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Title: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomtask on July 31, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
Looking forward to hearing Joe's prognosis of the Mayo/Cork game, should be great craic on the sunday game tonight if him and Tony are in the panel  :D :D 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: randomtask on July 31, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
Looking forward to hearing Joe's prognosis of the Mayo/Cork game, should be great craic on the sunday game tonight if him and Tony are in the panel  :D :D

That's if he shows his face.

All he could talk about earlier was the Cork Kerry Semi Final as if today's game was a formality for Cork.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bcarrier on July 31, 2011, 05:37:46 PM
Cork peaked two years ago but always had a touch of the flat track bully.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on July 31, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Brolly isn't on tonight.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2011, 07:01:48 PM
Great craic this afternoon!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 31, 2011, 07:01:48 PM
Great craic this afternoon!

"Sure there's nothing else to do in Kerry"

"James McCartan almost pulled off the biggest con since the Eiffel Tower was sold to a developer from Navan"

God knows how many people insulted in 2 lines

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ross matt on July 31, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Jeering Joe and Preening Pateen have nothing to be smug about tonight. Both of them wrote of Mayo and Connacht football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
He has bad eyesight too the prat.
In "Irish" Mail on Sunday he says he couldnt make out the the last part of the  message towed by a plane over Croker yeaterday.
It read " Roscommon Hospital 24/7 A & E"
So if he can't see much how can we expect him to get anything right ? ;D
I never listen to those gobsh1tes any more either before ,half time of after a game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!


Have to say I never heard Joe giving Tyrone stick over the past few years. He has always praised them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Offalylad on July 31, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
Brolly worships Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
Sure the Mammy's from Tyrone!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on August 01, 2011, 12:08:49 AM
Brolly's given Tyrone a lot of guff over the years, albeit not so much in recent years, when they started to become more successful.

But like said above, never once thought of switching him and Pat off, the banter's great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bloodybreakball on August 01, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
lads, excuse my incompetence but could any of youse throw up brollys DM column from yest. I missed it and wouldnt mind a read at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 07, 2011, 11:19:30 AM
Getting very smug these days. Getting to the point of just belittling other pundits with the "I'm more intelligent than you" kind of voice.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on August 07, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Not sure what he has to be smug about. Has been completely wrong with his last 2 predictions - yesterday and Cork v Mayo.

How did he call Kildare/Donegal game?

A lot of people myself included thought Kerry would beat Cork, Brolly just publicised it in a more ignorant way.

Brolly is what Dunphy is to soccer and Eoghan Harris is to politics, a lot of pontificating but not much calling it right.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 07, 2011, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on August 07, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Not sure what he has to be smug about. Has been completely wrong with his last 2 predictions - yesterday and Cork v Mayo.

How did he call Kildare/Donegal game?

A lot of people myself included thought Kerry would beat Cork, Brolly just publicised it in a more ignorant way.

Brolly is what Dunphy is to soccer and Eoghan Harris is to politics, a lot of pontificating but not much calling it right.

I'd say there weren't too many people who predicted that Mayo would beat Cork and there would have been a lot of people who would have thought Tyrone would beat Dublin.
Regardless of what you think of Brolly, he's not usually too far off the mark.
Brolly is intelligent and can put his point across....those less intelligent people who find it difficult to explain themselves might see that as pontificating, but the fact remains he is intelligent, knows his football and isn't scared to say what he thinks and he can usually give an explanation of why he has certain opinions - which most of the pundits cant do. Give me that any day over the likes of Kevin McStay who never has anything of interest to say, just repeats the same things already said by others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 07, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
It’s easy to be hard on the pundits. None of us is equipped to predict the future. But it’s when they indulge in lazy analysis by elevating one or two incidents to the status of a trend that you get annoyed with them.

I had the chance last night to listen to both the RTÉ and BBC panels expound on Bernard Brogan. For me, there’s nothing to talk about. Brogan is a top player who has all the skills and can produce the unexpected, deliver under pressure and get match-winning scores. He was last year and he still is. He’s missed a few chances this year and taken a few wrong options. Who hasn’t? Because he's player of the year they got noticed as they wouldn't have before.

However, RTE’s panel have come to a unanimous conclusion that his game is in crisis and not only that, but they’ve agreed that they know the reason. Apparently he’s taking too much upon himself and doesn’t lay off the ball and bring others into play.

On the other hand, Martin McHugh volunteered that Brogan has improved his game this year. The secret? He’s learned not to go for everything himself but lay off the ball and bring others into play!

One of them must be wrong, at least. To me both are wrong and neither conclusion is valid, based on the evidence of a few games so far this year. In fact the question is not valid. In fact, there’s not even a question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
Hardy, Pat Spillane actually said last night that Bernard Brogan doesn't work hard enough for an inside forward!
It's like he thinks to himself, "What's the most catastrophically inaccurate statement I can come out with this week?"
Brogan runs his legs to stumps in every game.
There is no analysis on RTE, only opinions and those opinions are rarely based on anything so boring as facts or statistics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Denn Forever on August 07, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Was Bernard not Alan footballer of the year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 07, 2011, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 07, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Was Bernard not Alan footballer of the year?

Apologies - finger trouble - fixed it above. It was, of course, Bernard they were talking about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 07, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
The problem with Irish pundits is that they are all ex players from a different generation - they are mouth pieces and entertainers - NOT ANALYISTS! Have you ever heard any of them tell you about how a teams tactics (apart from the obvious) or game plans or insights into patterns of play? No. They are too busy trying to get one up on the man beside them. They are there because Irish people want this type of analysis, they want to be entertained, they want a good slagging match and a bit of banter. We can slag them off but its what the masses want.
(For me Peter Canavan is the exception to the rule here - in fact TV3s coverage is much more professional when compared to RTE)

Compare RTE to Ozzy rules analysis where you have journalists and managers analysing games. It is excellent, insightful, thought provoking. Brolly, Spillane & Co. might as well be at the bar in Killinascully with the oul shite the come out with.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
I would disagree to a certain extent as pretty much every media outlet other than RTE actually has proper analysts.
Newstalk, TV3 and the BBC all use people that understand the modern game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sans pessimism on August 07, 2011, 05:21:48 PM
Jinxy,are you saying Liam Hayes is a 'proper' analyst??Jeez
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Cant agree. Some of the stuff he has said about Jack O Connor has been outrageous in my view. Hayes was a very unsuccessful inter county manager. He needs to remember that sometime.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Very much in the minority there Dinny I'd say, I think himself and Brady are terrible.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ross matt on August 07, 2011, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Jaysus Dinny!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
Better qualify this, I think their analysis is awful but when they are co-commenting on games on Newstalk I think they can be insightful and their discussions are actually entertaining but I think that is driven my Newstalk and in particular AZ's buddy Ger Gilroy who is the Newstalk sports editor. And I'll reiterate I admire Liam Hayes's honesty, I always get the impression that say unlike Joe Brolly he'd tell you exactly what he thought of you to your face and expect the same honesty back.

Not everyone's cup of team but I'm probably easily entertained, I'm from Kildare for god sake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on August 07, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
AZ's buddy? He's dead to me I told you.

As for Hayes, I find him mildly entertaining sometimes, but it's not accurate to say he has no agenda in my mind. He obviously has a long standing emnity for Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Dinny, the man is full of shite!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 07, 2011, 10:38:48 PM
Can't stand Hayes, biggest media w**ker going IMHO.

Never thought I'd say it but Brady is very entertaining, bit rough round the edges but gives a good players view.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

Ah cmon now jinxy, it doesn't work that way and you know it. We are the gold standard.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 07, 2011, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM

???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?

Best comeback I've heard in a while

*poking myself in the eye for complimenting a meathie*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 08, 2011, 12:49:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

I hate these things, but  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Post of the Summer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2011, 03:40:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

You wouldn't have got near Kerry, Mayo would have made shite of ye in the semi.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 08, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Mayo wouldn't make shite of shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 10:18:55 AM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 10:18:55 AM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c

Eh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25tWoQng6I&feature=related
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 17, 2011, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Mayo wouldn't make shite of shite.

Bet you a fiver we would
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 10:18:55 AM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c

Eh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25tWoQng6I&feature=related

he scored the goal just after missing the pen.
he bagged another good goal as well after that 1st goal, so i guess he was just sharpening up! :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on August 22, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Kerry lead by two at half time. Joe announces:

"Kerry are playing the game on Mayo's terms....James Horan will be delighted."

:D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 22, 2011, 11:31:01 AM
Did brolly make a reference to brady yeseterday lads????
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Club Rossa on August 22, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
Can't remember what point Spillane was making at the time but Joe told him he was beginning to sound like David Brady.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 22, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
I can't stand Spillane and I regard him and Tony Davis as the worst analysts by far. I don't mind Joe as I think he is comfortable in front of the cameras and makes some decent points. However, himself and Spillane are at opposite ends of a nonsensical spectrum, for Pat long kick passing will beat all and for Joe defensive systems are king, neither of course is true. But the two lads analysis is entirely coloured by these views, so much so that you could have cardboard cut outs of the two of them in the studio and just play a recording of their views from any previous game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
Lads we shouldn't get too wound up about the two boys trading verbals.....TSG is using the Giles Dunphy template to generate a bit of "controversy"....to generate a bit of crack....although Pat does look as if he would give Brolly a slap sometimes....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 22, 2011, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
Lads we shouldn't get too wound up about the two boys trading verbals.....TSG is using the Giles Dunphy template to generate a bit of "controversy"....to generate a bit of crack....although Pat does look as if he would give Brolly a slap sometimes....

I think the agro between them is genuine. Brolly doesnt like mouth pieces like Spillane so disagrees for the sake of it, which winds Pat up no end. Yesterday Spillane was 1st to comment at half time and came out with his usual shite. Brolly was next and started by saying "I coulnt disagree more with Pats analysis of the game".. and then proceeded to basically agree with Spillane. He wants to disagree more than he does disagree.
Brolly is articulate but a limited reader of a game. O'Rourke is boring and Spillane is just an utter bollox.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 22, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: ck on August 22, 2011, 07:24:47 PM
Brolly is articulate but a limited reader of a game.

That is a great summation of him! Davis comes across as a blithering idiot sometimes but Brolly just tries to belittle him and McStay with his "I'm more intelligent than you" demeanour.

I don't mind Brolly to be honest but I do think in some regards he is limited like is said here and he needs to respect other people's opinions a bit better. At the end of the day that's all they are - opinions. They're no wiser than any of the rest of us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on August 23, 2011, 08:35:44 AM
I think the tension between the two arises from the Kerry defeats to Tyrone to be honest (which Pat has never gotten over). Joe takes great delight in these as they are the only thing to have really rattled Kerry, and Pat, to their core. Pat constantly uses the phrase 'nordern defence' to label modern defensive tactics. This is just plain bullshit but it is a terrific insight into his thinking. Everything you need to know about Pat can be found underneath the phrases 'puke football' and 'nodern defence'. He also hates the fact that Kerry immediately copied the tactic.

On the other hand, I have sympathy for his thinking. The man loves football played the way it should be. He just confuses himself and it comes out all annoyed when he sees his beautiful game being destroyed, 'or in his minds eye' being destroyed. He forgets most games in the 80's etc were horseshit with skills nowhere near the level they are now. Brolly sees and senses the frustration Pat has with this, knows it's entirely illogical and just thrives on winding him up. Joe is a legal mind so works entirely on logic. He knows Pat's commentary has little to do with logic so this winds him up naturally about Pat. On a good day he finds it funny but on a bad day he takes him to task. The great thing is when you cross a logical person with an illogical person they will never ever agree. That's the crux of the 'chemistry'.

Pat will use any series of bad play or a poor shot to highlight where it has all gone wrong. This has now caught on with other pundits where the whole focus is on 'how good the game is'. Even a minor game between Tipp and Roscommon got slated for no good reason. If you watch it back you'll see some fantastic score taking and examples of skillful play under pressure. Yet the consensus reached was that it was poor. Nonsense, but highlights how warped these men's view has become.

O'Rourke has given up with the pair of them. He briefly challenged Pat's assertion that 'da way to beat de blanket defence is to kek da ball long' with 'how can you do that if you look up and all you see are 6 extra defenders in the full back line'. Pat rambled back at him with some meaningless guff and Colm looked like he wanted to just go home. Now he just sits there thinking of the money.

Brolly is the greatest revisionist thinker of his time, excellent and articulate at explaining why a game panned out the way it did (after the event). He pronounces so confidently what will happen before a game, and when the total opposite happens, he again pronounces so confidently that you think that's what he said in the first place. The odd time he gets it right and pronounces even more confidently so you begin to think he has never been wrong. Sky+ is a great leveller.

It's getting a little tired to be honest as the record hasn't changed since 2003.

ps Davis is an absolute idiot from head to toe in that arena. He's a good genuine gael though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whiskeysteve on August 23, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
Excellent summation Sheamy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 23, 2011, 09:03:50 AM
Quote from: sheamy on August 23, 2011, 08:35:44 AM
He prounces so confidently what will happen before a game, and when the total opposite happens, he again prounces so confidently that you think that's what he said in the first place.

:D

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on September 04, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
Joe's verdict on Donegal (article also in Gaelic Life) this week. Get the impression Joe isn't crazy about Donegals style of play :D

Brolly's Bites - What's the point, Jim?

Jerome Quinn did a very enjoyable video piece before the Ulster final called "Derry is buzzing" from Shamrock Park in Ballinderry (see it on youtube).


Conleith Gilligan, Big Enda and Kevin McGuckin were down at the park helping out with the club's summer camp and the atmosphere was one of fun and excitement. The children were asked to predict the scores. "1-19 to 1-18" said one. Adam Gilligan, heir to the Gilligan fortune, predicted that Derry would win by 3-11 to 2-9 and "my daddy will score the Derry goals." His daddy is one of the most skilled footballers the county ever produced. When Ballinderry won the All-Ireland club title in 2002, Conleith claimed the 'Man of the Match' award in five out of their six post-Derry championship games, controlling games with his pinpoint passing and clever movement.

So, in mid July in Clones, he brought all his reservoir of talent and experience onto the pitch; a lifetime of loving and learning the game. What a colossal waste of time that all turned out to be. All those early mornings on the Shamrocks pitch, kicking ball for the sheer pleasure of it. All those Saturday afternoons when he headed off with a bag of balls over his shoulder to perfect his technique with both feet, him and Big Enda putting on a private show, kicking sideline after sideline until it was dark, revelling in it. Pathetic!

Derry and Armagh had lit up the championship in the semi-final, an exhilarating game where players expressed themselves to the full. Eoin Bradley's audacious skills brought gasps of admiration. Jamie Clarke terrified the Derry support every time the ball came near. Three brilliant goals! We came away with a spring in our step. How Pathetic! How absolutely pathetic!

Come the Ulster final, it became clear that what Derry men have been engaged in all these years is not football at all, but some childish fantasy. In Clones, Adam's daddy never got a kick, because Donegal men played ring-a-ring-a-rosy around him for the entire game. This is lots of fun. The formula is this: Get all your players to stay inside their own half, save for Colm McFadden. Then surround the inside forwards. At halftime, you can stop doing it for ten minutes. When the whistle for the second half goes, resume the position until the final whistle goes. Then Rory will say "we make no apologies for this" and express surprise that people hate it. "I am amazed at the reaction" he said after last Sunday in Croke Park. "We are not in the business of entertainment." You don't say Rory..

In that Clones final, Enda Muldoon looked awful. No Derry forward scored. Very few even managed to get a shot off. To tell you the truth, I can remember very little about the game, other than the Ring-a-ring-a-rosy. Oh, and Donegal got a penalty which Michael Murphy crashed home. That aside, the mind draws a blank.

Their destruction of their games prior to the Dublin match was not just as depressing as last Sunday because up until then, no one had played them at their own game. The other opposition (save for Kildare who only got partially sucked in) fell into the trap of throwing their defenders forward in a desperate attempt to get a score. This allowed Donegal to selectively counter-attack into the space left behind, while still keeping their defence in position. The plan is simple and effective. Blot out all space inside their own half. Create a turnover as the opposition defenders come forward, then go for the jugular. Murphy, or Lacey or Kavanagh come through the middle, then lay the ball off for the striker. Tyrone played into their hands by coming forward from the back in droves. Their high-wire act was eventually exposed, two turnovers leading to the two killer goals. 2-6 is more than enough to do the job.

There are three ways to deal with Donegal's death-grip. One is to put your head in your hands and weep. The second is reserved for the Kerrys of this world and by that I mean Kerry. The third is to do precisely the same to them. Keep your defenders in position. Use the spare men to surround Colm McFadden (above), then Michael Murphy in the unlikely event that he is allowed to go into the forwards (on Sunday, he was finally sent up on the 64th minute).

Until Jim and Rory came along, I had naively assumed Michael was a forward. There he was all those years, wasting his time learning the skills. Turns out, all he has to do to win an Ulster championship is play ring-a-ring-a-rosy along his half-back line and kick the odd free or penalty. Dublin did the only thing that can be done. Do to them what they do to you, make it a horrible stalemate, then hope to scramble the late free or penalty that will win the game.

When other teams gradually realise that Dublin's approach is the only viable way to deal with Donegal's strategy, there is only one future. Forwards, even great ones like Bernard Brogan and Michael Murphy become irrelevant. Their role will be to try to get their hands to the ball and hope to win a free as the swarm of defenders reaches in. The goalie will be an expert long range free-taker, since all the fouling is done outside the scoring zone. The best scoring forwards will in future be picked in the half back line. Midfielders as we know it will become redundant. Jack O'Shea and his ilk will be relics of a romantic past. Instead, we will have ruck rovers like they have in Aussie rules, workaholics who roam up and down the field.

The point that has been missed in all the furore caused since Sunday is that there are two mutually exclusive positions. The first is Donegal's self-interest. They are perfectly entitled to play whatever game they wish to. Incredibly, they are Ulster champions and had Colm McFadden bagged the goal he ought to have, they would be getting ready for an All-Ireland final.

The second however, is the wider interests of the game and the people who love it. On this front, we, the people, are perfectly entitled to say that what Donegal do is fundamentally damaging to Gaelic football. Jim asked afterwards what was "the point in going out in a blaze of glory", something Donegal conspicuously did not do last Sunday. Instead, they went out in a shameful and forgettable way, iced by the disgraceful play-acting of Martin Boyle. No one will remember it. No one would want to remember it.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 04, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on September 04, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
Joe's verdict on Donegal (article also in Gaelic Life) this week. Get the impression Joe isn't crazy about Donegals style of play :D

Brolly's Bites - What's the point, Jim?

Jerome Quinn did a very enjoyable video piece before the Ulster final called "Derry is buzzing" from Shamrock Park in Ballinderry (see it on youtube).


Conleith Gilligan, Big Enda and Kevin McGuckin were down at the park helping out with the club's summer camp and the atmosphere was one of fun and excitement. The children were asked to predict the scores. "1-19 to 1-18" said one. Adam Gilligan, heir to the Gilligan fortune, predicted that Derry would win by 3-11 to 2-9 and "my daddy will score the Derry goals." His daddy is one of the most skilled footballers the county ever produced. When Ballinderry won the All-Ireland club title in 2002, Conleith claimed the 'Man of the Match' award in five out of their six post-Derry championship games, controlling games with his pinpoint passing and clever movement.

So, in mid July in Clones, he brought all his reservoir of talent and experience onto the pitch; a lifetime of loving and learning the game. What a colossal waste of time that all turned out to be. All those early mornings on the Shamrocks pitch, kicking ball for the sheer pleasure of it. All those Saturday afternoons when he headed off with a bag of balls over his shoulder to perfect his technique with both feet, him and Big Enda putting on a private show, kicking sideline after sideline until it was dark, revelling in it. Pathetic!

Derry and Armagh had lit up the championship in the semi-final, an exhilarating game where players expressed themselves to the full. Eoin Bradley's audacious skills brought gasps of admiration. Jamie Clarke terrified the Derry support every time the ball came near. Three brilliant goals! We came away with a spring in our step. How Pathetic! How absolutely pathetic!

Come the Ulster final, it became clear that what Derry men have been engaged in all these years is not football at all, but some childish fantasy. In Clones, Adam's daddy never got a kick, because Donegal men played ring-a-ring-a-rosy around him for the entire game. This is lots of fun. The formula is this: Get all your players to stay inside their own half, save for Colm McFadden. Then surround the inside forwards. At halftime, you can stop doing it for ten minutes. When the whistle for the second half goes, resume the position until the final whistle goes. Then Rory will say "we make no apologies for this" and express surprise that people hate it. "I am amazed at the reaction" he said after last Sunday in Croke Park. "We are not in the business of entertainment." You don't say Rory..

In that Clones final, Enda Muldoon looked awful. No Derry forward scored. Very few even managed to get a shot off. To tell you the truth, I can remember very little about the game, other than the Ring-a-ring-a-rosy. Oh, and Donegal got a penalty which Michael Murphy crashed home. That aside, the mind draws a blank.

Their destruction of their games prior to the Dublin match was not just as depressing as last Sunday because up until then, no one had played them at their own game. The other opposition (save for Kildare who only got partially sucked in) fell into the trap of throwing their defenders forward in a desperate attempt to get a score. This allowed Donegal to selectively counter-attack into the space left behind, while still keeping their defence in position. The plan is simple and effective. Blot out all space inside their own half. Create a turnover as the opposition defenders come forward, then go for the jugular. Murphy, or Lacey or Kavanagh come through the middle, then lay the ball off for the striker. Tyrone played into their hands by coming forward from the back in droves. Their high-wire act was eventually exposed, two turnovers leading to the two killer goals. 2-6 is more than enough to do the job.

There are three ways to deal with Donegal's death-grip. One is to put your head in your hands and weep. The second is reserved for the Kerrys of this world and by that I mean Kerry. The third is to do precisely the same to them. Keep your defenders in position. Use the spare men to surround Colm McFadden (above), then Michael Murphy in the unlikely event that he is allowed to go into the forwards (on Sunday, he was finally sent up on the 64th minute).

Until Jim and Rory came along, I had naively assumed Michael was a forward. There he was all those years, wasting his time learning the skills. Turns out, all he has to do to win an Ulster championship is play ring-a-ring-a-rosy along his half-back line and kick the odd free or penalty. Dublin did the only thing that can be done. Do to them what they do to you, make it a horrible stalemate, then hope to scramble the late free or penalty that will win the game.

When other teams gradually realise that Dublin's approach is the only viable way to deal with Donegal's strategy, there is only one future. Forwards, even great ones like Bernard Brogan and Michael Murphy become irrelevant. Their role will be to try to get their hands to the ball and hope to win a free as the swarm of defenders reaches in. The goalie will be an expert long range free-taker, since all the fouling is done outside the scoring zone. The best scoring forwards will in future be picked in the half back line. Midfielders as we know it will become redundant. Jack O'Shea and his ilk will be relics of a romantic past. Instead, we will have ruck rovers like they have in Aussie rules, workaholics who roam up and down the field.

The point that has been missed in all the furore caused since Sunday is that there are two mutually exclusive positions. The first is Donegal's self-interest. They are perfectly entitled to play whatever game they wish to. Incredibly, they are Ulster champions and had Colm McFadden bagged the goal he ought to have, they would be getting ready for an All-Ireland final.

The second however, is the wider interests of the game and the people who love it. On this front, we, the people, are perfectly entitled to say that what Donegal do is fundamentally damaging to Gaelic football. Jim asked afterwards what was "the point in going out in a blaze of glory", something Donegal conspicuously did not do last Sunday. Instead, they went out in a shameful and forgettable way, iced by the disgraceful play-acting of Martin Boyle. No one will remember it. No one would want to remember it.

Don't always agree with Brolly but I think he sums up Donegal pretty well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on September 05, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
poor effort by joe there I think. I kinda know what he's getting at, but what's his point? Only one man allowed to tackle Conleith Gilligan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 06, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
Brolly on why Mayo couldn't beat Cork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on September 06, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 06, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.

Eulogizing Tyrone? Sure he Eulogized Donegal as long as they were winning. The second they lost he came down on them like a ton of bricks. Brolly is a hypocrite of the highest order. He very often contradicts himself in the same sentence!
I don't think the man really knows his own mind. He uses hindsight to its maximum benefit and therefore is always right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Leo on September 07, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

When the obserer (commentator) beomes the focus we have both got it wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on April 03, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Has this been posted on here yet? Great stuff from Joe again.

http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on April 03, 2012, 10:31:55 AM
"A big boy called me names."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on April 03, 2012, 10:45:24 AM
A big boy that keeps on winning All-Irelands. ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AQMP on April 03, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
Entertaining as always Joe, but essentially a storm in a tae cup.  In sporting terms this was all a long time ago.  Can we all not just move on??  Good line from Francie though ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 03, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Has this been posted on here yet? Great stuff from Joe again.

http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549)

It's been posted all right. Embarrassing shite of the highest order. Joe is usually quite insightful with his take on events but that is so wide of the mark. Probably fuelled by the fact that Joe was less than capable of dealing with the darker side of sport game as a player.

As an Armagh man my embarrassment at the county and McKeever's handling of this hasn't subsided and the longer these dreary opinion pieces continue to drip out the longer that embarrassment will be sustained
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 03, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
Also apparently incorrect. This

QuoteWhen Saint Mary's CBS Grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland 'B' hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant racial abuse by the opposition. The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to "Go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there."

Was rigourously denied by the principal of Doon CBS, was all over the Leader down here in Limerick. There was also a quote from the principal in St Mary's that rubbished the article, and actually said that Brolly hadn't contacted the school to even ask them.


Quote
THE PRINCIPAL of a County Limerick School has told the Leader of his "complete and utter disgust at a sectarian slur" by Joe Brolly on his players.

In Mr Brolly's article in The Irish Mail on Sunday about Armagh's claim of "racism" he referenced St Fintan's CBS in Doon.

He wrote: "When Saint Mary's CBS grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland B hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant abuse by the opposition.

"The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to 'go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there'."

Eddie Bourke, principal of St Fintan's CBS, said the first he heard about these allegations were when one of his teachers rang him on Sunday night.

"There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in the article. It's an awful slur on the school. We're absolutely disgusted that Joe Brolly would go and write something like that without contacting us. It's a cheap shot," said Mr Bourke.

On Monday he sat down with the players of the team.

"They find it very hard to take that kind of insult. I have great regard for those lads. They had a great year in hurling and football. They won some matches that they shouldn't have won. They are a very gritty team, a very honest group of young fellows.

"There is nothing like that in them. They are very annoyed with it. We want to uphold the good name of the school," said Mr Bourke, who was on the sidelines for the semi-final in Dublin.

"I was very close to the action as were all our teachers. I heard absolutely nothing during the match. When the game was over we spoke to the teachers and coaches from St Mary's, congratulated them and wished them luck in the final.

"They came in to our dressing room to commiserate with us and they got a great round of applause. Our team went in to their dressing room and did the same thing. It was all very friendly and we parted in very good company," said Mr Bourke, who added that there was nothing in the referee's report.

He is backed up by the principal of St Mary's, Jim Sheerin.

"I didn't see the article by Joe Brolly but I've had absolutely no contact from any players, parent or supporters of St Mary's to make a complaint or object to how the Doon players conducted themselves. It is complete news to me when I heard it. It was a hard fought match which could have gone either way and it ended in very good spirits.

"I was at the match and if there had been anything I'm sure they would have expressed that to me. If people were incensed or aggrieved in some way clearly there was an opportunity on the day to alert me to it. There was nothing on the day," said Mr Sheerin.

Like Mr Bourke he says he has had no phone call in relation to what Mr Brolly has reported,

"I agree [with Mr Bourke] it is a slur on the school and he is quite right to follow it up," said Mr Sheerin. Regarding the local newspaper mentioned by Mr Brolly, the principal say their local paper is the Anderstown News or the widely circulated Irish News.

The Leader has contacted both and they say that nothing was printed of that nature.

Mr Bourke is to seek a retraction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on April 03, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Joe will have a bit of explaining to do it seems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 03, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
He should take Joe to court  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 03, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 03, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Joe will have a bit of explaining to do it seems.

The principal was never going to confirm that it did happen now was he ?

I can't see the principal getting an apology or Joe getting annoyed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 03, 2012, 12:14:10 PM
Joe might be alright as he says it was quoted in the local paper, I wonder which paper that is?  He ill should have run it past the school first but you'll not hear an apology from him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2012, 12:16:27 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 03, 2012, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2012, 12:16:27 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.

Read the article before you start, ahem, whinging...

'The Armagh County Board last week accusing a Laois player of "racism" after he repeatedly taunted their captain Ciaran McKeever, alledgely branding him " a British bastard" and shouting "God save the Queen" in his face. British? Affordable housing, safe banks, steady employment and a stable infrastructure? On one view, it's not much of an insult. And it isn't racism.

What it is however, is an unpleasant attack on the ethos of the GAA, betraying as it does a certain partitionist mentality.'


(Jasus, but Armagh CB have alot to answer for in introducing the 'r' word)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jeremiah on April 03, 2012, 12:28:24 PM
The incident that Joe references was in the Off the Fence section in the Irish News the week after the Armagh Laois game and the St Marys semi final. It was by somebody claiming to be a parent of one of the St Marys players so don't think Joe has a case to answer on that point
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

They didn't in 04 when Mayo beat Tyrone if I can remember. Most of the Armagh and Fermanagh contingent were cheering on Mayo that day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.

I beg to differ with ya, me oul' segotia: no doubt about it but there's a lot of truth there. ;)
Shortly after Tyrone's AI win in '05, Brolly really went into overdrive praising the (then) present team and the overall football structures in the county.
Joe couldn't se a sign of weakness in any sector of the team and asserted that Tyrone would be a dominant force in Irish football for years to come.
He put their dominance down to the generous funding the county board was getting courtesy of the GFA and to the farsighted approach of the said county board that had set up superb coaching structures to develop under-age talent.
He claimed Armagh were doing a fine job in that regard also and Derry were also starting to put their grant money to good use.
He wrote this eulogy in his column in the 'Irish News' and while I forget the finer details of his article, I have referred to it several times on here in the interim.
I do recall what Shane Curran had to say on the subject of Ulster sides taking the Queen's shilling and putting iit to good use and it mirrored Brolly's own take on the subject.
It is hypocritical for him now to sing a different tune when it appears to suit his purposes.
I think he is way off the mark on another matter also ands that is the animosity that he alleges exists between neighbouring counties down south.
He said Mayo folk don't support Galway and I assume he infers that the same applies in reverse.
That's bollixology.
I had reason to drive through North Galway in '96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.

I am picking only one year as an example but I've no reason to doubt that things have ever been any different.
I'm afraid Joe is just being his usual mischievous self when he comes up with the likes of the article we're referring to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on April 03, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

They didn't in 04 when Mayo beat Tyrone if I can remember. Most of the Armagh and Fermanagh contingent were cheering on Mayo that day.

I think the oul back-door system knocked that on the head. It is no longer the case that the Provincial winners are representing the province.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2012, 12:16:27 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.
FACE PALM!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cornafean on April 03, 2012, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 03:43:40 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in '96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 03, 2012, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 03:43:40 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in '96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)

And that's how it should be. *Leaves thread for fear of what Rossfan says..... :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 03, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

Nah. Whatever about Munster, Leinster and Ulster, Connacht is the most bonded together province. Partly from the siege mentality of always being down-troden by outsiders and and even the etched in memories of 'To Hell or to Connacht' we invariably back each other when it comes down to it. We all talk plenty of rubbish, but few true supporters in Connacht would ever harbour anything but hope for the other counties when it comes down to the heat of the championship.

Just ask all those Rossies who were there in July of '98 and had watched our two counties play to a stalemate, twice, only for the ultimate and exquisite agony of an extra-time goal to burn out our hope as the light dimmed over Dr. Hyde Park.

The very same Rossies who crowded the streets of Athlone in two months later when you brought Sam over the Shannon and home to Connacht.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 03, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 11:16:05 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 03, 2012, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 03:43:40 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in '96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
I got the year wrong alright. I had meant '06 but I was thinking also of '96 when Mayo made the same fruitless journey to HQ and Roscommon, Longford and Westmeath, or at least those regions along the N5/N4, had the Mayo colours flying.
There weren't that many in the last two counties but there were plenty to be seen in Rossie land and I mean all along the route, Elphin, Tulsk, Strokestown et al.

Granted, there weren't quite as many in '06 but it was a difference of quantity not of quality of support.
I passed through late on the eve of the final and the sheep shaggists had plenty of Mayo flags out by then and once again I'm talking of the afore-mentioned towns as well as Ballagh.

Syferus (#83) has summed the Connacht psyche up very well.
Whatever rows we may have west of the Shannon don't travel across water very well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AFS on April 03, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 03, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?

I'll type it out for you. I cut a couple of the less important bits out.

QuoteThe Paddy Heaney Column

Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.

By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 04, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 03, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 03, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?

I'll type it out for you. I cut a couple of the less important bits out.

QuoteThe Paddy Heaney Column

Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.

By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012

Very nicely and accurately summarised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
He gives the Tyrone synchronised diving team an awful touch in the "Irish" Mail on Sunday today. Hard to disagree with what he says in fairness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on May 07, 2012, 02:45:26 AM
Its bad enough that we allow foreigners like Brolly work for our national broadcaster but we allow him to insult us as well.

I think there should be a purge of all Nordies from our airwaves. If anything it would rid us of those godawful accents.

(takes cover)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 07, 2012, 03:55:15 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on May 07, 2012, 02:45:26 AM
Its bad enough that we allow foreigners like Brolly work for our national broadcaster but we allow him to insult us as well.

I think there should be a purge of all Nordies from our airwaves. If anything it would rid us of those godawful accents.

(takes cover)

How many more Cork Gardaí would be willing to fill the accent void, though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2012, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 03, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

QuoteOur experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

Nah. Whatever about Munster, Leinster and Ulster, Connacht is the most bonded together province. Partly from the siege mentality of always being down-troden by outsiders and and even the etched in memories of 'To Hell or to Connacht' we invariably back each other when it comes down to it. We all talk plenty of rubbish, but few true supporters in Connacht would ever harbour anything but hope for the other counties when it comes down to the heat of the championship.Just ask all those Rossies who were there in July of '98 and had watched our two counties play to a stalemate, twice, only for the ultimate and exquisite agony of an extra-time goal to burn out our hope as the light dimmed over Dr. Hyde Park.

The very same Rossies who crowded the streets of Athlone in two months later when you brought Sam over the Shannon and home to Connacht.

Dead right. I was listening to Brian Carthy yesterday commenting on the u21 final and at one stage there was a piece that he described as "Roscommon football at its best" and I think a lot of Galway people are fans of that when the Rossies get to Dublin. The same goes when Mayo are playing. And when Mayo eventually win the f*cking thing beidh daoine ag gol  i nGaillimh freisin.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Yourself seafoid being one of them?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Yourself seafoid being one of them?

Gan dabht. All the years of pain and suffering and by 4.55 one Sunday evening they will be washed away. Mayo is one of the great stories of the GAA. I think what will happen is that the match will be over as a game by 4.30 with Mayo tacking over the points from all angles and Kerry destroyed so the final whistle  will come as an anticlimax  :) 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 07, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Stop teasing the Mayo lads Seafóid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 07, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
Didn't shane curran name one of his kids after a soccer player that played for his beloved arsenal. I wouldn't heed much about that lad says. I was once told in Mayo to f**k off back to my own country. Truth is when people get riled they will use what they can to abuse you. Used to be there were some unwritten rules about what you couldnt say like calling a fellow Gael a Brit but there are less and less sacred cows now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 08, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
Took this from the Derry Journal

Don't think its the same article that was in the Irish Mail

Brolly's Bites - Tyrone - From Barca to Ballyclare Comrades! 
By Joe Brolly
Published on Friday 4 May 2012 12:22


KIERAN McGeeney said before last Sunday's Division Two Final that Tyrone were the Barcelona of Gaelic football.


Long before the final whistle sounded in Croke Park, the thought struck me that they looked more like Ballyclare Comrades! If the Barcelona analogy implied a similar sort of attacking creativity, this was sorely absent.

Before Sunday, the possibility was that Tyrone – having taken a year out in 2011 – were back in business. There had been a bit of healing time after the awful tragedy in Mauritius and the five retirements of veteran stars had allowed a number of young men who, up until now, had been bit players to become regular starters.

Twelve consecutive victories in the McKenna Cup and Division Two cemented the notion that Mickey and his group were off on another adventure that might lead to Sam.

But by half three last Sunday, that notion had evaporated as Tyrone toiled laboriously, hand-passing and solo-running their way into the massed Kildare defence.

The most disappointing feature of their play was the utter lack of invention. Their once revolutionary game plan has become one dimensional.


New Foundation Stone

Peter Harte is the new foundation stone of their slightly revised method. Deployed at centre-half back, he doesn't really play there at all. Rather he uses it as a disguise to attack through the middle. When he takes off, Ronan McNabb drops back from wing half-forward to cover him.

As Tyrone attack, their forwards take their men away from the central column in front of the goals by making decoy runs towards the wing. Peter runs through the unguarded centre, the ball is transferred to him and he either scores or sets up a score. As a result, he was Tyrone's top scorer in the League.

In their League opener against Kildare three months ago, the tactic had worked a treat. Peter took advantage of Kildare's confusion that day to score one goal and set up the second in a five point victory.

This time, Kildare were ready. On Sunday, when McNabb dropped back, his man simply switched into the central area to meet and greet Peter. Instead of the Kildare defenders and midfielders following the decoy runners towards the wings, they congregated in the central scoring area. And that, as they say, was that.

Peter spent the game running into a brick wall. Stephen O'Neill, the one forward who could have unlocked Kildare's defence was, as usual, starved of possession.

Twice, the ball was kicked to him in the danger zone. From these two opportunities, he scored a point, then created and almost took a goal chance that might have changed the game. He must be bored out of his wits playing on this team, particularly now that the better oppositions have cottoned on to their method.

Tyrone's defenders and midfielders simply do not kick the ball, unless it is a 15 yards foot pass. Instead, they solo-run and hand-pass (admittedly at speed) out of their defence until they reach the opposition '40.' By then, Stephen is swallowed up inside the blanket defence, living off scraps.

Likewise Owen Mulligan. If the Tyrone runners are not allowed to come through the middle area, then the team is in serious trouble.

Jim McGuinness demonstrated last summer how to stop them in their tracks. After a nervy first 25 minutes, which Donegal spent shaking off their inferiority complex, they were in complete control.

The first tactically astute Dublin team in living memory repeated the dose in Croke Park a few months later. Now, Kildare have done the same.

Up until Sunday, this group had played Tyrone four times in League and Championship and failed to win a single game. Now, like Donegal and the Dubs, they have their number.


My, How Things Have

Changed

It is interesting to see how things have changed. Before the 2008 final, which almost everyone thought Kerry would win, their old coach Paddy Tally said at a chat show in Sally O'Brien's (I still have fond memories of those wet t-shirts) that he couldn't see how Kerry could win.

"Why?" the Radio Highland compere asked him.

"I don't see how they can stop the Tyrone runners through the middle. You need to plan for that."

Paddy was absolutely right. You may recall how in the last 10 minutes that day, Tyrone poured through that central scoring column in front of the Kerry goals, kicking five points without reply to close the game out.

"Amazing" Pat Spillane muttered to me at the final whistle, "f***ing amazing." Amazing indeed, but only when you don't understand how they did it.

Four years on, the big teams know now how they did it. Most of them have copied and refined that style. This method used to be Tyrone's trump card. Their loaded dice. Suddenly, a strategy built on Peter Harte isn't much of a surprise.

Tyrone are back in the pack, and back in the pack to stay . . . .

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
Typical barrister, isolates the points that create and sustain his attack whilst conveniently shutting out similar acts of showmanship exuded by his own county teams, himself etc.
If we treat these guys opinions as anything more than mere sporting titillation, its ourselves we need to be looking at.   
Spillane set the template, these guys follow, and as much as I like Brolly he could have referred to any team. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 10, 2012, 12:34:30 PM
I'd say if you ran a poll, Tyrone would clean up in the diving / cheating stakes. Mighty football team but the play acting etc is fierce hard to watch

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
Typical barrister, isolates the points that create and sustain his attack whilst conveniently shutting out similar acts of showmanship exuded by his own county teams, himself etc.
If we treat these guys opinions as anything more than mere sporting titillation, its ourselves we need to be looking at.   
Spillane set the template, these guys follow, and as much as I like Brolly he could have referred to any team.

You first sentence makes absolutely no sense. How would highlighting similar acts if they were exuded by his own county teams lessen his argument in any way?

His argument I believe is that the game is cheapened and lessened by these incidents. They don't happen in hurling. There is a creeping culture of this is gaelic football and it deserves to be highlighted time and again. What teams are involved is irrelevant to the argument. He named incidents featured Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry players.

The backlash running along the lines of 'whatabout x' or 'that's over the top' only serves to make his point i.e. that even supporters tolerate a culture of this kind of cheating these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardal on May 10, 2012, 01:06:37 PM
After games, HQ should watch the videos and any Oscar performances should be dealt with retrospectively. A one year ban, no appeal, for any individuals involved
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2012, 01:42:24 PM
Are you for real???? It was one of the worst, most cynical dives in Gaelic games history. He ran into a stationary man from the side and went down holding his face!!! Now unless Peter has the same genetic issue that Samuel L Jackson had in that movie 'unbreakable', then he dived.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 10, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

the problem in a nutshell. Cheating is cheating is cheating.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on May 10, 2012, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.

YERROOOOOO!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on May 10, 2012, 08:40:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

I bet you didn't know that Greg McCartan was an Olympic standard hammer thrower in his youth and its no wonder Brian McGuigan got badly injured when he threw the size 5 O'Neills at him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on May 10, 2012, 09:40:27 PM
Joe's memory for a barrister is pretty poor.

Tyorne and Donegal were level with 70 mins on the clock, hardly complete control.

As well as Tyrone played in the 2nd half against Kerry only McConnells studs stopped Kerry winning that game. I think Sheehan missed a 45 to level it with time almost up as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 10, 2012, 10:43:05 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on May 10, 2012, 09:40:27 PM
Joe's memory for a barrister is pretty poor.

Tyorne and Donegal were level with 70 mins on the clock, hardly complete control.

As well as Tyrone played in the 2nd half against Kerry only McConnells studs stopped Kerry winning that game. I think Sheehan missed a 45 to level it with time almost up as well.

He said that once Donegal shook off their inferiority complex and started to play, from 0-1 to 0-6 down after a very nervy first 25 minutes, they were in complete control. And indeed they strangled Tyrone and outscored them 2-5 to 0-3 for the remainder of the game. You can quibble with his choice of words, but his point, that Donegal shut down the Tyrone attack, as they did Derry in the next game, and as did Dublin and Kildare to Tyrone later on, is a fair one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
Sheehan was sitting beside me at the end
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2012, 11:43:23 PM
ball wasnt anywhere near McCarthy, no need to bump him at all, then lie down after getting injured trying to check the man, wrong man got the yellow card, but i remember gerrys effort at reffing a few games lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 12:31:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc


Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Of course it's a dive. He went to give a cowardly, sly and entirely unnecessary dig and as he did he hit the ground as if he was bottled. I don't see any blood and even if he did manage to injure himself it wasn't enough to cause him to fall to the ground. To add to the shameful episode the Tyrone medical staff decided to bandage him up as if he fell from the top of the hogan and landed on his head.

As others have said, that type of shite is becoming all too common and if we want to eradicate that type of embarrassing rubbish from our game we all need to demand more from our players. Let's stop justifying this nonsense irrespective of who does it or what they've achieved as footballers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 12:44:09 AM
Ah FFS. He went in to give the same dunt you'd give yourself. Karma maybe meant he came worse off.

All this 'unnecessary' or 'cowardly' stuff  - feck off to soccer or hockey. He was attempting to put himself about but came worse off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
Tis you who should feck off to soccer if you think giving a man standing with his back to you a dunt and then hitting the ground like a woman is in anyway manly or something we should want in our game. I want physical football and if lads square up to each other fine but canavan dived while trying to deliver a cheap shot. It's the like of you and your patethic attempts to defend this shite that will ensure it develops onto even more embarrassing levels. In fact, it already has.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 12:53:52 AM
OK then. It was a pre-meditated dive. I'm happy to leave it at that and let others decide for themselves.

Women? Manly? I think you maybe read too much of the Irish Star.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 01:05:26 AM
That's great altogether.

Unfortunately I don't think you understand what a 'dive' is.

Canavan didn't dive. His tomfoolery saw him come off second best.

I still think hockey's your sport.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:14:38 AM
And soccer clearly is yours.

A dive is when you hit the turf when you don't need to just as Canavan did. A dive isn't simply when you go to ground though nobody touched you, so o'mahoney dived when slapped by Donnacha O'Connor and the Donegal lad dived when Connolly hit out at him last August. So too did Peter when he ran into a Kerry man looking the other way but he made it even worse by coming back onto the field wearing a turban. But sure as long as he's a Tyrone man you'll justify that shite to yourself somehow and we'll see more of that kind of rubbish in the future.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 11, 2012, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 12:31:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc


Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Of course it's a dive. He went to give a cowardly, sly and entirely unnecessary dig and as he did he hit the ground as if he was bottled. I don't see any blood and even if he did manage to injure himself it wasn't enough to cause him to fall to the ground. To add to the shameful episode the Tyrone medical staff decided to bandage him up as if he fell from the top of the hogan and landed on his head.

As others have said, that type of shite is becoming all too common and if we want to eradicate that type of embarrassing rubbish from our game we all need to demand more from our players. Let's stop justifying this nonsense irrespective of who does it or what they've achieved as footballers.

Classic Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 11, 2012, 08:09:21 AM
With due respect to Tacadoir ArdMhacha for finding this quote, it has to be the starting point for anyone preparing to discuss Tyrone in an unfavourable light.

Quote from: corn02 on November 28, 2008, 03:01:34 PM
there are a lot of Tyrone people on here that would defend a Tyrone player if [he/she] went on a murdering spree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 11, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:14:38 AM
A dive is when you hit the turf when you don't need to just as Canavan did.

Zulu, I've no agenda, and certainly no desire to defend tyrone men. Philly Jordan after the coming together with Marsden was a disgrace. But if its to be governed right we need to be able to say what is and isnt a dive. A dive is when you go down unnecessarily. Look at the incident, Canavan comes in low and tries to come up through mccarthy. At the same time mccarthy turns, canavan bounces off him and theres connection with mccarthys arm. Its all canavans doing, and it certainly shouldnt have been a yellow card but he didnt dive. He clearly was unable to keep his balance. He probably could have got up quicker, but the rap to the head must have been severe enough if it opened him I suppose.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on May 11, 2012, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Beat me to it O'Neill.

A dive is feigning injury. Canavan had to go off to get patched up so it could hardly be described as a dive. It was no yellow card. Canavan tried to be sneaky, came off worse off and went down having gotten a blood wound. To quote the commentary... "to be fair Peter Canavan DID take a blow to the face even though it was completely unintentional, and now requires some attention to the cut".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 11, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 11, 2012, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Beat me to it O'Neill.

A dive is feigning injury. Canavan had to go off to get patched up so it could hardly be described as a dive. It was no yellow card. Canavan tried to be sneaky, came off worse off and went down having gotten a blood wound. To quote the commentary... "to be fair Peter Canavan DID take a blow to the face even though it was completely unintentional, and now requires some attention to the cut".

Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
It looked like a dive alright. Video killed the throne star. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on May 11, 2012, 11:22:20 AM
Think this should be put up on the GAA traditions thread under "blind loyalty" and "eternal bitterness". The Tyrone lads are on shaky ground defending Canavan, it's hardly so false and damaging to his reputation that it demands such die-hard defence, if it was any other county player or even a lesser known tyrone player you'd say "ahh yeah, twas a bit of a dive all-right".

And for those who are so quick to label Canavan a "cheat/ diver/ coward", you wouldn't be as quick but for the fact Canavan is one of the most successful FF's or the modern game and put your beloved teams on yer hole on more than one occasion. Success breeds contempt lads but no need to display it so clearly. McCarthy got a yellow, didn't get sent off from what I remember so what's the big f**king deal in a match that happened 10 years ago? You think the kerry lads didn't bend the rules, engineer a free or have some off the ball digs over the course of the match? Get a grip.

Typically GAA can't see the wood for the f**king trees. Whilst we should be discussing Jordan's actions, O'Mahoney's and McGuigan's all the focus is on a debatable issue that didn't make 1 f**king difference. But then, it is a easy way to wind some-one up, Raison d'être for the board I suppose.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 11, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

Bollix, if you ran towards a cupboard in your kitchen and it suddenly opened and hit you on the head, and you had a grass floor in your kitchen, you might very well feel like lying down and having a roll or two!  :P ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Feckitt on May 11, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Legendary Post.  Fear on Strath Ban, take a bow!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 11, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
As Brolly says, and he is correct, if he was a hurling man, whether you think it was a dive or not against Kerry, he would lost all credibility
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 11, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 11, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

:D Very good Dinny, spot on assessment. Hard to believe blood was drawn from that "coming together".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 11, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
2003 was the turning point for me. Left Casement after the Derry Tyrone game, annoyed at the result obviously, but disgusted by the constant diving and throwing themselves to the ground looking handy frees from Tyrone...half a dozen Id say in the 1st half alone. Slightest touch, down. They got away with it and continued it throughout the championship, it worked and still works. Time to call a spade a spade and stop defending this carry on. A Derry man dives, he's a cheat, simple. Cork men, Carlow etc...needs to be eradicated from the game now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on May 11, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 11, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

Bollix, if you ran towards a cupboard in your kitchen and it suddenly opened and hit you on the head, and you had a grass floor in your kitchen, you might very well feel like lying down and having a roll or two!  :P ;)

Damn right!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 11, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
2003 was the turning point for me. Left Casement after the Derry Tyrone game, annoyed at the result obviously, but disgusted by the constant diving and throwing themselves to the ground looking handy frees from Tyrone...half a dozen Id say in the 1st half alone. Slightest touch, down. They got away with it and continued it throughout the championship, it worked and still works. Time to call a spade a spade and stop defending this carry on. A Derry man dives, he's a cheat, simple. Cork men, Carlow etc...needs to be eradicated from the game now.

Mulligan's display against Antrim in 2003 with regard to diving was also pretty special...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 11, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries.  It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Puckoon on May 11, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
Great line in that clip O'Neill. "Enda McGinley, the minister without portfolio".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries.  It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.

My point exactly!! Look, I've done things on a football field that I'm not proud of and I took a dive once when I was struck from behind with a closed fist. The guy didn't connect properly and our coach had drilled it into us not to get involved in any fighting as that's what our opponents wanted so I went down rather than strike back but the reality is I could easily have stayed on my feet, as could Peter in that clip.

There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.

The only time you should hit the turf is when you can't physically stand up and players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. It's only when your own won't defend you that players will cop on a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 05:55:00 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.



Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

Quoteplayers holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?

A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 11, 2012, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.

I'm not a regular here, but you seem to have quite the chip on the shoulder when it comes to Kerry for some reason?
Wherever you're from, to try to twist the facts on the 2003 semi final to imply that Kerry were the team employing cycnical tactics is fantasy of the highest order. Tyrone's tactics weren't pretty, but when you're trying to win your 1st AI then its understanable, in hindsight at least. Kerry were shit anyway that day and had gone off the boil under Paidi.
On the Canavan dive: It was disgusting, and anyone defending it is being delusional. Not just the intent to get McCarthy sent off or carded, but the rolling around with his hands on his face which is clearly visible in that clip...sickening. Incidents like that and O'Mahony's dive in 2008 would make you ashamed watching them and really should be punished harshly by refs.

The antidote to all of this "puke" of course was the 2005 final which was a great game deservedly won by Tyrone...playing great football without resorting to any underhand stuff.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cadhlancian on May 11, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:06:52 PM
QuoteOn the Canavan dive: It was disgusting, and anyone defending it is being delusional. Not just the intent to get McCarthy sent off or carded, but the rolling around with his hands on his face which is clearly visible in that clip...sickening. Incidents like that and O'Mahony's dive in 2008 would make you ashamed watching them and really should be punished harshly by refs.

I find it remarkable that you can watch the clip again and still say that. Maybe I am going mad. You just have to watch his feet, the movement and the afters.

Canavan was on the edge that day. He was banging into players right left and centre in those opening moments. A few seconds before that he gave another Kerry player a similar junt. He left the pitch soon after, going over on his ankle when prancing like a march hare. Even in that clip with McCarthy he nearly went over on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
It's a pity when the county people of an offending player go all partisan. The Meath lads and Joe Sheridan and now Throne and St Peter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
It's a pity when the county people of an offending player go all partisan. The Meath lads and Joe Sheridan and now Throne and St Peter.

Again, Peter is no saint. The man has skeletons. In this case, he didn't dive. What about the non-Tyronites who didn't think it was a dive? Is that a pity too?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 05:55:00 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.


Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

Quoteplayers holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?


A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

We're not discussing just one incident, it's indicative of a trend and when you (and others)try to defend the indefensible we need to start worrying about where the game is headed. You clearly couldn't give two fucks though.

On your rather idiotic question, a simple bit of cop on by authorities would answer it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 11, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!


I didn't see it because I chose not to and I have an agenda, are a mind reader or something?? I didn't see any blood and I couldn't care less if there was as he still didn't need to go down holding his face. And what is my agenda?? Please answer this as it should be good.

This is reaching farcical levels with lads trying to defend this. The game will go down the swanny if some of you lads are in the majority with that view.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 05:55:00 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.


Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

Quoteplayers holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?


A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

We're not discussing just one incident, it's indicative of a trend and when you (and others)try to defend the indefensible we need to start worrying about where the game is headed. You clearly couldn't give two f**ks though.

On your rather idiotic question, a simple bit of cop on by authorities would answer it.

We are discussing one incident. Well, I am. From 9 years ago. Instead you've misunderstood the posts and decided to get on a soapbox about issues that the entire country agree with, i.e. a rather pointless contribution.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
Look, if you're defending that then you're defending all diving. I can only presume the colour of the jersey is colouring your view of the incident which is an all too common problem. Anyone who thinks peter's actions after the connection were justified is either a Tyrone man or nuts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 11:07:57 PM
Fair enough. We'll never agree on that. (nuts)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
Its a good job the old meath team of the late 80`s aint playing in this era, they wouldnt have missed u, probably would never have finished a game with a full 15 giving the amount of men lying down after running into Mick lyons, and co, were they dirty, maybe but i loved watching them play, hard and on the edge but if u gave them a sly dig at least you knew they wouldnt lie down and try get you sent off, liley would have cut you in two going for the next ball though, played football for 15yrs and it was only through the early 00`s that a manager would be telling players to lie down if remotley touched, the older guys, myself included refused to do this ending up with get beneched in the process. Player think now its ok to dive its built in from underage up and is coached into teams. Just look back at different eras and how many players did you see lying down trying to get players sent off, it didnt happen, the same people trying to justify divinga re the same people watching soccer thinking its ok when ashley young dives etc, People love Barca in the soccer as a great footballing team, outside messi i have no time for them as a stiff breeze would blow over half their team, soccer mentality has became engrained in gaelic for quitea while, how many rugby players go down playacting, cant remember to many, so instead of people giving excuses for their teams diving, it be better condemning it, i have no time for any of my own county players were at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on May 12, 2012, 08:28:34 AM
And to think some people thought that little gimp was a better player than Maurice Fitzgerald  ::)

Maurice=legend, Canavan= cheating gobshite

end of argument.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
Watched it again there repeatedly and there is no connection whatsoever that would draw blood and still no blood apparent when he is leaving the pitch. But even if Peter's head is made of egg shell and he did get cut it wasn't of the variety required to go down and if the collision meant he lost his footing then no need to stay down. As you say ML to compound matters the officiating was of the standard we come to expect, he didn't see what happened and didn't consult with his fellow officials who might have but still felt confident enough in himself to award a yellow to a full back withing 5 minutes of throw in!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 12, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
Look, if you're defending that then you're defending all diving.

Holy f**k...can you not get that the issue being argued is over whether this is a dive or not?? It has nothing to do with the issue of diving overall, its one incident. There are plenty of instances where canavan has dived, they're indefensible, this isnt defending canavan, its pointing out that in this instance IT WASNT A DIVE
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Eh???? Yes it was a dive, just because there is contact doesn't mean it isn't a dive. It is only when you and others cannot or will not see that this is a dive that the health of the game comes into the argument. If there are functioning adults who have played the game and watched that clip who think it wasn't a dive then there has never been a dive in Gaelic football and all is right in the world. Contact me bollocks, if it wasn't enough to put you down and keep you down then it is a dive. Christ, if we are to accept Peter was legitimately felled by that then pretty much anything short of a lad throwing himself to the ground before anyone else even enters the pitch is ok!!! And that is the point which you clearly don't get.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 12, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Falling on the ground isnt so much as to do with contact as balance ffs. Look at his feet - how to f**k is he supposed to stay up when he bounces off McCarthy. I've already said it was all his own doing, and he may have stayed down too long, but if you can see him throwing himself deliberately to the ground from that video, you're blind.

By your reckoning, if a man goes over on his ankle on the pitch, and falls to the ground, hes just dived. Its nonsensical. Canavan wasnt responsible for kinneavey getting the incident completely arseways
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armaghgeddon on May 12, 2012, 05:19:31 PM
Pete knew that Tyrone were going to lose possession so he took a dive. I bet if Tyrone weren't going to lose the ball he would have went out into space on the far side. Also, it wasn't like he never had enough time to stop and never even put his hands out to stop himself colliding.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 12, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Falling on the ground isnt so much as to do with contact as balance ffs. Look at his feet - how to f**k is he supposed to stay up when he bounces off McCarthy. I've already said it was all his own doing, and he may have stayed down too long, but if you can see him throwing himself deliberately to the ground from that video, you're blind.

By your reckoning, if a man goes over on his ankle on the pitch, and falls to the ground, hes just dived. Its nonsensical. Canavan wasnt responsible for kinneavey getting the incident completely arseways

Will you stop FFS, if he did lose his balance, which is debatable, then he simply should have got up. A dive is not only going to ground for no reason it is also faking injury when there is contact. We could argue all year whether he needed to go down or not and none of us can prove our argument but I think we all agree he exaggerated his injury and in my book that's a dive and shouldn't be justified by any means. Call it what you like but his actions from start to finish are a blight on football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bigpaul on May 12, 2012, 11:11:59 PM
I always thought Peter was a wee shite in this incident!When I saw this argument I studied the clip very closely.If you go to 50 seconds on the clip it takes you to the beginning of the slow-motion replay.In the slow-motion it is clear that Peter actually comes in under Mike Mc Carthy's arm,he certainly doesn't hit Mike's elbow with the front of his head, and goes to ground initially holding his hand to the side/back of his head.On hitting the ground he rolls,on coming out of the roll his hand is holding his face/eye area.I would have to say,if there was blood Peter must have removed an old scab with his gloves while rubbing his face!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Stevie g 8 on May 12, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Anyone that says canavan dived is talking complete shite.Kerry always playing the poor mouth with their whinging after a team stand up to them.canavan was more sinned again than sinner
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on May 12, 2012, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 12, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Anyone that says canavan dived is talking complete shite.Kerry always playing the poor mouth with their whinging after a team stand up to them.canavan was more sinned again than sinner

There's none so blind as those who refuse to see
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:13:19 AM
That's for sure, most of them wearing Tyrone shirts
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2012, 01:42:16 AM
Quoteone of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field

Quite a few in Tyrone followed his example, to be sure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 13, 2012, 03:29:23 AM
He wasn't so special when he tried it on with Johnny McBride ... He was up to all sorts all the time and because he was a small man he got away with it more often than not!!! I have no sympathy for Canavan ever and he should have been the one booked for that appalling dive!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 08:53:19 AM
Authorities lying down to football's con artists

Joe Brolly


Published on Friday 11 May 2012 13:05

With 12 minutes to go in the 1972 All Ireland Hurling Final, the 'Cats' were in dire straits, trailing by eight points to a rampant Cork. Eddie Keher won a ball near the touchline and took a ferocious belt of a hurl in his unguarded face.

Undaunted, he soloed through and drove a remarkable goal to the net. He turned and went back to his position, his face a mask of blood from the deep gash over his eye. The stitches could wait. Keher's goal launched a legendary turnaround. He had been well held until that point but after the 'belt' went into overdrive. By the final whistle he had 2-9 to his name and Kilkenny were champions by seven points. It was a glorious and honourable day.

Mike Mac, Clare trainer during Ger Loughnane's glorious reign, famously said "Men win All-Irelands." In hurling, this is true. I vividly remember sitting in the Cusack stand for the epic '09 final. Tommy Walsh was just in front of us when he got a powerful belt in the face from Tipp's Benny Dunne. The force of it knocked him to the ground but Walsh got straight back up, snarling. Dunne was sent off because the referee had no option, not because Tommy was writhing around on the grass. Hurlers are men of honour. They zealously guard their dignity. Neither I nor anyone in the RTE Sports Department could recall an instance of a hurler feigning injury to get an opponent carded. This is because it does not happen.

The same can no longer be said of Gaelic football. There is a joke that did the rounds a few years ago: Q. Why do hurlers not feign injury? A. Because Tyrone don't play hurling.

In a 2002 World Cup group game, Brazil's Rivaldo was waiting for the ball to take a corner kick against Turkey. A Turkish player kicked the ball towards him as Rivaldo was looking the other way. The lightweight FIFA ball struck him below the knee. The Brazilian dropped to the turf clutching his face, then writhed around in agony on the ground until the referee produced a red card for the hapless Turk. We laughed and smugly shook our heads, certain that such dishonourable behaviour would never deface our game. We're not laughing now.

The following year, the Tyrone bandwaggon rolled into town and the virus of feigning injury was injected into the game. In the first round replay against Derry at Casement, Sean Kavanagh and Derry's Padraig O'Kane ran across each other near the sideline. Sean went down clutching his face. O'Kane was sent off. Slow motion replay revealed minimal contact. In the Ulster final a month later, Down's Gregory McCartan had a free awarded against him and petulantly tossed the ball towards Brian McGuigan who went down hard, hands glued to his face. Another red card. In that year's All-Ireland semi-final versus Kerry, Peter Canavan tried to get Michael McCarthy sent off in the eighth minute in an absolutely shocking incident that has become immortalised on youtube. During a break in play, McCarthy was standing with his back to Peter with his arms outstretched. Canavan ran from behind into his arm, then went to ground clutching his face. McCarthy was yellow carded. Type 'Peter Canavan hits the deck' into your search engine and watch open-mouthed as the incident unfolds. Wee Peter dived so much that year a cartoon appeared of him on the internet in his Tyrone kit, wearing a snorkel and flippers.

The lowest point came in the final when Philip Jordan ran into Diarmuid Marsden off the ball, then went down rolling in anguish on the ground, cradling his jaw. The referee was conned and Marsden was red carded. When Central Council reviewed the video footage a few weeks later they revoked the red card and cleared the Armagh man. In his autobiography Joe Kernan's outrage was still palpable. He wrote of being, "disgusted by the actions of at least one Tyrone player who mockingly clapped Diarmaid off the pitch." The video is still on YouTube. Afterwards, Marsden - a man of integrity - was particularly distraught that his daughter when she grew up would find out her father had been sent off in an All Ireland final. As Kernan put it in his book, "thankfully, at least a good man's name was cleared." Colm Cavanagh did it for Derry's James Conway in this year's McKenna Cup final. There was no contact between them at all. Big Colm, all 6'3'' and 15 stone of him, went down in agony. James was red carded. A somewhat sheepish CHC rescinded it when they watched the video and realised the referee had been taken for a ride. It has become commonplace.

When Kerry's Aidan O'Mahoney got Cork's Donnacha O'Connor sent off in the 2008 semi-final in another YouTube classic, it was another nail in the coffin of sportsmanship. Again, the card was rescinded on appeal. Dublin's Diarmuid Connolly suffered the same fate in last year's semi-final. Donegal's Marty Boyle shouldered Connolly off the ball, Connolly pushed him back in the shoulder and Marty was suddenly unconscious. The Red card was rescinded.

In the recent NFL final, when Mayo's Donal Vaughan took on the role of ham actor, throwing himself backwards to the ground holding his face after a minor shoving match with Cork's Fintan Goold, I said on television that it was a disgrace that was disfiguring the game. Surprisingly, this provoked a massive wave of protest from Mayo folk, which tells you all you need to know about how the ethos of the game has changed. My cousin John plays full back for Dungannon RFC. He told me this week that anyone feigning injury in a rugby game to get an opponent carded would be ostracised by their team mates and club members. It used to be like this in our own game, but not any longer. Not only is it acceptable to cheat, it is now unacceptable to criticise the practice. Sadly, Men no longer win football All-Irelands.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 09:38:56 AM
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fitzroyalty on May 13, 2012, 11:09:27 AM
Why do Tyrone people argue a black crow's white?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 13, 2012, 12:01:24 PM
Rugby isn't the clean sport Joe or cousin John claims it is -


I didn't think it would escalate to the stage it did do," he said, "purely because we all knew that it [faking blood injuries] was something which was happening on a regular basis at other clubs."

Later in the interview, Richards, to earn money during his three-year ban which ends in August, said: "I go to dinners, even to some junior clubs, and people were saying, 'God, we do it [cheating] week in week out...' "Whether people will say it was or was not [going on] is another thing, but most clubs that I've been to – and I don't think there's one that I haven't been to whereby they said it wasn't going on... In my eyes it was pretty prevalent."

In September 2009 the Rugby Football Union published its investigation into Richards's allegations that cheating was widespread. Professional players were asked to contribute to a survey and 129 responded. Of those, five per cent admitted that they had come across faking a blood injury in Test matches and 10 per cent in Premiership and European Cup fixtures.

On the subject of using medical actions to gain an unfair competitive advantage before or during a match, eight per cent said they were aware of it occurring in international games in England or overseas and 15 per cent in Premiership and European contests.

The RFU chose to highlight the fact that the bulk of the contributors had witnessed or experienced nothing of the sort and booted the matter into touch. But Richards, from his recent foray into the after-dinner circuit, is clearly convinced that he was not acting in isolation, and he was supported in that view by a number of professional colleagues at the time.

Three years on Bloodgate remains a stain that can't be washed clean.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2012, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 09:38:56 AM
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Desperate stuff. Embarrassing yourself now.

Brolly is a bollocks of that there is no doubt but he is 100% correct. With the more professional attitude of the early 2000s Tyrone brought the professional attitude to gaining a competitive advantage. I call it cheating. Canavan had a history of it and Cavanagh is an embarrassment. He's over 6 foot and about 15 stone yet he goes over like a 2 year old.

There are none blind as those who will not see.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
What's desperate and how is it embarrassing? Because I challenge the accuracy and motive? I acknowledged the McGuigan incident was shameful.

Why is Brolly singling Tyrone out in a couple of incidents from 9 years ago? When he attempts to do it, you'd think he'd be accurate. Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up. He's inaccurate with the Marsden story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on May 13, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
I thought Tyrone 'dived' their way to their first All-Ireland I had much more respect for them in their other 2 All-Ireland victories as they played better football and cut the diving shite. their first all-ireland was tarnished by this which is something awful as most counties remember their first success the best  and most cherished.

A few weeks after tyrone's first success me and me cousin started to do a 'diving dance' in front of dooher at a popular bar in Derry City; i thought he was gonna clamp us. Young and stupid in those days and we had a few drinks in us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.

Listen, there's nothing more cynical and sickening as diving, whether it's diving to win frees, feigning or embellishing injury or that practice of pulling the defenders arm to pretend to be fouled. Some will attempt to defend it by saying that umpires were ignoring off the ball crap and this was a way of highlighting it. I don't agree with that defence. And bla bla bla - we'll all sing from the same hymnsheet.

However, the incidents Brolly highlight are innaccurate. In my very honest opinion, Canavan didn't dive, Jordan didn't dive but McGuigan did. Yet that was 2003 FFS. I can think of countless other examples from various counties across the span of the last decade. The Sunday Game, which he sits on, hasn't showed the gumption to highlight it on their shows. They should be naming and shaming.

Is he saying that Tyrone introduced it? Is he saying that he didn't buy fouls back in the Derry heyday? He actually says Canavan tried to get McCarthy sent off. I find that remarkably insulting to Canavan and utterly inaccurate. Was Brolly on the SG in 2003? If so, why is he only raising this now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
You are nit-picking around the technicalities of Marsden incident in particular to discredit Brolly's analysis. Simple question "Did Jordan cheat to get Marsden the line?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?

Why would Tyrone want their best player, talisman, top scorer and captain off the field for 5 minutes at a time when they were blitzing Kerry at the start of the game?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
You are nit-picking around the technicalities of Marsden incident in particular to discredit Brolly's analysis. Simple question "Did Jordan cheat to get Marsden the line?"

I was correct to do so. Brolly said 'When Central Council reviewed the video footage a few weeks later they revoked the red card and cleared the Armagh man'. That infers that they saw video evidence to clear him. They did see video evidence and upheld the red card. It was later that it was rescinded on a technicality.

No, Jordan didn't cheat. Could he have gotten straight up after he fell - possibly - I don't know nor does anyone else but Phillip.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
Come on O'Neill you're better than this. This has really gone beyond nit picking. Anybody that's played will have had knocks and bumps through a game. It takes one hell of a box to ground a man and keep him grounded. To say that only Jordan knows if he could get back up is simply cringe-worthy. At the absolute worst he got 'pushed' in the face. It's gettin a bit farcical for me. Might call it a day at this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
Come on O'Neill you're better than this. This has really gone beyond nit picking. Anybody that's played will have had knocks and bumps through a game. It takes one hell of a box to ground a man and keep him grounded. To say that only Jordan knows if he could get back up is simply cringe-worthy. At the absolute worst he got 'pushed' in the face. It's gettin a bit farcical for me. Might call it a day at this.

A heavyweight boxer can get straight back up. What I mean is that only Jordan knows if he was hurt or not. If you got a box in the bake you'd probably stay grounded for a minute or so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?

Why would Tyrone want their best player, talisman, top scorer and captain off the field for 5 minutes at a time when they were blitzing Kerry at the start of the game?

Entirely irrelevant post. I don't know if he had a cut or not and it matters not a whit. The point is he dived and/or exaggerated the effect of the collision, blood or no blood. You, and one or two others, are defending this using barroom 'lawering', with statements like the above. It's pointless continuing this discussion as we have all watched the video and have made up our own minds. My problem is that there is anyone who can view that video and conclude anything other than a dive since this probably means diving will become more prevalent in our game and attempts to punish diving after the fact will flounder on appeals based on BS like 'contact', 'losing balance' etc. But obviously some are happy for the game to go that way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Of course it's relevant. You claim he dived and embellished the effect of little contact. If that was the case, he would not have been removed from the field for minutes to get bandaged up. Canavan has shipped some heavy treatment in the past and played on. Therefore, the contact was a lot more telling (unintentionally) that you realise.

Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 04:37:28 PM
QuoteAgain, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

QuoteOf course it's relevant. You claim he dived and embellished the effect of little contact. If that was the case, he would not have been removed from the field for minutes to get bandaged up. Canavan has shipped some heavy treatment in the past and played on. Therefore, the contact was a lot more telling (unintentionally) that you realise.

Are you for real???? Once again you are using irrelevancies to defend the indefensible, what Peter endured in previous games has nothing to do with what he did in that game. And again you try to use barroom lawering by claiming the contact was so sever he had to leave the field. He left the field because he was, apparently, bleeding and therefore had to by rule, not because the injury was serious. He was sitting up shouting at the ref once he got tired of faking a facial injury so he clearly wasn't seriously hurt.

As I've said, we've all seen the clip and you have your view which it seems your happy to hold on to, therefore there is little more to be said. The incident itself was 9 years ago and didn't effect the outcome but I'm a little worried that the game I grew up with is going down a path that will lead to further embarrassing episodes like the one we're discussing if GAA men can view that clip and conclude anything other than diving.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 14, 2012, 12:21:06 AM
Brolly really is a tool. He should have left this article until the start of June and post a copy of it to the referee of the Armagh Tyrone game. Maybe then they would not get a free and Armagh would have a chance. ;D

Seriously though I think he is great entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 14, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 04:37:28 PM
QuoteAgain, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

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And theres the problem. People like you jumping in identifying everything as a dive would be much more damaging for the game than not bringing in anything at all - every time anyone fell over they'd be banned for weeks. Teams wouldnt be able to field ffs. If its to be eradicated properly, we need to be able to identify dives, and that you've identified canavan as diving from that clip, i.e throwing himself to the ground unnecessarily, means you're not the man for the job. Anyone whos ever played the game should be able to read what happened there, and it didnt include a dive.

And quit your shite about 'gaa men' would see it as diving. What makes you the voice for 'gaa men?'  ;D. As for staying down, how would you determine whether someone stayed down too long? Given that your such a great 'gaa man', have you ever been tossed, fell over, tripped, in a game and not bounced straight back up?? Never been exhausted, no?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 14, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 14, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 04:37:28 PM
QuoteAgain, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

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And theres the problem. People like you jumping in identifying everything as a dive would be much more damaging for the game than not bringing in anything at all - every time anyone fell over they'd be banned for weeks. Teams wouldnt be able to field ffs. If its to be eradicated properly, we need to be able to identify dives, and that you've identified canavan as diving from that clip, i.e throwing himself to the ground unnecessarily, means you're not the man for the job. Anyone whos ever played the game should be able to read what happened there, and it didnt include a dive.

And quit your shite about 'gaa men' would see it as diving. What makes you the voice for 'gaa men?'  ;D. As for staying down, how would you determine whether someone stayed down too long? Given that your such a great 'gaa man', have you ever been tossed, fell over, tripped, in a game and not bounced straight back up?? Never been exhausted, no?

Too exhausted yes, would have probably made it to the knees though.  Can't figure where I'd get the extra energy to hold my face and writhe about on the ground. In all honesty I think Zulu would speak for a larger section of the GAA than yourself or O'Neill. I have never seen such denial. Canavans incident may not have been a dive, as contact, albeit minimal, was made. He may have genuinely lost his balance (I don't believe so). But even if he did there is no excuse for his behaviour on the deck. Things like this, O'Mahony, etc are making this a part of our game. I've never personally had a manager that encouraged it but you can be sure there are a lot about.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how Canavan would have reacted to Paidi's classic box back in the day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballymac on May 14, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the Meath team that stood up and kicked their way to success, and not just kicking the ball over the bar. I remember a game against Mayo and the big basketballer they had getting sent off when 20 men were fighting, ref probably spotted him easier. A certain Coyle kicked and punched a player in front of a linesman (he nearly kicked him as well) and was not even booked, field fights and off the ball incidents. Is that what we want to go back to?

People say that Tyrone were divers etc, but another slant on it is that they played to their strengths ( or lack of them) by making sure they got their frees, they helped the ref make the decision. They played a faster more athletic game which other teams quickly caught on to. The game itself and the way it is refereed also moved in that direction. Meath style teams did not survive, the big physical player who threw his weight around had to develop to be a more agile player. There is still a physical element to the game but certainly not in the way it was in the 80's and 90's. The game is faster and with quick frees and sidelines, the order of the day is to avoid contact. Players tackle better now and it is a more technical game.

I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other. This needs to be eradicated from the game. If your team wins games and gets to finals and win all irelands then you will forgive them things.
All teams play to their own strengths which produce different styles of football, look at Cork Dublin And Donegal. But the one thing that will have an influence on all styles is the way in which games are officiated. I read an article that Kildare had their homework done on the ref for the league final. They knew what his style was and what he would allow. If refs allow more physical contact in tackles etc it will influence how teams will play, the physical make up of players etc. A recent article about a certain Down player who is featuring more in the Down setup had to look at his own body shape and altered his training to get himself more athletic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: ballymac on May 14, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on May 14, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: ballymac on May 14, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?

Did you miss it? He was having a go at Meath.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on May 14, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: ballymac on May 14, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?

Did you miss it? He was having a go at Meath.

It's called penis envy in psychology circles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 14, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.

Different Cavanagh. Different incident. Different decade.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 14, 2012, 02:26:33 PM
O'Neill your as blind as a bat, specsavers for you sur!!! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 14, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.

Different Cavanagh. Different incident. Different decade.

Same family, same action, same result.
With the two boys up to the same thing and in the same article one can easily get confused  :)

Anyway, I don't care who does it or where they are from. It's sickening to watch and leaves a very bad taste. I hope Brolly and the rest are consistent in pointing this out over the summer, regardless of who is involved.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 14, 2012, 04:32:42 PM
Anger management, the F man!

Hey dont worry the Tyrone legacy is not under threat, just every idiot that follows Gaelic games has seen the fun Spillane has had in influencing the populace since 03 and wants a go at it.  As a wise man once said 1 million lemmings walking over a cliff cant be wrong...   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on May 14, 2012, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.

;D It's a bad sign when you can't reach the end of a post without contradicting yourself. That's before you come out with the rest of the crap in the post as well. Feck me your even having a go at Tyrone's social activities. As Fionn said a bit back, Haters got to hate.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
Tyrone are the Apple of Gaelic football. They didn't invent any of the things they're noted for. They just popularised them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on May 14, 2012, 05:07:15 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
Tyrone are the Apple of Gaelic football. They didn't invent any of the things they're noted for. They just popularised them.

Aye if your in your teens.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.

I think you're being harsh there olg. Yes we had a few lads who were keen to goad opposition players to get them sent off but very few who would have exaggerated or taken a dive. The only one I can think of would be Johnny McGurk who would have made a meal of things but never any really bad incidents (other than at club level).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
The goading of Peter Canavan in the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final for a start that led to his sending off, along with Tohill punching McAnallen in the earlier Ulster Championship game and getting away with it.

If I were you I'd be more worried by the fact that Draperstown is now becoming half full of Tyrone natives, alongside the other half turning into xenophobic rednecks.

Bummer,

You are moving the goalposts somewhat if your starting to include goading, the topic here is diving is it not? Poor aul Peter was well fit for the goading, he preferred to get his retaliation in first on most occassions, and not with taunting either. Jesus if your including one player punching another we will be here from now till Fermanagh win an Ulster Championship, although he didnt punch him either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on May 14, 2012, 06:06:05 PM
Great to see PTG create such debate even 7 years after he retired from County football.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here. If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!

I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?

Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here! And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!

Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:46:28 PMBummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?

Bummer,

Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here.
Nope. We were talking about Joe Brolly.

Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMIf you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
A bit harsh slagging off your own players!

Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMI'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?
It was half Tyronies, half xenophobic rednecks, but hey. Tirruadh is full of Tyrone exiles these days, I was up around the place a couple of days before the NFL2 final between Tyrone & Kildare and the amount of Tyrone flags out were ridiculous! As for the natives being xenophobic rednecks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321)

Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMAlso is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here!
Hmmm...
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMIf you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
You couldn't pwn yourself easier if you were Tony Fearon!

Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMAnd you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!
No need! Dirty and unsportsmanlike conduct are my pet hates, which includes - but not limited to - feigning injury or simulation. It's not me being a la carte about playing conduct in the GAA.

Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PMGood to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...
As opposed to the siege mentality that exists among clubs in much of south L/Derry? Pretty legendary across Ireland, only Kerry and Laois club hurling comes close.

So with regard to my very simple and easily worded question you have no examples and have engaged in whataboutery in order to score some cheap points . . . fair enough I suppose I should have understood the level I was dealing with before I asked.

PS. Tirruadh isn't in Draperstown ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
I've heard it all now, someone from Fintona calling other people rednecks. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on May 14, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
The L/Derry inferiority complex has reached epidemic levels. :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 08:57:42 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 14, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
The L/Derry inferiority complex has reached epidemic levels. :D

How do you work that out?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:46:28 PMBummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?

Bummer,

Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.

QuoteThe funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.

Now I know there are some rough elements to parts of these towns on Saturday nights that I'd avoid (though there's c***ts like that in every town with a bit of nightlife beyond a pub, I know from being out in/working at a nightclub in Enniskillen) but these are pretty much restricted to venues that attract sixth formers, young apprentices and some university students - the more "mature" venues don't tend to be plagued as such bar the odd occasion. At least in Omagh anyway. So the only conclusion I can make is that you like to be chasing anything that on Monday to Fridays is in a pleated skirt. Now I don't know about you but I consider myself a bit old for that.

Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 14, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 14, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Jayzus, stop typing the word 'pussy'..what age are ye?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 15, 2012, 07:59:34 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 14, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!

Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 15, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 15, 2012, 07:59:34 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 14, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!

Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.

If Josef Fritzl was from Tyrone he wouldn't be as quick to admit that he is "pretty bad".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 15, 2012, 10:46:01 AM
Jaysus, I skipped a few pages and it went from Canavan's Swan Lake to Josef Fritzel? Bizarre twist even for GAABOARD. :)

Anyhow, it was a dive :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 15, 2012, 10:50:54 AM
Joe Brolly to Joe Fritzl - it's a bit of a leap, but it does give me an idea about how to get rid of the RTÉ Nualas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 15, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.

That was well debated at the time but I wouldn't call it the "worst incident of the lot" by a long stretch. There was technically a strike even if Dooher did make a holy meal of it. Canavan's there is far worse. Don't agree with Brolly either that hurling is sacrosanct from diving, a John Gardiner incident from a couple of years ago readily springs to mind.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ulick on October 05, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Donated a kidney today. Fair play.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 05, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
100% right Ulick. Will always regard him in a very high regard now no matter what he says or does. Not too many prepared to make a sacrifice like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 05, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
That is an amazing piece of altruism. I expected to read it was a family member, but it was a clubmate. I'll see Joe in a new light now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maddog on October 05, 2012, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 05, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
That is an amazing piece of altruism. I expected to read it was a family member, but it was a clubmate. I'll see Joe in a new light now.

Well done Joe, an incredibly selfless act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maguire01 on October 05, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
Fair play Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Nice touch by him all right, fair dues to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on October 05, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.

oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hope that was in jest
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on October 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 05, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.

oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hope that was in jest

I don't think it was. Shameful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on October 05, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
An absolute hero. Okay, one part of his life is putting across his views on a game on national tv, naturally hes going to court controversy, but look at the all round picture; one of the most successful barristers in Ireland, a great county player, a superb club player with incredible longevity (played til 42 I think?), fully involved in the club as a coach, always willing to support any event hes asked to, great family man, I could go on, but theres enough there to call him an example to everyone. The only problem is, its very hard to look at this objectively whenever you're within earshot of him  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cadence on October 05, 2012, 09:27:47 PM
what a star.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens abu on October 05, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
Fair play that is some selfless act,few of us would do that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 05, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
One hell of a gesture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on October 05, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
Fair play to him. How many of us can honestly say we would do the same?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 05, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
Fair play to him. How many of us can honestly say we would do the same?
Depends if they were a United supporter or not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 05, 2012, 10:29:58 PM
A great gesture all right. As EU says, there are few of us would do it.

But now he'll be slumped over worse than ever on TSG :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Holy fcuk he must be a good friend!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on October 05, 2012, 11:17:59 PM
Maybe Spillane can donate a couple of inches off his flute to the bould Marty Morrissey  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:41:12 PM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: glens abu on October 05, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
Fair play that is some selfless act,few of us would do that.
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on October 06, 2012, 02:40:40 AM
Great deed ... not a lot else to be said. My estimation of the man has risen greatly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Muchachos on October 06, 2012, 04:23:08 AM
Fair play to him. Might not allways agree with him but that's a hell of an act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 06, 2012, 05:31:50 AM
Well done Joe. I've always liked him as an analyst too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on October 06, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:41:12 PM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

Fair play Moysider. I just got the paper there and the first thing I thought of was 'What will the Mayos think of that?'.
If I had to do it for my son I'd be scared shitless and he has done it for someone he isn't even related to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: give her dixie on October 06, 2012, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Great story Bannside, and I hope both men make a full recovery and live life to the full.

What Joe has done is one of the most selfless acts any person could do for another. As the saying goes, to save the life of one man is to save all of humanity.

Full respect to Joe, and no doubt he will inspire others to take the same leap in the future.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
'Brolly giving kidney, Brolly giving life'!  An amazing story and could not be underestimated how much this will mean to so many people.  Joe is a bigger man than many people could even imagine and I wish him and the young Finnegan lad the best in their recovery.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 06, 2012, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:41:12 PM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

+1 Moysider .  This man has made my blood boil so much so much over the past few years , jesus i don't think i have had a good word to say about the man,  however what can you say  when you read what he has done . Inspirational . I'm trying to imagine would i be able to do what Joe has just done and truth be told  i don't think I'd be brave enough .   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stephenite on October 06, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
A wonderful gesture by Joe, shows the quality of the man as a human being.

I reserve the right to question his qualities as a Gaelic football analyst, as they are very separate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 06, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 06, 2012, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:41:12 PM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

+1 Moysider .  This man has made my blood boil so much so much over the past few years , jesus i don't think i have had a good word to say about the man,  however what can you say  when you read what he has done . Inspirational . I'm trying to imagine would i be able to do what Joe has just done and truth be told  i don't think I'd be brave enough .

Aye, you have to hand it to the fecker, wouldnt have agreed with much of what he has said (or mostly the way he has gone about it) but this has made that pale into insignificance.

Well done Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
That's just brilliant. Fair play to him. Of course he is still going to annoy the shite out of me on TSG, as he obviously sets out to do, but really who cares about that stuff in the long run?

The long run is what sort of a man you are when you shut the door behind you at home, and Brolly is obviously someone you can rely on as friend and as a human being.

Well done Joe, and best wishes to the Finnegan lad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rois on October 06, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
Wow.

Selfless act and underlines the goodness in human nature.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
Fair play Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 06, 2012, 10:59:41 AM
Quote from: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.


Brolly spent a lifetime taking the piss out of people on TV. Now he's taken it to a new level.

Before anyone starts, it's a joyous occasion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on October 06, 2012, 11:04:46 AM
Joe yer a crazy hoor !!

While Joe is a good bit mischevious in his media forays, there are always at least two perspectives to everything and Joe just gives his.

What Joe has done here is humbling. He has shown true courage and loyalty - two words that are the ultimate mantra and ethos in the Dungiven plateau region!

Blow Joe , yer a credit to yer family, friends, clubs, Dungiven, County, Ireland and in my opinion - the GAA and all that is great about our association as if not for the football club link, young Finnegan might still be waiting - instead he found a friend and donor.

Fair play Joe- speedy recovery so you can get back to Mayobashing asap !! ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Glensman on October 06, 2012, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on October 05, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
An absolute hero. Okay, one part of his life is putting across his views on a game on national tv, naturally hes going to court controversy, but look at the all round picture; one of the most successful barristers in Ireland, a great county player, a superb club player with incredible longevity (played til 42 I think?), fully involved in the club as a coach, always willing to support any event hes asked to, great family man, I could go on, but theres enough there to call him an example to everyone. The only problem is, its very hard to look at this objectively whenever you're within earshot of him  ;D

+1 on all fronts. Fair play Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southdown on October 06, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19854325
Nice picture here
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on October 06, 2012, 12:07:21 PM
Unreal. Many wouldnt do that, dont know if i could.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
Fair play to him, as Gold said I dont know if I could.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 06, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
Fair play to Brolly - a selfless act and a huge personal sacrifice.
It doesn't change my opinion of him as a disgrace of a "football analyst" in any way though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on October 06, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 06, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
Fair play to Brolly - a selfless act and a huge personal sacrifice.
Couldn't agree more

Quote from: Tubberman on October 06, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
It doesn't change my opinion of him as a disgrace of a "football analyst" in any way though.
Couldn't disagree more
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
Ah here, Joe's been chatting shite for 20 years, his kidney's get a handy enough time of it.

In fairness though a sound gesture, what are the odds of getting a donor compatible from outside your family? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2012, 01:39:05 PM
fair play to him, not many would do that! and i be a fair critic of him at times in a football sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 06, 2012, 02:05:52 PM
A selfless act by Brolly, he has set a great example for us all. I hope he returns to his old WUM days soon so that I can start ignoring the fecker again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 06, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
What a fantastic thing to do for a friend. I take my hat off to Joe for this. While many of us may disagree with some of his opinions, he also makes many brave and good calls and is never afraid to swim against the tide. What an example of single-mindedness and courage. His actions should encourage all of us to think about donating blood and consider others less fortunate. No matter what else he does in life he will always be known as Joe the Organ Donor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Went to primary school with Shane, Bannside, his mum was the Vice Principle (Ma Finnegan) at St Finnian's on the lower Falls, decent fella and I haven't seen him since he stop playing christ over 22 years now, getting old.

Anyways fair play to Joe and no better recipient than Shane, I can still see him coming to school everyday in his shorts!! Kids wearing shorts on the Falls during the seventies was unheard off  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on October 06, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Can't say good enough about this gesture, I and a large proportion of people couldn't do it. Well done Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 06, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
Now that's putting your money where your mouth is, good man Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 06, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Only one word properly describes this act of selflessness - heroic. Joe truly is one of life's gentlemen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ha ha derry on October 06, 2012, 05:21:16 PM
One of the GAA 's finest. Good man Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 06, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
Ronan Rocks ‏@RonanRocks1
"Just got a txt from Joe Brolley, he said..Not many Antrim men runnin round with a bit of an All-Ireland winner in him! #totallegend #wataman"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnpower on October 06, 2012, 08:53:56 PM
Great gesture well done Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on October 06, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
only joe could think about that quote met him early this year told me donegal would win all ireland if they tweaked their system of playing how right he was but i did not believe him how right he was in his analyis
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 06, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Lets not forget that Joe is self employed. If a barrister is not in court he is not earning money, not as big a sacrifice as giving one of his kidneys, but giving up 2 months earnings on top of it adds a bit to Joes sacrifice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 06, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Lets not forget that Joe is self employed. If a barrister is not in court he is not earning money, not as big a sacrifice as giving one of his kidneys, but giving up 2 months earnings on top of it adds a bit to Joes sacrifice.

That said, losing 2 months wages pales in significance when compared to losing a kidney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: crossfire on October 06, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
Fair play to you Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
It is some gesture alright as there is the obvious risk of the donor developing kidney issues in later life and not having a ready standby. Big balls.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on October 07, 2012, 12:43:02 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 06, 2012, 11:11:52 PM
As a pundit he is someone who could be shot with a ball of his own shite over and over again.

As an everyday person though there's not many other acts of selflessness you can do at least if you're not dead from doing so. A brilliant gesture.

Agree with your summation of his punditry, and yes, fairs dues, it was a very decent deed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: balladmaker on October 07, 2012, 12:56:09 AM
Unbelievable gesture by anyone's standards, takes a very special person to choose to donate one of their organs, not too many would have the bottle to do what Joe has done in this situation ... unreal is an understatement!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Pangurban on October 07, 2012, 02:50:34 AM
A genuine candidate for Irishman of the year
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: wherefromreferee? on October 07, 2012, 12:25:39 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213997/Cousin-I-save-inspired-Joe-Brolly-reveals-personal-tragedy-weeks-selfless-sacrifice-brainer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If the link doesnt work, I'll cut & paste.

Some man for one man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 07, 2012, 06:24:18 PM
It's an absolutely brilliant story and it would do your heart good to think that there are decent skins like that out there in the world.

I think it's also important to praise his wife and brothers who were also willing to donate, but I suppose the fact that Joe was a relative stranger makes it even more fantastic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 07, 2012, 06:38:52 PM
'the taj mahal of kidneys' ;D

quality. great story. well played joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2012, 08:19:30 PM
I've always liked Joes look on the game, he's not a man that sits on the fence and he purposely winds people up, far better than any of the other boys
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lawnseed on October 07, 2012, 08:24:19 PM
i've met joe a couple of times and had a drink with him before the aif in 2002 when he was on his way to rte. hes a great man for a bit of craic. this kidney donation shows him in a completely different light. this is a very brave act hard enough for someone whos related to you never mind anyone else. very manly, a true friend. he'll be full of craic about this and make light of it, but its a great thing to do.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on October 07, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
I like Brolly. Years ago we were sitting outside Cutter's Wharf on a lovely summers evening. Mate of mine from Tyrone came back from the bar with a round and said out loud.."that wee wnaker Joe Brolly's in there. I'm gonna fcuk him into the Lagan." Next thing Brolly arrives out with a tray full of drink for 3 or 4 women companions at the next table to us who had obviously heard what our Tyrone friend said. They made a point of telling him that he had a fan at the next table. He came over and had the banter and was great crack all night. Sound bloke.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on October 07, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Fair play to Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Windmill abu on October 08, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
QuoteWhat Joe has done is one of the most selfless acts any person could do for another. As the saying goes, to save the life of one man is to save all of humanity.

What Joe has done makes us all proud to be part of the GAA community



That his mother comes from Tyrone makes us even prouder and explains the altruism
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on October 08, 2012, 10:10:25 AM
I've often planned to have him wake up in a bath of ice with 2 kidney sized holes either side of his belly, but the fact that he did it of his own volition to a cousin he hardly knows shows great generousity, especially when you consider that on average, donating a kidney removes 10 years off your life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on October 08, 2012, 10:20:08 AM
I've always admired Joe. Always liked his style. Always thought he had a great mind and was brilliant at his getting his point across.

But to volunteer to donate a kidney to a friend who was unrelated apart from a love of football is just mindblowing.

What can you say about such a selfless act ?


Joe talks a lot on tv and he can talk.

He was able to walk the walk as well but this takes him to a different level.

It's hard to find words for this.


Well done Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louth Exile on October 08, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
Fair Play to you Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Heaven on October 08, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
Know Shane is a proud Antrim man and I'm sure he is delighted to have an All Ireland winning Kidney in him. Its impossible to describe the gesture by Joe Brolly. What he has done is given Shane & his wife, children, Family & Friends a large part of his life back. 3 days a week for the last 4 years he would have to leave work at 5pm, go the Royal for 7.30 and have 3-4 hrs Dialysis treatment.

Fair Play Mr Brolly - I hope everything works out for all concerned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
Brolly gave up his kidney and two months work? W.O.W.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Feckitt on October 08, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
Brolly gave up his kidney and two months work? W.O.W.

Instant Karma is gonna get you!!!  Generosity will repay itself tenfold.  If you give you will recieve.  Fortune favours the brave.

Most of these oul sayings are still around because they are true.  Well Done Joe, se mo laoch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on October 08, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Fair play to him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on October 08, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
 8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on October 08, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.

As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 08, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: thebuzz on October 08, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.

As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)

He takes cheap digs at amateur players and puts the boot in when they're down. There's nothing clever about that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 08, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Great gesture by Joe the person, but Joe the pundit is still a world class w@nker IMHO. Deliberatlely trying to influence the ref the lead up to the AIF with his 28 yellow card comments-absolutely fvcking disgrace
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 08, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 08, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Great gesture by Joe the person, but Joe the pundit is still a world class w@nker IMHO. Deliberatlely trying to influence the ref the lead up to the AIF with his 28 yellow card comments-absolutely fvcking disgrace

You what now??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
What an absolute legend of a man. Always admired him and will now admire him even more.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 08, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Yeah, sure I have always liked Brolly :-X

I hope Joe's post op recovery is complete and will be able to dander along nobly to an old age with his single kidney.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on October 09, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
regardless of his many day jobs, Joe Brolly has proven his humanity/christianity/selflessness by this amazing act...

the support for the McGirr Family and the Spirit of Paul McGirr...again with Cormac McAnallen and the Cormac Trust and the Campa Chormaic. The Micheala Foundation. The fundraising for the Fermanagh man (whose name excapes me) in San Francisco. Carde Catherine. And all the others who garner support from within...

Having someone like Brolly, from within our code committing to that act of pure kindness - all of the above...makes me proud to be a Gael.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wild Guess on October 09, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 20, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 20, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
You just wouldnt want to get on the end of Brollys tongue.  He writes brilliantly but when hes on the form he takes everyone out.  You could see more teams boycotting interviews over stuff like this.

Brolly is a jerk

I'm with you NBA ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: North Man on October 10, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
With the profile Joe has and is building upon, i could easily see him take over from Michael D in 6 years
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
A lot of people seem to be asking the question is he a good guy or a bad guy.
I think if we're honest he's like most of us he's both. Obviously what he did here was a massive gesture and from what I read he's obviously done a lot of other good things as well.

I think his heart in the right place but to me his personality is the problem. He shoots from the hip too often and doesn't care who he hurts or what he says. He's obviously an  intelligent guy and you need to be to be a good barrister which I believe he is. He is able to think very fast on his feet but in my eyes is over confident and won't let others have their opinion or at least not respect their opinion.
When Tyrone were winning matches back from 03-08 I was a huge fan as he talked us up all the time and often spoke the truth to Spillane and Co who seem to hate anything Ulster.
However, in the cold light of day his craving to be the centre of attention at every event and always need to be funniest and can never take a back seat. I actually cringe now when he is on cos all the RTE guys now seem to love to hate him and he is quite rude to them as won't let them speak.
I wonder what he thinks when he watches himself of the Sunday game or is he too full of himself to do that.

I always laugh when I think of the time he was live on the phone on Newstalk and near the end of the interview he says " I have to go here, these weans are going mad".

So whilst he is a bit of a bollix to chat to imho, he also seems to have a heart of gold.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 10, 2012, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.

Nonsense!! He let Mayo away with murder. After the 2 goals Mayo consistently hit 3rd man tackles all over the pitch and were basically let away with it.

Brolly most definitely had a point in what he said but maybe he should have highlighted the fact that Donegal are no strangers to a bit of gamesmanship themselves!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 10, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
Has anybody got the article that paddy heaney done on joe brolly the other day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
Exactly screenexile. Last year and earlier this year Brolly was laying into Donegal for their unsavoury side and their gamesmanship but like he did with Tyrone back in the noughties he picks who he thinks is gonna win and sticks his colours to their mast.
I bet you now he'll be praising Donegal for the next few years until the next best thing comes along.

Does anyone know how the other pundits get on with him?
It must be tough on his kids going to matches with him nowadays.
That story he told in the Gaelic Life where his young lad was a bit scared from the Cork fans, sums the man up to me. He's more worried about his own ego than other things around him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 10, 2012, 05:33:35 PM
Not to mention that it's incredibly insulting to any Referee worth his  salt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 10, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 10, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
Exactly screenexile. Last year and earlier this year Brolly was laying into Donegal for their unsavoury side and their gamesmanship but like he did with Tyrone back in the noughties he picks who he thinks is gonna win and sticks his colours to their mast.
I bet you now he'll be praising Donegal for the next few years until the next best thing comes along.

Does anyone know how the other pundits get on with him?
It must be tough on his kids going to matches with him nowadays.
That story he told in the Gaelic Life where his young lad was a bit scared from the Cork fans, sums the man up to me. He's more worried about his own ego than other things around him.

Are you serious man?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.

You don't know that for sure.  We can all find examples of that or pick out statements by the pundits to suit our cause. Back in 2003 Armagh and Francie Bellew got villified that whole summer (not just in the run up to one match) by the likes of Colm O'Rourke and Spillane for being over physical.  Did that register with referees? Who knows. But what's the point in speculating or bemoaning it. Ultimately Mayo didn't win the AI this year because of a lack of a target man or two in the forwards. Not because of Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on October 10, 2012, 09:44:07 PM
some people seem to miss the point with Brolly.
I know him - not well enough to shitetalk about him and name drop like every columnist was doing at the start of the week in the irish news - from heany, tierney and even in the bsuiness section with mcerlane

they all had a story to tell about joe. Joe the footballer. Joe the barrister. Joe the pundit. Joe the father. Joe the friend. Joe the donor.

And that is the point - brolly is pretty good at everything he does.

As a pundit, i think he is a ****. changing his mind like the weather. talking shite to wind people up, adn you knwo what it is his job to do that. if he was safe, hed not be on tv.

he is a sublime barrister - i know this from fact.
his credentials as a father are none of my business, but he has 5 kids and id say they have every chance of being brought up 100%

he is basically good at everything he does - a quick look in the mirror for most of us, should ask some serious self refelctive questions, if we cannot acknowledge that his act of selflessness, with thon kidney, is just f**king unbelievable.

I still think that as a pundit he is a jibbering bollox - but i still watch him on TV.

As an aside, Im suprised that spillane hasnt tried to out do brolly by giving away 2 kidneys...

keep on trucking joe, ye f**king slabber
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 11, 2012, 08:21:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was

+1 (Nail on the head)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 11, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
Quit f**king moaning lads. More time spend on the field and less complaining about Brolly is what Mayo need. If you want something to debate then why not wax lyrical about Mayo's planned effort to take out Donegal's key men in the AI final. Although I suppose the dirty challenges on McHugh, McGlynn, Murphy and Lacey could just have been a coincidence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
Who's moaning??? Donegal won fairnand square and deserved to win. No decision tilted the game,

All im saying is in spite of him being a wonderful person for what he did for his friend, as a commentator, I think he's a pr1ck of the highest order
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 11, 2012, 09:54:31 PM
I think the man has got a bit carried away with himself on tv to be honest. He appears to think he's of superior intelligence to the other pundits and undermines them like their opinions don't matter. I would guess hs is more intelligent but that makes his opinions no more valid than anyone else and he needs to realise this. He has also went a bit far on mayo as this thread illustrates it. I thought there was an element of sinister ness to his referee rant too though to be honest I thought the ref gave mayo plenty bar the free before the second goal.

All that being said the man does so much for charity and what he's done here have to be commended as remarkable acts of human kindness.

So as some have said - as a Tv pundit he's a gobshite but outside that he's clearly a very good hearted man.

So joe if you're reading how about bringing some of that into your punditry rather than being patronising and constantly winding up for the sake of winding up?? give us something insightful like you're capable of...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 12, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 11, 2012, 08:21:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Quote from: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was

+1 (Nail on the head)


So a manager comments in public about a referee in advance of a game and this is a legitimate and acceptable attempt to influence the referee. A pundit, whose job it is to comment on the game, including the standard of refereeing, comments in public about a referee in advance of a game and this is unacceptable.

Have I got that right? It's hard to keep up with the unwritten rules of how we're allowed to comment on Mayo.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 12, 2012, 11:20:35 AM
Hardy, all due respect, he did more than comment on the standard of refereeing.

Reading his post match comments give me all the context I need to understand what he was trying to accomplish with his pre match comments.

If you think it within a pundits remit to attempt to influence a referee before a game, that's an opinion you're absolutely entitled to. It's one I respectfully disagree with.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 12, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
Fair enough, Whitey, but my point was not about the propriety of comments from pundits or managers, but about your suggestion that it was acceptable for the manager to comment, but not for the pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 12, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
Who's moaning??? Donegal won fairnand square and deserved to win. No decision tilted the game,

All im saying is in spite of him being a wonderful person for what he did for his friend, as a commentator, I think he's a pr1ck of the highest order
Amen to all that, especially your closing sentiment.

Some years ago, Monaghan appeared in an Ulster final. (Can't recall the year.)
Tommy Freeman was injured in the lead up to the game and lined out with a heavily bandaged hand. Apparently, the damage was self-inflicted. Freeman, who is a roofer, had discharged a Hilti nail  and drove it through this hand.
Brolly saw something funny in this and kept on making sarcastic references to Freeman's ability as a  roofer and as a marksman throughout the game.
"Monaghan people have been known to shoot themselves in the foot but here's a twist, the man who shot himself in the hand is opting to take this free. " was just one of his witty observations and there were loads more.
No one else in the commentary studio saw anything funny in what was going on out on the field or in Brolly's witticisms either. Nobody responded to his sarcastic observations  and rightly so.
I had very little  time for the man coming up to the game and none whatever since.
Last year he had a right go at Donegal for their negative spoiling approach to the game and this year it was Mayo's turn. God alone knows who the gobshite will turn his attention to next year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Heaven on October 15, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
devastated to hear transplant has not been successful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 15, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
God, that's awful news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 15, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 15, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
God, that's awful news.

feck  :(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens abu on October 15, 2012, 07:10:50 PM
Awful sad news
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on October 15, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
Awful news.  :-[
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 15, 2012, 07:28:51 PM
Ah no. That'd break your heart.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 15, 2012, 07:36:44 PM
It is shocking news. I feel desperately for both men involved. With luck, Mr Finnegan will be able to lead a full life in spite of this drawback and I wish Joe all the best also.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 15, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
Sad news. It's a good reminder to talk to our loved ones about organ donation so peoples wishes are clear to everyone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 15, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
That's rough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on October 15, 2012, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 15, 2012, 07:28:51 PM
Ah no. That'd break your heart.

Mc Stay ????

In all seriousness desperate stuff, Will brolly be re-operated on to have the kidney back
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sportacus on October 15, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
What a massive disappointment.  Don't know how this.works now medically but I hope they both get back on their feet soon.  They give it a go -  fair play to them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 15, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
That is just awful news. God bless both
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on October 16, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
Sad news indeed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 16, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
Ah shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on October 16, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
f**k it. That's rough luck.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
Sad that it didn't achieve its effect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dundrumite on November 11, 2012, 11:00:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231239/My-kidney-op-devastating-truth.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: catchandkick on November 12, 2012, 12:40:40 AM
Very interesting (and sad unfortunately) article.

Brolly is an extremely bright guy and a unique individual.

Massive kudos to him for his efforts here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
Jaysus that's awful unfortunate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on November 14, 2012, 12:10:40 PM
All-Ireland-winning footballer and RTÉ analyst Joe Brolly has spoken of the devastation he suffered on hearing his kidney donation to a friend had failed.

The 43-year-old barrister from Derry told RTÉ News at One it was an agonising time but he "would do it all again tomorrow if he could".

The organ that was transplanted to Shane Finnegan last month stopped working when complications were discovered nine days after the major operation.

Brolly said Shane's wife called in the middle of the night to tell him the operation had failed. He said despite claims Shane's body had rejected the organ, the kidney was in fact starved of oxygen because of a blood clot.

"There was obviously deep disappointment," he said. "The kidney that had been working perfectly had to be taken out. There was no rejection as we understand it. It was all the more agonising for that.

Brolly said he "would be trying to get on", adding that he has started back running and hoped to return to work next month.

"I would do it all again tomorrow if I could" - Joe Brolly"But for Shane it's different" he said. "Because the stakes are very high, it wasn't really the sort of game you could afford to lose. For Shane, it was obviously was a hammer blow.

"The clock is ticking and he needs a kidney from a live donor urgently. He is very weak, he has lost a few stone and is very frail but mentally he is very strong."

Brolly insisted people should not be afraid of being a living donor.

"The scientific community isn't sure why we have two kidneys," he added. "You only need one kidney. Once you are healthy, you can be a living donor.

"If someone were interested, they can easily contact me, north or south. If someone put their hands up, the process is excellent, you know it's something well worth doing. I would do it all again tomorrow if I could."

He said it's been a great lesson for his children and the wider community, including St. Bridget's GAA club, where both he and Shane coached at under-age level.

During his time in hospital he said: "You could see lives being saved everyday".

There are currently 600 people in the Republic waiting for a kidney transplant, 200 in Northern Ireland - including Shane Finnegan.

Brolly added: "Between eight and 10 percent of those will die without getting a kidney and it's an awful waste, because if people filled out a donor card, it would make a massive, massive difference to other people's lives."

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heganboy on November 14, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on October 10, 2012, 09:44:07 PM
some people seem to miss the point with Brolly.
I know him - not well enough to shitetalk about him and name drop like every columnist was doing at the start of the week in the irish news - from heany, tierney and even in the bsuiness section with mcerlane


mecerlean and Brolly are the oldest of friends, they grew up together both boarding at St Pats Armagh for 7 years, and in addition played on the same Irish underage basketball teams. Thats not name dropping, thats a shout out to one of your best mates.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 17, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning. I'll stick up a link when it's available.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on November 17, 2012, 01:05:59 PM
QuoteAstonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning.

Reluctant as I am to agree with a Down man, I couldn't agree more.

here's the link (http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#rii=9%3A20110068%3A70%3A17%2D11%2D2012%3A&type=radio)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: catchandkick on November 17, 2012, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 17, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning. I'll stick up a link when it's available.

Is it along the lines of the Daily Mail article? Parts of that were very deep.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on November 20, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
Great to hear that there may be a couple of other donors coming forward.  The GAA can really be a remarkable organisation at times. 

QuoteFresh hope in search for kidney donor says Brolly

ALL-Ireland winner Joe Brolly has revealed that three more live donors - including two GAA figures - are lining up to help Shane Finnegan, who needs a kidney transplant.

The former Derry GAA All-Star, now a pundit, donated one of his kidneys to his friend and clubmate Mr Finnegan at the start of last month.

But less than two weeks later, doctors confirmed that the transplant had failed due to a rare blood clot.

Mr Brolly has now revealed that two figures in the GAA are undergoing tests in a Belfast hospital to help save the life of Mr Finnegan.

Another person has also come forward to help the stricken father-of-three find a suitable match.

Mr Finnegan, a PR executive who coaches under-10s GAA with Mr Brolly, is now back on dialysis and desperately needs a kidney.

Mr Brolly said he was very concerned for his friend's future health, adding that he was now helping in the search for a new living donor.

"What's next is that he needs a volunteer. He needs a donor," Mr Brolly told RTE radio.

"Without betraying any confidence, two people have already gone in to be tested in Belfast. Another person is coming to see me next week.

"Two of them are from very, very strong GAA backgrounds and obviously the GAA community has been superb.

"He needs a donor - a living donor. A deceased donor is no good for him. I was just in that miserable one per cent with Shane."

Mr Brolly, a father-of-five who won the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship with Derry in 1993, had made the decision to donate a kidney to Mr Finnegan after having known him only for a short time.

Before the transplant, Mr Finnegan (40) was having dialysis three nights a week for the past six years after suffering kidney failure. He had not told his children of his health problems.

It was the third transplant the father-of-three had undergone, with one having failed after 12 years.

Mr Brolly said he found out that the transplant had failed in a phone call from his friend's "distraught" wife, Catherine Finnegan.

"It was such a miserable finale to something that has been so exultant. I mean obviously it's a miserable situation for me but for Shane's family and for Shane, this was it," he said.

"Everything had been so good and the experts were agreed that this was the best possible situation for them in advance.

"Everything had gone so well for the physical transplant and then for such a small thing to destroy it all was very agonising.
   


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 16, 2013, 10:42:15 PM
Interview with Joe Brolly on The Nolan Show tonight
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on January 16, 2013, 11:28:25 PM
Joe please dont crack a joke over the Union fleg!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2013, 12:04:02 AM
He was smiling all the way, probably laughing at all the uneducated fools in the crowd, east belfast be the new location for shameless. Had the crowd knew his father was in Sinn Fein, would he have got the same response
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Club Rossa on January 17, 2013, 08:32:53 AM
Was waiting for him to comment on the flags issue,he would have torn some of those boys to shreds.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on January 17, 2013, 09:49:10 AM
Fair play to him. Gutted for them both that it rejected. He is an example to all in humanity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on January 17, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
Inspiring story and really shows how important it is to put yourself on the Donor List today. Selfish not to.

The perfect antidote to all the rabble that went on before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on January 17, 2013, 03:44:20 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pwdcf (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pwdcf)

I can't access it down here in Dublin though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 19, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.

Really, hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred, on a programme filmed in Ulster. Find that hard to believe. He is always singing the praises of Ulster football. If it were filmed in Kerry or Mayo then I would not be surprised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fr. Cyril McDuff on January 19, 2013, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 19, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.

Really, hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred, on a programme filmed in Ulster. Find that hard to believe. He is always singing the praises of Ulster football. If it were filmed in Kerry or Mayo then I would not be surprised.

Don't think you appreciate the make up of the audience that evening. Was full of Tyrone wans.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
Nah, if it was a Tyrone infected audience, they would have been asking Joe to give Shane his other kidney.

Joe handled the interview (after walking into such a toxic atmosphere) with consummate ease and that segment was inspirational.  Though I thought he looked a bit thin and somewhat haggard, I hope he doesn't have any comebacks on his own health after all the kidney donor experience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fr. Cyril McDuff on January 19, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
Nah, if it was a Tyrone infected audience, they would have been asking Joe to give Shane his other kidney.

Joe handled the interview (after walking into such a toxic atmosphere) with consummate ease and that segment was inspirational.  Though I thought he looked a bit thin and somewhat haggard, I hope he doesn't have any comebacks on his own health after all the kidney donor experience.

Thought that too, though would imagine the process would lead to some weight loss.
Should have had Joe on for the first part too, would loved to have seen him tear into the braying mob. No better man for ripping the piss out of a shower like that. Bloody Tyronies  >:( ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: All of a Sludden on February 05, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/organ-donation-opt-out-plan-for-northern-ireland-583696.html

Proposals to introduce a presumed consent system of organ donation in Northern Ireland have been announced.

Stormont's political leaders have launched a public consultation exercise on the potential change.

The opt-out system would mean people would be presumed to have given consent for their organs to be donated upon their death, unless they have otherwise stated.

First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness were joined by Stormont Health Minister Edwin Poots at the City Hospital in Belfast as they announced the consultation exercise.

If the feedback is positive, they said they would move to introduce legislation to deliver the new system.

Also at the announcement was former Gaelic football star Joe Brolly, who has become a high-profile campaigner for organ donation since he donated a kidney to a friend last year.

The Welsh Government is currently pressing to introduce a similar presumed consent model.

Mr Poots said British Prime Minister David Cameron had indicated to him that there were no plans for a UK-wide presumed consent system so the Northern Ireland Executive had decided to push ahead with its own proposal.

"I think there's a great opportunity out there to ensure that as many people as possible have the opportunity to live a full and healthy life who otherwise wouldn't and therefore that's why we want to put this out to public consultation to give feedback on this," he said.

"If the consultation comes back favourable we'll look to bring legislation forward."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on February 14, 2013, 07:59:54 AM
Good piece on Joe today
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0214/1224330009987.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0214/1224330009987.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 04, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Met Kilkenny Tommy Walsh at Cork Opera House on Friday night. Smaller than Amir Khan and twice as dangerous

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 04, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Wow. He could become as big as a Gerry's gay teddys if he plays it right. Maybe even a Barton.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on March 04, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Joe Brolly has recently started a "Make Life Your Legacy" campaign, to get legislative change in Northern Ireland and Ireland to a 'soft opt out' or 'presumed consent' society for organ donation.

I would imagine that this twitter account is set up by Joe, as another medium to get the word out and communicated to people about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 16, 2013, 12:51:56 AM
From being such an annoying wee bollix while playing Brolly really is a legend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on March 16, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
Loved his one from last night -

Joe Brolly ‏@JoeBrolly1993
Just met Michael D Higgins backstage he hadn't a f**king clue who I was
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 16, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 16, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
Loved his one from last night -

Joe Brolly ‏@JoeBrolly1993
Just met Michael D Higgins backstage he hadn't a f**king clue who I was

Probably thought he was Devin Toner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: No Soloing on March 16, 2013, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 16, 2013, 12:51:56 AM
From being such an annoying wee bollix while playing Brolly really is a legend.

He was a legend while playing too!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
IrishKidneyAssoc. @IrishKidneyAs

@RTELateLateShow As a result of the coverage on the Late Late we got over 1200 Organ Donor card requests last night! Thank you! #lifeisagift


Great stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 18, 2013, 10:42:04 AM
From Brolly's Column in The Mail on Sunday.

I know the family, his brother has a successful Lung transplant last year.

(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393636_10152626136220580_1980053869_n.jpg)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2014, 01:41:52 PM
Joe full of shite as usual



http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=212803
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
Just posted on the other thread MR2 he is using a defunct argument to prove he was right all along when he is completely off the mark.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on March 27, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Jesus! Diarmuid Connolly a victim, theres a new one!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 27, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
So, he picks two games, compares them and comes to a massive conclusion.

I wonder has he watched much of the National League.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 27, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
If he did he would have seen plenty of brilliant football games but then again there are brilliant football league games every year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Most entertaining league in years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Most entertaining league in years.

He is not wrong about the Football but he is definitely wrong about the hurling and using the club final as his basis is just plain ridiculous for a so called educated guy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Most entertaining league in years.

He is not wrong about the Football but he is definitely wrong about the hurling and using the club final as his basis is just plain ridiculous for a so called educated guy.

Its not like Joe to use flimsy evidence to make sweeping comments to gain maximum exposure. Would anyone have paid attention if he'd said the club football final was better than the hurling - no. So, he says magnificant gaelic football is now better than boring hurling. All of a sudden everyone is talking about him again. His analysis is entertaining but not really to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 27, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
From the link he basically said the hurling final was poor and the football final was very good which is largely true, did he say anything else?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 27, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
From the link he basically said the hurling final was poor and the football final was very good which is largely true, did he say anything else?

"A golden era for football is upon us. The next time someone repeats the cliche that hurling is a better game that football. I will be ready for them. At last ..."

A bit sweeping for March time?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.

Jinxy dont worry we can always look down our noses at an inferior game  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 27, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
I do think the black card is going to have a big difference though come business end of championship.

Of course Joe will proclaim, or at least think, that he was reponsible for it but that's the sort of him.

Sure some of the hurling "purists" think last year's championship had less quality about it than previous years when you maybe didn't get so many high scoring games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on March 27, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
What Joe Brolly has said in the past
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/)

QuoteThere is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, "The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game," which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O'Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan's personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.

What Joe Brolly says today

Quote"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.

"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.

"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.

So when did blatant cheating go from being the sign of a "warrior" to the antithesis of all that is "great about football" ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 27, 2014, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
Jinxy

I think the board should sponsor you for a duel with Eddie Keher
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
As long as I get to choose the weapons i.e. an O'Neills size 5 at twenty paces.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Black Card on March 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Even at school Joe sought and loved the attention, just now more people hear what he has to say.  Bet he looks in here and smiles!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CD on March 27, 2014, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: Black Card on March 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Even at school Joe sought and loved the attention, just now more people hear what he has to say.  Bet he looks in here and smiles!
I can't believe there are people coming on here and suggesting that Joe Brolly is a self-obsessed, self-serving, egotistical self-publicist whose favourite words in the whole world are 'Joe Brolly.' I'm only saying!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
As long as I get to choose the weapons i.e. an O'Neills size 5 at twenty paces.

Sure you have no problem sticking over a 65 in hurling. In ten 65's you'd not get one like wise a hurler knocking over a 45 in football, though I doubt you'd be able to knock over too many 45's ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: didlyi on March 27, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
In fairness Brolly is admitting that Hurling always was the more entertaining game and that the football was better than the hurling on Paddys day. I would agree with you on both counts Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 27, 2014, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 27, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
In fairness Brolly is admitting that Hurling always was the more entertaining game and that the football was better than the hurling on Paddys day. I would agree with you on both counts Joe.

It usually is for some reason.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maxpower on March 28, 2014, 09:13:38 AM
The club hurling semi finals have had some epics in recent years, De La Salle v Clarinbridge being one of the best games i've seen, but for some reason the finals haven't risen to near the same excitement.  Even the eagerly awaited game between Portumna and Ballyhale was quite mediocre.

Football final this year was excellent, but one swallow...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
One swallow? The club football final has invariably been excellent and many of the semi finals have been good too. The national football leagues, all divisions, are usually outstanding entertainment. The football championship has been, at least, as good as the hurling over the past 10-15 years yet we seem to be in a perpetual state of anxiety over football while any criticism of hurling is frowned upon. 

Football has it's issues but most of them are caused by the daftness of the championship structure. Hurling, due to it's small concentrated pool of teams, does pretty well out of the championship but football is destroyed by it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: time ticking away on March 28, 2014, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 27, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
What Joe Brolly has said in the past
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/)

QuoteThere is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, “The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game,” which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O’Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan’s personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.

What Joe Brolly says today

Quote"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.

"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.

"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.

So when did blatant cheating go from being the sign of a "warrior" to the antithesis of all that is "great about football" ?

dont like to agree with mike at all,but this is a perfect example of joe schizophrenic Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 28, 2014, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
One swallow? The club football final has invariably been excellent and many of the semi finals have been good too. The national football leagues, all divisions, are usually outstanding entertainment. The football championship has been, at least, as good as the hurling over the past 10-15 years yet we seem to be in a perpetual state of anxiety over football while any criticism of hurling is frowned upon. 

Football has it's issues but most of them are caused by the daftness of the championship structure. Hurling, due to it's small concentrated pool of teams, does pretty well out of the championship but football is destroyed by it.

Its the mindset of the respective pundits and commentators which creates this imo.

The hurling lads big up even the shittest game of hurling yet the football pundits seem to take great joy in deriding the new footballers with their, not as good as it was in my day mentality.

The business end of the last few football championships have been good, the hurling was a bit stagnated when it was Kilkenny vrs someone else and ended up putting 10 plus points on them. The Galway and Kilkenny games in 2012 were superb entertainment as was last years two finals. The earlish exit of Kilkenny added a bit of spice as well.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on March 28, 2014, 12:07:29 PM
Well said AZ and in fairness Mickey Harte has been making that point for the last number of years that the pundits seem to continually bad mouth the game and see it through biased eyes of yesteryear

Whilst I have not enjoyed Donegal & Tyrone's style over the past 3 or 4 years or so I think Spillane & Co have really added to the negativity of it all.
I hope the openness of games so far this year continue into the championship but I fear they won't. I know teams like Donegal and Cavan continue to think defensively and I'd say looking at Tyrone's lack of good man markers we too will resort to playing sweepers etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

The standard of the football punditry is pretty bad these days. It's all about Brolly point scoring or bigging up what he likes now or Spillane losing the plot with him etc etc. Brolly was reasonaby amusing for a while but not any more.

Hurling you have the likes of Mulcahy, Cusack etc etc who are very insightful and you can't but admire the passion the likes of Farrel has. Football you could barely have any respect for any pundit to be honest.

As you say they are both different games - the two best games about so don't see the need for people who like one better to chastise the other one!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clootfromthe21 on March 28, 2014, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

The standard of the football punditry is pretty bad these days. It's all about Brolly point scoring or bigging up what he likes now or Spillane losing the plot with him etc etc. Brolly was reasonaby amusing for a while but not any more.

Hurling you have the likes of Mulcahy, Cusack etc etc who are very insightful and you can't but admire the passion the likes of Farrel has. Football you could barely have any respect for any pundit to be honest.

As you say they are both different games - the two best games about so don't see the need for people who like one better to chastise the other one!

To be honest, I quite like Brolly as a commentator. At least, he offers an insight other than either a.) some sort of eulogy about passion or wanting it more or b.) effectively a commentary on a piece of action replay that I can see for myself thanks very much. If anything, I think the hurling pundits are the worst for the latter ("Well, Michael, he put his hand up there and he caught it, and then he turned there Michael and he hit it very hard and it went into the net. And that's a goal in any man's language")

It might be unmitigated bollocks, but at least its something. Same with Neil Francis in the rugby (helmet on). Now there's a game I don't understand at all tactically, but Francis will usually come up with some take on it. It might be complete nonsense but it at least it is not stating the obvious that any idiot (i.e. me) can see for themselves.

Of course, with Brolly, in addition to the insight, you have the cheese eating grin, being the smartest boy in the room, the winding up of Pat etc etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Yeah but you can't help but feel there's always an agenda against someone. Comnments about Cavanagh last year, Mayo the year before etc etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Black Card on March 28, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
His agenda is Joe Brolly, in fairness he's a master at promoting it. :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on March 28, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
I like Joe, he is by far the most entertaining pundit, like Dunphy or Giles I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

Regarding the Hurling v Football, hurling fans are so precious about their sport, any praise of football and they take it as a dig at hurling.

Personally i'm not a big fan of hurling, I've no problem with people supporting it but it doesn't entertain me, scores are too easy to come by and while many people think this is great it puts me off it. To use an analogy, snooker wouldn't be any better if the pockets were the size of a saucepans and no one ever missed, it takes the tactics out of the sport.

That's not to say I haven't enjoyed a hurling game but despite the skill levels involved in some aspects I see it as a very primitive game, a defender gets it and hits it as far as he can into the forward line, the forward scraps with the defender to take it, if he wins its over the bar if he loses it comes back down the other way. 50 50 balls are acceptable to play in hurling they aren't in football.

There are no tactics in hurling which is one of the main reasons i'm not a fan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on March 28, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
I understand it, I used to play it

Martin Fogarty thinks there are no tactics because it's too fast, i think it's because it's too easy to get scores
Quote
TACTICS don't play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.

Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.

"Hurling will always be a simple game because you can't slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time," suggested the Erin's Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.

"They don't pack their defence as many suggested they did," he continued. "I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don't pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.

"They don't do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can't really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.

"People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.

"I don't buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don't exist."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
So Tipps long ball into an isolated forward line that garnered so many goals in 2010 wasn't a tactic? Cork's support running under Donal O'Grady wasn't a tactic? Clares short passing game last year wasn't a tactic?

Grand so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 28, 2014, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Mario on March 28, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
I like Joe, he is by far the most entertaining pundit, like Dunphy or Giles I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

Regarding the Hurling v Football, hurling fans are so precious about their sport, any praise of football and they take it as a dig at hurling.

Personally i'm not a big fan of hurling, I've no problem with people supporting it but it doesn't entertain me, scores are too easy to come by and while many people think this is great it puts me off it. To use an analogy, snooker wouldn't be any better if the pockets were the size of a saucepans and no one ever missed, it takes the tactics out of the sport.

That's not to say I haven't enjoyed a hurling game but despite the skill levels involved in some aspects I see it as a very primitive game, a defender gets it and hits it as far as he can into the forward line, the forward scraps with the defender to take it, if he wins its over the bar if he loses it comes back down the other way. 50 50 balls are acceptable to play in hurling they aren't in football.

There are no tactics in hurling which is one of the main reasons i'm not a fan.

Thats it there - he is entertaining - like Apres Match was. His analysis is not to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, too many take his points seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on March 28, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.

Brolly, Spillane, Dunphy, Hook et al are on one level, Stephen Jones is at a whole other level. A gobeen so full of dung it near blows the mind
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 28, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.

Brolly, Spillane, Dunphy, Hook et al are on one level, Stephen Jones is at a whole other level. A gobeen so full of dung it near blows the mind

Agreed but people still buy the paper to see what shite he's gonna come out with next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cicfada on March 28, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
Martin fogarty would have been part of a Kilkenny set up which has 1 tactic ( if you could call it that ) and that's lump the ball up to the forward line where the forwards have to win their own ball and then score or pass to a player in a better position . It's getting outdated as speed and space is coming vogue more as the new way that hurling is played. As regards brolly, he might be right about hurling, I have been at two double headers recently where the football was way more entertaining than the hurling. Cork v Derry and Offaly and the club finals. With the black card there is more emphasis on forwards scoring now and that's refreshing . It does not follow however that a black card would improve hurling......too many whistles ruin it as a sport and indeed in both hurling matches I have mentioned , both refs Barry Kelly and Alan Kelly both blew too often.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 29, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

I agree with this and much prefer the passion of the hurling pundits over the scythes of the football ones.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on March 31, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Mario on March 28, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
I understand it, I used to play it

Martin Fogarty thinks there are no tactics because it's too fast, i think it's because it's too easy to get scores
Quote
TACTICS don't play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.

Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.

"Hurling will always be a simple game because you can't slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time," suggested the Erin's Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.

"They don't pack their defence as many suggested they did," he continued. "I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don't pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.

"They don't do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can't really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.

"People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.

"I don't buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don't exist."

Horseraddish. Fogarty comes from the Cody and Keher stable, whatever you say Paddy, say nothing.

I'll give you just one obvious tactic in the game referenced above. Galway looked to play the game on their terms. Instead of challenging Kilkenny for primary possession in the air like Tipp had done (to some success) in the previous years, they looked to bat the ball to the ground and forage for possession there. Kilkenny weren't prepared for this and Galway made hay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 31, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
Kilkenny, Cody and Fogarty have been tweaking their 'tactics' for years now to suit their personnel and what their opponents bring to the table.

In 05 when a speedy Galway had a goalfest on them, the next year the Kilkenny team lined out with a deep lying Brian Hogan stopping anything and everything getting near their back line, this was supplimented with more mobile midfielders covering the space normally held by the centre back. Yes they weren't overly fussed on the quality of ball into their forwards as they still had 5 or 6 good catchers with the likes of Eddie Brennan scorching passed looking for the offload or scraps.
As said already, Galway bust their balls to stop the Kilkenny catching game in 2012, it worked in the Leinster final as they worked to win the breaking ball and move it in fast into quick forwards who were pulling the Kilkenny backs all over the place. Come the final and subsequent replay, the Kilkenny backs held their positions better, got their match ups right and introduced a big brute of a youngster in Walter Walsh to hug the sidelines and win the aerial battle in one and ones where Galway failed to get the additional cover to assist Coen.

Cody will have watched the way Clare and Cork set about their games last year and he's already introduced a good few speedsters into the defence over the NHL and brought out Colin Fennelly do hover up anything in and around the midfield area. Kilkenny have shown better than most that evolution is gradual and they're still a force to be reckoned with even if Tommy Walsh, Brian Hogan and even Shefflin aren't the main men any more.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

Brolly just categorically proved O'Shea correct with his childishness.

He calls Sky's coverage 'Big Breasted'. This is the man who described two amateur footballers as 'Swedish Maids'. I am beginning to think that all of this language from Joe is Freudian and he is trying to tell us something.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.

For a lad his size, he goes down way too easy and way too often.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?

Nothing, I was responding to the previous post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?

Nothing, I was responding to the previous post.

Apologies, didn't read that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O'Shea's critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly's pithy summation of O'Shea's critique was that the football panel were the type of people "who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish" as opposed to the more jolly and "big breasted" analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O'Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O'Shea's critique no excuse, saying the tendency to "spoof" rather than "tell the truth" had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will "unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee" before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.

For a lad his size, he goes down way too easy and way too often.

O'Shea loves contact too much. I've seen him playing since he was a minor and he loves nothing more than lads bouncing off him trying to make a tackle, and that is the end result in the vast majority of cases. He has no fondness of the floor, just of putting other lads on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

Nothing wrong if the intent was to lessen O sheas effect byway of  assault, you may as well scrap Cards altogether if that was not a yellow. much like the ref did for Black card for most of the match.
Keegan was hauled down when through on goal , exactly the situation the card was introduced for  but the ref chickened out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 18, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
Ah big Aidan eh, lined up for the all star last year until the lads ran the bollox off him ..............................  personally think Brolly is having a go because of the way Aidan held the face dramatically when Fergal gave it to him hard !!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Yes, but if you run in to shoulder me on the shoulder and I turn quickly and face you it isn't your fault that you hit me in the chest because you couldn't, at that stage, stop. You didn't try to hit me in the chest but you couldn't avoid doing so once I turned into you so late. That's what happened in this incident IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

Nothing wrong if the intent was to lessen O sheas effect byway of  assault, you may as well scrap Cards altogether if that was not a yellow. much like the ref did for Black card for most of the match.
Keegan was hauled down when through on goal , exactly the situation the card was introduced for  but the ref chickened out

What you forgot to mention was the 4 fouls Keegan committed in the first half. 3 on Lynn. Or the obvious black card which should have been issue to Gibbons twice.

Regarding O'Shea there is a big difference in soloing the ball and breaking tackles and meeting a man square on of equal size and strength. Needs to toughen up in my book.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Yes, but if you run in to shoulder me on the shoulder and I turn quickly and face you it isn't your fault that you hit me in the chest because you couldn't, at that stage, stop. You didn't try to hit me in the chest but you couldn't avoid doing so once I turned into you so late. That's what happened in this incident IMO.

Zulu, you are one of the better posters here but this is daft.

If you lead with the shoulder and don't hit shoulder, you are at fault.

O'Shea had a man free up the line and wisely opted to play the ball to him. He never deviated from what he was doing. Doherty never attempted to get the ball. The only way that is legal is if you hit a fair shoulder. If you get it wrong, you are in trouble.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 08:41:51 PM
I agree it was a free because he didn't hit the shoulder but I disagree it was a yellow because there was no intent and in this situation there was an extremely fine line between a good hit and what happened. As I watched it unfold I was thinking this will be some shoulder to shoulder hit but at the last moment O'Shea saw a teammate and played the ball. Doherty who had no alternative but to shoulder first as it was the only way he could play the ball, if he kicked it first it was going to a line ball so he was going to shoulder O'Shea and then if possible pick the ball and use it.

Muppet, we could go around in circles here for the night, I'd readily accept this is very much an interpretation type of discussion. There was a foul so the question is intent and that is speculative. But for me, there were two big men going for a ball and if O'Shea hadn't had a free teammate ahead both would have had to shoulder each other before trying to win the ball. Doherty wasn't to know what O'Shea was going to do and I don't think Aidan did until very late. A free but no yellow for me. You obviously disagree which is fair enough but I've watched it a few times and that would be my view of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:46:17 PM
(http://www.livegaelic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/doherty.gif)

If that isn't a card, I don't know what it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree so.

Funnily enough looking at it a few more times, I am beginning to see your point. It is actually closer to a shoulder to shoulder hit than I had thought. His elbow came up afterwards which might have caught the eye of the ref and distorted his impression of it. I still think it was a definite free and very risky for a man on a yellow card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
I wouldn't dispute the foul, just the yellow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 18, 2014, 10:30:54 PM
But Doherty roofed some clubhouse in Derry gratis...so it can't be a yellow!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on April 18, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
it would be a hop ball in a club game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 18, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
it would be a hop ball in a club game.

There would be some hopped balls after a hit like that alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
I seen something like this in a game in derry last week, the damn ref didnt even give a free,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on April 19, 2014, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:46:17 PM
(http://www.livegaelic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/doherty.gif)

If that isn't a card, I don't know what it.

I agree - they were running perpendicularly to each other so both would have needed to turn in order to meet each shoulder to shoulder. Also the back of Doherty's head bangs into the side of O'Shea's head so I don't understand why people are griping about O'Shea holding his face. At that speed he was lucky not to break his cheekbone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.

Don't worry Babarino you'll get your chance if yous meet us this summer. Dick Clerkin, if ever a name fitted! For all Ricey or Conor Gormleys faults, at least they could play ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
I started that...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Real Talk on April 19, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 19, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on April 19, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on April 19, 2014, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on April 19, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
By that rational Doherty had his eyes on a shoulder to shoulder challenge with O'Shea and so should not have been a yellow. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 19, 2014, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
I started that...

The Assassination of Dick Clerkin by the Coward Tony Baloney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
He's tearing in to Donal Og now

http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-serious-issue-donal-og-cusack/

QuoteThe fall out from Sky's foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O'Shea's assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.

It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of "Your jumper is gas Pat but that's a desperate game of football isn't it?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 19, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
He's tearing in to Donal Og now

http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-serious-issue-donal-og-cusack/

QuoteThe fall out from Sky's foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O'Shea's assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.

It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of "Your jumper is gas Pat but that's a desperate game of football isn't it?"

If you read Donal Og's full article, apart from that comment in bold, it's hardly controversial. Joe likes to criticise and poke fun at people but can't really handle it coming back the other way. It seems like he's getting a bit twitchy as his après match style of lazy analysis will be scrutinised like never before this year - can he improve? I doubt it, as his ego will not let him admit that he needs too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.

Don't worry Babarino you'll get your chance if yous meet us this summer. Dick Clerkin, if ever a name fitted! For all Ricey or Conor Gormleys faults, at least they could play ball.

Try not to be such a Wally Cronc. The way the draw is set up, we'll be doing very well to meet. It should be fun, no need for the nasty stuff.

And back to the point. Most of the time Brolly's good craic, and he's smart enough to know when he gets carried away. He should have retracted what he said though, and RTE shouldn't let him be a pundit on Derry games. If they do, someone from the opposition should be there to challenge him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 19, 2014, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?


As the man is a twitter whore and cant keep his mouth shut
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 19, 2014, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?


As the man is a twitter whore and cant keep his mouth shut

Have your 907 previous posts been this intelligent? How many followers do you have on Twitter? If you don't rate what he has to say unfollow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mrs mills on April 20, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 20, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 20, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: Mrs mills on April 20, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?

I'm not Joe Brolly's biggest fan but I'm not sure you can blame him for this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 20, 2014, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on April 20, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?

Maybe open a thread rather than post the same question in a dozen other threads ye big article ye ;-)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 20, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from: babarino on April 20, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

There's only one deluded person in here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 20, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: babarino on April 20, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

I was there of course and still have the game recorded. Monaghan arrived that day to act the wag(Dick in particular) thinking Derry had a soft under belly and were gonna bully their way to victory. Anyone saying different is a blinkered Monaghan man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 20, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 20, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: babarino on April 20, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

I was there of course and still have the game recorded. Monaghan arrived that day to act the wag(Dick in particular) thinking Derry had a soft under belly and were gonna bully their way to victory. Anyone saying different is a blinkered Monaghan man

GAA revisionism is alive and well in Derry. Does your recording include Brolly's rant to confirm your warped viewing? If you recall the Celtic Park match followed two previous championship drubbings dished out by Monaghan to Derry in Casement. You then got a home venue, a weak ref, an eye gouging man possessed in midfield,  and a hatchet job on Conor Mc Manus.

(http://cdn2.independent.ie/migration_catalog/Non-Staff/article25085004.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/fergaldoherty_indo)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2014, 11:08:25 PM
Youy didnt do much dishing out when the 2 bradleys ran riot in Monaghan in the following qualfier,whats your excuse there,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on April 21, 2014, 12:05:33 AM
I remember fergal reaching his hand out before the game to shake hands and receiveing a punch in the solar plexus from the bold dick , it definitely set the tone for the game ( to all the dick defenders it would be worth reading Declan Bogues book )
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 21, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...

Haha your some craic. Obv dont know much about big Doc!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2014, 05:00:32 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...

Elbows are no longer legal tender on the football field.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Gormley, Clerkin, Doherty, O'Neill's, Bangladesh... they're all getting it on the Joe Brolly thread!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 21, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 21, 2014, 05:53:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.

Big Ian.
Big Swing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2014, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.

Ask your women...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 22, 2014, 05:55:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on April 19, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
the first incident even at the time I thought was a stupid harsh yellow card- but refs make mistakes too

the second, I thought was stupid on Dochertys part as he was on a yellow card and he took out oshea on purpose-
however, after seeing your video clip, it was borderline yellow card- proj justified as the rule is reckless or endangering tackles are a yellow.
doc is a wholehearted player and he goes the same way for every ball.
Derry actually played better with the loss of a man, had to move about more which suits this team
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 22, 2014, 06:04:39 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Gormley, Clerkin, Doherty, O'Neill's, Bangladesh... they're all getting it on the Joe Brolly thread!

O Gara would take them all on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 22, 2014, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2014, 11:08:25 PM
Youy didnt do much dishing out when the 2 bradleys ran riot in Monaghan in the following qualfier,whats your excuse there,

Derry thoroughly deserved to win that qualifier game in Clones. Our record in the qualifiers has been poor, but no complaints, it was a good game, played in the right spirit and ye won fair and square. Pity that wasn't Derry's attitude after ye got beaten fair in square in Casement with all the 'out Monaghaned Monaghan' talk after the Celtic Park game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 22, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 22, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 22, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   

Derry are sure to embrace this new chapter as Tyrone embraced the invention of the qualifiers ;-)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 22, 2014, 11:28:26 PM
As sure as night follows day, Derry will somehow manage to scuttle their chances. Their top player might all of a sudden get an offer to play with a Welsh soccer  division 5 team and he'll be on his way, with suitcase in hand and holy water dripping off his forehead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 23, 2014, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 22, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   
Jeez - just shows how set in the dark ages you tyronies are!!
I was working on 'the Internet' when Derry beat you red arses to winning an All Ireland senior football title in 1993!

From the terraces of clones, croke park and on the Gaa board here we have experienced your own whingers so any we provide won't be a shock to any systems here!

Self loathing and shooting ourselves in the head as per Main streets example however - we are unfortunately very capable of !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 09, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
Really enjoyed this . . .

http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/05/08/jeremy-clarkson-in-trouble-again-this-time-over-use-of-brolly-word/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 09, 2014, 11:43:02 AM

Did you really?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 09, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 09, 2014, 11:43:02 AM

Did you really?

Sure did!

My favourite quote was "They don't do nearly enough stuff about link boxes"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 10, 2014, 11:08:10 AM
Did any of ye listen to Sean Cavanagh on Newstalk last night talking to Wooly Parkinson?
He said that immediately after the incident he didn't think too much about it but the whole week after it was affecting his mum and dad, his wife and kid and even his boss in work wasn't impressed with all the bad hype it had caused. He said non GAA people were questioning his integrity and personality all because Brolly threw his toys out of the pram.
At least Joe rang him to apologise but many of us don't fathom how much of an impact a pundit can have on the whole country.
As I said before I'd say Joe's own kids dread going anywhere near GAA grounds with him any more cis of the slagging.
Personally I enjoy listening to the man more often than not but hopefully he learned last year that you can't do these personal attacks on players or coaches.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on May 10, 2014, 05:37:21 PM
I agreed with Joe at the time and still do with the sentiment, his choice of language was poor though.

I wouldn't worry too much about Sean's reputation, he's a gentleman and a media darling.

Only non-GAA people would get the wrong end of the stick and I doubt there are very many of them in the loop with what Brolly et al say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 10, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
Have no doubt that Brolly's comments had an effect on his family but would have serious doubt that it would cause him much trouble at work. He would get more sympathy than ire in relation to this where he works. His boss would more than likely be on his side too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 10, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
It's no wonder people keep their distance from Cavanagh and it's nothing to do with Brolly, if anyone goes within touching distance of him, he links their arm and hits the floor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2014, 08:53:24 AM
Hang in their Main Street. Your bitterness will subside when ye finally beat us this year next month.
Will Mone be playing?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Whose bitter? That's a Tyrone thing, bitter memories, remembered grievances etc, it's a mental and emotional rot.

If you get past the 1st round then we'l have the pleasure of watching Sean and the art of the acquired foul, otherwise we will be off to Newry to play Down.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 11, 2014, 01:41:45 PM
Tennants?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Whose bitter?

Mine! Mitts off you Monaghan bollix!  ;) :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
Firstly, If we get past the first round we'll have already beaten ye again.
Secondly we don't have too much to be bitter about when it comes to Ye lot as you would have to go back to Nudie Hughes days since ye beat us last.
Finally, do you think Sean wins Ulster player of the year every few years just for his diving skills?

Good luck defending the Anglo Celt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Whose bitter?

Mine! Mitts off you Monaghan bollix!  ;) :P
Then wallow in your alcohol imbibed. sweep down bitter memory lane.
Surely, the force of Joe is with us this time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 14, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
Joe is no poser, but they could have used an inset of Joe or a cardboard cut out.

Hard to credit that those fellas had nothing better to do on the day than travel someplace to have their photo taken together, grinning, trying to look media snazzy and the end result is not supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on May 14, 2014, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html

Des Cahill looks like has had a spray tan
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 14, 2014, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html

Des Cahill looks like has had a spray tan
who is yer man on the far right ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on May 14, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on May 14, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 14, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?

Very much so
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2014, 10:25:05 PM
Des looks like an oompah loompah. Wee Martin is in hiding.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on May 17, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
McStay's a wee squirt!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 17, 2014, 11:03:07 PM
None of them boys would get in sky
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 18, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 14, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 14, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?

Very much so

:D :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 19, 2014, 06:55:01 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 17, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
McStay's a wee squirt!!!

So he is! I Never remember him being that small

Who's behind him?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on May 19, 2014, 10:06:28 AM
He was back to his annoying best yesterday
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 19, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
As the senior analyst, Colm should take a firm line with Joe and tell him to stop interrupting Tomás.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 09:08:07 AM

Joe still grabbing the headlines. Love him or loathe him, he's well able to get debate going.

OUTSPOKEN GAA pundit Joe Brolly has described Sky Sports' new GAA lineup as "TV3 plus Baywatch babe".


The Derry barrister has been highly critical of the GAA's deal with Sky in interviews and on social media since the partnership was announced describing it as being "a breach of principle".

"The core of the GAA has always been that it is of the people, by the people, for the people. But as each new line is crossed, it becomes more difficult for us to feel that we are all in it together," he wrote in his column in Gaelic Life last week.

"The justifications for the SKY deal, that it increases the audience and encourages global participation, are fallacies."

Last night, the 1993 All-Ireland winner had another go at the Sky arrangement and a dig at their new anchor, Sky Sports News' Rachel Wyse.

He tweeted: "SKY = TV3 plus Baywatch babe".

His tweet, which has not been deleted, garnered some negative backlash on Twitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.

He'd have loved that.

I hope she does tweet back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.

He'd have loved that.

I hope she does tweet back.

He really does feel he can say what he wants - his little barbed comments with a big smile are becoming nausiating and sexiset comments like would not be accepted in most public positions. The truth of the matter is that he would jump ship at the drop of a hat to join Sky. His ego is such that he would feel that he should be exposed to the wider UK audiences and he probably envisages himself on Soccer AM.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 21, 2014, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

He has continually let himself down for quite a while now. In his head he's funny and he's smarter than everyone else so he can say what he likes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.

Two seperate things - no he cant say what he wants.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 21, 2014, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.

That's no excuse for acting the p***k.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Please add #sackbrolly to any tweets you write on this topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
Google search 'Sky Sports Presenter'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sky+sports+presenters&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g258U6KYLIyV7AaFvIGoDw&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=896

Get off your high horses. Brolly is merely making a point about the nature of Sky Sports presentation. It's aimed at a primarily male audience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on May 21, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
Quote from: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
Google search 'Sky Sports Presenter'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sky+sports+presenters&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g258U6KYLIyV7AaFvIGoDw&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=896

Get off your high horses. Brolly is merely making a point about the nature of Sky Sports presentation. It's aimed at a primarily male audience.

Spot the odd one out...

(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/Screenshot_2014-05-21-10-19-44.png)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

Sounds like making a point to me.

@JoeBrolly1993: SKY's entrenched beautiful anchor formula is shamelessly sexist, designed for their overwhelmingly male audience. That is the point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

Right Benny ring Sky there and get Cora Staunton on!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

Right Benny ring Sky there and get Cora Staunton on!!

I'd have no problem with her as the expert analyst - but does she have any presenting experience?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

This. +1. She is also a competitive sports person, and has experience in a TV role. Brolly is trying a sneer, as is his default setting, but he's letting himself down badly here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.

TV3 were never going to be competition for Brolly. The disdain he treats the viewers, and the amateur players he is supposed to enjoy watching, are symptomatic of what I believe to be a serious superiority complex on Joe's behalf. No one is as clever, as witty or as insightful as Joe. Tv3, with their small budget and limited reach were never going to be anything other than a second division irrelevance to him. Sky are a different animal, and if they decide to do it right, or if they get positive viewer feedback, he knows they can completely change the face of TV presentation of GAA, including our tired, stale, cynical analysts. I think it's very unlikely that Joe feels that RTE are in an unassailable position any more, and if Sky make inroads and RTE realise they have to lift their game, the performance of Brolly and Spillane, especially, will be something the Head of Sport looks at first off.

Of course if Joe can influence public perception of Sky and make a laugh out of it, or if Sky do a bad job of it, then RTE's position becomes even stronger, and Joe has a mandate to keep on keeping on for years to come. I think that would be a real pity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
So what is it that you find bad about this. The fact she's good looking, Irish or is decent at what she does? Or because she is a she? In my view everything you have described her as is either a positive or neutral. No negatives.

Put the point is that Brolly, in his inimitable way, has made this point as a sneer. Calling her a 'Baywatch Babe' implies that she hasn't a clue and is ONLY there because she is good looking.

Look, Sky's approach to this is not exactly puritan, I agree. They know that a pretty woman on TV is a positive, whether we like it or not, but all of their presenters appear to have a good grasp of sport, competitive nature and seem to be very professional.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
Veronica Corningstone?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2014, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
So what is it that you find bad about this. The fact she's good looking, Irish or is decent at what she does? Or because she is a she? In my view everything you have described her as is either a positive or neutral. No negatives.

Put the point is that Brolly, in his inimitable way, has made this point as a sneer. Calling her a 'Baywatch Babe' implies that she hasn't a clue and is ONLY there because she is good looking.

Look, Sky's approach to this is not exactly puritan, I agree. They know that a pretty woman on TV is a positive, whether we like it or not, but all of their presenters appear to have a good grasp of sport, competitive nature and seem to be very professional.
She reminds me of Rachel Allen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Down Follower on May 21, 2014, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny, articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 11:06:02 AM
Joe is brilliant on that Twitter account. He can fair stir.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!


You know what your 100% right she got the job on merity and nothing to do how she looks,how dare i have a different opinion than yourself,and your comment at the end says it all really.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on May 21, 2014, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny, articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.

I think Joe Brolly is a good man in private, and his work with charity is very admirable. Also, people who know me know I'm far from some bean eating, tree hugging, liberal PC acolyte. I am just tired of Joe's schtick when it comes to the GAA. I don't think he's very funny in that arena any more, and while he is articulate, I don't believe he demonstrates any great love for the game in his TV role. And he certainly, undeniably, takes far greater pleasure in 'exposing the frailties' than 'highlighting the greatness'. In short Joe, the GAA pundit, is a deliberately contrarian character who deliberately (in my view) sensationalises for effect and denigrates the game and its players in order to maximise his own profile and earnings potential.

I'm sure I'd love to have a pint with Joe, and I suspect he'd agree with everything I've said if he was being candid.

In this instance, and in the Sean Cavanagh and Paul Grimley incidents, I believe he has overstepped the mark. His motivation for the latter two were purely what I've said above, and the motivation for the first is to protect his vehicle for doing the latter.

In my opinion of course :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!


You know what your 100% right,how dare i have a different opinion than yourself,and your comment at the end says it all really.

Agreed. I'm not bothered that you have a different opinion than me - but you said people who disagree with you were naive and self righteous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 21, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
In fairness to him, he's fairly quick to realise when he has gone a bit too far, and he is good at backtracking a bit without admitting he is wrong. I suppose it's the adversarial profession he is in. Give ground without appearing to give ground.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 21, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment

exactly what i am saying like the "men" you mentioned she was not picked because of her knowledge,look i know as well as the rest of you brolly is OTT on some of his comments but i agree in the meaning of his comment,SKY are ceratinly very aware what works and i believe there is no coincidence in why they picked this girl but in saying that she is a good presenter and fits what sky are looking for perfectly.
By the way unlike Brolly i think sky doing GAA is a good thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 21, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment

Exactly.
Was Bill O'Herlihy picked for his in-depth soccer knowledge?
The presenter presents, the analyst analyses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PAULD123 on May 21, 2014, 11:29:48 AM
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 21, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/sky-sports-make-yet-another-blunder/

Its this sort of sh**e that annoys me. RTE and every other broadcaster have made blunders for years (a quick google search reveals that on RTE radio [a more formal and should be trustworthy medium than twitter], they gave out two wrong hurling results a few weeks ago), but not a word. I resent the targetting of Sky, and of course Brolly is stuck in the middle of it.

He may be self-obsessed, but he is bright, articulate, and can be funny, I'd find it a lot easier to listen to his impassioned speeches though if the hyperbole better hid the fact that his convictions change on a weekly basis. The realisation of this alone should be enough for us not to take him at all seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)

Don Cherry has said worse ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 21, 2014, 11:29:48 AM
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.

They love it as well when you look at their t*ts when you are talking to them. They get annoyed but secretly they love it.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 21, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/sky-sports-make-yet-another-blunder/

Its this sort of sh**e that annoys me. RTE and every other broadcaster have made blunders for years (a quick google search reveals that on RTE radio [a more formal and should be trustworthy medium than twitter], they gave out two wrong hurling results a few weeks ago), but not a word. I resent the targetting of Sky, and of course Brolly is stuck in the middle of it.

He may be self-obsessed, but he is bright, articulate, and can be funny, I'd find it a lot easier to listen to his impassioned speeches though if the hyperbole better hid the fact that his convictions change on a weekly basis. The realisation of this alone should be enough for us not to take him at all seriously.

If the sky gang repeatedly referred to 'Westmeath' as 'Meath', they would be slaughtered.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
just a wee warning foR some of you guys who are offended by brollys comment,DONT WATCH WOLF OF WALL STREET!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Is she a TV professional? Rachel Wyse, I believe, was asked to write for the Indo because she was a sports presenter, she wasn't made a sports presenter because her independent articles are so good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky. 

Also in relation to her Journalistic prowess why does the Indo have to show a full body shot of her alongside her articles? Does this again not reinforce Joe's argument?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.

no theres a lady who presents the golf quite alot and if your into your cricket watch the pepsi league on itv4 and you will see 2 lead women who by coincidence are stunning
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
QuoteYou wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers?

You don't get the analogy?

Pub A = Drink plus Mad Mick Bar Man

Pub B = Drink plus Attractive Bar Maid

Your left to decide.

This is all Sky's masterplan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.

TV3 were never going to be competition for Brolly. The disdain he treats the viewers, and the amateur players he is supposed to enjoy watching, are symptomatic of what I believe to be a serious superiority complex on Joe's behalf. No one is as clever, as witty or as insightful as Joe. Tv3, with their small budget and limited reach were never going to be anything other than a second division irrelevance to him. Sky are a different animal, and if they decide to do it right, or if they get positive viewer feedback, he knows they can completely change the face of TV presentation of GAA, including our tired, stale, cynical analysts. I think it's very unlikely that Joe feels that RTE are in an unassailable position any more, and if Sky make inroads and RTE realise they have to lift their game, the performance of Brolly and Spillane, especially, will be something the Head of Sport looks at first off.

Of course if Joe can influence public perception of Sky and make a laugh out of it, or if Sky do a bad job of it, then RTE's position becomes even stronger, and Joe has a mandate to keep on keeping on for years to come. I think that would be a real pity.

While like you I desperately want RTE to up their game, change tack and get rid of the three Nualas and their "look at me and my smart comments" I don't think it's fair to say that Brolly is only interested in RTE keeping their monopoly or being in it for financial gain. While I've no doubt he enjoys the profile he loves the GAA and what it stands for more. He's taking a principled stand here and while I may not agree with him I respect him for it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.

no theres a lady who presents the golf quite alot

That's true. Out of divilment I've just done a search of Sky's presenters (not Sky Sports News now). I think Joe's 'formula' needs rethinking.

Soccer
Premier League
Ed Chamberlin presents Monday Night Football, alongside Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, and Ford Super Sunday, whereas David Jones and Jamie Redknapp present Saturday Night Football.

Football League
Simon Thomas presents the match coverage. Bill Leslie and Don Goodman are the commentators.

Scottish football
David Tanner presents alongside Neil McCann. Ian Crocker, Andy Walker and David Provan are Sky's main commentators.

UEFA Champions League
Jeff Stelling presents Champions League coverage. The main pundits are Jamie Redknapp, Graeme Souness.

Spanish football
The Spanish football is fronted by Scott Minto, along with Guillem Balague and others.

Scores service
Sky Sports broadcasts the studio-based rolling score update shows, Gillette Soccer Saturday presented every Saturday from 12:00 to 18:00 by Jeff Stelling, and Gillette Soccer Special, broadcast on midweek evenings with significant numbers of matches taking place, usually presented by Julian Warren.

Cricket
Coverage is presented by former England captain David Gower and an illustrious commentary team including former captains Nasser Hussain, Andrew Strauss, Michael Atherton and Sir Ian Botham, popular former England batsman and coach and first-class umpire David Lloyd, former West Indian fast bowler Michael Holding and Australian legend Shane Warne, who joined the team during the 2009 Ashes.

Coverage of county cricket is presented and commentated on by former Surrey and England batsman Ian Ward and Charles Colvile.

Other international cricket is presented by Matt Floyd, Paul Allott and Nick Knight in the Sky Sports studio alongside pundits such as Ian Harvey, Jeremy Coney, Colin Croft, Robert Croft, Robert Key, Mark Butcher and Vikram Solanki.

Rugby League
The sport is now seen as being in a healthy state with two or three live matches from the Super League every week fronted by 'Eddie and Stevo' - Eddie Hemmings and former Great Britain World Cup winner Mike Stephenson - who are a rare example of a dual studio-presentation and commentary-box partnership in sports broadcasting.  Barrie McDermott, Terry O'Connor, Brian Carney or Shaun McRae often occupy the guest position.

They also broadcast a weekly midweek rugby league magazine show, Boots 'N' All, during the season; Super League's Super Men, an interview show with legends of the game hosted by Brian Carney and Sam Tomkins;

Rugby Union

Sky Sports' rugby coverage is presented by Alex Payne, James Gemmell and Rupert Cox.

etc etc etc ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
not Sky Sports News now

LOL. Indeed, not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:12:10 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.

When did that become the height of any woman's aspirations?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
not Sky Sports News now

LOL. Indeed, not.

Sorry, the reason I specified that was because Joe implied that Sky Sports 'formula' for presenting sport was with a 'lovely girl' doing the presenting. My list shows that is emphatically NOT the case. The only place where that charge could be levelled at them is on Sky Sports News, but that is a completely different role.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 11:35:43 AM


Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)

Don Cherry has said worse ;)

Don Cherry is a senile 80 year old man. What's Joe's excuse?

Anyway what's that got to do with things?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:12:10 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.

Ah I know he's only throwing out the comment as a dig and for a bit of devilment, it's his position in relation to Sky that I respect, if not totally agree with.

I've had a pint with the man and been at a roadshow he was on and he couldn't give a monkeys if the analyst job ended tomorrow. He probably doesn't take it as seriously as the rest of us want him to take it if anything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.

When did that become the height of any woman's aspirations?

I knew a woman once, she died.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
Quote from: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.

How's it going Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:12:10 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.

Ah I know he's only throwing out the comment as a dig and for a bit of devilment, it's his position in relation to Sky that I respect, if not totally agree with.

I've had a pint with the man and been at a roadshow he was on and he couldn't give a monkeys if the analyst job ended tomorrow. He probably doesn't take it as seriously as the rest of us want him to take it if anything.

but he's completely incorrect in what he said. Not only was it a sly dig at a woman for daring to present the GAA on Sky, but it's based on a non-truth. Namely "SKY's beautiful anchor formula for their overwhelmingly male audience is shamelessly sexist. That is the point."

Sky Sports do not have a 'beautiful anchor formula' for presenting live sport. I've proven that above I think.

He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
Quote from: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.

How's it going Joe?

Not to bad, thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 12:30:17 PM
Seems like the jumped-up little weasel has apologized.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on May 21, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
Talks before he thinks and ends up eventually having to apologise. He has become a parody of himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 21, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.

Is there a term for a group of male feminists?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 01:00:02 PM
careful now..down with this sort of thing..my f**king ass!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 01:03:08 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Sure how would we know?
Unless she demonstrates detailed knowledge of the movements of the Roscommon bus.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 21, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.

Is there a term for a group of male feminists?

Errr feminists I think.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 01:09:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/e05rb5q.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on May 21, 2014, 01:32:10 PM
BBC use more female presenters to present actual sports coverage than Sky. Clare Balding, Hazel Irvine, Gabby Logan and Jill Douglas all regularly anchor live or highlights coverage of various sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Most comments are about Joe not Rachel. I found his comments on Sean Cavanagh and Paul Grimley equally inappropriate and unnecessary and believe me I have no gallant wish to save their honour.

Edit* I notice Joe is now suggesting that his comments were supposed to highlight the sexism at Sky Sports, another crusade for the bould Joe - he is such a feminist!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that he's being true to himself and not being all happy clappy for the cameras.

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.

I haven't read what O'Rourke and Spillane have had to say on the matter, mainly because their columns don't interest me. I'm no doubt some are fighting RTE's battle to preserve their status but I firmly believe that's not Brolly's motivation.

On a different matter Parkinson fairly won that argument, there's a first for everything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 21, 2014, 01:40:17 PM
I have to say Rebecca Lowe does a nice job on NBC Sports coverage of the Premier League. Her cuteness is just a nice little added bonus early on a weekend morning! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 21, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.

A weasel tosspot surely?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
Has Joe's argument really now become that he is pointing out sexism at Sky by labelling its Gaa presenter as a baywatch babe?

As an aside, one of the scariest experiences of my life was attending the Camogie Inter-Varsities ball/dance/drinkathon as a young lad. Holy Jebus! It was like landing in a country where there had been no men, or drink, for decades.

I think they should invite Joe as a guest to the next one of these.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 02:47:12 PM
**Resurrect the mucksavage thread**
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on May 21, 2014, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
I haven't heard that phrase used since "War of the Buttons".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
Sure isn't it all a pantomime anyway? I wonder how confident Sky are of getting this thing to work.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.


No, you missed my attempt at humour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 21, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that he's being true to himself and not being all happy clappy for the cameras.

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.

I haven't read what O'Rourke and Spillane have had to say on the matter, mainly because their columns don't interest me. I'm no doubt some are fighting RTE's battle to preserve their status but I firmly believe that's not Brolly's motivation.

On a different matter Parkinson fairly won that argument, there's a first for everything.
I doubt  that Joe has any agenda to maintain his punditry profile, he already has a profile and a full (almost respectable :)) life outside rte and he doesn't need it. He acts the ass because most probably that's what he does on occasion. He lacks some of the social graces, not because he has some agenda to maintain his profile but probably because his social graces get swamped by his lower standards, on occasion.

Joe got deflected here by Rachel's beauty, didn't realise that she was a professional and he has apologised for his blunder. He got deflected from the argument against Sky.
The argument against Sky is not that they will do a bad job or a superficial job,  but because a FTA package now a package for subscribers only and TV3 (afaia) did not do anything to lose that package. if some Nordies couldn't get access to TV3 then some other solution could have been found instead of suspending a FTA package in favour of a restricted subsription service for everybody.
I would have expected better from Joe as he has been trained to make rational arguments and that's his main job.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 21, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 21, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
I would have expected better from Joe as he has been trained to make rational arguments and that's his main job.

Three hours every Sunday, every Summer scrunched up beside Pat Spillane in a glass dogbox makes short work of all training in making rational arguments.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 21, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Good man O'Neill always sticking up for Tyrone ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 21, 2014, 06:08:17 PM
There is some evidence that the RTÉ presenters are not Wise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 21, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.

How does Marty circumvent this unwritten rule then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Old yeller on May 21, 2014, 06:40:50 PM
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Doesnt sound as if she know much about gaelic football to be honest, surely she would have been suited for a job at the BBC with Sidebottom who seems to know very little about gaelic in my opinion, so she wouldnt been put of her depth.

We getting more and more like the NFL all the time, pitchside in the states always has female anyalsts  to update on team changes, pitch side talk etc, I hardly watch the Gaelic on sky and with sidebottom f**king up bbc presentation, it looks like i am stuck with RTE.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 07:20:22 PM
Did you type that on your phone?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2014, 07:36:02 PM
that i did! quick revision there,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 07:43:11 PM
in the history of gaa tv coverage, the most knowledgeable presenter was Pat Spillane - and look how that turned out. Perhaps we should all be grateful, that as an experienced tv presenter and journalist, that Rachel Wyse will at least be able to ask a question and read an autocue.

And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on May 21, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on May 21, 2014, 06:40:50 PM
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm

This has been going on from him for a several weeks now - he also had to apologise over his 'Animal farm' comments and deleted those tweets too.

We get he's against the Sky deal. He doesn't have to go on and on about it until we're all bored to tears.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 21, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.

How does Marty circumvent this unwritten rule then?

Beats me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2014, 08:00:35 PM
Random fact Cliona Foley is married to former Kerry footballer Dermot Hanafin. We have too much Kerry bias as it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 07:43:11 PMAnd as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.

I have no idea how or where you came to this conclusion ET.

What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Croi the inference I was taking from your comments re Cliona Foley was that the reason she is never on TV is because she might not be considered as attractive as Rachel Wyse. If I was wrong to take it as that, I apologise, but I wasn't the only one to read your post that way. On the mobile so I can't do the whole quote thing. Not important anyway, brolly's comments are the thing. btw his apology was absolutely pathetic - I think he has really damaged his credibility - wouldn't be surprised if he had to sit out a few Sundays.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on May 21, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 07:43:11 PMAnd as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.

What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?

Without quoting them verbatim, the jist of it was that he implied certain people in Croke park were like the pigs in Animal farm - he deleted the tweets and apologised over it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Croi the inference I was taking from your comments re Cliona Foley was that the reason she is never on TV is because she might not be considered as attractive as Rachel Wyse. If I was wrong to take it as that, I apologise, but I wasn't the only one to read your post that way. On the mobile so I can't do the whole quote thing. Not important anyway, brolly's comments are the thing. btw his apology was absolutely pathetic - I think he has really damaged his credibility - wouldn't be surprised if he had to sit out a few Sundays.

No worries ET. My point was that you will never find Cliona Foley presenting on Sky Sports as she doesn't fit into their formula, hair colour being an obvious one. Agreed that Brolly's comments were crude and uncalled for in case it needs stating.

Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?
Without quoting them verbatim, the jist of it was that he implied certain people in Croke park were like the pigs in Animal farm - he deleted the tweets and apologised over it.

Didn't see them, thanks heffo. You'd think, as a barrister, he'd be able to reign himself in outside of the dog box with no Spillane yapping in his ear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 22, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
But there you go again Croi - to assume that Cliona Foley is not on telly because she doesn't fit Sky's standards if attractiveness is completely off the mark. Cliona Foley isn't on telly much because she is a print journalist. To bring her in as an example of sky's sexist policy ie she wouldn't make it there completely ignores the fact that she presumably doesn't want to present on sky, has never made any effort to.present on sky, and has never presented on any other programmes on other channels. She has been used as an analyst on Rte and setanta programmes but she probably suffers from the same problem all print journalists do when asked to come into studio to cover breaking news - they are either at the event in question or writing about it. If your proof of sky's sexism is Cliona Foley's absence than you have no proof. However we do gave proof of Joe Brolly's blatant sexism, it is on his twitter feed. That is what we should be concentrating on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.

What is Sky's formula, for presenting live sport?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.

What is Sky's formula, for presenting live sport?

I think you've already answered that question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.

Come on now. That's a cop out. You said this is Sky's formula, therefore it should be very easy. I'm not picking on you, but it's just another example of how people believe stuff like this without considering the motivation behind it. Just because Joe says it's the Sky formula, doesn't make it so.

Sky Sports News is wide open to that charge, no argument, but Sky's presentation of live sport is almost the polar opposite. If anything it's a closed shop for Women, and Rachel Wyse is doing something quite rare.

BBC and ITV have more live sports presented by women than Sky, I'd bet on that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.

Come on now. That's a cop out. You said this is Sky's formula, therefore it should be very easy. I'm not picking on you, but it's just another example of how people believe stuff like this without considering the motivation behind it. Just because Joe says it's the Sky formula, doesn't make it so.

Sky Sports News is wide open to that charge, no argument, but Sky's presentation of live sport is almost the polar opposite. If anything it's a closed shop for Women, and Rachel Wyse is doing something quite rare.

BBC and ITV have more live sports presented by women than Sky, I'd bet on that.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=female+sky+sports+presenters&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=W9l9U7usIYvB7AaL24AI&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=899 (https://www.google.ie/search?q=female+sky+sports+presenters&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=W9l9U7usIYvB7AaL24AI&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=899)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 22, 2014, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

golf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
Thanks. You've made my point for me. Every one of them are Sky Sports NEWS presenters. None of them present live sports on Sky Sports. I've already said that a couple of times. Sarah Jane Mee, the red headed lady, presented Football First, or Match Choice a couple of times, as did Clare Balding I think. All the rest are news presenters on SSN, so as I said, Rachel Wyse is actually breaking the 'Formula'.

The Sky Sports presenting 'formula' if there is one, is for Professional 'broadcaster' (male) to anchor the show, with ex-pros in the sport being covered providing the 'analysis', using flashy graphics and gimmicky tools. If the presenter also happens to be an ex-pro (David Gower in cricket, Brian Carney in Rugby Leage) so much the better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 22, 2014, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

golf

Correct. Golf is presented by a woman fairly often. So, is one sport evidence of a formula? In that case TG4's formula is the very same because that blonde girl presents Rugbai beo. And of course Joanne Cantwell presents against the head  on RTE, so it's the RTE formula as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/darts/news/12286/6606457/meet-the-darts-girls

Meet the Darts girls. An exclusive interview with Jess and Jess courtesy of Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
The walk on girls?? Are you saying that Rachel Wyse's role is comparable to the Darts girls? Lads, ye're losing the plot. Joe Brolly said that Sky's formula is basically a Baywatch Babe and a few analysts. Anyone looking at their presentation of Live sport will know that that is just not the case.

Joanne Cantwell and Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghail on TG4 are comparable roles to what Rachel Wyse will be doing. Are they adhering to some 'formula' as well?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:15:30 PM
AZ, you're confusing what formula I'm referring to. The formula for a female presenter on Sky is blonde and attractive to red blooded males.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
The walk on girls?? Are you saying that Rachel Wyse's role is comparable to the Darts girls? Lads, ye're losing the plot. Joe Brolly said that Sky's formula is basically a Baywatch Babe and a few analysts. Anyone looking at their presentation of Live sport will know that that is just not the case.

Joanne Cantwell and Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghail on TG4 are comparable roles to what Rachel Wyse will be doing. Are they adhering to some 'formula' as well?

Erm, no. Relax.

Those TG4 weather girls... Unreal.

Mairead Ni Chuaig.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 22, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Ah "relax"- classic trollism. Well played.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on May 22, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
On the rare occasions RTE have camogie or ladies football analysts I'm sure their looks never came into the criteria used to choose them.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on May 22, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

Christ I should hope not! God forbid!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 22, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 22, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 22, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
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When he loses an argument to Parkinson (not even Michael but Colm) he can hardly be classed as right.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D

Jesus, I should hope it is different to what was Brolly was saying. Sky take it to extremes though, like I said, I could never imagine Clare Balding starting off her career there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 22, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Ah "relax"- classic trollism. Well played.

I apologise for using the word relax. It was crass, offensive and will not happen again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
I really couldn't give a fcuk if the presenter is male or female, good looking or not as long as they can anchor the show professionally, show some level of GAA knowledge and are prepared to let the pundits talk on the detail of the games.

Bill o'H should be the role model. Know enough to keep the conversations going and be able to provoke a good debate when necessary.

My big fear is that this is reduced to GAA for beginners. That's not what was being sold to the rank and file.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
Sky have said they won't dumb it down to any great deal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

Georgie Thompson used to present the Formula 1 until she left.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D

Jesus, I should hope it is different to what was Brolly was saying. Sky take it to extremes though, like I said, I could never imagine Clare Balding starting off her career there.

(http://www.herrugbyleague.co.uk/uploads/6/7/9/2/6792245/6063430.jpg?163)

That's Angela Powers, she presents a lot of the Rugby League magazine shows on Sky.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 22, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,

Ever been to Lavey?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on May 22, 2014, 10:16:05 PM
She'll be no Hazel Irvine. Queen of the female sports presenters!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,

Ever been to Lavey?
:)
Not until I get inoculated !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 22, 2014, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

That's a big 'if'.
I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2014, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!

This will get your motor running Dinny.

(http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/article29447229.ece/ALTERNATES/w300square/NWS_20130725_ANA_005_28370244_I1.JPG)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 23, 2014, 08:05:53 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 23, 2014, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!

This will get your motor running Dinny.

(http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/article29447229.ece/ALTERNATES/w300square/NWS_20130725_ANA_005_28370244_I1.JPG)

A beauty, she must be close to 16 hands and look at the grooming....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 23, 2014, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.
Yeah, if we're going to have a "Baywatch Babe", we may as well pick our own.

Is Aine from Sligo up to much these days?

tried to get her to show up at my brothers stag, no joy. She is some woman :-)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on May 23, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
Rozanna Purcell would be the one sure wasn't she on Celebrity Bainisteoir?????
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballinaman on May 23, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
Don't mind Roz... Now here's a woman...road frontage and all.
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 23, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on May 23, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
Don't mind Roz... Now here's a woman...road frontage and all.
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Now I see why you are into running.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 23, 2014, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
unless D4 now extends into the curragh....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
K4.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
It's ironic that Joe has managed to transform a minor newsworthy story, a very missable publicity event  on the scale of events in Ireland,  into a hailstorm of publicity for Sky GAA.

What are the odds that Joe will be sitting in the Sky Sports studio as a pundit one day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 23, 2014, 06:35:41 PM
Absolutely zero chance of that happening
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on May 23, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
It's ironic that Joe has managed to transform a minor newsworthy story, a very missable publicity event  on the scale of events in Ireland,  into a hailstorm of publicity for Sky GAA.

What are the odds that Joe will be sitting in the Sky Sports studio as a pundit one day?

It would surprise me. Sky don't do unpredictable, which you can't say about Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
'I'm in exalted company'
24 May 2014

Rachel Wyse has broken her silence on Joe Brolly's controversial 'Baywatch babe' remark about her.

The outspoken RTE pundit was forced to apologise to the Sky presenter earlier this week after he criticised Sky Sports' new GAA line-up. The former Derry All-Ireland winner had tweeted: "SKY = TV3 plus Baywatch babe" before saying sorry in a later tweet.

Dubliner Wyse had maintained a dignified silence until today when she reflected on the controversy in her Irish Independent column:

"Monday was a perfect day," she wrote in reference to the launch of Sky Sports' GAA coverage at Croke Park.

"Sadly, things changed very quickly. I knew Joe Brolly to be a skilful footballer whom I suspect knows all too well what it's like to be on the receiving end of an off-the-ball 'introduction' - so it was a little ironic that it was a fleeted-footed corner-forward that rolled out a 'welcome' to the world of the GAA.

"Naively, I thought these abilities were the patented forte of corner-backs. I don't know Brolly; I have never met the man. I do know him to be an articulate and opinionated RTE analyst, who shoots straight from the hip - as is his prerogative.

"I have no problem with people's opinions once they are well-founded and without bias. I learned a valuable lesson a long time ago working in the media - some people will like you and some people won't and the sooner you accept the latter, then the easier your career was likely to be.

"Brolly's reference to a 'Baywatch babe' is old ground for the female presenters on Sky Sports News. We cannot control such sentiments. Initially, when I joined Sky Sports, these references were hurtful, now I feel they are nothing more but an insight into the character of the people who express these opinions.

"People see different things in the same picture. But disappointingly, our appearance is deemed to be the reference point as to our ability to do our jobs. I wonder does the same logic apply to female presenters on BBC, ITV or, indeed, RTE. Or perhaps, in some minds, all female presenters across all platforms of programmes are there to entice a male audience.

"I wonder if Brolly was sitting down to pick a ladies football team, would he be happy to disregard someone based upon their appearance? I suspect not and it's disappointing he chose me as an exception.

"Then again, I am in exalted company, as I recall that he identified Sean Cavanagh as an 'exception' in the not too distant past. Watching Cavanagh rescue Tyrone last Sunday, he appears to be a man unscathed. So, hopefully, a month from now, when I reflect on this week, my fate will take a similar route."

She added: "I am well aware of the level of debate that the Sky Sports link-up with the GAA has created and people of Brolly's ilk will ensure the standards of those working on this project are maintained at the highest possible level. And for that, I am grateful. As I was to read his public apology."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 24, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
I knew little about Rachel Wyse, until this week, and had no opinion on her.

Brolly's spat with her changed that, and there is no doubt who has come out of it better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tommysmith on May 24, 2014, 12:37:43 PM
Good girl Rachel.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 24, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
Yeah she has come out as a consummate professional broadcaster and Brolly like an idiot. I think he failed to realise that he is not such a big deal and when he went at a Sky TV person they were happy to make hay of it.
As was said it was a total win for them as they were hoping to come across as 'new and fresh' compared to 'stale old RTE'. Then he comes out...played into their hands.
I like Brolly in moderation but too often he ends up not talking about the game at all and goes on some rant on one incident. Also for a GAA man(which he no doubt is) he fairly goes to town on the sport and is happy to brandish it all shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hairyUlsterman on May 24, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
I am completely against the Sky Sports move and Brolly is my favourite sports pundit of all time just to add
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BartSimpson on May 24, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
Fair play to ms Wyse, that's a hell of a comeback. I wonder will Rachel expect Joes comeback  :o ;D LOL
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 24, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
You know she can present  GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Glensman on May 25, 2014, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 24, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
You know she can present  GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?

You think Des Cahill could tell you who Mark Poland plays for? Come to think of it Spillane and O'Rourke would struggle
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
Who is Martin Dunne?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on May 26, 2014, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
She shouldn't be near GAA at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Why?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 26, 2014, 06:15:38 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 26, 2014, 06:50:20 AM
Mark Poland? Wasn't he the lead vocalist in T Rex?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 26, 2014, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 26, 2014, 06:15:38 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.
The job of the presenter is to get the chat flowing. A bit like Gaybo interviewing Padraig Flynn.
Spillane was not up to it because he always felt he knew more than the analysts and that is not the role of the presenter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on May 26, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on May 26, 2014, 06:15:38 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.

And she can make the tae and sandwiches whilst the experts watch the game!  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 09:42:28 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on May 26, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 09:42:28 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?

I played against him back him way back in College, we played his club team in a challenge one evening. He headed off to play the Rugby full time shortly after that, was a tank of a man even then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 09:42:28 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?

should it matter wheres shes from if she doesnt need to be a expert on the sport she is presenting?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM

jesus
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?

jesus man dont be going all defensive,i am only asking proacative questions,devils advocat if you like.
for the record i am all for sky and what they bring to the table regarding gaa (especially after watching the highlights rte gave of the tyrone down game last night with commentary which was very obvious that it was done after the match in a studio) and no i certainly would not want niall quinn instaed of rachel,thats what really winds me up on this board,dare to have a different opinion and its turns into a slagging match,very mature
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 26, 2014, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
Who is Martin Dunne?

Who has Martin Dunne.

If Martin can do it, it will be Dunne.

Etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 26, 2014, 11:13:33 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM

jesus
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?

jesus man dont be going all defensive,i am only asking proacative questions,devils advocat if you like.
for the record i am all for sky and what they bring to the table regarding gaa (especially after watching the highlights rte gave of the tyrone down game last night with commentary which was very obvious that it was done after the match in a studio) and no i certainly would not want niall quinn instaed of rachel,thats what really winds me up on this board,dare to have a different opinion and its turns into a slagging match,very mature

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 26, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
They might provide some form of objective analysis too unlike Joe who will just fawn over his current favourites(or chastise individuals to highlight his current bugbear) and forget the rest!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
Some day soon, Joe will just slide off the chair altogether and do his analysis lying on the studio floor.
The only time you will see him is when he grabs Tomas O'Sé's leg to interrupt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on May 29, 2014, 08:29:49 PM
What did Eamonn Delaney say about Brolly ?

Apology to Mr Joe Brolly

On 21st May 2014 I published comments about the barrister and commentator Joe Brolly on Twitter. I accept that those remarks were highly defamatory and entirely untrue. I apologise most sincerely to Mr Brolly.  I appreciate the distress and potential embarrassment such remarks could cause and therefore I have removed the offensive material and undertaken not to repeat it.

Eamon Delaney

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mick999 on May 29, 2014, 08:40:12 PM
This was it :

@EamonDelaney10: Rock on @JoeBrolly1993, the IRA/INLA cheerleader  ! independent.ie/opinion/analys...

Joe responded :

@JoeBrolly1993: @EamonDelaney10 you will be hearing from my lawyers. Your tweet is untrue and defamatory. Please forward an address for ...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 29, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Joe should sue the fcuker
That's what he and his ilk deserve

You might not agree with what joe says, but this isn't the dail where someone when beaten and can't muster any argument retorts back with the old 'IRA' slander ....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on June 16, 2014, 12:56:10 AM
Joe was having a field day at Tyrone's and Sean Cavanagh's expense. Tyrone's continual refusal to speak to RTE is detrimental to the teaming would seem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 02:28:38 PM


Interesting article from Brolly in the GL about how he thinks Donegal could beat the Dubs this year should they meet. He talks about how they line up with a defensive wall of 5 players in front of their 6 defenders. He talks about Dublin thrive on scoring goals (Which I have to agree with. I am amazed how often Dub players go for goals when it's not really on) and how they will get frustrated v Donegal.

This current Dublin team aren't that used to having to the war of attrition style of football  and whilst Mayo put it up to them a bit last year it still wasn't on a par to what we know McGuinness & Co will have in store for them.

To be totally honest I'd love if the two of them had a once off challenge match now as a taster and then the real McCoy was to happen in Sept.  ;)

The Dubs will be just sparring until Donegal come to town imho. Monaghan could give them a game but not to the same extent. Cork & Kerry showed last year how they will lose in a shoot out and Kerry have only 1 very good forward this year.  :o

Can anyone post the article up. I bought the paper
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on July 04, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
QuoteTo be totally honest I'd love if the two of them had a once off challenge match now as a taster and then the real McCoy was to happen in Sept

FM, i stand corrected but this is not possible this Sept anyhow?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
Even if Meath beat the Dubs or Monaghan/Armagh beat Funegal?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?

Yes it is. Imagine all the 70s greats been wheeled out on RTE doing interviews if it happened! And it could too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Crete Boom on July 04, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?

Well at least the odds are Mayo won't ruin the final for the neutrals this year and should be gone before the semi's ;). Although I would say the Dubs or Donegal or any other county left standing on that side wouldn't mind a handy relaxing All Ireland final plus at this stage it must be like shooting fish in a barrel for hack like Brolly when it is time to fire out a piece for the cheque after Mayo do their eternal September collapse! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 27, 2014, 08:50:27 AM

Capitalism. And the Gaa has become a commercial juggernaut. Ok the Gaa gas bills to pay and sends money to clubs all over the country each year.

On Radio Kerry yesterday, former Derry player and TV pundit Joe Brolly ramped up his argument against the fixing of Limerick as the venue by suggesting the establishment of a task force to examine the GAA's ideals under the presidency of Aogán ó Fearghail.

"We need to look at what amateur means, what our ideals are," said Brolly. "What do we believe in - do we believe in any of our core values any more? Decisions are being made behind closed doors and even officials from county boards don't know about them. They are done, we are told, for commercial reasons. But there is a general feeling among many that the commercial juggernaut has left the station.

"What you are seeing is that the GAA is slowly but surely drifting towards capitalism. I have made this point repeatedly and, talking to some high-ranking officials, they feel the same way."

Brolly believes the GAA should forget about hosting American football matches at this time of the year.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/burns-wants-major-replays-to-be-taken-out-of-croke-park-30539898.html#sthash.KUqqC4nR.dpuf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 10:20:13 AM
WTF is Burns on about?

This appears to be his argument: I would like to see it become established policy. I think it's right that, outside of All-Ireland finals, all replays should be taken out of Croke Park to give other venues an opportunity," said Burns. "I don't like the idea of so many games being played at a half-full Croke Park. I think the atmosphere of a packed provincial ground should be tapped into more.

In conclusion we should abandon Croke Park 'to give other venues an opportunity'. Really? Is that the overriding priority? Other grounds need opportunities so we will move ad hoc fixtures to these grounds? What about the players? What about those who prepare the teams and what about the supporters? No mention of any of these by Burns.

We have Provincial games at provincial grounds.
We have qualifiers at provincial grounds.

We (usually) have the serious business in Croke Park.
We know that Croke Park can take the crowds.

Unexpected Saturday fixtures in Provincial Grounds will have unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 27, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 10:20:13 AM
WTF is Burns on about?

This appears to be his argument: I would like to see it become established policy. I think it's right that, outside of All-Ireland finals, all replays should be taken out of Croke Park to give other venues an opportunity," said Burns. "I don't like the idea of so many games being played at a half-full Croke Park. I think the atmosphere of a packed provincial ground should be tapped into more.

In conclusion we should abandon Croke Park 'to give other venues an opportunity'. Really? Is that the overriding priority? Other grounds need opportunities so we will move ad hoc fixtures to these grounds? What about the players? What about those who prepare the teams and what about the supporters? No mention of any of these by Burns.

We have Provincial games at provincial grounds.
We have qualifiers at provincial grounds.

We (usually) have the serious business in Croke Park.
We know that Croke Park can take the crowds.

Unexpected Saturday fixtures in Provincial Grounds will have unintended consequences.

I kind of agree with him though, i would like to see some of the games at a packed provincial ground rather than a 1/4 full croke park.

I think the quarter finals especially should be in the provincial grounds.
The provincial winners should all get to play their qtr finals at their provincial grounds.
I would like to see the semis kept at croke park though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 10:38:43 AM
At this stage, outside of the final or maybe a big semi-final match-up, I don't think Croke Park should be used during the Leinster championship.
Regardless of what happens this year, the crowds for Dublin games are only going one way as people are tired of watching non-contests.
Inject a bit of novelty, send more games to Tullamore, Portlaoise, Navan etc.
I've never bought into this craic of players having the automatic right to play in Croke Park.
You should have to earn the right to play there.
Personally, Tullamore is my favourite 'neutral' venue in Leinster and I'd love to go to more games there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on August 27, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 10:38:43 AM
At this stage, outside of the final or maybe a big semi-final match-up, I don't think Croke Park should be used during the Leinster championship.
Regardless of what happens this year, the crowds for Dublin games are only going one way as people are tired of watching non-contests.
Inject a bit of novelty, send more games to Tullamore, Portlaoise, Navan etc.
I've never bought into this craic of players having the automatic right to play in Croke Park.
You should have to earn the right to play there.
Personally, Tullamore is my favourite 'neutral' venue in Leinster and I'd love to go to more games there.

Amen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
Me too. Very little atmosphere.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.

There was a decent crowd in Croker last Sunday (only Semple could accommodate that number, I think?) and there was definitely nothing lost in atmosphere for it not being at capacity.

Leinster double-header matches tend to draw small crowds and it makes for a very poor atmosphere. Same with a lot of the double-headers in the qualifiers, would be better off in a provincial venue
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.

There was a decent crowd in Croker last Sunday (only Semple could accommodate that number, I think?) and there was definitely nothing lost in atmosphere for it not being at capacity.

Leinster double-header matches tend to draw small crowds and it makes for a very poor atmosphere. Same with a lot of the double-headers in the qualifiers, would be better off in a provincial venue

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 03:47:16 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 03:47:16 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.

What revenue will go to Tuam, Clarinbridge and Claregalway?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Msgr. Horan on August 27, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 03:47:16 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Good point, the problem is not really a half full Croke Park, its all these fecken white elephants around the country used once a year that have put county boards in debt. Tis like the mid 00's, everyone had to have a holiday home.
I half think this has been a strategy by the GAA to stop the inevitable argument for pay for players, pretty soon with the debt in Croke Park paid off and the millions still rolling in from extra curricular activities, and all the white elephants built there will be nowhere to put the money soon seeing as they dont really give much to clubs. Maybe they'll have to do that - give more to the clubs - shock horror.
And before anyone says they do give it to the clubs, I know the Munster Council got a million last year why are their fees of up to and over €1000 to enter adult club teams into competitions? Where does that money go? Why do we all have to fundraise for pitches and pitch developments, gear and all that. I'm also involved with a rugby club and its way easier to source funds centrally in rugby than it is with the GAA club. We did match floodlights last year and 60% came from central funding and grants. I know theres a smaller base of clubs in rugby but the GAA has WAY more revenue streams than the IRFU, and the GAA have feck all employees. Something doesnt add up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 27, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
If Dublin were in the semi-final, what would be the chances of having the game played outside of the capital? Its hard enough to get them playing out of Croker at the best of times.

precedent is no real benchmark - the new croke park and the ulster rivalry of Tyrone v Armagh brought ulster finals to Croke Park - when there was savage interest in these games 65,000 people would turn up (i think that was the peak crowd)....

In another year with no american football, this would not have been an issue - would have been in croker regardless.

fact remains that the GAA need to plan better - the brooks fiasco, american football...joke for an organisation of this scale...Jarlath Burns is putting forward suggestions that should have been mentioned ages ago....cover all eventualities ......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You're some man to know about roads tbf Sid!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:19:06 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2014, 08:50:27 AM

"We need to look at what amateur means, what our ideals are," said Brolly. "What do we believe in - do we believe in any of our core values any more? Decisions are being made behind closed doors and even officials from county boards don't know about them. They are done, we are told, for commercial reasons. But there is a general feeling among many that the commercial juggernaut has left the station.

"What you are seeing is that the GAA is slowly but surely drifting towards capitalism. I have made this point repeatedly and, talking to some high-ranking officials, they feel the same way."

I hope Joe will also be speaking out against sponsor's names on jerseys. And sponsors of competitions. And team holidays. And the professional administration and others employed by the GAA such as Games Development Officers. And the corporate money that helped to build Croke Park. And anything like that.

What does amateur mean? I don't think a very long debate needs to be had about that. I think it's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?

I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:00:39 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:00:39 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?

Wow, that would dilute the match traffic, wouldn't it? See, 3 different ways for the match traffic to go, and that is only the supporters who don't take the train which further dilutes things. Add to that the fact that the N5 is a National Primary Route with only a handful of towns on it, some so small they don't even have traffic lights and don't cause delays and you are laughing.

But of course traffic will all merge on the way to Limerick. Have you got this bit yet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:00:39 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?

Wow, that would dilute the match traffic, wouldn't it? See, 3 different ways for the match traffic to go, and that is only the supporters who don't take the train which further dilutes things. Add to that the fact that the N5 is a National Primary Route with only a handful of towns on it, some so small they don't even have traffic lights and don't cause delays and you are laughing.

But of course traffic will all merge on the way to Limerick. Have you got this bit yet?
Oh, but what about this huge amount of extra support Mayo would bring to Croke Park, you know all the people who can't go now that it's in Limerick?

And tell me this, does all traffic from Mayo merge onto the same road at Kinnegad when coming to Dublin, or does it not? Have you got this bit yet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
And the last 63km into Limerick s motorway too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.

Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 08:08:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Terribly upset.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.


Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Serious chemistry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM


Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Well, it is Gay Pride day in Limerick on Saturday so I suppose it would be rude not to get into the spirit of things.

Will Mayo's new Rose of Tralee be making an appearance, I wonder?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 28, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 29, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !


Mike if your ma wants it in the closet, you am i to disappoint?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:42:21 AM
Sledging on the board. Who'd have thought it ?.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 31, 2014, 12:32:18 PM
Joe will have to be disciplined soon.

Did he really announce on the Saturday game that there couldn't be a replay in Croke Park next week due to a Mc Donald's family fun day event being held there ?.

Cheeky !  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 29, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !


Mike if your ma wants it in the closet, you am i to disappoint?

Your ma is so ugly she turned you off women. How was the parade ?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on September 03, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 03, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 03, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.

Joe was never grate.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 03, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.

O'Neill you've hit the nail on the head well - Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on September 04, 2014, 12:43:36 PM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on September 11, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 04, 2014, 12:43:36 PM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality

RTE/TG4 have the best pundits on the telly if only they would use them more. Unashamed to say they are both from West Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 11, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 04, 2014, 12:43:36 PM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality

RTE/TG4 have the best pundits on the telly if only they would use them more. Unashamed to say they are both from West Kerry.

You always were a cut above 5Sams.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)
I think you are being harsh on Rachel Wyse,  she presents the show well and has as much a clue about the game as Lester does at times.
The big thing is that they actually discuss the game at hand and its incidents and tactics rather than the pundits using it as a soapbox for their own agendas and trotting out the same cliched views every week.
In fairness to RTE tomas o'se has been a breathe of fresh air, but they need a lot more like him and a clear out of the rubbish we have had to endure for years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)
I think you are being harsh on Rachel Wyse,  she presents the show well and has as much a clue about the game as Lester does at times.
The big thing is that they actually discuss the game at hand and its incidents and tactics rather than the pundits using it as a soapbox for their own agendas and trotting out the same cliched views every week.
In fairness to RTE tomas o'se has been a breathe of fresh air, but they need a lot more like him and a clear out of the rubbish we have had to endure for years.

Correct. I think Rachel Wyse has been fine, in her role. She understands sport, and the dedication it takes. She also has an insight into the GAA in terms of it's place in Ireland. As an 'anchor', that's all you need. I don't see the need for Brian Carney as well mind you, I think he and Rachel could alternate presentation duties, or better again let him host a proper mid week review/analysis program, and let Rachel keep the Sunday/Saturday gig.

In general I think Sky's approach has been good. Not because of loads of technical wizardry, but because they have been generally upbeat and positive about the games and the players, as I expected they would be. It stands in stark contrast to the Football pundit(s) on RTE who are anything but, normally.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.

Just out of interest - what gave you the impression that Rachel Wyse had no clue about the game? I think she's done a decent job and left it to the analysts to analyse - which they have done without the need to resort to personal insults and generalisations.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.

Just out of interest - what gave you the impression that Rachel Wyse had no clue about the game? I think she's done a decent job and left it to the analysts to analyse - which they have done without the need to resort to personal insults and generalisations.

Not knowing the names of players/mentors without glancing at notes (or being prompted) from recollection. I didn't expect her to be an expert obviously. I tuned out from Sky coverage after a couple of games to be honest when I saw Senan Connell appear...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 11, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.

Maybe not the latter. Jamsie O'Connor would be mortified. He looks like a lad after making his confirmation at the best of times.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)

I wouldn't fault Rachel for that as more experienced commentators on RTÉ were wondering when Henry would appear as if it was inevitable, with Cody duly obliging with 5 minutes to go. Cody obviously thought Henry would have an impact as well.

I like Henry, fantastic hurler and all that, but his intercounty race is run and a monumental run is has been. I don't think we'll see the likes of it again in my lifetime.
I think I said back in the spring that if Kilkenny do win an AI it would be off the backs of the Fennelly's, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan and Richie Power and not Henry. I still stand by that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2014, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.

That would get the boys on this board fairly excited if she starting talking about huge ones...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)

I wouldn't fault Rachel for that as more experienced commentators on RTÉ were wondering when Henry would appear as if it was inevitable, with Cody duly obliging with 5 minutes to go. Cody obviously thought Henry would have an impact as well.

I like Henry, fantastic hurler and all that, but his intercounty race is run and a monumental run is has been. I don't think we'll see the likes of it again in my lifetime.
I think I said back in the spring that if Kilkenny do win an AI it would be off the backs of the Fennelly's, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan and Richie Power and not Henry. I still stand by that.

Henry came on against Limerick and made a big impact in just upsetting the Limerick half back line who were well on top at the time. He won ball, hopped off lads, and set the tone for the Kilkenny forwards.

I'm not sure the Tipp lads would pay much heed to that, but at the same time if he got a small bit better on his first touch in the play leading up to the controversial free at the end, he'd have maybe hit the winner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 04:13:34 PM
Yeah he got stuck in against Limerick and made a contribution to be fair. And they were behind when he came on that day. Think the rain and slower game might have suited him though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 16, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on November 16, 2014, 04:37:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 16, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.

Probably had a liquid lunch wouldn't be the first time
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on November 16, 2014, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 16, 2014, 04:37:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 16, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.

Probably had a liquid lunch wouldn't be the first time

Quit with this guff for the love of god
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneboi on November 16, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
"His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic."

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 16, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.

Probably not but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he ever meets him.......assuming Roy knows who the wee Bollox is!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 16, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 16, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
"His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic."

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.

Probably not but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he ever meets him.......assuming Roy knows who the wee Bollox is!

If he doesn't, I am sure Joe will tell him quick enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on November 16, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 16, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
"His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic."

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.

I am Joe's complete lack of awareness.

It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.

Anyone know if Joe's been back on RTE Radio since he had the row with Des Cahill during the summer?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2014, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2014, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 16, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 16, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
"His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic."

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.

It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.
What??

Kettle.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on November 16, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
Or, in Foxrock, cows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 07, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
I have to say, he made a lot of sense on Newstalk last night regarding fixtures and the sustainability, and some might say the morality, of the current model for inter-county football.
Worth a listen.

http://www.newstalk.com/player/home/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/74212/joe_brolly__gaelic_football_is_depressing (http://www.newstalk.com/player/home/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/74212/joe_brolly__gaelic_football_is_depressing)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 07, 2015, 04:30:43 PM
Just listened to it there now.

The man is one the money. The power brokers have a different agenda to the 95% of the the GAA population.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 07, 2015, 05:23:30 PM
Money has to be made. Players are disposable. And sure at best you'll get 10 years out of any inter county player. They used to worry about the Aussies stealing players, but they have realised there are plenty of fish in even our small pool. Nothing to worry about there is a new hero around the corner. Many of today's footballers will realise when they get older and are suffering from different chronic injuries just how much they were taken advantage of. Youth is a mad place because you cannot for the life of you envisage being old and being a cripple from sacrifices. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 07, 2015, 05:29:39 PM
I think it's a bit OTT to be talking about cripples etc. and I don't think the physical implications of the increased level of commitment is what Joe was getting at.
The issue is that whereas in years gone by, your career may develop more slowly because you were a county footballer, now you effectively cannot start your career because you are an inter-county footballer.
There are too many lads going from scholarship to scholarship as Joe says and delaying their entry into the real world.
What are their prospects when they hit 29/30?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 06:44:08 PM
I don't usually have a lot of time for Joe's comments but on this issue he is bang on. Often the most simple solutions to problems are the best and this is a very straight forward idea which would be easy to implement. Running the league from January to March and the championship April to July makes perfect sense. Leaving half the year for the clubs is essential if we are to cater for the majority of players who participate in our games. He is also right about players welfare with regards to their careers. This is an area which has been neglected over the years and giving a lad a job as a coach or a scholarship for another degree to play more football is not looking after their best interests. I hope in this instance his comments are taken on board by the powers that be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
I'd agree with his sentiments but his solution is not in the best interests of the GAA IMO and ignores a lot of realities, like getting hurling folk to agree to playing in January and February, the minor All Ireland can't be played in June (so clubs can't necessarily swing into action in July), family holidays in July/August impacting on club fixtures, getting club championships to all Ireland completion by early December. We've too few games for all players with some playing on far too many teams. I'm not sure Joe's solution addresses that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
I'd agree with his sentiments but his solution is not in the best interests of the GAA IMO and ignores a lot of realities, like getting hurling folk to agree to playing in January and February, the minor All Ireland can't be played in June (so clubs can't necessarily swing into action in July), family holidays in July/August impacting on club fixtures, getting club championships to all Ireland completion by early December. We've too few games for all players with some playing on far too many teams. I'm not sure Joe's solution addresses that.

There's going to be problems whatever way you try to do it but the current situation is not working. The hurling championship only has about 12 or so teams so it should be able to find a way to condense the season on their own without causing a workable solution in football to be found. And if we base the fixtures around people going on holiday then we may as well forget trying to find any solution. If that does become a big issue would there be any merit in running the club championships from January to June and the Inter county from July to the end of October/ mid November?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
Your right Benny there is no problem free solution but I don't think it's as easy as saying IC for 6 months club for 6 months. The problems are more complex than that, for example if you are starting IC in January then training will have to start in November when clubs are coming to the end of their season how do those equations balance out. In saying that, what we have currently is possibly the worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
Your right Benny there is no problem free solution but I don't think it's as easy as saying IC for 6 months club for 6 months. The problems are more complex than that, for example if you are starting IC in January then training will have to start in November when clubs are coming to the end of their season how do those equations balance out. In saying that, what we have currently is possibly the worst case scenario.

Yes, I agree that the problems are a bit more complex than just splitting the year but if we are starting from scratch with the fixtures and trying to get all competitions run off in a calander year then getting a defined season for club and county as perhaps the two most important areas to cater for first, may be a good starting point to work from. We can try to manage the other problems around this structure with perhaps a redefined minor championship being part of the solution with an u20 competition replacing minor and u21 running along the senior championship with no players allowed to compete in both.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 08:57:35 PM
Yep, breaking the multi team representation model is vital in my opinion. We do need to get radical about the problem, of that there's no doubt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 07, 2015, 09:01:26 PM
I think this will be Joe's new crusade over the next few months and if it isn't debated now (and more importantly action taken) it will be forgatten come championship and another year will be lost. Ironically the GPA have done absolutely nothing on this matter to the best of my knowledge and like him or loathe him my money would be on Brolly in producing lively debate and effecting change over the GPA any day of the week. I'm sure there are plenty of people who know county players who loathe the sacrifices and slog that is getting worse every year but who will say nothing because of the pressure put on them by their peers and management to not let their county down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 07, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
The GPA are doing nought. ..a few self servers on an undisclosed wage  paying lip service to some of the countries elite players whilst jet setting around the world.  Those chancers don't  wanna rock the boat I'd imagine
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 08, 2015, 09:28:07 AM
Joe's ability to carry and argument is standing his position in good stead. A man with lesser skill would be attacked and squashed by those at (in those overly interested in) the revenue generating end of the GAA. We're very lucky to have him.

Id say those people are going to hold their hands to their ears and hope it all blows over. The question is will it? How do we force this issue to get addressed?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 08, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on January 08, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 08, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.

This is an extremely dangerous position to go down for a number of reasons. One been that the gap between the successful sides and the cannon fodder will only grow. We already see it in some counties where the best players aren't playing intercounty because they see more benefit in playing with their club i.e. chance of success, no hammerings, half the work etc. This would only happen more.

You'd be faced with a big club and county divide. This mightn't matter in the big urban centres but at grassroot level round the country it would soon become a problem.

There has be a balance somewhere in the middle for everyone.

More and more the GAA at all levels is turning into big business and volunteers will only facilitate this for a time, generally volunteers don't do business.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on January 08, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
Joe is 100% here. Not too many of the GAA bigwigs will be queueing up to take him on either. It's a mess as it stands and the game is worse off for it.

The fun is fast going out of the game and so too is the enjoyment of playing or watching it.  Wouldn't fancy being a forward at all in today's game.

And for all the bluster, not one meaningful change was implemented to prevent burnout.

