or Ulster)and if you look at their crest it looks very Irish with Shamrocks on it.
Their identity is always one of confusion with the national anthem a prime example of that and so the use of the term Ulster adds to this confusion.
Is it any wonder Vincent Kompany is confused? ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2016, 03:31:05 PM
Do the Norn Iron football fans try to use the Ulster term as a means of not having to say the word Ireland or Irish?
Is it possible that it's easily sung, familiar to them from rugby and lads enjoying the craic in the stand started bellowing it out, got a reaction and it became part of the repertoire of chants & songs?
And maybe it's not really a premeditated effort to claim or deny a particular identity?
Frankly if people really see a conspiracy to stake a territorial view they are affording soccer fans way too much credit.
Personally I am going with the fact they like the tune.
/Jim
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
LADS calm down
Michael o neills team represent the Irish Football Association(IFA) and the Football Association of Ireland (FAI)'s representative team are led by Martin Oneill
Neither team represent Ireland, eire nothern ireland,Norlin Airlann,Tuaisceart Éireann, the free state nor the 6 counties nor Ulster nor any subset there of .
Sure it's only oul feckin soccer anyway not real sport or real football.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2016, 03:31:05 PM
Do the Norn Iron football fans try to use the Ulster term as a means of not having to say the word Ireland or Irish?
Ah Jesus, set down your Big Book of Silly Stereotyoes and go and meet people.
Pissing into the wind with this thread aren't we?
Did we ever worn out who was Catholic in the NI squad?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 15, 2016, 10:16:22 PM
Did we ever worn out who was Catholic in the NI squad?
Baird, McLaughlin. Who else ?
Let's have a full analysis of the occupied six soccer squad, covering:
- religion of birth
- current religious affiliation
- passport country of origin
- ethnicity
- political persuasion
- sexual persuasion
etcetera
etcetera
etcetera
Quote from: Orior on June 15, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Let's have a full analysis of the occupied six soccer squad, covering:
- religion of birth
- current religious affiliation
- passport country of origin
- ethnicity
- political persuasion
- sexual persuasion
etcetera
etcetera
etcetera
Don't forget that we also need to know:
- how they pronounce H
- how they pronounce Magherafelt and/ or Maghera
- how far apart their eyes are
- how many siblings they have
- if they believe the thumb on a Red Hand of Ulster (am I, as a unionist, allowed to use that word or is it precluding some of you from reclaiming it for nationalism?) on the left or the right?
Only then can we provide the OP and all other interested parties with a fully comprehensive analysis of the religion of all members of the squad.
Quote from: Tonto on June 15, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 15, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Let's have a full analysis of the occupied six soccer squad, covering:
- religion of birth
- current religious affiliation
- passport country of origin
- ethnicity
- political persuasion
- sexual persuasion
etcetera
etcetera
etcetera
Don't forget that we also need to know:
- how they pronounce H
- how they pronounce Magherafelt and/ or Maghera
- how far apart their eyes are
- how many siblings they have
- if they believe the thumb on a Red Hand of Ulster (am I, as a unionist, allowed to use that word or is it precluding some of you from reclaiming it for nationalism?) on the left or the right?
Only then can we provide the OP and all other interested parties with a fully comprehensive analysis of the religion of all members of the squad.
I find that prods keep jam and red sauce in the fridge rather than the cupboard so can we use that as selection criteria. Probably due to years of oppression preventing catholics from having access to electricity and/or fridges.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 15, 2016, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 15, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 15, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Let's have a full analysis of the occupied six soccer squad, covering:
- religion of birth
- current religious affiliation
- passport country of origin
- ethnicity
- political persuasion
- sexual persuasion
etcetera
etcetera
etcetera
Don't forget that we also need to know:
- how they pronounce H
- how they pronounce Magherafelt and/ or Maghera
- how far apart their eyes are
- how many siblings they have
- if they believe the thumb on a Red Hand of Ulster (am I, as a unionist, allowed to use that word or is it precluding some of you from reclaiming it for nationalism?) on the left or the right?
Only then can we provide the OP and all other interested parties with a fully comprehensive analysis of the religion of all members of the squad.
I find that prods keep jam and red sauce in the fridge rather than the cupboard so can we use that as selection criteria. Probably due to years of oppression preventing catholics from having access to electricity and/or fridges.
I keep my red sauce in the cupboard as the fridge makes it too cold for chips. I always wondered why transubstantiation just seemed to make sense to me even though I was always told it was wrong. I've been hiding my true identity for too long. How will I tell my family I've been living a lie?
Do city prods say criby and not kerby??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2016, 11:32:17 PM
Do city prods say criby and not kerby??
As in the game? I'm a mere country Prod and we would have called it kerbsies.
Kerby me arse. It's kerbsy.
As for figuring out the Protestant members, you could just look at them. Most of them are a different gene pool to us locals.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2016, 11:42:54 PM
Kerby me arse. It's kerbsy.
As for figuring out the Protestant members, you could just look at them. Most of them are a different gene pool to us locals.
Having worked on the Shankill and on the Falls for many years, I've definitely got a great idea of who's who....
It was kerbsy in north west Portadown.
Quote from: Tonto on June 15, 2016, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2016, 11:32:17 PM
Do city prods say criby and not kerby??
As in the game? I'm a mere country Prod and we would have called it kerbsies.
Jaysus,
kerbsies sounds like something from a very effeminate cBeebies.
Kerby is not much better.
Is this the game of throwing the ball across the road at the opposite kerb?
Are there any products that are unique to either community eg biscuits, tea , processed meat etc
For anyone who missed it this is gold!!
http://www.rte.ie/player/gb/show/euro-2016-extras-30003616/10584260/
Nice to see the Crossmaglen boys name checked ;)
Kerby is N. Antrim. Cribby makes no sense as it involves an actual kerb. Kerbsie is just bollox also.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 16, 2016, 01:27:56 PM
Kerby is N. Antrim. Cribby makes no sense as it involves an actual kerb. Kerbsie is just bollox also.
It doesn't but that's what it was called
It's f**king kerbsie ye weirdos
well done lads , you have just proven what a contrary bunch of f**kers lads up north are , in a thread devoted to seeing what divides the nationalist and Unionist population yis are falling over the name of a game none of ye have probably played for 20 years
Ah Ros don't be expecting people from other parts of the Country to have evolved as much as us Connacht folks :D
Michael O'Neill rejects 'scrambling' jibe but wants Northern Ireland to get ugly
Northern Ireland manager annoyed by Ukraine criticism before vital Euro 2016 match and is planning changes after defeat in opening game
Wednesday 15 June 2016 19.29 BST Last modified on Thursday 16 June 2016 08.28 BST
Michael O'Neill has told Northern Ireland to improve "the ugly part" of their game on Thursday yet taken exception to Ukraine's Ruslan Rotan describing the Irish as reliant on physicality, high balls and scrambles. Ukraine "are not playing a Spanish style of football" retorted the manager before a contest that may determine Northern Ireland's fate at their first European Championship.
Both sides suffered defeat in their opening matches, against Poland and Germany respectively, heightening the importance of their encounter in Lyon. Rotan, the Ukraine midfielder, said Northern Ireland are the most British team at the tournament in terms of style, one he claimed was based on "great physical preparation, strong flanks, high crosses and lots of scrambling". The description has not gone down well with the first manager to win a qualifying group with a team drawn from pot five, and who did so not by "scrambling".
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"It's interesting that statement was made," said O'Neill, who may change his selection and formation for the second game in Group C. "I looked at the statistics in the Germany game and Ukraine's possession was not particularly high [37%]. They also played a lot of long balls, which is very British. Ukraine are a very physical team. If you look at the amount of yellow and red cards the Ukrainians gained through qualification, they are not playing a Spanish style of football."
O'Neill admitted Northern Ireland's attacking threat must improve with Kyle Lafferty isolated for long periods against Poland and Steven Davis, given the onerous task of supporting the lone striker while trying to marshal Grzegorz Krychowiak in midfield, starved of possession. Having frequently mentioned the threat posed by the Ukraine wide men Andriy Yarmolenko and Yevhen Konoplyanka in the buildup to the game, a four-man defence with Jonny Evans at left-back is also under consideration.
The manager said: "What the tournament has shown is that all games are tight. That's most important. We recognise where we need to be better, I don't think we needed that reassurance of 'Do we belong here?' We felt that all along but we must demonstrate that against a strong Ukrainian team. We saw things in the Germany game that we didn't expect. We thought Ukraine may have been more defensive. They were a threat at set pieces. We recognise their strengths and we have to be prepared to match the physicality. What we didn't do against Poland was the ugly part of the game and that's something we generally always do well. When I say ugly I mean in terms of the competitiveness."
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Uefa have granted Northern Ireland's request to wear black armbands in memory of Darren Rodgers, the 24-year-old fan who died in Nice on Monday after falling 26ft from a promenade, but not for a minute's silence before the game. Northern Ireland supporters plan to applaud during the 24th minute as a mark of respect to Rodgers. Davis, the captain, said: "It would be nice to go and get a positive result in Darren's memory. We always give 100% effort, but hopefully what has happened can spur us on even more."
O'Neill selected a training base and hotel close to Lyon specifically with the Ukraine game in mind. He believes straightforward preparations could be a deciding factor in what he has labelled "a cup final" for Northern Ireland.
He said: "Although it was not a big journey to Nice it was still time consuming because of security. We haven't got that for this game. It was one of the factors in deciding to base ourselves here. It's 45 minutes to get here and we haven't had to change hotel. Having lost the first game, there's a natural fear of when do you go home. Other teams will feel the same and we have to make sure that's a motivation. We love our base and want to stay there as long as possible. We have to play it like a cup final because we know the significance of three points."
There was a lighter moment at the pre-match press conference when Davis was asked about being the first player at the tournament to take a one-man kick-off, as he did against Poland. The Southampton midfielder explained: "Uefa spoke to us about rule changes and it was something we were going to do in the Slovakia friendly. The referee said no at that point. The reason is to get an extra player out wide from kick-off. Kyle was the target for the next ball. I believe we were one of the first teams to do it. A little piece of history."
O'Neill interjected: "We're hoping it's not the highlight of the tournament."
Ukraine's press conference also veered away from the game when the defender Artem Fedetskiy was asked about a claim in Bild, the German newspaper, that their players smoked cigarettes and drank beer in the dressing room after the defeat by Germany. "We have no players who drink beer," said Fedetskiy, with a straight face. "Maybe someone wants to provoke us. We behave in a civilised way. You can check the DNA from the cigarettes."
Quote from: general_lee on June 16, 2016, 01:56:07 PM
It's f**king kerbsie ye weirdos
Kerby in our part of the world as well, North Derry/ North Antrim border.
South Derry has no kerbs so no need to ask them.
Quote from: doodaa on June 16, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 16, 2016, 01:56:07 PM
It's f**king kerbsie ye weirdos
Kerby in our part of the world as well, North Derry/ North Antrim border.
South Derry has no kerbs so no need to ask them.
None down our way either ;D
Quote from: johnneycool on June 16, 2016, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: doodaa on June 16, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 16, 2016, 01:56:07 PM
It's f**king kerbsie ye weirdos
Kerby in our part of the world as well, North Derry/ North Antrim border.
South Derry has no kerbs so no need to ask them.
None down our way either ;D
Just be thankful you's have tarmac :P
Some goodlooking birds in the Nordie crowd...French women dressed in N Ireland jerseys surely?
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2016, 04:57:43 PM
Some goodlooking birds in the Nordie crowd...French women dressed in N Ireland jerseys surely?
The grass is always greener. :D :D :D
Forbidden fruit and all that. What little time I spent up North I found themmuns women were very curious about southern men. ;)
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 05:44:57 PM
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Why are you following their twitter or website??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 05:44:57 PM
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Why are you following their twitter or website??
I followed a link to the Belfast telegraph from the board. You must be a WUM.
Well - one of them scored
Fair play to the north of Ireland
Looks like Tyrone men have got the hang of this goal scoring thing.
Oh. My. God.
They did well. Prob have got out of the group as long as they don't implode to the germans.
4 points should be grand
Fair play to the gawa
Wouldn't ever recognise the state
But they are giving a fair few plenty of joy
So well done
Quote from: naka on June 16, 2016, 08:43:08 PM
Fair play to the gawa
Wouldn't ever recognise the state
But they are giving a fair few plenty of joy
So well done
It is weird that the South is the team with the orange
I'm not down yet. Can't quite believe we've done it. Really hoping for a German victory here to give us a chance of 2nd in group even if we get no more points.
Excellent win.Michael O'Neill made brave decisions and every one of them proved to be correct.Celtic have missed a gem of a manager.He's ten times better than Rodgers
Sadly, one family will not be celebrating.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/northern-ireland-fan-dies-in-the-stand-during-famous-victory-over-ukraine-34808261.html
Draw between Germany and Poland not ideal for the #GAWA
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Draw between Germany and Poland not ideal for the #GAWA
Unfortunately it still allows them some hope.
Just seen half of Belfast celebrating Niall McGinn's goal on the news. Has there ever been any other act by a catholic that has brought so much joy to the Protestant community?