There is still a period in the calendar whereby a talented young player could be under pressure to train, play, or if not, "still come along anyway to show your face" with four different teams. County U 21's and seniors, as well as club and university. Crazy altogether, and in all this by far the biggest lose is the player himself who will be either burned out early, tired all the time, or simply get fed up with all the pressure.

Go on Joe. This time the vast majority of GAA followers are behind you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
I agree with Brolly here. The intercounty game is destroying the GAA and the great bastions of protecting players are to the forefront of the drive to professionalise the game. The GPA are completely unfit for their stated purpose but many of us realised that their stated purpose was only a cover. It always really been about money with them. Intercounty players might have got less gear and money pre-GPA but I guarantee they enjoyed it an awful lot more. The powers that be in Croke Park also stand indicted for allowing this to happen. They're even worse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2015, 10:50:52 AM
If it was always about the money before then it's now even more so about the £.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
This is what I was saying on another thread. Even an amateur organisation, and maybe especially an amateur organisation the size of the GAA, requires money, and lots of it, to keep things ticking over and to provide the facilities and support to our counties, clubs and players.

For this, you need a business model, and you need businessmen to implement the business model.

Our problem, to me, seems to be that the raison d'etre for the business model in the first place is being lost, and everything is focussed on maximising and growing the revenue streams with no obvious controls in place to make sure that the money is a means to an end (i.e. to help run the GAA and to support our games) rather than the games becoming a means to growing the business, which appears to be the case at the moment.

We need to recalibrate what the GAA is all about, and cop on to ourselves. An amateur organisation needs enough money to keep it running, and to help with facilities, coaching, expenses etc. That should be a finite, identifiable monetary amount.

We seem to be just aiming to grow and grow, and continue to invest and invest in large scale projects that may not be needed at all. So we spend more and more money, we make more and more money, and then we try to figure out ways to make even more money and grow the balance sheet.

When your focus moves into that sphere, it doesn't take long for the actual games, and the people playing them, to be left behind in the consciousness.


This drive for money doesn't fully explain or address the attitude that has become prevalent in terms of living like a monk in order to be successful, but it is a contributing factor in the way the games are scheduled, and various other CCCC type decisions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 08, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 08, 2015, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 08, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?


I think most people feel the sponsors of the All Ireland championships will cut funding for a shortened season?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2015, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 08, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?

From what Jinxy?

I'm talking about the general drive behind a lot of current policy and decisions from Croker seems to be driven largely by how it translates to to the revenue streams. I mentioned a few on the other thread.

If you're asking why Brolly's suggestion wouldn't be accepted, I'm not sure that it wouldn't, but some of the revenue considerations would be....

Direct competition with Premiership Soccer and Rugby, which both finish up at the end of May. This competition may impact attendences and will certainly impact on media coverage. Less media coverage = less money.
Shorter championships with less games would mean less gate receipts, and less revenue from TV. (I'm not sure if Brolly is proposing that, but I am :) )
Club only in the height of summer = a huge gap in the TV schedule which was perfect for the GAA. I think the GAA want to increase their profile, not decrease it.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 08, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
This is what I was saying on another thread. Even an amateur organisation, and maybe especially an amateur organisation the size of the GAA, requires money, and lots of it, to keep things ticking over and to provide the facilities and support to our counties, clubs and players.

For this, you need a business model, and you need businessmen to implement the business model.

Our problem, to me, seems to be that the raison d'etre for the business model in the first place is being lost, and everything is focussed on maximising and growing the revenue streams with no obvious controls in place to make sure that the money is a means to an end (i.e. to help run the GAA and to support our games) rather than the games becoming a means to growing the business, which appears to be the case at the moment.

We need to recalibrate what the GAA is all about, and cop on to ourselves. An amateur organisation needs enough money to keep it running, and to help with facilities, coaching, expenses etc. That should be a finite, identifiable monetary amount.

We seem to be just aiming to grow and grow, and continue to invest and invest in large scale projects that may not be needed at all. So we spend more and more money, we make more and more money, and then we try to figure out ways to make even more money and grow the balance sheet.

When your focus moves into that sphere, it doesn't take long for the actual games, and the people playing them, to be left behind in the consciousness.


This drive for money doesn't fully explain or address the attitude that has become prevalent in terms of living like a monk in order to be successful, but it is a contributing factor in the way the games are scheduled, and various other CCCC type decisions.

This sounds a bit like the FF/PD/Green coalition strategy for the property market. That ended well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on January 08, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
people forget thats it almost an anomaly that the GAA exist in anything like its present form. The great Green  eyed god og soccer with its insaitable desire for cash has to keep growing and growing and take out as many other sports as possible . if it is to keep fundings its players Messi supposed to be offered 500K Sterling a week would keep most counties solvent for the year.
to comete with that The GAA need more meaningful games in better facilities ,
is it possible?  does it mean fewer teams ala rugger with just 4 teams and neverending hype, or do we go the way of basketball here getting smaller and smaller each year.
I think if your not growing your dying
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on January 08, 2015, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 08, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
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You got to remember the GAA is were it  is  because of its voluntary ethos (bar a minority of mercenaries) remove the county player from the parochial  club set up and it wont belong before you dont have the IC player set up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 11, 2015, 03:55:51 PM
Brolly on RTE radio talking about fixtures, overtraining and player welfare. The ball has started rolling on this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 08:08:55 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.


I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LCohen on January 11, 2015, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 08:08:55 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.


  • The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
  • If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
  • Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
  • A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
  • You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
  • It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.

I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
misses on huge point. For the most part players don't play too much (actually they should play more). They need to train less.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on January 11, 2015, 08:51:59 PM
Agree with your last point LCohen. How many players when they have no Gaelic to play take to soccer or rugby or the like.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
But surely with there being so many competitions, if you cut back on the number of inter-county games they'll be under less pressure to train so much?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
Somebody mentioned that we train 12/13 times for every match ?. Surely that ratio is too high ?.

Has anyone the proper figures on this ?. Pre season soccer compared to Gaa - how long is pre season professional soccer ( not that we can fairly and / or accurately compare ) ?.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 11, 2015, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 08:08:55 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.


  • The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
  • If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
  • Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
  • A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
  • You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
  • It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.

I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.

Agree with much of what you say but your solution is infinitely worse IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on January 12, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0111/671850-brolly-calls-for-club-county-manager-restrictions/

"Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly has called for a ban on non-members managing clubs and insisted county managers should be from within the county.

Brolly made the comments as part of a wide-ranging panel discussion on RTÉ Sunday Sport about player welfare, the balance between club and county commitments and the state of Gaelic football.

Brolly said that "over the last 15 years, we have imported professional sport practices into an amateur, community-based game. And what has happened is that players, in essence, put their lives on hold between the ages of 20 and 30.

"It used to be for club and county and all that. Whenever I was playing football, everyone had careers, they developed their careers. We trained twice a week with the county, maybe three times. It was part of a healthy, balanced life.

"The problem now is that you've got some county teams who are training ten times a week."

In a newspaper column last Sunday, Brolly had said that players were little better than "battery hens". In a follow-up column he took issue at payments to managers within the GAA.

Brolly told RTÉ Sport that "slowly but surely we are moving away from the community-based idealistic organisation that we're meant to be.

"Now you've got a black market in paid managers. It's absolutely thriving. Players are suffering like never before. It's happening at club and county level.""
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on January 12, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 12, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0111/671850-brolly-calls-for-club-county-manager-restrictions/

"Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly has called for a ban on non-members managing clubs and insisted county managers should be from within the county.

Brolly made the comments as part of a wide-ranging panel discussion on RTÉ Sunday Sport about player welfare, the balance between club and county commitments and the state of Gaelic football.

Brolly said that "over the last 15 years, we have imported professional sport practices into an amateur, community-based game. And what has happened is that players, in essence, put their lives on hold between the ages of 20 and 30.

"It used to be for club and county and all that. Whenever I was playing football, everyone had careers, they developed their careers. We trained twice a week with the county, maybe three times. It was part of a healthy, balanced life.

"The problem now is that you've got some county teams who are training ten times a week."

In a newspaper column last Sunday, Brolly had said that players were little better than "battery hens". In a follow-up column he took issue at payments to managers within the GAA.

Brolly told RTÉ Sport that "slowly but surely we are moving away from the community-based idealistic organisation that we're meant to be.

"Now you've got a black market in paid managers. It's absolutely thriving. Players are suffering like never before. It's happening at club and county level.""

Did someone on here not come up with that idea a couple of weeks back?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 12, 2015, 09:56:34 AM
I think Brolly said a good while back about club managers having to come from within their own county. Half of Derrys best managers are with Tyrone clubs!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly Reality and Myth
Post by: samwin08 on January 12, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
I have not known any GAA manager who got rich by managing a Gaelic football club or county.
People  please--- we need to cop on about this--the reality is far from the myth-- I can assure  you, most managers struggle to get reasonable expenses and certainly do not get re reimbursed for their time commitment, ( if a club or county  are lucky enough to have a wealthy business person who loves the GAA, then that is a different perspective  as the GAA is not providing the money in this scenario and therefore  not to be confused with County Boards or Clubs paying managers.
As for Joe Brolly, well guys he is probably one of the ex players who is   extremely well paid for his commentary on all things GAA, but his views are typical  of a middle aged anxious Dad as he views  the sporting  careers  of his teenage kids coming under pressure from their genes, their birthplace, from their peers and from their environment and therefore his  perceived problems of the GAA  are a focus point of his blame game.

All the best for 2015
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on January 12, 2015, 10:53:45 AM
The championship is far too elongated, with it being all too common for there being three weeks between games, meaning managers feel the need to train all the longer.

Two weeks max between games for everyone even if that does mean the likes of the Leinster football championship starting earlier than Ulster, Connaght and Munster.

Won't suit the TV rights, but something has gotta give.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly Reality and Myth
Post by: LeoMc on January 12, 2015, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: samwin08 on January 12, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
I have not known any GAA manager who got rich by managing a Gaelic football club or county.
People  please--- we need to cop on about this--the reality is far from the myth-- I can assure  you, most managers struggle to get reasonable expenses and certainly do not get re reimbursed for their time commitment, ( if a club or county  are lucky enough to have a wealthy business person who loves the GAA, then that is a different perspective  as the GAA is not providing the money in this scenario and therefore  not to be confused with County Boards or Clubs paying managers.
As for Joe Brolly, well guys he is probably one of the ex players who is   extremely well paid for his commentary on all things GAA, but his views are typical  of a middle aged anxious Dad as he views  the sporting  careers  of his teenage kids coming under pressure from their genes, their birthplace, from their peers and from their environment and therefore his  perceived problems of the GAA  are a focus point of his blame game.

All the best for 2015

I am confused by the first part of your post, are you trying to say that big payments are a myth or that they are OK if they come from wealthy benefactors and not directly from the clubs?

I would agree that MOST managers would not get rich and they do put in a lot of time, not just training sessions & matches but on the phone to players or sitting with a notebook figuring out drills, team line-up's etc.  There has to be a love of the game to put that work in but mileage expenses are not great and only cover the trips to and from training & games not the other time and it would be disengenuous to argue that generous enducements are not commonplace.

One could just as easily stack up a players commitments, gym time, nights in, etc, or the ground-keeper or the Secretary to justify their being paid!

Alternatively you could argue that a club (or wealthy benefactor) is simply paying for a specialised service like Prunty or Physios or hire of a gym not available within the club.

Either way there is a debate to be had rather than brushing it under the carpet.


As for the second part and your attack on Brolly, have a wee read back over this thread to see what money he is paid for his commentary on all things GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Im thinking that the number of paid for managers is exaggerated by Joe Brolly to make a very valid point, but the exaggeration almost in itself attacks the argument

over the last few months I have spoken to a number of people involved in club management mainly in Armagh, Tyrone and Derry, and a couple in Antrim

Right now there are some clubs with serious aspirations on the look out for management - at least 4 in Tyrone Div 1 , 3-4 in Armagh Div 1 and 1 I know of in Derry....must be a similar picture across the province in Down, Antrim etc

There are over 2000 clubs in the country, but in the 32 senior championships, there are only ever going to be 3-4 teams who have a chance to win...so in Armagh it always looks like Crossmaglen, yet in Tyrone there are maybe 6 possibles...in Antrim it always looks like St galls and in Down there could be 3 or 4 etc....etc...

Dublin might be a different picture with the finance available to some clubs, but rural clubs right now are struggling to run their clubs in the black...

Payments to managers will never appear on a club accounts and never acknowledged by a treasurer, but it does happen - whether its in a brown envelope with a local business man or an "in-kind' arrangement which suits both parties....

Take into account the fact that only a few clubs will ever realistically EVER have a chance o winning anything....either through resource, standard of players etc...

Managers are GETTING PAID, there is no doubt about that, its just trying to get a handle on how many are, and how much....

...and then really getting an idea of what can seriously be done about it...




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 12, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Im thinking that the number of paid for managers is exaggerated by Joe Brolly to make a very valid point, but the exaggeration almost in itself attacks the argument

over the last few months I have spoken to a number of people involved in club management mainly in Armagh, Tyrone and Derry, and a couple in Antrim

Right now there are some clubs with serious aspirations on the look out for management - at least 4 in Tyrone Div 1 , 3-4 in Armagh Div 1 and 1 I know of in Derry....must be a similar picture across the province in Down, Antrim etc

There are over 2000 clubs in the country, but in the 32 senior championships, there are only ever going to be 3-4 teams who have a chance to win...so in Armagh it always looks like Crossmaglen, yet in Tyrone there are maybe 6 possibles...in Antrim it always looks like St galls and in Down there could be 3 or 4 etc....etc...

Dublin might be a different picture with the finance available to some clubs, but rural clubs right now are struggling to run their clubs in the black...

Payments to managers will never appear on a club accounts and never acknowledged by a treasurer, but it does happen - whether its in a brown envelope with a local business man or an "in-kind' arrangement which suits both parties....

Take into account the fact that only a few clubs will ever realistically EVER have a chance o winning anything....either through resource, standard of players etc...

Managers are GETTING PAID, there is no doubt about that, its just trying to get a handle on how many are, and how much....

...and then really getting an idea of what can seriously be done about it...

if certain junior clubs in Derry are paying outside managers (or have done so in the very recent past), then Brolly isnt exaggerating at all
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Im thinking that the number of paid for managers is exaggerated by Joe Brolly to make a very valid point, but the exaggeration almost in itself attacks the argument

over the last few months I have spoken to a number of people involved in club management mainly in Armagh, Tyrone and Derry, and a couple in Antrim

Right now there are some clubs with serious aspirations on the look out for management - at least 4 in Tyrone Div 1 , 3-4 in Armagh Div 1 and 1 I know of in Derry....must be a similar picture across the province in Down, Antrim etc

There are over 2000 clubs in the country, but in the 32 senior championships, there are only ever going to be 3-4 teams who have a chance to win...so in Armagh it always looks like Crossmaglen, yet in Tyrone there are maybe 6 possibles...in Antrim it always looks like St galls and in Down there could be 3 or 4 etc....etc...

Dublin might be a different picture with the finance available to some clubs, but rural clubs right now are struggling to run their clubs in the black...

Payments to managers will never appear on a club accounts and never acknowledged by a treasurer, but it does happen - whether its in a brown envelope with a local business man or an "in-kind' arrangement which suits both parties....

Take into account the fact that only a few clubs will ever realistically EVER have a chance o winning anything....either through resource, standard of players etc...

Managers are GETTING PAID, there is no doubt about that, its just trying to get a handle on how many are, and how much....

...and then really getting an idea of what can seriously be done about it...

if certain junior clubs in Derry are paying outside managers (or have done so in the very recent past), then Brolly isnt exaggerating at all

Joe "only" exaggerates
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Pangurban on January 12, 2015, 03:51:16 PM
Joes exposition on the Sunday  Game re. where the GAA is at, and the unrealistic demands being made on amateur players, was the best analysis i have heard yet, and deserves serious debate at all levels within the association up too and including congress. We are drifting away from our charter and our roots, towards an elitist professional ideal which will not serve our association well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 12, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 12, 2015, 03:51:16 PM
Joes exposition on the Sunday  Game re. where the GAA is at, and the unrealistic demands being made on amateur players, was the best analysis i have heard yet, and deserves serious debate at all levels within the association up too and including congress. We are drifting away from our charter and our roots, towards an elitist professional ideal which will not serve our association well

I am amazed by the fact that many good posters here will defend payment to managers. In particular payment to outside managers. Fund raising, as we all know, is a struggle for any club, but to transfer the majority those funds out of the club to one individual is not reasonable imho.

If players and officials can be expected to make huge sacrifices for their club, then so can the senior team-manager. I agree with Brolly on this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on January 12, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
Yep, forcing the manager to be an actual member of the club makes eminent sense. Although I'm sure the cash hungry managers would adapt though and recategorise themselves as "training coaches" or some other gun for hire terminology.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 12, 2015, 06:20:59 PM
A club we visited a couple of years ago had 15 men managing other clubs. This was at a time when their juveniles were struggling for coaching resource. 

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 12, 2015, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...

Fixed that for ya
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 12, 2015, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent.
Why get offended? He's not referring to true volunteers like you. Strange
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on January 12, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Payment of club managers is a cancer of our game, it is happening in every single county, probably across all divisions. £200 a session for top tier club in Derry and this was considered 'reasonable'. The manager feels like he has to train 3 nights a week and gets his money and feels vindicated by the stupid commitment asked for, in many instances before Christmas.

Brolly is right on this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on January 12, 2015, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.

I only heard a bit of that yesterday but was john Galvin not saying that Brolly was over-playing the amount of pressurethat's on players? I only heard part of it though...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 13, 2015, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 12, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Payment of club managers is a cancer of our game, it is happening in every single county, probably across all divisions. £200 a session for top tier club in Derry and this was considered 'reasonable'. The manager feels like he has to train 3 nights a week and gets his money and feels vindicated by the stupid commitment asked for, in many instances before Christmas.

Brolly is right on this one.

£200 a night reasonable - they must have more money than sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2015, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 12, 2015, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.

I only heard a bit of that yesterday but was john Galvin not saying that Brolly was over-playing the amount of pressurethat's on players? I only heard part of it though...
Exactly. I was talking to a Slaughtneil man last week and he was talking about the amount of training sessions their dual players were having - and he said they loved it (as in it's the best thing they could be at).

I don't hear many players complaining about training. Most of the complaining is from the retired.

One of Joe's points was last year's All-Ireland final in terms of the state of the game. Does he remember the semis? Can he recall the litany of dour 'big games' in the 80s and 90s. The difference was we never complained - we were happy to see a game involving the best players representing your county.

Now we have a multitude of games on TV, all with their own analysts critiquing every move (Joe Brolly in 2005 criticised a Dublin defender with the line 'He has no place being on a county team'). We now have analysts telling us that the standard of games aren't good enough for the viewing public.

Joe Brolly is a mouthpiece, knowing the more controversy he can create the more functions he'll be invited to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 13, 2015, 12:33:45 AM
A mouthpeice for a lot of people who are 100% in agreement with him in terms of the arguments he's been making on this topic. Why don't you address the main thrust of his argument.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2015, 12:37:58 AM
Which is?

1) Burn out?
2) Outside managers?
3) Calendar?
4) State of the game?
5) Role of GPA?

- all points he has tried to cover in the last 7 days, as well as others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Clinker on January 13, 2015, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 12, 2015, 06:20:59 PM

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


That would mean 280 pounds a week minus petrol going into his own Club. (a big temptation Spy Film trap to trick another Club into thinking that the man had deserted his own people from Primary School but like in a film he'd just tricked the surrogate Club into financing their rivals who he in reality has never let down )

Does any Club complain about (after petrol) - 200 pounds a week coming into the Club from one of their own who ends up managing another Club or is it 'Just love of the game - as long as you don't meet us in the Final'
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 13, 2015, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: Clinker on January 13, 2015, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 12, 2015, 06:20:59 PM

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


That would mean 280 pounds a week minus petrol going into his own Club. (a big temptation Spy Film trap to trick another Club into thinking that the man had deserted his own people from Primary School but like in a film he'd just tricked the surrogate Club into financing their rivals who he in reality has never let down )

Does any Club complain about (after petrol) - 200 pounds a week coming into the Club from one of their own who ends up managing another Club or is it 'Just love of the game - as long as you don't meet us in the Final'

What are you on about? Money going back into his club?  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on January 13, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
I see on twitter some have started to call Joe on what is he going to do about it or what is the next step. Is he going to continue along this line all year by making noise on the issue or is he actually going to look at ways to change the current system and lead the way? 

His "opt for life" campaign certainly took on a way of its own when he started with it. But this matter is different as it will meet opposition and require a lot of change.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 13, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...
Like yourself I have never taken a penny for coaching and working at all levels in my club, but you are naive if you genuinely believe that Joe is making this up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 13, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 13, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...
Like yourself I have never taken a penny for coaching and working at all levels in my club, but you are naive if you genuinely believe that Joe is making this up.

+1

You can call Joe a mouth or whatever but he's not far away here. GAA have a few choices to make. They can pay lip service or can do something constructive.

When Joe went beserk about the Sean Cavanagh cynical play, the GAA weren't long in rushing through the black card.  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 13, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 13, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...
Like yourself I have never taken a penny for coaching and working at all levels in my club, but you are naive if you genuinely believe that Joe is making this up.

+1

You can call Joe a mouth or whatever but he's not far away here. GAA have a few choices to make. They can pay lip service or can do something constructive.

When Joe went beserk about the Sean Cavanagh cynical play, the GAA weren't long in rushing through the black card.  ;)

Jaysus, for the millionth time, the Black Card was already passed into rule when Cavanagh's rugby tackle against Monaghan was committed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on January 13, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Ban him..lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 13, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 13, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Ban him..lol

One of the biggest problems we have is fixture congestion. This was bad a decade or 2 ago but is much worse now. This is partly because of all the new competitions which have been introduced. Here in Ulster we have an Ulster Club minor competition which takes 5 or 6 weeks to run and an Ulster club u21 competition which runs for a similar length. These are prestigious for the clubs involved but clash badly with schools football, university football and county u21. One way to reduce the congestion would be to run these competitions either as a blitz or at least over one weekend like the Sigerson. It would still guve clubs the chance to compete at this level and win an Ulster club competition without dragging on for weeks. Forgot to mention there is also an Ulster club u16 competition which again runs for a few weeks. These are all relatively new.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2015, 08:49:09 PM
Ha, Managers don't get paid, any outside manager manging a club is getting paid, hell Junior clubs in Derry were paying outside men 15-20yrs ago, so if its at the level, its prevalent at all levels.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: big balla on January 13, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Some lads are in serious denial! At one stage in Cavan 8/9 years ago there were 5/6 outside managers from Fermanagh alone! Cavan Gaels have had Malachy O Rourke and Peter Canavan managing them in the last few years, were they doing it for free?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on January 13, 2015, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: big balla on January 13, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Some lads are in serious denial! At one stage in Cavan 8/9 years ago there were 5/6 outside managers from Fermanagh alone! Cavan Gaels have had Malachy O Rourke and Peter Canavan managing them in the last few years, were they doing it for free?

My club appointed a paid manager for the first time for season ahead. It was our only option. The players wouldn't accept anything less. Anyone we approached said No they couldn't commit to the time necessary, it's a MASSIVE commitment. The man we appointed took 3 weeks to get agreement from his wife and family. He WOILD have laughed at us had we not discussed expenses from the outset.

People who believe that there are managers out there who are not at least getting basic expenses are beyond naive!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 13, 2015, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 13, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 13, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Ban him..lol

One of the biggest problems we have is fixture congestion. This was bad a decade or 2 ago but is much worse now. This is partly because of all the new competitions which have been introduced. Here in Ulster we have an Ulster Club minor competition which takes 5 or 6 weeks to run and an Ulster club u21 competition which runs for a similar length. These are prestigious for the clubs involved but clash badly with schools football, university football and county u21. One way to reduce the congestion would be to run these competitions either as a blitz or at least over one weekend like the Sigerson. It would still guve clubs the chance to compete at this level and win an Ulster club competition without dragging on for weeks. Forgot to mention there is also an Ulster club u16 competition which again runs for a few weeks. These are all relatively new.

Ulster minor club is going not that far of 30 years now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LCohen on January 14, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2015, 12:14:19 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 12, 2015, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.

I only heard a bit of that yesterday but was john Galvin not saying that Brolly was over-playing the amount of pressurethat's on players? I only heard part of it though...
Exactly. I was talking to a Slaughtneil man last week and he was talking about the amount of training sessions their dual players were having - and he said they loved it (as in it's the best thing they could be at).

I don't hear many players complaining about training. Most of the complaining is from the retired.

One of Joe's points was last year's All-Ireland final in terms of the state of the game. Does he remember the semis? Can he recall the litany of dour 'big games' in the 80s and 90s. The difference was we never complained - we were happy to see a game involving the best players representing your county.

Now we have a multitude of games on TV, all with their own analysts critiquing every move (Joe Brolly in 2005 criticised a Dublin defender with the line 'He has no place being on a county team'). We now have analysts telling us that the standard of games aren't good enough for the viewing public.

Joe Brolly is a mouthpiece, knowing the more controversy he can create the more functions he'll be invited to.

No you don't but then you wouldn't expect to. Not when selection is at stake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LCohen on January 14, 2015, 10:19:49 AM
Another big lie to be unravelled is "player welfare".

One of the modern school of managers was notorious when managing a university side for withholding players from the club including championship games on the basis of "player welfare". I'm reliably informed that when he became a county manager guys were discouraged form playing for their third level colleges in the name of........, yes - player welfare. He is now a county minor manager. I wonder will club and school involvement be curtailied in the name of welfare?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on January 14, 2015, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: LCohen on January 14, 2015, 10:19:49 AM
Another big lie to be unravelled is "player welfare".

One of the modern school of managers was notorious when managing a university side for withholding players from the club including championship games on the basis of "player welfare". I'm reliably informed that when he became a county manager guys were discouraged form playing for their third level colleges in the name of........, yes - player welfare. He is now a county minor manager. I wonder will club and school involvement be curtailied in the name of welfare?

Now we are getting to the heart of all of this. Bottom line, managers are self serving. They only care about the team they manage. They present all sorts of bullsh*t as barriers and excuses why players must commit to them and that team only. Managers are th last people I would listen to when it comes to player welfare. The biggest joke of all is that GAA hierarchy constantly ask managers to communicate where they have players on 2+ teams. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Until such time as county club seasons are split, grades are reduced and some competitions scraped, we'll get egotistical managers hiding behind terms such as player welfare for their own gain.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 14, 2015, 11:10:11 AM
Received this yesterday from a fellow poster. Its time we start joining the dots to get to the bottom of the problem.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-coaches-must-realise-success-will-follow-if-player-comes-first-306633.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here... 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 14, 2015, 11:55:16 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here...

You sure your from Armagh and not Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 14, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ???   

Sounds like the opinion of someone who's no clue about how the GAA works at its roots

Do you think coaches in clubs who have a pride in their parish will be happy enough to coach youngsters and develop talent as best they can just so they can lose them to such a system?

I for one wouldn't be doing it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 14, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 14, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ???   

Sounds like the opinion of someone who's no clue about how the GAA works at its roots

Do you think coaches in clubs who have a pride in their parish will be happy enough to coach youngsters and develop talent as best they can just so they can lose them to such a system?

I for one wouldn't be doing it.

This happens in just about every other sport.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on January 14, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
The GAA is a different animal, tradition and all that.

Rugby is the most obvious comparison and their transition to the current professional format. Was a lot of talk about the impact on clubs and how they now struggle. Not sure what the finer detail on this is or if its remained the same.

But look at the pronvincal game and its very clear that the initial supporter levels have dropped off. Only last night Leinster where pushing very hard on social media to sell out the game this weekend in the RDS, tickets still widely available. Its very easy to be come detached from been part of a bigger body that a local one. Bandwagon, entertainment value, event junkies etc.

Also on any given day with a round of club fixtures on in my own county, I know you'll get as many attending those matches as you'd get in total is the county was playing bar a big championship match. The reality is that the championship in GAA attracts the crowds in the later stages but dilute the importance of these matches with more or irrelevant fixtures and the crowds will stay away until its meaningful. Taking club support out of this and you'll lose more people ie will people go to watch their clubs play or their county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on January 14, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here...

I don't say this lightly but you clearly have no idea what the GAA is all about!
Of course the county game is the icing on the cake, the profile, the lauded.. but what foundations is the county game based on? It sits on solid foundations ie: The clubs. Its the clubs that supply the players, the refs, the stewards, the coaches and the managers. Rugby works as it has an international dimension which can sustain the game and support the club/provincial structures. The GAA principles are based on community upwards - not the other way around!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 14, 2015, 01:27:48 PM
I think you detach the club and county player and you will also see a huge detachment between club and county fan.  In many cases pride in the club player who has made the county team is the draw to the game.  Its probably why you get flasely inflated crowds so early in the season because guys are being tried out anf their club men are there to cheer them on.  I also appreciate there are clubless county fans as well. 
Cream the county player off and I would bet crowds will drop throughout the year by my guess 50%. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on January 14, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here... 
I'd say the majority of county players would also think that this is a ridiculous statement too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on January 14, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 14, 2015, 01:27:48 PM
I think you detach the club and county player and you will also see a huge detachment between club and county fan.  In many cases pride in the club player who has made the county team is the draw to the game.  Its probably why you get flasely inflated crowds so early in the season because guys are being tried out anf their club men are there to cheer them on.  I also appreciate there are clubless county fans as well. 
Cream the county player off and I would bet crowds will drop throughout the year by my guess 50%.
Exactly,alot of the county loyalty stems from the club first and to separate the two would reduce the interest in the county game as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 14, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ???   

Sounds like the opinion of someone who's no clue about how the GAA works at its roots

Do you think coaches in clubs who have a pride in their parish will be happy enough to coach youngsters and develop talent as best they can just so they can lose them to such a system?

I for one wouldn't be doing it.
Firstly I have worked all my life at no cost in those self same roots. I put forward those thoughts as a wider perspective on the issue of player management and how I believe it could be addressed in line with most other sports in the world. I didn't expect people to be happy or to agree with my opinion and if you have alternatives that satisfy TV sponsors etc... lets hear them. Oh and don't judge where people may be from or their lack of understanding or otherwise of the GAA on the basis of your own narrow view.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Fcuk me does nobody read and analyze posts before attacking posters? This was an opinion for discussion, hence the question mark where I referred to a County players involvement with the club. We have to get real here. Sponsors TV etc need product. If the GAA doesn't supply it then someone else will. I agree with 90% of what Joe Brolly is saying regarding the pressures on players. If I'm wrong how would you square the circle of commerce, club and county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on January 14, 2015, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Fcuk me does nobody read and analyze posts before attacking posters? This was an opinion for discussion, hence the question mark where I referred to a County players involvement with the club. We have to get real here. Sponsors TV etc need product. If the GAA doesn't supply it then someone else will. I agree with 90% of what Joe Brolly is saying regarding the pressures on players. If I'm wrong how would you square the circle of commerce, club and county?

I agree with you that that is what the TV stations would prefer but I don't think that's what would be best for the GAA. Making money shouldn't be the goal (although at times it looks like it's going that way)

In all the chat from brolly and others, the main point for me is being missed - the lack of a definite calendar for the club (and by extension, county) season
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on January 14, 2015, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here...

Applesisapples
How would you propose we finance this semi or fully professional setup.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
There are barely 60 rugby clubs in the country

It is not a good comparison
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 15, 2015, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Bazil Douglas on January 14, 2015, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here...
Where did I say it was professional? I was simply addressing the issue of players having too many demands put on them, it was some thoughts not a set in stone ideology, but there are competing pressures here.

Applesisapples
How would you propose we finance this semi or fully professional setup.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Moortown Spuds on January 15, 2015, 09:43:11 AM
Scrap the county. I only want to go to Dublin if there's a Garth Brooks concert on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
There are barely 60 rugby clubs in the country

It is not a good comparison

60 Rugby Clubs? Not sure about that. Unless you mean 60 rugby clubs in the AIL.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 04:46:57 PM
This is bizarre. Is Joe just embellishing?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/county-player-suspected-of-leaking-info-to-joe-brolly-victimised-in-training-30910317.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/county-player-suspected-of-leaking-info-to-joe-brolly-victimised-in-training-30910317.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 15, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
Unfortunately for the lad he might get hit twice as hard, twice as late this week. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 15, 2015, 04:53:37 PM
Unfortunately for the lad he might get hit twice as hard, twice as late this week.

It also means the 'suspect' is now confirmed :D But surely this is not happening?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
I haven't read it but the GL tweet says 'Wrongly':

Gaelic Life ‏@Gaelic_Life  4h4 hours ago
Joe Brolly: One player who was wrongly suspected of giving me inside information was targeted for special treatment. All in today's GL. #GAA

So apparently they've got the wrong man!?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 05:13:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
I haven't read it but the GL tweet says 'Wrongly':

Gaelic Life ‏@Gaelic_Life  4h4 hours ago
Joe Brolly: One player who was wrongly suspected of giving me inside information was targeted for special treatment. All in today's GL. #GAA

So apparently they've got the wrong man!?

But he must have told him he was getting the treatment, so he gave information about getting targetted :D So even if he was the wrong man, now he's the right man! It sounds like Raméis to me though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 15, 2015, 06:33:57 PM
Leak claims he is bullied at training - but denies he is the leak!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 15, 2015, 06:35:42 PM

Lol. Guess joe just hung his source. Not for the first time either...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 15, 2015, 07:09:47 PM
Its well seeing Jimmys winnin watches isnt involved.  The lad might have been thrown over a cliff.
Whoever made the chilling statement "The only good mole is in a hole"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on January 15, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
It'd shocking this poor player forced to train and take beatings. Why can't the GAA be voluntary?? Its so cruel
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on January 15, 2015, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 15, 2015, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Bazil Douglas on January 14, 2015, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
It is time the GAA and all of us who support it accept that there are 2 products each in Football and Hurling, Club and County. 8000+ at a McKenna cup game! There is a demand for county product which is greater than for the club, the county game is also more attractive to punters and TV alike. Reducing or compacting the county season will reduce revenues so is not going to happen. The future is a Rugby type situation where players recruited in to County Squads are no longer available to clubs except perhaps for Championship but even then ??? I know clubs won't like this but it is the way in other sports and GAA has gone far beyond those halcyon days when men were men and the majority of counties average 2 games a season. If this is not embraced then the GAA and ultimately all of us at club level will be the losers. Over use of players is nothing new Clubs were doing it long before the county got involved. In my day there were a couple of starlets playing U16, Minor, U21 Senior and B football. That has changed significantly if not completely eradicated. Any player worth his salt would aspire to County. I have seen my fair share of Countymen on Intermediate and Junior teams going through the motions in Division 2 and 3 league games... Just a thought, before I get lit on by the Club stalwarts on here...
Where did I say it was professional? I was simply addressing the issue of players having too many demands put on them, it was some thoughts not a set in stone ideology, but there are competing pressures here.

Applesisapples
How would you propose we finance this semi or fully professional setup.

Sorry I obviously misread your post, thought you meant like semi professional rugby scenario, but I cant see clubs letting the county take the cream of their talent without some form of compensation for not being allowed to play for them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 15, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
"Joe Brolly Ate My Hamster" By Joe Brolly in tomorrow's Daily Brolly #joebrolly @joebrolly.com

Joe Brolly = Perez Hilton, hi.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 15, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
There are barely 60 rugby clubs in the country

It is not a good comparison

60 Rugby Clubs? Not sure about that. Unless you mean 60 rugby clubs in the AIL.

There are 51 Junior clubs in Munster alone!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 16, 2015, 12:19:18 AM
Clue. It's not Kevin Dyas.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kevin-dyas-kieran-mcgeeney-not-flogging-armagh-307074.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 16, 2015, 12:19:18 AM
Clue. It's not Kevin Dyas.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kevin-dyas-kieran-mcgeeney-not-flogging-armagh-307074.html

Double bluff lads, double bluff.  Dyas was told that if he doesn't give a full blooded denial of the antics of Herrs Geezer and McKeever he was going to have to go in for a 5 minute MMA tag team bout against the 2 of them and he would have no partner to tag in. 

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on January 16, 2015, 02:08:09 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 16, 2015, 12:19:18 AM
Clue. It's not Kevin Dyas.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kevin-dyas-kieran-mcgeeney-not-flogging-armagh-307074.html

Double bluff lads, double bluff.  Dyas was told that if he doesn't give a full blooded denial of the antics of Herrs Geezer and McKeever he was going to have to go in for a 5 minute MMA tag team bout against the 2 of them and he would have no partner to tag in. 

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
I'd suggest you read an article in the Irish News which directly quotes your fellow club man TK which rubbishes Joe's hyperbole on the subject.  The amount of lies being peddled by some on this subject is total amazing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 16, 2015, 02:08:09 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 16, 2015, 12:19:18 AM
Clue. It's not Kevin Dyas.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kevin-dyas-kieran-mcgeeney-not-flogging-armagh-307074.html

Double bluff lads, double bluff.  Dyas was told that if he doesn't give a full blooded denial of the antics of Herrs Geezer and McKeever he was going to have to go in for a 5 minute MMA tag team bout against the 2 of them and he would have no partner to tag in. 

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
I'd suggest you read an article in the Irish News which directly quotes your fellow club man TK which rubbishes Joe's hyperbole on the subject.  The amount of lies being peddled by some on this subject is total amazing.

And I suggest you settle the chops and don't take things too seriously!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on January 16, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
I'm quite relaxed thanks. Just glad to see Heaney and Brolly being called for the spoofers they are. It hopefully silences the 6.30 training sessions rumours also.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2015, 03:14:05 PM
Fair enough that settles training-gate and we can all get back to living our own inconsequential lives!!!
Title: A counties shame - Snoregate
Post by: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day. 
Title: Re: A counties shame - Snoregate
Post by: rionach 4 on January 16, 2015, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.
Hence : you get the name of an early riser you can lie to dinnertime.
Title: Re: A counties shame - Snoregate
Post by: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2015, 11:37:14 PM
He seems to have lost the plot totally. It's all about the attention and it's blatantly obvious he just makes things up which takes away from some good points he actually makes. I don't believe that Armagh have been doing group training in the morning or the quotes from cross players.

I do think that the entire gaa season needs looked at. I would probably shorten the county season a bit but not too much. It really is needed to keep the gaa in the headlines and there is no doubt rugby is currently benefiting enough from its love affair with the media.

But during the season a more even spread is needed between club and county. I'd love to see a situation where county players trained county one week played that week with them, trained club the next and played with them and no game in the third week or some kind of break built in. With a season running from march to October and regular games with less training.

A rule would be built in that only 11 or 12 starters in the county games had played for the majority of the club game previously meaning there is no crap with players being banned from club games. I'd love to see some real thought put into the competitions at both club and county level.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
Keep the gaa in the headlines.  We are working a ridiculous timetable to keep in the headlines. Our logic is mad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2015, 11:49:56 PM
Joe's looking for a Sky job and a chance to meet Rachel.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
Keep the gaa in the headlines.  We are working a ridiculous timetable to keep in the headlines. Our logic is mad.

Aye, but we're making headlines in January, talking about keeping in the headlines in July. Crazy like a fox.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orange on January 17, 2015, 09:18:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
Keep the gaa in the headlines.  We are working a ridiculous timetable to keep in the headlines. Our logic is mad.

Aye, but we're making headlines in January, talking about keeping in the headlines in July. Crazy like a fox.
Anyone see Brogan on late late last night? He basically said that Dubs train at 6am and it's basically a fulltime job!! Dont see Joe making an example of Jim Gavin and Dubs as he believes they play good football so that justifies it! And its the Dubs that are padding out his wallet!
Also in Joes time Colemans training sessions are legenDERRY, know lads from that era and they would say they were cruel and they were training 3/4 times during week and game on Sunday! Joe just likes sound of his own voice!!
Title: Re: A counties shame - Snoregate
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.

That's right the GAA began in 2003! We're cleaning up at club and school level so we're doing not so bad. Club first. Maybe you Tyrone men don't understand the true GAA ethos.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2015, 09:56:43 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/playing-football-is-an-addiction-longfords-barden-30914606.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/playing-football-is-an-addiction-longfords-barden-30914606.html)

Still, the demanding lifestyle is something he considers well worth pursuing, even if it hasn't taken him onto many title podiums.

"I play the game because I enjoy it. Isn't that what it's all about?"

Paul Barden
Title: Re: A counties shame - Snoregate
Post by: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.

That's right the GAA began in 2003! We're cleaning up at club and school level so we're doing not so bad. Club first. Maybe you Tyrone men don't understand the true GAA ethos.

That's an original comment to make - well done Walt! Maybe it's concentrating on football when you should be concentrating on the school work is the problem with the careers of the Derry wans when they grow up!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.

That's right the GAA began in 2003! We're cleaning up at club and school level so we're doing not so bad. Club first. Maybe you Tyrone men don't understand the true GAA ethos.

That's an original comment to make - well done Walt! Maybe it's concentrating on football when you should be concentrating on the school work is the problem with the careers of the Derry wans when they grow up!

Ahh Brendan good to hear from you. Perhaps if you worked harder at school you wouldn't have had to head over the water to earn a crust.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.

That's right the GAA began in 2003! We're cleaning up at club and school level so we're doing not so bad. Club first. Maybe you Tyrone men don't understand the true GAA ethos.

That's an original comment to make - well done Walt! Maybe it's concentrating on football when you should be concentrating on the school work is the problem with the careers of the Derry wans when they grow up!

Ahh Brendan good to hear from you. Perhaps if you worked harder at school you wouldn't have had to head over the water to earn a crust.

;D Yep, Us thickos moved over the water to leave you intelligent lads to look after the country! Yis are doing a great job!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 18, 2015, 10:31:09 PM
Joe's latest article (http://waitingtolaunch.com/joe-brolly-on-broadcasting/), on the competitive arms race in the GAA, has some hits and misses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 19, 2015, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 17, 2015, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Rodman on January 16, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 16, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
The big lesson learned after all this is that no one in Armagh like to get out of their beds in the morning.  Not only that, but when Joe had insisted they got up early they denied it to the hilt and called him all the names of the day.

Maybe Joe is thinking that if he can get all the county teams to train less and concentrate on their careers instead, then Derry might become more competitive and win something - well it is 17 years since they have won anything of note so worth a go I suppose.

That's right the GAA began in 2003! We're cleaning up at club and school level so we're doing not so bad. Club first. Maybe you Tyrone men don't understand the true GAA ethos.

That's an original comment to make - well done Walt! Maybe it's concentrating on football when you should be concentrating on the school work is the problem with the careers of the Derry wans when they grow up!

Ahh Brendan good to hear from you. Perhaps if you worked harder at school you wouldn't have had to head over the water to earn a crust.

;D Yep, Us thickos moved over the water to leave you intelligent lads to look after the country! Yis are doing a great job!
some of us are doing ok !
had to hire a gang of lads there recently - was between some tyronies and phillipinos.
chose the phillipinos - they might have cost a wee bit more but at least you could understand what they were saying and they were more presentable too!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 19, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 18, 2015, 10:31:09 PM
Joe's latest article (http://waitingtolaunch.com/joe-brolly-on-broadcasting/), on the competitive arms race in the GAA, has some hits and misses.

"As with just about everything Joe has ever said about this deal, this is spectacularly wrong. Broadcasting rights have always been negotiated by a small team and have never required approval by Congress."

thats all well in good for any negotiations in the past re championship football, but this deal meant those producing the game, ie the gaels of Ireland would now have to pay for the privilege of watching their product. To this end, this proposal would should have went before congress.

And before I'm lambasted, having played and help run teams overseas, I'm all for promoting the game, but not at the expense of the afore mentioned people losing out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 19, 2015, 06:33:06 PM
GAA people outside of Ireland (we're still Gaels) have been paying to watch the game for years, and in North America we're still doing so. What's so special about GAA fans in Ireland that they have to be given priority over those outside the country?

In any case you had to pay to watch the product for years by going to the match because only about six games a year were on TV. When did you become entitled to see everything free of charge without getting off the couch? Are you one of these people who climbed over the wall to avoid paying at the turnstile?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StephenC on January 19, 2015, 11:12:20 PM
EAMON McGee admits to being baffled — and annoyed — by it all.
Over the past few weeks, the debate in the GAA — partly driven by Joe Brolly — has been about supposedly unsustainable demands on players.
We're told again and again that players are forced to live sterile lives, that they endure rather than enjoy Gaelic football.
McGee has been around the block. He started out with Donegal in 2003 and turns 31 in April.
And he doesn't recognise the picture of the game that's being painted.
"It really frustrates me to be reading this craic,'' he said.
"I got really, really mad reading Joe Brolly's article saying we're under pressure and we're slaves and all that.
"I have never been in a dressing-room where the door was locked. I could always leave.
"I'm sure if it was affecting my life to such a degree, I could just walk away. Nobody's keeping players there.
"I've heard former players saying 'it affected me, I wasted three years of my life' and all this kind of stuff.
"If you want to have the craic, play reserve football.
"If you want to take it a wee bit seriously, play senior football.
"If you're in there to win and willing to make the sacrifices, go up to county level.
"County players could be looked after a bit better in terms of education.
"There is definitely stuff to work on, and the GPA are doing good work there.
"But I enjoy it. I get up for the gym in the morning and I enjoy it.
"I have the craic with the lads when we meet up.
"I just find it ridiculous. Joe Brolly's banging on about the pressures on the modern footballer and he's the man who called out Sean Cavanagh live on TV saying he's not a man, that he wouldn't have a pint with him or whatever.
"He made a personal attack on Rory Kavanagh as well, and Rory had to go into school and teach kids the following day."
A few years back on The Sunday Game, Brolly declared that "watching Rory Kavanagh go on solo runs must be one of the most depressing sights in Irish life."
So McGee finds Brolly's current stance hard to take.
"This is the same boy now that's giving out about f**king pressures on inter-county footballers,'' he said.
"And he says too that it's win it all costs and that this is ruining the game.
"But that's not exclusive to Gaelic football. That's in all sports.
"Children are brought up to win at all costs. That's a societal problem."
McGee will start against Fermanagh in the McKenna Cup today at Ballyshannon.
A bitterly cold winter Sunday is a far cry from his last outing with the county — September's All-Ireland final.
But McGee maintains that it still has an appeal — as does working with new Donegal manager Rory Gallagher.
"I f**king hate January but there's still a bit of buzz about it,'' he said.
"I remember this time last year and we were doing a bit of dogging in training.
"Karl Lacey just emptied himself on one of the runs and then stepped up to lead the run out again.
"That kind of stuff is really inspiring and drives you on.
"Those are the moments that you get a wile buzz from.
"Rory can't sell Jim's product, Rory has to sell his own game-plan, his own vision.
"You get these coaches at club level and they try and copy Jim McGuinness's plan and they can't sell it properly.
"Rory has to make his own mark.
"There is stuff that we're good at and we'll try and hold on to, but Rory will be putting his own stamp on Donegal.
"After we won the All-Ireland, I said an important part of it was the triangle of Jim, Rory and Michael Murphy as captain.
"Rory is just very knowledgeable. He doesn't bluff you. He calls a spade a spade.
"He knows his stuff and you respect him."
McGee makes it clear, though, that he wouldn't still be around if he'd pocketed a second All-Ireland medal last September.
"Definitely. That was the plan. Walk away and try and won something with the club,'' he said.
"But the fact that we lost made it harder to walk away from it.
"A lot of the older players talked about whether we'd go back.
"It was very, very important who Donegal appointed as manager.
"Because Rory came in, he definitely staved off a lot of retirements that would have come down the line."
In the final defeat to Kerry, McGee marked Kieran Donaghy and it nags at him that the full-forward had such a big impact on the game.
"I'm still disappointed that he was so influential,'' he said.
"I'm not being cocky here or anything but I would have set myself high standards throughout the year.
"I felt that, in the majority of games, I lived up to those standards.
"In the All-Ireland final, Kieran got the better of me so I was disappointed coming off it.
"The winners are up there. They're in the media, they're being interviewed and there's just constant reminders of what happened.
"You're thinking 'maybe if we'd done something different'...it's difficult to take but we're not going to go home and hide under the sheets.
"We're big boys now. We have to be fit to take it. That's part of sport too."
Young players like Ryan McHugh, Darach O'Connor and Odhran MacNiallais played a big part in Donegal's resurgence in 2014.
And McGee expects them to become even more influential.
"Paddy McBrearty is another. People think he's been around for ever but he's still only 21,'' he said.
"They did wonders last year and we'll be expecting a bit more from them this year.
"I know Odhran well and he has the ability to push on further.
"I watched him in the McKenna Cup game and I'm convinced he'll be the best Gaoth Dobhair player to play for the club and for the county.
"I don't want to give him the kiss of death!
"But he has the ability and, if he puts the hard work in, that's what he's capable of."

SIDEBAR
ON THURSDAY morning, Eamon McGee and Neil Gallagher headed for breakfast with Rory Kavanagh in Letterkenny.
They met to mark the retirement of Kavanagh — the first of Donegal's 2012 All-Ireland winning side to walk away.
"It's very, very sad for the older lads,'' he said.
"There was a group there — Rory, myself, Christy Toye, big Neil Gallagher, Colm McFadden...we would have been the tracksuit ravers!
"We were the boys who were knocking about the Grill (Letterkenny nightclub) back in the day.
"We'd have been in there after any oul' League game.
"Then we were winning Ulsters, winning an All-Ireland...and there's a close bond between all of those lads.
"Rory's the first to go, so it's sad.
"When it's someone that you started out with at senior level that retires, it hits home.
"It's hard to put Rory's contribution into words.
"I tweeted that he was one of the best, and that wasn't an off-the-cuff remark because he's retired.
"I watched a lot of the club championship games and he was the stand-out performer for Eunan's.
"He's in good shape, physically, but he feels himself that he's put the shift in.
"He owes Donegal football nothing.
"A lot of the boys tried to talk him out of it but he had his mind made up from some time last year.
"Rory has to do what's best for Rory."

SIDEBAR TWO
DONEGAL enjoyed unprecedented success under Jim McGuinness, winning three Ulster titles and an All-Ireland.
But they also endured four of the toughest defeats in the county's history.
In the 2011 All-Ireland semi-final, it seemed as if eventual champions Dublin were there for the taking.
Donegal crashed to Monaghan in 2013, when they were chasing an historic hat-trick of Ulster titles.
That was followed by a humiliating 16 point thrashing by Mayo in Croke Park.
And last September's loss to Kerry was particularly tough, given how well Donegal had played against Dublin in the semi-final.
"The Dublin game in 2011 was one we definitely feel we let away from ourselves,'' said McGee.
"And if we'd pushed on a wee bit, we could have won.
"Losing to Monaghan and Mayo was just so disappointing.
"To go from the level we were at...we'd f**king gone a long way back.
"The Kerry defeat was the toughest to take.
"Kerry were the better team on the day but we just never got up to the level we reached against Dublin.
"It's something we have to live with.
"They were tough defeats, but the highs did outweigh the lows."

https://medium.com/@KCsixtyseven/eamon-mcgee-on-brolly-27968cc5ed35
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 19, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
Good interview that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 20, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 19, 2015, 06:33:06 PM
GAA people outside of Ireland (we're still Gaels) have been paying to watch the game for years, and in North America we're still doing so. What's so special about GAA fans in Ireland that they have to be given priority over those outside the country?

In any case you had to pay to watch the product for years by going to the match because only about six games a year were on TV. When did you become entitled to see everything free of charge without getting off the couch? Are you one of these people who climbed over the wall to avoid paying at the turnstile?

ah ha, the default assumption! If we're making assumptions, I'd be fairly confident that most on this GAA forum board are fairly involved in club and county.

You think that the GAA family in Ireland (who 100% produce the games you want to watch )should not have all televised games free to air, I think we should.  What difference does it make if only 2/3/4/5/6 championship matches were shown for years, people wanted more, and low and behold they got more.  I'll leave it at that, this is a well worn road at this stage, and well, in your mind, you're right and those with a differing opinion are 'spectacularly wrong'.

PS: For some context, I'm all for the promotion of our games, I lived abroad for many years, played, trained, coached and sold tickets blah blah blah  for several teams in different countries, formed a uni team and paid to watch countless matches on TV in pubs and clubs. Sell the TV rights to whoever, promote the games as far and wide as possible,  but leave the matches free to air in the country of production




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on January 20, 2015, 10:27:38 AM
Very good interview to be fair. Not the usual aul cliche rubbish we're used to reading about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2015, 11:33:43 PM
Well done Eamon McGee.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 21, 2015, 06:57:47 AM
No backdoors with Mc Gee.  a Tough honesty about him..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 21, 2015, 08:07:52 AM
They go dogging in training  :o

Very good interview. You can kind of see with what he says there's a bit of an irony in what Joe Brolly says about the pressures in intercounty football when he's one of the ones putting the pressure on them by making ridiculous statements like about Sean Cavanagh and Rory Kavanagh.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on January 21, 2015, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 21, 2015, 08:07:52 AM
They go dogging in training  :o

Very good interview. You can kind of see with what he says there's a bit of an irony in what Joe Brolly says about the pressures in intercounty football when he's one of the ones putting the pressure on them by making ridiculous statements like about Sean Cavanagh and Rory Kavanagh.

Ironic indeed. Whilst I agree with Brolly in certain points he makes, his ancedotes are usually a 'I heard, he said, she said' rubbish.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on January 21, 2015, 02:14:40 PM
you gotta love Brian Cody and his perspective on winning and the bould Joe's indentured slave comments;

From ;
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/jod-brolly-blast-missed-the-point-says-brian-cody-308134.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/jod-brolly-blast-missed-the-point-says-brian-cody-308134.html)





Cody gave an insight into the ruthless attitude he likes to see in his players.

"What I kind of love, the whole spirit of the thing, when you know that you're going out on that field and there's nobody, nobody going to outfight you. There's no other team around that can say 'I'm going to work harder than this crowd' because you developed that kind of spirit that can't be broken. It's a fabulous thing.

"People say going out in a match that 'we're prepared to die to win this game' but that's a dangerous thing to say. You should never say you're prepared to die to win. You should always be prepared to kill to win a game. That's the difference."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on January 21, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
https://t.co/ewWixNhnID
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 22, 2015, 07:38:04 AM
I'd say just the effort wasn't the same.  Counties have their natural level or ceiling often inadvertently self imposed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on January 22, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
So to sum up:

Playing, and training for, Gaelic football and hurling is great craic and really enjoyable.

Until I get too old, or have had too many injuries to continue to play at a high, or any, level, or it becomes less enjoyable and starts to seem like a chore.

Then I'll quit and do something else in my spare time.

Sin e.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on January 22, 2015, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 22, 2015, 07:38:04 AM
I'd say just the effort wasn't the same.  Counties have their natural level or ceiling often inadvertently self imposed.

I wouldn't go as far as that.

Paddy himself may have been as committed as any footballer from Kerry or Dublin, but maybe there just wasn't the same number of committed or talented individuals within the squad to compete.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 24, 2015, 12:11:58 AM
Agreed. Joe is right on this and will give it more publicity than anything else.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 24, 2015, 01:16:36 AM
If Jim McGuinness hadn't appeared does anyone think McGee would have given the same interview?

Very interesting to get Keenan's insight or insights of players not playing the big matches and challenging for trophies as they make up then majority of inter county players. Its well and good having McGee, Brogan, Cavanagh, Jordan refuting Brolly but these lads have had a level of success that makes it worthwhile... What about the majority who haven't?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 28, 2015, 05:02:32 AM
Kieran McGeeney says player burnout and excessive training is overstated (http://waitingtolaunch.com/gaa-player-burnout-overstated/). Says they're not pushed as hard as is made out, and plenty of people in other amateur sports put themselves through harsher training regimens that take up far more time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on January 28, 2015, 07:32:16 AM
He is mostly right. Lot of this still has roots in the elite athlete stuff that gpa tried to push on us to get grants/ paid
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 30, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
Joe wins again. There was never any doubt in it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/leftfield/we-had-a-scrap-joe-brolly-and-kieran-donaghy-are-friends-again-30951603.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on February 06, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
Joe for President

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/joe-brolly-dubious-about-presidency-311045.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on March 08, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
Joe has a new vehicle

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-disease-has-spread-ulster-teams-are-playing-with-a-minimum-of-13-players-behind-the-halfway-line-31049373.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on March 09, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 06, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
Joe for President

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/joe-brolly-dubious-about-presidency-311045.html
Whilst there is plenty I wouldnt agree with in that Joe says.  He would soon shake the GAA apple tree to some tune if he became president and the association longterm  would be the better for it. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 09, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 06, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
Joe for President

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/joe-brolly-dubious-about-presidency-311045.html
Whilst there is plenty I wouldnt agree with in that Joe says.  He would soon shake the GAA apple tree to some tune if he became president and the association longterm  would be the better for it.

There would be giant picture of Joe in every ground, speaking to us, telling us all to 'houl' on, houl' on' all the time. It would be like 1984, except we would have to call it 1993.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 10, 2015, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/

Very poignant and Joe at his best.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mb80b60 on March 10, 2015, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 10, 2015, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/

Very poignant and Joe at his best.

You may disagree with Joe's views but he is a fantastic writer.  Heartbreaking story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 10, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
Beautiful from Joe, a marvelous man at heart
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2015, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 10, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
Beautiful from Joe, a marvelous man at heart
He's a real decent skin and a credit to the GAA family.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on March 10, 2015, 08:26:37 PM
John Joe O Neill citizen of the world. Class.No one writes like Joe can. Love him or hate him - but you won't ignore him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 10, 2015, 11:02:32 PM
Joe like everyone else has his good points and bad but when it comes to things like this you can't deny he is a class act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on March 10, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
Brolly wears his heart on his sleeve and isnt afraid to state his opinion. Yes he gets it wrong sometimes but at the core of everything he says and does I think he always has the intention of doing good or highlighting wrong doings. I'd have huge admiration for anyone brave enough to behave in that manner.

I was in Celtic Park on Sunday with my 9 year old daughter, Brolly was sitting a couple of rows in front of us and Martin McGuinness just in front of that. Throughout the game kids (some not so young which I thought was a bit wierd) kept approaching him and asking for a picture. Even my 9 year old knew who he was and he obliged her with a selfie too. He had time to speak to everyone and still  not let it interrupt the game for him. Poor auld Martin might as well have stayed at home.....he never got a look in! I think he's a decent individual but I can understand why some people get rubbed up the wrong way by him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Feckitt on March 11, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/

Very few journalists can put something like that together
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on March 11, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
That's the problem with Brolly, he's not a bollix so why does he play that part on RTE?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on March 11, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
So many people seem to fall into this trap.
i.e. you must either be a goodie or a baddie but not both.
Joe like most of us has good points and bad.
Unlike most he's got balls and puts himself out there to be praised or ridiculed.
The stuff he does with the health issues are amazing stories.
Some and I mean Some of what he spouts on RTE etc is to feed his own ego and to be sensationalist in my opinion. Loves to be controversial and learnt ages ago that being a yes man on TV gets you nowhere.
I agree a lot with what he says but if he was a county manager he would be totally different.
Easier to take that high horse view when taking underage teams or have young kids yourself like I do.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2015, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 11, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
That's the problem with Brolly, he's not a bollix so why does he play that part on RTE?
Because it's 2 straight faces and a bollix. That is the model and the viewers like it.
It's only gaelic football- nobody dies. Modern day circus.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: larryin89 on March 14, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 11, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/

Very few journalists can put something like that together

Teary eyed here after reading that.

Just to add to that, travelling down to the game with my 12 year old son and I gave it to him to read , I told  him it was sad before I gave it to him. " that was sad , did Joe brolly write that, he's very good at writing, I could visualise that all the way through from start to finish"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Old yeller on March 14, 2015, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 14, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 11, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 10, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
A powerful and poignant piece from Joe.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/joe-brolly-my-god-my-god-why-have-you-forsaken-me/

Very few journalists can put something like that together

Teary eyed here after reading that.

Just to add to that, travelling down to the game with my 12 year old son and I gave it to him to read , I told  him it was sad before I gave it to him. " that was sad , did Joe brolly write that, he's very good at writing, I could visualise that all the way through from start to finish"
Thats good to know
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 10, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
Beautiful from Joe, a marvelous man at heart
It was as elegant as one of those kisses he blew to the crowd on occasion.
And he writes much better than he pundits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Quite frankly, it (that so called accurate and insightful critique) is condescending bull.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on March 14, 2015, 11:46:03 PM
In what way is it condescending?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 15, 2015, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 14, 2015, 11:46:03 PM
In what way is it condescending?
That critique of Brolly's journalism is condescending bull, making out that those who appreciate his journalism  or even some of his journalism, are gullible idiots.

"I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 15, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
He's a sensationalist bollix, with a heart of gold. :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on March 15, 2015, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 15, 2015, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 14, 2015, 11:46:03 PM
In what way is it condescending?
That critique of Brolly's journalism is condescending bull, making out that those who appreciate his journalism  or even some of his journalism, are gullible idiots.

"I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar".

Get you now. Thought you meant Joe. Thought it was a very moving tribute to a young gael the same age as my son. Makes you count your blessings.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 15, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 15, 2015, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 15, 2015, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 14, 2015, 11:46:03 PM
In what way is it condescending?
That critique of Brolly's journalism is condescending bull, making out that those who appreciate his journalism  or even some of his journalism, are gullible idiots.

"I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar".

Get you now. Thought you meant Joe. Thought it was a very moving tribute to a young gael the same age as my son. Makes you count your blessings.
I have edited that reply just to make sure the foolhardy amongst us don't  think I was indulging in whimsical horsedung. ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Quite frankly, it (that so called accurate and insightful critique) is condescending bull.

Joe's article last week was heart rending and emotional. He's a beautiful writer as I say. If he'd confine himself to this type of insight into the Association and our culture he has an amazing ability to capture feelings with words.

However, his opinions on the game, the evolution of tactics, coaching, performance, preparation, etc are made up as he goes along, depending who he has chatted to any particular week. His personal attacks on players and managers along with his selective eulogising of others are whimsical and ill informed frequently and almost without exception horsehit. The problem is that because he writes so well on other areas of life and so many people see his very golden heart through all of this, people accept the other nonsense from him must also be true.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on March 16, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Quite frankly, it (that so called accurate and insightful critique) is condescending bull.

Joe's article last week was heart rending and emotional. He's a beautiful writer as I say. If he'd confine himself to this type of insight into the Association and our culture he has an amazing ability to capture feelings with words.

However, his opinions on the game, the evolution of tactics, coaching, performance, preparation, etc are made up as he goes along, depending who he has chatted to any particular week. His personal attacks on players and managers along with his selective eulogising of others are whimsical and ill informed frequently and almost without exception horsehit. The problem is that because he writes so well on other areas of life and so many people see his very golden heart through all of this, people accept the other nonsense from him must also be true.

Nope... yes he's gotten it wrong a few times but he's dead right about the state of our game and the ridiculous demands placed on our players. Sometimes the way he goes about things is wrong but his views on the above are bang on!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 12:15:33 PM

Says you. We have differing opinions on the matter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 16, 2015, 01:02:48 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Quite frankly, it (that so called accurate and insightful critique) is condescending bull.
Joe's article last week was heart rending and emotional. He's a beautiful writer as I say. If he'd confine himself to this type of insight into the Association and our culture he has an amazing ability to capture feelings with words.

However, his opinions on the game, the evolution of tactics, coaching, performance, preparation, etc are made up as he goes along, depending who he has chatted to any particular week. His personal attacks on players and managers along with his selective eulogising of others are whimsical and ill informed frequently and almost without exception horsehit. The problem is that because he writes so well on other areas of life and so many people see his very golden heart through all of this, people accept the other nonsense from him must also be true.
Here you have explained your opinion, reducing the condescension factor.
Around here, what's the opinion about Joe's GAA journalism? do you think the masses around here are duped by Joe's golden heart journalism  into agreeing with him on GAA matters?
I'd say most here still have varying  disagreeable opinions about Joe's GAA opinions, but his other articles just help us to put a wider context on the human being that is Joe, and not just perceive him as a cheap and nasty, insecure,  sh*t stirrer.
The greatest image the masses of Irish people have of Joe is from the tv punditry and there he can be can be seen, warts and all, stripped to bone,  baring his particular psychosis. I very much doubt that those people who agree with Joe's GAA journalism or Joe's GAA punditry  are duped into agreeing with him by the bottomless warmth of his penny candle moments of journalism.
Most probably, those who agree with Joe, agree with him because that type of stuff makes sense to them.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 01:11:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2015, 01:02:48 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 16, 2015, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 14, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sheamy on March 14, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2015, 12:09:10 AM

I like Joe's style of writing and colour. However,  on examination, his articles are almost without exception whimsical horseshit. Of course, because he moulds his views so eloquently to appear logical,  the masses generally nod their heads at the wonder of Joe's wig and grammar.

After the emotion and everything else has passed, this is probably the most insightful and accurate critique I've seen to date. Nailed it. Up da masses.
Quite frankly, it (that so called accurate and insightful critique) is condescending bull.
Joe's article last week was heart rending and emotional. He's a beautiful writer as I say. If he'd confine himself to this type of insight into the Association and our culture he has an amazing ability to capture feelings with words.

However, his opinions on the game, the evolution of tactics, coaching, performance, preparation, etc are made up as he goes along, depending who he has chatted to any particular week. His personal attacks on players and managers along with his selective eulogising of others are whimsical and ill informed frequently and almost without exception horsehit. The problem is that because he writes so well on other areas of life and so many people see his very golden heart through all of this, people accept the other nonsense from him must also be true.
Here you have explained your opinion, reducing the condescension factor.
Around here, what's the opinion about Joe's GAA journalism? do you think the masses around here are duped by Joe's golden heart journalism  into agreeing with him on GAA matters?
I'd say most here still have varying  disagreeable opinions about Joe's GAA opinions, but his other articles just help us to put a wider context on the human being that is Joe, and not just perceive him as a cheap and nasty, insecure,  sh*t stirrer.
The greatest image the masses of Irish people have of Joe is from the tv punditry and there he can be can be seen, warts and all, stripped to bone,  baring his particular psychosis. I very much doubt that those people who agree with Joe's GAA journalism or Joe's GAA punditry  are duped into agreeing with him by the bottomless warmth of his penny candle moments of journalism.
Most probably, those who agree with Joe, agree with him because that type of stuff makes sense to them.

In my experience, people agree with Joe on football matters when they don't take the time / have the inclination to consider the subject matter comprehensively - here or in any other place.

In that environment Joe is a safe pair of hands - he's a good lad - sure look at the work he does and the wonderful colour pieces he writes occasionally. Sure how could he be wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 02:40:19 PM
http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-tells-mickey-harte-to-f**k-off-and-play-behind-closed-doors/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Thewildcat on March 31, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
he should tell his own county the same after last weeks display, his a two face cu.t later in the year if Tyrone do well he be licking their arse and how hard it is in ulster football.  Donegal played the same puke football last year yet he thought they were great because they beat Dublin, as i said his a two face bollix always was smart hole kerry gave him his answer last year the first time i seen the little shit stuck for words after the star said to him what do you think of that Brolly after they done the double.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on March 31, 2015, 07:54:53 PM
Good man. You should be very proud of your reaction to this debate. I think you've got the perspective and the level of disdain juuuuuust right.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on March 31, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Brolly is in Paisley mode again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ose 14 on March 31, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
hes gone too far re harte this time, he will be needing a solicitor by the end of the week.???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on March 31, 2015, 09:46:40 PM
Puke football. John Murray show.  Cav - Not a man. Fckù off mickey.   Rte and their representatives can't really expect a big howya doin from Tyrone gaa anytime soon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 31, 2015, 09:54:49 PM
Dublin 3-19 Derry 1-10 (0-13 to 1-3 at half time) - playing football away to Dublin in the league final last year and after a good League Campaign. No doubt Dublin were (sorta) entertained. How entertained were Derry fans at last years game? Or for that matter the neutral fan? Playing open football left them open like lambs to the slaughter and ruined preparations and confidence for the championship!

Dublin 0-8 Derry 0-4 (0-3 to 0-2 at half time) granted a shite game. But what do you expect. It's all about getting ready for the summer for Derry now. Another hiding would have destroyed this team even more after a poor league campaign. Last weekend Derry went home saying to themselves that they stayed with Dublin for an hour and only lost by four.

Look I hate what is happening, but i hate more to see teams that are trying to bridge the gap getting hammered. It's a sad direction. But it is necessitated by the weaker teams to maintain confidence and respectability.

Brollys opinions are all over the place. He has too much going on in his head and has ended up a barrel of contradictions. He is one of the greatest caring person but like us all he lets personal county and provincial allegiances cloud his judgement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 31, 2015, 09:55:29 PM
He's the George Hook/Eamon Dunphy court jester of GAA. The unfortunate thing is those with a passing interest in GAA lap up his comments as gospel.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on March 31, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 31, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
hes gone too far re harte this time, he will be needing a solicitor by the end of the week.???

If there's a pound in it for Mickey there very well could be,it really amuses me how people react to joe when he dare says a bad word about our great Mickey they come out all guns blazing,well let me tell you ask brolly to do something for your club and he be right there,ask Mickey and you will be told how much to put in the envelope.....and yes I know that for fact, have dealt with both.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 31, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on March 31, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 31, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
hes gone too far re harte this time, he will be needing a solicitor by the end of the week.???

If there's a pound in it for Mickey there very well could be,it really amuses me how people react to joe when he dare says a bad word about our great Mickey they come out all guns blazing,well let me tell you ask brolly to do something for your club and he be right there,ask Mickey and you will be told how much to put in the envelope.....and yes I know that for fact, have dealt with both.

+1...few other high profile lads like him. Ask them to say a few words at a dinner dance and money is mentioned. On the other hand we went to give Colm McAlarney £100 quid for speaking at a do and he was insulted. Paddy Buggy (RIP) spoke at our golden jubilee do and HE sent us a rake of hurls for the camogs the following week. There's GAA men and then there's GAA men.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Thewildcat on April 01, 2015, 12:40:37 AM
don't think they would have won them without him, yes great players but you need a good man over them to keep their heads out of the clouds. how many they they win before he was over them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 01, 2015, 06:50:15 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on March 31, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 31, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
hes gone too far re harte this time, he will be needing a solicitor by the end of the week.???

If there's a pound in it for Mickey there very well could be,it really amuses me how people react to joe when he dare says a bad word about our great Mickey they come out all guns blazing,well let me tell you ask brolly to do something for your club and he be right there,ask Mickey and you will be told how much to put in the envelope.....and yes I know that for fact, have dealt with both.

I wonder did you ever question what he was doing with any money earned? Ever thought that it was going to charity? Of course not......I know for a fact that a large proportion of it does, but sure never mind, haters will always hate! Anyway, I've always wondered why people expect other people to give up a full night of their time, travel half way across the country, prepare an hour or so of a talk, listen to hours of tedious speeches, spend another hour or so signing autographs, handing out medals and getting pictures taken, then walk away just happy that they are "GAA men" and not expect any remuneration for their time. Mickey Harte gives plenty of his free time to the GAA, your scabby club should have a good look at themselves for whinging about expecting him to give his (already very limited) free time for nothing. He should have taken a leaf out of Joe Brolly's phrasebook and told you to f**k off!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 01, 2015, 07:10:51 AM
Good post
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: nrico2006 on April 01, 2015, 08:23:58 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2015, 06:50:15 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on March 31, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 31, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
hes gone too far re harte this time, he will be needing a solicitor by the end of the week.???

If there's a pound in it for Mickey there very well could be,it really amuses me how people react to joe when he dare says a bad word about our great Mickey they come out all guns blazing,well let me tell you ask brolly to do something for your club and he be right there,ask Mickey and you will be told how much to put in the envelope.....and yes I know that for fact, have dealt with both.

I wonder did you ever question what he was doing with any money earned? Ever thought that it was going to charity? Of course not......I know for a fact that a large proportion of it does, but sure never mind, haters will always hate! Anyway, I've always wondered why people expect other people to give up a full night of their time, travel half way across the country, prepare an hour or so of a talk, listen to hours of tedious speeches, spend another hour or so signing autographs, handing out medals and getting pictures taken, then walk away just happy that they are "GAA men" and not expect any remuneration for their time. Mickey Harte gives plenty of his free time to the GAA, your scabby club should have a good look at themselves for whinging about expecting him to give his (already very limited) free time for nothing. He should have taken a leaf out of Joe Brolly's phrasebook and told you to f**k off!

Well said.  Joe Brolly is a gobshite who wouldn't last too long in inter-county management.  As mentioned before, he hung out the arse of McGuiness and his style and is now ranting about the death of gaelic football.  How he see's this as more to do with Harte and less to do with McIver after the weekends game is beyond me.  As for St Brolly and attending club functions etc, he does it all for himself as it gives him the attention and limelight he wants so badly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on April 01, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
Thankyou some of you have just made my point,how dare I or anyone say a thing about Mickey sure I dont know everything,I don't know what Mickey does with his brown envelopes so why should I assume,EXACTLY!!.....a lot of you come on here and insult joe brolly and in most cases don't know the full story on certain issues but that doesn't stop you from calling him every name under the sun,I have a very high regard for Mickey Harte but it's amazing when I use his name in a uncomplementary manner the high horse brigade ride in so my advise would be before you start slandering brolly and his like take a closer look at your own.

By the way I certainly don't agree with brolly on most things but he puts his money (pardon the pun) where his mouth is

P.s. Bennyharp your comment about my club being a scabby club says a hell of a lot more about you than does of me my friend
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: nrico2006 on April 01, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
People call Brolly all sorts of names as he has a history of publicly slagging off people, whilst Mickey Harte does not indulge in this bullying type of behaviour.  As a result of this, is it hard for you to see why people attack Brolly and have a bit more respect for Harte?

As for Brolly putting his money where his mouth is, let him enter the world of management to see how he fares considering he is seemingly an expert in that field with the solution to all of footballs problems and would win an All Ireland and win it in style playing football the way it should be played.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on April 01, 2015, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
People call Brolly all sorts of names as he has a history of publicly slagging off people, whilst Mickey Harte does not indulge in this bullying type of behaviour.  As a result of this, is it hard for you to see why people attack Brolly and have a bit more respect for Harte?

As for Brolly putting his money where his mouth is, let him enter the world of management to see how he fares considering he is seemingly an expert in that field with the solution to all of footballs problems and would win an All Ireland and win it in style playing football the way it should be played.



Look nrico I am not going to contradict my original point and start slagging Mickey Harte because I used him to highlight my point as I knew exactly what reaction it would get but to say he never used bully like behaviour is astounding,I suggest you do a little research starting with glencull and right up to the Brian carty affair....bullying can be perceived in many different ways.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 01, 2015, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 01, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
Thankyou some of you have just made my point,how dare I or anyone say a thing about Mickey sure I dont know everything,I don't know what Mickey does with his brown envelopes so why should I assume,EXACTLY!!.....a lot of you come on here and insult joe brolly and in most cases don't know the full story on certain issues but that doesn't stop you from calling him every name under the sun,I have a very high regard for Mickey Harte but it's amazing when I use his name in a uncomplementary manner the high horse brigade ride in so my advise would be before you start slandering brolly and his like take a closer look at your own.

By the way I certainly don't agree with brolly on most things but he puts his money (pardon the pun) where his mouth is

P.s. Bennyharp your comment about my club being a scabby club says a hell of a lot more about you than does of me my friend

Maybe, but you, anonymously, and seemingly on behalf of your anonymous club, are making derogatory insinuations on here about an individual who is not anonymous. Nobody knows who your club is so my comments in no way impact in a negative way on them. Everyone can clearly see that you are implying Mickey Harte is money hungry in comparison to others because he wont give of his free time to your club - that either says a lot about you, or a lot about your club if they are happy with you coming on here and bringing them into this debate in a quite aggressive way. If you are speaking on behalf of your club, then I stand by my comments, If not and you are speaking for yourself then, I withdraw my comments and aim them solely at you. Why don't you tell us who your club is so we clearly know who is involved in both sides of the situation you described in your original post and Mickey and the rest of us can get an idea of who is making these claims against him? I'm sure they will be delighted with the exposure that you would give them!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on April 01, 2015, 03:12:23 PM
If you take a quick look through my posts I state several times what my club is,my background and quite a few on here know who I am and I don't hide it so tear away ......it's quite obvious my point in making my first post on this topic has went totally over your head so as the man said there's no point debating with a Jack Russell!! So I'll leave it there so,and sure your the winner anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 01, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 01, 2015, 03:12:23 PM
If you take a quick look through my posts I state several times what my club is,my background and quite a few on here know who I am and I don't hide it so tear away ......it's quite obvious my point in making my first post on this topic has went totally over your head so as the man said there's no point debating with a Jack Russell!! So I'll leave it there so,and sure your the winner anyway.

I've no desire to read any of your other posts so I agree we can leave it there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on April 02, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
Something retweeted earlier   ;D

https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gibbs32 on April 02, 2015, 05:40:09 PM
I like joe brolly and his analysis.if rossies were managed by a positive manager we wud b contenders.mayb as i suspect evans dosnt rate rossies which is disgraceful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on April 02, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
Something retweeted earlier   ;D

https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592)

Perfect Irish teeth
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 05, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
The Tyrone County Board need to sack Mickey now

http://balls.ie/gaa/259912-joe-brolly-mickey-harte/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 05, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 05, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
The Tyrone County Board need to sack Mickey now

http://balls.ie/gaa/259912-joe-brolly-mickey-harte/

Bad form and timing from Brolly - he had to know the craic with Harte
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: laceer on April 05, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Brolly knew what he was at. He has some great points to make but courts the limelight more than anything else he claims to stand for. Poor form as is his want.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 05, 2015, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on April 02, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
Something retweeted earlier   ;D

https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/583656727914094592)

Perfect Irish teeth
Is that a kiss curl, a minimalist version of ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 05, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 05, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 05, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
The Tyrone County Board need to sack Mickey now

http://balls.ie/gaa/259912-joe-brolly-mickey-harte/

Bad form and timing from Brolly - he had to know the craic with Harte

Very poor form indeed. Joe covers himself by talking about Derry but his condemnation of all things Tyrone and his personal insults of Mickey Harte, a man who has and has had plenty on his plate is not acceptable behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on April 05, 2015, 11:52:29 PM
Harte has many flaws, least of which would be his teams tactical setup, but he has at least acted with dignity during his 13 odd years in the spotlight. Pity the same could not be said of Brolly who lacks the same degree of common decency.

Brolly like any of us has reason to be critical of Harte or his tactics but telling someone to "f**k off" on the national radio over something as banal as 30 lads kicking a bag of air around a pitch is frankly the act of an ignorant bastrd.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2015, 12:57:14 AM
Joe's usual tactics. Pick a high profile target, throw a load of mud and wait to be talked about. Nothing new here. Getting a bit tiresome at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 06, 2015, 02:21:44 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 06, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
He does some great things and is rightly applauded for them. At other times, he's just a dick.

Exactly this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CD on April 06, 2015, 08:14:36 AM
He's easier to read than he is to listen to. Some of the points he's made in recent weeks have been valid and good journalism. Then he gets carried away with the hype and says things that are nasty, petty, vindictive and deliberately controversial. His use of a dive by Philip Jordan twelve years ago as an example to illustrate a point in yestdays Independent is another case in point. There are examples of dives and similar incidents in every other game and he has to pick one to deliberately annoy Tyrone people and belittle the achievements of a great team. He seems determined to crusade against not just the current teams but past achievements.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.

I'm surprised anyone talks to him as he repeats every conversation in his various columns!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 06, 2015, 03:11:56 PM
I think his choice of career gives a huge insight into Brolly - basically in his day job he gets paid to argue and it doesn't matter if he's on the  right side or the wrong side of the argument, the longer the argument goes on the more he gets paid.   However in the day job there are certain rules he has to obey - however in his GAA pundit role there are far less rules and so he constantly goes beyond what most people would consider acceptable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
Good man joe
Has all the red arses and gobshite whingers on here moaning about him!!

You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 06, 2015, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.

In fairness it is believable.

Now if he said 'I was listening to.....<insert whoever>', that wouldn't be credible.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 06, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
It's disgusting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on April 06, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.

What's the situation with Harte?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on April 07, 2015, 01:37:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on April 06, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.

What's the situation with Harte?



A lot more serious than what's been told.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 03:01:45 PM
Joe Brolly, contrary to his own world view, is NOT THE GAA, nor is he the voice of reason for the GAA. That he chooses to write for the Independent proves that in itself. He is a populist media whore who loves nothing better than the sound of his own voice.
He has continually slagged of Tyrone this last number of years, and even when he was praising MH and his players, he would usually round of his piece by slagging Tyrone off...."aye but sure isn't my ma from Brackaville..."
Who gives a f**k Joe, where your ma is from?
You are a disingenuous hypocritical liar - fair play with the kidney and all that, but i wonder would you ever go and f**k off...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.

100% agree....meeting donegal men in an ice cream shop..."my son was playing crossmaglen..." "my u14 team..." "2 county men i spoke to..."
Its as if in some way his opinion is more valid than anyone else and he needs to justify his piece by "bumping into men"
What a complete w**ker
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 07, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.

100% agree....meeting donegal men in an ice cream shop..."my son was playing crossmaglen..." "my u14 team..." "2 county men i spoke to..."
Its as if in some way his opinion is more valid than anyone else and he needs to justify his piece by "bumping into men"
What a complete w**ker

You're the w**ker.

Keep her lit Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 07, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
I'm getting tired of his, "I was talking to..." spiel every week.
He can't seem to turn a corner without walking into a disgruntled inter-county player.

100% agree....meeting donegal men in an ice cream shop..."my son was playing crossmaglen..." "my u14 team..." "2 county men i spoke to..."
Its as if in some way his opinion is more valid than anyone else and he needs to justify his piece by "bumping into men"
What a complete w**ker



You're the w**ker.

Keep her lit Joe!

Good man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.
I don't think he'd say anything about Harte if he thought Harte was unwell. Brolly writes his stuff at least a week in advance. Like most Gaels - we might row on the terraces ( or Internet forum) but try to offer help if the other party was in need or sick.

Joe is a v opinionated bollix but behind all the bluster is a decent guy.
The same could be said about most posters on here too.

If Mickey Harte is unwell then I wish him speedy recovery. I have always admired him and his tactics. I'm also a fan of strong defensive based football. I also like Tyronies, but Prob couldn't eat more than one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I don't know Lynchboy, Mickey just didn't get ill overnight before Joe's article. The sad thing is that Joe's behaviour which involves trying to maximise his own opinions and profile would mean that people may believe he chooses the most high profile person of the week to sling mud at. Mickey not being at Omagh was always going to be a big story to piggy back on. Now this may not be true, but the way he behaves certainly makes people cynical. This whole idea of using the media to call for people to be sacked in the GAA is just rotten to the core anyway, regardless of the situation regarding Mickeys health. Unfortunately, Joe, like any bully, responds to those egging him on telling him he's deadly craic and a brilliant wind up merchant and ignores those telling him to wind his neck in and that he's going a bit too far.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I don't know Lynchboy, Mickey just didn't get ill overnight before Joe's article. The sad thing is that Joe's behaviour which involves trying to maximise his own opinions and profile would mean that people may believe he chooses the most high profile person of the week to sling mud at. Mickey not being at Omagh was always going to be a big story to piggy back on. Now this may not be true, but the way he behaves certainly makes people cynical. This whole idea of using the media to call for people to be sacked in the GAA is just rotten to the core anyway, regardless of the situation regarding Mickeys health. Unfortunately, Joe, like any bully, responds to those egging him on telling him he's deadly craic and a brilliant wind up merchant and ignores those telling him to wind his neck in and that he's going a bit too far.

If you look at the stuff Brolly has come out with, in no order at all:
- Sean Cavanagh isn't a man (live on TV...)
- philip Jordan defaced the 2003 final (12 years later in the Indo...)
- Mickey harte should be sacked by the county board (papers...)
- f**k off and play behind closed doors Mickey (live on radio)
- teaching the youngsters to play like this in school and in development squads (papers, every other month for the last 2 years...)
- Brian McIver, McGuinness...
- Gooch is a choker
- Paul Grimley is useless
- Grimleys 2 brothers were just as bad

Im paraphrasing here in many cases, but the notion that Brolly prepares for this in advance is wrong....he shoots from the hip with no regard for the offence it causes to people, their families, friends etc...

Brolly coaches an u14 team in south belfast only because thats about his level. he has no experience of what is required to manage a county team to failure, never mind victory...yet he talks like he is an expert.

Sure, some of the stuff he comes out with makes sense, but you know what happens if you give a clatter of monkeys a few typewriters...

he is getting paid through his media outlets and he uses those platforms to slag off amateur sportsmen....he is entitled to his opinion for sure but Mickey Harte, Philip Jordan etc are all entitled to go about their business without being slagged off...


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 07, 2015, 04:27:32 PM
They'd also be within their rights to give him a slap on the gob too, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 04:35:43 PM
Am I right in saying that the "Grimley is useless" comment was in response to Grimley NOT setting his team up defensively v Cavan in the Championship a few years ago?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 07, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 04:35:43 PM
Am I right in saying that the "Grimley is useless" comment was in response to Grimley NOT setting his team up defensively v Cavan in the Championship a few years ago?

ha! you may be right there BennyHarp...was a league game at the athletic grounds v Wexford in the same league campaign, where they were 11 down at half time and then drew (i think...) brolly was all over him and his family around this time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on April 07, 2015, 05:24:30 PM
I don't believe that Joe would have knowingly put an article out there criticising Mickey Harte if he had the slightest idea Mickey is unwell and wouldn't be attending the Kerry game at the weekend. That said, Joe is an expert at calling out individuals and teams for being cynical, so the cynical side of me thinks that Joe might well have been aware with regards to his editorial deadline but decided to run it anyway for maximum effect.

Joe has his good and bad points, he has been insufferable and inspirational in equal measure at times. I wonder if he will be able to cope with a dose of his own medicine if this blows up over the next week or so. I'm not saying he's akin to Brooks and Murdoch but remember they were papped coming out of the back of a building during that whole scandal, proper f**king order that was, two c***ts of the highest order.

Really hope Mickey Harte is on the mend soon and it isn't too serious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I don't know Lynchboy, Mickey just didn't get ill overnight before Joe's article. The sad thing is that Joe's behaviour which involves trying to maximise his own opinions and profile would mean that people may believe he chooses the most high profile person of the week to sling mud at. Mickey not being at Omagh was always going to be a big story to piggy back on. Now this may not be true, but the way he behaves certainly makes people cynical. This whole idea of using the media to call for people to be sacked in the GAA is just rotten to the core anyway, regardless of the situation regarding Mickeys health. Unfortunately, Joe, like any bully, responds to those egging him on telling him he's deadly craic and a brilliant wind up merchant and ignores those telling him to wind his neck in and that he's going a bit too far.
I don't agree with Joe on a lot of things and I don't think I'd be saying quite the same things or in the same way - but I don't think joe is vindictive or what he is saying is pre-meditated.
Yes maybe it is shooting from the hip , but that's not pre-meditated.
Not my style but joe does a lot of it to court media attention.

The items listed by dermyt- well Joe might not be all that wrong in most - from a certain perspective.

Grimley got it badly wrong that day ( but has redeemed himself in later games /year) . The twins should have been better for Armagh than they were - as they were talented lads. If not a bit mad.
Half of tyrone is calling for Mickey hartes resignation. Jordan Prob did dive ( on more than one occasion- good player he was though) but this story seemed to be joe stirring up controversy as he'd nothing much to argue about at that time!

Again all Joe courting controversy. Getting people irate and talking. He's taking the psis imo.

I'd not do it - well on here we all state our forthright opinions, but I'd expect we would have a bit more decorum if in the public arena.
That's where we differ from Joe.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 07, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2015, 04:27:32 PM
They'd also be within their rights to give him a slap on the gob too, in my opinion.

Would Jordan go down even quicker if he was actually slapped? !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 07, 2015, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I don't know Lynchboy, Mickey just didn't get ill overnight before Joe's article. The sad thing is that Joe's behaviour which involves trying to maximise his own opinions and profile would mean that people may believe he chooses the most high profile person of the week to sling mud at. Mickey not being at Omagh was always going to be a big story to piggy back on. Now this may not be true, but the way he behaves certainly makes people cynical. This whole idea of using the media to call for people to be sacked in the GAA is just rotten to the core anyway, regardless of the situation regarding Mickeys health. Unfortunately, Joe, like any bully, responds to those egging him on telling him he's deadly craic and a brilliant wind up merchant and ignores those telling him to wind his neck in and that he's going a bit too far.
I don't agree with Joe on a lot of things and I don't think I'd be saying quite the same things or in the same way - but I don't think joe is vindictive or what he is saying is pre-meditated.
Yes maybe it is shooting from the hip , but that's not pre-meditated.
Not my style but joe does a lot of it to court media attention.

The items listed by dermyt- well Joe might not be all that wrong in most - from a certain perspective.

Grimley got it badly wrong that day ( but has redeemed himself in later games /year) . The twins should have been better for Armagh than they were - as they were talented lads. If not a bit mad.
Half of tyrone is calling for Mickey hartes resignation. Jordan Prob did dive ( on more than one occasion- good player he was though) but this story seemed to be joe stirring up controversy as he'd nothing much to argue about at that time!

Again all Joe courting controversy. Getting people irate and talking. He's taking the psis imo.

I'd not do it - well on here we all state our forthright opinions, but I'd expect we would have a bit more decorum if in the public arena.
That's where we differ from Joe.

Just my opinion.
Why does he feel the constant need to court attention, court controversy? For him, it's an addiction.  He's at the stage where he's a pathological histrionic attention seeker and it's getting more extreme in the last few weeks/months. How long will it be before he begins to suspect that Tyrone  and Derry use those tactics, just to screw with him personally, out of vindictiveness? Joe's getting more unhinged by the month. And the strange obsession with Tyrone lingers on,  I mean who really cares about Tyrone any more, they're harmless, you'd almost pity them now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 07, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
I'm not sure where his hatred for Tyrone and Mickey Harte methods come from but there is a definite agenda and how Harte has not reacted to some of Brollys insults about him is beyond me. I'd love to hear a debate with Harte and Brolly in the same room, there appears to be a genuine dislike from Brolly towards Harte when you consider that Jimmy McGuinness played much more negatively than Harte yet never suffered the same personal insults as Harte has done from Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 08:48:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 07, 2015, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I don't know Lynchboy, Mickey just didn't get ill overnight before Joe's article. The sad thing is that Joe's behaviour which involves trying to maximise his own opinions and profile would mean that people may believe he chooses the most high profile person of the week to sling mud at. Mickey not being at Omagh was always going to be a big story to piggy back on. Now this may not be true, but the way he behaves certainly makes people cynical. This whole idea of using the media to call for people to be sacked in the GAA is just rotten to the core anyway, regardless of the situation regarding Mickeys health. Unfortunately, Joe, like any bully, responds to those egging him on telling him he's deadly craic and a brilliant wind up merchant and ignores those telling him to wind his neck in and that he's going a bit too far.
I don't agree with Joe on a lot of things and I don't think I'd be saying quite the same things or in the same way - but I don't think joe is vindictive or what he is saying is pre-meditated.
Yes maybe it is shooting from the hip , but that's not pre-meditated.
Not my style but joe does a lot of it to court media attention.

The items listed by dermyt- well Joe might not be all that wrong in most - from a certain perspective.

Grimley got it badly wrong that day ( but has redeemed himself in later games /year) . The twins should have been better for Armagh than they were - as they were talented lads. If not a bit mad.
Half of tyrone is calling for Mickey hartes resignation. Jordan Prob did dive ( on more than one occasion- good player he was though) but this story seemed to be joe stirring up controversy as he'd nothing much to argue about at that time!

Again all Joe courting controversy. Getting people irate and talking. He's taking the psis imo.

I'd not do it - well on here we all state our forthright opinions, but I'd expect we would have a bit more decorum if in the public arena.
That's where we differ from Joe.

Just my opinion.
Why does he feel the constant need to court attention, court controversy? For him, it's an addiction.  He's at the stage where he's a pathological histrionic attention seeker and it's getting more extreme in the last few weeks/months. How long will it be before he begins to suspect that Tyrone  and Derry use those tactics, just to screw with him personally, out of vindictiveness? Joe's getting more unhinged by the month. And the strange obsession with Tyrone lingers on,  I mean who really cares about Tyrone any more, they're harmless, you'd almost pity them now.
Only he knows MS
But I'm sure it's a logical enough and most likely a harmless enough reason!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.
I don't think he'd say anything about Harte if he thought Harte was unwell. Brolly writes his stuff at least a week in advance.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Editors are often waiting into the early hours before printing to receive his articles.

Joe thinks he's striking a blow for his establishment - RTE - with his anti-Harte stance. He's also a performer and loves the attention his blasts gives him.

He's impossible to debate with. If he doesn't shout you down ('hold on, hold on') he'll turn it into a joke when things go against him with a few personal yet humorous insults ('ah sure it's only a bit of crack').

He's the Piers Morgan of the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.
I don't think he'd say anything about Harte if he thought Harte was unwell. Brolly writes his stuff at least a week in advance.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Editors are often waiting into the early hours before printing to receive his articles.

Joe thinks he's striking a blow for his establishment - RTE - with his anti-Harte stance. He's also a performer and loves the attention his blasts gives him.

He's impossible to debate with. If he doesn't shout you down ('hold on, hold on') he'll turn it into a joke when things go against him with a few personal yet humorous insults ('ah sure it's only a bit of crack').

He's the Piers Morgan of the GAA.
I don't doubt it

Doesn't mean he hasn't a large proportion of it written way in advance Though !

Just don't be trying to apply logic to joe and his reasoning.  I gave up long ago.
I can see why you wrote and think the above

I'm surprised no one has accused you of being joe brolly yet !

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:22:55 PM
Resisted writing "typical Dungiven man, surr".

Joe can be funny. But maybe he needs an advisor. For an intelligent man, he can come out with some dangerous guff. Cavanagh talked of the aftermath of his 'not a man' comment - how his business and wife were affected. That stuff he came out with about (Paddy?) Andrews who played for Dublin in 2005 was scandalous - 'he should be nowhere near a football field' - and now calling on Harte to be sacked.

He has a responsibility to be half-sensible in his position (I'd like to think) - analyse the game - not the man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 07, 2015, 11:25:33 PM
Is the official line re Harte not a routine / minor operation from which he has been recovering at home since last Friday? Anything other than this has been what some posters have been hinting at on here. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
So, is it gossip you're after?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on April 07, 2015, 11:49:05 PM
Great article below by Ewan MacKenna on Joe Brolly & 'the end is near' brigade in Gaelic Football.
I think the GAA should be demanding a more mature analysis of its games by media outlets that are given the rights to broadcast games. Those with only a casual interest in Football are likely to be turned off by the depressingly negative tone in the analysis. Lets not forget that RTÉ, when championship season arrives, will devote more time to Joe Brolly's opinions than it will to championship games between smaller counties.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/agendas-over-analysis-are-the-real-reason-for-footballs-crisis-talk/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 08, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
So, is it gossip you're after?

Not in the slightest. maybe have a pop at your fellow county men for hinting it's more and not showing a bit more decorum
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
So, is it gossip you're after?

Not in the slightest. maybe have a pop at your fellow county men for hinting it's more and not showing a bit more decorum

So it's not more then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 08, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
So, is it gossip you're after?

Not in the slightest. maybe have a pop at your fellow county men for hinting it's more and not showing a bit more decorum

So it's not more then?

No idea. Hopefully not
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on April 08, 2015, 12:14:07 AM
Excellent article and Tomas O Shea had a good article in last fridays indo about Brollys rantings.I have never met anybody with any knowledge of gaelic football that thinks Brolly is even the first cousin of being an expert  on football so Mckennas article is a little bit off in that respect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 08, 2015, 08:26:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 07, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 06, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
You lads/kids/girls should know better to not be taken in by his wind ups

In fairness I don't think most people take him seriously at all, the point here is the awful timing of the article given the situation with Harte.
I don't think he'd say anything about Harte if he thought Harte was unwell. Brolly writes his stuff at least a week in advance.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Editors are often waiting into the early hours before printing to receive his articles.

Joe thinks he's striking a blow for his establishment - RTE - with his anti-Harte stance. He's also a performer and loves the attention his blasts gives him.

He's impossible to debate with. If he doesn't shout you down ('hold on, hold on') he'll turn it into a joke when things go against him with a few personal yet humorous insults ('ah sure it's only a bit of crack').

He's the Piers Morgan of the GAA.

He's the Katie Hopkins of the GAA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 08, 2015, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on April 07, 2015, 11:49:05 PM
Great article below by Ewan MacKenna on Joe Brolly & 'the end is near' brigade in Gaelic Football.
I think the GAA should be demanding a more mature analysis of its games by media outlets that are given the rights to broadcast games. Those with only a casual interest in Football are likely to be turned off by the depressingly negative tone in the analysis. Lets not forget that RTÉ, when championship season arrives, will devote more time to Joe Brolly's opinions than it will to championship games between smaller counties.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/agendas-over-analysis-are-the-real-reason-for-footballs-crisis-talk/

Excellent stuff from Ewan McKenna.
But we wont let the facts get in tehw ay of a good end of the world rant from brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 10:50:47 AM
Ewan McKenna believes in nothing, and has no opinion on anything. He is simply a contrarian, who takes up the opposite position to the popular view on everything. This is not because he genuinely believes the opposite, in my view, but because he wants people to argue with him and increase his notoriety. He is the Yin to Brolly's Yang.

I dislike that approach to punditry, and both McKenna's and Brolly's style are good examples of a type of publicity seeking argumentativeness that I find very annoying and off-putting. I don't read anything McKenna writes or tweets anymore because it's vacuous. It doesn't mean anything. It's not a heartfelt opinion, it's the verbal equivalent of poking a wasps nest while wearing a protective suit. The consequences of what you do won't hurt you because you don't care about it, but the pokee gets irate and upset so it's a pleasant distraction for you.

Apologies for posting the above ^^^^ twice, but please lets not get hung up on Joe Brolly or any other pundit versus Ewan McKenna or anyone else. That's what these lads want it to become. Get their names inextricably linked with the topic so that they become part of the discussion. They are not, and shouldn't be, part of the discussion.

The discussion should be whether we, as the GAA at large, perceive a problem here. I think it's undeniable that more teams are attempting to set up defensively, in an attempt to lower the scores against column and give themselves a better chance. Whether it is effective in all cases is a moot point, but there's no denying, in my view, that the intent is there.

The question becomes whether we feel that is anything to be worried about. And if it is, what could, or should, we do to remedy it. If it's not something to be worried about then it's all academic. But the discussion has to be had without blow hards like Brolly and McKenna setting the agenda. I'm sick to the back teeth of reading people saying the black card was brought in because of Brolly's rant against Sean Cavanagh. It was adopted at congress months before that, albeit with Brolly as a proponent. But because of his rant, people are confused about the cause and effect. And that suits Brolly perfectly. Remove him, and the lad who will call black white just to get retweets and arguments going (McKenna), from the debate and that would be a good start.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on April 08, 2015, 10:53:08 AM
Here's a thought ,for all of you who are so deeply offended by brolly,well don't read or watch him!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 08, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
Agree with much of that AZ.

The problem in this case is that the person in charge of the rules committee used the same 'look at me' methods as the others.

when people inside the GAA resort to the same retweet fuelled methods as brolly and co then we're in bother.

he later said his 'death of football' tweet was just to start debate. That's horseshit and not how the GAA should conduct its affairs imo. Have the discussions and consultations within the association and if anything comes out of them then start the debate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 08, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 08, 2015, 10:53:08 AM
Here's a thought ,for all of you who are so deeply offended by brolly,well don't read or watch him!!!

That would be fine if he wasnt rallying to get the actual game itself changed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 08, 2015, 10:53:08 AM
Here's a thought ,for all of you who are so deeply offended by brolly,well don't read or watch him!!!


Not sure if that's aimed at me or not, but sure I'll answer anyway.

First of all, that sort of comment is fair enough in one sense, but when Brolly makes such a determined effort to get on your papers, TV screens and radio, it's kind of hard to avoid him. It's not as if people here are ringing Joe up for a soundbite they can get annoyed over. And when other people constantly quote him, it's doubly hard to avoid it.

Secondly, I'm not sure 'deeply offended' is the right phrase. It's more annoyance that people can't see what he's at. Namely saying anything that will get him publicity, regardless of subject or affiliation. He'll have a pop off anything if he feels it will get him noticed. And he's not averse to having a pop off something which he was lead cheerleader for in the past either. He lauded Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry and Dublin at various times, before castigating them at a future point when it suited him to be 'controversial'.

He doesn't offend me at all anyway, although I can see why some people might take offence, but he doesn't bother with Offaly because we're stone useless at the moment, so offended is not the right word. Sick of hearing and seeing him, yes.

By the way, is there another 'public' figure with a greater dichotomy of personality as Joe? In his work for organ donation, and other charity and local work he seems like a great guy. When he talks about GAA he seems like a muppet. It's genuinely impressive how he manages that Jekyll and Hyde feat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on April 08, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
Agree with much of that AZ.

The problem in this case is that the person in charge of the rules committee used the same 'look at me' methods as the others.

when people inside the GAA resort to the same retweet fuelled methods as brolly and co then we're in bother.

he later said his 'death of football' tweet was just to start debate. That's horseshit and not how the GAA should conduct its affairs imo. Have the discussions and consultations within the association and if anything comes out of them then start the debate.

Agree with you there. And that's one of the problems. When this sort of punditry becomes the norm, then everyone starts at it because the squeakiest wheel gets the oil.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CD on April 08, 2015, 11:03:48 AM
I was emailed a link to this this morning - Written and published by former Tyrone PRO, Damian Harvey. An eloquent piece I feel.

Time to Step Forward and Challenge Joe
Let's get one thing clear right from the start. This isn't about defending ourselves by pointing out that other counties are worse than we are. It isn't that we are just feeling sorry for ourselves. That's cheap point scoring and that's not what this article is about. There are those who would say the best way to handle Joe Brolly is to ignore him. They would say that we should stop reading his articles if we are annoyed and switch off the television when he's on. I'm not one to subscribe to that train of thought.
You see amidst all the bluster I believe Joe used to make the odd valid point from time to time. It's just that those nuggets are now harder to find in a sea of bad taste and more recently unwarranted abuse towards some of the most respected GAA men on the island. As a barrister Joe is more than capable of making a point. The craft of the barrister is all about trying to influence the minds of those watching and listening. Joe has skilfully transferred those skills to another two aspects of his life. He has done a serious amount of good work in attempting to influence the minds of the policy makers with the 'Opt for Life' campaign. This campaign quite rightly aims to establish a 'family consent' society for organ donation.
The world of GAA media has also offered Joe another opportunity to influence minds. His approach to this aspect would appear however to be somewhat different. There's a 'no holds barred' methodology to his GAA work. Joe would have us believe that he cares as passionately about his GAA as he does about his 'Opt for Life' campaign. His approach to engaging key stake holders in the 'Opt for Life' campaign could not be more different from the way he handles GAA issues. While the full time professional politicians are treated with 'kid gloves' the part time GAA managers and players get the "cheating", "he should be sacked", "forget about him as a man" and "F**k off and play behind closed doors" language.
Joe contextualises these statements by claiming that he's only speaking out because he loves the GAA and that no man is more passionate about the future of the game than him. Does that give him enough cover though to continue with the personal insults? Should he continue to go unchallenged when he utters these insults? The Sean Cavanagh rant has been well documented. No response from the GAA. Last week he used disgusting and unwarranted language on national radio to tell Mickey Harte and his team where to go because he didn't like their style of play. That brought the "F**k off and play behind closed doors" statement. Unchallenged.
On Sunday in a national newspaper he lambasted Philip Jordan for "defacing" the 2003 All Ireland final. Again unchallenged. He went on to say that Tyrone forwards "systematically" pulled down Meath forwards in 2013 and that "Mickey Harte should be sacked for what he has peddled in the last three years". Once again unchallenged. We can also go back to Tyrone's win over Kerry in the 2013 All Ireland minor semi final. On that occasion he claimed that the "dark arts were taught openly at Tyrone underage coaching sessions." Once again unchallenged.
While he continues to go unchallenged it becomes more and more plausible that Tyrone GAA accept the charges as laid down. Why should that continue to be the case? Tyrone GAA is a huge business in terms of volunteer hours, income, expenditure, value to the communities it serves and the number of young people that commit to and play our games. What message are we sending out if we cannot openly defend our own people? Why can't we step forward and call time on Brolly's offensive accusations and base rhetoric as he jumps from one media outlet to the next to belittle and insult managers and players time and time again?
It's not a Tyrone v Derry thing either. I've spoken to a number of Derry GAA people recently who instantly distance themselves from his statements claiming he doesn't represent Derry GAA people. National GAA figures are of the same opinion. If Joe wants to rid Gaelic Football of all it's woes then he's intelligent enough to fight for those changes in the committee rooms and the floor of congress like everyone else.
It's unlikely that Joe will ever take this under his notice but if by some small chance that he does here's a last message to him. Please spare us the 'self righteous Tyrone people' line Joe. Come up with something a little more positive and becoming of a GAA analyst of your stature.
In 2013 Joe was invited to speak at the GAA Congress about his 'Opt for Life' campaign. In that speech he spoke about the GAA being "separated from other societies by the quality of neighbourliness and community". He mentioned that phrase not once but several times during that speech. Joe also spoke about how "everyone in the GAA knows each other and cares for each other". Strange then that he seeks to lambast those lads he cares about so publicly. Strange that he picked last Sunday to drive home his points knowing all too well the circumstances within Tyrone. Frustrating that he's not called to task when he blatantly insults one of our own.
Damian
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on April 08, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Very well written and measured piece.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on April 08, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
Been honest, its all becoming very tiresome. Joe seems to be living for the bad games and his weekly newspaper columns that more or less repeat the previous weeks but he re hashes them with his impressive use of the English Language and a few personal comments thrown in.

Has he yet said what he would like to see happen to the games or has he been in touch with anyone in Croke Park offering his services to help "save" the game?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Can add Declan Bogue into the silent observer list, which coincidentally also consists the recipient of his tweet https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/585752721241858049?s=09
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 08, 2015, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:22:55 PM
Resisted writing "typical Dungiven man, surr".

Joe can be funny. But maybe he needs an advisor. For an intelligent man, he can come out with some dangerous guff. Cavanagh talked of the aftermath of his 'not a man' comment - how his business and wife were affected. That stuff he came out with about (Paddy?) Andrews who played for Dublin in 2005 was scandalous - 'he should be nowhere near a football field' - and now calling on Harte to be sacked.

He has a responsibility to be half-sensible in his position (I'd like to think) - analyse the game - not the man.
Id say Joe is most untypical of Dungiven men !!
theres a few instances where I can easily point that out!

You could be right about having an advisor, but that would be no fun for Joe.
I personally don't think he should say half the stuff, and for the amount of times he can be seen as being right, he is almost as wrong for a number of times also.

sure half the board here are as bad as Joe for being big attention seekers.
quite easy to point them out. I actually don't categorise you in that vein (just yet)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 08, 2015, 01:03:42 PM
I recall Joe suggested Stephen Cluxton shouldn't wear the Dublin jersey again after he was sent off against Armagh when he drew the foot on a player. Now he's that far up Cluxton's ass... too much hyperbole and exaggeration and personal attacks ruin his arguments .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Can add Declan Bogue into the silent observer list, which coincidentally also consists the recipient of his tweet https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/585752721241858049?s=09

Oh oh. I'm in trouble now. I wish Declan had added the next sentence though, because I'm sure Ewan will say he has loads of opinions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: CD on April 08, 2015, 11:03:48 AM
I was emailed a link to this this morning - Written and published by former Tyrone PRO, Damian Harvey. An eloquent piece I feel.

Time to Step Forward and Challenge Joe
Let's get one thing clear right from the start. This isn't about defending ourselves by pointing out that other counties are worse than we are. It isn't that we are just feeling sorry for ourselves. That's cheap point scoring and that's not what this article is about. There are those who would say the best way to handle Joe Brolly is to ignore him. They would say that we should stop reading his articles if we are annoyed and switch off the television when he's on. I'm not one to subscribe to that train of thought.
You see amidst all the bluster I believe Joe used to make the odd valid point from time to time. It's just that those nuggets are now harder to find in a sea of bad taste and more recently unwarranted abuse towards some of the most respected GAA men on the island. As a barrister Joe is more than capable of making a point. The craft of the barrister is all about trying to influence the minds of those watching and listening. Joe has skilfully transferred those skills to another two aspects of his life. He has done a serious amount of good work in attempting to influence the minds of the policy makers with the 'Opt for Life' campaign. This campaign quite rightly aims to establish a 'family consent' society for organ donation.
The world of GAA media has also offered Joe another opportunity to influence minds. His approach to this aspect would appear however to be somewhat different. There's a 'no holds barred' methodology to his GAA work. Joe would have us believe that he cares as passionately about his GAA as he does about his 'Opt for Life' campaign. His approach to engaging key stake holders in the 'Opt for Life' campaign could not be more different from the way he handles GAA issues. While the full time professional politicians are treated with 'kid gloves' the part time GAA managers and players get the "cheating", "he should be sacked", "forget about him as a man" and "F**k off and play behind closed doors" language.
Joe contextualises these statements by claiming that he's only speaking out because he loves the GAA and that no man is more passionate about the future of the game than him. Does that give him enough cover though to continue with the personal insults? Should he continue to go unchallenged when he utters these insults? The Sean Cavanagh rant has been well documented. No response from the GAA. Last week he used disgusting and unwarranted language on national radio to tell Mickey Harte and his team where to go because he didn't like their style of play. That brought the "F**k off and play behind closed doors" statement. Unchallenged.
On Sunday in a national newspaper he lambasted Philip Jordan for "defacing" the 2003 All Ireland final. Again unchallenged. He went on to say that Tyrone forwards "systematically" pulled down Meath forwards in 2013 and that "Mickey Harte should be sacked for what he has peddled in the last three years". Once again unchallenged. We can also go back to Tyrone's win over Kerry in the 2013 All Ireland minor semi final. On that occasion he claimed that the "dark arts were taught openly at Tyrone underage coaching sessions." Once again unchallenged.
While he continues to go unchallenged it becomes more and more plausible that Tyrone GAA accept the charges as laid down. Why should that continue to be the case? Tyrone GAA is a huge business in terms of volunteer hours, income, expenditure, value to the communities it serves and the number of young people that commit to and play our games. What message are we sending out if we cannot openly defend our own people? Why can't we step forward and call time on Brolly's offensive accusations and base rhetoric as he jumps from one media outlet to the next to belittle and insult managers and players time and time again?
It's not a Tyrone v Derry thing either. I've spoken to a number of Derry GAA people recently who instantly distance themselves from his statements claiming he doesn't represent Derry GAA people. National GAA figures are of the same opinion. If Joe wants to rid Gaelic Football of all it's woes then he's intelligent enough to fight for those changes in the committee rooms and the floor of congress like everyone else.
It's unlikely that Joe will ever take this under his notice but if by some small chance that he does here's a last message to him. Please spare us the 'self righteous Tyrone people' line Joe. Come up with something a little more positive and becoming of a GAA analyst of your stature.
In 2013 Joe was invited to speak at the GAA Congress about his 'Opt for Life' campaign. In that speech he spoke about the GAA being "separated from other societies by the quality of neighbourliness and community". He mentioned that phrase not once but several times during that speech. Joe also spoke about how "everyone in the GAA knows each other and cares for each other". Strange then that he seeks to lambast those lads he cares about so publicly. Strange that he picked last Sunday to drive home his points knowing all too well the circumstances within Tyrone. Frustrating that he's not called to task when he blatantly insults one of our own.
Damian
Damian Harvey refers to Joe Brolly's points as being "unchallanged". Harvey goes on to write an article about Joe Brolly and Joe Brolly's style. What challenges does he make about the accuracy of Brolly's points? What facts does he bring to the table to challenge Brolly's points. Mild mannered as it is what light on the debate does the article shine?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Can add Declan Bogue into the silent observer list, which coincidentally also consists the recipient of his tweet https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/585752721241858049?s=09

Oh oh. I'm in trouble now. I wish Declan had added the next sentence though, because I'm sure Ewan will say he has loads of opinions.

Limited to 140 characters, Declan you should have just posted the link to the whole lot  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:31:19 PM
The black card has not worked, can someone not pull Brolly up on this issue since he was its biggest supporter. It seems like plenty disagree with him but nobody has the guts to challenge him on the issues. He offers evidence of plenty of the problems but has yet to present a feasible solution to the ills of the modern game. 

Tyrone, and Mickey Harte in particular have been slated by him in recent years yet they have rarely failed to challenge him on some of his opinions. As a consequence he appears to have a license to say what he wants against them and create a public perception of them as being the enemies of football when the reality is they are no more culpable than most other counties.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
On the black card you and everyone else are free to challenge Brolly. Just point out which (or is it all) of the black card offences that you want to either legalise or reduce the penalty for? Just set out your rationale and your evidence. the floor is yours.

tyrone and Mickey Harte have not challenged Brolly. They have complained about him but they have not set out a counter argument
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:31:19 PM
The black card has not worked, can someone not pull Brolly up on this issue since he was his biggest supporter. It seems like plenty disagree with him but nobody has the guts to challenge him on the issues. He offers evidence of plenty of the problems but has yet to present a feasible solution to the ills of the modern game. 

Tyrone, and Mickey Harte in particular have been slated by him in recent years yet they have rarely failed to challenge him on some of his opinions. As a consequence he appears to have a license to say what he wants against them and create a public perception of them as being the enemies of football when the reality is they are no less culpable than most other counties.   

yellowcard. Why do you say the black card has 'not worked'? What aim of the black card do you think it has failed to achieve?

I think it has worked, by and large, and the only aims it has failed to achieve are aims ascribed to it by other people and those aims were never really aims of the black card in the first place.

As far as I am aware the black card was introduced to try and combat the spate of cynical fouling in the game. They focussed on a set of 5 fouls. (I would have added the jersey pull and diving myself, but I digress).

I think it is fair to say there has been a reduction in the number of off the ball body checks, deliberate pull downs and deliberate trips. So it has been a success in it's actual, stated, aims as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 08, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
On the black card you and everyone else are free to challenge Brolly. Just point out which (or is it all) of the black card offences that you want to either legalise or reduce the penalty for? Just set out your rationale and your evidence. the floor is yours.

tyrone and Mickey Harte have not challenged Brolly. They have complained about him but they have not set out a counter argument

Irrespective of whatever point he makes he seems to be quite agenda driven. In terms of football over the last number of years then Donegal's first year under McGuinness was as dire as it gets. Did he criticise them? A lot of his points are fuelled by the Tyrone - Derry rivalry

What's the old saying "play the ball not the man". When you "play the man" your point(s) is pretty much redundant. In the case of Joe Brolly and his Mickey Harte points to me they mean nothing. It's nothing but pettiness.  He's firing out way too many insults.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:31:19 PM
The black card has not worked, can someone not pull Brolly up on this issue since he was his biggest supporter. It seems like plenty disagree with him but nobody has the guts to challenge him on the issues. He offers evidence of plenty of the problems but has yet to present a feasible solution to the ills of the modern game. 

Tyrone, and Mickey Harte in particular have been slated by him in recent years yet they have rarely failed to challenge him on some of his opinions. As a consequence he appears to have a license to say what he wants against them and create a public perception of them as being the enemies of football when the reality is they are no less culpable than most other counties.   

yellowcard. Why do you say the black card has 'not worked'? What aim of the black card do you think it has failed to achieve?

I think it has worked, by and large, and the only aims it has failed to achieve are aims ascribed to it by other people and those aims were never really aims of the black card in the first place.

As far as I am aware the black card was introduced to try and combat the spate of cynical fouling in the game. They focussed on a set of 5 fouls. (I would have added the jersey pull and diving myself, but I digress).

I think it is fair to say there has been a reduction in the number of off the ball body checks, deliberate pull downs and deliberate trips. So it has been a success in it's actual, stated, aims as far as I can see.

It didn't need the introduction of a black card imo to tidy up these fouls. A sin bin system for specific fouls was a much better option imo. How often do we see teams in the lead cynically try and close games out in the last 5/10 minutes by deliberately fouling. In some instances it pays to get some form of sanctioning from the ref as it slows done the play and allows teams to reset into a defensive shape which was the intention of the foul in the first place. Ticks, yellows, blacks and reds is simply too much administration for referees and buys time for the offending team to filter men back. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 08, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
You Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly. The penning of that article is mad craic and more than a waste of time. It's giving Brolly more lime light!  Ignore the hooer and move on if he offends you so much. He done something amazing for our club recently so I have alot of admiration for him. But does flirt with controversy a little too often
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2015, 01:31:19 PM
The black card has not worked, can someone not pull Brolly up on this issue since he was his biggest supporter. It seems like plenty disagree with him but nobody has the guts to challenge him on the issues. He offers evidence of plenty of the problems but has yet to present a feasible solution to the ills of the modern game. 

Tyrone, and Mickey Harte in particular have been slated by him in recent years yet they have rarely failed to challenge him on some of his opinions. As a consequence he appears to have a license to say what he wants against them and create a public perception of them as being the enemies of football when the reality is they are no less culpable than most other counties.   

yellowcard. Why do you say the black card has 'not worked'? What aim of the black card do you think it has failed to achieve?

I think it has worked, by and large, and the only aims it has failed to achieve are aims ascribed to it by other people and those aims were never really aims of the black card in the first place.

As far as I am aware the black card was introduced to try and combat the spate of cynical fouling in the game. They focussed on a set of 5 fouls. (I would have added the jersey pull and diving myself, but I digress).

I think it is fair to say there has been a reduction in the number of off the ball body checks, deliberate pull downs and deliberate trips. So it has been a success in it's actual, stated, aims as far as I can see.

It didn't need the introduction of a black card imo to tidy up these fouls. A sin bin system for specific fouls was a much better option imo. How often do we see teams in the lead cynically try and close games out in the last 5/10 minutes by deliberately fouling. In some instances it pays to get some form of sanctioning from the ref as it slows done the play and allows teams to reset into a defensive shape which was the intention of the foul in the first place. Ticks, yellows, blacks and reds is simply too much administration for referees and buys time for the offending team to filter men back.

I agree with the sin bin. I thought that was the way to go, but unfortunately that was shot down before it ever had a chance to show what it might have done. In he absence of the sin bin, I think the black card is a decent alternative for this specific purpose.

It may not stop the cynical stuff in the last 5 minutes, but it does help in the cynical stuff which was going on out the field for the preceding 65 minutes as well! I always hark back to the Cavan Kerry game a few years ago. Kerry gave a masterclass that day in cynical fouling out the field where there was no danger imminent, and they were well in control. Now I'm a big fan of Kerry, but that day was a perfect example of how that sort of thing had been implemented in a game plan to kill momentum of a counter attack and was basically punishment free. The black card has eliminated that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 08, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Apart from the fact Kerry still did it last sunday  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 02:26:50 PM
I think most of that is the drag back, which I think should be a black card offence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
On the black card you and everyone else are free to challenge Brolly. Just point out which (or is it all) of the black card offences that you want to either legalise or reduce the penalty for? Just set out your rationale and your evidence. the floor is yours.

tyrone and Mickey Harte have not challenged Brolly. They have complained about him but they have not set out a counter argument

The black card in itself is not necessarily the issue as nobody can argue that the offences are indeed fouls, (though personally, I think it was uncalled for as there was sanctions in place for all the offences if applied correctly orif we had to change something a 10 min sin bin would have been much more effective) But the big thing for me is the unintended consequences. At the risk if repeating myself, in my opinion, the fear of the black card had led to much more withdrawn defences. This was a consequence that was flagged up by many coaches during the discussion before its implementation. This makes me wonder whether current coaches actually played any part of the consultation process or were those involved arrogant enough to think their ideas would save football without any trial period or input from those who would be working with it (or around it) Those who shout loudest get heard and Joe shouts very loud. I don't think for one minute that Joe had the tactical understanding to think what the consequences may be. Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works? Explain it to us Joe? Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it? Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route? Has he an understanding of the pressures involved in managing a county at the top level - explain what it's like to us Joe? Surely, with all these people he talks to, he can get an inkling to put together a proper analysis of modern football. I'd challenge Joe to watch the Tyrone v Kerry game and ignore any populist bullshit and analyse the game, the tactics and what the teams were trying to do? I've have never seen him or read an article were he has done this. Ultimately though, this phase will pass and the game will move on but shouty people's opinions need to treated with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.

I agree but not to the level we are seeing now. I believe about 12 months ago people were commenting that Dublin had brought a fresh attacking approach that teams were adopting, Tyrone even went man for man in the league!!! Now, a year and a half after the black card and we are talking 14 man defences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
I think that's more to do with the fact that Dublin blew people away with that approach.

But actually, when you think about it, the fouls I'm talking about up the field were specifically committed to allow the teammates to get back into the blanket defences, or at least into their defensive positions, and stopped quick counters.  Damned if you do, and damned if you don't I suppose.

Pre-Black card you could commit more to attack, foul if you lost it, and retreat.

Post Black card you don't commit as many men forward in the first place.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
I think that's more to do with the fact that Dublin blew people away with that approach.

But actually, when you think about it, the fouls I'm talking about up the field were specifically committed to allow the teammates to get back into the blanket defences, or at least into their defensive positions, and stopped quick counters.  Damned if you do, and damned if you don't I suppose.

Pre-Black card you could commit more to attack, foul if you lost it, and retreat.

Post Black card you don't commit as many men forward in the first place.

Yes, it's very difficult but I wouldn't want my star forward (Steven O'Neill for example who could be a reckless tackler) risking a black card tackling up the pitch. Much better to concede possession, drop everyone back, create a zonal defence and force a team into mistakes without having to put your own player at risk of a card. The other factor is running the ball from deep, and much as I whole heartedly agree that checking the runner off the ball is a foul we needed to stop, it's eradication has resulted in making carrying the ball and attacking in waves from deep, with the ball in hand, much more attractive. So the logical result is flood your defence and attack in waves of hand passing. Again, it brings us back to your point though, your damned if you do etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.

We did it 7 years ago in 2008. I remember Mickey Harte at the time lambasting us saying we were just getting bodies behind the ball and not offering an attacking strategy, which wasn't strictly true. Plus we didn't have enough decent attackers to play in the 6 traditional positions, which forced our hand. Looking back though we were years ahead of our time, will be a while before we can say that again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:29:12 PM
Do you remember the game I'm talking about Croi? God it was painful. Dessie had slightly more success against our bullshite than Nialler did against yers. If I remember correctly Offaly only tried out this approach fairly shortly before that game, because Westmeath were known to set up like that. It was horrendous. Good job it was a nice evening in Tullamore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.

We did it 7 years ago in 2008. I remember Mickey Harte at the time lambasting us saying we were just getting bodies behind the ball and not offering an attacking strategy, which wasn't strictly true. Plus we didn't have enough decent attackers to play in the 6 traditional positions, which forced our hand. Looking back though we were years ahead of our time, will be a while before we can say that again.

So all this is Westmeath's fault?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:32:11 PM
This is the match report. It was relatively high scoring 2-11 to 1-8, but the style of play was putrid. And it was 2008!!!!! The years are going too quickly.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2008/0607/232921-westmeath_offaly/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2008/0607/232921-westmeath_offaly/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:29:12 PM
Do you remember the game I'm talking about Croi? God it was painful. Dessie had slightly more success against our bullshite than Nialler did against yers. If I remember correctly Offaly only tried out this approach fairly shortly before that game, because Westmeath were known to set up like that. It was horrendous. Good job it was a nice evening in Tullamore.

I sure do, that game was in 2008 and was the game where Dessie flew in by helicopter from Gary's wedding where he was best man. Flan also picked up a nasty knee injury which ruled him out of starting the Dublin game when he was playing probably his most consistent football ever that year. I remember saying at the time that it was madness Offaly trying to copycat our gameplan, which would have been totally alien to them. Although that's now the accepted method to adopt against the blanket.

That was also in the aftermath of Cowen getting the top job, Tullamore still had the bunting and flags up. So we can now link the demise of football to the demise of the country so where is the so called recovery?

Edit: You beat me to it with the report. Strangly I don't remember the game being as turgent as the report suggests. The victory in the heart of bandit country, the fine day that it was and Dessie's dummy and point from the corner of the field probably colour my reflections on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:57:21 PM
I was standing on the terrace with Dermot Brady and another friend of mine from Ballinagore. The game started with us slagging one another as per usual, but after a while we were just looking at it shaking our heads. They didn't even give me a going over at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:57:21 PMThey didn't even give me a going over at the end of the game.

A wasted opportunity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
I know. And I didn't even have the heart to give out about Dessie getting Sullivan sent off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 08, 2015, 04:07:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.

We did it 7 years ago in 2008. I remember Mickey Harte at the time lambasting us saying we were just getting bodies behind the ball and not offering an attacking strategy, which wasn't strictly true. Plus we didn't have enough decent attackers to play in the 6 traditional positions, which forced our hand. Looking back though we were years ahead of our time, will be a while before we can say that again.

So all this is Westmeath's fault?

Wheren't Donegal at it back in 03 in the q final replay against Galway in Castlebar?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on April 08, 2015, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:29:12 PM
Do you remember the game I'm talking about Croi? God it was painful. Dessie had slightly more success against our bullshite than Nialler did against yers. If I remember correctly Offaly only tried out this approach fairly shortly before that game, because Westmeath were known to set up like that. It was horrendous. Good job it was a nice evening in Tullamore.

I sure do, that game was in 2008 and was the game where Dessie flew in by helicopter from Gary's wedding where he was best man. Flan also picked up a nasty knee injury which ruled him out of starting the Dublin game when he was playing probably his most consistent football ever that year. I remember saying at the time that it was madness Offaly trying to copycat our gameplan, which would have been totally alien to them. Although that's now the accepted method to adopt against the blanket.

Correct, Westmeath had being doing the blanket defence all year to good effect and Offaly, lead by the disastrous Pat Roe opted to do the same for the first time for that game. 
Westmeath lost by a small margin to the Dubs in the next round, which in retrospect justifies the approach even more, considering some of the rogerings they've gotten since against the Jacks.

In the qualifiers, Westmeath went up to Omagh and gave Tyrone a lesson in defensive play and only lost by 2 points. I remember late on, they had a shot that rolled just wide across an empty goal. A couple of inches the other way and Kerry would have snuck in for another easy Sam, while Tyrone saved the hay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 08, 2015, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 08, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
One thing about that Benny, though, is that the blanket defense, and the tactical approach to keeping things tight, was already well under way before last year. This is not a new development, it's just getting more common. As I said, Offaly and Westmeath played out a sterile, boring, defensive game at least 3 years ago.

We did it 7 years ago in 2008. I remember Mickey Harte at the time lambasting us saying we were just getting bodies behind the ball and not offering an attacking strategy, which wasn't strictly true. Plus we didn't have enough decent attackers to play in the 6 traditional positions, which forced our hand. Looking back though we were years ahead of our time, will be a while before we can say that again.

So all this is Westmeath's fault?

It really is starting to look that way. What a shower....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 08, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
On the black card you and everyone else are free to challenge Brolly. Just point out which (or is it all) of the black card offences that you want to either legalise or reduce the penalty for? Just set out your rationale and your evidence. the floor is yours.

tyrone and Mickey Harte have not challenged Brolly. They have complained about him but they have not set out a counter argument

Irrespective of whatever point he makes he seems to be quite agenda driven. In terms of football over the last number of years then Donegal's first year under McGuinness was as dire as it gets. Did he criticise them? A lot of his points are fuelled by the Tyrone - Derry rivalry

What's the old saying "play the ball not the man". When you "play the man" your point(s) is pretty much redundant. In the case of Joe Brolly and his Mickey Harte points to me they mean nothing. It's nothing but pettiness.  He's firing out way too many insults.

Surely its unimportant if he has an agenda. Its far more important to evaluate the merits of his points. What is the argument that his points are incorrect/invalid? Are you playing the man or the ball?

Is your point that his criticism of Donegal os wrong or that the viewpoint is correct but he is not allowed to state that view because he was initially quiet on the subject? Are you playing the man or the ball?

On Harte specifically he is criticisng Tyrone's style of play. Is that criticism not valid? is he not also criticising other counties - including his own? This cannot be dismissed as simple Derry-Tyrone rivalry. Have not other commentators made similar points? No doubt these commentators from other counties are still infected with Tyrone-Derry rivalry????

Or maybe its easier for you to play the man?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

I've read and listened to the man enough to know that his analysis consists of whatever bluster floats into his head at the time. He does not and never has analysed a game from a tactical point of view. But throw up a link to the analysis your talking about. But he is very good at convincing people that he is making perfect sense - it is his day job after all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on April 08, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
hmmm..so Joe Brolly is now public enemy number 1 in Tyrone ? You lads loved him when he was taking pot shots at us !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 08, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
hmmm..so Joe Brolly is now public enemy number 1 in Tyrone ? You lads loved him when he was taking pot shots at us !

I didn't and he's still taking pot shots at you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on April 08, 2015, 09:19:30 PM
go on, be honest, you lapped it up when he was on the Tyrone bandwagon. What is amazing is how you lads didn't see it coming. You should have known he always backs the winner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 08, 2015, 09:19:30 PM
go on, be honest, you lapped it up when he was on the Tyrone bandwagon. What is amazing is how you lads didn't see it coming. You should have known he always backs the winner.

I agree, he does always back the winner, it's his lazy style of analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on April 08, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Brolly is right. The big question is why he is only coming out with these criticisms now ?

I always remember hearing the phrase "you have to earn the right to play football" in the noughties and wondering what exactly it meant. I guess Brolly finally figured out the obvious implication of euphemisms like that. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?

Current coaches certainly not. They've all adopted the herd mentality of abdicating their responsibilities of coaching teams instead to play like a bunch of gorillas on day release from Dublin Zoo. Throw a few bananas in a team's own half and watch their all congregate there.

Its not rocket science how to fix it. You make it sound like nuclear physics. Because you want it to be so complicated nobody will do anything about it.

The preserve of county teams currently is the handpass. You limit the handpass.

You force teams to kick the ball and contest possession man to man. Even soccer and rugby have a contest for posession. GAA largely doesn't anymore. If I pass the ball back in soccer the keeper will have to kick it long 9 times out of 10- ie a contest for possession. If I gather the ball in rugby outside the 22 I'll have to run it through a wall or kick it high to regather- in the latter case a contest for possession.

Contrast that to Gaelic football. everyone stands in their own half because keepers are allowed to kick it short and teams are also allowed multiple 2 yards hand passes all the way up until somebody fouls them.

It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 11:53:24 PM
Can't wait to see these dublin kick passers unleashed because the current team run everything - done at pace I'll ggrant you but giving dublin a "kicking" tag is laughable.

Middle third are all athletic runners
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on April 09, 2015, 12:48:36 AM
We should have a competition. Longest footpass seen in the last 6 months. From all accounts our crossfield balls against Tyrone are up there. Surely there are longer ? 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 09, 2015, 05:16:28 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 09, 2015, 12:48:36 AM
We should have a competition. Longest footpass seen in the last 6 months. From all accounts our crossfield balls against Tyrone are up there. Surely there are longer ?

Yeah its bound to be one of those Hail Mary's yous lumped into Donaghy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2015, 11:51:06 PM
Indiana, you keep telling people to start their own association or go to another sport. You are the one who wants to change the game we have??

He didn't say who should be entrusted with deciding rule changes. Presumably just All Ireland medal winning wannabe coaches who can only see football played their way as being fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 09, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?

Current coaches certainly not. They've all adopted the herd mentality of abdicating their responsibilities of coaching teams instead to play like a bunch of gorillas on day release from Dublin Zoo. Throw a few bananas in a team's own half and watch their all congregate there.

Its not rocket science how to fix it. You make it sound like nuclear physics. Because you want it to be so complicated nobody will do anything about it.

The preserve of county teams currently is the handpass. You limit the handpass.

You force teams to kick the ball and contest possession man to man. Even soccer and rugby have a contest for posession. GAA largely doesn't anymore. If I pass the ball back in soccer the keeper will have to kick it long 9 times out of 10- ie a contest for possession. If I gather the ball in rugby outside the 22 I'll have to run it through a wall or kick it high to regather- in the latter case a contest for possession.

Contrast that to Gaelic football. everyone stands in their own half because keepers are allowed to kick it short and teams are also allowed multiple 2 yards hand passes all the way up until somebody fouls them.

It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

So let's tailor the game so the only way it can be played is in a way which will be most advantageous to Dublin?? (coincidentally your team...)

That's not really how sport works...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 09, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 08, 2015, 05:14:25 PMIn the qualifiers, Westmeath went up to Omagh and gave Tyrone a lesson in defensive play and only lost by 2 points. I remember late on, they had a shot that rolled just wide across an empty goal. A couple of inches the other way and Kerry would have snuck in for another easy Sam, while Tyrone saved the hay.

Close. It was Dessie with that shot but there was a keeper in the way so that's why he went for the corner and the ensuing near miss across goal. That was after playing the second half with 14 men after Doran Harte was sent off after a bout of theatrics. Which neatly brings the discussion back to Brolly and his jibe at Jordan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?

Current coaches certainly not. They've all adopted the herd mentality of abdicating their responsibilities of coaching teams instead to play like a bunch of gorillas on day release from Dublin Zoo. Throw a few bananas in a team's own half and watch their all congregate there.

Its not rocket science how to fix it. You make it sound like nuclear physics. Because you want it to be so complicated nobody will do anything about it.

The preserve of county teams currently is the handpass. You limit the handpass.

You force teams to kick the ball and contest possession man to man. Even soccer and rugby have a contest for posession. GAA largely doesn't anymore. If I pass the ball back in soccer the keeper will have to kick it long 9 times out of 10- ie a contest for possession. If I gather the ball in rugby outside the 22 I'll have to run it through a wall or kick it high to regather- in the latter case a contest for possession.

Contrast that to Gaelic football. everyone stands in their own half because keepers are allowed to kick it short and teams are also allowed multiple 2 yards hand passes all the way up until somebody fouls them.

It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

So let's tailor the game so the only way it can be played is in a way which will be most advantageous to Dublin?? (coincidentally your team...)

That's not really how sport works...

It works by allowing the skills of the game to be shown . There are a lot of crap teams and equally crap coaches being saved by the current rules by being allowed to play a game that is so removed from what Gaelic football was envisaged it is nearly a different sport

If the footpass was removed from Gaelic Football most counties would be happy because most of them are uncomfortable kicking the ball. I watched one Tyrone player last week give 17 hand passes and no foot pass. And he probably thinks he's a good player . Ha ha
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 09, 2015, 12:16:07 PM
In 1992 Matt Molloy played the All Ireland Final against Dublin and never kicked the ball once. I don't have an issue with the Hand Pass, in fact the Kerry teams of the Golden Era used the hand pass a lot (Including Bomber's goals!). When it is used as part of a quick movement of ball, I don't think there's anything boring or wrong with it.

That said, the quickest way of moving the ball is the kick pass, and that would be my preferred option where it is 'on', but you need movement, skills and space to execute that. The blanket defence chokes the space and limits the movement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?

Current coaches certainly not. They've all adopted the herd mentality of abdicating their responsibilities of coaching teams instead to play like a bunch of gorillas on day release from Dublin Zoo. Throw a few bananas in a team's own half and watch their all congregate there.

Its not rocket science how to fix it. You make it sound like nuclear physics. Because you want it to be so complicated nobody will do anything about it.

The preserve of county teams currently is the handpass. You limit the handpass.

You force teams to kick the ball and contest possession man to man. Even soccer and rugby have a contest for posession. GAA largely doesn't anymore. If I pass the ball back in soccer the keeper will have to kick it long 9 times out of 10- ie a contest for possession. If I gather the ball in rugby outside the 22 I'll have to run it through a wall or kick it high to regather- in the latter case a contest for possession.

Contrast that to Gaelic football. everyone stands in their own half because keepers are allowed to kick it short and teams are also allowed multiple 2 yards hand passes all the way up until somebody fouls them.

It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

So let's tailor the game so the only way it can be played is in a way which will be most advantageous to Dublin?? (coincidentally your team...)

That's not really how sport works...

It works by allowing the skills of the game to be shown . There are a lot of crap teams and equally crap coaches being saved by the current rules by being allowed to play a game that is so removed from what Gaelic football was envisaged it is nearly a different sport

If the footpass was removed from Gaelic Football most counties would be happy because most of them are uncomfortable kicking the ball. I watched one Tyrone player last week give 17 hand passes and no foot pass. And he probably thinks he's a good player . Ha ha

Imagine a sport where teams with lesser ability use tactics to get the better of another team. That's a mad concept and would never catch on in any other sport. It's particularly unfair to the likes of Dublin who crave a level playing field for Gaelic football and shouldn't be made to work to get results. By the way, there's more to the game than just kicking the ball, but you will also have noticed while watching Sunday's game some excellent KICKED points too, from distance by both teams, but that doesn't suit your argument as you just want everyone to turn around and hoof it. By your own logic of watching something else if you don't like what's on offer then you'd be better off going to watch this... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Kick_Fada_Championship
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 09, 2015, 12:23:18 PM
Just to put a bit of perspective on the Nordie bashing!!

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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/dig-deeper-to-see-true-reasons-for-defensive-malaise-in-gaelic-football-323000.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/dig-deeper-to-see-true-reasons-for-defensive-malaise-in-gaelic-football-323000.html)

PADDY HEANEY: Dig deeper to see true reasons for defensive malaise in Gaelic football

Back in the day when I believed that politics could improve the lot of the common man, I used to be enthralled by the British general election, writes Paddy Heaney.


Neil Kinnock versus Maggie Thatcher; Labour versus Conservative, or, as I saw it: The forces of good versus the forces of evil.

It was gripping stuff and I dreamed of a victory for the red rose.

However, those aspirations were always scuppered by a particular feature of the British electorate, which used to leave me boiling with anger. Maggie won because a significant percentage of working class people in Britain routinely voted for the Conservative Party.

I could never get my head around that phenomenon until I read the autobiography of the comedian, Frank Skinner (real name: Christopher Collins).

Skinner's father was a factory worker and a semi-professional footballer from Co Durham. A bread-and-butter northerner, John Collins could have been a poster boy for the working class. Yet, John Collins voted Tory all his life.

Skinner's father had a reason for his voting behaviour. He believed that the public school boys of Eton and Harrow were born, bred and educated to make decisions which were beyond the compass of the ordinary man.

John Collins reckoned that the Tories should be put in charge, because that's exactly what they were raised to do.

Frank Skinner's autobiography helped me to understand a mindset that had baffled me for years. More recently, it made me realise that it's not just the British who believe in class hierarchy.

The same thinking exists in the GAA. For Kerry and Dublin, read Eton and Harrow. With their combined tally of 61 All-Ireland titles, it could be said that these two counties form the ruling classes of Gaelic football.

It would also appear that certain sections of the Irish population get distinctly uncomfortable when the peasants gain power. During the past 25 years, the peasants have been the upstarts from Ulster that dared to win maiden All-Ireland titles.

It needs to be stressed that when an Ulster team made a breakthrough, the initial success was roundly celebrated. The novelty was welcomed.

However, the collective celebrations never lasted too long. Once any Ulster team threatens to rise above their station, there is a quiet desire for them to be put back in their box.

This serf-like reverence for Dublin and Kerry becomes abundantly obvious whenever there is any debate concerning the state of Gaelic football.

Take the much-documented match between Dublin and Derry in Croke Park. On the night of the game, an online report on Hogan Stand stated that: "With 19,224 spectators struggling to stay awake, the northerners played with 14 men behind the ball at all times as the Leinster champions tried in vain to find the key to unlock their mass rearguard action."

That observation would give the impression that Derry pulled every man into defence and held off a Dublin team that attacked them in droves.

That didn't happen, though. Dublin played exactly the same way as Derry. They set up the same defensive screen and exercised the same caution as their opponents.

Yet, for some commentators, there was only team to blame for the spectacle which unfolded at HQ.

"Last week's Dublin-Derry match was pretty much the last word in shit. And that's because the shit was where Derry wanted to drag the game," wrote Eamon Sweeney in the Sunday Independent.

"Harsh words," as Jackie Fullerton would say. As an avid soccer fan, Sweeney's willingness to identify Derry as the arch-villains is surprising.

Let's put the game in context. Dublin have won 24 All-Ireland titles to Derry's solitary victory in 1993.

Dublin were playing at home in front of nearly 20,000 supporters. In their last contest at the same venue, the Dubs hammered Derry by 3-19 to 1-10. To avoid a similar bloodbath, Derry manager Brian McIver decided to park the bus.

When Premier League teams visit Old Trafford, they routinely defend with 11 men. It's par for the course. It doesn't generate any outcry.

However, imagine the reaction if Manchester United played with 11 men behind the ball during a home game against Hull. There would be mutiny.

Yet, this is exactly what Jim Gavin did when a Derry side fighting relegation came to Dublin. Despite the fact that Dublin were just as defensive as Derry, Gavin was able to peddle the line that his team were the hapless victims of northern intransigence.

"We have a few things to work on, but we played a very defensive team," said Gavin afterwards.

It's scarcely believable. Dublin defend with 14 men. Then the Dublin manager claims the opposition are "defensive", and fawning commentators continue to believe that the Dubs are the custodians of champagne football.

Jim Gavin likes to portray Dublin as paragons of attacking football and he was trumpeting that message after Sunday's 11-point win over Monaghan.

"We try to play an expansive game. Teams who have employed a different defensive system have been very, very successful and that's the way it is," said the Dublin manager.

There is only one problem with Gavin's statement. It's not entirely accurate. As a newcomer to Twitter (@HeaneyPaddy), I posted a couple of photographs from the game in Clones. In one of the pictures, when Monaghan were on the attack, Dublin had 14 players inside their own half of the field. Dublin were leading by five points at the time. I believe this is what Mr Sweeney would call: "The last word in shit."

Yet, Ireland after his team defended with 14 men when leading by five points.

Nevertheless, no-one blinked an eye when Gavin made this statement on Sunday. When I pointed out that Dublin had repeatedly defended with a dozen players, Gavin replied: "They were just following their men. If Monaghan players attack they have to be followed... I don't think you could suggest that we play a defensive game, but I certainly expect my players to follow their opposing markers when they go into our half and that's what we did."

Again, Gavin's claim doesn't withstand scrutiny. Look at the photograph. Five Monaghan players are standing in splendid isolation because their markers have joined Dublin's defensive scrum.

Every time Monaghan got the ball into the scoring zone, Dublin defended in the same manner. Nearly every player in the team retreated into one half of the field.

Yet, any neutral observer listening to the debate surrounding the emphasis being placed on defensive football would quickly leap to the conclusion that it's a strategy mainly employed by northern teams. Dublin are above that sort of thing.

As for Kerry, on Sunday they committed 34 fouls to Tyrone's 14. A one-off occurrence? When the All-Ireland champions visited Celtic Park in February, they committed almost three times as many fouls as Derry in the first half (21-8). At full-time the foul count read: Kerry 32 Derry 18.

However, it is Ulster teams that are supposed to be the main perpetrators of negative tactics. Again, there can be a stark contrast between perceptions and facts.

Still, it is good that a debate is taking place about the ultra-negative game plans dominating Gaelic football.

However, the debate needs to centre on what is actually happening. It should be fuelled by evidence and not by the misguided notions of men behind keyboards who still can't see that the emperor's team is defending with 14 players.

Follow Paddy Heaney on twitter: @HeaneyPaddy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 09, 2015, 12:34:24 PM
If the guy was on the Tyrone team then he probably was decent enough Indiana. Hand passing sometimes happens due to systems etc.

I don't go to too many live games but make the odd one. One of the best performances I've seen was Donegal against Kerry in 2012. They didn't make that many kick passes but the speed they broke at was phenomenal to watch. I would bet if you viewed that game you viewed it very differently...

From what I read of what you write I think you have a "traditional" view of how the game should be played and don't like deviating from that hence trying to suggest all these rule changes to bring it back to your traditional approach.

1-15 don't need to be superb kick passers either. In my view CHB, CHF and at least one of two midfielders should be your key passers. (Kick passing was actually the most under rated of Dara O'Se's qualies in my view and something that stodd him out from just being a great ball winner to a great player). Dublin have evolved it so the goalie is a key person too. (Well actually Cluxton)

Why , for example, would a corner back need to be a great kick passer?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on April 09, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward an analysis of how the blanket works?
Yes. Repeatedly[/b]

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he put forward a tactical analysis of how to work around it?
No

Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
Has he suggested reasons why managers are going down this route?
Yes. Its a single point but he has repeated it often enough

If you read or listen to the man you would know this. Don't let that stop you

Post up Brolly's analysis of the packed defence there when you get a chance - i'd love to read it.

In my experience, Brolly hasn't the first breeze about the game, how gameplans have developed and why. He has no understanding watching a game what teams are trying to achieve - that's patently obvious from his contributions during RTE broadcasts.

The advent of twitter has given a platform and even credibility to people who should have no input into proposing rule changes within the GAA. Given the demand for "live" news through that and other mediums now, media outlets are only too happy to make a headline out of some dramatic "look at me" quote from mediocre past players who usually have not coached at any significant level.

Reputation in my own county would place the new chairman of the rules advisory group, or whatever they're calling them this time round, at the bottom of the pile if you were nominating someone to systematically and coherently analyse the need for rule changes. Of course the mandating of this committee at all implies the need for rule changes and preordains that there will be proposals brought forward. Not a great starting point.

If there must be another review of the playing rules, and I object strongly to that pretense, then who are the best people to conduct the review?

Administrators? from what level?
managers? from what level?
coaches? from what level?
players? from what level?
non playing members?
the press / media?
former players? from what level?
spectators?

Current coaches certainly not. They've all adopted the herd mentality of abdicating their responsibilities of coaching teams instead to play like a bunch of gorillas on day release from Dublin Zoo. Throw a few bananas in a team's own half and watch their all congregate there.

Its not rocket science how to fix it. You make it sound like nuclear physics. Because you want it to be so complicated nobody will do anything about it.

The preserve of county teams currently is the handpass. You limit the handpass.

You force teams to kick the ball and contest possession man to man. Even soccer and rugby have a contest for posession. GAA largely doesn't anymore. If I pass the ball back in soccer the keeper will have to kick it long 9 times out of 10- ie a contest for possession. If I gather the ball in rugby outside the 22 I'll have to run it through a wall or kick it high to regather- in the latter case a contest for possession.

Contrast that to Gaelic football. everyone stands in their own half because keepers are allowed to kick it short and teams are also allowed multiple 2 yards hand passes all the way up until somebody fouls them.

It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

So let's tailor the game so the only way it can be played is in a way which will be most advantageous to Dublin?? (coincidentally your team...)

That's not really how sport works...

It works by allowing the skills of the game to be shown . There are a lot of crap teams and equally crap coaches being saved by the current rules by being allowed to play a game that is so removed from what Gaelic football was envisaged it is nearly a different sport

If the footpass was removed from Gaelic Football most counties would be happy because most of them are uncomfortable kicking the ball. I watched one Tyrone player last week give 17 hand passes and no foot pass. And he probably thinks he's a good player . Ha ha

Don't spose you did the same for any of the Dublin players? From watching them previously they would have multiple players in this category every game they play. And I bet you think they're good players  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Good article by Heaney

The incredible sense of entitlement within Dublin never ceases to amaze. Kerry have it but seem to pull it off with some dignity. Surely the main reason for their current bluster is that they know there's a good chance they will come unstuck again from the quarter finals on, and heaven forbid it's those dirty northerners again
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Good article by Heaney

The incredible sense of entitlement within Dublin never ceases to amaze. Kerry have it but seem to pull it off with some dignity. Surely the main reason for their current bluster is that they know there's a good chance they will come unstuck again from the quarter finals on, and heaven forbid it's those dirty northerners again

. We have the games interests at heart . You only have your own petty self interest in preserving a type of football nobody wants to watch . And on a consistent basis you can't eveh deliver that

setup your own 9 team association and rename it. The rest of us will play the game of gaelic football . You won't be missed . I laugh at your sense of entitlement that you think we would miss you .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 09, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Good article by Heaney

The incredible sense of entitlement within Dublin never ceases to amaze. Kerry have it but seem to pull it off with some dignity. Surely the main reason for their current bluster is that they know there's a good chance they will come unstuck again from the quarter finals on, and heaven forbid it's those dirty northerners again

. We have the games interests at heart . You only have your own petty self interest in preserving a type of football nobody wants to watch . And on a consistent basis you can't eveh deliver that

setup your own 9 team association and rename it. The rest of us will play the game of gaelic football . You won't be missed . I laugh at your sense of entitlement that you think we would miss you .

You are the one that wants the game changed  ::)
How about you set up your own association for your own sport.
There can be no tackling allowed, kickpass only, all teams must wear sky blue, I suggest you call it 'Indianaball'
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 09, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Good article by Heaney

The incredible sense of entitlement within Dublin never ceases to amaze. Kerry have it but seem to pull it off with some dignity. Surely the main reason for their current bluster is that they know there's a good chance they will come unstuck again from the quarter finals on, and heaven forbid it's those dirty northerners again

. We have the games interests at heart . You only have your own petty self interest in preserving a type of football nobody wants to watch . And on a consistent basis you can't eveh deliver that

setup your own 9 team association and rename it. The rest of us will play the game of gaelic football . You won't be missed . I laugh at your sense of entitlement that you think we would miss you .

You are the one that wants the game changed  ::)
How about you set up your own association for your own sport.
There can be no tackling allowed, kickpass only, all teams must wear sky blue, I suggest you call it 'Indianaball'

Gaelic football has all of those things. The sport you lot play should have the term football removed. Gaelic mud wrestling would be a good name for your type of football I'm sure Benny Coulter would agree.

Feel sorry for the likes of Darren Mc Curry. He'd he appreciated better down South where accurate score taking forwards are better appreciated then the strong, fit , fast hand passing model that pervades up North .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 09, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
Which part is it you have a problem with, players being strong, fit, or able to handpass?
Northern football has produced as many top class forwards as anywhere else so im not sure why you keep trying to turn this into a north v south debate, when its really a debate on opposing styles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 09, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Good article by Heaney

The incredible sense of entitlement within Dublin never ceases to amaze. Kerry have it but seem to pull it off with some dignity. Surely the main reason for their current bluster is that they know there's a good chance they will come unstuck again from the quarter finals on, and heaven forbid it's those dirty northerners again

. We have the games interests at heart . You only have your own petty self interest in preserving a type of football nobody wants to watch . And on a consistent basis you can't eveh deliver that

setup your own 9 team association and rename it. The rest of us will play the game of gaelic football . You won't be missed . I laugh at your sense of entitlement that you think we would miss you .

You're a partitionist at heart. I was gonna type more but can't be bothered. The sun's shining
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
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It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

Very good, you've just described to a 'T' one of your own pre-eminent midfielders! :P

You're coming out with as much sanctimonious shite as Jim Gavin does these days Indiana, or should I say Jim? :) ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 05:58:54 PM

Laughable given that the dubs are a complete running team under galvin
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 09, 2015, 07:26:16 PM
In case nobody has pointed it out yet, there's a difference between not kicking the ball and not being able to kick the ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 07:28:33 PM

As a further point of clarification, there is a difference between kicking and kick passing a ball
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on April 09, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
i think it's unfair to label the Dubs a handpassing team - I think we mix it really well. In both the All ireland winning years this decade it was all about quick transfer, and Flynn's kickpassing to the inside line is a real weapon when we're on song.

That said, I don't really see how anyone could expect Derry to suffer the same type of mauling as they did last year, when they could do something about it. There are shades of grey in the debate - I'd be completely against coaches setting out defensive systems for the sake of it, or as an ideological position. But given that I've played as a back in any team that i ever played in, whatever the sport, I'd be a great devotee of the old cliche "the game starts at nil-nil - don't let it get any worse than that". The tightening of the dubs defense gave us the platform to build the attacking game on, and it does take time to evolve. Compare the one man show that was Berno in 2010 to the more evolved attacking options in 2011, to the all out game in 2013.

I don't agree at all about Dublin entitlement. It becomes very easy for people to forget about the very real crisis of self belief that Dublin went through post 95 all the way up to 2009, and in a county our size, that counts as a real famine. But we should have a voice in the debate, as the way we won the All Ireland in 2013 sparked (scare) stories about a possible Dublin decade, and other hype about how other teams could possibly live with us. No one can convince me that this external hype wasn't a huge spur to coaches determined not to be exposed.

The irony of course was that none of it was true. Dublin did have a devastating way of playing in 2013, but they only beat Kerry in the dying seconds, and the 7 point margin was completely flattering, whilst Mayo could (should, given their first half display?) won the final.

A lot of football coaches at the moment are like Don Quixote, looking at windmills and seeing big blue giants, but 2014 has proved that there is no huge gap between the Dubs and the next four, say, top contenders. The big gap is between Division 1 and everywhere else, and because we play more lower division sides come champo than Kerry would, the hype revs up again. Not really our fault, and certainly, the "entitled" Dublin fan is usually a bandwagon jumper who knows f@~k all about the game.

As for Brolly, he is good craic, but hugely inconsistent and illogical in his crusades over the years. Two years ago he loved Donegal, before that the Dubs, before that Tyrone all for completely different footballing reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and he communicates his very well, but i would baulk at the personalised nature of his comments. And his columns are syrupy, sentimental, anecdotal shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 05:58:54 PM

Laughable given that the dubs are a complete running team under galvin

They are of course thats why they scored 22 points last weekend. All of them handpassed over the bar I suppose

And you have the temerity to call me laughable. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
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It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

Very good, you've just described to a 'T' one of your own pre-eminent midfielders! :P

You're coming out with as much sanctimonious shite as Jim Gavin does these days Indiana, or should I say Jim? :) ;)

Sanctimonious? - You don't want a debate. You just want the status quo.  some of us aren't interested in watching this shite anymore.

You guys invented the blanket defence. Except now its not a blanket- it's a reinforced concrete wall and you've no interest in debating anything else.

If that's the case just bring in partition again for GAA purposes and you can amuse yourselves to your heart's content.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 05:58:54 PM

Laughable given that the dubs are a complete running team under galvin

They are of course thats why they scored 22 points last weekend. All of them handpassed over the bar I suppose

And you have the temerity to call me laughable. ;D

Just out of interest and given that this is your own method of measurement, how many Tyrone points were hand passed over the bar this weekend?. Also, they kicked 17 points against the All Ireland Champions, your guys only managed 1-10 against the same opposition. No harm to you Indiana, but some of the points you're making on this are complete toilet, I can only conclude you are on the wind up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 05:58:54 PM

Laughable given that the dubs are a complete running team under galvin

They are of course thats why they scored 22 points last weekend. All of them handpassed over the bar I suppose

And you have the temerity to call me laughable. ;D

Just out of interest and given that this is your own method of measurement, how many Tyrone points were hand passed over the bar this weekend?. Also, they kicked 17 points against the All Ireland Champions, your guys only managed 1-10 against the same opposition. To be fair Indiana, some of the points your making on this are complete toilet, I can only conclude you are on the wind up.

This is a predominantly Northern GAA website and you guys have no interest in anything but the status quo.

You don't want the other side of the argument because you'd all have to change your game-plans which are all largely built off the same template.

So you're determined to :

a) Put every obstacle in the way of a real debate

b) Make the changing of the rules so complicated that it will put anyone off actually trying to implement any

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 05:58:54 PM

Laughable given that the dubs are a complete running team under galvin

They are of course thats why they scored 22 points last weekend. All of them handpassed over the bar I suppose

And you have the temerity to call me laughable. ;D

Just out of interest and given that this is your own method of measurement, how many Tyrone points were hand passed over the bar this weekend?. Also, they kicked 17 points against the All Ireland Champions, your guys only managed 1-10 against the same opposition. To be fair Indiana, some of the points your making on this are complete toilet, I can only conclude you are on the wind up.

This is a predominantly Northern GAA website and you guys have no interest in anything but the status quo.

You don't want the other side of the argument because you'd all have to change your game-plans which are all largely built off the same template.

So you're determined to :

a) Put every obstacle in the way of a real debate

b) Make the changing of the rules so complicated that it will put anyone off actually trying to implement any

I'm very interested in debating the tactics, rules etc. but saying you scored 22 points and didn't fist any of them over the bar is just childish nonsense and hardly a basis for debate.

Thankfully though, some people stand up to crazy fools trying to change the rules of our great game after every bad game that happens to be on TV.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
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It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

Very good, you've just described to a 'T' one of your own pre-eminent midfielders! :P

You're coming out with as much sanctimonious shite as Jim Gavin does these days Indiana, or should I say Jim? :) ;)

Sanctimonious? - You don't want a debate. You just want the status quo.  some of us aren't interested in watching this shite anymore.

You guys invented the blanket defence. Except now its not a blanket- it's a reinforced concrete wall and you've no interest in debating anything else.

If that's the case just bring in partition again for GAA purposes and you can amuse yourselves to your heart's content.

Debate any day, but let's (try to) keep it grounded in reality, none of this rose-tinted shite that you and Gavin come out with.

easytiger95, for example, is not afraid to call it as he sees it, good, bad, indifferent, and plain ugly.

What, for example, is your riposte to Heaney's article, or are you happy just to gloss over such uncomfortable realities? Uncomfortable indeed, but such is the football coalface, but then those 14 Dubs behind their own halfway line were merely mirages, right?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 08, 2015, 11:45:06 PM
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It depends on what you want. If you want basketball there is always the NBA- if you want GAA let's see some kicking. It's laughable that it's possible to get to senior inter county football by being strong, fit and a good handpasser.

A lot of teams are against this because the two best kick-passing teams in Ireland are Dublin and Kerry.

Very good, you've just described to a 'T' one of your own pre-eminent midfielders! :P

You're coming out with as much sanctimonious shite as Jim Gavin does these days Indiana, or should I say Jim? :) ;)

Sanctimonious? - You don't want a debate. You just want the status quo.  some of us aren't interested in watching this shite anymore.

You guys invented the blanket defence. Except now its not a blanket- it's a reinforced concrete wall and you've no interest in debating anything else.

If that's the case just bring in partition again for GAA purposes and you can amuse yourselves to your heart's content.

Debate any day, but let's (try to) keep it grounded in reality, none of this rose-tinted shite that you and Gavin come out with.

easytiger95, for example, is not afraid to call it as he sees it, good, bad, indifferent, and plain ugly.

What, for example, is your riposte to Heaney's article, or are you happy just to gloss over such uncomfortable realities? Uncomfortable indeed, but such is the football coalface, but then those 14 Dubs behind their own halfway line were merely mirages, right?

I stopped reading Heaney a long time ago. I don't read the print media on the GAA north-or south. I form my own opinions on the games I watch and the teams I coach and the teams I end up coaching against.

The Independent media group are utterly biased towards kerry

Heaney's articles are for a Northern audience and they utterly biased towards that and always have been and if you read as much of them as you claim too- you'll know I'm right on that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 09, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2015, 10:38:51 PM
I stopped reading Heaney a long time ago. I don't read the print media on the GAA north-or south. I form my own opinions on the games I watch and the teams I coach and the teams I end up coaching against.

His articles are for a Northern audience and they utterly biased towards that and always have been and if you read as much of them as you claim too- you'll know I'm right on that.

Right, since you selectively digest, let me paraphrase: Dublin against Derry were as much the sinner as sinned against, as the stats bear testimony to. Do you deny that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 09, 2015, 10:52:07 PM
This is hilarious. Keep it up Indiana I dont know how you managed to get yourself into this hole but...you have. That fist over the bar post was the worst comeback ever. LOL

Dublin have the best team in the country man for man and they are the best team to watch usually.

You really should have the upper hand in this argument but you've really made a balls of it.

Sigh Let me give you a hand...

"Ulster teams are by no means the sole Offenders of playing men behind the ball, Kerry do it and Dublin are by no means Angels as highlighted by Paddy Heaney and they do look for physical attributes in their player's namely speed over the traditional skills of catching and kicking however...(see 2nd line of this post)"

Give a little gain a lot
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 09, 2015, 11:27:54 PM

Rory O'Carroll let's the cat out of the bag in the latest 'DubsTv ' episode. Give YouTube a search...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on April 10, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
Paddy Heaney is a serious GAA writer. Never too far off the mark. Loves his native Derry and in particular Glen Maghera - but not slow to extol the thing of beauty that is the Kingdom and their footballing ways and tradition that sets them apart from all the rest.

Heaney and Brolly are  both top men when it comes to writing on GAA. They are both masters of the written word and are totally passionate about the GAA. We would be poorer without them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on April 10, 2015, 01:28:57 AM
Joe Brolly is passionate about himself full stop and if we never heard from him again he would not be missed.And if any body wants to see what being passionate about gaelic football means check out the second captains interview with Ciaran McDonald.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 10, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Jaysus I did some laughing at this headline:

Quotehttp://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/

Monaghan may copy Derry to stifle Dublin
Former Monaghan star Nudie Hughes warns Malachy O'Rourke's side could be just as defensive as Derry as they bid to avoid another heavy defeat to Dublin.

As if Monaghan haven't been playing like that since O'Rourke took over! O'Rourke has been playing that way since he took over Fermanagh in 2008! We should know because they schooled us in it that year in the Championship!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 10, 2015, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 10, 2015, 01:28:57 AM
Joe Brolly is passionate about himself full stop and if we never heard from him again he would not be missed.And if any body wants to see what being passionate about gaelic football means check out the second captains interview with Ciaran McDonald.

And the snide comments Joe made about McDonald back in 04/06 tell you who the real class act is between the two of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on April 10, 2015, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 09, 2015, 12:16:07 PM
In 1992 Matt Molloy played the All Ireland Final against Dublin and never kicked the ball once. I don't have an issue with the Hand Pass, in fact the Kerry teams of the Golden Era used the hand pass a lot (Including Bomber's goals!). When it is used as part of a quick movement of ball, I don't think there's anything boring or wrong with it.

That said, the quickest way of moving the ball is the kick pass, and that would be my preferred option where it is 'on', but you need movement, skills and space to execute that. The blanket defence chokes the space and limits the movement.

I love the idea of Matt Molloy togging out at full back for Donegal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 10, 2015, 01:50:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtSjM3YU7Qw

A true legend!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 02:03:21 PM
D'Oh. Matt Gallagher of course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Pretty weak article from Heaney and a weaker defence of it on Newstalk when only up against Parkinson. He makes the bizarre claim that the peasants want Dublin and Kerry to win All Irelands rather than other peasant counties. I don't recall anyone criticising Down when they won their second All Ireland and if anything Tyrone's popularity grew as they won more All Irelands. Clare hurlers lost a lot of public affection not because we wanted Kilkenny back winning All Irelands but because many people got tired of some elements of the Clare set up.

The crux of his point seems to be that we should leave the Ulster teams alone as others also defend in numbers, even Dublin. And while there is an element of truth in that (which is the problem as it seems to be spreading), it is mainly Ulster teams that use it as their standard tactic. Donegal would play like that against Waterford, as would Cavan or Monaghan. Derry are getting an unfair press in my mind as I don't think they usually play as they did against Dublin but there is no doubt the mass defence is an Ulstercentric tactic and that is why they get the brunt of the criticism but it is now a tool most counties have in their bag and if they feel they'll come up against a team that will use it too we'll get a terrible game which is the problem and the only worthwhile point at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 10, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Pretty weak article from Heaney and a weaker defence of it on Newstalk when only up against Parkinson. He makes the bizarre claim that the peasants want Dublin and Kerry to win All Irelands rather than other peasant counties. I don't recall anyone criticising Down when they won their second All Ireland and if anything Tyrone's popularity grew as they won more All Irelands. Clare hurlers lost a lot of public affection not because we wanted Kilkenny back winning All Irelands but because many people got tired of some elements of the Clare set up.

The crux of his point seems to be that we should leave the Ulster teams alone as others also defend in numbers, even Dublin. And while there is an element of truth in that (which is the problem as it seems to be spreading), it is mainly Ulster teams that use it as their standard tactic. Donegal would play like that against Waterford, as would Cavan or Monaghan. Derry are getting an unfair press in my mind as I don't think they usually play as they did against Dublin but there is no doubt the mass defence is an Ulstercentric tactic and that is why they get the brunt of the criticism but it is now a tool most counties have in their bag and if they feel they'll come up against a team that will use it too we'll get a terrible game which is the problem and the only worthwhile point at this stage.

The gas thing as well despite Ulster gaa players being taught from the cradle how to play the concrete defence as I call it very few of them can pull it off . Invariably they still can't get results with it even playing other counties outside Dublin and Kerry but it's so ingrained in the players and coaches up there they can't leave it behind

Heaney long stopped being relevant as his northern bias became more obvious with each article. His articles should require a disclaimer pointing to such at the bottom
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Pretty weak article from Heaney and a weaker defence of it on Newstalk when only up against Parkinson. He makes the bizarre claim that the peasants want Dublin and Kerry to win All Irelands rather than other peasant counties. I don't recall anyone criticising Down when they won their second All Ireland and if anything Tyrone's popularity grew as they won more All Irelands. Clare hurlers lost a lot of public affection not because we wanted Kilkenny back winning All Irelands but because many people got tired of some elements of the Clare set up.

The crux of his point seems to be that we should leave the Ulster teams alone as others also defend in numbers, even Dublin. And while there is an element of truth in that (which is the problem as it seems to be spreading), it is mainly Ulster teams that use it as their standard tactic. Donegal would play like that against Waterford, as would Cavan or Monaghan. Derry are getting an unfair press in my mind as I don't think they usually play as they did against Dublin but there is no doubt the mass defence is an Ulstercentric tactic and that is why they get the brunt of the criticism but it is now a tool most counties have in their bag and if they feel they'll come up against a team that will use it too we'll get a terrible game which is the problem and the only worthwhile point at this stage.

I think the point of the article and the interview was the hypocrisy of many in their criticism. There are so many sweeping generaliations out there. I went to watch Derry play Kerry and Mayo in Celtic Park this year. Both visiting teams set up with 12 or 13 behind the ball when they didn't have it. Yet neither were even questioned on it. Derry didn't set up that way and left spaces to counterattack into so they conceded high scores to clever counter attacking football. Kerry were the most cynical team I've seen this year in terms of using the tactical foul.

It's the hypocrisy and lazy analysis which imo Heaney is pointing out. He's on record as being no fan of defensive football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on April 10, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
I'm no fan of Heaney but in fairness to him he did write an article a few weeks back slating defensive football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 10, 2015, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 10, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Heaney long stopped being relevant as his northern bias became more obvious with each article. His articles should require a disclaimer pointing to such at the bottom

Do you see any irony in those comments??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Pretty weak article from Heaney and a weaker defence of it on Newstalk when only up against Parkinson. He makes the bizarre claim that the peasants want Dublin and Kerry to win All Irelands rather than other peasant counties. I don't recall anyone criticising Down when they won their second All Ireland and if anything Tyrone's popularity grew as they won more All Irelands. Clare hurlers lost a lot of public affection not because we wanted Kilkenny back winning All Irelands but because many people got tired of some elements of the Clare set up.

The crux of his point seems to be that we should leave the Ulster teams alone as others also defend in numbers, even Dublin. And while there is an element of truth in that (which is the problem as it seems to be spreading), it is mainly Ulster teams that use it as their standard tactic. Donegal would play like that against Waterford, as would Cavan or Monaghan. Derry are getting an unfair press in my mind as I don't think they usually play as they did against Dublin but there is no doubt the mass defence is an Ulstercentric tactic and that is why they get the brunt of the criticism but it is now a tool most counties have in their bag and if they feel they'll come up against a team that will use it too we'll get a terrible game which is the problem and the only worthwhile point at this stage.

I think the point of the article and the interview was the hypocrisy of many in their criticism. There are so many sweeping generaliations out there. I went to watch Derry play Kerry and Mayo in Celtic Park this year. Both visiting teams set up with 12 or 13 behind the ball when they didn't have it. Yet neither were even questioned on it. Derry didn't set up that way and left spaces to counterattack into so they conceded high scores to clever counter attacking football. Kerry were the most cynical team I've seen this year in terms of using the tactical foul.

It's the hypocrisy and lazy analysis which imo Heaney is pointing out. He's on record as being no fan of defensive football.

I agree, that's what he is trying to say but I don't really think it's valid. I can't comment on games I haven't seen so I don't know how either Kerry or Mayo set up against Derry but the reality is Tyrone and Armagh first brought players back in a structured way and Donegal were the first to get practically everyone back in a systematic way. Nobody is saying most teams don't get players back, they always did, but Ulster teams did it first systematically and more Ulster teams do it as a standard tactic (i.e. against everyone). I don't think Ulster GAA folk can deny that and the likes of Dublin are responding to that rather than using it as a fundamental tactic.

When I criticise mass defending, I'm not criticising Ulster football, I'm just worried about the game and the way it's developing. I'm sure Paddy Heaney shares that concern but if he is more worried that those getting criticised are more Ulster based than southern based then I think he is worried about the wrong thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 10, 2015, 04:52:29 PM
You saw last year's All-Ireland Final Zulu? Let's just say Donegal weren't the only team to retreat en masse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 10, 2015, 04:52:29 PM
You saw last year's All-Ireland Final Zulu? Let's just say Donegal weren't the only team to retreat en masse.

Ah, but they were only reacting! That doesn't count ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
But that's the point FoSB. If Dublin had made the final then the game would have been very different but as Donegal play a certain way all other teams will mirror that as Kerry did. But lets not lose sight of the only important point here, the mass defending trend is bad for football, not which counties get the most blame for it, which is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 04:57:06 PM
Kerry did not set up with 13 behind the ball. They set up in orthodox positions, and just didn't go forward when Donegal retreated. In other words they didn't do what Dublin walked into.

When they lost the ball, yes, the Kerry half forwards came back, but you cannot say that Kerry set up with 13 behind the ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 05:00:48 PM
Nor did Dublin under Gilroy. All teams will now copy Gilroy's Dublin and simply leave their half backs in position but with retreating half forwards it results, in the same effect as having 13 behind the ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
It does, but leaving your 6 backs in their positions is not the same thing in my view. From the throw in, Donegal retreat en masse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 05:07:35 PM
Absolutely and I've had this debate here before where some lads tried to say leaving your 6 backs in place is defensive football, it isn't. However, from a spectators point of view, a mass defence team playing a disciplined structured team leads in most cases to a turgid game. Apportioning blame to one or the other is neither here nor there at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
who will be the first team to all line up in their own half for the throw in?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
Not allowed do that sheamy, thankfully!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
Not allowed do that sheamy, thankfully!!

ah balls. How so? Time to dig out me official guide.

1.3 COMMENCING PLAY
(i) The Referee shall toss a coin for choice of
ends in the presence of the team captains.
This procedure shall be repeated for Extra
Time, where played.
(ii) Two Players from each team shall stand one
behind the other on their own defensive side
of the halfway line, and shall face the referee,
for the throw in.
The other Players, shall be in their respective
positions behind the 45m line (Football) or
65m line (Hurling).

Surely 'in their respective positions' is open to interpretation?  :D

Is there another rule preventing it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 05:23:29 PM
No I think that's the only rule but I presume position is defined by how you'd line out per programme. I once reffed a game where the sweeper lined up in front of his full back line and I told him he had to line out in his corner forward position for the throw in. He wasn't impressed!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
LOL

Some manager will do it yet. I don't think that's enforceable at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 10, 2015, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
LOL

Some manager will do it yet. I don't think that's enforceable at all.

And risk having the game awarded to the opposition for failing to take to the field correctly ?

The manager would want to be some tactical genius to do that all right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 10, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 10, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
LOL

Some manager will do it yet. I don't think that's enforceable at all.
If the Ref refuses to throw in the ball till 6 men go into the forward positions.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 07:30:02 PM
If I remember correctly, the ref sent, I think it was Conor Gormley, back to his own half after lining up as a sweeper v Meath in a qualifier Croker a few years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 10, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
It does, but leaving your 6 backs in their positions is not the same thing in my view. From the throw in, Donegal retreat en masse.

And that's the point most posters here can't see beyond that. A lot of teams retreat en masse- dublin and kerry don't- yet some of the alleged salmons of knowledge claim it's the same game-plan

Hilarious reading though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on April 10, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 07:30:02 PM
If I remember correctly, the ref sent, I think it was Conor Gormley, back to his own half after lining up as a sweeper v Meath in a qualifier Croker a few years ago.

I remember listening to a game on the radio a couple of years ago, it could have been this one, where a substitution had been made for the  start of the second half in which a  forward had been replaced by a defender. The commentator made reference to the fact that one team was lined out with 5 forwards and 7 defenders. No mention was given to the ref ensuring correct placement for the throw in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 10, 2015, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 10, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
But that's the point FoSB. If Dublin had made the final then the game would have been very different but as Donegal play a certain way all other teams will mirror that as Kerry did. But lets not lose sight of the only important point here, the mass defending trend is bad for football, not which counties get the most blame for it, which is irrelevant.

OK, just to get this straight - the only way to successfully counteract the like of Donegal is to emulate them and their system, to a greater or lesser degree?  And it doesn't really matter if 13 players evacuate to the defence immediately on throw-in or subsequently, a blanket is still a duvet defence.

Aside from the enormity of the compliment implicit in such a response, it really points up the paucity of options in the game when strategies all come down to whose is the most divine duvet. Obviously, Dublin's gung-ho approach of last year's semi is fraught against such, despite the most holy and noble intentions of management.;)

You cannot blame teams for maximising their chances of success with the given resources within existing rules, and if that results in games of relentlessly irredeemable turgidity then something else will have to give, though shooting the messengers is rarely the most effective tack.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 11, 2015, 01:19:12 AM
I seem to remember that this hand pass plague started with Dublin maximising  their chances of success with their cuteness in exploiting every possible variant of passing the ball by hand.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 11, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 11, 2015, 01:19:12 AM
I seem to remember that this hand pass plague started with Dublin maximising  their chances of success with their cuteness in exploiting every possible variant of passing the ball by hand.

You must have been made watch videos of Dublin thrashing Monaghan growing up such is your obsession with us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 12, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 10, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
It does, but leaving your 6 backs in their positions is not the same thing in my view. From the throw in, Donegal retreat en masse.

And that's the point most posters here can't see beyond that. A lot of teams retreat en masse- dublin and kerry don't- yet some of the alleged salmons of knowledge claim it's the same game-plan

Hilarious reading though
Dublin and Kerry don't?

Ah jezuz Indy - seriously!!

Def Dublin aren't as def as when under gilroy ( no complaints here about that)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on April 12, 2015, 01:41:51 PM
Indy, to be fair, in 2011 we had Catser and Cullen in our half forward line - they weren't there for their scoring power. Gavin definitely brought a more attacking emphasis (with the caveat that Flynn and Connolly both became very disciplined in their defensive duties0.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 12, 2015, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 12, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 10, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 10, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
It does, but leaving your 6 backs in their positions is not the same thing in my view. From the throw in, Donegal retreat en masse.

And that's the point most posters here can't see beyond that. A lot of teams retreat en masse- dublin and kerry don't- yet some of the alleged salmons of knowledge claim it's the same game-plan

Hilarious reading though
Dublin and Kerry don't?

Ah jezuz Indy - seriously!!

Def Dublin aren't as def as when under gilroy ( no complaints here about that)
And nobody claims it's  Dublin's game plan, that's just typical Dublin defensive, surreal  hyperbole.
But what words does one use to describe when they have every player in their own half  with the opposition on the offence?
"they (the dub players) are only following their man"??



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 10:52:48 AM
What do yis think of Brollys proposed rule change as reported in todays Sunday Independent? Seems to be worth a try to me, I'd love to see football open up a bit.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/one-simple-rule-can-rescue-gaelic-football-from-the-clonoe-conundrum-31209502.html?utm_source=indoshare&utm_medium=socialoremail&utm_campaign=indoshare
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
I think it's a very good suggestion, however, he didn't address the issue of a keeper who can't kick it 45m or when weather conditions dictate that it's impossible for anyone to kick it 45m. Any solution has to be robust enough to survive all eventualities and I'm not sure this one does. Although I'd be very slow to agree to any rule changes I think we do need to consider something like this that can change the direction football is going.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 11:59:40 AM
Kick out could be moved further out I suppose. I like it as its simple
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
I think it's a very good suggestion, however, he didn't address the issue of a keeper who can't kick it 45m or when weather conditions dictate that it's impossible for anyone to kick it 45m. Any solution has to be robust enough to survive all eventualities and I'm not sure this one does. Although I'd be very slow to agree to any rule changes I think we do need to consider something like this that can change the direction football is going.
I remember one time giving away a 45 (50) direct from a kickout when playing against a gale of a wind.
The principle is sound but like you say rules have to be robust.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on May 10, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
I think with some minor tweaking Brolly's idea is well worth a rattle. I think all kickouts should be taken anywhere between the 13 and 20m line and the tee must be used, and the ball should alight outside the 45m line.In the very unlikely event of the ball not travelling 25m due to high winds referees can use their discretion to waive the 45m rule if a genuine attempt has been made to kick long, and allow play to continue if the ball doesn't travel outside the 45m line, as long as keeper isn't clearly chancing their arm with a short kickout. Such extreme weather conditions would thankfully be very rare and therefore shouldn't be allowed to derail such a sensible and workable proposal. The compulsory tee and the option of kicking from anywhere between the 13m & 20m is important as the current insistence on kicking every kickout centrally from the 13m line causes excessive pitch wear in this high traffic area...this is a genuine problem for groundsmen throughout the country. The extra 7m again encourages midfield catching further up the pitch. As an aside I think going to 13 a side is inevitable not only for opening up play but more importantly due to demographic changes and recent rule changes which is making it harder for smaller clubs to field 15 a side particularly at underage level. These very workable and simple changes, will improve the spectacle and player enjoyment, reduce injury and save money for all clubs and counties!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: regal on May 10, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
Arsehole
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 12:33:05 PM
Isn't there effectively the same rule in rugby from a kick off? This could be made work.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
So in an Under 14 Feile game, a team played 3 men behind the ball. Joe's solution? Make the keeper kick the ball 45m from the kick out. Nice idea Joe, does he keep re-kicking it until he makes the 45m? Other than that, it's another of Joe's attempt to discredit a successful Tyrone team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 10, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
You Tyrone boys take offence easily. If I am not mistaken Clonoe are managed by former Derry manager Damien Cassidy.

As for his suggestion. Could it not only be introduced for senior football. This would stop problems for underage players not being able to take it far enough. There could also be a contingency that if a genuine attempt is made to kick it 45 metres on a day of adverse weather it is deemed to have travelled that distance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
If it'd introduced at senior only it was would be fairly pointless and shortsighted to develop blanket defence tactics in underage wouldn't it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 12:59:40 PM
Yep, this could be rule for senior only, or at least from minor upwards. U14's and below are allowed to take kickouts from their hands so underage doesn't mimic the adult game in every way anyway. It certainly worth looking at and as some posters pointed out if the conditions make it very difficult to kick it 45m then a reasonable attempt to do so would be acceptable. Again, as suggested, bringing the kickouts to the 20m if necessary would probably mean every keeper could be expected to kick the ball beyond the 45. The only issue left would be what happens if a keeper slips or connects poorly and it doesn't go 45m, should a team get a free or a ball be thrown in because a keeper makes a mistake? If so, they'd be the only player in any sport getting punished by the rule book for making a legal, honest mistake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
All the negatives are small and can be sorted out. Question is whether the counties will have the balls to try it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
So in an Under 14 Feile game, a team played 3 men behind the ball. Joe's solution? Make the keeper kick the ball 45m from the kick out. Nice idea Joe, does he keep re-kicking it until he makes the 45m? Other than that, it's another of Joe's attempt to discredit a successful Tyrone team.

You guys don't want any changes because it will render you redundant as a footballing side
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stringbean on May 10, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
While I think something needs done I doubt this is the solution - this will make the role of midfielders so pivotal to the game - if you have one overly dominant midfielder who will have a huge influence on the game and will be very difficult for the opposition to combat. Take for an example a inter-county midfielder playing in junior game - he'll absolutely rule the roost - small quick teams will be thing of the past as you need a good big midfield.

It also ruins the art of winning the breaking ball - a skill of the game in itself, some great half forwards have a real knack for this
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
Not sure why it would ruin the battle for breaking ball and even then a tweak where you can move into the middle zone once the keeper has kicked it would solve that for sure. Don't see why small pacy teams would be necessarily affected either as you'd have a lot of space for smaller midfielders to break into space for an angled directed kick to the wings. As Itchy said, the issues with it are relatively minor and as with most things you can't be sure of it's effectiveness until it's tried.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 10, 2015, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: stringbean on May 10, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
While I think something needs done I doubt this is the solution - this will make the role of midfielders so pivotal to the game - if you have one overly dominant midfielder who will have a huge influence on the game and will be very difficult for the opposition to combat. Take for an example a inter-county midfielder playing in junior game - he'll absolutely rule the roost - small quick teams will be thing of the past as you need a good big midfield.

It also ruins the art of winning the breaking ball - a skill of the game in itself, some great half forwards have a real knack for this

I fail to see the problem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stringbean on May 10, 2015, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 10, 2015, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: stringbean on May 10, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
While I think something needs done I doubt this is the solution - this will make the role of midfielders so pivotal to the game - if you have one overly dominant midfielder who will have a huge influence on the game and will be very difficult for the opposition to combat. Take for an example a inter-county midfielder playing in junior game - he'll absolutely rule the roost - small quick teams will be thing of the past as you need a good big midfield.

It also ruins the art of winning the breaking ball - a skill of the game in itself, some great half forwards have a real knack for this

I fail to see the problem.

You risk becoming like basketball or the qb in American football - one player can make a team!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
If you are up agin a very domininant high fielder you can bring you mfs to th edge of your 45 n bring yiur hf back inside your own 45 and still have all the rootin for breaking ball you like.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 10, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
I could see small fast midfielders being more prominent than big high fielding one if this rule came in. Sure you have the whole 45m to 45m by the width of the pitch to kick the ball into. It would be more man markers that would be in there. I think maybe allow 4 v 4 would be a better situation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2015, 03:27:52 PM
It's a copy of my idea posted some weeks ago.  I obviously am in full agreement.  #savingourgamesfromkerrymuck
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 10, 2015, 03:40:22 PM

Myles is right - kicking it straight out the middle makes no sense. It'll be totally cluxton style to utilise the space.

Not saying that's a bad thing but if you expect this to be a godsend for high fielders you'll be disappointed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 10, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
You Tyrone boys take offence easily. If I am not mistaken Clonoe are managed by former Derry manager Damien Cassidy.

As for his suggestion. Could it not only be introduced for senior football. This would stop problems for underage players not being able to take it far enough. There could also be a contingency that if a genuine attempt is made to kick it 45 metres on a day of adverse weather it is deemed to have travelled that distance.

Funnily enough, Joe doesn't mention this in the article and the majority of southerners reading it will be unaware of that. He could easily make his point without coining a new buzz phrase like the "Clonoe Conundrum" and besmirching the name of one of Tyrones top clubs. I most likely am paranoid by now, but the majority of his articles seem to have this sort of casual anti Tyrone bias.

With regards his rule change, I agree with Miles, we'll have runners in midfield and directed chest high balls will be the norm, no team is going to kick the ball down the middle unless they have a dominant big fella. Who will get toasted by a runner working the space left in the middle, so it's highly unlikely a team will have a big man in there anyway. By the way, its's not a Tyrone thing why I don't like this rule, I just think there is no "one simple rule change" that will cure the game and more thought it needed, but of course Joe would like us to believe, as usual, he has the solution to the problem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

I must admit, my first reaction to a suggested rule change is always a fairly sceptical one. I try to consider how the change would play out. My initial thought is that it would lead to runners in midfield and instead of encouraging high fielding we would make it less of a viable option. A runner utilising the space will destroy a big man -this isn't necessarily a bad thing though. It's suggested in the article that it isn't artificial but it clearly is and will slow down the game as players are forced back into position. I envisage a line up of players on each 45 like a rugby league game.

But, I still maintain that a defensive strategy is for the opposition to break down, not for a committee to overcome in a board room. But, if it was to come in, I'd like it to be fully trialled first, perhaps at Sigerson level or the like, for two seasons, see how it works, give managers time to adapt and see what results before making it a full rule change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

Benny shoots everything down because Joe has described what Tyrone club football is like.

They have trained the next generation of footballers in Tyrone to play like the Black Death.

Anything that reduces their defenders to actually have to defend of put a premium on accurate score taking renders them redundant.

Their is a clear and concerted policy of certain counties to shoot every proposal down because they are scared of the alternative.

The alternative is Gaelic Football as we know it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

I must admit, my first reaction to a suggested rule change is always a fairly sceptical one. I try to consider how the change would play out. My initial thought is that it would lead to runners in midfield and instead of encouraging high fielding we would make it less of a viable option. A runner utilising the space will destroy a big man -this isn't necessarily a bad thing though. It's suggested in the article that it isn't artificial but it clearly is and will slow down the game as players are forced back into position. I envisage a line up of players on each 45 like a rugby league game.

But, I still maintain that a defensive strategy is for the opposition to break down, not for a committee to overcome in a board room. But, if it was to come in, I'd like it to be fully trialled first, perhaps at Sigerson level or the like, for two seasons, see how it works, give managers time to adapt and see what results before making it a full rule change.

Benny stop trying to promote this shite of opposition teams breaking down defensive structures.

I've been in coaching 35 years and you cannot coach physics in a confined space of the pitch.

We all know the reason why you want this to remain because your county is incapable of producing players who can score like they used to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

Benny shoots everything down because Joe has described what Tyrone club football is like.

They have trained the next generation of footballers in Tyrone to play like the Black Death.

Anything that reduces their defenders to actually have to defend of put a premium on accurate score taking renders them redundant.

Their is a clear and concerted policy of certain counties to shoot every proposal down because they are scared of the alternative.

The alternative is Gaelic Football as we know it

I wish my comments wielded as much power as you suggest Indiana and I don't profess to be able to compete with Joe on the publicity stakes. I know my words don't hold as much clout as ex-all Ireland champions like Joe and of course, yourself  :D. I'm merely expressing my view as I see it and I'm not part of some Tyrone publicity machine designed to shoot down every possible rule change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

Benny shoots everything down because Joe has described what Tyrone club football is like.

They have trained the next generation of footballers in Tyrone to play like the Black Death.

Anything that reduces their defenders to actually have to defend of put a premium on accurate score taking renders them redundant.

Their is a clear and concerted policy of certain counties to shoot every proposal down because they are scared of the alternative.

The alternative is Gaelic Football as we know it

Ok, fair enough. Bring in the rule change. In fact bring in every rule change that every pundit suggests and make sure you don't trial it either because that is just wasting time. The alternative however, is Gaelic football as we know it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 06:01:50 PM
I would absolutely agree that any significant changes should be trialled as that's the only way we can see if it works. But I also agree with Indiana, there is no way of breaking down a massed defence using attacking principles.  To beat a massed defence you keep your half backs in place and you patiently pass the ball around probing for gaps or getting soft frees but that is awful to watch most of the time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 06:09:50 PM
Zulu, what do you actually want to see at a game, scores? Scoring averages are on the up, as high or higher than they have ever been, so are you now talking about rule changes purely from an aesthetic perspective?

For the record, we have fallen victim to the blanket defence as much as anyone, though INDIANA still hasn't come to terms with the Donegal annihilation in last year's semi.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
I don't understand why you don't like this suggestion though Benny. It's a very good and simple one and well worth a try. Football has only one real problem and that is a crushing negativity of mind. The game is largely fine as a sport but we have started to play it in a way that is more about not losing and less about going out and winning. Brolly's solution would help prevent these mass defences and put the emphasis back on going out to win the game.

Benny shoots everything down because Joe has described what Tyrone club football is like.

They have trained the next generation of footballers in Tyrone to play like the Black Death.

Anything that reduces their defenders to actually have to defend of put a premium on accurate score taking renders them redundant.

Their is a clear and concerted policy of certain counties to shoot every proposal down because they are scared of the alternative.

The alternative is Gaelic Football as we know it

Ok, fair enough. Bring in the rule change. In fact bring in every rule change that every pundit suggests and make sure you don't trial it either because that is just wasting time. The alternative however, is Gaelic football as we know it.

No it's about returning the game to it's core principles. Playing the ball repeatedly along the half back line back and across isn't

Currently it's like how the East Germans used to choose their Olympic Athletes. Pick a 100 men and throw them all into a wall. the one left standing will be an Olympic Champion. That's gaelic football -Tyrone style.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 06:20:07 PM
I want to see a fast paced physical game where kicking has primacy. Not that there is necessarily more kicking than hand passing but that kicking the ball still has a major effect on the game. There doesn't have to be a lot of scores in a game for it to be good but I don't think most people enjoy watching a probing type of game where players pass the parcel across the field and have runners try to break the defensive line. I want to see a game where James O'Donoghue or Jamie Clarke can play in the full forward line and have the ball kicked into them. I don't want a game where they have to play in their own half back or half forward line and primarily hand pass the ball to their team mates.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fearglasmor on May 10, 2015, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 06:20:07 PM
I want to see a fast paced physical game where kicking has primacy. Not that there is necessarily more kicking than hand passing but that kicking the ball still has a major effect on the game. There doesn't have to be a lot of scores in a game for it to be good but I don't think most people enjoy watching a probing type of game where players pass the parcel across the field and have runners try to break the defensive line. I want to see a game where James O'Donoghue or Jamie Clarke can play in the full forward line and have the ball kicked into them. I don't want a game where they have to play in their own half back or half forward line and primarily hand pass the ball to their team mates.
Yes
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?

Because the game is an eyesore to watch. Kicking has been reduced to being irrelevant. The hand-pass rules the game. You can't coach physics in a confined space.

The GAA has a responsibility to ensure the core principles of the game are allowed to flourish. kicking is one of them. Not that you'd know it from watching Tyrone.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?

Jesus man, are you happy with what you are seeing? What I see is basketball, gym monkey's smash into each other. I'm certain the majority of supporters are the same. Its not unusual for sports to do things like this. What's your objection to trying this?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?

Because the game is an eyesore to watch. Kicking has been reduced to being irrelevant. The hand-pass rules the game. You can't coach physics in a confined space.

The GAA has a responsibility to ensure the core principles of the game are allowed to flourish. kicking is one of them. Not that you'd know it from watching Tyrone.



Jezuz INDIANA, I'm now fearful for your sanctity of mind.

i agree to an extent, that it would be preferable if we could get the ball up to our scoring zone quicker, but if we don't have the players capable of such at Senior level should we just roll over belly up, or should we try to adapt our game plan to deal with such realities?

Regardless, we're paying the price for our mediocrity this NFL year, with Div II demotion.

Watch out though, those big bad U21s are on your case! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on May 10, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
If all teams kicked the ball and didn't bother hand-passing would you be complaining that one of the core aspects of the game was in decline?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?

Jesus man, are you happy with what you are seeing? What I see is basketball, gym monkey's smash into each other. I'm certain the majority of supporters are the same. Its not unusual for sports to do things like this. What's your objection to trying this?

I'm against tinkering with the rules for aesthetic reasons alone (and this is what that's about)  -  scoring averages are up this year, and  that from someone who was more on the receiving than giving end this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
OK, so just to be clear: you want changes to the rules because today's teams don't conform to your ideas of aesthetic purity and integrity?

Well obviously it's not clear to you. Firstly it isn't my idea of 'aesthetic purity and integrity' (whatever the hell that is) but the fact that the majority of football supporters don't enjoy watching games with massed defences and pass the parcel games. As Itchy said, many sports have made fundamental changes to their sport to make them more enjoyable to watch. And as Indiana pointed out, kicking is a fundamental skill in our sport yet it's becoming less relevant when teams simply flood back to prevent a long kick into the forwards. In addition, I have repeatedly stated that I'd be slow to change any rules but if it is required to help the game then so be it.

QuoteIf all teams kicked the ball and didn't bother hand-passing would you be complaining that one of the core aspects of the game was in decline?

I would anyway as I think the hand pass is a wonderful element to our game and produces some brilliant team scores. However, slow lateral or backwards passing in the face of a defensive cordon is often woeful to watch.

Quotei agree to an extent, that it would be preferable if we could get the ball up to our scoring zone quicker, but if we don't have the players capable of such at Senior level should we just roll over belly up, or should we try to adapt our game plan to deal with such realities?

That's a cop out. Tyrone don't need to play 14 men behind the ball to be competitive but doing so is the easiest way of making yourselves competitive.

QuoteI'm against tinkering with the rules for aesthetic reasons alone (and this is what that's about)  -  scoring averages are up this year, and  that from someone who was more on the receiving than giving end this year.

It isn't for aesthetic reasons alone but even if it was that would be a good enough reason as keeping a sport entertaining to watch is a fundamental element of keeping it healthy. I don't know what scoring averages have to do with anything, especially when a serious ball has yet to be kicked.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:41:27 PM
A bit touchy there Zulu. Scores are what count, and if more scores are actually being scored each game, then be careful what you actually wish for; for it doesn't matter how massed the defensive ranks are, if they're being breached

There's the whiff of elitism about all of this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:41:27 PM
A bit touchy there Zulu. Scores are what count, and if more scores are actually being scored each game, then be careful what you actually wish for; for it doesn't matter how massed the defensive ranks are, if they're being breached

There's the whiff of elitism about all of this.

Just the stench of "well if you can't beat them, join them change the rules"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
Not touchy at all FoSB but if you want to discuss this and get an appreciation of where I'm coming from (and thousands of others) then perhaps you shouldn't dismiss it flippantly.

How is this elitism? It's footballing strongholds and traditional powerhouses that are playing it. If this was Antrim or Clare doing it you might have a point but Tyrone aren't that or Donegal, Derry, Kerry, for that matter.

Scores are not what count, they are part of the game just like marking, blocking, kick passing, high fielding dummy solos, beating a defender with pace control and agility. Lots of these skills are eroded by massed defences and thus the game suffers. I do believe the blanket defences are a busted flush but they are very effective for keeping a score down so if you do that a lucky break (like Kerry last year) can win you the game so it's worth sticking with for when you come up against a better team.

I don't know how anyone that is a supporter of football can not be concerned about the game and wouldn't, at least, consider proposals to address it. I've never been less excited by the championship and I'm a bit concerned by what we'll see next weekend and many of the weekends after.

QuoteJust the stench of "well if you can't beat them, join them change the rules"

Nobody wins if the game becomes unwatchable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: No1 on May 10, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
QuoteScores are not what count

What? They are the only thing that that count to anyone looking for a victory.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 07:41:27 PM
A bit touchy there Zulu. Scores are what count, and if more scores are actually being scored each game, then be careful what you actually wish for; for it doesn't matter how massed the defensive ranks are, if they're being breached

There's the whiff of elitism about all of this.

Just the stench of "well if you can't beat them, join them change the rules"

Tyrone won an all-ireland in...................................................2008. That's right the current system they've been using for 3 years has been so successful. Laughable.

All you are is a better form of a loser like so many counties playing this mind numbing version of the game where teams run into each other for 60 mins until some poor soul makes the game changing mistake to allow the other side to win.

How in God's name anyone can stand over this as something appealing is beyond me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
Not touchy at all FoSB but if you want to discuss this and get an appreciation of where I'm coming from (and thousands of others) then perhaps you shouldn't dismiss it flippantly.

How is this elitism? It's footballing strongholds and traditional powerhouses that are playing it. If this was Antrim or Clare doing it you might have a point but Tyrone aren't that or Donegal, Derry, Kerry, for that matter.

Scores are not what count, they are part of the game just like marking, blocking, kick passing, high fielding dummy solos, beating a defender with pace control and agility. Lots of these skills are eroded by massed defences and thus the game suffers. I do believe the blanket defences are a busted flush but they are very effective for keeping a score down so if you do that a lucky break (like Kerry last year) can win you the game so it's worth sticking with for when you come up against a better team.

I don't know how anyone that is a supporter of football can not be concerned about the game and wouldn't, at least, consider proposals to address it. I've never been less excited by the championship and I'm a bit concerned by what we'll see next weekend and many of the weekends after.

QuoteJust the stench of "well if you can't beat them, join them change the rules"

Nobody wins if the game becomes unwatchable.

So, and this is what really counts, are GAA games' attendances markedly down, or down at all even? Are subscriptions suffering? To heed the doom-merchants  (and please, do not be taking a cue from Brolly, or any other megalomaniac mouthpieces) you'd swear gate-receipts were at an all time low, and TV/online audiences on their knees.

Anecdotal is not evidential, and all I've seen on this thread so far is anecdotal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stew on May 10, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.

Bullshit, Armagh V Donegal in the AIQF was compelling viewing as far as I am concerned, the bottom line is that managers are sompelled to get the best out of their charges and use whatever tactics necessary to get the job done, Donegal can have 15 men behind the ball and win games, they have proven it so but to me there is a certain majesty in tremendous defensive play, look at what we accomplished in the second half against Kerry in 02, defensively we were sublime, I think some on here buy into what the media sells in relation to how negative the pundits are about our game, I think the championship produces fabulous games every year and that the sport is healthy and by the way, why are Donegal capable of beating everyone else and why are the aristocratic teams incapable of beating them when it matters?


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 10, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
QuoteScores are not what count

What? They are the only thing that that count to anyone looking for a victory.

Do you always take a small part of a post and refer to it out of context?

QuoteSo, and this is what really counts, are GAA games' attendances markedly down, or down at all even? Are subscriptions suffering? To heed the doom-merchants  (and please, do not be taking a cue from Brolly, or any other megalomaniac mouthpieces) you'd swear gate-receipts were at an all time low, and TV/online audiences on their knees.

Anecdotal is not evidential, and all I've seen on this thread so far is anecdotal.

That's a bizarre post FoSB. We can see with our own eyes that football is producing some very poor spectacles due to the defensive tactics being employed and the counter tactics to them.

And please don't suggest we are being led by media pundits, just because you agree with someone on TV doesn't mean you are aping them. I don't know what TV figures are like compared to previous years but hurling brought in more in gate receipts last year for the first time ever.

I'm not sure what evidence you're looking for or why you feel scoring averages proves something. Are you suggesting that because scoring averages are up (where did you see this btw?) and attendances aren't markedly down that everyone is happy with how the game is being played?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: stew on May 10, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.

Bullshit, Armagh V Donegal in the AIQF was compelling viewing as far as I am concerned, the bottom line is that managers are sompelled to get the best out of their charges and use whatever tactics necessary to get the job done, Donegal can have 15 men behind the ball and win games, they have proven it so but to me there is a certain majesty in tremendous defensive play, look at what we accomplished in the second half against Kerry in 02, defensively we were sublime, I think some on here buy into what the media sells in relation to how negative the pundits are about our game, I think the championship produces fabulous games every year and that the sport is healthy and by the way, why are Donegal capable of beating everyone else and why are the aristocratic teams incapable of beating them when it matters?

You call someone's post bullshit and then use one knockout game involving your own county as evidence of this??? 

The bit in bold is a ridiculous comment - Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry have all beaten Donegal when it matters, do any of these qualify as aristocrats?

Nobody wants to do away with defending but getting everyone back is not good defending it's a bog basic defensive tactic that means players don't need to be good defenders but do need to avoid giving away handy frees.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: stew on May 10, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.

Bullshit, Armagh V Donegal in the AIQF was compelling viewing as far as I am concerned, the bottom line is that managers are sompelled to get the best out of their charges and use whatever tactics necessary to get the job done, Donegal can have 15 men behind the ball and win games, they have proven it so but to me there is a certain majesty in tremendous defensive play, look at what we accomplished in the second half against Kerry in 02, defensively we were sublime, I think some on here buy into what the media sells in relation to how negative the pundits are about our game, I think the championship produces fabulous games every year and that the sport is healthy and by the way, why are Donegal capable of beating everyone else and why are the aristocratic teams incapable of beating them when it matters?

Did I see 2002 mentioned? What an absolutely ridiculous argument that anything 12 years ago is relevant in the current 13 man behind the ball system. Utter conclusive proof that the Northern brigade are only protecting their own agenda when it comes to this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: stew on May 10, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.

Bullshit, Armagh V Donegal in the AIQF was compelling viewing as far as I am concerned, the bottom line is that managers are sompelled to get the best out of their charges and use whatever tactics necessary to get the job done, Donegal can have 15 men behind the ball and win games, they have proven it so but to me there is a certain majesty in tremendous defensive play, look at what we accomplished in the second half against Kerry in 02, defensively we were sublime, I think some on here buy into what the media sells in relation to how negative the pundits are about our game, I think the championship produces fabulous games every year and that the sport is healthy and by the way, why are Donegal capable of beating everyone else and why are the aristocratic teams incapable of beating them when it matters?

You call someone's post bullshit and then use one knockout game involving your own county as evidence of this??? 

The bit in bold is a ridiculous comment - Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry have all beaten Donegal when it matters, do any of these qualify as aristocrats?

Nobody wants to do away with defending but getting everyone back is not good defending it's a bog basic defensive tactic that means players don't need to be good defenders but do need to avoid giving away handy frees.



To be fair, two all Ireland semi finals were great contests too. The current rules can create good games.

On reflection though, I think there may be a bit of merit in Brollys plan, but please, please trial these changes in a competitive competition. The Sigerson would be perfect as it's very competitive and is generally at the cutting edge of tactical analysis. They'd flush out any flaws relatively quickly.

In general though my worries on this debate remind me of the episode of Father Ted were they had a dent in car they were going to raffle. http://youtu.be/8mdwAkWvWMw
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 10, 2015, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: stew on May 10, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Any sport would be concerned. Soccer would be concerned if every game ended 1 nil. Rugby would be concerned if there were no tries in a game and GAA supporters are concerned at the way things are now

Your post would make sense if you could actually back it up with facts. SCORING AVERAGES are on the up!

Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Entertainment is on the way down. Are you entertained by the crap that passes for football. It can be ok in div 1 but in the other 3 leagues it is dire as everyone is now along the monster Tyrone and Donegal created. The vast majority know this.

Bullshit, Armagh V Donegal in the AIQF was compelling viewing as far as I am concerned, the bottom line is that managers are sompelled to get the best out of their charges and use whatever tactics necessary to get the job done, Donegal can have 15 men behind the ball and win games, they have proven it so but to me there is a certain majesty in tremendous defensive play, look at what we accomplished in the second half against Kerry in 02, defensively we were sublime, I think some on here buy into what the media sells in relation to how negative the pundits are about our game, I think the championship produces fabulous games every year and that the sport is healthy and by the way, why are Donegal capable of beating everyone else and why are the aristocratic teams incapable of beating them when it matters?

Did I see 2002 mentioned? What an absolutely ridiculous argument that anything 12 years ago is relevant in the current 13 man behind the ball system. Utter conclusive proof that the Northern brigade are only protecting their own agenda when it comes to this.

A bit stereotyping there. I am from the same county - maybe even the same club - as Stew and hate the 'everyone behind the ball' game. I do, however like to see good defensive play. As much as the over reliance on the blanket defence is an eye sore the 'buying' of frees by forwards is a bigger one. I also remember going to watch Cork and Galway and Mayo and Kerry in Croke Park about 10 years ago. There was hardly a tackle and I did not find it very entertaining. What Brolly is proposing I consider worth looking at as it might bring about the best of all parts of the game without too much tinkering.

I should also add that Armagh kicked the ball more than most teams in last year's championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
The semi finals were very good but largely because 3 of the teams didn't play a blanket defence. But Itchy is broadly correct as entertainment value is down and that's due to the defensive tactics employed by an increasing number of teams.

Again, I agree it should be trialled as should any proposal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 09:27:20 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
QuoteSo, and this is what really counts, are GAA games' attendances markedly down, or down at all even? Are subscriptions suffering? To heed the doom-merchants  (and please, do not be taking a cue from Brolly, or any other megalomaniac mouthpieces) you'd swear gate-receipts were at an all time low, and TV/online audiences on their knees.

Anecdotal is not evidential, and all I've seen on this thread so far is anecdotal.

That's a bizarre post FoSB. We can see with our own eyes that football is producing some very poor spectacles due to the defensive tactics being employed and the counter tactics to them.

And please don't suggest we are being led by media pundits, just because you agree with someone on TV doesn't mean you are aping them. I don't know what TV figures are like compared to previous years but hurling brought in more in gate receipts last year for the first time ever.

I'm not sure what evidence you're looking for or why you feel scoring averages proves something. Are you suggesting that because scoring averages are up (where did you see this btw?) and attendances aren't markedly down that everyone is happy with how the game is being played?

Bizarre, really? So on what other criterion would you gauge the current viability of the games? All you are offering here is hearsay, and that ain't going to cut anything, much less rule changes.

Here are the official STATISTICS for 2013 (2014 demonstrated a similar trend), where the current rules were already in place:

2013 stats (https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2101141501-report-notes-rise-in-attendances/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 09:27:20 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
QuoteSo, and this is what really counts, are GAA games' attendances markedly down, or down at all even? Are subscriptions suffering? To heed the doom-merchants  (and please, do not be taking a cue from Brolly, or any other megalomaniac mouthpieces) you'd swear gate-receipts were at an all time low, and TV/online audiences on their knees.

Anecdotal is not evidential, and all I've seen on this thread so far is anecdotal.

That's a bizarre post FoSB. We can see with our own eyes that football is producing some very poor spectacles due to the defensive tactics being employed and the counter tactics to them.

And please don't suggest we are being led by media pundits, just because you agree with someone on TV doesn't mean you are aping them. I don't know what TV figures are like compared to previous years but hurling brought in more in gate receipts last year for the first time ever.

I'm not sure what evidence you're looking for or why you feel scoring averages proves something. Are you suggesting that because scoring averages are up (where did you see this btw?) and attendances aren't markedly down that everyone is happy with how the game is being played?

Bizarre, really? So on what other criterion would you gauge the current viability of the games? All you are offering here is hearsay, and that ain't going to cut anything, much less rule changes.

Here are the official STATISTICS for 2013 (2014 demonstrated a similar trend), where the current rules were already in place:

2013 stats (https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2101141501-report-notes-rise-in-attendances/)

Encapsulates nothing. Put up the stats for handpasses versus kickpasses if you dare
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Encapsulates nothing. Put up the stats for handpasses versus kickpasses if you dare

Now, that's bizarre!

So what you're actually saying is: participation in the games counts for nothing, attendances at the games counts for nothing, but how the games adhere to my template of 'how they should be played' is the overarching factor, trumping everything else!  :) :) :) :) :) :)

Get help FFS!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Yes bizarre. Nobody is offering hearsay but their opinion based on the games they see. If a lot of football supporters are unhappy with what they see then there is a problem. To use attendances as evidence of people's views on the games is clearly nonsense. If Dublin and Mayo became useless and Cork and Leitrim dominant teams average attendances would go down but what would that prove about our games? Like many others I'll sit down to watch Donegal Tyrone next weekend but if they play as I fear they will does that mean I'm happy with how they played because I watched it?

Are you happy with football being played as Kerry and Donegal did in the All Ireland final?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
The semi finals were very good but largely because 3 of the teams didn't play a blanket defence. But Itchy is broadly correct as entertainment value is down and that's due to the defensive tactics employed by an increasing number of teams.

Again, I agree it should be trialled as should any proposal.

Putting aside the fact that Kerry played as defensively as anyone last year, are we putting forward a rule change to specifically target those teams that choose to play a defensive system? That's maybe where the accusations of elitism come from.

Baring in mind that, as you suggest, 3 of last years All Ireland semi finalists didn't play with a blanket, maybe the defensive era is over, if the best teams aren't doing it then it will soon be redundant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 10:02:50 PM
Look Zulu, if the best of what you can offer is anecdotal, give it up, for that's all you're offering here, even when confronted by irrefutable statistics.

No, I wasn't thrilled with the spectacle of last year's AIF, but I'll tell you what, the first recourse would not be to change rules, on the basis of one game, or a few more.

If you're disgusted with the Ballybofey fare next weekend, suck it up, for chances are I'll be a whole lot more disgusted, but I won't be on a crusade to change the rules on a whim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Do you know what really gets my goat too but.
That Hurling is far too high scoring, sure its nothing but one score after another, far too attack minded.
I think the rules should be changed so that you can only score from inside your own 45 therefore leading to better defensive play as obviously it would be easier to put players under pressure in a confined space. It's far too easy to score.

The likes of Kilkenny hammering teams round them, what chance do others have it they are going to play that openly and score from anywhere across the half way line?

Surely a simple rule change would sort this out once and for all and create a level playing field.
I for one think that this would work tremendously well and I would back it up with evidence in lower scoring games and falling attendances because that is a sure sign that the masses are delighted with the product.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Do you know what really gets my goat too but.
That Hurling is far too high scoring, sure its nothing but one score after another, far too attack minded.
I think the rules should be changed so that you can only score from inside your own 45 therefore leading to better defensive play as obviously it would be easier to put players under pressure in a confined space. It's far too easy to score.

The likes of Kilkenny hammering teams round them, what chance do others have it they are going to play that openly and score from anywhere across the half way line?

Surely a simple rule change would sort this out once and for all and create a level playing field.
I for one think that this would work tremendously well and I would back it up with evidence in lower scoring games and falling attendances because that is a sure sign that the masses are delighted with the product.

That was the greatest hurling team in the history of the association. A poor example.

Kilkenny aren't hammering anyone anymore. Hurling is the superior sport in absolutely every aspect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Encapsulates nothing. Put up the stats for handpasses versus kickpasses if you dare

Now, that's bizarre!

So what you're actually saying is: participation in the games counts for nothing, attendances at the games counts for nothing, but how the games adhere to my template of 'how they should be played' is the overarching factor, trumping everything else!  :) :) :) :) :) :)

Get help FFS!

You guys need help. You can't play the game properly anymore and you expect the rest of us to resort to your template just to suit your own agenda. You don't own the association and the majority want change. Either get in the boat or bail out and take the 5/6 counties with you. You won't be missed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2015, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
The semi finals were very good but largely because 3 of the teams didn't play a blanket defence. But Itchy is broadly correct as entertainment value is down and that's due to the defensive tactics employed by an increasing number of teams.

Again, I agree it should be trialled as should any proposal.

Putting aside the fact that Kerry played as defensively as anyone last year, are we putting forward a rule change to specifically target those teams that choose to play a defensive system? That's maybe where the accusations of elitism come from.

Baring in mind that, as you suggest, 3 of last years All Ireland semi finalists didn't play with a blanket, maybe the defensive era is over, if the best teams aren't doing it then it will soon be redundant.

Kerry didn't set up defensively in the semi final but did in the final and the Munster final before that. Nobody is being elitist this is about a trend towards overly defensive football that might need to be dealt with through rule changes. But you know that Benny.

QuoteLook Zulu, if the best of what you can offer is anecdotal, give it up, for that's all you're offering here, even when confronted by irrefutable statistics.

No, I wasn't thrilled with the spectacle of last year's AIF, but I'll tell you what, the first recourse would not be to change rules, on the basis of one game, or a few more.

If you're disgusted with the Ballybofey fare next weekend, suck it up, for chances are I'll be a whole lot more disgusted, but I won't be on a crusade to change the rules on a whim.

That's a daft post FoSB, what irrefutable evidence have you posted and what are you trying to prove, you didn't answer that? I've shown attendances are down compared to hurling for the first time ever and also that attendances prove nothing about the opinion people have about football.

This isn't about one or two games but the clear trend for teams to primarily defend by getting everybody back and what that will mean for the game. As I've said numerous times I'm not advocating for rule changes yet but I certainly haven't my head in the sand as you appear to have.

It is an issue for a sport if two of the best teams in the country play each other with tactics that make it unwatchable for a neutral. I hope it's a good game and a good championship but if the best teams are going to get 15 behind the ball then I think we are right to be concerned.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 10, 2015, 11:18:17 PM
It would seem Joe is absolving at least 2 Tyrone All Ireland teams of playing defensive football as it only started from 2006 onwards.

Another crucial point is that there is nothing artificial about the solution. We know it can work, since it is what we did until less than a decade ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 10, 2015, 11:24:26 PM
So are we killing quick-thinking? No more quick kick outs? Teams can kick a ball dead knowing it'll take a while to get areas cleared for the kick out? Keepers purposely kicking it out to penalise those who haven't had time to retreat?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 10, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Bit of a mad argument/debate lads!
It's all personal opinion about what you like to watch.
Scores are up but more teams play in a defensive way!

Sadly only Derry seem incapable presently of springboarding from this into attack!

Out of the past decade, in my opinion all the all Ireland winners ( plus frequent losers mayo) played with defensive setup except for cork who seem to be either traditionalist or naive!

Current Dublin and Kerry sides are as defensive as anyone with masses of men behind the ball - but they know how to counterattack and score. I'd hope Derry are paying attention!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
Tall midfielders would not necessarily be a protected species under the new proposal by Joe unless a rule regarding the size of a midfielder was brought in.

Would a smart manager not put an exceptionally quick player on a giant oaf and therefore be guaranteed to win all their own kickouts by virtue of running into space to collect the ball between the two 45s?

All you would need is x1 speedy player and x1 goalkeeper prepared to kick cynically to that players advantage.

On the flipside if you could cynically train this performing monkey/speed demon/lapdog to break a ball off the big lad then the team with said big lad would not necessarily win all their kickouts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 10, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Bit of a mad argument/debate lads!
It's all personal opinion about what you like to watch.
Scores are up but more teams play in a defensive way!

Sadly only Derry seem incapable presently of springboarding from this into attack!

Out of the past decade, in my opinion all the all Ireland winners ( plus frequent losers mayo) played with defensive setup except for cork who seem to be either traditionalist or naive!

Current Dublin and Kerry sides are as defensive as anyone with masses of men behind the ball - but they know how to counterattack and score. I'd hope Derry are paying attention!

But that's not the debating point. Teams have always played with a defensive strategy, even if that was simply mark your man. The issue is more and more teams are getting 13, 14 and even 15 players behind the ball and what that means for the game as a spectacle and for the development/skills of the sport. Nobody wants defending removed from the game but many of us don't want to see 15 players behind the ball and what that means for the game in terms of excitement and skills.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2015, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Encapsulates nothing. Put up the stats for handpasses versus kickpasses if you dare

Now, that's bizarre!

So what you're actually saying is: participation in the games counts for nothing, attendances at the games counts for nothing, but how the games adhere to my template of 'how they should be played' is the overarching factor, trumping everything else!  :) :) :) :) :) :)

Get help FFS!

You guys need help. You can't play the game properly anymore and you expect the rest of us to resort to your template just to suit your own agenda. You don't own the association and the majority want change. Either get in the boat or bail out and take the 5/6 counties with you. You won't be missed

Play the game "properly"? :) Gas, so, as was apparent after your hissy-fit about the U21 final, you want to exclude winners too in your elitist crusade, or is it just the like of the current (generally) losing Tyrone Senior side? We don't expect anyone or team to resort to any template, we're only seeking to win (rather unsuccessfully of late), but sure your lot (and the rest) are big and ugly enough to formulate your own approach without care or consideration for anyone else?

Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:00:54 PM
QuoteLook Zulu, if the best of what you can offer is anecdotal, give it up, for that's all you're offering here, even when confronted by irrefutable statistics.

No, I wasn't thrilled with the spectacle of last year's AIF, but I'll tell you what, the first recourse would not be to change rules, on the basis of one game, or a few more.

If you're disgusted with the Ballybofey fare next weekend, suck it up, for chances are I'll be a whole lot more disgusted, but I won't be on a crusade to change the rules on a whim.

That's a daft post FoSB, what irrefutable evidence have you posted and what are you trying to prove, you didn't answer that? I've shown attendances are down compared to hurling for the first time ever and also that attendances prove nothing about the opinion people have about football.

This isn't about one or two games but the clear trend for teams to primarily defend by getting everybody back and what that will mean for the game. As I've said numerous times I'm not advocating for rule changes yet but I certainly haven't my head in the sand as you appear to have.

It is an issue for a sport if two of the best teams in the country play each other with tactics that make it unwatchable for a neutral. I hope it's a good game and a good championship but if the best teams are going to get 15 behind the ball then I think we are right to be concerned.

Well, the only logical avenue is to change the rules, if teams are, within the current rules, being too negative for your (or Brolly's) preferences. Ludicrous to suggest that a team manager will not explore all options to maximise the chances of success in any game, unless you'd be in favour of Gaelic Football managers being the first in history to exclude defensive options. Football attendances are not collapsing, and haven't been in recent years, though yes, they will fluctuate.

If you think that Brolly's suggestion is a 'simple' change to the rules, I fear you'll have a whole new set of conundrums to deal with. Things are rarely straightforward, especially where rule changes are concerned, and I wouldn't be optimistic -- Brolly was talking about a single club game that finished with a soccer scoreline, and if that were a regular and recurrent scenario then something would have to be done. But it's not, so I would be inclined to still the siren voices.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: themac_23 on May 11, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
The game isn't great to watch at all at the minute. The most disappointing thing i have seen was last season i went and watched a club game between 2 teams who were at opposite ends of the table and really there was only ever going to be one winner. The better team with better players pulled 2 players into defence they had no reason to do this but played the whole game like that, they won the game by 4 points, now you may say what is wrong with that they won the game? This team had the players on the pitch to win that game by well over 10 points comfortably but played a defensive system, seemed more concerned with not conceding than racking up a big score. i came away from that game completely disheartened with the game i love, i haven't been to a county football game in a few years and have no desire to change that, but i have no problem jumping in the car and driving 2-3 hours to watch a SHC game, this from a man whos background is in football, what does that say about the state of the game? don't know if brolly's suggestion is the answer but something needs to happen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 11, 2015, 04:33:00 AM
Many of the criticisms of the game are valid, but they are not new.  From 87/88/90/92/93/94/95/97/99 all Ireland finals were putrid so for those who think that Spillane and Brolly are to ne taken seriously I refer you to any of these matches.  The worst game in living history was the Donegal May semi final in 92.  If we really want to admit it the reason why we dont like Gaelic football is because the physicality has been eroded. The reason why handpasses have spawned is because theres no allowed physical way of stopping the runner.  The black card was introduced and one of its side effects has been the  ability to handpass without fear of being stopped.  30 years ago we removed the handpassed goal because it couldnt be predicted and stopped.  30 years on Joe et all forgot about this and supported the introduction of a rule that rewards and protects the running game.  Then they complain. 
As far as the term  Clonoe Conundrum is concerned JB is on the wind up again and again and everyone takes his bit of craic too seriously.  The problem here is Joe wants to influence referees and rule makers alike.I belive that his anti Tyrone stance albeit tinged this time around is as much to do with him being prepared to do RTEs dirty work for them as they don't particularly enjoy the snub we are giving them..  Joe  would certainly enjoy that.. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2015, 04:33:00 AM
Many of the criticisms of the game are valid, but they are not new.  From 87/88/90/92/93/94/95/97/99 all Ireland finals were putrid so for those who think that Spillane and Brolly are to ne taken seriously I refer you to any of these matches.  The worst game in living history was the Donegal May semi final in 92.  If we really want to admit it the reason why we dont like Gaelic football is because the physicality has been eroded. The reason why handpasses have spawned is because theres no allowed physical way of stopping the runner.  The black card was introduced and one of its side effects has been the  ability to handpass without fear of being stopped.  30 years ago we removed the handpassed goal because it couldnt be predicted and stopped.  30 years on Joe et all forgot about this and supported the introduction of a rule that rewards and protects the running game.  Then they complain. 
As far as the term  Clonoe Conundrum is concerned JB is on the wind up again and again and everyone takes his bit of craic too seriously.

The worst game in living history was donegal-dublin aisf 2011. I don't think a game has ever came close to that level of direness...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 11, 2015, 09:55:51 AM
Great Idea from Joe. Gives the game a more attacking balance which would overcome the black card blanket conundrum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on May 11, 2015, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2015, 04:33:00 AM
Many of the criticisms of the game are valid, but they are not new.  From 87/88/90/92/93/94/95/97/99 all Ireland finals were putrid so for those who think that Spillane and Brolly are to ne taken seriously I refer you to any of these matches.  The worst game in living history was the Donegal May semi final in 92.  If we really want to admit it the reason why we dont like Gaelic football is because the physicality has been eroded. The reason why handpasses have spawned is because theres no allowed physical way of stopping the runner.  The black card was introduced and one of its side effects has been the  ability to handpass without fear of being stopped.  30 years ago we removed the handpassed goal because it couldnt be predicted and stopped.  30 years on Joe et all forgot about this and supported the introduction of a rule that rewards and protects the running game.  Then they complain. 
As far as the term  Clonoe Conundrum is concerned JB is on the wind up again and again and everyone takes his bit of craic too seriously.

The worst game in living history was donegal-dublin aisf 2011. I don't think a game has ever came close to that level of direness...

Well so far nobody else has come close to this level of hyperboleness lol [yes i may have made that word up]. You should really get out more. I can think of a half dozen worse matchs in AI finals than this.

The usual monday lets change the riules brigade are out in force as usual on a monday morning. though they havent even had a game to watch to set them off this week.

Can ye not remember when Joe rid the game of cynicism a couple of years ago with his last rule change?How did that pan out for ye?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 11, 2015, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 11, 2015, 04:33:00 AM
Many of the criticisms of the game are valid, but they are not new.  From 87/88/90/92/93/94/95/97/99 all Ireland finals were putrid so for those who think that Spillane and Brolly are to ne taken seriously I refer you to any of these matches.  The worst game in living history was the Donegal May semi final in 92.  If we really want to admit it the reason why we dont like Gaelic football is because the physicality has been eroded. The reason why handpasses have spawned is because theres no allowed physical way of stopping the runner.  The black card was introduced and one of its side effects has been the  ability to handpass without fear of being stopped.  30 years ago we removed the handpassed goal because it couldnt be predicted and stopped.  30 years on Joe et all forgot about this and supported the introduction of a rule that rewards and protects the running game.  Then they complain. 
As far as the term  Clonoe Conundrum is concerned JB is on the wind up again and again and everyone takes his bit of craic too seriously.

The worst game in living history was donegal-dublin aisf 2011. I don't think a game has ever came close to that level of direness...

Well so far nobody else has come close to this level of hyperboleness lol [yes i may have made that word up]. You should really get out more. I can think of a half dozen worse matchs in AI finals than this.

The usual monday lets change the riules brigade are out in force as usual on a monday morning. though they havent even had a game to watch to set them off this week.

Can ye not remember when Joe rid the game of cynicism a couple of years ago with his last rule change?How did that pan out for ye?

Sometimes the hyperbole is correct and in that case it was. 10-15 minutes of last year;s final were pretty bad too and the final in general was poor. Finals have too much at stake so it's rare you get a good AI final in the football these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on May 11, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Not a bad idea in theory but it could end up slowing the game down in a big way. I have no doubt teams would come up with a way to counteract it if they wanted to e.g. line all the forwards up on the halfway line, foul in midfield if you don't win the ball and everyone is back in defensive positions by the time the free is taken.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 11, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
Lads I will stick up the link when it becomes available but last night we gave an exhibition of how to play the game, and that involved short kickouts and all!!  Football is far too easy but is being complicated by people who do not have the conviction to play the game as it should be in case they are found out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 11, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Not a bad idea in theory but it could end up slowing the game down in a big way. I have no doubt teams would come up with a way to counteract it if they wanted to e.g. line all the forwards up on the halfway line, foul in midfield if you don't win the ball and everyone is back in defensive positions by the time the free is taken.

Possibly but wouldn't that just show that our mentality regarding the game is really warped?


QuoteWell, the only logical avenue is to change the rules, if teams are, within the current rules, being too negative for your (or Brolly's) preferences. Ludicrous to suggest that a team manager will not explore all options to maximise the chances of success in any game, unless you'd be in favour of Gaelic Football managers being the first in history to exclude defensive options. Football attendances are not collapsing, and haven't been in recent years, though yes, they will fluctuate.

If you think that Brolly's suggestion is a 'simple' change to the rules, I fear you'll have a whole new set of conundrums to deal with. Things are rarely straightforward, especially where rule changes are concerned, and I wouldn't be optimistic -- Brolly was talking about a single club game that finished with a soccer scoreline, and if that were a regular and recurrent scenario then something would have to be done. But it's not, so I would be inclined to still the siren voices.

Again, it isn't my or Brolly's preferences it is the vast majority of football supporters. There are still great games being played but it isn't just the odd defensive team or game that people are complaining about it is the trend (now even at underage level) towards that type of tactic that is concerning.

Nobody said football attendances are collapsing but that doesn't mean people are happy with defensive football so focusing on that is a red herring.

Brolly used one example, that's not to say it's the only one. However, it isn't simply about the score. Teams have now figured out the massed defence but the solution to the massed defence is as bad as the massed defence itself - retain possession play it around outside the mass defence and look for a gap in the defence.

Brolly's suggestion is very simple but you are right, it may cause more problems which is why any proposal should be trialled. Anybody who is not concerned about the current trend towards massed defence is not interested in football IMO because if they were they would also be concerned by trend that may make Conor McManus, James O'Donoghue, Jamie Clarke, Colm O'Neill, Bernard Brogan defunct. Indeed, if the massed defence trend continues then we may no longer have full forward lines at all.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 11, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
Lads I will stick up the link when it becomes available but last night we gave an exhibition of how to play the game, and that involved short kickouts and all!!  Football is far too easy but is being complicated by people who do not have the conviction to play the game as it should be in case they are found out.

And that's the nub of it BC1. It would actually be a shame if we had legislate against short kickouts or hand passing as both have important parts to play in football. However, coaches who want to play risk free, negative, stifling football are killing the game when positive attacking football (with a sound defence) is more effective anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 11, 2015, 10:59:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 10, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Bit of a mad argument/debate lads!
It's all personal opinion about what you like to watch.
Scores are up but more teams play in a defensive way!

Sadly only Derry seem incapable presently of springboarding from this into attack!

Out of the past decade, in my opinion all the all Ireland winners ( plus frequent losers mayo) played with defensive setup except for cork who seem to be either traditionalist or naive!

Current Dublin and Kerry sides are as defensive as anyone with masses of men behind the ball - but they know how to counterattack and score. I'd hope Derry are paying attention!

But that's not the debating point. Teams have always played with a defensive strategy, even if that was simply mark your man. The issue is more and more teams are getting 13, 14 and even 15 players behind the ball and what that means for the game as a spectacle and for the development/skills of the sport. Nobody wants defending removed from the game but many of us don't want to see 15 players behind the ball and what that means for the game in terms of excitement and skills.
but all these aforementioned all Ireland winning (and losing) teams get most of their team behind the ball - this has been happening for the past decade - but more so since 2007.
for me personally- I enjoy the contests, the games.  its a contest either way. I want to see action with a combination of everything- skills, tactics and bravery (plus honesty- no diving or mouthing).

I think too many are looking for a utopian game that isn't required or isn't achievable.

unless you set up a new game and call it football-lite. 13 a side , no backwards passing, bigger pitch, no two consecutive handpasses, one sole and one hop, kickouts must go 40 yards...
might be fine. loads of scores. but prob boring as feck too after a while!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
I have to agree with BCB (quel surprise) that the Cross game included short kickouts and disproved the need for a long kick out. I suppose the difference is that the ball was then kicked up the field in two or three foot passes, not moved sideways for 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 11, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Its funny , that as someone that usually thinks Brolly talks a load of Sh1te, he has stolen a suggestion I posted on here about a month ago ( and also on a few occassions previous to that) and rehashed it as his own.
posted on the 17 april on the 'State of gaelic football' thread:

Quote
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
One rule chnage/tweak that may be worth trialling is to enforce teams to line up as per the throw in for every kickout (i.e 6 forwards, 2 midfeilders,6 defenders) and the kickout must at least cross the 45.
This would eliminate the short kickout, encourage more high feilding and make it more difficult for a team to set up defensively with extra bodies behind the ball.
Im sure someone might come up witha negative aspect of this i havent thought of, but i think if the game needs changing it should be more a tweak like this rather than just 'ban the handpass' or 'reduce the teams to 13' type thing


Im not sure its the solution, but i thought among all the rule changes being suggested it might be worth a trial at least to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 11, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 11, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Its funny , that as someone that usually thinks Brolly talks a load of Sh1te, he has stolen a suggestio i posted on here about a month ago ( and also on a few occassions previous to that) and rehashed it as his own.
posted on the 17 april on the state of gaelic football thread:

Quote
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
One rule chnage/tweak that may be worth trialling is to enforce teams to line up as per the throw in for every kickout (i.e 6 forwards, 2 midfeilders,6 defenders) and the kickout must at least cross the 45.
This would elininate the short kickout, encourage more high feilding and make it more difficult for a team to set up defensively with extra bodies behind the ball.
Im sure someone might come up witha negative aspect of this i havent thought of, but i think if the game needs changing it should be more a tweak like this rather than just 'ban the handpass' or 'reduce the teams to 13' type thing


Im not sure its the solution, but i thought amoung all the rule changes eing suggested it might be wortha  trial at least to see how it plays out.

So Joe gets his ideas from on here? That's quite reassuring actually, as I thought he just made them up as he went along.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 11, 2015, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 11, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
Lads I will stick up the link when it becomes available but last night we gave an exhibition of how to play the game, and that involved short kickouts and all!!  Football is far too easy but is being complicated by people who do not have the conviction to play the game as it should be in case they are found out.

Maybe if Cross had to kick the ball to midfield they would not have won so easy!

On the other hand Hearty was very good with his delivery from kick outs - let and right footed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on May 11, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 10, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
Tall midfielders would not necessarily be a protected species under the new proposal by Joe unless a rule regarding the size of a midfielder was brought in.

Would a smart manager not put an exceptionally quick player on a giant oaf and therefore be guaranteed to win all their own kickouts by virtue of running into space to collect the ball between the two 45s?

All you would need is x1 speedy player and x1 goalkeeper prepared to kick cynically to that players advantage.

On the flipside if you could cynically train this performing monkey/speed demon/lapdog to break a ball off the big lad then the team with said big lad would not necessarily win all their kickouts.

You are right it could well be that a speed merchant would win every kickout but with only 2 players from each team allowed in a large zone then 1 team if they where particularly dominant in that area would absolutely hammer the other team.  e.g.  If Brian Mullans was playing now he could instruct his other midfielder to go stand away at 1 side and then be 1 on 1 for every Dublin kickout, the other team would never win a kickout.  Now if 1 midfielder is particularly dominant the oppositon manager would try to crowd that area or do something to stop it.  Tactics is part of the fascination of the game.  What about full forward, would it be illegal for the other team to have someone covering Keiran Donaghy in the full forward line or must he be 1 on 1?

If the same rule was brought into basketball and the opposition where not allowed to protect the basket, LeBron James would be guaranteed a score every time he got the ball.  Having tactics allows smarter teams to have a chance against player for player better teams.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
Yes, but that's what used to happen in football, now some teams simply bring everyone back into their defence which adheres to the most basic defensive reality - fill up the space in the scoring zone and it becomes difficult for your opponents to score. There's no thoughtfulness to that, no imagination being used to solve a problem like a big full forward or a fast full forward line. It is bog basic stuff and is shite to watch particularly if it becomes the norm which appears to be the case.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 11, 2015, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
I have to agree with BCB (quel surprise) that the Cross game included short kickouts and disproved the need for a long kick out. I suppose the difference is that the ball was then kicked up the field in two or three foot passes, not moved sideways for 10 minutes.

I hardly think cross playing in one of the weakest club championships around prove anything . In a game between two competitive teams all teams revert to type . Which isn't a blanket defence. It's the Battle of the bulge
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stringbean on May 11, 2015, 01:45:13 PM
The problem with Joe's suggestion is that the kicked ball into a forward line will be limited. If you have a midfielder who beats his man to the kickout and turns him (easily done given the large volume of room in the midfield area), any player with any sense will carry the ball at the defence to make a 7 on 6 situation as opposed to kicking it into a full forward line that where space is at a premium - 12 players instead the 50.

What we'll be left with is a game dominated by the fittest team
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on May 11, 2015, 01:47:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
Yes, but that's what used to happen in football, now some teams simply bring everyone back into their defence which adheres to the most basic defensive reality - fill up the space in the scoring zone and it becomes difficult for your opponents to score. There's no thoughtfulness to that, no imagination being used to solve a problem like a big full forward or a fast full forward line. It is bog basic stuff and is shite to watch particularly if it becomes the norm which appears to be the case.

It's a myth that tactics only began in 2003 and that before that every team stood 1 to 15 in there zone.  Short kickouts is a dangerous tactic, if the other team press high up the pitch then 1 mistake and they can walk it into the net.  The same with having 3 or 4 players tackling 1 player, if they get it wrong the other team have 3 players somewhere unmarked.  Take the famous incident in 2003 where Darragh O'Se tried to bull his way through 4 players.  Around 58 second in below video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxUh5xsyz1E


He had 2 or 3 chances to dump the ball off before he lost it that would have opened Tyrone up.  Corofin and Crossmaglen at club level have shown that they can beat defensive systems by moving the ball quickly through the feet into the full forward line before the other team gets a chance to set up defensively.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 11, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
I was a neutral at a club game at the weekend (my brother in law played for one of the teams). It was div 2 so poor enough standard. Both sides played 13 behind the ball. All the manager shouted on the line was "get back, get back lads" When they had the ball he hadn't a word to say. Basically you now have managers and "coaches" who coach men back tactics but are clueless on other aspects of the game.

At least Brolly speaks up with ideas which lead to debate. Others say nothing except criticise when ideas are proposed.

For the record I left the game at half time and won't be back. The game as we knew it is absolutely dead and needs revived.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 11, 2015, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 11, 2015, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 11, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
Lads I will stick up the link when it becomes available but last night we gave an exhibition of how to play the game, and that involved short kickouts and all!!  Football is far too easy but is being complicated by people who do not have the conviction to play the game as it should be in case they are found out.

Maybe if Cross had to kick the ball to midfield they would not have won so easy!

On the other hand Hearty was very good with his delivery from kick outs - let and right footed.

In fairness, the ball was kicked to the MF a fair few times and we won most of them too.  Liked the right footed kick outs myself  :D

Quote from: INDIANA on May 11, 2015, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
I have to agree with BCB (quel surprise) that the Cross game included short kickouts and disproved the need for a long kick out. I suppose the difference is that the ball was then kicked up the field in two or three foot passes, not moved sideways for 10 minutes.

I hardly think cross playing in one of the weakest club championships around prove anything . In a game between two competitive teams all teams revert to type . Which isn't a blanket defence. It's the Battle of the bulge

Point is no matter if it's the first round of the championship or the AI club final, we play the same way and generally win most games.  The key to the whole thing is the approach to how you want to win the game. Many clubs and counties have outside managers (I am an outside manager in a small club too so I'm speaking from experience) and each outside manager has his own ideas but, as I personally have found, when a few results go against you the pressure starts building about the style of football, sweepers, set up not to lose as opposed to going out to win. As a result the football retracts into a 'keep it safe' mode and players then become reluctant to express themselves as managers are under pressure and tell them to play the safe way. This leads to sterile training, sterile games and sterile players. Cross are one of the few clubs that have exclusively in house managers. As a result they have been able to maintain a consistent approach across all levels in terms of how the game is coached and played.  This is reflective of club football but club football is reflective of the county game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on May 11, 2015, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: ck on May 11, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
I was a neutral at a club game at the weekend (my brother in law played for one of the teams). It was div 2 so poor enough standard. Both sides played 13 behind the ball. All the manager shouted on the line was "get back, get back lads" When they had the ball he hadn't a word to say. Basically you now have managers and "coaches" who coach men back tactics but are clueless on other aspects of the game.

At least Brolly speaks up with ideas which lead to debate. Others say nothing except criticise when ideas are proposed.

For the record I left the game at half time and won't be back. The game as we knew it is absolutely dead and needs revived.

Would Corofin be All Ireland champions if they played like that?  I doubt it.  They have some very good players but no superstars.  They play as a team and move the ball fast with there forwards getting out in front of the full back line.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 11, 2015, 02:57:38 PM
Brolly's suggestion sounds at least worth a try to see if it's workable. Could be done in the January competitions and then maybe the league and take it from there.

Where would we play Michael Murphy though! :p
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 11, 2015, 02:58:21 PM
Whilst the XMG model is one all clubs can aspire to, consistent, quality coaching to integrate new players, at IC level Managers do not get the luxury of time. There is serious pressure heaped on them by Joe and his colleagues in the 4th estate, as well as by supporters. That pressure has become more personalised, not just on bar stools but in TV studios and it would be an incredibly foolhardy Manager who would expect the time and freedom to develop a game plan beyond the quick fix of low risk defensive football.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: stringbean on May 11, 2015, 01:45:13 PM
The problem with Joe's suggestion is that the kicked ball into a forward line will be limited. If you have a midfielder who beats his man to the kickout and turns him (easily done given the large volume of room in the midfield area), any player with any sense will carry the ball at the defence to make a 7 on 6 situation as opposed to kicking it into a full forward line that where space is at a premium - 12 players instead the 50.

What we'll be left with is a game dominated by the fittest team

I would completely disagree with this. If you won the ball in midfield and turned your man I would expect the midfielder to deliver the ball long into his full forward line and I'd imagine most would feel that's the most effective way to attack.

QuoteIt's a myth that tactics only began in 2003 and that before that every team stood 1 to 15 in there zone.

But nobody is saying that, we all accept there have been tactics for a very long time in football but just not the utterly defensive football that is becoming more common.

QuoteCorofin and Crossmaglen at club level have shown that they can beat defensive systems by moving the ball quickly through the feet into the full forward line before the other team gets a chance to set up defensively.

That only works if you're playing against a team that gets bodies back quickly but some teams are now keeping players back and if that happens then long kicking into the full forward line is totally pointless.

Look, you could go around this a hundred times but we are seeing and hearing of more and more games where teams are looking to not lose rather than win. As BC1 says, managers are under pressure to deliver results and the easiest way to do that is to go defensive. And the best way to counter that is to go defensive yourself and patiently retain possession. And that is often fairly putrid to watch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hereiam on May 11, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Don't soccer teams put 10 men behind the ball over in England and there isn't the same outcry as what is happening here. Its nothing new it just needs a bit of extra training/skill/thinking by managers to find a way to counter act it. No need for any rules to be changed for gods sake just let the dam game sort itself out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 05:50:50 PM
Soccer is a totally sport as are basketball, rugby and American football what is ok in them is not necessarily ok in football. Besides they are world sports with proper seasons rather than the elongated warm up circuit that is the league and then the utter pressure of the league. It is fully understandable that in those circumstances managers opt for safety first football. Just look at Jim Gavin, hammered for losing to Donegal as naive rather than lauded for being brave enough to back his players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 11, 2015, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 05:50:50 PM
Soccer is a totally sport as are basketball, rugby and American football what is ok in them is not necessarily ok in football. Besides they are world sports with proper seasons rather than the elongated warm up circuit that is the league and then the utter pressure of the league. It is fully understandable that in those circumstances managers opt for safety first football. Just look at Jim Gavin, hammered for losing to Donegal as naive rather than lauded for being brave enough to back his players.

Gavin was lauded left, right and center for Dublin ' s cavalier approach,  allied to a very strong bench/squad, being apparently unbeatable and the saviour of Gaelic football.  Until it wasn't.  Everyone was very smart in retrospect. I suppose Gavin could be criticized for not reacting on the day as things unfolded, but Donegal scored 3-7 or whatever it was in the space of 15 or so minutes either side of halftime. It all happened so quickly. Outside of the Donegal camp and one or two minor Ulster pundits, NO ONE saw that vulnerability or, if they did, thought it would be such a factor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 12, 2015, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu on May 11, 2015, 05:50:50 PM
Soccer is a totally sport as are basketball, rugby and American football what is ok in them is not necessarily ok in football. Besides they are world sports with proper seasons rather than the elongated warm up circuit that is the league and then the utter pressure of the league. It is fully understandable that in those circumstances managers opt for safety first football. Just look at Jim Gavin, hammered for losing to Donegal as naive rather than lauded for being brave enough to back his players.

That is my greatest problem with Brolly. on one hand he will slaughter a manager for being naive and leaving his defense exposed or for not double marking a danger man on the other he would slaughter the same Manager for setting up more defensively. You have only to look back at his recent comments on Grimleys Armagh and on Cavan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Yes LeoMc, I completely agree but this isn't about Joe Brolly or any other pundit. Some lads are trying to make out we'd all be happy with the current state of football only for a few high profile pundits moaning, we wouldn't. What Brolly said about Grimley was a disgrace and I couldn't care less what Joe thinks. He'll have his opinions and I'll broadly agree with some and disagree with others. But you're right insofar as we can't hammer coaches for being somewhat cavalier and then if they get beaten hammer them for going ultra defensive.

I don't envy current IC managers now as they have amazing talent at their disposal but they only have two cup competitions to play in (the provincial and all Ireland championships). Most have little hope of winning either and all but a handful have a chance of winning the main one. Therefore I'm not surprised that managers now use the league to fine tune a system that will make them competitive and stave off the daft criticism they receive when beaten by a team that could and possibly should beat them most days.

I've been on here a good bit complaining about defensive football but if I was given an IC job tomorrow would I play traditional football? Highly unlikely if I'm honest, certainly not unless I had a top 5 team. But one of the reasons for that is I wouldn't last two years playing traditional football unless I was winning. If I (or a lot of coaches) were given time you might be able to work on a more positive system that would also be a winning one but nobody wants a winning team 3 years from now, they want one now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 12, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Yes LeoMc, I completely agree but this isn't about Joe Brolly or any other pundit. Some lads are trying to make out we'd all be happy with the current state of football only for a few high profile pundits moaning, we wouldn't. What Brolly said about Grimley was a disgrace and I couldn't care less what Joe thinks. He'll have his opinions and I'll broadly agree with some and disagree with others. But you're right insofar as we can't hammer coaches for being somewhat cavalier and then if they get beaten hammer them for going ultra defensive.

I don't envy current IC managers now as they have amazing talent at their disposal but they only have two cup competitions to play in (the provincial and all Ireland championships). Most have little hope of winning either and all but a handful have a chance of winning the main one. Therefore I'm not surprised that managers now use the league to fine tune a system that will make them competitive and stave off the daft criticism they receive when beaten by a team that could and possibly should beat them most days.

I've been on here a good bit complaining about defensive football but if I was given an IC job tomorrow would I play traditional football? Highly unlikely if I'm honest, certainly not unless I had a top 5 team. But one of the reasons for that is I wouldn't last two years playing traditional football unless I was winning. If I (or a lot of coaches) were given time you might be able to work on a more positive system that would also be a winning one but nobody wants a winning team 3 years from now, they want one now.

I wasn't trying to blame Joe for the ills of the current game per se, just using him as an example of the pressure the IC Manager is under.
I would not be in favour of short term fixes and knee-jerk tinkering with the rules as whatever the changes the IC Manager will look to exploit them to the limit. The fixes have to be more long term, better structured seasons giving more regular football, better coaching of referees to implement the current rules consistently and better coaching of coaches and coaching officers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 12, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Yes LeoMc, I completely agree but this isn't about Joe Brolly or any other pundit. Some lads are trying to make out we'd all be happy with the current state of football only for a few high profile pundits moaning, we wouldn't. What Brolly said about Grimley was a disgrace and I couldn't care less what Joe thinks. He'll have his opinions and I'll broadly agree with some and disagree with others. But you're right insofar as we can't hammer coaches for being somewhat cavalier and then if they get beaten hammer them for going ultra defensive.

I don't envy current IC managers now as they have amazing talent at their disposal but they only have two cup competitions to play in (the provincial and all Ireland championships). Most have little hope of winning either and all but a handful have a chance of winning the main one. Therefore I'm not surprised that managers now use the league to fine tune a system that will make them competitive and stave off the daft criticism they receive when beaten by a team that could and possibly should beat them most days.

I've been on here a good bit complaining about defensive football but if I was given an IC job tomorrow would I play traditional football? Highly unlikely if I'm honest, certainly not unless I had a top 5 team. But one of the reasons for that is I wouldn't last two years playing traditional football unless I was winning. If I (or a lot of coaches) were given time you might be able to work on a more positive system that would also be a winning one but nobody wants a winning team 3 years from now, they want one now.

I wasn't trying to blame Joe for the ills of the current game per se, just using him as an example of the pressure the IC Manager is under.
I would not be in favour of short term fixes and knee-jerk tinkering with the rules as whatever the changes the IC Manager will look to exploit them to the limit. The fixes have to be more long term, better structured seasons giving more regular football, better coaching of referees to implement the current rules consistently and better coaching of coaches and coaching officers.

You can't coach physics Leo. This is one time where the rule makers need to intervene
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 12, 2015, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 12, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Yes LeoMc, I completely agree but this isn't about Joe Brolly or any other pundit. Some lads are trying to make out we'd all be happy with the current state of football only for a few high profile pundits moaning, we wouldn't. What Brolly said about Grimley was a disgrace and I couldn't care less what Joe thinks. He'll have his opinions and I'll broadly agree with some and disagree with others. But you're right insofar as we can't hammer coaches for being somewhat cavalier and then if they get beaten hammer them for going ultra defensive.

I don't envy current IC managers now as they have amazing talent at their disposal but they only have two cup competitions to play in (the provincial and all Ireland championships). Most have little hope of winning either and all but a handful have a chance of winning the main one. Therefore I'm not surprised that managers now use the league to fine tune a system that will make them competitive and stave off the daft criticism they receive when beaten by a team that could and possibly should beat them most days.

I've been on here a good bit complaining about defensive football but if I was given an IC job tomorrow would I play traditional football? Highly unlikely if I'm honest, certainly not unless I had a top 5 team. But one of the reasons for that is I wouldn't last two years playing traditional football unless I was winning. If I (or a lot of coaches) were given time you might be able to work on a more positive system that would also be a winning one but nobody wants a winning team 3 years from now, they want one now.

I wasn't trying to blame Joe for the ills of the current game per se, just using him as an example of the pressure the IC Manager is under.
I would not be in favour of short term fixes and knee-jerk tinkering with the rules as whatever the changes the IC Manager will look to exploit them to the limit. The fixes have to be more long term, better structured seasons giving more regular football, better coaching of referees to implement the current rules consistently and better coaching of coaches and coaching officers.

You can't coach physics Leo. This is one time where the rule makers need to intervene

Who taught you that little buzz phrase? You certainly enjoy using it. Unfortunately, though, like most buzz phrases it means nothing. Just because Dublin can't break down a crowded defence doesn't mean others can't. You don't just give up and whinge to change the rules because the bad boys aren't playing properly!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2015, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 12, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Yes LeoMc, I completely agree but this isn't about Joe Brolly or any other pundit. Some lads are trying to make out we'd all be happy with the current state of football only for a few high profile pundits moaning, we wouldn't. What Brolly said about Grimley was a disgrace and I couldn't care less what Joe thinks. He'll have his opinions and I'll broadly agree with some and disagree with others. But you're right insofar as we can't hammer coaches for being somewhat cavalier and then if they get beaten hammer them for going ultra defensive.

I don't envy current IC managers now as they have amazing talent at their disposal but they only have two cup competitions to play in (the provincial and all Ireland championships). Most have little hope of winning either and all but a handful have a chance of winning the main one. Therefore I'm not surprised that managers now use the league to fine tune a system that will make them competitive and stave off the daft criticism they receive when beaten by a team that could and possibly should beat them most days.

I've been on here a good bit complaining about defensive football but if I was given an IC job tomorrow would I play traditional football? Highly unlikely if I'm honest, certainly not unless I had a top 5 team. But one of the reasons for that is I wouldn't last two years playing traditional football unless I was winning. If I (or a lot of coaches) were given time you might be able to work on a more positive system that would also be a winning one but nobody wants a winning team 3 years from now, they want one now.

I wasn't trying to blame Joe for the ills of the current game per se, just using him as an example of the pressure the IC Manager is under.
I would not be in favour of short term fixes and knee-jerk tinkering with the rules as whatever the changes the IC Manager will look to exploit them to the limit. The fixes have to be more long term, better structured seasons giving more regular football, better coaching of referees to implement the current rules consistently and better coaching of coaches and coaching officers.

You can't coach physics Leo. This is one time where the rule makers need to intervene

Who taught you that little buzz phrase? You certainly enjoy using it. Unfortunately, though, like most buzz phrases it means nothing. Just because Dublin can't break down a crowded defence doesn't mean others can't. You don't just give up and whinge to change the rules because the bad boys aren't playing properly!

Dublin can break down any defence in fairness. Just look at the talent we have for God's sake. Nobody can beat us for conditioning either  (they might match us for conditioning if you are lucky but they certainly won't be fitter)- you'd only have to watch our club sides to see that.
Gavin got his tactics wrong last year trying to play football which is a sad situation for the game.
As regards physics in a confined space where a football can only be propelled a certain distance and the opposition including a goalie have 14 men behind the ball. Yes physics becomes a reality of life rather then a buzz word.

Face facts Benny you're afraid the rule-makers will give Gaelic Football it's soul back. It might even bring the art of defence back which has been sadly lost due to these tactics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
Brolly's suggestion, far from being 'simple', is actually simply farcical.

For the first time ever in Gaelic Games, the whole complexion of a game would be changed, where teams will have to reconfigure (potentially quite often) on the park during the game to a set of predefined zonal rules. The potential for ridicule is boundless, for almost all concerned.

One suggestion that has been mooted before, and which should be given a fair wind before any of the more radical 'cures' are considered, would be to reduce the team size to 13-a-side.

Advantages: 1. no minor or major surgery to playing rules involved (with the sole exception of the number of initial players on the park); 2. the 'blanket defence' potency is dramatically reduced, purely by dint of the insufficient number of players to block up all channels of attack; 3. fitness levels of the players these days are light years ahead of what they were when the rules were drawn up, and for that reason alone the numbers involved should be reviewed regardless, since the playing parks have not increased in size; 4. With fewer players on the park, and the consequent greater distance between players of the same team, on average, the ratio of hand-passing to kicking should similarly diminish as a consequence; and 5. So easy to try it out, with no major readjustments of the players' mindsets involved.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
Brolly's suggestion, far from being 'simple', is actually simply farcical.

For the first time ever in Gaelic Games, the whole complexion of a game would be changed, where teams will have to reconfigure (potentially quite often) on the park during the game to a set of predefined zonal rules. The potential for ridicule is boundless, for almost all concerned.

One suggestion that has been mooted before, and which should be given a fair wind before any of the more radical 'cures' are considered, would be to reduce the team size to 13-a-side.

Advantages: 1. no minor or major surgery to playing rules involved (with the sole exception of the number of initial players on the park); 2. the 'blanket defence' potency is dramatically reduced, purely by dint of the insufficient number of players to block up all channels of attack; 3. fitness levels of the players these days are light years ahead of what they were when the rules were drawn up, and for that reason alone the numbers involved should be reviewed regardless, since the playing parks have not increased in size; 4. With fewer players on the park, and the consequent greater distance between players of the same team, on average, the ratio of hand-passing to kicking should similarly diminish as a consequence; and 5. So easy to try it out, with no major readjustments of the players' mindsets involved.

you reduce the game to 13 a side it is not Gaelic Football anymore in my view.

You're also reducing participation numbers which gives an  advantage to rival sports. Its why Rugby Union rejected it in 2009

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
you reduce the game to 13 a side it is not Gaelic Football anymore in my view.

So, a reduction in blanket defending and an increase in foot passing, and it's not Gaelic Football any more? Jeez, make your mind up!


Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
You're also reducing participation numbers which gives an  advantage to rival sports. Its why Rugby Union rejected it in 2009

A little bit of imagination should be employed to mitigate the impact of reduced numbers in that respect, like the same number of subs, or even increase the number of subs, etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
you reduce the game to 13 a side it is not Gaelic Football anymore in my view.

So, a reduction in blanket defending and an increase in foot passing, and it's not Gaelic Football any more? Jeez, make your mind up!


Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
You're also reducing participation numbers which gives an  advantage to rival sports. Its why Rugby Union rejected it in 2009

A little bit of imagination should be employed to mitigate the impact of reduced numbers in that respect, like the same number of subs, or even increase the number of subs, etc.

We don't need 13 a  side to eradicate the problem. Just a tweaking of the rules.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 12, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
you reduce the game to 13 a side it is not Gaelic Football anymore in my view.

So, a reduction in blanket defending and an increase in foot passing, and it's not Gaelic Football any more? Jeez, make your mind up!


Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
You're also reducing participation numbers which gives an  advantage to rival sports. Its why Rugby Union rejected it in 2009

A little bit of imagination should be employed to mitigate the impact of reduced numbers in that respect, like the same number of subs, or even increase the number of subs, etc.

We don't need 13 a  side to eradicate the problem. Just a tweaking of the rules.

The Mayo County U-21 Championship used to be 13 a side. TBH you would hardly notice as long as you were fit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:08:26 PM
We don't need 13 a  side to eradicate the problem. Just a tweaking of the rules.

Brolly's harebrained suggestion is not a tweak.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:08:26 PM
We don't need 13 a  side to eradicate the problem. Just a tweaking of the rules.

Brolly's harebrained suggestion is not a tweak.

Its a reasonable idea that's worth a trial.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on May 12, 2015, 10:29:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
Brolly's suggestion, far from being 'simple', is actually simply farcical.

For the first time ever in Gaelic Games, the whole complexion of a game would be changed, where teams will have to reconfigure (potentially quite often) on the park during the game to a set of predefined zonal rules. The potential for ridicule is boundless, for almost all concerned.

One suggestion that has been mooted before, and which should be given a fair wind before any of the more radical 'cures' are considered, would be to reduce the team size to 13-a-side.

Advantages: 1. no minor or major surgery to playing rules involved (with the sole exception of the number of initial players on the park); 2. the 'blanket defence' potency is dramatically reduced, purely by dint of the insufficient number of players to block up all channels of attack; 3. fitness levels of the players these days are light years ahead of what they were when the rules were drawn up, and for that reason alone the numbers involved should be reviewed regardless, since the playing parks have not increased in size; 4. With fewer players on the park, and the consequent greater distance between players of the same team, on average, the ratio of hand-passing to kicking should similarly diminish as a consequence; and 5. So easy to try it out, with no major readjustments of the players' mindsets involved.
Other advantages:
Less contact injuries
Easier for small clubs to get teams out
Small clubs can aim for 13 a side at underage, as opposed to many clubs playing 11 , 9 a side or amalgamating at underage leaving them poorly prepared for 15 a side football.
More competition for places on the team, thereby improving commitment
Cost savings for clubs and especially in preparation of county teams
Less pitch wear
No requirement for several clubs to increase their current pitch size as per correspondence to clubs last year re regulation pitch size

In my opinion changing to 13 a side will revitalise smaller clubs , which are the lifeblood of the association, while actually improving competitiveness and standards in bigger clubs. Regarding comparing the concerns re retaining numbers as per rugby, the infrastructure of the two sports is entirely different . In the GAA heartlands of Down there are over 40 Gaa clubs covering even the most rural areas, compared to ~3 rugby clubs.
Gaa participation is most under threat by the potential folding of smaller clubs, and unpredictable unfilled fixtures . Changing our games to 13 a side makes it easier for teams to field. In East down , the Reserve league changed to 13 a side two years ago, and this appears to have improved the number of teams entering and the amount of games played.
Demographic changes and several other factors including recent rule changes are going to make it more difficult for smaller clubs to field 15 a side teams, and reducing to 13 a side would not only improve the game itself, it could secure and revitalise many small clubs currently under pressure
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
Good points 6th sam, and fully agreed.

As muppet says, was barely perceptible when their (Mayo) U21s adopted same, so it's not like it hasn't been tried before at all, in proper competition.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 09:24:33 AM
Yerra make the field 10 metres wider and 20 metres longer. That would sort it all out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 13, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
Brollys idea should only be one idea being considered. I wouldn't flatly rule it out but there are committees set up to deal with these ideas and surely they are at least as well equipped as Brolly in coming forward with suitable proposals. Was this an idea Brolly himself dreamed up or did somebody else present it to him in the knowledge that it would get plenty of airtime once Brolly had got his teeth into it?? Was he asked to trial it in training or why did he feel the need to have done this?? He was largely responsible for the introduction of the black card, it will be interesting to see if the GAA adopt any or all of these new proposals as he seems to be setting the whole agenda for how the GAA is run. If there were enough forward thinking GAA administrators particularly in relation to fixtures overhaul and rule changes there would be no need for Brolly to be setting the agenda but the powers that be are far too slow to embrace or recognise the need for change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 13, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
I had a good idea for a rule change.
It's in this thread somewhere.
Can't remember what it was exactly, but it was good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 12, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
Brolly's suggestion, far from being 'simple', is actually simply farcical.

For the first time ever in Gaelic Games, the whole complexion of a game would be changed, where teams will have to reconfigure (potentially quite often) on the park during the game to a set of predefined zonal rules. The potential for ridicule is boundless, for almost all concerned.

One suggestion that has been mooted before, and which should be given a fair wind before any of the more radical 'cures' are considered, would be to reduce the team size to 13-a-side.

Advantages: 1. no minor or major surgery to playing rules involved (with the sole exception of the number of initial players on the park); 2. the 'blanket defence' potency is dramatically reduced, purely by dint of the insufficient number of players to block up all channels of attack; 3. fitness levels of the players these days are light years ahead of what they were when the rules were drawn up, and for that reason alone the numbers involved should be reviewed regardless, since the playing parks have not increased in size; 4. With fewer players on the park, and the consequent greater distance between players of the same team, on average, the ratio of hand-passing to kicking should similarly diminish as a consequence; and 5. So easy to try it out, with no major readjustments of the players' mindsets involved.

While Brolly's suggestion may have flaws the only way to see how works is to trial it and it is certainly worth that. We often play 13 a side in Britain and whatever else it does it doesn't make the blanket defence, especially the extreme versions, redundant. I don't think the problems in the game would be much impacted by having 13 behind the ball as opposed to 15. An this would be harder to trial than Brolly's idea as you'd possibly be impacting on the number of people who can play, panel sizes, substitution regulations etc. I'd leave things for now but I'd certainly be open to all suggestions for trial periods to see how we go. The real thing we need to change though is attitudes - view the game more positively and all would be fine. View a football match as a grim choking match to the death and perhaps there is nothing we can do to free the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on May 13, 2015, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
you reduce the game to 13 a side it is not Gaelic Football anymore in my view.

So reducing the numbers on a team means it's not Gaelic Football?? Does that mean any All Ireland's played before 1913 (?) belong to a different sport??

But changing the rules so that every team has to "re-set" for a kickout is still Gaelic Football??

You must be on the wind but here's the amended roll of honour (as an aside, gaa.ie roll of honour hasn't been updated since 2011  :o) anyway having removed All Irelands played in different sports - Limerick in particular will be raging:

Kerry (34) - 1913, 1914, 1924, 1926, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, 1937, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1946, 1953, 1955, 1959, 1962, 1969, 1970, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2014
Dublin (13) - 1921, 1922, 1923, 1942, 1958, 1963, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1983, 1995, 2011, 2013
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Meath (7) - 1949, 1954, 1967, 1987, 1988, 1996, 1999.
Cork (5) - 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
Down (5) - 1960, 1961, 1968, 1991, 1994.
Cavan (5) - 1933, 1935, 1947, 1948, 1952.
Wexford (4) -  1915, 1916, 1917, 1918.
Tyrone (3) - 2003, 2005, 2008.
Offaly (3) - 1971, 1972, 1982.
Mayo (3) - 1936, 1950, 1951.
Kildare (3) - 1919, 1927, 1928.
Donegal (2) - 1992, 2012
Roscommon (2) - 1943, 1944.
Armagh (1) - 2002
Derry (1) - 1993
Louth (1) - 1957.
Tipperary (1) - 1920.
Limerick (0) -
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 13, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 13, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
While Brolly's suggestion may have flaws the only way to see how works is to trial it and it is certainly worth that. We often play 13 a side in Britain and whatever else it does it doesn't make the blanket defence, especially the extreme versions, redundant. I don't think the problems in the game would be much impacted by having 13 behind the ball as opposed to 15. An this would be harder to trial than Brolly's idea as you'd possibly be impacting on the number of people who can play, panel sizes, substitution regulations etc. I'd leave things for now but I'd certainly be open to all suggestions for trial periods to see how we go. The real thing we need to change though is attitudes - view the game more positively and all would be fine. View a football match as a grim choking match to the death and perhaps there is nothing we can do to free the game.

Brolly's barmy folly doesn't just have flaws, it's a total bag of shite, not to put it too mildly! ;)

I'll gladly concede to your greater experience with the 13-a-side, but would it be fair to say that if a team has any realistic designs on scoring then it would render the blanket a less plausible and profitable approach, ie., would it reduce the likelihood of wholesale deployment?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Why not make it 14 aside. Each team plays with 5 defenders and 6 forwards and no one is allowed to mark the free forward. That free forward us not allowed outside the 45 at any time during the game and if he gets the ball no one is allowed to tackle him. That would cure it all!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Agent Orange on May 13, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Why not make it 14 aside. Each team plays with 5 defenders and 6 forwards and no one is allowed to mark the free forward. That free forward us not allowed outside the 45 at any time during the game and if he gets the ball no one is allowed to tackle him. That would cure it all!!!

You'd be better off making it eleven a side, thus making the pitch considerably smaller, should appeal to the residents around Casement Park. Only allowing the keeper to handle the ball, introducing some sort of rule to stop moochers, could also keep the Casement residents on side, maybe call it the off side rule. Do away with the anthem and repackage it and sell it to Sky. Everyones a winner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on May 13, 2015, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Why not make it 14 aside. Each team plays with 5 defenders and 6 forwards and no one is allowed to mark the free forward. That free forward us not allowed outside the 45 at any time during the game and if he gets the ball no one is allowed to tackle him. That would cure it all!!!
Fair play bc1!
As a Cross man, I can see why u want to keep it a 15-a-side, to accommodate all incoming transfers from surrounding clubs! ;)
Sorry, couldn't resist it!
Joking aside, there is a real demographic problem for the GAA going forward: smaller families, rural depopulation etc. Clubs like Crossmaglen will always be strong given their tradition and recent phenomenal success, but there will be real problems in smaller less glamourous clubs over the next few years. Probably the GAA's single biggest strength is the fact that you couldn't drive 5 miles almost anywhere in Ireland without hitting a GAA club. There is no doubt that as well providing a sporting and cultural outlet on the doorstep of anyone who wishes to take part, it engenders local tribal rivalry unmatched in any other sport. If that strong local identity is diluted by the folding of clubs, we will lose our biggest asset.
Demographic, social, and recent rule changes are making it increasingly difficult for all but the strongest clubs to compete at 15-a-side at all levels. Within 5 years we will lose a number of small clubs, unless we get serious about protecting and revitalising them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 13, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Why not make it 14 aside. Each team plays with 5 defenders and 6 forwards and no one is allowed to mark the free forward. That free forward us not allowed outside the 45 at any time during the game and if he gets the ball no one is allowed to tackle him. That would cure it all!!!

.....or just have no goalies.  ;D

No player from either team allowed inside the large rectangle until the ball is spinning at a minimum of 60 rpm.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on May 13, 2015, 03:36:14 PM
Gaelic must be the sport with the highest number of rule changes in the whole sporting world. FFS F1 doesnt have as many changes. There's always a committee or commission or body who are in the process of addressing the playing rules from as far back as I can remember. It's farcical at this stage.

And to cap it all there's a load of hot air balloons on here parrotting a gobshite like Joe Brolly with a barmy idea that he clearly shamelessly plagiarised off someone else, and treating it like the 2nd coming of christ. And all because some crowd of cheeky caaants had the temerity to bate them when they were sposed to win the AI for the next ten years at their leisure.

Would ye ffs just grow up, take your batin with a bit of grace and class and come back harder next year. Which is what Gaelic football is really all about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 13, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
QuoteWhile Brolly's suggestion may have flaws the only way to see how works is to trial it and it is certainly worth that

Joe could do that himself handy enough or at least talk to a man to do it for him.

It could get messy towards the end of game when a team is say 3 or 4 ahead and trying to kill the clock, I can see lots of frees for back pushing been sacrificed by the team ahead and then the scamper back to the blanket. Also late in the game the goalie could just kick the ball over the sideline past the 45 on purpose and then re-set the blanket.

Imagine if this old rule was brought back in today's game.........."The match shall be decided by the greater number of goals. If no goal be kicked, the match shall be deemed a draw. A goal is scored when the ball is kicked through the goalposts under the cross-bar"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 13, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 13, 2015, 03:36:14 PM
Gaelic must be the sport with the highest number of rule changes in the whole sporting world. FFS F1 doesnt have as many changes. There's always a committee or commission or body who are in the process of addressing the playing rules from as far back as I can remember. It's farcical at this stage.

And to cap it all there's a load of hot air balloons on here parrotting a gobshite like Joe Brolly with a barmy idea that he clearly shamelessly plagiarised off someone else, and treating it like the 2nd coming of christ. And all because some crowd of cheeky caaants had the temerity to bate them when they were sposed to win the AI for the next ten years at their leisure.

Would ye ffs just grow up, take your batin with a bit of grace and class and come back harder next year. Which is what Gaelic football is really all about.

While they have been quiet recently, the NBA has to be the leader in rule changes: http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html (http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html)

Have to say the more rule changes, the more unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 14, 2015, 01:13:24 AM
Armagh county board have announced a trial of the 13 a side idea, starting with one team and they've nominated Cross. Other teams will remain as 15 for now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2015, 01:37:01 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Why not make it 14 aside. Each team plays with 5 defenders and 6 forwards and no one is allowed to mark the free forward. That free forward us not allowed outside the 45 at any time during the game and if he gets the ball no one is allowed to tackle him. That would cure it all!!!

I'd go further. Make it 11 a side. 8 less players would make a hell of a difference
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on May 14, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
I've mentioned this on umpteen threads now, but there is a galling, myopic and even dangerous failure among people who have ideas to "improve" football, to recognise that every rule change brings unexpected outcomes.

----

The 13 a side discussion above is the the classic example. Yes communities are dwindling in rural Ireland, but the crux of the problem for clubs not fielding teams is not the number of available bodies, but the number of interested bodies.

Gaelic football is a direct opponent game, and as a result is simply not an enjoyable sport to play unless you're fit, and at most levels, unless you're very fit. Otherwise it's too easy to be exposed, even by limited natural talents.

It requires genuine dedication in terms of time an fitness, at almost every level.

Making the game 13-a-side would only put a greater emphasis again on fitness and speed, which I believe would further discourage mass participation. If you're a middling athlete with a busy life, then soccer or rugby will be much more attractive options to play.

----

Back to outcomes. Probably the single biggest rule change in football came in 1990 when frees could be kicked from hand.

The immediate and medium term result was a much better game - it was quicker and more free flowing.

But the current perceived malaise in our game (a thinking I don't subscribe to) can be traced back to this change.

Prior to 1990 the game was fundamentally one about territory. A general absence of short frees meant that this method of restart inevitably resulted in delivering the ball as far forward as possible.

From 1990 the newfound ability to deliver restarts quickly, sideways and back ways, saw the game slowly evolve into a possession based sport, and the last 4-5 years has seen that concept taken to a new level. There is no need to risk 50:50 possession from a restart; indeed in the majority of cases you'd be insane to do so.

By the way I'm not advocating a return to kicks from the ground. Just pointing out that if our legions of tinkermen want to get to the root of their perceived problem, this is where they should start looking.

For as long as the game encourages the sensible retention of possession, then coaches will encourage players to hold onto the ball and wait for the right opportunity to exploit - and conversely they will accept that there is nothing to be gained from sustained defensive techniques in their opponent's half, as their opponents present no actual danger until they cross the half way line.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on May 14, 2015, 07:57:15 AM
Agree entirely wobbler with most of your points re the unpredicted outcomes of rule changes. The black card , is the most recent example of a knee jerk change that hasn't worked in most people's view. However healthy and reasoned debate on occasional select changes can allow our games to evolve, as long as we don't get endless tinkering.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 09:42:33 AM
Here Wobbler, there's absolutely no need to be coming on here making logical points and reasoned arguments. or indulging in a bit of thought before posting.

Im sure there are other forums for that type of thing.

Don't you know the whole game is in a state of chassis!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: SamFever on May 14, 2015, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 09:42:33 AM
Here Wobbler, there's absolutely no need to be coming on here making logical points and reasoned arguments. or indulging in a bit of thought before posting.

Im sure there are other forums for that type of thing.

Don't you know the whole game is in a state of chassis!
Us Down people chat like we play. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lfdown2 on May 15, 2015, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 14, 2015, 07:57:15 AM
Agree entirely wobbler with most of your points re the unpredicted outcomes of rule changes. The black card , is the most recent example of a knee jerk change that hasn't worked in most people's view. However healthy and reasoned debate on occasional select changes can allow our games to evolve, as long as we don't get endless tinkering.

That to me appears to be the problem though - we seem to want to endlessly t**ker with our games. I thought the following was a good piece;

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/can-everyone-please-just-stop-trying-to-fix-the-gaa/24570 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/can-everyone-please-just-stop-trying-to-fix-the-gaa/24570)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 15, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 15, 2015, 08:42:54 AM
That to me appears to be the problem though - we seem to want to endlessly t**ker with our games. I thought the following was a good piece;

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/can-everyone-please-just-stop-trying-to-fix-the-gaa/24570 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/can-everyone-please-just-stop-trying-to-fix-the-gaa/24570)

Good piece indeed, and interesting article in yesterday's Irish Times:

Pundits' Perspectives and Predictions (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/all-ireland-championships-2015-prediction-time-1.2208363)

Thankfully, Brolly's suggestion is increasingly being seen for the total load of bollix it is! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on May 24, 2015, 01:57:09 PM
He's after calling Cavan football "as ugly as Marty Morrissey" on the Sunday Game. Michael Lyster not a bit pleased.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 24, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
Ha ha, what an apology by the Derry gimp
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 24, 2015, 02:48:44 PM
Ah but sure Joe is only having a bit of craic  ::)

*awaits the stampede of Derry wans in to defend him*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 24, 2015, 02:54:11 PM
No we know a fool when we see one, we dont defend him unlike the way you defend tyrones evil arts and saint Mickey lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 24, 2015, 02:55:56 PM
Didn't take long  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 02:56:38 PM
Broly on the money on the Tyrone sledging, and he didn't spare Donegal's antics a few years ago either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 02:59:15 PM
The funny thing is that Joe is pontificating about players making insulting comments to other players on the pitch just after embarrassingly having to apologise for insulting someone live on air. He's some buck.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CD on May 24, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 02:59:15 PM
The funny thing is that Joe is pontificating about players making insulting comments to other players on the pitch just after embarrassingly having to apologise for insulting someone live on air. He's some buck.
It's not funny. Hypocritical and a tad pathetic but not funny. Sledging's ok when Joe does it because he's special.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: CD on May 24, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 02:59:15 PM
The funny thing is that Joe is pontificating about players making insulting comments to other players on the pitch just after embarrassingly having to apologise for insulting someone live on air. He's some buck.
It's not funny. Hypocritical and a tad pathetic but not funny. Sledging's ok when Joe does it because he's special.

I didn't mean funny in the "ha ha" sense of the word. I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

Have you actually read some of your own posts over the past few weeks?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

Have you actually read some of your own posts over the past few weeks?

If you're really comparing Broly giving Marty a little jibe and your lads elbowing and kneeing players, nevermind goading an opposition player about his dead father, well I can only tell you that you've lost all sense of perspective.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

Have you actually read some of your own posts over the past few weeks?

If you're really comparing Broly giving Marty a little jibe and your lads elbowing and kneeing players, nevermind goading an opposition player about his dead father, well I can only tell you that you've lost all sense of perspective.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

Have you actually read some of your own posts over the past few weeks?

If you're really comparing Broly giving Marty a little jibe and your lads elbowing and kneeing players, nevermind goading an opposition player about his dead father, well I can only tell you that you've lost all sense of perspective.

What are you talking about?

Haha.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 24, 2015, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

It would be if I had a scintilla of the bitterness you obviously have
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
How can he be sacked for making a factually accurate statement?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 24, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
That was the RTE panel's equivalent of sledging.
I have to say I laughed out loud at Joe's sledge but afterwards I felt a deep shame for doing so. Joe encouraged me to feel bad about myself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 24, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
How can he be sacked for making a factually accurate statement?

I've seen photos of you Tony and you are no oil painting, let me tell you  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on May 24, 2015, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
That was the RTE panel's equivalent of sledging.
I have to say I laughed out loud at Joe's sledge but afterwards I felt a deep shame for doing so. Joe encouraged me to feel bad about myself.

  And as Brolly was issuing his 'apology' he could barely contain laughter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 24, 2015, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
How can he be sacked for making a factually accurate statement?

I've seen photos of you Tony and you are no oil painting, let me tell you  ;)

The Tyrone lads at it again.
Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 24, 2015, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
How can he be sacked for making a factually accurate statement?
He only had to apologise because it's true. Had he made the comment about a good looking lad such as yourself it could have been laughed off as a bit of harmless sledging.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
Don't worry Red Hander,you're probably not my type anyway.At my age I'm unconcerned about my looks,I'm just happy to be breathing!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 25, 2015, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
How can he be sacked for making a factually accurate statement?

Yea, like he only answered accurately to his superior.

Loose lips make great quips.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 25, 2015, 12:38:20 AM
I enjoyed how Joe was literally rubbing his hands when he was telling his wonderfully crafted joke/sledge. He finds himself very funny indeed!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 25, 2015, 10:07:08 AM
If Joe was made of chocolate, he'd lick himself to death.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 25, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
Hmmm... I wonder who James Horan had in mind specifically in this little piece...

Horan: less of the negativity, please
25 May 2015

The former Mayo manager feels the reaction to alleged incidents of sledging during last Sunday week's Ulster senior and minor clashes between Donegal and Tyrone was way over the top, and is just another example of what he terms as "self-ruination".

"There always seems to be something eating away at us, be it burnout, managers getting paid, drug testing, blanket / ultra-defensive tactics, etc, etc. The column inches over the last week have been incredible," he writes in the Western People.

"Every sport in the world has its selling points, its supporters, its faults and its detractors. But football commentary has got so caught up in this race of thrashing everything about itself that the quality of the game has become irrelevant as the self-fulfilling prophecies become the important issue.

"Let's not go off the deep end yet again and think that sledging now is the new 'death of Gaelic football'. It's not – it's certainly not nice, but it's not that widespread in our game.

"The game is organically evolving. It's not perfect, but it's not bad; in fact it's good and getting better. Let it breathe and see how it plays out. I, for one, just cannot wait for this year's games. I want to see the game developing and unfolding, inspiring new methods and better techniques."

:)

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238009
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 25, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
He's basically saying Tyrone and Donegal are out-liers, you know, Fear..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 25, 2015, 05:08:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 25, 2015, 10:07:08 AM
If Joe was made of chocolate, he'd lick himself to death.

If he could, he'd sit on his own knee
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 25, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Himself and Spillane are the oldest sledgers in the gaa.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 25, 2015, 09:18:58 PM
I'd say Dick Clerkin and Dessie Mone are two of the leading reformed sledgers in the game today, how they have rehabilitated themselves is an example to all. They're sledgers on the dry.
But I fear, once they meet either Tyrone or Donegal on the field of play, the risk of  falling off the wagon reaches critical,  such is the intense level of the spittle fuelled, in your face provocation, that would seriously rattle the discipline of a saint.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on May 26, 2015, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 25, 2015, 05:08:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 25, 2015, 10:07:08 AM
If Joe was made of chocolate, he'd lick himself to death.

If he could, he'd sit on his own knee

:D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 26, 2015, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 24, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 24, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
Hopefully he has pissed on his chips big style as far as his RTE job is concerned

Some people just want want knock lads down. It must be a depressing existence.

Have you actually read some of your own posts over the past few weeks?

If you're really comparing Broly giving Marty a little jibe and your lads elbowing and kneeing players, nevermind goading an opposition player about his dead father, well I can only tell you that you've lost all sense of perspective.

What are you talking about?

Haha.

again - is this coming from the man who accused Tyrone of cheating at 1/2 time in the u21 All Ireland Final while their medical team were saving lives in the stand?
p***k
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
i have to say in the past and on this thread i have backed Joe but in this case i certainly cant,he always makes great points but if he continues to say things like he did on sunday theres no way anyone could take him as a serious analyst and he will lose all credibility if he hasn't already,really out of order this time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
i have to say in the past and on this thread i have backed Joe but in this case i certainly cant,he always makes great points but if he continues to say things like he did on sunday theres no way anyone could take him as a serious analyst and he will lose all credibility if he hasn't already,really out of order this time.

+1 Third apology in 3 years. 2013 Sean Cavanagh, 2014 Rachel Wyse and now Marty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 26, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
i have to say in the past and on this thread i have backed Joe but in this case i certainly cant,he always makes great points but if he continues to say things like he did on sunday theres no way anyone could take him as a serious analyst and he will lose all credibility if he hasn't already,really out of order this time.

+1 Third apology in 3 years. 2013 Sean Cavanagh, 2014 Rachel Wyse and now Marty.

And it won't be long to the 4th either. He knows he is pretty much untouchable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2015, 01:52:36 PM
Jeremy Clarkson thought he was untouchable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 26, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 26, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
i have to say in the past and on this thread i have backed Joe but in this case i certainly cant,he always makes great points but if he continues to say things like he did on sunday theres no way anyone could take him as a serious analyst and he will lose all credibility if he hasn't already,really out of order this time.

+1 Third apology in 3 years. 2013 Sean Cavanagh, 2014 Rachel Wyse and now Marty.

Apology is one thing...then there's the back tracking...Paul Grimley, Gooch Cooper, Mickey Harte, Kieran McGeeney, Philip Jordan, Jim MCguinness...

Brolly is a c**k

And it won't be long to the 4th either. He knows he is pretty much untouchable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 26, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Yeah but it took Jeremy Clarkson decking someone!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Club Rossa on May 26, 2015, 02:49:49 PM
Totally fed up with Brolly's personal insults and smartass comments,I wish RTE would give him the road.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
I'd imagine Declan Bogue may have a view on the human cost and the damage that Jim speaks of.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 26, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
I'd imagine Declan Bogue may have a view on the human cost and the damage that Jim speaks of.

Hardly the same thing - McGuinness used Declan Bogie / Cassidy issue to galvanise the team and the environment of Donegal and made it harder for anyone to risk going to the media - unfortunately at the expense of Cassidy. Id say the sales of that book shot up as a result of that incident so it was a win for Declan Bogie and I'd say he wasn't slagged off in the same manner at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: roney on May 26, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
I'd imagine Declan Bogue may have a view on the human cost and the damage that Jim speaks of.

He does it seems

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/joe-brollys-cruel-jibe-that-was-ugly-31252402.html

Much the same as Jim's as it turns out!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 26, 2015, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on May 26, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
i have to say in the past and on this thread i have backed Joe but in this case i certainly cant,he always makes great points but if he continues to say things like he did on sunday theres no way anyone could take him as a serious analyst and he will lose all credibility if he hasn't already,really out of order this time.

Completely out of order surely. No need for crass carryon like that on national TV. McGuinness was spot on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 26, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
I'd imagine Declan Bogue may have a view on the human cost and the damage that Jim speaks of.

Hardly the same thing - McGuinness used Declan Bogie / Cassidy issue to galvanise the team and the environment of Donegal and made it harder for anyone to risk going to the media - unfortunately at the expense of Cassidy. Id say the sales of that book shot up as a result of that incident so it was a win for Declan Bogie and I'd say he wasn't slagged off in the same manner at all.
They'd just won the all-ireland and he felt the need to exclude a journalist. In fact, had Bogue not left the press conference voluntarily we can only assume that Jim would've refused to continue.
Quote from: roney on May 26, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on May 26, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Spot on from Jim! http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238068
I'd imagine Declan Bogue may have a view on the human cost and the damage that Jim speaks of.

He does it seems

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/joe-brollys-cruel-jibe-that-was-ugly-31252402.html

Much the same as Jim's as it turns out!
In respect of Jim's hypocrisy I meant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 26, 2015, 03:57:06 PM
How is it hypocrisy?

I don't think McGuinness handled that post AI press conference very well, but he plainly felt that Bogue's book misrepresented his work as a manager.

This issue is about a unnecessary personal insult of a man who wasn't even there to get a cheap laugh.

Apples and oranges.

And besides,  McGuinness is absolutely correct about the Sunday Game analysis.  There's endless discussion of it on this very board,  and has been for years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 26, 2015, 04:01:15 PM
Bogue raises a very valid point about Brolly lamenting how personal sledging is getting and then turning around same day and doing THAT!

Now THAT is hypocrisy!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 26, 2015, 03:57:06 PM
How is it hypocrisy?

I don't think McGuinness handled that post AI press conference very well, but he plainly felt that Bogue's book misrepresented his work as a manager.

This issue is about a unnecessary personal insult of a man who wasn't even there to get a cheap laugh.

Apples and oranges.

And besides,  McGuinness is absolutely correct about the Sunday Game analysis.  There's endless discussion of it on this very board,  and has been for years.
Apples and oranges perhaps, but I think it's a bit much McGuinness writing an article telling people about the human cost of a public act by a person in the spotlight when he effectively excluded a journalist from a press conference because of personal rift.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 26, 2015, 04:30:01 PM
I agree with very little JMG says or does but fully agree with him here. The Declan Bogue incident displays nothing only vindictiveness on his part. But this isnt a JMG issue its a Joe Brolly issue

Brolly was totally out of order as he has been on so many occasions. Not sure he should get the boot for this in particular as he apologised, but he has a list of indiscretions as long as your arm.

However you have to do a lot to get the boot from RTE. Didnt Dunphy go on air tanked once?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 26, 2015, 04:43:19 PM
On a side not Esmerelda what's the deal with the name?

Weirdly enough I am reading a book with a character of that name at the mo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 26, 2015, 04:43:19 PM
On a side not Esmerelda what's the deal with the name?

Weirdly enough I am reading a book with a character of that name at the mo
Are you flirting with me? ;) :-*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 26, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 26, 2015, 03:57:06 PM
How is it hypocrisy?

I don't think McGuinness handled that post AI press conference very well, but he plainly felt that Bogue's book misrepresented his work as a manager.

This issue is about a unnecessary personal insult of a man who wasn't even there to get a cheap laugh.

Apples and oranges.

And besides,  McGuinness is absolutely correct about the Sunday Game analysis.  There's endless discussion of it on this very board,  and has been for years.
Apples and oranges perhaps, but I think it's a bit much McGuinness writing an article telling people about the human cost of a public act by a person in the spotlight when he effectively excluded a journalist from a press conference because of personal rift.

It depends on your perspective though, doesn't it. In one case there is a defense, in the other there is none.

In McGuinness' telling, Bogue had mispresented and lied in his book about stuff that had gone on in the Donegal set-up. For example, to use a very topical example, the sledging issue (now I don't know if this is one of the things he was upset about, but I'm guessing it was). Cassidy tells the story about McElhinney showing him a Brian Dawkins video. Cassidy, coming from the position that the Donegal lads are too nice and had in recent years put up with too much shite on the pitch, discusses it with other players, who go to McGuinness. The book never suggests that McGuinness did anything with the video or adopted sledging as part of his training and coaching, but the suspicion is now out there that he did (see, for example, Omagh Joe on the other thread). Now if McGuinness did not in fact endorse sledging or encourage his players to get involved in it (and was genuinely pissed off about other allegations), its pretty easy to see why he would feel justifiably upset and would, petty or not, want to make a point.

In Brolly's case, there can be no such perceived justification for his abuse of Morrisey.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 27, 2015, 07:48:33 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 26, 2015, 04:30:01 PM
I agree with very little JMG says or does but fully agree with him here. The Declan Bogue incident displays nothing only vindictiveness on his part. But this isnt a JMG issue its a Joe Brolly issue

Brolly was totally out of order as he has been on so many occasions. Not sure he should get the boot for this in particular as he apologised, but he has a list of indiscretions as long as your arm.

However you have to do a lot to get the boot from RTE. Didnt Dunphy go on air tanked once?

With Brolly, there is a massive ego at work and like all egos of that size, humility can be a difficult concept. I think it is generous in the extreme to say that Brolly apologised - Lyster basically put the words in his mouth. As I've said elsewhere though, Lyster slapping him down with the 'out of order' remark was worth tuning in for on its own. 

Having said that, I enjoy both Brolly and O'Rourke and will be watching them next time out. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 27, 2015, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 26, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 26, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 26, 2015, 03:57:06 PM
How is it hypocrisy?

I don't think McGuinness handled that post AI press conference very well, but he plainly felt that Bogue's book misrepresented his work as a manager.

This issue is about a unnecessary personal insult of a man who wasn't even there to get a cheap laugh.

Apples and oranges.

And besides,  McGuinness is absolutely correct about the Sunday Game analysis.  There's endless discussion of it on this very board,  and has been for years.
Apples and oranges perhaps, but I think it's a bit much McGuinness writing an article telling people about the human cost of a public act by a person in the spotlight when he effectively excluded a journalist from a press conference because of personal rift.

It depends on your perspective though, doesn't it. In one case there is a defense, in the other there is none.

In McGuinness' telling, Bogue had mispresented and lied in his book about stuff that had gone on in the Donegal set-up. For example, to use a very topical example, the sledging issue (now I don't know if this is one of the things he was upset about, but I'm guessing it was). Cassidy tells the story about McElhinney showing him a Brian Dawkins video. Cassidy, coming from the position that the Donegal lads are too nice and had in recent years put up with too much shite on the pitch, discusses it with other players, who go to McGuinness. The book never suggests that McGuinness did anything with the video or adopted sledging as part of his training and coaching, but the suspicion is now out there that he did (see, for example, Omagh Joe on the other thread). Now if McGuinness did not in fact endorse sledging or encourage his players to get involved in it (and was genuinely pissed off about other allegations), its pretty easy to see why he would feel justifiably upset and would, petty or not, want to make a point.

In Brolly's case, there can be no such perceived justification for his abuse of Morrisey.
I'm not comparing one man's actions with another's as such. I'm just saying that, in my opinion, McGuinness abused his power that day by basically saying there'd be no press conference unless he got his way. I'm therefore unlikely to take his criticism of Brolly's behaviour too seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 27, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
I don't see how the two issues are related to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.

Brolly is no different. When he comes off with another outrageous statement - lets face it most of the country tune in to hear them - then it's absolutely self indulgent/self promotion. He loves being talked about. His Marty Morrisey line was rehearsed to death I'd say. Tune in for the next episode... and we know we all will! (RTE know that too)

The moral of the story is that these guys thrive on publicity and making people think a certain way. McGuinness is trying to etch out a career in professional sport and  a key to that is to appear to be in demand and Brolly is trying to remain relevant to a TV audience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on May 27, 2015, 11:12:10 AM
I don't know how this has turned into ones scrutinsing McGuinness career choice or his character. There is no similarity between his actions with Bogue and Brolly's personal abuse of MM. RTE will never sack Joe, as someone alluded to Dunphy was blocked on air ffs and he is still there. RTE thrive on controversy, they don't have a real competitor to talk about and the viewers lap it up tuning in next to see what line Brolly has rehearsed during the week.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 27, 2015, 11:13:04 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
I don't see how the two issues are related to be honest.
It seems I've inadvertently drawn a tangent. They're not related. I just put little value in McGuinness's criticism of Brolly.

I'm amazed that Joe hasn't said something else controversial in the past 24 hours to move this sub-issue along.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on May 27, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
I have to say I've listened to all the debate around Joe's lampooning of Marty. Was it any more spiteful or hurtful than the Giftgrub womanising persona? Was Marty really that upset? How many people actually laughed at the analogy before Lyster pulled Joe up about it? Why is it ok to lampoon some people but not others? Marty has a fine career in the public eye and imo is a great commentator certainly a lot better than Ger Canning. And sure as someone said you're no oil painting yourself Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2015, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 27, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
I have to say I've listened to all the debate around Joe's lampooning of Marty. Was it any more spiteful or hurtful than the Giftgrub womanising persona? Was Marty really that upset? How many people actually laughed at the analogy before Lyster pulled Joe up about it? Why is it ok to lampoon some people but not others? Marty has a fine career in the public eye and imo is a great commentator certainly a lot better than Ger Canning. And sure as someone said you're no oil painting yourself Joe!

GiftGrub is a spoof.

Joe Brolly is........never mind.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on May 27, 2015, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 27, 2015, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 27, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
I have to say I've listened to all the debate around Joe's lampooning of Marty. Was it any more spiteful or hurtful than the Giftgrub womanising persona? Was Marty really that upset? How many people actually laughed at the analogy before Lyster pulled Joe up about it? Why is it ok to lampoon some people but not others? Marty has a fine career in the public eye and imo is a great commentator certainly a lot better than Ger Canning. And sure as someone said you're no oil painting yourself Joe!

GiftGrub is a spoof.

Joe Brolly is........never mind.
A spoofer?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on May 27, 2015, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 12:39:26 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 27, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
I have to say I've listened to all the debate around Joe's lampooning of Marty. Was it any more spiteful or hurtful than the Giftgrub womanising persona? Was Marty really that upset? How many people actually laughed at the analogy before Lyster pulled Joe up about it? Why is it ok to lampoon some people but not others? Marty has a fine career in the public eye and imo is a great commentator certainly a lot better than Ger Canning. And sure as someone said you're no oil painting yourself Joe!

But Joe is supposed to be analysing a football match?

Also Marty and Joe are colleagues which basically makes its a very strange case of workplace bullying over the public airwaves.

It would be interesting to heard what a legal-law-talking person with a knowledge of employment law would make of the whole thing.

Speaking of the whole legal side of things, I really wonder how anyone who has seen Brolly on television would engage his professional legal services. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.



Hard to know where to start with this.

When you say that McGuinness has employed a PR agency (first I've heard of it) to spin aout coaching badges, speaking to rugby teams & coaching at Celtic, which incidentally is not his role, are you saying that these things are not true?

As for your relation & his "sabattical", McGuinness is not a coach, hasn't got his badges. He works one on one with players focussing on the mental side. So I'd say it's your relation who doesn't understand what's happening at Celtic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 27, 2015, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.



Hard to know where to start with this.

When you say that McGuinness has employed a PR agency (first I've heard of it) to spin aout coaching badges, speaking to rugby teams & coaching at Celtic, which incidentally is not his role, are you saying that these things are not true?

As for your relation & his "sabattical", McGuinness is not a coach, hasn't got his badges. He works one on one with players focussing on the mental side. So I'd say it's your relation who doesn't understand what's happening at Celtic.

CK has a hard on for Jim for the past 5 years.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 27, 2015, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.



Hard to know where to start with this.

When you say that McGuinness has employed a PR agency (first I've heard of it) to spin aout coaching badges, speaking to rugby teams & coaching at Celtic, which incidentally is not his role, are you saying that these things are not true?

As for your relation & his "sabattical", McGuinness is not a coach, hasn't got his badges. He works one on one with players focussing on the mental side. So I'd say it's your relation who doesn't understand what's happening at Celtic.

CK has a hard on for Jim for the past 5 years.

Jim is a happily married man & would have no time for such carry on.

Honest to God this referendum result has some fellas heads turned  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Man Marker on May 27, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
By God Lyster wasn't bit happy about it, his face and finger wagging at Joe is priceless.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 27, 2015, 04:15:31 PM
On the plus side at least Joe got his annual apology out of the way early this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.



Hard to know where to start with this.

When you say that McGuinness has employed a PR agency (first I've heard of it) to spin aout coaching badges, speaking to rugby teams & coaching at Celtic, which incidentally is not his role, are you saying that these things are not true?

As for your relation & his "sabattical", McGuinness is not a coach, hasn't got his badges. He works one on one with players focussing on the mental side. So I'd say it's your relation who doesn't understand what's happening at Celtic.

You've chosen to completely miss the point.
Of course hes there as a psychologist but its the elevated position that is being bandied around in the media that his PR company are pushing. It is they who got him the sky gig, newspapers and TV appearances. Ive not once heard him play down the coaching ambition. Fair play to him, I'm just drawing parallels to Brolly and his desire to remain relevant via the media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 27, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Lads, Jimmy McGuinness and Joe Brolly have plenty in common, it's called EGO!
McGuinness has employed a PR agency in Glasgow and Dublin to spin all this stuff (that the press lap up) like him doing his coaching badges and taking a coaching role at Celtic and speaking to Rugby teams. A relation of mine has just finished a sabbatical at Celtic and he said McGuinness was rarely near the senior set up and the coaches didn't even know who he was. When he's interviewed he spins a totally different line. It's called self promotion.



Hard to know where to start with this.

When you say that McGuinness has employed a PR agency (first I've heard of it) to spin aout coaching badges, speaking to rugby teams & coaching at Celtic, which incidentally is not his role, are you saying that these things are not true?

As for your relation & his "sabattical", McGuinness is not a coach, hasn't got his badges. He works one on one with players focussing on the mental side. So I'd say it's your relation who doesn't understand what's happening at Celtic.

You've chosen to completely miss the point.
Of course hes there as a psychologist but its the elevated position that is being bandied around in the media that his PR company are pushing. It is they who got him the sky gig, newspapers and TV appearances. Ive not once heard him play down the coaching ambition. Fair play to him, I'm just drawing parallels to Brolly and his desire to remain relevant via the media.

What is this "elevated" position? He is doing a job of work at Celtic, in his area of expertise,  to pay his bills. He isn't the manager or a coach. There is nothing elevated about what he does.

I don't watch Sky so I can't comment there, he has one weekly newspaper column just like what seems like every second ex player at the moment & I would far rather read his take on things than I would Spillane or Cake, but everyone to his own. As for TV appearances, I must have missed those.

I'd say whoever this PR company is, they are doing a poor job.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 27, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
Joe wins yet again. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 27, 2015, 05:49:03 PM
I guarantee he won't be able to resist the urge to have a smirk about this when he's on again next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 27, 2015, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??
Its irrelevant, Joe I believe apologised in the same way to Sean Cavanagh.  Its all about the showbiz and thats what the Irish people want.  Now who or what county, topic, rule will be sensationalised and the next target? 
Joe is an extremely likeable character as well and a wise man once described him as ...very clever in some ways....
Not to be taken seriously is RTEs GAA coverage as a whole.
When Joe finally takes it too far and it is inevitable.  RTE will hang him out to dry also.  The real scandal here is RTEs care about the GAA.   



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Ha thats right he did, they were like those ones on a big artic that pick up all the blind spots.

But then you'd need them in Derry football with the inbred deformed ogres running around. Poor Joe was at a disadvantage there with his soft Tyrone breeding.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 27, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Ha thats right he did, they were like those ones on a big artic that pick up all the blind spots.

But then you'd need them in Derry football with the inbred deformed ogres running around. Poor Joe was at a disadvantage there with his soft Tyrone breeding.

You canny help yourselves
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Ha thats right he did, they were like those ones on a big artic that pick up all the blind spots.

But then you'd need them in Derry football with the inbred deformed ogres running around. Poor Joe was at a disadvantage there with his soft Tyrone breeding.

You canny help yourselves

Thats right aye, so it is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 27, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
And these c***ts wonder why everybody in ireland hates them!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
Considering the fact you guys can write I assume that are among the most learned in your county so since that took half a lifetime to learn I'll forgive yis for not not having rational thought. That will likely would take yous longer than a lifetime to learn.

However there is a solution..... Stop procreating with your relatives and in a few generations things will start to improve...you can grasp the concept of what the future is right?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2015, 11:06:50 PM
Big Anthony's take on Brolly, and I would agree with his description in the title. Well, the last two letters would be the same -- 'er', though I would have only four letters before them, and they wouldn't be 'entertain'!  :P


Tohill: Joe is an entertainer
27 May 2015


Joe Brolly's ego is bigger now than it was during his playing days according to his former team-mate Anthony Tohill.

Asked by gaa.ie "what was he like as a team-mate?", four-time All-Star Tohill answered: "Ach, he was hard work!

"I'm sure people will appreciate what I mean with that. There were times when Joe didn't necessarily do the team thing, when he didn't necessarily want to put in the effort that we all demanded of each other.

"He didn't necessarily like towing the line. So if you were asked to go to the cone, Joe might have stopped short of it. If you were asked to go around it, Joe might have cut the corner.

"But he was a very likeable presence. He was an entertainer - as we all know, Joe is an entertainer.

"In those days ... he has become maybe a bigger ego than he was in those days, he'll forgive me for saying that because there were many big characters in that dressing room and Joe was one of a number."

The All-Ireland winning midfielder, speaking ahead of his Legends tour at Croke Park this Saturday, concluded: "Brolly? I could tell you plenty of stories about Joe, but I better not say anymore!"


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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

f**k you lads are some craic!! Defend Ricey the sc**bag who mouthed every match and stuck his knees into people as they lay on the ground, Cavanagh the Olympic diver and cynical cheat, the U21 with the wayward knees and the Minor who slagged a young boys Father who died of cancer...

But of course Joe Brolly who donated a kidney to a practical stranger just because he could should be forgot about as a man... You stay classy Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 11:33:09 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

f**k you lads are some craic!! Defend Ricey the sc**bag who mouthed every match and stuck his knees into people as they lay on the ground, Cavanagh the Olympic diver and cynical cheat, the U21 with the wayward knees and the Minor who slagged a young boys Father who died of cancer...

But of course Joe Brolly who donated a kidney to a practical stranger just because he could should be forgot about as a man... You stay classy Tyrone!!

Oh dear looks like them Derry wans are hell bend on proving my previous post correct

Since logical thought is obviously beyond you-ans I will try and make this as understandable as possible

This is not a discussion about Sean Cavanagh, Ricey or Tyrone

Joe's kidney donation is not in question here.

His kidney donation does not give him immunity from hypocrisy or a licence to insult whoever he likes

Joe is being measured using his own standards

Comprendes? (Joke! obviously u don't know what that means)
Do you understand?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 11:33:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

f**k you lads are some craic!! Defend Ricey the sc**bag who mouthed every match and stuck his knees into people as they lay on the ground, Cavanagh the Olympic diver and cynical cheat, the U21 with the wayward knees and the Minor who slagged a young boys Father who died of cancer...

But of course Joe Brolly who donated a kidney to a practical stranger just because he could should be forgot about as a man... You stay classy Tyrone!!

Says the man who reckons Mickey Harte "sickens his hole" after all he's been through. As you suggested about Mickey, maybe there's two different sides to Brolly. I admire the one who gives away a kidney but I don't admire the man who uses a serious football analysis show to buff his own ego usually at the expense and ridicule of others. Maybe, you're right though, the kidney donation gives Joe cart blanche to say what he wants about whoever he wants, but excuse me if it sickens my hole to listen to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Let me explain the difference to you lads... Joe Brolly sickens my hole a lot of the time but calling his character into question "as a man" is just plain wrong!! (Just as it was wrong for Joe to do the same against Cavanagh - he apologised).

I've said Mickey Harte is a hypocrite who certainly has 2 sides to him but I don't question his ability as a manager or what he's been through!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Let me explain the difference to you lads... Joe Brolly sickens my hole a lot of the time but calling his character into question "as a man" is just plain wrong!! (Just as it was wrong for Joe to do the same against Cavanagh - he apologised).

I've said Mickey Harte is a hypocrite who certainly has 2 sides to him but I don't question his ability as a manager or what he's been through!

The reason I used that comment about questioning him as a man was a tongue in cheek reference to the comment he made about Cavanagh, but sure it just highlights how silly his comment was in the first place. Like I said in a previous post, Joe is good at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. A public slur is not deleted by a private apology.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Let me explain the difference to you lads... Joe Brolly sickens my hole a lot of the time but calling his character into question "as a man" is just plain wrong!! (Just as it was wrong for Joe to do the same against Cavanagh - he apologised).

There's a difference all right, what with Brolly spitting it out in an apoplectic manner in a television studio about Cavanagh, and some lad writing the very same about him on a discussion board. As for his 'apology', they cease to carry any weight any more, since it's only a question of a little time until he insults someone else from a height; his apologies are long since a busted currency.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 28, 2015, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Let me explain the difference to you lads... Joe Brolly sickens my hole a lot of the time but calling his character into question "as a man" is just plain wrong!! (Just as it was wrong for Joe to do the same against Cavanagh - he apologised).

There's a difference all right, what with Brolly spitting it out in an apoplectic manner in a television studio about Cavanagh, and some lad writing the very same about him on a discussion board. As for his 'apology', they cease to carry any weight any more, since it's only a question of a little time until he insults someone else from a height; his apologies are long since a busted currency.

I fail to see how that's the case since both Cavanagh and Marty have both accepted his apologies!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 28, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 28, 2015, 12:13:14 AM
I fail to see how that's the case since both Cavanagh and Marty have both accepted his apologies!!

Let's just say that discretion trumps churlishness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 12:22:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 27, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Let me explain the difference to you lads... Joe Brolly sickens my hole a lot of the time but calling his character into question "as a man" is just plain wrong!! (Just as it was wrong for Joe to do the same against Cavanagh - he apologised).

I've said Mickey Harte is a hypocrite who certainly has 2 sides to him but I don't question his ability as a manager or what he's been through!

Look I know its hard to grasp but using the "man" judgement is quite obvious that it is turning Joe's own words and standards back on himself. What constitutes "man enough" anyway? Its a very abstract thing that is hard to define and differs from person to person. Turning the phrase back on Joe is only using his own standards of what a man should be to judge himself, so the judgement is really Joe's... unless he is a hypocrite.

On the way of these apologies where are they? We all seen and heard the insults? So where are the apologies? The only person's word we would appear to have is Joe's ffs so there is  good chance that they only happened in his own head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 28, 2015, 12:27:33 AM
He didn't say 'man', he said MON!

He was questioning Sean Kavanagh's Martin O'Neill-ness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 08:57:47 AM
If you were working on a big presentation with a colleague - presenting in front of 10 of the most important people in your business....and lets say you turned around to the 10 people and described your colleague in the same way as Brolly did...? would an apology be enough?
Brolly has continually offended people under the banner of humour since he was on TV and in fact in public....
In no particular order, On tv he has offended Fergal logan (almost 10 years ago now), at a Tyrone GAA function in 200/2/3 he was hugely disrespectful to the Harte family, again under the banner of comedy.
Since then he has slagged of Gooch, Paul Grimley, his brothers, Mickey Harte, Sean Cavanagh, Philip Jordan - he seems to enjoy getting stuck into the Tyrone ones...you know, the ones with 3 times as many all-irelands as himself...which makes me think that he is jealous and feels he is part of a derry team which seriously underachieved

I think he is a jealous and bitter wee man and as a result of the kidney donation (which as an aside was a bit mental in itself, but beyond any superlative of generosity) he is on serious medication....and simply needs help


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on May 28, 2015, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.
No he was an annoying wee bollocks who blew kisses at the opposition fans...not much has changed eh?
I still think what he said was funny and the hoo ha created by the on screen admonishment and the apology has created more column inches than if it had a been left as a joke. I still don't really see the difference between Joe and making fun of Prince Charles' ears. Then we have the oul elephant standing unmilked in the room...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 28, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
He might have looked like Mr Bean when he was taking the hand out of Tyrone but he was as tough as hell.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 28, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
I seem to remember Brolly had a bit of a reputation during his playing career for being a bit windy and playing with the side mirrors on, but to be fair I don't think this was justified.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

Who said he was a coward?

As stated earlier wing mirrors are a total necessity in Derry club football with all the inbred ogres smashing around.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

Who said he was a coward?

As stated earlier wing mirrors are a total necessity in Derry club football with all the inbred ogres smashing around.

a child would have more wit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:00:28 PM
 ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

Who said he was a coward?

As stated earlier wing mirrors are a total necessity in Derry club football with all the inbred ogres smashing around.

a child would have more wit

In which case its prob beyond you. I'm sorry
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 29, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 29, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 29, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on May 31, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
See Brolly giving it loads about free speech in the Indo. Maybe if he used his right to free speech for something pertinent instead of cheaply insulting people he might have more of a case.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2015, 01:03:05 PM
Just reading back over the last few pages and it's funny how we ALL defend our own fellow county men no matter what. It's hard to step back and be objective in our analysis.
I've stated recently that Mickey Harte is indeed quite two faced and allows his players and backroom staff to not stop sledging. Horse leads by example in my opinion and he shows that every time he comes running onto the pitch.

Brolly is a complex character and like us all has both good and bad attributes. The other night I watched about 7 or 8 YouTube videos of him. He certainly craves attention and publicity and getting onto RTE TSG was his big break. He suddenly had the whole country/GAA world as his audience.
He often makes very controversial but true statements that others are thinking but don't have his balls to say.
Of course like any ego feeding junkie once he says or does something which gets a big reaction or praise he loves it but then has to go for a bigger fix.
Watching the YouTube videos one after another you can see this growing.
Like a lot of comedians he doesn't care who offends. I've heard him tell disgraceful stories about his own sister so you can imagine if he was a modern day footballer who well he could deal with sledging.
I told him to his face last year how I admired his contribution to the whole donor system but I thought he goes way too far on personal abuse of people on very public forums.
As many have already said here, he publicly does the major damage to people's reputation and then rings them privately to apologise leaving the destruction in his wake.
I thought he was good for Ulster when he first came on RTE but now I think he makes us look like very outspoken arrogant mouths.
Apparently he's off screen now for a few weeks and it will be interesting to see has his wings been trimmed when he returns.
Tohill sums him up well and I can remember other Derry plays cringing when he opens his mouth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 31, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 29, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 29, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k

Good work Jo...except the gist of my post was that he is treacherous, disingenuous and a liar...the p***k bit was there to help you relate to the smaller words
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 31, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 31, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 29, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 29, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k

Good work Jo...except the gist of my post was that he is treacherous, disingenuous and a liar...the p***k bit was there to help you relate to the smaller words

What lies has he told?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on May 31, 2015, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
See Brolly giving it loads about free speech in the Indo. Maybe if he used his right to free speech for something pertinent instead of cheaply insulting people he might have more of a case.

A more self serving, petulant article I have never read.

I have lost all respect for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on May 31, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 31, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 31, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 29, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 29, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 28, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 28, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 28, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: red hander on May 27, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2015, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k

Good work Jo...except the gist of my post was that he is treacherous, disingenuous and a liar...the p***k bit was there to help you relate to the smaller words

What lies has he told?

He is a media clown - saying one thing to one man and another to the next - and that is from personal experience of him in belfast. he has a way with words for sure, but has an unfortunately high self opinion, even when you get up close to him, which I have been on many occasions. His benevolence within the GAA is legendary, and he gives to his old club, and to st brigids flat out - mostly under the radar, but he has made a living this last few years talking down people on TV when they cannot retaliate - he slags off to the hundreds of thousands and apologises behind closed doors....there are many examples of him telling lies...i couldn't care less about the Tyrone derry thing, nor his slagging of us for that matter, but i can't stand his "hail fellow, well met" shite in the media...he just makes stuff up without validation and presents it all as fact, and 70% of the GAA wold run around believing it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 01, 2015, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 31, 2015, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
See Brolly giving it loads about free speech in the Indo. Maybe if he used his right to free speech for something pertinent instead of cheaply insulting people he might have more of a case.

A more self serving, petulant article I have never read.

I have lost all respect for him.
He was spot on about the control freakery, but the appropriate reply to that isn't anarchy.

By Derry standards ....  Joe is low ... , but still head and shoulders over anything you'd get in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trentoneill15 on June 01, 2015, 12:43:24 AM
Tyrone men are just a bit jealous of Brolly and how he has cemented himself within the GAA media unlike Mulligan and McMenamin, I like to read some Seamus Heaney poetry with a bit of Phil Coulter or Dana on the CD player in the background whilst watching Derrys finest moments of the 1990's on video tape.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on June 01, 2015, 05:37:46 AM
Yes the derry golden year video. Does anyone know anyone who will convert vhs to dvd?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Anyone expecting Jim to reply? Joe has some ego on him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 01, 2015, 09:48:01 AM
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From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k

Good work Jo...except the gist of my post was that he is treacherous, disingenuous and a liar...the p***k bit was there to help you relate to the smaller words

What lies has he told?

He is a media clown - saying one thing to one man and another to the next - and that is from personal experience of him in belfast. he has a way with words for sure, but has an unfortunately high self opinion, even when you get up close to him, which I have been on many occasions. His benevolence within the GAA is legendary, and he gives to his old club, and to st brigids flat out - mostly under the radar, but he has made a living this last few years talking down people on TV when they cannot retaliate - he slags off to the hundreds of thousands and apologises behind closed doors....there are many examples of him telling lies...i couldn't care less about the Tyrone derry thing, nor his slagging of us for that matter, but i can't stand his "hail fellow, well met" shite in the media...he just makes stuff up without validation and presents it all as fact, and 70% of the GAA wold run around believing it.

You're Brolly-lite

Quote from: rrhf on June 01, 2015, 05:37:46 AM
Yes the derry golden year video. Does anyone know anyone who will convert vhs to dvd?

Youse have spoiled us with talent over the years and for that the entire country is grateful,  Hugo, Philomena, Janet Devlin, Cush, Micky & The Sledgers and Baldy Pete & His Diving Ensemble  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 01, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
I think that article just shows how blind he is to what people think of him or what he does or says.
Immediately after he made the Sean Cav rant his three peers all said the same thing that they would have done the same or expect their players to do the same.
Joe however blocks out other people's point of view if it doesn't further his cause. Not only did he ignore his peers opinion, in this article he says RTE backed up his judgement.
The night I lost my temper with Tyrone and Seán Cavanagh is something I could never see happening on Sky. They'd have said, 'Well, Big Seán did what he had to do' or 'he showed all his experience out there, what a player he is'. When Sky tell us to 'Believe in Better', what exactly do they really mean?

He is probably right though about Jim going way OTT with the control stuff but it makes you wonder what the hell Donegal were up to that they're so secretive.
I'm afraid I'm checked out from listening to Joe's self fulfilling bullshit.
Its a pity that he's gone down this road as he can be very funny but as he shows in this article he's totally out if control.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html (http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on June 01, 2015, 11:08:54 AM
What i find amusing is the posters who dislike brolly and call him for everything yet they still read and listen to him!!! strange
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on June 01, 2015, 12:17:35 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2015, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 31, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 31, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
From the head of RTE Sport

QuoteI have spoken with Joe Brolly about the comments he made in relation to RTE Sport's GAA Correspondent and commentator Marty Morrissey on last weekend's Sunday Game Live broadcast. Joe is acutely aware that his ill-conceived attempt at humour was both inappropriate and extremely hurtful and had no place in any broadcast. Further, Joe is fully cognisant of the fact that similar comments in any future broadcast cannot and will not be tolerated.

Joe Brolly has spoken at length with and offered a heartfelt apology to Marty Morrissey which was graciously accepted.

All parties now consider this matter closed.

So RTE release a statement to cover their asses, meanwhile Joe laughs behind his hand. Bet Brolly wont be release a statement

joe is great at ridiculing in public and apologising in private. You may forget about him as a man.

His ego knows no bounds. The public apology was not even an apology it was an attempt to explain what the context of his statement was, he didn't express any regret or retract the statement.

Why apologise in private after publically ridiculing someone. What sort of man does that??

No man at all. I always thought it the ultimate irony his questioning of Big Sean's 'manfulness', this from a boy who wore the biggest pair of invisible wing mirrors ever when he was on a football pitch

Joe Brolly was and is many things, but the one thing he wasn't was a coward on the field. You mustn't have been watching too closely during the 90's when there was a lot more off the ball action taking place than there is in the current game.

I was watching closely enough, and there's nothing wrong with my or many other Tyrone people's memories

;D

110% not a coward on the pitch, far from it. Keep it up Tyrone people, a few of ye's talking poop in here wont rewrite history

As a tyrone fan, i wouldn't say that he was a coward on the pitch - better player than i'll ever be...and a medal to prove it too.

but he is a disingenuous treacherous lying hateful p***k - of that there is no doubt

??

I've consolidated the general jist of Dermy's posts so he can just copy and paste in as replies (save him a bit of time) :

I think its / you're / he / she is (delete were appropriate) a p***k c**k f**k c**k f**k p***k c**k f**k

Good work Jo...except the gist of my post was that he is treacherous, disingenuous and a liar...the p***k bit was there to help you relate to the smaller words

What lies has he told?

He is a media clown - saying one thing to one man and another to the next - and that is from personal experience of him in belfast. he has a way with words for sure, but has an unfortunately high self opinion, even when you get up close to him, which I have been on many occasions. His benevolence within the GAA is legendary, and he gives to his old club, and to st brigids flat out - mostly under the radar, but he has made a living this last few years talking down people on TV when they cannot retaliate - he slags off to the hundreds of thousands and apologises behind closed doors....there are many examples of him telling lies...i couldn't care less about the Tyrone derry thing, nor his slagging of us for that matter, but i can't stand his "hail fellow, well met" shite in the media...he just makes stuff up without validation and presents it all as fact, and 70% of the GAA wold run around believing it.

You're Brolly-lite

Quote from: rrhf on June 01, 2015, 05:37:46 AM
Yes the derry golden year video. Does anyone know anyone who will convert vhs to dvd?

Youse have spoiled us with talent over the years and for that the entire country is grateful,  Hugo, Philomena, Janet Devlin, Cush, Micky & The Sledgers and Baldy Pete & His Diving Ensemble  8)

you see what i did there?/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on June 01, 2015, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Anyone expecting Jim to reply? Joe has some ego on him.

I can guarantee you here & now there will be no reply from Jim.

Whatever about his ego, he has more sense, not to mention class, than to get drawn into a slagging match with Motormouth the schoolyard bully.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on June 01, 2015, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on June 01, 2015, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Anyone expecting Jim to reply? Joe has some ego on him.

I can guarantee you here & now there will be no reply from Jim.

Whatever about his ego, he has more sense, not to mention class, than to get drawn into a slagging match with Motormouth the schoolyard bully.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2015, 10:36:39 AM
Tommy O'Hare stirring the shit over on Twitter!  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on June 02, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
So is Brolly saying that The Sunday Game pundits cannot have ANY restraints or they will turn into Sky? They have to be free to say whatever they want, without any filter whatsoever?

I agree with him that they need to have license to be fearless in their commentary, but that doesn't mean they have to actively court controversy for its own sake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on June 02, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 01, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html (http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html)

Much and all as he apologised for his comments about Marty Morrisey at the start of his piece; I find it quite pathetic that he goes on to write a full column on the noble concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of expression and openness and honesty etc etc etc; all of which strikes me as quite lofty arguments to put forward in apparent defence of his right to call one of his broadcasting colleagues 'ugly', and which, to me, makes his claims to contriteness at the start of the article seem very odd, dishonest and self-serving.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2015, 04:44:03 PM
Exactly Snapchat.
He can't see any plank in his own eye and has spent his whole life used to getting his own way.
In some ways he has used this to good effect like after the kidney failed he went after more people to donate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 02, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
Brollys articles this week have been a sanctimonious pile of shite. His excuse, in the GL article, for calling Marty 'ugly' was that him and Thomas O'Se where having such fun and banter that he forgot he was going live and continued his jovial nature on air. This was backed up by him writing about a text he received from Thomas the next day in which o'Se not only confirmed how much fun Joe himself is to hang around with but essentially thanked him for making his job with RTE such fun too. Nauseating stuff!

With regards to his Independent article, does he really think free speech extends to commenting personally about people on live TV like his comments about Marty, Colm O'Rourke and Sean Cavanagh?  He's there to analyse football not make personal comments about individuals. If he did his job correctly there should be no need to even think about the right to free speech ffs. His head is so far up his own ass at this stage, banging on about free speech, that he has lost all semblance of reality. I think it's time to get rid of this bluffer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on June 02, 2015, 06:55:54 PM
Free speech?  He's not living in North Korea ffs. He's turning this into something it's not. He ridiculed someone on air (again), got called out over it, which was quite correct. You just can't say stuff like that about people on camera, anyone with a bit of wit would realise that and move on. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on June 02, 2015, 07:10:56 PM
I actually think brolly has a point here.  What sky have done to garlic and free speech is an absolute disgrace.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mylestheslasher on June 02, 2015, 11:24:37 PM
Saddest attempt at spin I've read in a long time. Time for Brolly to piss off back where he came from and lets get someone on the Sunday game with something interesting to say. I'm done listening to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Here's an insight into how Joe's mind works.. I once worked on a TV programme where Joe was the special guest on a recorded midweek BBC Show. In rehearsals, I introduced Joe and he thought it would be funny to say that he was happy to be in a studio of the 'national broadcaster'. We rehearsed this a few times and then went 'Live'. The titles rolled and I introduced Joe who surprised us all by changing tack completely and saying 'there's a lot of purple lights in here, it's like a gay hairdressers'. Did he do it mischievously or does he just say whatever comes into his mind? I think it's more the latter. Joe has a very creative mind and goes into a zone where he finds funny and unique ways to describe things. He also feels justified in saying whatever he wants, whether people like it or not. This cocktail means that he has entertained and offended, in pretty much equal measure. I've said it before - we are lucky to have him, but we also know what we are going to get with him. More importantly, RTE know what they are going to get and they only reprimanded him when he insulted one of their own. In conclusion, Joe is Joe. It's only TV, not worth getting too upset about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on June 03, 2015, 01:17:55 AM
not sure how you come to the conclusion that we are lucky to have him.Any body that is serious about  football would not be looking to Brolly for any insightful analysis .His article in the Sindo is the biggest load of rubbish that I have read in a long time and I will not be making the mistake of reading hiis articles again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 01:52:18 AM
Despite everything and when our sensitivities are put to one side, you have to say that he gives us something that no-one else can. When on form, he is entertaining, insightful, interesting, articulate, captivating and funny. He's different gravy, on a completely different level intellectually to Spillane or O'Rourke.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 08:20:33 AM
Quote from: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 01:52:18 AM
Despite everything and when our sensitivities are put to one side, you have to say that he gives us something that no-one else can. When on form, he is entertaining, insightful, interesting, articulate, captivating and funny. He's different gravy, on a completely different level intellectually to Spillane or O'Rourke.

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Man on June 03, 2015, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 01:52:18 AM
Despite everything and when our sensitivities are put to one side, you have to say that he gives us something that no-one else can. When on form, he is entertaining, insightful, interesting, articulate, captivating and funny. He's different gravy, on a completely different level intellectually to Spillane or O'Rourke.

+1, embrace the madness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on June 03, 2015, 09:17:40 AM
Am I alone in thinking that in spite of it being insulting, describing Cavan football as being as ugly as Marty Morrissey was actually funny? Being no oil painting myself, I would go on to say it is probably as ugly as appleisapples!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on June 03, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
Counter-offensive from the pro-Brollys underway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on June 03, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
No I'm not proJoe, he can be an annoying little shit at times. But sometimes even when someone is insulting your own, as Spillane did with Francie Bellew it can be funny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2015, 09:27:24 AM
Time for a few sensitive souls to get over it.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BluestackBoy on June 03, 2015, 09:38:44 AM
As far as his tv performances go, I agree he can be good, however his sneering & laughing at Spillane is tiresome in the extreme.

It was his article in the Independent on Sunday that really took the biscuit.

A more self pitying, self regarding pile of manure I have never read & I have read some crap in my time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DermyTDredi on June 03, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 01:52:18 AM
Despite everything and when our sensitivities are put to one side, you have to say that he gives us something that no-one else can. When on form, he is entertaining, insightful, interesting, articulate, captivating and funny. He's different gravy, on a completely different level intellectually to Spillane or O'Rourke.

Have you been smoking crack?
If the definition of entertaining is ridiculing people on a weekly basis without factual support nor substance, then he is the new Bob monkhouse.
being articulate should be a ticket to entry for a commentator
Insightful - occasionally, but more often than not he spends his time ridiculing people...quoting his daughter from an u14 team is hardly bleeding edge
Captivating...how?
funny...occasionally, no question...and when he is on a good day, he certainly puts the other 2 in the shade..but he's not qualified on a part-time basis.
he his different gravy for sure...I like my gravy thick
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on June 03, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on June 03, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Not a case of pro or anti Brolly from me anyway on this point. I just think that if you are going to call a work colleague "ugly" on national television, and you then claim to accept you shouldn't have done so, then it's a tad pathetic to immediately follow up your apology with a column in a national newspaper which is full of pathetically lofty arguments surrounding the right to free speech, and freedom of expression, which seem totally out of place given the childish nature of the insult/joke he's trying to defend.

Like I say, it's not a case of pro-or anti- Brolly from me. He's capable of more insightful analysis of a game than the other regular pundits put together, but sadly, it's been probably 5-10 years since he has bothered doing so. He nowadays reminds me of Katie Hopkins across the water... they both aim to be talked about by being controversial and insulting and are both extremely effective at doing so, and sadly, he nowadays has about as much interest in providing actual football analysis as Katie does.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.

I agree with this, and said so in this thread. But the ott top annoyance and 20+ posts by the same people on the subject is where I am coming from
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.

And there was me thinking the mighty men from Meath were tough. Pale softie!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
Some people have an axe to grind with Brolly and they'll use whatever they can against him.
Me?
I was a big fan of his, but now I find I like him less and less as the weeks go by.
He's in danger of going the Davy Fitz route and becoming a caricature of himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.

And there was me thinking the mighty men from Meath were tough. Pale softie!

I would have no problem with him elbowing Marty in the ribs, like a man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
+1
personally don't see why people get so annoyed by him.

because people need to be annoyed. It's what fuels the new age of social media. Typey typey type. Will be something else tomorrow, and something else the day after.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a completely unnecessary and hurtful thing to say about a colleague on live television?
A colleague who by all accounts is a very decent chap, despite the fact that he gives me a pain in my head as a commentator.
It's a decency issue I suppose.
Some people think you should be able to say whatever you like, about whoever you like, so long as it doesn't affect them.

And there was me thinking the mighty men from Meath were tough. Pale softie!

I would have no problem with him elbowing Marty in the ribs, like a man.

That a boy! Up the Royals.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: winghalfun on June 03, 2015, 10:56:57 AM
Someone asked on the Sunday game thread "Why are the night time men much better analysts. The day time live programme has the 3 amigos who just look for headlines and cheap jibes, whereas the night programme actually does attempt to analyse the games"

I think the simple answer is that the '3 Amigos' do not have the ability to analyse a game subjectively in tactical terms in real time and resort to rehearsed cliches.

I use to watch the half-time and full-time analysis but don't anymore because it is of no value.

Analysis should be just that, 'a detailed examination of the elements or structure of something'. I don't feel I am getting that. Just a load of hyperbole.

They are no better or worse than these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH8VrAWvnCc

The ad breaks don't help either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 03, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
I'm not sure where to put it but Darragh O'Se is some man his column's are fantastic!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on June 03, 2015, 12:14:52 PM
Todays colum by OShea is a must read.Laugh out funny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on June 03, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
I'm not sure where to put it but Darragh O'Se is some man his column's are fantastic!!!!

Very good.

It is a terrible pity they didn't get a 45 that day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
Youse would miss Brolly if he quit RTE today. He might annoy you at times but people love to watch him, and I don't just mean people on here. He's the most popular by far, and maybe it's interesting that the following he has outside GAA diehards love him more because they don't take it as seriously. As for the others, think back to Spillane's ridiculous Kerry rant on the Sunday Game evening Show after last year's All Ireland Final. Would you really prefer that crap if Joe left. O'Rourke can be ok but jaysus he can dull.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
If by 'dull' you mean he generally talks sense without insulting people or shouting then yes, he is a bit dull.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: Any craic on June 03, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
Youse would miss Brolly if he quit RTE today. He might annoy you at times but people love to watch him, and I don't just mean people on here. He's the most popular by far, and maybe it's interesting that the following he has outside GAA diehards love him more because they don't take it as seriously. As for the others, think back to Spillane's ridiculous Kerry rant on the Sunday Game evening Show after last year's All Ireland Final. Would you really prefer that crap if Joe left. O'Rourke can be ok but jaysus he can dull.

I actually try not to watch the RTE Panel at all. Spillane and Brolly are both hobby horse specialists, who just happen to play the bad cop/worse cop roles. I happened to see Brolly's comment about Morrissey, but I'd say I've watched RTE football analysts probably 8 times in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 03, 2015, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.

You see I'd have Wooly worse than Brolly. I can't have the man at all and his voice goes right through me. I know lot's of people from Laois but none of them sound like him.

He's got a tweet up at the minute about Laois and Kildare clashing with the Champions League Final... who gives a shiny shite?!! Watch the Gaelic or watch the soccer it's up to you!

Was he even that good? I think he was a decent Club player but he was never decent at County level. Was he even playing when Laois last won Leinster?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 03:04:57 PM
Ah he was a decent inter county player, but you're right he's done well to make a media career on the back of that. In fairness I find he talks more and more sense on the radio these days. His twitter account is a bit mental, and so I don't follow him any more. Not sure if he played in 2003, he was one of these lads always falling out with them. But in fairness he laughs at himself now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on June 03, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
If by 'dull' you mean he generally talks sense without insulting people or shouting then yes, he is a bit dull.

A man who said he would eat his hat if a player as bad as Brian Dooher won an All Ireland... he wasn't talking too much sense that day, and he was being gratuitously insulting
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 03, 2015, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 03:04:57 PM
Ah he was a decent inter county player, but you're right he's done well to make a media career on the back of that. In fairness I find he talks more and more sense on the radio these days. His twitter account is a bit mental, and so I don't follow him any more. Not sure if he played in 2003, he was one of these lads always falling out with them. But in fairness he laughs at himself now.

He was a sub in 2003, he's not too bad on OTB, he's just someone with good interest in sport, not strong on facts and doesn't take himself or sport too seriously. I think he has developed really well, almost an anti-Eoin McDermott.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
I agree. He's matured into a sports fan who can articulate a point of view, and poke fun at himself and others. There's worse lads on the various airways.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: red hander on June 03, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
If by 'dull' you mean he generally talks sense without insulting people or shouting then yes, he is a bit dull.

A man who said he would eat his hat if a player as bad as Brian Dooher won an All Ireland... he wasn't talking too much sense that day, and he was being gratuitously insulting

Says the Tyrone man.  ;D
Cry me a river.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on June 03, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
When Joe wrote about Tomas saying how Joe himself was great craic/crack as a means of defence you knew you're reading someone with a serious ego problem. Can you imagine Dara writing how much of a laugh he was according to others?

You can see in Joe's tweets, when he retweets praise, that this man is lacking something. Worse than Fearon replying to himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on June 04, 2015, 12:28:01 AM
I remember a Saturday game 7 or 8 years back, Offaly were playing in croker (maybe meath?); they weren't doing great and were maybe 4-5 down at ht. McManus had being doing his best for the biffs but was having a tough day of it, the HT analysis consisted of a series of clips of McManus putting balls wide while Brolly and O'Rourke laughed in the background like two school girls. I thought they were two complete wankers that day and nothing they've done since would make me think I'm wrong. The sooner the pair of them and Spillane are shipped out, the better
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
0I see Poacher is having a go at Brolly this week for him slagging off the Harps Kilcoo scorefest the other week.

Silly boy he should have left it alone Joe wasn't slagging the Club per se but more the fact that Down has descended into a mire of the blanket defence as well. Also is there any defending a game of football that finished 0-6 to 1-3? Poacher has basically just said "ah but we are a good club and we're getting closer to Kilcoo and Mayobridge so you're wrong Brolly". . . all those things may be true but Brolly's not wrong!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
0I see Poacher is having a go at Brolly this week for him slagging off the Harps Kilcoo scorefest the other week.

Silly boy he should have left it alone Joe wasn't slagging the Club per se but more the fact that Down has descended into a mire of the blanket defence as well. Also is there any defending a game of football that finished 0-6 to 1-3? Poacher has basically just said "ah but we are a good club and we're getting closer to Kilcoo and Mayobridge so you're wrong Brolly". . . all those things may be true but Brolly's not wrong!

Scorefest or snorefest. Sounds like a Screen game :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
0I see Poacher is having a go at Brolly this week for him slagging off the Harps Kilcoo scorefest the other week.

Silly boy he should have left it alone Joe wasn't slagging the Club per se but more the fact that Down has descended into a mire of the blanket defence as well. Also is there any defending a game of football that finished 0-6 to 1-3? Poacher has basically just said "ah but we are a good club and we're getting closer to Kilcoo and Mayobridge so you're wrong Brolly". . . all those things may be true but Brolly's not wrong!

Scorefest or snorefest. Sounds like a Screen game :P

Can you even go to a Glen match anymore I heard your lads just love the training too much they can't be bothered with games ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
0I see Poacher is having a go at Brolly this week for him slagging off the Harps Kilcoo scorefest the other week.

Silly boy he should have left it alone Joe wasn't slagging the Club per se but more the fact that Down has descended into a mire of the blanket defence as well. Also is there any defending a game of football that finished 0-6 to 1-3? Poacher has basically just said "ah but we are a good club and we're getting closer to Kilcoo and Mayobridge so you're wrong Brolly". . . all those things may be true but Brolly's not wrong!

Scorefest or snorefest. Sounds like a Screen game :P

Can you even go to a Glen match anymore I heard your lads just love the training too much they can't be bothered with games ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Haha mad for the training. #noblanket
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 18, 2015, 11:34:41 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.

Was the sound not way in front of the picture?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on June 18, 2015, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2015, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.

You see I'd have Wooly worse than Brolly. I can't have the man at all and his voice goes right through me. I know lot's of people from Laois but none of them sound like him.

He's got a tweet up at the minute about Laois and Kildare clashing with the Champions League Final... who gives a shiny shite?!! Watch the Gaelic or watch the soccer it's up to you!

Was he even that good? I think he was a decent Club player but he was never decent at County level. Was he even playing when Laois last won Leinster?

I'd have actually warmed to Parkinson somewhat. Often don't agree with him but as AZ has said, he doesn't take himself too seriously or sport in general too seriously. He actually doesn't hide the fact he enjoys and watches other sports.

He is good on the sideline and in an interview he actually very interesting questions rather than off the standard script. As an ex-player and as he seems he have a personality, this generally seems to get him access and answers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on June 19, 2015, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Bingo on June 18, 2015, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2015, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.

You see I'd have Wooly worse than Brolly. I can't have the man at all and his voice goes right through me. I know lot's of people from Laois but none of them sound like him.

He's got a tweet up at the minute about Laois and Kildare clashing with the Champions League Final... who gives a shiny shite?!! Watch the Gaelic or watch the soccer it's up to you!

Was he even that good? I think he was a decent Club player but he was never decent at County level. Was he even playing when Laois last won Leinster?

I'd have actually warmed to Parkinson somewhat. Often don't agree with him but as AZ has said, he doesn't take himself too seriously or sport in general too seriously. He actually doesn't hide the fact he enjoys and watches other sports.

He is good on the sideline and in an interview he actually very interesting questions rather than off the standard script. As an ex-player and as he seems he have a personality, this generally seems to get him access and answers.

Agreed - I remember the day that he had Cavanagh on the sideline and managed to tell him and ask him what Brolly had said about him re the conor mcmanus tackle - I thought it was going to make for interesting listening but then realised he was talking to cliche programmed robot!!! :(

Would loved Cavanagh to say something like maybe thats why I have 3 all irelands and joe has only one! lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on June 19, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
Quit your whining!!!! Didn't matter to either team in the end!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
A goal wouldn't have mattered to Monaghan? Are you kidding?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 19, 2015, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 18, 2015, 11:34:41 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
I had the telly on with the sound off for the Cavan v Monaghan game and I left it off at half-time.
Newstalk's radio coverage was far better.

Was the sound not way in front of the picture?

No, well not to the extent that it bothered me anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on June 19, 2015, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

After Brolly's rant, both O'Rourke and Spillane basically said they wouldn't have had a problem with a teammate doing the exact same when they played. There was a similar tackle in Sunday's match at Salthill and no one has gone off on one like the Dungiven gimp did
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on June 19, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
A goal wouldn't have mattered to Monaghan? Are you kidding?

No I'm not kidding - Monaghan may not have went on to win the match and if they did they would not of won the all ireland!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 19, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
A goal wouldn't have mattered to Monaghan? Are you kidding?

No I'm not kidding - Monaghan may not have went on to win the match and if they did they would not of won the all ireland!

A chance of winning the match, an AIQF, was huge. Trying to diminish that because you think they wouldn't have won the AI (what exactly does that have to do with anything?) is hard to understand.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: red hander on June 19, 2015, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

After Brolly's rant, both O'Rourke and Spillane basically said they wouldn't have had a problem with a teammate doing the exact same when they played. There was a similar tackle in Sunday's match at Salthill and no one has gone off on one like the Dungiven gimp did

A more educated gimp than you!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: topcuppla on June 19, 2015, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: red hander on June 19, 2015, 05:02:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

After Brolly's rant, both O'Rourke and Spillane basically said they wouldn't have had a problem with a teammate doing the exact same when they played. There was a similar tackle in Sunday's match at Salthill and no one has gone off on one like the Dungiven gimp did

A more educated gimp than you!

:D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 19, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
Monaghan were building back then, another quarter final appearance last year. Semi this year a real possibility. They are one to watch for on everyone's radar.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2015, 10:47:16 PM
Joe Brolly will always be Joe Brolly. He'll make fairly educated points and then ruin it with a one-liner in the excitement of his moment. Unfortunately, he can affect young lads' lives by not filtering his mouth on national TV. 90% of the time he's decent entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on June 20, 2015, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 19, 2015, 10:47:16 PM
Joe Brolly will always be Joe Brolly. He'll make fairly educated points and then ruin it with a one-liner in the excitement of his moment. Unfortunately, he can affect young lads' lives by not filtering his mouth on national TV. 90% of the time he's decent entertainment.
Agree  with your point.  Anyone who knows Joe shrugs their shoulders and let him get on with it. He deserves the odd slap but only àn eejit would take him that seriously.  As tomas o se would say. Deadly Craic
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 20, 2015, 01:22:53 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 20, 2015, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 19, 2015, 10:47:16 PM
Joe Brolly will always be Joe Brolly. He'll make fairly educated points and then ruin it with a one-liner in the excitement of his moment. Unfortunately, he can affect young lads' lives by not filtering his mouth on national TV. 90% of the time he's decent entertainment.
Agree  with your point.  Anyone who knows Joe shrugs their shoulders and let him get on with it. He deserves the odd slap but only àn eejit would take him that seriously.  As tomas o se would say. Deadly Craic
As O'Neill (in an rare astute moment) pointed out earlier, according to Joe, Tomas O'Sé thinks he's great craic,  therefore it is so. and 
now you indirectly implicate Tomas as saying Joe is deadly craic.

Is there a name for that ego condition of desperately defending your own image of yourself by imposing into the public domain, another person's supposed good opinion of you?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2015, 09:14:22 AM
Of course he wanted him sent off. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it the other side. That's what I'm saying, they'd all do it, it''s the rules fault if they are not punished enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on June 21, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
Brolly is a drama-queen nob-jockey.  Spillane and O'Rourke know he's such.  He  cowardly character assassinates players and managers live on TV for no other purpose than being controversial.   

What pleases Joe most is the intelligence-lacking gombeens from his own county and beyond who hang on his every banal utterance:  Sean Cavanagh isn't a man, my ma is from Tyrone so I can slag them all I like,  that manager hasn't a clue and that one is a disgrace,   rewind there  at slow speed til I show ye some cynical play,  they were hard but fair in my day blah, blah,  listen to my ideas if you want GAA brought back to its glory days etc.   

He's a GAA Jerry Springer who  salivates at imagining some numpties in a pub coming out with the words "Joe Brolly is right y'no..."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
The good citizens of Emyvale village would most certainly prefer if the drivers coming from Aughnacloy  were competent and kept their attention on the road,, so that they would negotiate the bend into main street without threatening life and limb.

(http://emyvale.net/wpimages/wp769161cc_05.jpg)


(http://ulsterherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Emyvale-crash-Glenn-Murphy-460x336.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
The good citizens of Emyvale village would most certainly prefer if the drivers coming from Aughnacloy  were competent and kept their attention on the road,, so that they would negotiate the bend into main street without threatening life and limb.

(http://emyvale.net/wpimages/wp769161cc_05.jpg)


(http://ulsterherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Emyvale-crash-Glenn-Murphy-460x336.jpg)

Build a bypass then...you can still put up the Tyrone flags on on the lampposts like in Clontibret
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on June 22, 2015, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
The good citizens of Emyvale village would most certainly prefer if the drivers coming from Aughnacloy  were competent and kept their attention on the road,, so that they would negotiate the bend into main street without threatening life and limb.

(http://emyvale.net/wpimages/wp769161cc_05.jpg)


(http://ulsterherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Emyvale-crash-Glenn-Murphy-460x336.jpg)

Build a bypass then...you can still put up the Tyrone flags on on the lampposts like in Clontibret

Call me stereotypical or whatever ye want but the 3 behind the car don't look like Tyrone wans! So ye cant blame us
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Chimley on June 22, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
They'd more than likely be local onlookers then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
Not to mention thon Monaghan hoors profiteering of the milk nutured from the fine pastures of Tyrone.
And to rub salt into the wound, try to blame us for their roads being shite.

Keep it in Strathroy then I say!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on June 22, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 22, 2015, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
The good citizens of Emyvale village would most certainly prefer if the drivers coming from Aughnacloy  were competent and kept their attention on the road,, so that they would negotiate the bend into main street without threatening life and limb.

(http://emyvale.net/wpimages/wp769161cc_05.jpg)


(http://ulsterherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Emyvale-crash-Glenn-Murphy-460x336.jpg)

Build a bypass then...you can still put up the Tyrone flags on on the lampposts like in Clontibret

Call me stereotypical or whatever ye want but the 3 behind the car don't look like Tyrone wans! So ye cant blame us

I saw that Avensis there on Saturday morning. Can confirm it was a DL reg.. Made me think of this!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaFDOB_CYAA2b8O.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on June 22, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 22, 2015, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 22, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 19, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on June 19, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
No amount of All Irelands can change the fact Cavanagh's actions that day were reprehensible.

Reprehensible? come off it. Cavanagh's actions were no more or no less than what I would expect any team mate of mine to do in a big game. The fact that the laws at the time allowed him to go relatively unpunished is not his fault.  I haven't met anyone who played at any sort of level who thought that Cavanagh did anything they wouldn't do themselves.

Except that time when a fella from Offaly wanted Cluxton sent off for same in 2007!
Dragging down McManus after he showed a clean pair of heels  and clear on goal was  frustrating as hell  but just foul play in the scheme of things. Brolly's rant was totally misplaced, AZ's expressed  sentiments on that incident  are spot on. Brolly was out of order and hypocritical.

Earlier in that game  Sean dragged down a player and got him yellow carded and in all probability was pleased with that,  gaining a handy scorable free and getting Monaghan's best player on a yellow.  That could  be called the  'double tyrone',  they probably have an award for that in Tyrone,  the 'best double tyrone of the year' award

Yeah I think I seen a banner for that award among the bunting going through Emyvale for the semi final.
The good citizens of Emyvale village would most certainly prefer if the drivers coming from Aughnacloy  were competent and kept their attention on the road,, so that they would negotiate the bend into main street without threatening life and limb.

(http://emyvale.net/wpimages/wp769161cc_05.jpg)


(http://ulsterherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Emyvale-crash-Glenn-Murphy-460x336.jpg)

Build a bypass then...you can still put up the Tyrone flags on on the lampposts like in Clontibret

Call me stereotypical or whatever ye want but the 3 behind the car don't look like Tyrone wans! So ye cant blame us

I saw that Avensis there on Saturday morning. Can confirm it was a DL reg.. Made me think of this!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaFDOB_CYAA2b8O.jpg)

LOL actually think that's my fav line from Fr Ted
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on June 25, 2015, 12:04:09 AM
Joe Brolly is a very nice man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
God, Irish people love rumours.
Where would we be without them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on July 07, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
Ok deleted.  Plenty of men have been caught driving in the bus lane I suppose... but not Sean Cav that's for sure! !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
He was probably caught diving in the bus lane at some stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on July 08, 2015, 12:37:26 AM
Quote from: imagine on July 07, 2015, 11:18:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 07, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 07, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
Ok deleted.  Plenty of men have been caught driving in the bus lane I suppose... but not Sean Cav that's for sure! !
And Sreetfighter should delete also
And throwball also

Agreed and done.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on July 08, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 07, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 07, 2015, 09:59:51 PM
Ok deleted.  Plenty of men have been caught driving in the bus lane I suppose... but not Sean Cav that's for sure! !
And Sreetfighter should delete also

I just went to delete it and its already gone.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on July 08, 2015, 08:36:27 PM
Well spotted... Sorted!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on July 09, 2015, 12:32:08 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 09, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Don't know what is being deleted here but was speaking to a couple
from Moneymore out in Fuengirola last night and there's a scandal coming
I haven't a notion what's going on. Someone PM me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on July 09, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
Quote

Don't know what is being deleted here but was speaking to a couple
from Moneymore out in Fuengirola last night and there's a scandal coming
I believe you should delete that post too as many people will find the thought of Funguerola quite  offensive.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on July 09, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
Could everyone please delete any reference to deletions as it is leading to speculation as to what was deleted?

I heard he was playing illegally for Armagh and broke a Dublin players jaw. Allegedly.

EDIT: I added the word allegedly because that is a water tight defense against libel and slander.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 09, 2015, 08:59:19 PM
"Joe Brolly could face RTÉ rap amid GAA fury over Cork V Kerry referee criticism"

What? Pure bullshit! Joe Brolly is an analyst, right? Gets payed to analyse the game, basically say who was and wasn't shit and why. He analysed the ref, the ref was shit, so he said it as it was, if he had said that about a player nobody would've taken any notice, but, say anything about the GAA's "goons" and they'll get fair pissed, despite the fact that most referees appear completely incompetent the majority of the time (talking to you Cormac Reilly).

I'm not taking any f**king prisoners here lads, who are the only people who get payed? The GAA and the refs, yet they never seem to be doing what they're supposed be doing right, because, I'm sure by this stage everyone knows that the GAA are greedy, money-grabbers and referees seem to be largely incompetent in many cases...

... and is anyone else suspicious of them Kerry bhoyz with da refs? 😂😂😉 (Has anyone read this far?)

(Follow my instagram @gaa.banter)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: giveballaghback on July 09, 2015, 09:38:11 PM
The last thing I would want to do is follow your instagram!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 09, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
Interesting view from Tony Scullion. I get the impression a growing number of people are getting a bit tired of Joe.

"It's easy for Joe to sit in a studio or write in a paper"
09 July 2015

Tony Scullion has hit out at his former Derry team mate Joe Brolly, dubbing his criticism of Brian McIver "completely unfair".

Scullion and Brolly starred at opposite ends of the pitch on the Oak Leaf side that won the All-Ireland in 1993 and the former teak tough defender says the controversial pundit isn't in a position to criticise managers as he hasn't managed himself:

"His criticisms have been completely unfair. Everyone knows Joe. I played with Joe and played against him," Scullion states in The Irish News.

"Joe can talk. He causes controversy. It's easy for Joe to sit in a studio or write in a paper about managements and players. He's entitled to his opinion but I don't agree with what he says. I think he has been very critical of Brian and very unfair to Derry.

"If he had experience on the line himself, then he would think twice. Sometimes Joe just likes to say things to stir controversy but he would need to realise that these are real people he is talking about here.

"I respect Joe's comments on certain things but I don't agree with him being personal and cutting to players and management."

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cuconnacht on July 10, 2015, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on July 09, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
Could everyone please delete any reference to deletions as it is leading to speculation as to what was deleted?

I heard he was playing illegally for Armagh and broke a Dublin players jaw. Allegedly.

EDIT: I added the word allegedly because that is a water tight defense against libel and slander.
Watertight in a sinking ship already full of water for you have placed a full stop both before and after the word.The before stop negates any connect to the previous sentence,the after a typo or you were about to give examples of the word such as
The Mayo lunar mission of 1958 was a complete success,
On arriving they were greeted by Tyrone people already there,
Or Roscommonn posters have agreed a one years non whinging pact on kids football.
The capitalisation further removes it from any pretence of slander/libel avoidance and so swish of silks,click of wig into briefcase cajing of conscientious barristers till,"I will see you in court sir,good day!"

This post will self delete in five seconds on which all deleted posts on this thread will reappear,at which Imagine will self destruct in three at which he will self delete ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 10, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
There's talk that Joe Brolly hasn't been to mass for two weeks.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 10, 2015, 10:02:38 AM
I heard on the grapevine he immediately turned over the channel when an advert to donate to save a baby Kangeroo came on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 10, 2015, 11:38:26 PM
I don't know how hes unfair to Derry, they shit the basket against Longford twice and cavan in recent years, if they think he critical of the teams and past managers, Tony should hear the supporters, At present no manger has been fit to get the best 15 players playing for Derry and playing a number of games together, Hell Donegal nearly name the same team every game. Derry have a fair number of decent players at the minute but don't show it in the result column which is all that matters. I see Derry are 1/6 on against wexford the mor, that ridiculous given some previous flake outs we had.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on July 10, 2015, 11:59:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 10, 2015, 11:38:26 PM
I don't know how hes unfair to Derry, they shit the basket against Longford twice and cavan in recent years, if they think he critical of the teams and past managers, Tony should hear the supporters, At present no manger has been fit to get the best 15 players playing for Derry and playing a number of games together, Hell Donegal nearly name the same team every game. Derry have a fair number of decent players at the minute but don't show it in the result column which is all that matters. I see Derry are 1/6 on against wexford the mor, that ridiculous given some previous flake outs we had.

I hear where you're coming from WW but imo,  where this Derry team is now, system wise,  personnel wise,  injury wise is chalk and cheese compared to last year.  In saying that the bookie odds are ott. We've all been burnt many times before so tomorrow is a case of getting over the line. 
Good luck to the Wexford folk making the long trip up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on July 26, 2015, 10:53:31 PM
Howl on !!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 26, 2015, 11:03:02 PM
105 pages on Brolly. His head is bound to be some size now!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on August 26, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
Peter the Great not the best of buddies with Brolly :o

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-cluxton-can-ensure-dublin-end-mayo-s-hopes-1.2328490
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: doodaa on August 26, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
Brolly just does my tits in now.
There was a time it was humorous, now its just annoying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on August 26, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Lads, I'm not sure it was ever 'humourous'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: deiseach on August 26, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
Like being hit in the humerus?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 26, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
I'm sure Joe will tell us he randomly bumped into some unnamed inter-county player in B&Q this week who told him he was dead right in everything he said.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 02:23:00 PM
Brolly has long since crossed his Rubicon. He's now a parody of himself and ironically given his opinion on other channels, he (along with Martin Carney, Tommy Carr, Spillane and other clowns) make me change channel or tune out of any RTE "analysis".

RTE coverage (and management) really is appalling when they can't get how infuriating and clueless Martin Carney is also..it's ridiculous at this stage. He might be a grand fella in person, I don't know (and he was a damn good player) but he is woeful as a co-commentator and he has been there for 20 years.. :-[
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 26, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.

I thought Colm was very anti tyrone at half time  but seemed to warm to them a bit after the second half.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:21:47 PM
Colm said Tyrone 'redeemed themselves' in his eyes.

We feel so good about that now. Means a lot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on August 26, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:21:47 PM
Colm said Tyrone 'redeemed themselves' in his eyes.

We feel so good about that now. Means a lot.

It would mean more if he showed a bit of that 'manliness' he's always going on about and finally eat that hat of his
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: regal on August 26, 2015, 07:33:46 PM
Asshole
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on August 26, 2015, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
I'm sure Joe will tell us he randomly bumped into some unnamed inter-county player in B&Q this week who told him he was dead right in everything he said.

Exactly. The endless name dropping of players and managers that he socializes with, is getting very tedious. I don't believe that even half of the stories are true. They may be crossing each others paths at awards dinners and media events and such. But I seriously doubt if they are all as eager to share their innermost thoughts and feelings with him, as he would have us believe.  So its great to hear of one of them telling him to just fcuk off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ose 14 on August 26, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
in joes world the pen is mightier than the sword, but then as someone who played with a pretty small sword he now compensates with his big pen. i wonder what organ he donated
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: weejim on August 26, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
did you all know that it was joe that got t. McCann off--well that's wot he said on RTEradio news last thur so it must be true,  ?correct!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 26, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: weejim on August 26, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
did you all know that it was joe that got t. McCann off--well that's wot he said on RTEradio news last thur so it must be true,  ?correct!!

weejim, are you Pudsy Ryan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: weejim on August 26, 2015, 10:58:13 PM
did ye's not see him on the news-that's wot he said so it must b rite,  ??rite
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2015, 01:22:51 PM
This popped up on FB this morning - maybe Joe was right all along??  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/rlMACIR.png)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 28, 2015, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2015, 01:22:51 PM
This popped up on FB this morning - maybe Joe was right all along??  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/rlMACIR.png)

Is that his real a/c?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
yes

http://gaeliclife.com/2013/09/everything-is-always-fine-in-maurices-world/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 28, 2015, 02:12:44 PM
He's some tool, he might as well post

QuoteLOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I'M RELEVANT, I'M CONTROVERSIAL!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gallsman on August 28, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
I think he's great. f**k the begrudgers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 28, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
I'm sure Joe will tell us he randomly bumped into some unnamed inter-county player in B&Q this week who told him he was dead right in everything he said.

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
yes

http://gaeliclife.com/2013/09/everything-is-always-fine-in-maurices-world/

Turns out it was some random Tyrone fella telling him he was dead right in everything he said.  ::)
The script writes itself at this stage.
Edit: Just realised that's an old article, put the point still stands!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.

My point isn't really about what happened back then. Something that occurred over 20 years ago is hardly relevant when analysing football today, but Joe thought he could throw it in there to back up his little agenda about Tyrone. Having done that he thinks he can smile and laugh it all off and be big mates with everyone. It doesn't always work like that. The accuse in public, apologise in private, method that Brolly has been using for years is beginning to wear thin with people.

Anyway, Peter was about 10 classes above Joe as a player and is 10 classes above him as an analyst without having to stoop to personal insults, that's probably what irks Joe the most.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.

My point isn't really about what happened back then. Something that occurred over 20 years ago is hardly relevant when analysing football today, but Joe thought he could throw it in there to back up his little agenda about Tyrone. Having done that he thinks he can smile and laugh it all off and be big mates with everyone. It doesn't always work like that. The accuse in public, apologise in private, method that Brolly has been using for years is beginning to wear thin with people.

Anyway, Peter was about 10 classes above Joe as a player and is 10 classes above him as an analyst without having to stoop to personal insults, that's probably what irks Joe the most.
Agree with you re 'the accuse in public, apologise in private' point and no doubt Joe is over the top in a lot of ways and definitely not the analyst that Peter is, but his controversy is what keeps him in the limelight. As to the relevance of his point, I think he was just trying to rubbish the sanctimoniousness of Peter's article and, to be fair, it did have more than a touch of sanctimony. (Imho)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on September 05, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.


My point isn't really about what happened back then. Something that occurred over 20 years ago is hardly relevant when analysing football today, but Joe thought he could throw it in there to back up his little agenda about Tyrone. Having done that he thinks he can smile and laugh it all off and be big mates with everyone. It doesn't always work like that. The accuse in public, apologise in private, method that Brolly has been using for years is beginning to wear thin with people.

Anyway, Peter was about 10 classes above Joe as a player and is 10 classes above him as an analyst without having to stoop to personal insults, that's probably what irks Joe the most.

He was ten classes above him in diving terms as well, which is essential Joe's point. The master of the dive, it really does explain the amount of diving Tyrone players do, after all Peter was their idol when these boys were growing up, and as such all kids copy their idol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 05, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.


My point isn't really about what happened back then. Something that occurred over 20 years ago is hardly relevant when analysing football today, but Joe thought he could throw it in there to back up his little agenda about Tyrone. Having done that he thinks he can smile and laugh it all off and be big mates with everyone. It doesn't always work like that. The accuse in public, apologise in private, method that Brolly has been using for years is beginning to wear thin with people.

Anyway, Peter was about 10 classes above Joe as a player and is 10 classes above him as an analyst without having to stoop to personal insults, that's probably what irks Joe the most.

He was ten classes above him in diving terms as well, which is essential Joe's point. The master of the dive, it really does explain the amount of diving Tyrone players do, after all Peter was their idol when these boys were growing up, and as such all kids copy their idol

I'd say Peter didn't get half the frees that he should have got during his career. As Dick Clerkin said in his article a few weeks ago, sometimes good players have to make sure the ref sees the fouls that are being committed. Yes, Peter was good at that and showing defenders up for what they were doing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CiKe on September 05, 2015, 07:29:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 05, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: jodyb on September 05, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Given Brolly's article about Peter on Sunday, I'm not surprised Peter blanked him. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone in the game has time for him. He strikes me as the annoying character of a group which everyone puts up with but are glad when he leaves. His "backing" of Tyrone of the penalty incident in my view, like all of his analysis, was premeditated. He was going to take Tyrone's side in any controversial incident to give the impression that, even though he has had a go at Tyrone in recent weeks, he still will call it fair in the game. Unfortunately the bould Colm couldn't even manage that. Joes comments about Rose of Tralee analysis is embarrassing given the lack of insightful tactical analysis that goes on in the Sunday Game. Pure spoofer and I think more and more are cottoning on to it.
Peter can take as much umbrage as he likes Benny, but ars###le or not, what Joe said about Peter and Feargal P is perfectly accurate. Wrecked his club campaign that year too. No DRA exonerations back then or, indeed, no sanctions for feigning. Rooster even appealed to Peter, to exonerate him so that he could play club football, but obviously he was never going to do that.


My point isn't really about what happened back then. Something that occurred over 20 years ago is hardly relevant when analysing football today, but Joe thought he could throw it in there to back up his little agenda about Tyrone. Having done that he thinks he can smile and laugh it all off and be big mates with everyone. It doesn't always work like that. The accuse in public, apologise in private, method that Brolly has been using for years is beginning to wear thin with people.

Anyway, Peter was about 10 classes above Joe as a player and is 10 classes above him as an analyst without having to stoop to personal insults, that's probably what irks Joe the most.

He was ten classes above him in diving terms as well, which is essential Joe's point. The master of the dive, it really does explain the amount of diving Tyrone players do, after all Peter was their idol when these boys were growing up, and as such all kids copy their idol

I'd say Peter didn't get half the frees that he should have got during his career. As Dick Clerkin said in his article a few weeks ago, sometimes good players have to make sure the ref sees the fouls that are being committed. Yes, Peter was good at that and showing defenders up for what they were doing.

He dived and did feign injury - not the first person and not the last person but that is no defense. The diving for a free I can understand to an extent but not condone as what you say contains an element of truth, but feigning injury to get a player sent off is an uncrossable red line that casts a dark, dark shadow over any player and should not just be conveniently forgotten with the passing of time.

In this regard, independently of anything else he ever did, Philly Jordan will always stand out for me as the worst example but it does seem to have been something much more prevalent in Tyrone than elsewhere. There is playing hard and pushing things to the limit with the verbals but for me that shite takes away from anything that team ever did - the shame of it all being that they were such a good team they didn't need to.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
Brolly got slaughtered for this but today was a further vindication for him on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyAZy4cM8uE

Cooper's status is ridiculously and undeservedly exalted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
Brolly got slaughtered for this but today was a further vindication for him on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyAZy4cM8uE

Cooper's status is ridiculously and undeservedly exalted.

Ah stop.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
Brolly got slaughtered for this but today was a further vindication for him on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyAZy4cM8uE

Cooper's status is ridiculously and undeservedly exalted.

Ah stop.

Typical of the censure around any sort of reasonable criticism of Cooper. Why is he so protected among the GAA media?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Today Gooch wasn't brilliant  but he was on a side where no player was,he's 32 years of age and it was generally a dreadful match in desperate conditions. To use that as a stick to try beat a man with that has been a joy to watch for the past decade or so is quite frankly ludicrous to me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Today Gooch wasn't brilliant  but he was on a side where no player was,he's 32 years of age and it was generally a dreadful match in desperate conditions. To use that as a stick to try beat a man with that has been a joy to watch for the past decade or so is quite frankly ludicrous to me.

But it's a recurring theme how he fails to perform in the big games when his team really need him. It's grand when everything is going nicely and they're steamrolling Cork and Mayo but what about the games with the Ulster sides where they were struggling to get over the line? He never really managed to impost himself in big games against the Ulster sides, I felt he was very well marshalled in big games against Tyrone, Monaghan, Down, Donegal and Armagh all trough his career and today was another example of that. He's a very talented player, no doubt about that but is he a bit of a flat track bully?

I think Brolly made that point very well and was savaged for it as there seems to be an unwritten rule that states Gooch is untouchable and above question or criticism, a lot of the shadier side of his game are completely glossed over as well.

Today was a further vindication for the point Brolly made about Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 06:18:13 PM
Cooper been poor since coming back from injury, but every very good player i seen fades after 31 or so, D Dolan, P Bradley, C Cooper,D O`Sullivan, A Tohill, M Fitzgerald, etc all dipped seriously once they hit that age. Linden was the only exception who still had speed to burn at 38, never understood why he didn't lose his speed. Sean Cavanagh and brogan are that age group too, i expect their legs to go over the next 2yrs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
This has been done to death so i'll leave it as we'll agree to disagree because we'll just go around in circles like always happens when this pops up.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
In all honesty Joe went missing too many times he played against Paul Donnelly so he can hardly give out about players going missing in the heat of battle
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
In all honesty Joe went missing too many times he played against Paul Donnelly so he can hardly give out about players going missing in the heat of battle

Not really the point or issue. Cooper is regarded as one of the greats of the game but has a record of failing to put in performances in big games when his team really need him.

You look over the past 15-20 years and you see how guys like Canavan, Joyce, McDonnell, Donaghy, Dooher, McConville, Cavanagh etc really stood up and were counted when their teams really needed them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:45:43 PM
How many games in Championship football can you recall Cooper dragging Kerry over the line when they were toiling for instance?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StephenC on September 20, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
In all honesty Joe went missing too many times he played against Paul Donnelly so he can hardly give out about players going missing in the heat of battle

Not really the point or issue. Cooper is regarded as one of the greats of the game but has a record of failing to put in performances in big games when his team really need him.

You look over the past 15-20 years and you see how guys like Canavan, Joyce, McDonnell, Donaghy, Dooher, McConville, Cavanagh etc really stood up and were counted when their teams really needed them.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 20, 2015, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:45:43 PM
How many games in Championship football can you recall Cooper dragging Kerry over the line when they were toiling for instance?

He hasnt had to because they win most games fairly comfortably and a lot of that is down to his brilliance. The bottom line is that he hasnt fully recovered from his cruciate injury. He will be a lot better next year if he stays injury free. Any player over 25 takes a very long time to recover from a cruciate injury, any physio would say that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:08:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 20, 2015, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 06:45:43 PM
How many games in Championship football can you recall Cooper dragging Kerry over the line when they were toiling for instance?

He hasnt had to because they win most games fairly comfortably and a lot of that is down to his brilliance. The bottom line is that he hasnt fully recovered from his cruciate injury. He will be a lot better next year if he stays injury free. Any player over 25 takes a very long time to recover from a cruciate injury, any physio would say that.

But this has nothing really to do with his injury. It was a case of Kerry needing a big performance out of Cooper and once again him being found wanting when it's high stakes. It's a recurring theme and Kerry had plenty of players today who didn't perform but Cooper is one of all time greats apparently and I really have to question his inclusion in that pantheon when he doesn't deliver at critical stages.

If you look at Kerry in Gooch's intercounty career, which big games has he got them over the line in? He's lost more All Ireland finals than he has won. Of the All Ireland finals he has won they have been against Cork and Mayo and only one of them was in anyway competitive (being the 09 final with Cork) where Kerry never really looked in much bother near the end.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.

Come on, he's talked about as one of the best players to ever play the game so he should be judged in those parameters.

All good players are targeted, it's always been the case. Cooper is nothing new there and it's also far more difficult (and naive) to target him when Kerry have such an abundance of other talented players. I'd actually love to see how Cooper would handled the attention someone like Paddy Bradley, Peter Canavan or Conor McManus had/have in their county careers.

What Cooper has returned in those big games does not cut it for a player with his exalted reputation. Darragh O'Se and Donaghy were too players in particular who I felt were superb for Kerry when they needed big performances at critical junctures, I've always felt Cooper has a yellow streak in him when the going gets tough and today was another case of that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.

Come on, he's talked about as one of the best players to ever play the game so he should be judged in those parameters.

All good players are targeted, it's always been the case. Cooper is nothing new there and it's also far more difficult (and naive) to target him when Kerry have such an abundance of other talented players. I'd actually love to see how Cooper would handled the attention someone like Paddy Bradley, Peter Canavan or Conor McManus had/have in their county careers.

What Cooper has returned in those big games does not cut it for a player with his exalted reputation. Darragh O'Se and Donaghy were too players in particular who I felt were superb for Kerry when they needed big performances at critical junctures, I've always felt Cooper has a yellow streak in him when the going gets tough and today was another case of that.

So we should've just left it as we'll agree to disagree like a said a few posts back?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.

Come on, he's talked about as one of the best players to ever play the game so he should be judged in those parameters.

All good players are targeted, it's always been the case. Cooper is nothing new there and it's also far more difficult (and naive) to target him when Kerry have such an abundance of other talented players. I'd actually love to see how Cooper would handled the attention someone like Paddy Bradley, Peter Canavan or Conor McManus had/have in their county careers.

What Cooper has returned in those big games does not cut it for a player with his exalted reputation. Darragh O'Se and Donaghy were too players in particular who I felt were superb for Kerry when they needed big performances at critical junctures, I've always felt Cooper has a yellow streak in him when the going gets tough and today was another case of that.

So we should've just left it as we'll agree to disagree like a said a few posts back?

If Gooch is talked about as an all time great he should be judged on the type of standards you'd expect of an all time great. For me he falls far behind a fair few other forwards of his generation.

I'd have guys like Canavan, Joyce, McDonnell, Bradley etc. He's played on a great team all his career, he's never been weighed down with the burden of carrying teams like the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Bradley or McManus have been at varying stages of their careers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Talks a good game on September 20, 2015, 07:40:27 PM
Watched the All Ireland on sky for the first time....Don'k know or care what Joe had to give out about today.
Looking forward to many more summers not having to listen to his self publicising bullshit  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mikhailov on September 20, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
In addition to some of the points already made IMO the Gooch also failed to produce the goods against Cross in a few club games. James Morgan completely nullified him in 1 particular game that springs to mind. It is easy to produce for Kerry as they coast through 75% of their games against crap teams. A player should always be judged on what he does when his team is in trouble, not when they are cruising!. IMO, he is not even in discussions for all time great status. Not in same league as Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell and a few others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 20, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.

Come on, he's talked about as one of the best players to ever play the game so he should be judged in those parameters.

All good players are targeted, it's always been the case. Cooper is nothing new there and it's also far more difficult (and naive) to target him when Kerry have such an abundance of other talented players. I'd actually love to see how Cooper would handled the attention someone like Paddy Bradley, Peter Canavan or Conor McManus had/have in their county careers.

What Cooper has returned in those big games does not cut it for a player with his exalted reputation. Darragh O'Se and Donaghy were too players in particular who I felt were superb for Kerry when they needed big performances at critical junctures, I've always felt Cooper has a yellow streak in him when the going gets tough and today was another case of that.

So we should've just left it as we'll agree to disagree like a said a few posts back?

If Gooch is talked about as an all time great he should be judged on the type of standards you'd expect of an all time great. For me he falls far behind a fair few other forwards of his generation.

I'd have guys like Canavan, Joyce, McDonnell, Bradley etc. He's played on a great team all his career, he's never been weighed down with the burden of carrying teams like the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Bradley or McManus have been at varying stages of their careers.

Peter canavan is widely regarded as a great but he got destroyed almost every time by kieran mckeever.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on September 20, 2015, 08:32:31 PM
Really? 1995? 1996?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 20, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
In addition to some of the points already made IMO the Gooch also failed to produce the goods against Cross in a few club games. James Morgan completely nullified him in 1 particular game that springs to mind. It is easy to produce for Kerry as they coast through 75% of their games against crap teams. A player should always be judged on what he does when his team is in trouble, not when they are cruising!. IMO, he is not even in discussions for all time great status. Not in same league as Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell and a few others.

+1 to all this. What irks me is the censure around any sort of reasonable criticism of Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
Canavan got the better of McKeever in 1992 league final and in 1996 when Mckeever was working in Dublin and not get in the training, 95 McKeever marked him rightly and again this is back in the day when defenders marked 1 on 1, any other time McKeever and Lockhart were well fit for him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 20, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
Don't know why i'm even bothering doing this again but off the top of my head he was brilliant against the Dubs 2 years back when they almost pulled off a shock victory.  He dragged Kerry straight back into the game by sticking one in the net v Mayo in 2011 i think straight after O Connor scored a penalty to put Mayo ahead and continued to play brilliantly throughout. Has been man of the match in All Ireland finals, scored 3 or 4 points from play against Tyrone in 2005 when they were at their meanest and singled him out for attention.

The big thing though is that when Gooch is/was onsong there is rarely a need for them to pull off a dramatic comeback or scrape home because he has already done the damage and the game is put to bed. Of course he has poor games he's only human but for someone to score and create so much up to and including All Ireland finals despite being as light as he is and being targetted in the most physically demanding era of the game is phenomenal.

Come on, he's talked about as one of the best players to ever play the game so he should be judged in those parameters.

All good players are targeted, it's always been the case. Cooper is nothing new there and it's also far more difficult (and naive) to target him when Kerry have such an abundance of other talented players. I'd actually love to see how Cooper would handled the attention someone like Paddy Bradley, Peter Canavan or Conor McManus had/have in their county careers.

What Cooper has returned in those big games does not cut it for a player with his exalted reputation. Darragh O'Se and Donaghy were too players in particular who I felt were superb for Kerry when they needed big performances at critical junctures, I've always felt Cooper has a yellow streak in him when the going gets tough and today was another case of that.

So we should've just left it as we'll agree to disagree like a said a few posts back?

If Gooch is talked about as an all time great he should be judged on the type of standards you'd expect of an all time great. For me he falls far behind a fair few other forwards of his generation.

I'd have guys like Canavan, Joyce, McDonnell, Bradley etc. He's played on a great team all his career, he's never been weighed down with the burden of carrying teams like the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Bradley or McManus have been at varying stages of their careers.

Peter canavan is widely regarded as a great but he got destroyed almost every time by kieran mckeever.

Canavan was a player who consistently produced the goods in big games when it really mattered and he did it for a lot of his career where he was imperative to the team. Today was yet another day when Kerry badly needed something from Cooper but he didn't deliver.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 20, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
In addition to some of the points already made IMO the Gooch also failed to produce the goods against Cross in a few club games. James Morgan completely nullified him in 1 particular game that springs to mind. It is easy to produce for Kerry as they coast through 75% of their games against crap teams. A player should always be judged on what he does when his team is in trouble, not when they are cruising!. IMO, he is not even in discussions for all time great status. Not in same league as Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell and a few others.

+1 to all this. What irks me is the censure around any sort of reasonable criticism of Cooper.

Did any of those players ever play a bad game? Did they ever fail to produce in big games? Did most of those players primarily play in an era when you simply put your best defender on their best forward rather than have 14 men in your own half?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HiMucker on September 20, 2015, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Talks a good game on September 20, 2015, 07:40:27 PM
Watched the All Ireland on sky for the first time....Don'k know or care what Joe had to give out about today.
Looking forward to many more summers not having to listen to his self publicising bullshit  :)
+1 done the same.  Even sacrificed the HD :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 20, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
In addition to some of the points already made IMO the Gooch also failed to produce the goods against Cross in a few club games. James Morgan completely nullified him in 1 particular game that springs to mind. It is easy to produce for Kerry as they coast through 75% of their games against crap teams. A player should always be judged on what he does when his team is in trouble, not when they are cruising!. IMO, he is not even in discussions for all time great status. Not in same league as Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell and a few others.

+1 to all this. What irks me is the censure around any sort of reasonable criticism of Cooper.

Did any of those players ever play a bad game? Did they ever fail to produce in big games? Did most of those players primarily play in an era when you simply put your best defender on their best forward rather than have 14 men in your own half?

Of course they did but they also performed big time when the pressure and onus was really on. How many times can we say that about Cooper? Would Cooper be capable of producing a performance like Conor McManus did in the Ulster final this year? I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 20, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
He probably would. He's a league above some of those players you mentioned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 20, 2015, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 20, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
In addition to some of the points already made IMO the Gooch also failed to produce the goods against Cross in a few club games. James Morgan completely nullified him in 1 particular game that springs to mind. It is easy to produce for Kerry as they coast through 75% of their games against crap teams. A player should always be judged on what he does when his team is in trouble, not when they are cruising!. IMO, he is not even in discussions for all time great status. Not in same league as Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell and a few others.

+1 to all this. What irks me is the censure around any sort of reasonable criticism of Cooper.

Did any of those players ever play a bad game? Did they ever fail to produce in big games? Did most of those players primarily play in an era when you simply put your best defender on their best forward rather than have 14 men in your own half?

Of course they did but they also performed big time when the pressure and onus was really on. How many times can we say that about Cooper? Would Cooper be capable of producing a performance like Conor McManus did in the Ulster final this year? I highly doubt it.

Hes miles better than mcmanus. Youre an idiot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Well Murphy was mentioned as being ahead of Cooper and he did nothing all year. I'm pretty sure Cooper has done pretty well in some Munster finals too. Cooper has done enough to be considered by many to be a great player but unlike most of the players you are comparing him with he is playing in an era of massed defence. Surely most of Mikey Sheehy or Pat Spillane's best games were against teams they were easily beating too? Is their standing in the game diminished?

McConville for example isn't next nor near the footballer that Cooper is and I'm sure he'd say that himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 20, 2015, 09:33:23 PM
Murphy played very well in parts though went missing here and there.

Cooper miles ahead of half that list. Wind up or anti kerry grudge.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 09:39:17 PM
Dunno imtommygunn, thought Murphy was very poor this year but either way Cooper deserves his standing in the game. We can debate his place amongst the greats all day long but he deserves to be in the discussion unlike a good few of the players who are being claimed to be better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on September 20, 2015, 09:40:55 PM
You could count on 1 hand the amount of bad games canavan had in his career. Cooper has illuminated many games and is one of the most skillful players of the modern era. Why he doesn't shoot more is beyond me but on form he is a pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 20, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
He probably would. He's a league above some of those players you mentioned.

He's actually not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 20, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
Canavan got the better of McKeever in 1992 league final and in 1996 when Mckeever was working in Dublin and not get in the training, 95 McKeever marked him rightly and again this is back in the day when defenders marked 1 on 1, any other time McKeever and Lockhart were well fit for him

:o Have you seen the 1995 game? Pure exhibition stuff by Canavan that day!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on September 20, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
Canavan got the better of McKeever in 1992 league final and in 1996 when Mckeever was working in Dublin and not get in the training, 95 McKeever marked him rightly and again this is back in the day when defenders marked 1 on 1, any other time McKeever and Lockhart were well fit for him

Great battles between great players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 20, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
Ah ok then.

Zulu he stood up against galway and was unmarable. Did it when it counted against tyrone though frees mostly. Mainly you're probably right though.

Gooch is up there with the best of them. Only fitzgerald and canavan better from 90 on. Linden maybe a challenger too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on September 20, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Gooch was/is twice the player Canavan was without the diving.His 4 All Ireland medals,twice as many as Canavan,were acquired without having to take a rest in the Final too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on September 20, 2015, 10:09:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 20, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
Ah ok then.

Zulu he stood up against galway and was unmarable. Did it when it counted against tyrone though frees mostly. Mainly you're probably right though.

Gooch is up there with the best of them. Only fitzgerald and canavan better from 90 on. Linden maybe a challenger too.
Michael Meehan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on September 20, 2015, 10:19:46 PM
How many Anglo-Celts has Gooch?

Case closed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 20, 2015, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 20, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Gooch was/is twice the player Canavan was without the diving.His 4 All Ireland medals,twice as many as Canavan,were acquired without having to take a rest in the Final too.

Agreed and if canavan hadnt made the schoolboy error of handling the ball on the ground tyrone might have won the all ireland in 95. Bernard brogan has got to be up there as one of the best forwards in the last ten years along with gooch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 20, 2015, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 20, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Gooch was/is twice the player Canavan was without the diving.His 4 All Ireland medals,twice as many as Canavan,were acquired without having to take a rest in the Final too.

I've always thought Audi Hamilton was better than both of the Grimleys!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
Some people are so blinkered when it comes to Cooper,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 11:53:24 PM
Matt Connor and Fitzgerald are probably the 2 most talented forward players in their time
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: time ticking away on September 21, 2015, 12:12:44 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
Canavan got the better of McKeever in 1992 league final and in 1996 when Mckeever was working in Dublin and not get in the training, 95 McKeever marked him rightly and again this is back in the day when defenders marked 1 on 1, any other time McKeever and Lockhart were well fit for him
Mc keever and lockhart were 2 brilliant defenders but canavan in the 95 ulster semi final gave one of the greatest displays I have ever seen. Absolutely unmarkable as he was all that year
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on September 21, 2015, 12:17:50 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
Some people are so blinkered when it comes to Cooper,

Ya especially them that look in mirror.  Cooper was let down today by team ; 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on September 21, 2015, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Well Murphy was mentioned as being ahead of Cooper and he did nothing all year. I'm pretty sure Cooper has done pretty well in some Munster finals too. Cooper has done enough to be considered by many to be a great player but unlike most of the players you are comparing him with he is playing in an era of massed defence. Surely most of Mikey Sheehy or Pat Spillane's best games were against teams they were easily beating too? Is their standing in the game diminished?

McConville for example isn't next nor near the footballer that Cooper is and I'm sure he'd say that himself.

There are many forwards McConville is nowhere near as skilful as. On the other hand there are very few who could produce so regularly for club and county when the chips were down. The most influential footballer I ever saw play for my county.

When it comes to the best footballers I have ever seen Jack O'Shea and Anthony Tohill were great but my favourite by some distance was Maurice Fitzgerald. Cooper is a good player. Is he better than Canavan at his peak? I am not so sure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 21, 2015, 12:31:46 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on September 21, 2015, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Well Murphy was mentioned as being ahead of Cooper and he did nothing all year. I'm pretty sure Cooper has done pretty well in some Munster finals too. Cooper has done enough to be considered by many to be a great player but unlike most of the players you are comparing him with he is playing in an era of massed defence. Surely most of Mikey Sheehy or Pat Spillane's best games were against teams they were easily beating too? Is their standing in the game diminished?

McConville for example isn't next nor near the footballer that Cooper is and I'm sure he'd say that himself.

There are many forwards McConville is nowhere near as skilful as. On the other hand there are very few who could produce so regularly for club and county when the chips were down. The most influential footballer I ever saw play for my county.

When it comes to the best footballers I have ever seen Jack O'Shea and Anthony Tohill were great but my favourite by some distance was Maurice Fitzgerald. Cooper is a good player. Is he better than Canavan at his peak? I am not so sure.

McConville was a fine player on a great Armagh team but he'll never be in the discussion about all time greats - no shame in that. Don't know if Cooper is better than Canavan but then neither were as good as Matt Conor, who was the greatest footballer ever IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on September 21, 2015, 07:19:14 AM
It would have been interesting to see how Canavan fared against Tyrone,man marked by 13 players,gouged etc.Gooch a far better player in my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on September 21, 2015, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 20, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
Well Murphy was mentioned as being ahead of Cooper and he did nothing all year. I'm pretty sure Cooper has done pretty well in some Munster finals too. Cooper has done enough to be considered by many to be a great player but unlike most of the players you are comparing him with he is playing in an era of massed defence. Surely most of Mikey Sheehy or Pat Spillane's best games were against teams they were easily beating too? Is their standing in the game diminished?

McConville for example isn't next nor near the footballer that Cooper is and I'm sure he'd say that himself.

There are many forwards McConville is nowhere near as skilful as. On the other hand there are very few who could produce so regularly for club and county when the chips were down. The most influential footballer I ever saw play for my county.

When it comes to the best footballers I have ever seen Jack O'Shea and Anthony Tohill were great but my favourite by some distance was Maurice Fitzgerald. Cooper is a good player. Is he better than Canavan at his peak? I am not so sure.

There's shouldn't even be debate between Canavan and Cooper. Canavan was on another level entirely and it was fitting that in his last game before retirement in his mid 30s he was still being decisive in a closely fought All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
f**k me this thread has descended into a steaming pile of unequivocally unfounded proclamation horseshit.

It is actually possible to acknowledge both Canavan and Cooper as all-time greats - they are not mutually exclusive claims - and it's also possible to concede that each of them has endured some disappointing and anonymous games in their star-studded careers, without weakening those claims.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 09:38:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
f**k me this thread has descended into a steaming pile of unequivocally unfounded proclamation horseshit.

It is actually possible to acknowledge both Canavan and Cooper as all-time greats - they are not mutually exclusive claims - and it's also possible to concede that each of them has endured some disappointing and anonymous games in their star-studded careers, without weakening those claims.

But that is not true and completely endemic of the censure of any justified criticism of Cooper. Cooper is a long way down the pecking order of forwards over the past 15 years. The body of evidence is building against him the whole time. Yesterday was a further addition to a game where he really needed to step up and didn't.

He's meant to be an all time great, he's played on a great team surrounded by great players. For me there is an expectation that Cooper would step up and deliver big performances when Kerry needed him and he has consistently failed in that regard. That in itself is outside the profile of a great player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 09:39:34 AM
Both are have been pure class as someone said above!

I can't remember a game where canavan was ever anonymous though! In saying that he played in a different era where he had a lot more space so don't think that should be the marker. Also gooch has come back from a brutal injury at a late stage in his career.

Both are class, no sure fire way of saying who was better so leave it at that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Bomber Destro, jesus you're wired up white and red to the hilt.

How many big games did Canavan win for Tyrone between 1997 and 2000, when he should have been at the absolute peak of his powers? The answer is none. You'll no doubt put this down to injuries (while ignoring Gooch's cruciate of 2013) and teammates (while ignoring that Kerry have been a patchwork quilt of team for the past few years, with a walking black card at full-back, no presence at 6, no passing ability in their half-forward line, and reliant on a group of old men to carry them through).

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 09:39:34 AM
Both are have been pure class as someone said above!

I can't remember a game where canavan was ever anonymous though! In saying that he played in a different era where he had a lot more space so don't think that should be the marker. Also gooch has come back from a brutal injury at a late stage in his career.

Both are class, no sure fire way of saying who was better so leave it at that

I don't think it should be brushed off at all. I think there is a huge body of evidence now to question Cooper's standing in the game. As I said we're judging him on the profile of a great player. He might look a great player when they're steamrolling Mayo and Cork and other counties but in the close tight games where the great players really shine through he has been found wanting consistently.

You couldn't say that about Canavan, McManus, Bradley, McDonnell, McConville, Joyce etc who would deliver on a regular basis when it really mattered.

I also don't take on board the point about modern game, targeting etc. Cooper played on a brilliant Kerry side filled with brilliant players and many match winners. He would not have received anywhere near the level of attention guys like Murphy, Canavan, Bradley and McManus would have received in their careers. He was never double marked like those lads were in their county careers. For me he is an inferior player to all the ones I mentioned above and I think Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy to name two Kerry forwards were more influential players for Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Bomber Destro, jesus you're wired up white and red to the hilt.

How many big games did Canavan win for Tyrone between 1997 and 2000, when he should have been at the absolute peak of his powers? The answer is none. You'll no doubt put this down to injuries (while ignoring Gooch's cruciate of 2013) and teammates (while ignoring that Kerry have been a patchwork quilt of team for the past few years, with a walking black card at full-back, no presence at 6, no passing ability in their half-forward line, and reliant on a group of old men to carry them through).

Canavan was a consistent big game player even in defeat. Tyrone were utterly reliant on him and the opposition knew it for the majority of his career.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 21, 2015, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
f**k me this thread has descended into a steaming pile of unequivocally unfounded proclamation horseshit.

It is actually possible to acknowledge both Canavan and Cooper as all-time greats - they are not mutually exclusive claims - and it's also possible to concede that each of them has endured some disappointing and anonymous games in their star-studded careers, without weakening those claims.

You'd expect nothing less of a thread with this title!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:13:22 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on September 21, 2015, 10:05:05 AM
Anyone who puts Bradley in the same sentence as Cooper, Mc Conville or Mc Manus knows FA. Feel free to show us the big games Bradley delivered in, got all his main scores via the back door against rubbish teams.

What a completely ignorant and stupid comment. Bradley was outstanding for Derry on a consistent basis. One standout game was where he nearly beat Dublin on his own in an AI qf, one of the greatest individual displays I witnessed. Along with Muldoon he was also fantastic when Derry played Kerry in the 04 sf. Bradley didn't get too far with Derry as they just didn't have the players around him but he was an extraordinary talent.

Third all time top scorer in the Ulster Championship in a period where Ulster returned three different AI champions, another who were runners up and two other counties who reached a semi final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Bomber Destro, jesus you're wired up white and red to the hilt.

How many big games did Canavan win for Tyrone between 1997 and 2000, when he should have been at the absolute peak of his powers? The answer is none. You'll no doubt put this down to injuries (while ignoring Gooch's cruciate of 2013) and teammates (while ignoring that Kerry have been a patchwork quilt of team for the past few years, with a walking black card at full-back, no presence at 6, no passing ability in their half-forward line, and reliant on a group of old men to carry them through).

Canavan was a consistent big game player even in defeat. Tyrone were utterly reliant on him and the opposition knew it for the majority of his career.
And he was consistently kept scoreless by McKeever, Lockhart and McNulty in these big games you keep talking about. Don't confuse being a reliable free-taker with being an influence on open play.

Look, I'm not denigrating Canavan at all - he's a genuine all-time great - but you seem hell bent on rewriting history to the tune that when it matters Canavan always delivered and Gooch always failed to. Which is utter nonsense, and suggests that due to your blinkered love of all things Tyrone, you are incapable of objective assessment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 21, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Bomber Destro, jesus you're wired up white and red to the hilt.

How many big games did Canavan win for Tyrone between 1997 and 2000, when he should have been at the absolute peak of his powers? The answer is none. You'll no doubt put this down to injuries (while ignoring Gooch's cruciate of 2013) and teammates (while ignoring that Kerry have been a patchwork quilt of team for the past few years, with a walking black card at full-back, no presence at 6, no passing ability in their half-forward line, and reliant on a group of old men to carry them through).

Canavan was a consistent big game player even in defeat. Tyrone were utterly reliant on him and the opposition knew it for the majority of his career.
And he was consistently kept scoreless by McKeever, Lockhart and McNulty in these big games you keep talking about. Don't confuse being a reliable free-taker with being an influence on open play.

Look, I'm not denigrating Canavan at all - he's a genuine all-time great - but you seem hell bent on rewriting history to the tune that when it matters Canavan always delivered and Gooch always failed to. Which is utter nonsense, and suggests that due to your blinkered love of all things Tyrone, you are incapable of objective assessment.

Prove it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: dferg on September 21, 2015, 10:40:28 AM
Joe Brolly is a bully.  Even if Colm Cooper wasn't a great player there is no need make it personal and single out 1 player when Kerry have a bad game.  You wouldn't see it happen in the hurling championship.

For what it's worth.

Dr Crokes lost an All Ireland replay to Crossmaglen and were favourites to win the All Ireland when Cooper done his cruciate against Castlebar Mitchels in the Semi final.  He has 4 All Irelands, 4 National Leagues, 8 All Stars.  Kerry have contested the All Ireland final in all but 4 years since he made his debut in 2002.  He is 32 now and still perhaps not quite as good as he was before he did his cruciate.  Brolly has 1 All Ireland and was known for having a bit yellow streak when he played.

So Cooper is above criticism?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 21, 2015, 10:50:46 AM
Is this thread going around in circles?

And what's it got to do with Joe brolly?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Just to bring it back to topic, Joe Brolly is a k**b!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Just to bring it back to topic, Joe Brolly is a k**b!

You're a f**king knob!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Just to bring it back to topic, Joe Brolly is a k**b!

You're a f**king knob!!


Sorry Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Just to bring it back to topic, Joe Brolly is a k**b!

You're a f**king knob!!


Sorry Joe

Sure how can I be Joe when I'm an Armagh man??!!  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2015, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Just to bring it back to topic, Joe Brolly is a k**b!

You're a f**king knob!!


Sorry Joe

Sure how can I be Joe when I'm an Armagh man??!!  ::) ::) ::)

same S**te different colour
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bcarrier on September 21, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
Some people are so blinkered when it comes to Cooper,

There are none so blind etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 21, 2015, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
Some people are so blinkered when it comes to Cooper,

Like yourself. You are in a minority of much less than one per cent if you think gooch isnt a class player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 22, 2015, 03:44:08 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 21, 2015, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 11:31:43 PM
Some people are so blinkered when it comes to Cooper,

Like yourself. You are in a minority of much less than one per cent if you think gooch isnt a class player.

Whether he is a class player or not is not the issue.

The issue is he seems to struggle to produce it when it really, really counts. I think the term flat track bully applies to him, he might have no problem shooting the lights out when he's up against sub standard opposition or when there is no pressure on him. But there is no a big trail of evidence that says he can't do it when the pressure and quality marking is there on him like other top forwards of his generation have - some playing for counties with nowhere near the quality of teammates Cooper has/had.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on September 22, 2015, 06:43:49 AM
The easy answer for those in the Pro-Gooch camp is to list the games against top 6 opposition where he has been the difference maker........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on September 22, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Saying this is a Joe Brolly thread, no wan has mentioned Joe Brolly being the best forward ever; show a bit of respect lads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 22, 2015, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 22, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Saying this is a Joe Brolly thread, no wan has mentioned Joe Brolly being the best forward ever; show a bit of respect lads.

I think the level of complete and utter bollox being spoken on this thread is a very apt tribute to the man.  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on September 22, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Gooch/Canavan/McConville/Linden all good players but put any of them in a team that is not functioning well and they all would struggle. Cut out the supply. It is a team sport and it is grossly unfair to expect one player to single-handedly pull the team over the line. What they can do is make the difference in games where teams are well matched and look like superstars when the opposition is crap, that isn't their fault though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 22, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2015, 06:43:49 AM
The easy answer for those in the Pro-Gooch camp is to list the games against top 6 opposition where he has been the difference maker........

Given that you are in the 0.01% who think he isn't a great player I think the onus is on you to try and convince the rest of us ie the vast majority. The arguments that have been given so far have been completely unconvincing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 22, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 22, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2015, 06:43:49 AM
The easy answer for those in the Pro-Gooch camp is to list the games against top 6 opposition where he has been the difference maker........

Given that you are in the 0.01% who think he isn't a great player I think the onus is on you to try and convince the rest of us ie the vast majority. The arguments that have been given so far have been completely unconvincing.

The irony is that Brolly actually holds the same opinion!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on September 22, 2015, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 22, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Gooch/Canavan/McConville/Linden all good players but put any of them in a team that is not functioning well and they all would struggle. Cut out the supply. It is a team sport and it is grossly unfair to expect one player to single-handedly pull the team over the line. What they can do is make the difference in games where teams are well matched and look like superstars when the opposition is crap, that isn't their fault though.

Well said.

Its not LeBron James or Michael Jordan in a five man basketball team we are talking about here!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on September 27, 2015, 01:50:34 PM
Bit harsh on a player coming back from a knee injury that was far worse than most cruciate injuries. On a day when the conditions were horrific, one bad slip and he and his knee could have been dunzo for good. Physically, he's just not built for the rough stuff. Still, whether he likes it or not, Cooper being so comprehensively outfought last Sunday, will have a negative impact on his overall legacy imo. 

Luckily for him, the sheer number of former Kerry players with newspaper/telly/radio gigs and a largely deferential media, will ensure that any real & objective analysis of Gooch's career will never take place. When the likes of Brolly bring it up, they'll be dismissed as cranks. Business as usual !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: Beffs on September 27, 2015, 01:50:34 PM
Bit harsh on a player coming back from a knee injury that was worse than most cruciate injuries. On a day when the conditions were horrific, one bad slip and he and his knee could have been dunzo for good. Physically, he's just not built for the rough stuff. Still, whether he likes it or not, Cooper being so comprehensively outfought last Sunday, will have a negative impact on his overall legacy imo. 

Luckily for him, the sheer number of former Kerry players with newspaper/telly/radio gigs and a largely deferential media, will ensure that any real & objective analysis of Gooch's career will never take place. When the likes of Brolly bring it up, they'll be dismissed as cranks. Business as usual !

But it's nothing new, it's just history repeating itself with Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 27, 2015, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Thats brollys opinion. Later in the article he says that Donaghy's catch from a hop ball was "impossible". That tells you all you need to know about brollys opinion and how he spins things to suit his argument.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: time ticking away on September 27, 2015, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.
I didn't realize you held Brolly's opinion in such high esteem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 03:25:18 PM
He's good for a laugh is Joe,nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-when-the-heat-is-turned-up-on-colm-cooper-he-disappears-in-adversity-he-fails-31561865.html

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.

He's only 1 player, an unbelievably good 1 but still only 1 player,anyway i don't know why i even bothered replying here again, i know you've your mind made up and i've mine made up so i'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.

He's only 1 player, an unbelievably good 1 but still only 1 player,anyway i don't know why i even bothered replying here again, i know you've your mind made up and i've mine made up so i'll leave it at that.

He's one player regarded as one of the greatest of all times. Generally I'd judge players of that reputation under those particular parameters and Cooper falls a long way short.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on September 27, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
I'd be interested in Canavan's opinion on this as Joe's so willing to name-drop him into this to back his half-brained assertions. A top forward's opinion on a top forward. Not the ramblings of a 2nd rate wannabe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on September 27, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.

He's only 1 player, an unbelievably good 1 but still only 1 player,anyway i don't know why i even bothered replying here again, i know you've your mind made up and i've mine made up so i'll leave it at that.

He's one player regarded as one of the greatest of all times. Generally I'd judge players of that reputation under those particular parameters and Cooper falls a long way short.
No he doesn't, you're talking through your ass.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 27, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: beer baron on September 27, 2015, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.

He's only 1 player, an unbelievably good 1 but still only 1 player,anyway i don't know why i even bothered replying here again, i know you've your mind made up and i've mine made up so i'll leave it at that.

He's one player regarded as one of the greatest of all times. Generally I'd judge players of that reputation under those particular parameters and Cooper falls a long way short.
No he doesn't, you're talking through your ass.

He does. I disagree with a lot of what Brolly says but he is bang on the money when it comes to Cooper. It's easy to look good when the opposition allow you to but when things have gone to the melting pot Cooper has been found wanting, time after time after time again.

When you're in bother you look to your big players to dig you out of a hole and not only is Gooch regarded as one of Kerry's best or his generation's best but he is also talked about in all time greatness. Great players don't disappear like Cooper does when his team need him, consistently.

Great players do it when it really matters, Cooper is grand when things are going well and when he is allowed play or up against poor opposition but not when his team need him when in bother. Great players, great forwards can feed off the scraps. Cooper can't.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 27, 2015, 09:35:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 27, 2015, 09:22:35 PM
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Brolly on Cooper today:

"when the heat is turned up, he disappears."

"In adversity, he fails."

"If Philly McMahon had tried that stuff with wee Peter (Canavan) he would have been waking up next morning with a very sore face and probably about 1-03 scored off him."

Is there a reason you're repeatedly bringing this up? You don't feel Cooper is amongst the greats, many would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, as is Brolly. However, you've made this point already as has Brolly so it's pointless doing so over and over again.

I'd like people to stop denying the holocaust and saying Cooper is a great when the evidence points other ways. Great players are the ones who do it when it really really matters, Cooper has throughout his career been shown to be a flat track bully but is given some revered and untouchable status by the GAA press.

Brolly is the only journalist to tackle this portrayal and was met with extreme hostility for expressing it. Time has vindicated him even further.

It's opinions and that's all your's is, or perish the thought, even Joe's. Lots of people view Cooper a better player than you do so perhaps it's time you just left it at that?

There's a body of evidence there that shows Cooper doesn't deliver when the pressure is on. Cooper may just be the greatest flat track bully ever but he's a good bit off a real great.

You are very selective in what you call pressure though because there's a large body of evidence to suggest he does produce in pressure situations,nothing more high pressure than an All Ireland final and he's been the star in them. But just ignore that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

And Cooper has now lost more than he has won.

He's only 1 player, an unbelievably good 1 but still only 1 player,anyway i don't know why i even bothered replying here again, i know you've your mind made up and i've mine made up so i'll leave it at that.

He's one player regarded as one of the greatest of all times. Generally I'd judge players of that reputation under those particular parameters and Cooper falls a long way short.
No he doesn't, you're talking through your ass.

He does. I disagree with a lot of what Brolly says but he is bang on the money when it comes to Cooper. It's easy to look good when the opposition allow you to but when things have gone to the melting pot Cooper has been found wanting, time after time after time again.

When you're in bother you look to your big players to dig you out of a hole and not only is Gooch regarded as one of Kerry's best or his generation's best but he is also talked about in all time greatness. Great players don't disappear like Cooper does when his team need him, consistently.

Great players do it when it really matters, Cooper is grand when things are going well and when he is allowed play or up against poor opposition but not when his team need him when in bother. Great players, great forwards can feed off the scraps. Cooper can't.

yawn, yawn, yawn
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ranga on September 28, 2015, 02:04:28 PM
Cooper is class, Brolly is not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 28, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Is Bomber Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on September 28, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

so every final he has been in and lost is his fault?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 28, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

so every final he has been in and lost is his fault?

I didn't say that. He underperformed in more finals than he has performed, even more so when you judge him under the parameters of a great player or an all time great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

What is your definition of failure?

Not scoring? (he only failed to score in one final)
Not scoring from play? (he only failed to score from play in two finals (out of 9!) And one of those finals, kerry won!)
Not scoring enough? (He has scored 2 points or less in only 2 finals. In the other 7 finals he has played in he has scored at least 5 points (1-2))
Not scoring enough when kerry lose? (In the 5 losing finals he has scored 0-2 (as a 19yr old), 0-5, 0-6, 1-3 and 0-0(on returning from cruciate injury)).
Not scoring enough from play? (in 3 of the 5 finals he has lost he has scored at least 0-3 from play)

So i'm curious as to what exactly you would have wanted him to do to avoid being the 'failure' you claim him to be!

I don't think anyone is denying that he has never played a bad match, and you are entitled to your opinion the same way everyone else is, but i completely disagree with you (and I'm entitled to my opinion too!)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ranga on September 28, 2015, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

What is your definition of failure?

Not scoring? (he only failed to score in one final)
Not scoring from play? (he only failed to score from play in two finals (out of 9!) And one of those finals, kerry won!)
Not scoring enough? (He has scored 2 points or less in only 2 finals. In the other 7 finals he has played in he has scored at least 5 points (1-2))
Not scoring enough when kerry lose? (In the 5 losing finals he has scored 0-2 (as a 19yr old), 0-5, 0-6, 1-3 and 0-0(on returning from cruciate injury)).
Not scoring enough from play? (in 3 of the 5 finals he has lost he has scored at least 0-3 from play)

So i'm curious as to what exactly you would have wanted him to do to avoid being the 'failure' you claim him to be!

I don't think anyone is denying that he has never played a bad match, and you are entitled to your opinion the same way everyone else is, but i completely disagree with you (and I'm entitled to my opinion too!)

Game, set and match.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

What is your definition of failure?

Not scoring? (he only failed to score in one final)
Not scoring from play? (he only failed to score from play in two finals (out of 9!) And one of those finals, kerry won!)
Not scoring enough? (He has scored 2 points or less in only 2 finals. In the other 7 finals he has played in he has scored at least 5 points (1-2))
Not scoring enough when kerry lose? (In the 5 losing finals he has scored 0-2 (as a 19yr old), 0-5, 0-6, 1-3 and 0-0(on returning from cruciate injury)).
Not scoring enough from play? (in 3 of the 5 finals he has lost he has scored at least 0-3 from play)

So i'm curious as to what exactly you would have wanted him to do to avoid being the 'failure' you claim him to be!

I don't think anyone is denying that he has never played a bad match, and you are entitled to your opinion the same way everyone else is, but i completely disagree with you (and I'm entitled to my opinion too!)

Be the best or one of the top performers on the pitch but time and time again in big games when they really need him he doesn't want to know about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 04:36:04 PM
Would you stop being ridiculous. 'doesn't want to know'. For jaysus sake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on September 28, 2015, 04:43:12 PM
Regarding his matches against Tyrone at least:

03 - few flashes off brilliance but was young and Kerry were over ran that day
05 - played very well.
08 - few flashes off brilliance, looked to have the beating of the defenders  but bizarrely not used properly due to Kerry's insistence on the twin tower route. Where was Donaghy that day? If he is not a bottler

Would also have to look at '13 against Dublin when the pressure was on and he was brilliant

Just cos he was on the losing team doesnt equate to him going missing, class player, great attitude. Total legend!

Brolly's a slabber, he likes to feed his ego and prove himself right. Unfortunately to prove himself right he has to ignore that facts that prove him wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

What is your definition of failure?

Not scoring? (he only failed to score in one final)
Not scoring from play? (he only failed to score from play in two finals (out of 9!) And one of those finals, kerry won!)
Not scoring enough? (He has scored 2 points or less in only 2 finals. In the other 7 finals he has played in he has scored at least 5 points (1-2))
Not scoring enough when kerry lose? (In the 5 losing finals he has scored 0-2 (as a 19yr old), 0-5, 0-6, 1-3 and 0-0(on returning from cruciate injury)).
Not scoring enough from play? (in 3 of the 5 finals he has lost he has scored at least 0-3 from play)

So i'm curious as to what exactly you would have wanted him to do to avoid being the 'failure' you claim him to be!

I don't think anyone is denying that he has never played a bad match, and you are entitled to your opinion the same way everyone else is, but i completely disagree with you (and I'm entitled to my opinion too!)

Be the best or one of the top performers on the pitch but time and time again in big games when they really need him he doesn't want to know about it.

Your argument is getting more and more ridiculous with each post.

Gooch was top scorer from play for kerry in 3 of the 5 finals they lost!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2015, 04:43:12 PM
Regarding his matches against Tyrone at least:

03 - few flashes off brilliance but was young and Kerry were over ran that day
05 - played very well.
08 - few flashes off brilliance, looked to have the beating of the defenders  but bizarrely not used properly due to Kerry's insistence on the twin tower route. Where was Donaghy that day? If he is not a bottler

Would also have to look at '13 against Dublin when the pressure was on and he was brilliant

Just cos he was on the losing team doesnt equate to him going missing, class player, great attitude. Total legend!

Brolly's a slabber, he likes to feed his ego and prove himself right. Unfortunately to prove himself right he has to ignore that facts that prove him wrong.

Context is important here. We're talking about a player who is meant to be the best in the country and an all time great. Being decent or ok simply doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: getevennotcross on September 28, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Just ignore J. Bro**y for goodness sake, he's the Derry and Ulster embarrassment next to M. H**te. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 28, 2015, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on September 28, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Just ignore J. Bro**y for goodness sake, he's the Derry and Ulster embarrassment next to M. H**te.

Even after your edit the last bit still doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
You seem to have a real bitterness against gooch.

He's a great and the vast majority of us think that. Those who don't are in the minority.

One bad match does not make him a bad player!

(You were provided stats on other ai final losses but seemed to ignore them)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: time ticking away on September 28, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
Bomber if we all agreed with you would you just stop
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
You seem to have a real bitterness against gooch.

He's a great and the vast majority of us think that. Those who don't are in the minority.

One bad match does not make him a bad player!

(You were provided stats on other ai final losses but seemed to ignore them)

As I said, the games where Cork and Mayo turned up to have their bellies tickled do not fall into this remit. It's not one bad game, it's history repeating itself with Cooper. It's another disappearing act he has done when they need him to be leading the charge and he doesn't want to know about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on September 28, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
Bomber if we all agreed with you would you just stop

Yes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 28, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Can we all agree that Cooper is a class bottler,  the greatest bottler to ever play the game? Seems like a fair compromise.

You can agree to that. The rest of us will agree that he is one of the best forwards in the modern era, a great forward who has lit up and won many big games.

Read the stats. You have seen a bad game and thought all the ones they got beat in were like that. They weren't.

Or a player who has failed in more All Ireland finals than he has excelled in.

What is your definition of failure?

Not scoring? (he only failed to score in one final)
Not scoring from play? (he only failed to score from play in two finals (out of 9!) And one of those finals, kerry won!)
Not scoring enough? (He has scored 2 points or less in only 2 finals. In the other 7 finals he has played in he has scored at least 5 points (1-2))
Not scoring enough when kerry lose? (In the 5 losing finals he has scored 0-2 (as a 19yr old), 0-5, 0-6, 1-3 and 0-0(on returning from cruciate injury)).
Not scoring enough from play? (in 3 of the 5 finals he has lost he has scored at least 0-3 from play)

So i'm curious as to what exactly you would have wanted him to do to avoid being the 'failure' you claim him to be!

I don't think anyone is denying that he has never played a bad match, and you are entitled to your opinion the same way everyone else is, but i completely disagree with you (and I'm entitled to my opinion too!)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on September 28, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
Bomber if we all agreed with you would you just stop

Yes.
And would you also just go away?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on September 28, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
A cheap shot from brolly who I generally like .  He is a man of many contradictions .  He generally talks about the GAA losing its values etc and then calls players chokers etc . 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 12:33:19 AM
Il Bomber Destro.

I cannot stand Kerry, but its a complete myth that he doesn't show up in big games. He was terrible last week. But in the 2005 and 2008 finals he was actually Kerry's best player. Watch it back. Check how much he scored, from play and from frees. As he was in the losing 2011 final.

You are nothing but a vile cretin anyway so I shouldn't pay you that much attention. Just think it says a lot when a Kerry hater feels the need to defend absolute tripe from attention seekers like you.

By the way, I'll give you partial credit for mentioning the 2006 match against Armagh. Cooper was ineffective all that year after taking the death of his father extremely badly. But I suppose the greats block out their feelings, eh Bomber, you true gael!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on September 29, 2015, 03:21:34 AM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 12:33:19 AM
Il Bomber Destro.

I cannot stand Kerry, but its a complete myth that he doesn't show up in big games. He was terrible last week. But in the 2005 and 2008 finals he was actually Kerry's best player. Watch it back. Check how much he scored, from play and from frees. As he was in the losing 2011 final.

You are nothing but a vile cretin anyway so I shouldn't pay you that much attention. Just think it says a lot when a Kerry hater feels the need to defend absolute tripe from attention seekers like you.

By the way, I'll give you partial credit for mentioning the 2006 match against Armagh. Cooper was ineffective all that year after taking the death of his father extremely badly. But I suppose the greats block out their feelings, eh Bomber, you true gael!

I dont disagree with you on this Darby but considering your post contribution to date your in no position to be calling anyone a cretin
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

I'm digging no hole but you're the one trying to rewrite history. Darragh O'Se was one of the players who would lead the charge to Tyrone in those games, who knows, maybe if Kerry had more players with his mentality they might have beaten Tyrone in that time period.