Gerry Adams emigrating to Louth?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 16, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Just seen half of Belfast celebrating Niall McGinn's goal on the news. Has there ever been any other act by a catholic that has brought so much joy to the Protestant community?
Supporting NI is not, nor has it ever been for the Protestant community.
But if you're asking has any Catholic ever done anything bringing so much joy to Northern Ireland supporters, I would say that probably NIs most celebrated goal, Gerry Armstrong vs Spain, was scored by a Catholic from the Falls Rd.
If you ever get a chance to go to Windsor Pk pleas go, you might be surprised :-)
I wasn't talking just football, Tonto.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 16, 2016, 11:21:16 PM
I wasn't talking just football, Tonto.
Football thread? Barry McGuigan?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 16, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Just seen half of Belfast celebrating Niall McGinn's goal on the news. Has there ever been any other act by a catholic that has brought so much joy to the Protestant community?
Michael Collins signing the Treaty maybe
Quote from: Tonto on June 16, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 16, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Just seen half of Belfast celebrating Niall McGinn's goal on the news. Has there ever been any other act by a catholic that has brought so much joy to the Protestant community?
Supporting NI is not, nor has it ever been for the Protestant community.
But if you're asking has any Catholic ever done anything bringing so much joy to Northern Ireland supporters, I would say that probably NIs most celebrated goal, Gerry Armstrong vs Spain, was scored by a Catholic from the Falls Rd.
If you ever get a chance to go to Windsor Pk pleas go, you might be surprised :-)
That may be the case but there certainly hasn't been anything about it to attract Catholics to support them. GSTQ, Billy Boys, loyalist fanbase, Union flegs (and worse back in the day), location of the ground has put off generations of Catholic support. With the PR around the current success and tarting up of Windsor I have no doubt they'll capture younger generations but I would be surprised at any Catholic over the age of 30 actively supporting them.
Quote from: AQMP on June 17, 2016, 08:59:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 16, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Just seen half of Belfast celebrating Niall McGinn's goal on the news. Has there ever been any other act by a catholic that has brought so much joy to the Protestant community?
Michael Collins signing the Treaty maybe
Got there just before me seafoid! I only saw the first 15 mins live and I watched a recording last night. NI were easily the better team and 2-0 was a fair result. Great management by O'Neill, he will probably admit he got the tactics wrong against Poland, took a bit of a gamble but it paid off. Have to say Ukraine were shocking, looked like they'd gone to France for the cheap wine!
Poland are a very good team. 4 points is very impressive.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 05:44:57 PM
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Why are you following their twitter or website??
The thing about unionism is that it is an artificial construct.
You'd never see a Taoiseach tweeting something like that.
Many older people call NI the North of Ireland.
Good cartoon doing the rounds with David and Goliath cranes at Belfast shipyard! "Ukraine 0 Two Cranes 2!" Quite funny!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 17, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
Good cartoon doing the rounds with David and Goliath cranes at Belfast shipyard! "Ukraine 0 Two Cranes 2!" Quite funny!
Samson
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2016, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 05:44:57 PM
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Why are you following their twitter or website??
The thing about unionism is that it is an artificial construct.
You'd never see a Taoiseach tweeting something like that.
Many older people call NI the North of Ireland.
You going to answer it or just post crap??
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Me
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2016, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2016, 05:44:57 PM
@DUP leader
Just to be clear the DUP website nowhere refers to the north of Ireland #nosuchplace #proudodNI #Nolan
what does proudodNI mean?
Why are you following their twitter or website??
The thing about unionism is that it is an artificial construct.
You'd never see a Taoiseach tweeting something like that.
Many older people call NI the North of Ireland.
You going to answer it or just post crap??
Is this your first time interacting with seafoid?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Their attendances at Windsor are about 10000 yet they reckon there are 40000 fans away over. You do the math. That's a quare bandwagon. Hopefully it's in for some serious repairs soon ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Their attendances at Windsor are about 10000 yet they reckon there are 40000 fans away over. You do the math. That's a quare bandwagon. Hopefully it's in for some serious repairs soon ;D
Think Windsor holds around 12000, possibly
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Their attendances at Windsor are about 10000 yet they reckon there are 40000 fans away over. You do the math. That's a quare bandwagon. Hopefully it's in for some serious repairs soon ;D
Think Windsor holds around 12000, possibly
IFA missed a trick not building a bigger stadium then!
:o
To be fair the reason attendances have been around 10,000 is because of redevelopment. Once it is completed by the next qualifying campaign I believe the capacity will be 18,000.
That said I accept there is def a bandwagon on the role and there are plenty of people who used to give me stick when there were only about 6,500 of us at Windsor ("what are you going to watch that crap for?" Etc etc) who are now posting about how great the whole thing is. I'm not bitter about that because their joy will never match what I'm getting out of it because ultimately things will take a dip and they'll be doing the same thing the next time the Belfast Giants are top of the super league or the Aghadowey Tiddlywinkers reach a cup final... And sure if there are new enthusiastic NI supporters, all the better.
PS Can we stop with this Billy Boys shit?
Hadn't they to demolish one stand?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
Out of interest except Tonto, does anyone else support the NI Soccer team on a regular basis, not the jump on the bandwagon type, have you went to any games etc?
Their attendances at Windsor are about 10000 yet they reckon there are 40000 fans away over. You do the math. That's a quare bandwagon. Hopefully it's in for some serious repairs soon ;D
Sure wasn't there so many of them at one match, they broke the feckin' stand! ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 17, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
Good cartoon doing the rounds with David and Goliath cranes at Belfast shipyard! "Ukraine 0 Two Cranes 2!" Quite funny!
Samson
Old testament is a load of old bollox, everyone knows that
QuotePS Can we stop with this Billy Boys shit?
Hello, hello...We're not the ones singing it :D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Hadn't they to demolish one stand?
Yeah I was in that stand the day before the crack appeared for the Finland game. The crowd was absolutely bouncing, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fan-induced crack. They did knock it down and the replacement is nearly up. Because the rest of the ground was being built they were able to make the new stand integrate nicely into the south stand and close off the corner. All's well that ends well.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
QuotePS Can we stop with this Billy Boys shit?
Hello, hello...We're not the ones singing it :D
You know, I'll be totally honest. I went to my first NI game as a 10 year old in 1997. I'm pretty sure the atmosphere wasn't very welcoming to Catholics and, looking back, I have great admiration for all those players who played for us through the darkest years of Northern Ireland's history. But that's what it is, history. In the context of a deeply divided society not even yet emerging for civil conflict, I don't think we should be very surprised if songs were sung on the terrace that have no place today.
As a NI supporter, the worst days of the team probably coincided with the emergence of peace in NI and with that a sense that things had to change both on and off the pitch. In the early 2000s new campaigns were launched such as Football For All and Sea of Green to try to re-energise support for the team rather than just using the matches as a chance to express political affiliation.
That has been a success. Decent fans and decent people have made it so. If you want, be critical of Northern Ireland's players and be critical of Northern Ireland's support. But in continuing to through shit like Billy Boys/ "loyalist fanbase" etc around, it's the decent people who have made going to watch NI a pleasant, family experience who are probably most upset.
Just because you might want it to be true so that you can easily explain to people why you don't even have NI as a second preference, doesn't mean that it is.
I first attended a NI game in 1967,the famous Scotland game in which George Best was sublime.Attended many more over the years, but haven't been since 1995,when Michael O'Neill scored two goals against Austria.The sectarianism never really bothered me, as I was there to watch favourite players,like Jennings, including those in the away teams like England and Scotland.The match against Bulgaria in 1979 was the one I felt most uncomfortable at as I was in the company of a few non catholic friends and they were palpably embarrassed on my account due to the sectarian singing and I was longing to tell them not to be so,but it was the elephant in the room that none of us wanted to mention.
The fan dynamic seems of have changed, with a lot more of the prawn sandwich brigade latching onto the team,and a lot less of the Shankhill/Sandy Row residents,epitomising how the sport in general has changed from its working class roots.This has probably helped in the battle against sectarianism.
I suppose it's inevitable in a country with divided allegiances that the two soccer teams will by and large represent those different allegiances (like Rangers and Celtic do in Glasgow,and the majority of each club's supporters are decent non bigoted people). But I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
I first attended an NI game in 2008. I didn't and still don't support them.
I've never attended an ROI game. I have never and still don't support them.
What was the game?
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
I first attended an NI game in 2008. I didn't and still don't support them.
I've never attended an ROI game. I have never and still don't support them.
Never been to a Soccer international. Find the game mind numbingly boring.
As for flegs/ awnthums can't the IFA just use the green flag with their crest on it and play feckin Danny Boy.
It's not the same nowadays.Back in the late 60s,70s,and even the 80s,before the advent of cheap airlines etc,the internationals were the only opportunity to see big name soccer players live,and the tv coverage was minimal.My First Republic game was in 1977,World Cup qualifier against France with Platini and co, and Giles,Brady,Stapleton,Heighway in Irish team.During that first N Ireland game in 1967,you had Best and Jennings playing for N Ireland (the team was actually called Ireland in those days!) while the Scotland team had Denis Law,and Lisbon Lions like Tommy Gemmell,Bobby Murdoch and Willie Wallace.Magical days,and sleepless nights before the games. I actually pity kids today,not experiencing such excitement.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
I first attended an NI game in 2008. I didn't and still don't support them.
I've never attended an ROI game. I have never and still don't support them.
Don't have much time for either of the teams prob. because soccer does not really appeal to me but I will say i have been very impressed by how the NI fans have behaved themselves. No sign of secterianism from them and mixed well with the other fans. Even the Polish 99% of whom would be Catholic's....I do love to see the Rugby chaps do well and don't mind supporting Ulster been to a number of their games and found it very welcoming and they are Irish to the core when the international team play. Rugby boys should be very proud of themselves on how they held a sense of unity even through out the difficult days when it would have been easy to allow politics get in the road.
IFA doing good work, no sectarian chants etc, that's all well and good, but a lot of Catholics in the North still won't see NI as an entity or an international team.
Yes playing GSTQ is laughable but many won't support NI no matter what fleg or anthem they use.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
IFA doing good work, no sectarian chants etc, that's all well and good, but a lot of Catholics in the North still won't see NI as an entity or an international team.
Yes playing GSTQ is laughable but many won't support NI no matter what fleg or anthem they use.
Agree with everything you said.
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Tonto, nationalists don't need an 'excuse' (such as the singing in the stands) not to have the north of Ireland down as their second team. We don't recognise that it is a country, and want nothing to do with the partition and seperation of Ireland. The English flag with a red hand and crown stuck on simply represents everything that nationalists stand against, and I don't think the rugby comparison is valid - theres another anthem to make unionists comfortable and a green flag with the provincial crests on it as the official flag.
My tune has changed on the north of Ireland having seen how their supporters interact with others in France (and compared it to a unionist hating the GAA for no reason) and I don't necessarily want to see them hammered in every game, but no true nationalist would ever be able to support the north in any way.
I accept that - my point is that no matter what NI fans do for some people there'll always be something else. The anthem, the flag, the location of the stadium, the colour of the seats. If those people don't want to support NI because they don't think it should exist, that's up to them, but at least come clean about it. My main problem though is when shite like Billy Boys etc is thrown around.
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
I accept that - my point is that no matter what NI fans do for some people there'll always be something else. The anthem, the flag, the location of the stadium, the colour of the seats. If those people don't want to support NI because they don't think it should exist, that's up to them, but at least come clean about it. My main problem though is when shite like Billy Boys etc is thrown around.
The Billy Boys are at least an authentic reflection of Northern Ireland, the rest of you are pretending there isn't an elephant in the room.
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
I accept that - my point is that no matter what NI fans do for some people there'll always be something else. The anthem, the flag, the location of the stadium, the colour of the seats. If those people don't want to support NI because they don't think it should exist, that's up to them, but at least come clean about it. My main problem though is when shite like Billy Boys etc is thrown around.
Likewise for the GAA and unionists.
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
IFA doing good work, no sectarian chants etc, that's all well and good, but a lot of Catholics in the North still won't see NI as an entity or an international team.
Yes playing GSTQ is laughable but many won't support NI no matter what fleg or anthem they use.
Agree with everything you said.
So you would welcome a change of anthem (and fleg)?
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Youse could introduce Northern Ireland's Call.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2016, 11:57:31 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
IFA doing good work, no sectarian chants etc, that's all well and good, but a lot of Catholics in the North still won't see NI as an entity or an international team.
Yes playing GSTQ is laughable but many won't support NI no matter what fleg or anthem they use.
Agree with everything you said.
Anthem - yeah I think there's a strong argument for changing it although I personally have an attachment to it as the UK anthem.
Flag - no. It's the only official flag NI has ever had. If the folks on the hill made it a priority to have an official accepted flag for NI then fine, but as it is, it's the Ulster Flag for me 👍
So you would welcome a change of anthem (and fleg)?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Youse could introduce Northern Ireland's Call.
'From the 6 proud counties of Northern Ireland' doesn't have the same ring to it.
Also, is the Ulster flag not yellow with a red cross, rather than the bastardised St George's Cross used at the minute by 6C fans?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 17, 2016, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
I accept that - my point is that no matter what NI fans do for some people there'll always be something else. The anthem, the flag, the location of the stadium, the colour of the seats. If those people don't want to support NI because they don't think it should exist, that's up to them, but at least come clean about it. My main problem though is when shite like Billy Boys etc is thrown around.
Likewise for the GAA and unionists.
Probably true
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
I accept that - my point is that no matter what NI fans do for some people there'll always be something else. The anthem, the flag, the location of the stadium, the colour of the seats. If those people don't want to support NI because they don't think it should exist, that's up to them, but at least come clean about it. My main problem though is when shite like Billy Boys etc is thrown around.
I'll throw around the Billy Boys because despite the shiny new NI support the people who used to sign these "party tunes" and supported violent loyalism in general in thee 80s and 90s would still be attending these matches and are as unreconstructed as the dodgy RUC officers operating under the guise of a shimy new, taig friendly PSNI. Having said that all the genuine NI fans I know are sound.
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 18, 2016, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Youse could introduce Northern Ireland's Call.
'From the 6 proud counties of Northern Ireland' doesn't have the same ring to it.
6 Prod counties of Ireland?
More like 4.
Question for Tonto is it safe to assume you are of the Unionist tradtion ?
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Question for Tonto is it safe to assume you are of the Unionist tradtion ?
FFS.
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278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: Tonto on June 17, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
QuoteBut I think particularly if the IFA could find a new flag and anthem it would go a long way to breaking down the final barriers.
Scotland and Wales can belt out their own anthems but it seems the OWC fanbase can't tear themselves away from their beloved Queen. Whilst I'm sure there have been noble efforts in improving the atmosphere at Windsor (as Tonto has mentioned above) the flegs and anthem issue is the nut that really needs cracked for the IFA to prove they are serious about creating an environment suitable for all. As flegs and emblems are like heroin to unionists I'll not hold my breath.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being petty, 10 being very petty, where would you place a unionist who refused to go to support the Ireland rugby team because there are thousands of 26 county flags and the 26 county anthem is played before a game?
Youse could introduce Northern Ireland's Call.
'From the 6 proud counties of Northern Ireland' doesn't have the same ring to it.
6 Prod counties of Ireland?
More like 4.
More like 2. Only Antrim and Down have Protestant majorities.
You fellas are obsessed with religion.
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:25:09 AM
You fellas are obsessed with religion.
Imagine there's no heaven...
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
For avoidance of any future confusion can you change your avatar to a sash or a union flag.
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:25:09 AM
You fellas are obsessed with religion.
That would be an ecumenical matter.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
I for one am amazed by the hypocrisy on this thread.No one lambasts and insults Catholics and catholicism more nowadays than lapsed Catholics,of whom there are many on this thread and board.To feign some proxy offence and presumably reinstate as temporary Catholics to do so,and be offended by coloured cloths and music is laughable.
The NI football team reflects the state with a unionist majority,and a part of the UK.The Republic team represents nationalists North and South.For football loving neutralists you can now go and watch a game at either side's home stadium in an atmosphere devoid of sectarianism,and that is progress.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
Because rugby toffs are apolitical.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 12:39:02 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
Because rugby toffs are apolitical.
Far from it
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:25:09 AM
You fellas are obsessed with religion.
Because in the north of Ireland, religion equals not only political viewpoints, but for the most part dictates conversations. Clearly with your presence on the board, there are some exceptions, but many would be awkward bringing up GAA around anyone who might be a Protestant, Incase they were offended. The OO complaining about the number of Catholics in the civil service and how they have the cheek to talk about the GAA, First Holy Communions and Christenings shows this up.
People can try and say 'religion is irrelevant', but until the unionist and nationalist communities realise they are having their strings pulled by those in power to manipulate the tiny differences in what Jesus said at the Last Supper (incredibly simplistic view but you get the point) in order to create havoc, someone's religion will always be important.
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:44:21 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:46:53 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:44:21 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
I for one am amazed by the hypocrisy on this thread.No one lambasts and insults Catholics and catholicism more nowadays than lapsed Catholics,of whom there are many on this thread and board.To feign some proxy offence and presumably reinstate as temporary Catholics to do so,and be offended by coloured cloths and music is laughable.
The NI football team reflects the state with a unionist majority,and a part of the UK.The Republic team represents nationalists North and South.For football loving neutralists you can now go and watch a game at either side's home stadium in an atmosphere devoid of sectarianism,and that is progress.
Good post. Never thought I'd say that about one of your posts TRTF but there's a lot of sense in it.
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Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Any Unionist that I know who support tge Irish Rugby team have massive allegiance to a team which represents the Irish nation.
They have allegiance to the team, not to an "Irish nation". Otherwise by definition they wouldn't be unionist.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
I for one am amazed by the hypocrisy on this thread.No one lambasts and insults Catholics and catholicism more nowadays than lapsed Catholics,of whom there are many on this thread and board.To feign some proxy offence and presumably reinstate as temporary Catholics to do so,and be offended by coloured cloths and music is laughable.
The NI football team reflects the state with a unionist majority,and a part of the UK.The Republic team represents nationalists North and South.For football loving neutralists you can now go and watch a game at either side's home stadium in an atmosphere devoid of sectarianism,and that is progress.
Yeah totally meaningless, my suggestions are a red, white and blue fleg with a swastika and the anthem of Fenian Record Player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDDEtbMygI 8)
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:56:19 AM
They have allegiance to the team, not to an "Irish nation". Otherwise by definition they wouldn't be unionist.
Not just as simple as that...Unionism and Irishness are never polar opposits. Edward Carson was both Unionist and committed to his Irish identity.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:56:19 AM
They have allegiance to the team, not to an "Irish nation". Otherwise by definition they wouldn't be unionist.
Not just as simple as that...Unionism and Irishness are never polar opposits. Edward Carson was both Unionist and committed to his Irish identity.
Yes but obviously not the idea of an Irish nation!
Just like you can be Scottish and British, for Carson he was Irish and British.
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:56:19 AM
They have allegiance to the team, not to an "Irish nation". Otherwise by definition they wouldn't be unionist.
Not just as simple as that...Unionism and Irishness are never polar opposits. Edward Carson was both Unionist and committed to his Irish identity.
Yes but obviously not the idea of an Irish nation!
Just like you can be Scottish and British, for Carson he was Irish and British.
Ok so it works like this then.
Unionists from the North feel comfortable to travel to Dublin to support their country Ireland .
but have no allegiance to the Irish Nation which the team represents.
Nationalists on the other hand have no allegiance to the Northern State and have serious reservations about supporting the team that represents that state ?
Its a little confusing. On the other hand Lansdown Rd and the 26 countries have never been a cold house to unionists. Windsor and the Northern State have very much been a cold house to Nationalists and for 40 - 50 years this was institionalised.
As I said I do sense a change in attitudes of the NI supporters which is great to see better late than never.
The case of identity I think Unionist are a little more Irish than you think and nationalist have always been Irish with little or no Britishness attached and will always find it difficult to have an allegiance to an Irish (northern) side which does not represent the Irish nation.
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Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 18, 2016, 12:56:19 AM
They have allegiance to the team, not to an "Irish nation". Otherwise by definition they wouldn't be unionist.
Not just as simple as that...Unionism and Irishness are never polar opposits. Edward Carson was both Unionist and committed to his Irish identity.
Yes but obviously not the idea of an Irish nation!
Just like you can be Scottish and British, for Carson he was Irish and British.
Ok so it works like this then.
Unionists from the North feel comfortable to travel to Dublin to support their country Ireland .
but have no allegiance to the Irish Nation which the team represents.
Nationalists on the other hand have no allegiance to the Northern State and have serious reservations about supporting the team that represents that state ?
Its a little confusing. On the other hand Lansdown Rd and the 26 countries have never been a cold house to unionists. Windsor and the Northern State have been very much been a cold house to Nationalists and for 40 - 50 years this was institionalised.
As I said I do sense a change in attitudes of the NI supporters which is great to see better late than never.
The case of identity I think Unionist are a little more Irish than you think and nationalist have always been Irish with little or no Britishness attached and will always find it difficult to have an allegiance to an Irish (northern) side which does not represent the Irish nation.
There's your basis for a United Ireland. Problem solved. Give that man a statue.
Rugby is watched by different people, end of.... Been to Ravenhill/kingspan many times and its a great spot, families groups of men plenty women, all supporting Ulster.... Fire in the no segregation of the away supporters and it gives you a sense that this place has some cracking people.....
I've very close friends , people who have been brought up if you want to say as prods, in all my time (and its a lot of drinks/nights out and nights in) there has never been any shit, I even brought a lad to do umpire for me at a championship match.... I'm never done talking about gaa or being asked about it.....
If you're looking to find trouble or dickheads you'll get you're fill of them on both sides, people on here trying to take the moral high ground because of the political situation here are fooling themselves.... There are as many bigots on both sides keeping this place as it is, divided
Is the Irish Tricolour not one of the most inclusive flags in the world....Orange for the followers of William of Orange and all that....white for the hope of peace between the communities...do any Unionists know that?
I've said before here somewhere....I went to NI v Albania in 1996 as a young enough secondary school pupil given free tickets from my soccer team. The Sectarianism that day scared me to death. Was a Saturday afternoon meaningless enough game but the venom in some men frightened me to an extent that I was in fear for my safety if I was 'found out.'
I accept it has changed for the better but I won't be back...I would love the chance to go and watch Spain etc on my doorstep but won't. I don't agree with NI as a state so will never support them but I was happy they did well the other day and wouldn't wish them beaten.
The anthem is toe curlingly embarrassing. Look at Kompany's tweet the other day...yes he's ignorant but it is totally embarrassing. ..
Flag is awful, unofficial and a stain on all our eyes...festooned on every lamppost at the entrance to my new build estate by bald headed, tattooEd, squinty eyed neanderthals. They made it their business to come out of their nearby Rathole estate and 'mark out' this estate that I work my bollox off to live in, lowering my house price as they do so...challenge these NI top wearing ladder holders and I may have my house burnt down never mind my house price lowered. "Excuse me kind sirs would you mind not putting up 15 flags at the entrance to this new build middle (I would say working but apparently you're now middle class if you have a job and pay for your own house) class development /estate...it's lowering the value of my house and prompting my friends who visit to ask if it's safe to live here....not to mention it's a complete f**king eyesore?"...you could only imagine the response from the Hills have Eyes boys from the estate 1 mile away if I said that
I went to near every ROI game when I lived in Dublin...totally different atmosphere and experience. Everyone knows who they are and there is a feeling of identity not experienced up here. Make their own laws and don't have to constantly look to a country across the Irish Sea for everything. Why unionists want to basically be England and love a 90 year old lady monarch and sing about her baffles me
As stated before somewhere also...I told ones in work in Dublin that I would remove my Antrim tassles from my rear view mirror and not wear GAA gear in town when I return to belfast for fear of attack or whatever..they laughed like we were demented up here. By attack i mean i wouldn't leave my car in town,say edge of Sandy row with antrim paraphernalia in it or the window could be potentially smashed...something that you wouldn't have to think about in a normal society
I've went off tangent here but despite being born in Belfast I support the ROI with every bit of me...beating Romania in1990 on penalties sent me on a journey that won't end until death or a united irish team.
What is the official reason for not changing the national anthem? it really is a disgrace!
Also looking at the photos on Facebook, it looks like a mini 12th parade in the norn iron supporter zones with all their band parade flegs on show.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 18, 2016, 12:53:16 AM
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278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Any Unionist that I know who support tge Irish Rugby team have massive allegiance to a team which represents the Irish nation.
Th Ireland rugby team represents the island of Ireland I.e. RIO and NI. That is why unionists are happy to support the team.
You are basically following the Irish team that represents your community.Fact is that N Ireland is part of the U.K.,nationalists North and South endorsed this position as part of the Good Friday Agreement.IFA as I see it is entitled to use the UK national anthem therefore, and much as I would like it changed,I think to do so would alienate a lot of its supporters.I remember a few years ago,the IFA decided that God Save the Queen would not be played ahead of the IFA Cup Final between Cliftonville and Glentoran,presumably to ward off an afternoon of sectarianism (caused by one set of fans contempt for the anthem and the other set's unwarranted devotion to it), and was immediately faced with a delegation from the DUP big hitters who got an assurance this was only a temporary measure.
The reference to the Irish tricolour is irrelevant.Anyone with a basic understanding of Northern Unionism knows that the symbolism is irrelevant.At best unionism is oblivious to the Republic, or at worst hostile to and fearful of it,therefore any symbolism in the Republic flag is lost on them.
I will go to football games in Belfast or Dublin if I'm interested in a particular game or players participating in it.I will not let a piece of music or a coloured cloth deter me in any way.
Ok just a few things:
1. It's interesting to see how many of you sing the praises of the rugby men and have no problem with Ravenhill, yet they also bring the Ulster Flag (6 county version) to support a 9 county team, but the problem arises when it's the flag used for a 6 county team (ie the NI football team).
2. I think some of you would be very surprised about the overlap between NI football supporters and Ulster rugby supporters.