Where you play is not an excuse, Gooch didn't want to know about it, there was plenty of ball going into him in that game but he was just getting eaten alive as were most of the Kerry players, the difference being that he is put up on a pedestal high above every other Kerry player and player of his generation. He is the ultimate luxury player, great player to have on your team when you can dominate opposition who will allow you play, otherwise a passenger. The great forward can feed and triumph on scraps. Just look at the performances of Conor McManus for proof of that this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 29, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
You seem to have a real bitterness against gooch.

He's a great and the vast majority of us think that. Those who don't are in the minority.

One bad match does not make him a bad player!

(You were provided stats on other ai final losses but seemed to ignore them)

As I said, the games where Cork and Mayo turned up to have their bellies tickled do not fall into this remit. It's not one bad game, it's history repeating itself with Cooper. It's another disappearing act he has done when they need him to be leading the charge and he doesn't want to know about it.

Still ignoring the facts about the losing finals he played in, I see.

I have no problem with you having a different opinion to me. That's fine.

But I do have a problem with you ignoring the facts/stats.

You say that gooch disappeared in the big games when kerry needed him? Yet the facts say that in 3 of the 5 finals he lost he was top scorer from play for kerry!

Now if you considering scoring at least 0-3 from play and being top scorer from play for your team as disappearing then you must think that there has NEVER been a player ANYWHERE that hasn't disappeared.

As a matter of interest, do you consider Peter Canavan as a great? Do you think he ever 'disappeared' in a big game for Tyrone? 0-1 from play in his first final, 0-0 from play in his second final and 1-1 from play in his 3rd final!
Or does gooch have to meet higher criteria than everyone else?





Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

I'm digging no hole but you're the one trying to rewrite history. Darragh O'Se was one of the players who would lead the charge to Tyrone in those games, who knows, maybe if Kerry had more players with his mentality they might have beaten Tyrone in that time period.

Where you play is not an excuse, Gooch didn't want to know about it, there was plenty of ball going into him in that game but he was just getting eaten alive as were most of the Kerry players, the difference being that he is put up on a pedestal high above every other Kerry player and player of his generation. He is the ultimate luxury player, great player to have on your team when you can dominate opposition who will allow you play, otherwise a passenger. The great forward can feed and triumph on scraps. Just look at the performances of Conor McManus for proof of that this year.

Your main bone of contention against Gooch is that he has lost more all Ireland finals than he has won and you seem to suggest these are the only big games he played in. He was superb in many Munster finals against good Cork teams and also many all Ireland quarters and finals. You then say canavan was a great but his performances in all Ireland finals don't stand up to scrutiny. In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw. In 2003 again he didn't score from play, only scoring a few handy frees. In 2005 he only scored 1.1 out of 1.16, hardly a match winning contribution. I may or may not agree with what I've just written but those are facts which I could use to present a case that canavan was just an ordinary player if you just base your criteria on just all Ireland finals.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

I'm digging no hole but you're the one trying to rewrite history. Darragh O'Se was one of the players who would lead the charge to Tyrone in those games, who knows, maybe if Kerry had more players with his mentality they might have beaten Tyrone in that time period.

Where you play is not an excuse, Gooch didn't want to know about it, there was plenty of ball going into him in that game but he was just getting eaten alive as were most of the Kerry players, the difference being that he is put up on a pedestal high above every other Kerry player and player of his generation. He is the ultimate luxury player, great player to have on your team when you can dominate opposition who will allow you play, otherwise a passenger. The great forward can feed and triumph on scraps. Just look at the performances of Conor McManus for proof of that this year.

Your main bone of contention against Gooch is that he has lost more all Ireland finals than he has won and you seem to suggest these are the only big games he played in. He was superb in many Munster finals against good Cork teams and also many all Ireland quarters and finals. You then say canavan was a great but his performances in all Ireland finals don't stand up to scrutiny. In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw. In 2003 again he didn't score from play, only scoring a few handy frees. In 2005 he only scored 1.1 out of 1.16, hardly a match winning contribution. I may or may not agree with what I've just written but those are facts which I could use to present a case that canavan was just an ordinary player if you just base your criteria on just all Ireland finals.

He must save all his big performances for Cork and Mayo so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 29, 2015, 09:55:06 AM
This has to be one of the wackiest threads ever.  Bomber's picnic is missing a sandwich or 2.

Gooch not an all time great... Hogwash!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 29, 2015, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
You seem to have a real bitterness against gooch.

He's a great and the vast majority of us think that. Those who don't are in the minority.

One bad match does not make him a bad player!

(You were provided stats on other ai final losses but seemed to ignore them)

As I said, the games where Cork and Mayo turned up to have their bellies tickled do not fall into this remit. It's not one bad game, it's history repeating itself with Cooper. It's another disappearing act he has done when they need him to be leading the charge and he doesn't want to know about it.

Still ignoring the facts about the losing finals he played in, I see.

I have no problem with you having a different opinion to me. That's fine.

But I do have a problem with you ignoring the facts/stats.

You say that gooch disappeared in the big games when kerry needed him? Yet the facts say that in 3 of the 5 finals he lost he was top scorer from play for kerry!

Now if you considering scoring at least 0-3 from play and being top scorer from play for your team as disappearing then you must think that there has NEVER been a player ANYWHERE that hasn't disappeared.

As a matter of interest, do you consider Peter Canavan as a great? Do you think he ever 'disappeared' in a big game for Tyrone? 0-1 from play in his first final, 0-0 from play in his second final and 1-1 from play in his 3rd final!
Or does gooch have to meet higher criteria than everyone else?

Any response Bomber? You've had two replies since I posted this and you have still ignored these facts which go against your argument.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 29, 2015, 10:00:04 AM
Can everyone not agree to disagree with Il Bomber on the Gooch thing at this stage?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.

He's not meant to be the best player in the game - he's meant to be one of them.

Please provide a list of games he failed in.

Has the fella done something to offend you??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 29, 2015, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

I'm digging no hole but you're the one trying to rewrite history. Darragh O'Se was one of the players who would lead the charge to Tyrone in those games, who knows, maybe if Kerry had more players with his mentality they might have beaten Tyrone in that time period.

Where you play is not an excuse, Gooch didn't want to know about it, there was plenty of ball going into him in that game but he was just getting eaten alive as were most of the Kerry players, the difference being that he is put up on a pedestal high above every other Kerry player and player of his generation. He is the ultimate luxury player, great player to have on your team when you can dominate opposition who will allow you play, otherwise a passenger. The great forward can feed and triumph on scraps. Just look at the performances of Conor McManus for proof of that this year.

Your main bone of contention against Gooch is that he has lost more all Ireland finals than he has won and you seem to suggest these are the only big games he played in. He was superb in many Munster finals against good Cork teams and also many all Ireland quarters and finals. You then say canavan was a great but his performances in all Ireland finals don't stand up to scrutiny. In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw. In 2003 again he didn't score from play, only scoring a few handy frees. In 2005 he only scored 1.1 out of 1.16, hardly a match winning contribution. I may or may not agree with what I've just written but those are facts which I could use to present a case that canavan was just an ordinary player if you just base your criteria on just all Ireland finals.

He must save all his big performances for Cork and Mayo so.

Just like Canavan must've saved his for Cavan and Fermanagh because he didn't really do it on the all Ireland stage. And what about McManus? I can't remember too many great performances from him on all Ireland final day or even all that often in croke park. Again I'm just using the criteria which you use as the stick to beat Gooch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.

He's not meant to be the best player in the game - he's meant to be one of them.

Please provide a list of games he failed in.

Has the fella done something to offend you??

But he is meant to be the best player of the past 15 years.

Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15
Dublin 15
Armagh 03 and 06
Derry 04
Monaghan 07 and 08
Cork 09
Down 10
Donegal 12


He also completely faded out of games against Dublin in 11 and 13 when the pressure cranked up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 29, 2015, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.

He's not meant to be the best player in the game - he's meant to be one of them.

Please provide a list of games he failed in.

Has the fella done something to offend you??

But he is meant to be the best player of the past 15 years.

Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15
Dublin 15
Armagh 03 and 06
Derry 04
Monaghan 07 and 08
Cork 09
Down 10
Donegal 12


He also completely faded out of games against Dublin in 11 and 13 when the pressure cranked up.

Provide us with the stats for those games and also answer the questions about canavan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 29, 2015, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
I find this debate about a class footballer who has came up against the best defenders on the team on a consistent basis slightly disconcerting.  Gooch is a class act and its great to see him back from injury, but like all footballers of course he can be marked. Nobody disputes Moynihan or Darraghs greatness but they were marked well too some days.

I can't agree at all. Gooch is meant to be one of the greats but if he was then he would have turned it on when he was absolutely needed too. I don't subscribe to the excuses being made for him, they are not valid. He played in a fantastic team, a team so good that you could not afford overt attention to just one player for fear of another one stepping up and doing it. He's done it throughout his career. Just imagine he was on the Derry team Paddy Bradley was on or the Monaghan team Conor McManus is currently on, imagine the kind of attention he would come in for then. He's meant to be an all time great and you're excusing him about having to deal with the best defenders. The thing about Bradley and McManus was that even with all the attention they received and the utter reliance their teams heaved on them, they rarely let their team down. Gooch has on the big occasion and once again it's the context of him being a great player.

A great player will pull their team with them screaming and dragging when the chips are down. You think of performances like Canavan delivered in his career time and time again in close games where he made the difference, you think of guys like Padraig Joyce in 98, Stevie McDonnell in his pomp for Armagh. For Kerry the players that really stood out for me in this regard were Darragh and Tomas O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan, these were the guys who always seemed to bring the charge to Tyrone when we played them. Cooper was just a peripheral figure as he was in the other big games mentioned. I remember him not getting a touch against Monaghan in the two games they played against him in the late 00s, those were two very close and tight games which went to the wire. Even against Armagh in 2006, which for my money was Kerry's biggest result in the 00s, Cooper was a peripheral figure as Donaghy and Darragh O'Se inspired Kerry to victory.

A great player will, irrespective of where he plays, stamp his authority on the game, particularly when he played on such a good and talented team like Kerry have been throughout his career.

Cooper can be a great player when he's up against inferior opposition and let play but when the pressure is on he has crumbled. There's no real case for arguing otherwise, last week was another prime example of history repeating itself yet people still don't want to be honest about Cooper.

It's funny that you bring up Darragh. Maybe the best midfielder of the last two generations. But if he ever showed up in a battle against Kevin Hughes, I never saw it.

I'm quite content that Darragh is an all time great. But it's a bit odd that that you use different agenda to assess him and Cooper.

I'm not using a different agenda, Darragh O'Se, unlike Cooper, turned up for the big games.

So those "team of the noughties" finals weren't big games?

I don't know Darragh O Se from Adam, but it comes across quite clearly from his media work that he'd happily have traded any two of his Celtic Crosses for a single AI victory against Tyrone.

And him, being a midfielder before the days of "possession restarts" was actually someone who could genuinely influence every single match he played in. Corner forwards don't have that luxury. If their midfield was cleaned out it didn't matter what they did.

Ffs stop digging this hole.

I'm digging no hole but you're the one trying to rewrite history. Darragh O'Se was one of the players who would lead the charge to Tyrone in those games, who knows, maybe if Kerry had more players with his mentality they might have beaten Tyrone in that time period.

Where you play is not an excuse, Gooch didn't want to know about it, there was plenty of ball going into him in that game but he was just getting eaten alive as were most of the Kerry players, the difference being that he is put up on a pedestal high above every other Kerry player and player of his generation. He is the ultimate luxury player, great player to have on your team when you can dominate opposition who will allow you play, otherwise a passenger. The great forward can feed and triumph on scraps. Just look at the performances of Conor McManus for proof of that this year.

Your main bone of contention against Gooch is that he has lost more all Ireland finals than he has won and you seem to suggest these are the only big games he played in. He was superb in many Munster finals against good Cork teams and also many all Ireland quarters and finals. You then say canavan was a great but his performances in all Ireland finals don't stand up to scrutiny. In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw. In 2003 again he didn't score from play, only scoring a few handy frees. In 2005 he only scored 1.1 out of 1.16, hardly a match winning contribution. I may or may not agree with what I've just written but those are facts which I could use to present a case that canavan was just an ordinary player if you just base your criteria on just all Ireland finals.

He must save all his big performances for Cork and Mayo so.

Just like Canavan must've saved his for Cavan and Fermanagh because he didn't really do it on the all Ireland stage. And what about McManus? I can't remember too many great performances from him on all Ireland final day or even all that often in croke park. Again I'm just using the criteria which you use as the stick to beat Gooch.

;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 29, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.

He's not meant to be the best player in the game - he's meant to be one of them.

Please provide a list of games he failed in.

Has the fella done something to offend you??

But he is meant to be the best player of the past 15 years.

Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15
Dublin 15
Armagh 03 and 06
Derry 04
Monaghan 07 and 08
Cork 09
Down 10
Donegal 12


He also completely faded out of games against Dublin in 11 and 13 when the pressure cranked up.

15 games off the top of your head  ;D

you cant just go through the years and type in Kerry's opposition at Croke Pk. The Gooch scored a reck that day and had a fine game. Himself and Tomás were the difference imo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on September 29, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
Every time i read a post by Bomber in this thread.for some reason I'm reminded of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on September 29, 2015, 11:21:16 AM
Is Il Bomber the new Tony?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
I know that in 2005 an injury ravaged Canavan who was on the verge of retirement in his mid 30s was decisive for Tyrone in a closely fought Alll Ireland final with Kerry.

Canavan was the man for the big occasion,  a true great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 29, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2015, 11:28:51 AM
Are you annoyed because some people think Cooper was better than Canavan? Is that the issue here?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 29, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

I think canavan was a great player. I'm just using il bomber's twisted logic to show that you can provide an argument that any player wasn't great. Canavan only scored one point from play in 95 when tyrone needed him most. That's the kind of comment il bomber is using against gooch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 29, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

I think canavan was a great player. I'm just using il bomber's twisted logic to show that you can provide an argument that any player wasn't great. Canavan only scored one point from play in 95 when tyrone needed him most. That's the kind of comment il bomber is using against gooch.

Be careful Lenny, you're in danger of backing up Bomber's point with your own nonsense! They needed him in 03 when half crippled and he delivered with 5 important frees. They needed him on 05 and he delivered again with the decisive goal and inspirational point at a vital time!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 29, 2015, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.

If I wanted a player to do the business when it really mattered I'd have Donachy.

If I wanted a player to destroy the little teams then I'd have Cooper, the best flat track bully in the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 29, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
Fair play Bomber, you got good mileage out of this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on September 29, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 29, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2015, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 29, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.

If I wanted a player to do the business when it really mattered I'd have Donachy.

If I wanted a player to destroy the little teams then I'd have Cooper, the best flat track bully in the game.

OK. you win! I give up!

I completely disagree with your opinion of cooper, but the fact that you would have Donaghy ahead of cooper tells me all I need to know.
As I said, I now have nothing more to add to this topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 29, 2015, 03:21:34 AM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 12:33:19 AM
Il Bomber Destro.

I cannot stand Kerry, but its a complete myth that he doesn't show up in big games. He was terrible last week. But in the 2005 and 2008 finals he was actually Kerry's best player. Watch it back. Check how much he scored, from play and from frees. As he was in the losing 2011 final.

You are nothing but a vile cretin anyway so I shouldn't pay you that much attention. Just think it says a lot when a Kerry hater feels the need to defend absolute tripe from attention seekers like you.

By the way, I'll give you partial credit for mentioning the 2006 match against Armagh. Cooper was ineffective all that year after taking the death of his father extremely badly. But I suppose the greats block out their feelings, eh Bomber, you true gael!

I dont disagree with you on this Darby but considering your post contribution to date your in no position to be calling anyone a cretin
I like to have fun. I think Il Bomber is actually serious like.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Only 0-3 from play? Okay then, he didn't have a great game I suppose then. Especially seeing as Bradley and Muldoon outscored him. Safe to say he had a really, really bad game then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Only 0-3 from play? Okay then, he didn't have a great game I suppose then. Especially seeing as Bradley and Muldoon outscored him. Safe to say he had a really, really bad game then.

Cooper should be judged under different standards to others. He's the guy who we are told us the greatest forward of his generation. There are a good 6 or 7 forwards playing in Ulster alone in his era I'd have ahead of him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Bomber - you've overtaken Fearon as the worst poster on this place.

Just take a second to think about that 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Only 0-3 from play? Okay then, he didn't have a great game I suppose then. Especially seeing as Bradley and Muldoon outscored him. Safe to say he had a really, really bad game then.

Cooper should be judged under different standards to others. He's the guy who we are told us the greatest forward of his generation. There are a good 6 or 7 forwards playing in Ulster alone in his era I'd have ahead of him.
He is the greatest forward of his generation. Greatest forward I've seen. He played very well in a lot of the games you're peddling as bad performances. He was surrounded by great Kerry players in a lot of those matches, and still stood out as their best player in a lot of them. You're saying he's not even a great footballer. You think Donaghy's great. You know very little about football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2015, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Bomber - you've overtaken Fearon as the worst poster on this place.

Just take a second to think about that

To be fair Fearon has his moments when he's entertaining. This is just painful.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on September 29, 2015, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Bomber - you've overtaken Fearon as the worst poster on this place.

Just take a second to think about that

Its yourselves giving him fuel and even tho I think he's way of the mark he's entitled to his deluded opinion in spite of the facts.

But the similarities with Fearon dont end there because now the odd one out bullyboy stuff starts...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Only 0-3 from play? Okay then, he didn't have a great game I suppose then. Especially seeing as Bradley and Muldoon outscored him. Safe to say he had a really, really bad game then.

Cooper should be judged under different standards to others. He's the guy who we are told us the greatest forward of his generation. There are a good 6 or 7 forwards playing in Ulster alone in his era I'd have ahead of him.
He is the greatest forward of his generation. Greatest forward I've seen. He played very well in a lot of the games you're peddling as bad performances. He was surrounded by great Kerry players in a lot of those matches, and still stood out as their best player in a lot of them. You're saying he's not even a great footballer. You think Donaghy's great. You know very little about football.

Great forwards do it when it really, really matters. Donaghy generally did it when they needed him, look at how he won them an All Ireland last year. Cooper just collapses when the pressure come round.

A great flat track bully but not a great player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rodman on September 29, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
While we all agree that Il Bomber is talking nonsense, it is strange that Gooch has never won player of the year. So for the past 14 years, in a period where Kerry were consistently dining at the top table, the Gooch was never deemed to be the stand out player in any of those years, yet many of us consider him to be the best footballer during that period....now go work that one out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 29, 2015, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Bomber - you've overtaken Fearon as the worst poster on this place.

Just take a second to think about that

Its yourselves giving him fuel and even tho I think he's way of the mark he's entitled to his deluded opinion in spite of the facts.

But the similarities with Fearon dont end there because now the odd one out bullyboy stuff starts...
You do realise completely disagreeing with someone isn't bullying?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 29, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Bomber - you've overtaken Fearon as the worst poster on this place.

Just take a second to think about that

That's below the belt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mouview on September 29, 2015, 09:33:40 PM
Jeez, poor old Gooch turning out to be the new Joe Canning, and just as maligned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 29, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
Is he maligned? It's one person on here and Joe Brolly who are throwing this nonsense at him, hardly a full scale assault. I'm sure he'll not lose too much sleep over this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on September 29, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.

Nice little side step and misuse of the stats. Muldoon scored 1-1 that day inside the first 15 odd minutes, he didn't score for the rest of the game. Bradley (one of the forwards you keep comparing Cooper to) scored 0-5 from play + 1 free. Two of those Bradley pts came in the last 5mins when Kerry had all but packed up and headed back down the road. Derry scored the last 5pts in that match. Kerry were 11pts up at that stage. Derry failed to score for about 30mins in that match. Something that Bradley should not have allowed to happen. He should have been grabbing that game by the scruff and kick Derry into the final. That's not to mention the three or more handy frees that he missed. Those scores would have kept us ticking, but nevermind Paddy and Enda had better games than Cooper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on September 29, 2015, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
Is he maligned? It's one person on here and Joe Brolly who are throwing this nonsense at him, hardly a full scale assault. I'm sure he'll not lose too much sleep over this.

Anyone beginning to think that il bomber destro might actually be the bould Joseph B?

It's the kind of thing that strikes me might well amuse Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Darby on September 29, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: Darby on September 29, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 29, 2015, 10:40:45 AM
Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15: Did not play well in 03, not bad in 15. Was Kerry's best player in 05 and 08 finals. In 05 he scored 0-5 and set up a goal. In 2008 he scored 0-6 (0-3 from play)
Dublin 15: Played terrible
Armagh 02 and 06: Played bad in 02 and in 06 he was only average, largely due to a lost season following his father's passing.
Derry 04: Best player on the field, scintillating. Scored 0-6, 0-5 from play.
Monaghan 07 and 08: Poor in 08. Very good in 07.
Cork 09: Played well. Scored 6 frees.
Down 10: By far Kerry's best player. Scored 0-7, 0-2 from play.
Donegal 12: Average

Poorish examples to be honest as I've highlighted above. I know you'll ignore though.

Cooper only scored three from play against Derry in 04 and was outscored in that particular area by both Paddy Bradley and Enda Muldoon who were feeding on scraps.
Only 0-3 from play? Okay then, he didn't have a great game I suppose then. Especially seeing as Bradley and Muldoon outscored him. Safe to say he had a really, really bad game then.

Cooper should be judged under different standards to others. He's the guy who we are told us the greatest forward of his generation. There are a good 6 or 7 forwards playing in Ulster alone in his era I'd have ahead of him.
He is the greatest forward of his generation. Greatest forward I've seen. He played very well in a lot of the games you're peddling as bad performances. He was surrounded by great Kerry players in a lot of those matches, and still stood out as their best player in a lot of them. You're saying he's not even a great footballer. You think Donaghy's great. You know very little about football.

Great forwards do it when it really, really matters. Donaghy generally did it when they needed him, look at how he won them an All Ireland last year. Cooper just collapses when the pressure come round.

A great flat track bully but not a great player.
And as I've proven a few posts back, he has delivered in the games when the pressure comes around. Most of the games you cited as backups to what you say were games that he scored five or six points. Donaghy? An absolute pig's arse of a player.

Actual big games where Cooper didn't play well (unlike your hilariously inaccurate list)

02 v Armagh, 03 v Tyrone, 06 v Armagh (he is well known to have struggled in 06 following his father's death), 08 v Monaghan, 12 v Donegal, 15 v Dublin. 6 games in 14 seasons. Not all that bad at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on September 30, 2015, 12:57:04 AM
I was at the 2010 game v Down and it was that game more than any other that convinced me that Gooch was the best I've seen. Perfect shooting from outrageous angles and two of the greatest passes you'd ever see to put Donaghy in 1-on-1 with the keeper(keeper saved both times). That game was actually a perfect example of how good Gooch is under the toughest pressure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 30, 2015, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 30, 2015, 12:57:04 AM
I was at the 2010 game v Down and it was that game more than any other that convinced me that Gooch was the best I've seen. Perfect shooting from outrageous angles and two of the greatest passes you'd ever see to put Donaghy in 1-on-1 with the keeper(keeper saved both times). That game was actually a perfect example of how good Gooch is under the toughest pressure.

You have very low standards, Damien Rafferty had him in his pocket. Poland must be an all time great if you consider Gooch a great off the back of that medicocre display. If anything that game showed how rudderless Kerry were at that particular time without the O'Se brothers. It was also a game that Down won comfortably so I don't know how you can say Gooch performed under the toughest of pressure.

Some of you are rewriting history in order to soften the blow of you being hoodwinked by the media into worshiping a false God.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on September 30, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
I have to hand it to you Bomber, you've listed games where the Gooch underperformed only for posters to prove he, in fact, did perform in many of those games, then you've listed games where other players (mainly from Ulster I note) did perform only for posters to come on a prove they, in fact, didn't perform, at least not by the standards you're holding Cooper to. And yet you still come on here and stick to your guns. Well I can only hope that for your own mental wellbeing and the mental wellbeing of those who encounter you daily that your on the wind up as AZ suggests. I presume you are as anyone simply giving a view on Cooper would have left this on we'll agree to disagree basis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 30, 2015, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 30, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
I have to hand it to you Bomber, you've listed games where the Gooch underperformed only for posters to prove he, in fact, did perform in many of those games, then you've listed games where other players (mainly from Ulster I note) did perform only for posters to come on a prove they, in fact, didn't perform, at least not by the standards you're holding Cooper to. And yet you still come on here and stick to your guns. Well I can only hope that for your own mental wellbeing and the mental wellbeing of those who encounter you daily that your on the wind up as AZ suggests. I presume you are as anyone simply giving a view on Cooper would have left this on we'll agree to disagree basis.

You have a very low parameter for a great player if he performed in those games by your criteria.

Dessie Mone held Cooper to a point from play in two Championship games in 07 and 08.

Paddy Bradley took Mone for 2-06 from play in 2009 in Championship football and Bradley was pretty much a on man team who wasn't surrounded by top players.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 30, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Are you Paddy Bradley? That might explain it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 30, 2015, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 30, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Are you Paddy Bradley? That might explain it.

I'd be a bit embarrassed if I'd been mugged off and fully bought into the cult of Gooch too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: kerry_opinion on September 30, 2015, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 30, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Are you Paddy Bradley? That might explain it.

He is a big Francesco Totti fan as well. He seems to have a thing for star players in underperforming teams which probably explains his bitterness towards the Gooch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on September 30, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
Is there any further point to this thread? Anyone who denies that Gooch was not a first class player knows little about the sport he is commenting on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 30, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 30, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
Is there any further point to this thread? Anyone who denies that Gooch was not a first class player knows little about the sport he is commenting on.

Agreed, let's get back to talking about brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 30, 2015, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 30, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 30, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
Is there any further point to this thread? Anyone who denies that Gooch was not a first class player knows little about the sport he is commenting on.

Agreed, let's get back to talking about brolly.

boys are talking to Brolly, about the Gooch ;-)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: kerry_opinion on September 30, 2015, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 30, 2015, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 30, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 30, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
Is there any further point to this thread? Anyone who denies that Gooch was not a first class player knows little about the sport he is commenting on.

Agreed, let's get back to talking about brolly.

boys are talking to Brolly, about the Gooch ;-)

Indeed. The hero worship of a Derry man (Paddy Bradley) by a "Tyrone" man is another dead giveaway

Cmon Joe, just reveal yourself and be done with it  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ose 14 on October 02, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
joe knows more about camogie than he does about the big ball ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Line Ball on October 31, 2015, 11:15:47 PM
Joe Brolly: Players arrive in their tracksuits wearing headphones, play the game, then go home - How dull!

After winning the Cork senior hurling final last Sunday, the Glen Rovers clubhouse had the atmosphere of Russian Cossacks carousing after slaughtering a battalion of the French.

The last time I was there, it was a Friday evening some years ago and the place was jammed.

Tomás Mulcahy said, "We'll have one pint Joe."

"Ah go on ahead," I said. I woke up on Monday morning. Ever heard 300 men singing 'Come Out Ye Black and Tans'?

No celebration can compare to the winners' clubhouse after a county final. Yet even this is becoming an endangered species. There was a time when a good knees-up was par for the course after every championship game. Now, after all the other rounds, the players immerse themselves in ice baths and drink energy brews.

The fact they are as effective as urine is neither here nor there. They are a symbol that the game must be treated with the utmost gravity.

So, players often don't even use the changing room to shower anymore. They arrive in their tracksuits wearing headphones, play the game, then go home. How dull. And how unnecessary.

The morning after Edendork's triumph in the Tyrone intermediate football final a fortnight ago, I bumped into one of the players outside the court in Dungannon.

"Can you run me up to the Square Bar, Joe? I'm too drunk to drive."

Which reminds me of a yarn about a chap leaving Kavanagh's at the bottom of the Malahide Road one night after a championship match in the 1970s. As he staggered towards the door, he said, "Thank God I've the car. I'm so drunk I'd never make it up that hill."

The Edendork boys had been drinking in the clubhouse until the c**k crowed. At 11 next morning, they resumed in the Square Bar, Dungannon. Darren McCurry, aka 'The Dazzler' (a name he himself chose), was in attendance.

There are only a handful of people entitled to talk about themselves in the third person. These are Floyd Mayweather, Tyrone country and western singer Hugo Duncan, and the reigning heavyweight champion of the world. I bumped into Hugo once at a wake. He has that happy bearing of the character in Not the Nine O'Clock News who challenged random people he met to, "Punch me in the stomach, Go on, punch me in the stomach."

I said to Hugo, "How are you?"

"Hugo's doing great Joe, he's absolutely flying."

"I thought you were Hugo," I said.

He looked at me puzzled, and said "I am."

The Dazzler is a teetotaller, so at his request, the cup was filled with Fanta. No sooner had he had his sip, than it was dumped into the sink and replenished with fire-water.

When we won the All-Ireland, we arrived in Dungiven about the Tuesday. The clubhouse was thronged. At around midnight, Joe O'Neill, philosopher and owner of Joe's Bar on the Main Street, led us down the street to his west bank establishment.

When he reached the front door, he flung it open melodramatically and said, "Gentlemen. Welcome to reality." We were still there at dawn.

I remember one night not long ago after the current generation won a Derry senior hurling championship, they ran out of coal in the pub in the early hours, so the boys burned their tracksuits.

Sadly, Joe's refined sensibilities were not shared by the authorities. And so, as was inevitable, it all came to an end one fateful morning in Limavady Magistrates Court. Thankfully, the proceedings were recorded for posterity in the pages of The Mid Ulster Observer.

Prosecutor: Officer, can you tell His Worship where you went on the morning of the 7th?

Policeman: I went with a colleague to Joe's Bar on the Main Street in Dungiven.

Prosecutor: Why did you go there?

Policeman: There had been a Gaelic football match the previous day and we had reason to believe there may be late drinking going on.

Prosecutor: At what time did you enter the premises?

Policeman: Can I consult my notes Your Worship?

Judge: Did you make them at the time?

Policeman: I did Your Worship.

Judge: Yes, you may.

Policeman: We entered the establishment by the rear door, which was open, at half-past seven in the morning.

Prosecutor: Can you describe what happened?

Policeman: There were roughly a dozen people in the lounge. As we entered, I saw a gentleman sitting alone at a table close to the door, who appeared to be drinking a pint of Guinness. I asked him, 'What are you drinking sir?'

Prosecutor: And did he reply?

Policeman: He did Your Worship (consults notebook). He said, 'Thanks lads, but I'm happy enough on my own. You work away yourselves.'

Memories, memories . . .

There is always a worry about lads overdoing it, especially at this time of the year when club championships are reaching their climaxes and boys

who've been living like monks suddenly let rip. This problem of work/play balance is a chronic one in the GAA.

No wonder lads go crazy at this time of year.

They would be more careful had they ever heard Professor Jack Crane, the Northern Ireland state pathologist, giving evidence to juries about the effect of heavy alcohol intake on already dehydrated brains. This combination is very dangerous, causing the brain to swell into the skull cavity and the central nervous system to malfunction. A good trick is to drink a glass of water for every glass of alcohol.

I was reading the pen pics in the programme for the Joe Brolly Cup last weekend, which is the Derry junior football championship cup, named after my grandfather, a most fascinating man. Drum, where there are no ice baths, were playing Faughanvale. The printer obviously hadn't read the stuff sent in by the Drum lads.

Niall Farren, grinning broadly in his pic, described his best career moment as, 'The time I headbutted Conor in his stupid face'. One of the Moore boys gave his occupation as 'Taxidermist'.

My favourite though, was Niall Ferris's entry, whose biggest career influence was Chuck Norris. Now there's a man entitled to talk about himself in the third person.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2015, 11:56:55 PM
So, we don't drink enough now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on November 01, 2015, 12:21:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2015, 11:56:55 PM
So, we don't drink enough now?

It's impossible to drink enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on November 02, 2015, 08:28:59 AM
Plenty of drinking clubs masquerading as football clubs. If you mentioned drink ban in some clubs you'd be laughed out of the place.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on November 02, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
QuoteI was reading the pen pics in the programme for the Joe Brolly Cup last weekend, which is the Derry junior football championship cup, named after my grandfather, a most fascinating man. Drum, where there are no ice baths, were playing Faughanvale. The printer obviously hadn't read the stuff sent in by the Drum lads.
Niall Farren, grinning broadly in his pic, described his best career moment as, 'The time I headbutted Conor in his stupid face'. One of the Moore boys gave his occupation as 'Taxidermist'.
My favourite though, was Niall Ferris's entry, whose biggest career influence was Chuck Norris. Now there's a man entitled to talk about himself in the third person.

Michael Daragh McAuley's comment in yesterdays programme for the Dublin county final when he was asked for his most memorable GAA moment in 2015?

Winning the O'Byrne Cup with Dublin  :) :) 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on November 06, 2015, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: Declan on November 02, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
QuoteI was reading the pen pics in the programme for the Joe Brolly Cup last weekend, which is the Derry junior football championship cup, named after my grandfather, a most fascinating man. Drum, where there are no ice baths, were playing Faughanvale. The printer obviously hadn't read the stuff sent in by the Drum lads.
Niall Farren, grinning broadly in his pic, described his best career moment as, 'The time I headbutted Conor in his stupid face'. One of the Moore boys gave his occupation as 'Taxidermist'.
My favourite though, was Niall Ferris's entry, whose biggest career influence was Chuck Norris. Now there's a man entitled to talk about himself in the third person.

Winning the O'Byrne Cup with Dublin  :) :)

Jim Gavin was eulogising today about winning it at a function I was at
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on November 07, 2015, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: heffo on November 06, 2015, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: Declan on November 02, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
QuoteI was reading the pen pics in the programme for the Joe Brolly Cup last weekend, which is the Derry junior football championship cup, named after my grandfather, a most fascinating man. Drum, where there are no ice baths, were playing Faughanvale. The printer obviously hadn't read the stuff sent in by the Drum lads.
Niall Farren, grinning broadly in his pic, described his best career moment as, 'The time I headbutted Conor in his stupid face'. One of the Moore boys gave his occupation as 'Taxidermist'.
My favourite though, was Niall Ferris's entry, whose biggest career influence was Chuck Norris. Now there's a man entitled to talk about himself in the third person.

Winning the O'Byrne Cup with Dublin  :) :)

Jim Gavin was eulogising today about winning it at a function I was at

After how many bottles of wine?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on December 19, 2015, 08:36:15 PM
Joe for The Phoenix Park? Is it April 1?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/joe-brolly-for-president-dont-bet-against-gaa-legend-going-on-solo-run-34301122.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Does McNulty read the Irish Independent??

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mindfulness-gurus-put-my-bullstometer-in-overdrive-34301432.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Does McNulty read the Irish Independent??

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mindfulness-gurus-put-my-bullstometer-in-overdrive-34301432.html

Ouch!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on December 21, 2015, 10:53:19 AM
Lol. I suspect he will read that article and be far from impressed!!

That stuff works for some people. Not for everyone - obviously doesn't work for Joe - but it's a tad harsh singling McNulty out like that!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on December 21, 2015, 12:01:48 PM
Joe flat out taking the piss on Twitter ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 12:02:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 21, 2015, 12:01:48 PM
Joe flat out taking the piss on Twitter ;D

He's getting stuck right in... This could get interesting!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 01:48:44 PM
On the article itself I think it's a usual Brolly stunt where he pulls out a couple of thing to suit his agenda and goes mad on it. Yes some of the quotes are nonsense but McNulty is well respected in his field and I'm sure he provides much more of a service than a few mentally positive quotations and Memes. Schmidt doesn't seem like the type of character to suffer fools gladly so he must be offering something.

To my mind the article seems overly spiteful and could do damage to McNulty's image which I'm sure he won't be too happy about!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 21, 2015, 01:58:41 PM
Joe's taking the piss but he's right,  sports psychologists are the bluffers get out for not being able to do their own jobs right as managers!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on December 21, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Those psycobable quotes are cringe worthy but what annoyed me is they are not what is considered mindfulness!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on December 21, 2015, 04:59:15 PM
Great article Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 21, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
Not a great article, but a very enjoyable Brolly article.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on December 21, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Anyone who thinks that sports psychologists have nothing to offer in terms of an athlete/footballers overall development are delusional, is it an Irish thing that we all love to rubbish something we don't know too much about? Just another piece of Brolly rubbish. humourous ? yes. Rubbish? also yes 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on December 21, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Correct.  Just check two sites as examples:

https://www.dojni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/doj/lsani-payments-to-top-100-counsel-for-2013-14.pdf (https://www.dojni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/doj/lsani-payments-to-top-100-counsel-for-2013-14.pdf)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11574666 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11574666)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.

It matters to the people who get the donations I'm sure

If the gaaboard paid bullsh1tters, there'd be a few wealthy boys knocking about
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on December 21, 2015, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.

He's getting paid for expressing his opinion in an entertaining way. He certainly creates a lot of talking points which is what those people employing him are looking for. He is a bullshitter but in amongst the bullshit are often brilliant ideas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.

It matters to the people who get the donations I'm sure

If the gaaboard paid bullsh1tters, there'd be a few wealthy boys knocking about

He gets paid to bullshit, he writes an article slagging off someone who he says gets paid for bullshitting. Your charity point is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on December 21, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 21, 2015, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.

He's getting paid for expressing his opinion in an entertaining way. He certainly creates a lot of talking points which is what those people employing him are looking for. He is a bullshitter but in amongst the bullshit are often brilliant ideas.

Like?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on December 22, 2015, 01:10:17 AM
Stop playing Brolly the man for a minute. What part of his piece do you not agree with??

I agree that sports psychology can be enormous but what works for half the dressing room is a laughing stock with the rest.

Great article. Hugely entertaining. Well done Joe.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on December 22, 2015, 01:21:50 AM
Quote from: bannside on December 22, 2015, 01:10:17 AM
Stop playing Brolly the man for a minute. What part of his piece do you not agree with??

I agree that sports psychology can be enormous but what works for half the dressing room is a laughing stock with the rest.

Great article. Hugely entertaining. Well done Joe.

But if it does work for half the dressing room, its not bullshit, despite what Joe Brolly or the other half of the dressing room think. Athletes who have been far more successful than Brolly speak very highly of McNulty, which kinda disproves his theories.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on December 22, 2015, 01:30:44 AM
Not having a pop at Mc Nulty. Obviously well respected but.....read the piece again Beffs and please state what part you personally disagree with?

The power shower thing great when you win....but returning from the final this year my overriding emotion was that Kerry lost the final  (by missing scoring chances they would normally take in their sleep) more than Dublin won it. Or put it another way. Kerry were shite by their own very high standards and we're still therabouts at the end. The power shower thing only has to not work once and the manager is looking for a new psychology team for the following year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on December 22, 2015, 01:46:17 AM
I disagree with his lumping eegits like Chopra in with McNulty & labeling it all as bullshit. McNulty has a proven track record, based on things that athletes who have worked with him have said about him. People like Brian O'Driscoll. Not everyone is into this kind of thing. Brolly clearly isn't, but it is typically narrow minded of him to pour scorn on something, just because he doesn't understand it or agree with it.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on December 22, 2015, 02:55:05 AM
The All Blacks seem to be the reference point for all things sporting at the minute. they put huge importance on a full time mental skills coach. I'm not suggesting they know all there is to know but I am guessing they have invested more time and effort into this stuff than sensationalist Joe. Joe is all about look at me. The most self absorbed individual ever to commentate on the gaa
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2015, 09:09:42 AM
Sounds like Enda didn't get a round in.

Too hyperbolic to call it an astonishing attack on the Armagh man?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 22, 2015, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 21, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Just checking you know he makes his living as a Barrister and that the RTE thing is on the side right?

You don't get to be a Barrister by bluffing!!

Barristers are the highest paid of all bullshitters. Just checking, does he get paid for his RTE "analysis"?

does he not donate his TV fee?

Does it matter if he does or not? He still gets paid for it on Rte, and for the Irish Independent and for the Gaelic Life. Tell me this isn't a man making money off bullshitting and bluffing.

It matters to the people who get the donations I'm sure

If the gaaboard paid bullsh1tters, there'd be a few wealthy boys knocking about

He gets paid to bullshit, he writes an article slagging off someone who he says gets paid for bullshitting. Your charity point is irrelevant.
"What is Love? Love is the absence of judgement."

Dalai Lama
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 22, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Ah some of you are hilarious.

The All Blacks?? ;D

They play a minority sport devoid of skill and populated by roidheads and are the only nation who play the game where it is the no.1 sport in the country. Of course the only country who put the sport as no.1 and where the serious competition  is so shallow that it doesn't surpass any 10 teams of reasonable pedigree is going to be successful.

It would be like one Ulster county taking hurling seriously and being successful in Ulster confines.

McNulty is a massive bullshitter and Brolly is right here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Man Marker on December 22, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
FFS lads yer all saft in the head, Brolly has just helped Mc Nulty, there is no such thing as bad publicity. The article was class, seriously funny. That was how it was meant to be, how do some of you boys live  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2015, 12:10:36 PM
I'm not into it personally but I know someone who have used these methods to turn their life around from a seriously deep low. No laughing matter for some.

Isn't yer man Morrison the original guru in this field? Brazil nuts and skips?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 22, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Its like an article from the 80s in terms of its view of sports psychology. The important thing is though that given Joe doesn't take himself too seriously, we shouldn't take him too seriously either. His articles are mostly fabricated, but are always a great read, and that works for me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on December 22, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 22, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Ah some of you are hilarious.

The All Blacks?? ;D

They play a minority sport devoid of skill and populated by roidheads and are the only nation who play the game where it is the no.1 sport in the country. Of course the only country who put the sport as no.1 and where the serious competition  is so shallow that it doesn't surpass any 10 teams of reasonable pedigree is going to be successful.

It would be like one Ulster county taking hurling seriously and being successful in Ulster confines.

McNulty is a massive bullshitter and Brolly is right here.

Is says something about you, that on a website with its fair share of idiots (like most) you stand out in my mind as the champion of that particular bracket.

Rugby is just full of drugged up bodybuilders apparently. What an ignoramus.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 22, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 22, 2015, 12:10:36 PM
I'm not into it personally but I know someone who have used these methods to turn their life around from a seriously deep low. No laughing matter for some.

Isn't yer man Morrison the original guru in this field? Brazil nuts and skips?
John Morrison?

Have just read his weekly 'A Sporting View' column in the Armagh Gazette. He recommends giving lots of high fives to improve confidence and unity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on December 22, 2015, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 22, 2015, 01:30:44 AM
Not having a pop at Mc Nulty. Obviously well respected but.....read the piece again Beffs and please state what part you personally disagree with?

The power shower thing great when you win....but returning from the final this year my overriding emotion was that Kerry lost the final  (by missing scoring chances they would normally take in their sleep) more than Dublin won it. Or put it another way. Kerry were shite by their own very high standards and we're still therabouts at the end. The power shower thing only has to not work once and the manager is looking for a new psychology team for the following year.

Brolly never clarified whether he was talking about sports psychology or mental health in general . And because of this he looks like a prize idiot. Insensitive and stupid article in my opinion .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 22, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Joe Brolly accusing people of making a living by talking shite and bluffing?? Does the man have any self awareness?

Those who can't....teach
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 22, 2015, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on December 22, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Its like an article from the 80s in terms of its view of sports psychology. The important thing is though that given Joe doesn't take himself too seriously, we shouldn't take him too seriously either. His articles are mostly fabricated, but are always a great read, and that works for me.

Yep I agree and that's fine until he decides (like he does on a regular basis) to publicly ridicule individuals. Not everyone understands Joe's whimsical way of thinking and many take his word as gospel, you only need to consider some of the prize idiots who hang on his every word on here as an example of that. Joe has publicly held Enda's very legitimate professional capabilities up for public ridicule without really even bothering to research the topic, interview those who have worked with Enda or God forbid speak to Enda himself. All top of the head nonsense from Joe which, while I admit can be humorous, can also be quite damaging to those that he targets. It's not always harmless fun with Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on December 22, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Pretty much puts Joe back in his box. A disgraceful article by Joe in many ways.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 22, 2015, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on December 22, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 22, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Ah some of you are hilarious.

The All Blacks?? ;D

They play a minority sport devoid of skill and populated by roidheads and are the only nation who play the game where it is the no.1 sport in the country. Of course the only country who put the sport as no.1 and where the serious competition  is so shallow that it doesn't surpass any 10 teams of reasonable pedigree is going to be successful.

It would be like one Ulster county taking hurling seriously and being successful in Ulster confines.

McNulty is a massive bullshitter and Brolly is right here.


Rugby is just full of drugged up bodybuilders apparently.

Yes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on December 22, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 22, 2015, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 22, 2015, 01:30:44 AM
Not having a pop at Mc Nulty. Obviously well respected but.....read the piece again Beffs and please state what part you personally disagree with?

The power shower thing great when you win....but returning from the final this year my overriding emotion was that Kerry lost the final  (by missing scoring chances they would normally take in their sleep) more than Dublin won it. Or put it another way. Kerry were shite by their own very high standards and we're still therabouts at the end. The power shower thing only has to not work once and the manager is looking for a new psychology team for the following year.

Brolly never clarified whether he was talking about sports psychology or mental health in general . And because of this he looks like a prize idiot. Insensitive and stupid article in my opinion .

Here is the second paragraph of the article.

Though not quite as easy as the money made by sports psychologists, who continue to make fortunes from dressed-up statements of the obvious. The trick is to repeat them in the manner of Moses arriving back down from the mountain with the ten commandments.

At least read it before referencing it.  Prize idiot indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on December 23, 2015, 12:00:05 AM
Brolly is usually on the money but exaggerates in the extreme for the sake of being entertaining.
His attacking on McNulty feels very personal but I'd guess McNulty (a man who thrives on publicity) will be happy enough. I've heard McNulty on radio and he speaks well but I often find myself thinking that he's a bullshitter. He's a name dropper and loves to claim major successes. Latest I heard was him talking about working with Microsoft and Apple. Not withstanding his work with the Leinster rugby team, his overwhelming appetite for self promotion is what I struggle with. On this one Brolly is spot on - let's see McNulty work with Wicklow, Louth or even Derry. Instead he'll wax lyrical about teams he has worked with, who were already successful!! Which makes his a bandwagon jumper, as well as a bullshitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on December 23, 2015, 07:56:42 AM
Derry had a Sports Psychologist working with them in '93 - Craig Mahoney. Though Brolly is on record talking about how little impact he had on the likes of Scullion and McGilligan.

Professor Mahoney is a former semi-professional squash player, who has coached and managed squash teams in Australia, Sweden and Ireland, and is also a qualified squash referee. With an international reputation as a sports psychologist, and the first person in the UK to hold dual accreditation from BASES, for Exercise Physiology and Sport Psychology, Professor Mahoney has worked with an extensive range of performers at World, Olympic and Commonwealth level and is an adviser to UEFA and FIFA on psychology in officiating. Amongst his greatest professional achievements as a sport psychologist he lists the 1993 All Ireland Gaelic Football title won by Doire County; two 3rd place finishes for the England Netball team in World and Commonwealth Championships; and several top ten finishes achieved by Irish sailors in the last four Olympiads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 22, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Pretty much puts Joe back in his box. A disgraceful article by Joe in many ways.

Brolly's reply was "From the man who supervised Mayo's mental collapses under James Horan!"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on December 23, 2015, 11:40:11 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 22, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Pretty much puts Joe back in his box. A disgraceful article by Joe in many ways.
Excellent reply from Shannon.
Buts sure Joe has gotten the attention he craves from the first article, so it hardly matters that a lot of it is obviously rubbish.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on December 23, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 22, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Pretty much puts Joe back in his box. A disgraceful article by Joe in many ways.

Brolly's reply was "From the man who supervised Mayo's mental collapses under James Horan!"
That's it Joe, ignore the points and play the man. The evolution of Joe into Dunphy is nauseating to watch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on December 23, 2015, 01:24:01 PM

As far as I'm aware Leinster hadn't won a Heineken cup before McNulty started with them. Apple are also still waiting on their maiden European trophy.

You're right about promotion though - anyone self employed in this county should be banned from promoting their company. Or should we just ban lads that do well for themselves?

With each passing week I grow less tired of Brolly's inane retweet seeking drivel than I increasingly am of those who drink it all in because it's eloquent and inevitably tips it's hat to the grass cutter somewhere along the way
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on December 23, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: Zulu on December 22, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Pretty much puts Joe back in his box. A disgraceful article by Joe in many ways.

Brolly's reply was "From the man who supervised Mayo's mental collapses under James Horan!"

Surely only underlines the paucity of Joe's point?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 23, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Brolly is quite provocative. It is part of his personality. He is a 5 on the enneagram, I bet

Check out point number 6 below

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-5/

Healthy Levels   1.(At Their Best) Become visionaries, broadly comprehending the world while penetrating it profoundly. Open-minded, take things in whole, in their true context. Make pioneering discoveries and find entirely new ways of doing and perceiving things.

2.Observe everything with extraordinary perceptiveness and insight. Most mentally alert, curious, searching intelligence: nothing escapes their notice. Foresight and prediction. Able to concentrate: become engrossed in what has caught their attention.

3.Attain skillful mastery of whatever interests them. Excited by knowledge: often become expert in some field. Innovative and inventive, producing extremely valuable, original works. Highly independent, idiosyncratic, and whimsical.

Average Levels

   4.Begin conceptualizing and fine-tuning everything before acting—working things out in their minds: model building, preparing, practicing, and gathering more resources. Studious, acquiring technique. Become specialized, and often "intellectual," often challenging accepted ways of doing things.

5.Increasingly detached as they become involved with complicated ideas or imaginary worlds. Become preoccupied with their visions and interpretations rather than reality. Are fascinated by off-beat, esoteric subjects, even those involving dark and disturbing elements. Detached from the practical world, a "disembodied mind," although high-strung and intense.

6.Begin to take an antagonistic stance toward anything which would interfere with their inner world and personal vision. Become provocative and abrasive, with intentionally extreme and radical views. Cynical and argumentative.
- See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-5/#sthash.yyjMMMaz.dpuf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on December 23, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

You played under Joe Kernan and Sean Boylan? How did you manage that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 23, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: ck on December 23, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

You played under Joe Kernan and Sean Boylan? How did you manage that?

Thought bubbles.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on December 24, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

I'd suggest you haven't encountered a good qualified sports psychologist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

I'd suggest you haven't encountered a good qualified sports psychologist.

Without naming the person they are highly regarded in their field and has worked internationally. They have worked with a number of big names outside of the GAA and within the GAA. What was worked on was absolutely no different than was worked on week in week out in terms of the 'psychology'if the sport.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 24, 2015, 07:50:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

I'd suggest you haven't encountered a good qualified sports psychologist.

Without naming the person they are highly regarded in their field and has worked internationally. They have worked with a number of big names outside of the GAA and within the GAA. What was worked on was absolutely no different than was worked on week in week out in terms of the 'psychology'if the sport.

Perhaps Joe did a little bit of reading up on the sports psychology aspect of things himself and was capable enough to deliver parts of it himself. Cross, as usual, were probably ahead of the game here. I wouldn't imagine the average club manager across Ireland would be as clued up on this on a week in, week out basis. But as mentioned in previous occasions, it's not for every player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 24, 2015, 07:50:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

I'd suggest you haven't encountered a good qualified sports psychologist.

Without naming the person they are highly regarded in their field and has worked internationally. They have worked with a number of big names outside of the GAA and within the GAA. What was worked on was absolutely no different than was worked on week in week out in terms of the 'psychology'if the sport.

Perhaps Joe did a little bit of reading up on the sports psychology aspect of things himself and was capable enough to deliver parts of it himself. Cross, as usual, were probably ahead of the game here. I wouldn't imagine the average club manager across Ireland would be as clued up on this on a week in, week out basis. But as mentioned in previous occasions, it's not for every player.

Benny there's a 'psychology' in winning but that is not created in a room with diagrams.  The best type of psychological development in any team sport is breaking down the barriers in group work on a football field.  The hard yards in the muck of a field will develop players better than any sports psychologist.  Individual work with a player on a one to one basis may be useful but as a group I don't know.  The work that the likes of McNulty has done with individuals is probably worthwhile but in team sports there is a completely different dynamic.  We built the winning mentality up from very young,  as do Kilkenny players and Kerry players.  It is very difficult to mirror that with a team that hasn't won for many years.

I have coached other teams over the last few years,  one of the things that is asked of me is to create the Cross mentality within the group.  Even the best sports psychologist in the world could not do that as it is a completely different mindset.  A player or 2 might get what you want but a group of 25-30 is nearly impossible and that is working with them for months.  WInners are not made in a committee room they are made on the football field and that will never change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 24, 2015, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 24, 2015, 07:50:42 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 24, 2015, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Has anyone on here ever been exposed to a sports psychologist and their work.  I have and I must say that it was poor enough.  This person  is a renowned member of the profession but what was done with them was no different than the work I had been exposed to under Joe Kernan etc.  They didn't use any different phrases just had it up in 'thought bubbles' on a white board.  I think perhaps the generation that played up to say the mid 00's are skeptical to a degree because in many respects the majority of the good managers were 'psychologists' in their own right.  We did great stuff with Sean Boylan for instance in regards to visualization and focus and it was very spiritual but the next minute it was very much break the man in 2 attitude.  Sean O'Neill did a few great talks with us that would put any psychologist in their box.  These men are not coming with letters after their names but the do have a great human insight and a great understanding of the 'psychology' of winning.  I'd say the likes of Eamon Coleman, Paidi O Se et al were all very good 'psychologists' and they would have simplified the game the bare bones.  It is often made too complicated and as a result the need to get the extra edge has to be brought in from the outside as opposed to being the core value of the whole set up.

I'd suggest you haven't encountered a good qualified sports psychologist.

Without naming the person they are highly regarded in their field and has worked internationally. They have worked with a number of big names outside of the GAA and within the GAA. What was worked on was absolutely no different than was worked on week in week out in terms of the 'psychology'if the sport.

Perhaps Joe did a little bit of reading up on the sports psychology aspect of things himself and was capable enough to deliver parts of it himself. Cross, as usual, were probably ahead of the game here. I wouldn't imagine the average club manager across Ireland would be as clued up on this on a week in, week out basis. But as mentioned in previous occasions, it's not for every player.

Benny there's a 'psychology' in winning but that is not created in a room with diagrams.  The best type of psychological development in any team sport is breaking down the barriers in group work on a football field.  The hard yards in the muck of a field will develop players better than any sports psychologist.  Individual work with a player on a one to one basis may be useful but as a group I don't know.  The work that the likes of McNulty has done with individuals is probably worthwhile but in team sports there is a completely different dynamic.  We built the winning mentality up from very young,  as do Kilkenny players and Kerry players.  It is very difficult to mirror that with a team that hasn't won for many years.

I have coached other teams over the last few years,  one of the things that is asked of me is to create the Cross mentality within the group.  Even the best sports psychologist in the world could not do that as it is a completely different mindset.  A player or 2 might get what you want but a group of 25-30 is nearly impossible and that is working with them for months.  WInners are not made in a committee room they are made on the football field and that will never change.
BC

What about the last 5 minutes and fatalism ?

There has to be some solution to the Mayo football /Galway hurlers problem. They can do it for 65 minutes and then they get into the hole.
Thought patterns  have to be fixable. This article on psychology is quite interesting IMO

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/may/28/relationships
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 24, 2015, 10:49:59 AM
Of course the winning mentality created in Cross, Kerry and the likes of Man Utd under Ferguson is essential for sustained success in the team environment but some individuals may need extra support to get the best out of themselves. People like Paul Galvin, Gordan D'arcy aren't guys who you expect would need help to improve their game but both have been very complimentary about the methods of McNulty. Their improved performances ultimately help the team.

Success breeds success and people can buy into that easily when the results are proven and individuals are surrounding by a team of lads with a winning mentality and a proven track record of success. How would you get on coaching the Cross mentality in Dromintee (no disrespect intended) or Leitrim?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on December 24, 2015, 09:48:44 PM

Eamonn Coleman was the first gaa manager to have a sports psychologist work with his team in a structured manner.

Joe kernan used several sports psychologists when managing armagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 24, 2015, 09:52:37 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 24, 2015, 09:48:44 PM


Joe kernan used several sports psychologists when managing armagh.

Did one of them design the triangle yoke that scared the bejayzus out of the opposition?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StGallsGAA on January 03, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
QuoteJoe kernan used several sports psychologists when managing armagh.

Mickey Harte employed a sports psychologist during Tyrone's minor and u21 AI successes.  JK came to visit MH to find out how effective MH found their involvement before introducing the same into the Armagh set up when he took over.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2016, 10:25:05 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-who-needs-a-life-coach-when-our-teams-are-full-of-them-34370555.html

Joe in fine form :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2016, 10:25:05 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-who-needs-a-life-coach-when-our-teams-are-full-of-them-34370555.html

Joe in fine form :D

Hats off to Kieran MC Keever and co up there.

Joe can paint a picture alright and in fine form as you say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 18, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2016, 10:25:05 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-who-needs-a-life-coach-when-our-teams-are-full-of-them-34370555.html

Joe in fine form :D

"He fainted"  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Link on January 18, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
Boozy Baz away to Perth, wonder will he be home in time for dungiven's reserve challenge next year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2016, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.

Are you sure about that? I think it wasn't changed until 94 or 95 maybe. Definitely by 95 anyway as Charlie got one after being sent off against Tyrone! I remember Tohill missed out on one in 1991 for being sent off in a Sigerson game!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2016, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.

Are you sure about that? I think it wasn't changed until 94 or 95 maybe. Definitely by 95 anyway as Charlie got one after being sent off against Tyrone! I remember Tohill missed out on one in 1991 for being sent off in a Sigerson game!

I think it changed but it was determined on the category of offence whether or not you got an All Star,  ye know if ye made a man faint then you definitely were not getting one!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2016, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.

Are you sure about that? I think it wasn't changed until 94 or 95 maybe. Definitely by 95 anyway as Charlie got one after being sent off against Tyrone! I remember Tohill missed out on one in 1991 for being sent off in a Sigerson game!

He missed out on one in '91, by being in Australia for most of it. He got one in '93, despite being sent off in a Ryan Cup match.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 18, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.

Did it not depend on the category of offence? Striking automatically ruled someone out whereas a less serious sending off didn't.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
As far as I recall, this rule went through a couple of changes. Originally, if you got sent off at all, you were done. I remember a few lads in the 80s missing out on All Stars due to getting sent off. Then I believe it changed to category, i.e. if you received anything more than the minimum 2 week suspension, you were ineligible.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
As far as I recall, this rule went through a couple of changes. Originally, if you got sent off at all, you were done. I remember a few lads in the 80s missing out on All Stars due to getting sent off. Then I believe it changed to category, i.e. if you received anything more than the minimum 2 week suspension, you were ineligible.

That's all true but what category does making a man faint fall under?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
I don't understand the question. Who fainted?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
I don't understand the question. Who fainted?

Relates to Brolly's earlier article where McKeever lamped Tommy Ryan and when the ref asked McKeever what happened he said that Ryan had fainted.

It kind of ruins the joke now you've had me explain it!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 04:13:22 PM
Sorry, I try not to read any of Brolly's articles any more :) I only come in here to see are ye giving him a good kicking :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 04:13:22 PM
Sorry, I try not to read any of Brolly's articles any more :) I only come in here to see are ye giving him a good kicking :)

Some latchico you are commenting on this then!!!  It wasn't even a very funny joke but you made it even less funny!  Poor Frog!

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/62832137.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on January 18, 2016, 05:51:32 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2016, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2016, 10:25:05 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-who-needs-a-life-coach-when-our-teams-are-full-of-them-34370555.html

Joe in fine form :D

Hats off to Kieran MC Keever and co up there.

Joe can paint a picture alright and in fine form as you say.

I think Joe makes half those stories up!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2016, 06:23:22 PM
The rule for suspensions did still exist in 1993, McKeever got done for smoking Ryan, it may been a repeat offend within a 2yrs time fame, i still got the newpapers cutting in the house from that year. Big Clare Midfielder Tom Morrissey lost out on an all-star too the previous year due to this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 18, 2016, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
"McKeever was sent off. Which explains why the country's best defender didn't win an All Star in our All-Ireland year. In those days, a sending-off disqualified you from a gong."

Except it didn't. The rules had been changed by then and at least one or two of the 1993 All-Stars had been sent off earlier that year.

Wouldn't be like Joe to let facts get in the way of whatever way he wanted to paint the article. Is this not the about the 4th or 5th time i've read this article from Joe with different characters and laments each time?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 18, 2016, 11:44:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
I don't understand the question. Who fainted?

Relates to Brolly's earlier article where McKeever lamped Tommy Ryan and when the ref asked McKeever what happened he said that Ryan had fainted.

It kind of ruins the joke now you've had me explain it!

You didn't explain it very well, it was the Manus Boyle who fainted!  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Any craic on January 20, 2016, 11:48:40 PM
Who says Joe doesn't have a sense of humour? How did he keep a straight face while also referencing The Simpsons, The Godfather, Gweedore and Fergal Logan all in 90 seconds? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7u81xaYSXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7u81xaYSXo)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on January 21, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
I don't think many would say he hasn't got a sense of humour to be fair. He does spout some rubbish amongst some good articles too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on April 05, 2016, 09:03:41 AM
"I'm not prejudiced but if a c**n moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a n****r, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."

So said Anfield legend Tommy Smith in an interview with author Dave Hill in 1988. At the time, black soccer players like Justin Fashanu and Cyril Regis were running the gauntlet. When they took to the field on Saturdays at 3pm, the stands erupted in gorilla chants. Bananas were thrown onto the field. When West Brom broke new ground by signing Regis, Laurie Cunningham and Brendan Bateson, they were promptly christened "The Three Degrees" and amended lyrics from the American group's hits were sung at every ground. When Regis was selected to play for England, he received a bullet in the post with a note reading: "If you play for us at Wembley, one of these will be shot into your knees, you black b******." This is racism.

The Armagh County Board last week accusing a Laois player of "racism" after he repeatedly taunted their captain Ciaran McKeever, alledgely branding him " a British bastard" and shouting "God save the Queen" in his face. British? Affordable housing, safe banks, steady employment and a stable infrastructure? On one view, it's not much of an insult. And it isn't racism.


What it is however, is an unpleasant attack on the ethos of the GAA, betraying as it does a certain partitionist mentality. In his book, Big Joe Kernan recalls " One of the few times as Armagh manager I really lost my temper was in a league game against Laois. One Laois man, who was part of the official party squared up to John Rafferty and called us 'orange b*****ds'. While I should have laughed at it, I was infuriated. I felt like laying him out with a punch, but managed to restrain myself."

When Saint Mary's CBS Grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland 'B' hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant racial abuse by the opposition. The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to "Go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there."

It is a dirty secret. It is widespread. Yet the authorities pretend it doesn't exist. The hierarchy was reported to be "furious" at the Armagh Board's public statement, written by chairman Paul Duggan, a man of the utmost integrity. Yet his complaint, instead of sparking an immediate inquisition, was brushed under the carpet by Croke Park. Within a day, a very bland joint statement was released by the Armagh and Laois boards suggesting that nothing had really happened at all. Meanwhile Armagh's assistant manager Paul Grimley was pointing out that both the referee and the linesman spoke to the Laois player in question during the game and asked him to refrain. Can you imagine what would happen if the Ulster RFU alleged that Rory Best had been told to "Go back to Britain you orange b******d"during an interprovincial game at Donnybrook? The IRFU would come down on the culprit like a ton of bricks. Yet when the exact same thing happens in our game – and it happens all the time - it is buried.

There has always been a slightly uneasy relationship between elements of the Irish people north and south. After the Derrytresk/Dromid incident a few months ago, Joe Duffy had outraged southern-folk queuing up to vent to their spleen about those dirty northerners. Two "Liveline" shows were devoted to the scandal and still they jammed the switchboards, each new caller more indignant than the last. A man from Kildare summed up the mood when he suggested, "The Northern Ireland crowd should be told to play their football up in Northern Ireland."

A few days later, petrol was poured on the Dromid fire by the request from Dr Crokes' Killarney chairman Vincent Casey that their supporters be segregated from Crossmaglen's for their recent All-Ireland club semi-final. Casey had other demands: "We are also looking for an increased number of stewards at the venue and a bigger Garda presence than last Sunday." He seemed to think that Crossmaglen's supporters would be arriving sporting black berets, dark glasses and AK47s. It was of course nonsensical, but again, it illustrated a certain mindset.


Culturally, we are no doubt slightly different. In a way, northern Gaels are more ferocious about our Irishness because we had to fight harder for it. My father, a veteran republican, fluent Irish speaker and traditional musician steeped in all things Gaelic quipped to me during the week, " Don't be too hard on the southerners Joe, some of them are almost as Irish as we are." Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn't support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn't support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together. When Tyrone scored their killer goal in the 2005 final against Kerry, a Derry man sitting in the stand jumped up, punched the air in delight and roared, "Come on you Tyrone b******ds!"

In 1998, Michael McGimpsey, the Unionist Minister for Sport gave the IFA a £9million grant for the development of local soccer. The GAA – as was usual then - got nothing. The Ulster Council issued discrimination proceedings and the Department settled out of court for £6.7 million. The gates had been prised open and we have kept them open since. A high ranking official in Croke Park remarked snidely to me some years ago that, "You boys up there are experts at taking the Queen's shilling."

In 2009, ex Roscommon goalie Shane Curran, in his weekly column in the "Roscommon Champion" insisted the northern counties' success had little to do with ability- and more to do with financial assistance from the 'British' government. He wrote, "The emergence of the northern counties owes as much to the peace process and the financial assistance afforded to them by her Majesty than any real innovation. Money has played a significant part in the development of Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh." The fact that he felt secure enough to write this in an Irish paper speaks volumes.

When Martin McGuinness announced his presidential campaign, vitriol flowed. Appearing on RTE's Frontline he was asked by one young woman: "Why are you running in this election, you are not Irish, why do you not go back up north, you belong to a different state, this is the Republic of Ireland, not Northern Ireland".


When northern teams were winning nothing, coming down to get an annual hammering, we were patronised left, right and centre. "It's great to see ye keeping the game alive up there." When we started winning and winning regularly in the 90s and noughties, begrudgery was the new theme. Armagh were robots. Tyrone? Puke footballers. Suddenly, we are British b*****ds who should go back to the north.

Northmen, Southmen, comrades all my arse.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GJL on April 05, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
Sadly, that could apply to a lot of people on here. Good bit of writing by Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on April 05, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
I don't mind joe but that article is awful tbh .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on April 05, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Why is this article doing the rounds again, it was written about 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on April 05, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: Mario on April 05, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Why is this article doing the rounds again, it was written about 4 years ago.

I was wondering the same myself yesterday when I saw it all over Facebook and Twitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AQMP on April 05, 2016, 12:53:22 PM
Yes, the St Mary's v Doon CBS game was in March 2012.  In this article the principal of St Mary's confirms he the incident probably didn't take place and it wasn't covered in the local press in Belfast.  More spoofing from Joe.

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http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/education/105814/County-Limerick-school-hits-back-at.html

THE PRINCIPAL of a County Limerick School has told the Leader of his "complete and utter disgust at a sectarian slur" by Joe Brolly on his players.

THE PRINCIPAL of a County Limerick School has told the Leader of his "complete and utter disgust at a sectarian slur" by Joe Brolly on his players.

In Mr Brolly's article in The Irish Mail on Sunday about Armagh's claim of "racism" he referenced St Fintan's CBS in Doon.

He wrote: "When Saint Mary's CBS grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland B hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant abuse by the opposition.

"The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to 'go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there'."

Eddie Bourke, principal of St Fintan's CBS, said the first he heard about these allegations were when one of his teachers rang him on Sunday night.

"There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in the article. It's an awful slur on the school. We're absolutely disgusted that Joe Brolly would go and write something like that without contacting us. It's a cheap shot," said Mr Bourke.

On Monday he sat down with the players of the team.

"They find it very hard to take that kind of insult. I have great regard for those lads. They had a great year in hurling and football. They won some matches that they shouldn't have won. They are a very gritty team, a very honest group of young fellows.

"There is nothing like that in them. They are very annoyed with it. We want to uphold the good name of the school," said Mr Bourke, who was on the sidelines for the semi-final in Dublin.

"I was very close to the action as were all our teachers. I heard absolutely nothing during the match. When the game was over we spoke to the teachers and coaches from St Mary's, congratulated them and wished them luck in the final.

"They came in to our dressing room to commiserate with us and they got a great round of applause. Our team went in to their dressing room and did the same thing. It was all very friendly and we parted in very good company," said Mr Bourke, who added that there was nothing in the referee's report.

He is backed up by the principal of St Mary's, Jim Sheerin.

"I didn't see the article by Joe Brolly but I've had absolutely no contact from any players, parent or supporters of St Mary's to make a complaint or object to how the Doon players conducted themselves. It is complete news to me when I heard it. It was a hard fought match which could have gone either way and it ended in very good spirits.

"I was at the match and if there had been anything I'm sure they would have expressed that to me. If people were incensed or aggrieved in some way clearly there was an opportunity on the day to alert me to it. There was nothing on the day," said Mr Sheerin.

Like Mr Bourke he says he has had no phone call in relation to what Mr Brolly has reported,

"I agree [with Mr Bourke] it is a slur on the school and he is quite right to follow it up," said Mr Sheerin. Regarding the local newspaper mentioned by Mr Brolly, the principal say their local paper is the Anderstown News or the widely circulated Irish News.

The Leader has contacted both and they say that nothing was printed of that nature.

Mr Bourke is to seek a retraction.

"Wherever Joe Brolly picked this up I have absolutely no idea. As far as I am concerned it is a complete fabrication. We're absolutely disgusted that Joe Brolly would go and write something like that without checking it, We got no phone call," said Mr Bourke.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 05, 2016, 01:11:26 PM
Sure, it's Joe and it's all a bit of craic and it doesn't matter if its not factually correct as long as its fits in with his story and that's all that really matters. Sure nobody died!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Mario on April 05, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Why is this article doing the rounds again, it was written about 4 years ago.

It was, but it's hard to tell with Joe these days.
He rehashes a lot of his anecdotes.
I wouldn't mind but he presents things that he previously wrote about months ago as if they had happened in the last few days.
Amusing as he is in general, it's best to take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on April 05, 2016, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Mario on April 05, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Why is this article doing the rounds again, it was written about 4 years ago.

It was, but it's hard to tell with Joe these days.
He rehashes a lot of his anecdotes.
I wouldn't mind but he presents things that he previously wrote about months ago as if they had happened in the last few days.
Amusing as he is in general, it's best to take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

But it wasn't a "rehash", it's the actually article from 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
I know Ziggy.
Hence the 'it was' at the start of my post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on April 05, 2016, 04:15:02 PM
It appeared on social media not long after the hogan cup final, so I'm guessing it could be something to do with Conor Glass's dubious red card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.

The Ulster representation at the AI QF stage over the last 3 years has been 4/8, 3/8, 4/8. 6 Ulster countues have made AI semi finals since 2004 (Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). 8 of the 9 Ulster counties have made AI qfs in since 2004, only Cavan and possibly Down have made it to that stage just the once in that time.

The Ulster Championship is extremely competitive, our teams are exposed to the peril of the qualifiers from an early stage. They simply have to be ready from early May - it is not like the other provinces, where the top team is given a free ride to the business end of Championship every year, so can easiky rest up their top players.

Ulster teams simply do not have that luxury.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: laoislad on April 05, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.

The Ulster representation at the AI QF stage over the last 3 years has been 4/8, 3/8, 4/8. 6 Ulster countues have made AI semi finals since 2004 (Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). 8 of the 9 Ulster counties have made AI qfs in since 2004, only Cavan and possibly Down have made it to that stage just the once in that time.

The Ulster Championship is extremely competitive, our teams are exposed to the peril of the qualifiers from an early stage. They simply have to be ready from early May - it is not like the other provinces, where the top team is given a free ride to the business end of Championship every year, so can easiky rest up their top players.

Ulster teams simply do not have that luxury.
I blame the free staters.

Btw the Brolly article is one of the funniest things I ever read. It's crap, but funny.
Billy Sheehan...What a legend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 05, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.

The Ulster representation at the AI QF stage over the last 3 years has been 4/8, 3/8, 4/8. 6 Ulster countues have made AI semi finals since 2004 (Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). 8 of the 9 Ulster counties have made AI qfs in since 2004, only Cavan and possibly Down have made it to that stage just the once in that time.

The Ulster Championship is extremely competitive, our teams are exposed to the peril of the qualifiers from an early stage. They simply have to be ready from early May - it is not like the other provinces, where the top team is given a free ride to the business end of Championship every year, so can easiky rest up their top players.

Ulster teams simply do not have that luxury.
I blame the free staters.

Btw the Brolly article is one of the funniest things I ever read. It's crap, but funny.
Billy Sheehan...What a legend.

Billy Sheehan - what a shit footballer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: laoislad on April 05, 2016, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 05, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.

The Ulster representation at the AI QF stage over the last 3 years has been 4/8, 3/8, 4/8. 6 Ulster countues have made AI semi finals since 2004 (Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). 8 of the 9 Ulster counties have made AI qfs in since 2004, only Cavan and possibly Down have made it to that stage just the once in that time.

The Ulster Championship is extremely competitive, our teams are exposed to the peril of the qualifiers from an early stage. They simply have to be ready from early May - it is not like the other provinces, where the top team is given a free ride to the business end of Championship every year, so can easiky rest up their top players.

Ulster teams simply do not have that luxury.
I blame the free staters.

Btw the Brolly article is one of the funniest things I ever read. It's crap, but funny.
Billy Sheehan...What a legend.

Billy Sheehan - what a shit footballer.
;D
I won't disagree.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 05, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Unbelievable! You have a serious problem! 🙈
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 05, 2016, 09:01:57 PM
I played some football 'up north'.

At the time I had never heard the term 'Free State' and had to ask my teammates afterwards what I was being abused about. It was remarkable how often I heard this term on the pitch, usually along with other words such as **** and f**ker. Strangely, I never thought of whinging to anyone and certainly never saw it as racism. I thought it meant I was playing well.

It one took a straw poll, using this board as a sample, there would certainly be a few southerners who fire the sort of abuse that Brolly talks about, but I would estimate there are quite more doing the opposite. 

Brolly should have balanced his article, but then it wouldn't have been as interesting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 05, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Unbelievable! You have a serious problem! 🙈
problem??
I'm not the pervert stalker from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 05, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm

At the 95 final i was in the midst of derry fans from the minor game. Most were supporting tyrone. There were a few who cheered when canavan had his disallowed point but there will always be a few.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 05, 2016, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 05, 2016, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The subject of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head. Thr playing field is not level, it is skewed to disadvantage us, despite this our counties still dominate the QF stage.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
Do 6 Co teams have to play against the wind both halves or can only play 13 players or what?
Haven't "dominated" Quarter finals since Armagh and Tyrone were in their primes.

The Ulster representation at the AI QF stage over the last 3 years has been 4/8, 3/8, 4/8. 6 Ulster countues have made AI semi finals since 2004 (Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). 8 of the 9 Ulster counties have made AI qfs in since 2004, only Cavan and possibly Down have made it to that stage just the once in that time.

The Ulster Championship is extremely competitive, our teams are exposed to the peril of the qualifiers from an early stage. They simply have to be ready from early May - it is not like the other provinces, where the top team is given a free ride to the business end of Championship every year, so can easiky rest up their top players.

Ulster teams simply do not have that luxury.
I blame the free staters.

Btw the Brolly article is one of the funniest things I ever read. It's crap, but funny.
Billy Sheehan...What a legend.

I was at the match referred to by Brolly and have no doubt Duffy Jnr as referee made a mess of the whole thing. While Sheehan can be forgiven for a lack of sense on that occasion his actions in the league match the following year when marking McKeever did himself, his profession and the GAA an injustice. The referee and the Laois manager get no credit either. If any Laois man there doesn't see that they can never be in a position to criticise Tyrone or any other team for verbals again.

And yes I know were their manager was from.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on April 05, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
Pure shite from Joe. The last line is a joke when you consider he christened Cavan the "Black Death". He's an attention seeking bollicks and he should f**k of back to Britain.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:36:33 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 05, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Unbelievable! You have a serious problem! 🙈
problem??
I'm not the pervert stalker from Tyrone.

Ive been recognising the contribution from Monaghan for a long time, the flags, bunting and receptions are all very welcome. Then in return we send you a few coaching personnel

Its a good relationship, kind of like a dog and his master... you eat the scraps from our table and in return your worship the ground we walk on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
Il hold my hands up here. Theres very few Ulster teams id be cheering for when they enter the All-Ireland series.
Nothing wrong with a bit of rivalry and healthy bitterness toward your neighbour.
I was brought up to hate Armagh so would I f**k be cheerin the hoors to victory.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 06, 2016, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 05, 2016, 09:01:57 PM
I played some football 'up north'.

At the time I had never heard the term 'Free State' and had to ask my teammates afterwards what I was being abused about. It was remarkable how often I heard this term on the pitch, usually along with other words such as **** and f**ker. Strangely, I never thought of whinging to anyone and certainly never saw it as racism. I thought it meant I was playing well.

It one took a straw poll, using this board as a sample, there would certainly be a few southerners who fire the sort of abuse that Brolly talks about, but I would estimate there are quite more doing the opposite. 

Brolly should have balanced his article, but then it wouldn't have been as interesting.

As someone with an English accent I'm surprised I was only called a tan once in my time playing in Manchester, oddly enough the brother and I both got a yellow card for the incident. The referee didn't take kindly to my brother asking his marker what this game was called and how he was surprised at how much better at the game he was than him considering he'd never played it before  ;D We were both booked for inciting racism, you couldn't make it up.

Unfortunately we've had a couple of incidents in recent years where a couple of the mancunian lads have been on the end of a bit of abuse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on April 06, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Went the 2005 final on my lonesome with the full intention of supporting Tyrone.... by jaysus they dont make it easy to like them though  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on April 06, 2016, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
Il hold my hands up here. Theres very few Ulster teams id be cheering for when they enter the All-Ireland series.
Nothing wrong with a bit of rivalry and healthy bitterness toward your neighbour.
I was brought trailed up to hate Armagh so would I f**k be cheerin the hoors to victory.

Enough said... :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on April 06, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Went the 2005 final on my lonesome with the full intention of supporting Tyrone.... by jaysus they dont make it easy to like them though  ;)

I was a big fan of Tyrone until I met some people from there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 06, 2016, 10:05:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on April 06, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Went the 2005 final on my lonesome with the full intention of supporting Tyrone.... by jaysus they dont make it easy to like them though  ;)

I was a big fan of Tyrone until I met some people from there.

Similar to a line I heard in a pub - "I like Tyrone, I just don't like Tyrone people"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of bastards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if bastards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 09, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

There's bastards in every county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 09, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
did he know ye?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on April 09, 2016, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 09, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

There's b**tards in every county.

The Rossies
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 09, 2016, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

Have you moved back?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on April 09, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

Yeah that really happened.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 09, 2016, 06:10:09 PM
Like moy is cheaper than Armagh for diesel...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on April 09, 2016, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 09, 2016, 06:10:09 PM
Like moy is cheaper than Armagh for diesel...

And everyone you meet in it is from Armagh. No harm in trying to better themselves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 09, 2016, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.
Let me get this straight. In a village on the Tyrone/Armagh border a man decided to call a complete stranger and the rest of his county "a shower of b**tards" in a totally random verbal attack?
That's hard to believe.
Told in the context of Tyrone people being scum it's totally believable  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on April 09, 2016, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.
Let me get this straight. In a village on the Tyrone/Armagh border a man decided to call a complete stranger and the rest of his county "a shower of b**tards" in a totally random verbal attack?
That's hard to believe.

Stew was on the beer last night. Probably dreamt it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 09, 2016, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.
Let me get this straight. In a village on the Tyrone/Armagh border a man decided to call a complete stranger and the rest of his county "a shower of b**tards" in a totally random verbal attack?
That's hard to believe.

A Tyrone man, to be fair.
I believe him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on April 09, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2016, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.
Let me get this straight. In a village on the Tyrone/Armagh border a man decided to call a complete stranger and the rest of his county "a shower of b**tards" in a totally random verbal attack?
That's hard to believe.

A Tyrone man, to be fair.
I believe him.

Jinxy you must be on the beer with stew.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on April 09, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Quote
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

As rrhf suggests, is it not more likely that this fella knew ye and yer shower and the fact you had "Armagh AI Champs 2002" air-freshners hanging from your HiAce van  like haemorrhoids from a 50 yr old prossy was mere coincidence??   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 10, 2016, 12:53:57 AM
I think everyone on here knows that he was spot on Stew
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 10, 2016, 08:05:14 AM
It all depends which station he was at. There seems to be a few rascals running round Moy and district at the minute alright.   :(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 10, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 09, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Quote
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

As rrhf suggests, is it not more likely that this fella knew ye and yer shower and the fact you had "Armagh AI Champs 2002" air-freshners hanging from your HiAce van  like haemorrhoids from a 50 yr old prossy was mere coincidence??
;D  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on April 10, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
Let's hope he meets Kieran McGeeney fairly soon...............

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-intolerance-of-losers-a-fatal-flaw-34613792.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-intolerance-of-losers-a-fatal-flaw-34613792.html)

Then he goes on radio..........

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/134293/Sunday_Paper_Review_April_10th__Brolly_and_Hogan (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/134293/Sunday_Paper_Review_April_10th__Brolly_and_Hogan)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2016, 09:00:42 PM
A super hatchet job on McGeeney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on April 10, 2016, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 10, 2016, 09:00:42 PM
A super hatchet job on McGeeney.

Absolutely savage. No love lost there obviously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on April 10, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Is it a valid argument? I'd say there's something in that analysis and hence why he wrote the piece, rather than having a grudge filled motive.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on April 10, 2016, 09:34:04 PM
talking up tyrone but hoping they fail in celtic park
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 10, 2016, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 10, 2016, 09:00:42 PM
A super hatchet job on McGeeney.

Absolutely savage. No love lost there obviously.
The reason is given in the start of the article. Brolly would be more of a thinker than a driven ideologue like McGeeney
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 10, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
No matter his criticism of McGeeney what other manager of a Division 3 team would get so much attention.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 10, 2016, 10:59:34 PM
Brolly has this one bang on. Kieran McGeeney has been a full time GAA manager on a full time salary for ten years now but has not delivered. His profile and persona has fooled many
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on April 11, 2016, 10:26:21 AM
If it was critical analysis I would sort of take it on board but with Joe you get the feeling he's taking the p1ss.  It becomes too personal, too often.  From a man with one failed attempt at management/coaching at any decent level too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 11, 2016, 10:29:18 AM
He basically starts it off on a personal note.

I don't think he's wrong but he shoots himself in the foot a bit with the personal slant.

If you look at one of the other threads and how few cross players are playing there is clearly something not right there. Whether that be mcgeeney or not I don't know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 10:46:31 AM
I was laughing at Joe last night how he was trying hard to be all calm and speak softly at the start but soon when Lyster would interrupt him he'd talk over him again and raise his voice. He even tried to put Jarlath in his box telling to behave as its your first time on the national broadcaster.

I was surprised how many times he mentioned Tyrone being contenders this year as it looks like we are his new toy this year to play with as he thinks Donegal are maybe a spent force. I don't think so despite their poor show yesterday.

He's not too happy with Belfast not getting anywhere near the money that Dublin has poured into it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 10, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
Let's hope he meets Kieran McGeeney fairly soon...............

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-intolerance-of-losers-a-fatal-flaw-34613792.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-intolerance-of-losers-a-fatal-flaw-34613792.html)

Then he goes on radio..........

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/134293/Sunday_Paper_Review_April_10th__Brolly_and_Hogan (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/134293/Sunday_Paper_Review_April_10th__Brolly_and_Hogan)
Fantastic interview as well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 11, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
He does a pretty good impersonation of Brian Mullins to be fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
Joe's dead right about McGeeney - Sh1t manager!

I would say it was McGeeney taking something personal out in Joe in front of everyone at Eamon Colemans funeral and it back fired!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
Joe's dead right about McGeeney - Sh1t manager!

I would say it was McGeeney taking something personal out in Joe in front of everyone at Eamon Colemans funeral and it back fired!

That funeral was 9 years ago. Does Joe really hold grudges like that for 9 years?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owenmoresider on April 11, 2016, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
Joe's dead right about McGeeney - Sh1t manager!

I would say it was McGeeney taking something personal out in Joe in front of everyone at Eamon Colemans funeral and it back fired!

That funeral was 9 years ago. Does Joe really hold grudges like that for 9 years?
A fairly short-term grudge by usual Irish standards that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on April 11, 2016, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
Joe's dead right about McGeeney - Sh1t manager!

I would say it was McGeeney taking something personal out in Joe in front of everyone at Eamon Colemans funeral and it back fired!

That funeral was 9 years ago. Does Joe really hold grudges like that for 9 years?

Didn't seem that he had a grudge.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
That's what I was saying. WT4E implied it was payback for something said 9 years ago. I'd say Brolly would have fired back way before now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
That's what I was saying. WT4E implied it was payback for something said 9 years ago. I'd say Brolly would have fired back way before now.

Sorry dunno if you picked me up wrong or I didn't explain myself properly - I was thinking that the comment that McGeeney made at the funeral was maybe a dig at joe for something between him and McGeeney around that time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
That's what I was saying. WT4E implied it was payback for something said 9 years ago. I'd say Brolly would have fired back way before now.

Sorry dunno if you picked me up wrong or I didn't explain myself properly - I was thinking that the comment that McGeeney made at the funeral was maybe a dig at joe for something between him and McGeeney around that time.

Ah right. I thought you were saying it backfired because Joe has now written this article. I get you now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
A snapshot of the record of the last few Kildare managers. Decide for yourself if McGenney made a difference to them. I do not know enough about Kildare football.

http://kildaregaa365.com/index.php/manager-records-senior-football/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 11, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
Joe's dead right about McGeeney - Sh1t manager!

I would say it was McGeeney taking something personal out in Joe in front of everyone at Eamon Colemans funeral and it back fired!

That funeral was 9 years ago. Does Joe really hold grudges like that for 9 years?

I think the point of the anecdote is to demonstrate that Geezer is never 'off'.
He's basically the terminator.
Grim, relentless, robotic, single-minded, big muscles etc.
Basically zero craic and not exactly a people person.
That works great when you're a player, less so when you're a manager.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on April 11, 2016, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Getting diesel in the moy this morning, I was pulled for being an armagh man by a tube that saw my armagh emblems on the car, apparently we are a shower of b**tards that got what we deserved last Sunday, I simply said he was right, we beat Derry and fully deserved to do so, I always thought down were the worst shower if b**tards in the gee, I am having second thoughts.

Thought this was a bit off topic based on the thread title. Joe must have thought so too so he's given us something else to talk about again with the McGeeney story.... :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
A snapshot of the record of the last few Kildare managers. Decide for yourself if McGenney made a difference to them. I do not know enough about Kildare football.

http://kildaregaa365.com/index.php/manager-records-senior-football/

I don't think any of those managers had the resources in terms of money that McGeeney was afforded and still no title!

Did he not leave Kildare in serious financial diffs?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
As a matter of interest how many of ye agree with Geezer that Brolly didn't really take his GAA career that seriously and wasted his talent?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 11, 2016, 03:49:41 PM
From reading that he definitely seems to have an axe to grind with mcgeeney.  Perhaps mc geeneys  profile lends to more attention but as already stated, who else is talking about Armagh relegation nationally, there have been better national league stories he could lend his opinion on, e.g Roscommon's rise, Cavan's promotion, Tyrone's form, Donegal's mixed fortunes. 

With Kildare I felt they were more competitive and mcgeeny took them as far as he could, with Armagh I genuinely feel he doesn't have the team to compete, whether he thinks there shit or not how would Brolly know?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 04:02:15 PM
I think by the way he was talking on the radio it was more a case of thinking about how great players don't always make great managers was his thought for the week.

As for Armagh do you genuinely believe they are a division 3 standard team?

Cross where within a whisker of getting another AI title and thats only some of the players at their disposal they have some other good footballers who all ireland minor medals in their back pockets.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 11, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
As a matter of interest how many of ye agree with Geezer that Brolly didn't really take his GAA career that seriously and wasted his talent?

Wasted talent? I wouldn't say that he wasted his talent he has an All Ireland, 2 Ulster Championships, 4 NFL's, a Ryan Cup, an Ulster Championship with his club, a couple of County Championships along with 2 All Stars.

With a haul like that I wish people would say I wasted my talent!!!

Could he have applied himself more and won a couple more All Stars? I would say most definitely and I think he would say so himself but GAA was changing as he went through his career and the demands of men like Mullins didn't sit well with him and I think him and Mullins didn't see eye to eye at all.

Had Coleman stayed on after 1994 I think we would have seen Brolly pick up at least another All Star but we fucked up back then big time and that's just the way that goes I guess!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 11, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
As a matter of interest how many of ye agree with Geezer that Brolly didn't really take his GAA career that seriously and wasted his talent?

Wasted talent? I wouldn't say that he wasted his talent he has an All Ireland, 2 Ulster Championships, 4 NFL's, a Ryan Cup, an Ulster Championship with his club, a couple of County Championships along with 2 All Stars.

With a haul like that I wish people would say I wasted my talent!!!

Could he have applied himself more and won a couple more All Stars? I would say most definitely and I think he would say so himself but GAA was changing as he went through his career and the demands of men like Mullins didn't sit well with him and I think him and Mullins didn't see eye to eye at all.

Had Coleman stayed on after 1994 I think we would have seen Brolly pick up at least another All Star but we fucked up back then big time and that's just the way that goes I guess!!

Agreed - Which points to the big possibility that McGeeney was obviously trying to get at Brolly at the funeral in front of his friends.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on April 11, 2016, 04:37:08 PM
I found Hogan and the interviewer's view on Johnston bizarre. Kerry didn't go looking for forwards because they have good forwards?

Since when did GAA teams go looking outside their own for ANY players?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 11, 2016, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 11, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
As a matter of interest how many of ye agree with Geezer that Brolly didn't really take his GAA career that seriously and wasted his talent?

Wasted talent? I wouldn't say that he wasted his talent he has an All Ireland, 2 Ulster Championships, 4 NFL's, a Ryan Cup, an Ulster Championship with his club, a couple of County Championships along with 2 All Stars.

With a haul like that I wish people would say I wasted my talent!!!

Could he have applied himself more and won a couple more All Stars? I would say most definitely and I think he would say so himself but GAA was changing as he went through his career and the demands of men like Mullins didn't sit well with him and I think him and Mullins didn't see eye to eye at all.

Had Coleman stayed on after 1994 I think we would have seen Brolly pick up at least another All Star but we fucked up back then big time and that's just the way that goes I guess!!

Agreed - Which points to the big possibility that McGeeney was obviously trying to get at Brolly at the funeral in front of his friends.

I don't think that's true. I think McGeeney is the type of character who would be serious about that type of thing. He wants to be the best he can possibly be at all times and doesn't understand people who aren't like that which is why he asked that of Brolly.

Brolly had talent hanging out of him but he had no interest in killing himself with long runs or weights to make sure he was as good as possible. He enjoyed the game and was good at it and that was enough for him... That wouldn't wash with McGeeney I don't think!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2016, 04:59:56 PM
Yeah I know what you're saying but it was strange time to bring it up surely?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 11, 2016, 05:05:11 PM
Of course we don't know for sure but I'd say McGeeney brought it up cos he knew Brolly was always a smart arse and was always rubbing people up the wrong way. I'd imagine it was McGeeney's attempt to bringing him down a peg or two in front of his old team mates, who many themselves thought Joe was an awful eejit and so many would agree with McGeeney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 05:17:48 PM
The thing about McGeeney is the intensity.  Brolly made the point that life is more nuanced.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
It is such a shame that Brolly personalizes things to the degree that he does. I just switch off when he does that. I imagine others do too. Why some former players find it very hard to succeed as managers is a fascinating subject. It deserves proper exploration. Brolly is just not capable of doing it, without getting the cheap digs in, which detracts a lot from the over all points he is trying to make.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 06:09:02 PM
Some, for me, odd comments about Joe not making the most of his ability.

Apart from giving over a decade of service to his county, hewas in his 30s and retired from the county game before that horrible combination of the back door qualifiers and the Celtic Tiger knocked  together to create semi-professional GAA players.

Comparing anyone who peaked pre-2000 with anyone who did so after that landmark, is a completely unfair exercise for the elder statesmen.

Living like a monk in the name of amateur sport in the early 1990s would have been truly, truly odd behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 11, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
I think many former players make good coaches/managers. The issue I think, is that some great players quickly get appointed to high profile jobs without ever learning their trade so we have lots of examples of great players failing as managers. We are particularly bad at this in the GAA where a great player could have his pick of managerial posts while a very good, experienced club coach may never even get a shot at a high profile job.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
I can't speak for Armagh but from a Kildare viewpoint I would say McGeeney did very well for about four out of the six years he was here. Things went downhill in 2012 when the team started to break apart which 'coincidentally' was around the same time that the Johnston saga started.

He took over a team that had barely won a game between 2004 and 2007. We were totally reliant on Johnny Doyle because Dermot Earley was perennially injured. He probably did take over at an opportune time because there were some good players breaking through back then from a few good u21 teams - the 2004 team won Leinster, 2005 lost the Leinster Final to Dublin after a replay, 2006 beat Dublin in the Leinster Championship and the 2008 team reached the All Ireland losing to Kerry in the final. He moulded that group of players into a competitive outfit between 2008 and 2011 and looking back he probably did get the best out of them.

Kildare hadn't reached a 1/4 Final before 2008 and they had only won three qualifiers since they were introduced in 2001 - (Donegal in 2001, Cavan in 2006, Roscommon in 2007). Between 2008 and 2013, Kildare reached the 1/4 Finals in all but the final year and they only lost one qualifier in those six years. People will say they didn't beat a big team or win a Leinster Championship which is correct but I would be hard pushed to pick out any match against a big team during that period which Kildare should have won. Generally they played well but just weren't good enough.

Joe Brolly says that "Kildare created the opportunity to win big games and then blew it," highlighting the Down 1/2 Final in 2010 and the Donegal 1/4 Final in 2011. Looking back at the Down game, Kildare were well behind for most of it after Benny Coulter's goal. They clawed their way back into it and almost snatched it at the death - they were never really in a position to win that game. The Donegal game was different but Joe is incorrect to say they were four points up in extra time. Unfortunately we never managed to get that fourth point which would have probably put us out of sight despite having a few opportunities. Each wide we kicked seemed to sap the energy out of them and give Donegal hope. It probably doesn't suit Joe's argument to mention that Donegal went three up with ten minutes to go in normal time after Christy Toye goaled and that Kildare scrapped out a draw kicking the last three points. Had Tomas O'Connor's goal early in the second half stood Kildare would have probably won comfortably. They had played for four consecutive weeks in the qualifiers and were shagged by the second period of extra time. The only other game during that period which Kildare lost narrowly was also in 2011 against Dublin. Again Kildare were never really in a position to win it and only found themselves close by sticking at it despite being outplayed for a lot of the game.

I was never as big a fan of McGeeney as some people within Kildare but it's hard to crab what he achieved with the team between 2008 and 2011. The Johnston circus was a serious error of judgement which turned a lot of GAA people in the county against him. 2012 and 2013 were turbulent but even after he was ousted in 2013 the players were still 100% behind him. Throughout his reign there were very few lads who opted out. Contrast that to 2014 and 2015 under Jason Ryan when there were players dropping like flies left right and centre. His team was fiercely committed and rarely failed to leave it all out there on the field.  He had his tactical limitations but I do know that the Kildare lads rated him very highly as a motivator and a man manager. Joe's article is wide of the mark in that respect. If he didn't believe in those players, he did a great job of conning them into thinking that he had belief in them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2016, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.
brolly's talents are more suited to media work. He is one of the best GAA writers
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
As an Armagh man I am pleased to read that summary. At the minute I feel he is at a crossroads with Armagh. He was unlucky in that he took over Armagh when they had their best run in quite a while in the championship. Division 3 football really hindered development for the championship. He has also lost key players in Caolan Rafferty, Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke through (probably) no fault of his own. There have also been bad injuries to McKeever, Donaghy and Dyas. In many respects he has been trying to develop a new team with very few experienced heads to help guide them. In the league Armagh were awful against Meath and Laois and never turned up against a fairly good Cavan team. Things turned too late but signs of improvement are there. In this respect playing Division 3 next year could be a disaster next year. The championship performances this year may decide if Brolly has a point or not.

I also see it posted again here that he bankrupted Kildare. In my opinion a manager cannot do this. If a county cannot afford something it is up to the finance committee to ensure the money is not spent. Proper systems need to be in place to control spending. The manager should not be able to authorise spending. I do not know what the finances in Kildare were like but if they did struggle financially the problem would extend further that the team manager.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

I doubt if Brolly's career would allow him enough time off to be an inter county manager or selector. M'lud wouldn't be terribly impressed, if Brolly had to scarper in the middle of a trial, as he had an U21 game to attend, or he had to prep for a trip to Croke Park.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

I doubt if Brolly's career would allow him enough time off to be an inter county manager or selector. M'lud wouldn't be terribly impressed, if Brolly had to scarper in the middle of a trial, as he had an U21 game to attend, or he had to prep for a trip to Croke Park.

That'll be the reason then!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
It may be, or it may not be. I just think its unfair to accuse someone of lacking the balls/bottle to be an inter county manager, without knowing what may be preventing them from being one. Some people have lives, careers, family obligations etc, that prevent them from being able to dedicate the time necessary for the job. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
It may be, or it may not be. I just think its unfair to accuse someone of lacking the balls/bottle to be an inter county manager, without knowing what may be preventing them from being one. Some people have lives, careers, family obligations etc, that prevent them from being able to dedicate the time necessary for the job.

Yep I agree it would unfair to criticise Joe as he is always very sensitive to the personal circumstances of others in his media ramblings. Hopefully some day when his personal circumstances change he can take an underperforming Derry to the AI title and show Geezer what it takes to turn your home county around.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 11, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 07:35:47 PM

I also see it posted again here that he bankrupted Kildare. In my opinion a manager cannot do this. If a county cannot afford something it is up to the finance committee to ensure the money is not spent. Proper systems need to be in place to control spending. The manager should not be able to authorise spending. I do not know what the finances in Kildare were like but if they did struggle financially the problem would extend further that the team manager.

He was spending more than what was coming in up until 2011 but Kildare were also hindered hugely by the development of Hawkfield. If anything he was a top class fund raiser for the county.
There was also poor financial practices at county board level as can be seen in the the incredible increase in gate receipts ever since a ticketing system has been introduced for club games.

Overall I'd agree with much of what Donnelly's Hollow states about his reign in Kildare, for some of the mistakes he made (e.g. SJ, Alan Barry being put in charge of the U21's, Carew's ill advised media briefings and a few others) overall most Kildare people with a bit of common sense would agree that he did a good job. Not too many Kildare managers in history you can say that about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
It may be, or it may not be. I just think its unfair to accuse someone of lacking the balls/bottle to be an inter county manager, without knowing what may be preventing them from being one. Some people have lives, careers, family obligations etc, that prevent them from being able to dedicate the time necessary for the job.

Yep I agree it would unfair to criticise Joe as he is always very sensitive to the personal circumstances of others in his media ramblings. Hopefully some day when his personal circumstances change he can take an underperforming Derry to the AI title and show Kieran what it takes to turn your home county around.

Ah, but two wrongs don't make a right, as your Mammy used to tell you. Brolly is bang out of order with all the personal digs that he makes. I am not going to lower myself to his level, by getting in personal digs of my own.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
As an Armagh man I am pleased to read that summary. At the minute I feel he is at a crossroads with Armagh. He was unlucky in that he took over Armagh when they had their best run in quite a while in the championship. Division 3 football really hindered development for the championship. He has also lost key players in Caolan Rafferty, Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke through (probably) no fault of his own. There have also been bad injuries to McKeever, Donaghy and Dyas. In many respects he has been trying to develop a new team with very few experienced heads to help guide them. In the league Armagh were awful against Meath and Laois and never turned up against a fairly good Cavan team. Things turned too late but signs of improvement are there. In this respect playing Division 3 next year could be a disaster next year. The championship performances this year may decide if Brolly has a point or not.

I also see it posted again here that he bankrupted Kildare. In my opinion a manager cannot do this. If a county cannot afford something it is up to the finance committee to ensure the money is not spent. Proper systems need to be in place to control spending. The manager should not be able to authorise spending. I do not know what the finances in Kildare were like but if they did struggle financially the problem would extend further that the team manager.
I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 11, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:36:33 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 05, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2016, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 05, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
The article is pretty much spot on but I would have difficulty in believing a Derry man shouted for Tyrone ever.

Maybe it was Joe doing it to wind up Spillane and smelly Colm
Of course there's good will from most Ulster folk towards Tyrone in the circumstance of an AI final.

It's just some  Tyronies don't have the grace to recognise or acknowledge the good will gesture. ;D

Unbelievable! You have a serious problem! 🙈
problem??
I'm not the pervert stalker from Tyrone.

Ive been recognising the contribution from Monaghan for a long time, the flags, bunting and receptions are all very welcome. Then in return we send you a few coaching personnel

Its a good relationship, kind of like a dog and his master... you eat the scraps from our table and in return your worship the ground we walk on.
I'll have you know, I once gave the clenched fist of victory salute outside Riverdale hotel Ballybay  to a car load of Tyronies passing by, returning from Croke Park August '86,
late evening.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 11, 2016, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
It is such a shame that Brolly personalizes things to the degree that he does. I just switch off when he does that. I imagine others do too. Why some former players find it very hard to succeed as managers is a fascinating subject. It deserves proper exploration. Brolly is just not capable of doing it, without getting the cheap digs in, which detracts a lot from the over all points he is trying to make.

To turn it around - who was the worst footballer to be a great manager?
Have there been any decent managers who were godawful footballers?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: naka on April 11, 2016, 10:07:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
As an Armagh man I am pleased to read that summary. At the minute I feel he is at a crossroads with Armagh. He was unlucky in that he took over Armagh when they had their best run in quite a while in the championship. Division 3 football really hindered development for the championship. He has also lost key players in Caolan Rafferty, Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke through (probably) no fault of his own. There have also been bad injuries to McKeever, Donaghy and Dyas. In many respects he has been trying to develop a new team with very few experienced heads to help guide them. In the league Armagh were awful against Meath and Laois and never turned up against a fairly good Cavan team. Things turned too late but signs of improvement are there. In this respect playing Division 3 next year could be a disaster next year. The championship performances this year may decide if Brolly has a point or not.

I also see it posted again here that he bankrupted Kildare. In my opinion a manager cannot do this. If a county cannot afford something it is up to the finance committee to ensure the money is not spent. Proper systems need to be in place to control spending. The manager should not be able to authorise spending. I do not know what the finances in Kildare were like but if they did struggle financially the problem would extend further that the team manager.
I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year

A hatchet job by Brolly
Have been at all Armagh games over the past number of years
We have had some turn over in playing staff
I would say that at last we seem to have a style and youth playing for the team
As long as we don't have a disaster in Cavan
I would say we are heading in the right direction
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 11, 2016, 10:11:38 PM
Yeah it seems like he even knows what people are thinking now

Physic Powers on top of everything else eh? Is there no end to this mans talent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on April 11, 2016, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

Agreed. None of himself, O'Rourke & Spillane, not one of them have managed at any decent level and between them they haven't played intercounty in ~70 years. Time to send the three of the them on their merry way
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 11, 2016, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 11, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
As an Armagh man I am pleased to read that summary. At the minute I feel he is at a crossroads with Armagh. He was unlucky in that he took over Armagh when they had their best run in quite a while in the championship. Division 3 football really hindered development for the championship. He has also lost key players in Caolan Rafferty, Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke through (probably) no fault of his own. There have also been bad injuries to McKeever, Donaghy and Dyas. In many respects he has been trying to develop a new team with very few experienced heads to help guide them. In the league Armagh were awful against Meath and Laois and never turned up against a fairly good Cavan team. Things turned too late but signs of improvement are there. In this respect playing Division 3 next year could be a disaster next year. The championship performances this year may decide if Brolly has a point or not.

I also see it posted again here that he bankrupted Kildare. In my opinion a manager cannot do this. If a county cannot afford something it is up to the finance committee to ensure the money is not spent. Proper systems need to be in place to control spending. The manager should not be able to authorise spending. I do not know what the finances in Kildare were like but if they did struggle financially the problem would extend further that the team manager.
I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year
We do have the strength in depth to register a score in the second half in Navan.
We do have the strength to beat a very poor Laois team. We certainly have the strength in depth to put some sort of performance against them.
We have the strength in depth to have the basics of a kick out strategy in the first half of a league season
We have the strength in depth to batten down the hatches to limit the damage against Cavan
We have the strength in depth to put up a score against Fermanagh
We have the strength in depth to survive in Division 2
We have the strength in depth to have an attacking plan.

Its doubtful yet that we have passed the last test, certainly against packed defences but we have definitively failed all the other tests. Added to this bloody problem of taking off the forward who is making the run instead of the player who is mis-hitting or failing to hit at the all the pass. 

Measured against the best we do not have the resources but we are under-performing with our current resources. The idea that we don't have the resources should not be allowed to deflect attention from the real problems in Armagh football and with the current management.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 11, 2016, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 11, 2016, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

Agreed. None of himself, O'Rourke & Spillane, not one of them have managed at any decent level and between them they haven't played intercounty in ~70 years. Time to send the three of the them on their merry way

We seem very keen to throw managerial jobs at individuals based upon their playing careers. But less so with media roles.

Brolly is the best writer on the game at the moment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on April 11, 2016, 11:07:41 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 11, 2016, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 11, 2016, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

Agreed. None of himself, O'Rourke & Spillane, not one of them have managed at any decent level and between them they haven't played intercounty in ~70 years. Time to send the three of the them on their merry way

We seem very keen to throw managerial jobs at individuals based upon their playing careers. But less so with media roles.

Brolly is the best writer on the game at the moment.

Point taken - they'd probably be sh*te managers as well. I think it's valid to point out that they speak / write about something they have never done; as you say managing and playing are completely different

Brolly is the best writer on the game? Is that you Joe? You'd find more insight on hoganstand ffs
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 11, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
Brolly is an excellent writer. His use of language is eloquent and very readable. His analysis is embarrassingly inept given a man of his connections and playing experience.

Almost without exception his articles are conjecture with little or no research behind them so he manufactures material to fill the gaps.

His articles always have one of two agendas - either to create controversy and attract attention or to attack someone / something / teams based on some personal position.

Entertaining and articulate, yes. Informative or insightful? Never ever.

PS Armagh lads using this as a basis for a discussion around the senior team development should be removed from our genepool.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 11, 2016, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
I can't speak for Armagh but from a Kildare viewpoint I would say McGeeney did very well for about four out of the six years he was here. Things went downhill in 2012 when the team started to break apart which 'coincidentally' was around the same time that the Johnston saga started.

He took over a team that had barely won a game between 2004 and 2007. We were totally reliant on Johnny Doyle because Dermot Earley was perennially injured. He probably did take over at an opportune time because there were some good players breaking through back then from a few good u21 teams - the 2004 team won Leinster, 2005 lost the Leinster Final to Dublin after a replay, 2006 beat Dublin in the Leinster Championship and the 2008 team reached the All Ireland losing to Kerry in the final. He moulded that group of players into a competitive outfit between 2008 and 2011 and looking back he probably did get the best out of them.

Kildare hadn't reached a 1/4 Final before 2008 and they had only won three qualifiers since they were introduced in 2001 - (Donegal in 2001, Cavan in 2006, Roscommon in 2007). Between 2008 and 2013, Kildare reached the 1/4 Finals in all but the final year and they only lost one qualifier in those six years. People will say they didn't beat a big team or win a Leinster Championship which is correct but I would be hard pushed to pick out any match against a big team during that period which Kildare should have won. Generally they played well but just weren't good enough.

Joe Brolly says that "Kildare created the opportunity to win big games and then blew it," highlighting the Down 1/2 Final in 2010 and the Donegal 1/4 Final in 2011. Looking back at the Down game, Kildare were well behind for most of it after Benny Coulter's goal. They clawed their way back into it and almost snatched it at the death - they were never really in a position to win that game. The Donegal game was different but Joe is incorrect to say they were four points up in extra time. Unfortunately we never managed to get that fourth point which would have probably put us out of sight despite having a few opportunities. Each wide we kicked seemed to sap the energy out of them and give Donegal hope. It probably doesn't suit Joe's argument to mention that Donegal went three up with ten minutes to go in normal time after Christy Toye goaled and that Kildare scrapped out a draw kicking the last three points. Had Tomas O'Connor's goal early in the second half stood Kildare would have probably won comfortably. They had played for four consecutive weeks in the qualifiers and were shagged by the second period of extra time. The only other game during that period which Kildare lost narrowly was also in 2011 against Dublin. Again Kildare were never really in a position to win it and only found themselves close by sticking at it despite being outplayed for a lot of the game.

I was never as big a fan of McGeeney as some people within Kildare but it's hard to crab what he achieved with the team between 2008 and 2011. The Johnston circus was a serious error of judgement which turned a lot of GAA people in the county against him. 2012 and 2013 were turbulent but even after he was ousted in 2013 the players were still 100% behind him. Throughout his reign there were very few lads who opted out. Contrast that to 2014 and 2015 under Jason Ryan when there were players dropping like flies left right and centre. His team was fiercely committed and rarely failed to leave it all out there on the field.  He had his tactical limitations but I do know that the Kildare lads rated him very highly as a motivator and a man manager. Joe's article is wide of the mark in that respect. If he didn't believe in those players, he did a great job of conning them into thinking that he had belief in them.

Should have beaten Dublin in the 2009 Leinster Final. We scored 18 points all from play, Pat McEneaney was referee was so needless to say we couldn't buy a free, brutal starts in both halves as well didn't help. Dublin and their goals though, that's what Kildare teams fail to do, stop Dublin scoring goals..

I was a fan of McGeeney, turned Kildare into a proper championship team, got the most out those players, senior team costs were a factor in Kildare's financial woes buy only one among a host of issues. Suits people to spin that McGeeney was the cause.

Listened to Brolly's interview, he's just a bullshitter. He claimed journalists were afraid of McGeeney, Hogan pulls him up on it and he backs off giving some yarn about Paddy Heaney wanting to go toe to toe with McGeeney. Joe Brolly in a nutshell, a story teller no more no less.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 11, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.

Would agree with that. Joes objective is always to entertain first and to give insight second. He usually achieves both.
Amidst all the silliness he regularly raises some brilliant points and articulately dissects them with ease. Regardless of what you think of him, I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy watching/listening to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on April 11, 2016, 11:59:32 PM
Joe says a lot of that there can be no arguement.  Occasionally he makes valid points but the vast majority of what he says could be shovelled up and put around the rhubarb. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: ck on April 11, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.

Would agree with that. Joes objective is always to entertain first and to give insight second. He usually achieves both.
Amidst all the silliness he regularly raises some brilliant points and articulately dissects them with ease. Regardless of what you think of him, I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy watching/listening to him.

What would be his brilliant point in the McGeeney article?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 12, 2016, 12:17:26 AM
I just wish he'd stick to the analysis and opinion of the games that I am watching, the players, the managers, even the state of the GAA itself. If he has a strong opinion one way or another, that is fine.  I don't care if I don't agree with him. I'm getting increasingly tired of column after column, where its anecdote after anecdote. None of which I believe for a second. Is it just me, or is he doing more and more of that kind of thing and not writing about the games themselves? It's like he is a poor mans Billy Keane at this stage & that's really saying something.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 12, 2016, 12:52:35 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 11, 2016, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
I can't speak for Armagh but from a Kildare viewpoint I would say McGeeney did very well for about four out of the six years he was here. Things went downhill in 2012 when the team started to break apart which 'coincidentally' was around the same time that the Johnston saga started.

He took over a team that had barely won a game between 2004 and 2007. We were totally reliant on Johnny Doyle because Dermot Earley was perennially injured. He probably did take over at an opportune time because there were some good players breaking through back then from a few good u21 teams - the 2004 team won Leinster, 2005 lost the Leinster Final to Dublin after a replay, 2006 beat Dublin in the Leinster Championship and the 2008 team reached the All Ireland losing to Kerry in the final. He moulded that group of players into a competitive outfit between 2008 and 2011 and looking back he probably did get the best out of them.

Kildare hadn't reached a 1/4 Final before 2008 and they had only won three qualifiers since they were introduced in 2001 - (Donegal in 2001, Cavan in 2006, Roscommon in 2007). Between 2008 and 2013, Kildare reached the 1/4 Finals in all but the final year and they only lost one qualifier in those six years. People will say they didn't beat a big team or win a Leinster Championship which is correct but I would be hard pushed to pick out any match against a big team during that period which Kildare should have won. Generally they played well but just weren't good enough.

Joe Brolly says that "Kildare created the opportunity to win big games and then blew it," highlighting the Down 1/2 Final in 2010 and the Donegal 1/4 Final in 2011. Looking back at the Down game, Kildare were well behind for most of it after Benny Coulter's goal. They clawed their way back into it and almost snatched it at the death - they were never really in a position to win that game. The Donegal game was different but Joe is incorrect to say they were four points up in extra time. Unfortunately we never managed to get that fourth point which would have probably put us out of sight despite having a few opportunities. Each wide we kicked seemed to sap the energy out of them and give Donegal hope. It probably doesn't suit Joe's argument to mention that Donegal went three up with ten minutes to go in normal time after Christy Toye goaled and that Kildare scrapped out a draw kicking the last three points. Had Tomas O'Connor's goal early in the second half stood Kildare would have probably won comfortably. They had played for four consecutive weeks in the qualifiers and were shagged by the second period of extra time. The only other game during that period which Kildare lost narrowly was also in 2011 against Dublin. Again Kildare were never really in a position to win it and only found themselves close by sticking at it despite being outplayed for a lot of the game.

I was never as big a fan of McGeeney as some people within Kildare but it's hard to crab what he achieved with the team between 2008 and 2011. The Johnston circus was a serious error of judgement which turned a lot of GAA people in the county against him. 2012 and 2013 were turbulent but even after he was ousted in 2013 the players were still 100% behind him. Throughout his reign there were very few lads who opted out. Contrast that to 2014 and 2015 under Jason Ryan when there were players dropping like flies left right and centre. His team was fiercely committed and rarely failed to leave it all out there on the field.  He had his tactical limitations but I do know that the Kildare lads rated him very highly as a motivator and a man manager. Joe's article is wide of the mark in that respect. If he didn't believe in those players, he did a great job of conning them into thinking that he had belief in them.

Should have beaten Dublin in the 2009 Leinster Final. We scored 18 points all from play, Pat McEneaney was referee was so needless to say we couldn't buy a free, brutal starts in both halves as well didn't help. Dublin and their goals though, that's what Kildare teams fail to do, stop Dublin scoring goals..

I was a fan of McGeeney, turned Kildare into a proper championship team, got the most out those players, senior team costs were a factor in Kildare's financial woes buy only one among a host of issues. Suits people to spin that McGeeney was the cause.

Listened to Brolly's interview, he's just a bullshitter. He claimed journalists were afraid of McGeeney, Hogan pulls him up on it and he backs off giving some yarn about Paddy Heaney wanting to go toe to toe with McGeeney. Joe Brolly in a nutshell, a story teller no more no less.

I don't know about that to be honest. We played some great stuff for about twenty minutes of the first half that day after a nightmare start but we had leveled it up by the time Ger Brennan was shown the line and we struggled in the second half from my memory of it. Corley insisted on driving kickouts down the middle despite Mikey Conway being free as the spare man and we lost Johnny for a good spell after he shipped a dirty belt and his head was probably still spinning when he came back on. The difference between the two teams that day was Brogan who was cuter at winning frees than our lads and more composed in front of the posts. Tyrone in the 2009 1/4 Final was a similar story now that I remember it.

Totally agree about being a proper championship team for the most part under McGeeney. For all that team's shortcomings they were relentless and hard to beat up until 2012. Most counties supporters outside of the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone would settle for that at the current point in time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on April 12, 2016, 12:58:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: ck on April 11, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.

Would agree with that. Joes objective is always to entertain first and to give insight second. He usually achieves both.
Amidst all the silliness he regularly raises some brilliant points and articulately dissects them with ease. Regardless of what you think of him, I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy watching/listening to him.

What would be his brilliant point in the McGeeney article?

Well as I said, more often than not, certainly not all the time. Again, if you take away all the nonsense and summarise the article in a couple of lines perhaps its focusing on Geezer's approach. Perhaps his man management skills aren't there. Not everybody shares his obsession for the game, as we seen even at club level with Jamie Clarke on the Cross documentary. Even at club level the enjoyment of the game he grew up with has completely gone. Times that by 10 for county football. Not everybody finds it as easy to buy in to the professionalism. I think there needs to be a step back from that approach, which is difficult obviously as if you do that then you'll fall behind.  I'm basing this on assumptions but perhaps he's not suited to managing a large bunch of lads that all need handled in different ways.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2016, 06:01:24 AM
Brolly's point is that for all his huffing and puffing McGeeney should get better results than "we weren't good enough". WWGE covers up multiple dysfunction including tactical weakness. WWGE is only acceptable if a team can learn from it and kick on. Did McGeeney leave Kildare in a healthy state? Maybe he stayed on too long.

Championship matches are often decided on wafer thin margins and management is about tweaking things so a higher percentage of those margins go the team's way. A lot of it comes down to psychology.
I don't get the impression McGeeney is very good at plámás.  Jim Having is.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2016, 06:04:49 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 12, 2016, 12:17:26 AM
I just wish he'd stick to the analysis and opinion of the games that I am watching, the players, the managers, even the state of the GAA itself. If he has a strong opinion one way or another, that is fine.  I don't care if I don't agree with him. I'm getting increasingly tired of column after column, where its anecdote after anecdote. None of which I believe for a second. Is it just me, or is he doing more and more of that kind of thing and not writing about the games themselves? It's like he is a poor mans Billy Keane at this stage & that's really saying something.  ::)

Eugene McGeeney said recently a lot of GAA journalism is shite.  People will read anything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM

I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year

Out of the 6 teams that Tyrone played in AI Series last year I think a Kieran McGeeney Armagh side would lose to 4 or possibly 5 of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2016, 10:45:52 AM
Brolly manages his clubs U16s. He's paid to give an opinion - get over it!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM
I'd agree with the general Kildare consensus above that McGeeney did a very good job with Kildare up until the SJ Affair, after which it all went a bit pear shaped, by coincidence or not.

That quarter-final against Donegal was a great game that could have gone either way. For Joe to say that he knew Kildare would blow it when they were 3 or 4 points up in extra time is just complete bull. If it was Donegal who lost, he'd be saying he knew they were going to blow it, as they weren't regarded as mentally strong at that stage either. But Brolly is one of these that thinks whoever wins is mentally strong and whoever loses is mentally weak.

Kildare and Donegal went at it for 90 minutes and Donegal won it with a wonder point. If it had ended 5 minutes earlier, Kildare would have won. If there was another 5 minutes, who knows how it would have gone. As a Dub fan waiting for the winner in the semi, I wasn't sorry to see Donegal win, even though we'd a good record against that Kildare team.

A key question for Kildare is why have the trajectories of both teams gone in opposite directions since that day, when they were pretty much equal.

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 12, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 12, 2016, 12:17:26 AM
I just wish he'd stick to the analysis and opinion of the games that I am watching, the players, the managers, even the state of the GAA itself. If he has a strong opinion one way or another, that is fine.  I don't care if I don't agree with him. I'm getting increasingly tired of column after column, where its anecdote after anecdote. None of which I believe for a second. Is it just me, or is he doing more and more of that kind of thing and not writing about the games themselves? It's like he is a poor mans Billy Keane at this stage & that's really saying something.  ::)

Ah now...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 12, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
QuoteA key question for Kildare is why have the trajectories of both teams gone in opposite directions since that day, when they were pretty much equal.

The SJ saga and McGeeney's removal by the clubs and how it was handled.
Finance
Group of players who finally couldn't pick themselves off the floor, they were punch drunk. Injuries/Retirements as well.
Poor u21 management
Jason Ryan

Donegal have plateaued now as well I think, will find it harder to generate finance which affects preparation, players have given so much, harder and harder to go back to the well. And Gallagher, doesn't convince me at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on April 12, 2016, 01:02:43 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
So you'd have been happy to say he's doing an alright job if Tyrone had beaten Fermanagh on the last day or if Derry and Meath had not drawn the previous week?

They finished joint 4th in a tight division where 7 of the 8 teams were all capable of beating each other. It was a bit of a freak that one of the four teams on 6 points went down, and Armagh happened to be the unlucky one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 01:02:43 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
So you'd have been happy to say he's doing an alright job if Tyrone had beaten Fermanagh on the last day or if Derry and Meath had not drawn the previous week?

They finished joint 4th in a tight division where 7 of the 8 teams were all capable of beating each other. It was a bit of a freak that one of the four teams on 6 points went down, and Armagh happened to be the unlucky one.

Yes I would still be saying this - I think Armagh are under performing and I'm just using the fact they ended up in Div 3 as illustration of this even if you don't think they deserved to go down - they did!

Do you honestly think he doesn't have much to work with like you said earlier?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 12, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: ck on April 11, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.

Would agree with that. Joes objective is always to entertain first and to give insight second. He usually achieves both.
Amidst all the silliness he regularly raises some brilliant points and articulately dissects them with ease. Regardless of what you think of him, I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy watching/listening to him.

What would be his brilliant point in the McGeeney article?

I didn't read the article but listened to the radio piece. His analysis of McGeeney I thought was pretty insightful. The man lived as a monk as a player and strived to be the best he could be. The same demands can be made as a manager but when some of your players don't buy into that then it takes more skill to get them on same path. (Man management) I'd guess that McGeeney is lacking in this area? This was Brollys point, which I think was a solid one.
Perhaps McGeeney would be a better No.2 than a manager?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 12, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
It is what it is. I can't think of any manager in Ireland who would get much better out of Armagh right now. The main players from 09 haven't really kicked on ie Murnin  (constantly injured) and Tasker  (not interested/good enough) McKenna (personality clash? N/a) McVerry  (not good enough). The only two players from that batch are McParland and Campbell (who wasn't on the 09 AI winning team) who will play any major role this year. The 2007 u21 team is essentially a write off at this stage can only think of Forker, Hanratty, James Lavery, Kieran Toner and Brendan Donaghy that ever made it to senior. That said Forker is a brilliant player as is Donaghy when fit. The story with cross is well documented, their best players don't want to know and the ones that are able for county football (imo) are much of a muchness with what is already there in the rest of the county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 12, 2016, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: ck on April 11, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 11, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm sure everybody knows at this stage that the vast majority of Joe's columns can be taken with a pinch of salt.  However if you look hard enough, remove the anecdotes and condensed his article into one or two paragraphs, most of the time he does have a valid point. He prefers the dramatics in his delivery, but for me hits the nail on the head more often than not.

Would agree with that. Joes objective is always to entertain first and to give insight second. He usually achieves both.
Amidst all the silliness he regularly raises some brilliant points and articulately dissects them with ease. Regardless of what you think of him, I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy watching/listening to him.

What would be his brilliant point in the McGeeney article?

I didn't read the article but listened to the radio piece. His analysis of McGeeney I thought was pretty insightful. The man lived as a monk as a player and strived to be the best he could be. The same demands can be made as a manager but when some of your players don't buy into that then it takes more skill to get them on same path. (Man management) I'd guess that McGeeney is lacking in this area? This was Brollys point, which I think was a solid one.
Perhaps McGeeney would be a better No.2 than a manager?

Him and Roy Keane have a lot of very similar traits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 12, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM

I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year

Out of the 6 teams that Tyrone played in AI Series last year I think a Kieran McGeeney Armagh side would lose to 4 or possibly 5 of them.

Armagh would beat Limerick, Tipperary, Sligo and the Meath game would be 50/50!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 12, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM

I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year

Out of the 6 teams that Tyrone played in AI Series last year I think a Kieran McGeeney Armagh side would lose to 4 or possibly 5 of them.

Armagh would beat Limerick, Tipperary, Sligo and the Meath game would be 50/50!!

I don't think they would beat Meath

I think they would beat limerick and the other two are 50/50
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on April 12, 2016, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
It is what it is. I can't think of any manager in Ireland who would get much better out of Armagh right now. The main players from 09 haven't really kicked on ie Murnin  (constantly injured) and Tasker  (not interested/good enough) McKenna (personality clash? N/a) McVerry  (not good enough). The only two players from that batch are McParland and Campbell (who wasn't on the 09 AI winning team) who will play any major role this year. The 2007 u21 team is essentially a write off at this stage can only think of Forker, Hanratty, James Lavery, Kieran Toner and Brendan Donaghy that ever made it to senior. That said Forker is a brilliant player as is Donaghy when fit. The story with cross is well documented, their best players don't want to know and the ones that are able for county football (imo) are much of a muchness with what is already there in the rest of the county.

Maybe I'm missing something; but what exactly is the reason the Crossmaglen players don't play for the county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 12, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 12, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 11, 2016, 08:08:21 PM

I'd agree with that. McGeeney gets a he'll of a lot of flak in Armagh when people fail to realise we have a very limited squad. Even if Armagh had a full deck to chose from, barring a Down 2010/Tyrone 2015  draw they'd be doing well to reach an AI QF this year. We don't have the same strength in depth that other counties have so even in the league this year a lot of stop gaps were put in and only towards the end did we see some improvement. This of course goes way over the head of some of the drama Queens that follow the team and you only need to read the county website forum to see the outrageous nature of some of the comments eg "worst performance ever seen on a football field" etc just because they got a tanking. Division 3 is a step in the wrong direction but not the end of the world; I'd expect it to be another temporary stay. McGeeney has brought in a lot of youth into the side, not sure he's the type of man you want giving fellas their first chance but then again it is what it is for now, I'm happy enough so long as we don't see a repeat of Donegal/Galway from last year

Out of the 6 teams that Tyrone played in AI Series last year I think a Kieran McGeeney Armagh side would lose to 4 or possibly 5 of them.

Armagh would beat Limerick, Tipperary, Sligo and the Meath game would be 50/50!!

I don't think they would beat Meath

I think they would beat limerick and the other two are 50/50

Tipperary and Sligo just about missed out on relegation from Division 3 . . . what is your basis for these being 50/50 matches for Armagh?

I think Armagh improved throughout the league and suffered early doors with injuries and were hard done by to be relegated. I think there's a glut of teams like Derry, Cavan, Meath, Armagh, Fermanagh, Down, Kildare, Clare all capable of beating eachother on any given day! Teams like Sligo, Tipperary etc. are just a step below that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
Tipp beat Clare this year!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 12, 2016, 02:35:25 PM

Tipperary and Sligo just about missed out on relegation from Division 3 . . . what is your basis for these being 50/50 matches for Armagh?

I think Armagh improved throughout the league and suffered early doors with injuries and were hard done by to be relegated. I think there's a glut of teams like Derry, Cavan, Meath, Armagh, Fermanagh, Down, Kildare, Clare all capable of beating eachother on any given day! Teams like Sligo, Tipperary etc. are just a step below that.

I'm basing on the fact that all 3 are division 3 teams and the fact that I don't believe Cavan would beat Sligo or Tipperary by 17 points.

Armagh where beat at home in R2 of the qualifiers whereas Tipp made it further to R3 of the qualifiers and Sligo made it to R4 of the qualifiers.

My opinion is I think that McGeeney is a poor manager - I think if Joe Kernan or McEntee where in charge of this Armagh side they would not be strugglin in the championship or plying their trade in div 3.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!

Who said he is doing a great job? Even the guy you quoted only said an alright job
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great an alright job!

Who said he is doing a great job? Even the guy you quoted only said an alright job

Sorry I fixed it - my point still stands!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 12, 2016, 03:43:27 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 12, 2016, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great job!
It is what it is. I can't think of any manager in Ireland who would get much better out of Armagh right now. The main players from 09 haven't really kicked on ie Murnin  (constantly injured) and Tasker  (not interested/good enough) McKenna (personality clash? N/a) McVerry  (not good enough). The only two players from that batch are McParland and Campbell (who wasn't on the 09 AI winning team) who will play any major role this year. The 2007 u21 team is essentially a write off at this stage can only think of Forker, Hanratty, James Lavery, Kieran Toner and Brendan Donaghy that ever made it to senior. That said Forker is a brilliant player as is Donaghy when fit. The story with cross is well documented, their best players don't want to know and the ones that are able for county football (imo) are much of a muchness with what is already there in the rest of the county.

Maybe I'm missing something; but what exactly is the reason the Crossmaglen players don't play for the county?
Some are injured. Some have retired. Some don't want to. Some don't get selected.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 12, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

I doubt if Brolly's career would allow him enough time off to be an inter county manager or selector. M'lud wouldn't be terribly impressed, if Brolly had to scarper in the middle of a trial, as he had an U21 game to attend, or he had to prep for a trip to Croke Park.

That'll be the reason then!
Brolly's point is that being a good player and knowing what it takes to coach does not add up to being a good manager. Brolly is smart enough to know that coaching at a high level is not for him. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know what it takes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 12, 2016, 05:04:29 PM

It's interesting that no one seems to know what his point is. Despite the conjecture that there's always a point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 12, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 12, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

I doubt if Brolly's career would allow him enough time off to be an inter county manager or selector. M'lud wouldn't be terribly impressed, if Brolly had to scarper in the middle of a trial, as he had an U21 game to attend, or he had to prep for a trip to Croke Park.

That'll be the reason then!
Brolly's point is that being a good player and knowing what it takes to coach does not add up to being a good manager. Brolly is smart enough to know that coaching at a high level is not for him. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know what it takes.

Yes agree. Although it's more than Brolly being smart enough to know that coaching isn't for him. No team in their right mind would let Brolly near them. He's probably the opposite end of the scale to McGeeney and neither make a good coach or manager.
Although at least Brolly would be a bit of craic.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 05:30:07 PM
Joe doesn't react well to being told that he was an awful waste of talent.
I enjoyed the article "Joe's revenge" and I agree with his theme but not the evidence he uses to pin down  McGeeney with.

My memory of Kildare in those games against Donegal and Down fits with DH's and DB's recollections, both longstanding and  knowledgeable supporters.
What about the SJ affair? can the single interpretation that Joe takes (deep down McGeeney thinks you're shite) explain it all?
I doubt it.







Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 12, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Maybe McGeeney meant that because Joe clearly knows the best way to prepare teams and can easily point out every other managers failings that he is a wasted talent in terms of management because he hasn't had the balls to step up put himself forward for an intercounty panel himself! In that respect his indepth knowledge of intercounty management is clearly wasted.

I doubt if Brolly's career would allow him enough time off to be an inter county manager or selector. M'lud wouldn't be terribly impressed, if Brolly had to scarper in the middle of a trial, as he had an U21 game to attend, or he had to prep for a trip to Croke Park.

That'll be the reason then!
Brolly's point is that being a good player and knowing what it takes to coach does not add up to being a good manager. Brolly is smart enough to know that coaching at a high level is not for him. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know what it takes.

Ah come on it's hardly the most original and insightfull point to make that a good player doesn't necessarily make a good manager. The comparison with Roy Keane is as obvious as you could get but enabled him to tell a funny story. It's an entertaining read, just like his analyse on RTE is entertaining but don't confuse entertainment for insight. Take note of his analysis this year and count the amount of times he contradicts himself. He makes his stuff up as he goes along and fair play to him he's carved out a decent niche for himself, but because he's not taken seriously as a pundit he compensates with controversy.  I have no love for McGeeney but have total respect for the man as a footballer and fair play to him for putting his neck on the line taking on his own county when he knew they weren't at a level which would see them challenge for top honours any time soon. I'd respect that more than someone who criticises from the sidelines.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 11, 2016, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
I can't speak for Armagh but from a Kildare viewpoint I would say McGeeney did very well for about four out of the six years he was here. Things went downhill in 2012 when the team started to break apart which 'coincidentally' was around the same time that the Johnston saga started.

He took over a team that had barely won a game between 2004 and 2007. We were totally reliant on Johnny Doyle because Dermot Earley was perennially injured. He probably did take over at an opportune time because there were some good players breaking through back then from a few good u21 teams - the 2004 team won Leinster, 2005 lost the Leinster Final to Dublin after a replay, 2006 beat Dublin in the Leinster Championship and the 2008 team reached the All Ireland losing to Kerry in the final. He moulded that group of players into a competitive outfit between 2008 and 2011 and looking back he probably did get the best out of them.

Kildare hadn't reached a 1/4 Final before 2008 and they had only won three qualifiers since they were introduced in 2001 - (Donegal in 2001, Cavan in 2006, Roscommon in 2007). Between 2008 and 2013, Kildare reached the 1/4 Finals in all but the final year and they only lost one qualifier in those six years. People will say they didn't beat a big team or win a Leinster Championship which is correct but I would be hard pushed to pick out any match against a big team during that period which Kildare should have won. Generally they played well but just weren't good enough.

Joe Brolly says that "Kildare created the opportunity to win big games and then blew it," highlighting the Down 1/2 Final in 2010 and the Donegal 1/4 Final in 2011. Looking back at the Down game, Kildare were well behind for most of it after Benny Coulter's goal. They clawed their way back into it and almost snatched it at the death - they were never really in a position to win that game. The Donegal game was different but Joe is incorrect to say they were four points up in extra time. Unfortunately we never managed to get that fourth point which would have probably put us out of sight despite having a few opportunities. Each wide we kicked seemed to sap the energy out of them and give Donegal hope. It probably doesn't suit Joe's argument to mention that Donegal went three up with ten minutes to go in normal time after Christy Toye goaled and that Kildare scrapped out a draw kicking the last three points. Had Tomas O'Connor's goal early in the second half stood Kildare would have probably won comfortably. They had played for four consecutive weeks in the qualifiers and were shagged by the second period of extra time. The only other game during that period which Kildare lost narrowly was also in 2011 against Dublin. Again Kildare were never really in a position to win it and only found themselves close by sticking at it despite being outplayed for a lot of the game.

I was never as big a fan of McGeeney as some people within Kildare but it's hard to crab what he achieved with the team between 2008 and 2011. The Johnston circus was a serious error of judgement which turned a lot of GAA people in the county against him. 2012 and 2013 were turbulent but even after he was ousted in 2013 the players were still 100% behind him. Throughout his reign there were very few lads who opted out. Contrast that to 2014 and 2015 under Jason Ryan when there were players dropping like flies left right and centre. His team was fiercely committed and rarely failed to leave it all out there on the field.  He had his tactical limitations but I do know that the Kildare lads rated him very highly as a motivator and a man manager. Joe's article is wide of the mark in that respect. If he didn't believe in those players, he did a great job of conning them into thinking that he had belief in them.

Should have beaten Dublin in the 2009 Leinster Final. We scored 18 points all from play, Pat McEneaney was referee was so needless to say we couldn't buy a free, brutal starts in both halves as well didn't help. Dublin and their goals though, that's what Kildare teams fail to do, stop Dublin scoring goals..

I was a fan of McGeeney, turned Kildare into a proper championship team, got the most out those players, senior team costs were a factor in Kildare's financial woes buy only one among a host of issues. Suits people to spin that McGeeney was the cause.

Listened to Brolly's interview, he's just a bullshitter. He claimed journalists were afraid of McGeeney

You must be the first person who ever thought Kildare should've beaten 14 man Dublin that day.

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
...........

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Did you mean to write,  he invited John to step outside   as in "would you like to step outside and settle this?"

What an idiotic question to ask McGeeney, "would you confirm or deny ...... insert  some nonsense?"
Headline next day reads "McGeeny denies doing something which did not happen"


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 11, 2016, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 11, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
I can't speak for Armagh but from a Kildare viewpoint I would say McGeeney did very well for about four out of the six years he was here. Things went downhill in 2012 when the team started to break apart which 'coincidentally' was around the same time that the Johnston saga started.

He took over a team that had barely won a game between 2004 and 2007. We were totally reliant on Johnny Doyle because Dermot Earley was perennially injured. He probably did take over at an opportune time because there were some good players breaking through back then from a few good u21 teams - the 2004 team won Leinster, 2005 lost the Leinster Final to Dublin after a replay, 2006 beat Dublin in the Leinster Championship and the 2008 team reached the All Ireland losing to Kerry in the final. He moulded that group of players into a competitive outfit between 2008 and 2011 and looking back he probably did get the best out of them.

Kildare hadn't reached a 1/4 Final before 2008 and they had only won three qualifiers since they were introduced in 2001 - (Donegal in 2001, Cavan in 2006, Roscommon in 2007). Between 2008 and 2013, Kildare reached the 1/4 Finals in all but the final year and they only lost one qualifier in those six years. People will say they didn't beat a big team or win a Leinster Championship which is correct but I would be hard pushed to pick out any match against a big team during that period which Kildare should have won. Generally they played well but just weren't good enough.

Joe Brolly says that "Kildare created the opportunity to win big games and then blew it," highlighting the Down 1/2 Final in 2010 and the Donegal 1/4 Final in 2011. Looking back at the Down game, Kildare were well behind for most of it after Benny Coulter's goal. They clawed their way back into it and almost snatched it at the death - they were never really in a position to win that game. The Donegal game was different but Joe is incorrect to say they were four points up in extra time. Unfortunately we never managed to get that fourth point which would have probably put us out of sight despite having a few opportunities. Each wide we kicked seemed to sap the energy out of them and give Donegal hope. It probably doesn't suit Joe's argument to mention that Donegal went three up with ten minutes to go in normal time after Christy Toye goaled and that Kildare scrapped out a draw kicking the last three points. Had Tomas O'Connor's goal early in the second half stood Kildare would have probably won comfortably. They had played for four consecutive weeks in the qualifiers and were shagged by the second period of extra time. The only other game during that period which Kildare lost narrowly was also in 2011 against Dublin. Again Kildare were never really in a position to win it and only found themselves close by sticking at it despite being outplayed for a lot of the game.

I was never as big a fan of McGeeney as some people within Kildare but it's hard to crab what he achieved with the team between 2008 and 2011. The Johnston circus was a serious error of judgement which turned a lot of GAA people in the county against him. 2012 and 2013 were turbulent but even after he was ousted in 2013 the players were still 100% behind him. Throughout his reign there were very few lads who opted out. Contrast that to 2014 and 2015 under Jason Ryan when there were players dropping like flies left right and centre. His team was fiercely committed and rarely failed to leave it all out there on the field.  He had his tactical limitations but I do know that the Kildare lads rated him very highly as a motivator and a man manager. Joe's article is wide of the mark in that respect. If he didn't believe in those players, he did a great job of conning them into thinking that he had belief in them.

Should have beaten Dublin in the 2009 Leinster Final. We scored 18 points all from play, Pat McEneaney was referee was so needless to say we couldn't buy a free, brutal starts in both halves as well didn't help. Dublin and their goals though, that's what Kildare teams fail to do, stop Dublin scoring goals..

I was a fan of McGeeney, turned Kildare into a proper championship team, got the most out those players, senior team costs were a factor in Kildare's financial woes buy only one among a host of issues. Suits people to spin that McGeeney was the cause.

Listened to Brolly's interview, he's just a bullshitter. He claimed journalists were afraid of McGeeney

You must be the first person who ever thought Kildare should've beaten 14 man Dublin that day.

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.

He's not the first person to think that and I'd support Dublin against anyone bar Armagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great an alright job!

Who said he is doing a great job? Even the guy you quoted only said an alright job

Sorry I fixed it - my point still stands!

We were very unlucky to get relegated. As for the job he is doing I was very sceptical after Cavan but he does seem to have had a rethink regarding setting the team up and tactics. I will wait until the championship is over to judge.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 12, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 12, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Ah come on it's hardly the most original and insightfull point to make that a good player doesn't necessarily make a good manager. The comparison with Roy Keane is as obvious as you could get but enabled him to tell a funny story. It's an entertaining read, just like his analyse on RTE is entertaining but don't confuse entertainment for insight. Take note of his analysis this year and count the amount of times he contradicts himself. He makes his stuff up as he goes along and fair play to him he's carved out a decent niche for himself, but because he's not taken seriously as a pundit he compensates with controversy.  I have no love for McGeeney but have total respect for the man as a footballer and fair play to him for putting his neck on the line taking on his own county when he knew they weren't at a level which would see them challenge for top honours any time soon. I'd respect that more than someone who criticises from the sidelines.

Is that not a part of the problem though? People are not able or willing, to separate out the player from the manager. They are two entirely different things, that require two entirely different skill sets to be successful. You can't presume someone has one, if they have the other. 

Look at how quick Kerry were to cut Daragh O'Se loose, when it was clear he was not taking their U21's in the direction they needed to go. They couldn't care less about how much of a legend he was as a player. Will Armagh be able to make some tough decisions, if need be?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 12, 2016, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 12, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

McGeeney seems to me to be doing an alright job in Armagh. But you can only work with what you've got. They were unquestionably unlucky to get relegated, in what was a very even division. Laois have actually got as much talent as anyone in that division (bar the tyronies maybe) but have the worst manager probably in any division, and unfortunately for Armagh they chose that day for it all to come together.

I don't get this type of sentiment at all - Are people really saying a manager who has taken this team to division 3 is doing an okay job.

Also only work with what you have look at the last 10 years for Armagh teams:

2009 All Ireland Minor Winners (These lads should be peaking now at 24/25)
2007 U21 Ulster Champions (Some of these lads should still be making huge contributions 28-30)
Cross have 7 of the last 10 Ulster Club Championship titles

I just don't understand that a county with that behind them in recent times will be playing Longford and Sligo next year and people thinks McGeeneys doing a great an alright job!

Who said he is doing a great job? Even the guy you quoted only said an alright job

Sorry I fixed it - my point still stands!

We were very unlucky to get relegated. As for the job he is doing I was very sceptical after Cavan but he does seem to have had a rethink regarding setting the team up and tactics. I will wait until the championship is over to judge.
McGeeney getting a bad press but was unlucky to see his team relegated. A few months from now, he will be having the last laugh. Take out Brolly and he is very highly rated amongst the press pack.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 12, 2016, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
...........

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Did you mean to write,  he invited John to step outside   as in "would you like to step outside and settle this?"

What an idiotic question to ask McGeeney, "would you confirm or deny ...... insert  some nonsense?"
Headline next day reads "McGeeny denies doing something which did not happen"

This was after Supple had come out and publicly said that McGeeney had approached him so it was very much a valid question for a journalist to ask.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 12, 2016, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
...........

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Did you mean to write,  he invited John to step outside   as in "would you like to step outside and settle this?"

What an idiotic question to ask McGeeney, "would you confirm or deny ...... insert  some nonsense?"
Headline next day reads "McGeeny denies doing something which did not happen"

I posted here about six months previous that Supple was approached.

Supple was interviewed by John Fogarty around February 2012 after he dropped off the Dublin panel and claimed he was approached by Kildare in 2011 but flatly rejected them.

Fogarty asked McGeeney to comment on Supple's claims and according to John Fogarty's article in the Examiner, McGeeney asked him to step outside to sort it out. It's hardly nonsense - I was responding to Dinny's earlier claim about journalists allegedly feeling/being intimidated by McGeeney..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
Not often I find myself in agreement with Brolly but consider the facts.When Paddy O'Rourke took Over Armagh in 09 it was on the back of a disastrous season.He immediately won Div 2 of the NFL and took Armagh to round 4 of the qualifiers losing by three points to Dublin.

In Kieran Mc Geeney's first season,after losing by a point in the AI Qtr Final the previous season,we struggled to a lucky promotion from the mighty Div 3 and had a disastrous championship and have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on April 12, 2016, 10:58:07 PM
Since McGeeney took over between league and championship Armagh have played 17 games winning 9, drawing 2 and losing 6

The teams they beat were
Clare
Derry
Fermanagh (twice)
Limerick
Louth
Tipperary
Wexford
Wicklow

The teams they lost to were
Cavan
Donegal
Galway
Laois
Meath
Sligo

They teams they drew with were
Galway
Fermanagh

Looking at that they look every inch a Division 3 side.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 12, 2016, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 12, 2016, 09:56:31 PM
McGeeney getting a bad press but was unlucky to see his team relegated. A few months from now, he will be having the last laugh. Take out Brolly and he is very highly rated amongst the press pack.

They find him a fascinating character alright. All that famous intensity and drive and focus as a player, is still endlessly interesting, now that he is a manager. He is a larger than life figure, that everyone has an opinion on and wants to talk about and read about.....hence the media never taking their eye off him for very long.

That doesn't necessarily mean they rate him highly as a manager. I can't remember the last time I read an article praising his tactical ability, his over all success rate as a manager, or why he is as good (or better) a manager than any of the others out there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on April 13, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

While I think you're being a touch paranoid, I would guess there is a hefty percentage of the traditional GAA public who are a tad relieved that success requires good old fashioned skills, and this cannot be bypassed by extensive commitment and meticulous planning.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help

Lol thats the best excuse I've heard yet from Armagh - Tyrone screwed Armagh by fixing a draw!

Two best teams got promoted - two worst teams got relegated that's the way the system is designed - LIVE WITH IT!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help

Lol thats the best excuse I've heard yet from Armagh - Tyrone screwed Armagh by fixing a draw!

Two best teams got promoted - two worst teams got relegated that's the way the system is designed - LIVE WITH IT!
You sound very defensive there  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AFS on April 13, 2016, 11:04:53 AM
Fitting, in a thread entitled 'Joe Brolly', that a dominant theme of the last few pages has been people offering opinions unconstrained by little things like comprehension or insight.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 13, 2016, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help

Lol thats the best excuse I've heard yet from Armagh - Tyrone screwed Armagh by fixing a draw!

Two best teams got promoted - two worst teams got relegated that's the way the system is designed - LIVE WITH IT!

The relegation rules were that if 2 teams finished level it went on head to head, if more than 2 it was scoring difference. If the relegation had have been decided on a league basis between the teams that finished level then it would have been:

Armagh 4pts
Meath 3 pts
Derry 3 pts
Fermanagh 2 pts.

McGeeney and Armagh could be considered unlucky but to say that relegation proves Armagh were the second worst team in the league is inaccurate in my opinion. There was not a great deal between most of the teams in division 2.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
...........

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Did you mean to write,  he invited John to step outside   as in "would you like to step outside and settle this?"

What an idiotic question to ask McGeeney, "would you confirm or deny ...... insert  some nonsense?"
Headline next day reads "McGeeny denies doing something which did not happen"

I posted here about six months previous that Supple was approached.

Supple was interviewed by John Fogarty around February 2012 after he dropped off the Dublin panel and claimed he was approached by Kildare in 2011 but flatly rejected them.

Fogarty asked McGeeney to comment on Supple's claims and according to John Fogarty's article in the Examiner, McGeeney asked him to step outside to sort it out. It's hardly nonsense - I was responding to Dinny's earlier claim about journalists allegedly feeling/being intimidated by McGeeney..
Supple confirmed  shortly afterwards that it was not McGeeney.
When Fogarty  interviewed Supple in Feb 2012, he didn't do a very good job  before confronting McGeeney with the confirm or deny  question, did he?
And is Fogarty a reliable source when it comes to making allegations about  Kildare affairs?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 13, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 13, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
...........

Re: journalists being afraid of McGeeney, he asked John Fogarty outside at a press conference when he asked McGeeney to confirm/deny he'd approached Shane Supple to join up with Seanie.
Did you mean to write,  he invited John to step outside   as in "would you like to step outside and settle this?"

What an idiotic question to ask McGeeney, "would you confirm or deny ...... insert  some nonsense?"
Headline next day reads "McGeeny denies doing something which did not happen"

I posted here about six months previous that Supple was approached.

Supple was interviewed by John Fogarty around February 2012 after he dropped off the Dublin panel and claimed he was approached by Kildare in 2011 but flatly rejected them.

Fogarty asked McGeeney to comment on Supple's claims and according to John Fogarty's article in the Examiner, McGeeney asked him to step outside to sort it out. It's hardly nonsense - I was responding to Dinny's earlier claim about journalists allegedly feeling/being intimidated by McGeeney..
Supple confirmed  shortly afterwards that it was not McGeeney.
When Fogarty  interviewed Supple in Feb 2012, he didn't do a very good job  before confronting McGeeney with the confirm or deny  question, did he?
And is Fogarty a reliable source when it comes to making allegations about  Kildare affairs?

It never is the manager - he confirmed it was someone from the Kildare mgt - do you think it was McGeeney meeting Seanie J with the free apt keys and fake utility bills?

It was a fairly relevant question and 'au current' as it was in the midst of the SJ affair - I personally thought the question was fine.

I don't see any reason why Fogarty isn't a reliable person to 'make allegations' as you put it - I posted here in Nov 2011 about it as the approach was common knowledge and they weren't the only two players in the broader Leinster region approached either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 13, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
Do people here agree that the media appear to be afraid of McGeeney? It's a wider held view and mentioned a few times, what do people think? IMO McGeeney got away very lightly in Kildare whilst blatantly trying to poach other counties players.

Is this Brolly/McGeeney story bring sensationalised simply because Brolly is the only person in the media with the balls to call it out on McGeeney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail?
There are many, many who do not want to see him fail but still recognise that he is (at the moment) in fact failing

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too,
Did someone really say this?

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc.
Did someone really say this?

Big question is why is so much shit spouted by those defending McGeeney??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 13, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

While I think you're being a touch paranoid, I would guess there is a hefty percentage of the traditional GAA public who are a tad relieved that success requires good old fashioned skills, and this cannot be bypassed by extensive commitment and meticulous planning.

I think there is a lot in this.

I recall an earlier article (by some ex-Derry player) in which McGeeney said if he had of been introduced to MMA in his teens he would have never kicked a ball in anger. Maybe its the training and discipline that he is into rather than the skills of the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help
Just for the record most Armagh fans have the wit to know that the Tyrone/Fermanagh draw was not fixed any more than the Armagh/Tyrone draw was.

Ultimately we deserved to be relegated
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 13, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s
Mc Geeney is a great fella. And a serious leader of men as a footballer. He went down in a lot of gaa estimations with the sj thing but that's behind him. He needed to keep grimly on board and he went solo. He's under pressure because his results haven't been hot. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 13, 2016, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
...have now suffered relegation back to Div 3 (which was not the result of bad luck,as some would have you believe,but the result of a home defeat by Laois and a mauling in Cavan,neither of which are in any way excusable)

Go figure
It's not often a team with 6 points gets relegated to be fair. I'd say some element of bad luck came into it. Tyrone and Fermanagh conveniently playing out a draw didn't help

Lol thats the best excuse I've heard yet from Armagh - Tyrone screwed Armagh by fixing a draw!

Two best teams got promoted - two worst teams got relegated that's the way the system is designed - LIVE WITH IT!

The relegation rules were that if 2 teams finished level it went on head to head, if more than 2 it was scoring difference. If the relegation had have been decided on a league basis between the teams that finished level then it would have been:

Armagh 4pts
Meath 3 pts
Derry 3 pts
Fermanagh 2 pts.

McGeeney and Armagh could be considered unlucky but to say that relegation proves Armagh were the second worst team in the league is inaccurate in my opinion. There was not a great deal between most of the teams in division 2.

Where any of those teams completely shit against Laois?
Where any held scoreless for a half?
Did any of them keep punting kick outs down the middle for zero return?
Did any of them go into meltdown when under the cosh?

The league table was decided at the end of the season on accordance with how it was to be decided at the beginning of the season. We finished in the bottom 2 and got relegated. We have to deal with that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 13, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail?
There are many, many who do not want to see him fail but still recognise that he is (at the moment) in fact failing

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too,
Did someone really say this?

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc.
Did someone really say this?

Big question is why is so much shit spouted by those defending McGeeney??

There is also a pile of crap being spouted by those who want him to fail.

For me at the minute the jury is still out. He will most probably be Armagh manager for another few years so we will have plenty of evidence of his worth then. It is my understanding that he has been working with others to improve football in the county from the academies up. If he succeeds here he will put the county in a secure footing. I hope he does.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 13, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail?
There are many, many who do not want to see him fail but still recognise that he is (at the moment) in fact failing

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too,
Did someone really say this?

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc.
Did someone really say this?

Big question is why is so much shit spouted by those defending McGeeney??

There is also a pile of crap being spouted by those who want him to fail.

For me at the minute the jury is still out. He will most probably be Armagh manager for another few years so we will have plenty of evidence of his worth then. It is my understanding that he has been working with others to improve football in the county from the academies up. If he succeeds here he will put the county in a secure footing. I hope he does.

We all hope he does.

And if was replaced at the end of the season we would hope that his replacement would succeed.

But some of the stuff we have seen has been shocking. Absolutely shocking.

For him to be the manager for another few years needs to be based upon him getting the best out the players. I'm really not sure we can say that he is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sligoman2 on April 13, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
I seem to have stumbled into the mcgeeney thread. Anyone have directions back to the brolly thread?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on April 13, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Joe does a lot of great things but he also makes a lot of assumptions.  He seems to know what Kieran McGeeney is thinking, which makes him telepathic or a bit of a bullshitter. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on April 13, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Joe does a lot of great things but he also makes a lot of assumptions.  He seems to know what Kieran McGeeney is thinking, which makes him telepathic or a bit of a bullshitter.
Brolly says of McGeeney that the latter did not think the Kildare forwards were good enough and that is why he went looking for a forward elsewhere? Brolly claims that McGeeney's response to the collective failings of Armagh is to demand that the players put more in and is frustrated that they don't put in what he put in when he was their age.

Are these the big claims in the Brolly article that have you all excited?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on April 13, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
Punditry is the easiest job in GAA. Watching replays and saying what might have happened and spouting off criticising players and managers.  Why would RTE pay for a Joe Brolly when they could have a dozen of him for free on the terraces and pubs after every game!?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 13, 2016, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 13, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
I seem to have stumbled into the mcgeeney thread. Anyone have directions back to the brolly thread?

Yes.

Invite yourself outside for a word & punch the right side of your face. Walk in the direction you are now facing, then shout 'houl on, houl on!' until you trip yourself up, shove your size 9s into your mouth and mumble something very offensive about Marty Morrisey, Sean Kavanagh and then Kieran McGeeney.

Shit, you end up back where you started.

Never mind.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on April 13, 2016, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on April 13, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Joe does a lot of great things but he also makes a lot of assumptions.  He seems to know what Kieran McGeeney is thinking, which makes him telepathic or a bit of a bullshitter.
Brolly says of McGeeney that the latter did not think the Kildare forwards were good enough and that is why he went looking for a forward elsewhere? Brolly claims that McGeeney's response to the collective failings of Armagh is to demand that the players put more in and is frustrated that they don't put in what he put in when he was their age.

Are these the big claims in the Brolly article that have you all excited?

He seems to know what Kieran thinks of his players. I really doubt Kieran has confided in him. Joe makes great leaps of logic and assumes things. Not really based on much.

I'm quite calm actually. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 14, 2016, 08:59:21 AM
I was disappointed but not surprised at BCB's appraisal and reasoning for the dearth of Cross players in the County panel. I wouldn't agree with the assessments of some Cross players as not being up to it by some on this board. Club football feeds County football and where you have a situation where only 1 player on the panel not even starting is the sole representation of the perennial County Champions for whatever reason, then your county team is always going to struggle. I would see through it if Armagh football was ultra competitive it isn't and Cross can win the league fielding half a team. This needs fixed, and that will take a willingness on all sides.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on April 14, 2016, 09:00:46 AM
In his article and in the podcast, Brolly didn't tell how he provoked Kieran McGeeney into telling him he was an awful waste of talent.  No doubt even at Eamon Coleman's funeral dinner Brolly was ensuring he was the centre of attention and more than likely he made some comment at McGeeney's expense that led to the reported comment.  However, one thing is for sure, Brolly never forgot McGeeney's retort that would have brought him to a halt at the dinner table as quickly as it would have done on the football field when trying to take on McGeeney.  Brolly just waited as the embarrassment of that day gnawed away at him for nine years for an opportunity to take his revenge. 



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on April 14, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 13, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

While I think you're being a touch paranoid, I would guess there is a hefty percentage of the traditional GAA public who are a tad relieved that success requires good old fashioned skills, and this cannot be bypassed by extensive commitment and meticulous planning.

I think there is a lot in this.

I recall an earlier article (by some ex-Derry player) in which McGeeney said if he had of been introduced to MMA in his teens he would have never kicked a ball in anger. Maybe its the training and discipline that he is into rather than the skills of the game.

Smelmoth its quite clear and if i get the time i'll hunt out your posts that you are not a fan of KMcG and you wanted him sacked halfway thru the league if i recall rightly. What training and discipline are you referring too? Are you saying KMcG trains Armagh like MMA fighters? Are you saying he doesn't coach the skills of the game to the Armagh footballers? Or what r u saying?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on April 14, 2016, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 13, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on April 13, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail?
There are many, many who do not want to see him fail but still recognise that he is (at the moment) in fact failing

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too,
Did someone really say this?

Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc.
Did someone really say this?

Big question is why is so much shit spouted by those defending McGeeney??

There is also a pile of crap being spouted by those who want him to fail.

For me at the minute the jury is still out. He will most probably be Armagh manager for another few years so we will have plenty of evidence of his worth then. It is my understanding that he has been working with others to improve football in the county from the academies up. If he succeeds here he will put the county in a secure footing. I hope he does.

We all hope he does.

And if was replaced at the end of the season we would hope that his replacement would succeed.

But some of the stuff we have seen has been shocking. Absolutely shocking.

For him to be the manager for another few years needs to be based upon him getting the best out the players. I'm really not sure we can say that he is

I rest my case ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2016, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 14, 2016, 09:00:46 AM
In his article and in the podcast, Brolly didn't tell how he provoked Kieran McGeeney into telling him he was an awful waste of talent.  No doubt even at Eamon Coleman's funeral dinner Brolly was ensuring he was the centre of attention and more than likely he made some comment at McGeeney's expense that led to the reported comment.  However, one thing is for sure, Brolly never forgot McGeeney's retort that would have brought him to a halt at the dinner table as quickly as it would have done on the football field when trying to take on McGeeney.  Brolly just waited as the embarrassment of that day gnawed away at him for nine years for an opportunity to take his revenge.

there's a best seller novel in you !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on April 14, 2016, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 14, 2016, 09:00:46 AM
In his article and in the podcast, Brolly didn't tell how he provoked Kieran McGeeney into telling him he was an awful waste of talent.  No doubt even at Eamon Coleman's funeral dinner Brolly was ensuring he was the centre of attention and more than likely he made some comment at McGeeney's expense that led to the reported comment.  However, one thing is for sure, Brolly never forgot McGeeney's retort that would have brought him to a halt at the dinner table as quickly as it would have done on the football field when trying to take on McGeeney.  Brolly just waited as the embarrassment of that day gnawed away at him for nine years for an opportunity to take his revenge.

Funny enough, that was my thoughts as I read the article. Brolly just seemed to be waiting for the opportunity to tear mcgeeney to shreds. Oddly enough going into the championship Armagh seem to be in much better shape than Derry given that they finished the league strongly with decent results in their last 3 or 4 games which should give them confidence even though they were relegated. Derry on the other hand started the league with 2 wins over cavan and Fermanagh but since early February they haven't achieved a win. On that basis and the fact that Armagh totally outplayed derry, mcgeeney and Armagh were very unlucky to go down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on April 14, 2016, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: ck on April 13, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
Do people here agree that the media appear to be afraid of McGeeney? It's a wider held view and mentioned a few times, what do people think? IMO McGeeney got away very lightly in Kildare whilst blatantly trying to poach other counties players.

Is this Brolly/McGeeney story bring sensationalised simply because Brolly is the only person in the media with the balls to call it out on McGeeney?
I'd agree with this part. Outrageous behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 14, 2016, 01:28:53 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 12, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
Not often I find myself in agreement with Brolly but consider the facts.When Paddy O'Rourke took Over Armagh in 09 it was on the back of a disastrous season.He immediately won Div 2 of the NFL and took Armagh to round 4 of the qualifiers losing by three points to Dublin.

A couple of issues Tony. I'd be the first to say that 2008 ended in abject fashion when we gave a poverty stricken performance when bowing out to Wexford in Croke Park in the Championship. However we were Ulster Champions and had beaten Dublin quite convincingly in the League to retain our Division 2 status with a degree of comfort - hardly a disastrous season.

I also think you are getting confused with POR's first year.  POR took over in 2009, and whilst we again retained our Division 2 status, we fell to Tyrone in Clones in the first round of the Championship and then lost in extra-time to Monaghan, again in Clones, in the first round of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on April 15, 2016, 12:08:54 AM
Would the view be that Joe wasted his talent ??

My view of Joe would be of a decent pacey corner forward if overly one sided. I would think he did ok.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

Being the poster child for sterile gombeen football, he was a hate figure for me for a long time before Kildare
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 15, 2016, 10:16:20 AM
Ashman, I suppose McGeeney was cut from different cloth and tried to use all the skills he was given to their max. He worked hard on his fitness and strength and would be very determined like most of the Armagh team from that era.
Whereas he probably thinks Brolly would have done much better if he had been part of that Armagh team and took the game more seriously and not always be the joker or wasting the obvious pace and skill he had.
I'd say if Brolly was in that Armagh team they could have won another AI and Brolly would have been a better all round player but who knows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

Being the poster child for sterile gombeen football, he was a hate figure for me for a long time before Kildare

Such nonsense. What does that even mean? You hated him because he was Armagh captain during our two counties biggest rivalry. Which is completely fine. Just admit it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 15, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.


Just so we're clear on your position:

While Dublin we're winning provincial titles & AI's and Kildare twice couldn't beat 14 man Dublin, Kildare under McGeeney were trying to assemble a league of nations team while being knocked out of Leinster by Wicklow et al and the people of Dublin were so consumed by an irrational hatred of McGeeney that they turned the media against him?

I think you're story checks out alright!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mup on April 15, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
A Dub accusing a Kildare man of having a league of nations. Oh dear.

Look before you leap.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 15, 2016, 12:36:49 PM
I suppose this qualifies as a McGeeney retort (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-reveals-the-huge-sacrifice-he-made-in-his-personal-life-to-win-the-sam-maguire-34628570.html)


He encourages players to strike a better balance between their sport and their personal lives than he did.
"Contrary to popular belief, I don't want people to do what I did," he said.
"If I saw that I would probably give out about it. "
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

That's daft. McGeeney has been treated with kid gloves by the media. Most of them are in still in awe of him, from his playing days. Any articles, interviews etc focus on his legendary drive and commitment. They shy away from asking the tough questions, on his tactical decision on the sideline, or why he never beat a Div 1 team during his time in charge of Kildare, or the embarrassing SJ affair. 

Anyway, most of the GAA media are not actually from Dublin, even though their pay check comes from an office building in Dublin. So turning this into a Geezer v Dublin thing is ridiculous. Where ever they are from, his stock as a player still counts for a lot, with most of them.

Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

The notion that the media turned him into a hate figure is laughable. No one is worshiped more by them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 15, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
There is much to admire about Geezer the player, his play, his leadership and his single-mindedness. From his point of view Brolly probably did waste his talent. However as has been pointed out, Joe starts the conversation from Geezer's statement, what went before? Like all good writers Joe doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Only a complete tit would deny Geezers achievements as a player and a leader on the pitch. On his management the Jury is still out and with Armagh he has hardly being playing with a full deck, between injuries and absences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 15, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 15, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
There is much to admire about Geezer the player, his play, his leadership and his single-mindedness. From his point of view Brolly probably did waste his talent. However as has been pointed out, Joe starts the conversation from Geezer's statement, what went before? Like all good writers Joe doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Only a complete tit would deny Geezers achievements as a player and a leader on the pitch. On his management the Jury is still out and with Armagh he has hardly being playing with a full deck, between injuries and absences.

10 years as an inter county manager and you reckon the jury is still out?
Time to get a new jury!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 15, 2016, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: ck on April 15, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 15, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
There is much to admire about Geezer the player, his play, his leadership and his single-mindedness. From his point of view Brolly probably did waste his talent. However as has been pointed out, Joe starts the conversation from Geezer's statement, what went before? Like all good writers Joe doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Only a complete tit would deny Geezers achievements as a player and a leader on the pitch. On his management the Jury is still out and with Armagh he has hardly being playing with a full deck, between injuries and absences.

10 years as an inter county manager and you reckon the jury is still out?
Time to get a new jury!
With Armagh!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 15, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

Joe Molloy was never much of a GAA man tbh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 15, 2016, 03:14:05 PM
When you look at where Kildare collapsed to imeddiately without him it's clear he did quite a good job with them. Just not working so far in Armagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 15, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

Joe Molloy was never much of a GAA man tbh.

Golf and soccer seem to be his two biggest sporting interests, but he is is well able to hold his own on GAA matters. He wouldn't have gotten the job of hosting the show,  if he couldn't. He is especially capable if it is Kildare related.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on April 15, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

I was at the show last night. The sound was pretty crap so i didn't hear Kieran and Gordon that clear but Senans 'remember the time we all had a laugh with Kieran' segment was very cringy. It was like a tribute piece.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 15, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 15, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

I was at the show last night. The sound was pretty crap so i didn't hear Kieran and Gordon that clear but Senans 'remember the time we all had a laugh with Kieran' segment was very cringy. It was like a tribute piece.

Yes thats how it came across on the radio almost like Senan had been planted there! Also whilst I was listening I couldn't help wondering if Senan was driving or not!

Although I thought McGeeney did come across well last night.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 15, 2016, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: mup on April 15, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
A Dub accusing a Kildare man of having a league of nations. Oh dear.

Look before you leap.

Many outsiders on the team(s) that won the three AI's since 2011? Or 1995 or 1983?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

Being the poster child for sterile gombeen football, he was a hate figure for me for a long time before Kildare

Such nonsense. What does that even mean? You hated him because he was Armagh captain during our two counties biggest rivalry. Which is completely fine. Just admit it

Thanks for telling me what I think

Robotic gym monkey football might be pop way of putting it, but my name gives a fuller description if you can decipher it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

Being the poster child for sterile gombeen football, he was a hate figure for me for a long time before Kildare

Such nonsense. What does that even mean? You hated him because he was Armagh captain during our two counties biggest rivalry. Which is completely fine. Just admit it

Thanks for telling me what I think

Robotic gym monkey football might be pop way of putting it, but my name gives a fuller description if you can decipher it

Oh come on. What I said doesn't come into it at all???
I'm rubbish at anagrams so you'll have to give me more of a clue
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 15, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
Quote from: mup on April 14, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 13, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
Why has KMCG grew into the man everyone loves to hate (exceptions of some Kildare men and Armagh folk), what has he done over the years that everyone wants to see him fail? If there is a piece of dirt out there someone will find it and throw it into the public domain. I know a few of the County lads and they all speak very highly of him yet people are trying to paint a different story, I can't think of another inter county manager who is under as much scrutiny as he is. Because he done/does martial arts then apparently he has the team doing it too, because he trained more than most apparently he has Armagh lads training 8 nights a week ;) etc etc. People should get a life and torture some other manager/s

Because how dare he put it up to the Dublins during his stint in Kildare. While he didn't beat Dublin it took a Pat McEneany inspired free to win in for them in the 2011 leinster semi final. The media/Dubs ensured that McGeeney grew into the hate figure that he is now.

I find the assertions of Kildare GAA approaching players from the 'broad Leinster area' rather amusing considering the goings-on within that posters county.

Being the poster child for sterile gombeen football, he was a hate figure for me for a long time before Kildare

Such nonsense. What does that even mean? You hated him because he was Armagh captain during our two counties biggest rivalry. Which is completely fine. Just admit it

Thanks for telling me what I think

Robotic gym monkey football might be pop way of putting it, but my name gives a fuller description if you can decipher it

Oh come on. What I said doesn't come into it at all???
I'm rubbish at anagrams so you'll have to give me more of a clue

???
I just did
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on April 15, 2016, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 15, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

I was at the show last night. The sound was pretty crap so i didn't hear Kieran and Gordon that clear but Senans 'remember the time we all had a laugh with Kieran' segment was very cringy. It was like a tribute piece.

Senan is IMO the biggest spoofer currently on TV GAA analysis, notice I did not include radio.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on April 15, 2016, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 15, 2016, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 15, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Beffs on April 15, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Have you ever listened to Off The Ball....the most high profile sports show in the country. The two main hosts, Ger Gilroy and Joe Molloy, are Kildare lads. They worship the man  & can't talk about him enough, or praise him enough. He was the focus of their newspaper review (Brollys article) on Sunday. They had the man himself on again last night - at the Coppers 20th anniversary party, no less. It was non stop Geezer, the Man, The Myth, the Legend.  Or The Unbelievable Craic Merchant, if you believe Senan Connell.  ::)

I was at the show last night. The sound was pretty crap so i didn't hear Kieran and Gordon that clear but Senans 'remember the time we all had a laugh with Kieran' segment was very cringy. It was like a tribute piece.

Senan is IMO the biggest spoofer currently on TV GAA analysis, notice I did not include radio.

I'd agree. Mc Geeney isn't the first player who isn't half as good a manager as player.

He is devoid of emotional intelligence. That is his undoing. Roy Keane is exactly the same
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on April 15, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
Listen to Kieran McGeeney & Gordon D'Arcy interview from Coppers in Newstalk podcast.

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/kieran-mcgeeney-gordon-darcy-interview-from-coppers (https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/kieran-mcgeeney-gordon-darcy-interview-from-coppers)

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/ (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 15, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
Joe does something like this every year before the Sunday Game gets into full flow.

He's the master at creating a shitstorm to keep people watching.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
I wouldn't say that McGeeney lacks man management or emotional intelligence, generally the players who play for him seem to have a strong respect for him - a prime example being the reaction of the Kildare players when he was shown the door.

However tactically you could definitely ask questions of him and I'd say that is where his faults start.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 16, 2016, 08:07:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
I wouldn't say that McGeeney lacks man management or emotional intelligence, generally the players who play for him seem to have a strong respect for him - a prime example being the reaction of the Kildare players when he was shown the door.

However tactically you could definitely ask questions of him and I'd say that is where his faults start.

Agreed although since the Cavan game he looks to have had changed his tactics and we are going in the right direction
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 16, 2016, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2016, 08:07:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
I wouldn't say that McGeeney lacks man management or emotional intelligence, generally the players who play for him seem to have a strong respect for him - a prime example being the reaction of the Kildare players when he was shown the door.

However tactically you could definitely ask questions of him and I'd say that is where his faults start.

Agreed although since the Cavan game he looks to have had changed his tactics and we are going in the right direction

That's interesting. How has he changed their tactics?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 17, 2016, 09:17:34 AM
Quote from: ck on April 16, 2016, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 16, 2016, 08:07:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
I wouldn't say that McGeeney lacks man management or emotional intelligence, generally the players who play for him seem to have a strong respect for him - a prime example being the reaction of the Kildare players when he was shown the door.

However tactically you could definitely ask questions of him and I'd say that is where his faults start.

Agreed although since the Cavan game he looks to have had changed his tactics and we are going in the right direction

That's interesting. How has he changed their tactics?

I was at the Laois gane and the Tyrone game. The difference in the way we played both games was something. Against Tyrone we looked to move the ball a lot earlier into the forwards. It wasn't perfect but much better than against Laois. Could be wrong tho, maybe we just played a better game against Tyrone. But going by what he said after the Cavan game I think he has had a look at his tactics and altered them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Have to agree. Great piece. Not only MMA but he highlighted the brutality that happens in boxing as well. "Savagery" describes it perfectly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on April 17, 2016, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Have to agree. Great piece. Not only MMA but he highlighted the brutality that happens in boxing as well. "Savagery" describes it perfectly.


Wise up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 17, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Have to agree. Great piece. Not only MMA but he highlighted the brutality that happens in boxing as well. "Savagery" describes it perfectly.

100% correct. Well done Joe Brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on April 17, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on April 17, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Link?

I'd say it'll be up on the Indo website tomorrow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2016, 10:58:23 PM
Brolly figuratively chasing ambulances now. Pity. He has more to offer than this.

Boxing is one of the best and purest forms of sports in existence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 17, 2016, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 17, 2016, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Have to agree. Great piece. Not only MMA but he highlighted the brutality that happens in boxing as well. "Savagery" describes it perfectly.

Wise up

Like most of his stuff he has a point, but it gets lost in hyperbole and figjam.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 17, 2016, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Next week:

Brolly on c**k-fighting, heroin, womanising and smoking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 18, 2016, 06:32:40 AM
Is this article another swipe at McGeeney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on April 18, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/joe-brolly-is-it-good-enough-that-a-young-man-be-beaten-to-death-in-a-cage-for-our-amusement-34633644.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/joe-brolly-is-it-good-enough-that-a-young-man-be-beaten-to-death-in-a-cage-for-our-amusement-34633644.html)

This must be the article in question
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2016, 10:39:08 AM
Again I dont see the fuss and why people get worked up. Joe like everyone is entitled to his opinion.

I'm a fan of boxing/mma so don't agree with it but the cases he points out are all relevant to what happened the Carvalho lad.

It was a dig at McGregor which is unfair as Conor wasn't to know the lad would die as a result of his injuries.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: SimonSays on April 18, 2016, 10:45:16 AM
Is this the same Joe Brolly who harps on about going back to the days of settling things like men on the football field and how about men like Brian mcGiligan would throw punches to keep a man quiet...hes so full of shit.. the man is all about self promotion, The sunday game said we need a Eammon Dunphy figure, can you do it Joe ? throwing conor mcgregor name in here makes it get headlines....has Joe Brolly actually ever sat in the sunday game studio and disected the tactics and plays of a game? has he ever pointed out to the viewing public a thing that has happened in a game that only a former player would know........nope he just picks out someone to have a pop at and goes on a stupid rant....He questioned Paul Grimley as a man as he did with Sean Cavanagh....these lads do go to work on a monday morning to listen to people asking them about joe brolly....blowing the kisses after scoring a goal shows you that it is all about self promotion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 18, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: SimonSays on April 18, 2016, 10:45:16 AM
Is this the same Joe Brolly who harps on about going back to the days of settling things like men on the football field and how about men like Brian mcGiligan would throw punches to keep a man quiet...hes so full of shit.. the man is all about self promotion, The sunday game said we need a Eammon Dunphy figure, can you do it Joe ? throwing conor mcgregor name in here makes it get headlines....has Joe Brolly actually ever sat in the sunday game studio and disected the tactics and plays of a game? has he ever pointed out to the viewing public a thing that has happened in a game that only a former player would know........nope he just picks out someone to have a pop at and goes on a stupid rant....He questioned Paul Grimley as a man as he did with Sean Cavanagh....these lads do go to work on a monday morning to listen to people asking them about joe brolly....blowing the kisses after scoring a goal shows you that it is all about self promotion.

The sad thing is, he occasionally has done this and is actually very good at it. But the majority of the time he gets caught up in sensationalist BS and trying to create a great sound bite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 18, 2016, 01:42:28 PM

He's really not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on April 20, 2016, 04:56:55 PM

Niall Carew has hit out at Joe Brolly for continuing a "vendetta" against Kieran McGeeney.

Brolly was critical of McGeeney in a "hideous column" in the Sunday Independent following the relegation of his Armagh side to Division 3, arguing that his intensity and demand for the highest standards held his players back.

Carew worked as a selector and coach with McGeeney in Kildare from 2008-12 before moving on to become Waterford manager. Now in charge at Sligo, he insists Brolly has it wrong.

"Joe embarked on another verbal assault on Kieran and he has copied and pasted this article on more than one occasion" says Carew in the Sligo Champion. "So if you want, get onto Google and you will discover one man's personal vendetta against another.
 
"I think I'm way more qualified than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane or any of the other pundits and journalists that like to get personal and sometimes dirty, to really tell people who the real Kieran McGeeney is.

"Geezer ticks all the boxes, believe me. First and foremost he is the one we all want to go to war with. He is the most genuine man I have ever met and is the one I turn to on and off the field. I trust him with my life.
 
"Brolly likes to twist things. So for him, the players were too afraid to make a mistake. We could have been more clinical but officials' mistakes were the defining moments.

"Joe Brolly has always picked on Geezer (off the field and behind his laptop) and while Geezer doesn't care, I can't let it go any longer. He has never had a clue what goes on. But when you want to be sensational, you don't need to worry about the truth or the facts. Or ask the people who worked with him.
 
"Johnny Doyle played under Geezer for six years. He wasted no time in making his thoughts on Brolly's attack public. What he says about the man carries much more relevance than what a self-serving self-promoter thinks.

"Kieran was an excellent coach and mentor. He changed the way I thought about my game. He pushed me to a level of training and preparation that I never knew existed.
 
"It was a great time to be involved in football in Kildare. People say Kieran failed with Kildare but I think we failed Kieran.

"When it comes to Johnny Doyle or Joe Brolly, I know who I'd believe."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 20, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
If a GAA manager is getting paid I think he's fair game for a pundits criticism... not sure if McGeeney got paid or not  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 20, 2016, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
If a GAA manager is getting paid I think he's fair game for a pundits criticism... not sure if McGeeney got paid or not  :P

If a pundit criticises someone he is fair game for others to suggest he is talking rubbish.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 20, 2016, 06:16:51 PM
Part of the problem with the perception of Geezer is epitomised in that phrase "you'd go to war with/for him". We are not going to war. We are playing a game of football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 20, 2016, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2016, 06:16:51 PM
Part of the problem with the perception of Geezer is epitomised in that phrase "you'd go to war with/for him". We are not going to war. We are playing a game of football.

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/is-anyone-else-starting-to-get-worried-about-joe-brollys-continuous-use-of-war-analogies/32031 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/is-anyone-else-starting-to-get-worried-about-joe-brollys-continuous-use-of-war-analogies/32031)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 20, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
There is actually a campaign within the IRFU to get coaches in post game interviews to remove analogies like "a battlefield" or "hospital wards" or talking up "big hits" or "smashing players".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StGallsGAA on April 20, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Why are analogies like "smashing players" being discouraged?  Surely every manager getting results would consider his players smashing lads?  Particularly Tony Pulis!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 20, 2016, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2016, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
If a GAA manager is getting paid I think he's fair game for a pundits criticism... not sure if McGeeney got paid or not  :P

If a pundit criticises someone he is fair game for others to suggest he is talking rubbish.

absolutely...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2016, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 17, 2016, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 17, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on April 17, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Excellent article by Brolly in today's Indo about the savagery of MMA.

Have to agree. Great piece. Not only MMA but he highlighted the brutality that happens in boxing as well. "Savagery" describes it perfectly.


Wise up

Can't argue with that. Great argument - really dissects the issue
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2016, 10:58:23 PM
Brolly figuratively chasing ambulances now. Pity. He has more to offer than this.

Boxing is one of the best and purest forms of sports in existence.

There is no link between professional boxing and purity

Aside from the promotional bullshit the old issue of having punches to the head as a key aim of the game makes the whole thing hard to stomach
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on April 20, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Very little of substance in the Carew article. Could sumarise it as "I like my friend"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 20, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 20, 2016, 06:16:51 PM
Part of the problem with the perception of Geezer is epitomised in that phrase "you'd go to war with/for him". We are not going to war. We are playing a game of football.

Or that his players would "run through walls for him".

If I was from Armagh or Kildare, I'd much prefer that his players would stick the ball in the back of the net, put in a few blocks and bang over a few long range points....than any of that run through walls shite.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on April 21, 2016, 04:27:53 AM
When McGeeney took over Kildare, we'd lost in the first round of Leinster for three of the previous four seasons.
He took us to five All-Ireland quarter-finals in a row in his first five seasons. He doesn't get enough credit for that.
The turning point of his reign was the Johnston decision, a colossal error of judgement that derailed the whole thing.
But that doesn't change the fact that he had done a very good job up to that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 08:53:27 AM
I'm not having a go at cross but to be a success as a manager  you need the buy in of everyone and McGeeney just doesn't seem to have that which means he is very much fighting an uphill battle. Whether that be his own fault or not I do not know.

There are 3-4 players anyway from cross who would make a very positive difference to the armagh team.

I would still say there is barely a better player in Armagh than Aaron Kernan. (In fact there aren't that many anywhere)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level.
I keep reading bullshit comments like this about Cross players from other Armagh Clubs. Fact is Cross are head and shoulders above the next best in Armagh for a variety of reasons. Fact also there are few Armagh players that would walk on to any other County Team in Div 1 or 2 at the moment. There is clearly an issue with Cross players and the county whether it is of Cross' making or the County's I'd love to know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on April 22, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level.
I keep reading bullshit comments like this about Cross players from other Armagh Clubs. Fact is Cross are head and shoulders above the next best in Armagh for a variety of reasons. Fact also there are few Armagh players that would walk on to any other County Team in Div 1 or 2 at the moment. There is clearly an issue with Cross players and the county whether it is of Cross' making or the County's I'd love to know.
It's bullshit in your opinion.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with the first paragraph in Disillusioned's post but I would fully agree with the fact that the current Crossmaglen team are better than a sum of their parts.  The two players that are clearly inter county standard that are not part of the panel (AK & Jamie) have ruled themselves out for well documented reasons.  This would be an opinion held widely within the county and has nothing to do with anti-Cross bias.  I'd love it if we still had the twin Macs, AK, Jamie, Oisin and Francie to call on every year.  Your gra for Cross is well noted at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 22, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level.
I keep reading bullshit comments like this about Cross players from other Armagh Clubs. Fact is Cross are head and shoulders above the next best in Armagh for a variety of reasons. Fact also there are few Armagh players that would walk on to any other County Team in Div 1 or 2 at the moment. There is clearly an issue with Cross players and the county whether it is of Cross' making or the County's I'd love to know.
It's bullshit in your opinion.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with the first paragraph in Disillusioned's post but I would fully agree with the fact that the current Crossmaglen team are better than a sum of their parts.  The two players that are clearly inter county standard that are not part of the panel (AK & Jamie) have ruled themselves out for well documented reasons.  This would be an opinion held widely within the county and has nothing to do with anti-Cross bias.  I'd love it if we still had the twin Macs, AK, Jamie, Oisin and Francie to call on every year.  Your gra for Cross is well noted at this stage.
I wouldn't deny having a liking for Cross, but I have a bigger affection for the County and I want to see everyone including Cross contribute. I would like to see a few more Cross players in there because I feel they would bring a winning mentality, Kyle Carragher and Johnny Hannratty spring to mind. I would concede that the reasons more Cross players are not in the panel is not all down to the county setup.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on April 22, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
I would like to see Kyle Carragher back myself to see if he could build on an encouraging year in 2014 but don't agree with Johnny Hanratty. He played for a few seasons and wasn't up to the standard IMO. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 22, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 22, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level.
I keep reading bullshit comments like this about Cross players from other Armagh Clubs. Fact is Cross are head and shoulders above the next best in Armagh for a variety of reasons. Fact also there are few Armagh players that would walk on to any other County Team in Div 1 or 2 at the moment. There is clearly an issue with Cross players and the county whether it is of Cross' making or the County's I'd love to know.
It's bullshit in your opinion.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with the first paragraph in Disillusioned's post but I would fully agree with the fact that the current Crossmaglen team are better than a sum of their parts.  The two players that are clearly inter county standard that are not part of the panel (AK & Jamie) have ruled themselves out for well documented reasons.  This would be an opinion held widely within the county and has nothing to do with anti-Cross bias.  I'd love it if we still had the twin Macs, AK, Jamie, Oisin and Francie to call on every year.  Your gra for Cross is well noted at this stage.
I wouldn't deny having a liking for Cross, but I have a bigger affection for the County and I want to see everyone including Cross contribute. I would like to see a few more Cross players in there because I feel they would bring a winning mentality, Kyle Carragher and Johnny Hannratty spring to mind. I would concede that the reasons more Cross players are not in the panel is not all down to the county setup.
This right here. What is Johnny Hanratty going to bring to the table? Winning mentality my hole. Sure what goods a winning mentality when he's no better than the midfielders already there? Same for Carragher, useful to have but he's no better or worse than say McParland or Sparky. Any wonder clubs in Armagh can't bate cross when they are constantly mythicised
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 22, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 22, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 22, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on April 21, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
A big factor in his fortunes in armagh, i suspect, is the fact that so few cross players have commited. Clearly they have the best players in the county but barely a one there. Whether that is his fault or not i do not know.

Their absence says a lot more about the Cross players and those influencing their choice not to answer a call to play for the county while they await another Cross man in charge.

There is also little account taken of the fact that the Cross team is a great example of how the collective can be much more than the sum of its parts and how a myth/legend of invincibility can become reality in the minds of the opposition.  In reality there are not many Cross players in 2016 who would walk on to any county team in Ulster.    Apart from the established county players, other players who have been key to the success for Cross in the last 3/4 years have not shown the same impact at county level.
I keep reading bullshit comments like this about Cross players from other Armagh Clubs. Fact is Cross are head and shoulders above the next best in Armagh for a variety of reasons. Fact also there are few Armagh players that would walk on to any other County Team in Div 1 or 2 at the moment. There is clearly an issue with Cross players and the county whether it is of Cross' making or the County's I'd love to know.
It's bullshit in your opinion.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with the first paragraph in Disillusioned's post but I would fully agree with the fact that the current Crossmaglen team are better than a sum of their parts.  The two players that are clearly inter county standard that are not part of the panel (AK & Jamie) have ruled themselves out for well documented reasons.  This would be an opinion held widely within the county and has nothing to do with anti-Cross bias.  I'd love it if we still had the twin Macs, AK, Jamie, Oisin and Francie to call on every year.  Your gra for Cross is well noted at this stage.
I wouldn't deny having a liking for Cross, but I have a bigger affection for the County and I want to see everyone including Cross contribute. I would like to see a few more Cross players in there because I feel they would bring a winning mentality, Kyle Carragher and Johnny Hannratty spring to mind. I would concede that the reasons more Cross players are not in the panel is not all down to the county setup.
This right here. What is Johnny Hanratty going to bring to the table? Winning mentality my hole. Sure what goods a winning mentality when he's no better than the midfielders already there? Same for Carragher, useful to have but he's no better or worse than say McParland or Sparky. Any wonder clubs in Armagh can't bate cross when they are constantly mythicised
In your opinion I beg to differ.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: SimonSays on April 22, 2016, 03:53:14 PM
If Armagh put out there strongest team that is willing to play it would be like this

1: Paddy Morrison
2:James Morgan
3: Charlie Vernon
4: Andy Mallon
5: Mark Shields
6 Ciaran McKeever
7: Aidan Forker       -----Aaron Kernan
8 : Ethan Rafferty
9: Aaron Findon
10: Tony Kernan
11 Miceal McKenna
12 Rory Grugan
13: Gavin McParland
14 Soupy Campbell
15 Colm Watters       ----- Jamie Clarke

Jamie and aaron dont want to play but thats where they would fit in. Tony and james start for me....but i just dnt think any other cross players get into the starting 15 ..   Paul Hughes, Aidan Rush, oisin o'neill would be handy to have on the bench but thats it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 22, 2016, 04:06:14 PM
I presume it was influential in Aaron's decision to retire that he didn't make the starting team in his last year. Time waits for no man and while it would be great to have his influence still around the squad I really don't think Aaron would start any more. His club campaign this year would tend to support that view also.

The idea that the county champions should be massively represented on the county team is badly misguided. Sure if there are 40 odd clubs in the county the best players can be dotted around anywhere. A collection of good players coming together, decent coaching and a good culture produces club teams that can win championships. That doesn't make those players the best in the county by any stretch of the imagination - nor does it dismiss them.

The likelihood that a club team has 3/4 of the best players in the county is very small. Even that one club has 6/7 of the best 30 is highly unlikely - and that's a mistake Armagh have made in the past.

How many from the current county champions start for Tyrone,  Dublin, Kerry,  etc.?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 22, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
Spot on Duffleking. Look at the Cavan team for this weekend - 15 different clubs represented in the starting 15.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on April 22, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
It does look odd from the outside that more Cross players are not on the county team but on closer examination it is understandable. If Clarke was available he would be on. Aaron Kernan is one of my favourite ever footballers but he is not the future and has retired. Rushe and O ' Neill will be regulars in the future if they want. As BCB would undoubtedly agree at the minute they will learn more playing for Cross than being subs for the county over the summer. Of the rest I could see squad places for Hughes and Carragher and possibly McKeown but if they do not want to commit that is their choice. I am sure that in a few years time Cross will have a few representatives.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on April 22, 2016, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 22, 2016, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 22, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
Spot on Duffleking. Look at the Cavan team for this weekend - 15 different clubs represented in the starting 15.
Aye but they probably all play for one club really.

Magic!

I never write LOL anywhere but LOL!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 22, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: SimonSays on April 22, 2016, 03:53:14 PM
If Armagh put out there strongest team that is willing to play it would be like this

1: Paddy Morrison
2:James Morgan
3: Charlie Vernon
4: Andy Mallon
5: Mark Shields
6 Ciaran McKeever
7: Aidan Forker       -----Aaron Kernan
8 : Ethan Rafferty
9: Aaron Findon
10: Tony Kernan
11 Miceal McKenna
12 Rory Grugan
13: Gavin McParland
14 Soupy Campbell
15 Colm Watters       ----- Jamie Clarke

Jamie and aaron dont want to play but thats where they would fit in. Tony and james start for me....but i just dnt think any other cross players get into the starting 15 ..   Paul Hughes, Aidan Rush, oisin o'neill would be handy to have on the bench but thats it

No Dyas?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 23, 2016, 12:27:57 AM
It takes hindsight most times, but Joe is rarely wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 23, 2016, 12:31:32 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 23, 2016, 12:27:57 AM
It takes hindsight most times, but Joe is rarely wrong.

Yer bollocks. Joe changes his mind in a blink, eloquently.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 07:46:53 PM
Wonder if Joe thinks Damien Barton really thinks his Derry players are crap,or has this in fact been proven?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 22, 2016, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 07:46:53 PM
Wonder if Joe thinks Damien Barton really thinks his Derry players are crap,or has this in fact been proven?

I seem to remember Brolly going to town on Paul Gromley a few years back for a poor defeat against Cavan in Breffni Park. I wonder will be as vocal against 2 of his former teammates who overseen today's meek display against Tyrone. I suspect not, proving that personalities DO come into it where Brolly is concerned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Correct.I also suspect Barton wouldn't be slow to apply his boot to Joe's posterior
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 22, 2016, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 22, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Correct.I also suspect Barton wouldn't be slow to apply his boot to Joe's posterior

And the Grimleys wouldn't?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 30, 2016, 12:48:28 AM
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-has-literally-written-derrys-death-notice-after-tyrone-loss/80239



Classic stuff from Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on May 30, 2016, 12:53:45 AM
I think it is fair to say Joe and Kieran McGeeney are not on each others Christmas card list .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 30, 2016, 08:17:38 AM
Brolly was in great form yesterday. Probably a bit overboard on McGeeney but his point on the enjoyment of GAA and reminding us about the whole SJ affair were spot on in my opinion. O'Rourke was quite good too I thought.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on May 30, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
I did get a good chuckle out of the Kildare club hurler bits.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 30, 2016, 09:47:56 AM
Brolly and O'Rourke work well together as there is mutual respect.
Rarely gets awkward, except for the time Brolly had the dig at him about NAMA.
I thought his remark at the end about the Free State giving Colm a farm was pretty funny.  :D
Throw Spillane into that mix and the dynamic changes totally.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 30, 2016, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 30, 2016, 09:47:56 AM
Brolly and O'Rourke work well together as there is mutual respect.
Rarely gets awkward, except for the time Brolly had the dig at him about NAMA.
I thought his remark at the end about the Free State giving Colm a farm was pretty funny.  :D
Throw Spillane into that mix and the dynamic changes totally.

On the night time Sunday Game you could see Dessie and Ciaran Whelan chuckling to themselves when Spillane was touting Mayo as the only serious challengers to the Dubs this year. Probably the least neutral pundit out there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 30, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
It's an interesting one alright. . . the game as we know it now is not the game I used to play and I don't think I would derive the same sense of enjoyment out of it were I to be 15/16 years of age now. Our lads at that age are all into core strengthening and systems and what's the point?

Unless I was winning that might be the only way but if you're not winning matches and having to play that joyless defensive game why would you bother?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 30, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
Maybe if you never knew anything different though, you'd enjoy modern football just as much.
Maybe it's not all as joyless as we think it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 30, 2016, 01:51:06 PM
The game is different now than when most of us were growing up / playing, that is not in doubt.

However, players from u8-senior et the exact same enjoyment out of it as we did. They just understand the game and look at the game through a different prism.   

I remember the calls for rule changes when donegal won the all Ireland in 92 running the ball. I don't quite remember the taking out of a threatening Antrim team in the 50s by the roots because their dynamic hand passing running game was sweeping them towards an all Ireland. The hand pass was promptly outlawed and a closed fist pass decreed.

The irony is actually that pundits are from previous generations and imprint their views on the current generation. I know county players in over a half dozen counties and I have no doubt they have the same love and passion for their version of the game as every generation that went before. This pontificating - particularly by Brolly who hasn't a clue- is nothing but old men lamenting their youth and wishing it on youngsters.




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 30, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
Brolly is probably not the poster boy he thinks he is for 'enjoying' your football anyway.
Even in the era he played, he was probably considered to be a bit too casual for his own good.
I've read Colm O'Rourke's book and it wasn't all sunshine and lollipops for those lads by any stretch of the imagination.
And, to be honest, a lot of the games back then didn't look like much fun to play in either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 30, 2016, 03:36:58 PM
I think the modern player is better prepared and has a higher skill level than ever before through the army of specilised coaching they have received from a young age. I don't think too many people could put forward a serious argument to dispute this. However the spectacle is a poorer one in my view. Far too much handpassing, tactical analysis and far less risk taking and kicking. Players are discouraged from acting instinctively and as a result there are fewer flair players and characters in the game. In the quest for size, pace, power and athleticism there has been a trade off in terms of the spectacle. Rugby has suffered in a similar way. The rules of the game were introduced when body shapes and the pace of the game were totally different and the rule changes have not kept abreast of these changes without impacting on the spectacle. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 30, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.

Institutionalised! It's what you're used to.

You can see with the drop off at Senior Inter County level of lads deciding to travel/opt out of panels that there is a case it's not the way it was.

There was a stage where you would never say no if the County manager gave you the call but that is not the case anymore!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 30, 2016, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.

Institutionalised! It's what you're used to.

You can see with the drop off at Senior Inter County level of lads deciding to travel/opt out of panels that there is a case it's not the way it was.

There was a stage where you would never say no if the County manager gave you the call but that is not the case anymore!

There is also the case that travelling is more common now in society in general and cheaper too.

For what it is worth I felt about 90% of the way Cavan played yesterday was a proper spectacle - and 100% of the way the Armagh keeper played!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 30, 2016, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.

Why would you think that there would be a mass exodus of players playing the game simply because they don't enjoy certain parts of it? If someone has been immersed in the game and it s culture from a young age they are hardly likely to walk away in significantly large numbers because they would like to see more kicking, more adventurous attacking play or more goals. It is part of out culture to play the game and gives us a form of indentity but it doesn't mean that it can't be improved on. What do you suggest, that we simply retain the status quo and forget about trying to improve the spectacle. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on May 30, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.

Hmmm, tempted to point to the absence of a time machine but... then thinks the better of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 30, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
It's an interesting one alright. . . the game as we know it now is not the game I used to play and I don't think I would derive the same sense of enjoyment out of it were I to be 15/16 years of age now. Our lads at that age are all into core strengthening and systems and what's the point?

Unless I was winning that might be the only way but if you're not winning matches and having to play that joyless defensive game why would you bother?

We ran into a very defensive team yesterday looking to turn us over inside their 45 and hit us on the break. Despite having the better players we had to sit our lads down at half time and totally change our style of play. Won well in the end and there was a certain enjoyment in rising to the challenge posed by the opposition. It's light years away from the man on man football I would have started out playing and certainly isn't as free flowing as it used to be but there is still huge enjoyment to be had out of still being able to get out there and play the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
If modern football is so horrendous why are so many players actually playing? Are they being forced to, is it like a prison sentence. Not sure I buy all this shite.

Institutionalised! It's what you're used to.

You can see with the drop off at Senior Inter County level of lads deciding to travel/opt out of panels that there is a case it's not the way it was.

There was a stage where you would never say no if the County manager gave you the call but that is not the case anymore!

It's a smaller world now, cheap flights, better educated means more opportunity to travel. That wasn't there backbone the day. Im not saying things can't improve but if it was as bad as brolly was saying it's hard to believe anyone would play county football. It's over stated and I think county men do get a fair bit back from football too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)

Fair play, Grimley has never been afraid to stand up to Brolly (one of the few) and he is 100% right in what he has said. It's time he was held to account and reigned in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: No wides on May 31, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
Unfortunately Brolly has the outlets to pick a few sentences out of context in this column or next Sunday and take Grimley apart, that is Joe's way and he will take great pleasure in doing it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)

Fair play, Grimley has never been afraid to stand up to Brolly (one of the few) and he is 100% right in what he has said. It's time he was held to account and reigned in.
McGeeney is an easy target. His combination of intensity and managerial ineptitude
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Aristocrat on May 31, 2016, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)

Fair play, Grimley has never been afraid to stand up to Brolly (one of the few) and he is 100% right in what he has said. It's time he was held to account and reigned in.
McGeeney is an easy target. His combination of intensity and managerial ineptitude

Plus his high wages. He got very very good money in Kildare when the players had to fund raise and build their own gym.

Id say he was looked after in Na Fianna as well.

He's an accountant isn't he?

Trains his team like thugs too.





Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
In terms of expenditure I think Armagh is one of the highest in Ireland. I know they've improved recently in hurling but there seems to be big money pumped into the footballers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on May 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
I can just imagine Joe sniggering and almost wetting himself reading Grimley's rant

Grimley is entirely correct of course but as said below Joe will take him apart and defend his commenta to the hilt

It's personal with McGeeney and plain nasty at this stage
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on May 31, 2016, 09:26:27 AM
Good read and very on point, it is easy to assume there must be a fallout with cross players due to the lack of them but most have valid reasons for not being a part of the panel.  Aaron Kernan has gave 10 years' service to the team also, a long slog for any player. 

With respect to Brolly, most of what he says is true, but his manner and snide tone in which he says it really hinders his punditry and analysis.  Also some of his facts are blatantly wrong.  Mc Geeneys "vice grip" on Armagh football is factitious, as Maghery had the Forkers playing league football for at least 1 match I know of, but sure someone sitting listening to it would believe it, such comments would indicate research at some level. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:36:22 AM
There is a huge level of hypocrisy involved with Brolly though. Derry give what most people would consider to be a more shambolic performance than Armagh 7 days previously and yet there was no scathing criticism of Barton, his methods and he simply wrote a hunorous piece about the death of Derry football. However with Armagh it was a personal attack on McGeeney. I get the fact that McGeeney attracts criticism due to the resources that he demands be pumped into his teams and the fact that he has not got an awful lot of time for football lower down the food chain. That is no justification for some of Brolly's comments though and its good to see Grimley giving him some back. For those who claim that Grimley has given Brolly ammunition to pick apart, please point out what exactly you mean. Brolly himself came out with some ridiculous statements as well stating that Paul Hughes was one of the best defenders in Ireland and that Tony Kernan was one of the best footballers in Ireland. Both fine players in their own right but Brolly was exsaggerating wildly just to take a cut at McGeeney. Brolly sees things in black and white. For years now he has been praising Crossmaglen excessively and was at it again on Sunday stating that 7 or 8 Crossmaglen players should be on the county team. Even the most ardent Crossmaglen follower would find it hard to make an argument here.

I'm not sure if it's McGeeneys professionalism and the fact that his career has been built around the GAA, is what gets Brollys goat more than anything or whether there is genuine friction between them. I seem to remember McGeeney throwing an ice bucket of water over Brolly a few years ago, I think he might want to throw something different over him now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 09:37:30 AM
McGeeney can't win. Either the argument or football wise
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 31, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
As with all of Brollys comments, there is truth in them but they are usually exaggerated for entertainment value. County managers are up there to be shot at. My experience of county managers is that they usually have egos the size of small country's so if they don't perform then they know what to expect. The question however is where the line is, and Joe regularly crosses the line.
GAA people are smart enough to know where the line is and know when Joe crosses it and when he doesn't.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 31, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:36:22 AM
There is a huge level of hypocrisy involved with Brolly though. Derry give what most people would consider to be a more shambolic performance than Armagh 7 days previously and yet there was no scathing criticism of Barton, his methods and he simply wrote a hunorous piece about the death of Derry football. However with Armagh it was a personal attack on McGeeney. I get the fact that McGeeney attracts criticism due to the resources that he demands be pumped into his teams and the fact that he has not got an awful lot of time for football lower down the food chain. That is no justification for some of Brolly's comments though and its good to see Grimley giving him some back. For those who claim that Grimley has given Brolly ammunition to pick apart, please point out what exactly you mean. Brolly himself came out with some ridiculous statements as well stating that Paul Hughes was one of the best defenders in Ireland and that Tony Kernan was one of the best footballers in Ireland. Both fine players in their own right but Brolly was exsaggerating wildly just to take a cut at McGeeney. Brolly sees things in black and white. For years now he has been praising Crossmaglen excessively and was at it again on Sunday stating that 7 or 8 Crossmaglen players should be on the county team. Even the most ardent Crossmaglen follower would find it hard to make an argument here.