3. Don't get the Irish nation mixed up with the Irish rugby team. You don't have to be Scouse to support Liverpool.
4. The symbolism of the tricolour may be inclusive but if you seriously think that unionists feel represented by an orange stripe and therefore the flag you're deluded. The same argument could be made about the Union Flag by the way - the cross of St Patrick represents Ireland, so therefore represents you... Doesn't it? No, didn't think so.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
You are basically following the Irish team that represents your community.Fact is that N Ireland is part of the U.K.,nationalists North and South endorsed this position as part of the Good Friday Agreement.IFA as I see it is entitled to use the UK national anthem therefore, and much as I would like it changed,I think to do so would alienate a lot of its supporters.I remember a few years ago,the IFA decided that God Save the Queen would not be played ahead of the IFA Cup Final between Cliftonville and Glentoran,presumably to ward off an afternoon of sectarianism (caused by one set of fans contempt for the anthem and the other set's unwarranted devotion to it), and was immediately faced with a delegation from the DUP big hitters who got an assurance this was only a temporary measure.
The reference to the Irish tricolour is irrelevant.Anyone with a basic understanding of Northern Unionism knows that the symbolism is irrelevant.At best unionism is oblivious to the Republic, or at worst hostile to and fearful of it,therefore any symbolism in the Republic flag is lost on them.
I will go to football games in Belfast or Dublin if I'm interested in a particular game or players participating in it.I will not let a piece of music or a coloured cloth deter me in any way.
Tony you are a soccer fan who goes not out of a strong sense of identity but to enjoy the game and the players who play it which is fair enough. But when a sense of nation hood comes into it on an international basis then peoples sense of identity becomes a major part of it. Flags emblems and songs.
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278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Any Unionist that I know who support tge Irish Rugby team have massive allegiance to a team which represents the Irish nation.
Th Ireland rugby team represents the island of Ireland I.e. RIO and NI. That is why unionists are happy to support the team.
On that basis a united Ireland should be easy then one Irish team representing 32 counties has support of Unionisim so one parliment for 32 counties shouldn't be a problem then.
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278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Any Unionist that I know who support tge Irish Rugby team have massive allegiance to a team which represents the Irish nation.
Th Ireland rugby team represents the island of Ireland I.e. RIO and NI. That is why unionists are happy to support the team.
On that basis a united Ireland should be easy then one Irish team representing 32 counties has support of Unionisim so one parliment for 32 counties shouldn't be a problem then.
As part of the U.K.? Most unionists probably wouldn't have a major problem with the 26 defecting counties rejoining.
Ok Tonto, but why not a 'go it alone' 32 county parliament? We're nice enough down here.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Ok Tonto, but why not a 'go it alone' 32 county parliament? We're nice enough down here.
Probably for the same reason nationalists will never be unionists. Emotion. Identity.
Fair play to you Tonto.
Changing the anthem and the flag would be a great help as has been mentioned many times. Does any know why they needed to add blue to the kit? The old kits were always just green and white
tonto your wrong about ravenhill you would see more provincial flags and even south african flags than ulster banners. the cretins who bring the banner probably missed the memo about 10 years ago around about the same time Monaghan man Bowe burst on the scene and the slow realised ulster branch are actually responsible for those 'other' 3 counties aswell
Quote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
Fair play to you Tonto.
Changing the anthem and the flag would be a great help as has been mentioned many times. Does any know why they needed to add blue to the kit? The old kits were always just green and white
It would probably help those nationalists who would want to support them. For those of us who don't it means nothing and changing it would have no effect. One suspects that the IFA feel they have more to lose with change. But it is a further exemplar of the unwillingness of Unionists to compromise with us on symbols, which is why McGuinness is pissing against the wind with Arlene &Co.
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278 posts in :o
It's only taken 628 posts to blow my cover.
Thought I was doing a cracking job as a fifth columnist.
Don't be off joining M15 just yet I had be doubt's after reading only one of your posts.
Here is the question for you why is it that Unionist can feel comfortable supporting the Irish Rugby team in Dublin and nationalist/republicans don't feel the same level of comfort at Windsor Park ?
To be honest you'd have to ask a nationalist who doesn't feel comfortable at Windsor Pk or a unionist who goes to rugby that question. I'm neither.
Fair enough but I was asking you for an opinion.
Ok - maybe it's because unionists accept the legitimacy of the southern state even if they have no allegiance to it and are willing to respect the jurisdiction they are in, whilst nationalists have never accepted that NI has a right to exist?
Any Unionist that I know who support tge Irish Rugby team have massive allegiance to a team which represents the Irish nation.
Th Ireland rugby team represents the island of Ireland I.e. RIO and NI. That is why unionists are happy to support the team.
On that basis a united Ireland should be easy then one Irish team representing 32 counties has support of Unionisim so one parliment for 32 counties shouldn't be a problem then.
As part of the U.K.? Most unionists probably wouldn't have a major problem with the 26 defecting counties rejoining.
How can they be 26 defecting counties when in 1918, the democratic vote on this island was to establish an Irish Republic. The unionists in the north were the only defectors. It would be similar to an 'In' vote everywhere else in the UK next week apart from Kent and Surrey, so they set up their own state independent of the EU, find out anyone who voted in, and discriminating against them for the following century. You wouldn't call the rest of the U.K. defectors in that situation, I imagine.
Gold - you touched on why unionists want to be England and worship a 90 year old monarch. Why do England want to worship a 90 year old monarch and stand to an anthem about her? That has always baffled me. It's like Ireland standing to an anthem about Bono.
Yes the NI flag is baffling but the anthem thing is utterly laughable. For the English and particularly NI.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Ok Tonto, but why not a 'go it alone' 32 county parliament? We're nice enough down here.
Probably for the same reason nationalists will never be unionists. Emotion. Identity.
Fair enough, yet you expect nationalists in NI to be ok under a regime they have no.emotion or identity with.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 10:43:12 AM
Gold - you touched on why unionists want to be England and worship a 90 year old monarch. Why do England want to worship a 90 year old monarch and stand to an anthem about her? That has always baffled me. It's like Ireland standing to an anthem about Bono.
Yes the NI flag is baffling but the anthem thing is utterly laughable. For the English and particularly NI.
Why do Americans stand, hand on heart, to a flag with stars and stripes? Why do Gaa supporters stand and either sing or be quiet, for (most of) the Soldiers song?
A: Because most of the time, that is what they think they are supposed to do. There are exceptions of course when you might actually really feel like doing it, for example, if you won an Olympic medal it would probably really mean something to you and your family/friends/supporters. But more of the time it is probably just peer pressure and/or the power of suggestion.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Ok Tonto, but why not a 'go it alone' 32 county parliament? We're nice enough down here.
Probably for the same reason nationalists will never be unionists. Emotion. Identity.
Fair enough, yet you expect nationalists in NI to be ok under a regime they have no.emotion or identity with.
Accepting the state's right to exist and its current constitutional status is not the same as wanting it to exist. Politically nationalists accepted that in 1998, but mentally it's taking a wee while to process ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 10:43:12 AM
Gold - you touched on why unionists want to be England and worship a 90 year old monarch. Why do England want to worship a 90 year old monarch and stand to an anthem about her? That has always baffled me. It's like Ireland standing to an anthem about Bono.
Yes the NI flag is baffling but the anthem thing is utterly laughable. For the English and particularly NI.
The foundation of the 6 county state has nothing to do with Irish or Britishness but everything to do with religion being used to ensure the positions of landed gentry in the late 1700's onwards. Republicanism is rooted in the protestant reformed church. Wolftone, McCracken and Orr 1798. The Orange Order foundation and Organisation by the land owners of the time was established as a bullwork to the threat from Republicanism using religious differences to ensure the position of the establishment. Catholicism should have been more a kin to monarchist rule than Protestantism especially Presbyterians. Presbyterians should be more comfortable in a republic providing the state is seperate from the Catholic church. The more secterianism and the symbols of secterianism are erradicated in the North the greater the threat to the establishment. Thats why secterian symbols such as GSTQ flags and songs around the NI team will remain to ensure the divisions are maintained to some degree.
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 10:43:12 AM
Gold - you touched on why unionists want to be England and worship a 90 year old monarch. Why do England want to worship a 90 year old monarch and stand to an anthem about her? That has always baffled me. It's like Ireland standing to an anthem about Bono.
Yes the NI flag is baffling but the anthem thing is utterly laughable. For the English and particularly NI.
The foundation of the 6 county state has nothing to do with Irish or Britishness but everything to do with religion being used to ensure the positions of landed gentry in the late 1700's onwards. Republicanism is rooted in the protestant reformed church. Wolftone, McCracken and Orr 1798. The Orange Order foundation and Organisation by the land owners of the time was established as a bullwork to the threat from Republicanism using religious differences to ensure the position of the establishment. Catholicism should have been more a kin to monarchist rule than Protestantism especially Presbyterians. Presbyterians should be more comfortable in a republic providing the state is seperate from the Catholic church. The more secterianism and the symbols of secterianism are erradicated in the North the greater the threat to the establishment. Thats why secterian symbols such as GSTQ flags and songs around the NI team will remain to ensure the divisions are maintained to some degree.
Do you accept that to unionist they see flegs emblems of an Irish form as sectarianism? People need to be more tolerant of other peoples views culture and stand point.... Harping back to 1798 wolftone and all that means feck all in todays world... Sort out the here and now and stop with the history lessons..
The funny thing is if you'd have been born on the Shankill you'd be in France watching the n.i team and waving flegs
So in essence, if one side ignored the other sides methods of antagonising, the problem would go away? Ok so that's unlikely, but it would work to a certain extent.
Maybe if catholic areas put up NI/Union flags, eventually the message unionists are portraying flying same flags would lose it's meaning. And if Catholics all turned out on the 12th, in time that would lose it's meaning too.
I do think that politics is deliberately stoking the fires though, but if they thought more about what Unites us than divides, they'd have no reason for existing.
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Gold - you touched on why unionists want to be England and worship a 90 year old monarch. Why do England want to worship a 90 year old monarch and stand to an anthem about her? That has always baffled me. It's like Ireland standing to an anthem about Bono.
Yes the NI flag is baffling but the anthem thing is utterly laughable. For the English and particularly NI.
The foundation of the 6 county state has nothing to do with Irish or Britishness but everything to do with religion being used to ensure the positions of landed gentry in the late 1700's onwards. Republicanism is rooted in the protestant reformed church. Wolftone, McCracken and Orr 1798. The Orange Order foundation and Organisation by the land owners of the time was established as a bullwork to the threat from Republicanism using religious differences to ensure the position of the establishment. Catholicism should have been more a kin to monarchist rule than Protestantism especially Presbyterians. Presbyterians should be more comfortable in a republic providing the state is seperate from the Catholic church. The more secterianism and the symbols of secterianism are erradicated in the North the greater the threat to the establishment. Thats why secterian symbols such as GSTQ flags and songs around the NI team will remain to ensure the divisions are maintained to some degree.
Do you accept that to unionist they see flegs emblems of an Irish form as sectarianism? People need to be more tolerant of other peoples views culture and stand point.... Harping back to 1798 wolftone and all that means feck all in todays world... Sort out the here and now and stop with the history lessons..
The funny thing is if you'd have been born on the Shankill you'd be in France watching the n.i team and waving flegs
I would accept that flegs and emblems of an Irish form can be seen by Unionist as Sectarian. But you can't seperate the history from it as it is the history which sets the narrative for today and into the future. Sectarianism is the foubdation of the state and the DUP and co know without it they are toast. Thats why it will always have a place in Northern sport and politics. It might get watered down a bit so that Unionist's can point at the odd lukewarm nationalist supporting their team so they can claim the rest of them must be sectarian if they don't.
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Double standards?? Are you on glue? Can it be that going to Ravenhill can be about watch high standard professional rugby at a very welcoming environment that is on your doorstep? Are you continually going to politicize sport? Some fecking dinosaurs about
Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Ulster's pick does not stop at the border.
They are part of an All Ireland organisation.
You are as likely to see a 9 county ulstr flag as a 6 county NI one.
Ulster rugby is fine.
For ni football they will never be fully embraced with gstq, union jacks, rogue ulster flags and some of their songs. I still like to see them do well but never could feel part of it.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Stand up for the Ulstermen has a little more meaning when its actually a 9 county one. Try a night out at Ravenhill and I think you will find no secterian chants and very few secteriam emblems If any. It's a very welcoming place and the standards of the game top notch and the passion of the crowd is something to behold. Anyone in the crowd that would highlight a player for his religion or for origins in the ROI would be hunted out of the place.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Ok Tonto, but why not a 'go it alone' 32 county parliament? We're nice enough down here.
Probably for the same reason nationalists will never be unionists. Emotion. Identity.
Fair enough, yet you expect nationalists in NI to be ok under a regime they have no.emotion or identity with.
Accepting the state's right to exist and its current constitutional status is not the same as wanting it to exist. Politically nationalists accepted that in 1998, but mentally it's taking a wee while to process ;)
Tonto
I think the big problem that NI have is that for the most of us we have no affiliation to the statelet.
As a nationalist I went to to WW1 graves
Because the Irish volunteers lost as many as the uvf and I met a very decent guide who actually had served in Ireland as a soldier losing his mate in coalisland on his 18th birthday
He spoke to us and we had a fair chat about the 6 counties
His view was that 1921 was a mess that will never be sorted until unification
I appreciate that this doesn't suit where the unionist populace stands but it is what it is
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Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Double standards?? Are you on glue? Can it be that going to Ravenhill can be about watch high standard professional rugby at a very welcoming environment that is on your doorstep? Are you continually going to politicize sport? Some fecking dinosaurs about
Politicising sport? Maybe I missed something but is that not what this thread is doing. It was just a question I have no time for rugby and was asking what the difference was when Prob 90% of ravenhill would be unionist.
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Double standards?? Are you on glue? Can it be that going to Ravenhill can be about watch high standard professional rugby at a very welcoming environment that is on your doorstep? Are you continually going to politicize sport? Some fecking dinosaurs about
There is a double standard here. You are on here justifying the NI soccer team, the greatest politicisation of sport of any as it choose to represent a sectarian political entity rather than a geographical one. Despite you being the one promoting politics in sport you then come on here and accuse others of being bigots and of bringing politics into sport. Complete and utter hypocrisy, but par for the course.
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Quote from: snoopdog on June 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
I don't support Northern Ireland simply because I don't recognise it as a country. I do have a question though for those on here that follow rugby. Why do you think it's easier to go to ravenhill and support ulster rugby a bastion of unionism but won't support the noi football team? Double standards? Granted they don't play national anthems. Personally I think anthems before games are bollox in soccer internationals and all inter county gaa games. What's the point.
Double standards?? Are you on glue? Can it be that going to Ravenhill can be about watch high standard professional rugby at a very welcoming environment that is on your doorstep? Are you continually going to politicize sport? Some fecking dinosaurs about
Politicising sport? Maybe I missed something but is that not what this thread is doing. It was just a question I have no time for rugby and was asking what the difference was when Prob 90% of ravenhill would be unionist.
And the difference is the 90% are as passionate about supporting Ireland as the are about Ulster and religion or politics dose not come into it.
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Double standards?? Are you on glue? Can it be that going to Ravenhill can be about watch high standard professional rugby at a very welcoming environment that is on your doorstep? Are you continually going to politicize sport? Some fecking dinosaurs about
There is a double standard here. You are on here justifying the NI soccer team, the greatest politicisation of sport of any as it choose to represent a sectarian political entity rather than a geographical one. Despite you being the one promoting politics in sport you then come on here and accuse others of being bigots and of bringing politics into sport. Complete and utter hypocrisy, but par for the course.
Bring up a post that I justified n.i football team?? Its very simple in my view, FIFA have deemed n.i as a sporting country and as such given it that status, its not, its a state of Britain, but the sport has been supported by one side, it happens... Not the only country id imagine that doesn't have full support from all of its countrymen.. When did I promote politics in sport??
I've put up the definition of a bigot, read it and ask yourself if you are or not...
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Or that 20 odd years before their forefathers had received the German guns with which they intended to turn on their British masters if they didn't get their way. Loyalist has to be an acrename of some sorts.
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
To be fair there's a version of that song where you change 'German bombers' for [British] 'helicopters', and 'the RAF from Ulster' to 'the Ra from _____'.
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
So much for me not supporting the southern team because I never lived there, I found myself cheering them on hardcore during the Sweden game and again yesterday against the Belgian's, I am rooting for both teams from this Island to do well at the euros.
"southern team" ????
Coleman, McClean, Given..
Anyone from Munster on it at all??
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"southern team" ????
Coleman, McClean, Given..
Anyone from Munster on it at all??
O'Shea, Meyler, Long
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Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
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Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
To be fair there's a version of that song where you change 'German bombers' for [British] 'helicopters', and 'the RAF from Ulster' to 'the Ra from _____'.
Equally shite
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
Yep because that's when the legal UVF was formed... West and North Belfast got a good bombing .. The Falls baths was used as a temporary morgue..
I don't know the story of the Orange men not joining up during the second one
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
Not really relevant to soccer but in relation to WW2, state records show that Unionist Party tried and tried to get conscription brought in because of the poor recruitment rate in Northern Ireland throughout the war. Afterwards when it appear that there were more volunteers from "Eire" than Northern Ireland so serious efforts were made to cover that up. Robert Fisk reference these papers in "In time of War" book.
This picture from yesterday's Somme commemoration illustrates the contradiction better than anything. Obviously this lad wanted to commemorate the Ulster and British dead of WW1 but his markings suggest he might have mixed views about WW2:
(http://cdn-01.independent.ie/incoming/article34816249.ece/6d689/BINARY/swastika%2002.jpg)
/Jim.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
How many times? Dublin was bombed as well.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 20, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
Not really relevant to soccer but in relation to WW2, state records show that Unionist Party tried and tried to get conscription brought in because of the poor recruitment rate in Northern Ireland throughout the war. Afterwards when it appear that there were more volunteers from "Eire" than Northern Ireland so serious efforts were made to cover that up. Robert Fisk reference these papers in "In time of War" book.
This picture from yesterday's Somme commemoration illustrates the contradiction better than anything. Obviously this lad wanted to commemorate the Ulster and British dead of WW1 but his markings suggest he might have mixed views about WW2:
(http://cdn-01.independent.ie/incoming/article34816249.ece/6d689/BINARY/swastika%2002.jpg)
/Jim.
It's probably to remember where the original UVF got their guns from.
Could be a loyalist hindu
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
How many times? Dublin was bombed as well.
There were 900 killed in one night at Easter 1941 in Belfast and entire districts were removed, especially up towards the Antrim road. This was when Dev sent the fire engines.
Quote from: AQMP on June 21, 2016, 01:11:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36584934
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has said he is looking forward to attending his first Northern Ireland football match when the team take on Germany in Euro 2016 on Tuesday. He will be in France to watch the Northern Ireland game and the Republic of Ireland play Italy on Wednesday. Northern Ireland could qualify for the next round with a draw. Mr McGuinness said it was "an opportunity to reach out the hand of friendship". He told Good Morning Ulster that while he did not know the words to fan-favourite chant 'Will Grigg's On Fire', he was confident of getting a good response from Northern Ireland fans. "I just met a large group of fans here at the airport from the Northern Ireland fans club, and they were all looking photographs," he said. "So, if that's a barometer of where people's thoughts are at, it should be grand." "I do believe that sport has a unifying effect," he added. "The reports back from France have clearly shown that the fans of both Irish teams have been very, very well appreciated and well received. "Also the fact that they have come together whenever they meet each other on the street, it's very heartwarming that people appreciate how unifying sport can be for all of us." Mr McGuinness also said that while he had been to Windsor Park for football matches he had never seen Northern Ireland. "As a very keen sports fan and soccer fan, I am looking forward to these games. "It's tantalising given Michael O'Neill's team are playing against Germany, the world champions, and Italy, who were described as no-hopers before the competition, have now developed into one of the favourites."
Someone needs to ask him which team is his favourite. Because if results fall certain ways it could be between the two of them to go through.
Deputy First Minister for one team, Presidential candidate for the other...choices, Martin, choices.....
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 21, 2016, 01:11:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36584934
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has said he is looking forward to attending his first Northern Ireland football match when the team take on Germany in Euro 2016 on Tuesday. He will be in France to watch the Northern Ireland game and the Republic of Ireland play Italy on Wednesday. Northern Ireland could qualify for the next round with a draw. Mr McGuinness said it was "an opportunity to reach out the hand of friendship". He told Good Morning Ulster that while he did not know the words to fan-favourite chant 'Will Grigg's On Fire', he was confident of getting a good response from Northern Ireland fans. "I just met a large group of fans here at the airport from the Northern Ireland fans club, and they were all looking photographs," he said. "So, if that's a barometer of where people's thoughts are at, it should be grand." "I do believe that sport has a unifying effect," he added. "The reports back from France have clearly shown that the fans of both Irish teams have been very, very well appreciated and well received. "Also the fact that they have come together whenever they meet each other on the street, it's very heartwarming that people appreciate how unifying sport can be for all of us." Mr McGuinness also said that while he had been to Windsor Park for football matches he had never seen Northern Ireland. "As a very keen sports fan and soccer fan, I am looking forward to these games. "It's tantalising given Michael O'Neill's team are playing against Germany, the world champions, and Italy, who were described as no-hopers before the competition, have now developed into one of the favourites."
Someone needs to ask him which team is his favourite. Because if results fall certain ways it could be between the two of them to go through.
Deputy First Minister for one team, Presidential candidate for the other...choices, Martin, choices.....
/Jim.
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
He probably doesn't even know Ulster has 3 other counties.
SUFTUM!
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
He probably doesn't even know Ulster has 3 other counties.
SUFTUM!
/Jim.
My daughter was treated to several renditions of the Billy Boys on the train by their Loyal supporters on their way to the 'FANZONE'. All pissed already an especially delighted to have an obvious fenian (school uniform) to intimidate.
Hope the cnuts get bate 10
Quote from: passedit on June 21, 2016, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
He probably doesn't even know Ulster has 3 other counties.
SUFTUM!
/Jim.
My daughter was treated to several renditions of the Billy Boys on the train by their Loyal supporters on their way to the 'FANZONE'. All pissed already an especially delighted to have an obvious fenian (school uniform) to intimidate.
Hope the cnuts get bate 10
They can dress it up any way they like all nicey nicey but most of them are one pint or bottle of buckfast away from being knuckle draggers.
All the inclusion and fancy posters isnt going to change that.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 21, 2016, 04:27:28 PM
They can dress it up any way they like all nicey nicey but most of them are one pint or bottle of buckfast away from being knuckle draggers.
All the inclusion and fancy posters isnt going to change that.
Most of them or some of them in fairness.
There are plenty in the Republic's support you would avoid too. That's the soccer crowd for you.
The same lads serenading babies and fixing punctures in France would bate ten colours of shite out of you in Temple Bar of an evening.
/Jim.
Quote from: passedit on June 21, 2016, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
He probably doesn't even know Ulster has 3 other counties.
SUFTUM!
/Jim.
My daughter was treated to several renditions of the Billy Boys on the train by their Loyal supporters on their way to the 'FANZONE'. All pissed already an especially delighted to have an obvious fenian (school uniform) to intimidate.
Hope the cnuts get bate 10
That's a downright lie. Tonto says they don't do that sort of thing anymore. They have all been brainwashed into thinking differently.
Kroos had 54 passes in the first half. NI had 58
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 21, 2016, 04:27:28 PM
They can dress it up any way they like all nicey nicey but most of them are one pint or bottle of buckfast away from being knuckle draggers.
All the inclusion and fancy posters isnt going to change that.
Most of them or some of them in fairness.
There are plenty in the Republic's support you would avoid too. That's the soccer crowd for you.
The same lads serenading babies and fixing punctures in France would bate ten colours of shite out of you in Temple Bar of an evening.
/Jim.
That's the soccer crowd for you? Fcuk off would you. Im sure 99% of Irish fans out in France are also GAA fans.
Following a certain sport doesn't make you more inclined to bate the head off someone it just means you're a p***k.
Plenty of unsavoury types follow GAA as well.
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
Kroos had 54 passes in the first half. NI had 58
That's an unbelievable statistic. My God.
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Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 20, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
Not really relevant to soccer but in relation to WW2, state records show that Unionist Party tried and tried to get conscription brought in because of the poor recruitment rate in Northern Ireland throughout the war. Afterwards when it appear that there were more volunteers from "Eire" than Northern Ireland so serious efforts were made to cover that up. Robert Fisk reference these papers in "In time of War" book.
This picture from yesterday's Somme commemoration illustrates the contradiction better than anything. Obviously this lad wanted to commemorate the Ulster and British dead of WW1 but his markings suggest he might have mixed views about WW2:
(http://cdn-01.independent.ie/incoming/article34816249.ece/6d689/BINARY/swastika%2002.jpg)
/Jim.
It's probably to remember where the original UVF got their guns from.
A Manx man with a big tool?
Quote from: laoislad on June 21, 2016, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 21, 2016, 04:27:28 PM
They can dress it up any way they like all nicey nicey but most of them are one pint or bottle of buckfast away from being knuckle draggers.
All the inclusion and fancy posters isnt going to change that.
Most of them or some of them in fairness.
There are plenty in the Republic's support you would avoid too. That's the soccer crowd for you.
The same lads serenading babies and fixing punctures in France would bate ten colours of shite out of you in Temple Bar of an evening.
/Jim.
That's the soccer crowd for you? Fcuk off would you. Im sure 99% of Irish fans out in France are also GAA fans.
Following a certain sport doesn't make you more inclined to bate the head off someone it just means you're a p***k.
Plenty of unsavoury types follow GAA as well.
That's my point. Sweeping generalisations about Republic fans doesn't go down well here. But we let it slide that
most OWC followers are "knuckle draggers"
/ Jim
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Quote from: passedit on June 21, 2016, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 21, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 21, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
I think Martin and the Shinners are firmly OWCers now.
He probably doesn't even know Ulster has 3 other counties.
SUFTUM!
/Jim.