I'm not sure if it's McGeeneys professionalism and the fact that his career has been built around the GAA, is what gets Brollys goat more than anything or whether there is genuine friction between them. I seem to remember McGeeney throwing an ice bucket of water over Brolly a few years ago, I think he might want to throw something different over him now.

My recollection is that he was very critical of Derry and Barton however it's worth considering that Barton is in year one of his inter county career. And took on a team with low enough aspirations.  McGeeney invites extra scrutiny given his persona and actions Eg: level of payment he commanded in Kildare, poaching a Cavan player etc etc. Rightly or wrongly, all of this means he's open to a higher level of criticism when his team doesn't perform and in fairness they haven't performed since he took over.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: ck on May 31, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:36:22 AM
There is a huge level of hypocrisy involved with Brolly though. Derry give what most people would consider to be a more shambolic performance than Armagh 7 days previously and yet there was no scathing criticism of Barton, his methods and he simply wrote a hunorous piece about the death of Derry football. However with Armagh it was a personal attack on McGeeney. I get the fact that McGeeney attracts criticism due to the resources that he demands be pumped into his teams and the fact that he has not got an awful lot of time for football lower down the food chain. That is no justification for some of Brolly's comments though and its good to see Grimley giving him some back. For those who claim that Grimley has given Brolly ammunition to pick apart, please point out what exactly you mean. Brolly himself came out with some ridiculous statements as well stating that Paul Hughes was one of the best defenders in Ireland and that Tony Kernan was one of the best footballers in Ireland. Both fine players in their own right but Brolly was exsaggerating wildly just to take a cut at McGeeney. Brolly sees things in black and white. For years now he has been praising Crossmaglen excessively and was at it again on Sunday stating that 7 or 8 Crossmaglen players should be on the county team. Even the most ardent Crossmaglen follower would find it hard to make an argument here.

I'm not sure if it's McGeeneys professionalism and the fact that his career has been built around the GAA, is what gets Brollys goat more than anything or whether there is genuine friction between them. I seem to remember McGeeney throwing an ice bucket of water over Brolly a few years ago, I think he might want to throw something different over him now.

My recollection is that he was very critical of Derry and Barton however it's worth considering that Barton is in year one of his inter county career. And took on a team with low enough aspirations.  McGeeney invites extra scrutiny given his persona and actions Eg: level of payment he commanded in Kildare, poaching a Cavan player etc etc. Rightly or wrongly, all of this means he's open to a higher level of criticism when his team doesn't perform and in fairness they haven't performed since he took over.

He made a humourous remark about the death of Derry football, there was no analysis of mistakes made by Barton or personal comments about him not having a clue etc. He has had a vicious pop at successive Armagh managers and whilst criticism is fine if constructive he has been way over the top with McGeeney. The Johnston incident was a goo few years ago and was a bad error of judgement for which he was widely criticised at the time. Yes, performances have been poor, most people can accept that, but it can't ALL be simply pinned onto the manager. There are a whole host of reasons why Armagh have not produced results, not least of all because the players simply aren't of the quality of a previous era. In Armagh's case though, the players should be grateful that McGeeney is there to absorb most of the blame on their behalf. Whilst I don't agree with all of McGeeney's methods, I'm glad to see Grimley coming out defiant in support of him, its high time that Brolly was held to account.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mup on May 31, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 31, 2016, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)

Fair play, Grimley has never been afraid to stand up to Brolly (one of the few) and he is 100% right in what he has said. It's time he was held to account and reigned in.
McGeeney is an easy target. His combination of intensity and managerial ineptitude

Plus his high wages. He got very very good money in Kildare when the players had to fund raise and build their own gym.

Id say he was looked after in Na Fianna as well.

He's an accountant isn't he?

Trains his team like thugs too.

Have you the figures to back up your assertions?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 10:15:01 AM
In fairness YC he's not gona have a pop at Barton when they were team mates. Although most ppl in Derry wish he would as they want Barton gone!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: No wides on May 31, 2016, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 31, 2016, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 31, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Well said Paul.

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/    (http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0530/792097-paul-grimley/)

Fair play, Grimley has never been afraid to stand up to Brolly (one of the few) and he is 100% right in what he has said. It's time he was held to account and reigned in.
McGeeney is an easy target. His combination of intensity and managerial ineptitude

Plus his high wages. He got very very good money in Kildare when the players had to fund raise and build their own gym.

Id say he was looked after in Na Fianna as well.

He's an accountant isn't he?

Trains his team like thugs too.

That's a hell of a statement, so the hole Armagh squad are thugs, keyboard warrior, you wouldn't have the balls to say that to any player but you call a whole panel of players thugs, you are a lovely fella.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
I only got to see the Brolly show last night and boy was I shocked even though I should know better by now. I suppose Brolly's article earlier this year about McGeeney's attack on him at Eamon Coleman's funeral was an indicator of what Joe will be targeting this summer having completely transformed from the "Black Death" angle.

I wonder has Spillane told TSG that he doesn't want to work with Brolly any more or to limit his time with him.
He probably knows Joe will be giving him hell all year that Kerry aren't able for the Dubs any more and he wants to avoid Joe's rants like on Sunday. Spillane had a good pop on him on the Sunday night show correctly saying he was way OTT in his comments.

I think poor Michael Lyster isn't able to control Joe (who is) and while he does slow him up at times Joe finds it hard to not interrupt everyone and not make it all about him. He more or less ignored Lyster's question about the game itself and just launched into the state of the GAA and how intercounty football is having such a terrible effect on the game at club level. He then talked about his own son and strength and conditioning. All good interesting points yes but ITS NOT THE JOE SHOW.
The more I watch it and how many managers and counties are insulted each year the more I am glad Mickey Harte turned his back on them.
I'm no fan of McGeeney and think the way he went about the Seanie Johnston thing for Kildare was disgraceful as eh probably thought it could help him be a successful manager. However, Joe's rant seemed very personal and really stank of revenge for McGeeney's jibe at Joe at him being a terrible waste of his potential.

After the Marty Morrissey comment last year I thought RTE would have clipped his wings a bit and maybe they did briefly but I reckon there is a lot more to come from Joe as he now has the platform to voice his opinions and walk over whoever he likes without much recriminations.
It will be interesting to see how much Spillane and Brolly share a studio this year. I reckon RTE see Brolly has a huge draw for many people who want to see drama on the telly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 31, 2016, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: ck on May 31, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 09:36:22 AM
There is a huge level of hypocrisy involved with Brolly though. Derry give what most people would consider to be a more shambolic performance than Armagh 7 days previously and yet there was no scathing criticism of Barton, his methods and he simply wrote a hunorous piece about the death of Derry football. However with Armagh it was a personal attack on McGeeney. I get the fact that McGeeney attracts criticism due to the resources that he demands be pumped into his teams and the fact that he has not got an awful lot of time for football lower down the food chain. That is no justification for some of Brolly's comments though and its good to see Grimley giving him some back. For those who claim that Grimley has given Brolly ammunition to pick apart, please point out what exactly you mean. Brolly himself came out with some ridiculous statements as well stating that Paul Hughes was one of the best defenders in Ireland and that Tony Kernan was one of the best footballers in Ireland. Both fine players in their own right but Brolly was exsaggerating wildly just to take a cut at McGeeney. Brolly sees things in black and white. For years now he has been praising Crossmaglen excessively and was at it again on Sunday stating that 7 or 8 Crossmaglen players should be on the county team. Even the most ardent Crossmaglen follower would find it hard to make an argument here.

I'm not sure if it's McGeeneys professionalism and the fact that his career has been built around the GAA, is what gets Brollys goat more than anything or whether there is genuine friction between them. I seem to remember McGeeney throwing an ice bucket of water over Brolly a few years ago, I think he might want to throw something different over him now.

My recollection is that he was very critical of Derry and Barton however it's worth considering that Barton is in year one of his inter county career. And took on a team with low enough aspirations.  McGeeney invites extra scrutiny given his persona and actions Eg: level of payment he commanded in Kildare, poaching a Cavan player etc etc. Rightly or wrongly, all of this means he's open to a higher level of criticism when his team doesn't perform and in fairness they haven't performed since he took over.

He made a humourous remark about the death of Derry football, there was no analysis of mistakes made by Barton or personal comments about him not having a clue etc. He has had a vicious pop at successive Armagh managers and whilst criticism is fine if constructive he has been way over the top with McGeeney. The Johnston incident was a goo few years ago and was a bad error of judgement for which he was widely criticised at the time. Yes, performances have been poor, most people can accept that, but it can't ALL be simply pinned onto the manager. There are a whole host of reasons why Armagh have not produced results, not least of all because the players simply aren't of the quality of a previous era. In Armagh's case though, the players should be grateful that McGeeney is there to absorb most of the blame on their behalf. Whilst I don't agree with all of McGeeney's methods, I'm glad to see Grimley coming out defiant in support of him, its high time that Brolly was held to account.

Grimleys comments simply play right into Brollys hands. It keeps the conversation going, keeps the story relevant until he pens his next article where he will reply to Grimley, and again rip McGeeney apart.

I sat in a pub on Sunday watching the game. When Brolly came on after he game a few lads shouted for the bar man to turn it up. When Brolly started his rant, a few men laughed loudly and clapped their hands in glee. RTE know their audience and they deliver to them week in week out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
You can see CK that Lyster and O'Rourke do get a great laugh from Joe and you heard Lyster say in that interview with him earlier this year that they all get on really well.

Joe is very witty and has loads of very entertaining stories where no-one (not even his own sister) is out of bounds.
That's all grand off air but I think there needs to be some control over what can and cannot be said and not let your own relationship with Joe cloud your view of that.
He can make his good points without resorting to personal abuse. Even his comments to O'Rourke about his playing days and then the farm are really not necessary but get a reaction of course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on May 31, 2016, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
You can see CK that Lyster and O'Rourke do get a great laugh from Joe and you heard Lyster say in that interview with him earlier this year that they all get on really well.

Joe is very witty and has loads of very entertaining stories where no-one (not even his own sister) is out of bounds.


I've been in his company a few times through a mutual friend. The first time I met him within two minutes he had told me he was at a charity function the night before, he did it for free and that person X (high profile Ex-Northern Footballer) wanted £500 to attend. Anytime I've seen him since it was the same.

Marty Morrisey was genuinely very hurt about the comments last year by all accounts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 31, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
You can see CK that Lyster and O'Rourke do get a great laugh from Joe and you heard Lyster say in that interview with him earlier this year that they all get on really well.

Joe is very witty and has loads of very entertaining stories where no-one (not even his own sister) is out of bounds.
That's all grand off air but I think there needs to be some control over what can and cannot be said and not let your own relationship with Joe cloud your view of that.
He can make his good points without resorting to personal abuse. Even his comments to O'Rourke about his playing days and then the farm are really not necessary but get a reaction of course.

I thought the farm comment was funny, and it was said in a particular context.
It'd be a common enough joke around Meath anyway with all the Mayo & Leitrim blow-ins.  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 31, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 31, 2016, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
You can see CK that Lyster and O'Rourke do get a great laugh from Joe and you heard Lyster say in that interview with him earlier this year that they all get on really well.

Joe is very witty and has loads of very entertaining stories where no-one (not even his own sister) is out of bounds.


I've been in his company a few times through a mutual friend. The first time I met him within two minutes he had told me he was at a charity function the night before, he did it for free and that person X (high profile Ex-Northern Footballer) wanted £500 to attend. Anytime I've seen him since it was the same.

Marty Morrisey was genuinely very hurt about the comments last year by all accounts.

I just don't understand Brolly's status or how anyone enjoys him. He is bombastic, attention seeking, full of bluster and changes horses depending on what he thinks will generate the most publicity. I think his shtick is old and cliched at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 31, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 31, 2016, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
You can see CK that Lyster and O'Rourke do get a great laugh from Joe and you heard Lyster say in that interview with him earlier this year that they all get on really well.

Joe is very witty and has loads of very entertaining stories where no-one (not even his own sister) is out of bounds.


I've been in his company a few times through a mutual friend. The first time I met him within two minutes he had told me he was at a charity function the night before, he did it for free and that person X (high profile Ex-Northern Footballer) wanted £500 to attend. Anytime I've seen him since it was the same.

Marty Morrisey was genuinely very hurt about the comments last year by all accounts.

No mention of the E150k retainer he gets from RTE annually or the similar figure for his columns in the Independent? All of that cream, generated entirely off the GAA's labour, puts him in a position to aggrandise his "holier than thou" position as he cherry picks where he grants the little people an audience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 31, 2016, 12:56:31 PM
If RTE want to give Joe his own show where he just rants about things then fair enough, I'm sure he get an audience for it and fair play, those who want to watch that sort of thing can fill their boots. But I could be in the minority here, when I genuinely watch the games for the games and I expect analysis of the games, not one man's opinion of all in sundry, that verge on personal abuse week in week out. If I want to hear what he thinks on things I'll read it in his numerous newspaper columns - it's generally the same stuff rehashed for TV anyway. Did Joe make any worthwhile analysis of the actual game on Sunday? Does he ever? He has a pre planned agenda and will roll this out regardless of what happens on the pitch. Had Armagh scored the penalty, fought for a draw or sneaked a win, would Joe have taken back the abuse he has been throwing at McGeeney.

In this particular instance I actually agree with a fair bit of what Joe says but I find the way he goes about in a personal way, on a show like the Sunday Game, just abhorrent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 31, 2016, 01:09:44 PM
I want a Joe Show. Michael usually just gets in the way these days, like a bould mother. O'Rourke seems better able to take the Joe in his stride this year so maybe he can be the foil.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on May 31, 2016, 01:18:08 PM
The Internet has a lot to answer for. Our ability to openly discuss what an ex-county player said about Sunday's game is clear to see. But is it right or wrong? Who is right and who is wrong? Who defines where the median line is?

On the Internet, everyone's view is equal because we all have exactly the same access. But if you met some posters on the street or on the terrace you would probably find yourself inching away.

Joe gets paid well for doing a job of work. But we've hundreds of people pouring over his every work. Society as a whole does not yet know the impact this has on society as a whole!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 31, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 31, 2016, 01:18:08 PM
The Internet has a lot to answer for. Our ability to openly discuss what an ex-county player said about Sunday's game is clear to see. But is it right or wrong? Who is right and who is wrong? Who defines where the median line is?

On the Internet, everyone's view is equal because we all have exactly the same access. But if you met some posters on the street or on the terrace you would probably find yourself inching away.

Joe gets paid well for doing a job of work. But we've hundreds of people pouring over his every work. Society as a whole does not yet know the impact this has on society as a whole!

Brolly doesn't have any access to me because I don't listen to him anymore. Grimley's piece is interesting but would it not be better to hear a McGeeney or a Grimley ask: 'is Joe still on the telly? - Never watched him meself.'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on May 31, 2016, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
I think poor Michael Lyster isn't able to control Joe (who is) and while he does slow him up at times Joe finds it hard to not interrupt everyone and not make it all about him. He more or less ignored Lyster's question about the game itself and just launched into the state of the GAA and how intercounty football is having such a terrible effect on the game at club level. He then talked about his own son and strength and conditioning. All good interesting points yes but ITS NOT THE JOE SHOW.

When you compare the punditry of the likes of MOTD/SKY where they have interest only on the product that is the premiership, I like GAA pundits to have a link and understanding on what is happening to the lower tiers due to changes at the top level. That's very important in my eyes.

Important distinction between K McG and most in the GAA is he has made a career for himself managing football teams. I think that leaves him open to a higher level of criticism that the boy who's doing his best for the love of the game
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: naka on May 31, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
In terms of expenditure I think Armagh is one of the highest in Ireland. I know they've improved recently in hurling but there seems to be big money pumped into the footballers.
Most of the money pumped into Armagh football is at under age level in both codes
Anyone who bothers to check the expenditure in detail will know that
Armagh are trying to match Tyrone in  football and push on in hurling
It's lazy to slate the expenditure but all guys who contribute to the county get to see the accounts with an explanation
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 31, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on May 31, 2016, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
I think poor Michael Lyster isn't able to control Joe (who is) and while he does slow him up at times Joe finds it hard to not interrupt everyone and not make it all about him. He more or less ignored Lyster's question about the game itself and just launched into the state of the GAA and how intercounty football is having such a terrible effect on the game at club level. He then talked about his own son and strength and conditioning. All good interesting points yes but ITS NOT THE JOE SHOW.

When you compare the punditry of the likes of MOTD/SKY where they have interest only on the product that is the premiership, I like GAA pundits to have a link and understanding on what is happening to the lower tiers due to changes at the top level. That's very important in my eyes.

Important distinction between K McG and most in the GAA is he has made a career for himself managing football teams. I think that leaves him open to a higher level of criticism that the boy who's doing his best for the love of the game

There are loads of career managers at the moment in the gaa. A huge number of clubs at the moment are shelling out huge amounts of money to pay for outside managers. In fact the boys doing it for the love of the club would almost be in the minority at this moment in time. Brolly's rant against mcgeeney was personal for some reason and he seemed to really enjoy sticking the boot in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Brolly is the GF version of dunphy. It is a clown show.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
Brolly=Dunphy=Hook. RTE has always thrived on a joker to boost the ratings.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on May 31, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: naka on May 31, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
In terms of expenditure I think Armagh is one of the highest in Ireland. I know they've improved recently in hurling but there seems to be big money pumped into the footballers.
Most of the money pumped into Armagh football is at under age level in both codes
Anyone who bothers to check the expenditure in detail will know that
Armagh are trying to match Tyrone in  football and push on in hurling
It's lazy to slate the expenditure but all guys who contribute to the county get to see the accounts with an explanation
naka, I'd like to see evidence of your statement in bold.  I remember looking at the accounts listed at the county AGM and the amount of money spent specifically on the county senior team was off the charts.  As BCB has stated, we should be investing in more coaches coming into schools and clubs and then there would be something tangible to back your claim up.  I am aware of what is going on at the Orchard Academy and whilst there is good work going on there I wouldn't imagine it is costing the county board a lot of money.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 02:11:31 PM
Quote from: naka on May 31, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
In terms of expenditure I think Armagh is one of the highest in Ireland. I know they've improved recently in hurling but there seems to be big money pumped into the footballers.
Most of the money pumped into Armagh football is at under age level in both codes
Anyone who bothers to check the expenditure in detail will know that
Armagh are trying to match Tyrone in  football and push on in hurling
It's lazy to slate the expenditure but all guys who contribute to the county get to see the accounts with an explanation

Is this in the last 2-3 years? There has been little return at minor level. Perhaps that will change with this years minor squad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
Armagh are paying for years of neglect at county board level when the 00's team was in it's pomp. The fact that the team was going well on the field masked a lot of problems off it. Failure to maximise sponsorship revenues when the potential was there meant that they failed to invest in a suitable centralised training faciliity. There was also a lack of investment in coaching at schools level. In fairness some of the issues have been attempted to be put right in the last few years but unfortunately it has co-incided with a dip in the performance of the senior team. For me those 2 areas are where the money still needs to be prioritised the most. Underage coaching and a suitable training centre for the county teams to prepare. 

Was there a table published at the satrt of the year showing team expenditure for last year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
Armagh are paying for years of neglect at county board level when the 00's team was in it's pomp. The fact that the team was going well on the field masked a lot of problems off it. Failure to maximise sponsorship revenues when the potential was there meant that they failed to invest in a suitable centralised training faciliity. There was also a lack of investment in coaching at schools level. In fairness some of the issues have been attempted to be put right in the last few years but unfortunately it has co-incided with a dip in the performance of the senior team. For me those 2 areas are where the money still needs to be prioritised the most. Underage coaching and a suitable training centre for the county teams to prepare. 

Was there a table published at the satrt of the year showing team expenditure for last year?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html

Limerick, Wexford and Armagh are the stand out ones!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: naka on May 31, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
Armagh are paying for years of neglect at county board level when the 00's team was in it's pomp. The fact that the team was going well on the field masked a lot of problems off it. Failure to maximise sponsorship revenues when the potential was there meant that they failed to invest in a suitable centralised training faciliity. There was also a lack of investment in coaching at schools level. In fairness some of the issues have been attempted to be put right in the last few years but unfortunately it has co-incided with a dip in the performance of the senior team. For me those 2 areas are where the money still needs to be prioritised the most. Underage coaching and a suitable training centre for the county teams to prepare. 

Was there a table published at the satrt of the year showing team expenditure for last year?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html

Limerick, Wexford and Armagh are the stand out ones!
Wouldn't accept that Armagh expenditure was more than Tyrone or Donegal so would take that with a pinch of salt
A few posters know who I am and know that I am content to contribute money to Armagh
At the day at the races a full breakdown of expenditure was published
Showing the vast majority of money goes below the senior team
It's easy to recollect the money spent in the glory days but now the focus is on developing a strategy to get back to the top table
Work is being done in the schools
We had St. Paul's st pats Armagh , st Ronans as well as a fair chunk of players playing for abbey and college in the mc Rory


It will take time but we are in a far better place than we were 5 years ago
Armagh are trying to bring coaches and leaders in at all levels id development from u14 up
Which can only be applauded
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 03:00:30 PM
What's the story with St Pats Armagh? They never seem to compete at all at colleges level these days. Do most North Armagh lads attend Lurgan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: naka on May 31, 2016, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 03:00:30 PM
What's the story with St Pats Armagh? They never seem to compete at all at colleges level these days. Do most North Armagh lads attend Lurgan?
Struggling with a lot of guys staying in Tyrone and st Ronans.
But still playing mc Rory
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on May 31, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Yeah St Ronan's is now the hub for College football in North Armagh (Lurgan) with the small exception who would travel to St Pats Armagh or St Colman's Newry. St Michael's Grammar school merged with St Paul's JHS and St Mary's to form St Ronans. Should take a few years to establish but once it's up and running proper they should be decent enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shark on May 31, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: naka on May 31, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
Armagh are paying for years of neglect at county board level when the 00's team was in it's pomp. The fact that the team was going well on the field masked a lot of problems off it. Failure to maximise sponsorship revenues when the potential was there meant that they failed to invest in a suitable centralised training faciliity. There was also a lack of investment in coaching at schools level. In fairness some of the issues have been attempted to be put right in the last few years but unfortunately it has co-incided with a dip in the performance of the senior team. For me those 2 areas are where the money still needs to be prioritised the most. Underage coaching and a suitable training centre for the county teams to prepare. 

Was there a table published at the satrt of the year showing team expenditure for last year?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html

Limerick, Wexford and Armagh are the stand out ones!
Wouldn't accept that Armagh expenditure was more than Tyrone or Donegal so would take that with a pinch of salt
A few posters know who I am and know that I am content to contribute money to Armagh
At the day at the races a full breakdown of expenditure was published
Showing the vast majority of money goes below the senior team
It's easy to recollect the money spent in the glory days but now the focus is on developing a strategy to get back to the top table
Work is being done in the schools
We had St. Paul's st pats Armagh , st Ronans as well as a fair chunk of players playing for abbey and college in the mc Rory


It will take time but we are in a far better place than we were 5 years ago
Armagh are trying to bring coaches and leaders in at all levels id development from u14 up
Which can only be applauded

The independent article above should come with a major health warning. That is, it's nonsense. Many county senior setups are being funded from outside the county board, so there is no transparency as to what teams are spending.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 31, 2016, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 31, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html

Limerick, Wexford and Armagh are the stand out ones!

This tells that they are less attractive to sponsors and supporters clubs than other inter-county teams.

Getting County Board's to pay expenses for top-level inter-county teams is old-hat.  They have to publish accounts and all sorts of transparent things.  That's the last thing you want when you have a high-profile manager "taking no expenses" and "doing it for the love of the game".  8)

/Jim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on May 31, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 31, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Yeah St Ronan's is now the hub for College football in North Armagh (Lurgan) with the small exception who would travel to St Pats Armagh or St Colman's Newry. St Michael's Grammar school merged with St Paul's JHS and St Mary's to form St Ronans. Should take a few years to establish but once it's up and running proper they should be decent enough.

Are there any Armagh men taking football in St Pats?  Did they not bring in Denis Holywood from Ulster Council coaching to have an Armagh football coach in the school?  I think football is taken by M McGleenan, M Harte and D Harte.  The school has done nothing at any level for many years. Meanwhile J Rafferty and M O'Rourke have pulled St Paul's out of years in the wrong competition and are a major force at college level. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 31, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on May 31, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 31, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Yeah St Ronan's is now the hub for College football in North Armagh (Lurgan) with the small exception who would travel to St Pats Armagh or St Colman's Newry. St Michael's Grammar school merged with St Paul's JHS and St Mary's to form St Ronans. Should take a few years to establish but once it's up and running proper they should be decent enough.

Are there any Armagh men taking football in St Pats?  Did they not bring in Denis Holywood from Ulster Council coaching to have an Armagh football coach in the school?  I think football is taken by M McGleenan, M Harte and D Harte.  The school has done nothing at any level for many years. Meanwhile J Rafferty and M O'Rourke have pulled St Paul's out of years in the wrong competition and are a major force at college level.

Three Tyrone men doing a good job keeping the applemunchers deprived of young talent then
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 01, 2016, 10:17:32 AM
Brolly right about McGeeney, not up to this level as a manager, may be a great trainer but that's a world of different to managing a team at this level. Can anyone tell me what was Armagh tactics on Sunday, i didn't see any, except kick long to Stefan Campbell. As for Barton, Derry supporters didn't not want him  for the start and a few said so on the Derry board at the time, again totally not up to this level as was maybe expected, different with McGeeney he been here 7-8 yrs at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on June 01, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
Not saying Brolly is right or wrong,but don't understand the furore over Brolly.Is there a manager who ever lived whobwasn't accused of not having a clue by his own supporters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 01, 2016, 10:32:36 PM
Brolly spot on about McGeeney... once your dealing with paid managers theyre fair game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 11:20:41 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-squeezing-every-last-bit-of-joy-out-of-the-game-34754928.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-squeezing-every-last-bit-of-joy-out-of-the-game-34754928.html)

Finally, the great Sean Lowry contacted me about a piece I wrote a few weeks ago where I mistakenly said he had a few drinks the night before the 1982 final to settle his nerves, when in fact it was another team-mate. It's better in Sean's own words: "No big deal Joe but a lot of people have contacted me (someone must be reading you). You might mention it on Sunday if possible. You can also say that all Seamus Darby had to play for was 5 minutes and get 1 kick, we had to keep it kicked out for nearly 70 minutes!"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 31, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
I just don't understand Brolly's status or how anyone enjoys him. He is bombastic, attention seeking, full of bluster and changes horses depending on what he thinks will generate the most publicity. I think his shtick is old and cliched at this stage.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I agree with you AZ and a few others here in how he changes his horse so often and just focuses on creating the most uproar. The fact that he often makes some good true points keeps loads of people on his side as they see him standing up and being outspoken where most are not.
A lot of people love hearing a good row and if I'm honest even though he annoys me I still find myself wanting to hear what he's gonna say this week and will Spillane react. It makes good TV for lots of people I suppose.

I feel he makes a lot of money off the GAA media bandwagon (RTE and newspapers etc) so it's a lot easier for him to go to events for free but he's a bit like the Pharisees in the bible who make sure he lets you know he's there for free to reap the benefit of that and tell who else isn't there for free. I suppose what I dislike the most about Joe is his two faced personality where he appears to go meet people face to face and be all nice to them and then behind their back tear their personality to threads.

I heard Sean Cavanagh talk about the aftermath of Joe's attack on him after "that tackle" and how non GAA people in his work perceived him differently and how his parents and wife had to deal with people bringing it up and changing people's perception. Joe doesn't seem to care a damn what people think of him and is why he continues to be so out spoken but not everyone else is like that and he needs to respect that. I wonder what he said to Marty last year in way of an apology. You would imagine it was rather dismissive of the whole thing. Just a bit of craic Marty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.

Is McGeeney not?

Are clubs around the country not getting fleeced by average outside managers??

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 02, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 31, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
I just don't understand Brolly's status or how anyone enjoys him. He is bombastic, attention seeking, full of bluster and changes horses depending on what he thinks will generate the most publicity. I think his shtick is old and cliched at this stage.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I agree with you AZ and a few others here in how he changes his horse so often and just focuses on creating the most uproar. The fact that he often makes some good true points keeps loads of people on his side as they see him standing up and being outspoken where most are not.
A lot of people love hearing a good row and if I'm honest even though he annoys me I still find myself wanting to hear what he's gonna say this week and will Spillane react. It makes good TV for lots of people I suppose.

I feel he makes a lot of money off the GAA media bandwagon (RTE and newspapers etc) so it's a lot easier for him to go to events for free but he's a bit like the Pharisees in the bible who make sure he lets you know he's there for free to reap the benefit of that and tell who else isn't there for free. I suppose what I dislike the most about Joe is his two faced personality where he appears to go meet people face to face and be all nice to them and then behind their back tear their personality to threads.

I heard Sean Cavanagh talk about the aftermath of Joe's attack on him after "that tackle" and how non GAA people in his work perceived him differently and how his parents and wife had to deal with people bringing it up and changing people's perception. Joe doesn't seem to care a damn what people think of him and is why he continues to be so out spoken but not everyone else is like that and he needs to respect that. I wonder what he said to Marty last year in way of an apology. You would imagine it was rather dismissive of the whole thing. Just a bit of craic Marty.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's been said he donates the money he makes from RTE and his columns... let's be honest he has plenty of money and I don't think he's on RTE or writing columns to make his fortune it's all for the Joe show!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.

Is McGeeney not?

Are clubs around the country not getting fleeced by average outside managers??

I dunno if he gets paid and if he does from who and how much? Couldn't tell u and couldn't prove it either
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.

Is McGeeney not?

Are clubs around the country not getting fleeced by average outside managers??

I dunno if he gets paid and if he does from who and how much? Couldn't tell u and couldn't prove it either

Nor can I and I doubt we will ever be in a position to prove anything
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on June 02, 2016, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.

Is McGeeney not?

Are clubs around the country not getting fleeced by average outside managers??

Yes, there are loads of well paid managers around the country. That's why it's not fair to single out mcgeeney as if he's the only one. His record isn't that bad and most players who've played for him have tremendous respect for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 02, 2016, 12:12:03 PM
Managers and backroom personnel get paid!!!?????
Get outa town. :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 02, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2016, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 02, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 31, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
I just don't understand Brolly's status or how anyone enjoys him. He is bombastic, attention seeking, full of bluster and changes horses depending on what he thinks will generate the most publicity. I think his shtick is old and cliched at this stage.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I agree with you AZ and a few others here in how he changes his horse so often and just focuses on creating the most uproar. The fact that he often makes some good true points keeps loads of people on his side as they see him standing up and being outspoken where most are not.
A lot of people love hearing a good row and if I'm honest even though he annoys me I still find myself wanting to hear what he's gonna say this week and will Spillane react. It makes good TV for lots of people I suppose.

I feel he makes a lot of money off the GAA media bandwagon (RTE and newspapers etc) so it's a lot easier for him to go to events for free but he's a bit like the Pharisees in the bible who make sure he lets you know he's there for free to reap the benefit of that and tell who else isn't there for free. I suppose what I dislike the most about Joe is his two faced personality where he appears to go meet people face to face and be all nice to them and then behind their back tear their personality to threads.

I heard Sean Cavanagh talk about the aftermath of Joe's attack on him after "that tackle" and how non GAA people in his work perceived him differently and how his parents and wife had to deal with people bringing it up and changing people's perception. Joe doesn't seem to care a damn what people think of him and is why he continues to be so out spoken but not everyone else is like that and he needs to respect that. I wonder what he said to Marty last year in way of an apology. You would imagine it was rather dismissive of the whole thing. Just a bit of craic Marty.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's been said he donates the money he makes from RTE and his columns... let's be honest he has plenty of money and I don't think he's on RTE or writing columns to make his fortune it's all for the Joe show!!

Since when was writing a column or being a pundit on RTE an amateur sport?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 02, 2016, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 02, 2016, 12:12:03 PM
Managers and backroom personnel get paid!!!?????
Get outa town. :o

nothing new but if someone is paid to do a job and its shoddy they deserve criticised
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on June 02, 2016, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 02, 2016, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
As someone alluded to earlier - criticising players is wrong but paid managers. Well that's par for the course to me!

Well Walter spill the beans and tell us who is getting paid and how much? Please provide the evidence too.

Is McGeeney not?

Are clubs around the country not getting fleeced by average outside managers??

Yes, there are loads of well paid managers around the country. That's why it's not fair to single out mcgeeney as if he's the only one. His record isn't that bad and most players who've played for him have tremendous respect for him.

To be honest, his record in Kildare was average at best. There apparently was a ton of money thrown into the process also, so as an earlier blogger alluded to, you do leave yourself open to criticism when that is taking place especially without success.
I did meet a former Kildare inter county player two or three years ago, and remarked that the players all seem to like him, his answer was why wouldn't they, he hasn't dropped one of them off the panel in three years.

Brolly does exaggerate when it suits him no doubt, and as a Mayoman, I will never forget when he was drinking Jim's kool-aid and the PR work he did for Jim and Donegal prior to the All-Ireland in 2012, when he used his pulpit to "highlight" cynical Mayo. Pathetic to say the least, now he loves Mayo.

Moving on from that, I could have listened to the debate last Sunday afternoon for another hour. Whether we like it or not, GAA is now dictated by money, be it GPA, sponsorship, county team doctors and physios, dieticians to mention a few. Who is being affected most, Clubs, Players through injury, etc.....

It would not be a bad thing if the season was condensed a bit and let the clubs who ultimately are the key drivers of the GAA, operate in a somewhat normal fashion.

One last point he did make about Armagh, was the student in Queens who could not show up for collective weight training and was therefore not considered to be part of the squad, if true then this is daft.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mackers on June 02, 2016, 02:33:45 PM
There is history between Armagh and the man that was overseeing the S&C training in Queens, I would imagine that was a factor in that decision.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LilySavage on June 02, 2016, 09:08:07 PM
Joes a great fella..loved by many men and women allover Ireland.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on June 02, 2016, 09:30:37 PM
RTE sport is a circus
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 02, 2016, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on June 02, 2016, 09:08:07 PM
Joes a great fella..loved by many men and women allover Ireland.

Carefully now...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2016, 09:30:37 PM
RTE sport is a circus
Except for the jolly old Dublin4 ROGBY of course.
They were drooling themselves this evening over some Summer tour friendlies. >:(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: regal on June 03, 2016, 12:09:36 AM
A ball bag
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on June 03, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
He defends his comments pretty well in The Gaelic Life - puts it up to the Armagh County Board.............
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on June 03, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
Haven't listened to what he said but chances are there was a some bit of truth in it. It's the personal and snide manner in which he delivers his comments that mark him out as a w*nker though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2016, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: The Trap on June 03, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
He defends his comments pretty well in The Gaelic Life - puts it up to the Armagh County Board.............

Any links?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: The Trap on June 03, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
He defends his comments pretty well in The Gaelic Life - puts it up to the Armagh County Board.............

No surprise there. How many platforms has he weekly to spout his shite?

No doubt it will be more made up facts wrapped in hyperbole that the masses will swallow as reasonable
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2016, 10:08:48 AM
Did anyone listen to Second Captains yesterday with Oisin McConville? As ever he talks a lot of sense on the whole issue. Very much like Derry, Armagh don't have the players but they probably could be operating better than their current showing.

As for Joe - he's a great fella but he's not wise. Some very sensitive souls around the country!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 03, 2016, 10:15:19 AM
He hit a home run in Gaelic Life!  Nailed it  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on June 03, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: The Trap on June 03, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
He defends his comments pretty well in The Gaelic Life - puts it up to the Armagh County Board.............

No surprise there. How many platforms has he weekly to spout his shite?

No doubt it will be more made up facts wrapped in hyperbole that the masses will swallow as reasonable

Aye but he was talking to a former County player last week who said....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?

its in Gaelic Life  and heeeee nails it!!!! :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?

its in Gaelic Life  and heeeee nails it!!!! :P

He really doesn't  :o

To be clear about what Brolly is demanding for his next bout of "look at me"...

The highest paid barrister in the country, highest paid sporting analyst in the country and live broadcaster of many years wishes to ridicule another volunteer of the association but this time on live tv. I'm not sure what Paul McArdle does for a living or what his live debate / tv experience would be but I dare say he didn't put his hand up to work on committees etc with the goal of being served on a plate to this parasite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Bearded One on June 03, 2016, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?

its in Gaelic Life  and heeeee nails it!!!! :P

He really doesn't  :o

To be clear about what Brolly is demanding for his next bout of "look at me"...

The highest paid barrister in the country, highest paid sporting analyst in the country and live broadcaster of many years wishes to ridicule another volunteer of the association but this time on live tv. I'm not sure what Paul McArdle does for a living or what his live debate / tv experience would be but I dare say he didn't put his hand up to work on committees etc with the goal of being served on a plate to this parasite.

DuffleKing you have managed to sum this up much better than I could have done. Joe's proposal for a live TV debate with someone from the Armagh Co Board is ridiculous, knowing full well they wouldn't stand a chance. Am I right in saying that bar the first couple of paragraphs, where Joe gets another go at bashing Amragh, this is the article that appeared in the Sunday paper before the Armagh game?

For the record I enjoy the Joe Show and for the most part find him easy to watch and entertaining. He has some very strong views on the game and the direction the GAA is traveling which I fully support. This does excuse his often over the top, personal attacks on individuals involved in our games which I find to be more than questionable at times.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on June 03, 2016, 03:54:49 PM
Duffle King and The Bearded One - you both say the Armagh County Board person wouldn't stand a chance because Joe is a better debater. What about the fact that the questions he asks would make it very uncomfortable for the county board official to answer even if Joe was to keep completely silent? Most county boards by the way and not just the Armagh County Board that is..........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 03, 2016, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?

its in Gaelic Life  and heeeee nails it!!!! :P

He really doesn't  :o

To be clear about what Brolly is demanding for his next bout of "look at me"...

The highest paid barrister in the country, highest paid sporting analyst in the country and live broadcaster of many years wishes to ridicule another volunteer of the association but this time on live tv. I'm not sure what Paul McArdle does for a living or what his live debate / tv experience would be but I dare say he didn't put his hand up to work on committees etc with the goal of being served on a plate to this parasite.

He's only defending the association from being destroyed.... McGeeney a volunteer?  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on June 03, 2016, 04:16:15 PM
Any chance everyone could totally ignore Brolly for a week.
I never listen when he's on and indeed seldom watch much of the analysis at any time.
Please bring back Seò Spòirt TG4.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2016, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 03, 2016, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2016, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Has he elaborated on the 8 Crossmaglen players who walked away from the panel?

its in Gaelic Life  and heeeee nails it!!!! :P

He really doesn't  :o

To be clear about what Brolly is demanding for his next bout of "look at me"...

The highest paid barrister in the country, highest paid sporting analyst in the country and live broadcaster of many years wishes to ridicule another volunteer of the association but this time on live tv. I'm not sure what Paul McArdle does for a living or what his live debate / tv experience would be but I dare say he didn't put his hand up to work on committees etc with the goal of being served on a plate to this parasite.

He's only defending the association from being destroyed.... McGeeney a volunteer?  ::)

Think he's referring to this McArdle fella as a volunteer??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 03, 2016, 04:43:34 PM
still have to be accountable...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on June 03, 2016, 05:08:54 PM
See jamie clarke has released a statement supporting Kieran Mc Geeney. He wants to concentrate on the fashion indusry and he obviously has not got the time for football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2016, 05:26:18 PM
Benny Tierney writes a decent piece in today's Irish News backing up the gist of what Brolly said (although criticising the way he went about it and the personal attack of McGeeney).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 03, 2016, 05:26:36 PM
He must have read the Fearon thread ;D (Unfortunately I think the guy is probably deluded enough to believe that!!)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on June 04, 2016, 07:45:42 AM
The GAA and what it means to the dyed in the wool club man is so far removed from what it means to someone who's interest in it is to a very large degree is about substantial financial gain, so that wouldnt be a surprise in my book. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on June 04, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
So your mcgeeny is in it only for the money. Nonsense. How much is he costing Armagh
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 04, 2016, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 04, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
So your mcgeeny is in it only for the money. Nonsense. How much is he costing Armagh

Lifted a fortune at Kildare and oversaw the Seanie Johnson affair... an anathema to the ethos of the  GAA. Croke Park had to bail Kildare out that time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on June 04, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 04, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
So your mcgeeny is in it only for the money. Nonsense. How much is he costing Armagh

100% totally agree. Total nonsense...... if that was what I said  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

Sure it is easy to criticise. If Armagh win a few games in qualifiers he will be great again.

I have seen every Armagh game since he became manager. To be truthful things are not great. Resources are not great either. What we do not know yet is if this is the start of a journey of improvement or the way it is to continue.

Specifically on the Cavan game I feel the league result had a big bearing on the tactics for last week's game. In the league Armagh were destroyed at the kick outs and were physically not up to it. He tried an elaborate kick out strategy and brought physically stronger players like McKeever back in to help. But for a penalty miss it might have worked - or got close too. I would expect the younger players to be reintroduced in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 04, 2016, 10:56:22 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

Sure it is easy to criticise. If Armagh win a few games in qualifiers he will be great again.

I have seen every Armagh game since he became manager. To be truthful things are not great. Resources are not great either. What we do not know yet is if this is the start of a journey of improvement or the way it is to continue.

Specifically on the Cavan game I feel the league result had a big bearing on the tactics for last week's game. In the league Armagh were destroyed at the kick outs and were physically not up to it. He tried an elaborate kick out strategy and brought physically stronger players like McKeever back in to help. But for a penalty miss it might have worked - or got close too. I would expect the younger players to be reintroduced in the qualifiers.
should have practiced penalties
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

Sure it is easy to criticise. If Armagh win a few games in qualifiers he will be great again.

I have seen every Armagh game since he became manager. To be truthful things are not great. Resources are not great either. What we do not know yet is if this is the start of a journey of improvement or the way it is to continue.

Specifically on the Cavan game I feel the league result had a big bearing on the tactics for last week's game. In the league Armagh were destroyed at the kick outs and were physically not up to it. He tried an elaborate kick out strategy and brought physically stronger players like McKeever back in to help. But for a penalty miss it might have worked - or got close too. I would expect the younger players to be reintroduced in the qualifiers.

To be fair, they were still destroyed on kick-outs and physically dominated.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on June 04, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Did Jamie Clarke's statement come with a recognised code word?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 04, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Did Jamie Clarke's statement come with a recognised code word?

yeah- fucthebegrudgers
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on June 04, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

Sure it is easy to criticise. If Armagh win a few games in qualifiers he will be great again.

I have seen every Armagh game since he became manager. To be truthful things are not great. Resources are not great either. What we do not know yet is if this is the start of a journey of improvement or the way it is to continue.

Specifically on the Cavan game I feel the league result had a big bearing on the tactics for last week's game. In the league Armagh were destroyed at the kick outs and were physically not up to it. He tried an elaborate kick out strategy and brought physically stronger players like McKeever back in to help. But for a penalty miss it might have worked - or got close too. I would expect the younger players to be reintroduced in the qualifiers.

To be fair, they were still destroyed on kick-outs and physically dominated.

Armagh won 20 of their own kickouts in that game, but only one of cavans
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 04:23:20 PM
Cavan won 63% of contested kick-outs.
Armagh took a lot of short kick-outs because of this which make the kick-out stats look more respectable.
A short kick-out should be guaranteed possession.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on June 04, 2016, 04:31:51 PM
Indeed, most of armaghs successful lockouts were win inside their 20. Most of cavans on the half way line. Beware of naked stats.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on June 04, 2016, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 04, 2016, 04:31:51 PM
Indeed, most of armaghs successful lockouts were win inside their 20. Most of cavans on the half way line. Beware of naked stats.

You said it!  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Did Jamie Clarke's statement come with a recognised code word?

Yes it was tonyfearonisacunt but it was hard to decipher!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 04, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

Sure it is easy to criticise. If Armagh win a few games in qualifiers he will be great again.

I have seen every Armagh game since he became manager. To be truthful things are not great. Resources are not great either. What we do not know yet is if this is the start of a journey of improvement or the way it is to continue.

Specifically on the Cavan game I feel the league result had a big bearing on the tactics for last week's game. In the league Armagh were destroyed at the kick outs and were physically not up to it. He tried an elaborate kick out strategy and brought physically stronger players like McKeever back in to help. But for a penalty miss it might have worked - or got close too. I would expect the younger players to be reintroduced in the qualifiers.

To be fair, they were still destroyed on kick-outs and physically dominated.

Armagh won 20 of their own kickouts in that game, but only one of cavans

Which is about 20 more than they won in the league match!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on June 04, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Did Jamie Clarke's statement come with a recognised code word?

Yes it was tonyfearonisacunt but it was hard to decipher!

I thought that bit was crystal clear at least!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 04, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

That would be the general consensus in the county alright. A lot of clubs have been hit with additional county board levies in the last few years and are up in arms over the wasted resources. They (the clubs) are bearing the brunt both financially and in terms of access to county players. McGeeneys future will likely be dependent on an extended run in the back door with at least one big result against div 1/2 opposition. However it will not be the county board who make that decision as the tail firmly wags the dog. Having said that, McGeeney has had a lot of sympathy though this week after being slaughtered by Brolly on live tv and that could actually work in his favour. He can develop a siege mentality and at the end of the day he is a fellow county man and possibly our greatest ever player being ridiculed and belittled by a media whore like Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard Officer on June 04, 2016, 09:25:11 PM

Ck - it's bewildering why you keep up this pretence of being a Sligo man. You're an Armagh man and given your history of attacking managers and coaches you seem to have some axe to grind with the GAA coaching world.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2016, 09:42:56 PM
When over Kildare McGeeney never really got them to push on through in Leinster. Difficult I know with the Dublin dominance but it could have been better. They then went on good runs in the qualifiers, helped by favourable early draws. The thing about the qualifiers is that momentum plays such a key role in it. Get a good first round draw and the ball starts rolling, get a good second round and then an AI 1/4 final is in the air. Games every week or second week mean that momentum is retain. Geezers future could actually be determined by the nature of the draw. This team is not good enough under normal circumstances to make it into July and August football but fate is a fickle thing and the right draw and geezer is standing in CP in a few months time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
On the Hill?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2016, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 04, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
On the Hill?

Possibly!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 04, 2016, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Orchard Officer on June 04, 2016, 09:25:11 PM

Ck - it's bewildering why you keep up this pretence of being a Sligo man. You're an Armagh man and given your history of attacking managers and coaches you seem to have some axe to grind with the GAA coaching world.

lol You're some craic. You sound very stressed and even paranoid. Are you Kieran McGeeney?

Good luck in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on June 05, 2016, 01:08:22 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 04, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

That would be the general consensus in the county alright. A lot of clubs have been hit with additional county board levies in the last few years and are up in arms over the wasted resources. They (the clubs) are bearing the brunt both financially and in terms of access to county players. McGeeneys future will likely be dependent on an extended run in the back door with at least one big result against div 1/2 opposition. However it will not be the county board who make that decision as the tail firmly wags the dog. Having said that, McGeeney has had a lot of sympathy though this week after being slaughtered by Brolly on live tv and that could actually work in his favour. He can develop a siege mentality and at the end of the day he is a fellow county man and possibly our greatest ever player being ridiculed and belittled by a media whore like Brolly.

On the finance matter a reliable poster on the county forum stated that the latest accounts from the county board showed that since Geezer came back to Armagh the debt for the county has actually reduced. The burden suffered by the clubs may be as much to do with past problems as current ones.

I have not seen the accounts, or even sought to see them, but this offers an alternative view which if correct may colour the argument.

On another point at least some of the county players played for their clubs on Friday night.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on June 05, 2016, 02:48:51 PM
 Who dressed Joe this morning. Fix your tie ye scruff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
I presume Joseph will prescribe that Eamonn Burns literally,from the top of the Mournes tonight?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 05, 2016, 01:08:22 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 04, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

That would be the general consensus in the county alright. A lot of clubs have been hit with additional county board levies in the last few years and are up in arms over the wasted resources. They (the clubs) are bearing the brunt both financially and in terms of access to county players. McGeeneys future will likely be dependent on an extended run in the back door with at least one big result against div 1/2 opposition. However it will not be the county board who make that decision as the tail firmly wags the dog. Having said that, McGeeney has had a lot of sympathy though this week after being slaughtered by Brolly on live tv and that could actually work in his favour. He can develop a siege mentality and at the end of the day he is a fellow county man and possibly our greatest ever player being ridiculed and belittled by a media whore like Brolly.

On the finance matter a reliable poster on the county forum stated that the latest accounts from the county board showed that since Geezer came back to Armagh the debt for the county has actually reduced. The burden suffered by the clubs may be as much to do with past problems as current ones.

I have not seen the accounts, or even sought to see them, but this offers an alternative view which if correct may colour the argument.

On another point at least some of the county players played for their clubs on Friday night.

An awful lot more detail would be required and you would think that those who are in a position to publish some of the information would be in a position to post all of the information? Especially if they reliable? To be relied on to do what?

What I am getting that is if we had a debt of £1m and were repaying the debt at £50k per year and we got a new regime and they upped the annual income from £250k to £500k by increasing demands on clubs and patrons. The additional monies were spent on teams and managers who go backwards but the £50k annual debt repayments continued to be met. In those circumstances the financial and sporting health of the county would not have improved and from a return on investment perspective would actually have disimproved  it would still be possible to say that "since AN Other came back to the county the debt for the county has actually reduced".

Is it possible that rather than being reliable that your source is not only missing the point but in engaging in a bit of smoke and mirrors to deflect the focus from what the actual point should be?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on June 06, 2016, 12:37:20 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 05, 2016, 01:08:22 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 04, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

That would be the general consensus in the county alright. A lot of clubs have been hit with additional county board levies in the last few years and are up in arms over the wasted resources. They (the clubs) are bearing the brunt both financially and in terms of access to county players. McGeeneys future will likely be dependent on an extended run in the back door with at least one big result against div 1/2 opposition. However it will not be the county board who make that decision as the tail firmly wags the dog. Having said that, McGeeney has had a lot of sympathy though this week after being slaughtered by Brolly on live tv and that could actually work in his favour. He can develop a siege mentality and at the end of the day he is a fellow county man and possibly our greatest ever player being ridiculed and belittled by a media whore like Brolly.

On the finance matter a reliable poster on the county forum stated that the latest accounts from the county board showed that since Geezer came back to Armagh the debt for the county has actually reduced. The burden suffered by the clubs may be as much to do with past problems as current ones.

I have not seen the accounts, or even sought to see them, but this offers an alternative view which if correct may colour the argument.

On another point at least some of the county players played for their clubs on Friday night.

An awful lot more detail would be required and you would think that those who are in a position to publish some of the information would be in a position to post all of the information? Especially if they reliable? To be relied on to do what?

What I am getting that is if we had a debt of £1m and were repaying the debt at £50k per year and we got a new regime and they upped the annual income from £250k to £500k by increasing demands on clubs and patrons. The additional monies were spent on teams and managers who go backwards but the £50k annual debt repayments continued to be met. In those circumstances the financial and sporting health of the county would not have improved and from a return on investment perspective would actually have disimproved  it would still be possible to say that "since AN Other came back to the county the debt for the county has actually reduced".

Is it possible that rather than being reliable that your source is not only missing the point but in engaging in a bit of smoke and mirrors to deflect the focus from what the actual point should be?

Your point could be right or wrong. Without the full information we might never know. I have what most would consider a fairly good understanding of financial matters. The problem is that looking at accounts as a standalone item you are normally only presented with the superficial view. A schedule of income and expenditure might not tell you who spent the money. A balance sheet only shows the balances at a certain date. Without full access to the books and records we can only rely on the information we get. Now if Armagh County Board want me to undertake a review of these records and make my findings public I would willingly do so. Then again that is a bit like Joe Brolly looking for a debate with the county chairman! Never going to happen!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on June 06, 2016, 12:41:07 AM
Missed the Sunday Game but just read the thread. May have to review my last post before the county board come a calling. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
I presume Joseph will prescribe that Eamonn Burns literally,from the top of the Mournes tonight?

What does this mean?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 06, 2016, 12:37:20 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 05, 2016, 01:08:22 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 04, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: ck on June 04, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Met a few Armagh people at an underage blitz yesterday and they all seemed to broadly support Brollys comments. They were scathing of McGeeney and the large sums of money he is paid.
Is this reflective of general Armagh supporters? as it surprised me. I thought McGeeney was untouchable in Armagh

That would be the general consensus in the county alright. A lot of clubs have been hit with additional county board levies in the last few years and are up in arms over the wasted resources. They (the clubs) are bearing the brunt both financially and in terms of access to county players. McGeeneys future will likely be dependent on an extended run in the back door with at least one big result against div 1/2 opposition. However it will not be the county board who make that decision as the tail firmly wags the dog. Having said that, McGeeney has had a lot of sympathy though this week after being slaughtered by Brolly on live tv and that could actually work in his favour. He can develop a siege mentality and at the end of the day he is a fellow county man and possibly our greatest ever player being ridiculed and belittled by a media whore like Brolly.

On the finance matter a reliable poster on the county forum stated that the latest accounts from the county board showed that since Geezer came back to Armagh the debt for the county has actually reduced. The burden suffered by the clubs may be as much to do with past problems as current ones.

I have not seen the accounts, or even sought to see them, but this offers an alternative view which if correct may colour the argument.

On another point at least some of the county players played for their clubs on Friday night.

An awful lot more detail would be required and you would think that those who are in a position to publish some of the information would be in a position to post all of the information? Especially if they reliable? To be relied on to do what?

What I am getting that is if we had a debt of £1m and were repaying the debt at £50k per year and we got a new regime and they upped the annual income from £250k to £500k by increasing demands on clubs and patrons. The additional monies were spent on teams and managers who go backwards but the £50k annual debt repayments continued to be met. In those circumstances the financial and sporting health of the county would not have improved and from a return on investment perspective would actually have disimproved  it would still be possible to say that "since AN Other came back to the county the debt for the county has actually reduced".

Is it possible that rather than being reliable that your source is not only missing the point but in engaging in a bit of smoke and mirrors to deflect the focus from what the actual point should be?

Your point could be right or wrong. Without the full information we might never know. I have what most would consider a fairly good understanding of financial matters. The problem is that looking at accounts as a standalone item you are normally only presented with the superficial view. A schedule of income and expenditure might not tell you who spent the money. A balance sheet only shows the balances at a certain date. Without full access to the books and records we can only rely on the information we get. Now if Armagh County Board want me to undertake a review of these records and make my findings public I would willingly do so. Then again that is a bit like Joe Brolly looking for a debate with the county chairman! Never going to happen!
Quite correct that we just don't know. But in this state of ignorance that you and I share why would statements that all is ok hold any more weight than statements to the contrary?

But far, far more importantly is it not far more vital to focus the debate on what is the level of investment in the various teams and is that investment paying off?

Anyway after last nights intervention we must be getting close to another county board apology to the fans. Its only a question of whether its for affairs on or off the field of play. f**k that was embarrassing. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
We should get Brolly on a crusade about paying to managers. After last night's precedent if he makes that allegation against McGeeney the County Board will have to read a statement on The Sunday Game denying it. 'Cos if they don't ...........

Or maybe the managers would bite the bait and make their own statements?

Time to clean this show up instead of some individuals cleaning up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:55:34 PM
Not sure he is fixated on McGeeney. He has a view on how the game should be played and how players should be allowed to live (in terms of playing, training, socialising, having a family life and having a career). McGeeney falls, or is accused of falling on the other side of that debate.

Not sure Brolly has got on to the payments debate yet but hopefully he will. He should. Its of a piece with his other points.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on June 06, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
If Ger Canning was doing his job properly he should have asked the Armagh Chairman last night in the Sunday Game interview how much they were paying McGeeney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on June 07, 2016, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
If Ger Canning was doing his job properly he should have asked the Armagh Chairman last night in the Sunday Game interview how much they were paying McGeeney.

You're assuming a county board is the only source of any payments/expenses? That's a big assumption Id say
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on June 07, 2016, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:55:34 PM
Not sure he is fixated on McGeeney. He has a view on how the game should be played and how players should be allowed to live (in terms of playing, training, socialising, having a family life and having a career). McGeeney falls, or is accused of falling on the other side of that debate.

Not sure Brolly has got on to the payments debate yet but hopefully he will. He should. Its of a piece with his other points.

I'd agree with all that. But when its one Ulster man taking on another Ulster man, and they know each other, it becomes personalized. Brolly is entirely responsible for that, given his inflammatory language, but the basic points he is trying to make (about overly controlling and demanding managers) are sound. The demands made on players these days are off the charts. It's not going to end, until someone, somewhere calls for a halt to it AND, has the gumption to keep on banging the drum, when its his turn to get it in the neck.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on June 07, 2016, 07:56:41 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Totally agree. This is completely personal for some reason. Brolly has singled mcgeeney out when there are numerous managers and counties in similar situations.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: naka on June 07, 2016, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
If Ger Canning was doing his job properly he should have asked the Armagh Chairman last night in the Sunday Game interview how much they were paying McGeeney.
Nothing paddy☺️
Most county boards don't pay managers
Individuals might though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on June 07, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
the time a manager has to devote to county management in the gaa is unreal so payment is necessary and if individuals with deep pockets provide donations thats their business
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on June 07, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
I think the Armagh County Board was correct in making its statement and standing up to Brolly.  Too often people take it on the chin when treated by media in the way that Kieran McGeeney has been in several forums by Brolly.  If he was in any position other than a football manager, the case could have reached the court given the level of inaccuracies in Brolly's statements.  McGeeney deserved to be supported by his 'employer' and the county board has a duty to him.

Both O'Se and McGuigan bottled it when questioned on the SG, both should have taken the opportunity to put Brolly in his place but decided not to do so, the video report provided the platform and they could have used the situation to let it be known that personalised attacks such as those by Brolly are not acceptable.  Both of them were prepared to say 'ach, it's just Joe and he's a character'.  Says a lot about both of them but not surprised given that both are so involved in the media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 07, 2016, 10:15:35 AM
Have to say I thought the exact same Disillusioned. I knew people would think it was not needed and OTT but usually when somebody attacks you or your players or manager I think you owe it to respond and stand up for yourself and give the other side of the story. As a Tyrone fan we have sat back and been attacked several times from Brolly and many others on RTE and we've "taken it on the chin" but our reputation has suffered for that. Yes many will argue no smoke without fire but there are lots of other counties who get off scott free without the same uproar.
The Armagh County chairman stated there was a lot of inaccuracies in what Joe said and so that alone is enough to say they were right to come on air and state that rather than letting RTE (the National broadcaster) give the rest of the country the impression that Armagh have loads of problems because of their manager who is like Roy Keane.

Brolly has some very good points that he brings up and he seems hell bent on this one now about players not playing club football now so many counties are finding that if they have no real hope of winning any silverware then the players just don't want to play for their county any more. That combined with the levels that the top 5 counties are training at now and have no life outside football means many players are deciding it is not worth it any more and so choose to play with their club instead.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on June 07, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
Joe has raised some very important points, unfortunately he needed to temper the flow of his argument for the greater good and a damn fine argument about the direction the GAA is being taken down has now become an Armagh/Mc Geeney V Brolly point.  I would say he is disappointed to see the direction this is taking. His greater point is perhaps being ignored.   
On another point how long before Armagh clubs start playing their club football in Tyrone, Down and Antrim. Tyrone Hurling clubs are already doing the same as the powerhouse that is Cross, not through their own fault,  is starving the other clubs of any chance of success.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on June 07, 2016, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on June 07, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
I think the Armagh County Board was correct in making its statement and standing up to Brolly.  Too often people take it on the chin when treated by media in the way that Kieran McGeeney has been in several forums by Brolly.  If he was in any position other than a football manager, the case could have reached the court given the level of inaccuracies in Brolly's statements. 


Wouldn't be the first time an RTE analyst had a solicitors letter fired at him from a player/manager
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 07, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.

Who is Sean Kavanagh?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 07, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.

Who is Sean Kavanagh?

Sean Cavanagh's GPA double.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 07, 2016, 07:51:05 PM
I think he just hates nordies tbh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 07, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on June 07, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
I think the Armagh County Board was correct in making its statement and standing up to Brolly.  Too often people take it on the chin when treated by media in the way that Kieran McGeeney has been in several forums by Brolly.  If he was in any position other than a football manager, the case could have reached the court given the level of inaccuracies in Brolly's statements.  McGeeney deserved to be supported by his 'employer' and the county board has a duty to him.

Both O'Se and McGuigan bottled it when questioned on the SG, both should have taken the opportunity to put Brolly in his place but decided not to do so, the video report provided the platform and they could have used the situation to let it be known that personalised attacks such as those by Brolly are not acceptable.  Both of them were prepared to say 'ach, it's just Joe and he's a character'.  Says a lot about both of them but not surprised given that both are so involved in the media.

Brolly has a point but at the end of the day nobody holds a gun to these players. If they want to play county football they no the circumstances and are willing to sacrifice that, there's a lot of perks in it for county players in any case.

What I don't like is the mistruths and spin he puts on it and I have no problem with an Armagh County Board representative coming on and taking him to task over these. He was criticising his own county recently for holding players back from the clubs, this despite the fact that a number of players who played against Tyrone were in club action a week before the Championship game. His attacks on McGeeney (who I wouldn't be a big fan of) are personal and bordering on pathetic. McGeeney's problem is that he has a fairly limited tactical mind and approach to his game but generally the players who have played under him tend to have a great respect for him.

Money is the huge problem in today's game, Dublin are just so far ahead of everyone else and there is no a worrying emerging gap between the 2nd tier teams like Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and the rest.

I think football was at a great place back in the 00s. The big teams were well capable of being got at by smaller counties, you had sides like Fermanagh, Laois, Westmeath, Sligo etc all taking big Championship scalps and they were all sides who the big teams would not take lightly. Those days are gone now and the game is becoming sterile.

I felt very sorry for Kevin McKernan when watching Down on Sunday, a great player, a guy who has given a good 10 years service and who played for a great team in his day now being part of that rabble of a team. I think he deserves great credit for continuing to put the committment required by an intercounty footballer despite being certain in the knowledge he won't achieve anything in the remainder of his Down career.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2016, 09:10:36 PM
QuoteThe big teams were well capable of being got at by smaller counties, you had sides like Fermanagh, Armagh, Laois, Westmeath, Sligo etc all taking big Championship scalps and they were all sides who the big teams would not take lightly.

You missed a shot there...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on June 07, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 07, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
Joe has raised some very important points, unfortunately he needed to temper the flow of his argument for the greater good and a damn fine argument about the direction the GAA is being taken down has now become an Armagh/Mc Geeney V Brolly point.  I would say he is disappointed to see the direction this is taking. His greater point is perhaps being ignored.   
On another point how long before Armagh clubs start playing their club football in Tyrone, Down and Antrim. Tyrone Hurling clubs are already doing the same as the powerhouse that is Cross, not through their own fault,  is starving the other clubs of any chance of success.

Not very likely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GJL on June 07, 2016, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 07, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 07, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
Joe has raised some very important points, unfortunately he needed to temper the flow of his argument for the greater good and a damn fine argument about the direction the GAA is being taken down has now become an Armagh/Mc Geeney V Brolly point.  I would say he is disappointed to see the direction this is taking. His greater point is perhaps being ignored.   
On another point how long before Armagh clubs start playing their club football in Tyrone, Down and Antrim. Tyrone Hurling clubs are already doing the same as the powerhouse that is Cross, not through their own fault,  is starving the other clubs of any chance of success.

Not very likely.

Clubs from these counties have proven over the years that they are well capable of beating Cross so what advantage would it be for other Armagh clubs to move?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on June 08, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 07, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on June 07, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
I think the Armagh County Board was correct in making its statement and standing up to Brolly.  Too often people take it on the chin when treated by media in the way that Kieran McGeeney has been in several forums by Brolly.  If he was in any position other than a football manager, the case could have reached the court given the level of inaccuracies in Brolly's statements.  McGeeney deserved to be supported by his 'employer' and the county board has a duty to him.

Both O'Se and McGuigan bottled it when questioned on the SG, both should have taken the opportunity to put Brolly in his place but decided not to do so, the video report provided the platform and they could have used the situation to let it be known that personalised attacks such as those by Brolly are not acceptable.  Both of them were prepared to say 'ach, it's just Joe and he's a character'.  Says a lot about both of them but not surprised given that both are so involved in the media.

Brolly has a point but at the end of the day nobody holds a gun to these players. If they want to play county football they no the circumstances and are willing to sacrifice that, there's a lot of perks in it for county players in any case.

What I don't like is the mistruths and spin he puts on it and I have no problem with an Armagh County Board representative coming on and taking him to task over these. He was criticising his own county recently for holding players back from the clubs, this despite the fact that a number of players who played against Tyrone were in club action a week before the Championship game. His attacks on McGeeney (who I wouldn't be a big fan of) are personal and bordering on pathetic. McGeeney's problem is that he has a fairly limited tactical mind and approach to his game but generally the players who have played under him tend to have a great respect for him.

Money is the huge problem in today's game, Dublin are just so far ahead of everyone else and there is no a worrying emerging gap between the 2nd tier teams like Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and the rest.

I think football was at a great place back in the 00s. The big teams were well capable of being got at by smaller counties, you had sides like Fermanagh, Laois, Westmeath, Sligo etc all taking big Championship scalps and they were all sides who the big teams would not take lightly. Those days are gone now and the game is becoming sterile.

I felt very sorry for Kevin McKernan when watching Down on Sunday, a great player, a guy who has given a good 10 years service and who played for a great team in his day now being part of that rabble of a team. I think he deserves great credit for continuing to put the committment required by an intercounty footballer despite being certain in the knowledge he won't achieve anything in the remainder of his Down career.
The Laws of unintended consequences.
The Qualifiers were designed to give smaller teams more games. Instead they have given bigger teams second chances and in doing so lessened the chances of the smaller teams.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bensars on June 08, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 08, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 07, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on June 07, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
I think the Armagh County Board was correct in making its statement and standing up to Brolly.  Too often people take it on the chin when treated by media in the way that Kieran McGeeney has been in several forums by Brolly.  If he was in any position other than a football manager, the case could have reached the court given the level of inaccuracies in Brolly's statements.  McGeeney deserved to be supported by his 'employer' and the county board has a duty to him.

Both O'Se and McGuigan bottled it when questioned on the SG, both should have taken the opportunity to put Brolly in his place but decided not to do so, the video report provided the platform and they could have used the situation to let it be known that personalised attacks such as those by Brolly are not acceptable.  Both of them were prepared to say 'ach, it's just Joe and he's a character'.  Says a lot about both of them but not surprised given that both are so involved in the media.

Brolly has a point but at the end of the day nobody holds a gun to these players. If they want to play county football they no the circumstances and are willing to sacrifice that, there's a lot of perks in it for county players in any case.

What I don't like is the mistruths and spin he puts on it and I have no problem with an Armagh County Board representative coming on and taking him to task over these. He was criticising his own county recently for holding players back from the clubs, this despite the fact that a number of players who played against Tyrone were in club action a week before the Championship game. His attacks on McGeeney (who I wouldn't be a big fan of) are personal and bordering on pathetic. McGeeney's problem is that he has a fairly limited tactical mind and approach to his game but generally the players who have played under him tend to have a great respect for him.

Money is the huge problem in today's game, Dublin are just so far ahead of everyone else and there is no a worrying emerging gap between the 2nd tier teams like Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and the rest.

I think football was at a great place back in the 00s. The big teams were well capable of being got at by smaller counties, you had sides like Fermanagh, Laois, Westmeath, Sligo etc all taking big Championship scalps and they were all sides who the big teams would not take lightly. Those days are gone now and the game is becoming sterile.

I felt very sorry for Kevin McKernan when watching Down on Sunday, a great player, a guy who has given a good 10 years service and who played for a great team in his day now being part of that rabble of a team. I think he deserves great credit for continuing to put the committment required by an intercounty footballer despite being certain in the knowledge he won't achieve anything in the remainder of his Down career.
The Laws of unintended consequences.
The Qualifiers were designed to give smaller teams more games. Instead they have given bigger teams second chances and in doing so lessened the chances of the smaller teams.


Designed to give smaller team second chances?

Don't forget to also include the extra revenue from something like 30 extra championship games (excluding replays).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 08, 2016, 04:02:45 PM
A lot of people say the back door was (still is) a failure but I think it has done what it was mainly set out to do and that was give teams a second chance to get a few matches behind them.
If a so called smaller county was knocked out against one of the big guns in the first round then they go into a draw to play teams at a similar level who also got knocked out early.

So whilst we're all complaining that there has been no tight interesting games so far this year, there looks to be some very good line ups for the 1st round of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 07, 2016, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
If Ger Canning was doing his job properly he should have asked the Armagh Chairman last night in the Sunday Game interview how much they were paying McGeeney.

You're assuming a county board is the only source of any payments/expenses? That's a big assumption Id say
don't direct the question at the county board. Direct it at the manager
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Beffs on June 07, 2016, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 06, 2016, 10:55:34 PM
Not sure he is fixated on McGeeney. He has a view on how the game should be played and how players should be allowed to live (in terms of playing, training, socialising, having a family life and having a career). McGeeney falls, or is accused of falling on the other side of that debate.

Not sure Brolly has got on to the payments debate yet but hopefully he will. He should. Its of a piece with his other points.

I'd agree with all that. But when its one Ulster man taking on another Ulster man, and they know each other, it becomes personalized. Brolly is entirely responsible for that, given his inflammatory language, but the basic points he is trying to make (about overly controlling and demanding managers) are sound. The demands made on players these days are off the charts. It's not going to end, until someone, somewhere calls for a halt to it AND, has the gumption to keep on banging the drum, when its his turn to get it in the neck.

wells lets hope Joe keeps banging that drum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 07, 2016, 07:56:41 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Totally agree. This is completely personal for some reason. Brolly has singled mcgeeney out when there are numerous managers and counties in similar situations.
But is it not far more important to establish if the essence of what Brolly is saying/claiming about the game is correct? Is it not far more important to establish if the essence of what Brolly is saying/claiming about individuals like Geezer is correct rather than whether he is fixated on 1 individual?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 07, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
the time a manager has to devote to county management in the gaa is unreal so payment is necessary
A chicken and egg scenario????

Quote from: skeog on June 07, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
if individuals with deep pockets provide donations thats their business
It might be there business but its not only their business. Its our game, our ethos and our rules
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?
He also said Mickey Harte presided over something rotten to the core. This statement was incorrect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?
He also said Mickey Harte presided over something rotten to the core. This statement was incorrect.

"Rotten to the core" is a figure of speech and not one that I would agree with but if you are telling that Mickey isn't paid, is signed up to the letter and spirit of the rules of the organisation, is all for players playing for the clubs in games bar the 2 weeks before county games, is not about win at all costs, doesn't think its legitimate to haul down a player through in goal, is against tactical and cynical fouling, thinks its wrong to rotate the cynical fouler and absolutely doesn't use it then I am ears. What say you?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2016, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?
He also said Mickey Harte presided over something rotten to the core. This statement was incorrect.

"Rotten to the core" is a figure of speech and not one that I would agree with but if you are telling that Mickey isn't paid, is signed up to the letter and spirit of the rules of the organisation, is all for players playing for the clubs in games bar the 2 weeks before county games, is not about win at all costs, doesn't think its legitimate to haul down a player through in goal, is against tactical and cynical fouling, thinks its wrong to rotate the cynical fouler and absolutely doesn't use it then I am ears. What say you?

So every county manager is "rotten to the core" then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:30:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 09, 2016, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?
He also said Mickey Harte presided over something rotten to the core. This statement was incorrect.

"Rotten to the core" is a figure of speech and not one that I would agree with but if you are telling that Mickey isn't paid, is signed up to the letter and spirit of the rules of the organisation, is all for players playing for the clubs in games bar the 2 weeks before county games, is not about win at all costs, doesn't think its legitimate to haul down a player through in goal, is against tactical and cynical fouling, thinks its wrong to rotate the cynical fouler and absolutely doesn't use it then I am ears. What say you?

So every county manager is "rotten to the core" then?

Again not my phrase but if this is what they are about then yes.

And to state the obvious if others were at the same that wouldn't cleanse what Mickey or AN Other was at
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 07, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2016, 10:48:58 PM
Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?

If you knew what he meant then why are you questioning  that he was challenging Sean's integrity? There was nothing out of order in that.

What incident in a live game that Brolly was covering was Brolly confronted with clear footage of a drag down in front of goal or a gouge?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 09, 2016, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 09, 2016, 11:34:09 PM
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Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?

If you knew what he meant then why are you questioning  that he was challenging Sean's integrity? There was nothing out of order in that.

What incident in a live game that Brolly was covering was Brolly confronted with clear footage of a drag down in front of goal or a gouge?

he was questioning if Sean had what it takes to be man... bang out of order. Brolly has seen many underhand acts as a pundit and didnt give it that treatment...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 10, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
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Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?

If you knew what he meant then why are you questioning  that he was challenging Sean's integrity? There was nothing out of order in that.

What incident in a live game that Brolly was covering was Brolly confronted with clear footage of a drag down in front of goal or a gouge?

he was questioning if Sean had what it takes to be man... bang out of order. Brolly has seen many underhand acts as a pundit and didnt give it that treatment...

What are you talking about? What are these things that it takes to be a man that he was saying that Sean didn't possess?

I have heard Brolly give plenty of stick to those that fall foul of his views. But you are pulling him on a phrase that he used in a live broadcast on a live real time issue. If you want to challenge why he didnt say something similar against someone else then give me one incident where he should have in a live broadcast?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: east down gael on June 10, 2016, 12:23:29 AM
I remember watching that game live and being disgusted by the incident.mcmanus showed the skill to get in on goal only to be cynically fouled and prevented from scoring.At the time I was screaming at the tv,in foul form over it.but when Id settled i soon realised every single player would have done the exact same thing.cant blame brolly for his rant,as it was live.kind of off topic,but I do see a place for a professional foul in football a la soccer.the black card is a joke.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on June 10, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
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Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?

If you knew what he meant then why are you questioning  that he was challenging Sean's integrity? There was nothing out of order in that.

What incident in a live game that Brolly was covering was Brolly confronted with clear footage of a drag down in front of goal or a gouge?

he was questioning if Sean had what it takes to be man... bang out of order. Brolly has seen many underhand acts as a pundit and didnt give it that treatment...
Joe cost Tyrone an all Ireland that year. The refs performance was truly awful in the semi. But if I was a pundit with joes beautiful delivery I would be castigating any Derry or Armagh team that moved. At the end of the day he is a hearty and dangerous wee bollix but he's just having a laugh. Spillane opened the floodgates and wasn't managed by rte. They would all be in fear of joe. Don't take offence when joe acts a bollix, he's just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 10, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
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Why is he so fixated on McGeeney (aside from the insult at Eamonn Coleman's funeral)?/b]

Armagh are far from the only county allegedly paying their manager and they aren't the only ones restricting access to county players.

Considering his diatribe on Sean Kavanagh, I suspect it may have something to do with his views on the GPA.
And being honest what was really wrong with what he said about Cavanagh? I was disappointed when he appologised on that one

said he was not a man... totally out of order

Surely its perfectly acceptable to question the integrity of a man that did what Sean did?

he said he wasn't a man that's a bit different from questioning his integrity

If you think that Brolly was challenging that Cavanagh was an adult nale of the human species then you are the only person on planet earth of this view

I know what he meant and it was out of order... it was totally personal because he has been gunning for Cavanagh for ages over his GPA role... I didnit like at all what Cavanagh did but how many players from other teams who did the same or gouged opponents eyes got the same treatment from Brolly?

If you knew what he meant then why are you questioning  that he was challenging Sean's integrity? There was nothing out of order in that.

What incident in a live game that Brolly was covering was Brolly confronted with clear footage of a drag down in front of goal or a gouge?

he was questioning if Sean had what it takes to be man... bang out of order. Brolly has seen many underhand acts as a pundit and didnt give it that treatment...

What are you talking about? What are these things that it takes to be a man that he was saying that Sean didn't possess?

I have heard Brolly give plenty of stick to those that fall foul of his views. But you are pulling him on a phrase that he used in a live broadcast on a live real time issue. If you want to challenge why he didnt say something similar against someone else then give me one incident where he should have in a live broadcast?

so why did he ring him after and apologise for saying it... because he knew it was out of order. Simples... Did he call out Dublin eye gouge in All Ireland final like that...?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 10, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Lads can you ease off on the massive quotes. Ye can reply without always quoting the last post.

There are a lot of lads, with their own biases who enjoy Joe standing up and speaking his mind.
He says what a lot of people are thinking and doesn't care who he offends in the process. (eg. Marty M)

The Dublin v Mayo final a few years ago was a prime example where Joe showed his biased differences.
He briefly mentioned Dublin's cynical tactics at the end of the game but compare than to the way he responded to Sean Cavanagh. No mention then of being rotten to the core or any Dublin player not being a man.
My point is Joe usually has an agenda and as a few said here he has major issues with a lot of the GPA and so I feel he starts of answering a question on a match but usually uses the opportunity to go into rant mode over something else.

I wonder will he be attacking Donegal this weekend and Rory Gallagher?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 10, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
Joe cost Tyrone an all Ireland that year. The refs performance was truly awful in the semi. But if I was a pundit with joes beautiful delivery I would be castigating any Derry or Armagh team that moved. At the end of the day he is a hearty and dangerous wee bollix but he's just having a laugh. Spillane opened the floodgates and wasn't managed by rte. They would all be in fear of joe. Don't take offence when joe acts a bollix, he's just like the rest of us.

Excellent . . . Mayo blew you away and if they hadn't Dublin certainly would have!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Disillusioned on June 10, 2016, 09:43:16 PM
Belfast Telegraph
Kieran McGeeney: Joe Brolly's jibes are totally meaningless
By Declan Bogue
10/06/2016

Kieran McGeeney has laughed off the recent controversial comments made by pundit Joe Brolly about his management of the Armagh side, saying: "I am flattered by Joe's obsession with me, that's about as far as it goes."
The Orchard boss was speaking at a media engagement ahead of their qualifier clash against Laois next weekend, when the question of the scathing criticism dished out by Brolly over what he described as 'The Cult of Kieran' among the Armagh panel. McGeeney appeared bemused by all the fuss, claims and counter-claims in the wake of their eight-point defeat to Cavan in the Ulster quarter-final. "Honestly I cannot say any more than I am flattered about his obsession over me," the 2002 All-Ireland winning captain continued.

Reminding the media present that the two played on successful Ulster sides in the Railway Cup and won a Sigerson Cup together in 1993, he spoke of Brolly, who claimed McGeeney 'hasn't a clue' about inter-county management. "I played with Joe, I played against him. He seems to forget a lot of things. "The more you talk about him the happier he is. That's what it is all about. He likes to be the centre of attention and that's grand. Let him batter away. "I can't stop people having opinions, and if people want to dress opinions up as facts, that's a different thing, that's up to somebody else to do. I am not really into facilitating people's obsessions with things." McGeeney continued: "I am sure he is a nice fella, like I have met him a couple of times and he seems grand, but he likes to be the centre of attention. "Honestly, it is water off a duck's back to me. Some people take what he says seriously, I can't help that either. We have a great bunch of fellas and I am trying to do my best. I am not doing as good a job as I would like."

Asked a direct question on whether he approved of Armagh Chairman Paul McArdle's right of reply to last Sunday night's Sunday Game highlights show, McGeeney answered: "The county board are trying to do the right things. They have had a tough time over the past couple of years in getting the county back on its feet, paying old bills. They are very progressive, there is great work being done in the academy structures, although we haven't had much success at underage we are definitely going in the right direction." He continued: "Someone was telling me about an article Joe wrote, that it was like Kieran McGeeney was playing Kieran McGeeney. There was very little about Cavan and Armagh, it seemed more about me, which is a mad thing."

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 10, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Fair play to McGeeney.  Add that to a win to Portlaoise and all the questions are answered.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on June 10, 2016, 10:31:37 PM
Yep. Bate the other county to get relegated down to Division 3 this year & you may as well hand him Sam now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 10, 2016, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 10, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Fair play to McGeeney.  Add that to a win to Portlaoise and all the questions are answered.

didn't answer if he is getting paid and how much. Money for old rope
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 11, 2016, 11:44:48 PM
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"The more you talk about him the happier he is. That's what it is all about. He likes to be the centre of attention and that's grand. Let him batter away. "
That's Brolly alright I couldn't have put it better myself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on June 11, 2016, 11:46:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 10, 2016, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 10, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Fair play to McGeeney.  Add that to a win to Portlaoise and all the questions are answered.

didn't answer if he is getting paid and how much. Money for old rope

If you're going to corner him on it you may as well ask every other manager who is getting paid too
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 12, 2016, 07:05:32 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

???????
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 12, 2016, 07:33:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

So where/when did this happen?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 12, 2016, 08:36:44 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2016, 11:46:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 10, 2016, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 10, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Fair play to McGeeney.  Add that to a win to Portlaoise and all the questions are answered.

didn't answer if he is getting paid and how much. Money for old rope

If you're going to corner him on it you may as well ask every other manager who is getting paid too

Like Cavanagh I thik it goes back to McGeeney's GPA profile earlier as well. Word was he tackled him about getting 90,000 euros a year at Kildare yet Croke Park had to bail Kildare out when they got into debt.. sad sate of affairs. Every manager should declare what they are getting
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on June 12, 2016, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

What nonsense you on about now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2016, 01:56:20 PM
Is anyone else allowed to speak ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 13, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
Whatever about him he can pen a decent article I'll give him that. . . not much to disagree with in here and it hits home much more without the personal attacks:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-there-has-been-no-strategy-no-radical-action-and-hoping-for-the-best-wont-save-the-gaa-34792716.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: SimonSays on June 13, 2016, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

That is actually as bad as Brolly coming up with crap like that..confronted him at a function.....tara the crap thats wrote on here
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on June 13, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: SimonSays on June 13, 2016, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

That is actually as bad as Brolly coming up with crap like that..confronted him at a function.....tara the crap thats wrote on here
To be fair it is Syferus. I think most people take his comments with a pinch of salt. Just like Brolly's
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on June 13, 2016, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: SimonSays on June 13, 2016, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

That is actually as bad as Brolly coming up with crap like that..confronted him at a function.....tara the crap thats wrote on here
Maybe he was told the story by an (unnamed) county player during the week!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 13, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

Did this actually happen Syferus?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on June 13, 2016, 08:56:00 PM
Quote from: ck on June 13, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

Did this actually happen Syferus?

Of the things you can take with a pinch of salt you add Syferus's posts on here. A supporter taken seriously ill at a match last year apparently was a plan hatched in some sort of football Hogwarths in the hills of Tyrone
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 14, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 13, 2016, 08:56:00 PM
Quote from: ck on June 13, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: ck on June 11, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Whilst I'd have major difficulties with the likes of McGeeney claiming big salaries out of GAA, his honest reply above makes for refreshing reading. Both honest and cleverly dismissive of Brolly.

Came off as someone who is rattled. Sure he went up to Brolly at a function and tried to square up to him.  Him saying he doesn't take it seriously takes some neck.

Did this actually happen Syferus?

Of the things you can take with a pinch of salt you add Syferus's posts on here. A supporter taken seriously ill at a match last year apparently was a plan hatched in some sort of football Hogwarths in the hills of Tyrone

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckw_VBgXEAAdRg_.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 14, 2016, 08:42:03 PM

Is anyone surprised that this megalomaniac has followed up a few weeks of fire, brimstone and character assassination with a nicely timed "look at how nice a guy I am putting wholesome values first" article?

And he thought Sean Cavanagh was cynical...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on June 14, 2016, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 14, 2016, 08:42:03 PM

Is anyone surprised that this megalomaniac has followed up a few weeks of fire, brimstone and character assassination with a nicely timed "look at how nice a guy I am putting wholesome values first" article?

And he thought Sean Cavanagh was cynical...

Ok. I'm glad I wasn't the only person who thought that.

I'll take it one step further and say that using a child dying of cancer & his grief stricken mother as PR tools, was crass in the extreme. If he wasn't in the wars to the degree he is, I may be inclined to look at it in a more heart warming & less cynical light. But considering the deep do do he is in these days, I smelled a rat at the timing of it all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 15, 2016, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: Beffs on June 14, 2016, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 14, 2016, 08:42:03 PM

Is anyone surprised that this megalomaniac has followed up a few weeks of fire, brimstone and character assassination with a nicely timed "look at how nice a guy I am putting wholesome values first" article?

And he thought Sean Cavanagh was cynical...

Ok. I'm glad I wasn't the only person who thought that.

I'll take it one step further and say that using a child dying of cancer & his grief stricken mother as PR tools, was crass in the extreme. If he wasn't in the wars to the degree he is, I may be inclined to look at it in a more heart warming & less cynical light. But considering the deep do do he is in these days, I smelled a rat at the timing of it all.

dear jesus men, the u14 memorial tournament was 2 Saturdays ago, Brolly wrote the article on the back of it, plain and simple. I popped up to the event as I knew a few helping out. Great tournament, some great young footballers and a superb days craic. Fair play to Brolly for bringing his team down from Belfast. I watched at first hand how he interacted with the local crew especially the McCrossan family. The article was some real heart on the sleeve stuff. But, if having a pop at Brolly re this article floats your boat, knock yourselves out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on June 15, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 15, 2016, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: Beffs on June 14, 2016, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 14, 2016, 08:42:03 PM

Is anyone surprised that this megalomaniac has followed up a few weeks of fire, brimstone and character assassination with a nicely timed "look at how nice a guy I am putting wholesome values first" article?

And he thought Sean Cavanagh was cynical...

Ok. I'm glad I wasn't the only person who thought that.

I'll take it one step further and say that using a child dying of cancer & his grief stricken mother as PR tools, was crass in the extreme. If he wasn't in the wars to the degree he is, I may be inclined to look at it in a more heart warming & less cynical light. But considering the deep do do he is in these days, I smelled a rat at the timing of it all.

dear jesus men, the u14 memorial tournament was 2 Saturdays ago, Brolly wrote the article on the back of it, plain and simple. I popped up to the event as I knew a few helping out. Great tournament, some great young footballers and a superb days craic. Fair play to Brolly for bringing his team down from Belfast. I watched at first hand how he interacted with the local crew especially the McCrossan family. The article was some real heart on the sleeve stuff. But, if having a pop at Brolly re this article floats your boat, knock yourselves out
i think people need to not confuse Brollys 'coco the clown act' who is a complete attention seeking tosspot  on the sunday game to the real man , who seems to a generous genuine concerned citizen that most of us have no idea of and there fore cannot really comment on.
But as for his sunday game shit and press work he is fair game
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on June 15, 2016, 12:37:04 PM
You'd have to be really cynical to buy into that notion. Brolly is a performer or an actor - he puts a lot of the stuff on and that's why people watch him on TSG or whatever. Yes he's an egotist but I don't see why he would feel the need to pen a "look how much of a nice guy i am" article in a regional publication if he wanted to take the heat of himself - he thrives on that heat! Came across as a very genuine piece imo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
yeah is a step to far to suggest he is that cynical... as it goes he's doing a good job calling out a lot of bullsh*t in the GAA though does come out with OTT stuff at times
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on June 15, 2016, 02:42:00 PM
I wonder if Joe was manager of Derry would he be so keen to call out the problems for the current GAA big picture.
Would he stop the S&C work and let players have more time off to live a fuller life yet let them fall further behind other counties?

It's easy to say we're becoming too professional when you're an u14 manager and it's not all about winning but having fun yet he'll come on the TV and make scathing attacks on some managers and counties who are trying to rise to the levels of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo.

It all seems so 2 faced to me where he can totally insult one of his own RTE colleagues on live TV yet the next day he could be in some hospital attending a sick GAA kid, making sure we all hear about it in his next newspaper article.
Of course I'm biased with his hatred of all things Tyrone but I just feel there are two very opposite sides to the man.
One were he is too outspoken and rash with what he says and who he offends and then the other helping those who are sick or his work with the organ donation. Both get him very much in the national limelight which he craves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on June 15, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
GAA is not a professional sport, yet the approach of most county squads now is at the very least semi-professional. Joe makes very valid points about player burn-out and the lack of fun in the game. The problem then arises that many players who have to work, balance family life and sport choose not to play. So you have what we have in Armagh and presumably other counties where players (and not all from Cross) decide not to commit to the county. In my opinion the wider GAA family is the loser in all of this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 15, 2016, 09:50:35 PM

Says a lot about him when you consider how often he promotes all his charity / social work in the national media
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 15, 2016, 09:50:35 PM

Says a lot about him when you consider how often he promotes all his charity / social work in the national media

not sure if that is a compliment or criticism. Is good to promote those causes and people pay more heed to high profile people fronting causes...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 15, 2016, 09:50:35 PM

Says a lot about him when you consider how often he promotes all his charity / social work in the national media

not sure if that is a compliment or criticism. Is good to promote those causes and people pay more heed to high profile people fronting causes...

Consider this latest article - who benefited from that story?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 16, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 15, 2016, 09:50:35 PM

Says a lot about him when you consider how often he promotes all his charity / social work in the national media

not sure if that is a compliment or criticism. Is good to promote those causes and people pay more heed to high profile people fronting causes...

Consider this latest article - who benefited from that story?

I wouldn't be Brolly's biggest fan, but your hatred for the man (who does an unreal amount of good work, and for balance on my part,  the unnecessary personal digs) isn't healthy!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 11:56:05 AM

You didn't answer the question
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 16, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 11:56:05 AM

You didn't answer the question

Dont be a prat DK and have some respect for that cubs family. It raised awareness of the tournament and if there comes a day when its profile is risen and funding for the childrens cancer ward is forthcoming then its beneficial.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
Joe Brolly has a narcissistic personality disorder. He would be a textbook case.

According to the DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms, typically without commensurate qualities or accomplishments:[5][8]

    Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
    Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
    Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
    Needing constant admiration from others
    Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
    Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
    Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
    Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them
    Pompous and arrogant demeanor
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on June 16, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
Ugh gawd love him  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on June 16, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 11:56:05 AM

You didn't answer the question

you didn't ask me a question..but you asked who benefited...well the McCrossan family, who do not want the memory of their son to lessen within the community, the kids cancer charity clic sargant, a small junior football club, the competition itself as every club there signed up for next year. But all you see is your pet hate figure Joe Brolly benefiting. As i said earlier, its an unhealthy obsession you have
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on June 16, 2016, 03:57:16 PM


That's one angle to paint all right.

Has he published this exact article before? I could swear I've read the rummaging for that jersey bit before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 18, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
I'd say Joe is feeling justified watching this debacle. Got it right
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on June 18, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
I'd say Joe is feeling justified watching this debacle. Got it right

Probably doing back flips inside in Owenbeg

Although Louth are 1-2 to 0-2 up so might not be too thrilled
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 18, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
he's equally unimpressed by Derry
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 18, 2016, 11:53:49 PM
Seamus McEneaney on RTE today agreeing with Brolly on McGeeney. Basically saying that certain players in Armagh not playing because of McGeeney. Regardless of who's right or wrong, their results are awful and getting worse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 29, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
He has a fair cut at Derry in his Gaelic life article anyway . . .

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/06/joe-brolly-when-winning-isnt-winning/?fb_ref=Default
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on June 29, 2016, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: ck on June 18, 2016, 11:53:49 PM
Seamus McEneaney on RTE today agreeing with Brolly on McGeeney. Basically saying that certain players in Armagh not playing because of McGeeney. Regardless of who's right or wrong, their results are awful and getting worse.

And you'd wonder who might be in the frame to replace him  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 29, 2016, 05:59:31 PM
Armagh could do worse than put Banty in charge.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on June 29, 2016, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: ck on June 18, 2016, 11:53:49 PM
Seamus McEneaney on RTE today agreeing with Brolly on McGeeney. Basically saying that certain players in Armagh not playing because of McGeeney. Regardless of who's right or wrong, their results are awful and getting worse.
does he ever say anything about Down?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jp2020 on June 29, 2016, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2016, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: ck on June 18, 2016, 11:53:49 PM
Seamus McEneaney on RTE today agreeing with Brolly on McGeeney. Basically saying that certain players in Armagh not playing because of McGeeney. Regardless of who's right or wrong, their results are awful and getting worse.
does he ever say anything about Down?
He wont say anything about Down, he'd rather reminisce about the good auld days in the early 90's with his Down mates, and sure Greg Blaney is heavily involved in his club along with alot of other Down men! Sure we all know he has a personal vendetta against McGeeney and he has a platform to exact his "revenge". Mind you Armagh and McGeeney aren't exactly helping themselves!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on June 30, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
Could any of you tell me what newspapers Brolly writes for? I know he's in the Gaelic Life and Sunday Indepndant but any others? Is it the same article in each, each week?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 30, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: ck on June 30, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
Could any of you tell me what newspapers Brolly writes for? I know he's in the Gaelic Life and Sunday Indepndant but any others? Is it the same article in each, each week?

I think it's just the 2... sometimes it's the same and sometimes it can be slightly different. He used to write for the Derry journal as well.

To be fair Gaeliclife is pretty much exclusively Ulster while the Indo is technically a 26 County paper so he wants his opinion to reach across the island!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheOptimist on June 30, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 30, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: ck on June 30, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
Could any of you tell me what newspapers Brolly writes for? I know he's in the Gaelic Life and Sunday Indepndant but any others? Is it the same article in each, each week?

I think it's just the 2... sometimes it's the same and sometimes it can be slightly different. He used to write for the Derry journal as well.

To be fair Gaeliclife is pretty much exclusively Ulster while the Indo is technically a 26 County paper so he wants his opinion to reach across the island!

Derry Journal also  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2016, 06:00:07 PM
He uses simpler words for the Derry Journal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 01, 2016, 02:38:13 PM
He uses the word 'Sir' a lot more as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on July 01, 2016, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 01, 2016, 02:38:13 PM
He uses the word 'Sir' a lot more as well.

I think you'll find that the word is "sur" sur!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
I'd say Joe is feeling justified watching this debacle. Got it right

Looks like someone has been listening to Joe and removed the gesticualtions and left us with the core arguments
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/thec...championship-success-591196/?param=ds12rif76F

Or maybe Geezer is right - twas the injury to Andy Murnin that did for us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 06, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
Brolly's article this week in the Indo.

In November 1989, Martin O'Neill applied to become manager of Barnsley FC. It being Martin, he wrote his application by hand. The first paragraph reads as follows: "Dear sir, I wish to make a formal application for the post as manager of Barnsley Football Club. If you are looking for an 'experienced' man who has repeatedly failed at other clubs but who is still on the managerial 'merry-go-round' please disregard this letter. However, if you are looking for someone who has fresh ideas, who can motivate players, deal comfortably with the media and make the club successful again then I promise you I'm the best bet of all the applications lying on your desk."
Needless to say, Barnsley rejected him.
Instead, O'Neill went to non-league Wycombe Wanderers, where he led them to a series of astonishing successes, bringing them the whole way to the old English Second Division.

Watching Roy Hodgson last week as England fell to Iceland, I thought of O'Neill's words. Overwhelmed by panic on the sideline, Roy suddenly realised he was on the big screen in the stadium. At which point, he furrowed his brow, stroked his chin and tried to look like Columbo. What a spoofer! I thought this was the high point of the panto until I saw the clip of Steve McClaren, another veteran spoofer, explaining to the TV viewers when it was 1-1 why Hodgson's tactics were spot-on and how it was only a matter of time before England went 2-1 up.
The experienced men who have repeatedly failed at other clubs and the managerial merry-go-round have become one of the most depressing facets of modern Gaelic games. Watching the games over the last few months, I thought of what must go on at county board interviews.

Failed manager: Well, I have a lot of experience with modern defensive structures. I intend to play the 1-13-1 formation (Shows the formation on PowerPoint, using slides). As you can see, this is very difficult for the opposition to break down and will give us the best possible chance of not losing. My coach has similar experience. I've written my fee on a note in this brown envelope (passes it over), based on five sessions a week.
Chairman: I see you have failed at three other counties and seven clubs.

Failed manager: I have indeed.
Chairman: Most impressive. What is the most important lesson you have learned?

Failed manager: That you learn far more from defeats.
Chairman: I agree, and you certainly seem to be an expert in that regard.

Failed manager: Thank you very much.
Chairman: One last question . . . When can you start?

The blanket defensive template is now operated by 90 per cent of counties and most clubs. It has spread like myxomatosis. The problem is that, unlike Jim McGuinness' original, which was ingeniously balanced between defence and attack, the off-the-shelf version is all about defence — which systematically demotivates and demoralises the players and supporters. As Jim himself put it in an interview with The Irish Times on Tuesday, while discussing this very problem: "What is the point of all that training?"
Jimmy lamented the absence of passion in the vast majority of games nowadays, the overwhelming concentration on defence, and the going-through-the-motions that passes for modern football.

You could have taken any weekend since the championship began and used the games to illustrate this. Let us start with last weekend (with the honourable exception of Donegal and Monaghan, who gave everything they had in the cause of winning, not to be confused with the cause of not losing).
Down played with a permanent double sweeper and lost to Longford, conceding 2-24. Meath played with a double sweeper and were duffed by a Dublin team that barely raised a sweat. Kildare and Westmeath was a modern cliché. You don't have to have even watched the game to know exactly how it panned out, both teams boring themselves and their ever-dwindling numbers of spectators to death.

Here is the template for a highly successful failed managerial career:
Play with at least one permanent sweeper.
Withdraw your half-forwards and one full-forward into the defence when possession is lost.
Play without half-forwards.
Without half-forwards, there is no option of kicking the ball long out of the defence.
Therefore, the only option is to hand-pass and solo the ball out of defence.
Leave the full-forward, or two full-forwards isolated in the full-forward line, without any clear purpose.
Hand-passing and soloing out of the defence is dangerous so DO NOT LOSE POSSESSION. No risky passes. No long kicking under any circumstances.
90 per cent of the opposition will play the same system, so the goalkeeper will take all kick-outs short to the free corner-back.
When the corner-back takes possession from the kick-out he will handpass and/or solo run.

With rehearsal of this system five or six times per week over a year, players lose their sense of adventure. Expressing yourself becomes impossible. The structure does not permit this. If you attempt to express yourself it won't work anyway, because of the system. There is no point in a corner-back looking to kick long because there is no one to kick it to. Nor is there any point in a half-back looking to kick long, for the same reason. By the time it has been hand-passed out of the defence, the opposing team has already got its half-forwards, one full-forward and sweepers in position, so kicking becomes futile.
The amazing thing is that although none of this works, it has become the established method of play. It has a number of effects. It destroys skill. It demotivates the players because they are trapped in something that is the opposite of sport. It makes them reluctant to try anything. So, we do not see any spark. The sole attack strategy becomes holding possession. Players feel safe delivering a short pass to a man a few metres away. They feel relieved. The result is that they play without passion or adventure.

A simple example from the Euros is Wales, who push on, attack at speed, try things and generally play with adventure. This fearlessness creates a chemistry that is very hard to combat. It excites the supporters and emboldens the players, thereby creating the circumstances for a shock. Put another way, their system and philosophy creates the potential for victory. In the obsession to create the ultimate zonal defence, this has been almost entirely lost in our game.

We need to find a new way of playing football. It is not as if we don't have excellent role models — just look at the Dubs last Sunday. Pressing up on the kick-out, looking for turnovers. Six forwards at all times when they attack. All spaced roughly 40 metres apart. Outfield players willing to risk a long kick-pass into the space towards goal. The result of their structure and philosophy is players expressing their skills, playing with passion and adventure. Like Crossmaglen at club level.
The point is that what they do not only makes sense, but it looks great, the players love it and, crucially, the spectators love it. Put another way, it is something worth putting effort into — and it is something worth watching.

We need managers with fresh ideas, who are not part of the failed managerial merry-go-round. And we need some people power. A fortnight ago the Derry supporters groaned and roared their disapproval at the nothingness that was on offer against Louth at Owenbeg. The chairman and the manager heard all of this. Like most counties, our county team has been reduced to muck. Meath people know the feeling. As do the good folk of Down, Armagh, Kildare, Sligo, Cork, Westmeath, etc.

The problem is that, in the end, a game without passion and adventure is not a game at all. The great irony is that playing not to lose guarantees defeat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on July 06, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

What did i do? ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on July 06, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
since when did it become accepted wisdom that McGuinness invented defensive football.
Mageeney was doing the same thing ain Kildare at the same time.
Not that it needed inventing anyway seeing as its just using soccer tactics to play football nor was it very successful for the Donegal one in a row team
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 06, 2016, 02:21:58 PM
Not successful for Donegal. Are you serious?

They went from not winning a first round game for years to be Ulster champions in 3 out of the last 5 years and AI contenders most years. McGuinness was the first manager to play with 13 men behind the ball for most of the match to make them hard to beat in their first year and then add more attacking variation from there on.

I think Joe's point is that there are too many teams who try to play the Donegal way and can't do it very well.
It's like a smaller soccer club coming to Chelsea top park the bus and try to use damage limitation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on July 06, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Come on now even you know better than that.

Given that Tyrone never beat Donegal in McGuinness' term surely he's proven himself a better manager than Harte!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 06, 2016, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Ban handpassing in your own half
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 06, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 06, 2016, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Ban handpassing in your own half
Sometimes i do despair  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 06, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.

Yes, but does it not take an exceptional manager to win more than one?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half. And to support the mark restrict the numbers within 45s at kick outs.

Teams would pay a big price for sendings off via either the red or black cards.

Definitely worth a trial.

Make the jersey pull a black card.

Hand passing has its place. Leave it as is but incentivise teams to kick
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.

Yes, but does it not take an exceptional manager to win more than one?[/.b]

Not necessarily. Given McGuinnesses starting point (no Ulster title in 19 years, no back to back Ulster wins in years, only one AI title in the counties history etc) I think his achievements with that squad over a 4 year term, were exceptional. I was not a fan of his tactics, especially in the first couple of years, but you can't argue with his overall achievements, given the overall context. We haven't even mentioned his ambush job of the Dubs in 2014 either. Did Counihan's Cork ever pull off a win like that, in Croke Park?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.
Like the lad in Portlaoise :D
He's the 8th offeeshul actually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.

And in junior b football?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.

And in junior b football?

Whoever operates the haweye
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.
How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.
Like the lad in Portlaoise :D
He's the 8th offeeshul actually.

Well the 8th official then. Hardly affects the point
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Olly on July 06, 2016, 10:27:34 PM
How do ex-players become pundits? Do you do an exam or something? I know a boy who knows a lot about football but he's shy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 11:47:41 PM
Happens in most field games to make them more attractive to watch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on July 07, 2016, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 06, 2016, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 06, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom :(
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half. And to support the mark restrict the numbers within 45s at kick outs.

Teams would pay a big price for sendings off via either the red or black cards.

Definitely worth a trial.

Make the jersey pull a black card.

Hand passing has its place. Leave it as is but incentivise teams to kick

This will lead to even more unchallenged kick-outs with Cluxton / Morgan chipping the ball into the chest of the onrushing MDMA / Mattie Donnelly. Combining it with the 'mark' you may as well restart the game with a free kick from mid-field.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
Tactical innovations and the improvements in athletic ability across all field sports are a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
Look at how the body types have changed in rugby and aussie rules for example in the last 10 years.
Defence coaches were brought in from rugby league to union which meant that instead of running around players, the attacking team had to run through/over them.
This created the need for bigger, more powerful centres who are there to defend first, and 15-16 stone wingers that are lightning quick.

Aussie rules has moved towards a hard running based sport where the primary physical attribute a new recruit requires is a 'tank', i.e. massive aerobic capacity.
It used to be a sport where big lads with mullets knocked lumps out of each other.
You then end up with a vicious circle where tactical innovation and athletic ability feed into each other and the entertainment value of the sport can suffer as a result.

Despite some rule changes in both codes to counter this, I think most rugby union and aussie rules fans of a certain age would rather go back to a time where the players weren't genetically engineered to play sport and there was more of a sense of adventure and romance.
That ain't gonna happen though, and I don't know to what extent rule changes can realistically achieve some kind of happy medium.
Maybe a lot of it is misty-eyed nostalgia anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.

All about opinions and yours isn't more important than anyone else's.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.

All about opinions and yours isn't more important than anyone else's.

Its not but why does the opinion of a relatively small group of people get to change the rules for everyone. Ask how many players or managers wanted the black card? How many want the mark?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.

All about opinions and yours isn't more important than anyone else's.

Its not but why does the opinion of a relatively small group of people get to change the rules for everyone. Ask how many players or managers wanted the black card? How many want the mark?
Exactly.
Some of the stuff proposed is ridiculous when you consider the wider consequences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.

All about opinions and yours isn't more important than anyone else's.

Its not but why does the opinion of a relatively small group of people get to change the rules for everyone. Ask how many players or managers wanted the black card? How many want the mark?

This is a bulletin board where I'm suggesting its hardly idiotic for people to make suggestions on changing the rules of the games.

Surely most county boards took a vote at their own county board first and prior to that club delegates would have checked at their own club meetings on which way to vote.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

Which is a sham democracy. Some of the key stakeholders in the game have their opinions ignored which is ridiculous. Administrators making rules changes and managers then making tactics to get around the rule changes creates a cat and mouse scenario that does the game no favours.

I think the game is moving out of the ultra defensive strategies that has been the norm for so long anyway. It was always going to happen as managers developed attacking strategies to add to the defensive ones. As a sport we are fairly new to well thought out tactical approaches to our game. What is emerging in style with Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal and a few others is great to watch and it seems to me that the game is changing tactically again, this time in a more attacking way. The game will evolve naturally and hopefully people like you can hold your horses and calm your desire for administrators to get involved and change things just yet.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 07, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 06, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Why do people insist on changing rules of the game in order to counteract tactical developments?

Idiots.

All about opinions and yours isn't more important than anyone else's.

Its not but why does the opinion of a relatively small group of people get to change the rules for everyone. Ask how many players or managers wanted the black card? How many want the mark?

This is a bulletin board where I'm suggesting its hardly idiotic for people to make suggestions on changing the rules of the games.

Surely most county boards took a vote at their own county board first and prior to that club delegates would have checked at their own club meetings on which way to vote.

Fair enough, but we have people proposing banning fundamental aspects of the game (like the hand pass).
There are small tweaks to teh rules  that i would more than welcome, but some things proposed give no thought what so ever to the knock on effects.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on July 07, 2016, 12:03:59 PM
Joe must loving having a look at this webpage and seeing 161 pages with his name.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: County Man on July 07, 2016, 12:29:51 PM
I enjoy Joe Brolly.

He offers some interesting views on both his newspaper articles and on the Sunday Game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.
The dreary steeples syndrome still rules
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.

We should certainly listen to them, but they should not have the power to torpedo any proposed rule change, like they did with the sin bin.
I'll be honest, I don't look forward to inter-county football games any more.
They're usually ugly wars of attrition or one-sided hammerings.
Now hurling is going the same way.
If you ask anyone to pick the best games in football and hurling respectively from the last 5 years most of them will pick Dublin vs. Kerry (2013) and Galway vs. Tipperary (2015).
Both games were end to end, high scoring affairs.
Were there 'errors' in both games?
God yes, plenty of them.
People would argue that these teams were poor defensively and conceded too much, therefore they couldn't be truly 'great games'.
And this is the nub of the problem.

We have tried to eradicate 'errors' from our games and the quickest way of doing that is to eradicate risk.
Eradicate risk and you eradicate skill.
Eradicate skill and you eradicate enjoyment.
Eradicate enjoyment and you eradicate entertainment.
But hey, managers and players will say, "We're in the RESULTS business", and that's fair enough, but the games do not belong to them.
They belong to all of us.
Games like those which I've cited above lift peoples spirits in an age of increasing cynicism.
They make kids want to play the games and they make adults want to watch the games and ultimately, as an association, we're supposed to be all about participation and enjoyment.
Can we arrest the decline of gaelic games as a spectacle?
Possibly not, but it's certainly worth trying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.
The dreary steeples syndrome still rules

Do you honestly think banning the hand pass is a good (or even feasible) idea?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 07, 2016, 03:20:01 PM
I think the black card has worked to some degree. At the start I wasn't too keen on it and there is still a lot of inconsistency with it but in certain matches I think it does have an impact.
Look at the recent Martin McElhinney sending off after a black card. He purposely took a defender out of it with a third man tackle and so he got punished. Now some good argue in the old rules he could have got a yellow anyway which is fair enough.
I think players certainly are a a bit more reluctant to drag a man down early on in games though it still seems to happen in the last 5 or 10 mins of a game if it saves a goal so that problem still exists and is hard to address.

I feel BennyHarp is right that teams are evolving again and even Donegal are a lot more attack minded as they started off with a very defence focused approach and when that was in place they then addressed the attack much more. Whereas Dublin and Kerry already had great attacking players but to compete against teams like Donegal they had to change the way they played. It sure is fascinating to watch the tactical battle between the top teams now but what you are finding this year that most of the other teams are being left well behind.
Cavan are a prime example of this where they able to stay quite close to Tyrone for most of their league games and the 1st championship game. However, when they lost their shape they totally fell apart and looked wide open.

To me the teams outside the top 5 or 6 are falling further behind all the time and are being made look very poor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.
The dreary steeples syndrome still rules

Do you honestly think banning the hand pass is a good (or even feasible) idea?
Good idea of course.
At least severely restrict the skill less tossball ( happy now throw ball ;D) sh1te and bring the FOOT back into Gaelic FOOTBALL.
And do away with tossing the ball over the bar as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.
The dreary steeples syndrome still rules

Do you honestly think banning the hand pass is a good (or even feasible) idea?
Good idea of course.
At least severely restrict the skill less tossball ( happy now throw ball ;D) sh1te and bring the FOOT back into Gaelic FOOTBALL.
And do away with tossing the ball over the bar as well.
I'm sorry , but this is complete an utter nonsense.
Im not sure if you are a WUM or just have no clue at all about the game of Gaelic football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 03:43:48 PM
Three consecutive hand-passes allowed, then you have to kick it.
Get rid of the fisted point.
Don't see how anyone could argue against either suggestion.
Unless they've developed a playing system which takes advantage of unlimited hand-passing and therefore stand to lose out if they are restricted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 07, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.
The dreary steeples syndrome still rules

Do you honestly think banning the hand pass is a good (or even feasible) idea?
Good idea of course.
At least severely restrict the skill less tossball ( happy now throw ball ;D) sh1te and bring the FOOT back into Gaelic FOOTBALL.
And do away with tossing the ball over the bar as well.
While you are at it, it hasn't been the same since the bishop stopped throwing the ball in.  Watched the kerry golden years a couple of weeks ago.  Some of the kicking skills left a lot to be desired.  it was often aimless and long like a bad golfer at the driving range. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
The Tyrone lads always come out of the woodwork when anyone badmouths their beloved hand-pass.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 03:43:48 PM
Three consecutive hand-passes allowed, then you have to kick it.
Get rid of the fisted point.
Don't see how anyone could argue against either suggestion.
Unless they've developed a playing system which takes advantage of unlimited hand-passing and therefore stand to lose out if they are restricted.
Those suggestions will certainly mean there will be more kicking in the game, but will the game be any better?
You will have more long hoofs just to get rid of it, just because the hand pass isn't allowed.
You will have more 5 yard kickpasses, because that is the best pass to make, but the handpass isnt allowed.
It will become more difficult to run the ball at pace (which is a s good to watch as a team kicking it long)
Even more teams will drop players back deep because they know after 3 handpasses a kickpass will have to come.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
The Tyrone lads always come out of the woodwork when anyone badmouths their beloved hand-pass.  ;D

Nobody is stopping you kicking the ball if you want!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
The Tyrone lads always come out of the woodwork when anyone badmouths their beloved hand-pass.  ;D
You meath lads are just pining back to the days when meath players kicked anything that moved  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 03:43:48 PM
Three consecutive hand-passes allowed, then you have to kick it.
Get rid of the fisted point.
Don't see how anyone could argue against either suggestion.
Unless they've developed a playing system which takes advantage of unlimited hand-passing and therefore stand to lose out if they are restricted.
Those suggestions will certainly mean there will be more kicking in the game, but will the game be any better?
You will have more long hoofs just to get rid of it, just because the hand pass isn't allowed.
You will have more 5 yard kickpasses, because that is the best pass to make, but the handpass isnt allowed.
It will become more difficult to run the ball at pace (which is a s good to watch as a team kicking it long)
Even more teams will drop players back deep because they know after 3 handpasses a kickpass will have to come.

As a wise old underage coach once said to me, "Just kick it as far as you can and let them fight over it".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:11:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
The Tyrone lads always come out of the woodwork when anyone badmouths their beloved hand-pass.  ;D

Nobody is stopping you kicking the ball if you want!

We can't get hold of the shaggin thing because of you midgets running around in circles playing pass the parcel!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 07, 2016, 04:34:04 PM
God save us.. Will somebody please think of the referees!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:11:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
The Tyrone lads always come out of the woodwork when anyone badmouths their beloved hand-pass.  ;D

Nobody is stopping you kicking the ball if you want!

We can't get hold of the shaggin thing because of you midgets running around in circles playing pass the parcel!

But when you do get it, hoof it as far as you can. Everyone's happy then!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.

What's so manly about kicking a ball anyway?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.

What's so manly about kicking a ball anyway?
When I was a young buck in Primary school the boys were always kicking a ball around.
Meanwhile the girleens  used to be throwing a ball about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.

What's so manly about kicking a ball anyway?
When I was a young buck in Primary school the boys were always kicking a ball around.
Meanwhile the girleens  used to be throwing a ball about.

Ah right, fair enough! You've won me over....change the rules!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.

What's so manly about kicking a ball anyway?

When I was a young buck in Primary school the boys were always kicking a ball around.
Meanwhile the girleens  used to be throwing a ball about.

If right was right, this post would be read out at Congress and then we'd see real change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Send it to Jarlath B........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on July 07, 2016, 09:00:49 PM
Should the Rossies not be putting all their effort into the Sam homecoming party in September? The rules are fine as they are
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2016, 09:00:49 PM
Should the Rossies not be putting all their effort into the Sam homecoming party in September? The rules are fine as they are

They aren't counting their chickens in Roscommon yet, they know that they'll need a song before organising the homecoming! https://youtu.be/kSfKmvOYRA0
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 10:28:56 PM
Catchy tune.
Fair play to Syferus and Rossfan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2016, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
The Nordies really are obsessed with the toss passing.
So  let's have  2 competitions in future
A manly Gaelic football championship with kicking the football
And an Ulster tossball thing where anyone who kicks the ball gets a black card.

What's so manly about kicking a ball anyway?

When I was a young buck in Primary school the boys were always kicking a ball around.
Meanwhile the girleens  used to be throwing a ball about.

If right was right, this post would be read out at Congress and then we'd see real change.

Like two oul biddies the pair of you -- woe is us, WOE I TELL YOU... those bad Nordies using the rules to the get the better of us, for shame, for shame... change the feckin' rules, and let us win something, please, PLEASE!* :'(

*Oh, and ban girlies from playing football while you're at it, please, wouldn't have happened in our young day, girls playing football, no sirree!

;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
Arra would you ever go back to your dreary steeple....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 07, 2016, 11:57:00 PM
He was talkin more about Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:59:52 PM
Lave poor oul' Fermanagh alone.
They have God's work to do Saturday afternoon and they're great men for kicking th'oul ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 08, 2016, 12:05:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
Arra would you ever go back to your dreary steeple....

Quoting Churchill (sort of), the last bastion of a pathetic bast...  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 08, 2016, 10:47:47 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Of course players and managers didn't want the black card (or the reds or yellows either no doubt or refs or anything that might keep a biteen of manners on them :D)
Administrators (through Congress) make the rules , players and managers are required to abide by them.
How many people would vote for Income tax, PRSI etc but Government/Dáil legislate for them.

yeah sure why should we listen to the people actually taking part in the games  ::)
In any case, they were right about the black card , it has been applied completely inconsistently, and done little to reduce cynical fouling.

We should certainly listen to them, but they should not have the power to torpedo any proposed rule change, like they did with the sin bin.
I'll be honest, I don't look forward to inter-county football games any more.
They're usually ugly wars of attrition or one-sided hammerings.
Now hurling is going the same way.
If you ask anyone to pick the best games in football and hurling respectively from the last 5 years most of them will pick Dublin vs. Kerry (2013) and Galway vs. Tipperary (2015).
Both games were end to end, high scoring affairs.
Were there 'errors' in both games?
God yes, plenty of them.
People would argue that these teams were poor defensively and conceded too much, therefore they couldn't be truly 'great games'.
And this is the nub of the problem.

We have tried to eradicate 'errors' from our games and the quickest way of doing that is to eradicate risk.
Eradicate risk and you eradicate skill.
Eradicate skill and you eradicate enjoyment.
Eradicate enjoyment and you eradicate entertainment.
But hey, managers and players will say, "We're in the RESULTS business", and that's fair enough, but the games do not belong to them.
They belong to all of us.
Games like those which I've cited above lift peoples spirits in an age of increasing cynicism.
They make kids want to play the games and they make adults want to watch the games and ultimately, as an association, we're supposed to be all about participation and enjoyment.
Can we arrest the decline of gaelic games as a spectacle?
Possibly not, but it's certainly worth trying.

Agree with your sentiment

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on July 09, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
Joe's value to punditry went up immeasurably today. At least he has the balls to call things..........des Dolan thought he was at Euro 2016 talking about feeling a touch in the box and going down.......ffs..........even in soccer you don't get a penalty for being mauled....never mind diving in the square....jarlath Tommy and Marty never get anything right and won't say anything that may be controversial.......it was one of those days when your reputation is enhanced without playing.......well done joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 09, 2016, 10:12:13 PM
and you could imagine what an imaginary Joe in the studio might have said if it had been Mickey Moran managing Mayo today...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on July 09, 2016, 11:57:13 PM
I thought the pundits were embarrassing on the penalty incident. Not sure how Burns has the brass neck to preach about how to improve the game on one hand while turning a blind eye to blatant cheating like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on July 10, 2016, 12:02:19 AM
Really, really, REALLY hope the bould Joe will be on TSG tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 10, 2016, 12:17:03 AM
Joe Brolly: Diving, stalling, mean-spiritedness - the Tyrone-Monaghan 'game' was depressing

Thank God for Aidan O'Shea - he rescued a sad day for football, says Joe Brolly

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-diving-stalling-meanspiritedness-the-tyronemonaghan-game-was-depressing-31437275.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2016, 01:14:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2016, 12:17:03 AM
Joe Brolly: Diving, stalling, mean-spiritedness - the Tyrone-Monaghan 'game' was depressing

Thank God for Aidan O'Shea - he rescued a sad day for football, says Joe Brolly

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-diving-stalling-meanspiritedness-the-tyronemonaghan-game-was-depressing-31437275.html

Ah, you know what they say today's hero tomorrows...................
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 11, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
It was good to see Brolly and Spillane back together for a change at the weekend and actually agreeing that the Galway v Roscommon game was so poor. Yes it was terrible conditions but I found myself agreeing with them that neither team looked like they wanted to risk taking a shot near the end to win the game.

So many teams play with a fear of losing now and have no real leaders or talented players willing to throw caution to the wind and take a man on or take on a hard shot for fear of missing and being reprimanded for losing possession.
Instead you see lots of lateral passing across the 40 until someone makes a turn over.

My own county along with Donegal are high on the list of the "possession is king" attitude. Of course it works when you can break forward at pace but at what cost to our overall skill levels. Saying that Tyrone (and Donegal) have played some great football already this year and hit some amazing points and goals however you would suspect the Ulster final this weekend will revert back to ultra defensive style with so much at stake with the winner probably avoiding Kerry or Dublin should they make the semifinal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on July 12, 2016, 12:02:53 AM
Brolly: "I think Galway will win the replay cos Roscommon are useless"  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: barking mad on July 12, 2016, 01:22:38 AM
What does that make Sligo.
Don't bother answering.
I seen what it makes ye.
Can't believe ye are 2/1 outsiders v Clare at home.
And we're useless
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

Of course the players can do as they like but they all know if they put themselves forward to talk to rte they won't be part of the Tyrone team. Most people wouldn't call that a choice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

Of course the players can do as they like but they all know if they put themselves forward to talk to rte they won't be part of the Tyrone team. Most people wouldn't call that a choice.

They all?

McGuigan and Jordan have made fleeting appearances on RTE and I think Ricey has been on once buy that is probably the height of it.

There is no ban on the players, they choose not to engage with RTE.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

Of course the players can do as they like but they all know if they put themselves forward to talk to rte they won't be part of the Tyrone team. Most people wouldn't call that a choice.

They all?

McGuigan and Jordan have made fleeting appearances on RTE and I think Ricey has been on once buy that is probably the height of it.

There is no ban on the players, they choose not to engage with RTE.

Yes players have been on rte but only after they have retired from playing. That proves that individually they have nothing against rte. Mcguigan and Jordan are part pf the sunday game panel and get called on on occasions. Mcmenamin was on it but he was really not a good choice for tv with his speech impediment. The fact that mcguigan and jordan and mcmenamin wouldn't dare to go on rte while they were part of the tyrone squad but then go a few months after retiring shows exactly what the situation is re freedom of choice for the players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

Of course the players can do as they like but they all know if they put themselves forward to talk to rte they won't be part of the Tyrone team. Most people wouldn't call that a choice.

They all?

McGuigan and Jordan have made fleeting appearances on RTE and I think Ricey has been on once buy that is probably the height of it.

There is no ban on the players, they choose not to engage with RTE.

Yes players have been on rte but only after they have retired from playing. That proves that individually they have nothing against rte. Mcguigan and Jordan are part pf the sunday game panel and get called on on occasions. Mcmenamin was on it but he was really not a good choice for tv with his speech impediment. The fact that mcguigan and jordan and mcmenamin wouldn't dare to go on rte while they were part of the tyrone squad but then go a few months after retiring shows exactly what the situation is re freedom of choice for the players.

Ex players trying to make a bit of money shocker. They can actually make some money today as pundits unlike TV appearances on RTE back in their playing days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on July 12, 2016, 08:40:59 AM
"Such a fickle nature those who observe from great distance". Micky Harte quote which just popped up on Twitter there after I read this thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2016, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

Of course the players can do as they like but they all know if they put themselves forward to talk to rte they won't be part of the Tyrone team. Most people wouldn't call that a choice.

They all?

McGuigan and Jordan have made fleeting appearances on RTE and I think Ricey has been on once buy that is probably the height of it.

There is no ban on the players, they choose not to engage with RTE.

Yes players have been on rte but only after they have retired from playing. That proves that individually they have nothing against rte. Mcguigan and Jordan are part pf the sunday game panel and get called on on occasions. Mcmenamin was on it but he was really not a good choice for tv with his speech impediment. The fact that mcguigan and jordan and mcmenamin wouldn't dare to go on rte while they were part of the tyrone squad but then go a few months after retiring shows exactly what the situation is re freedom of choice for the players.

Ex players trying to make a bit of money shocker. They can actually make some money today as pundits unlike TV appearances on RTE back in their playing days.

Yes, but what that proves is that the players as individuals have no axe to grind with rte. They only boycott it while they are playing because of a fear of repercussions from harte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

By the way, remind us all how harte had his name blackened incorrectly by rte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

By the way, remind us all how harte had his name blackened incorrectly by rte.

Some of the double standards muck spouted about by RTE employees with regard to Harte's team and players have certainly sought to damage his name. Nevermind the personal digs about his family and leaking of confidential information.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2016, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.

Players are free to do as they like. They choose not to, Harte is the not the only Tyrone man to have his name incorrectly blackened by RTE.

By the way, remind us all how harte had his name blackened incorrectly by rte.

Some of the double standards muck spouted about by RTE employees with regard to Harte's team and players have certainly sought to damage his name. Nevermind the personal digs about his family and leaking of confidential information.

Souns like you're clutching at straws with that general, non specific, throw crap at the wall and hope some sticks sort of tirade against rte. The boycott is a bit tiresome and tedious now and the players lose a lot of credit for not being able to think and speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 07:46:49 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about him.
Don't have Sky though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: barking mad on July 12, 2016, 01:22:38 AM
What does that make Sligo.
Don't bother answering.
I seen what it makes ye.
Can't believe ye are 2/1 outsiders v Clare at home.
And we're useless

Hey, I was commenting on the comedy value of Brolly and his outlandish remarks. Pipe down and stop trying to be offended
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P

Yep Canavan is excellent on Sky. Best in the business IMO
Bound to be next Tyrone manager?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on July 13, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 12, 2016, 07:36:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 12, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 11, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
Joe and colm are in an awkward position here. Be consistent and fair and they may face another county who doesn't talk to rte. or ignore and their own reputation for speaking out bravely  without fear nor favour is down the toilet.

In fairness Tyrone's decision not to talk to RTE has got nothing to do with any criticism of the counties negative, cynical tactics by RTE. It was a personal decision taken by Mickey Harte which he was fully entitled to make but the blanket ban should not be extended to all of the Tyrone players and mentors imo. Even Alex Ferguson used to at least send out Mike Phelan to do interviews with the BBC.


What is your point here? Or are you just a bitter Armagh man? Of course most of the players have no personal issue. There is no blanket ban, can you imagine if one done an interview and harte dropped him lol, he would be gone.

The players have chose to stand firm beside their manager, whats the big deal, its a mark of respect.

As for alex ferguson allowing phelan to talk I think you will find that Manchester united forefeit millons if they fail to provide post match interviews under the premiership agreement.

This is a non issue! I don't watch RTE at all anymore, for starters I go to tyrone games and secondly I don't get it in the north. Its a rubbish channel and like most things in the south completely outdated and unregulated!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on July 13, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P

Yep Canavan is excellent on Sky. Best in the business IMO
Bound to be next Tyrone manager?

World of difference between being an analyst and being a manager.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on July 13, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P

Yep Canavan is excellent on Sky. Best in the business IMO
Bound to be next Tyrone manager?

What a ridiculous leap to make
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 13, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
Didnt to much with Fermanagh when he had both Quigleys
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far.

What'd Joe say in the article?

Joe's a barrister anyway, lying is his trade.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far.

What'd Joe say in the article?


Joe's a barrister anyway, lying is his trade.

I spoke to Jarlath Burns in Croke Park last Sunday. His point was that the GAA is in a healthy position and that I am overly concerned about the direction we are taking. I said to him: "Can you imagine if I'd said to you 10 years ago that we'd be giving a private free market company €6.5m a year to represent county players?''

"Never thought of it that way," he said.


Jarlath denies saying this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 29, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far.

What'd Joe say in the article?


Joe's a barrister anyway, lying is his trade.

I spoke to Jarlath Burns in Croke Park last Sunday. His point was that the GAA is in a healthy position and that I am overly concerned about the direction we are taking. I said to him: "Can you imagine if I'd said to you 10 years ago that we'd be giving a private free market company €6.5m a year to represent county players?''

"Never thought of it that way," he said.


Jarlath denies saying this.
With Croke Park heads denial is the default reaction to any criticism anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on August 29, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
Yeah Joe was giving out loads about the GPA on Sat night too at that chat panel thing I was at. Marty Morrissey said it's a very unbalanced view with nobody there from the GPA to give the other side. MM also said the GPA have done loads of good things for the players including how to deal with gambling and mental health problems.

Joe also brought up how stats have ruined the game and it's all about distance covered and crazy stats that have no place in football and how teams now are more interested in stopping the other teams playing including Kerry whereas Dublin go out and have the freedom to express themselves and they all enjoy playing. Easy to say I suppose when you're a neutral and you don't care so much who wins but you just want to be entertained.

Jack O'Shea said the best football he's watched this year is the minor championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on August 29, 2016, 02:15:18 PM
Joe is on a crusade against the "capitalist " ethos that are emerging on the GAA.  His total trumpeting of the Dubs in an uneasy bedfellow with this crusade .

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 29, 2016, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far.

What'd Joe say in the article?


Joe's a barrister anyway, lying is his trade.

I spoke to Jarlath Burns in Croke Park last Sunday. His point was that the GAA is in a healthy position and that I am overly concerned about the direction we are taking. I said to him: "Can you imagine if I'd said to you 10 years ago that we'd be giving a private free market company €6.5m a year to represent county players?''

"Never thought of it that way," he said.


Jarlath denies saying this.

I like to slowly empty one of these over my head while I'm reading Joe's latest anecdote.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 29, 2016, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2016, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 29, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 01:18:11 PM
Jarlath more or less now accusing Brolly of lying in yesterdays Sunday Independent article in a conversaton he had with him last Sunday. Brolly has not refuted the comments from Jarlath so far.

What'd Joe say in the article?


Joe's a barrister anyway, lying is his trade.

I spoke to Jarlath Burns in Croke Park last Sunday. His point was that the GAA is in a healthy position and that I am overly concerned about the direction we are taking. I said to him: "Can you imagine if I'd said to you 10 years ago that we'd be giving a private free market company €6.5m a year to represent county players?''

"Never thought of it that way," he said.


Jarlath denies saying this.

I like to slowly empty one of these over my head while I'm reading Joe's latest anecdote.

(https://s3-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/aaramservice.com/product/1457439450.jpg)

I heard that all Meathmen are Saxa-maniacs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 29, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
The coarser the better.
I like to chew my salt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on August 29, 2016, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 29, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
Yeah Joe was giving out loads about the GPA on Sat night too at that chat panel thing I was at. Marty Morrissey said it's a very unbalanced view with nobody there from the GPA to give the other side. MM also said the GPA have done loads of good things for the players including how to deal with gambling and mental health problems.

Joe also brought up how stats have ruined the game and it's all about distance covered and crazy stats that have no place in football and how teams now are more interested in stopping the other teams playing including Kerry whereas Dublin go out and have the freedom to express themselves and they all enjoy playing. Easy to say I suppose when you're a neutral and you don't care so much who wins but you just want to be entertained.

Jack O'Shea said the best football he's watched this year is the minor championship.

Would be great chat night with Dessie or Donal Og or any GPA rep went on with Brolly. He'd wipe the floor with them and they know that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on August 29, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
He wipes the floor with everyone because he doesn't allow anyone else to speak.
There's always two sides to a discussion but Joe never lets the other side be told.

Did you hear him yesterday telling Lyster to make Spillane stop his rant?
You need a very strong host to control Brolly on what he says.
He often makes excellent good points but he often offends a lot of people when making them.
I'd say he'll be popular now with the Mayo ones in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
Someone calls bullshit on one of Brolly's anecdotes? That's a shocker!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 29, 2016, 07:27:05 PM
somebody needs to turn round and tell him to shut he f**k up, he constantly interrupts people, so annoying, wonder he do this shit in court?:
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on September 07, 2016, 12:12:24 PM
What do people think of Brolly's latest article as below
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-penny-has-to-drop-we-need-to-get-back-to-playing-the-game-really-playing-35019237.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-penny-has-to-drop-we-need-to-get-back-to-playing-the-game-really-playing-35019237.html)

As usual he makes some very good interesting points, especially how Kerry have abandoned their traditional style for the Ulster blanket defensive style but I think he's looking through blue rose tinted glasses a bit if he thinks the Dubs don't play a lot more defensively now as well. Jim Gavin has sensibly made Dublin a lot more cautious defensively since the Donegal semi defeat 2 years ago but Joe seems to be hell bent in having a pop at Kerry for not going toe to toe with Dublin and providing us with more of the entertainment that was on display in 2013 when many said this was the best match for years and could mark the end of the negative blanket defensive style.

I'm just curious how do most of ye see Dublin this year? Are they more conservative than other years? I don't think they go for goals as much as they did other seasons yet the scored over 20 points v Kerry.
I as a Tyrone fan living in Dublin am fed up watching us often getting 13 or 14 men behind the ball and not playing any sort of direct attacking football but I think Kerry and Dublin showed you can still have an entertaining game with lots of scores and goals without going gung ho with no emphasis on defence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 07, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
I think the big difference is that Dublin use their attacking ability as a defensive weapon. In terms of blanket defence etc they get their half forwards etc to track back but they start defending from the front and don't pick a forward to drop back into sweeper role. Dublin wouldn't concede much more than any of the defensive teams but do score far more. Seeing Tyrone playing with 13 players in defence when losing to Mayo in the qtr-final and allowing Mayo to just pass over and back in the last  5 mins was shocking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 07, 2016, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 07, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
I think the big difference is that Dublin use their attacking ability as a defensive weapon. In terms of blanket defence etc they get their half forwards etc to track back but they start defending from the front and don't pick a forward to drop back into sweeper role. Dublin wouldn't concede much more than any of the defensive teams but do score far more. Seeing Tyrone playing with 13 players in defence when losing to Mayo in the qtr-final and allowing Mayo to just pass over and back in the last  5 mins was shocking.

What you've just described is forwards working hard to defend, as they bloody should! That some people think this is the same as the blanket defence is a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 08, 2016, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2016, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 07, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
I think the big difference is that Dublin use their attacking ability as a defensive weapon. In terms of blanket defence etc they get their half forwards etc to track back but they start defending from the front and don't pick a forward to drop back into sweeper role. Dublin wouldn't concede much more than any of the defensive teams but do score far more. Seeing Tyrone playing with 13 players in defence when losing to Mayo in the qtr-final and allowing Mayo to just pass over and back in the last  5 mins was shocking.

What you've just described is forwards working hard to defend, as they bloody should! That some people think this is the same as the blanket defence is a bit worrying.

Hurling folk call that inteshity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2016, 12:27:43 PM
No, intensity is when they actually bother their arse tackling, instead of 'marking space'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
That marking space is a great success.
I've never heard of space ever getting a score in any game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 08, 2016, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2016, 12:27:43 PM
No, intensity is when they actually bother their arse tackling, instead of 'marking space'.

As Jinxy might say, the Dubs won't fear space.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 08, 2016, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
That marking space is a great success.
I've never heard of space ever getting a score in any game.

Marking space hasn't done Cian OSullivan any harm
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on September 08, 2016, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
That marking space is a great success.
I've never heard of space ever getting a score in any game.

All Ireland final in 1996. There was a space no one was marking and it went over bar to bring it to replay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on September 08, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
That marking space is a great success.
I've never heard of space ever getting a score in any game.

That well known idiots' phrase
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayoffs on September 08, 2016, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 08, 2016, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
That marking space is a great success.
I've never heard of space ever getting a score in any game.

All Ireland final in 1996. There was a space no one was marking and it went over bar to bring it to replay.

That was the goalkeepers space !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sans pessimism on September 08, 2016, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P

Yep Canavan is excellent on Sky. Best in the business IMO
Bound to be next Tyrone manager?
hmm...Cavan Gaels might not agree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on September 08, 2016, 09:17:19 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 08, 2016, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: ck on July 13, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Not many good pundits around from Tyrone.
I can barely understand them anyway.
Logie would be the exception.

It's not only on the field of play that you're totally oblivious to Canavan's presence.  :P

Yep Canavan is excellent on Sky. Best in the business IMO
Bound to be next Tyrone manager?
hmm...Cavan Gaels might not agree

His stint in charge of Fermanage was distinctly unimpressive too.

World of difference between able to point things out on the telly and the hard graft of actually managing a team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 08, 2016, 09:17:19 PM


World of difference between able to point things out on the telly and the hard graft of actually managing a team.

KMcStay please note :-\
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on September 08, 2016, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2016, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 08, 2016, 09:17:19 PM


World of difference between able to point things out on the telly and the hard graft of actually managing a team.

KMcStay please note :-\

And Gary Neville !!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html)

I wonder would Jim McGuinness do us all a favour and write about how Joe Brolly should bring something different to his punditry? Like maybe silence? His article above is pure dung. It was dung before the match and it reads even worse than dung after the match. He is the ultimate celebrity himself, even littering his dung with other people's opinions, presumably as he can't work it out for himself.

As for his rubbishing of the character of people like Lee Keegan, who he blames for 'signalling another Mayo capitulation'. Joe should count himself lucky he didn't have to mark Keegan, otherwise he might never have made to the celebrity, name-dropping bullshitter that he has become.

"Mayo players are spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brats" according to Joe. Funnily enough if I had to think of someone who was a 'spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brat', Joe Brolly would be quick to enter my head.

The problem for Joe now is that there is real competition from Sky. Peter Canavan is showing him up to be a spoofer of the highest order. His belittling of Ciarán Whelan's semi-final observation that Kerry pushing up on Cluxton's kickout was a deliberate tactic, should not have been tolerated by RTE. Especially when, on Sky, Caravan expertly showed that not only was it a tactic, but where the tactic came from. Brolly should be apologising to Whelan and leaving the punditry to proper pundits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html)

I wonder would Jim McGuinness do us all a favour and write about how Joe Brolly should bring something different to his punditry? Like maybe silence? His article above is pure dung. It was dung before the match and it reads even worse than dung after the match. He is the ultimate celebrity himself, even littering his dung with other people's opinions, presumably as he can't work it out for himself.

As for his rubbishing of the character of people like Lee Keegan, who he blames for 'signalling another Mayo capitulation'. Joe should count himself lucky he didn't have to mark Keegan, otherwise he might never have made to the celebrity, name-dropping bullshitter that he has become.

"Mayo players are spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brats" according to Joe. Funnily enough if I had to think of someone who was a 'spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brat', Joe Brolly would be quick to enter my head.

The problem for Joe now is that there is real competition from Sky. Peter Canavan is showing him up to be a spoofer of the highest order. His belittling of Ciarán Whelan's semi-final observation that Kerry pushing up on Cluxton's kickout was a deliberate tactic, should not have been tolerated by RTE. Especially when, on Sky, Caravan expertly showed that not only was it a tactic, but where the tactic came from. Brolly should be apologising to Whelan and leaving the punditry to proper pundits.


Joe 1 Muppet 0
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 20, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-mayo-players-are-spoiled-mollycoddled-blameeverybodyelse-brats-35057246.html)

I wonder would Jim McGuinness do us all a favour and write about how Joe Brolly should bring something different to his punditry? Like maybe silence? His article above is pure dung. It was dung before the match and it reads even worse than dung after the match. He is the ultimate celebrity himself, even littering his dung with other people's opinions, presumably as he can't work it out for himself.

As for his rubbishing of the character of people like Lee Keegan, who he blames for 'signalling another Mayo capitulation'. Joe should count himself lucky he didn't have to mark Keegan, otherwise he might never have made to the celebrity, name-dropping bullshitter that he has become.

"Mayo players are spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brats" according to Joe. Funnily enough if I had to think of someone who was a 'spoiled, mollycoddled, blame-everybody-else brat', Joe Brolly would be quick to enter my head.

The problem for Joe now is that there is real competition from Sky. Peter Canavan is showing him up to be a spoofer of the highest order. His belittling of Ciarán Whelan's semi-final observation that Kerry pushing up on Cluxton's kickout was a deliberate tactic, should not have been tolerated by RTE. Especially when, on Sky, Caravan expertly showed that not only was it a tactic, but where the tactic came from. Brolly should be apologising to Whelan and leaving the punditry to proper pundits.


Joe 1 Muppet 0

because someone bites its a victory for Joseph? In Joe's world yes, but come on Walt. Joe's a very likeable man and is good craic, but let's be real here, he'll write anything to get a bit of attention and I'm sure doesn't really believe a lot of it himself.

"blame-everybody-else brats" -  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 02:30:51 PM
Anyone who takes Brolly seriously JOG - more fool them I say!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 02:30:51 PM
Anyone who takes Brolly seriously JOG - more fool them I say!

The 'he's a WUM' argument might excuse the odd, funny, internet account. But it hardly vindicates a barrister pretending to be a journalist.

Read this for example:

"I like to text football people before big games with a simple question: Dublin or Mayo? Oisín McConville texted back immediately: "Dublin handy." "Why?" I texted. "For f*** sake Joe, do you want me to right (sic) your column for you?" "Not until you learn to right," I texted. One after another the messages came in from football men across the country:"

Joe might think we will all see this as funny, but I think McConviile is more than funny with his reply. He is probably hitting the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2016, 03:36:03 PM
James Horan made an excellent point on the newstalk sunday paper review on Sunday, along these lines...
Brolly likes to wax lyrical about the "fior gael" and loves his anecdotes about the togetherness of the local GAA club, the young scuts running around with their hurleys in the halla and the ladies making tea after training, and the volunteerism and how it brings all of us closer together.
But then he writes complete shite like that when is nothing but divisive. Its personal attacks on people and players and where they are from. Saying things like "Sean Cavanagh is not a man", disparaging whole counties of people because they don't fit into his supposed view of the world which is, what? Its impossible to tell because surely a team of players who get beaten and come back time and time again for nothing more than trying to finish a thing they started, the love of the game and the love of their county, should be the poster children for the "Fior Gael" that he likes to talk about. But yet he appears to see those qualities as valueless and in fact in his view makes them somehow weak. So which way does he want it? Is it that you have to win the ultimate prize and if you don't all your efforts are valueless? Where does that leave the other 28 odd counties who haven't challenged for anything over the past 10 years?

I cant tell because his supposed beliefs one week, are completely undermined the next. In the words of Eamonn Dunphy on someone else "hes a bluffer and a spoofer"

we all know he just loves the attention, but there is something distinctly lacking in his character that allows him to put his name to articles like that.
I still cant believe the Mayo county board paid him to show up in City West last Saturday night, ridiculous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 04:21:56 PM
Cool your jets you mad man!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 20, 2016, 05:21:10 PM
The Sindo article was dreadful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 20, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/mayo-proved-dont-need-celtic-cross-ultimate-warrior/2530677/ (http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/mayo-proved-dont-need-celtic-cross-ultimate-warrior/2530677/)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2016, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 20, 2016, 04:21:56 PM
Cool your jets you mad man!
Joe, is that you?
Pity I didn't meet you on your Presidential walkabout into town on Sunday, could have a good debate about your article
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 20, 2016, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/mayo-proved-dont-need-celtic-cross-ultimate-warrior/2530677/ (http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/mayo-proved-dont-need-celtic-cross-ultimate-warrior/2530677/)

Great article, some proper perspective on this Mayo team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 07:46:56 PM
I don't take Brolly too seriously and he is intelligent and can be very entertaining as well. However he has a vicious tongue on him at times and that article was an opportunistic cheap shot at an excellent team on the morning of an AI final. He works off a set agenda and one of these agendas is the 'Dublin are saving Gaelic football' school of thought. Mayo were simply the team caught in the cross fires. I happen to share his opinion on Dublin in the sense that they are the best side to watch playing Gaelic football. However much of their corporate bullshit speak about 'processes' and with their massive back room staff of about 20 and their PR officer sheltering the players from the public is entirely at odds with Brollys community based philosophy. Joe is a bundle of contradictions. Entertaining but someone I wouldn't take too serious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on September 20, 2016, 08:35:43 PM
Joe is like Mrs Brown's Boys to me, I know some people find him entertaining but I can't stand listening to him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 20, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Did Joe ever respond to Jarlath Burns after he called bullshit on their conversation?

Did anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 20, 2016, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 07:46:56 PM
I don't take Brolly too seriously and he is intelligent and can be very entertaining as well. However he has a vicious tongue on him at times and that article was an opportunistic cheap shot at an excellent team on the morning of an AI final. He works off a set agenda and one of these agendas is the 'Dublin are saving Gaelic football' school of thought. Mayo were simply the team caught in the cross fires. I happen to share his opinion on Dublin in the sense that they are the best side to watch playing Gaelic football. However much of their corporate bullshit speak about 'processes' and with their massive back room staff of about 20 and their PR officer sheltering the players from the public is entirely at odds with Brollys community based philosophy. Joe is a bundle of contradictions. Entertaining but someone I wouldn't take too serious.
The Indo also had an article featuring a quote from Eamon McGee saying the 2 of the Donegal players went drinking the night before the 2012 final "because it was only Mayo".
I hope Mayo cream the Dubs the next day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on September 20, 2016, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 20, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Did Joe ever respond to Jarlath Burns after he called bullshit on their conversation?

Did anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny

Yeah just watched it back and that did happen. compared to sky's analysis pre game there is some difference. Rte panel just hash about years and teams gone by
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 20, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 07:46:56 PM
I don't take Brolly too seriously and he is intelligent and can be very entertaining as well. However he has a vicious tongue on him at times and that article was an opportunistic cheap shot at an excellent team on the morning of an AI final. He works off a set agenda and one of these agendas is the 'Dublin are saving Gaelic football' school of thought. Mayo were simply the team caught in the cross fires. I happen to share his opinion on Dublin in the sense that they are the best side to watch playing Gaelic football. However much of their corporate bullshit speak about 'processes' and with their massive back room staff of about 20 and their PR officer sheltering the players from the public is entirely at odds with Brollys community based philosophy. Joe is a bundle of contradictions. Entertaining but someone I wouldn't take too serious.

Joe won't be long turning on the Dubs when it suits him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2016, 11:35:09 PM
I found Brolly's article quite depressing .
Normally amateur players aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a large paycheck , but for amateur players it should be out of the question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on September 21, 2016, 09:28:15 AM
QuoteI found Brolly's article quite depressing .
Normally amateur players aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a large paycheck , but for amateur players it should be out of the question.

After the Tyrone game Joe wrote an article dishing out plaudits to AOS. Compared to Sunday's article it's like two different people writing these articles. It doesn't make sense.

I also briefly met Joe at this Tyrone game. He comes across as a few cards short of a full deck and this clearly comes across in his writing and his facial expressions on the SG. He is now due a "talk up" article about us for the replay, just wait and see.

In any case this all appears to be a case of multiple personality disorder so I think we should go easy on the poor little man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on September 21, 2016, 09:42:23 AM
QuoteDid anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny


Did Spillane come up with his usual "3 tings that are needed to win this match" and then dreams up just two tings. Happens every time and is very funny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on September 21, 2016, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 21, 2016, 09:28:15 AM
QuoteI found Brolly's article quite depressing .
Normally amateur players aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a large paycheck , but for amateur players it should be out of the question.

After the Tyrone game Joe wrote an article dishing out plaudits to AOS. Compared to Sunday's article it's like two different people writing these articles. It doesn't make sense.

I also briefly met Joe at this Tyrone game. He comes across as a few cards short of a full deck and this clearly comes across in his writing and his facial expressions on the SG. He is now due a "talk up" article about us for the replay, just wait and see.

In any case this all appears to be a case of multiple personality disorder so I think we should go easy on the poor little man.
is there professional help he can get for this? Anyone we can call on his behalf or am I making light of mental illness with those questions?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 21, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 21, 2016, 09:42:23 AM
QuoteDid anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny


Did Spillane come up with his usual "3 tings that are needed to win this match" and then dreams up just two tings. Happens every time and is very funny.

He said there were 3 tings why he thought Dublin would win so near enough. Think he got to 3 alright on this occasion!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 21, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)

I enjoy that piece and the dead dog story has me in stitches every time because it's a real Dungiven story and knowing anyone from there you can picture how that conversation went!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on September 21, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
Joe Brolly spending a lot of time in Mayo recently. Any truth in the rumour that it is him and not McGuinness that has been drafted into the Mayo backroom team. Sunday's article may have been designed to provoke a reaction from the Mayo players
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2016, 03:15:02 PM
No mental illness just pure ego. Plenty of barristers are like this, they have to be to be successful at what they do. they are basically actors with a law degree.

He is full of s**t and I tune out now tbh. He seems to wave about some cause or another every few months so as to buy him carte blanche at attacking someone again.

All rather sickening

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
I've often wondered if there's an element of narcissism in everything Joe does.
I remember he was talking about Jody Devine on twitter a good while back.
The two had recently met at some fundraiser or other (Jody's daughter received a kidney transplant a few years ago).
Anyway, he made reference to the 6 points Jody scored in extra-time against Kildare in the first replay in '97.
I agreed with him that Jody was a legend but corrected him to say Jody actually scored 4 points, not 6.
He replied to say that I was wrong, it was 6 points.
Then I think I tweeted a link to the youtube video which shows the 4 points he scored.
Not a dickie-bird out of Joe in response.
Completely harmless stuff but it demonstrated to me that Joe, despite what he might say himself, always has to be the smartest boy in the class.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 20, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Did Joe ever respond to Jarlath Burns after he called bullshit on their conversation?

Did anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny

Yeah I was laughing at this as well and I got the impression the other lads are fed up hearing Joe's amazing stories of how he mixes with these famous people and how he goes to hospitals to meet kids on their death beds. I mean don't get me wrong he probably has done a lot for sick kids but he always has to announce it to the world so he looks good.

Did you notice he was about to start another yarn about him with Derry when Lyster cut him off and talked about something else?

What were they chatting about at one stage when Brolly told Spillane that's a load of nonsense. Something to do with the GAA struggling in the 70s.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 05:53:56 PM
Yeah, Brolly's response to that was pure petulance.
He didn't like the fact that Lyster was visibly trying to move the discussion on from his various trips down selective memory lane.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on September 21, 2016, 07:30:51 PM
Arra he's a silver spoon w**ker. Telling you all about feeding the poor and healing the sick whilst tramping off to college in trinity which no "true Gael" as he calls them, would even consider.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on September 22, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)
Couple of things popped into my head reading this;
1. Kimmage is a great interviewer and writer.
2. Brolly was very truthful about his marriage, and it was sort of inevitable he would split with the wife. The article was dated 2013 and i think they split 2015?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on September 22, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 20, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Did Joe ever respond to Jarlath Burns after he called bullshit on their conversation?

Did anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny

Yeah I was laughing at this as well and I got the impression the other lads are fed up hearing Joe's amazing stories of how he mixes with these famous people and how he goes to hospitals to meet kids on their death beds. I mean don't get me wrong he probably has done a lot for sick kids but he always has to announce it to the world so he looks good.

Did you notice he was about to start another yarn about him with Derry when Lyster cut him off and talked about something else?

What were they chatting about at one stage when Brolly told Spillane that's a load of nonsense. Something to do with the GAA struggling in the 70s.

Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 05:53:56 PM
Yeah, Brolly's response to that was pure petulance.
He didn't like the fact that Lyster was visibly trying to move the discussion on from his various trips down selective memory lane.

All the lads were talking about pre-match team talks.  They were asked about what Rochford and Gavin would be saying to their players before the game, and what are the normal things that managers would focus on. Babs Keating was mentioned by Lyster, Spillane told a story about Micko's teeth falling out and no one noticing, O'Rourke had joined in as well.  They were all reminiscing. The camera then cut to Micko in the crowd, just as Brolly was about to tell a story which came from Eamonn Burns, (about a managers pre-match war cry). Lyster  just pointed out the fact the Micko was in the crowd and what a great man he was, and the conversation moved on.  Didn't really see a response from Joe about that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 12:17:16 PM
Spillane has a pop at Brolly 6 mins in
https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie/ep-15-pat-spillane-on-brollys-celebrity-loser-comment-are-the-dubs-lacking-hunger (https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie/ep-15-pat-spillane-on-brollys-celebrity-loser-comment-are-the-dubs-lacking-hunger)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2016, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 21, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)

I enjoy that piece and the dead dog story has me in stitches every time because it's a real Dungiven story and knowing anyone from there you can picture how that conversation went!
A truer Dungiven story would be the driver sped up to make sure he got the dog.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
I've often wondered if there's an element of narcissism in everything Joe does.
I remember he was talking about Jody Devine on twitter a good while back.
The two had recently met at some fundraiser or other (Jody's daughter received a kidney transplant a few years ago).
Anyway, he made reference to the 6 points Jody scored in extra-time against Kildare in the first replay in '97.
I agreed with him that Jody was a legend but corrected him to say Jody actually scored 4 points, not 6.
He replied to say that I was wrong, it was 6 points.
Then I think I tweeted a link to the youtube video which shows the 4 points he scored.
Not a dickie-bird out of Joe in response.
Completely harmless stuff but it demonstrated to me that Joe, despite what he might say himself, always has to be the smartest boy in the class.
Joe has a unique issue.
not just narcissism, not just multi personality but a multi psyche personality disorder. He's got the one personality, in which is contained aspects of many disorders :)
Nevertheless, Joe is socially very functional, in an impulsive kind of way, but that appears to be quite "normal" up there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 22, 2016, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2016, 03:15:02 PM
No mental illness just pure ego. Plenty of barristers are like this, they have to be to be successful at what they do. they are basically actors with a law degree.

He is full of s**t and I tune out now tbh. He seems to wave about some cause or another every few months so as to buy him carte blanche at attacking someone again.

All rather sickening

Yes he donated his kidney to another guy just so he could say some more mad shit!

Jesus wept
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 22, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2016, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2016, 03:15:02 PM
No mental illness just pure ego. Plenty of barristers are like this, they have to be to be successful at what they do. they are basically actors with a law degree.

He is full of s**t and I tune out now tbh. He seems to wave about some cause or another every few months so as to buy him carte blanche at attacking someone again.

All rather sickening

Yes he donated his kidney to another guy just so he could say some more mad shit!

Jesus wept

Red Hand challenging Tony for being the biggest arse on the board!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on September 22, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)

What a brilliant interview! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on September 22, 2016, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 22, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Not wanting to go down the 'mental illness' route, but in his interview with Paul Kimmage a while back Joe himself gave a good insight into his personality and some of his quirks.
I'll let you read the article for yourself.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/a-walk-on-the-wild-side-paul-kimmage-meets-joe-brolly-29760681.html)

What a brilliant interview! :)

+1.

He seems like a complex individual and a good human being. I generally agree with his points, except with respect to Mayo.

Joe, If you are reading this , can you please stop the name dropping, was at the game Sunday, finally got around to watching last night, fast forwarded to parade, only to hear Joe talking about how he was talking to David Hickey. Joe please stop it gets old. I used to work with a guy who you to name drop all the time, in the end everybody just rolled their eyes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on September 22, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 12:17:16 PM
Spillane has a pop at Brolly 6 mins in
https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie/ep-15-pat-spillane-on-brollys-celebrity-loser-comment-are-the-dubs-lacking-hunger (https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie/ep-15-pat-spillane-on-brollys-celebrity-loser-comment-are-the-dubs-lacking-hunger)

When Spillane is the one talking about someone and is actually talking sense, it's surely time for that person to sort themselves out.  Best thing he could do imo is pack in all the media stuff. A lot of the time I get the sense he's simply an addict for attention. Reminds me of kids who constantly act out.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on September 22, 2016, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 22, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2016, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 21, 2016, 03:15:02 PM
No mental illness just pure ego. Plenty of barristers are like this, they have to be to be successful at what they do. they are basically actors with a law degree.

He is full of s**t and I tune out now tbh. He seems to wave about some cause or another every few months so as to buy him carte blanche at attacking someone again.

All rather sickening

Yes he donated his kidney to another guy just so he could say some more mad shit!

Jesus wept

Red Hand challenging Tony for being the biggest arse on the board!!

2 Derry men complaining, surprise surprise I would be embarrassed of him. I know plenty about him and would not surprise me in the slightest if ego crazily played a part
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 23, 2016, 01:46:57 PM
Stating and complaining are two different things. Didn't your mother/auntie teach ya nothing :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayoffs on September 23, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 20, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Did Joe ever respond to Jarlath Burns after he called bullshit on their conversation?

Did anyone hear on Sunday Brolly was on another of his I was talking to such and such and Spillane said to O'Rourke in the background how come we never be speaking to these people or something to that effect. Thought it was funny

Yeah I was laughing at this as well and I got the impression the other lads are fed up hearing Joe's amazing stories of how he mixes with these famous people and how he goes to hospitals to meet kids on their death beds. I mean don't get me wrong he probably has done a lot for sick kids but he always has to announce it to the world so he looks good.

Did you notice he was about to start another yarn about him with Derry when Lyster cut him off and talked about something else?

What were they chatting about at one stage when Brolly told Spillane that's a load of nonsense. Something to do with the GAA struggling in the 70s.

As Estimator said, Brolly had been cut off by Lyster just as he was about to tell a yarn about Burns because Micko was in shot. Spillane spoke about his 80th celibrations in Waterville, told the false teeth story and spoke about the great rivalry between Kerry and the Dubs back in the 70's when as Spillane put it,  football wasn't doing well and that they saved the game to which Brolly could be heard in the background saying 'rubbish, that's a load of nonsense'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on September 24, 2016, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 21, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
Joe Brolly spending a lot of time in Mayo recently. Any truth in the rumour that it is him and not McGuinness that has been drafted into the Mayo backroom team. Sunday's article may have been designed to provoke a reaction from the Mayo players
I think Brolly is going out with some girl from Mayo now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on September 24, 2016, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 24, 2016, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 21, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
Joe Brolly spending a lot of time in Mayo recently. Any truth in the rumour that it is him and not McGuinness that has been drafted into the Mayo backroom team. Sunday's article may have been designed to provoke a reaction from the Mayo players
I think Brolly is going out with some girl from Mayo now.

Correct
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 24, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 24, 2016, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 21, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
Joe Brolly spending a lot of time in Mayo recently. Any truth in the rumour that it is him and not McGuinness that has been drafted into the Mayo backroom team. Sunday's article may have been designed to provoke a reaction from the Mayo players
I think Brolly is going out with some girl from Mayo now.

As Mayo GAA conspiracy theories go, we are getting into Heffo territory here.  ;D

What next? Mayo drop chemtrails over Laois to brainwash referee?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on September 24, 2016, 11:49:52 AM
Hey Muppet. Just cause we are paranoid dont mean tgey aint all after us. And whats the story with these chemtrail. Are they any use
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 24, 2016, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 24, 2016, 11:49:52 AM
Hey Muppet. Just cause we are paranoid dont mean tgey aint all after us. And whats the story with these chemtrail. Are they any use

Shhhhh...

We'll find out on the 1st.  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayoffs on September 24, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 24, 2016, 12:19:28 AM
It is a load of nonsense and no narcissistic idiot should be allowed to proclaim such on the public airwaves without someone shouting "that's a load of nonsense" in the background.

Agree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on September 26, 2016, 11:48:49 AM
I wonder what Kimmage thought when he went home that evening about Joe.
To me it sounds like Joe wanted to show him the adulation he has created for himself.
Where most people would hate this amount of hassle from the public I think Joe thrives on it.

Here is what happened when Joe Brolly and Paul Kimmage went for a pint after the All Ireland final
"As we approached, the roar started. Then became a chant. I blew kisses. They went wild."

This is what happened when Joe Brolly tried to go for a pint with Paul Kimmage after last week's All Ireland football final. The Derry man describes the intense public attention he attracts in his Sunday Independent column today, and it makes for a fascinating read.
Brolly describes how he convinced fellow Sunday Independent columnist Kimmage to go for a few pints, and how Kimmage was stunned by the chanting and abuse directed at the pundit.

"For Jesus sake Joe, this is mental."
Brolly, however, has become immune to it all.

"I don't even notice it any more. A big crowd of lads drinking outside a terrace were chanting my name and giving the bird and the fingers and other signs that aren't even allowed post-watershed. A crowd from Mayo intercepted me for selfies. I was introduced to a group of disabled adults in their county colours. "
Kimmage wanted to go home at this stage, but Brolly dragged him to Mulligan's pub. The duo grabbed a lift with the guards to Poolbeg Street in comical fashion.

"Give us a lift boys, or we'll write about you in next week's paper."
"f**k this, I'm away," said Kimmage when he saw the massive crowd roaring at Brolly's arrival. Brolly is asked for dozens of selfies, and compares the situation to the Eoin McLove episode in Father Ted.

"The squad gathered round for photos roaring 'What do you think of that Joe Brolly?'"'
Despite all the attention, things eventually calmed down, and Joe was able to go inside for a pint.

"When it eventually calmed down a bit, I was able to stand out on the street with a crowd of men from various clubs. One of them said to me, quite seriously, 'Jaysus Joe, you should think about how to monetise this.' Which sums up what has gone wrong with Irish society."
All that for a pint.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 11:56:29 AM
I don't think Joe makes much of a distinction between positive and negative attention, as long as he's getting plenty of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on September 26, 2016, 12:14:14 PM
Kimmage was on off the ball yesterday talking about it. Said he was going to write about it but didnt as  Brolly's copy had dropped first and it had covered it.
Describes Joe as an exceptional individual that you cant apply logic too. On the abuse he was giving Mayo the week before and his then walking amongst the Mayos afterwards and not seeing a problem, Kimmage reckons that Brolly cant really fathom why someone would take offence from it and therefore doesn't act as you would expect to when he meets someone he had just "wronged"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mick999 on September 26, 2016, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 26, 2016, 11:48:49 AM
I wonder what Kimmage thought when he went home that evening about Joe.
To me it sounds like Joe wanted to show him the adulation he has created for himself.
Where most people would hate this amount of hassle from the public I think Joe thrives on it.

Here is what happened when Joe Brolly and Paul Kimmage went for a pint after the All Ireland final
"As we approached, the roar started. Then became a chant. I blew kisses. They went wild."

This is what happened when Joe Brolly tried to go for a pint with Paul Kimmage after last week's All Ireland football final. The Derry man describes the intense public attention he attracts in his Sunday Independent column today, and it makes for a fascinating read.
Brolly describes how he convinced fellow Sunday Independent columnist Kimmage to go for a few pints, and how Kimmage was stunned by the chanting and abuse directed at the pundit.

"For Jesus sake Joe, this is mental."
Brolly, however, has become immune to it all.

"I don't even notice it any more. A big crowd of lads drinking outside a terrace were chanting my name and giving the bird and the fingers and other signs that aren't even allowed post-watershed. A crowd from Mayo intercepted me for selfies. I was introduced to a group of disabled adults in their county colours. "
Kimmage wanted to go home at this stage, but Brolly dragged him to Mulligan's pub. The duo grabbed a lift with the guards to Poolbeg Street in comical fashion.

"Give us a lift boys, or we'll write about you in next week's paper."
"f**k this, I'm away," said Kimmage when he saw the massive crowd roaring at Brolly's arrival. Brolly is asked for dozens of selfies, and compares the situation to the Eoin McLove episode in Father Ted.

"The squad gathered round for photos roaring 'What do you think of that Joe Brolly?'"'
Despite all the attention, things eventually calmed down, and Joe was able to go inside for a pint.

"When it eventually calmed down a bit, I was able to stand out on the street with a crowd of men from various clubs. One of them said to me, quite seriously, 'Jaysus Joe, you should think about how to monetise this.' Which sums up what has gone wrong with Irish society."
All that for a pint.

There was a great discussion with Kimmage on newstalk on Sunday  morning paper review where he discussed the story ..

The Joe brolly bit is towards the end of the show, but the discussion on Wiggins TUE's & Mc Ateer are also well worth a listen ..



http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/159159/Sunday_Paper_Review_Kimmage__OToole_on_TUEs
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on September 26, 2016, 02:05:56 PM
Cheers lads. Didn't think Kimmage would be so foul mouthed on the radio.  :-[

That last point they make is totally accurate that a lot of people take issue with a lot of his personal comments but then when they meet him face to face they can't help but be sweet talked into liking him and you can really see that with the RTE crew. You would worry for him though some day that he will meet the wrong group with a load of drink on them and it could get ugly. Fair play he takes so much time to go to talk with those who are ill so often.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 26, 2016, 02:05:56 PM
Cheers lads. Didn't think Kimmage would be so foul mouthed on the radio.  :-[

That last point they make is totally accurate that a lot of people take issue with a lot of his personal comments but then when they meet him face to face they can't help but be sweet talked into liking him and you can really see that with the RTE crew. You would worry for him though some day that he will meet the wrong group with a load of drink on them and it could get ugly. Fair play he takes so much time to go to talk with those who are ill so often.

(http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/article29645438.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20131009_SPO_058_29216185_I1.JPG)

:)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on September 28, 2016, 11:18:19 AM
to be hones i dont care if brolly gives bothe Kidneys and his liver to save a dying mother of 8 , its of no interest to me as a gaa supporter . many people do similar things for many reasons .
I will only ever judge him as a GAA  pundit and in that he has proven over and over again he prefers soundbite over substance and when he feels hes not getting enough attention , like any little bollix he ups the stakes and get more vile, nasty  and personal ,

and as for Paul Kimmage , the best Journalist in ireland IMHO, new found interest in the GAA ,i would say be wary of Greek bearing gifts, 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on September 28, 2016, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 28, 2016, 11:18:19 AM

and as for Paul Kimmage , the best Journalist in ireland IMHO, new found interest in the GAA ,i would say be wary of Greek bearing gifts,

Interesting tweet from Philip Jordan yesterday

Philip Jordan ‏@PhilipJordan7  23h23 hours ago
TUE's are wide open for ethical abuse. Have those criticising their use considered that GAA teams/players have pushed them to the limit?

https://twitter.com/PhilipJordan7/status/780881856103387136

Would be interesting to know whether any GAA teams have an abnormally high number of TUEs?

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Athlete-Zone/Therapeutic-Use-Exemptions-/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I see Brolly had a cut at Hennelly yesterday... probably a bit OTT but why did Hennelly feel the need to release a public statement about playing a bad game? There was no need for it!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on October 10, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I see Brolly had a cut at Hennelly yesterday... probably a bit OTT but why did Hennelly feel the need to release a public statement about playing a bad game? There was no need for it!!

Its harsh I would not have a cut at a person like that. However like a lot Brolly has to say, its not far from the truth, including his comments about my own county in the summer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2016, 10:37:20 AM
The man is a disgrace. I am not saying I would post a message like that or if I did it would be a lot shorter. But we live in a different world of communication these days. The keeper was visibly shaken on the pitch and I imagine for a few days after. If he wants to tweet a message to supporters then let him. Brolly doesn't have to read it. The media latched on to it. I'm no big fan of Mayos but for a man who ever thing he does is calculated to try and project his public image its rich saying that hennelly was doing this as some form of upping his celebrity.

I seriously think this man has lost the run of himself. These players commit like professional athletes and keep the likes of brolly on a big wage. He can criticise management decisions even hennellys goalkeeping if he is that way inclined but he has no place criticising the mans reasons for expressing gratitude to his supporters and those who helped him out in probably the most difficult week of his career.

Disgraceful man and you can wield out whatever selfless self righteous acts you want but he is on an ego driven ride to destruction and will go to far one of these days
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 10, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Rudi on October 10, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I see Brolly had a cut at Hennelly yesterday... probably a bit OTT but why did Hennelly feel the need to release a public statement about playing a bad game? There was no need for it!!

Its harsh I would not have a cut at a person like that. However like a lot Brolly has to say, its not far from the truth, including his comments about my own county in the summer.
Hennelly released a statement to the Mayo fans, its not possible for them to individually address ever Mayo fan without the rest of the world seeing it. he did it on instagram. The way Brolly seems to talk about it (I don't know, I wont read it) its as if Hennelly held a press conference on the steps of the dail. Lee Keegan also released a "statement", on twitter. No talk about that? Alan Dillon released a "statement" also as did other players from both side. Even Kilkenny and Tipp players did it, shock horror. I suppose Alan Dillon is a serial loser as well because hes had the cheek to keep training, playing and trying since 2003? Might it have something to do with Hennelly being heavily involved with the GPA? Does Joe have another agenda? No, your right he doesn't, hes just a f**king physcopath with a typewriter. no celtic cross has even been worth so much to one man, if he hadn't been lucky enough to win one he'd have nothing to say, his whole platform is built around the fact that he won one. Well Joe in large parts of Kerry and Cork you'd be considered a serial loser as well with your one poxy medal.

Why isn't he talking about a Dublin player headbutting Tom Parsons and leaving him with seven stitches?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 10, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: iorras on October 10, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Rudi on October 10, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I see Brolly had a cut at Hennelly yesterday... probably a bit OTT but why did Hennelly feel the need to release a public statement about playing a bad game? There was no need for it!!

Its harsh I would not have a cut at a person like that. However like a lot Brolly has to say, its not far from the truth, including his comments about my own county in the summer.
Hennelly released a statement to the Mayo fans, its not possible for them to individually address ever Mayo fan without the rest of the world seeing it. he did it on instagram. The way Brolly seems to talk about it (I don't know, I wont read it) its as if Hennelly held a press conference on the steps of the dail. Lee Keegan also released a "statement", on twitter. No talk about that? Alan Dillon released a "statement" also as did other players from both side. Even Kilkenny and Tipp players did it, shock horror. I suppose Alan Dillon is a serial loser as well because hes had the cheek to keep training, playing and trying since 2003? Might it have something to do with Hennelly being heavily involved with the GPA? Does Joe have another agenda? No, your right he doesn't, hes just a f**king physcopath with a typewriter. no celtic cross has even been worth so much to one man, if he hadn't been lucky enough to win one he'd have nothing to say, his whole platform is built around the fact that he won one. Well Joe in large parts of Kerry and Cork you'd be considered a serial loser as well with your one poxy medal.

Why isn't he talking about a Dublin player headbutting Tom Parsons and leaving him with seven stitches?

probably because it didnt happen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
I couldn't help but wonder what would Brolly be writing on social media if he was playing today?
What would he have said if he was in Hennelly's boots? I can't see him remaining quiet anyway.  ;D

There are some players who are quiet and get on with the job like Cluxton and some who are like Joe who want to tweet etc and have their say. Of all people to be calling the kettle black, Brolly loves the limelight himself but seems to have issues with others who like to talk.

I wonder did Cluxton shake his hand in the end. I'd say he comes across a lot of players who want to hit him a box.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 10, 2016, 11:17:39 AM
This is the 3rd weekend in a row brolly gas make personal attacks on the mayo players . one serious sick person. It very easy to kick people when they are doWN.
Mayo Lost an Allireland and we are sick and sore about it  and probably none more so than Robbie Hennelly and all that bullying Bollix, who has the weight of 2 of the nations largest media organs behind him to peddle his brand of hate speech,  can think of doing is pouring scorn  on the man . who rather than hide came out to speak to the public and went on and had an excellent Game for Breaffy  at the weekend.
Thats real character
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: outinfront on October 10, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
One week it's how football has become too professional-like and there's no room for self expression or characters any more, next week it's all about "serious footballers".

Brolly writes anything that will get people talking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 10, 2016, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 10, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
One week it's how football has become too professional-like and there's no room for self expression or characters any more, next week it's all about "serious footballers".

Brolly writes anything that will get people talking.
And the next it will be about the "fior Gael" and how great the tea ladies in Dungiven are and how we all work together in the great association and the week after it'll be something as divisive as it can possibly be. The man needs to be profiled, I think he may have some underlying mental issues or there are two of him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on October 10, 2016, 12:09:12 PM
I'm just surprised that no-one has ever hit him a box. He's never far from the truth but he's the sort that you'd be afraid to say anything to because he would have it down in print the next week. Absolutely nothing is off limits with him. I don't think he wants anything out of the GAA financially, he earns enough in his day job to ensure that he doesn't need to and he rails against the commercialism and 'take take' culture that permeates the organisation by a select few. That is his primary agenda and much of his commentary and analysis is agenda driven. The Hennelly and GPA connection is something he probably discovered during the week and therefore decided to do another piece on him yesterday.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 10, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 10, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
I couldn't help but wonder what would Brolly be writing on social media if he was playing today?
What would he have said if he was in Hennelly's boots? I can't see him remaining quiet anyway.  ;D

There are some players who are quiet and get on with the job like Cluxton and some who are like Joe who want to tweet etc and have their say. Of all people to be calling the kettle black, Brolly loves the limelight himself but seems to have issues with others who like to talk.

I wonder did Cluxton shake his hand in the end. I'd say he comes across a lot of players who want to hit him a box.

Brolly's article conveniently left out that day when Cluxton got sent off he said he should never play for Dublin again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 10, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
Brolly's columns are fiction. He always seems to have conveniently spoken to a county player that week who just happens to agree with him on an issue. Not only that, but it's this constant "I'm so famous, everybody knows me" crap in them. Can his head get any bigger? Ego-centric child.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
This is all about the GPA for Brolly.
Hennelly is just the latest stick he's using to beat them.
Also, I'll have to watch that documentary about the Dubs in 2005 again, because unless Joe saw some kind of directors cut I don't recall the bit with Cluxton after the Leinster final which he refers to.
If you look at Joe's Twitter feed he's pretty much thanking every individual who said anything positive about the article and arguing with every individual who said anything negative about the article.
Which brings us back to the good attention, bad attention angle.
It's just attention he's after, full stop.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on October 10, 2016, 12:53:43 PM
Joe is a man of many contradictions .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2016, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

who cares? that's not the point. who can actually say if he would be better to or not? Joe isn't the lord almighty.

I tell ye if it was me on the other end I would not be short of throwing a bit of personal abuse back at the man as there is plenty of skeletons in the wardrobe. If hes man enough to dish it out!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 10, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

No, his message was to the Mayo fans. This is nobody else's f**king business except Rob Hennelly and people from Mayo who have an interest in the mayo football team.
unlike as Joe would seem to want you to believe, he didn't call a press conference or issue a statement through an "agent", he put up a post on instagram directed to the mayo fans. If he cant do that because some jumped up fuckwit who hasn't a tenth of the integrity or courage or honour that some of those Mayo players have, for fear that someone might write something spiteful about it then honestly we may as well just forget about it.

And all those commentators out there, be they paid or otherwise who lauded the two teams for such a great contest need to be calling out this shit from Brolly. Its not good enough when he just does this to people time and time again and everyone just goes "ah sure that's Joe". There are consequences to his actions and he should be called out for them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 10, 2016, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

Probably but it's a different world these days to when Joe was plying his trade. Lads in their 20's have pretty much been using social media for most of their lives. Practically grew up with it. It's second nature to them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 10, 2016, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 10, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: iorras on October 10, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Rudi on October 10, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I see Brolly had a cut at Hennelly yesterday... probably a bit OTT but why did Hennelly feel the need to release a public statement about playing a bad game? There was no need for it!!

Its harsh I would not have a cut at a person like that. However like a lot Brolly has to say, its not far from the truth, including his comments about my own county in the summer.
Hennelly released a statement to the Mayo fans, its not possible for them to individually address ever Mayo fan without the rest of the world seeing it. he did it on instagram. The way Brolly seems to talk about it (I don't know, I wont read it) its as if Hennelly held a press conference on the steps of the dail. Lee Keegan also released a "statement", on twitter. No talk about that? Alan Dillon released a "statement" also as did other players from both side. Even Kilkenny and Tipp players did it, shock horror. I suppose Alan Dillon is a serial loser as well because hes had the cheek to keep training, playing and trying since 2003? Might it have something to do with Hennelly being heavily involved with the GPA? Does Joe have another agenda? No, your right he doesn't, hes just a f**king physcopath with a typewriter. no celtic cross has even been worth so much to one man, if he hadn't been lucky enough to win one he'd have nothing to say, his whole platform is built around the fact that he won one. Well Joe in large parts of Kerry and Cork you'd be considered a serial loser as well with your one poxy medal.

Why isn't he talking about a Dublin player headbutting Tom Parsons and leaving him with seven stitches?

probably because it didnt happen
Yes it did, I'd stand up in court and attest to seeing it because I did and many others did also.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

If you're on social media, and you use it to communicate your thoughts on a regular basis, do you pretend it never happened, or do you address it and move on?
If he said nothing at all about it people would probably genuinely worry for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 10, 2016, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

If you're on social media, and you use it to communicate your thoughts on a regular basis, do you pretend it never happened, or do you address it and move on?
If he said nothing at all about it people would probably genuinely worry for him.

Whether it's accurate or not some Mayo supporters feel that Hennely is personally responsible for Mayo losing 2 Senior AIFs. (They conveniently forget the 4/5 point blank saves he made to keep Mayo in the game in 2013). Given the pressure cooker that is Mayo football and the hype that surrounds the 65 year wait for Sam, I genuinely feared for the lads well being in the aftermath of the game last Saturday.  The statement he released allayed any fear I had for his wellbeing

Joe is a bully and a blowhard and showed his true colors by kicking a man who was down
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 10, 2016, 03:35:53 PM
Keepers and players have been losing All Ireland finals for decades making huge mistakes in these games - is every dispointment a mental health issue now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ciaraa on October 10, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2016, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

who cares? that's not the point. who can actually say if he would be better to or not? Joe isn't the lord almighty.

I tell ye if it was me on the other end I would not be short of throwing a bit of personal abuse back at the man as there is plenty of skeletons in the wardrobe. If hes man enough to dish it out!

Yeah but stooping to that level is never the solution. Reminds me of Jim Jeffries bit about the bible:

"The bible, that's gods book, as far as I know the devil hasn't brought out a book yet, haven't heard his side of the argument. God's just writing sh1t about him, and the devil's being the bigger man and saying I'm not even going to comment, talking sh1t about me like that."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 10, 2016, 03:35:53 PM
Keepers and players have been losing All Ireland finals for decades making huge mistakes in these games - is every dispointment a mental health issue now?

People lost money and went out of business for decades, so why did suicides outnumber road deaths during the financial crisis? One big reason is that it is contagious and that for the last decade we have had a serious problem with it. A second is that we are far more aware of it now. I wonder how many of those lads you mentioned 'hit the bottle' or 'withdrew into themselves'?

Regarding Brolly, there is no more despicable individual than the person who deliberately kicks you when you are down, in my opinion. Especially one who chooses to do that on a national stage. Joe Brolly is the undefeated world champion of that particular discipline. He is a terrible parasite on our game and represents everything bad in our culture. He is little more than insults, belittling his target du jour, rubbishing players who give everything to their sport, he is begrudgery at its worst and most of all he is all about himself. He is the Donald Trump of the GAA world. Like Trump he is all bluster and offers very little insight. Compare him with Peter Canavan on Sky. Or even the hurling pundits on The Sunday Game.

The fact that all of above, is one of the main faces of our game, on national TV and a national paper, is utterly dismaying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 10, 2016, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 10, 2016, 03:35:53 PM
Keepers and players have been losing All Ireland finals for decades making huge mistakes in these games - is every dispointment a mental health issue now?

People lost money and went out of business for decades, so why did suicides outnumber road deaths during the financial crisis? One big reason is that it is contagious and that for the last decade we have had a serious problem with it. A second is that we are far more aware of it now. I wonder how many of those lads you mentioned 'hit the bottle' or 'withdrew into themselves'?

Regarding Brolly, there is no more despicable individual than the person who deliberately kicks you when you are down, in my opinion. Especially one who chooses to do that on a national stage. Joe Brolly is the undefeated world champion of that particular discipline. He is a terrible parasite on our game and represents everything bad in our culture. He is little more than insults, belittling his target du jour, rubbishing players who give everything to their sport, he is begrudgery at its worst and most of all he is all about himself. He is the Donald Trump of the GAA world. Like Trump he is all bluster and offers very little insight. Compare him with Peter Canavan on Sky. Or even the hurling pundits on The Sunday Game.

The fact that all of above, is one of the main faces of our game, on national TV and a national paper, is utterly dismaying.

I'm not defending Brolly and I dont think the keeper should be abused i just wonder at some in the media and here thinking he shouldnt feel disapointed or annoyed. Its very normal to feel that way after such a loss...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 10, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
. Watching the game in a room full of Mayo people stateside, who are getting real time social media updates from friends and family who are in Croke Park, I actually feared for the lads wellbeing with what I was hearing and seeing.

I don't know Hennelly personally and I am gone so long from Mayo that  I only know a few people who are loosely connected with the panel but in the immediate aftermath of the game I actually contemplated reaching out to one such person to make sure someone was keeping an eye out for him. I can only guess that his parents/family/friends were thinking exactly the same thing and I felt very relieved when I saw the statement that he's now being maligned for

(Another Mayo club not a million miles from Breaffy suffered a double tragedy last year  that could have been averted if people were paying closer attention)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 10, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 10, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
. Watching the game in a room full of Mayo people stateside, who are getting real time social media updates from friends and family who are in Croke Park, I actually feared for the lads wellbeing with what I was hearing and seeing.

I don't know Hennelly personally and I am gone so long from Mayo that  I only know a few people who are loosely connected with the panel but in the immediate aftermath of the game I actually contemplated reaching out to one such person to make sure someone was keeping an eye out for him. I can only guess that his parents/family/friends were thinking exactly the same thing and I felt very relieved when I saw the statement that he's now being maligned for

(Another Mayo club not a million miles from Breaffy suffered a double tragedy last year  that could have been averted if people were paying closer attention)

you dont know if it could have been alerted or not... had someone very close to me take his life and everything was done to try and help him... so you don't know that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2016, 05:06:20 PM
What amazes me about Brolly is how quickly people are to forgive him for his personal outburts.
The story of Cluxton wanting to punch him but then shaking his hand is typical of how Joe can use his personality and wit to bring people around to like him.
I'd say McGeaney and Grimley would be slower to put up with his chat. Did I read in one of his articles that he likes RTE as they put no limits on what he can or cannot say.

In my opinion, he seems to use the whole attending sick people in hospital and going to Novena masses etc as a way to balance up what people think of him. He does seem to put a lot of effort and time into that which is admirable but it just seems to highlight the other side of him as he attacks GAA players and managers at will.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 10, 2016, 05:07:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 10, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 10, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
. Watching the game in a room full of Mayo people stateside, who are getting real time social media updates from friends and family who are in Croke Park, I actually feared for the lads wellbeing with what I was hearing and seeing.

I don't know Hennelly personally and I am gone so long from Mayo that  I only know a few people who are loosely connected with the panel but in the immediate aftermath of the game I actually contemplated reaching out to one such person to make sure someone was keeping an eye out for him. I can only guess that his parents/family/friends were thinking exactly the same thing and I felt very relieved when I saw the statement that he's now being maligned for

(Another Mayo club not a million miles from Breaffy suffered a double tragedy last year  that could have been averted if people were paying closer attention)

you dont know if it could have been alerted or not... had someone very close to me take his life and everything was done to try and help him... so you don't know that

Sorry for your loss, but if you knew the specifics of the situation in question you may have a different opinion. (I should have said "most likely" could have been averted)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2016, 05:28:37 PM
Given the choice of the following articles:

Laud the champions

Or

Kick the losers while they are down

Which one do people think Joe would leap at?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2016, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Would Hennelly have been better off saying nothing and keeping his head down though?

who cares? that's not the point. who can actually say if he would be better to or not? Joe isn't the lord almighty.

I tell ye if it was me on the other end I would not be short of throwing a bit of personal abuse back at the man as there is plenty of skeletons in the wardrobe. If hes man enough to dish it out!

I just think he would be better off putting his head down and waiting for it to blow over. I think Brolly has gone over the top a bit (as usual) and the timing is a little too soon but I think he does have a point. If you were a player who made a big mistake in a big game I think the best thing to do is keep your head down and look to make up for it with actions rather than words. Talk is cheap as they say and the cynic in me does thing is was a bit of PR "please forgive me" angle.

I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on October 10, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
Brolly always picks the easy targets to put the boot into.

Let's face it, for the next few weeks, months and even years, Hennelly is going to get lots of unwanted advice and appraisals from random people as he goes about his business. If I was in shoes, I'd probably want to get my views out first to try and cut down the shite he is going to encounter.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Not drinking themselves to poverty or death like many of them used to.

That's just the Irish though.

You didn't see Bobby Baggio coming out penning opening messages to the Italian public when he skied that penalty over the bar in 94. I think there is a humility in taking things on the chin and having the dignity to let a mistake settle and redeem yourself in actions rather than words. I think Hennelly would have been better served going down that route.

I think intercounty players get a little too much protection regards these matters. They get an awful lot of perks out of playing that they wouldn't otherwise, get their way paid through their degrees, pick up nice handy jobs, free cars in some case and loads of other freebies and handy money thrown their way, not to mention the hubris related things like recognition, girls etc. Anytime they come in the public glare for criticism, there are always those out there who will give it the amateur players shtick, it's a very patronising take on it. These lads know what it's all about before they start so they should take the good with the bad. You'd feel sorry for anyone in Hennelly's position but I don't think it was a wise course of action.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on October 10, 2016, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 10, 2016, 03:35:53 PM
Keepers and players have been losing All Ireland finals for decades making huge mistakes in these games - is every dispointment a mental health issue now?

People lost money and went out of business for decades, so why did suicides outnumber road deaths during the financial crisis? One big reason is that it is contagious and that for the last decade we have had a serious problem with it. A second is that we are far more aware of it now. I wonder how many of those lads you mentioned 'hit the bottle' or 'withdrew into themselves'?

Regarding Brolly, there is no more despicable individual than the person who deliberately kicks you when you are down, in my opinion. Especially one who chooses to do that on a national stage. Joe Brolly is the undefeated world champion of that particular discipline. He is a terrible parasite on our game and represents everything bad in our culture. He is little more than insults, belittling his target du jour, rubbishing players who give everything to their sport, he is begrudgery at its worst and most of all he is all about himself. He is the Donald Trump of the GAA world. Like Trump he is all bluster and offers very little insight. Compare him with Peter Canavan on Sky. Or even the hurling pundits on The Sunday Game.

The fact that all of above, is one of the main faces of our game, on national TV and a national paper, is utterly dismaying.
Well said
The editorial control is abysmal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Not drinking themselves to poverty or death like many of them used to.


That's just the Irish though.

You didn't see Bobby Baggio coming out penning opening messages to the Italian public when he skied that penalty over the bar in 94. I think there is a humility in taking things on the chin and having the dignity to let a mistake settle and redeem yourself in actions rather than words. I think Hennelly would have been better served going down that route.
Not sure what something over 20 years ago has to do with it, nor has nationality, but unless you're Hennelly's shrink then you've no idea of what way of coping emotionally suits him best.,

Both players were blamed for their respective teams not winning a major trophy in their respective sports due to a mistake they made. They both chose different ways to deal with that and I much preferred the humility of Baggio's choice. For me, it felt like Hennelly was hoping he would get cut some slack for coming out and expressing his remorse.

Nationality is there as you brought alcoholism into it and it has been more of an Irish way to deal with problems than other nationalities. You see I guess that's what I'm getting at - it's not all about Robbie Hennelly - of course you feel sorry for him but I think he's doing this for him which I guess wouldn't sit well with me if he cost his team - might be a glib way to look at it but that's how I view it.

Paul Durcan cost his side with a grave error in an All Ireland final 2 years ago but as far as I know he didn't do what Hennelly did.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Comparing the content of a tweet, with an event pre-social media, is just daft.

But regardless, Roberto Baggio has talked to the media about his penalty miss many times. Here is an interview from 2002: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football)

Now Bomber, compare the 'humility' of Baggio from that interview with Hennelly's statement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on October 10, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Not drinking themselves to poverty or death like many of them used to.

That's just the Irish though.

You didn't see Bobby Baggio coming out penning opening messages to the Italian public when he skied that penalty over the bar in 94. I think there is a humility in taking things on the chin and having the dignity to let a mistake settle and redeem yourself in actions rather than words. I think Hennelly would have been better served going down that route.

I think intercounty players get a little too much protection regards these matters. They get an awful lot of perks out of playing that they wouldn't otherwise, get their way paid through their degrees, pick up nice handy jobs, free cars in some case and loads of other freebies and handy money thrown their way, not to mention the hubris related things like recognition, girls etc. Anytime they come in the public glare for criticism, there are always those out there who will give it the amateur players shtick, it's a very patronising take on it. These lads know what it's all about before they start so they should take the good with the bad. You'd feel sorry for anyone in Hennelly's position but I don't think it was a wise course of action.

Sure Sean Cavanagh couldn't wait to get talking to the papers about his red card against mayo. Not much difference with hennelly in my opinion. Hennelly can use his own personal social media however he sees fit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
I don't see a parallel with Cavanagh. I can't remember if Cavanagh came out and put his own open letter apology after the game but most of the talk after that exit stemmed from comments from his manager.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 07:49:34 PM
If Rob Hennelly had just taken the microphone at the homecoming and said what he tweeted (Instagram, whatever) out loud, to the Mayo fans, would Brolly have a problem with that?
I don't think he would.
I think there's a generational disconnect here.
As far as Hennelly is concerned, he was addressing the Mayo fans.
As far as Joe is concerned, Hennelly was addressing the world.
I'd wager if Joe heard a recording of Hennelly saying the exact same words from a stage at the homecoming, he'd think, "Fair play son, chin up."
Then he'd go home and write an article destroying him anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Comparing the content of a tweet, with an event pre-social media, is just daft.

But regardless, Roberto Baggio has talked to the media about his penalty miss many times. Here is an interview from 2002: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football)

Now Bomber, compare the 'humility' of Baggio from that interview with Hennelly's statement.

I would have no problem with Hennelly talking about this incident in 8 years time when the dust has settled. I do think it was a bit self-aggrandising for him to come out with that in the immediate aftermath of the game. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2016, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Comparing the content of a tweet, with an event pre-social media, is just daft.

But regardless, Roberto Baggio has talked to the media about his penalty miss many times. Here is an interview from 2002: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football)

Now Bomber, compare the 'humility' of Baggio from that interview with Hennelly's statement.

I would have no problem with Hennelly talking about this incident in 8 years time when the dust has settled. I do think it was a bit self-aggrandising for him to come out with that in the immediate aftermath of the game. You are comparing apples and oranges.

I am analysing your daft comparison ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Imagine if a Tyrone man did what Hennelly did.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 10, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
To be fair Joe didn't sink the boot in Hennelly he more or less just said he shouldn't have went running to social media straight away. I'd agree with him to be fair. As shite columns by Joe go, this one was tame enough.

Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Imagine if a Tyrone man did what Hennelly did.

Indeed. Sean Cavanagh regularly throws out his opinion to the media on everything. The journalists know this and so hang off him for a soundbite to fill out their Tuesday work hours. All the same there's parallels with what Hennelly did and Cavanagh does, there is a fair bit to be said for lads who just put up with the job and keep their mouth shut. I'd much prefer to see Cavanagh keep his mouth shut, God knows he would have enough reasons too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2016, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 10, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
To be fair Joe didn't sink the boot in Hennelly he more or less just said he shouldn't have went running to social media straight away. I'd agree with him to be fair. As shite columns by Joe go, this one was tame enough.

Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Imagine if a Tyrone man did what Hennelly did.

Indeed. Sean Cavanagh regularly throws out his opinion to the media on everything. The journalists know this and so hang off him for a soundbite to fill out their Tuesday work hours. All the same there's parallels with what Hennelly did and Cavanagh does, there is a fair bit to be said for lads who just put up with the job and keep their mouth shut. I'd much prefer to see Cavanagh keep his mouth shut, God knows he would have enough reasons too.

Hennelly has tweeted once since the 9th September. He is hardly prolific. Also he didn't tweet 'straight away', or as Brolly put it...

'....but was no sooner out of the shower than he was embracing his experience, as though it were some noble tragedy. The sort of guff you might expect to hear on daytime TV from one of the guests who has just been chatting about his love of Egyptian cotton pyjamas as he tastes the celebrity chef's black pudding and macaroon sandwich....'

That lone tweet since the 9th September came the day after the reply. '...no sooner out of the shower...' is typical Brolly bullshit.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2016, 08:35:04 PM
Il bomber distro out whatever you are called. You are full of garbage. Where have the strong silent types gone? That sounds like something from a lonely hearts add. Honest to god we and in particular complain about there lads being robots and now when one shows a bit of personality he gets turn apart in a national paper by a gutless weasel.

This lad has to have family, friends and customers and know they are all talking about that article behind his back. The man is a bully and nothing more.

Believe me I met him recently in a bar and he is mor obnoxious, sleazy, self righteous and arrogant in real life. No one knows what hennelly was going through and imo it's not what I would do but he done know harm in writing the message.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 10, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
I think there's a generational divide here.
Brolly belongs to a different era than Rob Henelly in many ways and none more clearly defined than the way in which they communicate with others around them; especially those in their own age group.
People like Rob and younger will look to Facebook, Twitter or whatever to express their opinions and to pass on and receive news. Was talking to a young (23-ish) neighbour about Hennelly's tweet and Brolly's reaction and the best my young pal could think of was that Brolly belonged to the past and has lost touch with the times we live in.
Well, okay, what he said was that to people of his age group, the likes of Brolly are not right in the head.
Bob chose to use social media to express his feelings, which is what any of his contemporaries would do and Brolly, with feck all else to do, rows in with his tuppence worth as if the offending statement had been printed in bold type across the front page of the Irish Times.

I'd go further and say that I doubt if even one single Mayo supporter would give two fucks about anything Brolly has had to say about Hennelly or anyone else. He's a neighbour's child, in a manner of speaking, and we are quite happy with that.
Brolly's stuck in a time warp of his own making and for the good of mankind, I hope he never gets out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on October 10, 2016, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Not drinking themselves to poverty or death like many of them used to.


That's just the Irish though.

You didn't see Bobby Baggio coming out penning opening messages to the Italian public when he skied that penalty over the bar in 94. I think there is a humility in taking things on the chin and having the dignity to let a mistake settle and redeem yourself in actions rather than words. I think Hennelly would have been better served going down that route.
Not sure what something over 20 years ago has to do with it, nor has nationality, but unless you're Hennelly's shrink then you've no idea of what way of coping emotionally suits him best.,

Both players were blamed for their respective teams not winning a major trophy in their respective sports due to a mistake they made. They both chose different ways to deal with that and I much preferred the humility of Baggio's choice. For me, it felt like Hennelly was hoping he would get cut some slack for coming out and expressing his remorse.

Nationality is there as you brought alcoholism into it and it has been more of an Irish way to deal with problems than other nationalities. You see I guess that's what I'm getting at - it's not all about Robbie Hennelly - of course you feel sorry for him but I think he's doing this for him which I guess wouldn't sit well with me if he cost his team - might be a glib way to look at it but that's how I view it.

Paul Durcan cost his side with a grave error in an All Ireland final 2 years ago but as far as I know he didn't do what Hennelly did.

http://www.the42.ie/paul-durcan-on-mistake-donegal-kerry-1776773-Nov2014/?amp=1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sinabhuil on October 10, 2016, 09:01:41 PM
More bullshit. People talk about mindfullness and being able to talk. When a young man has one tweet in gods knows how long about one of the most traumatic events in his life and he gets this bullshit from an old fella who still thinks he is one of the lads. This guy helps kids with CF and then he comes out with this about a guy who has just expressed his deepest emotions. He needs to think more about what he writes and the effect of it. Claiming free press just shows he is not really a GAA man just another greedy hack. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 10, 2016, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 10, 2016, 05:07:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 10, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 10, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
. Watching the game in a room full of Mayo people stateside, who are getting real time social media updates from friends and family who are in Croke Park, I actually feared for the lads wellbeing with what I was hearing and seeing.

I don't know Hennelly personally and I am gone so long from Mayo that  I only know a few people who are loosely connected with the panel but in the immediate aftermath of the game I actually contemplated reaching out to one such person to make sure someone was keeping an eye out for him. I can only guess that his parents/family/friends were thinking exactly the same thing and I felt very relieved when I saw the statement that he's now being maligned for

(Another Mayo club not a million miles from Breaffy suffered a double tragedy last year  that could have been averted if people were paying closer attention)

you dont know if it could have been alerted or not... had someone very close to me take his life and everything was done to try and help him... so you don't know that

Sorry for your loss, but if you knew the specifics of the situation in question you may have a different opinion. (I should have said "most likely" could have been averted)

ok, delicate subject... peace and love
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 11, 2016, 08:48:18 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2016, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
I guess I agree with Tony Soprano. Where are all the strong silent types gone these days? We are left with generation snowflake who need hugs and kisses every time they have a setback, try and take it on the chin for a change. I have a very cynical disposition toward the mental well being and mindfulness that is being pushed at every angle now and the money certain people and companies are making out of this.
Not drinking themselves to poverty or death like many of them used to.


That's just the Irish though.

You didn't see Bobby Baggio coming out penning opening messages to the Italian public when he skied that penalty over the bar in 94. I think there is a humility in taking things on the chin and having the dignity to let a mistake settle and redeem yourself in actions rather than words. I think Hennelly would have been better served going down that route.
Not sure what something over 20 years ago has to do with it, nor has nationality, but unless you're Hennelly's shrink then you've no idea of what way of coping emotionally suits him best.,

Both players were blamed for their respective teams not winning a major trophy in their respective sports due to a mistake they made. They both chose different ways to deal with that and I much preferred the humility of Baggio's choice. For me, it felt like Hennelly was hoping he would get cut some slack for coming out and expressing his remorse.

Nationality is there as you brought alcoholism into it and it has been more of an Irish way to deal with problems than other nationalities. You see I guess that's what I'm getting at - it's not all about Robbie Hennelly - of course you feel sorry for him but I think he's doing this for him which I guess wouldn't sit well with me if he cost his team - might be a glib way to look at it but that's how I view it.

Paul Durcan cost his side with a grave error in an All Ireland final 2 years ago but as far as I know he didn't do what Hennelly did.
As far as I know there was no social media in 1994. Again Hennelly posted a message on social media TO THE MAYO FANS. he did not hold a press conference.
Yeah Paul Durcan did something much less drastic than posting on social media to the fans, he emigrated to the middle east and hasn't been back much since.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 11, 2016, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: sinabhuil on October 10, 2016, 09:01:41 PM
More bullshit. People talk about mindfullness and being able to talk. When a young man has one tweet in gods knows how long about one of the most traumatic events in his life and he gets this bullshit from an old fella who still thinks he is one of the lads. This guy helps kids with CF and then he comes out with this about a guy who has just expressed his deepest emotions. He needs to think more about what he writes and the effect of it. Claiming free press just shows he is not really a GAA man just another greedy hack.
100% agree.
I despair at Joe Brolly but do believe he has some serious mental issues so perhaps he is to be pitied.
I despair even more that some people cant see how wrong the opinion Joe is expressing is, and even worse some people even agree with him.
I just hope those people never have any misfortune in their lives, and if they do, please don't come looking for any sympathy or a helping hand. If that's your attitude to life and to other people then you don't deserve it. However having said that, most of us are decent enough to realise that even if you are completely wrong in your outlook, we'd still help someone out regardless.
It doesn't sound like Joe or his disciples are capable of that basic humanity and that is their loss.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on October 11, 2016, 11:13:10 AM
Brolly is a conflicted individual, with obvious head problems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 11, 2016, 11:35:35 AM
The issue is not whether a particular player had a bad day or not . An opinion  on that is fair game and make for a lot of the chat and craic about football.
the issue is a billing attempt by Brolly to rob Robbie of a right to express his opinion what ever way he see fit and Attack his character into the bargin.
this not a fair row as Brolly has the all the powers of the national Media of official Ireland to hammer a player he sees in a weak position and I find that Disgusting
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 11, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
In my eyes, Joe is a compulsive attention seeker and often mars his contributions, which can be insightful, with puerile jokes and carefully planned "off the cuff" witticisms that makes his fellow panelists come across as rocket scientists by comparison.
Some years ago, Monaghan played Tyrone (I think) in an Ulster final. Tommy Freeman who works as a roofer badly injured his right hand. While working on a roof, he managed to drive a Hilti nail through his hand. There was considerable doubt about his fitness to play in the run in to the game and when he did appear, his right hand was heavily bandaged.
O'Rourke and the other pair in the studio expressed their sympathies and praised the man for his grit and determination to play despite the obvious pain.
Brolly, on the other hand, found something to laugh about in Freeman's misfortune and kept wisecracking about his carelessness from beginning to end.
At one stage as Freeman prepared to take a free, Brolly chipped in with a snide remark along the lines of he'd better be more careful with the free than he was with his nail guin or God knows what damage he might do.
None of the others from beginning to end paid any attention to his smart arse, running commentary but, undaunted, he kept on looking for laughs until the end of the programme.
Another time, O'Rourke's son was playing in the AI minor final  and Meath were getting a pasting from Kerry. When coverage switched to the Lyster and his panellists, the closing few minutes of the minor game could be seen in the background.
Jeez, Brolly couldn't shut up about what was happening and sarted ribbiing O'Rourke about his son and what he must be feeling. O'Rourke's reply was simple and traight to the point.
"Look,," sez he," Shane will have other days. Now let's get on with what we are being paid for."
Another time, one of O'Rourke's racehorses was in the news for something or other and, once again, Brolly tried to rib him about it. O'Rourke again kept his cool and told Joe they weren't there for the horse racing and (guess what?) once again suggested that maybe they should stick to what they were supposed to be doing.
Okay, others may not agree with me but for me it's a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Many of his excellent analyses can be ruined by his need to seek cheap publicity- more sound bytes than common sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 11, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

That's what I thought in real time, but I don't watch The Brolly Rant anymore so I didn't see a replay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

You can link it directly back to that incident?? Wow.
There's no point in debating the decisions that resulted from his mistakes. His mistakes led directly to Mayo conceding 1-1. There's no getting away from that.
No one in their right mind would say anything other than his performance was very poor, sub standard, call it what you will.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 11, 2016, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 11, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
In my eyes, Joe is a compulsive attention seeker and often mars his contributions, which can be insightful, with puerile jokes and carefully planned "off the cuff" witticisms that makes his fellow panelists come across as rocket scientists by comparison.
Some years ago, Monaghan played Tyrone (I think) in an Ulster final. Tommy Freeman who works as a roofer badly injured his right hand. While working on a roof, he managed to drive a Hilti nail through his hand. There was considerable doubt about his fitness to play in the run in to the game and when he did appear, his right hand was heavily bandaged.
O'Rourke and the other pair in the studio expressed their sympathies and praised the man for his grit and determination to play despite the obvious pain.
Brolly, on the other hand, found something to laugh about in Freeman's misfortune and kept wisecracking about his carelessness from beginning to end.
At one stage as Freeman prepared to take a free, Brolly chipped in with a snide remark along the lines of he'd better be more careful with the free than he was with his nail guin or God knows what damage he might do.
None of the others from beginning to end paid any attention to his smart arse, running commentary but, undaunted, he kept on looking for laughs until the end of the programme.
Another time, O'Rourke's son was playing in the AI minor final  and Meath were getting a pasting from Kerry. When coverage switched to the Lyster and his panellists, the closing few minutes of the minor game could be seen in the background.
Jeez, Brolly couldn't shut up about what was happening and sarted ribbiing O'Rourke about his son and what he must be feeling. O'Rourke's reply was simple and traight to the point.
"Look,," sez he," Shane will have other days. Now let's get on with what we are being paid for."
Another time, one of O'Rourke's racehorses was in the news for something or other and, once again, Brolly tried to rib him about it. O'Rourke again kept his cool and told Joe they weren't there for the horse racing and (guess what?) once again suggested that maybe they should stick to what they were supposed to be doing.
Okay, others may not agree with me but for me it's a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Many of his excellent analyses can be ruined by his need to seek cheap publicity- more sound bytes than common sense.

The worst dig Brolly had at O'Rourke was his reference to NAMA.
Completely inappropriate and mean-spirited.
The thing I've realised about Joe is that he has zero emotional intelligence.
The Marty Morrissey incident was a perfect example of this and I'd wager he still doesn't understand why people made such a fuss about that.
Joe's moment of the year was the Mayo kit man who had a lung transplant.
That in itself is a lovely story, but Joe inserted himself right into the middle of it and we saw footage of him speaking to the kit man in the tunnel either before or after a game.
I got the distinct impression watching that clip that the chap himself was not entirely comfortable with this and he tried to go about his business while Joe basically cornered him in front of the camera.
Joe's only saving grace is the organ donation campaign.
However, that to me now seems like an extension of his narcissism, as harsh as that may sound.
I can live with that, however, as his involvement has raised a lot of awareness around the issue and is helping people who need it badly.
That said, it doesn't give him a pass to behave however he wants.
If he is willing to make a joke about the financial difficulties of a colleague he actually respects on live television, god help anyone he doesn't respect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

You can link it directly back to that incident?? Wow.
There's no point in debating the decisions that resulted from his mistakes. His mistakes led directly to Mayo conceding 1-1. There's no getting away from that.
No one in their right mind would say anything other than his performance was very poor, sub standard, call it what you will.

You choose to limit the discussion to his mistakes, do the positive aspects of his performance not deserve to be included? I know its not as sexy as pillorying him but people can tune in to the Sunday Game for the easy headlines.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on October 11, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
I thought Clarkes kickouts could have been better the first day.  Indeed the below article says as much even if it was trying to argue that Clarke should have started the second day.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/goalkeeping-gamble-will-give-the-mayo-football-management-nightmares-long-into-the-winter-35114621.html

Despite the solidity Clarke provides, and the form he was in, the Mayo selection panel was swayed by three poor kick-outs in succession nearing the close of normal time in the drawn game, of which one led to a Dublin score.

The kickouts where killing Mayo when they were trying to get back into the game near the end.  In fairness other players like Seamus O'Shea who were having fairly good games started kicking the ball away as well and was taken off.

It didn't really work out for whatever reason but I can see why the management went with with Hennelly after watching the video of the first game a few times.



As for Brolly the irony of him writing an article about the Hennelly tweet is that Joe would tweet a picture of himself eating his own **** if he thought it would bring the spotlight back on himself if he was not being talked about for more than 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

You can link it directly back to that incident?? Wow.
There's no point in debating the decisions that resulted from his mistakes. His mistakes led directly to Mayo conceding 1-1. There's no getting away from that.
No one in their right mind would say anything other than his performance was very poor, sub standard, call it what you will.

You choose to limit the discussion to his mistakes, do the positive aspects of his performance not deserve to be included? I know its not as sexy as pillorying him but people can tune in to the Sunday Game for the easy headlines.

Yes they do. Do they outweigh the negatives and the impact the mistakes he made (forget about the ref, lack of match practise and any other excuse) had on the game? No they don't.
He had a poor game and was able to put his hand up and acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballinaman on October 11, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/[/url
(https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/)

"Not everything that counts can be measured, not everything that can be measured counts"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 11, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/2016/1009/822636-lowry-reveals-inner-turmoil-at-us-open-near-miss/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/2016/1009/822636-lowry-reveals-inner-turmoil-at-us-open-near-miss/)

Can't wait for Brolly's article on Lowry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

You can link it directly back to that incident?? Wow.
There's no point in debating the decisions that resulted from his mistakes. His mistakes led directly to Mayo conceding 1-1. There's no getting away from that.
No one in their right mind would say anything other than his performance was very poor, sub standard, call it what you will.

You choose to limit the discussion to his mistakes, do the positive aspects of his performance not deserve to be included? I know its not as sexy as pillorying him but people can tune in to the Sunday Game for the easy headlines.

Yes they do. Do they outweigh the negatives and the impact the mistakes he made (forget about the ref, lack of match practise and any other excuse) had on the game? No they don't.
He had a poor game and was able to put his hand up and acknowledge that.

You have him at fault for 1-1 that came directly from his errors (I make it 0-2 but take the 1-1), yet his long kickouts were the platform for 1-3 that Mayo scored. Does 1-1 > 1-3? Not for me it isn't. His positives probably cancel out his negatives but the popular opinion that he had a very poor game is inaccurate IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 11, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
"Not everything that counts can be measured, not everything that can be measured counts"

Absolutely. Did the defence feel less secure without Clarke between the sticks? I'm sure they did. Did they see Hennellys longer kickouts were securing them possession further down the pitch? You'd hope they did.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 10, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I certainly don't want to pile in on Robbie Hennelly, but he had a very poor day and he needs to take some of the criticism on the chin, as well as Rochford. It's not fair to simply say that it's all on Rochford for picking him, as some have been suggesting. Hennelly made himself available for selection this year and presumably he wanted to play. It's up to him to justify being picked on the day and he didn't. I'm not going to police the guy's personal social media account, but surely there's something to be said for dealing with these things away from the glare of the media? I know he wanted to have his say, but he didn't have to justify himself to the world. He had a bad day. It happens to a lot of players. Just take your medicine and move on.

That said, I don't think there's any need to keep putting the boot in and going over the issue again and again. Brolly's agenda regarding the GPA in his criticism of Robbie Hennelly is obvious and I don't really have a whole lot of time for his opinions generally. Too frequently he claims to be an authority on every ill within the game, and acts as though he knows exactly what's "wrong" with certain teams, or bemoans the creeping professionalism of the game, while also w**king over Dublin at every available opportunity. And he seems utterly incapable of leaving personal criticisms out of it and actually seems to enjoy going after individuals and launching crusades against certain people in the media. Takes a particularly nasty type of person to do that.

I know that's the popular opinion but did he really?

Yes he did. No getting away from that.

Outline where he came up so short so?

Poor kickout resulted in Keegan getting a black card and Dublin scoring simple point.
Dropping a ball an U-12 keeper would hold onto resulted in pen and him getting a black card.
That's 1-1 Mayo conceded that came directly from his errors.
I'd say that's a pretty bad day at the office. No??

That fairly reflects the popular opinion he had a bad day alright, kickouts and the penalty being the issues. Take the kickouts:

Hennelly took 14 kickouts of which Mayo scored 1-03 from and let in 0-02 directly from the possession's gained. That gives Hennelly a net score of 4 points on 14 kickouts, a 29% scoring return. Clarke took 6 kickouts of which Mayo scored 0 – 01 and didn't concede anything (mainly because Dublin weren't pushing up as high as the first half and Clarke was able to go short with all 6 kickouts. That gives Clarke a net score of 1 point on 6 kickouts, a 17% scoring return. So despite the popular opinion Hennelly was nearly twice as valuable on kickouts than Clarke was. (See the kickouts paragraph on don'tfouls excellent blog here https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/))

The dropped ball was the result of him over-analysing the intercepted kickouts and the fact he had been dropped after the Galway game and had no game time since, i.e. no confidence. Keegan getting a black card wouldn't have helped his mindset but this wasn't/shouldn't be on him as the foul itself wasn't a black card. Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

So from the 1-1 and the black card that you say came directly from his errors the stats and video say that Keegan should have remained on the field, the penalty shouldn't have been awarded and up to that point Hennelly had a positive net return of 4 points from his kickouts. The popular opinion will be to lambaste Hennelly, and Rochford for picking him, but I don't think the winter will be as long for them once they have gone through their post match analysis.

You can link it directly back to that incident?? Wow.
There's no point in debating the decisions that resulted from his mistakes. His mistakes led directly to Mayo conceding 1-1. There's no getting away from that.
No one in their right mind would say anything other than his performance was very poor, sub standard, call it what you will.

You choose to limit the discussion to his mistakes, do the positive aspects of his performance not deserve to be included? I know its not as sexy as pillorying him but people can tune in to the Sunday Game for the easy headlines.

Yes they do. Do they outweigh the negatives and the impact the mistakes he made (forget about the ref, lack of match practise and any other excuse) had on the game? No they don't.
He had a poor game and was able to put his hand up and acknowledge that.

You have him at fault for 1-1 that came directly from his errors (I make it 0-2 but take the 1-1), yet his long kickouts were the platform for 1-3 that Mayo scored. Does 1-1 > 1-3? Not for me it isn't. His positives probably cancel out his negatives but the popular opinion that he had a very poor game is inaccurate IMO.

Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.

Yes Maurice Deegan should have taken to Twitter instead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.

Yes Maurice Deegan should have taken to Twitter instead.

You could be on to something there. Incidentally I scrolled through the responses to Hennellys posts and not one troll could I find, very heartening I thought.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.

Yes Maurice Deegan should have taken to Twitter instead.

You could be on to something there. Incidentally I scrolled through the responses to Hennellys posts and not one troll could I find, very heartening I thought.

That's good to hear. I certainly have no animosity towards him, a feeling shared by the vast majority of Mayo supporters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on October 11, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.

Yes Maurice Deegan should have taken to Twitter instead.

You could be on to something there. Incidentally I scrolled through the responses to Hennellys posts and not one troll could I find, very heartening I thought.

That's good to hear. I certainly have no animosity towards him, a feeling shared by the vast majority of Mayo supporters.

Great perspective on Brolly's bullshit by soberpaddy on soberpaddy.com. Well worth a read.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mayo.mick on October 11, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 11, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on October 11, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Is a Platform > Directly Responsible??
I have him at fault for 1-1 and the incalculable loss of Lee Keegan?? Well I say incalculable but I'm sure you can put a figure on that for me!

No, it would be the inverse. And you can't fault him for an incorrect decision from Deegan. Times 2.

Yes Maurice Deegan should have taken to Twitter instead.

You could be on to something there. Incidentally I scrolled through the responses to Hennellys posts and not one troll could I find, very heartening I thought.

That's good to hear. I certainly have no animosity towards him, a feeling shared by the vast majority of Mayo supporters.

Great perspective on Brolly's bullshit by soberpaddy on soberpaddy.com. Well worth a read.

Just after reading it! Worth reading surely
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on October 11, 2016, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 11, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
In my eyes, Joe is a compulsive attention seeker and often mars his contributions, which can be insightful, with puerile jokes and carefully planned "off the cuff" witticisms that makes his fellow panelists come across as rocket scientists by comparison.
Some years ago, Monaghan played Tyrone (I think) in an Ulster final. Tommy Freeman who works as a roofer badly injured his right hand. While working on a roof, he managed to drive a Hilti nail through his hand. There was considerable doubt about his fitness to play in the run in to the game and when he did appear, his right hand was heavily bandaged.
O'Rourke and the other pair in the studio expressed their sympathies and praised the man for his grit and determination to play despite the obvious pain.
Brolly, on the other hand, found something to laugh about in Freeman's misfortune and kept wisecracking about his carelessness from beginning to end.
At one stage as Freeman prepared to take a free, Brolly chipped in with a snide remark along the lines of he'd better be more careful with the free than he was with his nail guin or God knows what damage he might do.
None of the others from beginning to end paid any attention to his smart arse, running commentary but, undaunted, he kept on looking for laughs until the end of the programme.
Another time, O'Rourke's son was playing in the AI minor final  and Meath were getting a pasting from Kerry. When coverage switched to the Lyster and his panellists, the closing few minutes of the minor game could be seen in the background.
Jeez, Brolly couldn't shut up about what was happening and sarted ribbiing O'Rourke about his son and what he must be feeling. O'Rourke's reply was simple and traight to the point.
"Look,," sez he," Shane will have other days. Now let's get on with what we are being paid for."
Another time, one of O'Rourke's racehorses was in the news for something or other and, once again, Brolly tried to rib him about it. O'Rourke again kept his cool and told Joe they weren't there for the horse racing and (guess what?) once again suggested that maybe they should stick to what they were supposed to be doing.
Okay, others may not agree with me but for me it's a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Many of his excellent analyses can be ruined by his need to seek cheap publicity- more sound bytes than common sense.

I remember watching an Offaly match ~10 years back, Mcmanus (who had been one of offaly's best player for years when they were at a low enough ebb) at midfield had a poor enough game on front of goal; several wides, some of which were awful. At fulltime, Brolly & O'Rourke had a piece put together showing misses and misplaced passes from Mcmanus as they sniggered over it. Showed a complete lack of respect for a decent fella trying his best.

A pair of w*nkers the two of them although Joe is certainly the senior w*nker
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on October 12, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
That was never a penalty IMO, clearly reached in and knocked the ball away from Andrews.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on October 12, 2016, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.
Feck it, if we had only known that all you needed to do was complain about a referees decision to get it changed we'd have won the All Ireland. Although Cillian O'Connor complained to Conor Lane about Bastick picking the ball off the ground from the kickout after his equalising point in the first game, but he didn't give the free. He gave a free out for Evan Regan clattering into him. So does it only work if you complain about penalties or what are the rules?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on October 12, 2016, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: iorras on October 12, 2016, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
Quote
Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.
Feck it, if we had only known that all you needed to do was complain about a referees decision to get it changed we'd have won the All Ireland. Although Cillian O'Connor complained to Conor Lane about Bastick picking the ball off the ground from the kickout after his equalising point in the first game, but he didn't give the free. He gave a free out for Evan Regan clattering into him. So does it only work if you complain about penalties or what are the rules?

No. It seems to works on 45's and black cards. But I think it depends on the colour of the jersey.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
Quote
Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 12, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
Quote
Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.
only problem is wed be still waiting for a final call if rugby is anything to go by.
it has become unwatchable as an event that clearly the ref has best view of is replayed to death and all the momentum is go from the game and of the call still looks wrong.
we should just accept referees are going to make mistakes and we are going to complain about them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 12, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.
only problem is wed be still waiting for a final call if rugby is anything to go by.
it has become unwatchable as an event that clearly the ref has best view of is replayed to death and all the momentum is go from the game and of the call still looks wrong.
we should just accept referees are going to make mistakes and we are going to complain about them

I agree that video technology can be drawn out in rugby, which is why something must be immediately obvious or else it can't be given. Take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 12, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
Just so I have this right between this thread and the all Ireland final thread.

Dublin peno was never a peno.
Dublin should have received 6 black cards.
Dublin should have received 5 yellows.
Dublin should have received 2 reds.
Dublin should have conceded 12 more frees than they should have.
Dublin should not be back to back all Ireland champions.
Some of you are comparing our game to rugby.
Accusations of a head butt that one person he alleged he saw but 82,000 spectators and millions watching around the world missed.
Dublin were lucky.
Poor Mayo
Poor Aiden O Shea.
Poor Cillian O Connor, poor thing.

Just wondering how Dublin won it in the end and led nearly the whole 160 minutes of play except for a couple of bloopers in the first half of the replay.

Again gentlemen, enjoy the winter, and winter well because by the sound of it, some of you are going to find it quite difficult to get through knowing that Sam is resting at home in Dublin.






Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 12, 2016, 01:07:29 PM
Are you offering a replay Aristo?

Lads, Brolly doesn't like all this non Brolly chat so can you please keep him in the middle of this discussion.
He just texted me there from some hospital along with Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 12, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 10, 2016, 05:06:20 PM
What amazes me about Brolly is how quickly people are to forgive him for his personal outburts.
The story of Cluxton wanting to punch him but then shaking his hand is typical of how Joe can use his personality and wit to bring people around to like him.
I'd say McGeaney and Grimley would be slower to put up with his chat. Did I read in one of his articles that he likes RTE as they put no limits on what he can or cannot say.

In my opinion, he seems to use the whole attending sick people in hospital and going to Novena masses etc as a way to balance up what people think of him. He does seem to put a lot of effort and time into that which is admirable but it just seems to highlight the other side of him as he attacks GAA players and managers at will.
I read that piece what Joe wrote about Stephen Cluxton and nowhere do I see that Stephen Cluxton was offering his hand or was being bamboozled by Joe's alleged personality.
According to Joe in his article, Cluxton said
"Before you do that (offer hand) I want to tell you that for years I thought of breaking your jaw. I will never forgive you for what you said."

Your point though has much relevance, but don't soil Stephen Cluxton :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 12, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
Anyone remember back in the mid 90s when a well known player's brothers (who are/were notorious hard-men) were going to give Spillane a hiding, and Martin Carney had to smuggle poor Pateen out of Croke Park in the trunk of his car. If Brolly keeps it up don't be surprised if someone takes a swing at him. He's definitely outdone himself this time out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 12, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 12, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net

That would have proved hard to accomplish since the ball broke straight over to Keith Higgins. There is contact for every tussle/reach for a ball, doesn't mean an infraction occurred.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 13, 2016, 10:23:24 AM
Could it not be argued that Hennelly denied Andrews the chance to challenge Higgins for the breaking ball then? This notion that getting to the ball first=no foul is a sky sports soccer thing. It's possible to get to the ball first and then commit the foul which is what Hennelly did.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2016, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 13, 2016, 10:23:24 AM
Could it not be argued that Hennelly denied Andrews the chance to challenge Higgins for the breaking ball then? This notion that getting to the ball first=no foul is a sky sports soccer thing. It's possible to get to the ball first and then commit the foul which is what Hennelly did.

The rule states that "the tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player" and that "deliberate bodily contact is forbidden". There is nothing deliberate (bodily contact wise) in reaching for and breaking away the ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 13, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 12, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net

That would have proved hard to accomplish since the ball broke straight over to Keith Higgins. There is contact for every tussle/reach for a ball, doesn't mean an infraction occurred.
Andrews was tripped/fouled and without that contact he would have gathered the ball for a simple tap in goal.  Anyway your eyesight seems not the best as the only defender that was there was Durcan not Higgins.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 13, 2016, 04:51:49 PM
Croi have you lost the run of yourself or winding us up?

Are you saying then that if a player hits a shot at the keeper, he knocks the ball out to his full back but he then proceeds to grab the forward and not let him tackle the full back that that is no foul?
The fact is had he not fouled Andrews then Andrews would have got the ball and tapped it into the empty net. Simple
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 13, 2016, 05:33:01 PM
That penalty was one of the most straightforward decisions Deegan made. The black card to Keegan a bigger taking point and by the way Joe Brolly is attention seeking gobshite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2016, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 13, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 12, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 11, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
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Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.
I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net

That would have proved hard to accomplish since the ball broke straight over to Keith Higgins. There is contact for every tussle/reach for a ball, doesn't mean an infraction occurred.
Andrews was tripped/fouled and without that contact he would have gathered the ball for a simple tap in goal.  Anyway your eyesight seems not the best as the only defender that was there was Durcan not Higgins.

When a ball is not in anyone's possession it is fair game for anyone. Andrews goes to pick up the bouncing ball, Hennelly lunges and slaps at the ball just as Andrews clasps both hands on it. The ball breaks free to Higgins/Durcan. Hennellys lunge carries him into Andrews and upends him. If Andrews had gained the possession and Hennelly trips him then yes it would have been a penalty. Go look at it again, tried to find it online there but no joy.

Fuzzman, I've no idea what language that question is in, never mind what it means.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 13, 2016, 05:59:20 PM
If 2 midfielders contest a ball and midfielder A breaks the ball away from both and midfielder B drags back/ brings down A, it's still a foul even though neither are in possession. Replace the midfielders with keeper and corner forward and this is what happened-very simplistic I appreciate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 14, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
are people trying to say it wasnt a penalty?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 13, 2016, 05:59:20 PM
If 2 midfielders contest a ball and midfielder A breaks the ball away from both and midfielder B drags back/ brings down A, it's still a foul even though neither are in possession. Replace the midfielders with keeper and corner forward and this is what happened-very simplistic I appreciate.

If there is a drag back then that is a deliberate action and is indeed a foul. If midfielder B brings down A deliberately then that is a foul. If midfielder B falls to the ground innocuously after both midfielders jump/contest for the ball then that is not a foul. The rule in full states:

"The Tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge) is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact can be a Fair Charge i.e. Shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Very simple, if it is not immediately obvious then it can't be given. I'm repeating myself here but take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: westbound on October 14, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Very simple, if it is not immediately obvious then it can't be given. I'm repeating myself here but take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.

But my point was that what one person sees as 'immediately obvious' another disagrees with.

some people think it is immediately obvious that hennelly pulled down andrews. Others think it is immediately obvious that he didn't foul him.

I'm not against video technology being used, but when we have rules that are open to interpretation and we have humans adjudicating on same there will always be contentious issues that people don't agree on (with or without technology).

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Very simple, if it is not immediately obvious then it can't be given. I'm repeating myself here but take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.

But my point was that what one person sees as 'immediately obvious' another disagrees with.

some people think it is immediately obvious that hennelly pulled down andrews. Others think it is immediately obvious that he didn't foul him.

I'm not against video technology being used, but when we have rules that are open to interpretation and we have humans adjudicating on same there will always be contentious issues that people don't agree on (with or without technology).

Sorry, forgot to add, I'd have 2 or ideally 3 video referees and it'd have to be a unanimous decision between the 2 or 3 of them. It would have to be fairly instantaneous too, none of the slow wind/rewind decisions we see the video ref in rugby, they get one chance to look at each camera angle and they have to give an instant decision. If all 2/3 aren't in quick agreement then the decision can't be given and play resumes with whoever was in possession.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 14, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 14, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
are people trying to say it wasnt a penalty?
Just the one person by the looks of it and let him fire away.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on October 14, 2016, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Very simple, if it is not immediately obvious then it can't be given. I'm repeating myself here but take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.

But my point was that what one person sees as 'immediately obvious' another disagrees with.

some people think it is immediately obvious that hennelly pulled down andrews. Others think it is immediately obvious that he didn't foul him.

I'm not against video technology being used, but when we have rules that are open to interpretation and we have humans adjudicating on same there will always be contentious issues that people don't agree on (with or without technology).

Sorry, forgot to add, I'd have 2 or ideally 3 video referees and it'd have to be a unanimous decision between the 2 or 3 of them. It would have to be fairly instantaneous too, none of the slow wind/rewind decisions we see the video ref in rugby, they get one chance to look at each camera angle and they have to give an instant decision. If all 2/3 aren't in quick agreement then the decision can't be given and play resumes with whoever was in possession.

Hey Croí

I have some experience of working with video refs - it can't be instantaneous - the whole point of it is to take the time to give the correct decision. The rolling back and forth of camera angles is all at the request of the video ref, so you can see the care they take to make the decisions. If you're not willing to give them the time to do it, then there is no point having them there.

There's also no way you could have two or three video refs - they have to be in the TV truck, and there is usually no room for more than one. Also, there just wouldn't be enough refs to go around.

Personally I think for a game that doesn't have a lot of setpiece breaks in play, you're actually better off beefing up the personnel out on the field. Remove time keeping from the refs responsibility, have a referee in each half, or failing that, redefine the role of linesman.

And you could do all that, and it would still be a stone cold peno for Andrews  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on October 14, 2016, 05:11:40 PM
Show the replay on the big screen and whichever set of fans roars the loudest wins.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 14, 2016, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.

Very simple, if it is not immediately obvious then it can't be given. I'm repeating myself here but take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.

But my point was that what one person sees as 'immediately obvious' another disagrees with.

some people think it is immediately obvious that hennelly pulled down andrews. Others think it is immediately obvious that he didn't foul him.

I'm not against video technology being used, but when we have rules that are open to interpretation and we have humans adjudicating on same there will always be contentious issues that people don't agree on (with or without technology).

Sorry, forgot to add, I'd have 2 or ideally 3 video referees and it'd have to be a unanimous decision between the 2 or 3 of them. It would have to be fairly instantaneous too, none of the slow wind/rewind decisions we see the video ref in rugby, they get one chance to look at each camera angle and they have to give an instant decision. If all 2/3 aren't in quick agreement then the decision can't be given and play resumes with whoever was in possession.

Hey Croí

I have some experience of working with video refs - it can't be instantaneous - the whole point of it is to take the time to give the correct decision. The rolling back and forth of camera angles is all at the request of the video ref, so you can see the care they take to make the decisions. If you're not willing to give them the time to do it, then there is no point having them there.

There's also no way you could have two or three video refs - they have to be in the TV truck, and there is usually no room for more than one. Also, there just wouldn't be enough refs to go around.

Personally I think for a game that doesn't have a lot of setpiece breaks in play, you're actually better off beefing up the personnel out on the field. Remove time keeping from the refs responsibility, have a referee in each half, or failing that, redefine the role of linesman.

And you could do all that, and it would still be a stone cold peno for Andrews  :D

That's a nice piece of insight easytiger, I presume it was rugby video refs or were there other codes? With rugby the rolling back and forth of film seems to be all about technical calls, was the ball grounded in a ruck, was the ball thrown forward, foot over the line, etc. I presume they have to be in the truck to instruct which clip etc they want to be replayed again etc. What I proposed wouldn't need them to be in the truck though as they would be fed a replay of the incident from the camera angles available (usually 3-4) in real time. If an infraction isn't clear, obvious and unanimous then it isn't given and we move on. If we have the same 2-3 video refs at every venue we should get better consistency, certainly in Croke Park anyway.

If that system was in place I can't see that penalty being awarded. It was a lunge in desperation from Hennelly but it was a tackle at the ball and he broke it away. No way 2-3 video refs unanimously give that as a penalty.

Time keeping should absolutely be removed from referees as well, as with the black card the GAA is intent on having the same setup for Junior B games as AI finals. Where we have the technology and facilities we should use them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 14, 2016, 05:55:37 PM
Quote from: westbound on October 14, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 14, 2016, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 14, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
I suppose I disagree in that I think Hennelly knew what he was doing after he touched the ball first. What it does though is show the difficult job the ref has. We cant agree after seeing the incident so many times never mind having to make a decision in a split second.

We definitely disagree alright, Hennelly for me is in a bit of a blind panic and realises he has to get something on the ball. His arms are outstretched and are aimed totally at the ball, which he slaps, and his momentum carries him into Andrews. Absolutely agree how difficult a job the ref has, which is why we should use video technology. In fact one of the camera angle shows the incident from Deegans angle and you can see why he gave the penalty. However the other angles give a clearer picture.

How would a video referee help if ye still can't agree on whether it was a penalty or not 2 weeks after the event and having watched it as often as ye wanted.
I would assume that a video ref would have more objective football sense and knowledge of the rules, than the people here who think it wasn't a penalty.

His black card was a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 19, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter

Is Joe Brolly really a qualified barrister?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 19, 2016, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter

Is Joe Brolly really a qualified barrister?

He is indeed...

http://www.barofni.com/page/practising-barristers

I quite enjoyed their bit of craic on Twitter... How f**king desperate are these click bait sites having to put up stories about a couple of lads having craic on Twitter?!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 19, 2016, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter

Is Joe Brolly really a qualified barrister?

He is indeed...

http://www.barofni.com/page/practising-barristers

I quite enjoyed their bit of craic on Twitter... How f**king desperate are these click bait sites having to put up stories about a couple of lads having craic on Twitter?!!

I hate myself for clicking on them lol, the worst is that new Irish GAA Banter page on Facebook they never f**k off with their ticket competitions, BTW add them on snapchat if you want to go see Coldplay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on October 19, 2016, 12:57:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 19, 2016, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter

Is Joe Brolly really a qualified barrister?

He is indeed...

http://www.barofni.com/page/practising-barristers

I quite enjoyed their bit of craic on Twitter... How f**king desperate are these click bait sites having to put up stories about a couple of lads having craic on Twitter?!!

Kieran has a book coming out. This banter, as fun as it was, it was done so these sites would have clickbait and therefore, free advertisement for the book ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 19, 2016, 01:12:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter
With  wind vane flexibility, Joe has the shameless knack of getting behind every team after they have the won the AI. Then enhanced and bolstered by that association, he uses their winning exploits to bolster his arguments/slagging off other 'lesser' teams/players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on October 19, 2016, 01:18:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 19, 2016, 01:12:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on October 19, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/joe-brolly-kieran-donaghy-twitter/

Joe Brolly and Kieran Donaghy having a slaggin match on twitter
With  wind vane flexibility, Joe has the shameless knack of getting behind every team after they have the won the AI. Then enhanced and bolstered by that association, he uses their winning exploits to bolster his arguments/slagging of other 'lesser' teams/players.

That's it in a nutshell.

Bandwagon Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 24, 2016, 05:58:56 PM
Joe in his early RTE days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep0OuOfWS6o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 24, 2016, 07:18:01 PM
I have a serious problem with a "pundit" attempting to influence the officiating of a game that will favor one side I've another. Whether he did or not, he claims credit for having done so and that is disgraceful
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 07, 2016, 10:21:30 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-why-i-cant-lose-with-a-career-in-the-bullshit-industry-35191230.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-why-i-cant-lose-with-a-career-in-the-bullshit-industry-35191230.html)

'In truth, the law has been grinding me down. The endless trials. The late-night preparation for cross-examination. Reading complex legislation and case law. Being in daily contact with real-life misery and desperate hardship. Working with addicts, sociopaths, psychopaths. The grieving parents. The suicides. Seeing the fallout of austerity on the poorest people in society as public services are eroded and young mothers turn to shoplifting and worse to make ends meet.
Then there is the nightly work with cystic fibrosis and transplant patients and Optforlife.'


We get it Joe, you're great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on November 07, 2016, 11:32:04 AM

Jinxy, you missed this part of how great Joe is...

About six weeks ago, we noticed that one of our under 16s suddenly wasn't playing with confidence. We wondered why. I watched him carefully one evening during a training match I was refereeing and noticed that when he was kicking the ball with his natural left, he was rolling his left shoulder back and stretching his left arm out from his body. So, when he struck the ball, he was leaning back, his left arm was pulling him off balance and with his body slightly skewed, he was no longer striking the ball with the sweet spot of his foot. After the session, we spent 15 minutes getting rid of this affectation, holding his head down while he kicked, pushing his left shoulder from behind to keep it in position. We worked on this again at the next session. The problem was solved. His kicking was back to normal. His confidence returned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 07, 2016, 11:44:54 AM
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/his-principles-are-completely-movable-colm-orourke-on-joe-brollys-football-views/101490 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/his-principles-are-completely-movable-colm-orourke-on-joe-brollys-football-views/101490)

"You see, Joe would be like the wind - it changes around very often," he said.

"It could be Mayo next year, it could be Kerry. Joe will change anyway, we don't have to worry about him. His principles are completely movable."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
He is right about Kieran Shannon.  Mayo scored 1-14 in the last 2 heartache finals. No score last day off the bad foot. Oisin McConville and Mickey Linden both scored off their bad foot in All Irelands that were won. At one level Mayo are a joke. 95% there and they will not address something that is fixable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on November 07, 2016, 12:05:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
He is right about Kieran Shannon.  Mayo scored 1-14 in the last 2 heartache finals. No score last day off the bad foot. Oisin McConville and Mickey Linden both scored off their bad foot in All Irelands that were won. At one level Mayo are a joke. 95% there and they will not address something that is fixable.

it hurts after a while doesn't it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on November 07, 2016, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
He is right about Kieran Shannon.  Mayo scored 1-14 in the last 2 heartache finals. No score last day off the bad foot. Oisin McConville and Mickey Linden both scored off their bad foot in All Irelands that were won. At one level Mayo are a joke. 95% there and they will not address something that is fixable.

What do you mean? Mayo work tirelessly on the weaker side (all counties do I'm sure) but that doesn't mean all players will become lethal on both sides. Players have natural limitations and no amount of practice will break that ceiling. Mayo have everything bar one or two high class scorers but I've no doubt they are working on maximising their abilities every year. Joe is just taking cheap shots with the benefit of hindsight. Joe's story about the U16 sounds fairly dubious to me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 24, 2016, 05:58:56 PM
Joe in his early RTE days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep0OuOfWS6o
They always try to pick out the eloqent players or the ones who can get an idea across. It's easier now with Twitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Whitehair on November 07, 2016, 01:03:46 PM
QuoteJoe's story about the U16 sounds fairly dubious to me.

The housemate and I went over to St Brigid's pitch one evening a month ago and came across Joe taking the U16s.  Players were in a game of backs v forwards at the end of the session. Joe( in suit trousers and shirt) with a running commentary "Losers make excuses, winners get on with winning!" but at one stage he did take a young lad aside correcting him with the coaching points of the punt pass. That may have been the extent of it, but sure it doesn't make for as good a yarn in the paper.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on November 07, 2016, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Zulu on November 07, 2016, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
He is right about Kieran Shannon.  Mayo scored 1-14 in the last 2 heartache finals. No score last day off the bad foot. Oisin McConville and Mickey Linden both scored off their bad foot in All Irelands that were won. At one level Mayo are a joke. 95% there and they will not address something that is fixable.
Joe's story about the U16 sounds fairly dubious to me.

Man with two pints
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 03:28:45 PM
Not for the first time Joe is confused with the difference between 'witch doctory' and a professional.
I suppose it's all too easy to get confused between the dubious motivational words of a hypnotist played on a tape in the dressing room in a desperate last ditch effort right before a championship game and the input of an experienced MSc in sports psychology in a team over a period of months.





Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 07, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 07, 2016, 11:32:04 AM

Jinxy, you missed this part of how great Joe is...

About six weeks ago, we noticed that one of our under 16s suddenly wasn't playing with confidence. We wondered why. I watched him carefully one evening during a training match I was refereeing and noticed that when he was kicking the ball with his natural left, he was rolling his left shoulder back and stretching his left arm out from his body. So, when he struck the ball, he was leaning back, his left arm was pulling him off balance and with his body slightly skewed, he was no longer striking the ball with the sweet spot of his foot. After the session, we spent 15 minutes getting rid of this affectation, holding his head down while he kicked, pushing his left shoulder from behind to keep it in position. We worked on this again at the next session. The problem was solved. His kicking was back to normal. His confidence returned.

I have seen twelve year olds teaching 8 year olds to kick properly. They manage to do it without applying for Mensa.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 07, 2016, 05:16:18 PM
I like Brolly. I like a lot about him. However, his latest article on Sports Psychology is utter garbage. Anyone who uses a bullshit story about a hypnotist on a tape recorder and lads holding balloons and thinks that's sports psychology clearly is trying to comically entertain rather than inform and educate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.
If it worked with Mayo it wouldn't be
He made some good points about what Mayo have not been doing in the article.
Not scoring off the weak foot is criminal at that level.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 07, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
There is a place for sports psychology if used properly and from the right people. However the gist of Brolly's argument is true. This industry is full of bluffers and spiv's simply in it for a quick buck. There are plenty of corporate motivational guru's who throw out a load of mumbo jumbo lingo to impress an audience who are forced to buy into this positivity talk. I've no doubt there are some people who buy into it but I find the whole thing extremely false and full of pretence.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on November 07, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.
If it worked with Mayo it wouldn't be
He made some good points about what Mayo have not been doing in the article.
Not scoring off the weak foot is criminal at that level.
I think Joe is mistaking psychology with some Jesus like ability to turn water into wine. If it helps 1 player to do some visualisation before they take a pressure free then it will be worth it. Like having warm down stretches might help 1 player avoid a future hamstring and drinking lots of fluids the night before might help 1 player from getting a cramp. I'm fairly sure there is no psychologist could make me the next world darts champion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
There is a place for sports psychology if used properly and from the right people. However the gist of Brolly's argument is true. This industry is full of bluffers and spiv's simply in it for a quick buck. There are plenty of corporate motivational guru's who throw out a load of mumbo jumbo lingo to impress an audience who are forced to buy into this positivity talk. I've no doubt there are some people who buy into it but I find the whole thing extremely false and full of pretence.
Positive thinking in business is bullshit. If the economy is deflating people have very little impact on what happens. Telling them to think positive is taking the piss.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 06:07:19 PM
the article included this

"A video is doing the rounds showing Djokovic sitting in a group of people with Imaz, saying, "We need to be able to look inwards and to establish a connection with the divine light." It will no doubt be an amiable distraction for Djokovic, but when he hits his stride again soon, it will establish Imaz as a doyen of motivators. Athletes and top teams live in a bubble, often lonely, always searching for an edge. So a charismatic, convincing communicator who takes their side can be irresistible."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.
If it worked with Mayo it wouldn't be
He made some good points about what Mayo have not been doing in the article.
Not scoring off the weak foot is criminal at that level.
How do you know what worked and what did not work for Mayo.
In Joe's fantasy courtroom, his opinion counts for gilded evidence , enough evidence to prove beyond doubt the veracity of his opinion that sports psychology did not work for Mayo.
Afaia, Mayo exceeded most everybody's expectations in the championship as they stumbled along into the latter stages. Then they ran the so called super team of the century  (a team which had trounced every other team)  to the very limits of their ability over 2 games.
Next comes pop tabloid psychologist Joe  with his kindergarten mantras about losers and winners, at the same time decrying the benefits of the  use of masters of science psychologists in the game.

Dublin hired a sports psychologist
Maybe Dublin benefitted from some sports psychology in their preparation which helped them over the line, just ahead of Mayo.
Helped them to deal with the jitters in the last 5 minutes in the replay
and that "fact" proves beyond doubt that sports psychology reaps dividends. ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 07, 2016, 11:27:56 PM
Poor Joe has been blocked by Enda on twitter ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 08, 2016, 06:38:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.
If it worked with Mayo it wouldn't be
He made some good points about what Mayo have not been doing in the article.
Not scoring off the weak foot is criminal at that level.
How do you know what worked and what did not work for Mayo.
In Joe's fantasy courtroom, his opinion counts for gilded evidence , enough evidence to prove beyond doubt the veracity of his opinion that sports psychology did not work for Mayo.
Afaia, Mayo exceeded most everybody's expectations in the championship as they stumbled along into the latter stages. Then they ran the so called super team of the century  (a team which had trounced every other team)  to the very limits of their ability over 2 games.
Next comes pop tabloid psychologist Joe  with his kindergarten mantras about losers and winners, at the same time decrying the benefits of the  use of masters of science psychologists in the game.

Dublin hired a sports psychologist
Maybe Dublin benefitted from some sports psychology in their preparation which helped them over the line, just ahead of Mayo.
Helped them to deal with the jitters in the last 5 minutes in the replay
and that "fact" proves beyond doubt that sports psychology reaps dividends. ::)
Mayo went to replays in big matches 3 times in the last 3 years. Did they lose all of the replays by a point?  They are obviously as good as anyone. But they can't close the deal.  Why not ?
Dublin know how to grind out a win. Even Donegal knew.Maybe Mayo are focusing on the wrong thing.  Maybe I believe I can fly is not what you need when up are in a scoring position off your bad foot.
The backs deserve an inquest 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 08:23:06 AM
Hes in the entertainment business - its entertainment!! Who gives a f**k what he thinks?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on November 08, 2016, 08:41:09 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 07, 2016, 11:27:56 PM
Poor Joe has been blocked by Enda on twitter ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's 2 of the 2002 Armagh team who won't be sending Joe cards this Christmas .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 08:23:06 AM
Hes in the entertainment business - its entertainment!! Who gives a f**k what he thinks?

Because people do give a f**k what he thinks, that the problem. The personal attacks are ok to laugh off when they aren't aimed at you. The uneducated attacks on people professional work a la McNulty are ok if its not your business. His bullshit views on the game, i.e. black cards, rule changes regarding kick outs etc are ok, until they come into the GAA rulebook. If people genuinely didn't take him seriously then we could all laugh at the court jester but that, unfortunately, is not the case.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 09:20:40 AM
And doesn't going round in circles and frothing at the mouth on here compound that?

Incidentally, how do you think he should be dealt with?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 08, 2016, 09:31:01 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 09:20:40 AM
And doesn't going round in circles and frothing at the mouth on here compound that?

Incidentally, how do you think he should be dealt with?
He should get his own chatshow on RTE
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
McNulty's line of business is f**king rotten to say the least.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 09:20:40 AM
And doesn't going round in circles and frothing at the mouth on here compound that?

Incidentally, how do you think he should be dealt with?

I don't think the national broadcaster should offer him a platform to spout some of the bile that he comes out with. I've no problem with the shite he writes in newspapers - its a persons prerogative to buy the paper. But a captive audience on a show like the Sunday Game shouldn't have to listen to him personally abuse another person and make up nonsense stories like he does. How many yearns does he have about chatting to a player last week? The entertainment should be in the football, not in the ramblings of the man supposedly there to analyse the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 09:52:30 AM
I understand that, just it seems to me people are usually more effectively dismissed by laughing at them rather than ranting about them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 08, 2016, 09:52:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 08:23:06 AM
Hes in the entertainment business - its entertainment!! Who gives a f**k what he thinks?

Because people do give a f**k what he thinks, that the problem. The personal attacks are ok to laugh off when they aren't aimed at you. The uneducated attacks on people professional work a la McNulty are ok if its not your business. His bullshit views on the game, i.e. black cards, rule changes regarding kick outs etc are ok, until they come into the GAA rulebook. If people genuinely didn't take him seriously then we could all laugh at the court jester but that, unfortunately, is not the case.
100% agree Benny
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 08, 2016, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 09:52:30 AM
I understand that, just it seems to me people are usually more effectively dismissed by laughing at them rather than ranting about them.

I don't think anyone is ranting about him.
Joe is in danger of sliding completely down into Dunphy territory, which would be a pity as he's an intelligent chap who can be very interesting to listen to when he's not playing to the crowd.
Unfortunately, he seems to be embracing this, "Fair play to you for saying it, Joe!" stuff on Twitter, which feeds into this cycle of unnecessary personal attacks.
His latest series of articles conflate motivational speaking with the field of sports psychology.
Whatever he thinks about any of this stuff, it's unfair to single out individuals who work in this field in order to deride their efforts or portray them as charlatans.
I don't know Enda McNulty or Kieran Shannon, but I'm sure they'll take the high road and ignore Joe's nonsense as best they can, but invariably someone will seek them out for comment.
Then again, knowing Joe he probably bumped into the two of them in B&Q since he wrote the articles and they told him he was dead right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
You don't think anyone is ranting about him? Have you read this thread?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2016, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
McNulty's line of business is f**king rotten to say the least.
Another well thought out unbiased contribution from the bushes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 08, 2016, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 08, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
You don't think anyone is ranting about him? Have you read this thread?

Maybe I missed the ranting.
Or maybe I ignored it because the same people do the same ranting on every thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 08, 2016, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
McNulty's line of business is f**king rotten to say the least.
Another well thought out unbiased contribution from the bushes.

Care to unburden your well thought out and unbiased contention to that point?

Or is it in fact you, who offers nonsense from the bushes?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 08, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 07, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: dferg on November 07, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
That's at least 3 times Joe has rehashed the same article with a different name.

The story about the Antrim players laughing about the balloon would have had a better punchline if the players had said and then we ditched the psychologist and have been winning matches ever since.
No psychologist,  it was a recorded message from a hypnotist, words played on machine, therefore in Joe's eyes, all sports psychology is bunkum.

I was there. The proper punchline for the episode; 

After a couple of minutes of listening to the recording and watching the players "focus", with a number of the player's hands rising in the air along with the imaginary inflating balloon.

The manager then said, very calmly " OK lads lets go"..... which was followed by half the team jumping up screaming and hitting each other, "C'mon ta F%^k, get stuck in to those Cavan F$%kers".

So much for the controlled claim focus of the previous minutes.

Funny as hell.

Regarding the psychologist in question. He was a snake oil salesman, who in his mind was the best coach / manager / psychologist / mediator / councilor /  tactician.

This wasn't the work of a sports psychologist, it was the work of a man who stayed in the Holiday Inn the night before and thought he invented sports psychology
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 10, 2016, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
McNulty's line of business is f**king rotten to say the least.

could yuo expand on this
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 11, 2016, 07:01:52 AM
I look forward to the day when Brolly and Spillane take over a senior team and see how they get on!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on November 11, 2016, 01:31:30 PM
Joe should address Trump cos it is far richer BS territory than sport psychology
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 11, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
"ah was just talkin to Donald last week hi"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PMG1 on November 11, 2016, 02:01:52 PM
Joe is managing his U16 team in the Paul McGirr tournament quarter final tomorrow, won Antrim title so putting
his management credentials on the line at Ulster level now
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 11:21:43 AM
I enjoyed his article yesterday, I have to say.
Linked in well with the US election, and made some very good points.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on November 14, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
superb article
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Brolly, for someone who has a non-journalistic background is a brilliant writer. Arguably the best sports journalist out there at the minute when he is not being vindictive. Yesterday's article was another fine piece and Brolly is never too far from the truth. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on November 14, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Brolly, for someone who has a non-journalistic background is a brilliant writer. Arguably the best sports journalist out there at the minute when he is not being vindictive. Yesterday's article was another fine piece and Brolly is never too far from the truth.

Brolly is a brilliant writer, no question. He is a terrible sports journalist though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 14, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 14, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Brolly, for someone who has a non-journalistic background is a brilliant writer. Arguably the best sports journalist out there at the minute when he is not being vindictive. Yesterday's article was another fine piece and Brolly is never too far from the truth.

Brolly is a brilliant writer, no question. He is a terrible sports journalist though.

If it's in depth analysis you are looking for then you are 100% correct.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on November 14, 2016, 02:03:03 PM
Brilliant article. Great writer. Very thought provoking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 14, 2016, 03:07:53 PM
Where was the article?
any links to it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 03:16:19 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-time-is-running-out-to-save-the-gaa-from-going-the-same-way-as-rugby-soccer-and-the-united-states-of-america-35210564.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-time-is-running-out-to-save-the-gaa-from-going-the-same-way-as-rugby-soccer-and-the-united-states-of-america-35210564.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 14, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 03:16:19 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-time-is-running-out-to-save-the-gaa-from-going-the-same-way-as-rugby-soccer-and-the-united-states-of-america-35210564.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-time-is-running-out-to-save-the-gaa-from-going-the-same-way-as-rugby-soccer-and-the-united-states-of-america-35210564.html)

Very good indeed!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 14, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
A desperate attempt to gain real street cred in the GAA   ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on November 15, 2016, 06:41:25 AM
182 pages on Joe now! Some man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on November 15, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
He really knows how to go after the populous vote. Just amazing how many people say "great article" when reading his, because they found a "sound-byte" they agree with.

It hasn't gotten any publicity that I've seen, but Brolly has put the feelers out about running for president when Michael D finishes up!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on November 15, 2016, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 15, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
He really knows how to go after the populous vote. Just amazing how many people say "great article" when reading his, because they found a "sound-byte" they agree with.

It hasn't gotten any publicity that I've seen, but Brolly has put the feelers out about running for president when Michael D finishes up!

Now howl on a minute sir !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 15, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
He really knows how to go after the populous vote. Just amazing how many people say "great article" when reading his, because they found a "sound-byte" they agree with.

It hasn't gotten any publicity that I've seen, but Brolly has put the feelers out about running for president when Michael D finishes up!

I'm by no means a fan of Brollys but I thought it was a very good read - credit were it is due. I think his skills lie in analysis which is away from the football field and directed towards society in general. We are sleepwalking into a new era in the GAA and maybe it is time to step back and ask the question about whether or not we are going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on November 15, 2016, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.

which parts in particular were nonsense? I'm not a great fan of Brolly and a lot of what he spouts, but this is a good article
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 15, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
He spends the whole article slating psychology last week, and quotes a psychiatrist giving a psychological assessment this one  ;D ;D ;D

Also, wouldn't mind seeing the stats re rugby participation, it certainly was growing strongly from 2005 - 2012, the only info I could find online (rose by 50%  :o).

Joe has his views, and the evidence will be bent or invented to fit. Its entertaining, but not to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 15, 2016, 11:23:59 AM
Joe like most critics of "the way the GAA (and/or society) is going" offers no opinions or suggestions of an alternative way to go.
You'll always get a knee jerk supportive reaction to rants about the crowd above in Croke Park, the suits, the Sky deal, the GPA, etc etc.but would be nice to see what vision the critics have
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on November 15, 2016, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2016, 11:23:59 AM
Joe like most critics of "the way the GAA (and/or society) is going" offers no opinions or suggestions of an alternative way to go.
You'll always get a knee jerk supportive reaction to rants about the crowd above in Croke Park, the suits, the Sky deal, the GPA, etc etc.but would be nice to see what vision the critics have

Did you read the article?

This is what Joe suggested...

"There is still time to save the GAA, but it is running out. We need a proper, formal, nationwide debate on the real issues affecting us in the modern world, instead of endless debates about irrelevancies like the black card. This debate must involve every club, county and member. A committee populated by the best minds should be established with a view to setting out a strategy for the next 20 years.

What does being amateur mean? How do we rebalance the Association in favour of the 99 per cent? Do we want to rebalance it? Should we permit professionalism? If so, how will that work? What is our social responsibility, if any? The ultimate aim must be the creation of a modern, properly regulated GAA with a clear set of principles and a clear purpose. The debate should be fearless and the dice should lie where they fall. That way, at the very least, we won't lose the GAA through default. And we might avoid becoming "a nation of strangers".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 15, 2016, 12:37:44 PM
Doesn't Joe propagate these 'endless debates about irrelevancies' probably more than any other?

I'm delighted to hear of the change of heart and very much look forward to this new direction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 15, 2016, 12:44:46 PM
Estimator, all I see is a call for loads of people to do loads of talking.
Not a bad thing in itself but HE offers NO suggestions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2016, 12:44:46 PM
Estimator, all I see is a call for loads of people to do loads of talking.
Not a bad thing in itself but HE offers NO suggestions.

For once Joe doesn't seem to be offering all the solutions which is a refreshing change. But he is right that there needs to be a proper discussion about the road the GAA is going down as it is quite important that a strategy is put in place to safeguard the future of association. It might be the case that  people are happy with the rapid movement towards a very commercially driven association and that's fine. But I'd imagine certain things would need to be addressed very quickly such as a shortened county season, more time devoted to the club season, fixture lists integrating all levels and competitions, proper debate over the television rights, restructuring of the decision making processes at congress, a complete overhaul of the rules to close loopholes and stop the trend towards constant appeals, a properly appointed referees board and even a games development board to look at rule changes etc.

People in general are becoming more and more disengaged with the status quo and are growing frustrated with how things are governed in all aspects of life - the GAA is no different. I think that the point Joe is making and although it makes me feel dirty to admit it - I agree with him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on November 15, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
Whatever your feelings on him, he's right on the money (pardon the pun) here.  Everything good about the GAA is built on the volunteer spirit.  People volunteer because they feel they are part of something good.  That's a very delicate thing and IMO we are harming it irreparably in the GAA (and the country in general).  It's only a sense, a feeling but it's a powerful thing - and once it's lost it's never coming back.

Any volunteer looking at that great corporate behemoth in Dublin selling commercial viewing rights to Rupert Murdoch is bound to be asking "WTF is this all for?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 15, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Seany on November 14, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
Typical Brolly nonsense. He usually starts off with a story about a great GAA man then finishes it off with the comparison with SKY and GPA, or else he just savages something or someone he knows nothing about, or as in this case, he starts about corporate greed and then in his final paragraph compares it to SKY and GPA.  I could take all his stuff about billionaires and their antics and how they are ruining the world and how the common man has no say against them, only for the fact that he is writing it in the paper of Denis O Brien. He is now a caricature of himself, spouting populist nonsense that has no basis in fact whatsoever.

Point out what exactly you disagree with in the article, otherwise you yourself just sound as though you ironically have a personal agenda against Brolly. Your attacking him personally without making any arguments against any of the articles content. I'm no huge fan of him either but yet I'll admit that his is the first article I would read when pulling out the sports pages so there is a contradiction there in itself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 16, 2016, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 15, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
He spends the whole article slating psychology last week, and quotes a psychiatrist giving a psychological assessment this one  ;D ;D ;D

Also, wouldn't mind seeing the stats re rugby participation, it certainly was growing strongly from 2005 - 2012, the only info I could find online (rose by 50%  :o).

Joe has his views, and the evidence will be bent or invented to fit. Its entertaining, but not to be taken seriously.
The quote from Joe's article was  "The theme of the panel was that whereas the audience for rugby has sky rocketed, participation has collapsed."

I suspect what Joe was referring to were the effects  n the traditional club and ÄIL rugby arising  from the emergence of a professional elitism in Irish Rugby and the concentration of resources around that elitism. Not a subject I know much about.

http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/thepateam/irish-rugby-future-ireland-league/ (http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/thepateam/irish-rugby-future-ireland-league/)
"The growth of the provinces has coincided with the gradual decline of the All Ireland League. This competition was once the pride of Irish rugby, below international level. However, the last decade and a half have seen the AIL withering in the shadows, being choked of any light by the incredible growth of the provinces and the Heineken Cup."

I think this time we can  allow Joe a bit of leeway with his 'facts' and take the gist of the article in good faith. Like when a very naughty child on occasion does something good, we reward and encourage the child rather than remind the child of what a rascal he/she is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 16, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
My understanding would be that juvenile participation is up in rugby but adult participation is way down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 16, 2016, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Franko on November 15, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
Whatever your feelings on him, he's right on the money (pardon the pun) here.  Everything good about the GAA is built on the volunteer spirit.  People volunteer because they feel they are part of something good.  That's a very delicate thing and IMO we are harming it irreparably in the GAA (and the country in general).  It's only a sense, a feeling but it's a powerful thing - and once it's lost it's never coming back.

Any volunteer looking at that great corporate behemoth in Dublin selling commercial viewing rights to Rupert Murdoch is bound to be asking "WTF is this all for?"
level
Would it not be the GAA HQ maximizing its value to create revenue that is reinvested into the grassroots level of the organization
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on November 17, 2016, 10:04:39 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 15, 2016, 02:04:14 PM

Any volunteer looking at that great corporate behemoth in Dublin selling commercial viewing rights to Rupert Murdoch is bound to be asking "WTF is this all for?"

It's to ensure that the grassroots are not bankrupted by the costs of a new stadium in 20-odd years time, by which time parts of Croke Park will be over 40 years old and more than likely anachronistic as old stadiums tend to be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 17, 2016, 06:23:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 16, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
My understanding would be that juvenile participation is up in rugby but adult participation is way down.
It follows that there is a higher than 'normal'  drop off rate in rugby with the youth. But it's the demise of the rugby clubs and the traditional club competitions which has probably  caught Joe's  (short span) attention, more so than the numbers.

This is not just an Irish issue but also  in NZ, clubs are on the wane
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/69752802/auckland-club-rugby-facing-crisis-as-player-numbers-take-significant-hit (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/69752802/auckland-club-rugby-facing-crisis-as-player-numbers-take-significant-hit)

"A focus on the elite athlete, with money constantly poured into academy systems, rather than participation on the whole, along with a general sentiment the ARU has become complacent, tending to overlook club rugby, were some frustrations"

The thing is though, Joe highlights many concerns with the path the GAA is taking, eg Sky subscription package,  but he doesn't offer any evidence to support his opinion that all these concerns have a negative effect on the clubs, re  their membership and their vital role in the community.
Not a dickeybird, he doesn't even select one club and relate the awful situation they are in with rampant tumbleweed, declining membership, peeling paint and smelly toilets.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on November 17, 2016, 11:16:18 PM
Joe's spat with a certain profession is getting very nasty !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 17, 2016, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: ashman on November 17, 2016, 11:16:18 PM
Joe's spat with a certain profession is getting very nasty !!

Why what's he said now? He seems to have it in for Enda McNulty
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on November 18, 2016, 01:07:04 AM
Caroline Currid had an article in IT on Thursday . Serious Twitter spat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 09:30:22 AM
Real low blow from her, hiding her profession from criticism behind suicide and the GPA. Similar to the deflection Lance Armstrong did with his cancer charity. http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/caroline-currid-i-was-shocked-by-paul-o-connell-s-preparation-1.2870537 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/caroline-currid-i-was-shocked-by-paul-o-connell-s-preparation-1.2870537)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 11:06:26 AM
I don't see it as low blow just a truth. It's pretty obvious a clown like Joe Brolly doesn't understand psychology or mental health and thinks it's fine to mock and ridicule people from his high horse and doesn't care about the consequences of those public put downs. A sports psychologist creates a bond with a player, invests in the player and if that player can trust the psychologist enough to discuss suicide it's only a good thing. Wolves don't stay awake at night worrying about what the sheep are thinking about, unfortunately males sports are very macho orientated in this country and we have too many sheep not enough wolves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
If you want to attack Joe Brolly, attack away, there are no shortage of things to attack him with. But don't hide your profession from criticism by saying we help guys with depression so don't dare cast a critical eye over here where we are making money from clubs up and down the country with limited involvement and will be out the door at year end never to be seen or heard from again. And don't hold up the GPA as the guardians against suicide when their own social media used to post that if you weren't an affiliated member then not to contact them. And then to compound matters the article gives the number of the Samaritans, if the sports psychologists or the GPA were so interested in the nationwide issue of suicide then their numbers would be up there. It's a straw man argument, designed to pull at your heartstrings and keep the dollars rolling in while not offering any meaningful solution to the rampant problem whatsoever. A low blow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 18, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
If you want to attack Joe Brolly, attack away, there are no shortage of things to attack him with. But don't hide your profession from criticism by saying we help guys with depression so don't dare cast a critical eye over here where we are making money from clubs up and down the country with limited involvement and will be out the door at year end never to be seen or heard from again. And don't hold up the GPA as the guardians against suicide when their own social media used to post that if you weren't an affiliated member then not to contact them. And then to compound matters the article gives the number of the Samaritans, if the sports psychologists or the GPA were so interested in the nationwide issue of suicide then their numbers would be up there. It's a straw man argument, designed to pull at your heartstrings and keep the dollars rolling in while not offering any meaningful solution to the rampant problem whatsoever. A low blow.

Has she helped anyone who was at risk of suicide as part of her professional role? If so, then she isn't hiding behind anything. I assume Joe, as per usual, hasn't access to the full facts of the situation before making his assertions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 18, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
Facts ?? they are a thing which just freely emerge from Joe's ever active imagination.

Possibly Caroline strikes an emotional low blow but it goes with the territory when you offer a retort against Joe because he's already lying low in the gutter with his pseudo psychological mumbo jumbo and  personalised attacks.

Don't cry for Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 18, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
If you want to attack Joe Brolly, attack away, there are no shortage of things to attack him with. But don't hide your profession from criticism by saying we help guys with depression so don't dare cast a critical eye over here where we are making money from clubs up and down the country with limited involvement and will be out the door at year end never to be seen or heard from again. And don't hold up the GPA as the guardians against suicide when their own social media used to post that if you weren't an affiliated member then not to contact them. And then to compound matters the article gives the number of the Samaritans, if the sports psychologists or the GPA were so interested in the nationwide issue of suicide then their numbers would be up there. It's a straw man argument, designed to pull at your heartstrings and keep the dollars rolling in while not offering any meaningful solution to the rampant problem whatsoever. A low blow.

Has she helped anyone who was at risk of suicide as part of her professional role? If so, then she isn't hiding behind anything. I assume Joe, as per usual, hasn't access to the full facts of the situation before making his assertions.

The relevant section is below.

Quote"I don't know how many times I have got a call from a young man who wants to commit suicide and the only reason he has my number is because their team took me in as a sports psychologist. It's incredible and it's a horrible epidemic in our country. I would love for Joe Brolly to listen to some of these men and then he'd realise how important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs."

She adds: "These guys are dealing with depression, with suicide, with gambling addiction and alcoholism. It's so hard to get a psychologist through our medical sector. A young hurler rang me and he was told he had to wait five weeks to get an appointment and this guy was ready to commit suicide.

"Thank God he picked up a phone to me. I'm not a clinical psychologist, but at least I can listen and I can try my best through the GPA. Conor Cusack is doing unbelievable work in the GPA to try and help these men not commit suicide and just get them back on track."

She listened and tried her best through the GPA whatever that means. I don't know about you but I'd want someone who's actually trained in these matters to deal with them. I coach kids and the first thing we have to do if we become aware of any child protection issues is contact the club childrens officer who is trained to deal with the situation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
To be honest, the perfect response to Joe's criticism was just to ignore it like McNulty & Shannon did.
I'd say his eyes lit up when he saw that somebody representing the profession took the bait.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
To be honest, the perfect response to Joe's criticism was just to ignore it like McNulty & Shannon did.
I'd say his eyes lit up when he saw that somebody representing the profession took the bait.

There is that side of it too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 18, 2016, 02:05:44 PM
Joe is a media troll.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 18, 2016, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
To be honest, the perfect response to Joe's criticism was just to ignore it like McNulty & Shannon did.
I'd say his eyes lit up when he saw that somebody representing the profession took the bait.

There is that side of it too.

No he didn't!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on November 18, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 18, 2016, 02:05:44 PM
Joe is a media troll.

Actually, joe is the media personification of Fearon

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)

Of course they are not going to be qualified psychologists but they are trained to deal with situations when they arise, where to seek advice and how to identify if anyone is in need of help. A hell of a lot more helpful that someone who can listen and pull bits they half heard at a GPA shindig.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 18, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)

Of course they are not going to be qualified psychologists but they are trained to deal with situations when they arise, where to seek advice and how to identify if anyone is in need of help. A hell of a lot more helpful that someone who can listen and pull bits they half heard at a GPA shindig.

This is a genuine question, as I don't know, but are sports psychologists, not qualified psychologists?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
Some do a Diploma and may not be psychologists.

Others have a psychology degree and do an MSc in Sports Psychology.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dferg on November 18, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
Surely a part of a sports psychologists job is to find out if a player has any other issues that might be affecting them.  e.g.  If a player has blown their mortgage in the bookies the last thing on their mind is an upcoming football match.  If they have someone that they are comfortable talking to who can put them in contact with the right person that is going to help them with playing sport as well as in general life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 18, 2016, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
To be honest, the perfect response to Joe's criticism was just to ignore it like McNulty & Shannon did.
I'd say his eyes lit up when he saw that somebody representing the profession took the bait.

There is that side of it too.

No he didn't!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/struggling-players-better-off-listening-to-enda-mcnulty-than-joe-brolly-372799.html

Eh, is the date on that right?
Or did Joe say the exact same thing last Winter?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 18, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Has Brolly actually went banging on about this for over a year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: ck on November 18, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Has Brolly actually went banging on about this for over a year?

Yea, he really should see a Sports Psychologist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 18, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)

Of course they are not going to be qualified psychologists but they are trained to deal with situations when they arise, where to seek advice and how to identify if anyone is in need of help. A hell of a lot more helpful that someone who can listen and pull bits they half heard at a GPA shindig.
How many times has Joe inserted an account of all his good deeds, his greatness, his  Dickensian compassion with the trials and tribulations of the common man, emotional heart string tugging nonsense, all thrown into the middle of his petty sarky personalised attacks on sports people and sports professionals?   
Joe goes ape when a teeny bit of the same stuff is thrown his way?  Joe ain't got any testicles, he can throw the mud but he can't take it when a bit of the same is  thrown back his way. Instead of maturing, Joe is becoming more and more hypersensitive about criticism thrown his way, to the point of being obsessed, can't let it go, will spend the rest of life using his media profile to prove all those (an ever growing number of) people wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 19, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
Can anyone guess what Joe's going to write about tomorrow?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 19, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 19, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
Can anyone guess what Joe's going to write about tomorrow?

I predict he'll write about  Star's book launch last Friday night in Mugsy's bar in Cookstown which he attended. !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 19, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Bound to be lots of legends of the game in attendance to tell him he's dead right about everything.
'And then the Bomber says to me, "Joe", he says'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 19, 2016, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 19, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
Can anyone guess what Joe's going to write about tomorrow?

Yeah that's easy. His article is usually in the Gaelic Life each Thursday and then re hashed a bit for the Sunday.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nailer on December 06, 2016, 12:10:33 AM
Well Joe really hit the nail on the head in the Indo yesterday, a really good piece on the great work being done by the Slaughtneill club and community, they certainly are an outstanding club. He continued on with a piece about his visit to the Whitecross GAA function and the impact the murder by loyalists of the Reavey brothers had on the family and the involvement of the British crown forces in the murders.
He then took AOF and Jarlath Burns to task on their suggestion not to fly the Tricolour at games or play the National Anthem, certainly seems to have been the prompt for the president to come out yesterday afternoon and row back on his ill judged comments made in Dubai.
Joe certainly doesn't get it right all the time,(who does) but he was right on the money this time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on December 06, 2016, 12:21:42 AM
And was on RTE tonight representing CF sufferers in their quest to get the very expensive medication.

Yes he can wind people up and offend them but he does a lot of very good work with these campaigns.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 06, 2016, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: orangeman on December 06, 2016, 12:21:42 AM
And was on RTE tonight representing CF sufferers in their quest to get the very expensive medication.

Yes he can wind people up and offend them but he does a lot of very good work with these campaigns.

I agree, but it's not a zero sum game.
He can do loads of good work for charity and also not be a dick to other 'gaels' as he would call them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on December 06, 2016, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.

Not to restart All-Ireland thread again, but are his comments a tad hypocritical given his waving of the imaginary card after he was fouled by Lee Keegan.
Additionally, I wonder if he was asked about the pathetic PR job by his fellow county "clown" on RTE, made between the drawn game and the replay, what would his response be.

Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-dra/309735



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on December 06, 2016, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 06, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Here comes AZOffaly.....

?

Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, please refer to ad nauseum posts. The Black Card was voted on and planned BEFORE ............

I couldn't be bothered anymore. People are idiots.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 06, 2016, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 06, 2016, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 06, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Here comes AZOffaly.....

?

Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, please refer to ad nauseum posts. The Black Card was voted on and planned BEFORE ............

I couldn't be bothered anymore. People are idiots.

I vote to rename it the Trump Card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on December 07, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: joemamas on December 06, 2016, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.

Not to restart All-Ireland thread again, but are his comments a tad hypocritical given his waving of the imaginary card after he was fouled by Lee Keegan.
Additionally, I wonder if he was asked about the pathetic PR job by his fellow county "clown" on RTE, made between the drawn game and the replay, what would his response be.

Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-dra/309735

We all know Big Aido and Mayo introduced the imaginary card waving.

There was no black card recinded by the DRA when he engaged with the disciplinary process after being hauled down again by Keegan last year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gammysolo on December 07, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: joemamas on December 06, 2016, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.

Not to restart All-Ireland thread again, but are his comments a tad hypocritical given his waving of the imaginary card after he was fouled by Lee Keegan.
Additionally, I wonder if he was asked about the pathetic PR job by his fellow county "clown" on RTE, made between the drawn game and the replay, what would his response be.

Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-dra/309735

Was poor form by Connolly considering Leroy never appealed his red card for lashing out at Donnachadh Welsh against Kerry in 2014
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 07, 2016, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)

So Connolly's opinion carries more weight and is laden in fact simply because he is the best footballer in the country? Since when did Diarmuid Connolly become spokesperson for all gaels?

Like a lot of people I imagine, I have a conflicted view of Brolly. One minute you are left lauding him the next minute loathing him but he is never boring, I'd say that much.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Buttofthehill on December 07, 2016, 02:48:08 PM
I think Connolly has a point regarding the black card being used for (goal) scoring chances. I mean Keegan's foul this year was cynical - Connolly would have had a clear scoring chance but by the letter of the law maybe wasn't a black.

Take Cooper's. It was silly but cynical? Im not sure that type of foul warrants a black card but by the letter of the law it was the right call.

The trouble would be if a team was winning and started blatantly fouling 50 yards out (Mayo, 12, Dublin 13) How you legislate for that shite is the problem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 07, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Define a goal scoring chance?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2016, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 07, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Define a goal scoring chance?

If the forward swears he can see the whites of the keeper's eyes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on December 07, 2016, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 18, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)

Of course they are not going to be qualified psychologists but they are trained to deal with situations when they arise, where to seek advice and how to identify if anyone is in need of help. A hell of a lot more helpful that someone who can listen and pull bits they half heard at a GPA shindig.

This is a genuine question, as I don't know, but are sports psychologists, not qualified psychologists?


anyone can call themselves a 'psychologist' but 'sport  psychologist' is restricted by law as are more other specialized psychologists posts
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Buttofthehill on December 07, 2016, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 07, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Define a goal scoring chance?

Without going all soccer on it, you could use the last man back scenario and go from there. I would trust the refs to use their common sense, something which the black card presently doesn't allow. Yes it would be open to interpretation but we are going to have to trust the refs judgement one way or the other.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on December 07, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on December 07, 2016, 02:48:08 PM
The trouble would be if a team was winning and started blatantly fouling 50 yards out (Mayo, 12, Dublin 13) How you legislate for that shite is the problem.

Every "cynical" foul at midfield or within a team's own half of the field results in a 45.
Every "cynical" foul within the 45m and 20m lines results in a 20m free.
Every "cynical" foul within the 20m line results in a penalty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 07, 2016, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 07, 2016, 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 18, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 18, 2016, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I'd agree with Joe in principle in terms of the increasing regularity with which the incredibly serious issue of mental health seems to be used to shut down debate.
I have no doubt that Caroline has been contacted by players and has passed them on to the appropriate service, but I don't see what that has to do with sports psychology.
She's effectively saying players would commit suicide without sports psychologists.
If the team masseur was a good listener and the players would confide in him about mental health, that's great but I'm not sure that it validates the health benefits of message.
That's a hypothetical example, I love a good massage, but you see what I'm saying... hopefully.
That said, Joe's initial premise (which started all this) which conflated motivational speaking and self-help gurus with sports psychology was utter nonsense as well.

She doesn't say that though. She highlights the shortage of clinical psychologists and I would read it simply as saying that sports psychologists are finding that their role has taking on a deeper personal involvement, filling the void. She highlights Conor Cusack's role with the GPA as doing something similar. I see on Twitter Joe the hero thinks he knows more about suicide and counseling and highlights two of his clients committed suicide in the last 2 weeks. The man is repugnant.

She alludes to it, the quote again is :

Quotehow important it is for sports psychologists around this country going into these clubs

Now I doubt any professional sports psychologist is going to volunteer their time and services and make themselves available to "these clubs" when necessary. She is trying to push her profession and using suicide prevention to try to shame Brolly and anyone else into silence. A scurrilous act.

Instead of attacking her, maybe we should consider that she might have identified a serious problem? I am not saying that Sports Psychologists are the answer to it, but we must at least look at the issue.

The issue is being looked at I think muppet, clubs now have to appoint Health and Wellbeing Officers who are trained in the area.

Looking at the job description, it is a long way short of a qualified psychologist (be it sports or otherwise): http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf (http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HWO-Role-Description.pdf)

Of course they are not going to be qualified psychologists but they are trained to deal with situations when they arise, where to seek advice and how to identify if anyone is in need of help. A hell of a lot more helpful that someone who can listen and pull bits they half heard at a GPA shindig.

This is a genuine question, as I don't know, but are sports psychologists, not qualified psychologists?


anyone can call themselves a 'psychologist' but 'sport  psychologist' is restricted by law as are more other specialized psychologists posts
A sports psychologist "is one who has a doctoral degree in one of the primary areas of psychology and licensure as a psychologist. This proficiency should not be confused with those who have earned a doctoral degree in sport psychology, but are not licensed psychologists."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Fair play to Diarmuid Connolly for telling it like it is. It's seems to part of the RTE sport coverage to have at least one clown in the studio.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 07, 2016, 09:12:05 PM
He got the basic fact of his argument wrong ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 09, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2016, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)

So Connolly's opinion carries more weight and is laden in fact simply because he is the best footballer in the country? Since when did Diarmuid Connolly become spokesperson for all gaels?

Like a lot of people I imagine, I have a conflicted view of Brolly. One minute you are left lauding him the next minute loathing him but he is never boring, I'd say that much.

I have no conflicted view of Brolly, he is an arsehole.

I just liked that Connolly who is the best footballer in the country thinks Brolly is a clown. Whether Connolly is factually correct or not is incidental, he called out Brolly, I admire sports people currently still playing who actually give an opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on December 09, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
What the flying fûck is the Tyrone secretary on talking about banning pundits for saying things he doesn't like? Only in Tyrone.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264035

And Diarmuid feckin Connolly criticising discipline. Just lol.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2016, 11:29:51 AM
You just bet me to it on the Tyrone thing Syfín ;D
What will they do - ban them from all GAA activities or with old their All Ireland tickets?
I presume Internet posters will be next - you might get banned from McHale Park Syfín :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 09, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Fair play to Diarmuid Connolly for telling it like it is. It's seems to part of the RTE sport coverage to have at least one clown in the studio.
It actually is. Dunphy, George Hook (previous model) or Brolly plus 2 straight faces.
You can't have a situation where everyone agrees with each other
And it's a circus anyway. People want to be entertained.

Dunphy made a nice career out of talking shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 09, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
What the flying fûck is the Tyrone secretary on talking about banning pundits for saying things he doesn't like? Only in Tyrone.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264035

And Diarmuid feckin Connolly criticising discipline. Just lol.

At least he didn't specifically refer to the 'Free-State media'.
By Tyrone standards, that demonstrates admirable restraint and diplomacy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on December 09, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: heffo on December 07, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: joemamas on December 06, 2016, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html)
Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.

Not to restart All-Ireland thread again, but are his comments a tad hypocritical given his waving of the imaginary card after he was fouled by Lee Keegan.
Additionally, I wonder if he was asked about the pathetic PR job by his fellow county "clown" on RTE, made between the drawn game and the replay, what would his response be.

Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-dra/309735

We all know Big Aido and Mayo introduced the imaginary card waving.

There was no black card rescinded by the DRA when he engaged with the disciplinary process after being hauled down again by Keegan last year.

Of course he was. As ever poor Diarmuid was "targeted". Sure Keegan was headbutting his fist.
I find it amazing. With all the footage of Connolly's indiscretions over the years and a severe lack of anything even similar from Keegan we still get this mantra about Saint Diarmuid only trying to express himself. Its getting tiresome at this stage. But sure when you have John Costello talking about imaginary incidents that not even Connolly remembers and a long line of ex Dublin hero's lining up to tell us about Keegan it's hard for the likes of Heffo to actualyl see whats really going on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
What the flying fûck is the Tyrone secretary on talking about banning pundits for saying things he doesn't like? Only in Tyrone.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264035

And Diarmuid feckin Connolly criticising discipline. Just lol.

At least he didn't specifically refer to the 'Free-State media'.
By Tyrone standards, that demonstrates admirable restraint and diplomacy.

:D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 09, 2016, 12:53:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 09, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
What the flying fûck is the Tyrone secretary on talking about banning pundits for saying things he doesn't like? Only in Tyrone.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264035

And Diarmuid feckin Connolly criticising discipline. Just lol.

At least he didn't specifically refer to the 'Free-State media'.
By Tyrone standards, that demonstrates admirable restraint and diplomacy.

:D ;D

was that not last year's report?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 09, 2016, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
What the flying fûck is the Tyrone secretary on talking about banning pundits for saying things he doesn't like? Only in Tyrone.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264035

And Diarmuid feckin Connolly criticising discipline. Just lol.

Feckin right too - ban the lot of them!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on December 09, 2016, 04:50:31 PM
Love this time of year... Fair play co-sec! layer it into the hoors!! :) that's what that end of year platform is all for.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 09, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Fair play to Diarmuid Connolly for telling it like it is. It's seems to part of the RTE sport coverage to have at least one clown in the studio.
. "Just because Sean Cavanagh pulled a guy down and some clown in an RTÉ studio decides to throw the toys out of the pram and make it more than it was."

a guy ??    that was the day he killed Bambi.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 10, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
The only way RTE will give Ulster a fair crack of the whip is when everyone in Ulster pays them their TV licence fee. With 7 of the 9 Counties not paying towards the running of RTE it's easy to have a go at them. Until then it's open for ridicule. There is no way Dublin are going to get the same raw deal. And when it comes to GAA programming Cork, Kerry, Mayo etc will get more favorable coverage than the leechers in the north.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 10, 2016, 08:51:09 AM
I presume the SEVENTH County us Cavan? ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 10, 2016, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 10, 2016, 08:51:09 AM
I presume the SEVENTH County us Cavan? ;D

Yes, Cavan is included respectively.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on December 10, 2016, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 10, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
The only way RTE will give Ulster a fair crack of the whip is when everyone in Ulster pays them their TV licence fee. With 7 of the 9 Counties not paying towards the running of RTE it's easy to have a go at them. Until then it's open for ridicule. There is no way Dublin are going to get the same raw deal. And when it comes to GAA programming Cork, Kerry, Mayo etc will get more favorable coverage than the leechers in the north.

This is unmistakable sound of a WUM trying too hard
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 10, 2016, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 10, 2016, 10:07:39 AM

This is unmistakable sound of a WUM trying too hard

You are mistaking Wobbbler.
This is the Joe Brolly thread. WUMs are only pretenders here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on December 10, 2016, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Fair play to Diarmuid Connolly for telling it like it is. It's seems to part of the RTE sport coverage to have at least one clown in the studio.
. "Just because Sean Cavanagh pulled a guy down and some clown in an RTÉ studio decides to throw the toys out of the pram and make it more than it was."

a guy ??    that was the day he killed Bambi.

And God only knows what he did to little Red Riding Hood
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on December 10, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 10, 2016, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Fair play to Diarmuid Connolly for telling it like it is. It's seems to part of the RTE sport coverage to have at least one clown in the studio.
. "Just because Sean Cavanagh pulled a guy down and some clown in an RTÉ studio decides to throw the toys out of the pram and make it more than it was."

a guy ??    that was the day he killed Bambi.

And God only knows what he did to little Red Riding Hood

He's talking about Cavanagh, not McCarron..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 11:24:35 AM
The Indo sees Joe's articles on a Sunday as such an attraction that it had not been publishing them until 5pm.  Today they have teased the article by giving the first few paragraphs of his usual drivel but are allowing immediate access if you register and logon to the site.  Can't imagine a sudden rush to join the site.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on December 11, 2016, 05:06:19 PM
Tommy Conlon went to town on wee Joe in the Sindo today.... :o

See below courtesy of Take Your Points.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 05:08:58 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/tommy-conlon-joe-abu-hamza-albrolly-clings-to-vicious-past-as-world-tries-to-move-on-35283989.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/tommy-conlon-joe-abu-hamza-albrolly-clings-to-vicious-past-as-world-tries-to-move-on-35283989.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on December 11, 2016, 05:11:17 PM
GRMA TYP :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 11, 2016, 05:49:45 PM
Disgusting article. Who da fuc is Tommy Conlon when he's at home anyway?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks like Jarlath either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks like Jarlath either.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks.  Too many are just sheep following the so called traditional route.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:32:09 PM
Thats fair enough. Fair comment. But i lived the troubles like everyone else. I was appalled by brollys one sided, selective memory, ira rhetoric.  Well done Tommy, for pointing out what a bitter twisted little man joe is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 11, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
His comments about Kevin Lynch were disgusting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks like Jarlath either.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks.  Too many are just sheep following the so called traditional route.

And some do think, they weigh it up and they feel the "traditional route" is the one which has some principle on its side.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks like Jarlath either.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks.  Too many are just sheep following the so called traditional route.

And some do think, they weigh it up and they feel the "traditional route" is the one which has some principle on its side.

And what a country and legacy they and their 'principle' have left for us and our children.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 11, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Great article that by tommy conlon. Fair play tommy.
Not everyone is the six counties thinks like joe. Id back jarlath burns over joe every feckin day of the week.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks like Jarlath either.

Not everyone in the six counties thinks.  Too many are just sheep following the so called traditional route.

And some do think, they weigh it up and they feel the "traditional route" is the one which has some principle on its side.

And what a country and legacy they and their 'principle' have left for us and our children.

Maybe because most of their country abandoned their principles after they got their own bit of freedom.........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/joe-brollys-pride-in-inla-hunger-striker-kevin-lynch-will-make-it-hard-for-unionists-to-work-with-him-29678508.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/joe-brollys-pride-in-inla-hunger-striker-kevin-lynch-will-make-it-hard-for-unionists-to-work-with-him-29678508.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 11, 2016, 07:06:56 PM
Sweet Jesus, that Conlon article is unbelievable given the fact that he is attacking a journalist who writes in the same paper. This will no doubt get interesting, you would nearly think the Indo had set up Conlon to create a journalistic war between the two as I doubt very much if we've heard the end of this now.

What county is Conlon from?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on December 11, 2016, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/joe-brollys-pride-in-inla-hunger-striker-kevin-lynch-will-make-it-hard-for-unionists-to-work-with-him-29678508.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/joe-brollys-pride-in-inla-hunger-striker-kevin-lynch-will-make-it-hard-for-unionists-to-work-with-him-29678508.html)

Fcuk you Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 11, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 11, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
His comments about Kevin Lynch were disgusting.

I think elements of the following paragraph are a bit unnecessarily inflammatory alright. More like something Ian O'Doherty would write replete with wee dig at the hunger strikers.

QuoteKevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland and, after that, a bit of dying for Ireland. He didn't join the IRA, on the grounds presumably that they were a bit slack in the depravity department. Instead he joined the INLA, which happily had an even more bestial disposition. Lynch died by suicide in 1981. He hadn't eaten any grub in Long Kesh for a few months.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 11, 2016, 07:48:12 PM
That will go down well with the Independent bosses and demographic alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 11, 2016, 08:05:36 PM
This is some story, how much of it is true?

...This author recalls a chilling encounter with three top INLA members from what was known in 1987 as the 'GHQ faction' of the movement.

The trio had survived the 1987 feud, which had been prompted, in part, by the kidnapping, torture, murder and secret burial of Seamus Ruddy in Paris as the GHQ group tried to seize control of INLA's gun-running operations from Europe.

They fought a bitter power-struggle with their rivals in the so-called 'Army Council' faction, which was later to morph into the IPLO. The survivors from the GHQ group who kept on the INLA name included Hugh 'Cueball' Torney, Gino Gallagher and John Fennell – the trio who met this author in the spring of 1994.

They wanted to tell their side of the organisation's history. They feared that many of Jack Holland and this writer's sources came from the opposing faction.

Yet within a couple of years all three men were dead – slain not by their hated Ulster loyalist enemies, or the British state, but rather by each other

Torney had Gallagher shot dead in a Falls Road dole office fearing he was about to be deposed as INLA leader for unilaterally calling a ceasefire from a Dublin courthouse after being caught with weapons in the Republic. The faction that supported Gallagher's attempted putsch then carried out one of the most gruesome killings of the 1990s.

They tracked John Fennell down to a caravan park in Bundoran and battered him to death using breeze-blocks.

Finally, Torney himself was cornered in Lurgan and shot dead just days after his second-in-command, Dessie McCleary had been gunned down in front of young children enjoying a post-Holy Communion meal inside a Belfast pizza parlour.

In between these fratricidal slayings, the anti-Torney group managed to shoot dead nine-year-old Barbara McAlorum in a gun attack on her Belfast home...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 11, 2016, 08:38:06 PM
The author is a respected journalist rather than a columnist for a Sunday paper though his background will bring him nothing but vilification from some quarters on this Board. https://www.theguardian.com/profile/henrymcdonald (https://www.theguardian.com/profile/henrymcdonald)


From WIKI:
Henry McDonald is a writer and Ireland correspondent for The Guardian and Observer.

McDonald has written extensively about the Troubles and related issues. He was born in the Irish nationalist Markets area of Belfast and attended St. Malachy's College. McDonald was formerly involved in Sinn Féin the Workers Party, a left-wing Irish republican party that emerged from Sinn Féin in the early 1970s and was associated with the Official IRA. He travelled to the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) with the youth wing of SFWP around 1980. Much of his writing concerns paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland, like the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and Irish National Liberation Army (INLA). He has written a book on the INLA, INLA - Deadly Divisions, which he co-authored with the now deceased Jack Holland. The book was first published in 1994 and has since been re-printed.

More recently, McDonald has written on Ulster loyalist paramilitary groups and has co-authored books on the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) and UDA with Jim Cusack. He also wrote a biography of Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) leader David Trimble. He was, for a period, a security correspondent for the BBC in Belfast. During the 1990s he was a staff reporter at Belfast newspaper The Irish News, where he edited the youth pages.

McDonald is a supporter of Cliftonville and Everton.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 11, 2016, 09:07:55 PM
The Indo is very FF. A friend of the auld fella was a FF councillor and he used to go on long rants about the IRA Vs the Gardaí.  Nothing more despicable than that. Even Thatcher would get a free pass. That is also the Indo mentality.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 11, 2016, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2016, 07:06:56 PM
Sweet Jesus, that Conlon article is unbelievable given the fact that he is attacking a journalist who writes in the same paper. This will no doubt get interesting, you would nearly think the Indo had set up Conlon to create a journalistic war between the two as I doubt very much if we've heard the end of this now.

What county is Conlon from?
The article is quite believable as a typical Tommy Conlon article. He's a purveyor of a string of articles centered around his attention seeking trash opinions.
Joe is Aristotle compared to Tommy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 11, 2016, 10:23:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 11, 2016, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 11, 2016, 07:06:56 PM
Sweet Jesus, that Conlon article is unbelievable given the fact that he is attacking a journalist who writes in the same paper. This will no doubt get interesting, you would nearly think the Indo had set up Conlon to create a journalistic war between the two as I doubt very much if we've heard the end of this now.

What county is Conlon from?
The article is quite believable as a typical Tommy Conlon article. He's a purveyor of a string of articles centered around his attention seeking trash opinions.
Joe is Aristotle compared to Tommy.

Aristotle didn't Plato the crowd as much as Brolly.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 11, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Horrendous article
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 11, 2016, 11:17:16 PM
It's more befitting of a column you would read in the sun but should make for more interesting debate in the week ahead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 11, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 11, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
His comments about Kevin Lynch were disgusting.

I think elements of the following paragraph are a bit unnecessarily inflammatory alright. More like something Ian O'Doherty would write replete with wee dig at the hunger strikers.

QuoteKevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland and, after that, a bit of dying for Ireland. He didn't join the IRA, on the grounds presumably that they were a bit slack in the depravity department. Instead he joined the INLA, which happily had an even more bestial disposition. Lynch died by suicide in 1981. He hadn't eaten any grub in Long Kesh for a few months.

And that's being kind to Tommy "I'm a gas lad" Conlon GBB.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
I have no doubt that this has more to do with sticking it to the Shinners, than going after Joe himself.
This is the Sindo remember.
Not that I have any real problem with people sticking it to the Shinners.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
I have no doubt that this has more to do with sticking it to the Shinners, than going after Joe himself.
This is the Sindo remember.
Not that I have any real problem with people sticking it to the Shinners.

I have a huge problem with people sticking it to the Shinners. Insofar as the motive of sticking it to the Shinners is to cover up a news story that FG/FF want to bury. Have you heard the name Jonathan Sugarman in the traditional media much since his appearance on Vincent Browne last Monday?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 12, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
I have no doubt that this has more to do with sticking it to the Shinners, than going after Joe himself.
This is the Sindo remember.
Not that I have any real problem with people sticking it to the Shinners.

I have a huge problem with people sticking it to the Shinners. Insofar as the motive of sticking it to the Shinners is to cover up a news story that FG/FF want to bury. Have you heard the name Jonathan Sugarman in the traditional media much since his appearance on Vincent Browne last Monday?

Croi he has been on the go for nearly a decade. It is certainly a story, but not news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on December 12, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
It's very simple.  One attention seeking writer uses ridiculous, offensive  extremes to illustrate his point, and then gets answered by another attention seeker who uses ridiculous, offensive extremes to illustrate his answer.  Both are actually perfect examples of where media in Ireland is today.  It's like when a bunch of loyalist thugs decide to burn a GAA hall, so a bunch of republican thugs burn an orange hall which is responded to by the loyalists burning another hall etc etc... Meanwhile the gaels and the brethren are looking on bewildered and bereft and totally help
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
I have no doubt that this has more to do with sticking it to the Shinners, than going after Joe himself.
This is the Sindo remember.
Not that I have any real problem with people sticking it to the Shinners.

I have a huge problem with people sticking it to the Shinners. Insofar as the motive of sticking it to the Shinners is to cover up a news story that FG/FF want to bury. Have you heard the name Jonathan Sugarman in the traditional media much since his appearance on Vincent Browne last Monday?

Croi he has been on the go for nearly a decade. It is certainly a story, but not news.

Spot on muppet. It's taken near 10 years to get his story into the mainstream media and then along comes a populist Shinner bashing story, prompted by INM no less, that will fizzle out and go nowhere like all the others have. Meanwhile the story that has been affecting all our lives for the past 10 years and will be affecting ours and our children's lives for the next how many years are left to repay the promissory notes. He didn't even get invited to the banking inquiry ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:55:06 AM
Was it not Adams himself who brought the killing of Brian Stack up in the Dáil at the start of December?
This then led Austin Stack to dispute his version of events.
Are the media supposed to ignore this?
It never ceases to amaze me how some people are so willing to give SF a pass for pretty much everything, whilst demanding that heads roll over the economic crash.
It's possible to hold everyone to account.
Whatever about being involved in a struggle against the occupation of the six counties, the IRA committed countless murders, robberies etc. in the Republic of Ireland during that time.
If a criminal gang in Mountjoy ordered the murder of a prison officer for simply doing his job, there would be national uproar.
I'm well aware of Sugarman's story, and have been for some time.
I fail to see how this connects with the murder of Brian Stack.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 12, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
I fail to see what all that has to do with the trash article by a populist trash journalist attacking 'our Joe'?
Perhaps there are parallels with this hysterical journalist trash and the typical hysterical trash that is thrown Sinn Fein's way?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 11:30:36 AM
I would agree that the Sindo go out of their way to do it time and again, which is why I made the connection in the first place.
I'm not a big fan of the 'Don't hit me while I'm holding the peace process' approach either though.
A prison officer with a young family was shot in the neck, left paralysed & brain damaged, and eventually died, just because he wasn't letting the IRA have it all their own way in Portlaoise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on December 12, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
Have they pulled that Tommy Conlon article or what from the website? I see Balls.ie mentioning it  just
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/tommy-conlon/354262
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 11:51:33 AM
Potential libel?
Joe has been quick to act on stuff like this before (when he was referred to as an 'IRA/INLA cheerleader').

https://eamondelaney.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/apology-to-mr-joe-brolly/ (https://eamondelaney.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/apology-to-mr-joe-brolly/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:55:06 AM
Was it not Adams himself who brought the killing of Brian Stack up in the Dáil at the start of December?
This then led Austin Stack to dispute his version of events.
Are the media supposed to ignore this?
It never ceases to amaze me how some people are so willing to give SF a pass for pretty much everything, whilst demanding that heads roll over the economic crash.
It's possible to hold everyone to account.
Whatever about being involved in a struggle against the occupation of the six counties, the IRA committed countless murders, robberies etc. in the Republic of Ireland during that time.
If a criminal gang in Mountjoy ordered the murder of a prison officer for simply doing his job, there would be national uproar.
I'm well aware of Sugarman's story, and have been for some time.
I fail to see how this connects with the murder of Brian Stack.
How much reporting have we heard on Brian Stack in the last week?
How much reporting have we heard on Jonathan Sugarman in the last week?
And why is that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 12, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
I have no doubt that this has more to do with sticking it to the Shinners, than going after Joe himself.
This is the Sindo remember.
Not that I have any real problem with people sticking it to the Shinners.

I have a huge problem with people sticking it to the Shinners. Insofar as the motive of sticking it to the Shinners is to cover up a news story that FG/FF want to bury. Have you heard the name Jonathan Sugarman in the traditional media much since his appearance on Vincent Browne last Monday?

Croi he has been on the go for nearly a decade. It is certainly a story, but not news.

Spot on muppet. It's taken near 10 years to get his story into the mainstream media and then along comes a populist Shinner bashing story, prompted by INM no less, that will fizzle out and go nowhere like all the others have. Meanwhile the story that has been affecting all our lives for the past 10 years and will be affecting ours and our children's lives for the next how many years are left to repay the promissory notes. He didn't even get invited to the banking inquiry ffs.

Thought the same myself with the timing of the Adams story. It was a complete smokescreen to prevent the Sugarman story from going anywhere. The old brigade of Shinner leaders have that many skeletons in the closet that they can be conveniently wheeled out at any moment to cover up the multitude of white collar crime perpetuated by those in authority. Large parts of the media are complicit in all of this and it pays to have friends in high places as a form of protection. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 12, 2016, 12:24:45 PM
The article appears to have been pulled down alright. The longer that Brolly does not respond to the article then the more likely it is that some form of legal action has been directed at Conlon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:28:45 PM
Going by his Twitter, Joe is in Boston living it up with Bernie Flynn.
It was brought to his attention by one of his followers though.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/808031429380739072 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/808031429380739072)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 12, 2016, 12:36:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.
It isn't the appropriate forum to discuss it, but you couldn't resist to start it  and somehow connect the attack on "our Joe" to a political event and not just content with making that connection you go on expanding upon your strident opinions about that external political event.  You have no restraint Jinxy.
And not content with that discharge, you can't resist going on and and on about it, you feel you have to justify your high horse moral stance by selectively repeating a combination of nonsense to explain your selective subjective interpretation of an external  political  event, which others see as a blatant political propaganda event.
But hey, let's not diverse, that's the last we will write about it, we'll say no more about it,
respect and all that  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.

Of course it's newsworthy, but its not deserving of the wall to wall coverage it's got while the issue that has defined our generation and probably the next is f**king buried after taking near 10 years to make its way into the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 12, 2016, 12:36:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.
It isn't the appropriate forum to discuss it, but you couldn't resist to start it  and somehow connect the attack on "our Joe" to a political event and not just content with making that connection you go on expanding upon your strident opinions about that external political event.  You have no restraint Jinxy.
And not content with that discharge, you can't resist going on and and on about it, you feel you have to justify your high horse moral stance by selectively repeating a combination of nonsense to explain your selective subjective interpretation of an external  political  event, which others see as a blatant political propaganda event.
But hey, let's not diverse, that's the last we will write about it, we'll say no more about it,
respect and all that  ;D

Again, does anyone have any panadol?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on December 12, 2016, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.

Of course it's newsworthy, but its not deserving of the wall to wall coverage it's got while the issue that has defined our generation and probably the next is f**king buried after taking near 10 years to make its way into the mainstream media.
Do you honestly believe the Sugarman story would have got more media coverage had the Stack story only come to light in a month's time?

You are giving FF / FG a ridiculous amount of credit if you think this is something they were sitting on and awaiting a right time to release!

I will say the business / finance media in the mainstream papers are largely incompetent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 12, 2016, 01:04:58 PM
Why is the Stack thing in the news? Didn't Grizzly meet the sons in 2013?
I thought the GFA moved on from all the dead. It's a massive Pandora Box  .
Everyone knows the Shinners have a murky past.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 12, 2016, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 12:15:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, somewhat.
The last thing I'll say is that Adams brought it up in the Dail himself on December 7th when he said he had emailed the names of 4 people to the Garda Commissioner, and those names had been given to him by Austin Stack.
Austin Stack disputes this, and said he never gave any names to Adams, which means one of them is lying.
He also stated the last time he and his brother met with Adams was November 2013, but Adams said he sent the names to the Garda Commissioner in an email on 22nd February 2016 'in the immediate aftermath' of a meeting with him and his brother.
That's newsworthy to me.
Now, this isn't really the appropriate forum to continue this discussion, but I know where you stand, and I think you know where I stand so lets leave it at that.
Conlon's article was nonsense in the context of Brolly's response to the flag/anthem issue, and I feel this isn't the last we've heard of it.

Of course it's newsworthy, but its not deserving of the wall to wall coverage it's got while the issue that has defined our generation and probably the next is f**king buried after taking near 10 years to make its way into the mainstream media.
Do you honestly believe the Sugarman story would have got more media coverage had the Stack story only come to light in a month's time?

You are giving FF / FG a ridiculous amount of credit if you think this is something they were sitting on and awaiting a right time to release!

I will say the business / finance media in the mainstream papers are largely incompetent.

Good question. The media have purposely ignored this story for the guts of 10 years so why would they start to cover it now! The only reason VinB interviewed him is because he launched an ebook about the affair. And the only reason rte had a brief interview with him on drivetime was word was out that VinB was interviewing him. Since then nothing. Stack is a very handy emotive issue that has taken the spotlight away and that itself will fade into the background again shortly. Worth stating that Austin Stack has very strong FF connections.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 12, 2016, 02:59:32 PM
Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

(http://ireland-calling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ye-cant-do-that-lads.jpg)

A nice little catch 22 there, isn't it?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
Indeed muppet. So we can have light touch regulation with the banks but when it comes to the independent (everyone, not just INM) media we can ensure no real investigative journalism goes on there at all! How does that work?

Didn't see much discussion on The Atlantic, which was broadcast last week either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 12, 2016, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
Indeed muppet. So we can have light touch regulation with the banks but when it comes to the independent (everyone, not just INM) media we can ensure no real investigative journalism goes on there at all! How does that work?

Didn't see much discussion on The Atlantic, which was broadcast last week either.

Light touch regulation and no real investigative journalism compliment each other nicely, don't you think?

Banking isn't the only light touch regulation industry either.

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience))

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/) Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 12, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
Indeed muppet. So we can have light touch regulation with the banks but when it comes to the independent (everyone, not just INM) media we can ensure no real investigative journalism goes on there at all! How does that work?

Didn't see much discussion on The Atlantic, which was broadcast last week either.

Light touch regulation and no real investigative journalism compliment each other nicely, don't you think?

Banking isn't the only light touch regulation industry either.

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience))

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/) Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

Absolutely. We have a fair idea how the light touch regulation directives filter down from government and we can see how a shit storm like the Brian Stack case can be fanned to bury more significant news but how do they manage to quell these stories time after time after time? I remember Brian Lenihan Junior picking up the phone to Joe Duffy back in the bank run days to tell him to stop fanning the flames but it's the back channels I'd be interested in hearing about. If only we encouraged and rewarded whistle-blowers in this country...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
So anyway, Tommy Conlon has deleted all references to the article from his Twitter profile.
Even the balls.ie piece about the article is gone!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EastTyrone on December 12, 2016, 10:53:13 PM
Managed to copy and paste this.


Joe Brolly
One day the GAA president is talking about a hypothetical future in which the tricolour and national anthem might be stood down as conspicuous symbols of the association.

The next day Joe Brolly is talking about a vicious past and citing it as good reason for proudly retaining the same rag and dirge.
His piece in last week's Sunday Independent was a tour de force of historical prejudice, tribal tub-thumping and emotional blackmail. His former Belfast neighbour, the late Rev Ian Paisley, would surely have been proud.

Aogán Ó Fearghail had merely floated a notional prospect that in some sort of distant "agreed Ireland", the GAA would be "open-minded about things like flags and emblems". Of necessity, his thinking on the matter was entirely speculative. It was interlaced with all sorts of caveats and qualifications.

Yet it was a red rag, a Danish cartoon to Abu Hamza al-Brolly. He spent the day slapping his head with both hands and whacking a picture of Ó Fearghail with his shoe. Later that evening he was spotted on top of the Sperrin mountains chanting "Padraig Pearse Akbar! Padraig Pearse Akbar!"

Then he calmed down and the self-pity flowed out in torrents. Somehow from the president's gentle comments, the Dungiven Wahhabi made a psychic leap back to the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers.

Sez you, what has that got to do with the GAA and the flag and anthem? Well you might ask. But seeing as he dragged the debate back into that rancid swamp, it would be remiss not to acknowledge another few terrible spectres from that barbaric time and place.

Ten Protestant workmen were subsequently murdered by the IRA at Kingsmills in South Armagh. They were taken out of their van and mowed down by machine guns where they stood. This atrocity happened within 24 hours of the murder of the Reavey brothers. Joe somehow forgot to mention it.

In July 1972 our heroes planted bombs outside three Protestant businesses in the village of Claudy, then fled to Dungiven, 10 miles away. A mere nine people were murdered on this occasion: four Catholics, five Protestants, including Kathryn Eakin, aged eight. Joe's buddy, Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, was deputy leader of the IRA in Derry at the time.

Kevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland and, after that, a bit of dying for Ireland. He didn't join the IRA, on the grounds presumably that they were a bit slack in the depravity department. Instead he joined the INLA, which happily had an even more bestial disposition. Lynch died by suicide in 1981. He hadn't eaten any grub in Long Kesh for a few months.

Dungiven GAA subsequently named their hurling club after him. Abu Hamza al-Brolly thinks it's a great idea altogether to name his hurling club after a chap who had no problem with the killing of men, women and children. Sure he was one of our own, after all, and a "good Gael" to boot.

Croke Park should have stepped in long ago and banned this practice.

What's to stop a club from naming itself after Dominic McGlinchey, the psychopath from south Derry who founded the INLA and boasted of his involvement in 30 murders? Maybe Brolly's football club could be re-named the Dungiven Mad Dogs, in fond memory of McGlinchey. Or maybe he was a soccer man, in which case it would be unthinkable.

Unfortunately the GAA at national level was too deferential for too long when it came to Ulster nationalism during the Troubles. Admittedly the Association was placed in an almost impossible position during that era.

These were the years when it didn't know whether it was primarily a sporting or cultural organisation. It claimed to be both. But its cultural identity was the anchor that pulled it down into the morass of atavistic conflict. It never set solid boundaries. It allowed itself to be hijacked by forces that cared little for the GAA's wider mission in Irish society. Like any sports body it should have been all-inclusive: non-tribal, non-sectarian, non-political.

A prime example was Rule 21, the law which prohibited Northern Ireland and British security forces from joining the Association. Rule 21 made bigots of the entire GAA membership. But time and again the Association's leaders deferred to the Ulster hardliners. They abdicated their responsibility to the organisation nationwide. The tail wagged the dog.

Nowadays the GAA is a lot clearer about its remit. It is a sporting organisation doing magnificent service for the community. But it will take generations to shake off its tribal baggage.

Ó Fearghail's comments should be seen as the beginning of that journey. Or maybe it began with Jarlath Burns' civil and decent intervention last year. The former Armagh captain is a GAA man to his core. He grew up in the tradition – all "the sacramentals" of flag and anthem and culture.

"It wouldn't cost me a thought," said Burns, when asked if he would contemplate getting rid of the old emblems. "They are divisive. All they say is, this is me, this is what I am. It's not about reaching out to anybody else. People are more important than flags and anthems and all those things."

You would think that this much, at least, should be obvious, after all the damage done. But no: we'll damn well cling to the rag and dirge, even if it kills us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 13, 2016, 08:26:22 AM
Unreal
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 02:59:32 PM
Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

Personally, I think its wrong to blame McCreevy and Harney for that. Yes, we did not have heavy red-tape regulation. But our light touch regulation absolutely did not mean "Don't Touch". That was a case of the regulators being under the thumb of the bankers. There is not a hope that McCreevy or Harney would have agreed that a Regulator should ignore the lighter rules that were in place.   

Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 04:19:16 PM

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience))

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/) Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

What do you think is wrong with this?
Aircraft leasing sector is a very successful niche for the country. Employs over 1,000 people (and very well paid!). Our tax regime is good, but absolutely nothing "hairy" about it or anything that the EU or OECD have ever complained about. Irish companies get capital allowances based only on genuine expenditure incurred on the cost of the aircraft, and pay tax on their profits at 12.5%.
Like any good venture, success breeds success. We've become known to have the expertise in this country for aircarft leasing, so more and more keep coming.
Not sure what anyone would have to moan about that? 

Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on December 13, 2016, 09:03:03 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 02:59:32 PM
Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

Personally, I think its wrong to blame McCreevy and Harney for that. Yes, we did not have heavy red-tape regulation. But our light touch regulation absolutely did not mean "Don't Touch". That was a case of the regulators being under the thumb of the bankers. There is not a hope that McCreevy or Harney would have agreed that a Regulator should ignore the lighter rules that were in place.   

Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 04:19:16 PM

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience))

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/) Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

What do you think is wrong with this?
Aircraft leasing sector is a very successful niche for the country. Employs over 1,000 people (and very well paid!). Our tax regime is good, but absolutely nothing "hairy" about it or anything that the EU or OECD have ever complained about. Irish companies get capital allowances based only on genuine expenditure incurred on the cost of the aircraft, and pay tax on their profits at 12.5%.
Like any good venture, success breeds success. We've become known to have the expertise in this country for aircarft leasing, so more and more keep coming.
Not sure what anyone would have to moan about that? 

Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

I know Brolly brought up the Reavy murders but there was no need for that. From either man. The paragraph about Kevin Lynch was the worst part of it though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on December 13, 2016, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 13, 2016, 09:03:03 AM
I know Brolly brought up the Reavy murders but there was no need for that. From either man. The paragraph about Kevin Lynch was the worst part of it though.
The Lynch paragraph completely deflected from / wrecked the point he was trying to make. And it seems that Brolly was very  quick to jump on that, hence the removal 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2016, 09:23:29 AM
Seems Joe can giveth but can't taketh. Precious Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
In fairness Dinny, that article is horrendous. Never mind all the attacks on Brolly, calling our country's flag a 'rag' is OTT.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on December 13, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
I get the impression he tried to write the article with a crude humor but he really just comes of as an irreverent dick.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
In fairness Dinny, that article is horrendous. Never mind all the attacks on Brolly, calling our country's flag a 'rag' is OTT.

I don't disagree. I just see the irony as our narcissistic friend is the epitome of OTT. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 13, 2016, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2016, 09:23:29 AM
Seems Joe can giveth but can't taketh. Precious Joe!

Has Joe even made a comment on the article??

There's plenty in Conlon's article that would get a lot of people wound up "the rag and dirge" in reference to the Irish Flag and National Anthem I'm sure wouldn't go down well with most!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EastTyrone on December 13, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on December 13, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.


excellent post
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 13, 2016, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 13, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.


excellent post

Well said. The article was disgusting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) and I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 13, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article. (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.

Anyone got a link to Conlon's article?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2016, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 13, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article. (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.

Anyone got a link to Conlon's article?

Lazy fecker

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19930.msg1652089#msg1652089 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19930.msg1652089#msg1652089)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 13, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2016, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 13, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article. (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.

Anyone got a link to Conlon's article?

Lazy fecker

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19930.msg1652089#msg1652089 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19930.msg1652089#msg1652089)

;D ;D ;D Cheers Dinny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on December 13, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
Disgrace of an article. Dunno why anybody reads the Indo though, it's a rag
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on December 13, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
O Fheargail is some clown TBH . The Sindo did what it does.  Brolly gave the northern perspective .  When is his term over ???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on December 13, 2016, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 13, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
Disgrace of an article. Dunno why anybody reads the Indo though, it's a rag

Or uses it to express opinions or as a vehicle for self promotion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 13, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
O Fheargail is some clown TBH . The Sindo did what it does.  Brolly gave the northern perspective .  When is his term over ???
O Fearghail made a vague point about a possible future scenario.
Media put their own spin on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 13, 2016, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 13, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
O Fheargail is some clown TBH . The Sindo did what it does.  Brolly gave the northern perspective .  When is his term over ???
O Fearghail made a vague point about a possible future scenario.
Media put their own spin on it.

O Fearghaill messed up and tried to climb down after the damage was done when he saw his views went down like a lead balloon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
He didn't "mess up".
He answered a hypothetical question honestly and reasonably.
Media ran with big headlines about the GAA President will ditch flag and anthem.
Then of course various people got wound up about things......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on December 13, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
He didn't "mess up".
He answered a hypothetical question honestly and reasonably.
Media ran with big headlines about the GAA President will ditch flag and anthem.
Then of course various people got wound up about things......

Mostly fleg waving people from the six counties..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
Its easy to get annoyed by Brolly, he would sicken your sh1te sometimes. But...
Why do some people feel the need to try appease everyone in this country. The Super Bowl, World Series etc all have the Star Spangled Banner belted out before they start. The Aussie Rules Grand Final has the anthem before it. God Save The Queen gets a rattle before the FA Cup and no one thinks it is wrong. Is Irelands Call necessary ? I don't think it is.
Worldwide before major sporting events the national anthem of the country is played and creates a great atmosphere.
I agree with Joe on this one
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 13, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
He didn't "mess up".
He answered a hypothetical question honestly and reasonably.
Media ran with big headlines about the GAA President will ditch flag and anthem.
Then of course various people got wound up about things......

Mostly fleg waving people from the six counties..
A few in Cork and Donegal too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 13, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
He didn't "mess up".
He answered a hypothetical question honestly and reasonably.
Media ran with big headlines about the GAA President will ditch flag and anthem.
Then of course various people got wound up about things......

Mostly fleg waving people from the six counties..
A few in Cork and Donegal too.
Did anyone from Roscommon get annoyed with the President's views ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
Not formally with motions and the like.
Anyone that was mellowed when the facts were presented.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Hard to beat civilised rational Rossies
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Hard to beat civilised rational Rossies
Excellent post  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 13, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 02:59:32 PM
Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

Personally, I think its wrong to blame McCreevy and Harney for that. Yes, we did not have heavy red-tape regulation. But our light touch regulation absolutely did not mean "Don't Touch". That was a case of the regulators being under the thumb of the bankers. There is not a hope that McCreevy or Harney would have agreed that a Regulator should ignore the lighter rules that were in place.   

Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2016, 04:19:16 PM

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience))

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/) Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

What do you think is wrong with this?
Aircraft leasing sector is a very successful niche for the country. Employs over 1,000 people (and very well paid!). Our tax regime is good, but absolutely nothing "hairy" about it or anything that the EU or OECD have ever complained about. Irish companies get capital allowances based only on genuine expenditure incurred on the cost of the aircraft, and pay tax on their profits at 12.5%.
Like any good venture, success breeds success. We've become known to have the expertise in this country for aircarft leasing, so more and more keep coming.
Not sure what anyone would have to moan about that? 

Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 13, 2016, 07:47:26 AM
Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

They are here neither for our expertise, nor our tax regime.

And it isn't just leasing companies that register their aircraft here.

Why do you think Norwegian is coming here? We have Alitalia, FedEx, DHL and UPS operated aircraft registered here. The one that went down in Columbia used to be owned here.

Same as the banking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on December 14, 2016, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 13, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
They are here neither for our expertise, nor our tax regime.

And it isn't just leasing companies that register their aircraft here.

Why do you think Norwegian is coming here? We have Alitalia, FedEx, DHL and UPS operated aircraft registered here. The one that went down in Columbia used to be owned here.

Same as the banking.
You're mixing apples and oranges, using smoke and mirrors, and saying nothing of substance. And on the Joe Brolly thread of all places!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 14, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Hard to find civilised rational Rossies
Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 14, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Hard to beat civilised rational Rossies

There mustn't be many on the county team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 14, 2016, 01:13:12 PM
Shligos and Meaths commenting on Rational and Civilised :o
Oxymoron territory.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 14, 2016, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 14, 2016, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 13, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
They are here neither for our expertise, nor our tax regime.

And it isn't just leasing companies that register their aircraft here.

Why do you think Norwegian is coming here? We have Alitalia, FedEx, DHL and UPS operated aircraft registered here. The one that went down in Columbia used to be owned here.

Same as the banking.
You're mixing apples and oranges, using smoke and mirrors, and saying nothing of substance. And on the Joe Brolly thread of all places!

I am saying that Ireland is a flag of convenience in both banking and aviation.

You appear to believe otherwise. Fine.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Hard to beat civilised rational Rossies
'Tis indeed.
I mean how can ye bate them when you can't find any to bate? ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Your thoughts above would be on the money if the north had equality. Unfortunately it doesn't orange unionist culture pervades and dominates everything. The GAA is the only real tangible expression of an Irish identity in the north. Every other symbol of state is unionist and red white and blue. I would be all for the dropping of anthems and flags, but only in the context of respect for the nationalist Irish culture. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on December 15, 2016, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all

+1
Well said
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Your thoughts above would be on the money if the north had equality. Unfortunately it doesn't orange unionist culture pervades and dominates everything. The GAA is the only real tangible expression of an Irish identity in the north. Every other symbol of state is unionist and red white and blue. I would be all for the dropping of anthems and flags, but only in the context of respect for the nationalist Irish culture. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You can't wave one big brush stroke over the north like you have. Different areas will create different views on equality etc. The Protestant/Unionists I know respect Gaelic and the culture behind it. There are obviously those that never will. The mature way of dealing with it is to reach out to those that to respect it and bring them on board without fear. That leaves the others isolated in their own bigoted beliefs. It can still be an expression of your irish identity. You don't even need to do away with flags and anthems at every game its just a token concession to throw out the welcome mat and be proud of the Sport and association which the likes of brolly seem determined to knock.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 15, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
Its easy to get annoyed by Brolly, he would sicken your sh1te sometimes. But...
Why do some people feel the need to try appease everyone in this country. The Super Bowl, World Series etc all have the Star Spangled Banner belted out before they start. The Aussie Rules Grand Final has the anthem before it. God Save The Queen gets a rattle before the FA Cup and no one thinks it is wrong. Is Irelands Call necessary ? I don't think it is.
Worldwide before major sporting events the national anthem of the country is played and creates a great atmosphere.
I agree with Joe on this one
I know what you mean alright but Joe went waaay overboard in his reaction to what Ó Fearghail had to say. There was little point in dragging the murder of the Reaveys into the discussion as the bastuds who carried out this atrocity wouldn't or won't change their minds if the mere flying of the tricolour and the singing of Amhrán na bhFiann were dispensed with. Their hatred of all things Nationalist predates 1692 and the Battle of the Boyne. You could say it began with the Plantation of Ulster in 1606.
These friggers won't be changing their mindset in our generation or many more to come.
Likewise the scum that murdered innocent workers at Kingsmill for the 'crime' of being Protestants weren't too worried about reaching out to anyone or working towards any sort of compromise on this island.
There is no point in re-fighting the past; we can only hope to learn from the mistakes that were made back then and try not to repeat them in the future.  I think Ó Fearghail made some pretty valid points and there was no logical reason for Brolly or anyone else going ballistic and dragging our sordid past into the argument. The Reaveys were murdered because they were vulnerable Catholics and not because they were members of the GAA.
Someday, the questions posed by Ó Fearghail will have to be considered and I hope those who are involved will think of their futures and those of their children and not, like Brolly, harking back to the horrors of the past.
Whether we like it or not, Amhrán na bhFIann is sectarian and is perceived as such by the majority of Unionists.  The same is to be said about the flying of the tricolour in Norn Iron. I know many won't agree with me but I'm thinking of those who do, many are Catholics but the majority are Unionists.
Ó Fearghail attempted to start a discussion; Brolly attempted to drive the wedge of sectarianism even deeper in the gulf between the two traditions on the island. As for the playing of the national anthems in other countries at sporting events, it's well to remember that those anthems represent all shades of opinions and beliefs in their respective countries. The same can't be said about our one; it stands for discord and not unity of the people of Ireland.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 15, 2016, 12:54:01 PM
How on earth is Amhrán na bhFiann sectarian? Not one mention of religion in the lyrics. Overtly republican and militaristic, yes, but not in any way sectarian. The last time I stood on the pitch or in the stands and looked at the tricolour while singing the anthem had nothing to do with religion, nor did the decision to fly the flag in the first place. It's an expression of Irish identity and nothing to do with sectarianism.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Your thoughts above would be on the money if the north had equality. Unfortunately it doesn't orange unionist culture pervades and dominates everything. The GAA is the only real tangible expression of an Irish identity in the north. Every other symbol of state is unionist and red white and blue. I would be all for the dropping of anthems and flags, but only in the context of respect for the nationalist Irish culture. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You can't wave one big brush stroke over the north like you have. Different areas will create different views on equality etc. The Protestant/Unionists I know respect Gaelic and the culture behind it. There are obviously those that never will. The mature way of dealing with it is to reach out to those that to respect it and bring them on board without fear. That leaves the others isolated in their own bigoted beliefs. It can still be an expression of your irish identity. You don't even need to do away with flags and anthems at every game its just a token concession to throw out the welcome mat and be proud of the Sport and association which the likes of brolly seem determined to knock.
OK then name me on symbol of this state that recognises the Irish Identity? They can't even make St Patrick's Day a Public Holiday FFS.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Your thoughts above would be on the money if the north had equality. Unfortunately it doesn't orange unionist culture pervades and dominates everything. The GAA is the only real tangible expression of an Irish identity in the north. Every other symbol of state is unionist and red white and blue. I would be all for the dropping of anthems and flags, but only in the context of respect for the nationalist Irish culture. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You can't wave one big brush stroke over the north like you have. Different areas will create different views on equality etc. The Protestant/Unionists I know respect Gaelic and the culture behind it. There are obviously those that never will. The mature way of dealing with it is to reach out to those that to respect it and bring them on board without fear. That leaves the others isolated in their own bigoted beliefs. It can still be an expression of your irish identity. You don't even need to do away with flags and anthems at every game its just a token concession to throw out the welcome mat and be proud of the Sport and association which the likes of brolly seem determined to knock.
OK then name me on symbol of this state that recognises the Irish Identity? They can't even make St Patrick's Day a Public Holiday FFS.

Sorry what? I never mentioned nor want anything to do with discussing symbols of the state on a GAA board nor any board. Go over to twitter and argue with your opposite number Jamie Bryson. I am not saying the GAA should pander to the DUP or state. I am saying I have no problem and think it goes with the ethos of the association to make it more welcoming for the unionist community who respect the values of the organisation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 15, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 15, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 14, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
My understanding of the GAA was to promote Gaelic games and gaelic culture throughout the island of ireland no matter what your creed, culture or religion. Especially not the religion issue.

It is also my understanding that the GAA pre dates both the anthem and flag.

Personally I love both. If we truly want to be an open association then you have to make changes in the north to make one side of the community feel they can come on board. I don't need the anthem played or flag raised to tell me i am irish and i think it could be adopted at some sort of level. I would have no issue. Some in the deeply entrenched areas will never agree to any concession. They are exactly the same as those from the other side of the coomunity and there "never, never, never" shouts about removing the union jack. They feel threatened.

We should be strong in our identity and organisation that we can make concessions in certain parts of the country to bring the other side of the community on board and make them feel welcome. Instead of behaving like a kid who wants to hide away his best toy.

Brollys article was disgusting and divisive and made references to highly emotional events from the troubles without having any relevance to the point he was making. He is a horrible egotistical man who has completely lost the run of himself. He has no idea about the modern game at all
Your thoughts above would be on the money if the north had equality. Unfortunately it doesn't orange unionist culture pervades and dominates everything. The GAA is the only real tangible expression of an Irish identity in the north. Every other symbol of state is unionist and red white and blue. I would be all for the dropping of anthems and flags, but only in the context of respect for the nationalist Irish culture. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You can't wave one big brush stroke over the north like you have. Different areas will create different views on equality etc. The Protestant/Unionists I know respect Gaelic and the culture behind it. There are obviously those that never will. The mature way of dealing with it is to reach out to those that to respect it and bring them on board without fear. That leaves the others isolated in their own bigoted beliefs. It can still be an expression of your irish identity. You don't even need to do away with flags and anthems at every game its just a token concession to throw out the welcome mat and be proud of the Sport and association which the likes of brolly seem determined to knock.
OK then name me on symbol of this state that recognises the Irish Identity? They can't even make St Patrick's Day a Public Holiday FFS.

Sorry what? I never mentioned nor want anything to do with discussing symbols of the state on a GAA board nor any board. Go over to twitter and argue with your opposite number Jamie Bryson. I am not saying the GAA should pander to the DUP or state. I am saying I have no problem and think it goes with the ethos of the association to make it more welcoming for the unionist community who respect the values of the organisation.
You said I waved a broad brush over the North. I'm not arguing but stating my view that as an Irish person living in this place, the GAA is about the only means of expressing Irish identity in a meaningful way short of going to a republican rally, which I'd not be seen dead at.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on December 15, 2016, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 12, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
So anyway, Tommy Conlon has deleted all references to the article from his Twitter profile.
Even the balls.ie piece about the article is gone!

Conlon hasn't the balls to stand by his comments. What a piece of shit this excuse for a human is.
I hope he gets sued to high heaven.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on December 15, 2016, 05:47:44 PM
I take it Brolly has pulled him/Sindo on this line:

"Kevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland..."

As Kevin Lynch was never convicted of killing anyone, this leaves them wide open.  I'd love that ignoramus to have dug his heels in and we'd have then got the pleasure of watching Brolly going to town on him in court.  I can't believe someone in an editorial capacity let that go to print.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 15, 2016, 06:27:33 PM
Not a lawyer but I believe libel doesn't extend to the dead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on December 15, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
You'd be better off not giving that fcukwit pseudo journalist the oxygen of recognition.
brolly did prob take ofearghaills comments a bit too hard bit it shows recently through this and president ohiggins castro comments that you need to think about your public comments when in high office.

as for that idiot pseudo jjourno hack - he is ill informed if not completely uninformed.
his comments on Kevin Lynch, his objectives , his reasons fir joining that particular organisation etc etc are all utterly unresearched.
but the sindo is notorious for shoddy work and second class third rate employees.

the people of Dungiven don't care with almost 800 people at the rencent 50 year hurling club anniversary dinner dance gala ball.
historic videos played with cheers for archives of Lynch captaining Dungiven in the inaugural feile in tipp. read pat spillanes book 'no pat on the back' page 64 I think to see what the clubs name means to the people of the town and surrounding area. 
Guest speakers Brian Cody and Jackie tyrell were happy to be present and  talk again. tyrrell asked to visit the hurling shrine that is Lynch's house too  - which will happen whenever he wants to go.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 15, 2016, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 15, 2016, 12:54:01 PM
How on earth is Amhrán na bhFiann sectarian? Not one mention of religion in the lyrics. Overtly republican and militaristic, yes, but not in any way sectarian. The last time I stood on the pitch or in the stands and looked at the tricolour while singing the anthem had nothing to do with religion, nor did the decision to fly the flag in the first place. It's an expression of Irish identity and nothing to do with sectarianism.
I know there isn't but there are more forms of sectarianism than religious bigotry.  According to  Merriam-Webster,  (http://"https://www.google.ie/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=sectarianism%20definition&oq=sect&rlz=1CATAAB_enIE691IE692&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l4.3115j0j4) sectarianism means
"relating to religious or political sects and the differences between them" and I'd go along with that.
BTW, I'm not saying that I approve or disapprove of the use of the flag and the anthem at Gaelic matches in Norn Iron; they merely serve as yet another reason not to break down barriers between the communities.
I mean it's about 390 years since the Plantation of Ulster and only 20 since the GFA so there's a long, long way to go before there is any sort of unity on this island. I'd imagine that there never will be a time when all religious animosity is put aside but, all the same, Ó Fearghail was right to bring the issues of identity at Gaelic matches up for discussion and debate.
Talking won't harm anyone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 15, 2016, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on December 15, 2016, 05:47:44 PM
I take it Brolly has pulled him/Sindo on this line:

"Kevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland..."

As Kevin Lynch was never convicted of killing anyone, this leaves them wide open.  I'd love that ignoramus to have dug his heels in and we'd have then got the pleasure of watching Brolly going to town on him in court.  I can't believe someone in an editorial capacity let that go to print.

Nah, I'd wager it's more to do with what was said or implied about Joe himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 15, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 15, 2016, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on December 15, 2016, 05:47:44 PM
I take it Brolly has pulled him/Sindo on this line:

"Kevin Lynch played underage hurling for Dungiven before he moved on to greater things. He decided to do a bit of killing for Ireland..."

As Kevin Lynch was never convicted of killing anyone, this leaves them wide open.  I'd love that ignoramus to have dug his heels in and we'd have then got the pleasure of watching Brolly going to town on him in court.  I can't believe someone in an editorial capacity let that go to print.

Nah, I'd wager it's more to do with what was said or implied about Joe himself.

Up until the Liam Lawlor case, it was the law in Ireland that you can't libel the dead. Mainly because they can't sue. Not sure if that changed after Lawlor though.

http://politico.ie/archive/libel-dead (http://politico.ie/archive/libel-dead)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on December 15, 2016, 05:47:44 PM
I can't believe someone in an editorial capacity let that go to print.

It's the Independent you're talking about here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 15, 2016, 09:32:36 PM
The Sports editor of the Sindo (John Greene) is a good mate of Joe's as well.
He would have had to give the article the go ahead, which makes things extra awkward.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 16, 2016, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 15, 2016, 09:32:36 PM
The Sports editor of the Sindo (John Greene) is a good mate of Joe's as well.
He would have had to give the article the go ahead, which makes things extra awkward.

Doubt he read it, sure he's from Longford and literacy is not exactly a strong quality in that county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on December 16, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: muppet on December 15, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Up until the Liam Lawlor case, it was the law in Ireland that you can't libel the dead. Mainly because they can't sue. Not sure if that changed after Lawlor though.

http://politico.ie/archive/libel-dead (http://politico.ie/archive/libel-dead)

It didn't.
Title: cnc7594
Post by: FermGael on December 17, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
Joe getting a full apology in tomorrows paper
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 17, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
More than Brolly should get an apology - family of Kevin Lynch for a start. Conlon should be fired for that dirt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 18, 2016, 12:19:11 AM
He'll be made Managing Director for slagging a hunger striker.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 18, 2016, 03:51:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 17, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
More than Brolly should get an apology - family of Kevin Lynch for a start. Conlon should be fired for that dirt.

Conlon actually spent most of Sunday retweeting praise for his article. Before things went quickly south for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 18, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
Tommy Conon should stick to acceptable targets such as the cohort of Mayo footballers who are too arrogant to win the all Ireland
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on December 18, 2016, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 18, 2016, 03:51:23 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 17, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
More than Brolly should get an apology - family of Kevin Lynch for a start. Conlon should be fired for that dirt.

Conlon actually spent most of Sunday retweeting praise for his article. Before things went quickly south for him.
One of those in praise for him a Journo called Edwin McGreal from the Mayo news I see,  ,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 18, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?

For once, I agree with Tony.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on December 18, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?

Fairly embarrassing stuff by Brolly in terms of his reaction, especially as a journalist who is known for throwing around his controversial opinions  - would have been far more effective to simply leave the article out there and let people make up their own mind on it.

I know there tends to be a lot of legal action taken by people against Irish newspapers and Irish journalists, but is this the first time an Irish journalist/columnist has gone the legal route with another Irish journalist because they said something he didn't agree/like with?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on December 18, 2016, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 18, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?

Fairly embarrassing stuff by Brolly in terms of his reaction, especially as a journalist who is known for throwing around his controversial opinions  - would have been far more effective to simply leave the article out there and let people make up their own mind on it.

I know there tends to be a lot of legal action taken by people against Irish newspapers and Irish journalists, but is this the first time an Irish journalist/columnist has gone the legal route with another Irish journalist because they said something he didn't agree/like with?

Yeah he's a childish w**ker is joe. Think of all the libellous remarks he has made about amateurs players down the years and he gets his tits in a twist over this.

f**k him and his charity work, he's as hollow and vain as they come. Joe's "charity" work is as self publicised as they can be. If there was no pat on the back or self praise I doubt if he'd do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on December 18, 2016, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 18, 2016, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 18, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?

Fairly embarrassing stuff by Brolly in terms of his reaction, especially as a journalist who is known for throwing around his controversial opinions  - would have been far more effective to simply leave the article out there and let people make up their own mind on it.

I know there tends to be a lot of legal action taken by people against Irish newspapers and Irish journalists, but is this the first time an Irish journalist/columnist has gone the legal route with another Irish journalist because they said something he didn't agree/like with?

Yeah he's a childish w**ker is joe. Think of all the libellous remarks he has made about amateurs players down the years and he gets his tits in a twist over this.

f**k him and his charity work, he's as hollow and vain as they come. Joe's "charity" work is as self publicised as they can be. If there was no pat on the back or self praise I doubt if he'd do it.
Agree 100%
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 18, 2016, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 18, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 18, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
I have no love for Indo or their journos ,but it seems Joe can dish it out but not take it,in terms of criticism.Also does anyone seriously doubt where his political allegiances lie?

Fairly embarrassing stuff by Brolly in terms of his reaction, especially as a journalist who is known for throwing around his controversial opinions  - would have been far more effective to simply leave the article out there and let people make up their own mind on it.

I know there tends to be a lot of legal action taken by people against Irish newspapers and Irish journalists, but is this the first time an Irish journalist/columnist has gone the legal route with another Irish journalist because they said something he didn't agree/like with?

Yeah he's a childish w**ker is joe. Think of all the libellous remarks he has made about amateurs players down the years and he gets his tits in a twist over this.

f**k him and his charity work, he's as hollow and vain as they come. Joe's "charity" work is as self publicised as they can be. If there was no pat on the back or self praise I doubt if he'd do it.

so tell us the libellous remarks he has made - sounds like your understanding of libel is limited?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
I can't think of any instance where Joe's comments could be said to have damaged the professional reputation of a player though.
He's just generally being a dick.
Most people would know Joe is a barrister.
Drawing a line between him and the IRA/INLA, regardless of his political leanings, is a pretty silly thing to do, especially given that Joe has taken legal action against a journalist for this very reason before.
Incredibly poor judgement from the sports editor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
I can't think of any instance where Joe's comments could be said to have damaged the professional reputation of a player though.
He's just generally being a dick.
Most people would know Joe is a barrister.
Drawing a line between him and the IRA/INLA, regardless of his political leanings, is a pretty silly thing to do, especially given that Joe has taken legal action against a journalist for this very reason before.
Incredibly poor judgement from the sports editor.

I'm fairly sure his comments about Enda McNulty would have damaged his professional reputation. His comments re.Sean Cavanagh didn't help his professional reputation either. But sure Joe lthe bully likes to throw out the insults then uses his own professional reputation to ensure nobody throws shit back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:47:09 PM
The McNulty one is tricky as he's essentially going after the profession of sports psychology itself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:47:09 PM
The McNulty one is tricky as he's essentially going after the profession of sports psychology itself.

But made it personal by singling out McNulty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on December 18, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
Should this not be renamed the Joe Brolly abuse thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clawaddy on December 18, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
Like many on this board I enjoy reading Joe's articles. He usually makes good points but sometimes does get a bit personal. However in relation to this recent article relating to him in the Independent he was entirely justified in seeking an apology.  When I first read the article I was shocked at the tone and the inaccuracies in it.  I could not believe that anyone would be so stupid and ill-informed to write it and secondly a paper to publish it. It surely must cast doubt on the judgement of the editorial team. Some people on here are critical of him for "giving it but not taking it".  He did not have any other option.  Anyone with a public reputation would have done the same.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 18, 2016, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: clawaddy on December 18, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
Like many on this board I enjoy reading Joe's articles. He usually makes good points but sometimes does get a bit personal. However in relation to this recent article relating to him in the Independent he was entirely justified in seeking an apology.  When I first read the article I was shocked at the tone and the inaccuracies in it.  I could not believe that anyone would be so stupid and ill-informed to write it and secondly a paper to publish it. It surely must cast doubt on the judgement of the editorial team. Some people on here are critical of him for "giving it but not taking it".  He did not have any other option.  Anyone with a public reputation would have done the same.
I wouldn't overplay the positive effect of Joe's journalistic profile here  or underplay his taste for the personal. 

On any issue related with the north, as is also evidenced on the GAA board and even in this thread, Conlon the journalist is quite representative of many southern folks' opinions about nordies, republicans, the war, ira, sinn fein, Adams and McGuinness. The deliberately dullard Conlon is probably more in line with the populist reactionary profile of that newspaper's editorial board,  whereas Joe's sentiments on the north and republicans would be out of line. It's just that Joe's occasional sound opinion is usually masked by the avalanche  of indo approved attention seeking nonsense ;D
In this matter, it's probably more a source of annoyance to the Indo that Joe is a prickly barrister, than Conlon went overboard.
Though the Indo does give vent to journalists like Joe (the occasional trad republican) and the reputable Gene Kerrigan, the ratio of insanity to normal could be in the region of 100/1.

I'm glad Joe took action (I assume it was Joe)  that caused the article to be withdrawn, not so much for what was written about Joe  but just for the inherent reactionary awfulness of the article, an insult to free speech.





Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 18, 2016, 06:50:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
I can't think of any instance where Joe's comments could be said to have damaged the professional reputation of a player though.
He's just generally being a dick.
Most people would know Joe is a barrister.
Drawing a line between him and the IRA/INLA, regardless of his political leanings, is a pretty silly thing to do, especially given that Joe has taken legal action against a journalist for this very reason before.
Incredibly poor judgement from the sports editor.

I'm fairly sure his comments about Enda McNulty would have damaged his professional reputation. His comments re.Sean Cavanagh didn't help his professional reputation either. But sure Joe lthe bully likes to throw out the insults then uses his own professional reputation to ensure nobody throws shit back.

McNulty is involved in a villainous field to be fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 19, 2016, 06:36:55 AM
Quote from: clawaddy on December 18, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
Like many on this board I enjoy reading Joe's articles. He usually makes good points but sometimes does get a bit personal. However in relation to this recent article relating to him in the Independent he was entirely justified in seeking an apology.  When I first read the article I was shocked at the tone and the inaccuracies in it.  I could not believe that anyone would be so stupid and ill-informed to write it and secondly a paper to publish it. It surely must cast doubt on the judgement of the editorial team. Some people on here are critical of him for "giving it but not taking it".  He did not have any other option.  Anyone with a public reputation would have done the same.

;D ;D ;D ;D

You are not a MON!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on December 19, 2016, 07:22:00 AM
Because Brolly is in the legal profession, he knows how to hurt someone; really give them hard, spiteful digs, but not to stray into the area of defamation himself. This only makes him even more objectionable.  The fact that he can't take it himself and runs to the legal route whenever things get hot for him shows him to be an even more flawed character;  he can dish it out, but he can't take it. A certain recently retired Ulster footballer could attest to that when Brolly direct messaged him on Twitter telling him he was going to sue him if he didn't take down something he wrote on Twitter. This same man has been crucified (all within the law of course) by Brolly. He's a p***k.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: Seany on December 19, 2016, 07:22:00 AM
Because Brolly is in the legal profession, he knows how to hurt someone; really give them hard, spiteful digs, but not to stray into the area of defamation himself. This only makes him even more objectionable.  The fact that he can't take it himself and runs to the legal route whenever things get hot for him shows him to be an even more flawed character;  he can dish it out, but he can't take it. A certain recently retired Ulster footballer could attest to that when Brolly direct messaged him on Twitter telling him he was going to sue him if he didn't take down something he wrote on Twitter. This same man has been crucified (all within the law of course) by Brolly. He's a p***k.

I remember that tweet and wondering if it would get him in trouble. Can't remember him being crucified unless it was the typical "wouldn't kick snow off a rope" rte analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2016, 02:47:09 PM
The McNulty one is tricky as he's essentially going after the profession of sports psychology itself.

But made it personal by singling out McNulty.

He's had a cut at Kieran Shannon before as well as the profession.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on December 19, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: Main Street on December 18, 2016, 06:47:55 PM
On any issue related with the north, as is also evidenced on the GAA board and even in this thread, Conlon the journalist is quite representative of many southern folks' opinions about nordies, republicans, the war, ira, sinn fein, Adams and McGuinness. The deliberately dullard Conlon is probably more in line with the populist reactionary profile of that newspaper's editorial board,  whereas Joe's sentiments on the north and republicans would be out of line. It's just that Joe's occasional sound opinion is usually masked by the avalanche  of indo approved attention seeking nonsense ;D

Conlon is from Ballinamore, a town that is notorious as a base for violent republicanism, and which has suffered for decades as a result.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
I'd say Tommy Conlon has cost the Sindo more in legal fees than he has in his wages this past few years.
He got the ass sued off them for an article on Brian Carthy a few years back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
I'd say Tommy Conlon has cost the Sindo more in legal fees than he has in his wages this past few years.
He got the ass sued off them for an article on Brian Carthy a few years back.

What was that again?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on December 19, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/apology-to-brian-carthy-rte-gaelic-games-commentator-26237742.html

No mention of money changing hands though.

I wonder if this latest episode marks the end of Brolly's involvement with the Sindo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 19, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
No way.
It gives Joe a massive platform that he won't give up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
I'd say Tommy Conlon has cost the Sindo more in legal fees than he has in his wages this past few years.
He got the ass sued off them for an article on Brian Carthy a few years back.

What was that again?
The Brian Carthy thing?
Conlon laid into him a few years in a fairly vindictive article about his commentary style.
The Sindo apologised and paid out. These pay outs are typically over 100k.

The original article was obviously pulled, but here was some of the reaction to it.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/brian-carthys-good-name-26249285.html


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:51:55 PM

so tell us the libellous remarks he has made - sounds like your understanding of libel is limited?

He said Sean Cavanagh 'is not a man'
Sean Cavanagh is a man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 19, 2016, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:51:55 PM

so tell us the libellous remarks he has made - sounds like your understanding of libel is limited?

He said Sean Cavanagh 'is not a man'
Sean Cavanagh is a man

was out of order but wasn't libelous. He awkwardly said his actions were not those of a man, was ott
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 19, 2016, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:51:55 PM

so tell us the libellous remarks he has made - sounds like your understanding of libel is limited?

He said Sean Cavanagh 'is not a man'
Sean Cavanagh is a man

Prove it!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on December 19, 2016, 11:39:04 AM
I was going to say ricey probably did the crocodile dundee test on him but then he's from the same county...

Maybe Dessiie Mone did ...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 19, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
I'd say Tommy Conlon has cost the Sindo more in legal fees than he has in his wages this past few years.
He got the ass sued off them for an article on Brian Carthy a few years back.

What was that again?
The Brian Carthy thing?
Conlon laid into him a few years in a fairly vindictive article about his commentary style.
The Sindo apologised and paid out. These pay outs are typically over 100k.

The original article was obviously pulled, but here was some of the reaction to it.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/brian-carthys-good-name-26249285.html

That infers enough, thanks BNMM. The "Alzheimer's" reference must have tipped it over the edge, another awful bit of judgement from gas man Tommy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 19, 2016, 11:36:09 AM

was out of order but wasn't libelous. He awkwardly said his actions were not those of a man, was ott

He said he was not a man in his opinion. Why are you trying to change what he said?

Now unless Sean Cavanagh is not a man I'd say Cavanagh had a right to feel libelled .
He also had a nasty pop at Marty Morrisey.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 19, 2016, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:51:55 PM

so tell us the libellous remarks he has made - sounds like your understanding of libel is limited?

He said Sean Cavanagh 'is not a man'
Sean Cavanagh is a man

Prove it!

Ho ho ho
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on December 19, 2016, 12:15:58 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 19, 2016, 11:36:09 AM

was out of order but wasn't libelous. He awkwardly said his actions were not those of a man, was ott

He said he was not a man in his opinion. Why are you trying to change what he said?

Now unless Sean Cavanagh is not a man I'd say Cavanagh had a right to feel libelled .
He also had a nasty pop at Marty Morrisey.

do you know what libelous is?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on December 19, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 19, 2016, 12:15:58 PM


do you know what libelous is?

Nope, no clue.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on December 19, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
Conlon also wrote an article in 2008 saying that Colin Moran had intentionally tried to 'do' Denis Glennon in the incident that went to the DRA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 20, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.

You just sound like a green version of Jamie Bryson! KKKKulture

Joe Brolly is a self obsessed egotistical piece of work. Horrible horrible man in person. Buy into his crap and feed the ego.

He could have made his point about the flag and anthem without trying to deepen divides and and underlines a "them uns versus us" divide in the north.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on December 20, 2016, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: heffo on December 19, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
Conlon also wrote an article in 2008 saying that Colin Moran had intentionally tried to 'do' Denis Glennon in the incident that went to the DRA
Better than the usual hes not 'That kind of player shite' that allowed many a thug to keep playing long after they should have been banned for life . in staead of being lauded and given easy analysys jobs on TV.
on a separate note Good to see Ronan Mcgarrity  alive and well coming out in support of the Mayo players today
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 21, 2016, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: heffo on December 19, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
Conlon also wrote an article in 2008 saying that Colin Moran had intentionally tried to 'do' Denis Glennon in the incident that went to the DRA

That was Dermot Bannon heffo. Was that article also taken down from Independent.ie? Lots of form with Tommy if so...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 20, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.

You just sound like a green version of Jamie Bryson! KKKKulture

Joe Brolly is a self obsessed egotistical piece of work. Horrible horrible man in person. Buy into his crap and feed the ego.

He could have made his point about the flag and anthem without trying to deepen divides and and underlines a "them uns versus us" divide in the north.
A quite unbelievable post. My friend, you are sorely misguided or more likely, lacking in basic common sense to equate anything in my post with the rhetoric of Jamie Bryson. At no point did I go on the attack in regard to British / Orange culture make reference to my Protestant neighbours in a derogatory way (or any way for that matter). Merely stated facts in regard to how many in the Northern GAA family feel in this regard. I could go on but I fear I may cross a line, as blind stupidity in people often can bring out the worst in me.
In any case...Nollaig Shona Mo Chara.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 21, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 20, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.

You just sound like a green version of Jamie Bryson! KKKKulture

Joe Brolly is a self obsessed egotistical piece of work. Horrible horrible man in person. Buy into his crap and feed the ego.

He could have made his point about the flag and anthem without trying to deepen divides and and underlines a "them uns versus us" divide in the north.
A quite unbelievable post. My friend, you are sorely misguided or more likely, lacking in basic common sense to equate anything in my post with the rhetoric of Jamie Bryson. At no point did I go on the attack in regard to British / Orange culture make reference to my Protestant neighbours in a derogatory way (or any way for that matter). Merely stated facts in regard to how many in the Northern GAA family feel in this regard. I could go on but I fear I may cross a line, as blind stupidity in people often can bring out the worst in me.
In any case...Nollaig Shona Mo Chara.

Alas my friend, I fear that you are the misguided one. Jamie Bryson comparison was a metaphor for the fact that you are so locked in your own deep seeded political believes that any change seems like an attack on your culture.

How can you state as fact how someone else other than yourself feels? That is your opinion. I agree there are plenty in the north who share your views and unfortunately it will probably take another 20 years to wear that away. Your statement although articulate still masks a deep seeded fear within you just like the loyalist community fear of removable or softening anything they see of the own.

I am sure you have went through a lot like us all in the north but hanging on to symbols or brandishing them in what ever way will forever make it impossible to completely integrate in the north. The GAA was not created just for you or for one section of the community, you don't own it. Just like a lot of the things in the north aren't designed for the unionist community although they pitch up their flag on it. The GAA has a big chance to show how progressive and inclusive it is by even attempting to soften the nationalism in some symbolic way at the games.

And if you think brollys article was anything other than to get a reaction then you are the one lacking in common sense. He talks one week about hiskids playing rugby and mixing with protestant schools and how times have changed. Then a month later he writes an article that if a protestant read (and I had one in work who likes the Gaa read) would be disgusted by. He should not be linking politics and sport in the north in such a flippant way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 21, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 20, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.

You just sound like a green version of Jamie Bryson! KKKKulture

Joe Brolly is a self obsessed egotistical piece of work. Horrible horrible man in person. Buy into his crap and feed the ego.

He could have made his point about the flag and anthem without trying to deepen divides and and underlines a "them uns versus us" divide in the north.
A quite unbelievable post. My friend, you are sorely misguided or more likely, lacking in basic common sense to equate anything in my post with the rhetoric of Jamie Bryson. At no point did I go on the attack in regard to British / Orange culture make reference to my Protestant neighbours in a derogatory way (or any way for that matter). Merely stated facts in regard to how many in the Northern GAA family feel in this regard. I could go on but I fear I may cross a line, as blind stupidity in people often can bring out the worst in me.
In any case...Nollaig Shona Mo Chara.

Alas my friend, I fear that you are the misguided one. Jamie Bryson comparison was a metaphor for the fact that you are so locked in your own deep seeded political believes that any change seems like an attack on your culture.

How can you state as fact how someone else other than yourself feels? That is your opinion. I agree there are plenty in the north who share your views and unfortunately it will probably take another 20 years to wear that away. Your statement although articulate still masks a deep seeded fear within you just like the loyalist community fear of removable or softening anything they see of the own.

I am sure you have went through a lot like us all in the north but hanging on to symbols or brandishing them in what ever way will forever make it impossible to completely integrate in the north. The GAA was not created just for you or for one section of the community, you don't own it. Just like a lot of the things in the north aren't designed for the unionist community although they pitch up their flag on it. The GAA has a big chance to show how progressive and inclusive it is by even attempting to soften the nationalism in some symbolic way at the games.

And if you think brollys article was anything other than to get a reaction then you are the one lacking in common sense. He talks one week about hiskids playing rugby and mixing with protestant schools and how times have changed. Then a month later he writes an article that if a protestant read (and I had one in work who likes the Gaa read) would be disgusted by. He should not be linking politics and sport in the north in such a flippant way.

Nothing you have said in this latest post detracts from my initial thoughts re your comments. You tie yourself in knots here - criticising my use of the term fact - I live in South Armagh so I know it to be fact how my friends neighbours & colleagues feel yet in the next breath you agree that many will hold the same view - so is it not then fact that many people hold this view?

It is in fact amazing that you refer to our national flag as 'a symbol' indeed, you speak of 'brandishing' this 'symbol' - as if it were something offensive...even a weapon? You appear to be safe in your understanding of the origins of the GAA saying that I do not own it. Well sir, any paid up member of the Association surely owns a little bit of it given how it is organised and is therefore entitled to their say through their club AGM, County convention and even Congress. you also state that it was not created for one section of the community. You are right it was created for ALL Irish people the vision of which was under the one flag. The GAA was created as a direct response to the way in which Irish culture was being eliminated, and the Founding Fathers wanted to revive that culture through its games. Our flag and Anthem are part of that culture which it appears people, like yourself, are happy to errode. I wonder how those in Hayes' Hotel would view this attitude. But forgive me, this is perhaps living in the past, but i am a strong believer that if you don't know where you've come from, you don't know where you are going.
PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 21, 2016, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 21, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 20, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 19, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
There is no doubt that Joe Brolly can go too far in his comments at times but I much prefer his written word to his spoken.

While I don't agree with everything he says I felt (and still do) that his article in response to An tUachtarán's comments were right on the money. While it may seem to some that Joe went off on one i think it was his depth of feeling on the subject which led him to go down a few different avenues in his attempt to convey how some of us would feel about the subject of our flag and anthem's potential removal.

I think those of us who were able to celebrate their nationality and culture without fear of contradiction or reprisal can find it hard to understand the depth of feeling and sense of belonging to these things. for a long time 'up here' GAA games were often the only place we could play / sing the anthem and fly the flag in safety. British state forces would remove it if they became aware of its presence.

As a result these 2 things became very precious to many of us and have remained so therefore talk of their removal will at the very least arise strong feelings. Joe's article was an example of that.

As for Conlon's article - it doesn't deserve comment and its removal and apology from the Indo is testament to its usefulness.

You just sound like a green version of Jamie Bryson! KKKKulture

Joe Brolly is a self obsessed egotistical piece of work. Horrible horrible man in person. Buy into his crap and feed the ego.

He could have made his point about the flag and anthem without trying to deepen divides and and underlines a "them uns versus us" divide in the north.
A quite unbelievable post. My friend, you are sorely misguided or more likely, lacking in basic common sense to equate anything in my post with the rhetoric of Jamie Bryson. At no point did I go on the attack in regard to British / Orange culture make reference to my Protestant neighbours in a derogatory way (or any way for that matter). Merely stated facts in regard to how many in the Northern GAA family feel in this regard. I could go on but I fear I may cross a line, as blind stupidity in people often can bring out the worst in me.
In any case...Nollaig Shona Mo Chara.

Alas my friend, I fear that you are the misguided one. Jamie Bryson comparison was a metaphor for the fact that you are so locked in your own deep seeded political believes that any change seems like an attack on your culture.

How can you state as fact how someone else other than yourself feels? That is your opinion. I agree there are plenty in the north who share your views and unfortunately it will probably take another 20 years to wear that away. Your statement although articulate still masks a deep seeded fear within you just like the loyalist community fear of removable or softening anything they see of the own.

I am sure you have went through a lot like us all in the north but hanging on to symbols or brandishing them in what ever way will forever make it impossible to completely integrate in the north. The GAA was not created just for you or for one section of the community, you don't own it. Just like a lot of the things in the north aren't designed for the unionist community although they pitch up their flag on it. The GAA has a big chance to show how progressive and inclusive it is by even attempting to soften the nationalism in some symbolic way at the games.

And if you think brollys article was anything other than to get a reaction then you are the one lacking in common sense. He talks one week about hiskids playing rugby and mixing with protestant schools and how times have changed. Then a month later he writes an article that if a protestant read (and I had one in work who likes the Gaa read) would be disgusted by. He should not be linking politics and sport in the north in such a flippant way.

Nothing you have said in this latest post detracts from my initial thoughts re your comments. You tie yourself in knots here - criticising my use of the term fact - I live in South Armagh so I know it to be fact how my friends neighbours & colleagues feel yet in the next breath you agree that many will hold the same view - so is it not then fact that many people hold this view?

It is in fact amazing that you refer to our national flag as 'a symbol' indeed, you speak of 'brandishing' this 'symbol' - as if it were something offensive...even a weapon? You appear to be safe in your understanding of the origins of the GAA saying that I do not own it. Well sir, any paid up member of the Association surely owns a little bit of it given how it is organised and is therefore entitled to their say through their club AGM, County convention and even Congress. you also state that it was not created for one section of the community. You are right it was created for ALL Irish people the vision of which was under the one flag. The GAA was created as a direct response to the way in which Irish culture was being eliminated, and the Founding Fathers wanted to revive that culture through its games. Our flag and Anthem are part of that culture which it appears people, like yourself, are happy to errode. I wonder how those in Hayes' Hotel would view this attitude. But forgive me, this is perhaps living in the past, but i am a strong believer that if you don't know where you've come from, you don't know where you are going.
PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

It will take 20 years to change any views in South Armagh for obvious reasons. I don't have the time nor could be bothered. Have a good Christmas and I don't think you need to worry about anything changing any time soon, its the GAA after all.

The world has changed a lot since the founding fathers created the GAA even if parts of South Armagh haven't.

But brolly is a disgrace and if you think in anyway he's doing it as some patriotic stance to represent people with your view you are kidding yourself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html

Spot on though. Call it as it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html

Spot on though. Call it as it is.

The stuff about free speech is just ludicrous when he's sending off solicitors' letters - Free speech as a concept is all about letting people say whatever they what no matter how offensive/wrong you find it.

"I disprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html

Spot on though. Call it as it is.

The stuff about free speech is just ludicrous when he's sending off solicitors' letters - Free speech as a concept is all about letting people say whatever they what no matter how offensive/wrong you find it.

"I disprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

There are some lines that can't be crossed. Joe put that Conlon w**ker back in his box and rightly so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on December 21, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Free speech is still subject to legal standards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 21, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html

Spot on though. Call it as it is.

The stuff about free speech is just ludicrous when he's sending off solicitors' letters - Free speech as a concept is all about letting people say whatever they what no matter how offensive/wrong you find it.

"I disprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

There you go.

One standard for Joe, one for everyone else.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 21, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Free speech is still subject to legal standards.

Yeah but you can't put yourself forward as a crusader/defender of free speech and at the same time  be someone who is using the legal system to quell others rights to say what they want unless you want to be seen as a complete hypocrite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on December 21, 2016, 11:32:25 PM


There are some lines that can't be crossed. Joe put that Conlon w**ker back in his box and rightly so.
[/quote]

The professional V the amateur.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 21, 2016, 11:37:05 PM
Quote from: Bazil Douglas on December 21, 2016, 11:32:25 PM


There are some lines that can't be crossed. Joe put that Conlon w**ker back in his box and rightly so.

The professional V the amateur.
[/quote]

Do some lads here think that journalists just write about whatever they want, post it in and it goes onto the paper without anyone having a look at it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on December 21, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
What I do know is that CF charity came in for a very unexpected windfall thanks to Tommy and an editor who didn't seem to find much harm in Tommy's response to Joe's article of the week before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 21, 2016, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 21, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
What I do know is that CF charity came in for a very unexpected windfall thanks to Tommy and an editor who didn't seem to find much harm in Tommy's response to Joe's article of the week before.

I doubt if both journalists will stay at the Indo.

Is this is like one of those Games of Thrones Scenes where the winner and loser suddenly realise they are the opposite to what they thought they were?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 22, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
Joe will be happy to have made 200 pages ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: you take er! on December 22, 2016, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right ;)

His profile name is that of a Loyalist terror group & the club he names inthat profile does not exist. Less a Gael, more of a troll I fear. Explains a lot
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 22, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: you take er! on December 22, 2016, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right ;)

Keep trying to free Ireland lad like all the other big mawn down in south,armagh

His profile name is that of a Loyalist terror group & the club he names inthat profile does not exist. Less a Gael, more of a troll I fear. Explains a lot
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on December 22, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 21, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 21, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Comedy gold from Joe

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-dictator-jim-mcguinness-is-one-to-talk-about-respect-31266683.html

Spot on though. Call it as it is.

The stuff about free speech is just ludicrous when he's sending off solicitors' letters - Free speech as a concept is all about letting people say whatever they what no matter how offensive/wrong you find it.

"I disprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

There you go.

One standard for Joe, one for everyone else.

Not quite - there's quite a difference between free speech and broadcasting utter lies which I'm guessing is the reason the independent and conlon made the apology.

Good man Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
I don't understand the Sindo sometimes. Some of their stuff has a kernel of a good point at the middle of it, but by the time you've gotten even halfway through the article you've had to sit through so much personalized abuse and insults that you can barely stomach getting to the end. Like yer man calling the national flag a "rag" and his own national anthem a "dirge" before he even completed the first paragraph. It's like they're not interested in persuading anyone to adopt their point of view. They'd rather insult everyone who might disagree with them and butter up their existing self-loathing anti-Irish Irish readership. Bizarre.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on December 23, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: you take er! on December 22, 2016, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right ;)

His profile name is that of a Loyalist terror group & the club he names inthat profile does not exist. Less a Gael, more of a troll I fear. Explains a lot

He is a WUM. If anyone thinks otherwise they need their head checked
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on December 23, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 23, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: you take er! on December 22, 2016, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 21, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: you take er! on December 21, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

PS I find your profile name as interesting as the club you include in that profile and perhaps explains the stance you are taking here - just a thought

Got the Rangers bit right ;)

His profile name is that of a Loyalist terror group & the club he names inthat profile does not exist. Less a Gael, more of a troll I fear. Explains a lot

He is a WUM. If anyone thinks otherwise they need their head checked

I wouldn't overestimate him.  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2017, 11:30:03 AM
Joe giving Enda another shoeing in the paper.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 02, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 02, 2017, 11:30:03 AM
Joe giving Enda another shoeing in the paper.......

Is there a history between these two?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 02, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Would McNulty have marked Brolly at any stage?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 02, 2017, 04:52:08 PM
If Joe had any self awareness in the space his ego occupies he should be embarrassed by this carry on.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 02, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 02, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Would McNulty have marked Brolly at any stage?

I would say late 90s there would have been a good chance. Brolly definitely played 98 and mcnulty would have been there or thereabouts then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
Had Joe criticised the CPA yet? Surely he will find something wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on January 11, 2017, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
Had Joe criticised the CPA yet? Surely he will find something wrong.

Quite the opposite..

Joe Brolly ‏@JoeBrolly1993  Jan 9
Joe Brolly Retweeted Jerome Quinn
This is something we all need to support.Joe Brolly added,

Jerome Quinn @JeromeQuinn
Video: Leading #GAA figures speak at today's historic Club Players Association launch in Dublin https://youtu.be/J4Yvfwp5x0c  #FixtheFixtures
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 12, 2017, 01:02:30 PM

Endorsed the GPA at the start too
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 12, 2017, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 12, 2017, 01:02:30 PM

Endorsed the GPA at the start too

I think most agreed that GPA was a good idea at the time when it was about getting fair mileage and decent gear and sustenance for County Players but it's turned into a behemoth!!!

€6.2m a year?? That's obscene, especially when we can't see what they're paying their support staff and what exactly this money is going on!

Also the player injury scheme across the board is getting out of hand and I'm sure €6.2m a year would go a long way to helping the smaller clubs out who have suffered a few cruciates in the last few years!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on January 13, 2017, 09:26:54 AM
Would their accounts not be publicly accessible?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 13, 2017, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2017, 09:26:54 AM
Would their accounts not be publicly accessible?

I was told their accounts are included in the overall GAA accounts and that it is very generic and doesn't go into much detail at all!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Heshs Umpire on January 23, 2017, 12:17:56 AM
Joe telling us the blindfolding himself and kicking points in Trinity story again in the Sindo today. It's getting pretty tired now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 23, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
He's hanging on by his fingernails for the start of the league.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on January 23, 2017, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 23, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
He's hanging on by his fingernails for the start of the league.

No shi*, when he has to throw in another B Flynn story, you know he is scrambling big time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 23, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on January 23, 2017, 12:17:56 AM
Joe telling us the blindfolding himself and kicking points in Trinity story again in the Sindo today. It's getting pretty tired now.

How did he know he scored them?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 24, 2017, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on January 23, 2017, 12:17:56 AM
Joe telling us the blindfolding himself and kicking points in Trinity story again in the Sindo today. It's getting pretty tired now.

How did he know he scored them?
Joe doesn't need eyes in order to see.
Joe has inner vision.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 25, 2017, 02:26:23 PM
Wonder what Brolly would make of this:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/duffy-welcomes-crackdown-on-us-summer-exodus-35395811.html

Young amateur players having restrictions placed on them as they travel abroad. I'm waiting for thoughtcrime rules to be brought into the GAA any year now too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on January 25, 2017, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 24, 2017, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 23, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on January 23, 2017, 12:17:56 AM
Joe telling us the blindfolding himself and kicking points in Trinity story again in the Sindo today. It's getting pretty tired now.

How did he know he scored them?
Joe doesn't need eyes in order to see.
Joe has inner vision.

Like a jedi is our Joe it seems..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on January 28, 2017, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 23, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
He's hanging on by his fingernails for the start of the league.

+1. I enjoy Joe's writing...I dont always agree with what he says...but I enjoy the way he gets his message across...in fact I buy the Gaelic Life every week just to hear what he has to say...saves me buying the Sindo...but this week....f**k sake Joe that was putrid stuff. Lets hope Derry give him something tonight to write about next week.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 28, 2017, 08:10:34 PM
His single transferable article. Spout shite about stuff he knows nothing about, so he chooses to lampoon it and then finish off with an insult, this time to Enda McNulty again. I bet Enda is regretting not giving him a kick of it every time he marked him. Brolly is a hateful, spiteful, selfish man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Take Your Points on January 28, 2017, 09:23:12 PM
Enda McNulty has his say and he points the way to deal with Brolly and his ilk:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/i-made-a-decision-not-to-let-the-criticism-hurt-me-enda-mcnulty-responds-to-criticism-of-sports-psychology-35404829.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/i-made-a-decision-not-to-let-the-criticism-hurt-me-enda-mcnulty-responds-to-criticism-of-sports-psychology-35404829.html)

Commit by Enda McNulty! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01ISFAU2G?ref=p2e_popup_T2%20url)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on January 29, 2017, 12:56:56 AM
Find that McNulty fella very hard to take. Speaking of himself in 3rd person serious name dropper
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 30, 2017, 10:09:16 PM
Quote from: ck on January 29, 2017, 12:56:56 AM
Find that McNulty fella very hard to take. Speaking of himself in 3rd person serious name dropper
You'd find that McNulty fella very hard to take, speaking of himself in 3rd person  ;D   

"You can worry too much about cynical sports psychologists and what they say about you, but all you need to do is find the focus on what's needed to be completed, what you need to do in order to achieve that and realise that psychologist cannot change what you need to do. Focus, commit, focus, commit ............."  Joe Brolly May 2017
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on January 30, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
Quote from: ck on January 29, 2017, 12:56:56 AM
Find that McNulty fella very hard to take. Speaking of himself in 3rd person serious name dropper
Serious namedropper unlike Joe who regularly speaks to unnamed county players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on January 30, 2017, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 30, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
Serious namedropper unlike Joe who regularly speaks to unnamed county players.

You're joking, right?  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on February 05, 2017, 05:24:20 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-current-era-is-the-most-depressing-in-the-history-of-the-gaa-35424042.html

Never knew that Gilroy was willing to become the director general. That would have been interesting. Hard to disagree with the content, the GAA has shown very weak and poor leadership over the last decade and has drifted aimlessly as both adult playing members and attendances continue to decline. The hierarchy have become completely detached from the grass roots that they so often claim is their primary concern.

I'm sure Duffy and O'Fearghail are both good GAA men but they are not what the GAA need, they need visionaries and people prepared to think outside the box and show real leadership by taking brave decisions for the good of the games. I really hope that the GAA style champions league format is not voted for by the counties becasue it is a complete fudge of the fixtures issue and will only create even more elitism.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StGallsGAA on February 05, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Quote....when he dislocated his shoulder playing for Armagh during a 2003 League semi-final against Laois.

"Most horrible injury I ever got," he remembers. "The pain was disgusting..... with JK holding my hand"

What a soft shoite.  I've seen fellow clubmen dislocate a shoulder and then pop it back in themselves. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on February 05, 2017, 05:46:00 PM

Fair play to joe - willing to put aside his normal modesty and hatred of self promotion to step forward as the saviour of the GAA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHandTom on February 05, 2017, 07:54:28 PM
Great article by Joe Brolly. Some people see necessary change as radical change. That's why we're in this mess.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2017, 05:24:20 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-current-era-is-the-most-depressing-in-the-history-of-the-gaa-35424042.html

Never knew that Gilroy was willing to become the director general.


He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 05, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 05, 2017, 07:54:28 PM
Great article by Joe Brolly. Some people see necessary change as radical change. That's why we're in this mess.
It's hard to tell with Joe because he just makes stuff up.
Well, he'll highlight the odd fact, isolate it from context and then make stuff up, mostly nonsense as to why it happens, who's responsible and there exists some magic genius solution that's being ignored.
Perhaps there is good stuff in Joe's article but unfortunately Joe mangles the good stuff with his messianic zeal for convenient truths and mistruths.
Joe references the 2013 ERSI report   https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS33.pdf (https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS33.pdf), the 75% drop off rate in Gaelic football. 
"75 per cent of our young women and men quit in their prime, because it's so bloody dysfunctional. All of the above have been caused by the GAA not doing its job."
I suppose we should be amazed that Joe referred to an actual respected ESRI research as a source  ::)
However, the report itself tells a different picture and attributes the GAA drop rate, which is a constant historical  drop off rate, as due to family, work, lost interest, all common shared reasons with soccer ex-participants   Fig 7.6  page 122.
Also the recorded drop off rates, fig 7.4 page 120,  do not support his statements.

The main reason why the overall lower soccer participant drop-off rate is only 60%,  is because soccer participation is defined by the ESRI  as taking part in informal 5 aside, once a week. A very low bar indeed.
Whereas in GAA,  participation post secondary school/Univ, is mainly done in the context of a being a club member. Generally people over the age of 20 don't engage in an informal  5 a side GAA kickabout, outside the context of  being a member of a GAA club. The figures to do with numbers of GAA participants who are also club members are the highest in Irish sports.
Basketball has a high drop off participation rate because post secondary school/Uni there is little or no access to a basketball court, there is a paucity of indoor facilities in Ireland.
For all Joe's focus on schedules, competitions,  GAA hierarchy shortcomings, subscription tv.
is all that really the solution to what he perceives is the problem?

Compare the Irish experience to what exists in Scandinavian countries, where  for the most part in each town/kommune. the sports model is integration of all sports in a multi sports complex. The town sports club takes care of all sports participation and  coaching of all indoor and outdoor sports, for all citizens (both sexes) from the cradle to the grave, re athletics, tennis, swimming, football, basketball, handball, ice hockey (curling?).
Kids have to pay annual membership to their chosen sport, every kid has access to a team whether it's the u15 1st team or u15 7th team and can play i competitive leagues . The Kommune builds the facilities, the clubs are owned by the membership, the facilities are owned by the municipality. There is no segregation of sports, no overt warring between sporting codes, no faction fighting to monopolise. Kids just get access to different sports at an early age, pick the one they are good at and receive professional educated coaching from an early age in that sport. Schools are integrated with the sports club.

Let Joe give some example of GAA clubs losing members and if there any, let him examine the reasons why, with proper research.
What is the main reason? I'd hazard a guess and say migration/immigration has a huge part to play.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on February 05, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
Good post

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 06, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2017, 05:24:20 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-current-era-is-the-most-depressing-in-the-history-of-the-gaa-35424042.html

Never knew that Gilroy was willing to become the director general.


He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Has Duffy got his eyes on the exit door? There for another 4 years at least I thought.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2017, 02:43:55 PM
QuoteCompare the Irish experience to what exists in Scandinavian countries, where  for the most part in each town/kommune. the sports model is integration of all sports in a multi sports complex. The town sports club takes care of all sports participation and  coaching of all indoor and outdoor sports, for all citizens (both sexes) from the cradle to the grave, re athletics, tennis, swimming, football, basketball, handball, ice hockey (curling?).
Kids have to pay annual membership to their chosen sport, every kid has access to a team whether it's the u15 1st team or u15 7th team and can play i competitive leagues . The Kommune builds the facilities, the clubs are owned by the membership, the facilities are owned by the municipality. There is no segregation of sports, no overt warring between sporting codes, no faction fighting to monopolise. Kids just get access to different sports at an early age, pick the one they are good at and receive professional educated coaching from an early age in that sport. Schools are integrated with the sports club.

Them old Scandinavians again  -sure that would never catch on here ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Even though he is a Derry man he does talk sense a lot of the time. Unfortunately it is mixed in with hyperbole and complete nonsense on many occasions.

If we keep going the same way there is going to be issues.........club v county, rule changes, GPA are all headed for a big bang which means our Association will suffer.

Can Joe save us? He can certainly contribute if he stops intertwining his points with shite
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 06, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
Joe can't save us, unfortunately.
He's not objective or scientific enough in his approach to solving the problem.
Too much feeling, not enough fact.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on February 06, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 06, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2017, 05:24:20 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-current-era-is-the-most-depressing-in-the-history-of-the-gaa-35424042.html

Never knew that Gilroy was willing to become the director general.


He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Has Duffy got his eyes on the exit door? There for another 4 years at least I thought.

On the home stretch - all senior contract renewals are for seven years. Doesn't mean anyone has to complete the term.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2017, 11:11:39 AM
Great article by Brolly. Duffy has been a complete disaster as Director General. He has completely facilitated the takeover by the GPA (aptly described by Joe in his article) and the reversal of the balance of power from clubs to county teams. Probably the greatest GAA manager of all time, Brian Cody, clearly realises this from his comments. The county game is the icing, the club game is the cake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on February 07, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 06, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
Joe can't save us, unfortunately.
He's not objective or scientific enough in his approach to solving the problem.
Too much feeling, not enough fact.

Ah Jinxy, Brolly's entire career as a Barrister is about fact & objectivity. His media hobby (I appreciate he gets paid for it) allows him to mix the emotion to it for effect. like seriously!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
What he does for a living is irrelevant.
There have been occasions recently where he has recounted conversations with famous 'gaels' who have subsequently cast doubt on the veracity of Joe's account.
That's when he's not quoting 'unnamed' intercounty players he bumped into at Tesco.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 07, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
Joe is full of shite. That story of him being pulled over by the guards and asked for selfies, Jaysus, he has some imagination. Big headed git.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on February 07, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
What he does for a living is irrelevant.
There have been occasions recently where he has recounted conversations with famous 'gaels' who have subsequently cast doubt on the veracity of Joe's account.
That's when he's not quoting 'unnamed' intercounty players he bumped into at Tesco.

You said he was not objective enough nor able to deal in fact. If he had to, bet your bottom dollar that's all he would he would applied. The skill set he has for his career is based solely on those skill sets. If you don't understand that is what the law deals in, I am wasting my time trying to persuade you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 07, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
He should run for GAA President if he is so adamant about his views
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: shawshank on February 07, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
What he does for a living is irrelevant.
There have been occasions recently where he has recounted conversations with famous 'gaels' who have subsequently cast doubt on the veracity of Joe's account.
That's when he's not quoting 'unnamed' intercounty players he bumped into at Tesco.

You said he was not objective enough nor able to deal in fact. If he had to, bet your bottom dollar that's all he would he would applied. The skill set he has for his career is based solely on those skill sets. If you don't understand that is what the law deals in, I am wasting my time trying to persuade you.
Lawyer: "Now that you have been acquitted, will you tell me truly? Did you steal the car?"

Client: "After hearing your amazing argument in court this morning, I'm beginning to think I didn't.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on February 07, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
What he does for a living is irrelevant.
There have been occasions recently where he has recounted conversations with famous 'gaels' who have subsequently cast doubt on the veracity of Joe's account.
That's when he's not quoting 'unnamed' intercounty players he bumped into at Tesco.

This type of "I met a man in the pub" bullshit works for Enda Kenny so Joe might as well have a go
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 07, 2017, 07:25:22 PM
He's the Irish equivalent of Katie Hopkins with a little bit of Piers Morgan thrown in. Fast becoming dsomeone who should be consciously ignored. That last article was inaccurate and follows a typical pattern. Pick a statistic. Twist it around and blame GAA leadership for it. He does it all the time. Pure rubbish. He's actually blaming GAA nationally for the sedentary culture of young people's lives nowadays. Just think about that. Spotty teenagers who'd prefer to stay at home and play FIFA or be on snapchat rather than train with the under 16s and its the fault of Croke Park and the GPA. I'd say Pat Gilroy is mortified about having his name bandied about by him. As I've said before, he is a spiteful, bitter person who is totally self obsessed and thinks his opinion is all that matters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 07, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Self-obsessed indeed. I recall a column a while ago. Brolly cycling in the hills of Tenerife or somewhere, on his own, car passes him and man shouts "Brolly, you Derry w****r!" or something similar.  Poor Joe. Can't even get peace cycling high in the Tenerife mountains. David Beckham would get more peace being out and about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 07, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
He brings the criticism on himself but at the end of the day he is a GAA man at heart and one that does oodles for the wider community.
If only we had more like him rather than those that fleece what they can from the association with little respect for the grassroots
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on February 07, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 07, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
He brings the criticism on himself but at the end of the day he is a GAA man at heart and one that does oodles for the wider community.
If only we had more like him rather than those that fleece what they can from the association with little respect for the grassroots

He may be a GAA man but is there any single person in Ireland who is more publicly negative towards the association and some of its individual members than Joe, himself? No wonder kids turn away from the game if they are exposed to  the apocalyptic picture that Joe paints about it in virtually every media outlet going every week.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
It's a wonder he hasn't cited player burnout as one of the causes of global warming.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on February 07, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?

McKenna & McGill
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 07, 2017, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 07, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 07, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
He brings the criticism on himself but at the end of the day he is a GAA man at heart and one that does oodles for the wider community.
If only we had more like him rather than those that fleece what they can from the association with little respect for the grassroots

He may be a GAA man but is there any single person in Ireland who is more publicly negative towards the association and some of its individual members than Joe, himself? No wonder kids turn away from the game if they are exposed to  the apocalyptic picture that Joe paints about it in virtually every media outlet going every week.
Does Joe, just a mere gaa man, deserve the granting of full absolution that's normally only granted to one who's deemed to be a real gaa person?
Anybody can be a GAA man but is Joe a real GAA man?

If Donald Trump was a GAA man he would be Joe Brolly, claiming himself to be a really really good GAA man, who is speaking out against really really bad GAA men (incl. sports psychologists)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on February 07, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 07, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Self-obsessed indeed. I recall a column a while ago. Brolly cycling in the hills of Tenerife or somewhere, on his own, car passes him and man shouts "Brolly, you Derry w****r!" or something similar.  Poor Joe. Can't even get peace cycling high in the Tenerife mountains. David Beckham would get more peace being out and about.

Probably didn't happen though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 07, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?

McKenna & McGill
Jarlath Burns??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 11:50:10 PM
Burns for Prez, not DG.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on February 08, 2017, 06:33:29 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 11:50:10 PM
Burns for Prez, not DG.

Correct
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on February 08, 2017, 09:13:12 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 08, 2017, 06:33:29 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 07, 2017, 11:50:10 PM
Burns for Prez, not DG.

Correct

Burns is a total melter, God help us if he gets it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 08, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?

McKenna & McGill

If McKenna gets it we may as well hand the keys to the GPA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
Paranoia reigns.
Maybe Dermot could take on both roles with Sean Kelly and Desserts Farnell as his assistants. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 08, 2017, 11:12:46 AM
Burns did appeal to me but then he started this nonsense about the National anthem and the flag. Wont endear him to some.
Would have thought he would remain neutral until he got the job.

Bar that he would be a good choice and one that can see all sides and not just the GPA which previous presidents seem to have done and is a major bone of contention
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 08, 2017, 11:14:49 AM
Give both jobs to Liam Griffin.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2017, 11:25:00 AM
Keep them hurley crowd out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 08, 2017, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 07, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 07, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Self-obsessed indeed. I recall a column a while ago. Brolly cycling in the hills of Tenerife or somewhere, on his own, car passes him and man shouts "Brolly, you Derry w****r!" or something similar.  Poor Joe. Can't even get peace cycling high in the Tenerife mountains. David Beckham would get more peace being out and about.

Probably didn't happen though

Yes, but it shows you what he's like. He wrote another about Enda Kenny joking with him about something he said on TSG. I'm so famous even the President takes time out of busy schedule to come over to talk to me. Big head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 08, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 08, 2017, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 07, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 07, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Self-obsessed indeed. I recall a column a while ago. Brolly cycling in the hills of Tenerife or somewhere, on his own, car passes him and man shouts "Brolly, you Derry w****r!" or something similar.  Poor Joe. Can't even get peace cycling high in the Tenerife mountains. David Beckham would get more peace being out and about.

Probably didn't happen though

Yes, but it shows you what he's like. He wrote another about Enda Kenny joking with him about something he said on TSG. I'm so famous even the President takes time out of busy schedule to come over to talk to me. Big head.
More probably Mario Rosenstock.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on February 08, 2017, 12:23:08 PM
Jarlath is a politician, he see's it as a career move.

If McKenna get's the DG job then the slippery slope will just get slippier. Mr commerce. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 08, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 08, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?

McKenna & McGill

If McKenna gets it we may as well hand the keys to the GPA
If McKenna became DG then the show is over.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2017, 06:06:48 PM
What's with all the drama queen stuff?
What "show is over"?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on February 08, 2017, 10:52:27 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 08, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 08, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 07, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: Beffs on February 06, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 05, 2017, 08:50:01 PM

He got down to the last three.

Next DG is already between two people.

Who are they?

McKenna & McGill

If McKenna gets it we may as well hand the keys to the GPA
If McKenna became DG then the show is over.

Agree. Christ almighty that's f**king scary. Not that the thoughts of the other man fill me with joy but McKenna is a f**king disaster.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: regal on February 08, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
A ballbag
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 09, 2017, 12:21:15 AM
Could the paranoid one please explain why McKenna
is a ballbag
F***ing scary
F***ing disaster
Show is over
Slippery slope.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on February 09, 2017, 08:06:41 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 08, 2017, 11:28:02 AM

Yes, but it shows you what he's like. He wrote another about Enda Kenny joking with him about something he said on TSG. I'm so famous even the President takes time out of busy schedule to come over to talk to me. Big head.

The Taoiseach.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 09, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
Very disappointing to hear that talk about Peter McKenna.  This is a man who has turned Croke Park into one of the finest stadiums in the world with facilities that win awards every year.  It is the only totally carbon neutral stadium in the world and its conference facilities are making the association many millions a year.  This is his job and he also now holds the marketing portfolio for the association.  It is incredible to read how defensive some people are when talking about GAA and marketing.  Only a few years ago, the whole talk was on how the GAA didn't market itself properly and now when we are doing an expert job on it, the man who has finally negotiated a fair price for our GAA games is not getting the credit he deserves.  Peter is a brilliant man.  A world renowned expert on how to run a stadium and his performance as marketing manager has been outstanding so far.  I would not comment on how he would do as DG; no-one can say until they saw him in that role for a few years, but the DG is there to do the bidding of the association.  He doesn't run it.  He doesn't have a 51% share, but he does as he is told.  Paraic Duffy learnt that at last year's congress when his reasonable proposals re replays and the bringing back of the All Irelands were defeated.  Calling someone a ballbag or a tool does not help the debate.  The GAA is lucky to have someone of the calibre of Peter McKenna running the stadium and the marketing operation of the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 09, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
From a financial perspective, McKenna has done a great job maximising revenue from Croke Park.
However, I think he is a purely commercial animal and I would worry about the drive to maximise revenue from intercounty competitions by moving further and faster to separate it out from the club game and the unwanted complications it causes.
I want somebody who understands the concerns of the club man or woman in the back arse of nowhere, as DG.
Ideally I would want somebody who has been a club man or woman in the back arse of nowhere, as DG.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 09, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
From a financial perspective, McKenna has done a great job maximising revenue from Croke Park.
However, I think he is a purely commercial animal and I would worry about the drive to maximise revenue from intercounty competitions by moving further and faster to separate it out from the club game and the unwanted complications it causes.
I want somebody who understands the concerns of the club man or woman in the back arse of nowhere, as DG.
Ideally I would want somebody who has been a club man or woman in the back arse of nowhere, as DG.



Exactly this Jinxy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 09, 2017, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 08, 2017, 11:12:46 AM
Burns did appeal to me but then he started this nonsense about the National anthem and the flag. Wont endear him to some.
Would have thought he would remain neutral until he got the job.

Bar that he would be a good choice and one that can see all sides and not just the GPA which previous presidents seem to have done and is a major bone of contention

Burns took charge of Scór about 10 years ago and left an absolute and utter trail of destruction behind him, making countless enemies along the way. He is a natural politician who would be a disaster as either DG or President.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 09, 2017, 09:51:13 AM
So no one from a big town or city or club along a main road can apply then?
Haven't all the Árd Stiúrthóiri been club people along the way as opposed to employees in the GAA "civil service"?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 09, 2017, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2017, 09:51:13 AM
So no one from a big town or city or club along a main road can apply then?
Haven't all the Árd Stiúrthóiri been club people along the way as opposed to employees in the GAA "civil service"?


No.
Do you want a Roscommon man to get the job or not?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on February 14, 2017, 11:34:05 AM
has Brolly split ties with the Irish Independent?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 14, 2017, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 14, 2017, 11:34:05 AM
has Brolly split ties with the Irish Independent?

No article then this week I take it. Didn't see him tweeting it out if there was.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on February 14, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Any truth in a rumour he could be considering doing the Irish news. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Samforever on February 14, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 14, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Any truth in a rumour he could be considering doing the Irish news.

Please. Anything would better than the drivel they put out at the minute. Kernan about the only one worth reading.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHandTom on February 15, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
Irish news has gone down hill but surely not desperate enough to take on Brolly? He's entertaining but he blows with the wind. I cant have the man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on February 15, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 15, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
Irish news has gone down hill but surely not desperate enough to take on Brolly? He's entertaining but he blows with the wind. I cant have the man

He sells . In that game that is the bottom line .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on February 15, 2017, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: ashman on February 15, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 15, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
Irish news has gone down hill but surely not desperate enough to take on Brolly? He's entertaining but he blows with the wind. I cant have the man

He sells . In that game that is the bottom line .

Even Joe would find it difficult to bluff his way through by rehashing versions of the same article every week in both the Irish News and Gaelic Life? Surely there is far too much crossover readership for him to get away with it like he currently does?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 15, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
Tread carefully Benny...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on February 16, 2017, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Samforever on February 14, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 14, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Any truth in a rumour he could be considering doing the Irish news.

Please. Anything would better than the drivel they put out at the minute. Kernan about the only one worth reading.
Kernan pulled the pin on his column.

Bring back Paddy Heaney & Against the Breeze!! Best Sports Journo the Irish News ever had. Too busy taking Spin classes these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on February 16, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
Cahair O'Kane is not bad
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brapbrap on February 16, 2017, 05:04:06 PM
Joe is a naughty boy  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on February 16, 2017, 05:39:02 PM
Whilst some of the articles are hit and miss,  the IN's GAA coverage is the best about by a country mile imo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on February 16, 2017, 05:54:01 PM
The Gaelic Life is good. Enjoying Finn Mo's articles this past few weeks. Kevin Cassidy had a couple of great Q&As with Mulligan and Benny Coulter a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 16, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
You have to appreciate that Joe does not need the money, he's not in it for the money and any moneys he receives from his ´journalistic forays' are donated to a special fund to help refugee blind children who have lost both parents and who may or may not have lost their hearing.

Think about that while you shoot cheap shots across the bow at Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on February 17, 2017, 06:09:36 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 16, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
You have to appreciate that Joe does not need the money, he's not in it for the money and any moneys he receives from his ´journalistic forays' are donated to a special fund to help refugee blind children who have lost both parents and who may or may not have lost their hearing.

Think about that while you shoot cheap shots across the bow at Joe.


+1 I defy anyone to tell me that if they have a copy of the GL or the SINDO sports section that you dont go straight to to Joe's article to see who he's having a pop at this week....(apart from Enda McN...;-))
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on February 17, 2017, 06:40:46 AM
I love his articles. This would be a major coup for Irish news if true.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on February 17, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
No sign yet. Could be fake news! Great article in Irish news yesterday on Trevor ringland and how professionalism in the gaa will destroy the club.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brapbrap on February 17, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
Joe is a very naughty boy!  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on February 17, 2017, 10:37:32 AM
Joe can talk a lot of shite but then occasionally he will identify some matter needing attention that the GAA heads GPA  and cosy pals in the media would rather ignore. Thats why he is worth holding on to
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on February 17, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 17, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
No sign yet. Could be fake news! Great article in Irish news yesterday on Trevor ringland and how professionalism in the gaa will destroy the club.
Does he mean paying outside managers from €10k upwards?
If that professional millstone was removed from all those clubs.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 17, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
I bumped into Joe outside PC World in the Blanchardstown Centre a few days ago and he was lamenting the way the newspaper business has gone.
"Jinxy, last week I got a call from our new sub-editor who was giving out about my stats. Apparently my latest piece was over 500 words too long. When I asked him how he knew, he told me there's a thing called a 'word count' on computers now. Can you believe it, it counts your each and every word! And it gets worse... apparently, if the computer thinks you've made a spelling mistake it draws a red line under the word to let you know and sometimes it even changes the spelling for you! This is the level of micro-management the modern columnist has to deal with. I'm telling you Jinxy... there's no freedom anymore, we're like robots."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 17, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
I bumped into Joe outside PC World in the Blanchardstown Centre a few days ago and he was lamenting the way the newspaper business has gone.
"Jinxy, last week I got a call from our new sub-editor who was giving out about my stats. Apparently my latest piece was over 500 words too long. When I asked him how he knew, he told me there's a thing called a 'word count' on computers now. Can you believe it, it counts your each and every word! And it gets worse... apparently, if the computer thinks you've made a spelling mistake it draws a red line under the word to let you know and sometimes it even changes the spelling for you! This is the level of micro-management the modern columnist has to deal with. I'm telling you Jinxy... there's no freedom anymore, we're like robots."
Will you be this weeks guest unnamed county star that he bumped into?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brapbrap on February 20, 2017, 08:25:52 AM
Joe is a very very naughty boy!  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 20, 2017, 08:37:34 AM
Poor column yesterday from Joe.
Complete trash in fact.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 20, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 17, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
I bumped into Joe outside PC World in the Blanchardstown Centre a few days ago and he was lamenting the way the newspaper business has gone.
"Jinxy, last week I got a call from our new sub-editor who was giving out about my stats. Apparently my latest piece was over 500 words too long. When I asked him how he knew, he told me there's a thing called a 'word count' on computers now. Can you believe it, it counts your each and every word! And it gets worse... apparently, if the computer thinks you've made a spelling mistake it draws a red line under the word to let you know and sometimes it even changes the spelling for you! This is the level of micro-management the modern columnist has to deal with. I'm telling you Jinxy... there's no freedom anymore, we're like robots."
Will you be this weeks guest unnamed county star that he bumped into?

Quite possibly.
Only in Joe's version I dived on the bonnet of his car, screaming "Joe, I urgently need to talk to you about the state of modern inter-county football!!"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 20, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 17, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
I bumped into Joe outside PC World in the Blanchardstown Centre a few days ago and he was lamenting the way the newspaper business has gone.
"Jinxy, last week I got a call from our new sub-editor who was giving out about my stats. Apparently my latest piece was over 500 words too long. When I asked him how he knew, he told me there's a thing called a 'word count' on computers now. Can you believe it, it counts your each and every word! And it gets worse... apparently, if the computer thinks you've made a spelling mistake it draws a red line under the word to let you know and sometimes it even changes the spelling for you! This is the level of micro-management the modern columnist has to deal with. I'm telling you Jinxy... there's no freedom anymore, we're like robots."
Will you be this weeks guest unnamed county star that he bumped into?

Quite possibly.
Only in Joe's version I dived on the bonnet of his car, screaming "Joe, I urgently need to talk to you about the state of modern inter-county football!!"
Did you tell him that it is no fun anymore and show him your contract?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 20, 2017, 02:15:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 20, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 17, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
I bumped into Joe outside PC World in the Blanchardstown Centre a few days ago and he was lamenting the way the newspaper business has gone.
"Jinxy, last week I got a call from our new sub-editor who was giving out about my stats. Apparently my latest piece was over 500 words too long. When I asked him how he knew, he told me there's a thing called a 'word count' on computers now. Can you believe it, it counts your each and every word! And it gets worse... apparently, if the computer thinks you've made a spelling mistake it draws a red line under the word to let you know and sometimes it even changes the spelling for you! This is the level of micro-management the modern columnist has to deal with. I'm telling you Jinxy... there's no freedom anymore, we're like robots."
Will you be this weeks guest unnamed county star that he bumped into?

Quite possibly.
Only in Joe's version I dived on the bonnet of his car, screaming "Joe, I urgently need to talk to you about the state of modern inter-county football!!"

Much damage done to the car?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 20, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
His article was written in a hurry, used a journalistic technique from the movie Trainspotting that is years out of date and contained not one new thought, or vision for his alternative GAA. He is now his own tribute band. Hasn't yet mentioned a football match, but is stretching out his single transferable article to ridiculous lengths. He's the GAA's answer to Pat Buckley's blog. You read it just to see what he's saying, but then take absolutely no further notice of it ever again, while almost feeling sorry for the temperament of the troubled mind that wrote it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on February 20, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
I disagree. His articles, while self-aggrandising, are often a very good read.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 20, 2017, 11:42:16 PM
He's been phoning it in for months now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on February 20, 2017, 11:44:38 PM
Sounds handier than posting it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on February 21, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
Some of you have impossibly high standards.

Joe has been producing consistently readable GAA pieces every week for a couple of years. Considering how shallow that well gets in terms of storylines for half the year, that's quite an achievement.

While he does do the "death of GAA" narrative too much by half, it wold seem that many people would also blockade him from delivering first person narrative pieces involving GAA characters too, and from highlighting his bugbears such as sports psychology.

It's neither his job to write match reports or previews. That's for the journalists, not the columnists.

So to the moaners, I ask this, what would you have him write about?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 21, 2017, 08:23:22 AM
He hasn't written a good article since his obsession with Enda McNulty started.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brapbrap on February 22, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
Joe is a very very very naughty boy!  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on February 22, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
? What's this cryptic message about?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on February 22, 2017, 07:06:22 PM
Just a bellend being a bellend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on February 22, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
Talking sense on news talk at the minute.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 24, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
This is more like it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on February 25, 2017, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 24, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
This is more like it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html)

Mayo drawing with Kerry and Dublin x2 the last couple of years has made the GAA boys realise there is a lot of money to be made from these games. Especially Dublin Games against so called Better opposition. So what we are looking at is Dublin getting more tough games to win an AI title (cos most of their game are boring anymore). And the crowds for this will dwindle as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on February 25, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
Joe Brolly was right. About pretty much everything.

Even Spillane and the Leitrim man weren't far off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 25, 2017, 09:19:18 PM
Just another Brolly ploy, to suck you in to the sentiment that Brolly is right about this core issue, therefore he could have a point when he goes an another justification berry picking journey for random anecdotes which support his ........ (I don't know what Joe actually believes)  whatever against sports psychologists,  teams which lose an AI final  ::)


"The primary aim has to be that players are club first and county second",
Is this so? Not proof positive  but I have posed a county or club  success question to a few seasoned county players   and their answers after some thought, was county first and these guys were hardened club members. Though one said, club first  but later said county.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on February 25, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 24, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
This is more like it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html)

Why is Joe a part of the whole inter-county TV set up though if he deplores the way it's going?

Will he refuse to take RTE's bucks during the Super 8?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on February 25, 2017, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 24, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
This is more like it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-super-eight-proposals-are-a-private-club-for-the-big-counties-a-commercial-juggernaut-35475716.html)

Why is Joe a part of the whole inter-county TV set up though if he deplores the way it's going?

Will he refuse to take RTE's bucks during the Super 8?

If everyone against what is going on theyre would be few left. You just dont walk away, you stay and fight from within...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
YYYEEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/joe-brolly-claims-tyrone-player-told-him-county-training-is-depressing-784258.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"

Do you think he's making this up? Have you been to a Senior Football training session recently? It'd bore you to tears very few managers know how to instil enjoyment into the game anymore!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
YYYEEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/joe-brolly-claims-tyrone-player-told-him-county-training-is-depressing-784258.html
Although Joe has obsessively pursued a vendetta against the validity of sports psychologists in the GAA over these past month, he has now effortlessly  jumped on the sports psychology platform, voyeuristically claiming that fear, low morale, dreadful boredom and depression has completely enveloped Tyrone GAA.
I expect Mickey will announce a code red and conduct a good old fashioned purge in order to root out the babbling snitch ("one of their really, really good players" apparently).

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 03, 2017, 03:33:51 PM
I'd say Joe does some laughing to himself when he's writing this articles.
Like quite a few lads on here he seems to have a huge interest in Tyrone's affairs.
I wonder was he annoyed yesterday after Derry did so well to beat Fermanagh and be saved from Div 3 football for 5 mins before Down equalised with Cork to force them down as well.

(https://tyronetribulations.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/joe_gumsheild.jpg)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on April 03, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"

Do you think he's making this up? Have you been to a Senior Football training session recently? It'd bore you to tears very few managers know how to instil enjoyment into the game anymore!
Perhaps, but if you were one of Tyrone's top players and Joe Brolly asked you how training was going, would you tell him the truth?

I'd fill him full of nonsense in the knowledge that he'd have it in one of his columns.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 03, 2017, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
YYYEEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/joe-brolly-claims-tyrone-player-told-him-county-training-is-depressing-784258.html
Although Joe has obsessively pursued a vendetta against the validity of sports psychologists in the GAA over these past month, he has now effortlessly  jumped on the sports psychology platform, voyeuristically claiming that fear, low morale, dreadful boredom and depression has completely enveloped Tyrone GAA.
I expect Mickey will announce a code red and conduct a good old fashioned purge in order to root out the babbling snitch ("one of their really, really good players" apparently).

I wonder how are the boys in Derry Gaa feeling this week . a lot worse than tyrone id reckon.
the mans a coward hiding behind 'Dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi' for his character assasinations
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 03, 2017, 04:11:34 PM
he's telling the truth and a lot of Tyrone supporters are sick looking at that 'style' of play - players are bound hate it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 04:20:04 PM
This is Joe's stopped clock moment, the ring of truth tolls loud.
"Tyrone  possess a formidable offensive arsenal. But it has been mothballed for several years. The OCD has become entrenched."
"even the shrewdest supporters have succumbed to the culture of caution".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"

Do you think he's making this up? Have you been to a Senior Football training session recently? It'd bore you to tears very few managers know how to instil enjoyment into the game anymore!

You seem certain he's not. Odd given the length of time we've suffered Joe and the culture of 'fool's pardon' he enjoys in the GAA environment. Remember, we've had joe far longer than America has had Trump
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 09:10:00 PM
Joe would make Ulster GAA great again.
Save Ulster from entrenched OCD!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on April 03, 2017, 09:16:17 PM
He's the GAA's Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins. As if Mickey Harte hasn't enough to contend with on this day of all days when his beautiful daughter's violent death is all over the news again and here we have this self obsessed p***k attacking his managerial methods. Brolly is a bad man. Hides behind his Jolly Brolly persona but deep down he's a hateful, jealous, spiteful individual.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:26:14 PM
brolly is completely right on this one. i find it depressin watchin tyrone play so can only imagine how depressing training must be. harte out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on April 03, 2017, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 03, 2017, 09:16:17 PM
He's the GAA's Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins. As if Mickey Harte hasn't enough to contend with on this day of all days when his beautiful daughter's violent death is all over the news again and here we have this self obsessed p***k attacking his managerial methods. Brolly is a bad man. Hides behind his Jolly Brolly persona but deep down he's a hateful, jealous, spiteful individual.

Bit over the top, he's also a man who gave up an organ to help someone else live and raise awareness and funds for the same. I'm sure the timing of what he said about Harte was unfortunate and not premeditated
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 04, 2017, 07:04:00 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
YYYEEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/joe-brolly-claims-tyrone-player-told-him-county-training-is-depressing-784258.html
Although Joe has obsessively pursued a vendetta against the validity of sports psychologists in the GAA over these past month, he has now effortlessly  jumped on the sports psychology platform, voyeuristically claiming that fear, low morale, dreadful boredom and depression has completely enveloped Tyrone GAA.
I expect Mickey will announce a code red and conduct a good old fashioned purge in order to root out the babbling snitch ("one of their really, really good players" apparently).
In fairness that narrows it down a lot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 04, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Dick Clerkin on the Last Word.
"Matt, if you don't mind, I'd like to come back to that point on Joe Brolly. I would have serious exception to the likes of this going on. I've been seeing this for the last couple of years: Joe coming in with unnamed sources.

He did it with Armagh, with Tyrone, with Derry, with DCU. If Joe isn't going to name these guys, he can just put the pen down. It's very divisive, and it's very easy to say somebody picked up the phone without backing it u
p.

I'd put it to Joe, unless you start naming some of these guys, just maybe keep quiet for the time being."

Joe likes to portray the image that he's a confidant to the big stars who are happy to divulge secrets to him due to his near God like status in the GAA. The truth is though, the players probably see Joe as a bit of a two faced twat and I'd be surprised if anyone talks to him at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 03, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"

Do you think he's making this up? Have you been to a Senior Football training session recently? It'd bore you to tears very few managers know how to instil enjoyment into the game anymore!
Perhaps, but if you were one of Tyrone's top players and Joe Brolly asked you how training was going, would you tell him the truth?

I'd fill him full of nonsense in the knowledge that he'd have it in one of his columns.

Joe is highly trained and skilled at asking questions that suit his agenda and getting answers that do too. A young lad thinking Joe Brolly was on his side would be easy pickings.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Dick Clerkin on the Last Word.
"Matt, if you don't mind, I'd like to come back to that point on Joe Brolly. I would have serious exception to the likes of this going on. I've been seeing this for the last couple of years: Joe coming in with unnamed sources.

He did it with Armagh, with Tyrone, with Derry, with DCU. If Joe isn't going to name these guys, he can just put the pen down. It's very divisive, and it's very easy to say somebody picked up the phone without backing it u
p.

I'd put it to Joe, unless you start naming some of these guys, just maybe keep quiet for the time being."

Joe likes to portray the image that he's a confidant to the big stars who are happy to divulge secrets to him due to his near God like status in the GAA. The truth is though, the players probably see Joe as a bit of a two faced twat and I'd be surprised if anyone talks to him at this stage.

Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Never beat the deeler on April 04, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Dick Clerkin on the Last Word.
"Matt, if you don't mind, I'd like to come back to that point on Joe Brolly. I would have serious exception to the likes of this going on. I've been seeing this for the last couple of years: Joe coming in with unnamed sources.

He did it with Armagh, with Tyrone, with Derry, with DCU. If Joe isn't going to name these guys, he can just put the pen down. It's very divisive, and it's very easy to say somebody picked up the phone without backing it u
p.

I'd put it to Joe, unless you start naming some of these guys, just maybe keep quiet for the time being."

Joe likes to portray the image that he's a confidant to the big stars who are happy to divulge secrets to him due to his near God like status in the GAA. The truth is though, the players probably see Joe as a bit of a two faced twat and I'd be surprised if anyone talks to him at this stage.

Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

Yeah, I don't think Dick thought that one through. But that aside, I find it hard to believe that anyone would go to Joe Brolly for a sympathetic ear and him writing down every word. Joe has an uncanny knack of always hearing something that nobody can disprove, that happens to further an agenda of his
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 04, 2017, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Dick Clerkin on the Last Word.
"Matt, if you don't mind, I'd like to come back to that point on Joe Brolly. I would have serious exception to the likes of this going on. I've been seeing this for the last couple of years: Joe coming in with unnamed sources.

He did it with Armagh, with Tyrone, with Derry, with DCU. If Joe isn't going to name these guys, he can just put the pen down. It's very divisive, and it's very easy to say somebody picked up the phone without backing it u
p.

I'd put it to Joe, unless you start naming some of these guys, just maybe keep quiet for the time being."

Joe likes to portray the image that he's a confidant to the big stars who are happy to divulge secrets to him due to his near God like status in the GAA. The truth is though, the players probably see Joe as a bit of a two faced twat and I'd be surprised if anyone talks to him at this stage.

Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I think, like a lot of people, he's sick of Joe trying to give credibility to his stories by throwing in the "ah sure a really important person told me this in private" line. It's becoming beyond a joke at this stage. Joe is not a journalist, he is a pundit who is expresses strong opinions (mainly for attention) and passes them off as fact with that one line.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 04, 2017, 09:51:40 AM
Clerkin has being trying to call Brolly out for years now. Wants to engage him in a spat to launch/further his media career. Brolly, for once, has refused to engage as its obvious what Clerkins agenda is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 04, 2017, 09:52:39 AM
Brolly tries to back up his opinion by adding little stories about who he was chatting to recently. I for one don't believe he has been chatting anyone but he's willing to tell lies to add credibility to his tales. This is what makes him entertaining and worth listening to but he's not credible by any stretch. I think everyone accepts that at this stage.

Clerkin has had a go at Brolly on twitter about this stuff before. In fairness to Clerkin he has called it out, but of course Joe will never reveal his sources, not that they even exist anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 04, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
I think he was talking to his good pal Sean Cavanagh.  I can only imagine Joe was giving advice on being manlier in exchange for some Tyrone scoop.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Before Brolly made it onto the national media I remember meeting a few of his old Derry teammates one time in Quinns and they were telling me even back then how he loves the limelight and will do or say anything to get a rise for the craic and he especially loved winding up the Tyrone boys. (like many of here of course)

I feel that ever since he's got onto RTE and now the newspapers that he has a much larger platform to boost that ego and he really doesn't care who he upsets or what he says. He will dismiss it afterwards as "Ah sure it's just a bit of craic lads, chill out".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on April 04, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on April 03, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 03, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 03, 2017, 02:58:45 PM

Mickey can rest easy - he'll be back on Armagh next weekend!

I wonder would anyone just say to him "You know Joe, anyone with an ounce of wit thinks you're telling lies and make all these confidential stories up"

Do you think he's making this up? Have you been to a Senior Football training session recently? It'd bore you to tears very few managers know how to instil enjoyment into the game anymore!
Perhaps, but if you were one of Tyrone's top players and Joe Brolly asked you how training was going, would you tell him the truth?

I'd fill him full of nonsense in the knowledge that he'd have it in one of his columns.

Joe is highly trained and skilled at asking questions that suit his agenda and getting answers that do too. A young lad thinking Joe Brolly was on his side would be easy pickings.
Perhaps  you're right, or maybe even a young lad would see Joe coming and have a bit of craic with him.

I mean I was talking to a couple of lads on the panel and they told me the training sessions in Tyrone are very enjoyable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 04, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I was talking to a KGB double agent in Chadwicks on Thomas St. and he reckons Trump will get the boot before the end of the year.
He was in to get himself a heated towel rail.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on April 04, 2017, 12:44:21 PM
Don't know what all the hullabaloo is about.

Player(s) do not enjoy training!  

Wow never heard that being said before! :P

I thought that was the norm. Any player I've ever known, hated training.

It was always about playing (real) games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Subbie on April 05, 2017, 02:48:04 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 04, 2017, 09:51:40 AM
Clerkin has being trying to call Brolly out for years now. Wants to engage him in a spat to launch/further his media career. Brolly, for once, has refused to engage as its obvious what Clerkins agenda is.

Nail on head here.
Dick NEVER engages with anyone on the twitter unless they are a journo or a former or current county footballer.
It's quiet transparent what he is doing but if you are on Twitter throwing out your views on all things GAA at least engage with people who in almost all cases do so with respect and thought.

Dick clearly hankers after a biggerr slice of the media pie than he is currently getting and rightly or wrongly sees a Brolly "takedown" as the easiest conduit for this.

Brolly is an accomplished media operator with the oratorical skills to hold people no matter if they like him or not, usually not

Dick on the other hand , to me anyway , is better with a pen than a microphone. I get the feeling that Dick bows this and it rankles him more than a little.

In any case it is enjoyable watching Dick try his best to engineer a showdown!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 05, 2017, 07:41:33 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on April 05, 2017, 02:48:04 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 04, 2017, 09:51:40 AM
Clerkin has being trying to call Brolly out for years now. Wants to engage him in a spat to launch/further his media career. Brolly, for once, has refused to engage as its obvious what Clerkins agenda is.