My daughter was treated to several renditions of the Billy Boys on the train by their Loyal supporters on their way to the 'FANZONE'. All pissed already an especially delighted to have an obvious fenian (school uniform) to intimidate.
Hope the cnuts get bate 10
That's a downright lie. Tonto says they don't do that sort of thing anymore. They have all been brainwashed into thinking differently.
Sadly I never said that we didn't have some hangers on that have probably never darkened the door of Windsor Park.
If I had been posting this up 5 hours ago, I would have said entirely honestly that I genuinely didn't remember the last time (if ever) I heard Billy Boys being sung. Sadly, as I left the fanzone earlier I did hear a group of utter scumbags singing it as I was walking passed the Odyssey. I can only say, that quite bizarrely none of them were wearing NI colours and they were booed by other NI fans who started to sing Green and White Army.
On behalf of NI fans, can I say how embarrassed I am for their behaviour and how sorry I am for the ordeal suffered by anyone who had to listen to it.
Congrats to the north for qualifying for the last 16 an amazing feat when you only have 40 professional footballers. How that german game finished 1 nil I will never know. Mcgovern was brilliant .
Hopefully our boys will get a win tomorrow and join you in the last 16.
McGovern doesn't even have a club.
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
Kroos had 54 passes in the first half. NI had 58
And still through to Saturday game... Madness, hopefully the boys get the win tomorrow against Italy, be a full sweep then
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 19, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
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Quote from: general_lee on June 18, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Hard to take the IFA seriously about inclusively etc when they have no notion of changing flag/anthem. The NI team is a large component of the pul identity so obviously the majority of fans would oppose any such moves. Personally I'd go to a game alright and stand for the anthem as a basic show of respect, even though it makes me cringe if anything. Not half as much at that lot with the Lambeg drum singing about German bombers, didn't realise ulster played such a big role in raf ww2 battles??
Belfast was bombed big time during the war... The Falls took a major hit
I've heard it said that the orange order wasn't as active during ww2 because there were so many fit men who would have been called to fight if they were seen to be out marching. I know belfast got blitzed... The emphasis seems to be on ww1 however when it comes to constantly commemorating though??
Yep because that's when the legal UVF was formed... West and North Belfast got a good bombing .. The Falls baths was used as a temporary morgue..
I don't know the story of the Orange men not joining up during the second one
The f**kers all joined reserved occupations like the shipyard. Loyal to the crown my hole
Quote from: snoopdog on June 21, 2016, 10:59:28 PM
Congrats to the north for qualifying for the last 16 an amazing feat when you only have 40 professional footballers. How that german game finished 1 nil I will never know. Mcgovern was brilliant .
Hopefully our boys will get a win tomorrow and join you in the last 16.
Yep - really hoping that your boys do it tomorrow but also for very selfish reasons. If your lot can win then the third place team from E should put out the Turks and we would probably be facing Wales rather than France this weekend. So there'll be at least one member of the GAWA cheering you on tomorrow :)
They'll bate Wales, on penalties, after a 0-0 draw which sees a Norn Iron defender sent off after 66 mins.
They'll be bate by France 4-1, despite taking a 1-0 lead when Kyle Lafferty scores from a corner in the second minute.
Whilst the IFA has paid mere lip service to eradicating sectarianism and has done absolutely zero in attempting to attract nationalist support, in fact has firther alienated nationalists by attempting to bar nationalist kids from playing for the Republic via the courts in ther most shameful act in recent years, it's heartening to see that despite this, for the greater part NI fans of their own volition have become more reflective of the northern workplace - largely respectful and leaving politics at the door. Long may it continue but the band of unemployable knuckledraggers will always still try to hold sway. Best ignored and given no publicity.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2016, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 21, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
Kroos had 54 passes in the first half. NI had 58
And still through to Saturday game... Madness, hopefully the boys get the win tomorrow against Italy, be a full sweep then
That woukd be super
A great achievement for NI and a super showcase for the players
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 21, 2016, 11:09:59 PM
Whilst the IFA has paid mere lip service to eradicating sectarianism and has done absolutely zero in attempting to attract nationalist support, in fact has firther alienated nationalists by attempting to bar nationalist kids from playing for the Republic via the courts in ther most shameful act in recent years, it's heartening to see that despite this, for the greater part NI fans of their own volition have become more reflective of the northern workplace - largely respectful and leaving politics at the door. Long may it continue but the band of unemployable knuckledraggers will always still try to hold sway. Best ignored and given no publicity.
Would younger Nordies tend to be less bigoted ?They grew up in more normal times.
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
I dont think Unionism won. The UK Is going through serious convulsions similar to those of 100 years ago and thèse could result in a breakup. Unionism Is incoherent. There is no going back to the notion of a protestant state for a protestant people. It is a long game that will end in a diluted UI.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
You can say that a thousand times, its a state and not a country..... but in FIFA's eyes its a recognised as a sporting country and given that status...In the eyes of everyone outside of Britain its seen as a country like Wales and Scotland.. all of the nationalist that voted SF into government have accepted the status quo.. otherwise why would they have the largest nationalist vote?
You should start sending FIFA an objection letter stating Norn Iron is not a country and should therefore be stripped of its place in the Euros
As for wondering what the 35 years of troubles was for? Nothing, senseless murders, bombings, people going to jail for 20 odd years, losing their families their health, their sanity in a lot of cases.... no job prospects either.... I think we'd have got to this point eventually, probably sooner and with a lot less bitterness between both sides I'd suspect
Unionism has won nothing. Sure they're that insecure they need a border round norn iron.
I don't mind seeing ni do well and most of their fans are fine. Still can't fully relate to it but like to see them do well. They will have some fans who are idots but i go to ireland matches and at last euros there was a guy beside me shouting ira during the fields of athenry. You get them.
There are still very entrenched areas on both sides in ni so there always be bigots but they are getting less.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
You can say that a thousand times, its a state and not a country..... but in FIFA's eyes its a recognised as a sporting country and given that status...In the eyes of everyone outside of Britain its seen as a country like Wales and Scotland.. all of the nationalist that voted SF into government have accepted the status quo.. otherwise why would they have the largest nationalist vote?
You should start sending FIFA an objection letter stating Norn Iron is not a country and should therefore be stripped of its place in the Euros
As for wondering what the 35 years of troubles was for? Nothing, senseless murders, bombings, people going to jail for 20 odd years, losing their families their health, their sanity in a lot of cases.... no job prospects either.... I think we'd have got to this point eventually, probably sooner and with a lot less bitterness between both sides I'd suspect
I don't really see any other way it could have played out though, with our history of rebellion and the nature of the state at the time if it hadn't kicked of in 69 it would have anyway in the decade or so following it, with a system like the Orange state violent insurgence is pretty much inevitable.
Quote from: MoChara on June 22, 2016, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
You can say that a thousand times, its a state and not a country..... but in FIFA's eyes its a recognised as a sporting country and given that status...In the eyes of everyone outside of Britain its seen as a country like Wales and Scotland.. all of the nationalist that voted SF into government have accepted the status quo.. otherwise why would they have the largest nationalist vote?
You should start sending FIFA an objection letter stating Norn Iron is not a country and should therefore be stripped of its place in the Euros
As for wondering what the 35 years of troubles was for? Nothing, senseless murders, bombings, people going to jail for 20 odd years, losing their families their health, their sanity in a lot of cases.... no job prospects either.... I think we'd have got to this point eventually, probably sooner and with a lot less bitterness between both sides I'd suspect
I don't really see any other way it could have played out though, with our history of rebellion and the nature of the state at the time if it hadn't kicked of in 69 it would have anyway in the decade or so following it, with a system like the Orange state violent insurgence is pretty much inevitable.
Plenty of countries, sorry states had wholesale discrimination going on, with jobs housing and the rest ... but the violence here was more to do with getting the 'Brits' out of the North, so actually had nothing to do with civil rights and 69...
We'll never know if it was inevitable .... the outlook now by most people that live here is that they wont allow that to happen again.. you still have tension, you still have bigots on both sides and you still have division but the murders have stopped, the discrimination has gone ... I think these things go with the times and as people become more educated then the natural thing is to have a more balanced living, ensuring equality and good prospects for everyone.... unfortunately you'll always have ones harping on about the past, but Jesus lads, enjoy the here and now, you only get one go at this
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: MoChara on June 22, 2016, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 22, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I would say the majority of those supporting NI are ordinary decent people, like the fans of most teams. My objection remains that it is not and never will be a country. Legally it is a region of the UK (a country) and to me 6 counties of the 9 county province of Ulster. I'd say the IFA might have more support from younger catholics especially if the dropped the sectarian fleg and GSTQ. But I wonder what the 35 years of the troubles were about as I see McGuinness and the uncle Toms from the nationalist community accept the narrative of this great wee country of ours. Unionism has won and this is exemplified in this team. The Ulster Banner a loyalist invention is now ubiquitous in representing this part of the world in everything.
You can say that a thousand times, its a state and not a country..... but in FIFA's eyes its a recognised as a sporting country and given that status...In the eyes of everyone outside of Britain its seen as a country like Wales and Scotland.. all of the nationalist that voted SF into government have accepted the status quo.. otherwise why would they have the largest nationalist vote?
You should start sending FIFA an objection letter stating Norn Iron is not a country and should therefore be stripped of its place in the Euros
As for wondering what the 35 years of troubles was for? Nothing, senseless murders, bombings, people going to jail for 20 odd years, losing their families their health, their sanity in a lot of cases.... no job prospects either.... I think we'd have got to this point eventually, probably sooner and with a lot less bitterness between both sides I'd suspect
I don't really see any other way it could have played out though, with our history of rebellion and the nature of the state at the time if it hadn't kicked of in 69 it would have anyway in the decade or so following it, with a system like the Orange state violent insurgence is pretty much inevitable.
Plenty of countries, sorry states had wholesale discrimination going on, with jobs housing and the rest ... but the violence here was more to do with getting the 'Brits' out of the North, so actually had nothing to do with civil rights and 69...
We'll never know if it was inevitable .... the outlook now by most people that live here is that they wont allow that to happen again.. you still have tension, you still have bigots on both sides and you still have division but the murders have stopped, the discrimination has gone ... I think these things go with the times and as people become more educated then the natural thing is to have a more balanced living, ensuring equality and good prospects for everyone.... unfortunately you'll always have ones harping on about the past, but Jesus lads, enjoy the here and now, you only get one go at this
That one go for me does not rely on the fortunes of the 6 county football team thank god.
I suspect when we get our All Ireland sovereign State that the " North Eastern autonomous region" will continue to have a separate international soccer team.
Talking about dicks I believe some members of the " greatest supporters in the world" have a James McClean song which isn't very inclusive ;)
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
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Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
Was it not?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
free education started in the 60s . Unionism is very like Zionism. It had a defeated population and it kept them faoi smacht for 2 generations. And no more. You can't educate people and expect them to put up with institutionalised bigotry
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
I think the reference is to the Atlee government post war years and the 1944 Education reforms where provision for post primary and 3rd level education became available free to the Catholic people
It's one thing to discriminated against poorly educated and organised people its another to attempt it with educated people. Civil rights leaders of the 60's were the first beneficiaries of the post war education reforms Hume Curry McAliskey, McCluskey etc. O aye and Gerry he was at the meeting too apparently.
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They can dress it up any way they like all nicey nicey but most of them are one pint or bottle of buckfast away from being knuckle draggers.
All the inclusion and fancy posters isnt going to change that.
Most of them or some of them in fairness.
There are plenty in the Republic's support you would avoid too. That's the soccer crowd for you.
The same lads serenading babies and fixing punctures in France would bate ten colours of shite out of you in Temple Bar of an evening.
/Jim.
That's the soccer crowd for you? Fcuk off would you. Im sure 99% of Irish fans out in France are also GAA fans.
Following a certain sport doesn't make you more inclined to bate the head off someone it just means you're a p***k.
Plenty of unsavoury types follow GAA as well.
Unless they're from Laois who wouldn't bother going anyway. And this: http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/top-kinahan-gang-member-spotted-at-euros-in-bordeaux-34815426.html
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
free education started in the 60s . Unionism is very like Zionism. It had a defeated population and it kept them faoi smacht for 2 generations. And no more. You can't educate people and expect them to put up with institutionalised bigotry
I didn't, I gave you the timelines, once these things were put in place it was up to the catholics to apply for these jobs, all the major companies had to comply with equality.... education standards I would say would have been no different on any side of the street you lived on.... fear was the main thing for catholics starting jobs in the east of the city and with good reason...and all I'm saying is that we didn't need to blow people up to get it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
Catholics didn't apply because they were f**king black holes and life-threatening places to be for a Catholic.
My oul fella worked for Shorts in the 70's and besides the normal intimidation of wrapping union flags around his machine and such jolly japes he was attacked on numerous occasion and had to leave after a warning from the RUC that he was going to be shot. But rather than your "sure wasn't it all great" narrative, both firms were dangerous places for Catholics right up to the mid 90s.