Nail on head here.
Dick NEVER engages with anyone on the twitter unless they are a journo or a former or current county footballer.
It's quiet transparent what he is doing but if you are on Twitter throwing out your views on all things GAA at least engage with people who in almost all cases do so with respect and thought.

Dick clearly hankers after a biggerr slice of the media pie than he is currently getting and rightly or wrongly sees a Brolly "takedown" as the easiest conduit for this.

Brolly is an accomplished media operator with the oratorical skills to hold people no matter if they like him or not, usually not

Dick on the other hand , to me anyway , is better with a pen than a microphone. I get the feeling that Dick bows this and it rankles him more than a little.

In any case it is enjoyable watching Dick try his best to engineer a showdown!

Or maybe he's just calling bullshit on Brolly, which he is perfectly entitled to do.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 08:39:01 AM
Clerkin clearly desperate for a slice of the attention Brolly gets. Unfortunately for Dick he lacks the intelligence and wit which make Brolly so watchable (and readable), whether you agree with his opinions or not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:18:55 AM
Whatever about Clerkin's motivation, on this issue he's 100% correct.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 05, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

I think you're taking Joes stories a little too seriously. These are opinion pieces on an amateur sport, not watergate. As for the bit I highlighted, I really don't think Dick is qualified to give anyone advice here, and certainly not brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 05, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:18:55 AM
Whatever about Clerkin's motivation, on this issue he's 100% correct.

In what respect? That Joe should tell us who he has been talking to? Rubbish.

As people are realising more and more now, papers don't report fact. If someone doesn't have the intelligence to apply their own filter to everything they read, then they have bigger things to worry about than whether Joe actually was talking to someone in the Tyrone camp or not.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2017, 09:42:14 AM
Joe has everyone where he wants them.  He's not one of these "celebs" who depends on being liked for income.  He doesn't give one flyin fcuk about being liked.  His money's made, and he's now having a bit of craic winding everyone up, talking about GAA and getting a few beer tokens for the pleasure (what's not to like!).  And he's having a whale of a time at it.  Like him or not, ye're all talking about him.  And as haranguerer said, most of you are taking him far too seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 05, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:18:55 AM
Whatever about Clerkin's motivation, on this issue he's 100% correct.

In what respect? That Joe should tell us who he has been talking to? Rubbish.

As people are realising more and more now, papers don't report fact. If someone doesn't have the intelligence to apply their own filter to everything they read, then they have bigger things to worry about than whether Joe actually was talking to someone in the Tyrone camp or not.

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
He is a creep
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on April 05, 2017, 11:07:29 AM
I was chatting a Tyrone player who said training was grand. I asked about who might have been chatting Brolly. He didn't know but said it must have been one of the lads that don't enjoy training.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 11:34:51 AM
One of the subs I bet.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
Lol at demanding he should stop saying he met people. Wise up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
Lol at demanding he should stop saying he met people. Wise up.

;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 05, 2017, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Before Brolly made it onto the national media I remember meeting a few of his old Derry teammates one time in Quinns and they were telling me even back then how he loves the limelight and will do or say anything to get a rise for the craic and he especially loved winding up the Tyrone boys. (like many of here of course)

I feel that ever since he's got onto RTE and now the newspapers that he has a much larger platform to boost that ego and he really doesn't care who he upsets or what he says. He will dismiss it afterwards as "Ah sure it's just a bit of craic lads, chill out".
That's basically it. He loves the attention.
He does have a couple of themes that he keeps watered as well.
And at the end of the day the RTE stuff is mostly nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 05, 2017, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think

;D

You're taking the man way too seriously if you're resorting to this kinda nonsense
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
"the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think"

Lol, what a clown, Brolly clearly gotten under his skin.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2017, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think

Lol... settle petal...  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 03:51:15 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
"the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think"

Lol, what a clown, Brolly clearly gotten under his skin.

He is right though, if brolly is willing to go low!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 05, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."


There is one on the Ormeau Road in Belfast where you will regularly find Joe especially on a Saturday morning for late breakfast.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 04:54:49 PM
It's all gone a bit 3am girls in here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 05, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."

That's the thing. Every other column and every other Sunday Game appearance, he is bringing up some person, player, manager, former player or team that gave him some "unique" insight into the state of the game. None of these stories can ever be verified. I have long, long since stopped believing him, if I ever did in the first place.

At some stage, his editor should be doing his job, and getting him to put his money where his mouth is and name and shame, or just shut up. I just don't believe a word out of his mouth anymrore. Every other GAA journalist out there (both the former players/managers and "proper" journalists) are able to get their point across, without having to resort to all this makey uppy tittle tattle, week in and week out. If Brolly isn't able to see how much it is cheapening his articles, his editor should be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Other people do - that's the issue.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 05, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."

That's the thing. Every other column and every other Sunday Game appearance, he is bringing up some person, player, manager, former player or team that gave him some "unique" insight into the state of the game. None of these stories can ever be verified. I have long, long since stopped believing him, if I ever did in the first place.

At some stage, his editor should be doing his job, and getting him to put his money where his mouth is and name and shame, or just shut up. I just don't believe a word out of his mouth anymrore. Every other GAA journalist out there (both the former players/managers and "proper" journalists) are able to get their point across, without having to resort to all this makey uppy tittle tattle, week in and week out. If Brolly isn't able to see how much it is cheapening his articles, his editor should be.

With the amount of interest Brolly generates from his articles, I'd say his editor would be perfectly happy from him to continue exactly as he has been.  Even take this forum as a guide.  Has there been a thread about any other journalist/pundit that's even made 20 pages, never mind 200?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)

As for his editors being happy at all the controversial chatter he generates....fair enough. But If I wanted to read that kind of shite, I'd just go out and buy a tabloid rag.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)

As for his editors being happy at all the controversial chatter he generates....fair enough. But If I wanted to read that kind of shite, I'd just go out and buy a tabloid rag.

Why read the articles if they annoy you so much?  You've said that "Every other GAA journalist out there" can get their point across without resorting to the things that cause you such angst so just read their articles instead.  Seems weird that you would voluntarily subject yourself to such mental torture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.

Benny, could you tell me whose reputation exactly is being impacted by this latest article?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.

Benny, could you tell me whose reputation exactly is being impacted by this latest article?

The 3 or 4 lads whose names have been posted around various social media as the possible "moles"!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 06, 2017, 11:59:20 AM
The really good ones, naturally. He sounds like Trump.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on April 06, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
I like him and I like reading his stuff it is what its supposed to be sensationalist journalism, there's enough out there trying to walk the line and not offend anyone, at least Joes stuff there's a bit of colour to it. Of course hes the one adding alot of the colour but it gets a good conversation going.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 06, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
Great fella. Tyronies needa chill out!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.

Benny, could you tell me whose reputation exactly is being impacted by this latest article?

The 3 or 4 lads whose names have been posted around various social media as the possible "moles"!

I doubt if any of those fellas will be too bothered where they stand reputationally in the eyes of anyone who believes that shite.  I can't see Mickey Harte attaching too much significance to the latest tweets.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.

Benny, could you tell me whose reputation exactly is being impacted by this latest article?

The 3 or 4 lads whose names have been posted around various social media as the possible "moles"!

I doubt if any of those fellas will be too bothered where they stand reputationally in the eyes of anyone who believes that shite.  I can't see Mickey Harte attaching too much significance to the latest tweets.

Maybe not but they shouldn't have to deal with gossip about them just because Brolly decides he wants a bit of publicity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.

But Brolly has given them the oxygen. If he hadn't made that claim in the national press then it wouldn't even be an issue. People in a position of influence should accept that their words can provide ammunition for morons to do what they do!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 06, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.

But Brolly has given them the oxygen. If he hadn't made that claim in the national press then it wouldn't even be an issue. People in a position of influence should accept that their words can provide ammunition for morons to do what they do!

He talked about Martin McGuinness there a few weeks back I think we should blame the Troubles on him as well!!

Funny you're not talking about the tweets from Tyrone fans agreeing with him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.

But Brolly has given them the oxygen. If he hadn't made that claim in the national press then it wouldn't even be an issue. People in a position of influence should accept that their words can provide ammunition for morons to do what they do!

1.
You are making the assumption that he's telling fibs.  If he's telling the truth would you suggest he just not write about it?

2.
You've lost the run of yourself ("ammunition" - seriously  ;D).  True or not, the story is based around some young fella telling him that Tyrone training was boring.  Brolly wrote a story about it.  You'd think children were dying on the streets!  Reality check needed here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 06, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
Agree with Franko here, bit of perspective needed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.

But Brolly has given them the oxygen. If he hadn't made that claim in the national press then it wouldn't even be an issue. People in a position of influence should accept that their words can provide ammunition for morons to do what they do!

1.
You are making the assumption that he's telling fibs.  If he's telling the truth would you suggest he just not write about it?

2.
You've lost the run of yourself ("ammunition" - seriously  ;D).  True or not, the story is based around some young fella telling him that Tyrone training was boring.  Brolly wrote a story about it.  You'd think children were dying on the streets!  Reality check needed here.

1. It doesn't matter if he's telling the truth or not. He hasn't provided any evidence other than a mystery conversation and it's taken as fact in some quarters. The claim by Declan Bonner that the Tyrone minor was sledging about a lads late father was never proven yet the kid took dogs abuse online and in real life. So people in a position of influence have no responsibility for their words or is it just all a big laugh? If Joe is so sure on his assumption that all isn't well in the Tyrone camp, because that is what he is implying, then provide the evidence and write away!

2. Ffs, the word ammunition is a figure of speech!  ::) Why did Jim McGuinness chuck Kevin Cassidy off the Donegal squad? Joe knows exactly what the impact of a lad speaking negatively  to someone outside the team "circle" would have on a squad. Of course it's not life or death, who said it was? Why debate anything if there's no passion involved, but it is the Cult of Joe attitude to write all controversy off as a bit of a laugh. You're clearly a fully paid up member!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on April 06, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 06, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I think you're directing the anger at the wrong person here.  Brolly is 100% NOT to blame for brandishing these names about.  That's the same morons you described earlier.

But Brolly has given them the oxygen. If he hadn't made that claim in the national press then it wouldn't even be an issue. People in a position of influence should accept that their words can provide ammunition for morons to do what they do!

1.
You are making the assumption that he's telling fibs.  If he's telling the truth would you suggest he just not write about it?

2.
You've lost the run of yourself ("ammunition" - seriously  ;D).  True or not, the story is based around some young fella telling him that Tyrone training was boring.  Brolly wrote a story about it.  You'd think children were dying on the streets!  Reality check needed here.

1. It doesn't matter if he's telling the truth or not. He hasn't provided any evidence other than a mystery conversation and it's taken as fact in some quarters. The claim by Declan Bonner that the Tyrone minor was sledging about a lads late father was never proven yet the kid took dogs abuse online and in real life. So people in a position of influence have no responsibility for their words or is it just all a big laugh? If Joe is so sure on his assumption that all isn't well in the Tyrone camp, because that is what he is implying, then provide the evidence and write away!

2. Ffs, the word ammunition is a figure of speech!  ::) Why did Jim McGuinness chuck Kevin Cassidy off the Donegal squad? Joe knows exactly what the impact of a lad speaking negatively  to someone outside the team "circle" would have on a squad. Of course it's not life or death, who said it was? Why debate anything if there's no passion involved, but it is the Cult of Joe attitude to write all controversy off as a bit of a laugh. You're clearly a fully paid up member!


The only evidence he could provide would be to name the person who told him.  At that stage he would be at risk of doing what you were so afraid of initially - damaging someone's reputation.

Secondly, I'll repeat.  The source said (or didn't say) that TRAINING WAS BORING.  Big f**king deal.  You can't compare that to sledging someone over the death of their father.  Your choice of example shows how much you've lost the plot over this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 06, 2017, 05:01:10 PM
Jesus Benny go paint the fence or something!

You teachers and too much time ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 06, 2017, 05:01:10 PM
Jesus Benny go paint the fence or something!

You teachers and too much time ;)

Walt, It's hard work having all this spare time, sure I've lost the plot and it's only week 1 of the Easter holidays ;)

Franko, what did Kevin Cassidy say that got him chucked off the Donegal squad? It was no big deal but it caused a fair old amount of ructions in Donegal. If it is true and the player has spoken to Joe, then it could cause a few problems in the squad. Not ideal in the lead up to a championship.

I wasn't comparing it to the sledging, I was comparing the impact of making unsubstantiated claims in the public domain. At least having a bit of passion about your own county is justified, I'd wonder why you are "f**kin" swearing over the issue.....with no vested interest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
It's easy for most people to laugh it off and say yeah sure don't take Brolly too seriously but that's fine when he isn't always picking on your team. He's fairly pissed off a lot of Mayo & Kerry fans and players over the last few years.

He's always had a dislike for Tyrone which of course you can understand as he played for Derry but what bothers me the most is he now uses his new found fame over the last number of years to continually bad mouth Tyrone as much as he can. The way he disrespected Sean Cavanagh and then a week or so afterwards gave a false private apology when the harm was all done. Why did he not say publicly on TSG that he was out of order and wrong.
He doesn't seem to give a damn who he pisses off or what he says about anyone and that includes his own family as I've heard him say things about his own sister that was a disgrace but in his eyes sure its just for the craic.

I'd say Brolly is fed up watching the way Tyrone play the game so defensively and so he'd love to start a row among Tyrone people to get Harte ousted and for their to be a change. Lots of Tyrone fans would agree with him in a way of course and by the sounds of things he's already had an influence there but I would say this is all his own made up story. There is no way any player would approach Brolly with such a story but why would the truth get in the way of a good story.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 06, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
It's easy for most people to laugh it off and say yeah sure don't take Brolly too seriously but that's fine when he isn't always picking on your team. He's fairly pissed off a lot of Mayo & Kerry fans and players over the last few years.

He's always had a dislike for Tyrone which of course you can understand as he played for Derry but what bothers me the most is he now uses his new found fame over the last number of years to continually bad mouth Tyrone as much as he can. The way he disrespected Sean Cavanagh and then a week or so afterwards gave a false private apology when the harm was all done. Why did he not say publicly on TSG that he was out of order and wrong.
He doesn't seem to give a damn who he pisses off or what he says about anyone and that includes his own family as I've heard him say things about his own sister that was a disgrace but in his eyes sure its just for the craic.

I'd say Brolly is fed up watching the way Tyrone play the game so defensively and so he'd love to start a row among Tyrone people to get Harte ousted and for their to be a change. Lots of Tyrone fans would agree with him in a way of course and by the sounds of things he's already had an influence there but I would say this is all his own made up story. There is no way any player would approach Brolly with such a story but why would the truth get in the way of a good story.

Yeah, he sure seems to have an obsession with all things Tyrone but that wasn't always the case. Back in 2008, after the Ai, he he made some very sweeping predictions about how good Tyrone was ans how there was nobody in the land that would catch them for years to come. (This was in the Irish News, IIRC)
Brolly reckoned that with the money flowing in fropm the GFA, Tyrone has a very sound development structure and that the stream oof good underage players coming through would keep the ahead of everyone else for the foreseeable futuree.
Well, not for the first time, poor Joe turned out to be speaking through his anal orifice but that hasn't stopped him shout his size 12 mouth off on everything and anything that he fancies to enlighten the rest of us poor mortals about.
I never thought too much of him, good or bad, until an Ulster final some years ago. Monaghan were playing and a few days before the game, Tommy Freeman, a roofer by trade, had a serious accident at work. He drove a hilti nail through his hand but turned out to play with his arm heavily strapped.
Brolly went into overdrive from start to finish poking fun at Freeman and whenever he took a free or attempted a pass, Brolly made some smart comment such as sneering that he'd better be more accurate than he was when he put the nail through his hand.  To their credit, nobody else in the studio paid any attention to his wisecracks though he tried his damndest to get a response.
He seems to be a complex, very much Jekyll & Hyde, character but for me, his need to seek attention by running others down put him in the w**kers category.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 08:49:52 PM
You've nailed it Lar
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on April 06, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
Absolutely, brolly's a complete w*nker. Not sure why anyone listens to him, the occasional bit of sense is buried under a mountain of self serving bullsh*t. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 06, 2017, 09:29:43 PM

Pretty much what Lar said
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 07, 2017, 10:21:34 AM
Heard Brolly is involved in tbe background with Derry U21s. Can any Derry folk confirm?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
Make your own mind up by listening to him on last Friday's off the ball podcast where he was licking the ass of the Crossmaglen ones.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen)


About 2/3 of the way in he's chatting about punditry and how it's not to be taken seriously and that RTE and SKY won't let you speak your mind and he's been told to try to be a bit more positive about games.
He goes on to say it shouldn't be about winning but be about entertainment and to me that's the nub of the problem. Managers and players want to win over and above everything else whereas fans from neutral counties want to see a good entertaining match.

When you're a fan of a team that is winning ugly you will put up with the style of play but when you lose it's harder to take.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 07, 2017, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2017, 10:21:34 AM
Heard Brolly is involved in tbe background with Derry U21s. Can any Derry folk confirm?
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2017, 10:21:34 AM
Heard Brolly is involved in tbe background with Derry U21s. Can any Derry folk confirm?

Don't believe so. It's Fergal P McCusker, Enda Muldoon and a few others as far as I know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 07, 2017, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
Make your own mind up by listening to him on last Friday's off the ball podcast where he was licking the ass of the Crossmaglen ones.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen)


About 2/3 of the way in he's chatting about punditry and how it's not to be taken seriously and that RTE and SKY won't let you speak your mind and he's been told to try to be a bit more positive about games.
He goes on to say it shouldn't be about winning but be about entertainment and to me that's the nub of the problem. Managers and players want to win over and above everything else whereas fans from neutral counties want to see a good entertaining match.

When you're a fan of a team that is winning ugly you will put up with the style of play but when you lose it's harder to take.


I agree that the importance of winning at the expense of entertainment is a big problem with GAA today. The win at any cost mentality has contributed to negative defensive tactics as well as an increase in cowardly stuff like slabbering and cynical play.

It's so widespread that even supporters will try and justify appalling behaviour from players in the teams the support. A lot of the Tyrone antics come to mind here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on April 07, 2017, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
Make your own mind up by listening to him on last Friday's off the ball podcast where he was licking the ass of the Crossmaglen ones.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen)


About 2/3 of the way in he's chatting about punditry and how it's not to be taken seriously and that RTE and SKY won't let you speak your mind and he's been told to try to be a bit more positive about games.
He goes on to say it shouldn't be about winning but be about entertainment and to me that's the nub of the problem. Managers and players want to win over and above everything else whereas fans from neutral counties want to see a good entertaining match.

When you're a fan of a team that is winning ugly you will put up with the style of play but when you lose it's harder to take.

Started listening to it but skipped the brolly bit. The rest of the podcast is interesting though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 07, 2017, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 07, 2017, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
Make your own mind up by listening to him on last Friday's off the ball podcast where he was licking the ass of the Crossmaglen ones.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen (http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen)


About 2/3 of the way in he's chatting about punditry and how it's not to be taken seriously and that RTE and SKY won't let you speak your mind and he's been told to try to be a bit more positive about games.
He goes on to say it shouldn't be about winning but be about entertainment and to me that's the nub of the problem. Managers and players want to win over and above everything else whereas fans from neutral counties want to see a good entertaining match.

When you're a fan of a team that is winning ugly you will put up with the style of play but when you lose it's harder to take.


I agree that the importance of winning at the expense of entertainment is a big problem with GAA today. The win at any cost mentality has contributed to negative defensive tactics as well as an increase in cowardly stuff like slabbering and cynical play.

It's so widespread that even supporters will try and justify appalling behaviour from players in the teams the support. A lot of the Tyrone antics come to mind here.
The 1992/3/94 all Irelands were a snoozefest.  There was hardly a decent forward in form made it to Croke Park those years. 91 was brilliant. 90 was poor, 95 was poor. 96 was great, 97 was poor, 98 was cracking, 99 was poor, 2000 was great, 2001 was good, 2002 was good, 2003 was good, 2004 was a w/o, 2005 was the best year ever, 2006 was a w/o, 2007 was a w/o 2008 was good, 2009 was a w/o, 2010 was grand, 2011 was good, 2012 was grand, 2013 was poor, 2014 was poor, 2015 was good, 2016 was good. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 07, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
The finals may not have been great but there were more watchable games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2017, 05:29:02 PM
94 mickey linden, 93 colin corkery (brolly wasn't in bad form either) , 92 tony boyle and even vinny murphy were on form.

They also were decent enough in those years.

Most years you can tell very quickly who will win the game but those years weren't the same.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hereiam on April 09, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Brolly on fine form tonight :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo Border on April 09, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Brolly is a tool
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2017, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on April 09, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Brolly on fine form tonight :)
Embarrassed himself again but it doesn't matter so long as the people are talking about him. A total attention seeker  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 09, 2017, 10:42:14 PM

What's this week's jackanory?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on April 09, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
The  reality  on CC :

2002 :  a skinny 19 year old starved on ball in last 20.

2003 ;  Kerry swamped by Tyrone , blame a 20 year old corner forward .

2005 ; CC played well .  Tyrone were better and he say little ball .  Kerry tactics poor TBH .

2008 ;  Kerry tactics utter nuts . CC by passed by a litany of high balls . Tyrone read the script well .  CC utterly unblameable .

2011 ;  Kerry gassed in last 15 v Dubs as still blew it . CC played well .

2012 ; v Donegal :  CC was poor in a team well beaten .

2013 ;  CC outstanding in first half .  He did OK in second on utter scraps as Dublin lorded midfield .

2015 ; he was finished .





Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: ashman on April 09, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
The  reality  on CC :

2002 :  a skinny 19 year old starved on ball in last 20.

2003 ;  Kerry swamped by Tyrone , blame a 20 year old corner forward .

2005 ; CC played well .  Tyrone were better and he say little ball .  Kerry tactics poor TBH .

2008 ;  Kerry tactics utter nuts . CC by passed by a litany of high balls . Tyrone read the script well .  CC utterly unblameable .

2011 ;  Kerry gassed in last 15 v Dubs as still blew it . CC played well .

2012 ; v Donegal :  CC was poor in a team well beaten .

2013 ;  CC outstanding in first half .  He did OK in second on utter scraps as Dublin lorded midfield .

2015 ; he was finished .

Gooch kicked 0-4 in 2005 and set up a goal if my memory serves me correctly. He kicked 0-6 in 2008.

Just as a random comparison of a player playing a similar position......Joe Brolly kicked 0-1 v Dublin in the semi final in 1993 and 0-1 in the final v Cork. (He failed to score in the Ulster final that year - maybe it was a bit wet for him that day). In his only other appearance at All Ireland level in 1998 he failed to score in the semi final v Galway. I wonder how he would judge himself based on his own, big game criteria?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on April 09, 2017, 11:38:04 PM
Any career can be assessed against losses :  an overhyped choker like Henry Shefflin was poor on 1999 final .  He beat a bad OFfaly team in 2000 .  Didn't perform in last 10 mins v Galway in 2001 . Was on the field in 2004 when they lost to cork .  Hell he couldn't look after his cruciate in 2010 v Kilkenny in 2010 . Shefflin was some choker too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on April 10, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
It really takes a remarkable talent in self obsession to turn a story about the retirement of Colm Cooper into a debate about yourself, but Brolly possesses that ability.  He just couldn't handle the fact that for one moment, he wasn't centre of attention, so swiftly moved to remedy that.  The facts of course are that Colm O'Rourke operated in a different era before blanket defences, sweepers etc, was  an excellent footballer but his era was a one on one contest.  Gooch suffered at times from a lack of quality ball into the corner, helped but the man beside him and the man in front of him and the third man whose job it was to take him out whenever he could.  Fitzmaurice moved him from poacher to playmaker and he won another All Ireland and an Allstar at centre half forward after completely reinventing himself.
We need to remember that at the back of it all, Brolly knows nothing really about football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 10, 2017, 08:55:13 AM

That's it summarised perfectly. An eloquent, self absorbed Robbie savage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on April 10, 2017, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
It really takes a remarkable talent in self obsession to turn a story about the retirement of Colm Cooper into a debate about yourself, but Brolly possesses that ability.  He just couldn't handle the fact that for one moment, he wasn't centre of attention, so swiftly moved to remedy that.  The facts of course are that Colm O'Rourke operated in a different era before blanket defences, sweepers etc, was  an excellent footballer but his era was a one on one contest.  Gooch suffered at times from a lack of quality ball into the corner, helped but the man beside him and the man in front of him and the third man whose job it was to take him out whenever he could.  Fitzmaurice moved him from poacher to playmaker and he won another All Ireland and an Allstar at centre half forward after completely reinventing himself.
We need to remember that at the back of it all, Brolly knows nothing really about football.

Sorry, He never won an AI in that role!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 10, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
Brolly's recent comments are suspiciously similar to the opinions of a couple of the WUMs on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 10, 2017, 10:29:23 AM
Brolly is a charlatan and people here are worse for giving him oxegen.
but At least i dont have to pay any of you €160 a year to ignore your opinions
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on April 10, 2017, 10:30:04 AM
Is Brolly not just talking in terms of the 'best ever' debate?

Saying someone isn't the best ever, or not as good as some of those rated amongst the best ever, is a long long way from saying he was shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
On this matter Brolly was right. The commentary on Gooch was way OTT during the week. Factually I don't think there was very much wrong with what he said but O'Se was understandably obviously going to stick up for his mate whilst Whelan and Lyster took the populist approach and dismissed Brolly completely. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 10, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
The coverage of his retirement is a separate issue to his overall legacy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2017, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 10, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
On this matter Brolly was right. The commentary on Gooch was way OTT during the week. Factually I don't think there was very much wrong with what he said but O'Se was understandably obviously going to stick up for his mate whilst Whelan and Lyster took the populist approach and dismissed Brolly completely.

I agree it was over the top and he has a point with the criticism of Gooch but he took it too far in the paper and last night. You'd think the Gooch had gone completely missing in those games he mentioned which wasn't true.

He was correct to slaughter Galway and Kildare for that first half performance but then completely ignored the fact that Galway went far more direct in the 2nd half and kicked 12 points with 11 of them from play.

Brolly will once again be delighted as we're all discussing him this morning.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 10, 2017, 04:34:05 PM
https://www.facebook.com/TheSundayGame/videos/1011811675619646/ (https://www.facebook.com/TheSundayGame/videos/1011811675619646/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: snoopdog on April 10, 2017, 07:56:03 PM
God forbid anyone had a different opinion to the D4 media machine. I dont neccesarily agree with Brolly but how boring a world would it be if everyone had the same opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 10, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 10, 2017, 07:56:03 PM
God forbid anyone had a different opinion to the D4 media machine. I dont neccesarily agree with Brolly but how boring a world would it be if everyone had the same opinion.
(Imo) the issue is not about opinions per se, everybody has them and none are the same. One of  Joe's issues is his obsessive compulsive disorder about that his opinion is the best, is the truth, must be headlined on the Sunday sports panel and the Indo, every other opinion is wrong and must be contradicted to the nth degree. Even if there's not actually much difference in opinions, he will magnify the difference to crisis proportions to prove his opinion is the right one.
As Tomás observed, it then becomes such an tangled obsession that he even contradicts himself inside the same argument.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2017, 09:36:49 AM
Thought Michael Lyster was poor - no matter what Brolly or the others opinions are he's just there to chair a fair debate and keep them discussing - not force an opinion on someone just because he doesn't agree with it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 11, 2017, 09:37:53 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2017, 09:36:49 AM
Thought Michael Lyster was poor - no matter what Brolly or the others opinions are he's just there to chair a fair debate and keep them discussing - not force an opinion on someone just because he doesn't agree with it.

Lyster is always anti Brolly. Ever since he insulted his wee chum Marty!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on April 11, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: ashman on April 09, 2017, 11:38:04 PM
Any career can be assessed against losses :  an overhyped choker like Henry Shefflin was poor on 1999 final .  He beat a bad OFfaly team in 2000 .  Didn't perform in last 10 mins v Galway in 2001 . Was on the field in 2004 when they lost to cork .  Hell he couldn't look after his cruciate in 2010 v Kilkenny in 2010 . Shefflin was some choker too.

Yip, he choked that much he almost single handedly took the battle to Galway in 2012 when his team mates were all struggling, he's the ultimate choker is Henry........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 11, 2017, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 11, 2017, 09:36:49 AM
Thought Michael Lyster was poor - no matter what Brolly or the others opinions are he's just there to chair a fair debate and keep them discussing - not force an opinion on someone just because he doesn't agree with it.

I like Lyster, he is normally an excellent presenter but I agree with your opinion in this instance. It is not his job to come down on either side but rather provoke debate. I could imagine if Bill O'Herlihy, who was a master presenter, was in the same situation, he would have smiled and got some more air time out of the debate. He certainly wouldn't have been offering up an opinion. It was the very reason that Spillane was an absolute disaster in the role for a short period.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
Brolly had a dig at Lyster at the start about his Galway bias and you could see he was annoyed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Spillane isn't smart enough to be a presenter which is why the experiment was abandoned. He never made it past deputy principal . He is a football legend however.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
Brolly had a dig at Lyster at the start about his Galway bias and you could see he was annoyed.

Lyster wasn't impressed although didn't think he was too annoyed but seemed intent on getting a dig in on Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2017, 12:43:41 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
Brolly had a dig at Lyster at the start about his Galway bias and you could see he was annoyed.

Lyster wasn't impressed although didn't think he was too annoyed but seemed intent on getting a dig in on Brolly.

Brolly would get a rise out if a saint, you can hardly blame Lyster.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 12, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
It's like clockwork. Brolly says something as the league finishes that gets tongues wagging before the SFC so people tune in to see what the Dungiven kisser has to say in May.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 12, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Spillane isn't smart enough to be a presenter which is why the experiment was abandoned. He never made it past deputy principal . He is a football legend however.
Being a presenter isn't about smartness. Pat is smart enough but he just isn't a smooth suave presenter, like 99.99% of us
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 12, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Spillane isn't smart enough to be a presenter which is why the experiment was abandoned. He never made it past deputy principal . He is a football legend however.
Being a presenter isn't about smartness. Pat is smart enough but he just isn't a smooth suave presenter, like 99.99% of us

I don't have a word of Irish but I can still tell that Dara Ó Cinnéide on Seó Spóirt is a real presenter not a shouty, see me like Brolly who has to talk down everyone.  What a pity his show has been cancelled while Brolly continues to reign on RTE.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dara-ó-cinnéide-disappointed-at-the-end-of-seó-spóirt-on-tg4-1.2967880 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dara-%C3%B3-cinn%C3%A9ide-disappointed-at-the-end-of-se%C3%B3-sp%C3%B3irt-on-tg4-1.2967880)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 12, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Spillane isn't smart enough to be a presenter which is why the experiment was abandoned. He never made it past deputy principal . He is a football legend however.
Being a presenter isn't about smartness. Pat is smart enough but he just isn't a smooth suave presenter, like 99.99% of us

I don't have a word of Irish but I can still tell that Dara Ó Cinnéide on Seó Spóirt is a real presenter not a shouty, see me like Brolly who has to talk down everyone.  What a pity his show has been cancelled while Brolly continues to reign on RTE.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dara-ó-cinnéide-disappointed-at-the-end-of-seó-spóirt-on-tg4-1.2967880 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dara-%C3%B3-cinn%C3%A9ide-disappointed-at-the-end-of-se%C3%B3-sp%C3%B3irt-on-tg4-1.2967880)
Brolly's not a presenter and hasn't yet been mentioned in the context of being a presenter, that would be akin to a Father Jack taking over the parish.
How do you think the loquacious Dara would do presenting the Sunday Game?
Personally, I don't think the genial Lyster is a/the problem but at times he should just be more firm reining in Joe. I wonder is it his call to have Joe there or is that coming from elsewhere? I don't mind having the same presenter, it's the pundit predictability that's the death of any interesting panel discussion and for that reason the SG is a better place without Colm and Pat as permanent residents.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Thy Kingdom Come on April 13, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.

Except for when Brolly mouths off about O' Rourke's failed Celtic Tiger investments on the Sunday Game!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 13, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Was it not Colm O'Rourke that said Dooher was useless, and if he won an All Ireland he (Colm) would 'eat his hat'?

That's fairly headliney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Good point well made.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 13, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 13, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Was it not Colm O'Rourke that said Dooher was useless, and if he won an All Ireland he (Colm) would 'eat his hat'?

That's fairly headliney.

I can't even remember the context to this. I assume it was 2002? Why was he having a personal dig at Dooher, especially when he clearly has no knowledge of what he was about as a player? Really poor stuff from O'Rourke! His "you'll never win anything with kids" moment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 13, 2017, 04:04:04 PM
Keeping a tighter reign on Joe is near impossible as the man is such a loose cannon.
I've watched him on several platforms and it's just not possible to contain the man as he continually takes over the show. He doesn't listen to others opinions and often talks over people and wont let them have their say.

The famous rant after the Sean Cavanagh tackle sums the man up in my eyes where he really went OTT and couldn't understand how the others were defending that Cavanagh did what any other player would do. He then doesn't let the other lads speak and keeps telling Lyster to Hold on, hold on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQyAuErSVI

Look at Brolly's face at the end of this video and O'Rourke's smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNMNRl__zg
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on April 13, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.

Wise up you clown just because your county are now irrelevant.

Every top level forward at club or county include brolly knows how to win a free and have done it at some point. With regards fouling what are you on about? the one pull down of mc manus by any chance? Really going back there? anyone would have done it.

Brolly uses his position to slate players who are held in high regard, its all about his ego.

For him to question someone as a man for a foul on a football pitch then behave like he has in real life says it all really. be proud Derry
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on April 13, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.
Colm gives a predictable honest opinion.


Is whoever Brolly has any respect for, a dubious honour or a dubious shame? :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 13, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.

Except for when Brolly mouths off about O' Rourke's failed Celtic Tiger investments on the Sunday Game!

I'm sure Colm elbowed him in the kidney afterwards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on April 13, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 13, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer

Master of grabbing the defenders arm and falls to ground. Refs fall for it always.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 13, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 13, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer

Master of grabbing the defenders arm and falls to ground. Refs fall for it always.
He's also Lord of the Dance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2017, 06:42:14 PM
 

Pádraic Joyce: Give me analysis over opinion any day
County , Dublin GAA , Galway GAA , Kerry GAA and Kildare GAA | Thu Apr 13 08:56:12 IST 2017
"Is the @LeagueSundayRTE and @TheSundayGame not for ANALYSING games ..? All we are getting is opinions. #RTEGAA"
 
I wouldn't be a great man for the auld social media but this tweet I put up last Sunday night generated a few likes, so clearly I said what others were thinking. I prefer analysis to opinion, and I think a lot of GAA people don't even watch it at this point.
I wanted some insight into the decision to take off Cian O'Sullivan, and why Dublin put on Kevin McManamon and Michael Darragh Macauley after taking off the centre-back and Ciaran Reddin. How did Kerry stop O'Sullivan having such an influence on the game? Jim Gavin made the bold substitution in a bid to win the game which nearly paid off as UCD Student Mannion contributed 1-2 from play.

The Dubs gave away seven frees midway through the second half and Philly McMahon was twice reduced to panic tackles - with a closed fist on one occasion - and O'Sullivan also gave away a free for a pull of the jersey right in front of the goals. The bottom line was that the Kingdom had put the All-Ireland champions under huge pressure and it was telling. The Dubs were panicking, giving away easy frees and easy ball.
 
Dublin handpassed and kicked away some easy ball which were taken full advantage of. Kerry came with a more attacking mindset but they played on the edge too. Jonathan Lyne was black-carded for hauling down Diarmiud Connolly but I felt it could have been red: it was high and dangerous. We got no analysis into the role Peter Crowley played, who in my opinion was the best player on the pitch. He was immense in defence, and then getting up and down the field supporting his forwards all day.
 
Bernard Brogan didn't shine for Dublin last Sunday but I am a firm believer that you are only as good as the ball coming into you. Bernard was well shackled but the quality of ball into him was terrible, he had no chance.
 
Ciaran Kilkenny doesn't kick enough of the ball he gets, he is handpassing 80% of it laterally or backwards; so how can inside forwards operate when you have a middle third man not supplying quick early ball inside? Ciaran got huge praise last year on the 'Sunday Game' for handling the ball 37 times against Dublin but what they failed to analyse was that 30 of those balls were hand passed backwards or sideways. Another game, for the record, in which Brogan was taken off. 

The Dublin inside forwards simply didn't get early ball and this is also due to the pressure Kerry put on around the middle third. Kerry also on occasions pushed up to great effect which meant Stephen Cluxton had to kick 50-50 kickouts and David Moran profited big time.
The week leading into the game, Eamonn Fitzmaurice came out in the media talking about an orchestrated campaign against Lee Keegan last year which had an influence on his black card in the final replay. I agree on this point, because Keegan didn't deserve to get the line, and perhaps it was a case of evening it up after Jonny Cooper had been put off.

The ex-Dubs were out in force in the media then and even Paul Curran after the league game in Tralee saying Kerry were guilty of "shameful" play. Fitzmaurice had to level the playing field, I'm 100% behind him on that. It shows his players too that they're all paddling in the one direction when their manager goes public in support of them. Tomas and Darragh O Se and Bomber Liston all write articles in the media and none of them were throwing curve balls in Dublin's direction when they had the platform. Fitzmaurice is a great GAA man, he was a tough uncompromising centre-back with a great football brain. I came across him a few times in my career and he'd always be first over to shake your hand after; whatever went on during the game was left on the pitch.
 
The GAA needs characters like Joe Brolly. I'm not trying to draw Joe Brolly onto me! After all, he is a more academically qualified and a more intelligent gentleman than I will ever be! But I can't not mention him going on about the Gooch. Northern teams such as Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh always had two men around him and another one watching, unlike Cork and Mayo. That has to be understood. When did you ever see any forward kick 1-4 or five points from play against those aforementioned teams in their heyday?
 
I once got a rise out of Joe by reminding him of the 1998 All-Ireland semi-final against us, he was taken off well before the final whistle sounded because Tomas Mannion had him in his pocket from the first minute. He was giving me guff one night after a charity game and I said "Joe, I'll get Tomas Mannion after you..!" which quietened him! I always remember the camera panning to Joe just after half-time and he's on the bench rubbing his head, whereas he'd been off blowing kisses to the crowd in Clones just a few weeks earlier after big Geoffrey McGonigle handed him one on a plate. So I am just not sure Joe is so qualified to give such a heavily-weighted opinion about the Gooch not scoring against these teams when he will be hard pressed to name someone who did. Sometimes, if you have nothing positive to say in certain situations, you are better off saying nothing at all.

One cost-saving measure that RTE should look at is this: the next time they use Joe, they would be better off getting him on alone as the people on with him rarely get a word in anyway. Even when Joe talked about the Galway-Kildare league final, he just dismissed it as a terrible game. Now, I will say that the intensity levels were light years off what Kerry and Dublin produced but it was so important for Galway to get back up to Division 1 for 2018. But to also win the final in Croke Park and stop all the talk there was about not winning there for so long. There were 34 points scored in that game too
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.

Wise up you clown just because your county are now irrelevant.

Every top level forward at club or county include brolly knows how to win a free and have done it at some point. With regards fouling what are you on about? the one pull down of mc manus by any chance? Really going back there? anyone would have done it.

Brolly uses his position to slate players who are held in high regard, its all about his ego.

For him to question someone as a man for a foul on a football pitch then behave like he has in real life says it all really. be proud Derry


This has nothing to do with what county I'm from. Some Derry players engage in similar antics, it's wrong wherever you hail from

"anyone would have done it" - this is simply untrue. You have to lack a sense of fair play and sportsmanship to do something like that. Cavanagh clearly lacks these values, but not everyone is like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 13, 2017, 08:11:57 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.

Wise up you clown just because your county are now irrelevant.

Every top level forward at club or county include brolly knows how to win a free and have done it at some point. With regards fouling what are you on about? the one pull down of mc manus by any chance? Really going back there? anyone would have done it.

Brolly uses his position to slate players who are held in high regard, its all about his ego.

For him to question someone as a man for a foul on a football pitch then behave like he has in real life says it all really. be proud Derry


This has nothing to do with what county I'm from. Some Derry players engage in similar antics, it's wrong wherever you hail from

"anyone would have done it" - this is simply untrue. You have to lack a sense of fair play and sportsmanship to do something like that. Cavanagh clearly lacks these values, but not everyone is like that.

They didn't bring the black card in for a bit of craic. It was bought in because cynical play was rife in the game. I.e. Everyone was doing it. Football at the top level is about winning and if you think any player worth their salt wouldn't commit a cynical act to ensure his team made it to an AI final or semi final after a year or maybe even a lifetime of trying, then you are naive in the extreme.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
I have no doubt many players would have done the same. Many players cheat just as Cavanagh routinely does.

Not all though. Some people don't cheat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on April 13, 2017, 09:25:12 PM
Antrim were a point up a week ago against Longford and hanging on by their fingertips to Division three status where we would have had a right oul crack against our oul enemy Derry. But, with seven minutes overtime played we most naively allowed Longford to run the ball thd length of the pitch into our scoring zone before someone gave away a silly foul 45 yards out. They scored with the last kick of the game and we were relegated.

If one player had dragged a Longford player down in their own half the game was over and we were safe.

If you were manager Stallion  what would you have told your team to do?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on April 13, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
I have no doubt many players would have done the same. Many players cheat just as Cavanagh routinely does.

Not all though. Some people don't cheat.

What age are you man 60? "some people don't cheat" lol God oh you must be well out of the game if you were ever in it!

You are from derry yous have had some of the biggest thugs down through the years and brolly and co regularily bought a free.

Every inter county forward does it to some degree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
I wouldn't command a player to cheat if that's what you mean. Some things are more important than winning at all costs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
I have no doubt many players would have done the same. Many players cheat just as Cavanagh routinely does.

Not all though. Some people don't cheat.

What age are you man 60? "some people don't cheat" lol God oh you must be well out of the game if you were ever in it!

You are from derry yous have had some of the biggest thugs down through the years and brolly and co regularily bought a free.

Every inter county forward does it to some degree

I'm not surprised to hear your incredulity at the thought that some people don't cheat but it is true.

I don't know why you keep mentioning the fact I'm from Derry as though it makes any difference to the point I'm making. I've already said Derry players cheat too. It's inexcusable regardless of where you're from. And as predicted, there's no shortage of people prepared to defend the indefensible.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 13, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
I wouldn't command a player to cheat if that's what you mean. Some things are more important than winning at all costs.

Breaking any of the rules of Gaelic football is not cheating. If it was then everyone on the pitch would be considered a cheat including the officials who do not implement the defined rules of the game.

There is a difference between being cynical in your action on the pitch and cheating.

The black card was brought in as a panic measure to prevent cynical actions on the field when referees and their assistants fail to fully implement the existing rules.  It doesn't work because when cynical action is required to win a game, it occurs and players regularly 'take one for the team".

Players play to win and those who are fully motivated and determined to do so will always carry out the actions that will ensure a win but do as little harm to their opponents as possible, hence for example the 'rugby tackle' rather than a foot trip.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 13, 2017, 11:02:08 PM
The black card is working. Nothing will prevent what Maher did and the black card was never designed to eradicate what nothing can. There is, of course, issues but as long as human beings are being asked to adjudicate on fouls in real time there will always be mistakes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 13, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
I wouldn't command a player to cheat if that's what you mean. Some things are more important than winning at all costs.

Breaking any of the rules of Gaelic football is not cheating. If it was then everyone on the pitch would be considered a cheat including the officials who do not implement the defined rules of the game.

There is a difference between being cynical in your action on the pitch and cheating.

The black card was brought in as a panic measure to prevent cynical actions on the field when referees and their assistants fail to fully implement the existing rules.  It doesn't work because when cynical action is required to win a game, it occurs and players regularly 'take one for the team".

Players play to win and those who are fully motivated and determined to do so will always carry out the actions that will ensure a win but do as little harm to their opponents as possible, hence for example the 'rugby tackle' rather than a foot trip.
You need to brush up on minor details, for example facts rate higher that emotional claptrap..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
The only effective deterrent for a foul like Maher's is awarding a free much closer to goal and even then that only works if it's a one-point game.
If the attacking team needs a goal with time ticking away, defenders will happily take yellow cards, red cards, black cards and christmas cards until the cows come home.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 13, 2017, 11:14:41 PM
I agree Jinxy, a 14 yard free would be more of a deterrent in certain situations but it would also increase the scrutiny on referees. One of the major issues in finding a solution to fouling is that if the deterrent is so hash that it works then it also becomes more difficult for a referee to implement and if he gets it wrong he is crucified. If the deterrent is too lenient then it fails to be a deterrent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on April 14, 2017, 12:48:05 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2017, 06:42:14 PM


Pádraic Joyce: Give me analysis over opinion any day
County , Dublin GAA , Galway GAA , Kerry GAA and Kildare GAA | Thu Apr 13 08:56:12 IST 2017
"Is the @LeagueSundayRTE and @TheSundayGame not for ANALYSING games ..? All we are getting is opinions. #RTEGAA"

I wouldn't be a great man for the auld social media but this tweet I put up last Sunday night generated a few likes, so clearly I said what others were thinking. I prefer analysis to opinion, and I think a lot of GAA people don't even watch it at this point.
I wanted some insight into the decision to take off Cian O'Sullivan, and why Dublin put on Kevin McManamon and Michael Darragh Macauley after taking off the centre-back and Ciaran Reddin. How did Kerry stop O'Sullivan having such an influence on the game? Jim Gavin made the bold substitution in a bid to win the game which nearly paid off as UCD Student Mannion contributed 1-2 from play.

The Dubs gave away seven frees midway through the second half and Philly McMahon was twice reduced to panic tackles - with a closed fist on one occasion - and O'Sullivan also gave away a free for a pull of the jersey right in front of the goals. The bottom line was that the Kingdom had put the All-Ireland champions under huge pressure and it was telling. The Dubs were panicking, giving away easy frees and easy ball.

Dublin handpassed and kicked away some easy ball which were taken full advantage of. Kerry came with a more attacking mindset but they played on the edge too. Jonathan Lyne was black-carded for hauling down Diarmiud Connolly but I felt it could have been red: it was high and dangerous. We got no analysis into the role Peter Crowley played, who in my opinion was the best player on the pitch. He was immense in defence, and then getting up and down the field supporting his forwards all day.

Bernard Brogan didn't shine for Dublin last Sunday but I am a firm believer that you are only as good as the ball coming into you. Bernard was well shackled but the quality of ball into him was terrible, he had no chance.

Ciaran Kilkenny doesn't kick enough of the ball he gets, he is handpassing 80% of it laterally or backwards; so how can inside forwards operate when you have a middle third man not supplying quick early ball inside? Ciaran got huge praise last year on the 'Sunday Game' for handling the ball 37 times against Dublin but what they failed to analyse was that 30 of those balls were hand passed backwards or sideways. Another game, for the record, in which Brogan was taken off.

The Dublin inside forwards simply didn't get early ball and this is also due to the pressure Kerry put on around the middle third. Kerry also on occasions pushed up to great effect which meant Stephen Cluxton had to kick 50-50 kickouts and David Moran profited big time.
The week leading into the game, Eamonn Fitzmaurice came out in the media talking about an orchestrated campaign against Lee Keegan last year which had an influence on his black card in the final replay. I agree on this point, because Keegan didn't deserve to get the line, and perhaps it was a case of evening it up after Jonny Cooper had been put off.

The ex-Dubs were out in force in the media then and even Paul Curran after the league game in Tralee saying Kerry were guilty of "shameful" play. Fitzmaurice had to level the playing field, I'm 100% behind him on that. It shows his players too that they're all paddling in the one direction when their manager goes public in support of them. Tomas and Darragh O Se and Bomber Liston all write articles in the media and none of them were throwing curve balls in Dublin's direction when they had the platform. Fitzmaurice is a great GAA man, he was a tough uncompromising centre-back with a great football brain. I came across him a few times in my career and he'd always be first over to shake your hand after; whatever went on during the game was left on the pitch.

The GAA needs characters like Joe Brolly. I'm not trying to draw Joe Brolly onto me! After all, he is a more academically qualified and a more intelligent gentleman than I will ever be! But I can't not mention him going on about the Gooch. Northern teams such as Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh always had two men around him and another one watching, unlike Cork and Mayo. That has to be understood. When did you ever see any forward kick 1-4 or five points from play against those aforementioned teams in their heyday?

I once got a rise out of Joe by reminding him of the 1998 All-Ireland semi-final against us, he was taken off well before the final whistle sounded because Tomas Mannion had him in his pocket from the first minute. He was giving me guff one night after a charity game and I said "Joe, I'll get Tomas Mannion after you..!" which quietened him! I always remember the camera panning to Joe just after half-time and he's on the bench rubbing his head, whereas he'd been off blowing kisses to the crowd in Clones just a few weeks earlier after big Geoffrey McGonigle handed him one on a plate. So I am just not sure Joe is so qualified to give such a heavily-weighted opinion about the Gooch not scoring against these teams when he will be hard pressed to name someone who did. Sometimes, if you have nothing positive to say in certain situations, you are better off saying nothing at all.

One cost-saving measure that RTE should look at is this: the next time they use Joe, they would be better off getting him on alone as the people on with him rarely get a word in anyway. Even when Joe talked about the Galway-Kildare league final, he just dismissed it as a terrible game. Now, I will say that the intensity levels were light years off what Kerry and Dublin produced but it was so important for Galway to get back up to Division 1 for 2018. But to also win the final in Croke Park and stop all the talk there was about not winning there for so long. There were 34 points scored in that game too

Good piece from Joyce, where was that written??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2017, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 14, 2017, 12:48:05 AM

Good piece from Joyce, where was that written??
Was written here https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/04/padraic_joyce_give_me_analysis_over_opinion_any_day the latter part is about Galway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on April 14, 2017, 02:02:33 AM
Very good article from Joyce.Hits the nail on the head
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 14, 2017, 02:28:04 AM
Someone sounds angry he didn't land the cushy SG gig..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 14, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
Pompous arrogance from Joyce there about Brolly not being qualified to have an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and how good you were as a player has absolutely no bearing on his accurate your opinion is.

His comments come across as rather snide.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on April 14, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 14, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
Pompous arrogance from Joyce there about Brolly not being qualified to have an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and how good you were as a player has absolutely no bearing on his accurate your opinion is.

His comments come across as rather snide.
A bit like Joe then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 14, 2017, 08:08:11 AM
Joyce was hugely overrated anyway himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 14, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
The Joyce article has loads of information whereas TSG generally doesn't . It's more like entertainment. But that is presumably what RTE are aiming for.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 13, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
I wouldn't command a player to cheat if that's what you mean. Some things are more important than winning at all costs.

Breaking any of the rules of Gaelic football is not cheating. If it was then everyone on the pitch would be considered a cheat including the officials who do not implement the defined rules of the game.

There is a difference between being cynical in your action on the pitch and cheating.

The black card was brought in as a panic measure to prevent cynical actions on the field when referees and their assistants fail to fully implement the existing rules.  It doesn't work because when cynical action is required to win a game, it occurs and players regularly 'take one for the team".

Players play to win and those who are fully motivated and determined to do so will always carry out the actions that will ensure a win but do as little harm to their opponents as possible, hence for example the 'rugby tackle' rather than a foot trip.
You need to brush up on minor details, for example facts rate higher that emotional claptrap..

What are you talking about?

There were sufficient rules to deal with cynical fouls but not used by referees.  Black card was introduced in response to a moral outcry about a small number of actions, e.g. Cavanagh's rugby tackle.  Congress was played a video of cynical actions and then voted in the new rule. 

Has the Black Card stopped cynical play?  No.  Is it fully implemented by referees? No.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
Black Card was not introduced because of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle. It was introduced at Congress several months earlier. I'd love to kick Joe Brolly in the hulahoop because of all the confusion his rant has caused on this.

Also, I genuinely don't believe proponents of the black card ever imagined it would eliminate Sean Cavanagh's tackle, or Anthony Maher's tackle for that matter. Those sort of desperation tackles will always happen unless the penalty is actually the very score you are trying to prevent. (Like free throws in basketball).

The Black Card was brought in to prevent the systematic, low grade fouling that was taking place all over the pitch, especially in the forwards after a turnover. The aim of this fouling was to slow the game down, prevent counter attacks and allow the team get back into their established defensive positions. I believe the black card has done a relatively good job of that, and it certainly has done a good job of cleaning up the off the ball blocking that was going on to stop players joining attacks.

The problem with the black card has always been the stupidity of pundits who never communicated properly to people what is and isn't a black card. And because of this, pressure has grown on referees to an extent where it has now become almost unworkable.

You always ask referees to make judgment calls. That's what refereeing is in most cases. For the black card, all we were asking was the referee to make a judgment if a particular foul, e.g a Trip or a Pull Down, was DELIBERATE or just clumsy. It's pretty binary. Is that a Trip? Yes/No. Is it deliberate (in the referee's judgment) Yes/No. The answer to both have to be 'Yes' for the black card.

The way the pundits spun it, you'd think the referee was being asked to weigh up 100,000 factors.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
Black Card was not introduced because of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle. It was introduced at Congress several months earlier. I'd love to kick Joe Brolly in the hulahoop because of all the confusion his rant has caused on this.


Apologies for that error on my behalf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2017, 01:53:53 PM
I see Joe had a pop at AIB on twitter (retweet, I wouldn't follow that clown). He is as predictable as he is narcissistic...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
A pop at AIB? About what? Interest rates, the housing crisis, 'Backing Brave', or the fact that they dared allow Padraig Joyce criticise him?

Pure Gobshite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on April 14, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
A pop at AIB? About what? Interest rates, the housing crisis, 'Backing Brave', or the fact that they dared allow Padraig Joyce criticise him?

Pure Gobshite.

Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on April 14, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
A pop at AIB? About what? Interest rates, the housing crisis, 'Backing Brave', or the fact that they dared allow Padraig Joyce criticise him?

Pure Gobshite.

Having only met P Joyce in person once, and not being overly impresssed with his disdain for Mayo, I approached this article with a certain sense of negativity.

I could not have been more wrong.
Best and most concise analysis I have read in ages.
I hope he gets signed up by some newspaper, a way way more insightful that 80-90% of the shit that is now written.

He probably could have cut back on the last extra dig or two at Brolly. It would have had same effect.

Excellent piece
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
A pop at AIB? About what? Interest rates, the housing crisis, 'Backing Brave', or the fact that they dared allow Padraig Joyce criticise him?

Pure Gobshite.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/852861321183932418
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
Dingbat.

And sure if AIB gave all the money back, we'd only give it to the Dubs anyway. :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on April 14, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
Can anyone - copy paste the tweet - he has me blocked - I promise I didn't troll him!  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: criostlinn on April 14, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 14, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
Can anyone - copy paste the tweet - he has me blocked - I promise I didn't troll him!  ;D

Why I take AIB_GAA 's happy clappy 'support' for Gaelic games with a pinch of salt. Can we have our €46 billion back?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 14, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
Can anyone - copy paste the tweet - he has me blocked - I promise I didn't troll him!  ;D

"Why I take AIB_GAA 's happy clappy 'support' for Gaelic games with a pinch of salt. Can we have our €46 billion back?"

And it is followed by a picture of a quote from Montagu Norman in 1924 about how banks must keep the people down by repossessing homes etc in a crisis, thereby keeping the government in control and capitalism secure.

It's a very Brollyesque non-sequitur to divert attention away from something he's obviously uncomfortable with.


And it's a small bit hypocritical (shock, horror!) for someone to criticise AIB for supporting (Happy Clappy or not) the GAA and especially the Club game, when that person is happy to appear on a station which seems to go out of its way to ignore the club game.

AIB, by its sponsorship and constant exposure of Club GAA during the off season, is providing more of a service to the GAA and its members than an ego maniac who uses his platform to spew nonsense and personal attacks on the people playing and coaching the games.  Are more kids going to be encouraged to the GAA by AIB ads showing James O'Donoghue or Gooch Cooper and their ties to their local clubs, or by Brolly calling Sean Cavanagh names on TV?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 14, 2017, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 14, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
Can anyone - copy paste the tweet - he has me blocked - I promise I didn't troll him!  ;D

"Why I take AIB_GAA 's happy clappy 'support' for Gaelic games with a pinch of salt. Can we have our €46 billion back?"

And it is followed by a picture of a quote from Montagu Norman in 1924 about how banks must keep the people down by repossessing homes etc in a crisis, thereby keeping the government in control and capitalism secure.

It's a very Brollyesque non-sequitur to divert attention away from something he's obviously uncomfortable with.


And it's a small bit hypocritical (shock, horror!) for someone to criticise AIB for supporting (Happy Clappy or not) the GAA and especially the Club game, when that person is happy to appear on a station which seems to go out of its way to ignore the club game.

AIB, by its sponsorship and constant exposure of Club GAA during the off season, is providing more of a service to the GAA and its members than an ego maniac who uses his platform to spew nonsense and personal attacks on the people playing and coaching the games.  Are more kids going to be encouraged to the GAA by AIB ads showing James O'Donoghue or Gooch Cooper and their ties to their local clubs, or by Brolly calling Sean Cavanagh names on TV?


Ach, but he's a true Gael!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say, and probably is a true GAA man at heart, but he ruins is all because he can't help wanting to be the centre of attention and in doing so he spectacularly overshoots the runway in whatever point he is trying to make.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on April 14, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 14, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
Can anyone - copy paste the tweet - he has me blocked - I promise I didn't troll him!  ;D

"Why I take AIB_GAA 's happy clappy 'support' for Gaelic games with a pinch of salt. Can we have our €46 billion back?"

And it is followed by a picture of a quote from Montagu Norman in 1924 about how banks must keep the people down by repossessing homes etc in a crisis, thereby keeping the government in control and capitalism secure.

It's a very Brollyesque non-sequitur to divert attention away from something he's obviously uncomfortable with.


And it's a small bit hypocritical (shock, horror!) for someone to criticise AIB for supporting (Happy Clappy or not) the GAA and especially the Club game, when that person is happy to appear on a station which seems to go out of its way to ignore the club game.

AIB, by its sponsorship and constant exposure of Club GAA during the off season, is providing more of a service to the GAA and its members than an ego maniac who uses his platform to spew nonsense and personal attacks on the people playing and coaching the games.  Are more kids going to be encouraged to the GAA by AIB ads showing James O'Donoghue or Gooch Cooper and their ties to their local clubs, or by Brolly calling Sean Cavanagh names on TV?

Holy fcuk. He will be blaming the Rothschilds next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
The Joyce article has loads of information whereas TSG generally doesn't . It's more like entertainment. But that is presumably what RTE are aiming for.
It is was they are aiming for. You had George Hook for Rugby,Eamon Dunphy still talking shite on soccer, Joe Brolly and his opinions on football. RTEs so call answer to entertainment  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 14, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 13, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 13, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
I wouldn't command a player to cheat if that's what you mean. Some things are more important than winning at all costs.

Breaking any of the rules of Gaelic football is not cheating. If it was then everyone on the pitch would be considered a cheat including the officials who do not implement the defined rules of the game.

There is a difference between being cynical in your action on the pitch and cheating.

The black card was brought in as a panic measure to prevent cynical actions on the field when referees and their assistants fail to fully implement the existing rules.  It doesn't work because when cynical action is required to win a game, it occurs and players regularly 'take one for the team".

Players play to win and those who are fully motivated and determined to do so will always carry out the actions that will ensure a win but do as little harm to their opponents as possible, hence for example the 'rugby tackle' rather than a foot trip.
You need to brush up on minor details, for example facts rate higher that emotional claptrap..

What are you talking about?

There were sufficient rules to deal with cynical fouls but not used by referees.  Black card was introduced in response to a moral outcry about a small number of actions, e.g. Cavanagh's rugby tackle.  Congress was played a video of cynical actions and then voted in the new rule. 

Has the Black Card stopped cynical play?  No.  Is it fully implemented by referees? No.

There weren't sufficient rules to deal with cynical play, that's why something had to be done. In reality, the black card has been very successful in reducing cynical play, nothing will stop it entirely so that's not a reasonable criticism of the black card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on April 14, 2017, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: joemamas on April 14, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
A pop at AIB? About what? Interest rates, the housing crisis, 'Backing Brave', or the fact that they dared allow Padraig Joyce criticise him?

Pure Gobshite.

Having only met P Joyce in person once, and not being overly impresssed with his disdain for Mayo, I approached this article with a certain sense of negativity.

I could not have been more wrong.
Best and most concise analysis I have read in ages.
I hope he gets signed up by some newspaper, a way way more insightful that 80-90% of the shit that is now written.

He probably could have cut back on the last extra dig or two at Brolly. It would have had same effect.

Excellent piece

I tell thee one man who'll be gutted, Bigus Dickus Clerkin  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 14, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Joe's ego is quite fragile really.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rois on April 14, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say, and probably is a true GAA man at heart, but he ruins is all because he can't help wanting to be the centre of attention and in doing so he spectacularly overshoots the runway in whatever point he is trying to make.
I was talking to "someone" last night (a bit like Joe's stories...) who was quoted in Joe's article on Tyrone the other week, though this person was given his full name and profession in the article. He is not happy at all with Joe and this seeming need to be so controversial is building up to come back and bite. This particular person is even more educated in the law than Joe. By mentioning him, Joe has completely disregarded the work the said person does for the GAA and has gone out of his way to make life difficult. So it's all funny and we excuse his behaviour because he is a "true GAA man" but he has actively put someone, every bit as much a true GAA man, in a difficult position in order to name drop and satisfy his own thirst for attention. Poor form.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 14, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say, and probably is a true GAA man at heart, but he ruins is all because he can't help wanting to be the centre of attention and in doing so he spectacularly overshoots the runway in whatever point he is trying to make.
I was talking to "someone" last night (a bit like Joe's stories...) who was quoted in Joe's article on Tyrone the other week, though this person was given his full name and profession in the article. He is not happy at all with Joe and this seeming need to be so controversial is building up to come back and bite. This particular person is even more educated in the law than Joe. By mentioning him, Joe has completely disregarded the work the said person does for the GAA and has gone out of his way to make life difficult. So it's all funny and we excuse his behaviour because he is a "true GAA man" but he has actively put someone, every bit as much a true GAA man, in a difficult position in order to name drop and satisfy his own thirst for attention. Poor form.

Just wait for his next high court appearance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 14, 2017, 10:58:26 PM
This is the point I was making before.
Joe lacks the emotional intelligence to understand that by recounting private conversations in a national newspaper he could cause difficulties for the other party.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rois on April 14, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 10:27:24 PM

Just wait for his next high court appearance.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 15, 2017, 12:26:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 14, 2017, 10:58:26 PM
This is the point I was making before.
Joe lacks the emotional intelligence to understand that by recounting private conversations in a national newspaper he could cause difficulties for the other party.


Doesn't care. He fully understands all the same.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on April 15, 2017, 04:15:48 AM
Quote from: Rois on April 14, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 10:27:24 PM

Just wait for his next high court appearance.
Indeed.

Foolish by Joe. What he says can and does affect people's lives, on this occasion potentially very negatively
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 15, 2017, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 14, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say, and probably is a true GAA man at heart, but he ruins is all because he can't help wanting to be the centre of attention and in doing so he spectacularly overshoots the runway in whatever point he is trying to make.
I was talking to "someone" last night (a bit like Joe's stories...) who was quoted in Joe's article on Tyrone the other week, though this person was given his full name and profession in the article. He is not happy at all with Joe and this seeming need to be so controversial is building up to come back and bite. This particular person is even more educated in the law than Joe. By mentioning him, Joe has completely disregarded the work the said person does for the GAA and has gone out of his way to make life difficult. So it's all funny and we excuse his behaviour because he is a "true GAA man" but he has actively put someone, every bit as much a true GAA man, in a difficult position in order to name drop and satisfy his own thirst for attention. Poor form.

Just wait for his next high court appearance.

That was really the most bizarre and inappropriate name drop Joe has used to date. Though he did try to cover the whole gambit of occupations in Tyrone by asking the opinion of a couple of electricians who came to his house who "used to go to every game". Utter nonsense!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2017, 08:06:58 AM
This is the 4th most popular discussion  in the GAA section. RTE employ Brolly because he attracts viewers and winds some of them up- just like here. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: In hiding on April 15, 2017, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: Rois on April 14, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I think he has a lot of interesting things to say, and probably is a true GAA man at heart, but he ruins is all because he can't help wanting to be the centre of attention and in doing so he spectacularly overshoots the runway in whatever point he is trying to make.
I was talking to "someone" last night (a bit like Joe's stories...) who was quoted in Joe's article on Tyrone the other week, though this person was given his full name and profession in the article. He is not happy at all with Joe and this seeming need to be so controversial is building up to come back and bite. This particular person is even more educated in the law than Joe. By mentioning him, Joe has completely disregarded the work the said person does for the GAA and has gone out of his way to make life difficult. So it's all funny and we excuse his behaviour because he is a "true GAA man" but he has actively put someone, every bit as much a true GAA man, in a difficult position in order to name drop and satisfy his own thirst for attention. Poor form.

Which article ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
Joe is an adjudicator at my club's 'Stars in their eyes' competition tomorrow night. I won't be able to go however, but I wonder if he will tear shreds out of the competitors!

You wouldn't know!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Banter Panther on April 15, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Judging by his sidestepping on twitter, Joyce has genuinely rattled Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on April 15, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
Joes all fuvkin talk....if Philly, Rickey or Lee Keegan was marking him he'd $hit himself
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 15, 2017, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: Banter Panther on April 15, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Judging by his sidestepping on twitter, Joyce has genuinely rattled Brolly.


Lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 16, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: Banter Panther on April 15, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Judging by his sidestepping on twitter, Joyce has genuinely rattled Brolly.

Well he does reference Joyce in today's Indo piece..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-when-two-teams-play-football-without-fear-it-is-the-best-sport-on-the-planet-35626375.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-when-two-teams-play-football-without-fear-it-is-the-best-sport-on-the-planet-35626375.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 16, 2017, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 16, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: Banter Panther on April 15, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Judging by his sidestepping on twitter, Joyce has genuinely rattled Brolly.

Well he does reference Joyce in today's Indo piece..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-when-two-teams-play-football-without-fear-it-is-the-best-sport-on-the-planet-35626375.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-when-two-teams-play-football-without-fear-it-is-the-best-sport-on-the-planet-35626375.html)

I stopped reading after he started with another random meeting with a current inter county player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 16, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
You missed the bit where Joe subtly announces that he takes detailed notes during the game so.
Not sure why he bothers to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 16, 2017, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from article:   "In that final quarter, meanwhile, Dublin won Kiely's kick-outs 7-2. Analyse that."

Who was the Kiely player he mentioned?  Some note taker alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 17, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
Joe is wavering, he's at the cusp of entering a transition phase, from a true blue Hill 16  groupie to going all out yarrah. I suspect Joe will keep his cards close and not declare yet who are are going to be the likely true saviors of the game in 2017, but he will throw out enough comments that he can reference later in the autumn, so that he can honestly claim that he foresaw it all transpiring this way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 17, 2017, 10:20:00 AM
Some valid points about Joe here... he has also called out a lot of truths. This is like  a hate thread now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 17, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
Jo is highly entertaining and very good at making his point but he really shouldnt be taken seriously. There is a reason he never has coached or managed at senior club or county level and thats becaise no one would be mad enough to give him a job. In saying that I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth is with his all out attack philosophy. Now that would be entertaining!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 17, 2017, 12:00:58 PM

Is joe seriously claiming that Kerry played man for man all over the pitch and no cover?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: ck on April 17, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
Jo is highly entertaining and very good at making his point but he really shouldnt be taken seriously. There is a reason he never has coached or managed at senior club or county level and thats becaise no one would be mad enough to give him a job. In saying that I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth is with his all out attack philosophy. Now that would be entertaining!

If you seriously believe Brolly would be unable to get a job managing at club level because nobody would give him one you're absolutely deluded.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 17, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Quote from: ck on April 17, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
Jo is highly entertaining and very good at making his point but he really shouldnt be taken seriously. There is a reason he never has coached or managed at senior club or county level and thats becaise no one would be mad enough to give him a job. In saying that I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth is with his all out attack philosophy. Now that would be entertaining!

Doesnt Davy Fitz getting jobs all over the place. He'd be snapped up certainly buy a senior club
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 17, 2017, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.

I think he has a very valid point about how the punishment doesn't fit the crime in that kind of instance though.

A 30m (or 20m) free, directly in front of the posts, would have been a very appropriate punishment. If Maher hadn't pulled the Dublin player down, the space had opened up and he had a clear run to create an relatively easy shooting chance. Similarly, the last man pulling down the attacker clean through on goal resulting in a penalty, even if outside the box, would be a hell of lot fairer to the fouled team than dishing out a black card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:31:18 PM
Yeah but how do you define a clear run on goal?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on April 17, 2017, 08:39:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 17, 2017, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.

I think he has a very valid point about how the punishment doesn't fit the crime in that kind of instance though.

A 30m (or 20m) free, directly in front of the posts, would have been a very appropriate punishment. If Maher hadn't pulled the Dublin player down, the space had opened up and he had a clear run to create an relatively easy shooting chance. Similarly, the last man pulling down the attacker clean through on goal resulting in a penalty, even if outside the box, would be a hell of lot fairer to the fouled team than dishing out a black card.

Been saying that for ages now. Towards the end of a game in particular the black card is meaningless. The only way to stop cynical fouling is to hit teams on the scoreboard ie award a free kick 20 or 30 m out. Cynical fouls denying a goal scoring opportunity should be penalised with the award of a penalty kick. It's just natural justice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
That's easy to say but that's putting the referee in a very awkward situation. Indeed, if the penalty for a cynical foul (what's the definition for a start?) is a 20m free or if in a goal scoring position (define that?) a lot of players could well try to play for that resulting in referees getting hauled over the coals on the SG when replays show the forward dived or grabbed the hand and pulled the defender down.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
Better to punish the aggressor rather than the team trying to play positively. Football at the highest level is in one hell of a valley at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on April 17, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Surely you're taking the piss?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 17, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Surely you're taking the piss?


No. Do you think it's a good idea?  If not, why not?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already


No refs are implementing this idea. They're letting persistent offenders away with cheating repeatedly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 17, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already


No refs are implementing this idea. They're letting persistent offenders away with cheating repeatedly.

So you're proposing to stop the game and book a player for every foul committed during a game? You should just watch another sport really as competitive team sport clearly isn't something you enjoy. What about Basketball maybe? Or as Joe Brolly suggested, tennis?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 17, 2017, 11:11:42 PM

Do yourself a favour and stop engaging with this gobshite
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 17, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2017, 11:11:42 PM

Do yourself a favour and stop engaging with this gobshite

Point taken, I didn't even read who posted it to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already


No refs are implementing this idea. They're letting persistent offenders away with cheating repeatedly.

So you're proposing to stop the game and book a player for every foul committed during a game? You should just watch another sport really as competitive team sport clearly isn't something you enjoy. What about Basketball maybe? Or as Joe Brolly suggested, tennis?


The point is if fouls were punished properly there would be less of them. I'm surprised you failed to grasp that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2017, 11:11:42 PM

Do yourself a favour and stop engaging with this gobshite


Please feel free to completely ignore my posts rather than just insult me without even attempting a coherent rebuttal of my suggestion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 18, 2017, 02:24:54 AM
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
That's easy to say but that's putting the referee in a very awkward situation. Indeed, if the penalty for a cynical foul (what's the definition for a start?) is a 20m free or if in a goal scoring position (define that?) a lot of players could well try to play for that resulting in referees getting hauled over the coals on the SG when replays show the forward dived or grabbed the hand and pulled the defender down.

Blatant diving or manufacturing the foul through the grabbing of the defender's arm can easily be dealt with by retrospective punishment. Give a player a punitive suspension, and he'll think twice about doing it again. Of course, that is only really plausible for intercounty championship, but that is the case at the moment anyway with any kind of video evidence-based discipline.

As for goal-scoring position, they've no problem with the concept in soccer. I don't see much difference. Last defender commits foul and prevents the forward advancing in on goal and/or getting his shot off. I wouldn't even worry too much about the cynical part if the fouled team is not getting the raw end of the deal. Throw the card in on top of the penalty or handy free to deal with that part.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 18, 2017, 02:28:13 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:31:18 PM
Yeah but how do you define a clear run on goal?

Obviously something for the GAA technocrats to deal with, but soccer has no problem with the concept. Last defender fouling someone who would otherwise be on an unimpeded path towards the goal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on April 18, 2017, 07:31:49 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 18, 2017, 02:24:54 AM
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
That's easy to say but that's putting the referee in a very awkward situation. Indeed, if the penalty for a cynical foul (what's the definition for a start?) is a 20m free or if in a goal scoring position (define that?) a lot of players could well try to play for that resulting in referees getting hauled over the coals on the SG when replays show the forward dived or grabbed the hand and pulled the defender down.

Blatant diving or manufacturing the foul through the grabbing of the defender's arm can easily be dealt with by retrospective punishment. Give a player a punitive suspension, and he'll think twice about doing it again. Of course, that is only really plausible for intercounty championship, but that is the case at the moment anyway with any kind of video evidence-based discipline.

As for goal-scoring position, they've no problem with the concept in soccer. I don't see much difference. Last defender commits foul and prevents the forward advancing in on goal and/or getting his shot off. I wouldn't even worry too much about the cynical part if the fouled team is not getting the raw end of the deal. Throw the card in on top of the penalty or handy free to deal with that part.
We don't have off side. Maher was not the last defender by a long way last Sunday.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
Last man back simply wouldnt work.

What if there was a 3 attackers v 2 defenders scenario? Defender pulls a man down - isnt last man back so doesnt count?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
I'm heartened to see nobody could see any genuine issues with my yellow card minimum for every foul suggestion.

I don't think it's a perfect solution myself but it would be a move in the right direction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
I'm heartened to see nobody could see any genuine issues with my yellow card minimum for every foul suggestion.

I don't think it's a perfect solution myself but it would be a move in the right direction.

Netball and basketball already exist.

Nonsense idea which would result in zero contact in the game
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
I'm heartened to see nobody could see any genuine issues with my yellow card minimum for every foul suggestion.

I don't think it's a perfect solution myself but it would be a move in the right direction.

Netball and basketball already exist.

Nonsense idea which would result in zero contact in the game

Why would it result in zero contact? If would force players  to actually try and win the ball when tackling rather than just hitting and pulling jerseys.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
I'm heartened to see nobody could see any genuine issues with my yellow card minimum for every foul suggestion.

I don't think it's a perfect solution myself but it would be a move in the right direction.

Netball and basketball already exist.

Nonsense idea which would result in zero contact in the game

Why would it result in zero contact? If would force players  to actually try and win the ball when tackling rather than just hitting and pulling jerseys.

Referees cant determine what a foul is now - imagine if it resulted in a card every time they blew. It would make the game worse then ever.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 10:34:59 AM
I disagree. It would make it easier for refs because players would be more careful when tackling.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hotrocks on April 18, 2017, 10:43:57 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
more brains in a false face
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 11:41:19 AM
You seem unwilling or unable to make any sort of coherent rebuttal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 18, 2017, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 18, 2017, 07:31:49 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 18, 2017, 02:24:54 AM
Quote from: Zulu on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
That's easy to say but that's putting the referee in a very awkward situation. Indeed, if the penalty for a cynical foul (what's the definition for a start?) is a 20m free or if in a goal scoring position (define that?) a lot of players could well try to play for that resulting in referees getting hauled over the coals on the SG when replays show the forward dived or grabbed the hand and pulled the defender down.

Blatant diving or manufacturing the foul through the grabbing of the defender's arm can easily be dealt with by retrospective punishment. Give a player a punitive suspension, and he'll think twice about doing it again. Of course, that is only really plausible for intercounty championship, but that is the case at the moment anyway with any kind of video evidence-based discipline.

As for goal-scoring position, they've no problem with the concept in soccer. I don't see much difference. Last defender commits foul and prevents the forward advancing in on goal and/or getting his shot off. I wouldn't even worry too much about the cynical part if the fouled team is not getting the raw end of the deal. Throw the card in on top of the penalty or handy free to deal with that part.
We don't have off side. Maher was not the last defender by a long way last Sunday.

I was talking about the attacker clean through on goal being dragged back or pulled down. "Goal scoring position".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 18, 2017, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 18, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
Last man back simply wouldnt work.

What if there was a 3 attackers v 2 defenders scenario? Defender pulls a man down - isnt last man back so doesnt count?

Pull him down, give the penalty/free. If he is not the last defender in the attacker's path, then that is reflected in the card given.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
The 'last man' rule works well in soccer because of the offside rule.
You rarely get a situation where defenders are converging on the attacker from multiple directions as it's usually a ball over the top and all the defenders will be in a line.
Much harder to have a 'last man' rule in gaelic football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 18, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
I was watching a video about the differences between rugby league and union. The pepole who came up with the rules for rugby league wanted a game that was easy to understand for spectators. And that had balance. So you get 6 goes to run with the ball before you hand it over to the other side. GF needs a revamp like that, with clarity the focus. The black card is too complicated. Piecemeal change doesn't really work.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 18, 2017, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
The 'last man' rule works well in soccer because of the offside rule.
You rarely get a situation where defenders are converging on the attacker from multiple directions as it's usually a ball over the top and all the defenders will be in a line.
Much harder to have a 'last man' rule in gaelic football.

So forget the last man bit. Give the penalty/easy free for the foul committed to stop the player getting clear of his marker and into a good position. It would obviously need a lot of discussion before settling on the rules and penalties, but the option should not be let your man go and advance to a good position for a score attempt or assist OR take a black card for the team. Unless we are all happy to see Cavanagh on McManus type fouls when the chips are down?

Brolly is talking sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 18, 2017, 03:51:31 PM
Of course J70 nobody wants to see a tackle like that and can you imagine the uproar if Mayo were down 2 points to Dublin and in the final minute of injury time Keegan is played through on goal and Diarmuid Connolly comes from nowhere to pull him down with him through one on one with the keeper.
These type of fouls are very rare but they really are the ones to anger people as its so unsporting behaviour but it is very difficult to put it in to words how to define such a foul. Maybe if they could just focus on being inside the 21 yard line with all defenders behind the player with the ball and only the keeper to beat then a penalty could be awarded and a red card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
Would this goal happen in 2017?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxfZef0bNVU
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
Delighted to have everyone on board with my suggestion.  It just shows that a good idea can win people over immediately.

Thanks for being my sounding board folks.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
Would this goal happen in 2017?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxfZef0bNVU

Similar to the build up for Tipp v Armagh a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hotrocks on April 18, 2017, 05:26:34 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
Delighted to have everyone on board with my suggestion.  It just shows that a good idea can win people over immediately.

Thanks for being my sounding board folks.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D clueless
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on April 18, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
I make that 10 or 11 posts in about a many days aimed at me yet saying very little. Perhaps someone has a crush on me? If so, I'm flattered but not interested.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on April 18, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/aaron-ward/colm-cooper-responds-harsh-joe-brolly-criticism/

Colm Cooper has responded to the criticism he received from Joe Brolly on RTÉ's League Sunday programme following the announcement of his retirement.

The Gooch had praise heaped on him from near and afar in the sporting world following the announcement of his inter-county retirement. He was lauded for all he achieved and almost universally recognised as one of the finest Gaelic footballers of all time.
However, pundit Brolly grabbed headlines for claiming that the Kerry legend lacked leadership qualities and never performed when his team needed him the most; in times of adversity.
Addressing the Derryman's controversial views on RTÉ Radio 1 this morning, the Dr. Croke's attacker brushed off the opinion of the outspoken pundit. Cooper claimed that Brolly simply "likes to go against the grain sometimes just to create the bait."

The eight-time All Star stated:

    "I take Joe for what he is. He is a very outspoken pundit. He likes to go against the grain sometimes just to create the bait.
    "I certainly don't lie awake at night thinking about what Joe is going to say about me.
    "In the earlier part of my career he thought I was a fantastic player. In the latter years he has changed a little bit.
    "I played for Kerry and Dr Crokes to win medals and challenge for titles, not to satisfy Joe's needs or what he thinks about my character.
    "If I let Joe get to me I don't think I'd ever tog out. He has his views and I think he gets a kick out of winding Kerry people up as well and they always bit back a bit as well which he loves. I don't take it too seriously."


Speaking publicly for the first time since calling time on his illustrious Kerry journey, the 33-year-old was asked if he would say hello and shake Brolly's hand if he bumped into him at Croke Park some day, to which he responded:

    "I'm not too sure about that, it wouldn't be all hugs and kisses. I respect his opinion. I don't think it's a universal opinion if I'm being honest. That's his way of looking at things. People down in Kerry see me at club matches and playing for Kerry and how much time and effort I put into football.
    "They may have different views as well and I'm sure Joe would have to respect that. They see me up close and personal and what I'm like and maybe they feel I have all the characteristics and attributes that Joe speaks about.
    "They get a little bit annoyed and bite back which Joe certainly likes I think."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

Probably sees it as much an audition for the enviable summer punditry as anything in all reality.

Sky or RTÉ? RTE would be more box office for the viewer but less cash in hand.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
I think it's funny the interviewer thought he said 'the bait' instead of 'debate'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 08:46:14 PM

Sky or RTÉ? RTE would be more box office for the viewer but less cash in hand.
Rachel Wyse sitting on a high stool saying nothing is more box office for the viewer than Joe Brolly playing the old cranky lady on RTE.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

This is the problem...Joe makes a controversial and often personal comment about someone and if the person attempts to defend himself or make any form of public rebuttal, people start going on about the person biting or how Joe has got under their skin. He's done a good job at making himself virtually bullet proof has oul Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

This is the problem...Joe makes a controversial and often personal comment about someone and if the person attempts to defend himself or make any form of public rebuttal, people start going on about the person biting or how Joe has got under their skin. He's done a good job at making himself virtually bullet proof has oul Joe.

The secret is... don't bother.
He's just provided Joe with new material.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2017, 10:12:29 PM
I agree Benny. No harm in responding to public criticism every now and again and so what if Brolly's view has irked Cooper somewhat? Joe is articulate enough to make BS sound like rationale analysis. Joe makes some good points at times and is a better pundit than some of the others but when he talks rubbish it can be a special kind.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

This is the problem...Joe makes a controversial and often personal comment about someone and if the person attempts to defend himself or make any form of public rebuttal, people start going on about the person biting or how Joe has got under their skin. He's done a good job at making himself virtually bullet proof has oul Joe.

The secret is... don't bother.
He's just provided Joe with new material.

Exactly, so Joe realises that the platforms he has created for himself and his high profile means that he can say whatever he wants without fear of rebuke. Its a bullying nature and is accepted without question where Joe is concerned.. People side with the bully or don't question him so he doesn't turn on them, keep the head down, say nothing and he'll move on to someone else.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 08:46:14 PM

Sky or RTÉ? RTE would be more box office for the viewer but less cash in hand.
Rachel Wyse sitting on a high stool saying nothing is more box office for the viewer than Joe Brolly playing the old cranky lady on RTE.

Only if you're deaf or have a hard on for Peter and Jimmy ignoring the wildly cynical and putrid nature of modern football, something they were chief architects of. The Sky love-in lasted all of one summer in everywhere but the north, it seems. If you want to get your rocks off and the best you can do is a GAA presenter on a stool you've a poor imagination.

The reason Brolly has a thread that's 224 pages long is because he's relevant, like it or not. Can't say the same for the Sky cheerleaders..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 18, 2017, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2017, 08:46:14 PM

Sky or RTÉ? RTE would be more box office for the viewer but less cash in hand.
Rachel Wyse sitting on a high stool saying nothing is more box office for the viewer than Joe Brolly playing the old cranky lady on RTE.

Only if you're deaf or have a hard on for Peter and Jimmy ignoring the wildly cynical and putrid nature of modern football, something they were chief architects of. The Sky love-in lasted all of one summer in everywhere but the north, it seems. If you want to get your rocks off and the best you can do is a GAA presenter on a stool you've a poor imagination.

The reason Brolly has a thread that's 224 pages long is because he's relevant, like it or not. Can't say the same for the Sky cheerleaders..
Stop playing the Joe Brolly cheerleader and stop picking fights with people, lad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

This is the problem...Joe makes a controversial and often personal comment about someone and if the person attempts to defend himself or make any form of public rebuttal, people start going on about the person biting or how Joe has got under their skin. He's done a good job at making himself virtually bullet proof has oul Joe.

The secret is... don't bother.
He's just provided Joe with new material.

Exactly, so Joe realises that the platforms he has created for himself and his high profile means that he can say whatever he wants without fear of rebuke. Its a bullying nature and is accepted without question where Joe is concerned.. People side with the bully or don't question him so he doesn't turn on them, keep the head down, say nothing and he'll move on to someone else.

He's got pretty much nothing but abuse over his Cooper comments.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on April 19, 2017, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
I think it's funny the interviewer thought he said 'the bait' instead of 'debate'.

I noticed that myself  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 21, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Joe said that cooper was a good player but maybe did not show leadership at times it was need? give or take thats what he said. I presume thats as he sees it as a pundit. Is he not entitled to the view? I would have thought myself that in recent years for both Crokes and Kerry that was the case. But if reviewing Gooch's overall contribution to gaelic football I'd say he was at times sublime and one of the best forwards to grace the game. It's all a matter of opinion, innit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 21, 2017, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 18, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
If you're trying to say you don't take Joe too seriously, say that and nothing else.
This sounds to me like Joe got to him a bit.

This is the problem...Joe makes a controversial and often personal comment about someone and if the person attempts to defend himself or make any form of public rebuttal, people start going on about the person biting or how Joe has got under their skin. He's done a good job at making himself virtually bullet proof has oul Joe.

The secret is... don't bother.
He's just provided Joe with new material.

Exactly, so Joe realises that the platforms he has created for himself and his high profile means that he can say whatever he wants without fear of rebuke. Its a bullying nature and is accepted without question where Joe is concerned.. People side with the bully or don't question him so he doesn't turn on them, keep the head down, say nothing and he'll move on to someone else.

He's got pretty much nothing but abuse over his Cooper comments.

The more abuse Joe gets the more he loves it as it keeps him relevant. Joe knows rightly that Cooper was the best ever forward but what attention would Joe get if he just agreed with that. He also loves to hail "positive" football by saying Dublin play with "adventure". Yeah right Joe, show me a team without the talent Dublin have and let me see them play with "adventure". Again Joe knows the reality but reality doesnt add to his profile. He is a talented crafter of an argument and manages to convince many as a result but lets face it we all know ge talks utter sh*te. Hes an entertainer not an analyst and should not be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on April 28, 2017, 06:22:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=325szrMpyrc

He gives the ref a hard time around the 7min mark
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on April 28, 2017, 11:23:46 PM
Enjoyed that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2017, 11:24:40 PM
The latest:

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/lifestyle/thank-you-gooch-youre-an-inspiration-35653676.html (http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/lifestyle/thank-you-gooch-youre-an-inspiration-35653676.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2017, 11:24:40 PM
The latest:

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/lifestyle/thank-you-gooch-youre-an-inspiration-35653676.html (http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/lifestyle/thank-you-gooch-youre-an-inspiration-35653676.html)

Joe loved the interview because he knew that in an interview that should have solely been about the career of a superb sportsman, the focus would at some point turn to Joe himself. Mission accomplished for Joe. Now to write a bullshitty little article about what a great fella Gooch is altogether and how there's no hard feelings.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Am I missing something here? Is that interview anything to do with Brolly, other than he was mentioned in it?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 03, 2017, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Am I missing something here? Is that interview anything to do with Brolly, other than he was mentioned in it?



Same as. Don't get it Benny??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 04, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Am I missing something here? Is that interview anything to do with Brolly, other than he was mentioned in it?
I think that was Benny's point, Joe was mentioned in an article which had nothing to do with him. Everywhere Gooch goes, he has to deal with being asked how he feels about Brolly's comments as if they had such import.  Joe's being talked about ---- everywhere.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on May 04, 2017, 10:41:42 AM
Benny is spot on. Brolly comments controversially on topical items so then he becomes the story. He is a skilled barrister so can make an argument out of anything which gives him credibility, even though he may not actually know what he is talking about. A small minority of people are on to him, the majority of people see him as some sort of GAA celebrity expert and boy does Brolly know how to appeal to the masses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on May 04, 2017, 11:05:32 AM
Why don't we all ignore him?
Lock this thread for a start.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on May 04, 2017, 11:08:45 AM
Lol at "on to him". Wise up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 04, 2017, 11:37:55 AM
Brolly's columns are all about him. I was invited to this GAA dinner... I was chatting to the President... I was having a pint with the Dublin team... I went to see Mayo train (the only person allowed in)... It took me 3 hours getting out of Croke Park because so many people wanted selfies with me... He's an attention-seeking dick.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Lads who gives a f**k. Seriously! Have you's nothing better to be at.

Brolly is an eejit but does plenty good too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 04, 2017, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Lads who gives a f**k. Seriously! Have you's nothing better to be at.

Brolly is an eejit but does plenty good too.

I love the irony of someone giving enough of a f**k  to tell people that they shouldn't give a f**k. Have you nothing better to be at Walter?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 04, 2017, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Lads who gives a f**k. Seriously! Have you's nothing better to be at.

Brolly is an eejit but does plenty good too.

I love the irony of someone giving enough of a f**k  to tell people that they shouldn't give a f**k. Have you nothing better to be at Walter?

Quiet day on site Benny. Away off on another free period there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
I think you might be able to work out why Colm Cooper has become a great fella after you read this:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-cooper-joins-the-sunday-game-as-a-pundit-35682974.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-cooper-joins-the-sunday-game-as-a-pundit-35682974.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on May 05, 2017, 11:32:37 AM
He hasn't suddenly become a great fella. Brolly has been consistently praising Cooper's ability while also claiming he's not a big game player for years.

I disagree with his assessment but that's besides the point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 07, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
Advice for Colm Cooper.........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/stay-away-from-joe-brolly-henry-shefflin-gives-colm-cooper-some-advice-for-his-punditry-career-35688607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/stay-away-from-joe-brolly-henry-shefflin-gives-colm-cooper-some-advice-for-his-punditry-career-35688607.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 07, 2017, 08:23:55 PM
The same old targets again this week........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-black-card-a-certificate-of-merit-for-good-teamwork-35688001.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-black-card-a-certificate-of-merit-for-good-teamwork-35688001.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 07, 2017, 11:52:43 PM
The transplant surgeon Dave Hickey told me he'd watched it from a packed bar in Kerry and when I finished there was a spontaneous ovation

Dear o dear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 08, 2017, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2017, 11:52:43 PM
The transplant surgeon Dave Hickey told me he'd watched it from a packed bar in Kerry and when I finished there was a spontaneous ovation

Dear o dear.

Spat the coffee out over that one hilarious!! At least he's named his source this time!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
I was expecting an article like this from Joe to be honest with the Derry v Tyrone match approaching.
I think he feels he needs to contribute something to the Derry cause in the form of attacking Tyrone in whatever way is possible.

He makes it sounds like Tyrone are a virus that has spread throughout the counties of Ireland having contaminated poor old Kerry and Dublin into those bad habits and how they seriously damaged poor wee Meath and Armagh over the years.
Poor Marsden junior will be ridiculed at school for years about how his dad cost his team two or maybe 3 in a row but in fact it was the Tyrone virus.

Back in the 70s, 80s and 90s you would never have seen a player being dragged down to stop a certain goal scoring opportunity.
Meath would never use cynical methods to "close out" a match. Kerry football was always pure and true to their ethos before they were tarnished by Tyrone in that puke football game of 2003.

Whilst Joe talks about Dublin and Kerry both guilty of all the horrible "win at all costs" tactics nowadays, he seems to lay the blame strongly at Tyrone bringing this into the modern game.

Amazing that Joe left the RTE studio and went down to the tunnel where the Meath team were standing in a group seething with anger that Tyrone had cheated their way to a win over them with their dragging down tactics.
Can you picture that scene where Joe there with his Derry halo comforting the Meath boys saying "Shhhhh shhhh lads, you'll be OK"

Yeah Joe goes on to say it was different in his day when defenders would beat the head of you but at least they would be meet you afterwards for a pint, give you back your teeth and all would be forgotten.
No rose tinted glasses here, just great fond memories of how the game used to be played hard and fair.

Some of my memories from when I was young was quite often games started with the other team punishing the head of your best player before the ball was thrown in to soften him up for the game ahead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on May 08, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2017, 11:52:43 PM
The transplant surgeon Dave Hickey told me he'd watched it from a packed bar in Kerry and when I finished there was a spontaneous ovation

Dear o dear.

If a builders  labourer told Joe the same story .......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2017, 10:52:42 AM
Wouldn't it be great if in the last few minutes there was another incident where Sean Cavanagh dragged a player down just for the craic and then blew a few kisses to the crowd.

As usual though Joe makes lots of good points that are correct with the modern game but he never ceases to amaze me what length he will go to to have a bash at Tyrone.

It will be interesting to see some Sunday with Spillane, Gooch and Joe on the panel. Would be nice for the Derry v Tyrone game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2017, 10:52:42 AM
Wouldn't it be great if in the last few minutes there was another incident where Sean Cavanagh dragged a player down just for the craic and then blew a few kisses to the crowd.

As usual though Joe makes lots of good points that are correct with the modern game but he never ceases to amaze me what length he will go to to have a bash at Tyrone.

It will be interesting to see some Sunday with Spillane, Gooch and Joe on the panel. Would be nice for the Derry v Tyrone game.

The only downside of that would be

a. it would mean the game is close
b. it would feed JB more publicity to bash us
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on May 08, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: ashman on May 08, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2017, 11:52:43 PM
The transplant surgeon Dave Hickey told me he'd watched it from a packed bar in Kerry and when I finished there was a spontaneous ovation

Dear o dear.

If a builders  labourer told Joe the same story .......

Joe has caught the Enda Kenny ' I met a man in the pub' disease
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined

Youse are getting turned over at CP.

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined

Youse are getting turned over at CP.

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

;D
Course we are

The 1/4 is a very good price for us.
CP hasnt been a fortress in years. If it was in Omagh we would be 1/6 minimum
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheOptimist on May 08, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined

Youse are getting turned over at CP.





Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

;D
Course we are

The 1/4 is a very good price for us.
CP hasnt been a fortress in years. If it was in Omagh we would be 1/6 minimum

Last year yous were telling us yous were the only team that could beat Dublin. Hows that going for yous?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on May 08, 2017, 01:53:30 PM
I see some of you trying to apply basic logic to this article, as if he has decided he needs to start discrediting Tyrone or Dublin to give his own county a chance.  This is a county for which he inserted a death notice last year when they were beaten in the championship.  Believe me, no-one in Derry would thank him for his help.  He is not trying to create a positive climate for Derry; it is the least of his priorities.  For this person, his only priority is HIM!!!  At ALL times.  Even with his acts of giving. It's always about him. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Seany on May 08, 2017, 01:53:30 PM
I see some of you trying to apply basic logic to this article, as if he has decided he needs to start discrediting Tyrone or Dublin to give his own county a chance.  This is a county for which he inserted a death notice last year when they were beaten in the championship.  Believe me, no-one in Derry would thank him for his help.  He is not trying to create a positive climate for Derry; it is the least of his priorities.  For this person, his only priority is HIM!!!  At ALL times.  Even with his acts of giving. It's always about him.

Ouch!

Haven't you heard Barton has the squad flying in training, the boys don't need Joe's help
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 08, 2017, 02:12:23 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 08, 2017, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2017, 11:52:43 PM
The transplant surgeon Dave Hickey told me he'd watched it from a packed bar in Kerry and when I finished there was a spontaneous ovation

Dear o dear.

Spat the coffee out over that one hilarious!! At least he's named his source this time!!

Such cynicism...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 08, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined

Youse are getting turned over at CP.

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

;D
Course we are

The 1/4 is a very good price for us.
CP hasnt been a fortress in years. If it was in Omagh we would be 1/6 minimum

If the game was fixed for Omagh it likely wouldn't be played it's a shithole!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on May 08, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 07, 2017, 08:23:55 PM
The same old targets again this week........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-black-card-a-certificate-of-merit-for-good-teamwork-35688001.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-black-card-a-certificate-of-merit-for-good-teamwork-35688001.html)

I happened to catch his bit on Rte radio that he refers to in the article. He managed to shoehorn every story that is in the article on to the radio. Even when the question posed bore no relation to the story he was telling.  Hickey, Meath, Marsden, Down.. the lot, all were mentioned. Once he gets a story in his head, he must repeat it over and over again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 08, 2017, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 08, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
I normally like Joe's articles but this is straight out of the Dubs pre match preparation by planting seeds in officials heads prior to us thumping them in c'ship.

No matter what you do Joe it wont change the outcome.

I genuinely believe that we will beat them easy enough even with a player or 2 lined

Youse are getting turned over at CP.

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

;D
Course we are

The 1/4 is a very good price for us.
CP hasnt been a fortress in years. If it was in Omagh we would be 1/6 minimum

If the game was fixed for Omagh it likely wouldn't be played it's a shithole!!

Most likely a shower beforehand would have the game called off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2017, 02:58:01 PM
Seany, I certainly didn't mean that he's trying to discredit Tyrone to give Derry a chance. Derry at home to Tyrone always have a chance as they've shown before over the years.

No, what I'm saying is that I've heard and seen Brolly lots of times at different functions and he never lets an opportunity go without bad mouthing Tyrone. He often plays to his audience to flatter them and make them laugh but it nearly always comes back to bad mouthing Tyrone. This is a Tyrone team that has not been at the top table for 8 or 9 years now. He's like a dog with a bone and the last number of months he's attacked Harte and his style of play at numerous times yet you never hear him talk about Monaghan or Donegal that much.

Everybody else was saying how they thought Tyrone would be the team that could give the Dubs the most problems but most Tyrone posters were under no illusions we've not beaten a top 3 or 4 team since 2008.
Winning Ulster was a massive challenge last year and it will probably be tougher this year, yet Joe is doing all he can to paint Tyrone as the causes of everything bad in GAA.

I think it's actually hilarious that he picked Armagh and Meath as two teams who have fell victim to Tyrone the most that he had to pick out examples of why they won't be sending us Christmas cards.
They are probably the two teams that have "roughened up" others the most over the years (sorry Joe would say wore teams down). I'd say Marsden is cringing reading that and no doubt will be another Armagh wanting to have a pop at Joe.

I just get the feeling Joe likes to add on a lot to a story to get the desired affect. I wonder how many times now he's used Dr Hickey now to try to get some weight in behind his crazy stories. I'd say Joe is looking forward to the summer where he can hit the headlines again with more controversy and stories about who he met and where.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 08, 2017, 03:09:22 PM
I was looking at the board to see how many pages there are in the discussion about  Pat Spillane -4. 
Brolly has 227.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on May 08, 2017, 03:30:50 PM
Seems to be a few peoole here devoting significant time towards telling people not to give Brolly attention. Resulting in him getting increased attention. Great work lads lol.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 08, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
I saw this at first hand after Tyrone had systematically dragged down Meath in the last quarter of their last 16 game in 2013. Afterwards I went into the tunnel in Croke Park and the Meath team and management were standing in a group, seething with rage. They were not going into the players' lounge to share a drink with the Tyrone men. Not then. Not ever. They were sickened.

I wonder how Big Art and Eugene felt in 96? Back in the day when stamping and late tackling was the order of the day. Forgive me if I have little sympathy for a Meath team facing a little bit of underhand tactics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 04:00:13 PM
Who really gives a toss if players wont drink with the other team?

Its all about winning - would rather have the medal tucked in the pocket than drink with lads I didnt know or even less care about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 08, 2017, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 08, 2017, 04:00:13 PM
Who really gives a toss if players wont drink with the other team?

Its all about winning - would rather have the medal tucked in the pocket than drink with lads I didnt know or even less care about.

So Joe is spot on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on May 08, 2017, 07:08:42 PM
Its that win at any cost mentality which has been a major factor in the current situation where most GAA matches are awful to watch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on May 08, 2017, 07:28:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
I saw this at first hand after Tyrone had systematically dragged down Meath in the last quarter of their last 16 game in 2013. Afterwards I went into the tunnel in Croke Park and the Meath team and management were standing in a group, seething with rage. They were not going into the players' lounge to share a drink with the Tyrone men. Not then. Not ever. They were sickened.

I wonder how Big Art and Eugene felt in 96? Back in the day when stamping and late tackling was the order of the day. Forgive me if I have little sympathy for a Meath team facing a little bit of underhand tactics.

Ah the romance of football of yester year! When cynical play was not premeditated but more orchestrated! And that made it ok!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on May 08, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
I saw this at first hand after Tyrone had systematically dragged down Meath in the last quarter of their last 16 game in 2013. Afterwards I went into the tunnel in Croke Park and the Meath team and management were standing in a group, seething with rage. They were not going into the players' lounge to share a drink with the Tyrone men. Not then. Not ever. They were sickened.

I wonder how Big Art and Eugene felt in 96? Back in the day when stamping and late tackling was the order of the day. Forgive me if I have little sympathy for a Meath team facing a little bit of underhand tactics.

They were mad that someone was more dirty and cynical than them for a change. I like Brolly but trying to make people feel sorry for that Meath team is a stretch for even Joes powers !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 14, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

Boss said to get this link posted this evening, so here is today's sermon:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-it-was-an-illustration-of-how-bittersweet-life-is-the-kid-just-wants-to-live-35712500.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-it-was-an-illustration-of-how-bittersweet-life-is-the-kid-just-wants-to-live-35712500.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2017, 10:57:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
I saw this at first hand after Tyrone had systematically dragged down Meath in the last quarter of their last 16 game in 2013. Afterwards I went into the tunnel in Croke Park and the Meath team and management were standing in a group, seething with rage. They were not going into the players' lounge to share a drink with the Tyrone men. Not then. Not ever. They were sickened.

I wonder how Big Art and Eugene felt in 96? Back in the day when stamping and late tackling was the order of the day. Forgive me if I have little sympathy for a Meath team facing a little bit of underhand tactics.

They were mad that someone was more dirty and cynical than them for a change. I like Brolly but trying to make people feel sorry for that Meath team is a stretch for even Joes powers !
When it comes to Tyrone, Joe's on a mission, a mission of honour and righteousness. Joe's at his finest when it comes to Tyrone.
Long live Joe while he takes the píss out of anything Tyrone, for it is then that Joe speaks with true love for the game and denial of all that is dark. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 15, 2017, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2017, 11:51:27 AM

Brannigan and Fuzzy logic hear should be on the Brolly PR payroll. You keep us all well informed of all things Brollyesque

Boss said to get this link posted today because he had got an extra few column inches in the Indo today for a championship preview. Yawn ::)


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-you-are-deluded-if-you-think-any-weaker-county-can-upset-the-status-quo-in-any-province-35715247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-you-are-deluded-if-you-think-any-weaker-county-can-upset-the-status-quo-in-any-province-35715247.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 15, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
Good work agent Brannigan.

Joe's articles are getting a big boring, boring, boring.

Last year's game between Derry and Tyrone ended 0.12 to 3.14.
Not a bad total scored for a team that had never won at that venue before and hardly a defensive bore
I'd say he's bored watching Derry lose.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Catch and Kick on May 15, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Sickening disrespectful article by Brolly today. No surprise though in that rag. The Sunday Indo had no coverage of the Championship last weekend but gave a full page in the sports section to 'Rory's Stories', half page to gambling another to Joe... insightful GAA coverage in the Indo stable is non existent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on May 16, 2017, 11:38:15 AM
You could write the same article about the Rugby World Cup, the FA Cup, even the premier league to a large extent.  This piece is a classis smokescreen.  Editor tells him to do a championship preview.  he couldn't be arsed looking at new young players, the emergence of Kildare back to Division 1 after Back to Back promotions, Donegal looking strong with a new younger backbone, Galway maintaining some momentum, perhaps Cork even doing something this year.  It's far easier to go on a clichéd rant against the GAA, so today he insults all the counties in division 3 and 4, Tyrone, Meath, Sky Sports GAA, Senan Connell, Peter Canavan, Rachel Wyse, Monaghan, Donegal, Derry, all of Munster apart from Kerry (even though two more of their counties got to the Q final in 2016 and Tipp have been promoted). 

This is a person who knows absolutely nothing about football at all, but still manages to hog the spotlight. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
Joe has been called in to fight the case of Matthew Fitzpatrick

http://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=270353 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=270353)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 17, 2017, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 15, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Sickening disrespectful article by Brolly today. No surprise though in that rag. The Sunday Indo had no coverage of the Championship last weekend but gave a full page in the sports section to 'Rory's Stories', half page to gambling another to Joe... insightful GAA coverage in the Indo stable is non existent.

The sports section on a Sunday is about the only decent section of that newspaper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on May 17, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2017, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 15, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Sickening disrespectful article by Brolly today. No surprise though in that rag. The Sunday Indo had no coverage of the Championship last weekend but gave a full page in the sports section to 'Rory's Stories', half page to gambling another to Joe... insightful GAA coverage in the Indo stable is non existent.

The sports section on a Sunday is about the only decent section of that newspaper.

There is no decent section of that newspaper. An utter rag, and the daily edition is quickly catching up on it's Sunday version.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 17, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 17, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2017, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 15, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Sickening disrespectful article by Brolly today. No surprise though in that rag. The Sunday Indo had no coverage of the Championship last weekend but gave a full page in the sports section to 'Rory's Stories', half page to gambling another to Joe... insightful GAA coverage in the Indo stable is non existent.

The sports section on a Sunday is about the only decent section of that newspaper.

There is no decent section of that newspaper. An utter rag, and the daily edition is quickly catching up on it's Sunday version.

It has strong coverage of the Hutch-Kinahan feud, in-particular the ramifications from the Regency spectacular.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 17, 2017, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 17, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2017, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Catch and Kick on May 15, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
Sickening disrespectful article by Brolly today. No surprise though in that rag. The Sunday Indo had no coverage of the Championship last weekend but gave a full page in the sports section to 'Rory's Stories', half page to gambling another to Joe... insightful GAA coverage in the Indo stable is non existent.

The sports section on a Sunday is about the only decent section of that newspaper.

There is no decent section of that newspaper. An utter rag, and the daily edition is quickly catching up on it's Sunday version.
Though, saturday's edition would be the closest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Stallion on May 18, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/865080112907247616
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Joe's a one man  legal "Dream Team" plus Clint Eastwood.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
Better keep up the good work in bringing the word to the masses who won't read the Info.........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-have-to-take-more-care-in-disciplinary-cases-a-young-player-lived-a-nightmare-last-week-35737474.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-have-to-take-more-care-in-disciplinary-cases-a-young-player-lived-a-nightmare-last-week-35737474.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 21, 2017, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
Better keep up the good work in bringing the word to the masses who won't read the Info.........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-have-to-take-more-care-in-disciplinary-cases-a-young-player-lived-a-nightmare-last-week-35737474.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-have-to-take-more-care-in-disciplinary-cases-a-young-player-lived-a-nightmare-last-week-35737474.html)
CCCC, hostis humani generis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on May 22, 2017, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 22, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

I actually thought Liam Keane explained a complex situation pretty well.  Good line about 30 inaccuracies in Brolly's interview.  Brolly certainly gave the impression that he steamrollered through the appeal hearing with a pint of Guinness in his hand spouting Latin showing the Dublin fancy Dans who was boss.  He wasn't even there.
I thought Keane handled himself very well.

I also thought it was a good opportunity to hear from GAA people in his role who constantly have their integrity questioned by GAA people as if they're up in Croke Park trying to screw all the weaker teams' players.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on May 22, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 22, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

I actually thought Liam Keane explained a complex situation pretty well.  Good line about 30 inaccuracies in Brolly's interview.  Brolly certainly gave the impression that he steamrollered through the appeal hearing with a pint of Guinness in his hand spouting Latin showing the Dublin fancy Dans who was boss.  He wasn't even there.

Had to laugh at that bit, showed Brolly up for the bullshitter that he is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

Far from it, Benny.
Explained a complex issue very well, despite the clown of an interviewer butting in all the time.
Calm, logical and reasonable.
You'd know he was a Meath man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

Far from it, Benny.
Explained a complex issue very well, despite the clown of an interviewer butting in all the time.
Calm, logical and reasonable.
You'd know he was a Meath man.

I'll have a listen again. I was listening on the train on the way into work, so maybe I didn't give it full attention. I just thought he sounded like he was not prepared to accept any responsibility for the chain of events, even though the whole thing was a complete shambles. I didn't think he convincingly explained why the CCCC held on to evidence that could have made this a non incident had it been handled correctly. The whole bit on them having their reputation tarnished and they were amateurs too was a bit nauseating too considering the coverage Fitzpatrick got and nobody has a clue who Liam Keane was before that interview so hardly an equal comparison.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 22, 2017, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

Far from it, Benny.
Explained a complex issue very well, despite the clown of an interviewer butting in all the time.
Calm, logical and reasonable.
You'd know he was a Meath man.

I'd agree as well. Mayo's Keane was mentioned as an example of a player from a top 4 County say who was cleared to play, I wish he'd have been pushed a bit more on it (maybe he got off on a technicality, I can't remember).
The CHC man also mentioned that a player can have a club member accompany him to any of the 2 layers of the appeal process before it hits the DRA,  if that club man happens to be a solicitor, that's a stroke of luck for the player / club. I'd say there's many a club about have a handy solicitor as a member who hasn't darkened the doors of the clubhouse  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 22, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 22, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 22, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

I actually thought Liam Keane explained a complex situation pretty well.  Good line about 30 inaccuracies in Brolly's interview.  Brolly certainly gave the impression that he steamrollered through the appeal hearing with a pint of Guinness in his hand spouting Latin showing the Dublin fancy Dans who was boss.  He wasn't even there.

Had to laugh at that bit, showed Brolly up for the bullshitter that he is

Pretty sure Brolly mentions in his article that he drafted the appeal submissions but wasn't allowed to attend until the DRA stage which it never go to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 22, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Fair enough I don't get a chance to listen to OTB.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on May 22, 2017, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 22, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Fair enough I don't get a chance to listen to OTB.

Yeah, in the OTB interview, he made it sound like he rode in on a white horse and slew gaa pen pushers left and right before him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2017, 08:27:41 PM
I'm with Big Joe on this one. The disciplinary process was a farce and the CHC was a large part of that farce.  The mere fact that the CHC was ignorant of the rules of procedure was damning in itself and then Keane  protests that their hands were tied in the determined process to land the player with a 48 week ban and the stain of a perjurer.

The first rule of procedure is to be seen to be objective
and to go out of ones way to be seen to be objective and equal. This has all the signs of a witch hunt by a disciplinary process who were determined to nail the player over a nothing offense, getting him to travel up and down the country and when he fails to make a third trip, he's guilty by default? The case should never have been handed for a third time back to CHC. They might not have had ill intent but felt it was their duty, however that does not matter because the process was already toxic and had all the appearances of a witch hunt.

And then in the interview Keane ask Ger a couple of times, pleading an emotion,
"do you think that it is right that somebody can deliberately mislead the tribunal?"  Here Keane is betraying himself, being indignant at the perceived insult of a player who he believes deliberately misled his tribunal. There is no room for personal feelings in these matters, one could possibly conclude with justification that the indignant feelings of the CHC led them to ride roughshod over their own procedures in the rush to land the player with the suspension.

Ger was  quite within his rights to give a stuttering defensive Keane a hard time with the questions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on May 23, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
So after regaling us with stories of him baffling the CHC with Latin and his superior knowledge and intelligence, it turns out he wasn't even there.  What a man.

The case was simple.  Matthew Fitzpatrick hit a man in the head from behind.  Plain for anyone to see.  The Antrim secretary acted with integrity when he identified him.  But for some strange reason, the player couldn't identify himself.  Had he done so, he would have got a one match ban.

Then comes the shenanigans.  legal crap.  Brolly trying to get a man off. 

Then he was free to play and went over on his ankle and will be out for a month.  Had he just accepted his medicine, he would have been suspended last Sunday for a match they couldn't win anyway and then be ready to play in the back door.

But we in the GAA are too good at trying every single trick in the book to get out of facing the consequences of our actions.  And boys like Brolly are all too willing to help them.  And all summer boys will get sent off and the culture of trying to look for loopholes to get off will continue.

And then they'll blame everyone but themselves.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 23, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
I've said it before, the GAA needs to get a full legal team in place, (maybe including the likes of Brolly and Fergal Logan who seem to be experts at finding loopholes), rip up the rule book and start again, making sure all possible loopholes are fully tie up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
I've said it before, the GAA needs to get a full legal time in place, (maybe including the likes of Brolly and Fergal Logan who seem to be experts at finding loopholes), rip up the rule book and start again, making sure all possible loopholes are fully tie up.
Find out what structure works good elsewhere and implement it.

As it stands now, video evidence presented with the sole purpose of defending a named player against a charge
can be scrutinised by the CCCC to see if there is something happening elsewhere on the pitch.
Awful quality video is no deterrent. It doesn't matter that it's almost impossible to identify with any degree of certainty the alleged culprit/s or even what was the foul deed. Was it a hit, a touch, a mild scuff or just swiping at a wasp?
The CCCC are undaunted by all of this, they are on a mission. Where there is serious doubt, they will just surmise to fill in the gaps.
As it stands now, any moron with an agenda and a phone camera can take poor quality video of incidents on the pitch and send the recordings to the CCCC, where they will zealously attempt to make a disciplinary case out of it, just like this farce with Matt Fitz. If at first they don't succeed, the CCCC will try and try again to make the case fit against the player.

Take it to a next 'logical' step. Donegal are very good at making  surreptitious video recordings of their rivals. One could have a situation where 20 or 30 people with little cameras are placed around the pitch at the upcoming Derry v Tyrone game, recording every little incident on and off the ball. Quality is not important, the CCCC will just guess something serious must have happened even if the recording is foggy, blurred, shaky or out of focus. Post game, send all the recordings of the winning team players allegedly involved in contact into the CCCC for scrutiny. Should that county be Tyrone, the CCCC can then request the assistance of the Tyrone secretary who (just like the Antrim secretary) will no doubt be as keen as mustard to reveal the names of the players who he believes were involved. 

Then the CCCC send all that evidence to the CHC, who will  issue out an attend or be damned order to the all the Tyrone players involved. The CHC  faced with this overwhelming evidence of guilt will be duty bound to dish out the one game and 3 game bans to the Tyrone players. If it's as Seany suggests, a one game ban is appropriate for a hair ruffle, then most of the Tyrone team would at least miss out on the the semi final.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2017, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: AQMP on May 22, 2017, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

Far from it, Benny.
Explained a complex issue very well, despite the clown of an interviewer butting in all the time.
Calm, logical and reasonable.
You'd know he was a Meath man.

I'll have a listen again. I was listening on the train on the way into work and just thought he sounded like he was not prepared to accept any responsibility for the chain of events, even though the whole thing was a complete shambles. I didn't think he convincingly explained why the CCCC held on to evidence that could have made this a non incident had it been handled correctly. The whole bit on them having their reputation tarnished and they were amateurs too was a bit nauseating too considering the coverage Fitzpatrick got and nobody has a clue who Liam Keane was before that interview so hardly an equal comparison.

The CCC or CHC don't decide what goes in the papers.  To be fair it's clear the media haven't been 100% over the full detail.  However Keane went a long way to clearing up a lot of the unknowns.

But I'd agree there are still a few unclear elements e.g. how was Frankie Quinn* (the Antrim Sec) able to identify Fitzpatrick when no-one else, including Fitzpatrick himself, was able to identify him?

*BTW Frankie should not be the butt of Brolly's snide laughter but should be congratulated for his accuracy.  It is Fitzpatrick in the clip!

Do you honestly think Fitzpatrick couldn't identify himself?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2017, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 22, 2017, 08:27:41 PM
I'm with Big Joe on this one. The disciplinary process was a farce and the CHC was a large part of that farce.  The mere fact that the CHC was ignorant of the rules of procedure was damning in itself and then Keane  protests that their hands were tied in the determined process to land the player with a 48 week ban and the stain of a perjurer.

The first rule of procedure is to be seen to be objective
and to go out of ones way to be seen to be objective and equal. This has all the signs of a witch hunt by a disciplinary process who were determined to nail the player over a nothing offense, getting him to travel up and down the country and when he fails to make a third trip, he's guilty by default? The case should never have been handed for a third time back to CHC. They might not have had ill intent but felt it was their duty, however that does not matter because the process was already toxic and had all the appearances of a witch hunt.

And then in the interview Keane ask Ger a couple of times, pleading an emotion,
"do you think that it is right that somebody can deliberately mislead the tribunal?"  Here Keane is betraying himself, being indignant at the perceived insult of a player who he believes deliberately misled his tribunal. There is no room for personal feelings in these matters, one could possibly conclude with justification that the indignant feelings of the CHC led them to ride roughshod over their own procedures in the rush to land the player with the suspension.

Ger was  quite within his rights to give a stuttering defensive Keane a hard time with the questions.

Stop trying to make 'Big Joe' happen.
It's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 23, 2017, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: AQMP on May 22, 2017, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
I'm no fan of Joe Brolly, but his interview last week on Off The Ball last week was very entertaining, in particular the line about needing to be careful not to get "knocked over by kangaroos" at lower level GAA courts.  ;D

Whereas the guy from the CHC came across as a pompous moron!

Far from it, Benny.
Explained a complex issue very well, despite the clown of an interviewer butting in all the time.
Calm, logical and reasonable.
You'd know he was a Meath man.

I'll have a listen again. I was listening on the train on the way into work and just thought he sounded like he was not prepared to accept any responsibility for the chain of events, even though the whole thing was a complete shambles. I didn't think he convincingly explained why the CCCC held on to evidence that could have made this a non incident had it been handled correctly. The whole bit on them having their reputation tarnished and they were amateurs too was a bit nauseating too considering the coverage Fitzpatrick got and nobody has a clue who Liam Keane was before that interview so hardly an equal comparison.

The CCC or CHC don't decide what goes in the papers.  To be fair it's clear the media haven't been 100% over the full detail.  However Keane went a long way to clearing up a lot of the unknowns.

But I'd agree there are still a few unclear elements e.g. how was Frankie Quinn* (the Antrim Sec) able to identify Fitzpatrick when no-one else, including Fitzpatrick himself, was able to identify him?

*BTW Frankie should not be the butt of Brolly's snide laughter but should be congratulated for his accuracy.  It is Fitzpatrick in the clip!

Do you honestly think Fitzpatrick couldn't identify himself?
Belief has nothing to do with it. Fitzpatrick was hounded over a triviality. Players by default deny stuff. If a case is not proven, they walk.
After attending hearings twice, he was handed a 48 week ban for not turning up at a third CHC hearing, where he was  to be charged with deliberately misleading the CHC.
The CHC fcked up, as bad as GUBU. Keane is unfit for that duty. The CHC should have stood back and taken on board much wiser counsel.They had no procedural mandate to find the player guilty of that charge. The mere fact that they thought they could go for a 48 week ban, over what was nothing to begin with, betrays very bad judgement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 23, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 23, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
I've said it before, the GAA needs to get a full legal time in place, (maybe including the likes of Brolly and Fergal Logan who seem to be experts at finding loopholes), rip up the rule book and start again, making sure all possible loopholes are fully tie up.

I've some sympathy for this approach Benny but the counties, players and management could help matters by fessing up and taking their medicine too.  Both approaches needed.

He didn't even do anything . . . he pushed him in the back as far as I could see it was hardly assault. A complete mountain out of a mole hill and I'm glad the young lad got off!

Compare that to lads who actually throw boxes and kicks and still appeal decisions based on a technicality it's night and day!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
Just in case there is some doubt where this CCCC and CHC fckid up and are not fit for purpose.

The proper procedure is the CHC presents all the evidence to support the charge against the player at the Hearing.

The fuzzy video is presented, Fitz denies that it is he.
If the more clear evidence had been presented, then Fitz might well have said, 'okay that does look like me', 'yes it is me', 'lets look at the further evidence'.

All the evidence has to be presented at the hearing and it has to be decided there and then if the player is intentionally misleading the CHC based on the evidence presented. The CHC can't suddenly be given other evidence after the Hearing which was not presented to the player at the original Hearing and construct a new charge.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 12:34:11 PM
So players lie all the time??  Don't you see how difficult that makes the authorities job?
Afaia most players on the pitch take issue over  decisions made against them which involve some doubt.
If the evidence in a disciplinary case is unclear, a player has the right to deny the charge, it's up to the CHC to prove otherwise.

Afaia defendants facing charges in the courts have the right to deny those charges. The courts have the burden to prove the case.
If a guilty verdict is handed out, the defendent cops the verdict. There is no big hissy fit by the judge, as in 'how dare the defendant deliberately deceive the court etc.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
Just in case there is some doubt where this CCCC and CHC fckid up and are not fit for purpose.

The proper procedure is the CHC presents all the evidence to support the charge against the player at the Hearing.

The fuzzy video is presented, Fitz denies that it is he.
If the more clear evidence had been presented, then Fitz might well have said, 'okay that does look like me', 'yes it is me', 'lets look at the further evidence'.

All the evidence has to be presented at the hearing and it has to be decided there and then if the player is intentionally misleading the CHC based on the evidence presented. The CHC can't suddenly be given other evidence after the Hearing which was not presented to the player at the original Hearing and construct a new charge.

If the video evidence was fuzzy and unclear how was MF absolutely certain it wasn't him?
You still don't get it, no wonder Joe appears to be a super legal eagle.
The one thing  for sure is  that the CHC had no legal right to proceed with the 3rd charge. So whether Mat was not sure, or a little bit sure, or very sure,  or most definitely sure that it was not him in that fuzzy video,  does not not matter one whit.
The CHC fcked up, Keane fckd up and he still struggles with accepting that he fcked up as he spent so much time trying to justify why he and the CHC fcked up in that off the ball interview.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on May 23, 2017, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2017, 04:59:04 PM


I'd agree as well. Mayo's Keane was mentioned as an example of a player from a top 4 County say who was cleared to play, I wish he'd have been pushed a bit more on it (maybe he got off on a technicality, I can't remember).

Keane was sent off for striking. The camera showed clearly that he didn't strike, merely lightly tapped his opponent on the face. Same as Darren Hughes who got sent off for striking after ruffling his opponent's hair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 23, 2017, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: five points on May 23, 2017, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2017, 04:59:04 PM


I'd agree as well. Mayo's Keane was mentioned as an example of a player from a top 4 County say who was cleared to play, I wish he'd have been pushed a bit more on it (maybe he got off on a technicality, I can't remember).

Keane was sent off for striking. The camera showed clearly that he didn't strike, merely lightly tapped his opponent on the face. Same as Darren Hughes who got sent off for striking after ruffling his opponent's hair.

He did strike. Category 3 offence, 'striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee'... minimum 1 match ban. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2017, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: five points on May 23, 2017, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2017, 04:59:04 PM


I'd agree as well. Mayo's Keane was mentioned as an example of a player from a top 4 County say who was cleared to play, I wish he'd have been pushed a bit more on it (maybe he got off on a technicality, I can't remember).

Keane was sent off for striking. The camera showed clearly that he didn't strike, merely lightly tapped his opponent on the face. Same as Darren Hughes who got sent off for striking after ruffling his opponent's hair.

What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on May 23, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 23, 2017, 01:52:21 PM
What does that even mean?
What it says.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
Just in case there is some doubt where this CCCC and CHC fckid up and are not fit for purpose.

The proper procedure is the CHC presents all the evidence to support the charge against the player at the Hearing.

The fuzzy video is presented, Fitz denies that it is he.
If the more clear evidence had been presented, then Fitz might well have said, 'okay that does look like me', 'yes it is me', 'lets look at the further evidence'.

All the evidence has to be presented at the hearing and it has to be decided there and then if the player is intentionally misleading the CHC based on the evidence presented. The CHC can't suddenly be given other evidence after the Hearing which was not presented to the player at the original Hearing and construct a new charge.

If the video evidence was fuzzy and unclear how was MF absolutely certain it wasn't him?
You still don't get it, no wonder Joe appears to be a super legal eagle.
The one thing  for sure is  that the CHC had no legal right to proceed with the 3rd charge. So whether Mat was not sure, or a little bit sure, or very sure,  or most definitely sure that it was not him in that fuzzy video,  does not not matter one whit.
The CHC fcked up, Keane fckd up and he still struggles with accepting that he fcked up as he spent so much time trying to justify why he and the CHC fcked up in that off the ball interview.

nonsense from start to finish.
So you don't agree with Liam Keane or the CAC?

I will spell it out word for word, very slowly.

Matt was suspended  for 48 weeks by the CHC, who  used  rule 7.3.3 A,  something or other, to justify their decision.

Radio interview
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/192709/Liam_Keane_of_the_CHC_on_the_Matthew_Fitzpatrick_case
(http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/192709/Liam_Keane_of_the_CHC_on_the_Matthew_Fitzpatrick_case)
Ger. "Why did the CAC kick it out?"

Liam Keane  "the CAC said  "in using that rule ..... emmm,    it can only be ...emmm enforced or availed of by a hearing committee 
if the evidence had been presented at the hearing where the false evidence was given,
that's the decision of the appeals committee."

The evidence in question was the video of the full game.

Are you going to shut up with your nonsense, once and for all time.  You're contradicting what Keane said on radio and his account of the CAC's reasons for their judgement.
You're not fit to lick the soles of Joe Brolly's brogues. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on May 24, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2017, 01:31:26 PM

He did strike. Category 3 offence, 'striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee'... minimum 1 match ban. What am I missing?

You're missing the meaning of the word strike. It means the inflicting of a blow. It does not include a light tap nor a hair ruffle. Do look it up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 24, 2017, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: five points on May 24, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2017, 01:31:26 PM

He did strike. Category 3 offence, 'striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee'... minimum 1 match ban. What am I missing?

You're missing the meaning of the word strike. It means the inflicting of a blow. It does not include a light tap nor a hair ruffle. Do look it up.
Exactly five points
Also due to the poor quality of that phone video and the long distance, we don't even know what happened or what appeared to happen in that video.
What was it? was it a strike, a tap, a gentle stroke or nothing?

The first thing to be considered by the CCCC is 'cause of action', that even if the charge was proven, is the offense sufficiently serious enough to warrant the attention of the CCCC and later the CHC. The answer to that is an emphatic no. There was not enough cause for action. Stuff like that happens all the time. If the match officials miss it on the day, then "forgetaboutit".
Secondly, the quality of the evidence was so dubious that it was laughable. The CCCC and to a lesser extent the CHC ended up having egg poured over their face.

Joe had it spot on with his parody, whoever in the CCCC happened upon that video and thought to open up an investigation, is petty, vindictive, a zero tolerance extremist and also one who hasn't got an adequate knowledge about ethical & legal disciplinary procedures.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 24, 2017, 11:34:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 24, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
We're obviously not going to agree on this MS and I'll take your insult in the last line in the good spirit in which I'm sure it's intended  ;)
if you applied more rationality and less emotion, it would go no small way to agreeing with me  ;D
However I am in complete agreement with the CAC's ruling and by default, Liam Keane's rational acceptance of their ruling, despite his emotional reservations.
Fwiw, Joe never claimed he was at the CAC hearing, he always said he could not attend that but had briefed the Antrim reps beforehand  on what points to argue.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PW Nally on May 25, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
How good a footballer is his son on the Antrim minors this year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 25, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: PW Nally on May 25, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
How good a footballer is his son on the Antrim minors this year?

Currently a sub for Antrim minors but only 16.

Has great potential and seems to be level headed.

Wont do much with Antrim unfortunately when he progresses to seniors such is the shambles set up there
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on May 29, 2017, 08:46:43 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 25, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: PW Nally on May 25, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
How good a footballer is his son on the Antrim minors this year?

Currently a sub for Antrim minors but only 16.

Has great potential and seems to be level headed.

Wont do much with Antrim unfortunately when he progresses to seniors such is the shambles set up there

Does he play with Rossa or St Brides?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 29, 2017, 09:22:29 AM
I wonder who Damian Barton was talking about in his Off The Ball interview when he said about one pundit; "Somebody should put "attention seeker" on his forehead"?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 29, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 29, 2017, 08:46:43 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 25, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: PW Nally on May 25, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
How good a footballer is his son on the Antrim minors this year?

Currently a sub for Antrim minors but only 16.

Has great potential and seems to be level headed.

Wont do much with Antrim unfortunately when he progresses to seniors such is the shambles set up there

Does he play with Rossa or St Brides?

Hurling for rossa. Football for st brides.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 29, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
Joe's at it again. In this weeks Indo's GAA podcast.

https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie (https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie)

The first question put to him was about Kerry's doping secret, Joe managed to turn it around mid sentence and in a flash he was at Celtic Park watching the minors take to the pitch and in particular the Tyrone minors coming on to the pitch and "the physiques were just extraordinary", "like looking at a provincial rugby team com on to the pitch".

Joe lowered his voice to a conspiratorial deep husky whisper (that didn't dare to actually mention drugs)
"we were just sitting there  and everybody  was saying, whao, look at the physiques."

They should dump that name 'The Throw In'  and just title the podcasts,
"Joe Brolly and the Innuendoes"  ;D


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Brilliant
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shark on July 15, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Brilliant

He has Brolly nailed. Does Des Cahill superbly as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: shark on July 15, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Brilliant

He has Brolly nailed.

Absolutely.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on July 15, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
Did anyone see Joe being interviewed by Dáire O Cinneide on GAA Nua a week ago?

It went something like this:

JB - What is the Super 8 doing for grassroots? Even calling it the Super 8......
DOC - Well it wasn't the GAA that called it that.......
JB - ....(confused look).........well it was inevitable that it was going to be called that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2017, 04:40:47 PM
In fairness that lad on Joe gas got talent and he actually scripts it well too. There is a bit of truth in it as well...
Their one viewer Mr Richard Clerkin... 😛
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on July 15, 2017, 05:06:48 PM
He's brilliant at Ger Loughnane...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2017, 04:40:47 PM
In fairness that lad on Joe gas got talent and he actually scripts it well too. There is a bit of truth in it as well...
Their one viewer Mr Richard Clerkin... 😛

You mean Dick Clerkin?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on July 15, 2017, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2017, 04:40:47 PM
In fairness that lad on Joe gas got talent and he actually scripts it well too. There is a bit of truth in it as well...
Their one viewer Mr Richard Clerkin... 😛

It's a great sketch and he's great at Brollys mannerisms even if the accent is a bit off. Loughnane is hilarious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on July 15, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: shark on July 15, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Brilliant


He has Brolly nailed.

Absolutely.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241)

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on July 15, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 15, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: shark on July 15, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Has Joe been evicted from the Sunday Game and joined SKY?

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176 (https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/885922833452466176)
Brilliant


He has Brolly nailed.

Absolutely.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/885925742370058241)

Brilliant.

Top class. He's more Joe than Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2017, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2017, 04:40:47 PM
In fairness that lad on Joe gas got talent and he actually scripts it well too. There is a bit of truth in it as well...
Their one viewer Mr Richard Clerkin... 😛

It's a great sketch and he's great at Brollys mannerisms even if the accent is a bit off. Loughnane is hilarious.
He had a line that went

"You have some neck on you Ger, ha"
"I have no neck ha"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on July 16, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
We've seen less and less of Joe Brolly this year on RTE. Hopefully they've seen him for the bluffer he is (Galway are shite, tell a story, use big words) Watching SKY yesterday showed what analysis could be when it is done properly. Peter Canavan brilliant. James Horan excellent. They just cover the game!  No insults, no personal attacks, no rambling stories, no egotistical posturing and no raindrops on the camera ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on July 16, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Seany on July 16, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
We've seen less and less of Joe Brolly this year on RTE. Hopefully they've seen him for the bluffer he is (Galway are shite, tell a story, use big words) Watching SKY yesterday showed what analysis could be when it is done properly. Peter Canavan brilliant. James Horan excellent. They just cover the game!  No insults, no personal attacks, no rambling stories, no egotistical posturing and no raindrops on the camera ffs.

Don't forget Rachael :D :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)

It's not surprising that most of the praise for Sky is coming from Tyrone homers and other Ulster counties Joe has offended.

If Sky is better than RTÉ, some here are easily amused by a touch screen and a pretty lady.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)
Is it difficult to understand that the TV3 package was available fta including Canavan's absolutely unique brilliant incisive punditry (the sweeper shoulda got in front of his man there), now this same package is available on Sky with the same commentators, similar pundit format, for a subscription fee and that's the main gripe with Sky. A Sky sub costs extra money on top of a tv license and Sky's viewing figures are pathetic, both in Ireland and Britain.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on July 17, 2017, 04:09:56 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)
Is it difficult to understand that the TV3 package was available fta including Canavan's absolutely unique brilliant incisive punditry (the sweeper shoulda got in front of his man there), now this same package is available on Sky with the same commentators, similar pundit format, for a subscription fee and that's the main gripe with Sky. A Sky sub costs extra money on top of a tv license and Sky's viewing figures are pathetic, both in Ireland and Britain.

What was the TV3 figures like in Britain?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:12:43 AM
Sky kicks RTE's ass in terms of coverage. They've better commentators/better analysts and an all round better format. If it was transported lock stock across to RTE it would be an infinite improvement.

The only issue with Sky is the fact that their viewership is practically non existent!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 17, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:12:43 AM
Sky kicks RTE's ass in terms of coverage. They've better commentators/better analysts and an all round better format. If it was transported lock stock across to RTE it would be an infinite improvement.

The only issue with Sky is the fact that their viewership is practically non existent!

They do have one viewer, a Mr Richard Clerkin.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on July 17, 2017, 09:54:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)

It's not surprising that most of the praise for Sky is coming from Tyrone homers and other Ulster counties Joe have offended.

If Sky is better than RTÉ, some here are easily amused by a touch screen and a pretty lady.

Agreed - fail to see what it offers in analysis except stating the obvious and boredom
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on July 17, 2017, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:12:43 AM
Sky kicks RTE's ass in terms of coverage. They've better commentators/better analysts and an all round better format. If it was transported lock stock across to RTE it would be an infinite improvement.

The only issue with Sky is the fact that their viewership is practically non existent!

There is something that needs seriously factored into this... 90% (at least) of people i know watching sky are doing so illegally. I'm quite certain that percentage wouldn't extrapolate similarly beyond my own demographics and geography but from casual experience it is a fairly significant number.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2017, 04:09:56 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:22 PM
Sky coverage is miles ahead of RTE - proper analysis of games. Although McGuiness is a loss to their coverage. I don't get the anti sky agenda - any time I go to watch something on RTE player it says available island of Ireland only despite the fact that I live in the fking island!
Also just get a fking fire stick l :)
Is it difficult to understand that the TV3 package was available fta including Canavan's absolutely unique brilliant incisive punditry (the sweeper shoulda got in front of his man there), now this same package is available on Sky with the same commentators, similar pundit format, for a subscription fee and that's the main gripe with Sky. A Sky sub costs extra money on top of a tv license and Sky's viewing figures are pathetic, both in Ireland and Britain.

What was the TV3 figures like in Britain?
I don't know how many people in Britain used an Irish sky card to gain access to TV3, but Premier Sports carried the satellite subscription service  to the GAA followers in Britain. The Sky viewing figures are pathetic in Britain and also in Ireland.

Sky have not markedly improved on the fta TV3 service in Ireland. Maybe the TV3 presenter, the TV3 commentators, the TV3 pundits and the TV3 format, sounds so much better when you pay for it on Sky, than it did on fta TV3  ::)

Anecdotal reference  to  alleged numbers of delinquents illegally viewing Sky content in the 6 counties cannot be part of any reasoned discussion :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Sky is shite for both viewing and for the promotion of the sport. Duffy sees the 11 million Euros a year they send over and wets himself with excitement and that's the only reason they are involved at all. The best hope to get rid of Sky is if they realise no one is watching and no one is buying their service for GAA coverage, it won't be a decision Duffy's "non-profit" Association will make themselves.

The sad part is so much of that money goes into warping the competitiveness of the championship and given it papers over the obvious cracks in declining viewership and attendance, it can hardly be seen as a net positive for the GAA.

The GAA looks like it needs a calamity to happen before real change will occur. And Dublin are well on the way to producing that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
No matter about the merits of payments and only a small % having Sky there is no doubting the quality of the product.

Commentators are on par if not better and the analysis is about 10 times better than the dirge RTE produce.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 17, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Sky is shite for both viewing and for the promotion of the sport. Duffy sees the 11 million Euros a year they send over and wets himself with excitement and that's the only reason they are involved at all. The best hope to get rid of Sky is if they realise no one is watching and no one is buying their service for GAA coverage, it won't be a decision Duffy's "non-profit" Association will make themselves.

The sad part is so much of that money goes into warping the competitiveness of the championship and given it papers over the obvious cracks in declining viewership and attendance, it can hardly be seen as a net positive for the GAA.

The GAA looks like it needs a calamity to happen before real change will occur. And Dublin are well on the way to producing that.
As a matter of interest, what do you reckon Duffy is doing with the Sky money? I was of the opinion that this, along with all other income was reinvested in the organisation but perhaps I'm wrong and Duffy is maybe drinking it or something. Can you enlighten me please.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on July 17, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 17, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Sky is shite for both viewing and for the promotion of the sport. Duffy sees the 11 million Euros a year they send over and wets himself with excitement and that's the only reason they are involved at all. The best hope to get rid of Sky is if they realise no one is watching and no one is buying their service for GAA coverage, it won't be a decision Duffy's "non-profit" Association will make themselves.

The sad part is so much of that money goes into warping the competitiveness of the championship and given it papers over the obvious cracks in declining viewership and attendance, it can hardly be seen as a net positive for the GAA.

The GAA looks like it needs a calamity to happen before real change will occur. And Dublin are well on the way to producing that.
As a matter of interest, what do you reckon Duffy is doing with the Sky money? I was of the opinion that this, along with all other income was reinvested in the organisation but perhaps I'm wrong and Duffy is maybe drinking it or something. Can you enlighten me please.
I saw him in Boylesports with notes falling out of his pockets. He left and entered a limo sipping champagne and snorting coke off a young lady's bum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 17, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Sky is shite for both viewing and for the promotion of the sport. Duffy sees the 11 million Euros a year they send over and wets himself with excitement and that's the only reason they are involved at all. The best hope to get rid of Sky is if they realise no one is watching and no one is buying their service for GAA coverage, it won't be a decision Duffy's "non-profit" Association will make themselves.

The sad part is so much of that money goes into warping the competitiveness of the championship and given it papers over the obvious cracks in declining viewership and attendance, it can hardly be seen as a net positive for the GAA.

The GAA looks like it needs a calamity to happen before real change will occur. And Dublin are well on the way to producing that.
As a matter of interest, what do you reckon Duffy is doing with the Sky money? I was of the opinion that this, along with all other income was reinvested in the organisation but perhaps I'm wrong and Duffy is maybe drinking it or something. Can you enlighten me please.

Reinvested in what county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Sky is shite for both viewing and for the promotion of the sport. Duffy sees the 11 million Euros a year they send over and wets himself with excitement and that's the only reason they are involved at all.
Yet another person who swallows wholesale the  devious reports in the newspapers that made erroneous claims as to what the Sky package is worth to the GAA.

The GAA make about EUR 11m in TOTAL from all media sales.

The GAA do not make anything of substance from the deal with Sky, over and above what they would get from fta TV3.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Sorry if this was answered before but is sky 5 available over in England?
Is it not in the GAA's interests to be promoting our game outside of Ireland as well.
A lot of ex pats would gladly pay to watch games live on sky I'd say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Sorry if this was answered before but is sky 5 available over in England?
Is it not in the GAA's interests to be promoting our game outside of Ireland as well.
A lot of ex pats would gladly pay to watch games live on sky I'd say.

All the live SKY games are available to anyone with the Sky Sports package.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on July 17, 2017, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Sorry if this was answered before but is sky 5 available over in England?
Is it not in the GAA's interests to be promoting our game outside of Ireland as well.
A lot of ex pats would gladly pay to watch games live on sky I'd say.
I think that's the main goal with the Sky deal, or am I misunderstanding what you're asking?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 17, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 17, 2017, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Sorry if this was answered before but is sky 5 available over in England?
Is it not in the GAA's interests to be promoting our game outside of Ireland as well.
A lot of ex pats would gladly pay to watch games live on sky I'd say.
I think that's the main goal with the Sky deal, or am I misunderstanding what you're asking?
A friend of mine mentioned a story about some West Indians who allegedly asked for a Sunday off work so that they could watch the 'Paddy Cricket'. Might be an urban myth but it would be great if it was true. Your previous post was hilarious by the way
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
Yeah that was my point that it's great as there's such a large Irish population in the UK and in Europe. Presume they can't get sky in the US.

I see Brolly did some ass licking to Gooch yesterday. All best buddy complements and really pretending he was a huge big fan. Then O'Rourke called him out over it.
Gooch still looks like a kid just outta school and that was funny he got lost in his way into Croker as the gates were locked.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 06, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
The Boss wanted this article from today's Indo distributed to all:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-tyrone-wont-have-the-pace-or-the-skill-advantage-in-semifinal-with-dublin-36003714.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-tyrone-wont-have-the-pace-or-the-skill-advantage-in-semifinal-with-dublin-36003714.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
Sure he's a big hurling fan now anyway after today. You see his tweet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aughafad on August 06, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
Typically lazy journalist from a know-it-all.

"Young David Mulgrew poached two beautiful goals, one off either foot, to give the purists something to savour"

No he fecking didn't, both were scored with his right foot as far as i could see.

Then the cheap personal shots at tiernan mccann.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 06, 2017, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on August 06, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
Typically lazy journalist from a know-it-all.

"Young David Mulgrew poached two beautiful goals, one off either foot, to give the purists something to savour"

No he fecking didn't, both were scored with his right foot as far as i could see.

Then the cheap personal shots at tiernan mccann.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 06, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
The Boss wanted this article from today's Indo distributed to all:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-tyrone-wont-have-the-pace-or-the-skill-advantage-in-semifinal-with-dublin-36003714.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-tyrone-wont-have-the-pace-or-the-skill-advantage-in-semifinal-with-dublin-36003714.html)

And Clarke didn't slip. He was the victim of a perfectly executed tackle from Tiernan McCann.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on August 06, 2017, 10:19:50 PM
Tiernan McCann was actually assaulted but not a word about it.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2017, 11:44:13 PM
Why does he feel a need to use such foul language?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Seems to me like a humorous piece not far from the truth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on August 06, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
Typically lazy journalist from a know-it-all.

"Young David Mulgrew poached two beautiful goals, one off either foot, to give the purists something to savour"

No he fecking didn't, both were scored with his right foot as far as i could see.

Then the cheap personal shots at tiernan mccann.

Is this the personal shot.

With the game over so early, the only real excitement came in the second half when Tiernan McCann went down and for a second, the Tyrone crowd worried his hair had been spoiled. A wash and blow dry in Cute Curls in Killyclogher costs nearly £15.

f**k you Tyronies are thin skinned!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on August 07, 2017, 04:01:08 PM
Utter utter crap from Brolly and ORourke there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
Pity Brolly didn't take the train home....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on August 07, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: Seany on August 07, 2017, 04:01:08 PM
Utter utter crap from Brolly and ORourke there.

I thought they had a point. How many players refuse to play inter county football because of the time/effort involved with no chance of winning a trophy. They had to change the rules for transfers to US/Australia a few years ago because so many players quit county panels to go abroad after losing in the championship rather than play in the qualifiers.

Also how exactly will the super8s help Wicklow/wexford/leitrim etc. All about money for GAA and screw the little guy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aughafad on August 07, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on August 06, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
Typically lazy journalist from a know-it-all.

"Young David Mulgrew poached two beautiful goals, one off either foot, to give the purists something to savour"

No he fecking didn't, both were scored with his right foot as far as i could see.

Then the cheap personal shots at tiernan mccann.

Is this the personal shot.

With the game over so early, the only real excitement came in the second half when Tiernan McCann went down and for a second, the Tyrone crowd worried his hair had been spoiled. A wash and blow dry in Cute Curls in Killyclogher costs nearly £15.

f**k you Tyronies are thin skinned!

And you are too stupid to get the point!

Journalism is to report on what happened during an event or if it's an opinion peace to give your opinion not miss the ball and play the man.

Brolly is a bit like yourself trying to score points by being the big lad with his personal digs whilst in reality he hasn't the balls or manners to say anything meaningful instead eulogising the masses with some bullshit story he heard in some backwards pub in Donegal
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 06, 2017, 10:19:50 PM
Tiernan McCann was actually assaulted but not a word about it.......

Sure Joes all for laying the knee in on skillful players on the ground now, it shows fight or somethin .... an A1slabber
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on August 07, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
You boys need to lighten up FFS. McCann opened himself up to what is a bit of harmless piss-taking with that shameful behaviour against Monaghan.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on August 07, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on August 06, 2017, 09:51:45 PM
Typically lazy journalist from a know-it-all.

"Young David Mulgrew poached two beautiful goals, one off either foot, to give the purists something to savour"

No he fecking didn't, both were scored with his right foot as far as i could see.

Then the cheap personal shots at tiernan mccann.

Is this the personal shot.

With the game over so early, the only real excitement came in the second half when Tiernan McCann went down and for a second, the Tyrone crowd worried his hair had been spoiled. A wash and blow dry in Cute Curls in Killyclogher costs nearly £15.

f**k you Tyronies are thin skinned!

And you are too stupid to get the point!

Journalism is to report on what happened during an event or if it's an opinion peace to give your opinion not miss the ball and play the man.

Brolly is a bit like yourself trying to score points by being the big lad with his personal digs whilst in reality he hasn't the balls or manners to say anything meaningful instead eulogising the masses with some bullshit story he heard in some backwards pub in Donegal

Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
You boys need to lighten up FFS. McCann opened himself up to what is a bit of harmless piss-taking with that shameful behaviour against Monaghan.

Point well made - dry your eyes kid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
You boys need to lighten up FFS. McCann opened himself up to what is a bit of harmless piss-taking with that shameful behaviour against Monaghan.

Taking the piss about a man being kneed on the ground?

I suppose your bored with Trump on holiday ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on August 07, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
You boys need to lighten up FFS. McCann opened himself up to what is a bit of harmless piss-taking with that shameful behaviour against Monaghan.

Taking the piss about a man being kneed on the ground?

I suppose your bored with Trump on holiday ;)

Taking the piss out of man on the ground based on his previous history of "collapsing" to make a point about the dullness of the contest.

I'm sure had McCann been hurt and had to leave the game, Brolly would have left it alone in the column published the day AFTER the game.

So like I said, lighten up! You'd have to be looking for offense to react badly to a throwaway line like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
You boys need to lighten up FFS. McCann opened himself up to what is a bit of harmless piss-taking with that shameful behaviour against Monaghan.

Taking the piss about a man being kneed on the ground?

I suppose your bored with Trump on holiday ;)

Taking the piss out of man on the ground based on his previous history of "collapsing" to make a point about the dullness of the contest.

I'm sure had McCann been hurt and had to leave the game, Brolly would have left it alone in the column published the day AFTER the game.

So like I said, lighten up! You'd have to be looking for offense to react badly to a throwaway line like that.

Well you know us Tyronies we are like our departed brethren neighbours this time of year.
so...

how sure are you that Joe would have left it alone? Im not!
And besides it wasnt the outcome that we are talkign about which could have been worse, it was the opportunistic thuggery against a defenceless victim and Joe's apathy towards it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Seems to me like a humorous piece not far from the truth.
Joe's at his best when taking the píss out of Tyrone GAA and cutting close to the bone at the same time.
I think a large part of the pleasure for Joe is knowing they can't handle a píss take, I suppose they would have to recognise one first.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 09:05:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Seems to me like a humorous piece not far from the truth.
Joe's at his best when taking the píss out of Tyrone GAA and cutting close to the bone at the same time.
I think a large part of the pleasure for Joe is knowing they can't handle a píss take, I suppose they would have to recognise one first.

Joe Brolly taking the piss doesn't bother me in the slightest. What is slightly erksome is that this country is full of meatheads who can't think for themselves and believe Joe's word is gospel.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2017, 09:15:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 09:05:32 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Seems to me like a humorous piece not far from the truth.
Joe's at his best when taking the píss out of Tyrone GAA and cutting close to the bone at the same time.
I think a large part of the pleasure for Joe is knowing they can't handle a píss take, I suppose they would have to recognise one first.

Joe Brolly taking the piss doesn't bother me in the slightest. What is slightly erksome is that this country is full of meatheads who can't think for themselves and believe Joe's word is gospel.

???

But it is true, Benny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PW Nally on August 08, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Brolly did not like the Andy Moran celebration after scoring his goal yesterday. He lifted his hand in celebration with a straight face.


https://youtu.be/-dVuRjLW2cQ

Kinda sums up Mr. Brolly for me.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on August 09, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on August 08, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Brolly did not like the Andy Moran celebration after scoring his goal yesterday. He lifted his hand in celebration with a straight face.


https://youtu.be/-dVuRjLW2cQ

Kinda sums up Mr. Brolly for me.

Yip https://twitter.com/castleDD/status/894558458976055298 (https://twitter.com/castleDD/status/894558458976055298)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on August 09, 2017, 01:20:12 PM
Heard 40,000 Mayo fans turned up in McHale Park to welcome the Mayo team home after winning their Quarter Final on Monday!  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 09, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 09, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on August 08, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Brolly did not like the Andy Moran celebration after scoring his goal yesterday. He lifted his hand in celebration with a straight face.


https://youtu.be/-dVuRjLW2cQ

Kinda sums up Mr. Brolly for me.

Yip https://twitter.com/castleDD/status/894558458976055298 (https://twitter.com/castleDD/status/894558458976055298)
That's a selective snip worthy of the Kremlin in Stalin's days.
You Tyrone boys are best when picking the scabs of your ancient historical grudges.

What Joe was saying was that Andy needed a proper goal celebration considering the booing last week.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/894558074022875136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsjoe.ie%2Fgaa%2Fjoe-brolly-problem-andy-morans-celebration-roscommon-132990 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/894558074022875136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsjoe.ie%2Fgaa%2Fjoe-brolly-problem-andy-morans-celebration-roscommon-132990)

But thanks for the link to that historic goal (and celebration) from Joe  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on August 21, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
Joe's article yesterday http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mayo-should-urinate-on-patronising-newspaper-columns-of-exkerry-players-before-todays-game-36049195.html

Joe earlier in the summer https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-mayo-3-368210

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 24, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Latest thoughts..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-colm-cooper-will-live-to-regret-decision-to-enrich-himself-36162020.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-colm-cooper-will-live-to-regret-decision-to-enrich-himself-36162020.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TabClear on September 25, 2017, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 24, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Latest thoughts..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-colm-cooper-will-live-to-regret-decision-to-enrich-himself-36162020.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-colm-cooper-will-live-to-regret-decision-to-enrich-himself-36162020.html)

He has a lucrative punditry contract with RTE and a weekly newspaper column. These are no more than he deserves. But with all of this comes a responsibility.

Yeah, if only every pundit was as responsible as you Joe.....nothing self serving in your weekly rants/controversies/character assassinations.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on September 25, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
Brolly is a bollix......end of.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rois on October 01, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Joe's article is factually inaccurate today - Club Tyrone has not raised a huge amount of money in the US (yet).
As for not being an attack on Tyrone specifically (where he attacked Garvaghey, Omagh, the Academy initiative), that's some rant about the VOLUNTEERS who are involved in the Academy and I don't see any other county being mentioned in the article. An attack it was.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: under the bar on October 01, 2017, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Joe's article is factually inaccurate today - Club Tyrone has not raised a huge amount of money in the US (yet).
As for not being an attack on Tyrone specifically (where he attacked Garvaghey, Omagh, the Academy initiative), that's some rant about the VOLUNTEERS who are involved in the Academy and I don't see any other county being mentioned in the article. An attack it was.

He's an narcissistic @r$€hole Rois who delights in annoying people and bringing attention to himself in doing so.  With this in mind would you EVER expect anything he writes or says to be factually accurate?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 01, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
I'm not too bothered with Joe, he's a bollix. It's the masses that lap up his horse shite. "Joe sezs it so it must be true."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 01, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
Joe is usually right and tells the truth which really does people's heads in because they can't handle the truth... like that Jack Nicholson movie.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 01, 2017, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
Joe is usually right and tells the truth which really does people's heads in because they can't handle the truth... like that Jack Nicholson movie.
The Witches of Eastwick?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: never kickt a ball on October 01, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
Joe is usually right and tells the truth which really does people's heads in because they can't handle the truth... like that Jack Nicholson movie.

One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 02, 2017, 08:33:54 AM
If anyone read Colm O'Rourke's column on sunday he said the he one of alot of other people not happy with Gooch's testimonial dinner but Brolly was the only person who was willing to come out and say it to the Gooch. I think he's right as well.

What part of Joe's column was inaccurate on Sunday? Tyrone did have arrange for a SFC game to be played in Armagh and for all the money spent on the centre of excellence I don't remember seeing a stand for spectators
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on October 02, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2017, 08:33:54 AM
If anyone read Colm O'Rourke's column on sunday he said the he one of alot of other people not happy with Gooch's testimonial dinner but Brolly was the only person who was willing to come out and say it to the Gooch. I think he's right as well.

What part of Joe's column was inaccurate on Sunday? Tyrone did have arrange for a SFC game to be played in Armagh and for all the money spent on the centre of excellence I don't remember seeing a stand for spectators

Priority was building the clubhouse in the shape of a giant T.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on October 02, 2017, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: under the bar on October 01, 2017, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Joe's article is factually inaccurate today - Club Tyrone has not raised a huge amount of money in the US (yet).
As for not being an attack on Tyrone specifically (where he attacked Garvaghey, Omagh, the Academy initiative), that's some rant about the VOLUNTEERS who are involved in the Academy and I don't see any other county being mentioned in the article. An attack it was.

He's an narcissistic @r$€hole Rois who delights in annoying people and bringing attention to himself in doing so.  With this in mind would you EVER expect anything he writes or says to be factually accurate?

You couldnt make replies like these up, comedy gold  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
Tyrone county board might deserve abuse for many things (though not too many if you look at how successful they are at youth levels, and how competitive their club championships are) but surely to God, building a superb training facility beside a main road in the heart of the county, is not one of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 02, 2017, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Joe's article is factually inaccurate today - Club Tyrone has not raised a huge amount of money in the US (yet).
As for not being an attack on Tyrone specifically (where he attacked Garvaghey, Omagh, the Academy initiative), that's some rant about the VOLUNTEERS who are involved in the Academy and I don't see any other county being mentioned in the article. An attack it was.

Rois while I agree, Joe has used this as another reason to have a swipe at Tyrone and as usual there are inaccuracies inn his article that he never seems to get called out on, he does make a couple of other valid points.

The club game in Tyrone is largely treated as an after thought.
We have spent a  huge amount of money in garvaghy ( partly funded by the clubs) but it has failed to address one of the big issues for club football, lack of suitable venues at this time of year.
Surely that should have been a  priority in any county development?

I know that both Pomeroy and dungannon have plans to upgrade their facilities, but for too long we have had to make do with two venues that can really host the big championship games this time of year (omagh & carrickmore) and only one of these has lights)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
garvaghy may be  built along a main road but it is 700ft above sea level on a mountain. serious windy place. bit of a vanity project with no stands to even accomodate a decent crowd for a game. county board still owe 1.2 million stg for the loan on it. any wonder they cant spend money on county teams or others grounds. club scene is in rude health in tyrone and we regularly have more people attending club championship games than county home league games. without the club scene they would have nothing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 02, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Any link guys?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on October 02, 2017, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
Joe is usually right and tells the truth which really does people's heads in because they can't handle the truth... like that Jack Nicholson movie.
Tyrone is an ideology. Tyrone drunk or sober.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
garvaghy may be  built along a main road but it is 700ft above sea level on a mountain. serious windy place. bit of a vanity project with no stands to even accomodate a decent crowd for a game. county board still owe 1.2 million stg for the loan on it. any wonder they cant spend money on county teams or others grounds. club scene is in rude health in tyrone and we regularly have more people attending club championship games than county home league games. without the club scene they would have nothing.

I honestly don't see how it can be described as a vanity project. Every county in Ireland either has a centre of excellence, or is desperately wanting for one.

I'm going to take a guess that the potential for a spectator stand was discussed at length during its planning, but the vast cost of the project meant priorities had to be put in place, and I'd also guess that the mission statement for the project was vested in developing players, not providing a venue for club matches.... hence the stand being relegated.

By the way I'm not trumpeting the County Board for the sake of it. But holding Garvaghey up as a failure because it's not doing something it was never meant to do, is all wrong.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 01:56:14 PM
Would a 'stand' be seen as an inherent part of a centre of excellence? The primary reason for these centres is for participation, not observation. I don't think they've been built to provide extra grounds for games. I don't think there's anything in Hawkfield in Kildare, there's nothing in Currrans, or Farranfore in Kerry. Offaly's latest Faithful Fields in Kilcormac doesn't have anything like that, and Dr. Morris Park in Thurles has nothing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 02, 2017, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 02, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Any link guys?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-turning-club-game-into-an-afterthought-36184759.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-turning-club-game-into-an-afterthought-36184759.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 02:12:31 PM
im not saying garvaghey is a failure but 7.6 million is alot of money which could have been spent gettin a few other grounds up to scratch for big games. omagh is the only floodlit ground in tyrone that can hold county/club championship games and it is constantly liable to flooding. weve even had to start moving games to armagh because we have nowhere suitable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 02, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
3k capacity stand in Owenbeg!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 02, 2017, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
garvaghy may be  built along a main road but it is 700ft above sea level on a mountain. serious windy place. bit of a vanity project with no stands to even accomodate a decent crowd for a game. county board still owe 1.2 million stg for the loan on it. any wonder they cant spend money on county teams or others grounds. club scene is in rude health in tyrone and we regularly have more people attending club championship games than county home league games. without the club scene they would have nothing.

I honestly don't see how it can be described as a vanity project. Every county in Ireland either has a centre of excellence, or is desperately wanting for one.

I'm going to take a guess that the potential for a spectator stand was discussed at length during its planning, but the vast cost of the project meant priorities had to be put in place, and I'd also guess that the mission statement for the project was vested in developing players, not providing a venue for club matches.... hence the stand being relegated.

By the way I'm not trumpeting the County Board for the sake of it. But holding Garvaghey up as a failure because it's not doing something it was never meant to do, is all wrong.

You miss a basic point, it is almost 700ft above sea level.  Local schools were asked by the county board and Club Tyrone to play their games at it but other schools refuse to accept it as a venue because of the almost perpetual wind at the site.  They prefer to play anywhere else regardless of underfoot conditions.  If you visit Garvaghey note that it is at the same level as the many adjacent wind farms, wonder why they are located at this altitude.  So location was the first issue, why was land chosen at this level to build a multi million pound centre? However, Fermanagh also have a site for their county players so wind blasted that the grass grows at an angle. 

The drainage issue in Omagh should be no surprise to anyone.  The area has the third/fourth highest rainfall for any town in Ireland.  The ground is unplayable for considerable periods of the year and it is the ground with the lights, the fancy media box and large stand.  It's drainage system is inadequate and it sits on the top of a hill.  Compare it to the Athletic Grounds, Celtic Park and Páirc Esler for playing surfaces and their availability. 

Brolly is correct in so many aspects of this week's article that to nitpick about not getting money from US  or seeing it purely as an attack on Tyrone would seems to be grasping at straws. Surprised he didn't raise the issue of forcing families to choose between an AI final for their female athletes and county championship games for their male athletes.

His argument against academies/development squads can be laid at the door of any county.  It is an example of elitism driven by the county game to feed its needs and not for the benefit of clubs.  There is no example to show that academies/development squads actually result in success at county level.

Is Brolly wrong about the Academy demands on school children?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?



1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 02, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

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1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

So who pays for the upkeep of Garvaghey if there is no spectator facilities. Are counties not obliged to have a 2nd county ground? Surely then Tyrone GAA will have to invest in any upgrade to Dungannon, which could have been limited by incorporating a 5-10k capacity whilst building Garvaghey.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 02, 2017, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?



1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

Owenbeg seems to function well as both

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

the garvaghy centre was sold as somewhere that would benefit all Gaels within the county, it seems to have moved away from that a bit

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Agreed, and it is serving that purpose well

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

the issue with location is that for a good part of the year the pitches are unplayable (or at least practically unusable) due to either strong winds or snow.
a better, more sheltered location should have been selected.
However, we are were we are with that now.





You can certainly argue that the purpose of garvaghy was not to host club games, but my argument would be that it should have been, as that is one of the major needs within the county. Its certainly a more critical need than an expensive building shaped like a T
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owenmoresider on October 02, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 01:56:14 PM
Would a 'stand' be seen as an inherent part of a centre of excellence? The primary reason for these centres is for participation, not observation. I don't think they've been built to provide extra grounds for games. I don't think there's anything in Hawkfield in Kildare, there's nothing in Currrans, or Farranfore in Kerry. Offaly's latest Faithful Fields in Kilcormac doesn't have anything like that, and Dr. Morris Park in Thurles has nothing.
Seems to be a lot of club games being played there so there must be a stand of some sort.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
There is one viewing stand, you're right.

http://kildangan.kildare.gaa.ie/news/hawkfielddevelopmentnearingcompletion (http://kildangan.kildare.gaa.ie/news/hawkfielddevelopmentnearingcompletion)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 02, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on October 02, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 01:56:14 PM
Would a 'stand' be seen as an inherent part of a centre of excellence? The primary reason for these centres is for participation, not observation. I don't think they've been built to provide extra grounds for games. I don't think there's anything in Hawkfield in Kildare, there's nothing in Currrans, or Farranfore in Kerry. Offaly's latest Faithful Fields in Kilcormac doesn't have anything like that, and Dr. Morris Park in Thurles has nothing.
Seems to be a lot of club games being played there so there must be a stand of some sort.

A small stand, maybe 100/150 seater. Kildare have all SFC games either in Hawkfield or Newbridge to control gate money.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 02, 2017, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: tiempo on October 02, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2017, 08:33:54 AM
If anyone read Colm O'Rourke's column on sunday he said the he one of alot of other people not happy with Gooch's testimonial dinner but Brolly was the only person who was willing to come out and say it to the Gooch. I think he's right as well.

What part of Joe's column was inaccurate on Sunday? Tyrone did have arrange for a SFC game to be played in Armagh and for all the money spent on the centre of excellence I don't remember seeing a stand for spectators

Priority was building the clubhouse in the shape of a giant T.

Yeah that was daft. Who's going to see that? Unless the Ardboe lads arrive at training by helicopter

Can't understand why there wasn't a stand built capable to hosting games. Perfect location for a lot of neutrals, and good roads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 02, 2017, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 02, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on October 02, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 01:56:14 PM
Would a 'stand' be seen as an inherent part of a centre of excellence? The primary reason for these centres is for participation, not observation. I don't think they've been built to provide extra grounds for games. I don't think there's anything in Hawkfield in Kildare, there's nothing in Currrans, or Farranfore in Kerry. Offaly's latest Faithful Fields in Kilcormac doesn't have anything like that, and Dr. Morris Park in Thurles has nothing.
Seems to be a lot of club games being played there so there must be a stand of some sort.

A small stand, maybe 100/150 seater. Kildare have all SFC games either in Hawkfield or Newbridge to control gate money.

The "stand" in Hawkfield has 200 seats and 6 wheelchair spaces.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 02, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
Derry redeveloped our Centre of Excellence a few years ago to incorporate a second County ground.

It's grand but just means the CB play the majority of Club Cship games there when other smaller venues would probably be better for them. Definitely better than Tyrone's situation!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 07:21:05 PM
So there's a big t shape. Do you know what though, it's just a roof that covers 10 changing rooms, gyms, theatres, offices and kitchens I.e. where the real money was spent.

Would you really prefer that Tyrone has spent 6m and left it looking like a cowshed?

It's the biggest investment every made in GAA in the county; if needed to make a statement.


GAA people, once again, proving that when it comes to belittling and begrudgery, are the clearest of champions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 02, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

—�

1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

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2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.


No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

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3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

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4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures


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5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
i think the fact that the garvaghey site is about a mile up the road from mickey hartes house may have something to do with it. i wonder who owned the land it was built on?.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
New drains in Omagh is a separate issue from a stand in Garvaghey.
Hosting spectators must not have been part of the remit of the Garvaghey development though in hindsight the CB would love to hav somewhere they have complete control of the money generation on championship day.
Garvaghey belongs to the County board, Healy park doesn't. Why should the County board pay to drain Omaghs pitch pitch ahead of building changing rooms in Pomeroy or a stand in Exendork or a new surface in Carrickmore? Why would any of these clubs be more deserving of a handout than Aghayaran or Derrytresk or Eskra or Dregish?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
i think the fact that the garvaghey site is about a mile up the road from mickey hartes house may have something to do with it. i wonder who owned the land it was built on?.......

Nice bit of grubby inuendo there but deeds are public record.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 02, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 02, 2017, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 02, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

—�

1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

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2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.


No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

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3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

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4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures


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5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 02, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

—�

1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

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2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.


No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

Quote
3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

Quote

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures


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5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.

Shite ground in the mountains probably a good bit cheaper than a lump off the  ballygawley roundabout. There's not that f**king much to question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 02, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?
IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tyroneforsam on October 02, 2017, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 02, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?
IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.
No host club receives anymore than £750 even if 10% of the gate is higher than the £750. The half time draw would usually generate in the region of £1000-1200 for a quarter/semi final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 03, 2017, 09:26:14 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on October 02, 2017, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 02, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?
IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.
No host club receives anymore than £750 even if 10% of the gate is higher than the £750. The half time draw would usually generate in the region of £1000-1200 for a quarter/semi final.
Cheers
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on October 04, 2017, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 02, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
New drains in Omagh is a separate issue from a stand in Garvaghey.
Hosting spectators must not have been part of the remit of the Garvaghey development though in hindsight the CB would love to hav somewhere they have complete control of the money generation on championship day.
Garvaghey belongs to the County board, Healy park doesn't. Why should the County board pay to drain Omaghs pitch pitch ahead of building changing rooms in Pomeroy or a stand in Exendork or a new surface in Carrickmore? Why would any of these clubs be more deserving of a handout than Aghayaran or Derrytresk or Eskra or Dregish?

In fairness, I'd have thought a new surface would be the last thing Carrickmore needed, given that it already has a fairly new surface (5 years old) and is up there with the very best surfaces in the county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 12:05:40 PM
A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 15, 2017, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 12:05:40 PM
A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

what was Joe on about? I wudnt but that paper...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 15, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 12:05:40 PM
A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

Jaysus ye can't just leave it at that??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 15, 2017, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 15, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 12:05:40 PM
A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

Jaysus ye can't just leave it at that??

what did he write was so terrible? Come on what was the topic even?... ffs! going to have to look for it off the shelf... not buying it...NO WAY.. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2017, 02:02:45 PM
Buy the Gaelic Life...its usually the same article...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 15, 2017, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2017, 02:02:45 PM
Buy the Gaelic Life...its usually the same article...

I seen that one, a skit on Gooch's book. Was razor sharp but considering Cooper totally misrepresented Brolly on the Late Late Show seemed quid pro quo... fair enough...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 15, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-cute-hoorism-is-harmless-and-yerra-the-audience-love-it-36227894.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 15, 2017, 07:14:23 PM
Will Healy-Rae see it as funny as Gooch won't?

Is he a man for the solicitor's letter?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
Load of crap. Didn't even finish reading it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 15, 2017, 07:14:23 PM
Will Healy-Rae see it as funny as Gooch won't?

Is he a man for the solicitor's letter?

Ah, it's written by a man who works in the Business (law). There'll be nothing liable there!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS

Gooch did not go on about it. He was asked about it and fobbed it off with a lie!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 15, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
I thought it was funny. Sums up the Kerry man very well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 15, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS

Gooch did not go on about it. He was asked about it and fobbed it off with a lie!

so he shouldn't have told a lie. speaks volumes for him...
A lie?
Was it not blatantly obvious that Cooper was exacting revenge when sarcastically taking the píss out of Brolly and that absurd apology claim?
Cooper was winding up Joe  and Joe fell for it hook, line and sinker. Much mirth down Kerry way I guess.

"On a serious note, Joe actually sent me a text this week to say 'Sorry about all the fuss. I wish there wasn't a reaction that there was. It's gone overboard. And I apologise'.
"So he's obviously changed his tune and now fully respects that I am entitled to have a testimonial night if I want."

;D




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 16, 2017, 01:00:00 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 15, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS

Gooch did not go on about it. He was asked about it and fobbed it off with a lie!

so he shouldn't have told a lie. speaks volumes for him...
A lie?
Was it not blatantly obvious that Cooper was exacting revenge when sarcastically taking the píss out of Brolly and that absurd apology claim?
Cooper was winding up Joe  and Joe fell for it hook, line and sinker. Much mirth down Kerry way I guess.

"On a serious note, Joe actually sent me a text this week to say 'Sorry about all the fuss. I wish there wasn't a reaction that there was. It's gone overboard. And I apologise'.
"So he's obviously changed his tune and now fully respects that I am entitled to have a testimonial night if I want."

;D

Joe has Cooper called out on and off the pitch : )  Got him perfectly in the article : )
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on October 16, 2017, 06:59:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 16, 2017, 01:00:00 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 15, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS

Gooch did not go on about it. He was asked about it and fobbed it off with a lie!

so he shouldn't have told a lie. speaks volumes for him...
A lie?
Was it not blatantly obvious that Cooper was exacting revenge when sarcastically taking the píss out of Brolly and that absurd apology claim?
Cooper was winding up Joe  and Joe fell for it hook, line and sinker. Much mirth down Kerry way I guess.

"On a serious note, Joe actually sent me a text this week to say 'Sorry about all the fuss. I wish there wasn't a reaction that there was. It's gone overboard. And I apologise'.
"So he's obviously changed his tune and now fully respects that I am entitled to have a testimonial night if I want."

;D

Joe has Cooper called out on and off the pitch : )  Got him perfectly in the article : )

I like Joe but that article wasn't remotely funny and was just pathetic. And i'm coming from the point of view that I don't think the testimonial dinner should happen for any player. I would say it's the worst article by far that I've ever seen Joe write.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on October 16, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on October 16, 2017, 06:59:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 16, 2017, 01:00:00 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 15, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 15, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 15, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 15, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like payback time for Gooch's wee Late Late Show fib  :o

That's assuming Gooch gives a f@@@ what Brolly thinks,says or writes!

obviously he does or wouldnt have went on about it on the LLS

Gooch did not go on about it. He was asked about it and fobbed it off with a lie!

so he shouldn't have told a lie. speaks volumes for him...
A lie?
Was it not blatantly obvious that Cooper was exacting revenge when sarcastically taking the píss out of Brolly and that absurd apology claim?
Cooper was winding up Joe  and Joe fell for it hook, line and sinker. Much mirth down Kerry way I guess.

"On a serious note, Joe actually sent me a text this week to say 'Sorry about all the fuss. I wish there wasn't a reaction that there was. It's gone overboard. And I apologise'.
"So he's obviously changed his tune and now fully respects that I am entitled to have a testimonial night if I want."

;D

Joe has Cooper called out on and off the pitch : )  Got him perfectly in the article : )

I like Joe but that article wasn't remotely funny and was just pathetic. And i'm coming from the point of view that I don't think the testimonial dinner should happen for any player. I would say it's the worst article by far that I've ever seen Joe write.

Many of Joe's views are right on the money( no pun intended) regarding the way the Gaa is going, but he's been unnecessarily spiteful towards Gooch. Joe's humour is hit or miss, and though I totally agree with his sentiments re 1 excounty player benefitting financially from a testimonial, I think the article was definitely a miss in terms of comedic value.
I often think it must be difficult for weekly columnists to be genuinely funny every week, so they sometimes lower the standards with personal insults .
There's a genuine battle to be fought regarding the direction of travel of the GAA, Joe needs to be careful not to demean that battle, by being personally insulting .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 16, 2017, 10:56:49 AM
Brollyi a complete hypocrite has any one apart from Spillane made more money from the GAA. especially  per medal
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on October 16, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
from the point of view of generating further debate Brollys article serves a purpose.

didnt find it funny as healy rae is lampooned and has nothing to do with the debate.

Cooper told a lie from what i can gather about brolly apologising and I suppose with that comes the risk of considerable derision and character assasination
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on October 16, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
from the point of view of generating further debate Brollys article serves a purpose.

didnt find it funny as healy rae is lampooned and has nothing to do with the debate.

Cooper told a lie from what i can gather about brolly apologising and I suppose with that comes the risk of considerable derision and character assasination
Another sucker for the lie story  ;D
Cooper knocked Joe senseless with that spoof on the LLS, and by the looks of it there are plenty here who didn't get it either.
Joe doesn't have the cop to know when he has been ribbed mercilessly.
I didn't know Cooper had it in him, he is the baby faced assassin.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on October 16, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
from the point of view of generating further debate Brollys article serves a purpose.

didnt find it funny as healy rae is lampooned and has nothing to do with the debate.

Cooper told a lie from what i can gather about brolly apologising and I suppose with that comes the risk of considerable derision and character assasination
Another sucker for the lie story  ;D
Cooper knocked Joe senseless with that spoof on the LLS, and by the looks of it there are plenty here who didn't get it either.
Joe doesn't have the cop to know when he has been ribbed mercilessly.
I didn't know Cooper had it in him, he is the baby faced assassin.
How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?

You didn't think he had it in him yet you're certain he now has?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on October 16, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
from the point of view of generating further debate Brollys article serves a purpose.

didnt find it funny as healy rae is lampooned and has nothing to do with the debate.

Cooper told a lie from what i can gather about brolly apologising and I suppose with that comes the risk of considerable derision and character assasination
Another sucker for the lie story  ;D
Cooper knocked Joe senseless with that spoof on the LLS, and by the looks of it there are plenty here who didn't get it either.
Joe doesn't have the cop to know when he has been ribbed mercilessly.
I didn't know Cooper had it in him, he is the baby faced assassin.
How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?
The question is, how is it that you don't get it?

QuoteYou didn't think he had it in him yet you're certain he now has?
Hmm such an important question. I'll have to ponder about certainties based upon appreciation of a quality spoof.
This will take time.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on October 16, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
from the point of view of generating further debate Brollys article serves a purpose.

didnt find it funny as healy rae is lampooned and has nothing to do with the debate.

Cooper told a lie from what i can gather about brolly apologising and I suppose with that comes the risk of considerable derision and character assasination
Another sucker for the lie story  ;D
Cooper knocked Joe senseless with that spoof on the LLS, and by the looks of it there are plenty here who didn't get it either.
Joe doesn't have the cop to know when he has been ribbed mercilessly.
I didn't know Cooper had it in him, he is the baby faced assassin.
How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?
The question is, how is it that you don't get it?

QuoteYou didn't think he had it in him yet you're certain he now has?
Hmm such an important question. I'll have to ponder about certainties based upon appreciation of a quality spoof.
This will take time.
No, the question was clearly "How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?" I've just checked and that's what I typed.

We're talking about a GAA lad making cash. Nothing about this is important. But take your time. Maybe don't post for a while so it gets your complete attention. We don't want your accuracy record to be tarnished.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 16, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
On another note I see he coached st brigids to a belfast u16 title at the weekend there. At least for all his bluster he is actually putting something back in.

Ridiculous article though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 16, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 16, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
On another note I see he coached st brigids to a belfast u16 title at the weekend there. At least for all his bluster he is actually putting something back in.

Ridiculous article though.

has been coaching underage teams there for years... keep up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 12:05:09 PM

No, the question was clearly "How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?" I've just checked and that's what I type

We're talking about a GAA lad making cash. Nothing about this is important. But take your time. Maybe don't post for a while so it gets your complete attention. We don't want your accuracy record to be tarnished.
I don't know how people know, it's their knowing.

Possibly read the text of what Cooper said and you might figure it out for yourself, it might assist the process if you removed the poker from your backside.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 12:05:09 PM

No, the question was clearly "How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?" I've just checked and that's what I type

We're talking about a GAA lad making cash. Nothing about this is important. But take your time. Maybe don't post for a while so it gets your complete attention. We don't want your accuracy record to be tarnished.
I don't know how people know, it's their knowing.

Possibly read the text of what Cooper said and you might figure it out for yourself, it might assist the process if you removed the poker from your backside.
Hold on. You said "another sucker for the Cooper story" and "there are plenty that didn't get it on here" yet you say that I have a poker up my arse?

You can see where I'm coming from?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on October 16, 2017, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 15, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
I thought it was funny. Sums up the Kerry man very well.

Me too.

It does come across a tad bitchy alright, but I'd be lying if I denied that that level of mockery can be very, very funny at times. If the army of former Kerry players that have media gigs, didn't all sing from the same hymn sheet, in such an obvious way, perhaps it wouldn't be as easy to take piss out of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 12:05:09 PM

No, the question was clearly "How is that people know what Cooper's intentions were with his comments on The LLS?" I've just checked and that's what I type

We're talking about a GAA lad making cash. Nothing about this is important. But take your time. Maybe don't post for a while so it gets your complete attention. We don't want your accuracy record to be tarnished.
I don't know how people know, it's their knowing.

Possibly read the text of what Cooper said and you might figure it out for yourself, it might assist the process if you removed the poker from your backside.
Hold on. You said "another sucker for the Cooper story" and "there are plenty that didn't get it on here" yet you say that I have a poker up my arse?

You can see where I'm coming from?
Hold on!!!
Jeésus Joe, you had me fooled for a while there, masquerading as a pedantic moron.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on October 16, 2017, 10:16:50 PM
Ah, the inevitable and predictable insult and avoidance of the points made. I'll put in a smiley to show that I know I'm right and you're wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!

The reason he can "work" for that money is because he played Gaelic Football. No other reason.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 16, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!

The reason he can "work" for that money is because he played Gaelic Football. No other reason.

is the reason like him or loathe him, he is articulate, entertaining and able to put his point across and presents well. Not everyone can do that as Im sure you must have noticed...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 17, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 16, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!

The reason he can "work" for that money is because he played Gaelic Football. No other reason.

is the reason like him or loathe him, he is articulate, entertaining and able to put his point across and presents well. Not everyone can do that as Im sure you must have noticed...

You love JM too much if you believe that. Articulate sweet Jesus!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 17, 2017, 01:04:46 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 17, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 16, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!

The reason he can "work" for that money is because he played Gaelic Football. No other reason.

is the reason like him or loathe him, he is articulate, entertaining and able to put his point across and presents well. Not everyone can do that as Im sure you must have noticed...

You love JM too much if you believe that. Articulate sweet Jesus!

Considering he's a barrister I'd say so...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 17, 2017, 01:26:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 01:04:46 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 17, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 16, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 16, 2017, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
I pretty much always enjoy Brolly's column, even when I don't agree with him.

But this wasn't a good one. It's basically telling the same average joke in each of 20 consecutive paragraphs. I understand that humour is often based on repetition, but this was dull.

- -

Plus, I'm still trying to work out why it's okay for one former player to make a large six figure sum indirectly from the Association i.e. himself, but not for another.


The reason is that he ''works'' to earn his money. Gooches money is a handout!

The reason he can "work" for that money is because he played Gaelic Football. No other reason.

is the reason like him or loathe him, he is articulate, entertaining and able to put his point across and presents well. Not everyone can do that as Im sure you must have noticed...

You love JM too much if you believe that. Articulate sweet Jesus!

Considering he's a barrister I'd say so...
Considering he's a barrister one would expect him to be an articulate GAA pundit but he is not. Brolly i'd say doesn't believe half of the stuff he says and puts little or no research into his what he writes or talks about. He is to GAA what Eamon Dunphy is to soccer or George Hook was to Rugby basically its RTE gimmick to have a pundit like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on October 17, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Brolly is on the mark roughly half the time, and the other half, he's full of shit.

That article on Cooper was a beautiful skewering of somebody who is making a greedy and cynical cash grab.

Cooper should just use the slogan: "Give me loads of tax free money for doing nothing because I'm the Gooch and I'm great!"

Bit like that priest with the parachutes in Father Ted.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

I can't help sense there's a touch of Socrates winning a Sigerson about this deed, every time I read it. Its origins would be interesting.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

I can't help sense there's a touch of Socrates winning a Sigerson about this deed, every time I read it. Its origins would be interesting.

You could be right, I don't know how accurate the statement is. Potentially a line that was fired out years ago and has gathered legs. If he doesn't then he's even more culpable than Gooch imo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 17, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

Yeah, you're probably right but he is happy to part-take in industries which use an amateur organisation to earn hefty sums of money. Does he have a problem with Gooch sitting beside him in the RTE studio taking money for his analysis? Has he included a comment about that in his withering article? What about Pat and Colm? Are the RTE GAA analysts modern day Robin Hoods, taking from the rich TV companies and passing it back down the chain to the poor GAA grass roots? I'd be fairly sure that they aren't. For me his argument is flawed and is another (in a long, long, long) line of examples of Joe aiming for the biggest fish to maximise his own exposure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 17, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

Yeah, you're probably right but he is happy to part-take in industries which use an amateur organisation to earn hefty sums of money. Does he have a problem with Gooch sitting beside him in the RTE studio taking money for his analysis? Has he included a comment about that in his withering article? What about Pat and Colm? Are the RTE GAA analysts modern day Robin Hoods, taking from the rich TV companies and passing it back down the chain to the poor GAA grass roots? I'd be fairly sure that they aren't. For me his argument is flawed and is another (in a long, long, long) line of examples of Joe aiming for the biggest fish to maximise his own exposure.

He said in the first article I think that he has no problem with the Gooch getting paid for his punditry work articles etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

Screen it's widely known that he doesn't charge for club appearances or for helping clubs out with legal issues. The truth is that on the whole Brolly is a good egg and a genuine Gael.

But I would have a fairly strong  inkling that this generosity doesn't extend to include his RTE salary. And really, nor should it. He does actually work for the money. Hence the Socrates and Sigerson statement. A few crossed wires, a dollop of romanticism, and no clear denial, makes it an "internet truth".

By the way I've no interest either in Brolly denying it. That's his business.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on October 17, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
There is quite a difference between earning a wage like Brolly and getting a wad of cash sent your direction by way of a one off testimonial.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Quirke's article is very good although it doesn't change my mind that the testimonial is a bad idea it's a really good dig at Brolly!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/mike-quirke/joe-brolly-playing-the-shame-game-against-colm-cooper-461034.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 17, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
There is quite a difference between earning a wage like Brolly and getting a wad of cash sent your direction by way of a one off testimonial.

Is it that it's all coming to Gooch in one payment annoys you? He'll have to work hard planning and executing his testimonial. Okay, not for a long period time. But there is work involved.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 17, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 17, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
There is quite a difference between earning a wage like Brolly and getting a wad of cash sent your direction by way of a one off testimonial.

Is it that it's all coming to Gooch in one payment annoys you? He'll have to work hard planning and executing his testimonial. Okay, not for a long period time. But there is work involved.

Surely an events company will cover this aspect....for a cost of course!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on October 17, 2017, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

Screen it's widely known that he doesn't charge for club appearances or for helping clubs out with legal issues. The truth is that on the whole Brolly is a good egg and a genuine Gael.

But I would have a fairly strong  inkling that this generosity doesn't extend to include his RTE salary. And really, nor should it. He does actually work for the money. Hence the Socrates and Sigerson statement. A few crossed wires, a dollop of romanticism, and no clear denial, makes it an "internet truth".

By the way I've no interest either in Brolly denying it. That's his business.
I think that's a fair comment. There's areas where you will agree with Brolly and he is the best placed to forefront those views on behalf of the vast majority of grassroots members. Let's face it he is a thorn in the side of those who couldn't give two tosses about the club and community model. and I think he deserves great respect for that. In fairness a plot of people are concerned about testimonials for players who would have done well out of the game. The Gaa model relies so much on fundraising and good will from businesses and individuals. Surely Clubs counties and lother community organisations all chase down the same pot. If individuals start going down that line something else more worthwhile will Miss out in the real world that we live in.
And Then brolly balances these views with an anti Tyrone agenda amongst other things. He has that bit of a bollix in him, but then if you ask any self respecting Tyrone man if he could put the boot relentlessly into Derry - he would do the same. Maybe not just as venomous... ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on October 17, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 17, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 17, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
There is quite a difference between earning a wage like Brolly and getting a wad of cash sent your direction by way of a one off testimonial.

Is it that it's all coming to Gooch in one payment annoys you? He'll have to work hard planning and executing his testimonial. Okay, not for a long period time. But there is work involved.

Surely an events company will cover this aspect....for a cost of course!

Wobbler surely you jest, the PR/ event organizers are salivating at the thought of a few of these a year. Do you really think that Colin Cooper woke up one morning and went
" ya know what, I am going to be the first Gaelic Footballer that will have a testimonial" if you believe that I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.

While I was a big admirer of Colin Cooper during his playing days, I am 100% against this.
As I mentioned on a prior post, he has every right to monetize his incredible ability as a gaelic footballer and good luck to him,  but IMO he could have done so in somewhat of a more dignified manner, i.e. be a TV pundit or a journalist for the next twenty years, really not that difficult of "a job" in addition to his day job, he would have done very well for himself, with his reputation intact.

As for Brolly, I don't always agree, I feel he is correct on this. As for his comment on Kerry players book's, spot on, half stories that are about as entertaining as watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on October 17, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Quirke's article is very good although it doesn't change my mind that the testimonial is a bad idea it's a really good dig at Brolly!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/mike-quirke/joe-brolly-playing-the-shame-game-against-colm-cooper-461034.html

Good article. The only way you could find brollys most recent article funny is if you have a real jealousy of the success kerry have had over the years. As regards the testimonial dinner it's a terrible idea on cooper's behalf but brolly is now just using it to get digs and in at cooper and kerry in general.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 17, 2017, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 17, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Quirke's article is very good although it doesn't change my mind that the testimonial is a bad idea it's a really good dig at Brolly!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/mike-quirke/joe-brolly-playing-the-shame-game-against-colm-cooper-461034.html

Good article. The only way you could find brollys most recent article funny is if you have a real jealousy of the success kerry have had over the years. As regards the testimonial dinner it's a terrible idea on cooper's behalf but brolly is now just using it to get digs and in at cooper and kerry in general.
Dead right Lenny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on October 17, 2017, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 17, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Quirke's article is very good although it doesn't change my mind that the testimonial is a bad idea it's a really good dig at Brolly!!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/mike-quirke/joe-brolly-playing-the-shame-game-against-colm-cooper-461034.html

Good article. The only way you could find brollys most recent article funny is if you have a real jealousy of the success kerry have had over the years. As regards the testimonial dinner it's a terrible idea on cooper's behalf but brolly is now just using it to get digs and in at cooper and kerry in general.

Quirke gives the 'Sparrow' a fair jag there, and you couldn't help thinking whilst reading it that Brolly is presently preparing a revenge dig at Quirke, and round and round we go. There's a good few columnists I read every week, Brolly is one of them, the vast majority I really enjoy, but that latest one was absolute cringe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 17, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

Aye there is a truth to that, though he calls out a lot of stuff needs called out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trentoneill15 on October 17, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
I'm not a big fan of Brolly either, I think he was an over rated player too, I only witnessed the last year or two of his career though I did watch a lot of his previous games on VHS tape.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on October 17, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
Lot of guys on here comparing the actions of a man throwing the benefit gig for himself primordially  against the actions of a man who does countless benefit gigs for the craic. Brolly might be hard to handle but you can't diminish the selfless work he does for gaa clubs up and down the country. I'm not saying the other man doesn't do this as well but this is a testimonial cash in, a payday moment and it is totally different thing.
Why doesn't daragh o se do it
Why doesn't Paul galvin in do it
Why doesn't sean cvanagh do it
Why doesn't Conor mc manus do it
Why doesn't Ciaran mc keever or Two or three Kernans do it.
If 300 odd inter county players did it would cost some dough.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 17, 2017, 05:41:28 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

Aye there is a truth to that, though he calls out a lot of stuff needs called out.

but is he any good as a barrister
I would not want him defending me the bollix would only antagonize the whole cort and think it was great crack
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 17, 2017, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on October 17, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
I'm not a big fan of Brolly either, I think he was an over rated player too, I only witnessed the last year or two of his career though I did watch a lot of his previous games on VHS tape.
Brolly won two All-Star awards. Some players might be considered lucky to win an All-Star in any given year but you would be hard pressed to find one that was doubly lucky. Disagree if you like with his comments or his manner/personality but his quality as a forward was undeniable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

In his day job he is there to present a case for his client in order to achieve the best possible outcome. Is there an element of theatre involved.? Undoubtedly yes but there is also no doubt about the intellect and sharp wit required to be one of the top performing barristers in the wee 6. Here's hoping you never need his services.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 17, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
I'd say Joe gets some laugh at this thread
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Gs Man on October 18, 2017, 09:03:43 AM
"That's me up to 242 pages now lads.  What's the Gooch's page count up to, the bollox?  If this keeps going I'll have more pages than the 'Traveller Ladies' thread or the 'Get Your Hotels Booked Now' calamity."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 01:51:07 PM
He didn't miss Parkinson on Twitter anyway!!!

QuoteUnsurprising endorsement of gombeenism by one of the first professional Gaelic footballers. Parnell must be turning in his grave #Parnells
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

In his day job he is there to present a case for his client in order to achieve the best possible outcome. Is there an element of theatre involved.? Undoubtedly yes but there is also no doubt about the intellect and sharp wit required to be one of the top performing barristers in the wee 6. Here's hoping you never need his services.

He made his money in the bar from gaa connections nothing to do with wit and intellect as you said. The firms he uses are not hiring because he is some form of genius I think you will find they are all gaa connected or through sinn fein connections.

Brolly has a warped mind. He does the gigs round the country to feed his ego and people buy that crap. If he was truelly doing it for selfless purposes he wouldn't be spouting it in a national paper or twitter.

The man needs help!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on October 18, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

In his day job he is there to present a case for his client in order to achieve the best possible outcome. Is there an element of theatre involved.? Undoubtedly yes but there is also no doubt about the intellect and sharp wit required to be one of the top performing barristers in the wee 6. Here's hoping you never need his services.

He made his money in the bar from gaa connections nothing to do with wit and intellect as you said. The firms he uses are not hiring because he is some form of genius I think you will find they are all gaa connected or through sinn fein connections.

Brolly has a warped mind. He does the gigs round the country to feed his ego and people buy that crap. If he was truelly doing it for selfless purposes he wouldn't be spouting it in a national paper or twitter.

The man needs help!

Emmm, I can tell you categorically that this is a TOTAL lie.  Why would you just make stuff up?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Maybe you're the one who needs help rhd that's quite a rant!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 18, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

In his day job he is there to present a case for his client in order to achieve the best possible outcome. Is there an element of theatre involved.? Undoubtedly yes but there is also no doubt about the intellect and sharp wit required to be one of the top performing barristers in the wee 6. Here's hoping you never need his services.

He made his money in the bar from gaa connections nothing to do with wit and intellect as you said. The firms he uses are not hiring because he is some form of genius I think you will find they are all gaa connected or through sinn fein connections.

Brolly has a warped mind. He does the gigs round the country to feed his ego and people buy that crap. If he was truelly doing it for selfless purposes he wouldn't be spouting it in a national paper or twitter.

The man needs help!

Emmm, I can tell you categorically that this is a TOTAL lie.  Why would you just make stuff up?


Emmmm, I can tell you its not. There is not that much difference between barristers, some bad ones yes but the successful one are mostly there because they have got an "in" with some firm of solicitors either by a family connection, connections from your Master or from a sporting background.

The bar of N Ireland is 100% based on this old school mentality. Once you get into one firm that way others will start using you. Most of them are masters at the BS/Acting nothing to do with some kind of super intellectual.

And some idiot above said hes one of the top in the jurisdiction I think you will find the top barristers have a QC beside there name which he doesn't. He is a junior barrister so wise up!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
I think he stays a BL so he doesnt' have to have the Queen's name after his.

Also by what rule or otherwise are you not allowed to use connections you've made in sport to get ahead in your career?

It's not the same as going cap in hand to businesses that would otherwise be giving money to your Club or County and saying give me €5k there please big lad!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
I think he stays a BL so he doesnt' have to have the Queen's name after his.

Also by what rule or otherwise are you not allowed to use connections you've made in sport to get ahead in your career?

It's not the same as going cap in hand to businesses that would otherwise be giving money to your Club or County and saying give me €5k there please big lad!!

As far as the QC thing goes that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard yet. He has not been called. Most likely because some senior members in the bar do not respect some of his more recent performances in court where he has thought he was on RTE!

I didn't say you weren't allowed to use connections. If you actually read what I said I stated that's how he got his business and became successful not because of some superhuman intellect you all seem to think he has.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.

I'm lost now really I am . . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.

I'm lost now really I am . . .

You sounded lost by your last comment alright, trying to talk s**te about something you had no clue about
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 18, 2017, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.

I'm lost now really I am . . .

You sounded lost by your last comment alright, trying to talk s**te about something you had no clue about

Aye I'd say you are at the top of your profession alright red hand  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 18, 2017, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.

I'm lost now really I am . . .

You sounded lost by your last comment alright, trying to talk s**te about something you had no clue about

Aye I'd say you are at the top of your profession alright red hand  ;D ;D ;D ;D

When did I say I was? Getting there though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2017, 05:18:07 PM
Brolly v Parkinson having a spat on twitter at last,the moral high ground is about to get very crowded.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/920627746606329857
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 18, 2017, 06:24:19 PM
Does parkinson put anything back ino the gaa? (E.g. Coaching etc?)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on October 18, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Has Parkinson ever held down a job outside of the GAA. Parkinson I'd say is good craic but definitely not an analyst to be taken too seriously. He has surfed the wave of a minor AI win about 20 years ago and appears to be still riding it since. A wind up merchant who know's how to play the game of keeping himself relevant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LooseCannon on October 18, 2017, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 18, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Has Parkinson ever held down a job outside of the GAA. Parkinson I'd say is good craic but definitely not an analyst to be taken too seriously. He has surfed the wave of a minor AI win about 20 years ago and appears to be still riding it since. A wind up merchant who know's how to play the game of keeping himself relevant.

I refuse to listen/click on anything associated with the ass-hole(Parkinson). He has a handier number than Joe Duffy, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 18, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
Is he not in an industry where if you had a lack of intellect you'd soon be found out?

I'm didn't say he was stupid. Some very average barristers have got to the top through connections, he is nowhere near the top! Still worth a s**tload right enough.

I'm lost now really I am . . .

You sounded lost by your last comment alright, trying to talk s**te about something you had no clue about

Yes my joke about Brolly not wanting the word Queen after his name is the same as you saying he has no wit or intellect then a few posts later saying he's not stupid and probably worth a shitload.

I'm no great fan of Joe's but the fact he is able to tie you Tyronies up in knots is commendable and provides me with hours of fun. Were you the one he blew a kiss at in 1997??  :-*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
lads take no notice of redhandefender, he is just annoyed that joe had the balls to publicly call out his hero mickey harte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2017, 11:45:25 PM
Lads Take no notice of southtyronegael .......full stop
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 19, 2017, 08:32:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
lads take no notice of redhandefender, he is just annoyed that joe had the balls to publicly call out his hero mickey harte.

Good luck next season under Rory Gallagher!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rashCharacter on October 19, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Have to say i really enjoy listening to Parkinsons off the ball podcast - some very good discussion and he's an excellent interviewer.
I also enjoy listening to and reading Joe Brolly's articles.

Thats not to say i agree with what they are saying or every contribution they make is good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 19, 2017, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: rashCharacter on October 19, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Have to say i really enjoy listening to Parkinsons off the ball podcast - some very good discussion and he's an excellent interviewer.
I also enjoy listening to and reading Joe Brolly's articles.

Thats not to say i agree with what they are saying or every contribution they make is good.

I agree with this. I look forward to the podcast each week
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2017, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: rashCharacter on October 19, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Have to say i really enjoy listening to Parkinsons off the ball podcast - some very good discussion and he's an excellent interviewer.
I also enjoy listening to and reading Joe Brolly's articles.

Thats not to say i agree with what they are saying or every contribution they make is good.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on October 20, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 18, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 18, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 17, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 17, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Last Man on October 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 17, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 17, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 17, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Yep and as pointed out previously, there are undoubtedly  hundreds of GAA loving Irish barristers who could present articulate and entertaining insights into our games. But as he's the one who happened to play the (amateur) sport at the highest level, he's the one who gets paid a hefty sum of money for doing so.

I'm still trying to work out how many degrees of separation from the game are necessary before he agrees and it is okay to profit from the game.

I'm not Brolly's biggest fan and disagree with many of his points of view but I've seen it noted in various places previously that he donates his Sunday Game & newspaper fees to charity.

If it were true Brolly would make sure it was well known!

It is widely known that this is the case and that he never charges for appearances at Club's either I'm prettu sure it was mentioned on the sportsjoe.ie podcast he was on.

He's a barrister sure what difference would 500 quid a few weeks of the year make to him for his RTE gig or for writing his column? I'm pretty sure he's in it for the notoriety more so than the money.

How do you know it's widely known?
I have read where Brolly states that he never charges for appearances at club events etc but never have head him or read where he said that he donates his RTE fee to charity.
Perhaps you could throw up a link?

Aye must've got a fair few quid for the kidney as well and all the work he does lobbying for CF sufferers to name a couple . The huer needs stopped in his tracks!  ::)

I agree with much of what Joe says and Cooper had this coming to him for telling porky pies on the Late Late Show... but of course Joe gets paid for RTE work. Like why wouldn't he? Being a sports pundit is not an amateur sport like say... Gaelic football



To be fair, he doesn't do it for the money. He's a barrister. He wants to have his opinion heard. That's all. He loves publicity.

In his day job he is there to present a case for his client in order to achieve the best possible outcome. Is there an element of theatre involved.? Undoubtedly yes but there is also no doubt about the intellect and sharp wit required to be one of the top performing barristers in the wee 6. Here's hoping you never need his services.

He made his money in the bar from gaa connections nothing to do with wit and intellect as you said. The firms he uses are not hiring because he is some form of genius I think you will find they are all gaa connected or through sinn fein connections.

Brolly has a warped mind. He does the gigs round the country to feed his ego and people buy that crap. If he was truelly doing it for selfless purposes he wouldn't be spouting it in a national paper or twitter.

The man needs help!

Emmm, I can tell you categorically that this is a TOTAL lie.  Why would you just make stuff up?


Emmmm, I can tell you its not. There is not that much difference between barristers, some bad ones yes but the successful one are mostly there because they have got an "in" with some firm of solicitors either by a family connection, connections from your Master or from a sporting background.

The bar of N Ireland is 100% based on this old school mentality. Once you get into one firm that way others will start using you. Most of them are masters at the BS/Acting nothing to do with some kind of super intellectual.

And some idiot above said hes one of the top in the jurisdiction I think you will find the top barristers have a QC beside there name which he doesn't. He is a junior barrister so wise up!

I'm sorry but you're either misinformed or just telling outright lies.  I know you may not like Brolly but that's no way to operate.

AND even it was true - what's the problem?  You've just clearly stated that that's exactly how the ENTIRE profession in the north works.

The bit in bold is horse manure.  There's an absolute world of difference in them.

Brolly has you tied up in knots and he's not even talking to you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 22, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
What are you talking about? Some one said he was one of the top barristers in the north, he is not! Brollys an egotistical attention seeker, end off. Are you in the profession in the north?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 22, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Brolly tells the truth.. ouch!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 22, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
yeah and its a pity a few more journalists around tyrone  wouldnt grow a pair and start tellin the truth. brolly is not a yes man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 22, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 22, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
yeah and its a pity a few more journalists around tyrone  wouldnt grow a pair and start tellin the truth. brolly is not a yes man.

He says yes to every chance he gets to cause controversy
Also says yes to the RTE fee,
Not a yes man my h@@@
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 22, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 22, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 22, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
yeah and its a pity a few more journalists around tyrone  wouldnt grow a pair and start tellin the truth. brolly is not a yes man.

He says yes to every chance he gets to cause controversy
Also says yes to the RTE fee,
Not a yes man my h@@@

what a daft comment... of course he takes his RTE fee... being a TV sports pundit is not an amateur sport  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 22, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
Another Brolly b@@@licker!

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 22, 2017, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 22, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
Another Brolly b@@@licker!

another sheep afraid to face the truth ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 22, 2017, 08:15:42 PM
Whatever your opinion of Joe, I don't think anyone can argue with the gist of what he is saying in this article and consistently in many others. The GAA is setting itself up as an elite sporting organisation when the truth is 99% of the activity is miles beneath this level.

In the clip attached above of his article in today's Sunday Indo is a photo of Joe with a lady who Joe describes as the grandmother of a player. What he modestly didn't point out that the same lady is the mother of Shane Finnegan, the guy who Joe donated his kidney to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on October 22, 2017, 08:27:09 PM
I think what Joe says in that article is something most of us would agree with but there has always been an elite level and like all other levels, standards have been pushed higher and higher in the pursuit of victory. I doubt there is any amateur sport that hasn't become 'more professional' in the last 20 years. If we sorted out our fixtures and we would solve a lot of problems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 22, 2017, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

and what difference if its retrospective? Truth hurting you?...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on October 22, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

Its Antrim
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 22, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 22, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

Its Antrim

Doesn't matter the Joe haters will still attack him...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

According to Antrim GAA website the Under 16 Final is between St Brigid's and Con Magee's Glenravel at Aghagallon on Tue 24 Oct 2017 at 7 30 PM.

http://antrim.gaa.ie/fixtures/fixtures-results/upcoming-fixtures (http://antrim.gaa.ie/fixtures/fixtures-results/upcoming-fixtures)

Confirmed in St Brigid's twitter account:

https://twitter.com/Naomhbridclg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/Naomhbridclg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 22, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
The match Joe was talking about was the South Antrim (Belfast) regional final. The winners now play off in All County final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 22, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
Joe is a great WUM to be fair. But what does he actually want the GAA to do or be like? He looks at GAA with a lot of nostalgia and with a 'the good old days' attitude.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 22, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
Joe is a great WUM to be fair. But what does he actually want the GAA to do or be like? He looks at GAA with a lot of nostalgia and with a 'the good old days' attitude.