Maurice O'Kane -- murdered in H&W 1994
Joe Reynolds -- murdered in Shorts 1993
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Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
Was it not?
you're the one who said it was, Show your workings or admit you're bullshitting.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
free education started in the 60s . Unionism is very like Zionism. It had a defeated population and it kept them faoi smacht for 2 generations. And no more. You can't educate people and expect them to put up with institutionalised bigotry
I didn't, I gave you the timelines, once these things were put in place it was up to the catholics to apply for these jobs, all the major companies had to comply with equality.... education standards I would say would have been no different on any side of the street you lived on.... fear was the main thing for catholics starting jobs in the east of the city and with good reason...and all I'm saying is that we didn't need to blow people up to get it
1960's civil rights movement was modelled on the African American movement of Kings. Originally it was largely pacifist in nature. This was meet with violent resistance from the state and Unionist population from the first civil rights movement between Coalisland and Dungannon being blocked from entering the square. To the 68 attack ny the RUC on the Civil Rights march in Derry. Burntollet and the Bombay St clearances in Belfast. Given Irish history's long association with violent rebellion it was only a matter of time that things would degenerate. Had Unionisim followed ONeills leadership things may have been different.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
Was it not?
you're the one who said it was, Show your workings or admit you're bullshitting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_civil_rights_movement
I'm sure there are plenty of examples of what I said in my post, hijacked to a
certain extent by SF
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 22, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 22, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
Was it not?
you're the one who said it was, Show your workings or admit you're bullshitting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_civil_rights_movement
I'm sure there are plenty of examples of what I said in my post, hijacked to a certain extent by SF
SF not mentioned to
any extent in your link? Must do better, show your workings.
Didn't Paisley oppose the CR marches and their aims? How dare those taigs think they're equal to us. It was alright trodding on them for decades, and they knew their place, but when they demand equal rights, we'll have to do something about that!! It sums up a lot of the unionist thinking at the time (and still).
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Once free education started the PSFPP was dead. Some protestants lived in bad conditions too but overall the system favoured them. Social housing was allocated on the basis of religion as were many jobs. Between 1969 and now a lot of Protestant jobs disappeared. Loyalist communities are still dealing with the implications.
There was always free education, free school meals too when I grew up and I went to school in the 70's..... Had this argument before about the shipyard and Shorts ... yep massive discrimination there even when I started as an apprentice there in 88 there was only 4 of us out of 30 that started... equal opportunities came in 86 possibly I'm not sure but what had happen was that because of the discrimination up to the time the equality commission was set up most Catholics didn't apply for the shipyard and Shorts as it was a cold house
I spoke to the training manager years later and he said they could get catholics to apply (due to what had went on in the past) they went to schools and training facilities to promote but this stuff was ingrained in a lot of people in working class catholic areas, as it was for me, but the money was good and they had further education and I was my own person, I didn't follow what others said or told me and found things out for myself, unlike you ;)
free education started in the 60s . Unionism is very like Zionism. It had a defeated population and it kept them faoi smacht for 2 generations. And no more. You can't educate people and expect them to put up with institutionalised bigotry
I didn't, I gave you the timelines, once these things were put in place it was up to the catholics to apply for these jobs, all the major companies had to comply with equality.... education standards I would say would have been no different on any side of the street you lived on.... fear was the main thing for catholics starting jobs in the east of the city and with good reason...and all I'm saying is that we didn't need to blow people up to get it
I'd disagree with this point and its one of the few things I'd give the Catholic church a bit of credence here (even if it was self serving) in so much that it was literally hammered it into you that you needed a good education to get a job.
On easy street you left school at 16 not a scrap of paper to your name and yer uncle Sammy got you a good job in the shipyard/Shorts/Civil service where you worked for as long as you wanted.
I've met lads in similar industries to these who'd worked their way up to senior managerial positions without a qualification to their name and one even remarked to me that he couldn't believe that the firm we both worked for now had a Gaelic football team entering inter-firms competitions as "in my day before we shut for the twelfth, everyone who was in a band brought their instruments in and they marched up and down the shop floor before heading out the door"
No wonder they went ballistic when those uppity taigs wanted a fair crack at it!
Quote from: BennyCake on June 22, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
Didn't Paisley oppose the CR marches and their aims? How dare those taigs think they're equal to us. It was alright trodding on them for decades, and they knew their place, but when they demand equal rights, we'll have to do something about that!! It sums up a lot of the unionist thinking at the time (and still).
TUV, a lot of DUP and various brands of Fleggers are still of the view that the place for Taigs is over the Border.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
MR the catalyst for the war was economic discrimination. Many Catholics lived in shocking conditions and were discriminated against systematically for jobs. NI has always been grubby.
Social depravation on both sides, you obviously have not been working in the estates in Ballybeen, Shankill, Rathcoole and the rest... being discriminated against does not mean going out and bombing people.
The civil rights movement was hijacked to a certain extent by SF
It's exam time so show your workings.
Was it not?
you're the one who said it was, Show your workings or admit you're bullshitting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_civil_rights_movement
I'm sure there are plenty of examples of what I said in my post, hijacked to a certain extent by SF
Milltown your not doing much of Job convincing us that the civil rights was hijacked by SF. I think it was the violent reaction to the initial Civil rights movement which spawned the re construction of the republican independence campaign.
There are plenty links in that wiki mentioning republican influences within the civil rights which changed it from peace marches to violence petrol bombs and shootings.... Now if that wasn't organized by Marty and his mates then who? Hume? Get a grip ffs
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 07:47:18 PM
There are plenty links in that wiki mentioning republican influences within the civil rights which changed it from peace marches to violence petrol bombs and shootings.... Now if that wasn't organized by Marty and his mates then who? Hume? Get a grip ffs
The state made no concessions so violence was inevitable.Same in the 80s with Thatcher
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
f**k sake lads do you never get fed up going over this stuff? It was always a sectarian thread from the outset, but at least there was some sort of focus on 2016 in it.
Thread on team representing sectarian place, what do you expect?
So the provos weren't yet formed but infriltrated the nicra... ok
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2016, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
So, still waiting for the Sinn Fein references.
Or by SF did you mean SF/IRA / them feenyuns.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2016, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
The unionists thought there was a level of violence that would stop the Taigs.
I can't think of one divided community left behind by the British empire that reached stability without violence.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PMUnionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as ... the Gaelic Athletic Association ... would only confirm their suspicions.
Is this a quote or did you write this?
Quote from: Hardy on June 23, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PMUnionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as ... the Gaelic Athletic Association ... would only confirm their suspicions.
Is this a quote or did you write this?
Quote....
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 22, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
Didn't Paisley oppose the CR marches and their aims? How dare those taigs think they're equal to us. It was alright trodding on them for decades, and they knew their place, but when they demand equal rights, we'll have to do something about that!! It sums up a lot of the unionist thinking at the time (and still).
TUV, a lot of DUP and various brands of Fleggers are still of the view that the place for Taigs is over the Border.
The same way, some Nationalists / Republicans think Unionists should be back in GB. Assholes on both sides.
Quote from: passedit on June 23, 2016, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2016, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
So, still waiting for the Sinn Fein references.
Or by SF did you mean SF/IRA / them feenyuns.
Is there a difference? I can take SF out and change it republican if that keeps you happy, because Martin, Gerry and the rest of our politicians were not members of the IRA....
NI must have a decent chance against Wales
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 22, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
Didn't Paisley oppose the CR marches and their aims? How dare those taigs think they're equal to us. It was alright trodding on them for decades, and they knew their place, but when they demand equal rights, we'll have to do something about that!! It sums up a lot of the unionist thinking at the time (and still).
TUV, a lot of DUP and various brands of Fleggers are still of the view that the place for Taigs is over the Border.
The same way, some Nationalists / Republicans think Unionists should be back in GB. Assholes on both sides.
How manyfof these "some Nationalists / Republicans" get elected?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 23, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 22, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
Didn't Paisley oppose the CR marches and their aims? How dare those taigs think they're equal to us. It was alright trodding on them for decades, and they knew their place, but when they demand equal rights, we'll have to do something about that!! It sums up a lot of the unionist thinking at the time (and still).
TUV, a lot of DUP and various brands of Fleggers are still of the view that the place for Taigs is over the Border.
The same way, some Nationalists / Republicans think Unionists should be back in GB. Assholes on both sides.
How manyfof these "some Nationalists / Republicans" get elected?
Didn't Danny Morrisson refer to the unionist community as 'the boat people'?
Quote from: michaelg on June 23, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Didn't Danny Morrisson refer to the unionist community as 'the boat people'?
Did he? I was curious and Googled. The only reference to it was from a Johnny Adair obsessed loon who also thinks Danny Morrison was an MP.
The IFA represented the whole of Ireland, until the south decided it wanted a new team.
The IFA continued under the name of Ireland right up until the 1970's, although they stopped accepting players from the South in the 50's due to a FIFA ruling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_national_football_team_(1882%E2%80%931950)
Makes interesting reading.
As far as I am concerned both teams are from Ireland, and support both teams equally. (Although don't actually have much interest in Soccer).
My Dad and brother have always supported NI, my Dad supported George Best and Pat Jennings so to him it was natural to support the North as that was who they played for.
I don't care what anthem they sing under, I will support an Irish team.
Quote from: Lazer on June 23, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
The IFA represented the whole of Ireland, until the south decided it wanted a new team.
The IFA continued under the name of Ireland right up until the 1970's, although they stopped accepting players from the South in the 50's due to a FIFA ruling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_national_football_team_(1882%E2%80%931950)
Makes interesting reading.
As far as I am concerned both teams are from Ireland, and support both teams equally. (Although don't actually have much interest in Soccer).
My Dad and brother have always supported NI, my Dad supported George Best and Pat Jennings so to him it was natural to support the North as that was who they played for.
I don't care what anthem they sing under, I will support an Irish team.
I would doubt there is much appetite from the IFA to move towards one team despite the obvious advantages for both parties.
One league at club level would be a step forwards as well I would imagine in terms of improving the quality on both sides of the border.
Quote from: Lazer on June 23, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
The IFA represented the whole of Ireland, until the south decided it wanted a new team.
The IFA continued under the name of Ireland right up until the 1970's, although they stopped accepting players from the South in the 50's due to a FIFA ruling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_national_football_team_(1882%E2%80%931950)
Makes interesting reading.
As far as I am concerned both teams are from Ireland, and support both teams equally. (Although don't actually have much interest in Soccer).
My Dad and brother have always supported NI, my Dad supported George Best and Pat Jennings so to him it was natural to support the North as that was who they played for.
I don't care what anthem they sing under, I will support an Irish team.
Even if the association and its followers don't view themselves as
Irish?
Quote from: NAG1 on June 23, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: Lazer on June 23, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
The IFA represented the whole of Ireland, until the south decided it wanted a new team.
The IFA continued under the name of Ireland right up until the 1970's, although they stopped accepting players from the South in the 50's due to a FIFA ruling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_national_football_team_(1882%E2%80%931950)
Makes interesting reading.
As far as I am concerned both teams are from Ireland, and support both teams equally. (Although don't actually have much interest in Soccer).
My Dad and brother have always supported NI, my Dad supported George Best and Pat Jennings so to him it was natural to support the North as that was who they played for.
I don't care what anthem they sing under, I will support an Irish team.
Even if the association and its followers don't view themselves as Irish?
The Association calls itself the
Irish Football Association, and views itself as Northern
Irish so yes I will support them.
Many unionists actually do consider themselves Irish, in the same way as the Welsh are both Welsh and British, among the older unionists (The non bitter ones) they see themselves as both British and Irish. The young generation seem to identify as Northern Irish and British (I don't agree that there is really such a thing as Northern Irish - but respect someones right to identify however they choose).
Sport is entirely separate to politics and religion (Or at least should be), so yes I will support a team that people from my country play for.
David Healy lives about 10 mile from me, and probably a few other NI players, so yes I will support them, and equally support the Republic of Ireland,
Later, no wonder you are supporting Brexit!
We live in a divided society, to me the anthem matters only from the point of view that it reinforces the resistance from unionists to equality in the North. Changing the anthem wouldn't make me support the team. It just shows a lack of respect to those from the catholic tradition who do support and play for the team.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Later, no wonder you are supporting Brexit!
What does me supporting both Irish teams have to do with me supporting a Brexit?
Quote from: Lazer on June 23, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Later, no wonder you are supporting Brexit!
What does me supporting both Irish teams have to do with me supporting a Brexit?
You like partition.
GSTQ is not appropriate when half the people owe zero loyalty to Liz.
Unionism has this artificial essence that means its symbols become existential.
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Quote from: Lazer on June 23, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Later, no wonder you are supporting Brexit!
What does me supporting both Irish teams have to do with me supporting a Brexit?
You like partition.
No actually I don't recognise the legitimacy of partition, Ireland is an Island, and is one country, which is why I support both Irish teams, they are both from Ireland.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
So, still waiting for the Sinn Fein references.
Or by SF did you mean SF/IRA / them feenyuns.
Is there a difference? I can take SF out and change it republican if that keeps you happy, because Martin, Gerry and the rest of our politicians were not members of the IRA....
Given that you have managed to traduce both the Civil Rights Movement and the GAA in the same thread, I'd say it would be most appropriate for you to use them feenyuns.
Quote from: passedit on June 23, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2016, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 23, 2016, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2016, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
On 4 October 1968, a day before NICRA's Derry march, the IRA admitted that it was infiltrating the civil rights movement as well as trade unions.
The Northern Ireland government accused NICRA of being a front for republican and communist ideologies. Unionists suspected that NICRA was a front for the IRA. The involvement of republicans such as IRA chief of staff Cathal Goulding, the Irish National Foresters, the Gaelic Athletic Association, and the Wolfe Tone Societies, would only confirm their suspicions.
Once internment was introduced the civil rights group lost its way, they wanted to reform the state, not bring it down... So what ended up was republicans trying to bring the state to its knees through the bombings and shootings.... What we have in the end is a republican and loyalist partnership in Stormont ... Makes you wonder about the families that lost love ones and years lost easting away in jails...
Would we have got were we are today (wherever that is) without the deaths??
What the war did was destroy the NI economy. Marching up and down the shop floor is great craic as long as you have customers. Unionism retreated into law and order and the world moved on.
I think it is very hard to give up a caste system peacefully. Ô Neill was right but the people went with Paisley . He fucked everything up.
So the deaths were part of that?? Must have been nice for you in Galway while the shit went down here
So, still waiting for the Sinn Fein references.
Or by SF did you mean SF/IRA / them feenyuns.
Is there a difference? I can take SF out and change it republican if that keeps you happy, because Martin, Gerry and the rest of our politicians were not members of the IRA....
Given that you have managed to traduce both the Civil Rights Movement and the GAA in the same thread, I'd say it would be most appropriate for you to use them feenyuns.
So I've done my working out and now I'm a liar? Gaa? did I make those quotes up? Take the silly romantic tainted glasses off and have a look around you
Guys, to support or otherwise the NI team is a personal choice. Some catholics/nationalists can look past partition, GSTQ, the party songs and the loyalist rag, I just can't probably because of my age. I choose to support the Irish team as it reflects my background and identity.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 24, 2016, 09:21:20 AM
Guys, to support or otherwise the NI team is a personal choice. Some catholics/nationalists can look past partition, GSTQ, the party songs and the loyalist rag, I just can't probably because of my age. I choose to support the Irish team as it reflects my background and identity.
+1
Have to hand it to Kyle Lafferty. That lad is thinking positively. Undeterred by NI's fair from perfect - Played 3 Won 1 Lost 2 GD 0 - record, he's predicting that they fear no one and can go all the way
Quote from: Nigel White on June 25, 2016, 01:09:16 PM
Have to hand it to Kyle Lafferty. That lad is thinking positively. Undeterred by NI's fair from perfect - Played 3 Won 1 Lost 2 GD 0 - record, he's predicting that they fear no one and can go all the way
Would rather have positive response that the sure we're only here for the craic!! The guy can be a p***k at times but that's a positive statement....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel White on June 25, 2016, 01:09:16 PM
Have to hand it to Kyle Lafferty. That lad is thinking positively. Undeterred by NI's fair from perfect - Played 3 Won 1 Lost 2 GD 0 - record, he's predicting that they fear no one and can go all the way
Would rather have positive response that the sure we're only here for the craic!! The guy can be a p***k at times but that's a positive statement....
Its a bullshit statement from a lad who's a p***k all of the time
Just the one taig playing today then.
Come on Wales.
Brutal game so far.
Had luck norn irn. Fans very well regarded in France.
Good luck with Brexit. I can't imagine sharing a political unit with DUP voters.
Thank God for that... :)
I knew someone would bale them out eventually.
Quote from: Nigel White on June 25, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel White on June 25, 2016, 01:09:16 PM
Have to hand it to Kyle Lafferty. That lad is thinking positively. Undeterred by NI's fair from perfect - Played 3 Won 1 Lost 2 GD 0 - record, he's predicting that they fear no one and can go all the way
Would rather have positive response that the sure we're only here for the craic!! The guy can be a p***k at times but that's a positive statement....
Its a bullshit statement from a lad who's a p***k all of the time
It is...i stated that he's has said and acted a dick
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Had luck norn irn. Fans very well regarded in France.
Good luck with Brexit. I can't imagine sharing a political unit with DUP voters.
So you would be against a United Ireland.
Quote from: dec on June 26, 2016, 01:52:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Had luck norn irn. Fans very well regarded in France.
Good luck with Brexit. I can't imagine sharing a political unit with DUP voters.
So you would be against a United Ireland.
I think the DUP would be wound up in the case of a UI
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Quote from: dec on June 26, 2016, 01:52:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Had luck norn irn. Fans very well regarded in France.
Good luck with Brexit. I can't imagine sharing a political unit with DUP voters.
So you would be against a United Ireland.
I think the DUP would be wound up in the case of a UI
The very thought of it winds them up.
Why did some on here want NI to lose?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
LOL is that it?! Take a redner son.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2016, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
LOL is that it?! Take a redner son.
Okay, Dad.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Of course sectarianism is not a one way street. If you get sectarian teams and entities creating that atmosphere you'll always get some bollixes more than happy to join in.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2016, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Of course sectarianism is not a one way street. If you get sectarian teams and entities creating that atmosphere you'll always get some bollixes more than happy to join in.
Not something you have conceded before.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
I personally wouldn't be offended if anyone sang f**k the Pope.
I dunno what your agenda is. Both teams had good tournaments and both sets of fans enjoyed themselves and 99.9% of them fans behaved themselves. Loads of reports of ROI and NI fans mixing well together also.
The video you posted is harmless nonsense. Move on and don't be trying to make something out of nothing.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
I personally wouldn't be offended if anyone sang f**k the Pope.
I dunno what your agenda is. Both teams had good tournaments and both sets of fans enjoyed themselves and 99.9% of them fans behaved themselves. Loads of reports of ROI and NI fans mixing well together also.
The video you posted is harmless nonsense. Move on and don't be trying to make something out of nothing.
Not trying to make something out of nothing and concede that the video / song is not a big deal. Was just making the point that it's annoying that when some NI fans get on in a similar manner, it is blown out of proportion.
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Not that bad , but I prefer the billy boys song.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/euro-2016-teams/northern-ireland/joe-brolly-northern-ireland-is-a-different-world-and-my-kids-know-nothing-of-the-troubles-34836702.html?dfhggfhfghfghgf (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/euro-2016-teams/northern-ireland/joe-brolly-northern-ireland-is-a-different-world-and-my-kids-know-nothing-of-the-troubles-34836702.html?dfhggfhfghfghgf)
Joe brolly article...
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
I personally wouldn't be offended if anyone sang f**k the Pope.
I dunno what your agenda is. Both teams had good tournaments and both sets of fans enjoyed themselves and 99.9% of them fans behaved themselves. Loads of reports of ROI and NI fans mixing well together also.
The video you posted is harmless nonsense. Move on and don't be trying to make something out of nothing.
Not trying to make something out of nothing and concede that the video / song is not a big deal. Was just making the point that it's annoying that when some NI fans get on in a similar manner, it is blown out of proportion.
You're right, they cant chat feck the queen and think its ok, whether she's a cnut or not you cant have double standards.....
But you will get wankers on both sides
That chant is more tongue in cheek without too much menace. I've seen two clips of it being sung - it's the same guy in both videos and its not something ive ever heard until a few days ago.. Contrast that with some of the more sinister elements of the NI fans' repertoire which have been sung for quite some time and continue to be..
Quote from: general_lee on June 28, 2016, 10:23:17 AM
That chant is more tongue in cheek without too much menace. I've seen two clips of it being sung - it's the same guy in both videos and its not something ive ever heard until a few days ago.. Contrast that with some of the more sinister elements of the NI fans' repertoire which have been sung for quite some time and continue to be..
So fcuk the pope song is tongue in cheek... Tony will have a fit
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2016, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
LOL is that it?! Take a redner son.
Doesn't look like your typical Irish fans either. More like a League of Ireland team gang aping English soccer chants. Pretty sure that video is in Dublin.
Many Catholics in the England or Wales squads????
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is no recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Quote from: AQMP on June 28, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
The worst bit about the video is that McClean doesn't rhyme with Queen
It does in a dub accent
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
You accept that if you were brought up in a different village your view on that would be different, and accept that some people may find it offensive?? And don't kid yourself about the the Popes, millions died through the years all down to popes!!
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Well who belongs to which political sects in this scenario? The Queen? McClean?? The singers? Go on tell me cos I can't work it out.
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Well who belongs to which political sects in this scenario? The Queen? McClean?? The singers? Go on tell me cos I can't work it out.
You don't know if The Queen is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if McClean is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if a crowd of Irish lads singing about them are Nationalist or Unionist?
A lot of this is down to, we ain't as bad as them and our little digs are ok....
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Well who belongs to which political sects in this scenario? The Queen? McClean?? The singers? Go on tell me cos I can't work it out.
You don't know if The Queen is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if McClean is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if a crowd of Irish lads singing about them are Nationalist or Unionist?
I know you are being obtuse but i'll humour you nonetheless. I could maybe hazard a fairly certain guess about McClean and the Queen's political orientations, The guys in the clip, who knows? But I do not think that Irish Nationalisn or Unionism can be viewed as a sect. Are u saying the Queen is part of a sect? Or that McClean is? Or both?
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Well who belongs to which political sects in this scenario? The Queen? McClean?? The singers? Go on tell me cos I can't work it out.
You don't know if The Queen is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if McClean is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if a crowd of Irish lads singing about them are Nationalist or Unionist?
I know you are being obtuse but i'll humour you nonetheless. I could maybe hazard a fairly certain guess about McClean and the Queen's political orientations, The guys in the clip, who knows? But I do not think that Irish Nationalisn or Unionism can be viewed as a sect. Are u saying the Queen is part of a sect? Or that McClean is? Or both?
So nationalism and unionism cannit be viewef as sects? Are you saying all sectarianism in NU is religious based not politically based?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/martin-o-neill-s-words-were-humbling-and-showed-a-touch-of-class-1.2706046
Martin was the first football man who gave me an "inside track".
He would recount the religious tensions in the team, and with certain unnamed Protestant players, over the fact that he was a Catholic captaining the Northern Irish team. He would also point out that the much-praised Northern Irish defence was good not only because Pat Jennings was the goalkeeper but also because his midfield, he himself, covered so effectively.
Quote from: seafoid on July 01, 2016, 08:26:49 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/martin-o-neill-s-words-were-humbling-and-showed-a-touch-of-class-1.2706046
Martin was the first football man who gave me an "inside track".
He would recount the religious tensions in the team, and with certain unnamed Protestant players, over the fact that he was a Catholic captaining the Northern Irish team. He would also point out that the much-praised Northern Irish defence was good not only because Pat Jennings was the goalkeeper but also because his midfield, he himself, covered so effectively.
Humbling words..... Very humbling ;D
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 29, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on June 27, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: michaelg on June 27, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4d0YrKCaI
Funny how there has been no media coverage / public outcry about this charming little ditty. Can only imagine the responses on here if NI fans sang an equivalent song.
Feck me you did well to dig that one up from tens of thousands of fans behaving themselves I hope you didnt spend too long trying to find not alot
No digging required - Was doing the rounds on social media. I stand by my original post that this would have been jumped on by the media if the show was on the other foot.
Its fairly harmless in fairness.
Maybe, but likely to cause aggro if sang in pubs shared by other fans. Also, flies in the face of some people's claims on here that sectarianism is a one way street. Without labouring the point, had NI fans been recorded singing 'F**k the Pope' or some other such nicety, it would be all over the media.
Hilarious. You say that we claim that sectarianism is a one way street, you offer a video of some celtic/irish fans, and then you claim there is recorded sectarian singing from OWC fans.
The no surrender cry was loud and clear during gstq at every one of the owc matches. Someone even wrote in to the belfast telegraph to complain about owc singing anti-german songs.
Sport for all protestants
Where is the sectarian element in this? They are singing a song about a foreign leader who is in command of the forces that have occupied part of their country. And who decorated said forces who murdered innocent civilians in the street in McClean's hometown. It is in this capacity, not as leader of the CoE, that the supporters are ascribing to McClean the hatred of her.
On the other hand The Pope is a religious leaders and songs about him would therefore by necessity be of a sectarian nature. And the Pope's s only military intervention in Ireland was quite a long time ago if I remember correctly.
Sectarian does not just relate to religious sects but to political sects also.
Well who belongs to which political sects in this scenario? The Queen? McClean?? The singers? Go on tell me cos I can't work it out.
You don't know if The Queen is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if McClean is Nationalist or Unionist?
You don't know if a crowd of Irish lads singing about them are Nationalist or Unionist?
I know you are being obtuse but i'll humour you nonetheless. I could maybe hazard a fairly certain guess about McClean and the Queen's political orientations, The guys in the clip, who knows? But I do not think that Irish Nationalisn or Unionism can be viewed as a sect. Are u saying the Queen is part of a sect? Or that McClean is? Or both?
So nationalism and unionism cannit be viewef as sects? Are you saying all sectarianism in NU is religious based not politically based?
Indeed. And indeed again. Sure this is what I said in my first post on this subject, talk about going around in circles, waste of fingerprint talking to you.
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