It's a sad state of affairs when posters on this mb are accusing Joe of lying about his son playing a football match and the post is allowed to remain. The abuse has reached a new low and that's saying something.

I thought his piece today was excellent. Comparing all the unheralded work done by volunteers in the GAA against Colm Copper's "testimonial" dinner. It's a pity some of the haters on this mb can't take off their anti Joe blinkers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 22, 2017, 10:18:22 PM
The question is valid though... What does this utopian gaa world that joe wants look like?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 22, 2017, 10:18:22 PM
The question is valid though... What does this utopian gaa world that joe wants look like?

I think his point is quite simple in that people get involved in the GAA and do it for free for their club and community not to get a six figure pay out from it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 22, 2017, 11:20:53 PM
I am not a fan of the testimonial but at the same time I see Gooch's point as well. You say the answer is simple and that's everyone just muck in and do it all for free. What about all the managers around the country charging clubs fortunes to manage them each year? That has more of an impact on clubs than the likes of a testimonial dinner would. All the big shots in croke park getting paid big money? The money at the elite end of the sport isn't going away and it is inevitable that there will be some form of semi pro set up. 10, 20 or 30 years I'm not sure but people are kidding themselves if they think it's not.

To be fair to Joe, he definitely does his bit for his club considering how busy he is. Joe's club is also very lucky that it is situated in the most affluent part of Belfast and it has a lot of smart (and wealthy) people helping out. We used to love playing against them as the spread of food after each game was amazing  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on October 23, 2017, 12:37:32 AM
Totally agree with Joe on this one. Great article.

I know managers get paid etc but Gooch's "come to my dinner and give me money" sticks in the craw, it just isnt right

Gooch will get paid handsomely for RTE work, newspaper columns, his book and didnt need this. It is pure greed. Have dinner surely, but the profits going to him doesnt seem right.

What about Tony Scullion and Kevin Brady from Antrim who played over 10 years and trained every bit as hard but enjoyed not a morsol of Goochs heady croker days. They were class players yet theres no testimonial for them, no book and no RTE gig as they were born in the wrong corner of the country.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on October 23, 2017, 04:23:05 AM
Economically if this prevails there will be no justification for a lad staying in a weaker county when he can become wealthy with another. Legally it may become impossible to prevent. Gaa is open in time to descrimination cases taken by talented footballers from lesser counties..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 23, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 22, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
Joe is a great WUM to be fair. But what does he actually want the GAA to do or be like? He looks at GAA with a lot of nostalgia and with a 'the good old days' attitude.

It's a sad state of affairs when posters on this mb are accusing Joe of lying about his son playing a football match and the post is allowed to remain. The abuse has reached a new low and that's saying something.

I thought his piece today was excellent. Comparing all the unheralded work done by volunteers in the GAA against Colm Copper's "testimonial" dinner. It's a pity some of the haters on this mb can't take off their anti Joe blinkers.

I wouldn't be his biggest fan but I agree with this statement. Not sure what to think about Gooch's dinner but Im leaning towards not agreeing with it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 23, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
There is a lot of hate on here for Brolly no matter what he says...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 23, 2017, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 23, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
There is a lot of hate on here for Brolly no matter what he says...
thats because he has lost any creditability long time ago and many times since
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 23, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 23, 2017, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 23, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
There is a lot of hate on here for Brolly no matter what he says...
thats because he has lost any creditability long time ago and many times since

Not in my eyes or those of many others... maybe among the GPA and those selfishly milking the GAA for their own personal gain ££££
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on October 23, 2017, 10:47:54 AM
Nor mine
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 23, 2017, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.
U-16 finals still not played in Tyrone and looking at draw for Spirit of Paul McGirr the Donegal champions not yet known either.
I know it Tyrone the u-16's is an August-October competition to minimise overlap with u-14's and u-18's (March - July).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 23, 2017, 12:06:18 PM
and joe of course has no interest in filthy lucre  what rich barrister does ? esp on so busy with Charity. which has over taken patriotism as the last refuge of the scoundrel?
bry he kust cant understand why these working class boy feel the need to make a few Bob
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on October 23, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:09:46 PM

I thought his piece today was excellent. Comparing all the unheralded work done by volunteers in the GAA against Colm Copper's "testimonial" dinner.

While I generally like Brolly and generally don't like Cooper, I find this type of comparison as pure nonsense.

Cooper's dinner has no impact whatsoever on the "unheralded work done by volunteers".
Cooper is a GAA superstar, and if he wants to sell a dinner, then I couldnt give a rat's ass. Doesn't affect me one iota, and I certainly won't buy a seat. But there's no reason for me to stop someone else buying a seat, if that's what they really want to do.

FFS, the "woe is me" shite about volunteers is vomit inducing. Of course it's "unheralded work", that's why we need to get volunteers to do it!

Cooper is also a volunteer at Dr Crokes, still playing senior and helps out with coaching of one of the underage teams (U16 I think). And turns up for all kinds of events run by the club.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on October 23, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 22, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

Its Antrim

Down Minor hurling still hasn't be finished, we've another week and two days to wait for that final on the first of november.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 23, 2017, 05:04:14 PM
I love how brolly positions himself as some sort of crusader for the people and idiots lap it up. Anyone who can not see this mans ego is at the core of everything he does and there is plenty not for putting on this board are completely deluded
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
It runs deep with the Trone ones  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 23, 2017, 05:12:48 PM
I see tight-arse Brolly couldn't stump up a further required £2 for an Antrim final.

I wonder how many of us would get in having not paid the full amount.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on October 23, 2017, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
It runs deep with the Trone ones  :D

To be fair, the guy's a cockwomble
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 23, 2017, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 23, 2017, 05:04:14 PM
I love how brolly positions himself as some sort of crusader for the people and idiots lap it up. Anyone who can not see this mans ego is at the core of everything he does and there is plenty not for putting on this board are completely deluded

He gave a kidney to save a life and has used that publicity to increase the awareness of donating organs. How can you possibly have a problem with that!!!!!
It must be tough to go through life with such a bitter attitude
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 23, 2017, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 23, 2017, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 23, 2017, 05:04:14 PM
I love how brolly positions himself as some sort of crusader for the people and idiots lap it up. Anyone who can not see this mans ego is at the core of everything he does and there is plenty not for putting on this board are completely deluded

He gave a kidney to save a life and has used that publicity to increase the awareness of donating organs. How can you possibly have a problem with that!!!!!
It must be tough to go through life with such a bitter attitude
again with the kidney .
whats that to do with the GAA unless the gooch was the recipient
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Real Talk on October 23, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 23, 2017, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 23, 2017, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 23, 2017, 05:04:14 PM
I love how brolly positions himself as some sort of crusader for the people and idiots lap it up. Anyone who can not see this mans ego is at the core of everything he does and there is plenty not for putting on this board are completely deluded

He gave a kidney to save a life and has used that publicity to increase the awareness of donating organs. How can you possibly have a problem with that!!!!!
It must be tough to go through life with such a bitter attitude
again with the kidney .
whats that to do with the GAA unless the gooch was the recipient

Ros you are one twisted person
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
What has Brolly blowing kisses got to do with it ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Ye may ask the Trone wans. Theybe won 3 all irelands since then but they still havent got over it  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 23, 2017, 11:50:42 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Ye may ask the Trone wans. Theybe won 3 all irelands since then but they still havent got over it  :D

Haven't got over what?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 24, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2017, 11:50:42 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Ye may ask the Trone wans. Theybe won 3 all irelands since then but they still havent got over it  :D

Haven't got over what?

The bill from the 3 refs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 12:26:06 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 23, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Ye may ask the Trone wans. Theybe won 3 all irelands since then but they still havent got over it  :D

I m asking Screenexile!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .

You think we haven't got over a goal he scored in the 90's lol, think we have cememnted our place in history since that. hows Londonderry going. God know who brolly was blowing a kiss to in the crowd, I'm sure he had an eye on a few!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 23, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 22, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 22, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 22, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html)

is this total shite or retrospective? bizarre it would be Oct before an under 16 final would need to be played in any county.

Its Antrim

Down Minor hurling still hasn't be finished, we've another week and two days to wait for that final on the first of november.

Even the North Mayo u16 final between ourselves and Belmullet has to be played. Thankfully this is not linked to the county championship anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 24, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 23, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:09:46 PM

I thought his piece today was excellent. Comparing all the unheralded work done by volunteers in the GAA against Colm Copper's "testimonial" dinner.

While I generally like Brolly and generally don't like Cooper, I find this type of comparison as pure nonsense.

Cooper's dinner has no impact whatsoever on the "unheralded work done by volunteers".
Cooper is a GAA superstar, and if he wants to sell a dinner, then I couldnt give a rat's ass. Doesn't affect me one iota, and I certainly won't buy a seat. But there's no reason for me to stop someone else buying a seat, if that's what they really want to do.

FFS, the "woe is me" shite about volunteers is vomit inducing. Of course it's "unheralded work", that's why we need to get volunteers to do it!

Cooper is also a volunteer at Dr Crokes, still playing senior and helps out with coaching of one of the underage teams (U16 I think). And turns up for all kinds of events run by the club.

Do you not think Hound that this whip around certainly won't make the volunteers job any easier? A company after spending €5K on a table is much less likely to sponsor a senior team, a person who buys a seat at the table is much less likely to sponsor an underage set of jerseys, etc. And this is just the first of them, wait until they are ten a penny and all these sponsorship's flow away like the tide. Then see how much longer some poor fella has to spend ringing around trying to source sponsors, etc. It's hard enough as it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on October 24, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .

You think we haven't got over a goal he scored in the 90's lol, think we have cememnted our place in history since that. hows Londonderry going. God know who brolly was blowing a kiss to in the crowd, I'm sure he had an eye on a few!

Ah ffs, our association should be proud to have members like you.   ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Man on October 24, 2017, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 24, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 23, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 22, 2017, 10:09:46 PM

I thought his piece today was excellent. Comparing all the unheralded work done by volunteers in the GAA against Colm Copper's "testimonial" dinner.

While I generally like Brolly and generally don't like Cooper, I find this type of comparison as pure nonsense.

Cooper's dinner has no impact whatsoever on the "unheralded work done by volunteers".
Cooper is a GAA superstar, and if he wants to sell a dinner, then I couldnt give a rat's ass. Doesn't affect me one iota, and I certainly won't buy a seat. But there's no reason for me to stop someone else buying a seat, if that's what they really want to do.

FFS, the "woe is me" shite about volunteers is vomit inducing. Of course it's "unheralded work", that's why we need to get volunteers to do it!

Cooper is also a volunteer at Dr Crokes, still playing senior and helps out with coaching of one of the underage teams (U16 I think). And turns up for all kinds of events run by the club.

Do you not think Hound that this whip around certainly won't make the volunteers job any easier? A company after spending €5K on a table is much less likely to sponsor a senior team, a person who buys a seat at the table is much less likely to sponsor an underage set of jerseys, etc. And this is just the first of them, wait until they are ten a penny and all these sponsorship's flow away like the tide. Then see how much longer some poor fella has to spend ringing around trying to source sponsors, etc. It's hard enough as it is.

100% Correct.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .

You think we haven't got over a goal he scored in the 90's lol, think we have cememnted our place in history since that. hows Londonderry going. God know who brolly was blowing a kiss to in the crowd, I'm sure he had an eye on a few!

Ah ffs, our association should be proud to have members like you.   ::)

dry your eyes princess
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on October 24, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .

You think we haven't got over a goal he scored in the 90's lol, think we have cememnted our place in history since that. hows Londonderry going. God know who brolly was blowing a kiss to in the crowd, I'm sure he had an eye on a few!

Ah ffs, our association should be proud to have members like you.   ::)

dry your eyes princess

Haha, brilliant!  From the guy who has moaned like a little bitch for 200 pages about Joe Brolly calling the wee Tyrone boys names!

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on October 24, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
It speaks volumes of society in general and this board that Joe Brolly attracts much more negativity and abuse here than Tom Humphries
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 23, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
All that kidney stuff is bollix.

Why does donating a kidney give you carte blanche to insult and deride people when giving ~15 years of your life for free to entertain and inspire thousands of people doesn't entitle you to have a whip-around when you finish up?

Oh look more Tyrone men who didn't like Brolly blowing kisses at them. . .

You think we haven't got over a goal he scored in the 90's lol, think we have cememnted our place in history since that. hows Londonderry going. God know who brolly was blowing a kiss to in the crowd, I'm sure he had an eye on a few!

Ah ffs, our association should be proud to have members like you.   ::)

dry your eyes princess

Haha, brilliant!  From the guy who has moaned like a little bitch for 200 pages about Joe Brolly calling the wee Tyrone boys names!

;D ;D ;D

He can call them what he wants I simply argued against this view that he is some kind of saint and genius barrister. Although I don't actually know what you're referring to
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 24, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
That's right he's not a genius barrister. . . he's just a pretty smart one!!

On the Tom Humphries one I don't think that's fair he hasn't been about in a while and Brolly is a much more high profile figure especially in the GAA so is going to attract more attention on a board like this. . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on October 24, 2017, 03:27:35 PM
Humprhies is pretty high profile for the last month............

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 24, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
That's right he's not a genius manager. . . he's just a pretty smart one!!

On the Tom Humphries one I don't think that's fair he hasn't been about in a while and Brolly is a much more high profile figure especially in the GAA so is going to attract more attention on a board like this. . .

In comparison to the general standard of dummies in his county, yes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 24, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Red Hand Commando in Londonderry rant  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 25, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
Joe speaks sense on the Humphries' case:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/i-cant-understand-why-donal-g-cusack-apologised-and-resigned-for-tom-humphries-character-reference-joe-brolly-36260611.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/i-cant-understand-why-donal-g-cusack-apologised-and-resigned-for-tom-humphries-character-reference-joe-brolly-36260611.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 25, 2017, 10:32:59 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 25, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
Joe speaks sense on the Humphries' case:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/i-cant-understand-why-donal-g-cusack-apologised-and-resigned-for-tom-humphries-character-reference-joe-brolly-36260611.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/i-cant-understand-why-donal-g-cusack-apologised-and-resigned-for-tom-humphries-character-reference-joe-brolly-36260611.html)
Well said Joe. A voice of reason in this instance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 26, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
That was a good article
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 26, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
Joe's being roasted on Twitter I'd expect this to be news tomorrow
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on October 26, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
In what way? About the Tom Humphries case?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 26, 2017, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 26, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
In what way? About the Tom Humphries case?

Yeah...

He's said he would write a character reference for a family member or close friend in the same situation as Humphries!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 27, 2017, 06:07:38 AM
Worse than that in tone, he said "if you had a close friend who was a paedophile, you would have written him a character reference"

Joe said "if it would help yes"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 27, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
The battle of the ego's right now on Twitter!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 27, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 26, 2017, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 26, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
In what way? About the Tom Humphries case?

Yeah...

He's said he would write a character reference for a family member or close friend in the same situation as Humphries!

your some lick ass
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 09:43:52 PM
If one of my friends abused a child, I'd tell him to f**k off and that he's no friend of mine. That's just me. These people should be expelled from communities. Sorry Joe, yer talking shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
I think he's been trying to make the point that it's near impossible to have a coherent and constructive discussion on the subject as people fly off the handle into moral outrage mode at the mere mention of the word Paedophile. I agree with him 100%, it's such a touchy / taboo subject, that a helluva lot of people cannot discuss rationally.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
I think he's been trying to make the point that it's near impossible to have a coherent and constructive discussion on the subject as people fly off the handle into moral outrage mode at the mere mention of the word Paedophile. I agree with him 100%, it's such a touchy / taboo subject, that a helluva lot of people cannot discuss rationally.
Well said.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
Very much so. We all get how horrendous it is but the way society has got with all the outrage, and the way the media prey on it, is not healthy. That silent justice group indicates that and really do not seem to get the irony of what they do. We have taken years to become a civilised society - the pitchfork brigade does not help anything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
I think he's been trying to make the point that it's near impossible to have a coherent and constructive discussion on the subject as people fly off the handle into moral outrage mode at the mere mention of the word Paedophile. I agree with him 100%, it's such a touchy / taboo subject, that a helluva lot of people cannot discuss rationally.
Well said.

We 're talking about child rapists. What rational discussion is to be had? It seems to me the victims of these rapists are considered last in this equation, the destroyed family, the stolen childhood and a trauma carried for life for the victim and family. Yet we should have a rational discussion about the rapist? Load of auld bollox.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 27, 2017, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
I think he's been trying to make the point that it's near impossible to have a coherent and constructive discussion on the subject as people fly off the handle into moral outrage mode at the mere mention of the word Paedophile. I agree with him 100%, it's such a touchy / taboo subject, that a helluva lot of people cannot discuss rationally.
Well said.

We 're talking about child rapists. What rational discussion is to be had? It seems to me the victims of these rapists are considered last in this equation, the destroyed family, the stolen childhood and a trauma carried for life for the victim and family. Yet we should have a rational discussion about the rapist? Load of auld bollox.

there has been a whole mob mentaility and as Joe says theyll move on to something else next week...  he has been a voice of rational discussion

So let's have a rational discussion. I'll start, Famous man rapes a child after grooming her. His famous friends tell us of how he's a great lad altogether. He gets a patheticly low sentence. The victim and family get life sentence. So what next...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
Question which i don't know answer to....

When those guys gave character references did they know he was guilty?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 27, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 27, 2017, 10:21:05 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
I think he's been trying to make the point that it's near impossible to have a coherent and constructive discussion on the subject as people fly off the handle into moral outrage mode at the mere mention of the word Paedophile. I agree with him 100%, it's such a touchy / taboo subject, that a helluva lot of people cannot discuss rationally.
Well said.

We 're talking about child rapists. What rational discussion is to be had? It seems to me the victims of these rapists are considered last in this equation, the destroyed family, the stolen childhood and a trauma carried for life for the victim and family. Yet we should have a rational discussion about the rapist? Load of auld bollox.

there has been a whole mob mentaility and as Joe says theyll move on to something else next week...  he has been a voice of rational discussion

So let's have a rational discussion. I'll start, Famous man rapes a child after grooming her. His famous friends tell us of how he's a great lad altogether. He gets a patheticly low sentence. The victim and family get life sentence. So what next...

Is the legal system and judge you may ask. So how did you feel about Mickey Harte giving a reference for sex attacker? No-one wants to address that question on this topic...

I think Harte a total and complete hypocrite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
It would probably be better to be a Murderer than a Paedophile in our society. There's plenty of released murderers walking the streets of the world with not 1/100th of the stigma of any paedophile, is that not fucked up in it's own way? You can recover from the actions of a Paedophile, not a murderer.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 27, 2017, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
It would probably be better to be a Murderer than a Paedophile in our society. There's plenty of released murderers walking the streets of the world with not 1/100th of the stigma of any paedophile, is that not fucked up in it's own way? You can recover from the actions of a Paedophile, not a murderer.

A murderer might do a bit more time in prison. For example Humphries probably will serve 18 months for raping a child.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 27, 2017, 11:22:14 PM
id say alot of children who were abused by paedos may as well have been murdered because they will never recover from it. should be the same long sentence for both.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
If you think being murdered and being subject to the actions of a Paedophile are on a par it illustrates the fact of how entrenched the taboo is and why discussions on the subject are often very irrational.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 27, 2017, 11:28:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2017, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
It would probably be better to be a Murderer than a Paedophile in our society. There's plenty of released murderers walking the streets of the world with not 1/100th of the stigma of any paedophile, is that not fucked up in it's own way? You can recover from the actions of a Paedophile, not a murderer.
Age of the victim is the issue, I think. Someone who murders a child would not have 1/100th of the stigma of a paedophile IMO. I'd say anyone committing serious crimes on children would be seen as the lowest of the low in our society. Is it wrong for us to be more outraged about serious crimes being committed against the most vulnerable people in our society? I don't think so.
I'm not going to defend Humphries or his ilk but when the sex act was performed, she was 16. Under the legal age of consent but in many countries she'd be married off at this stage. In my opinion language from Itchy about "raping a child" does not reflect what happened here and reduces the impact of what the horror of that really is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on October 27, 2017, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
If you think being murdered and being subject to the actions of a Paedophile are on a par it illustrates the fact of how entrenched the taboo is and why discussions on the subject are often very irrational.
im just saying the devastation left behind is on a par.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on October 28, 2017, 12:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 27, 2017, 11:28:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2017, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
It would probably be better to be a Murderer than a Paedophile in our society. There's plenty of released murderers walking the streets of the world with not 1/100th of the stigma of any paedophile, is that not fucked up in it's own way? You can recover from the actions of a Paedophile, not a murderer.
Age of the victim is the issue, I think. Someone who murders a child would not have 1/100th of the stigma of a paedophile IMO. I'd say anyone committing serious crimes on children would be seen as the lowest of the low in our society. Is it wrong for us to be more outraged about serious crimes being committed against the most vulnerable people in our society? I don't think so.
I'm not going to defend Humphries or his ilk but when the sex act was performed, she was 16. Under the legal age of consent but in many countries she'd be married off at this stage. In my opinion language from Itchy about "raping a child" does not reflect what happened here and reduces the impact of what the horror of that really is.

Rape child or groom and abuse a child, all the same to me. He was texting the girl at 14 send her 16k texts in 3 years some with pictures of his genitals. There are also 2 other cases that never got to court I believe. Don't make any mistake, sc**bag is what we are dealing with here. He is not the victim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 12:16:54 AM
Say someone very close (friendship wise) to you is being investigated for having sex with a minor. You're asked to provide a character reference for that person for the time you've known them up to this point. At this stage the case has not been settled yet. What do you do?

I think I would give a reference as it has nothing to do with the possible crime. If convicted, and you're approached to give a reference to lessen the punishment, then no. At this stage you know they're not the person you thought they were.

At what stage were the references given?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on October 29, 2017, 12:41:39 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 27, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
If you think being murdered and being subject to the actions of a Paedophile are on a par it illustrates the fact of how entrenched the taboo is and why discussions on the subject are often very irrational.

Any conversation with this dummy is irrational
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 29, 2017, 01:05:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
Questions I don't know the answer to....

What is the relevance of a character reference in the legal process?
Who chooses the people to give them?
Are these always positive?

1. Character references are provided to the judge prior to sentencing by the defence, social work or psychiatric reports may be requested by the judge at the same time and nowadays the prosecution is allowed to bring forward those connected with the victim and/or the victim to make impact statements.  All of this information is taken into account by the judge before sentencing.  The defence will have gathered these references prior to the trial so that they at hand to provide to the judge should the case be lost.

2. The defence chooses the people who may give references and will take a range of people across the professional spectrum or community who are willing to provide such references referring to the character of the defendant.

3. The references are always positive because the defence will provide guidance on how to write them while cautioning the writer about the nature of the offence and that they may not state any facts relevant to the case or claim that the defendant is innocent of the crime.

In a previous work situation, I was often asked to provide references that could be used in court.  I always wrote references which were positive and relevant to my experiences in dealing with the defendant and did not refer to any opinion that I had regarding the guilt or innocence of the defendant. I always ensured that my reference was an honest and true report on the individual because the document would be part of a legal case.  Most times I would have believed that my reference would have had to impact on the opinion of the judge in sentencing the defendant.  In my work position I did not believe that I could refuse to write a reference about a person regardless of the matter in court especially as I did not refer to the crime with which they were charged and simply wrote the reference relevant to my experience of the person.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 29, 2017, 01:14:23 AM
Brolly is 100% correct about the references and the hysteria regarding paedophillia and this is reinforced by some of the comments above.

Humphries is not a paedophilia as his victim had reached puberty and beyond.  Paedophilia refers to sexual interactions between adults and pre-pubescent young people.  Humphries is a reprehensible and loathsome individual who used his position and trust to sexually abuse a young person and while found guilty was given a sentence which should be appealed by the prosecution because in reality he will serve little time in prison due to remission.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 29, 2017, 09:31:03 AM
Great post Owen. Correct on all fronts though I'd say his actions in this case were loathsome and reprehensible. From reading Paul Kimmage's piece this morning it's clear there was also a large part of Humphries that was kind, compassionate and generous. Not much good to his victim and as you say, the sentence should have been longer, but nobody is all good or all bad either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 29, 2017, 09:39:29 AM
Absolutely brilliant and powerful piece from Joe today about Peadar Heffron, the GAA player who joined the PSNI and was subsequently outcast from his club and had his legs/arse blown off by a car bomb planted by his own people. Despicable bastards, not just the people who planted the bomb, but all of his former friends and clubmates who turned their backs on him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on October 29, 2017, 10:09:23 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-have-no-closure-heartbroken-family-of-innocent-postman-36-who-was-left-in-vegetative-state-after-shooting-36270303.html
Another case for SF voters  to ponder on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on October 29, 2017, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 29, 2017, 10:09:23 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-have-no-closure-heartbroken-family-of-innocent-postman-36-who-was-left-in-vegetative-state-after-shooting-36270303.html
Another case for SF voters  to ponder on.

They don't be doing much of that. Whataboutry at best.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 29, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 12:16:54 AM
Say someone very close (friendship wise) to you is being investigated for having sex with a minor. You're asked to provide a character reference for that person for the time you've known them up to this point. At this stage the case has not been settled yet. What do you do?

I think I would give a reference as it has nothing to do with the possible crime. If convicted, and you're approached to give a reference to lessen the punishment, then no. At this stage you know they're not the person you thought they were.

At what stage were the references given?

I wonder that too. Surely it is when nothing has been proven then they are innocent till proven guilty?

There have cases like this which have been completely fabricated.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on October 29, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 29, 2017, 09:39:29 AM
Absolutely brilliant and powerful piece from Joe today about Peadar Heffron, the GAA player who joined the PSNI and was subsequently outcast from his club and had his legs/arse blown off by a car bomb planted by his own people. Despicable b**tards, not just the people who planted the bomb, but all of his former friends and clubmates who turned their backs on him.

Read it. A great article. What a brave man. Hard to read at times.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 29, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
I do wonder what his old club will think of that article. Very sad the whole story to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on October 29, 2017, 08:09:10 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 29, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 12:16:54 AM
Say someone very close (friendship wise) to you is being investigated for having sex with a minor. You're asked to provide a character reference for that person for the time you've known them up to this point. At this stage the case has not been settled yet. What do you do?

I think I would give a reference as it has nothing to do with the possible crime. If convicted, and you're approached to give a reference to lessen the punishment, then no. At this stage you know they're not the person you thought they were.

At what stage were the references given?

I wonder that too. Surely it is when nothing has been proven then they are innocent till proven guilty?

There have cases like this which have been completely fabricated.

No its only after theyve been found or plead guilty. Only used for sentencing purposes ...would be no use if innocent
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 08:27:02 PM
i remember  Peadar Heffron at school, he was a few years below me, bit ironic himself and Declan McGlinchey were in the same year and some classes at school
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: inthrough on October 29, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
Excellent article by Brolly who, despite being a royal pain in the arse at times, really can hit the nail on the head when it comes to the things that really matter in this country.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 29, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
A very good article and a very sad one. I feel really sorry for that fella. But I can't help but feel he was stupid for going through with it all. Did he really think people would welcome his decision, especially after so many warnings. Sadly this part of the world isn't there yet.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-spurned-bombed-and-maimed-by-his-own-kind-36270245.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-spurned-bombed-and-maimed-by-his-own-kind-36270245.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 29, 2017, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 29, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
A very good article and a very sad one. I feel really sorry for that fella. But I can't help but feel he was stupid for going through with it all. Did he really think people would welcome his decision, especially after so many warnings. Sadly this part of the world isn't there yet.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-spurned-bombed-and-maimed-by-his-own-kind-36270245.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-spurned-bombed-and-maimed-by-his-own-kind-36270245.html)
That stubbornness that Brolly mentions in the article no doubt worked against him. He was naive in the extreme to think he would receive full support for his venture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 08:41:09 AM
This episode put to bed the lie that it is the big bad unionists who are responsible for everything that is wrong in the North.

Bigotry & hatefulness & sheer evil are alive & well on both sides despite talk about the "Peace Process".

Nothing much has changed & won't for generations as I see no real signs of engagement between both sides. Yes, the killing has, mostly, stopped but what you have now is two tribes occupying the same piece of ground but that is as far as it goes. They do their thing & we do ours.

Sad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

Why on earth was a cold respone from his teammates "justified".

Nationalists spent decades trying to get rid of the RUC & have it replaced. The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No.

But guess what? No police force is perfect & one way of ensuring same old same old was for nationalists to turn their backs on the new force. Brave men like Peadar paid the price for insular thinking & cowardice & I for one applaud him for it & I applaud Joe Brolly for highighting it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 30, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

You're on entirely the wrong side of this argument vallunkumous!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 30, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

Absolutely the cold response to him joining the cops was justified, are people suppose to just accept as fact this was a new police force and it would be totally different, especially as we know now about how the RUC personnel that got paid of on the Friday started again on the Monday.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM


Why on earth was a cold respone from his teammates "justified".

Nationalists spent decades trying to get rid of the RUC & have it replaced. The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No.

But guess what? No police force is perfect & one way of ensuring same old same old was for nationalists to turn their backs on the new force. Brave men like Peadar paid the price for insular thinking & cowardice & I for one applaud him for it & I applaud Joe Brolly for highighting it.

I understand that perfectly. I'm also able to bring myself back to that time and remember what I thought.

It may be that I was wrong to think that at the time no one should join the PSNI. I did think it though and I believe I had good reason.
My dislike for the PSNI has mellowed over time and perhaps that is due to men like this but there are probably many more factors.

I believe I am a good man, I was then too. I did honestly not like anyone joining the PSNI at that time.
I was not a coward to think this, my mother was not a coward to think the same. In saying that neither of us would have wished any harm to come to anyone who decided to join.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 09:34:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 30, 2017, 09:12:38 AM

You're on entirely the wrong side of this argument vallunkumous!!!

It's the price of an accurate memory.

What we see in this article and the massive response to it is the winners writing the history.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on October 30, 2017, 10:16:05 AM
It's quite a hard hitting article. In 2002 the police had changed names but not much else. Joining was obviously going to do more than raise eyebrows. I'd say you'd have got a similar response in most clubs back then, however hard people might find that fact to accept.

When I think of legacy cases involving their predecessors now that the PSNI continually try to block in the courts, it's hard not to feel the same disgust as I did for the RUC. Only 5 years previous they were complicit in the Loyalist murder of a GAA man a few miles up the road, so maybe that was still fresh in the memory.

Reading back now, the treatment and sentiment of his club mates doesn't look good but I can certainly understand it. Heffron himself even acknowledges his own naivity; and that coupled with his stubbornness ultimatey was his downfall. Those who gave information which led to his attack however are cowards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 30, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

Absolutely the cold response to him joining the cops was justified, are people suppose to just accept as fact this was a new police force and it would be totally different, especially as we know now about how the RUC personnel that got paid of on the Friday started again on the Monday.

Either we have a peace process or we don't, there can't be an in-between, the shinners voted for a new police force!

And yes in all jobs lads will have got paid off one day and re-joined the next... you can't overhaul an institution like the RUC overnight, not even in 10 years could you possibly change that internal mindset.. its got to be in generations, all previous serving RUC need to retire or even the serving PSNI officers with the same mindset need to go also before we can get the type of policing you can trust!

Once it was agreed by the political parties, blowing up policemen/women should have ceased and views on new recruits from the catholic side should have been accepted, brave decision to apply for a post that in previous years was a constant death threat, maybe foolishly people believed that things would work its way out, trust is so hard to crack when so many people have had horrendous experiences from the RUC for no reason... Though if you were an active republican you would have to accept your fate, they didn't go into this blind and knew what would happen should they find themselves caught, it was a war after all.

You'd have to find it difficult not to find some sympathy for him, he joined during the peace process, would not have joined before it I'd say, it was the will of the political parties to bring it together and for him he feels let down, I don't see much wrong in what he's said
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
Val in a way you like our equivalent of a die hard dup supporter; still stuck in the past! You all be happy if the police was 100% protestant like the good ole days! How come he was shudded in creggan but when a lad where i live done the same 10-12yrs ago there wasnt a problem; people maybe suprised but nobody took offence or wished him harm! Creggan come out if this looking very poorly especially after the bomb
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 30, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 30, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 29, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I think it says more about the people of creegan and the gaa club to be honest (and i would knew players his age from school) which i drive through each day, lad 4 houses up the road from me joined the police, played underage fball with us, nobody local had a problem with it, but he is never about anymore encase outsiders track him from the house which is sad. The reaction of his friends / teammates was pathetic, and childish, and the intimidation from the activists (ie: Sinn fein) says alot about them. Sure is life not rosy now as sinn fein are on the police board, joining the police now is ok cause they say so but no back then.

This is bull.
The reaction of his teammates is entirely understandable. What is not understandable is the suggestion that anyone would support an attack or want to see the lad hurt.
The cold response to joining the PSNI was expected and justified. This does not make those people bad people or people capable of hurting anyone. It's ok to be annoyed.

Absolutely the cold response to him joining the cops was justified, are people suppose to just accept as fact this was a new police force and it would be totally different, especially as we know now about how the RUC personnel that got paid of on the Friday started again on the Monday.

Either we have a peace process or we don't, there can't be an in-between, the shinners voted for a new police force!

And yes in all jobs lads will have got paid off one day and re-joined the next... you can't overhaul an institution like the RUC overnight, not even in 10 years could you possibly change that internal mindset.. its got to be in generations, all previous serving RUC need to retire or even the serving PSNI officers with the same mindset need to go also before we can get the type of policing you can trust!

Once it was agreed by the political parties, blowing up policemen/women should have ceased and views on new recruits from the catholic side should have been accepted, brave decision to apply for a post that in previous years was a constant death threat, maybe foolishly people believed that things would work its way out, trust is so hard to crack when so many people have had horrendous experiences from the RUC for no reason... Though if you were an active republican you would have to accept your fate, they didn't go into this blind and knew what would happen should they find themselves caught, it was a war after all.

You'd have to find it difficult not to find some sympathy for him, he joined during the peace process, would not have joined before it I'd say, it was the will of the political parties to bring it together and for him he feels let down, I don't see much wrong in what he's said


It was people outside the Peace Process that took his leg and it was decade after he had joined.

As you say it can take an organisation like the PSNI years to over haul itself with systematic and structured effort so how would anyone expect a community to change its opinion over night just because a political party in hotel down the country decided. I'm sure you remember yourself, the grassroots shinners about the country swearing blind they'd never support the police.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Cause it seems this political party dictated to the people of the area to the point they allowed in a changing room during training to intimate players and it taken as normal behaviour!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on October 30, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Cause it seems this political party dictated to the people of the area to the point they allowed in a changing room during training to intimate players and it taken as normal behaviour!


Sinn Fein never publicly endorsed the PSNI for another 5 years after he joined, something I'm sure his cousin Declan Kearney could have told him.  but on another level you think it was a clear sign of autocratic rule that the people that shunned him were OK with people explaining why he was being shunned?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on October 30, 2017, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Cause it seems this political party dictated to the people of the area to the point they allowed in a changing room during training to intimate players and it taken as normal behaviour!

So you think the people who intimidated and them bombed him were representing SF? Or are you talking about some other political party?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 11:31:03 AM
Everyone knows who bombed him, i dont think thats the issue, he knew there was always going to be others ouside of the main political parties that would be intent on causing death/harm to all security forces.. read what he said about his own, thats his problem..

I totaly get the reason why some may have given him the the cold shoulder, as a club they have been put in a position locally that they may support a player that is in a police service that many believe have help the murder of numerous GAA memebers, who had no involvement with the IRA..

As MoChara has said, and still to this day on the ground republicans wont change their mindset on the PSNI, as i said earlier it may take generations for that view to mellow..

I havent the answers as to how you gain trust, people have lost love ones over many decades and never got justice for them... but continuing to shun them will always take longer to fix...

As a point of interest to or southern friends and this is a honest question, how do the police in the south integrate into the local communities? And I mean that in a way that in the north we've never had local police living next door to us, which seems strange.. is there a bitta distrust that you's see in the likes of England or is it grand?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 30, 2017, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM


Why on earth was a cold respone from his teammates "justified".

Nationalists spent decades trying to get rid of the RUC & have it replaced. The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No.

But guess what? No police force is perfect & one way of ensuring same old same old was for nationalists to turn their backs on the new force. Brave men like Peadar paid the price for insular thinking & cowardice & I for one applaud him for it & I applaud Joe Brolly for highighting it.

I understand that perfectly. I'm also able to bring myself back to that time and remember what I thought.

It may be that I was wrong to think that at the time no one should join the PSNI. I did think it though and I believe I had good reason.
My dislike for the PSNI has mellowed over time and perhaps that is due to men like this but there are probably many more factors.

I believe I am a good man, I was then too. I did honestly not like anyone joining the PSNI at that time.
I was not a coward to think this, my mother was not a coward to think the same. In saying that neither of us would have wished any harm to come to anyone who decided to join.

this is how I remember it also.

I remember a couple of people I know joining a few years later and my feelings on them would not have been good.
Fast forward 13 years and a friend of mine joined and Id have been supportive of his decision.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on October 30, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
Well Milltown it appears that Weasel certainly doesn't know as he has mentioned SF repeatedly as being involved in the intimidation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on October 30, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
Val in a way you like our equivalent of a die hard dup supporter; still stuck in the past! You all be happy if the police was 100% protestant like the good ole days! How come he was shudded in creggan but when a lad where i live done the same 10-12yrs ago there wasnt a problem; people maybe suprised but nobody took offence or wished him harm! Creggan come out if this looking very poorly especially after the bomb

So obviously it's my club that a lot of people are throwing stones at, so I'm going to post a few thoughts on the issue.

Sadly, the article was not 100% accurate and doesn't provide the full context of the situation (obviously when the club doesn't comment a full picture is not going to be presented)

Peadar announced to the team in a meeting in O'Boyle's pub about his decision to join the  PSNI.  A silence descended upon the room as the Creggan community has a mixture of hardline republican and nationalist political views,  and the team's views would have been representative of that mix.

I know at least three teammates and the chairman spoke up in support of the decision, myself being one, and we spoke of the change needed in policing and Peadar was part of the change. I'm disappointed that this wasn't mentioned in the article because he did have support of some of his team mates. This is highlighted even more so that after some of us retired, we organized weekly soccer sessions on the new 4G at the club, and Peadar was included as part of our group, every week. So again disappointed that this was not mentioned.

Also at the meeting, other views were expressed, one being that no one should join until the full reforms were put in place, as there was a view that the PSNI was re-badged RUC and reforms should be implemented before the force would become acceptable to the community.

The senior team at the time could be divided into three groups, a few older heads, with some supporting Peadar and some not, a small group who knew Peadar through the youth teams who were mostly supportive, and a young batch who were just establishing themselves on the team. This group would have been from predominantly republican backgrounds and mostly not supportive of the move.

The team never fell out, but I know words were said to wise up about the situation and that the jersey came first etc. The situation wasn't great, but not a disaster and Peadar trained and played away. I know that I personally spoke to Peadar about being left out of teams and pulled him into mine, and  I know that I personally spoke out to lads who referred him as Brit. So the atmosphere was tense but was being managed 

So again, the article doesn't accurately reflect the situation at the time.

The reference to the difficult position that the club found itself in was related to  received threats. The club were advised that our youth teams safety couldn't be guaranteed and our senior team were offered challenge matches during the next pre-season, but specific requests were made to ensure we brought our brit. The club were especially concerned about the threat to our youth teams and an inability to protect them.

So I know the club went to Peadar and asked him to take a year out until things calmed down.

Peadar being Peadar said no, and when the leaflets were handed out in the changing room, Peadar understandably walked away. I know this is where he believes the club let him down the most, that they didn't defend him publicly when this occurred.

That incident was scary, even though no thread was made, the way the leaflets were handed out was menacing and it felt like a threat to everyone who supported Peadar, and obviously to Peadar himself. Also, the lads who handed out the leaflets were not associated with the club, and

Regarding the club not contacting Peadar in an official capacity, again probably true and I don't know the ins and outs of that so not able to comment .

Regarding the community, it was shocked and saddened about the attack and his uncles were part of the club committee, and all messages of support to Peadar were delivered via his family, as he was unable to receive visits.

This response is not intended to be a message of blind support for the Creggan club and community, but the situation was def. more complex than what was described in the article as was NI during that period
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
There is always 2 sides to a story Kickham, I knew that there would have been players of his age group that he was friends with would have had sensible view on things, but for him 3 plus the chairman on a team of 25 or more wouldnt have been much support.. You're club should use that post as a comment, though getting into an arguement over it wont look good either way!

Spotlight on your club is the worst! strippers one week PSNI the next! clubs are taking a bashing in the closed season!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on October 30, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
There is always 2 sides to a story Kickham, I knew that there would have been players of his age group that he was friends with would have had sensible view on things, but for him 3 plus the chairman on a team of 25 or more wouldnt have been much support.. You're club should use that post as a comment, though getting into an arguement over it wont look good either way!

Spotlight on your club is the worst! strippers one week PSNI the next! clubs are taking a bashing in the closed season!
For clarification, about one spoke out against him joining and four spoke out in support during the team meeting, so from that meeting, I don't think Peadar would have any concerns about support, what happen in the months and years after the meeting would be him main issue.

Knowing the club, they will feel that getting into an argument over it wont benefit anybody and they will not comment.

If Creggan are to handle it, they will handle it will be through an EGM to discuss the issue within the community. The club has grown over the past 10-20 years, and "new blood" has come in which I suspect this has diluted the political views within the club, so I expect them to address it as a club to ensure everyone will have a fair and balanced view of the article.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on October 30, 2017, 01:15:24 PM
Why was Brolly chosen to conduct this interview,and not one of independent media's professional journalists,of which there are many?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 30, 2017, 01:15:24 PM
Why was Brolly chosen to conduct this interview,and not one of independent media's professional journalists,of which there are many?

He has had dealings with him before? you read the article? Local Gaa man, panelist on the Sunday game, outspoken, liked and disliked its seems in equal measures.. why not Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on October 30, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
...The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No. But guess what? No police force is perfect...

Doesn't that imply that it's a) almost perfect, and/or b) no worse than other imperfect forces? Given the lengths the PSNI is still going to in order to cover up state collusion surely it deserves to be held to higher standards this?

On 28th July, the PSNI was found guilty of breaching the human rights of the families of the Glenanne Gang's victims. It was found to have "frustrated any possibility of an effective investigation" into the activities of a mass-murder gang that the RUC was so deeply involved in. In other words, they were trying to frustrate any investigation into the mass-murder of around 120 people, perpetrated by a group which included a large number of RUC officers and security force personnel. As part of the judgement, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the families before 4th September. It ignored this legally biding court order and did not meet the families.

If someone wants to join such an organisation, that's their decision and I don't condone or support for a second any form of attacks on such people, but while it is an organisation that works to cover up state collusion of so many civilians, and treats the victims families with such shocking levels of disdain, then it's not a police force that I'd ever want to be a part of.

http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni (http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on October 30, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
...The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No. But guess what? No police force is perfect...

Doesn't that imply that it's a) almost perfect, and/or b) no worse than other imperfect forces? Given the lengths the PSNI is still going to in order to cover up state collusion surely it deserves to be held to higher standards this?

On 28th July, the PSNI was found guilty of breaching the human rights of the families of the Glenanne Gang's victims. It was found to have "frustrated any possibility of an effective investigation" into the activities of a mass-murder gang that the RUC was so deeply involved in. In other words, they were trying to frustrate any investigation into the mass-murder of around 120 people, perpetrated by a group which included a large number of RUC officers and security force personnel. As part of the judgement, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the families before 4th September. It ignored this legally biding court order and did not meet the families.

If someone wants to join such an organisation, that's their decision and I don't condone or support for a second any form of attacks on such people, but while it is an organisation that works to cover up state collusion of so many civilians, and treats the victims families with such shocking levels of disdain, then it's not a police force that I'd ever want to be a part of.

http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni (http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni)

So if a 23 year old Catholic joined, has never known NI to be anything other than the peace process, no baggage from family history or any other stuff, you'd think less of him/her because of it? He'd be dealing with the day to day, rather than the historical cases that are coming up, for me that's a problem from the top or ex RUC not the new lads and lasses surely?

You can't fix something from outside, new people joining can only make it better (in time) this element of collusion needs to rest with the ones that carried it out, blaming new cops is a bit silly

Whats your view on a proper police force?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on October 30, 2017, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on October 30, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: inthrough on October 30, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
...The PSNI was the result of those efforts. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No. But guess what? No police force is perfect...

Doesn't that imply that it's a) almost perfect, and/or b) no worse than other imperfect forces? Given the lengths the PSNI is still going to in order to cover up state collusion surely it deserves to be held to higher standards this?

On 28th July, the PSNI was found guilty of breaching the human rights of the families of the Glenanne Gang's victims. It was found to have "frustrated any possibility of an effective investigation" into the activities of a mass-murder gang that the RUC was so deeply involved in. In other words, they were trying to frustrate any investigation into the mass-murder of around 120 people, perpetrated by a group which included a large number of RUC officers and security force personnel. As part of the judgement, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the families before 4th September. It ignored this legally biding court order and did not meet the families.

If someone wants to join such an organisation, that's their decision and I don't condone or support for a second any form of attacks on such people, but while it is an organisation that works to cover up state collusion of so many civilians, and treats the victims families with such shocking levels of disdain, then it's not a police force that I'd ever want to be a part of.

http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni (http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/collusion/families-bereaved-glenanne-gang-still-waiting-hear-psni)

So if a 23 year old Catholic joined, has never known NI to be anything other than the peace process, no baggage from family history or any other stuff, you'd think less of him/her because of it? He'd be dealing with the day to day, rather than the historical cases that are coming up, for me that's a problem from the top or ex RUC not the new lads and lasses surely?

You can't fix something from outside, new people joining can only make it better (in time) this element of collusion needs to rest with the ones that carried it out, blaming new cops is a bit silly

Whats your view on a proper police force?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35123352

The PSNI couldn't even be arsed to properly investigate the attack on 'one of their own'. Anything to do with the fact he was a Fenian, do you think? After all, the RUC had form for that. And last week's quashing of the PSNI's decision not to pursue investigations into the Hooded Men scandal would suggest to me a leopard can't change its spots ... a lot of people at the top of the PSNI were there before its makeover. How much has really changed?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
The atmosphere around the PSNI now and their inception has changed significantly. There would still be a mistrust between the nationalist community and police force I would feel but nowhere near the level it would have been at the start. I would still have misgivings about the PSNI but that's the choice of those who join it, my objection would not have been as strong as it once was.

It's a sad story but the GAA club is just a proxy here in what would have been felt throughout any strong nationalist community on one of their own joining the PSNI at that time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
So is it ok to join the police force now??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
So is it ok to join the police force now??

It's as ok as joining the Ra
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on October 30, 2017, 07:13:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
Val in a way you like our equivalent of a die hard dup supporter; still stuck in the past! You all be happy if the police was 100% protestant like the good ole days! How come he was shudded in creggan but when a lad where i live done the same 10-12yrs ago there wasnt a problem; people maybe suprised but nobody took offence or wished him harm! Creggan come out if this looking very poorly especially after the bomb

I'm very much I  the present but I didn't get here from the future.

You do not need to make assumptions about me, just ask and I'll give my opinion.
I don't call them the good old days and I would not be happy with a 100% police force from any one background.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: paddyjohn on October 30, 2017, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
So is it ok to join the police force now??

It's as ok as joining the Ra

They don't exist anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on October 30, 2017, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 30, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
So is it ok to join the police force now??

It's as ok as joining the Ra

They don't exist anymore.

Well someone was getting their knees done the other night! And it wasn't the Christian brothers doing it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on October 30, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
The G.F.A is finished. People have abandoned any middle ground
Just look at the triumphalism from sf after the Assembly election and the dup after the Westminster election when they knew they had the balance of power.
They're welcome to each other
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on October 30, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
The G.F.A is finished. People have abandoned any middle ground
Just look at the triumphalism from sf after the Assembly election and the dup after the Westminster election when they knew they had the balance of power.
They're welcome to each other

I don't know how old you are or where you grew up, but I'm seriously glad my children don't have to to grow up in an environment that I had to!

GFA might be shite but it's over 3000 times better than before it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on October 31, 2017, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on October 30, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
The G.F.A is finished. People have abandoned any middle ground
Just look at the triumphalism from sf after the Assembly election and the dup after the Westminster election when they knew they had the balance of power.
They're welcome to each other

I don't know how old you are or where you grew up, but I'm seriously glad my children don't have to to grow up in an environment that I had to!

GFA might be shite but it's over 3000 times better than before it
Well said.
Around 3,600 times - and then all the physically injured.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on October 31, 2017, 07:56:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2017, 08:30:24 PM


I don't know how old you are or where you grew up, but I'm seriously glad my children don't have to to grow up in an environment that I had to!

GFA might be shite but it's over 3000 times better than before it

Yes, exactly.

It's insulting to have someone suggest I might refer to them as the good auld days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 31, 2017, 07:08:29 PM
Well Val are u ok with Catholics joining the police force now? Or how do u expect the police force to change if you want no catholic representation on it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
The hypocrisy from some in the nationalist community to the PSNI is breath taking. People who credit Gerry and Martin for changing the Republican movement from within shun those who join(ed) the PSNI to do the same. Was the new PSNI perfect no, did it take back RUC officers and hold on to a large number yes, but you need experience in the Police service and where was that to come from? I am delighted to meet Odhran's, Peadar's and Niamh's with the Police Uniform on. I count a number as good friends. When you have a 96% or whatever protestant organisation allied to one section of society you will inevitably have collusion and bad apples. But all the RUC weren't like that and were every bit entitled to be unionist. It's changed times and people like Peadar Heffron and Ronan Kerr were brave to take the steps they did, and were doing so on behalf of their community, some of whom have maimed and killed them and some of whom have just let them down. If Kickhams Creggan behaved as reported then they have shamed the GAA and the whole nationalist community. If they haven't then lets hear their side of the story. The silence of Declan Kearney and the ambivlance of some in SF mirrors the similar reaction of some in the DUP to Loyalism and loyalist paramilitaries. Fair play to Joe Brolly for a hard but necessary read.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 01, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
At the time the RUC changed to the PSNI, there was no fanfare of it being a new police force; both sides still saw it as the RUC, and it was. It took a number of years before the RUC could be seen to evolve into a fair police force (and not related to the religious makeup of its members) - it certainly didn't become this on the same night the signs were replaced.

Having read the article, the main thing that sticks out for me is how glibly the link is made between Peadar's new career not being supported by his club mates, and him getting his legs blown off. Again, this isn't fair. Had Creggan stood behind him, would Peadar not have been a target for dissidents regardless? Of course he would.

Creggan Kickhams didn't shame the GAA nor the nationalist community - inevitably, as a community organisation, they have merely reflected them. Its easy to look back with rose tinted glasses now and castigate nationalists for not accepting the PSNI from the day and hour the name changed, but that is neither realistic nor fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2017, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
The hypocrisy from some in the nationalist community to the PSNI is breath taking. People who credit Gerry and Martin for changing the Republican movement from within shun those who join(ed) the PSNI to do the same. Was the new PSNI perfect no, did it take back RUC officers and hold on to a large number yes, but you need experience in the Police service and where was that to come from? I am delighted to meet Odhran's, Peadar's and Niamh's with the Police Uniform on. I count a number as good friends. When you have a 96% or whatever protestant organisation allied to one section of society you will inevitably have collusion and bad apples. But all the RUC weren't like that and were every bit entitled to be unionist. It's changed times and people like Peadar Heffron and Ronan Kerr were brave to take the steps they did, and were doing so on behalf of their community, some of whom have maimed and killed them and some of whom have just let them down. If Kickhams Creggan behaved as reported then they have shamed the GAA and the whole nationalist community. If they haven't then lets hear their side of the story. The silence of Declan Kearney and the ambivlance of some in SF mirrors the similar reaction of some in the DUP to Loyalism and loyalist paramilitaries. Fair play to Joe Brolly for a hard but necessary read.

Some might call it bravery. Others might call it stupidity (among other things).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 01, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
I'm only new and I'm probably leaving myself open to attack here but I think the actions of the club that Heffron played for his entire life were despicable. If the story is to be taken at full value, there is grown men (friends) who shunned him because of a choice of profession, compare this with the treatment of other players from fellow team mates who in some cases stole money etc to feed a habit, these men by and large were welcomed back into their clubs. He actually states at the start of the article that he only joined as he seen it as his way of doing his bit for a united Ireland. It wasn't as if he was some Rory McIlroy figure waving a shamrock and a lambeg drum. The most interesting aspect of the interview was the bit at the end where he implies who set him up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 01, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 01, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
I'm only new and I'm probably leaving myself open to attack here but I think the actions of the club that Heffron played for his entire life were despicable. If the story is to be taken at full value, there is grown men (friends) who shunned him because of a choice of profession, compare this with the treatment of other players from fellow team mates who in some cases stole money etc to feed a habit, these men by and large were welcomed back into their clubs. He actually states at the start of the article that he only joined as he seen it as his way of doing his bit for a united Ireland. It wasn't as if he was some Rory McIlroy figure waving a shamrock and a lambeg drum. The most interesting aspect of the interview was the bit at the end where he implies who set him up.

He pretty much did, wearing a uniform with a shamrock and a crown.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 01, 2017, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
The hypocrisy from some in the nationalist community to the PSNI is breath taking. People who credit Gerry and Martin for changing the Republican movement from within shun those who join(ed) the PSNI to do the same. Was the new PSNI perfect no, did it take back RUC officers and hold on to a large number yes, but you need experience in the Police service and where was that to come from? I am delighted to meet Odhran's, Peadar's and Niamh's with the Police Uniform on. I count a number as good friends. When you have a 96% or whatever protestant organisation allied to one section of society you will inevitably have collusion and bad apples. But all the RUC weren't like that and were every bit entitled to be unionist. It's changed times and people like Peadar Heffron and Ronan Kerr were brave to take the steps they did, and were doing so on behalf of their community, some of whom have maimed and killed them and some of whom have just let them down. If Kickhams Creggan behaved as reported then they have shamed the GAA and the whole nationalist community. If they haven't then lets hear their side of the story. The silence of Declan Kearney and the ambivlance of some in SF mirrors the similar reaction of some in the DUP to Loyalism and loyalist paramilitaries. Fair play to Joe Brolly for a hard but necessary read.

This is a complex issue and when we talk about Peadar's treatment it needs to be divided into two areas, the clubs response and the teams response.

If we consider the club,  Peadar's extended family were at the time, and now, heavily involved in the running of the club, through committee involvement and mentoring teams etc.

Threats were made to the club in the guise that our underage teams safety could be guaranteed and this influenced a lot of the clubs responses to Peadar. The "difficult position" that he refers to in the article was entered around this and his family would have been included in the discussions on how to handle the situation and many including myself, believed his family were the official line of communication to Peadar.

Not all the club were against Peadar, as I mentioned before the Creggan area has mixed views and the club is representative of the area, so we would have people with progressive views at the time and supported Peadar, but also republicans who believed the PSNI were re-badged RUC.  The big issue at the time was the acceptance of PSNI. If my memory serves me right, when Peadar joined, Sinn Fein had not officially supported the PSNI, as they believed the required changes to the organisation hadn't been made. So Sinn Fein had not come out and supported the PSNI at that time and republicans thought it was too soon to join.

Considering the lack of Sinn Fein support plus the majority of our club members would have had negative experiences with the RUC and army. During car searches, once the club colours were identified, you would have spent hours waiting in the car to be let go, and in some cases threatened. Sean Brown's body was dumped in our community and there are still concerns that the police were involved in the murder. This lead to the resistance that Peadar talked about in the article. While I disagreed with this view, I totally understood where they were coming from.

So some in the club supported Peadar and some didn't. I know people spoke out for Peadar and I'm disappointed that this wasn't identified in the article as it would have given the article some balance and would have gone in some way to identify the complexity of the situation.

I have mentioned the team dynamics before, so not perfect but was being managed and I believe the situation would have settled if given time. As I mentioned before, Peadar played soccer in the clubs 4G with some of his ex teammates for a couple of years after this and he never received any negative feedback at the time.

Now a lot of people (especially the politicians) seemed to have forgotten that this all happened 15 years ago and a lot has changed during this time. The wider community has come on the journey of living in the immediate post troubles era to the more normalized society that we live in now.

The club in the past year has hosted events with the PSNI in the clubrooms, and members of the club and some club member families have joined the PSNI and other police services with no issues within the club.

We as a club tend to keep everything in-house and the newspaper exposure will not be appreciated to say the least. If you look at Antrim GAA message boards, very little to no messages would be posted from Creggan lads in the run up to games etc, and the lack of response on this matter is a continuation of that approach.

When club members have died in the past, only recently did the club post a message in the papers. Our tradition was always no public response, however a letter would written from the chairman to the deceased family on behalf of the club.

While the club may be pressurized into making a statement, I anticipate a private approach to Peadar to bring some reconciliation to the issue, which may include a club meeting
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2017, 04:53:23 PM
To be fair lads, there has been a poster from Creggan on who shed some light on things and was at certain meetings when this all started... there are always 2 sides to this, typical NI I know!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Associating with someone who stole from the club to feed a habit is very unlikely to have you and your family intimidated by paramilitaries. Continuing a friendship with a PSNI officer is a whole different ball game, certainly at that time.
The club were put in a very difficult position. It's easy to say a lot of things in hindsight.
It is not a difficult position and required moral courage which appears to have been lacking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 01, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Associating with someone who stole from the club to feed a habit is very unlikely to have you and your family intimidated by paramilitaries. Continuing a friendship with a PSNI officer is a whole different ball game, certainly at that time.
The club were put in a very difficult position. It's easy to say a lot of things in hindsight.
It is not a difficult position and required moral courage which appears to have been lacking.
No offence, but your full of shit and have no knowledge of what actually happened.

People with moral courage spoke out for Peadar, and people with moral courage spoke out against.

This was a major divisive issue at the time, and our club was caught in the middle. Nobody stayed quiet who was in support of Peadar. The big issue that he had with the club is related to the club being caught between threats to teams and supporting Peadar.

If it was only the senior team, we wouldn't have cared, but the youth was also included.

So the club tried to manage the situation as best they could

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 01, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
It's not a run of the mill scenario I know. And the statement from the Kichkams man clears up a lot of stuff that Brolly didn't make clear in the article. I just think that the whole thing could've been handled a lot better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Associating with someone who stole from the club to feed a habit is very unlikely to have you and your family intimidated by paramilitaries. Continuing a friendship with a PSNI officer is a whole different ball game, certainly at that time.
The club were put in a very difficult position. It's easy to say a lot of things in hindsight.

Nail on head. A very one sided piece from a man who's entitled to be angry. There's a truth somewhere in the middle as kickhams csc alluded to. I would say I can't beleive the reaction to this piece but alas I'm resigned to the revisionist nature of society nowadays.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
I'd like to know if the posters celebrating brolly for writing this piece were as supportive of him last week when he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 01, 2017, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
I'd like to know if the posters celebrating brolly for writing this piece were as supportive of him last week when he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile.

that's how it works... sometimes you agree with someone other times you dont.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 01, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
To suggest he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile is just nonsense. He suggested asking what was Donal Og to do when Humphries asked for a character reference, I thought about this and if a friend of mine asked me for a character reference, no matter the crime he was up for, I would have no hesitation giving it to him. The whole debate reeks of hypocrisy, Ewan McKenna mentioned this week about Mickey Harte's character reference for another defendant who was subsequently found guilty, are we now to put him and Brolly together as apologists for Sex Offenders?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 01, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
I'd like to know if the posters celebrating brolly for writing this piece were as supportive of him last week when he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile.

Sure just make stuff up there!!

Jesus you don't have to look too far to find people making up stories now!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 01, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 01, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
To suggest he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile is just nonsense. He suggested asking what was Donal Og to do when Humphries asked for a character reference, I thought about this and if a friend of mine asked me for a character reference, no matter the crime he was up for, I would have no hesitation giving it to him. The whole debate reeks of hypocrisy, Ewan McKenna mentioned this week about Mickey Harte's character reference for another defendant who was subsequently found guilty, are we now to put him and Brolly together as apologists for Sex Offenders?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much

If a friend of mine came to me and said I am on trial for sex abuse of a minor and need a character reference I'd tell him to f**k off, we are no longer friends. Same thing if i found out my friend was marching with neo Nazis, joined the KKK or was selling heroin. Maybe I expect a bit too much from my friends?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 01, 2017, 11:03:56 PM
Saddest thing is that the real victim is long forgotten by most people. Anyone think how that young girl feels when she heard respected people saying what a good man her rapist is. Maybe she would have to question herself then, since the man is so good perhaps she has to take some blame. These references are disgusting and should not be allowed by law in my opinion. It also takes a total bollox to write one for someone charged with rape of a minor in my opinion. We talk all the garbage we want about the past life of Humphries and the like, I'm for no tolerance and let the law concern itself with the welfare of the victim and the perpetrator can look after himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 01, 2017, 11:16:57 PM
trileacman  i didn't see any Tyrone posters give out about Harte giving a character reference to a man who was convicted of Rape, but u ok giving out about Brolly discussing the position Cusack was put in.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/womans-fury-as-sex-attacker-given-reference-by-gaa-boss-harte-is-jailed-for-twoandahalf-years-29102469.html

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 01, 2017, 11:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 01, 2017, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
The hypocrisy from some in the nationalist community to the PSNI is breath taking. People who credit Gerry and Martin for changing the Republican movement from within shun those who join(ed) the PSNI to do the same. Was the new PSNI perfect no, did it take back RUC officers and hold on to a large number yes, but you need experience in the Police service and where was that to come from? I am delighted to meet Odhran's, Peadar's and Niamh's with the Police Uniform on. I count a number as good friends. When you have a 96% or whatever protestant organisation allied to one section of society you will inevitably have collusion and bad apples. But all the RUC weren't like that and were every bit entitled to be unionist. It's changed times and people like Peadar Heffron and Ronan Kerr were brave to take the steps they did, and were doing so on behalf of their community, some of whom have maimed and killed them and some of whom have just let them down. If Kickhams Creggan behaved as reported then they have shamed the GAA and the whole nationalist community. If they haven't then lets hear their side of the story. The silence of Declan Kearney and the ambivlance of some in SF mirrors the similar reaction of some in the DUP to Loyalism and loyalist paramilitaries. Fair play to Joe Brolly for a hard but necessary read.

This is a complex issue and when we talk about Peadar's treatment it needs to be divided into two areas, the clubs response and the teams response.

If we consider the club,  Peadar's extended family were at the time, and now, heavily involved in the running of the club, through committee involvement and mentoring teams etc.

Threats were made to the club in the guise that our underage teams safety could be guaranteed and this influenced a lot of the clubs responses to Peadar. The "difficult position" that he refers to in the article was entered around this and his family would have been included in the discussions on how to handle the situation and many including myself, believed his family were the official line of communication to Peadar.

Not all the club were against Peadar, as I mentioned before the Creggan area has mixed views and the club is representative of the area, so we would have people with progressive views at the time and supported Peadar, but also republicans who believed the PSNI were re-badged RUC.  The big issue at the time was the acceptance of PSNI. If my memory serves me right, when Peadar joined, Sinn Fein had not officially supported the PSNI, as they believed the required changes to the organisation hadn't been made. So Sinn Fein had not come out and supported the PSNI at that time and republicans thought it was too soon to join.

Considering the lack of Sinn Fein support plus the majority of our club members would have had negative experiences with the RUC and army. During car searches, once the club colours were identified, you would have spent hours waiting in the car to be let go, and in some cases threatened. Sean Brown's body was dumped in our community and there are still concerns that the police were involved in the murder. This lead to the resistance that Peadar talked about in the article. While I disagreed with this view, I totally understood where they were coming from.

So some in the club supported Peadar and some didn't. I know people spoke out for Peadar and I'm disappointed that this wasn't identified in the article as it would have given the article some balance and would have gone in some way to identify the complexity of the situation.

I have mentioned the team dynamics before, so not perfect but was being managed and I believe the situation would have settled if given time. As I mentioned before, Peadar played soccer in the clubs 4G with some of his ex teammates for a couple of years after this and he never received any negative feedback at the time.

Now a lot of people (especially the politicians) seemed to have forgotten that this all happened 15 years ago and a lot has changed during this time. The wider community has come on the journey of living in the immediate post troubles era to the more normalized society that we live in now.

The club in the past year has hosted events with the PSNI in the clubrooms, and members of the club and some club member families have joined the PSNI and other police services with no issues within the club.

We as a club tend to keep everything in-house and the newspaper exposure will not be appreciated to say the least. If you look at Antrim GAA message boards, very little to no messages would be posted from Creggan lads in the run up to games etc, and the lack of response on this matter is a continuation of that approach.

When club members have died in the past, only recently did the club post a message in the papers. Our tradition was always no public response, however a letter would written from the chairman to the deceased family on behalf of the club.

While the club may be pressurized into making a statement, I anticipate a private approach to Peadar to bring some reconciliation to the issue, which may include a club meeting

Eloquently put.  2 sides to every story and out of tragic circumstances a story was  leveraged to mxaximise reputational damage to the gaa and the people of creggan. Peadar's bitterness (he concedes that himself) toward both  can be understood, Joe's sensationalism less so. No context given and has hardened unionist perceptions against the gaa.  Good luck to all clubs looking funding going forward.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on November 01, 2017, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
I think the character reference being quoted in relation to Mickey Harte was for a lad (with mental health issues) who was convicted of shooting his own father.

Unless I missed another.
yeah you missed another. the one where the lad sexually attacked a girl and threw her out of the car onto the side of the road. kinda stuff you used to get ur knees blown off for doin. mickey happy enough though as long as he gettin his name in the paper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on November 02, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 01, 2017, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
I'd like to know if the posters celebrating brolly for writing this piece were as supportive of him last week when he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile.

that's how it works... sometimes you agree with someone other times you dont.

Are you trying to say Joe Brollys not infallible?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: MoChara on November 02, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 01, 2017, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 01, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
I'd like to know if the posters celebrating brolly for writing this piece were as supportive of him last week when he acted as an apologist for a convicted paedophile.

that's how it works... sometimes you agree with someone other times you dont.

Are you trying to say Joe Brollys not infallible?

No... that's Mickey Harte you're thinking of.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 02, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 01, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Associating with someone who stole from the club to feed a habit is very unlikely to have you and your family intimidated by paramilitaries. Continuing a friendship with a PSNI officer is a whole different ball game, certainly at that time.
The club were put in a very difficult position. It's easy to say a lot of things in hindsight.
It is not a difficult position and required moral courage which appears to have been lacking.
No offence, but your full of shit and have no knowledge of what actually happened.

People with moral courage spoke out for Peadar, and people with moral courage spoke out against.

This was a major divisive issue at the time, and our club was caught in the middle. Nobody stayed quiet who was in support of Peadar. The big issue that he had with the club is related to the club being caught between threats to teams and supporting Peadar.

If it was only the senior team, we wouldn't have cared, but the youth was also included.

So the club tried to manage the situation as best they could
How can you be divided on the blowing up a car with a human being in it? Moral courage means speaking out. The peace process was sufficiently embedded, those threatening Peadar had no right and those speaking against him give succour to the bombers. How can you be divided on a human right? There was a ceasefire, the peace process was in full swing and there is no place for this type of nonsense in a GAA club. But aside from the position at the time it would seem that Peadar's issue is rooted more in what followed and especially after the bombing. You're right I have no knowledge I can only go with what is in the public domain so perhaps the club should seek some professional advice and speak out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Brolly has some go at Creggan in Gaelic Life today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Brolly has some go at Creggan in Gaelic Life today.

Link?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:44:34 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Brolly has some go at Creggan in Gaelic Life today.

Link?

I dont know bout link... i bought it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:44:34 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Brolly has some go at Creggan in Gaelic Life today.

Link?

I dont know bout link... i bought it

Some of us don't have the time to visit shops before work lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2017, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:44:34 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on November 02, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Brolly has some go at Creggan in Gaelic Life today.

Link?

I dont know bout link... i bought it

Some of us don't have the time to visit shops before work lol
Aye, rushing in to read stuff online.

More like trying to make in here on time..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 02, 2017, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 02, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 01, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 01, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Associating with someone who stole from the club to feed a habit is very unlikely to have you and your family intimidated by paramilitaries. Continuing a friendship with a PSNI officer is a whole different ball game, certainly at that time.
The club were put in a very difficult position. It's easy to say a lot of things in hindsight.
It is not a difficult position and required moral courage which appears to have been lacking.
No offence, but your full of shit and have no knowledge of what actually happened.

People with moral courage spoke out for Peadar, and people with moral courage spoke out against.

This was a major divisive issue at the time, and our club was caught in the middle. Nobody stayed quiet who was in support of Peadar. The big issue that he had with the club is related to the club being caught between threats to teams and supporting Peadar.

If it was only the senior team, we wouldn't have cared, but the youth was also included.

So the club tried to manage the situation as best they could
How can you be divided on the blowing up a car with a human being in it? Moral courage means speaking out. The peace process was sufficiently embedded, those threatening Peadar had no right and those speaking against him give succour to the bombers. How can you be divided on a human right? There was a ceasefire, the peace process was in full swing and there is no place for this type of nonsense in a GAA club. But aside from the position at the time it would seem that Peadar's issue is rooted more in what followed and especially after the bombing. You're right I have no knowledge I can only go with what is in the public domain so perhaps the club should seek some professional advice and speak out.

Your making a crazy leap from people being angry at Peadar joining the police and same people wanting him killed. For the people who were against him, they wanted to see changes in the police force before it was accepted in the community and though that Peadar joining the police would actually hinder that change.

Can't speak for everybody, but the vast vast majority of the community were not divided on the attack on Peadar's car, all were horrified and as I've said before, all messages of support were relayed to Peadar through his wide family circle.

The peace process was in full swing, but the police were dragging their feet about implementing the Patten changes that were required to change the police force for the good of the whole community. My community had suffered greatly at the hands of the RUC / Army, so they had a natural journey to travel to acceptance of the police, and what we experienced at that time was part of the journey.

I believe Peadar should be held in high esteem by the club, and I look forward to the day when a reconciliation will be made between Peadar and the club. He was a big part of the club and deserves recognition for what he did while playing for Creggqn and for his courage for what attempted to do for our community while joining the police.

But the demonization of the club by people who don't know the club or a full understanding of the situation is wrong.

Yes it could and should have been handled better, but that's an easy assessment to make after 15 years hindsight and absolutely no understanding of how the community actually felt after the attach on Peadar
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 02, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
Did any of this friends/ former footballers visit him after his accident or years since out of interest?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 02, 2017, 12:18:06 PM
Yep, but I also know a group of his friends were warned not to visit for a lengthy after the attack time due to security reasons, and due to his condition the instructions from his family was that they were limiting the amount of people visiting him, and that was the position for a number of years. (the amount of operations he went through was shocking)

A lot of friends that Peadar had at the club who were supportive of him have moved (US, UK, Republic and tryone :)) so I wouldn't know who many still keep in touch, and that is something that I'd hold my hands up to say should have been done better.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

I saw a quote on Twitter somewhere:

QuoteU know, if Martin McGuinness had sanctioned the maiming of Peadar Heffron, it wouldn't have been so bad. But Martin hadn't, so it was wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 02, 2017, 02:59:46 PM
Who quoted that SE??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 02, 2017, 02:59:46 PM
Who quoted that SE??

Maybe didn't phrase that right. . .

I quoted it off some dude on twitter!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 02, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

I saw a quote on Twitter somewhere:

QuoteU know, if Martin McGuinness had sanctioned the maiming of Peadar Heffron, it wouldn't have been so bad. But Martin hadn't, so it was wrong.

or maybe you made it up...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on November 02, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
Tommy Conlon a blushirter par excellence hardly a trustworthy source

He had enough apologising to do to Brolly in the past
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on November 02, 2017, 04:09:37 PM
Which he normally has to apologise for when threatened with law
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 02, 2017, 04:09:37 PM
Which he normally has to apologise for when threatened with law

Is that the dose from Monaghan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 02, 2017, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 02, 2017, 04:09:37 PM
Which he normally has to apologise for when threatened with law

Is that the dose from Monaghan?

A dose from monaghan, ffs narrow it down a bit will ya.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 02, 2017, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2017, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 02, 2017, 04:09:37 PM
Which he normally has to apologise for when threatened with law

Is that the dose from Monaghan?

A dose from monaghan, ffs narrow it down a bit will ya.

:D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.

''Compunction- a feeling of guilt or moral scruple that prevents or follows the doing of something bad.'' One individual feeling no guilt after killing a cop or UDR man doesn't equal full party approval for a killing. But don't listen to me I would have had no compunction at all for the same.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.

''Compunction- a feeling of guilt or moral scruple that prevents or follows the doing of something bad.'' One individual feeling no guilt after killing a cop or UDR man doesn't equal full party approval for a killing. But don't listen to me I would have had no compunction at all for the same.

Well they hardly fecking disapproved lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: crookes on November 03, 2017, 12:21:26 AM
Did anyone come across a link to the Gaelic Life article?

Although, I struggle to think how Brolly could stick his boot in Creggan further.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
Quote from: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.

Sinn Fein supporters during the troubles supported all the activities of the IRA. They supported the murder of what they classed as legitimate targets and made excuses for the IRA when they murdered innocent civilians.
I have never heard a Sinn Fein supporter criticise the IRA in any shape or form
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 03, 2017, 03:53:44 AM
And to be honest you won't hear me say a bad word about them or their actions either. They did more for us in the North than anyone can ever imagine. But that doesn't mean that they had the full support of the party. But I'd like to know why Brollys parents and their occupation has anything to do with his article???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 12:54:21 AM


Sinn Fein supporters during the troubles supported all the activities of the IRA. They supported the murder of what they classed as legitimate targets and made excuses for the IRA when they murdered innocent civilians.
I have never heard a Sinn Fein supporter criticise the IRA in any shape or form

You should get out more.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 03, 2017, 08:53:11 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 03, 2017, 03:53:44 AM
And to be honest you won't hear me say a bad word about them or their actions either. They did more for us in the North than anyone can ever imagine. But that doesn't mean that they had the full support of the party. But I'd like to know why Brollys parents and their occupation has anything to do with his article???

I'm not saying I agree with the point completely but I think the point being made is very clear. Brolly has had a strong go at a community over how a man was blown up in a car and subsequent treatment of the man. The point being made is that the IRA blew up plenty of people over the years and Sinn Fein was their political wing so maybe its a bit hypocritical to be trying  to take the high moral ground if you have links with Sinn Fein?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
No such post as "Ulster Education Minister"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.

Someone didn't pay attention in geography class!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.

Someone didn't pay attention in geography class!

Nor History
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Fcuk sake lads 20+ years on and we are still raking over this sort of shit. SF abandoned that position on legitimate atrgets at least 20 years ago, dissidents have been quite rightly denounced as traitors. What came out of the piece on the view last night is that some nationalists will never accept the PSNI and that is a pathetic position to take. We need to get to the situation where PSNI officers can live in the communities they serve. We also need more representation from the catholic community at least up to 45%. Finally Joe Brolly is right, Kickhams need to make their peace with Peadar, for the clubs' sake and for his, if that involves an apology for the actions/inactions of their members, perceived or real then it is imo a price worth paying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on November 03, 2017, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
Quote from: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.

Sinn Fein supporters during the troubles supported all the activities of the IRA. They supported the murder of what they classed as legitimate targets and made excuses for the IRA when they murdered innocent civilians.
I have never heard a Sinn Fein supporter criticise the IRA in any shape or form
I'll sit and criticise them all day, where would you like me to start? Plenty of IRA actions deserve scrutiny.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 03, 2017, 10:43:47 AM

I'll sit and criticise them all day, where would you like me to start? Plenty of IRA actions deserve scrutiny.

Start anywhere you like. It'll make great reading. I love discussion forum for this reason, lists of criticism.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on November 03, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
I would say most clubs in Ulster would have taken the same approach as what Creggan did at that time. Creggan are a great club and have made unbelievable improvements over the last 20 years and the work and fundraising for their club and charity that goes in is unreal. I think they raised 30 or 40k a while back for a hospital? It's a shame that they're getting their good name dragged through the mud since the article came out. I feel very sorry for Peadar Heffron but he put his club in an awful position and he was extremely naive to think it would have been any different.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
So it's all Peadar's fault really? ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 03, 2017, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
So it's all Peadar's fault really? ?

Situation and baggage to police is very different here than Roscommon so has been very difficult for nationalists to embrace a new police service and often not convinced it is new rather than more of the same...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
So it's all Peadar's fault really? ?

There's as much left out here as included making it very difficult to get a decent discussion.

There were many people on the run, there were many cases still open and there were many people the PSNI still wanted to 'get' regardless of the peace process.

There are many things the RUC would never know but might not be uncommon knowledge among republican areas and communities. Even after the change there was still arrests and harassment. There were still political arrests being made (usually near an election) and arrests for historic attacks. There were raids happening for political purposes. Now it went from republican areas being a place of safety and comfort from the prying eyes of the RUC to being a place where there were no secrets. Anyone who joined the PSNi not only left themselves vulnerable to their local community but also to the pressure that can come from the top of a very bitter, angry, murderous, politicised police force.

i have no doubt there was pressure put on new recruits to take advantage of local knowledge .

Things were pretty fecked up all over the place.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on November 03, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
So it's all Peadar's fault really? ?

It's certainly not Creggan's fault.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on November 03, 2017, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 03, 2017, 10:43:47 AM

I'll sit and criticise them all day, where would you like me to start? Plenty of IRA actions deserve scrutiny.

Start anywhere you like. It'll make great reading. I love discussion forum for this reason, lists of criticism.
Well I'll await the Shinner basher first and let him have first choice..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 03, 2017, 01:00:05 PM
Joe has milked this situation for all the attention that he could possibly get out of it.  A totally one sided story, devoid of any counter commentary by creggan club members or community, and has now perpetuated this by a further article. If he wanted attention, then he got it.     Now Creggan Club & community's image is ruined unfairly, GAA's image is tarnished unfairly and as a result, Peadar, in addition to his horrible and unjustifiable injuries has now burned any bridges he may have had witht he community of his raising.   All in all a shocking piece of journalism.

Joe has taken advantage of a man who readily admits his bitterness (understandably) for sensationalist journalism. 

Joe could have used this article as a way of showing how the GAA has moved on from those early days of PSNI and scrapping of R21. Helping Peadar reintegrate to the community and how errors had been made, and the overcoming of wrongs.   Instead, its a muckraking exercise designed to feed the anti-republican/nationalist masses and court controversy.  Joe is the only one who walks away from this tragedy with a smile on his face.

He claims to love the GAA, well he did more damage to it this week than anyone who has gone before.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on November 03, 2017, 01:08:58 PM
Good stuff Spike.  Brolly was , and remains a gobshite. Does nothing to help the situation
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
If people were charged with this attack,Brolly would have no problem accepting a fat legal aid fee and doing his best to get them off the hook
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 03, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
If people were charged with this attack,Brolly would have no problem accepting a fat legal aid fee and doing his best to get them off the hook

Just in case you don't know Tony here is the wikipedia article on Criminal Justice so you have a bit of an idea how the system works . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AQMP on November 03, 2017, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
If people were charged with this attack,Brolly would have no problem accepting a fat legal aid fee and doing his best to get them off the hook

One of your funnier posts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 02:21:23 PM
Ok so no Solicitor/Barrister in history,knowing full well instinctively that he or she was defending people as guilty as hell,tried nevertheless to defend them against natural justice,for a fat fee?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 03, 2017, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 03, 2017, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
Quote from: randomusername on November 02, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Brolly? Was his parents not members of a party that approved of the actual killing of Northern Police Officers not all that long ago?

Bit of a stretch there T. Can't recall ever hearing Sinn Fein approve of a Police Officer's killing...... FYI when making a bold statement like the above ''Was his'' should be replaced by '' Were his''.

Not so sure about that one. For example, on his willingness to kill RUC or UDR men, Gerry Adams said "If my role lay within the IRA and within an armed struggle, I would have no compunction at all." Back in 1983 apparently.

Sinn Fein supporters during the troubles supported all the activities of the IRA. They supported the murder of what they classed as legitimate targets and made excuses for the IRA when they murdered innocent civilians.
I have never heard a Sinn Fein supporter criticise the IRA in any shape or form
I'll sit and criticise them all day, where would you like me to start? Plenty of IRA actions deserve scrutiny.

+1 but I am not a SF supporter.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: crookes on November 03, 2017, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 03, 2017, 01:00:05 PM
Joe has milked this situation for all the attention that he could possibly get out of it.  A totally one sided story, devoid of any counter commentary by creggan club members or community, and has now perpetuated this by a further article. If he wanted attention, then he got it.     Now Creggan Club & community's image is ruined unfairly, GAA's image is tarnished unfairly and as a result, Peadar, in addition to his horrible and unjustifiable injuries has now burned any bridges he may have had witht he community of his raising.   All in all a shocking piece of journalism.

Joe has taken advantage of a man who readily admits his bitterness (understandably) for sensationalist journalism. 

Joe could have used this article as a way of showing how the GAA has moved on from those early days of PSNI and scrapping of R21. Helping Peadar reintegrate to the community and how errors had been made, and the overcoming of wrongs.   Instead, its a muckraking exercise designed to feed the anti-republican/nationalist masses and court controversy.  Joe is the only one who walks away from this tragedy with a smile on his face.

He claims to love the GAA, well he did more damage to it this week than anyone who has gone before.

Fully agree with you spike.

Brolly has no limits it seems http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/03/news/peadar-heffron-joe-brolly-asks-creggan-club-where-is-your-courage--1178516/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on November 03, 2017, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: crookes on November 03, 2017, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 03, 2017, 01:00:05 PM
Joe has milked this situation for all the attention that he could possibly get out of it.  A totally one sided story, devoid of any counter commentary by creggan club members or community, and has now perpetuated this by a further article. If he wanted attention, then he got it.     Now Creggan Club & community's image is ruined unfairly, GAA's image is tarnished unfairly and as a result, Peadar, in addition to his horrible and unjustifiable injuries has now burned any bridges he may have had witht he community of his raising.   All in all a shocking piece of journalism.

Joe has taken advantage of a man who readily admits his bitterness (understandably) for sensationalist journalism. 

Joe could have used this article as a way of showing how the GAA has moved on from those early days of PSNI and scrapping of R21. Helping Peadar reintegrate to the community and how errors had been made, and the overcoming of wrongs.   Instead, its a muckraking exercise designed to feed the anti-republican/nationalist masses and court controversy.  Joe is the only one who walks away from this tragedy with a smile on his face.

He claims to love the GAA, well he did more damage to it this week than anyone who has gone before.

Fully agree with you spike.

Brolly has no limits it seems http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/03/news/peadar-heffron-joe-brolly-asks-creggan-club-where-is-your-courage--1178516/

I would have enjoyed some of Joe's stuff in the past and would have had no real issue with his views on most stuff.

But I think he has gone completely off the mark here. Who is he to demand an apology form the Creggan club?

Other than courting the publicity off the back of this I dont see what he has to gain from this course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 03, 2017, 02:37:23 PM


I would have enjoyed some of Joe's stuff in the past and would have had no real issue with his views on most stuff.

But I think he has gone completely off the mark here. Who is he to demand an apology form the Creggan club?

Other than courting the publicity off the back of this I dont see what he has to gain from this course.

Recognition from mainstream media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.

Yes but he has a GAA base and is tagged as a GAA writer. These articles are human and political, he is branching out. Not unlike Dunphy and George Hook before him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.
Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
I don't see what the big deal is.A lad played for Down in the All Ireland Minor winning team in 1977,joined the RUC a month later thus ending his GAA career,and he fully accepted this as the price to be paid.

Similarly Paedar should have known that he was likely to lose a lot of friends by joining the PSNI and have accepted this.

As long as his GAA membership wasn't cancelled,I don't see any case to answer here.A club reflects the views of its members,and if a substantial number doesn't approve of a member's career choice,that's their right.

Is Brolly trying to force people to have fake sympathy when they don't really feel any?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM

Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.

I'm here discussion what he writes. It would be nice if you could afford to me the same freedom you afford to Brolly. I'm only discussing Brolly himself as a side issue here. It's the article I am discussing with other posters who are also discussing it too. There is nothing wrong with any of that.
Brolly being paid to write does not mean he is allowed to have opinions above the posters here.
If Brolly want's to write and publish in his own name then he is open to discussion.
If I believe he is intentionally writing for a specific response then I am free to say so. Just as Brolly is entitled to write to engineer a specific response.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Why would anyone move because they are being shunned? The less contact I have with the people who live in my vicinity the better.

Jock Stein explained he lost a lot of friends when he became Celtic manager but soon realised they weren't worth having in the first place.Perhaps Peadar Heffron could follow his example
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM

Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.
I didn't say you couldn't, but some of the commentary on here would have you believe Joe shouldn't be doing what he does, and I don't like every thing he says.

I'm here discussion what he writes. It would be nice if you could afford to me the same freedom you afford to Brolly. I'm only discussing Brolly himself as a side issue here. It's the article I am discussing with other posters who are also discussing it too. There is nothing wrong with any of that.
Brolly being paid to write does not mean he is allowed to have opinions above the posters here.
If Brolly want's to write and publish in his own name then he is open to discussion.
If I believe he is intentionally writing for a specific response then I am free to say so. Just as Brolly is entitled to write to engineer a specific response.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 03, 2017, 03:28:48 PM
The picture being painted is that Heffron had to move to North Down due to Creggan GAC shunning him. Are we to believe that the PSNI would allow Officer Heffron and his PSNI officer wife to live the normal life in Creggan had this shunning not happened? I very much doubt it.
Do you not see the problem that very statement presents? Why should this be so?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 03, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Why would anyone move because they are being shunned? The less contact I have with the people who live in my vicinity the better.

Jock Stein explained he lost a lot of friends when he became Celtic manager but soon realised they weren't worth having in the first place.Perhaps Peadar Heffron could follow his example
I'd say the feeling is mutual to be fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 03, 2017, 03:28:48 PM
The picture being painted is that Heffron had to move to North Down due to Creggan GAC shunning him. Are we to believe that the PSNI would allow Officer Heffron and his PSNI officer wife to live the normal life in Creggan had this shunning not happened? I very much doubt it.
Do you not see the problem that very statement presents? Why should this be so?

The relationship with many people in Creggan and the PSNI (from the very top) might be at odds with one another. There could be a conflict of interests.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.
Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.

Again, your speaking when you don't know the facts, and the article is not "unpalatable truth", it's a one sided hack job on a community. A community which included people who supported Peadar during the time in question who I know feel badly let down that a more balanced picture wasn't presented, and I for one would appreciate an apology from Peadar and Joe about not representing the facts truthfully.

Joe Brolly demanding courage from Creggan about issuing an apology.... hopefully in next weeks newspaper he can issue an apology on behalf of Kevin Lynches, for all the pain that he caused....... sorry Joe has already discussed how proud he was to be a friend of Kevin.....f**king hypocrite

Ironically, what this article has achieved is to burn / weaken the bridges between Peadar and the people who actually supported him and his family before, during and after the attack.  We are an extremely tight community, and all that this has done is to tighten the community together, both people who supported Peadar and people who didn't, because we feel the god name of Creggan is under attack.

The other f**king irony that people don't get, is that Peadar was related to about half of the club committee at the time. I mean uncles, cousins etc on the committee. So he is pissed off at his own family. If this was the case, surely a better approach would have been to talk to his family and express his displeasure about the club and have theme approach the club about a reconciliation. Nope, not a word. Instead lets blindside the community on the front page of national papers.  This article has made a reconciliation harder.

I know for a fact that his parents home was inundated with visitors after the attack with people expressing their shock and dismay at what happened. Unfortunately Peadar moved to Bangor after the attack and the close bonds of living in a community was broken. Maybe this alienation of not living within the community is an added factor, but he was definitely not ostracised by the whole community.

IF the club does come out with a statement, which I suspect they will do now,  I for one will be disappointed if the apology doesn't highlight the deep fear and distrust of the PSNI, due to years of systematic harassment and threats that we experienced at the hand of the RUC/ Army, to provide a background to the environment at the time. I will be equally disappointed if the statement doesn't challenge the accuracy of article with the fact that people did speak out in support of Peadar, and that he attended club dinner dances and played soccer on the 4 G for years after he came out.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Fcuk sake lads 20+ years on and we are still raking over this sort of shit. SF abandoned that position on legitimate atrgets at least 20 years ago, dissidents have been quite rightly denounced as traitors. What came out of the piece on the view last night is that some nationalists will never accept the PSNI and that is a pathetic position to take. We need to get to the situation where PSNI officers can live in the communities they serve. We also need more representation from the catholic community at least up to 45%. Finally Joe Brolly is right, Kickhams need to make their peace with Peadar, for the clubs' sake and for his, if that involves an apology for the actions/inactions of their members, perceived or real then it is imo a price worth paying.

Is it really? Try telling that to the relatives of Loughinisland victims, among many others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 03, 2017, 03:28:48 PM
The picture being painted is that Heffron had to move to North Down due to Creggan GAC shunning him. Are we to believe that the PSNI would allow Officer Heffron and his PSNI officer wife to live the normal life in Creggan had this shunning not happened? I very much doubt it.

More due to the fact that their was a dissent faction / cell in operation in the area. The two fusiliers who were killed in Antrim barracks were killed by this local faction.

So I'd say this was more of the background to the move rather than the non accurate fact of the entire community shunning him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Fcuk sake lads 20+ years on and we are still raking over this sort of shit. SF abandoned that position on legitimate atrgets at least 20 years ago, dissidents have been quite rightly denounced as traitors. What came out of the piece on the view last night is that some nationalists will never accept the PSNI and that is a pathetic position to take. We need to get to the situation where PSNI officers can live in the communities they serve. We also need more representation from the catholic community at least up to 45%. Finally Joe Brolly is right, Kickhams need to make their peace with Peadar, for the clubs' sake and for his, if that involves an apology for the actions/inactions of their members, perceived or real then it is imo a price worth paying.

Is it really? Try telling that to the relatives of Loughinisland victims, among many others.

Another irony, the people who were against Peadar joining the police were of the opinion that the PSNI couldn't be trusted, that they were an extension of the RUC / Special Branch.

Have  people forgot that the PSNI (Special Branch) actually obstructed the investigation into the attack on Peadar. Additionally the PSNI failed to warn him of a pending attack on a Catholic policeman in the area prior to the attack. (Other Catholic officers in the area were informed the night before that an attack on a local Catholic policeman / woman was imminent , but Peadar wasn't informed)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Fcuk sake lads 20+ years on and we are still raking over this sort of shit. SF abandoned that position on legitimate atrgets at least 20 years ago, dissidents have been quite rightly denounced as traitors. What came out of the piece on the view last night is that some nationalists will never accept the PSNI and that is a pathetic position to take. We need to get to the situation where PSNI officers can live in the communities they serve. We also need more representation from the catholic community at least up to 45%. Finally Joe Brolly is right, Kickhams need to make their peace with Peadar, for the clubs' sake and for his, if that involves an apology for the actions/inactions of their members, perceived or real then it is imo a price worth paying.

Is it really? Try telling that to the relatives of Loughinisland victims, among many others.

Another irony, the people who were against Peadar joining the police were of the opinion that the PSNI couldn't be trusted, that they were an extension of the RUC / Special Branch.

Have  people forgot that the PSNI (Special Branch) actually obstructed the investigation into the attack on Peadar. Additionally the PSNI failed to warn him of a pending attack on a Catholic policeman in the area prior to the attack. (Other Catholic officers in the area were informed the night before that an attack on a local Catholic policeman / woman was imminent , but Peadar wasn't informed)

But hey, it's all Creggan GAC fault
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 03, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.
Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.

Again, your speaking when you don't know the facts, and the article is not "unpalatable truth", it's a one sided hack job on a community. A community which included people who supported Peadar during the time in question who I know feel badly let down that a more balanced picture wasn't presented, and I for one would appreciate an apology from Peadar and Joe about not representing the facts truthfully.

Joe Brolly demanding courage from Creggan about issuing an apology.... hopefully in next weeks newspaper he can issue an apology on behalf of Kevin Lynches, for all the pain that he caused....... sorry Joe has already discussed how proud he was to be a friend of Kevin.....f**king hypocrite

Ironically, what this article has achieved is to burn / weaken the bridges between Peadar and the people who actually supported him and his family before, during and after the attack.  We are an extremely tight community, and all that this has done is to tighten the community together, both people who supported Peadar and people who didn't, because we feel the god name of Creggan is under attack.

The other f**king irony that people don't get, is that Peadar was related to about half of the club committee at the time. I mean uncles, cousins etc on the committee. So he is pissed off at his own family. If this was the case, surely a better approach would have been to talk to his family and express his displeasure about the club and have theme approach the club about a reconciliation. Nope, not a word. Instead lets blindside the community on the front page of national papers.  This article has made a reconciliation harder.

I know for a fact that his parents home was inundated with visitors after the attack with people expressing their shock and dismay at what happened. Unfortunately Peadar moved to Bangor after the attack and the close bonds of living in a community was broken. Maybe this alienation of not living within the community is an added factor, but he was definitely not ostracised by the whole community.

IF the club does come out with a statement, which I suspect they will do now,  I for one will be disappointed if the apology doesn't highlight the deep fear and distrust of the PSNI, due to years of systematic harassment and threats that we experienced at the hand of the RUC/ Army, to provide a background to the environment at the time. I will be equally disappointed if the statement doesn't challenge the accuracy of article with the fact that people did speak out in support of Peadar, and that he attended club dinner dances and played soccer on the 4 G for years after he came out.


Well said.   I can get that Peadar isn't a happy man at the moment, I can get that he feels ostracised and alone in North Down. I can get that his injuries and daily struggles can leave a person bitter and have a rage.  What happened to the man is personally unthinkable and most likely id be bitter too if it happened to me but I think Peadar letting Joe Brolly (amateur journalist) use him for a sensationalist unbalanced and factually incorrect story was completely the wrong move and has now completely tarnished the good name of Creggan in outsiders minds. Not just for nationalist / republican tendencies, but their good personal names and how they shunned one of their own when it was plainly not the truth.   Maybe he's lashing out and Brolly was a vehicle for this but surely a balanced piece of writing and reconciliation piece was the way to go. Now he is more alone than ever with no one but a pile of internet strangers patting him on the back.   

Thanks to Joe

I don't agree with scholarships etc in his name - sounds a faux gesture, but perhaps for the sake of the man's personal state of mind some unification with the club and community could be done. I'm sure there are a lot of people very angry about the article from creggan, just like Peadar is, but if anything good is to come out of Joe's lazy journalism, perhaps its a community taking back one their own, despite theirs and his feelings, and rehabilitate a man back into the parish. Give him some hope as he looks to be in a bad place mentally.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on November 03, 2017, 05:27:55 PM
If I was a member of Creggan club I definitely wouldn't want anything to do with Peadar Heffron now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 03, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 03, 2017, 12:54:21 AM


Sinn Fein supporters during the troubles supported all the activities of the IRA. They supported the murder of what they classed as legitimate targets and made excuses for the IRA when they murdered innocent civilians.
I have never heard a Sinn Fein supporter criticise the IRA in any shape or form

You should get out more.



Been out enough to know what I said is right ! Been listening to it long enough
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 03, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 03, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 03, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Joe doesn't hanker for recognition. I agree with some of his articles, completely disagree with others, but each time, I'm sure its Joes own opinion. He does get carried away, but it isn't a deliberate tactic in the hope of gaining any extra kudos - it's how he feels at that time.
Exactly and unlike some of us on here Joe actually gets paid to write pieces for the various papers and what is wrong with that? So you don't like what he has written, that's not his fault, you are jealous that he is making a decent living from his various enterprises, again not his problem. Joe whatever your opinion of him did not turn his back on a friend, he gave him his kidney. The thing about a free society is that you should be able to express an opinion, take a job that you like, and make a life for you and your family with out been shunned, ridiculed, ostracised or blown up. There is an unpalatable truth in this story and again it is not Joe's fault. There is and has always been an ambivalence in Ireland on all sides to violence when it suits.

Again, your speaking when you don't know the facts, and the article is not "unpalatable truth", it's a one sided hack job on a community. A community which included people who supported Peadar during the time in question who I know feel badly let down that a more balanced picture wasn't presented, and I for one would appreciate an apology from Peadar and Joe about not representing the facts truthfully.

Joe Brolly demanding courage from Creggan about issuing an apology.... hopefully in next weeks newspaper he can issue an apology on behalf of Kevin Lynches, for all the pain that he caused....... sorry Joe has already discussed how proud he was to be a friend of Kevin.....f**king hypocrite

Ironically, what this article has achieved is to burn / weaken the bridges between Peadar and the people who actually supported him and his family before, during and after the attack.  We are an extremely tight community, and all that this has done is to tighten the community together, both people who supported Peadar and people who didn't, because we feel the god name of Creggan is under attack.

The other f**king irony that people don't get, is that Peadar was related to about half of the club committee at the time. I mean uncles, cousins etc on the committee. So he is pissed off at his own family. If this was the case, surely a better approach would have been to talk to his family and express his displeasure about the club and have theme approach the club about a reconciliation. Nope, not a word. Instead lets blindside the community on the front page of national papers.  This article has made a reconciliation harder.

I know for a fact that his parents home was inundated with visitors after the attack with people expressing their shock and dismay at what happened. Unfortunately Peadar moved to Bangor after the attack and the close bonds of living in a community was broken. Maybe this alienation of not living within the community is an added factor, but he was definitely not ostracised by the whole community.

IF the club does come out with a statement, which I suspect they will do now,  I for one will be disappointed if the apology doesn't highlight the deep fear and distrust of the PSNI, due to years of systematic harassment and threats that we experienced at the hand of the RUC/ Army, to provide a background to the environment at the time. I will be equally disappointed if the statement doesn't challenge the accuracy of article with the fact that people did speak out in support of Peadar, and that he attended club dinner dances and played soccer on the 4 G for years after he came out.


Well said.   I can get that Peadar isn't a happy man at the moment, I can get that he feels ostracised and alone in North Down. I can get that his injuries and daily struggles can leave a person bitter and have a rage.  What happened to the man is personally unthinkable and most likely id be bitter too if it happened to me but I think Peadar letting Joe Brolly (amateur journalist) use him for a sensationalist unbalanced and factually incorrect story was completely the wrong move and has now completely tarnished the good name of Creggan in outsiders minds. Not just for nationalist / republican tendencies, but their good personal names and how they shunned one of their own when it was plainly not the truth.   Maybe he's lashing out and Brolly was a vehicle for this but surely a balanced piece of writing and reconciliation piece was the way to go. Now he is more alone than ever with no one but a pile of internet strangers patting him on the back.   

Thanks to Joe

I don't agree with scholarships etc in his name - sounds a faux gesture, but perhaps for the sake of the man's personal state of mind some unification with the club and community could be done. I'm sure there are a lot of people very angry about the article from creggan, just like Peadar is, but if anything good is to come out of Joe's lazy journalism, perhaps its a community taking back one their own, despite theirs and his feelings, and rehabilitate a man back into the parish. Give him some hope as he looks to be in a bad place mentally.

I agree with everything you have said, and I really wish for Peadar, who I consider a friend, to be reconciled to the community.

But Joe's last pierce is beyond the pale; using the fllwoing to paint the character of the community;
treachery
cowardice
rotten to the core
How good were these men
stand in the pub like a sheep
where is your courage? Where is your honour?"

Sounds like Joe wanted a quicker response to justify his article and is now trying to strong arm - shame Creggan into a response.

If he was genuinely interested in Peadar's interests, surely he knows he has gone too far
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 03, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
This letter published in today's Irish News shows the mentality that is being criticised:

(https://i.imgur.com/LHSPtzU.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: crookes on November 03, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 03, 2017, 07:42:25 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 03, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
This letter published in today's Irish News shows the mentality that is being criticised:

(https://i.imgur.com/LHSPtzU.jpg)
No, it doesn't. The supposed mentality of the entire Creggan community is being criticised.

I sort of thought that Brolly was going to go the direction of saying it was a problem with the entire GAA mentality towards the PSNI a few days after the initial Independent article, but he seems to have solely focused his efforts into blackening the creggan club and community name.

If what your saying is right kickham csc, lines like this from the IN today "but their is something rotten at the core" when talking about the creggan club, will surely leave Brolly owing an apology to them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nailer on November 03, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
Did Mr Heffron not transfer to the St Paul's club in Hollywood and play for them prior to being targeted?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Well is it ok to join the police now cause SINN FEIN SAYS SO?? but it wasnt 10-15yrs ago cause Sinn Fein told people not to join>

As for what Brolly said, i havent read his latest post on Creggan, but they should have issued a statement last week after this came out instead of saying nothing.

Reality is we all are to ready to blame unionists, uda/uvf etc for all the ills and troubles in the north, but the same mentality exists within our own community.
bullying by political parties, shadowy groups in the background to intimidate to get their way.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 03, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Well is it ok to join the police now cause SINN FEIN SAYS SO?? but it wasnt 10-15yrs ago cause Sinn Fein told people not to join>

As for what Brolly said, i havent read his latest post on Creggan, but they should have issued a statement last week after this came out instead of saying nothing.

Reality is we all are to ready to blame unionists, uda/uvf etc for all the ills and troubles in the north, but the same mentality exists within our own community.
bullying by political parties, shadowy groups in the background to intimidate to get their way.

Bovine dung.  Id guarantee not one Political party or shadowy
Group had anything to do with the initial reactions within that club. 

History, politics and sectarianism towards nationalists aside,  anecdotely i can say that 95% of police officers i have met from UK , Ireland, Europe, australasia, asia, the americas and africa have all been complete and utter ar@÷holes. A lot of unionist people cant have them in their areas.    To be politically correct, ill suggest theyre trained that way rather than just that way by nature
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
so who did the 4 characters who called in at training 1 night represent?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 03, 2017, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
so who did the 4 characters who called in at training 1 night represent?

Even Peadar didnt say who they were. Every club has a mixture of aupporters, not to know this displays ignorance of gaa clubs
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on November 03, 2017, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 03, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Well is it ok to join the police now cause SINN FEIN SAYS SO?? but it wasnt 10-15yrs ago cause Sinn Fein told people not to join>

As for what Brolly said, i havent read his latest post on Creggan, but they should have issued a statement last week after this came out instead of saying nothing.

Reality is we all are to ready to blame unionists, uda/uvf etc for all the ills and troubles in the north, but the same mentality exists within our own community.
bullying by political parties, shadowy groups in the background to intimidate to get their way.

Bovine dung.  Id guarantee not one Political party or shadowy
Group had anything to do with the initial reactions within that club. 

History, politics and sectarianism towards nationalists aside,  anecdotely i can say that 95% of police officers i have met from UK , Ireland, Europe, australasia, asia, the americas and africa have all been complete and utter ar@÷holes.    To be politically correct, ill suggest theyre trained that way rather than just that way by nature
Most people would say the same thing about people from Antrim "anecdotally"
For f**k sake if it wasn't for a dodgy rope bridge and a few rocks left by Find mccool we could leave the kip to its inbreds
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
What an intelligent contribution to the discussion.... >:(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 04, 2017, 12:37:36 AM
Quote from: Spike on November 03, 2017, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
so who did the 4 characters who called in at training 1 night represent?

Even Peadar didnt say who they were. Every club has a mixture of aupporters, not to know this displays ignorance of gaa clubs

The 4 people were not from within the club
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 04, 2017, 12:58:34 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Well is it ok to join the police now cause SINN FEIN SAYS SO?? but it wasnt 10-15yrs ago cause Sinn Fein told people not to join>

As for what Brolly said, i havent read his latest post on Creggan, but they should have issued a statement last week after this came out instead of saying nothing.

Reality is we all are to ready to blame unionists, uda/uvf etc for all the ills and troubles in the north, but the same mentality exists within our own community.
bullying by political parties, shadowy groups in the background to intimidate to get their way.

No we shouldn't have. 

Brolly is playing games to benefit his profile. As  I've said before, Creggan has always been a private in-house focused community club. If Brolly was really interested in Peadar's interests, all he had to do was reach out to Creggan, lines of communication would have been easily opened, since, wait for it, HIS F"£king FAMILY ARE IN THE CLUB COMMITTEE. Holy SHIT how hard would be to resolve this issue by reaching out via your family.

Brolly is pushing his agenda, trying to blacken Creggan's name, and will not help Peadar in any way.

Apologise for Kevin lynch Brolly before questioning another club.

In my mind, all the damage is done. Creggan should sit tight, let the storm blow over, and then get back o doing wat Creggan does best; raising money of charity, supporting local families in need, providing a service to the youth of the community, creating a culture outlet, and striving for sporting excellence.

And leaving the political games to political hacks like Brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on November 04, 2017, 07:15:25 AM
The reaction to Peader joining the cops was an obvious one and one that would have happened in any club in the North at the time.

The problem with the article is it links the emotional aspect of his attack to the "shunning" by his club mates which we are hearing wasn't as complete or widespread as he suggested.

These are two totally different incidents, Joe brolly is attacking Creggan with the logic of one and the emotion of the other and that isn't fair is a known false argument called Affirming The Consequent. Does anyone believe Peader wouldn't have been attacked had he stayed at home playing football, which he wouldn't have been let do by the PSNI anyway.

I imagine there was a few clubs in the country that reacted to members joining the cops in similar ways and since the attack on Paeder is not linked to the initial local reaction I expect Joe to be traveling the country releasing statements regarding each of them. I wonder did anyone from his own parish have to move away when they joined the peelers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 04, 2017, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Well is it ok to join the police now cause SINN FEIN SAYS SO?? but it wasnt 10-15yrs ago cause Sinn Fein told people not to join>

As for what Brolly said, i havent read his latest post on Creggan, but they should have issued a statement last week after this came out instead of saying nothing.

Reality is we all are to ready to blame unionists, uda/uvf etc for all the ills and troubles in the north, but the same mentality exists within our own community.
bullying by political parties, shadowy groups in the background to intimidate to get their way.

Your first point is not true. The change in policy by SF came from the ground. As the ceasefire, decommissioning, the disbandment of the IRA happened it left a void in security in many communities. The RUC had never policed some areas, in fact they went out of their way to paint them as crime hotspots while not policing them.

During this time there was a rise in anti-social activities in my area. It was mostly happening outside my mother's house. Never once did she phone the PSNI. For 2 reasons, she had no faith that they would act and years of distrust made it a big step to make that call. She would never in her life had a reason to call the RUC. I've no doubt the PSNI knew what was happening but they never acted as it suited them to have this area seen as lawless. Eventually my father did act, slapped the head of a few lads. It was clear there was no protection against the rise in petty crime. But that could not continue. Community policing was needed. Politicians were using the void and the statistics to attack good areas and good people.
Massive pressure was put on SF to act, somehow. They were left with three options. Either support policing , support vigilantes or leave communities unprotected.

Even facing this reality wasn't enough for many in SF. The decision led to another split in the party. I think an honest look at that history shows how delicate a matter policing was.


I agree about that we all share some blame, but I also think we fell into some grander design.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Don Johnson on November 04, 2017, 01:54:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyqvgsXcAAtPCF.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
I see Justin Mc Nulty has jumped onto the bandwagon also to raise his profile and further his political career😡
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomusername on November 04, 2017, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
I see Justin Mc Nulty has jumped onto the bandwagon also to raise his profile and further his political career😡

Not sure that's fair, he was very vocal about the mooted funding cuts to that Ulster Council coaching scheme.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
I see Justin Mc Nulty has jumped onto the bandwagon also to raise his profile and further his political career😡


Is he not entitled as an elected MLA to voice his views like any other politician?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
He is entitled to air his views,just like Brolly,but when these are wrong and indeed dangerous,they need to be called out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 04, 2017, 05:34:40 PM
I'd say this whole affair is pretty standard Joe Brolly. Pick a target, publicly criticise, humiliate, run down or embarrass said target. Forcefully suggest he is doing it for the good of the game, grass roots, community, or some other cause. Leave a load of shit in his wake for others to deal with. Move on to a new target. Repeat. All to the benefit of only one agenda - Joe's own need for notoriety, fame, attention or whatever psychological need that he needs fulfilled.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
whxt did he say that was wrong and dangerous?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on November 04, 2017, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 04, 2017, 05:34:40 PM
I'd say this whole affair is pretty standard Joe Brolly. Pick a target, publicly criticise, humiliate, run down and embarrass said target. Forcefully suggest he is doing it for the good of the game, grass roots, community, or some other cause. Leave a load of shit in his wake for others to deal with. Move on to a new target. Repeat. All to the benefit of only one agenda - Joe's own need for notoriety, fame, attention or whatever psychological need that he needs fulfilled.

In reverse order how many is he on for the year?

Creggan
Gooch Cooper
Mickey Harte
Aidan O'Shea

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 04, 2017, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 04, 2017, 05:34:40 PM
I'd say this whole affair is pretty standard Joe Brolly. Pick a target, publicly criticise, humiliate, run down and embarrass said target. Forcefully suggest he is doing it for the good of the game, grass roots, community, or some other cause. Leave a load of shit in his wake for others to deal with. Move on to a new target. Repeat. All to the benefit of only one agenda - Joe's own need for notoriety, fame, attention or whatever psychological need that he needs fulfilled.

In reverse order how many is he on for the year?

Creggan
Gooch Cooper
Mickey Harte
Aidan O'Shea

Enda McNulty (maybe that was last year)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 04, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
whxt did he say that was wrong and dangerous?

Well for a start Peadar wasn't ostracised by the community. There were sections of the community who were vocal in support of Peadar.

Peadar continued to collect loto money for the club right up to the attack. Peadar attended club dinner dances. Right up to the attack Peadar played soccer on the clubs 4G with ex team mates.

Dangerous, how about reports of threats posted on loyalist websites of burning the club down, so the club is now a target.

I hope to god for Joe's sake that nobody from Creggan gets hurt due to his inaccurate article. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if that was the case, I wonder if it would even p***k Joe's conscience if it did happen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 04, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
whxt did he say that was wrong and dangerous?

Well for a start Peadar wasn't ostracised by the community. There were sections of the community who were vocal in support of Peadar.

Peadar continued to collect loto money for the club right up to the attack. Peadar attended club dinner dances. Right up to the attack Peadar played soccer on the clubs 4G with ex team mates.

Dangerous, how about reports of threats posted on loyalist websites of burning the club down, so the club is now a target.

I hope to god for Joe's sake that nobody from Creggan gets hurt due to his inaccurate article. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if that was the case, I wonder if it would even p***k Joe's conscience if it did happen.

Sorry was referring to Fearon's claim that Justin McNulty's views were wrong and dangerous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: currychip on November 04, 2017, 07:03:05 PM
How many of them came to see how he was after the bomb attack?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TabClear on November 04, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 04, 2017, 05:34:40 PM
I'd say this whole affair is pretty standard Joe Brolly. Pick a target, publicly criticise, humiliate, run down or embarrass said target. Forcefully suggest he is doing it for the good of the game, grass roots, community, or some other cause. Leave a load of shit in his wake for others to deal with. Move on to a new target. Repeat. All to the benefit of only one agenda - Joe's own need for notoriety, fame, attention or whatever psychological need that he needs fulfilled.

Agree with all of the above.  Brolly is a self serving, vindictive bollix. He's an intelligent man who is only interested in creating controversy and furthering his own agenda and no doubt his bank balance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Brolly and Mc Nulty are wrong.The GAA has no case to answer here.Many a Gael has fallen out with their clubs (by that I mean a majority of its members) over a whole range of issues.As long as the association or club didn't discriminate or ostracise him officially then they have no case to answer.

Brolly and Mc Nulty's rantings are dangerous, many unionists and All loyalists have regarded the GAA as the IRA at play for decades.They do not need further excuses to attack GAA members
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 04, 2017, 10:19:28 PM
I agree, T. Especially the second bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2017, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?
Good spake. Definitely hasn't helped.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 05, 2017, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.

such as?....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 05, 2017, 08:28:32 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Brolly and Mc Nulty are wrong.The GAA has no case to answer here.Many a Gael has fallen out with their clubs (by that I mean a majority of its members) over a whole range of issues.As long as the association or club didn't discriminate or ostracise him officially then they have no case to answer.

Brolly and Mc Nulty's rantings are dangerous, many unionists and All loyalists have regarded the GAA as the IRA at play for decades.They do not need further excuses to attack GAA members

What has that prat McNulty said?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 05, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Also clubs looking funding, particularly creggan, may struggle with all this.

Kickham csc has provided valuable insight here. Shows you there are two sides to every story and brolly continually lowers himself to get attention.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?

Loyalists will attack's any GAA club at any time be it Creggan or anywhere else. No GAA club is safe at any time though we just have to get on with things. Nothing deluded about that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on November 05, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?

Loyalists will attack's any GAA club at any time be it Creggan or anywhere else. No GAA club is safe at any time though we just have to get on with things. Nothing deluded about that.

Naive at worst, foolish at best. This non balanced reporting will only help fuel those types thinking, it certainly will have helped reinforce their philosophies.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 05, 2017, 12:01:12 PM
Brolly sets the news/sports agenda for the week and now a few other opportunists have rowed in with their tuppence worth to try and make political capital out of it. This was an incident that happened over 7 years ago and the climate has changed since then. This doesn't appear to be a black and white issue as Brolly and others are trying to portray it. A GAA club can't be held reposnsible for individual actions of their members, any club will have a diverse range of opinions so I think its a bit unfair on the Creggan club to take this on the chin. Would many otehr clubs have had a dissimilar reaction. I can understand the anger of Heffron though and it's a sad situation when he felt the betrayal of his own people. It was a powerful interview and definitely made you think of how you might have reacted in the same situation or would you have just sat it out. I'd say there plenty of guilty consciences after reading that interview so if there is any positive to take out of the interview maybe it is just that.     
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 05, 2017, 12:07:24 PM
Oisin Mc Conville also jumping on the bandwagon in Sunday Life today
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 05, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?

Loyalists will attack's any GAA club at any time be it Creggan or anywhere else. No GAA club is safe at any time though we just have to get on with things. Nothing deluded about that.

Naive at worst, foolish at best. This non balanced reporting will only help fuel those types thinking, it certainly will have helped reinforce their philosophies.

You obviously haven't grown up through the troubles
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on November 05, 2017, 12:22:31 PM
Suzanne Breen also made the very valid point,that this controversy,fuelled principally by Brolly,will deter many Catholics from even considering joining the PSNI in the future.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 05, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?

Loyalists will attack's any GAA club at any time be it Creggan or anywhere else. No GAA club is safe at any time though we just have to get on with things. Nothing deluded about that.

Naive at worst, foolish at best. This non balanced reporting will only help fuel those types thinking, it certainly will have helped reinforce their philosophies.

You obviously haven't grown up through the troubles
And you're still trying to pretend life in 2017 is the same as 1977, 87 or even 97. Hardstation correctly pulled you on this shite earlier. If you have the stats to suggest that the number of attacks on GAA clubs is the same now as 20 years ago feel free to post them on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 05, 2017, 01:20:44 PM
There are a couple of areas - ahoghill springs to mind - where the areas they are in mean they are under a wee bit of a threat at all times. However , thankfully, this is in the minority these days. Moy had an attack the other year too? Generally there aren't particularly many though. It really is nothing like what it used to be where you had the likes of what happened in bellaghy to sean brown happening.

The threat to gaa clubs is really no greater than the threat to orange halls in mainly nationalist areas. It is idiots without much backing who do these things on either side.

The psni are not perfect but are better. Having the parades commission make them stop the banned orange parades go down roads has "normalised" them a bit due to making them unpopular on "the other side" too. Still a bit to go but there is not the stigma there once was. Forgetting one individual club you have to remember it is not that long ago police up here were not allowed to play gaa - by the gaa.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 05, 2017, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 05, 2017, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 04, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 04, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Gross exaggeration there. If  loyalists want to attack GAA members they don't need a speech from Brolly or McNulty to encourage them.
Nonsense. The loose and unfounded claim that Mr Heffron would be nearly certain that people he played with passed on his details to others gives loyalists all the reason they need to connect Creggan GAC with dissident republicanism. That is a dangerous thing to say.

Loyalists have long regarded GAA members as legimste targets and have carried out attacks and even murder eg Sean Brown from Bellaghey. They don't need quotes from any newspaper article in 2017 to justify another one. They would do it anyway
You are deluded. Every now and again, there are tit for tat attacks on GAA clubs & Orange Halls. By your logic, one has no effect on the other. While loyalism has a hatred for GAA, which has been shown in many forms over the  years, during more peaceful times  we have largely fallen off their radar. Splashing this horseshit across the front pages of our media paints the picture of GAA - IRA at play. A tag that our association had lost, by and large. You tell me, Creggan Kickhams GAC is as safe tonight as it was this time last week?

Loyalists will attack's any GAA club at any time be it Creggan or anywhere else. No GAA club is safe at any time though we just have to get on with things. Nothing deluded about that.

Naive at worst, foolish at best. This non balanced reporting will only help fuel those types thinking, it certainly will have helped reinforce their philosophies.

You obviously haven't grown up through the troubles
And you're still trying to pretend life in 2017 is the same as 1977, 87 or even 97. Hardstation correctly pulled you on this shite earlier. If you have the stats to suggest that the number of attacks on GAA clubs is the same now as 20 years ago feel free to post them on here.

You haven't much faith in The station's debating abilities when you feel you have to interject on his behalf. Away and help the Mrs plan tomorrow's lessons  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on November 05, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)

Joe the crusader. Our hero.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 05, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
I wonder can Joe interview the Mentioned PSNI GAA team trainer Mr Tucker and ask why he mentally tortured the family's of the young men who where shot dead in the Clonoe CHAPEL car park in 1992 one of them a playing member of my own club.... 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on November 05, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 05, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)

Joe the crusader. Our hero.

He'd sicken your shite
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 06, 2017, 07:39:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 05, 2017, 01:20:44 PM
There are a couple of areas - ahoghill springs to mind - where the areas they are in mean they are under a wee bit of a threat at all times. However , thankfully, this is in the minority these days. Moy had an attack the other year too? Generally there aren't particularly many though. It really is nothing like what it used to be where you had the likes of what happened in bellaghy to sean brown happening.

The threat to gaa clubs is really no greater than the threat to orange halls in mainly nationalist areas. It is idiots without much backing who do these things on either side.

The psni are not perfect but are better. Having the parades commission make them stop the banned orange parades go down roads has "normalised" them a bit due to making them unpopular on "the other side" too. Still a bit to go but there is not the stigma there once was. Forgetting one individual club you have to remember it is not that long ago police up here were not allowed to play gaa - by the gaa.

Ahoghil, Portglenone, Tir Na nOg, Creggan, Antrim, Aldrgrove, Aghagallan, Ballymena, St Endas are clubs that are exposed to loyalist violence.

We have had nails spread on the football field,  and more recently, advertising banners stolen that were put on the bomb fire in Randalstown on 12th night.

Also Sean Brown's body was dumped in our area, in an area that would indicate local (and police involvement)

So for Creggan, the threat of violence is real and apparently has increase due to last weeks BS
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: give her dixie on November 06, 2017, 09:23:43 AM
Officers 'should be disciplined' over Heffron attack failings

Police Ombudsman says there was a failure to help detectives investigating the blast

Fri, Dec 18, 2015,
 
Four Police Service of Northern Ireland police intelligence officers should be disciplined for their failure to pass on information about a bomb attack on a colleague, a watchdog has recommended.

Constable Peadar Heffron suffered serious injuries when the undercar booby trap device was detonated near Randalstown in Co Antrim five years ago.

Even though there was insufficient evidence to support an allegation that the attack could have been prevented, Police Ombudsman Dr Michael Maguire said there was a failure to help detectives investigating the blast.

Four officers, two detective superintendents and two detective sergeants, from the PSNI's C3 unit should be disciplined, the Ombudsman said.

"I acknowledge that the information the detectives sought did not lead to significant new evidence," Dr Maguire said.

"Despite this, the delay in waiting to asses this information lost momentum for the investigation.

"Police policy requires that investigators are provided with intelligence at the earliest opportunity.

"They are the people best placed to develop lines of enquiry that may translate into evidence, which could otherwise be lost by delay.

"This case demonstrates clear shortcoming in this regard."

Constable Heffron, a catholic and fluent Irish speaker, lost a leg as a result of the dissident republican explosion and now uses a wheelchair.

He had been on his way to work at Woodbourne police station in west Belfast when the bomb exploded about a mile from his home on Milltown Road in Randalstown on January 8th, 2010.

The ombudsman's investigation was launched after a complaint from a man who claimed police had been warned of the likelihood of an attack at "Milltown" several weeks earlier.

Investigators spoke with the informant, who said he had receive a text message about the impending attack and passed it to police.

He did not save the texts and did not have any other notes or records from the time, it was noted.

But, to the best of his memory, the informant claimed his message read: "Attack on police officers- Milltown — urgent," the Ombudsman's office revealed.

Although he believed the "Milltown" mentioned in the original text was in west Belfast, he did not specify this to police.

The informant alleged that following the attack on Constable Heffron, police revealed to him they had "missed out on Randalstown" when checking areas known as Milltown.

But the Police Ombudsman investigators also spoke to the police officer responsible for handling the intelligence.
He said he had recorded the content of the text verbatim before deleting it.

The officer said the text specified Milltown in Andersonstown, west Belfast, and that he had issued a warning to all police in the area.
He rejected claims police had said they "missed out on Randalstown".

Instead, the officer claimed it was the informant who had made contact to apologise for incorrectly interpreting "Milltown" as the area in west Belfast.

Having considered other documentation the ombudsman concluded that on the balance of probabilities, police were told the impending attack was to be in Belfast, not Randalstown.

But during the course of their investigation, ombudsman staff became concerned that detectives were not getting the help they needed from PSNI's C3 branch which has primary responsibility for receiving and managing intelligence.

A number of senior police officers within the unit, including several superintendents were interviewed.

Two officers said they had supplied information to the detectives within weeks of the attack while another said he believed information had been provided.

Dr Maguire said C3 has been unable to provide any documentation or other evidence to confirm that detectives received the information they had been requesting.

He concluded that a delay of more than two years in providing detectives with information, and to then make it available a matter of weeks after hearing of his involvement, was not acceptable.

Anne Connolly, chair of the Northern Ireland Policing Board, which oversees the PSNI, described the report as "disturbing reading".
She said: "There are serious questions arising from the conclusions, and specifically in relation to the arrangements for the sharing of intelligence, which the board will want to discuss with the chief constable.

"The wider public will find it hard to understand the failings in this case and the board will be seeking assurance from the chief constable that actions have been taken to address all the shortcomings identified."

Chief constable George Hamilton and his deputy Drew Harris are expected to be questioned about the ombudsman's findings at a specially convened Policing Board meeting next week.

PSNI deputy chief Constable Drew Harris said the report had been given careful and serious consideration.

He said: "I have consulted with colleagues in Crime Operations Department which is responsible for the management of intelligence and conducting investigations into serious crime.

"I welcome the ombudsman's conclusion that a complaint which alleged police had been provided with information which, if acted upon, could have prevented the attack on constable Heffron, is not substantiated.

"In relation to an additional conclusion that officers in Intelligence Branch did not supply investigating detectives from Serious Crime Branch with the information they sought, the Police Service view is that this line of enquiry was pursued and belatedly closed down but that it was not directly related to the attempted murder of constable Heffron.

"However, the Police Service is receptive to any learning which can be gleaned from such reports. There was an administrative failing in this case in which the line of enquiry was not processed as quickly as it should have been.

"This issue has been addressed and resolved by a number of measures including the establishment of secure means of passing material from Intelligence Branch to Serious Crime Branch.

"It is our view that all credible lines of enquiry in this investigation, which is still open, have been pursued. I would continue to appeal for anyone with information about the bomb attack in Randalstown on January 8 2010 to come forward."

He added: "The ombudsman recommended disciplinary sanctions against four officers. I have agreed there is a requirement for disciplinary sanctions in this case. Having reviewed the full circumstances of this investigation, I decided on an appropriate sanction for each of the detective superintendents. Disciplinary sanctions in respect of the Detective Sergeants are currently being considered."

Constable Heffron is continuing to re-build his life after the terror attack and has requested privacy, he said

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/officers-should-be-disciplined-over-heffron-attack-failings-1.2471009
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on November 06, 2017, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)

Jesus if only we had Joe in 2002 to let us know the Peelers had actually started to change. Joe vision is 20/20 in hindsight.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on November 06, 2017, 11:15:49 AM
Quote from: MoChara on November 06, 2017, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)

Jesus if only we had Joe in 2002 to let us know the Peelers had actually started to change. Joe vision is 20/20 in hindsight.
x2. I wonder if back in 2002 and some young sur from dungiven wanted to sign up would Joe be telling the rest of the lads to wise up and support this cub.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 06, 2017, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 03, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Great lads altogether were Sinn Fein/IRA. A man who approved strapping an innocent to a tractor bomb ended up as Ulster Education minister, and ran for President of Ireland.
Fcuk sake lads 20+ years on and we are still raking over this sort of shit. SF abandoned that position on legitimate atrgets at least 20 years ago, dissidents have been quite rightly denounced as traitors. What came out of the piece on the view last night is that some nationalists will never accept the PSNI and that is a pathetic position to take. We need to get to the situation where PSNI officers can live in the communities they serve. We also need more representation from the catholic community at least up to 45%. Finally Joe Brolly is right, Kickhams need to make their peace with Peadar, for the clubs' sake and for his, if that involves an apology for the actions/inactions of their members, perceived or real then it is imo a price worth paying.

Is it really? Try telling that to the relatives of Loughinisland victims, among many others.
I feel for the families of Loughinisland and other victims of state collusion. I am not saying don't investigate but you do have to move on and accept that the PSNI is a change for the better and a work in progress. Like the divided community it represents it will have a diversity of membership. you can't complain about the makeup of the organisation and do nothing about it. But irrespective of your politics there were rights and wrongs on both sides, injuries and hurt on both sides we need to move on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 06, 2017, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)
Joe nails it again. Kickham CC has stated that we don't know the facts and Brolly's article is one sided. Of course it is because its Peadar Hefforn's view from where he is now. He admits to some bitterness. But how can you have all the facts if the club doesn't speak openly from its perspective. Their statement as Brolly says is self serving and does not address the issues that the article raised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 06, 2017, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 06, 2017, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 05, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Joe sets out his challenges to GAA members and Creggan GAC:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-all-of-us-in-the-gaa-in-the-six-counties-have-been-part-of-a-culture-of-silence-of-cowardice-36290151.html)
Joe nails it again. Kickham CC has stated that we don't know the facts and Brolly's article is one sided. Of course it is because its Peadar Hefforn's view from where he is now. He admits to some bitterness. But how can you have all the facts if the club doesn't speak openly from its perspective. Their statement as Brolly says is self serving and does not address the issues that the article raised.

I agree, disappointed with the statement, sounds like it was written by a Sinn Fein PR guru to make the issue go away, instead of accurately stating what happened, and reah out to Peadar.

I understand Joe's  "Rotten to the Core" comment didn't go down well, and the tentative bridges between Peadar and the community have been weakened further which might have influenced the statement
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 06, 2017, 01:58:07 PM
I think Brollys article is a disgrace. What the hell is he getting at with the article above? Trying even up attacking both sides of the community? His article just highlights the divides which have always existed and I am sire were prevalent in Kickhams area.

This was new and unchartered waters and nobody really knew how to react. We find it difficult to get out club to do anything in unison and we are much smaller than them. We also have people in the club who haven't moved on and have deep seeded republican beliefs, but what do you start throwing them out? we wouldn't have a club left. I've proposed coaching in local protestant schools etc but even still you get funny looks.

We also have a player who left his own club due to a few words about joining the cops and joined us. There was never any issue but we are a majority nationalist area so there was never much bother from loyalists etc on our club.

They were different times and there was no right answer. Very harsh to blacken the whole club nation wide when the characters involved probably aren't even about the club anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JohnDenver on November 06, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Brolly was giving out on twitter in the last week or two about "Compulsory Temporary Moral Outrage (CTMO)" with regards the Tom Humphries case. 

Now he's creating it with this issue until the next big talking point comes along.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on November 06, 2017, 02:53:17 PM
The issue of nationalists in the north and our relationships with policing are too complex and historical to be left in the hands of someone like Joe Brolly.

The first thing to remember is that I'm sure many members of that club had loved ones murdered as a direct result of RUC Collusion with loyalist paramilitary gangs.  That sort of thing leaves a deep seated resentment that is very difficult to move.

Second; it is unfair to throw everything at just one club and think that they are to blame for what happened to  Peadar.  There are very few clubs in the north who would have been entirely comfortable with having a PSNI member in their ranks back then.

Third - The history between the GAA and the police in the north was once so bad that the Ulster Council decided to do its business entirely through Irish, just in case they might be listening in.

Fourth - The fact that every week (this week it's Loughinisland), there is a shocking example of RUC Special Branch collusion just makes it even harder for nationalists to stomach policing in this jurisdiction, although the current PSNI are very professional and are doing their best.

There are two totally separate issues at play here and I think the Kickham's ire is justifiably pointed at this element of the narrative.  It is very hard to stop individuals within a team from deciding to marginalise a player who decided to join the PSNI.  However, trying to kill him is a totally different situation and there is no way that any of these lads in his club would have gone that far.  Joe Brolly needs to clarify that he is not accusing members of the Kickham's club for setting him up because I'm sure this is causing terrible tension within the club.

Just leave the club alone.  Clubs want to be allowed to undertake their core business, training, coaching etc.  They don't want to have to be left to solve all the ills of society.  The GAA is expected to solve drug taking, gambling, drinking, mental health, fast driving, old people's isolation, diet, dental health and now we have to solve the troubles.

I'd say there's a totally different committee now in that club. Just let them get on with their job. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.

This point can not be over stated.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
I think Brolly has burnt any bridges he had with clubs in the north. He has lost control of this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 06, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.

This point can not be over stated.

as I asked before without response... such as which journalist?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:40:19 PM
A Mark Carruthers

Not only journalists but also many influential people in sport and politics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on November 06, 2017, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on November 06, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Brolly was giving out on twitter in the last week or two about "Compulsory Temporary Moral Outrage (CTMO)" with regards the Tom Humphries case. 

Now he's creating it with this issue until the next big talking point comes along.
I tweeted this to him this morning. He hasn't replied. There are a load of other tweets he made last week about the Humphries case that he is now arguing directly against.

Joe is engaging in some rather blatant hypocrisy here. Last week he was, correctly, railing against the vilification of character witnesses and defending the "rule of law" against knee jerk calls to implement summary "justice" based on emotion and outrage. He called for discussion of serious criminal cases to always be measured.

Then, a few days later, he had an article published which went against all that, and which tried and convicted people of blowing up Peadar Heffron based on no evidence and purely on emotive outrage. He vilified an entire club and an entire area in the process.

He repeated this yesterday.

Peadar Heffron undoubtedly has a story to tell that is worth hearing, but we are only hearing one side of the story in the media, a story in which key parts are disputed, and, most seriously, are invited to try and convict people based purely on conjecture.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AQMP on November 06, 2017, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 06, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.

This point can not be over stated.

as I asked before without response... such as which journalist?

https://twitter.com/yvetteshapiro/status/927458084192161792

https://twitter.com/MarkCarruthers7/status/924751522633867264


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 06, 2017, 04:03:04 PM
Shapiro says 'the more uncomfortable the read, the better the journalism'. What a bollocks.

When the article first came out, I did think there was merit in it, albeit as usual Joe over-egged the pudding. Given the subsequent further articles, when he might have provided balance but chose not to, I've lost most of the time i had for any of it. Peadar would have been treated that way in almost every nationalist community in the north, the gaa club hasn't anything to do with it. There were very good reasons why this was the case. Looking back now and putting a different complexion on history does a great disservice, provides a stick for the gaa many are only too willing to yield, and sets back the gaa's journey to acceptance across the board in the north, decades.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TabClear on November 06, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 06, 2017, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on November 06, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Brolly was giving out on twitter in the last week or two about "Compulsory Temporary Moral Outrage (CTMO)" with regards the Tom Humphries case. 

Now he's creating it with this issue until the next big talking point comes along.
I tweeted this to him this morning. He hasn't replied. There are a load of other tweets he made last week about the Humphries case that he is now arguing directly against.

Joe is engaging in some rather blatant hypocrisy here. Last week he was, correctly, railing against the vilification of character witnesses and defending the "rule of law" against knee jerk calls to implement summary "justice" based on emotion and outrage. He called for discussion of serious criminal cases to always be measured.

Then, a few days later, he had an article published which went against all that, and which tried and convicted people of blowing up Peadar Heffron based on no evidence and purely on emotive outrage. He vilified an entire club and an entire area in the process.

He repeated this yesterday.

Peadar Heffron undoubtedly has a story to tell that is worth hearing, but we are only hearing one side of the story in the media, a story in which key parts are disputed, and, most seriously, are invited to try and convict people based purely on conjecture.

And is anyone surprised? Joe's "opinions" are intended to maximize value to Joe and are subject to change if it benefits Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 06, 2017, 04:18:21 PM
Peadar would undoubtedly been treated similarly in other clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor does the fact that we do not like what Joe has written in his articles make them pure bollocks. There is a reason why only one side of the story is out there and that is the lack of adequate response from Kickhams. Are we seriously suggesting that any one who joins the PSNI should not be allowed to remain as part of their community? If so that is wrong in so many ways.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 06, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Not other clubs Apples, thats the point - any other community. Kickhams aren't to blame, the GAA aren't to blame. They are community organisations so inevitably reflect their communities. If we are looking at how Peadar was treated then we need to blame the whole nationalist community, not one organisation or one club. And when we look at it on that scale, then it might be easier to realise that perhaps there were valid reasons for the nationalist community to be suspicious of the police.

Of course it would have been great if nationalists had accepted the PSNI overnight. But does anyone actually think that was a reasonable expectation?? The GAA and Kickhams are being vilified for being representative of their communities - thats not fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 06, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: AQMP on November 06, 2017, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 06, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
The most astonishing thing for me is the amount of high profile journalists coming out and stating that this is outstanding journalism.

This point can not be over stated.

as I asked before without response... such as which journalist?

https://twitter.com/yvetteshapiro/status/927458084192161792

https://twitter.com/MarkCarruthers7/status/924751522633867264

Ok fair enough... didnt see that before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 06, 2017, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 06, 2017, 04:18:21 PM
Peadar would undoubtedly been treated similarly in other clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor does the fact that we do not like what Joe has written in his articles make them pure bollocks. There is a reason why only one side of the story is out there and that is the lack of adequate response from Kickhams. Are we seriously suggesting that any one who joins the PSNI should not be allowed to remain as part of their community? If so that is wrong in so many ways.
ū

Kickhams do not owe an explanation. This is not a Kickhams story anymore. This is a legacy issue not a club issue. To expect any more from Kickhams is deliberately missing the point for some other non Kickhams reason.

That reason is probably designed by Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 06, 2017, 06:26:25 PM
How many people's  on here would be confident the Psni presence at a function or a Psni man being accepted openly as a player would NOT split your club right to its foundations??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 07:24:01 PM
My own club yes it would probably split us right down the middle at committee level. On a personal level, I don't think players would have an issue with it mainly because younger demographic and grew up with less aggro from the PSNI than our parents did with the RUC. I know I can say wholeheartedly that if wouldn't be an issue player wise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 06, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
You can't complain about an unbalanced police force if people from a Community won't join it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 06, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
You can't complain about an unbalanced police force if people from a Community won't join it

+1

It suits SF and supporters to have PSNI unbalanced as it fits an on-going narrative about the PSNI, hence the ambiguous and barely there support for the police.  If SF really wanted to have a full community force it would be actively encouraging young Catholic people to join the PSNI, infiltrate its ranks all the way to the top.  Instead, by allowing the IRA threats to any Catholic in the force to dominate the discussion, recruitment remains one sided, the mopery can continue and the SF narrative on the police continues to be reinforced.

Remember Justin McNulty's words on BBC, "Young Irishmen and women who join the Garda are Irish police. Young Irishmen and women who join the PSNI are Irish police," he added. "They should be admired by the community for the service they provide."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 06, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 07:24:01 PM
My own club yes it would probably split us right down the middle at committee level. On a personal level, I don't think players would have an issue with it mainly because younger demographic and grew up with less aggro from the PSNI than our parents did with the RUC. I know I can say wholeheartedly that if wouldn't be an issue player wise.

My club is the same, we have 3 playing members executed by the security forces, who now are described as legacy cases waiting on inquests where the Ruc firstly and now the Psni will not release the files for the inquests... So not as simple in most clubs as opening the arms up to the PSNI...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Seany on November 06, 2017, 02:53:17 PM
The issue of nationalists in the north and our relationships with policing are too complex and historical to be left in the hands of someone like Joe Brolly.

The first thing to remember is that I'm sure many members of that club had loved ones murdered as a direct result of RUC Collusion with loyalist paramilitary gangs.  That sort of thing leaves a deep seated resentment that is very difficult to move.

Second; it is unfair to throw everything at just one club and think that they are to blame for what happened to  Peadar.  There are very few clubs in the north who would have been entirely comfortable with having a PSNI member in their ranks back then.

Third - The history between the GAA and the police in the north was once so bad that the Ulster Council decided to do its business entirely through Irish, just in case they might be listening in.

Fourth - The fact that every week (this week it's Loughinisland), there is a shocking example of RUC Special Branch collusion just makes it even harder for nationalists to stomach policing in this jurisdiction, although the current PSNI are very professional and are doing their best.

There are two totally separate issues at play here and I think the Kickham's ire is justifiably pointed at this element of the narrative.  It is very hard to stop individuals within a team from deciding to marginalise a player who decided to join the PSNI.  However, trying to kill him is a totally different situation and there is no way that any of these lads in his club would have gone that far.  Joe Brolly needs to clarify that he is not accusing members of the Kickham's club for setting him up because I'm sure this is causing terrible tension within the club.

Just leave the club alone.  Clubs want to be allowed to undertake their core business, training, coaching etc.  They don't want to have to be left to solve all the ills of society.  The GAA is expected to solve drug taking, gambling, drinking, mental health, fast driving, old people's isolation, diet, dental health and now we have to solve the troubles.

I'd say there's a totally different committee now in that club. Just let them get on with their job.

Your first post, can you clarify it? As it seems to me that anybody that was killed on catholic side was arranged by the police? ... now collusion was rife but to say Creggan had members killed (I'm not sure they had any btw) and if they did it was on the police say so is a bit much ...

Loyalist gangs murdered at will, to say they did have police collusion with most of their murders would be strange considering the amount of loyalists that were locked up for murder, I get the rouge peelers, I get the agents the police had on both sides that allowed murderers away with it to keep the handlers with info but spare me the bullshit please
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 06, 2017, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
/quote]

And ithe will be easier if 44% of them are from the Catholic/Nationalist Community.
But if they're discouraged from joining.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 07, 2017, 12:04:17 AM
MR2, a dirty war yes. But the issue here is of the police, and the understandable reluctance of some nationalists to accept them or forget what they did in the past. I was merely pointing out that that's the reality.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2017, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 07, 2017, 12:04:17 AM
MR2, a dirty war yes. But the issue here is of the police, and the understandable reluctance of some nationalists to accept them or forget what they did in the past. I was merely pointing out that that's the reality.

But it's got to be done! What's the alternative here? We can't start another brand new force! It's just got to take time...

I can't accept a large part of it.. I know that there is still covert operations going on to reduce the likes of the real IRA, old tactics of blackmailing low level republicans to be informants, that happens in every police force in all countries against criminals, that's how the public view them now as the war is over

But if and (that's a big if it was locals from his club) people are still gathering information to plot to kill police officers (catholic GAA men) in their own area you'd be a bit of a hypocrite to complain about underhand tactics and trust! Can't have it both ways
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 07, 2017, 08:05:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 06, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
You can't complain about an unbalanced police force if people from a Community won't join it

You have no concept of it.

Of course you can complain about an unbalanced police force.
Do you think young black men in the USA have no right to complain about being racially profiled by police? What sort of democracy do you want?
I'd guess most people do not but it seems when it comes to Ireland we are expected to suck it up.
When policing is wrong then it need to be said.

This is not an academic discussion for many. It's real live with real live experiences that has impacted on their view. Regardless of how black and white you or I might see it, that's not the reality for many.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
I think people are missing the point. Northern Ireland has changed a lot since this happened. Ok its nowhere near perfect but I think vast majority of clubs would handle it different in 2017. We are criticising a club which was faced with a new problem and there was no script!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2017, 09:48:11 AM
I can't see what the club were realistically expected to do?

The reaction to Heffron's choice was personal for each individual, it was in sync with what would have happened around most nationalist areas at that time. He lost friends over that choice. As far as I know there was no memo passed down from the club hierarchy telling them to freeze him out. He feels let down by his team mates but I'm sure a lot of his team mates, community and family also felt let down by one of their joining what was viewed at the time as an orange police force complicit in the murder of catholics and subverting justice for their families.

With regards men coming in with leaflets, it happened once from what I gather. It's not as if these lads sought permission from the club to do this, the fact is you could probably drive into any club ground around the country and walk into a dressing room no bother on a training ground. It's not as if clubs employ active security personnel on doors or gates.

It's understandable that Heffron feels bitterness and resentment towards the club for the way it played out. It's also understandable the way his team mates reacted toward his decision to join the PSNI. It's an unfortunate consequence of what were troubling times and one of hundreds or thousands that would have happened in  the North in a 30+ year period. The club seem to have been caught in the middle and I think they were doomed regardless of the choice they made.

The tone of Brolly's article was very dangerous, for a casual reader with no critical thought, it implicates Creggan in the attempted murder of one its own players which seems to be a million miles away from reality.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 07, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
I think people are missing the point. Northern Ireland has changed a lot since this happened. Ok its nowhere near perfect but I think vast majority of clubs would handle it different in 2017. We are criticising a club which was faced with a new problem and there was no script!


How many Gaa clubs had played joined Psni and kept playing for there own club.... i know one player from a Neighbouring club but he moved away.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real bastards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 07, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
I think people are missing the point. Northern Ireland has changed a lot since this happened. Ok its nowhere near perfect but I think vast majority of clubs would handle it different in 2017. We are criticising a club which was faced with a new problem and there was no script!


How many Gaa clubs had played joined Psni and kept playing for there own club.... i know one player from a Neighbouring club but he moved away.....

There is no way of knowing that and more importantly how can you say they were ousted by there own clubs. I know one who done it for security reasons.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 07, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
Might have been discussed but should Kickhams not have stopped the leaflets being handed out? Easier said than done obviously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 07, 2017, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real b**tards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?

Spot on. It really is a f%$ded up world where the people who actually did the deed, can sit back and watch everybody else tear strips out of each other
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 07, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
I think Joe has over stepped his mark here and is misinterpreted the thinking of most clubs on this subject.... 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 07, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 07, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 07, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
I think people are missing the point. Northern Ireland has changed a lot since this happened. Ok its nowhere near perfect but I think vast majority of clubs would handle it different in 2017. We are criticising a club which was faced with a new problem and there was no script!


How many Gaa clubs had played joined Psni and kept playing for there own club.... i know one player from a Neighbouring club but he moved away.....

There is no way of knowing that and more importantly how can you say they were ousted by there own clubs. I know one who done it for security reasons.

The one i know was not ousted he left the area due too as you say security reasons..... also i know two neighbouring clubs got themselves into a mess by inviting the Psni to their clubs and had to backtrack when they realised what potential harm it may do by the reaction of their membership and in one case their players!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 07, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 07, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
Might have been discussed but should Kickhams not have stopped the leaflets being handed out? Easier said than done obviously.

It was a one off event, happened after a training session.

Half the lads were in the shower, a number didn't realise what was happened until after a minute of so, and it was over within minutes.

No leaflets were handed out before or after that incident

Also, we were probably like any other club, we trained Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sunday mornings, same time for about 30 years. So somebody in the team or the club might have invited the lads in, but can say for sure as it wouldn't been hard for outsiders to figure out our schedule
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 07, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 07, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 07, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
Might have been discussed but should Kickhams not have stopped the leaflets being handed out? Easier said than done obviously.

It was a one off event, happened after a training session.

Half the lads were in the shower, a number didn't realise what was happened until after a minute of so, and it was over within minutes.

No leaflets were handed out before or after that incident

Also, we were probably like any other club, we trained Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sunday mornings, same time for about 30 years. So somebody in the team or the club might have invited the lads in, but can say for sure as it wouldn't been hard for outsiders to figure out our schedule

Cheers Kickham!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 07, 2017, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.

They would have done if this was handled better by Joe, as I've said before, the acceptance of the PSNI was a journey that everyone had to take, and some were on a faster path than others, and 15 years on and society has moved on and I believe reconciliation was possible.

However, the community now feels under attack, the whole community, even those who had supported Peadar, so the barriers have gone up.

The ironic thing about this is that Creggan down the years have always tried to remain non political, in that I mean we didn't promote Sinn Fein hard line republican agendas over SDLP, Workers Party, etc.

The club has always fought to remain a culturally focused club, strong in supporting sports, music, dance and the language.

At the time, people in the club would have thought that promoting PSNI would have  been making a political statement, and the club were in the position of trying to support Peadar but remaining neutral on the issue.

And in hindsight, that's where the club can receive justifiable criticism.

But there was no f#&*king manual to refer to on how to manage the situation, so I find it hard to criticise the club understanding the position it was in

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 07, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real b**tards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?

Everyone is in agreement on this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 07, 2017, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.

They would have done if this was handled better by Joe, as I've said before, the acceptance of the PSNI was a journey that everyone had to take, and some were on a faster path than others, and 15 years on and society has moved on and I believe reconciliation was possible.

However, the community now feels under attack, the whole community, even those who had supported Peadar, so the barriers have gone up.

The ironic thing about this is that Creggan down the years have always tried to remain non political, in that I mean we didn't promote Sinn Fein hard line republican agendas over SDLP, Workers Party, etc.

The club has always fought to remain a culturally focused club, strong in supporting sports, music, dance and the language.

At the time, people in the club would have thought that promoting PSNI would have  been making a political statement, and the club were in the position of trying to support Peadar but remaining neutral on the issue.

And in hindsight, that's where the club can receive justifiable criticism.

But there was no f#&*king manual to refer to on how to manage the situation, so I find it hard to criticise the club understanding the position it was in

Its a sorry mess for all involved, the club has got itself into a fantastic setting with the new pitches, facilities and the club is reaping the benefit of the community effort thats been put in and the success of the teams, things Joe hasnt brought up.. you are right about the manual, how does one conduct themselves when XY and Z happens, you will fcuk over someone but damage limatations from here on in

No leafleats in the referee's changing room next year please  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Beffs on November 07, 2017, 12:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real b**tards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?

No. And that is the real tragedy here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2017, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didn't colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I can't know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... I'm sure it's tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, it's got to be done, at some point you'll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.
Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 07, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 12:15:03 PM

Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.

No, there should be no more statements. Another statement will be admission that the first one wasn't good enough. It'll also be used to say that they are only doing it due to the pressure from outside and they don't really believe it. 'if they believed that they would have said it years ago' etc. It will also only prolong things.
No statement will be good enough if Brolly does not want it to be. It's not possible to write a statement that will fix this.
Not only did Brolly force the first statement, his next article shows that he is the one that decides if any statement is good enough.

If the club wish they could contact Peadar and see about repairing the bridge. Bypass Brolly and the media. I see no other way of addressing this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 07, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 07, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 07, 2017, 12:15:03 PM

Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.

No, there should be no more statements. Another statement will be admission that the first one wasn't good enough. It'll also be used to say that they are only doing it due to the pressure from outside and they don't really believe it. 'if they believed that they would have said it years ago' etc. It will also only prolong things.
No statement will be good enough if Brolly does not want it to be. It's not possible to write a statement that will fix this.
Not only did Brolly force the first statement, his next article shows that he is the one that decides if any statement is good enough.

If the club wish they could contact Peadar and see about repairing the bridge. Bypass Brolly and the media. I see no other way of addressing this.

Totally agree, approach him in confidence and sort it out. No need to feed that nutjobs ego anymore, he'll have moved on to new prey soon enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on November 07, 2017, 05:25:44 PM
Has there been any word from heffron? Surely he isn't happy about the publicity that this has created and I'm sure his family aren't happy with the bad press that Creggan have received.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2017, 08:45:44 PM
Just cause his father supported Sinn Fein doesn't necessarily mean he does
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomusername on November 07, 2017, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

Doubt it, he and Brolly's mum are pretty outspoken about being pro-life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: reddgnhand on November 08, 2017, 12:37:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 05, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
I wonder can Joe interview the Mentioned PSNI GAA team trainer Mr Tucker and ask why he mentally tortured the family's of the young men who where shot dead in the Clonoe CHAPEL car park in 1992 one of them a playing member of my own club....

Tucker? Remember that name. Based in Dungannon he was totally detested. His name always cropped up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on November 08, 2017, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

hardly, he disagreed with an abortion stance and stated Gerry was entitled to his view on it. As the boul DT would say, fake news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2017, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 07, 2017, 05:25:44 PM
Has there been any word from heffron? Surely he isn't happy about the publicity that this has created and I'm sure his family aren't happy with the bad press that Creggan have received.

It was him that said it!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: reddgnhand on November 08, 2017, 12:37:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 05, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
I wonder can Joe interview the Mentioned PSNI GAA team trainer Mr Tucker and ask why he mentally tortured the family's of the young men who where shot dead in the Clonoe CHAPEL car park in 1992 one of them a playing member of my own club....

Tucker? Remember that name. Based in Dungannon he was totally detested. His name always cropped up.

He is part of the reason why the PSNI or their Gaa team will never be excepted in East Tyrone Clubs, along with the Legacy cases hanging over Families of murder victims some going back 40 years.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

He is part of the reason why the PSNI or their Gaa team will never be excepted in East Tyrone Clubs, along with the Legacy cases hanging over Families of murder victims some going back 40 years.....

I suppose something we can learn from all this is 'never' is often said too soon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 08, 2017, 11:43:56 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

He is part of the reason why the PSNI or their Gaa team will never be excepted in East Tyrone Clubs, along with the Legacy cases hanging over Families of murder victims some going back 40 years.....

I suppose something we can learn from all this is 'never' is often said too soon.
And the correct spelling of ACCEPTED.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 08, 2017, 11:43:56 AM


And the correct spelling of ACCEPTED.

Oddly both work.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tothetop03 on November 08, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

He is part of the reason why the PSNI or their Gaa team will never be excepted in East Tyrone Clubs, along with the Legacy cases hanging over Families of murder victims some going back 40 years.....

I suppose something we can learn from all this is 'never' is often said too soon.

Your prob right in the immediate future anyway.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
While I certainly would condemn the attack on Peader Heffnan or any other police officer, I fail to see this wonderful newly reformed PSNI. For example check Page 1 of today's Irish News were PSNI indicate they are set to appeal yesterday's judgement that to order police to complete investigation into dozens of murders carried out by the Glenanne Gang. So many examples in recent years looks like same ole police... baby sitting flag protests etc.. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 08, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
While I certainly would condemn the attack on Peader Heffnan or any other police officer, I fail to see this wonderful newly reformed PSNI. For example check Page 1 of today's Irish News were PSNI indicate they are set to appeal yesterday's judgement that to order police to complete investigation into dozens of murders carried out by the Glenanne Gang. So many examples in recent years looks like same ole police... baby sitting flag protests etc..

Thats like turkey's voting for xmas ffs! Higher end of the PSNI and to an extent the government decide on these things, why anyone would be surprised that they are to appeal something that will bring to justice, previous or current officers is beyond me... the police force needs to go through a clear out but you cant do it over night or in 20 years!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 08, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
While I certainly would condemn the attack on Peader Heffnan or any other police officer, I fail to see this wonderful newly reformed PSNI. For example check Page 1 of today's Irish News were PSNI indicate they are set to appeal yesterday's judgement that to order police to complete investigation into dozens of murders carried out by the Glenanne Gang. So many examples in recent years looks like same ole police... baby sitting flag protests etc..
Only way to change it is from with in. Read Brian Feeney's article in the IN, explains why the PSNI is struggling to be representative. That said if you ostracise your own people for joining how do you expect them to feel towards their community? We have to get on board. I know a number of Catholic officers who have had to move, some of them continued to play GAA but not with their home club. The nationalist community needs to start excepting them and pushing for further change. In relation to legacy cases it is perhaps more to do with cost than any antipathy to the nationalist community. Civilians going a police service bring their own views and prejudices with them irrespective of their religion, the only way to balance this is by joining. The PSNI are trying to recruit from west of the Band in particular. You'd get the impression that it would suit some agendas if the PSNI was more like the RUC, and I don't mean just Unionists.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on November 08, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Disappointed by Brolly, I have no problem with the Hefferon side of the story, a sad story and in terms of going forward it needed to be heard,  but to have turned on Creggan like he did, was poor form. There is not a rural club in the six counties that would have been much different back in 2002. Agree that the best way to change the PSNI culture is to increase catholic recruits, so it can be improved from within, but have to confess if my lads suggested it!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 08, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
While I certainly would condemn the attack on Peader Heffnan or any other police officer, I fail to see this wonderful newly reformed PSNI. For example check Page 1 of today's Irish News were PSNI indicate they are set to appeal yesterday's judgement that to order police to complete investigation into dozens of murders carried out by the Glenanne Gang. So many examples in recent years looks like same ole police... baby sitting flag protests etc..

Thats like turkey's voting for xmas ffs! Higher end of the PSNI and to an extent the government decide on these things, why anyone would be surprised that they are to appeal something that will bring to justice, previous or current officers is beyond me... the police force needs to go through a clear out but you cant do it over night or in 20 years!

so why expect new Catholic recruits to get high fives from their community? Is very difficult to get past what the police still is...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.

They will only be at the top for so long. It will change, it has to but stop looking for changes right away or even in the short term, new recruits in the past 5/10 years are still learning their trade so to speak, the dinosaurs at the top need to retire but there is no experience there id imagine to fill it....

also the Cops are run by the government..

keep calling it the RUC and it wont attract the changes people in nationalist areas want, as the ordinary Joe from the Falls wont join! as someone mentioned above, there are a lot out there that would prefer things to be boiling over as it gives them an excuse to create tensions between the police... Hopefully you won't have to call on the PSNI/RUC for any issues as you'll not trust them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.

They will only be at the top for so long. It will change, it has to but stop looking for changes right away or even in the short term, new recruits in the past 5/10 years are still learning their trade so to speak, the dinosaurs at the top need to retire but there is no experience there id imagine to fill it....

also the Cops are run by the government..

keep calling it the RUC and it wont attract the changes people in nationalist areas want, as the ordinary Joe from the Falls wont join! as someone mentioned above, there are a lot out there that would prefer things to be boiling over as it gives them an excuse to create tensions between the police... Hopefully you won't have to call on the PSNI/RUC for any issues as you'll not trust them

If we look at this as a policing issue we will never get there. This is a legacy issue. If you want to get there we need a Truth Commission.

Your suggestion that some people would prefer things to boil over is a red herring. A minority not worth counting might prefer this. The rest of us want peace and justice and a fair reading of history with fair policing in the future.
I've seen it suggested here a few times without basis. Same trick Brolly used to attack Kickhams. 
There is nobody who does not want a police service they can have a relationship with. Again, the reasons why that is not the case across the board has nothing to do with Nationalists not joining. It's decades of built division. You are right, this will take time. Without a Truth Commission it will take a long time. There will never be a truth Commission and so it will take a long time.
If someone has already arrived at forgiveness or just have apathy then good for you. That does not give the right to judge those that are not there.

I'm fully convinced that no Nationalist wants to join the police force to better their community. I don't believe this is a motive for young people even though they might argue it and be told it after joining. the main motive for people joining the PSNI (on both sides) is because they want to be a police man or police woman.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on November 08, 2017, 02:29:52 PM
Peadar Heffron wanted to join to bring about a UI  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
And if its the case that they want to be a policeman or woman, (transgender, gay or whatever) what odds? As for the sweeping statement of you know they arent doing it for a better policing is wrong also, as you dont know this to be the case

The job will attract most people of that type, a steady job, good pension and retire early in life!

I've already mentioned a truth commission will that help everyone? i doubt it will, but stand to be corrected

No one is asking anyone to accept the police as it is, was, or how it will pan out, certainly not me, as I've said I havent lost anyone at the hands of the then RUC or the PNSI so i cant compare how someone who has is feeling.. have seen a lot of other stuff and my dad I'm sure would recount other stories from the late 50's early and late 60's but I would consider myself very fortunate on that score

If we continue to look to the past we wont get anywhere, putting up barriers everytime hasnt moved us on a lot also, the collapse of the local government seems to suit peoples agendas.. keep the fires burning
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
And if its the case that they want to be a policeman or woman, (transgender, gay or whatever) what odds? As for the sweeping statement of you know they arent doing it for a better policing is wrong also, as you dont know this to be the case



I said, I'm convinced and i believe it's the case. I made the point that it is me as an individual that thinks this not that it is some common fact.

In that I was referring to the idea in the original article that Peadar was motivated by civic duty which has been widely referred to in the wider media. I do not believe this is the case in anyone joining the PSNI.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
And if its the case that they want to be a policeman or woman, (transgender, gay or whatever) what odds? As for the sweeping statement of you know they arent doing it for a better policing is wrong also, as you dont know this to be the case

The job will attract most people of that type, a steady job, good pension and retire early in life!

I've already mentioned a truth commission will that help everyone? i doubt it will, but stand to be corrected

No one is asking anyone to accept the police as it is, was, or how it will pan out, certainly not me, as I've said I havent lost anyone at the hands of the then RUC or the PNSI so i cant compare how someone who has is feeling.. have seen a lot of other stuff and my dad I'm sure would recount other stories from the late 50's early and late 60's but I would consider myself very fortunate on that score

If we continue to look to the past we wont get anywhere, putting up barriers everytime hasnt moved us on a lot also, the collapse of the local government seems to suit peoples agendas.. keep the fires burning

The present police force is less than impressive... so much of the old guard and mindset still there
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM


If we continue to look to the past we wont get anywhere, putting up barriers everytime hasnt moved us on a lot also, the collapse of the local government seems to suit peoples agendas.. keep the fires burning

Brolly's story was about the pass. This is what we are discussing. Brolly seemed to forget that at the time it was in the present.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 08, 2017, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM


If we continue to look to the past we wont get anywhere, putting up barriers everytime hasnt moved us on a lot also, the collapse of the local government seems to suit peoples agendas.. keep the fires burning

Brolly's story was about the pass. This is what we are discussing. Brolly seemed to forget that at the time it was in the present.

Yea, this story was a wasted opportunity.

I truly believe that if approached correctly, the club would have commenced reaching out to Peadar, and in a slowly, carefully planned process begin the reintroduction of Peadar to the Creggan community.  I work as a business change manager for a global/ multi national company. We have a 12 step change process,  and one of the early steps is anger / target audience not being ready for the change.

We never got past this phase of the PSNI change with Peadar, we never got to the acceptance and normalisation phase, so we needed to restart the journey where we left off.

How Joe approached this was to rewind 15 years to the start and stir up old emotions and create a bagful of new ones. This sledge hammer approach to change only fuels resentment and continued resistance to change and only hurts Peadar and the community more.

This had the potential to be a great story that could have showed how as time moveds on, old biases can transition into new positive outlooks on issues.

Now, we have Peadar understandably bitter and angry, and the Creggan community understandably suspicious that they are in a media campaign by Brolly to boost Brolly's profile. The community believe that Brolly has no genuine interest in a reconciliation between Peadar and Creggan, and any subsequent move will be exploited by Brolly to his gain
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 08, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Disappointed by Brolly, I have no problem with the Hefferon side of the story, a sad story and in terms of going forward it needed to be heard,  but to have turned on Creggan like he did, was poor form. There is not a rural club in the six counties that would have been much different back in 2002. Agree that the best way to change the PSNI culture is to increase catholic recruits, so it can be improved from within, but have to confess if my lads suggested it!!!
Joe Brolly did not turn on Creggan, they compounded the mistakes of the past by an inadequate and belated response.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.
Christ Jesus you'll be calling SF SF/IRA next. The unbalance at the top in the PSNI will persist as long as catholics aren't encouraged to join and see comments such as this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.

They will only be at the top for so long. It will change, it has to but stop looking for changes right away or even in the short term, new recruits in the past 5/10 years are still learning their trade so to speak, the dinosaurs at the top need to retire but there is no experience there id imagine to fill it....

also the Cops are run by the government..

keep calling it the RUC and it wont attract the changes people in nationalist areas want, as the ordinary Joe from the Falls wont join! as someone mentioned above, there are a lot out there that would prefer things to be boiling over as it gives them an excuse to create tensions between the police... Hopefully you won't have to call on the PSNI/RUC for any issues as you'll not trust them
Milltown, I'm getting worried as you and I seem to be in agreement once again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 08, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 08, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Disappointed by Brolly, I have no problem with the Hefferon side of the story, a sad story and in terms of going forward it needed to be heard,  but to have turned on Creggan like he did, was poor form. There is not a rural club in the six counties that would have been much different back in 2002. Agree that the best way to change the PSNI culture is to increase catholic recruits, so it can be improved from within, but have to confess if my lads suggested it!!!
Joe Brolly did not turn on Creggan, they compounded the mistakes of the past by an inadequate and belated response.
Disagree, he referred to the community being rotten to the core on the Friday before the response, which put the club in a no win situation, either forced to issue a statement to Joe's liking, or ridiculed for issuing a statement not to Joe's liking.

The issue was complex as I have stated, and Joe didn't provide any balance, because it didn't suit his style.

And he def made a bad situation that was recoverable 10 times worse.

As I've said before, his approach to Creggan is the same as asking Joe to apologise on behalf of the Brolly family for his fathers alleged involvement in the Claudy bombings. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 08, 2017, 04:16:17 PM

The unbalance at the top in the PSNI will persist as long as catholics aren't encouraged to join and see comments such as this.

I understand this and it is true to an extent but it is not without an opposing and valid argument.

Firstly, do we accept there is an imbalance and do we accept that as fundamental and true and therefore we must allow it?
Is a balanced police force something we should aim to achieve or demand as a right?

While there arguments for both in the current environment I am not sure which is right. If pushed I believe demanding it now a better option. It does take me to be pushed however, 10 or 15 years ago i would have pushed back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 08, 2017, 04:58:19 PM
When the PSNI was formed what were the options available in order to fully eradicate the horrendous failings of the RUC? Serious question here. Was it not near impossible to have at least some former RUC personnel to be involved?

Regarding the Ronan Kerr murder, can any of the Tyrone posters shed any light on how he was treated prior to the attack. Was he given the cold shoulder at Beragh??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
And if its the case that they want to be a policeman or woman, (transgender, gay or whatever) what odds? As for the sweeping statement of you know they arent doing it for a better policing is wrong also, as you dont know this to be the case



I said, I'm convinced and i believe it's the case. I made the point that it is me as an individual that thinks this not that it is some common fact.

In that I was referring to the idea in the original article that Peadar was motivated by civic duty which has been widely referred to in the wider media. I do not believe this is the case in anyone joining the PSNI.

I don't know what you've said as you've change it, should have quoted it  ;)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 12:35:47 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on November 08, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
If more of our side were to join the PSNI/RUC do people really think it will change, i dont. Its the people at the top that call the shots and they will always come from the protestant community , i have no doubt the Catholics in the force would be used for unsavory jobs by their protestant superiors.

I agree. The overall agenda with policing, media is pro-unionist and anti-nationalist. It's very easy to make up a fake dissident threat in order for the PSNI to move into catholic areas, and go to town. That will always be the case in this gerrymandered hellhole, 50:50 or not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 09, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:18 PM

I don't know what you've said as you've change it, should have quoted it  ;)

I changed it to include

QuoteI've seen it suggested here a few times without basis. Same trick Brolly used to attack Kickhams.

It had no bearing on your comment or my reply.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on November 09, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The Real IRA of the late 90's early 2000's were a totally different animal to the groups about now. Dissidents have been saying for over a decade about stepping up there armed campaign but its never really materialized to any maintained effort. I don't think it's conspiracy that mi5 and mi6 like to rack up the threat level every now and then to keep their funding ticking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 09, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The Police have to take a share of the blame for Omagh for both letting it happen and the subsequent investigation which makes you ponder.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on November 09, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 08, 2017, 04:36:54 PM

Disagree, he referred to the community being rotten to the core on the Friday before the response, which put the club in a no win situation, either forced to issue a statement to Joe's liking, or ridiculed for issuing a statement not to Joe's liking.

Where was this, Kickham?

Excellent posts from you on this thread by the way, providing some much needed context and nuance to the story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 10:14:25 AM
In the Gaelic life article Brolly wrote:

"Creggans answer to the shocking indictment against them has been "no comment." It is a fine club and has done great work over the last 20 years, but there is something rotten to the core that they need to address now"

Don't think that specifically refers to the community Kickham but can see your point!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 09, 2017, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 09, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The Police have to take a share of the blame for Omagh for both letting it happen and the subsequent investigation which makes you ponder.

No one has responsibility or blame for the killing of 29 innocents in Omagh other than the IRA members who planned the attack, built the bomb, delivered it to Omagh, set the timer, failed to give correct details of the position of the bomb, helped all involved to escape and have given them support and kept them safe since 1998. 

According to your twisted analysis the fault for all similar atrocities by the IRA, for example in Enniskillen, La Mon House Hotel, Claudy, etc, belongs to the police. 

In the same way do you believe that the Garda has responsibility for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 09, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 10:14:25 AM
In the Gaelic life article Brolly wrote:

"Creggans answer to the shocking indictment against them has been "no comment." It is a fine club and has done great work over the last 20 years, but there is something rotten to the core that they need to address now"

Don't think that specifically refers to the community Kickham but can see your point!

The club is the centre of the community in Creggan.

God, has anybody on this site ever been to Creggan? It consists of two pubs, a primary school, with the club in the middle of them all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 09, 2017, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 09, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 10:14:25 AM
In the Gaelic life article Brolly wrote:

"Creggans answer to the shocking indictment against them has been "no comment." It is a fine club and has done great work over the last 20 years, but there is something rotten to the core that they need to address now"

Don't think that specifically refers to the community Kickham but can see your point!

The club is the centre of the community in Creggan.

God, has anybody on this site ever been to Creggan? It consists of two pubs, a primary school, with the club in the middle of them all.

You're commenting to a wider audience here Kickham.  Don't forget the cottage and the redevelopment of mclarnons!



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 09, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
Anyone here think Brolly's article has actually hardened attitudes rather than conciliated?

I know the parish neighbours and adjacent GAA clubs & fraternities are fully behind Creggan's stance and have adopted 'you attack one of us, you attack all of us' stance.   

I don't believe you will find any volunteers for the PSNI in that area of the SW coming forward just because of that article.  The urban areas were more likely to produce recruits but if the PSNI have abandoned their '50/50' recruitment policy I cant see how they will ever hit the magic number, and keep it consistent at that number without positive discrimination.   

I don't think it should ever be the GAAs job to work as a job recruitment agency. ive never saw my local club pushing leaflets for brickies, banks or the NHS, so why should the psni be any different?

Whether the middle roaders like it or not, the whiff of the RUC at the head of the PSNI still lingers.  They needed a full clear out at the top and a clean sweep but it didn't happen. perhaps politically, perhaps practically. 
Besides all that, whether it be a guard or a psni officer, joining the police force changes your communities perception of you. you are now the enforcer of law and thereby the people, even your friends and family. security dictates you cannot live amongst your people whether that is in unionist or nationalist areas.

joining the police force enforces a natural ostracisation  and that is magnified in a nationalist community.

Has Joe ruined any hope of PSNI recruitment in rural areas? I suspect he has in SW Antrim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
I think if your are blowing up your own in their own areas, that will just about cover the people from that community not joining up me thinks, its a good tactic
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 09, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
Anyone here think Brolly's article has actually hardened attitudes rather than conciliated?

I know the parish neighbours and adjacent GAA clubs & fraternities are fully behind Creggan's stance and have adopted 'you attack one of us, you attack all of us' stance.   

I don't believe you will find any volunteers for the PSNI in that area of the SW coming forward just because of that article.  The urban areas were more likely to produce recruits but if the PSNI have abandoned their '50/50' recruitment policy I cant see how they will ever hit the magic number, and keep it consistent at that number without positive discrimination.   

I don't think it should ever be the GAAs job to work as a job recruitment agency. ive never saw my local club pushing leaflets for brickies, banks or the NHS, so why should the psni be any different?

Whether the middle roaders like it or not, the whiff of the RUC at the head of the PSNI still lingers.  They needed a full clear out at the top and a clean sweep but it didn't happen. perhaps politically, perhaps practically
Besides all that, whether it be a guard or a psni officer, joining the police force changes your communities perception of you. you are now the enforcer of law and thereby the people, even your friends and family. security dictates you cannot live amongst your people whether that is in unionist or nationalist areas.

joining the police force enforces a natural ostracisation  and that is magnified in a nationalist community.

Has Joe ruined any hope of PSNI recruitment in rural areas? I suspect he has in SW Antrim.

How do you do this though? Serious question. Should they have recruited Guards or British officers??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on November 09, 2017, 12:50:41 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41915005 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41915005)

Nothing unique about this story really as can be seen above or indeed looking at how whistleblowers in business/politics are treated/left isolated. All common human behaviours.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 09, 2017, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 09, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
Anyone here think Brolly's article has actually hardened attitudes rather than conciliated?


Whether the middle roaders like it or not, the whiff of the RUC at the head of the PSNI still lingers.  They needed a full clear out at the top and a clean sweep but it didn't happen. perhaps politically, perhaps practically

How do you do this though? Serious question. Should they have recruited Guards or British officers??

It was most likely impossible.  You would have had to bring in a mix of outsiders like Americans, Australians, Guards, British ...even from non English speaking countries, paid top dollar to create a new hierarchy and wait the ten-odd years or so for the 50/50iers to come through.  the 50/50 rule was an absolute must for any success but was always controversial in unionist communities. Now they have made it harder by dropping that policy and trying to rely on advertising within nationalist communities. 


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on November 09, 2017, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: Spike on November 09, 2017, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 09, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 10:14:25 AM
In the Gaelic life article Brolly wrote:

"Creggans answer to the shocking indictment against them has been "no comment." It is a fine club and has done great work over the last 20 years, but there is something rotten to the core that they need to address now"

Don't think that specifically refers to the community Kickham but can see your point!
:)

The club is the centre of the community in Creggan.

God, has anybody on this site ever been to Creggan? It consists of two pubs, a primary school, with the club in the middle of them all.

You're commenting to a wider audience here Kickham.  Don't forget the cottage and the redevelopment of mclarnons!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 09, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2017, 12:06:32 PM


How do you do this though? Serious question. Should they have recruited Guards or British officers??

Most top level jobs in the police force are managerial.
Any well educated and capable person who understands law could do these roles in conjunction with serving members of the force. It happens all over the world and in all civic departments.
Usually military and police are promoted from within but they are often subject to politicians such as Mayors or Department heads. The Minister for health does not need to be a doctor, the Chief Executive of the NHS does not need to be a doctor and the manager of a hospital does not need to be a doctor.
Why this isn't applied to the PSNi is any ones guess.
There is no administrative reason not to change many at the top.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 09, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
I was born in the late 80's, so I could be seen as these new 50/50 generation, if you ask me do I trust the police? Not a chance. It still stinks of sectarianism. We read every day in papers about botched investigations or collusion, why would we want to join that force. I get Owen's point about how no-one is to blame for attacks but the perpetrators, but at the same time the police didn't do their utmost to prevent it. We grew up reading about the Omagh bombs messed up investigation, Drumcree, Collusion and in recent years Camp Twadell. They do nothing to help themselves. But in a weird paradox, I would never join them myself, but if some young nationalist wanted to join now because he wanted to change the status quo, I could understand why.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The security forces/MI5 etc run this sectarian hellhole as a British statelet. And we all know the British establishment would resort to anything for propaganda purposes. It's not inconceivable that they'd make up dissident threats, stop rush hour traffic, stop and search, raise the security threat level etc, to convince the public that's these boys are at it again. It suits their whole agenda, that every unionist are lawful, peaceful people that just want to live quietly, and these cowboys are continually wrecking the place.

Security forces always seem to find some sort of a device or guns at the very same time that Sinn Fein are under talks/negotiations. That's why no matter the amount of catholic coppers in this hole, the underlining agenda will always be anti-nationalist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 09, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The security forces/MI5 etc run this sectarian hellhole as a British statelet. And we all know the British establishment would resort to anything for propaganda purposes. It's not inconceivable that they'd make up dissident threats, stop rush hour traffic, stop and search, raise the security threat level etc, to convince the public that's these boys are at it again. It suits their whole agenda, that every unionist are lawful, peaceful people that just want to live quietly, and these cowboys are continually wrecking the place.

Security forces always seem to find some sort of a device or guns at the very same time that Sinn Fein are under talks/negotiations. That's why no matter the amount of catholic coppers in this hole, the underlining agenda will always be anti-nationalist.

Jesus, that's sad!  Well with people like you keeping the fires burning with this propaganda we'll continue to be a sectarian shithole!

So you're saying there is no dissidents, just law bidding people being picked on, catholic law biding people, with no axe to grind you say? Hmmm now since, oh I'd say the late 80's I've not been searched, arrested, sent to gaol or anything else... but you'd much prefer the cops don't close roads or evacuate people if there is the possibility of a device, and should a device go off and kill someone you'd probably say the cops knew about it and did nothing the feckers!!

Feck you're a busted record, grow up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: east down gael on November 09, 2017, 07:20:56 PM
Are you deliberately misrepresenting what he said MR2?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 09, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 09, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on November 08, 2017, 04:36:54 PM

Disagree, he referred to the community being rotten to the core on the Friday before the response, which put the club in a no win situation, either forced to issue a statement to Joe's liking, or ridiculed for issuing a statement not to Joe's liking.

Where was this, Kickham?

Excellent posts from you on this thread by the way, providing some much needed context and nuance to the story.

I would agree. Actually shows some accuracy and brings a balance here.

I feel for heffron in many ways. Almost seems like he has been used for a self serving agenda here.

I very much doubt there are many clubs who would have done too much differently.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 09, 2017, 07:20:56 PM
Are you deliberately misrepresenting what he said MR2?
You explain where in my post I represented what he said? As I can see he said MI5 run the show and anything that happens is because the Brits want it to happen!

Are you confused to what he said? Otherwise you are an backing him and actually think that bombing people to bits was the peelers fault at Omagh!! Get a feck life please
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2017, 12:03:59 AM
You're the one who brought up omagh. No one said it was the ruc that did it,or suggested it. The point was that possibly dissident bomb threats might be concocted.not all of them,but possibly some in order to inconvenience those in nationalist areas in order to thwart support for dissidents. Are you telling me that is not a possibility? You yourself have stated before it was a dirty war,with the battle for hearts and minds a huge part of that war.no need for the shite at the end of your post either,it's a discussion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on November 10, 2017, 03:02:59 AM
So let me ask a really stupid question.

Instead of complaining about the PSNI, why dont Catholics flood the ranks and take over?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 10, 2017, 07:21:41 AM
One reason would be there are stillpeople who will threaten your life forit. Who wants to go out and have to check your car for a bomb every morning.

There is still possibility of it happening.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
Quote from: east down gael on November 10, 2017, 12:03:59 AM
You're the one who brought up omagh. No one said it was the ruc that did it,or suggested it. The point was that possibly dissident bomb threats might be concocted.not all of them,but possibly some in order to inconvenience those in nationalist areas in order to thwart support for dissidents. Are you telling me that is not a possibility? You yourself have stated before it was a dirty war,with the battle for hearts and minds a huge part of that war.no need for the shite at the end of your post either,it's a discussion.

You are thinking that, it's your thoughts, winning hearts and minds against dissidents isn't difficult and putting up bomb threats won't make any normal law bidding person think any more or less of them!

With respect to Omagh there was a poster that said the cops were to blame
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 10, 2017, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: east down gael on November 10, 2017, 12:03:59 AM
You're the one who brought up omagh. No one said it was the ruc that did it,or suggested it. The point was that possibly dissident bomb threats might be concocted.not all of them,but possibly some in order to inconvenience those in nationalist areas in order to thwart support for dissidents. Are you telling me that is not a possibility? You yourself have stated before it was a dirty war,with the battle for hearts and minds a huge part of that war.no need for the shite at the end of your post either,it's a discussion.

Exactly.

And you're right. I never mentioned Omagh. Nor did I say all events in the troubles were blamed on the security forces/mi5.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: whitey on November 10, 2017, 03:02:59 AM
So let me ask a really stupid question.

Instead of complaining about the PSNI, why dont Catholics flood the ranks and take over?

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Spike on November 10, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

That's not their job. Recruitment is the PSNIs job.  If they are piss poor at it then its hardly SFs fault.  SF were to say it is ok to join, sit on boards, encourage referring of crimes to police, condemn attacks etc etc etc  - and that's what they do.  Its not their job (or any other partys) to hold recruitment fairs, advertise, cajole or push people into it.  Its not the GAAs either.  If PSNI need recruits from nationalist backgrounds then its their job to recruit them. Actions, words, community involvement etc are all needed by the PSNI.     I have never seen them engage with my club, businesses, community groups. Not once. They are not interested.   The local unionist politician to creggan couldn't even get the spelling of their name right.  The PSNI have no interest in the GAA, Unionists have no interest in the GAA.  The GAA is a collection of people from the parish therefore the PSNI needs to engage with all elements in the parish eg schools, community clubs, GAA, local businesses, youth groups etc etc.  The sudden focus on GAA is just a reaction to the article.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
Quote from: Spike on November 10, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

That's not their job. Recruitment is the PSNIs job.  If they are piss poor at it then its hardly SFs fault.  SF were to say it is ok to join, sit on boards, encourage referring of crimes to police, condemn attacks etc etc etc  - and that's what they do.  Its not their job (or any other partys) to hold recruitment fairs, advertise, cajole or push people into it.  Its not the GAAs either.  If PSNI need recruits from nationalist backgrounds then its their job to recruit them. Actions, words, community involvement etc are all needed by the PSNI.     I have never seen them engage with my club, businesses, community groups. Not once. They are not interested.   The local unionist politician to creggan couldn't even get the spelling of their name right.  The PSNI have no interest in the GAA, Unionists have no interest in the GAA.  The GAA is a collection of people from the parish therefore the PSNI needs to engage with all elements in the parish eg schools, community clubs, GAA, local businesses, youth groups etc etc.  The sudden focus on GAA is just a reaction to the article.   

I am not saying that SF should recruit for the PSNI but we have yet to see any genuine and unequivocal statement from SF to encourage young people to join the community police force as a career and a statement to their supporters that the community and community workers should engage with the community police for the benefit of all.

PSNI do a very good job in engaging with the community in schools, colleges, youth groups and community events but they do rely on invitations to get involved and replies to their offers to become involved in schools, youth groups, etc.  Given the considerable antagonism, resentment and fear I have witnessed in some of those involved in these organisations when the PSNI have made offers to become involved or to offer services then it is not surprising that people don't see the PSNI involved in their local areas and organisations.  Just look at the storm recently created by SF with regard to a tweet from a school regarding information given by a visiting PSNI officer. Is it any wonder that leaders in schools and youth organisations have become wary about involving PSNI in providing key services to their organisations?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

If I knew who they were I wouldn't be asking you to name them.

SF joined the Police Boards and supported policing as a consequence of the St Andrew's agreement as the only way that the DUP would partner them in an Executive and allow them into government.

Quote
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

What does this mean?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.

Wise up you pri#k, did I say move on or forget. You don't know who is reading this I said stop bandying it about like a political football in an argument on a gaa forum, have a bit of respect
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.

Wise up you pri#k, did I say move on or forget. You don't know who is reading this I said stop bandying it about like a political football in an argument on a gaa forum, have a bit of respect

I have the utmost respect for all of those killed and maimed in the conflict and firmly believe that they should never be forgotten or used in some twisted analysis of the conflict to excuse the perpetrators.  It was first raised and used as a political football by your fellow county man Il Bomber Destro, perhaps you would like to take up the issue with him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 10, 2017, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
Quote from: Spike on November 10, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

That's not their job. Recruitment is the PSNIs job.  If they are piss poor at it then its hardly SFs fault.  SF were to say it is ok to join, sit on boards, encourage referring of crimes to police, condemn attacks etc etc etc  - and that's what they do.  Its not their job (or any other partys) to hold recruitment fairs, advertise, cajole or push people into it.  Its not the GAAs either.  If PSNI need recruits from nationalist backgrounds then its their job to recruit them. Actions, words, community involvement etc are all needed by the PSNI.     I have never seen them engage with my club, businesses, community groups. Not once. They are not interested.   The local unionist politician to creggan couldn't even get the spelling of their name right.  The PSNI have no interest in the GAA, Unionists have no interest in the GAA.  The GAA is a collection of people from the parish therefore the PSNI needs to engage with all elements in the parish eg schools, community clubs, GAA, local businesses, youth groups etc etc.  The sudden focus on GAA is just a reaction to the article.   

I am not saying that SF should recruit for the PSNI but we have yet to see any genuine and unequivocal statement from SF to encourage young people to join the community police force as a career and a statement to their supporters that the community and community workers should engage with the community police for the benefit of all.

PSNI do a very good job in engaging with the community in schools, colleges, youth groups and community events but they do rely on invitations to get involved and replies to their offers to become involved in schools, youth groups, etc.  Given the considerable antagonism, resentment and fear I have witnessed in some of those involved in these organisations when the PSNI have made offers to become involved or to offer services then it is not surprising that people don't see the PSNI involved in their local areas and organisations.  Just look at the storm recently created by SF with regard to a tweet from a school regarding information given by a visiting PSNI officer. Is it any wonder that leaders in schools and youth organisations have become wary about involving PSNI in providing key services to their organisations?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496)

Imagine that, nationalists were angry that the PSNI were advertising for a branch of the British armed forces. Do you expect SF to start advertising for them too?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:21:08 AM


If I knew who they were I wouldn't be asking you to name them.

It will only open another debate we won't agree on. I'll pass.

QuoteSF joined the Police Boards and supported policing as a consequence of the St Andrew's agreement as the only way that the DUP would partner them in an Executive and allow them into government.

yes, I agree it was that also.

QuoteWhat does this mean?

Regardless of any truth in it or not - If i joined the PSNI I would have a fear of leaving myself open to manipulation from ranks higher than community police and not exclusive to the police.
No matter how much SF preached the opposite it wouldn't change that fear.

This is a legacy issue, not a community police issue. It must be viewed in context with the legacy we inherit. I am a product of that legacy. Some people see today or yesterday as a starting point. I don't, I see it as a line going back decades. SF cannot change how I see it.
I would not attempt to prevent anyone joining the PSNI. I would not encourage anyone to join. I do not believe nationalists joinging the PSNI will serve to address the problems of the past. And as these problem have not been addressed they are now the problems of the present and will be the problems of the future. The only way nationalists will join in big numbers is if this is addressed or enough time passes that they are no longer an issue. Neither of those has happened yet.
I know there are many that share that opinion with me. Disagreeing with me is fine but saying my fears aren't real as part of that argument means nothing to me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 10, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
Quote from: Spike on November 10, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:15:41 AM

If SF truly believed in having a community police force then it would be encouraging and championing the recruitment of young Catholics but it doesn't, simply paying lip service to PSNI support while sitting on the Policing Boards.  Just another Adams' strategy to maintain community agitation and strife.

That's not the full story though and you know it.

Policing doesn't start or stop at community policing. There are no complaints about police dealing with shoplifting or drink driving.
If your issue is with SF then you only only fighting a small part of the problem. This problem has many players including SF.

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

That's not their job. Recruitment is the PSNIs job.  If they are piss poor at it then its hardly SFs fault.  SF were to say it is ok to join, sit on boards, encourage referring of crimes to police, condemn attacks etc etc etc  - and that's what they do.  Its not their job (or any other partys) to hold recruitment fairs, advertise, cajole or push people into it.  Its not the GAAs either.  If PSNI need recruits from nationalist backgrounds then its their job to recruit them. Actions, words, community involvement etc are all needed by the PSNI.     I have never seen them engage with my club, businesses, community groups. Not once. They are not interested.   The local unionist politician to creggan couldn't even get the spelling of their name right.  The PSNI have no interest in the GAA, Unionists have no interest in the GAA.  The GAA is a collection of people from the parish therefore the PSNI needs to engage with all elements in the parish eg schools, community clubs, GAA, local businesses, youth groups etc etc.  The sudden focus on GAA is just a reaction to the article.   

I am not saying that SF should recruit for the PSNI but we have yet to see any genuine and unequivocal statement from SF to encourage young people to join the community police force as a career and a statement to their supporters that the community and community workers should engage with the community police for the benefit of all.

PSNI do a very good job in engaging with the community in schools, colleges, youth groups and community events but they do rely on invitations to get involved and replies to their offers to become involved in schools, youth groups, etc.  Given the considerable antagonism, resentment and fear I have witnessed in some of those involved in these organisations when the PSNI have made offers to become involved or to offer services then it is not surprising that people don't see the PSNI involved in their local areas and organisations.  Just look at the storm recently created by SF with regard to a tweet from a school regarding information given by a visiting PSNI officer. Is it any wonder that leaders in schools and youth organisations have become wary about involving PSNI in providing key services to their organisations?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37998496)

I don't think British Armed forces should be promoted in schools. But, that tweet was misleading if the principal has given an accurate view of what happened
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.

Wise up you pri#k, did I say move on or forget. You don't know who is reading this I said stop bandying it about like a political football in an argument on a gaa forum, have a bit of respect

I have the utmost respect for all of those killed and maimed in the conflict and firmly believe that they should never be forgotten or used in some twisted analysis of the conflict to excuse the perpetrators.  It was first raised and used as a political football by your fellow county man Il Bomber Destro, perhaps you would like to take up the issue with him.

I didn't direct it at you you tool until you backed it up with a stupid response
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.

Wise up you pri#k, did I say move on or forget. You don't know who is reading this I said stop bandying it about like a political football in an argument on a gaa forum, have a bit of respect

I have the utmost respect for all of those killed and maimed in the conflict and firmly believe that they should never be forgotten or used in some twisted analysis of the conflict to excuse the perpetrators.  It was first raised and used as a political football by your fellow county man Il Bomber Destro, perhaps you would like to take up the issue with him.

I didn't direct it at you you tool until you backed it up with a stupid response

Classy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on November 10, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
I came in here to ask why Joe Brolly hates Barry McGuigan so much... wish I hadn't its pretty disheartening stuff above!  :(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 10, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
I came in here to ask why Joe Brolly hates Barry McGuigan so much... wish I hadn't its pretty disheartening stuff above!  :(

Probably just another one in a fairly long list.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.
Just out of interest do you agree with people who won't let what the security forces and RUC did go? The people who still condemn the PSNI for their failure to deal with some legacy cases and believe that until they deal with that, that they are a bias police force? Too often these people are told to move on as well (As by some posters on this board). There's hypocrisy on both sides.   



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
A vicious circle thats never ending it seems... It's a pity people wont let go, I can imagine seeking justice would be your primary role in life if you have lost a loved one, thats over 3,500 who died over the troubles that families won't let go and i get that, a proper truth commission is the only way.. once through that then people can heal (of sorts)

I didnt realise there was still that much bitterness on here, doesn't take much for it to rise to the surface
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 10, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Still no need to be calling posters names like p***k and tool.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 10, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Still no need to be calling posters names like p***k and tool.

Oh aye because that's the biggest issue in here! I told him to stop bandying about the Omagh bomb in some republican/psni debate he is having and have a bit of respect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 05:35:03 PM
You can't select it based on who was getting paid, whether it's a justified cause or not! Only justified to the people carrying it out! You'd be giving the same justification to the UVF UDA and other loyalist 'freedom fighters'  then!

Truth commission needs to take in everyone, warts and all! It will be painful but you can't cherry pick
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 10, 2017, 05:38:05 PM
Is therealdonald a tongue in cheek WUM  or a poor brainwashed shinnerbot?
A truth commission where only some people are required to tell the truth ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 10, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 10, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
I came in here to ask why Joe Brolly hates Barry McGuigan so much... wish I hadn't its pretty disheartening stuff above!  :(

Probably because he's achieved more in sporting terms.

Could also be he's trying to be controversial saying he doesn't like Barry. Never met Barry but he comes across as a extremely likeable bloke. I'd say most people would think similar.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 10, 2017, 05:53:38 PM
He isn't too popular amongst some of the boxing world.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 10, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Boys stop throwing the Omagh bomb around a stupid GAA forum, leave it at that.

It should never be left.  It is an inconvenient truth for some that the IRA killed and maimed more from the Catholic community than any of the other agents in conflict.  Too many want to 'move on' and forget the 31 dead and hundreds of the forgotten who carry their wounds every day as well as all those others who were killed and maimed by the IRA/UVF/UDA and others under their flags of convenience over 30 years.  Then you have the hypocrisy of SF who want some to 'move on' but want others to have special treatment for their deaths.
Just out of interest do you agree with people who won't let what the security forces and RUC did go? The people who still condemn the PSNI for their failure to deal with some legacy cases and believe that until they deal with that, that they are a bias police force? Too often these people are told to move on as well (As by some posters on this board). There's hypocrisy on both sides.

No problem with them not letting the security forces and RUC go for past failure so long as the focus is still kept on the slaughter of innocent civilians.  Ask the family of Tom Oliver and others in similar situations how they were told to move on and to let it go, that investigations into the cases of their loved ones should never go ahead while demands for past investigations increase.

PSNI are being condemned for not dealing with legacy cases but until the Historical Enquiry Team was disbanded and in the absence of the arrangements for legacy investigation from the 2015 Fresh Start Agreement between SF and DUP, legacy issues were not within its remit.  Because SF/DUP have failed to move on with legacy cases and UK government fails to release funding for coroners, the legacy cases have fallen on the PSNI and they do not have enough funding so they are resisting, hoping that the new arrangements will arrive soon.  There is no case of bias.

In the meantime, PSNI is dealing with other legacy matters by investigating past crimes which remain unsolved and new evidence comes forward.  SF shouts when these investigations come close to home then it becomes political policing.  UVF/UDA shout when their crimes are followed up because IRA crimes are being let go. Meanwhile, Justice is underfunded and PSNI struggles to maintain community policing.  MI5 has full control of fighting IRA/UDA/UVF.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:34:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2017, 05:53:38 PM
He isn't too popular amongst some of the boxing world.

Don't think Karl is very fond of him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?

War is war. Mistakes happen. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire unfortunately. Whilst we're asking the IRA to apologise for killing civilians will we email Donald Trump and ask him to apologise for Hiroshima? Or was that a more justified massacre of civilians? Like it or lump it, the Catholic/ Nationalist community wouldn't have the rights or chances we have without the IRA campaign. Now the Catholic ''Middle-Class'' will never acknowledge this but its fact.

And as for Barry McGuigan, horrible person. Barney screwed him and he screwed Frampton
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?

War is war. Mistakes happen. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire unfortunately. Whilst we're asking the IRA to apologise for killing civilians will we email Donald Trump and ask him to apologise for Hiroshima? Or was that a more justified massacre of civilians? Like it or lump it, the Catholic/ Nationalist community wouldn't have the rights or chances we have without the IRA campaign. Now the Catholic ''Middle-Class'' will never acknowledge this but its fact.

And as for Barry McGuigan, horrible person. Barney screwed him and he screwed Frampton

Except where the same innocent people are the deliberate target. Not sure you can count the killings at Kingsmill as being due to the factory workers being 'caught in the crossfire' or the diners from the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motor Cycle Club at the La Mon Restaurant or the shoppers in the Abercorn restaurant in the same way.

Please read the posts, no one is asking the IRA for an apology for the killing and maiming of so many innocent civilians.

IRA never secured a single right for anyone, it became a propaganda tool for Adams to get SF into Stormont to govern the state that the IRA was supposed to overthrow and create a 32 county republic according to its own constitution.  BTW SF never secured a single right for anyone either.  Time for you to read a little more than the propaganda you have been fed for so long.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on November 10, 2017, 10:26:35 PM
I thought that Brendan Crossan had a very good article in today's Irish News about how it was bestowing nationalists/republicans to reflect for a minute themselves and ask if they would have reacted any differently. I would concur with his view and Creggan were unfortunate in that the same situation would undoubtedly have occurred at dozens of clubs throughout the province. The original article from Brolly was brave and he knew full well he would get plenty of flak over his defence of Heffron. On a human level you would want to be totally heartless not to feel sympathy for him and his daily suffering. Even in the reaction to his plight, plenty of republicans have more or less shown a complete apathy to his situation. To be alienated and isolated by your own people must be the worst feeling in the world. Yes, he knew the fragility of the situation he was stepping into but thar doesn't excuse the complete futility of that bomb.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?

War is war. Mistakes happen. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire unfortunately. Whilst we're asking the IRA to apologise for killing civilians will we email Donald Trump and ask him to apologise for Hiroshima? Or was that a more justified massacre of civilians? Like it or lump it, the Catholic/ Nationalist community wouldn't have the rights or chances we have without the IRA campaign. Now the Catholic ''Middle-Class'' will never acknowledge this but its fact.

And as for Barry McGuigan, horrible person. Barney screwed him and he screwed Frampton

Holy feck! I've heard it now!! Brainwashed!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 11, 2017, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
A vicious circle thats never ending it seems... It's a pity people wont let go, I can imagine seeking justice would be your primary role in life if you have lost a loved one, thats over 3,500 who died over the troubles that families won't let go and i get that, a proper truth commission is the only way.. once through that then people can heal (of sorts)

I didnt realise there was still that much bitterness on here, doesn't take much for it to rise to the surface

There is no chance you or anyone else would ask Peadar to 'let go'. It would be unfair to ask that. He has some horrible injuries and trauma caused by someone else. In fact, we would expect him to not let go or move on. Nor would we describe him as bitter. We would all argue he has a right to be angry and frustrated but would not use the word 'bitter'.
THis applies to all victims. There are many victims on all sides. Some victims deal with it in a different way to others. Victims should not be expected to have the same approach as each other nor the same approach as non victims. To ask them to 'let it go' is inhumane. It needs a much wider all inclusive approach.

A poster claimed earlier that it doesn't take much to stir up the bitterness. This is not the case. For that poster this is a reminder. One which pops up now and then. Victims live with reminders everyday. Peadar does not need a headline story or a national debate to remind him of how he feels.

There is a hierarchy of victims. There always is. There is a wider acceptance that those hurt by security forces in some way, regardless of who they are, hold some of the responsibility. If not then the community do, or the political leaders do etc. It is clearer to see the outrage of prisoners being abused in Guatanamo Bay by Irish people yet accusations of torture in Ireland do not cause outrage. There is blame attached to the victims here.

There is never the same innocence applied to victims of the security forces. That's the winners writing the history as we watch it unfold. Victims of security forces are asked to let it go or to move on much more than victims of paramilitaries. I think it's wrong to ask this of any victim. Addressing it is the only cure, forgetting or ignoring won't solve anything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PMG1 on November 11, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
Joe will be putting his wits against Crossmaglen tomorrow with the st. Brigids U16 team in the Paul McGirr Ulster U16 Tournament, will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on November 12, 2017, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?

War is war. Mistakes happen. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire unfortunately. Whilst we're asking the IRA to apologise for killing civilians will we email Donald Trump and ask him to apologise for Hiroshima? Or was that a more justified massacre of civilians? Like it or lump it, the Catholic/ Nationalist community wouldn't have the rights or chances we have without the IRA campaign. Now the Catholic ''Middle-Class'' will never acknowledge this but its fact.

And as for Barry McGuigan, horrible person. Barney screwed him and he screwed Frampton

What a gobshite you are
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 11, 2017, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 10, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
A vicious circle thats never ending it seems... It's a pity people wont let go, I can imagine seeking justice would be your primary role in life if you have lost a loved one, thats over 3,500 who died over the troubles that families won't let go and i get that, a proper truth commission is the only way.. once through that then people can heal (of sorts)

I didnt realise there was still that much bitterness on here, doesn't take much for it to rise to the surface

There is no chance you or anyone else would ask Peadar to 'let go'. It would be unfair to ask that. He has some horrible injuries and trauma caused by someone else. In fact, we would expect him to not let go or move on. Nor would we describe him as bitter. We would all argue he has a right to be angry and frustrated but would not use the word 'bitter'.
THis applies to all victims. There are many victims on all sides. Some victims deal with it in a different way to others. Victims should not be expected to have the same approach as each other nor the same approach as non victims. To ask them to 'let it go' is inhumane. It needs a much wider all inclusive approach.

A poster claimed earlier that it doesn't take much to stir up the bitterness. This is not the case. For that poster this is a reminder. One which pops up now and then. Victims live with reminders everyday. Peadar does not need a headline story or a national debate to remind him of how he feels.

There is a hierarchy of victims. There always is. There is a wider acceptance that those hurt by security forces in some way, regardless of who they are, hold some of the responsibility. If not then the community do, or the political leaders do etc. It is clearer to see the outrage of prisoners being abused in Guatanamo Bay by Irish people yet accusations of torture in Ireland do not cause outrage. There is blame attached to the victims here.

There is never the same innocence applied to victims of the security forces. That's the winners writing the history as we watch it unfold. Victims of security forces are asked to let it go or to move on much more than victims of paramilitaries. I think it's wrong to ask this of any victim. Addressing it is the only cure, forgetting or ignoring won't solve anything.

I don't know where to start with this reply... there is no difference or hierarchy of victims of the troubles, whether he was a peeler shot at his front door or an IRA man shot on active duty to the innocent victim caught out by a bomb blast, all victims all suffering, all wanting closure if they didn't get it!

There has been over 3,500 deaths I'd say 20% of those deaths the perpetrators were caught and a closure of sorts given, though with the GFA they were let out of gaol.

If we continue to go down the route of trying to solve every case it will take another 30 years and millions of money! A proper truth commission will at least give closure to the majority of those cases, in most cases the police know who did it but didn't have the evidence to prove it... I never said it would be easy to let go, the bitterness will always be there..

If we don't move on then we'll not get proper policing shared communities integrated schools and intergrated living! Seems for most that's not what they are looking for
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 10, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 10, 2017, 10:48:08 AM

Who are they?  Why does SF not go all out to ensure that Catholics would feel comfortable in a career in community policing?

You know who they are.

I'm banging my head against a wall here. Your problem with policing is really your problem with SF.
Again with the Community policing. Not that I care what SF do most of the time but they do support community policing. They have no choice as communities need policing. The only reason they joined the board was to break the wall between communities and police. They didn't do nor can they do it, to break the legacy of policing or the culture of political policing.
Can you accept that community policing is not the barrier to feeling safe?

Exactly, SF are not a recruitment agency. PSNI are responsible for that. Milltown mentioned a Truth Commission, it seems a plausible idea but SF can never go for it. That truth commission should only be for those members of the security forces and/or informants who wronged imo. Anyone else were unpaid citizens of the state who were carrying out what they seen as a justified campaign. If SF sign up for a full truth commission they could be throwing some of their own under the bus.

Doubt if they would claim to be citizens of the state they were trying overthrow.  However, I would be interested in them justifying the killing of so many civilians, being the killers of the greatest number of Catholics and particularly their sectarian murders such as Kingsmills, La Mon, Enniskillen and so many more.

Does being paid by the IRA through robberies and overseas fundraising not count for the IRA members?

War is war. Mistakes happen. Innocent people get caught in the crossfire unfortunately. Whilst we're asking the IRA to apologise for killing civilians will we email Donald Trump and ask him to apologise for Hiroshima? Or was that a more justified massacre of civilians? Like it or lump it, the Catholic/ Nationalist community wouldn't have the rights or chances we have without the IRA campaign. Now the Catholic ''Middle-Class'' will never acknowledge this but its fact.


Who told you that, Gerry Adams?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 09, 2017, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 09, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Now we have fake dissident threats!! You are properly blinded lad... Omagh was fake you'll be telling me next, you probably blame the media for that or the police! I know who you won't blame

The Police have to take a share of the blame for Omagh for both letting it happen and the subsequent investigation which makes you ponder.

No one has responsibility or blame for the killing of 29 innocents in Omagh other than the IRA members who planned the attack, built the bomb, delivered it to Omagh, set the timer, failed to give correct details of the position of the bomb, helped all involved to escape and have given them support and kept them safe since 1998. 

According to your twisted analysis the fault for all similar atrocities by the IRA, for example in Enniskillen, La Mon House Hotel, Claudy, etc, belongs to the police. 

In the same way do you believe that the Garda has responsibility for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings?

I certainly think security forces not acting on information that could have prevented a bombing certainly bear a responsibility. I don't defend the bombers but the RUC certainly have to take a portion of the blame, through incompetence or for political capital information which could have stopped the bombing was ignored by the RUC and MI6.

I think the Gardai and Irish Government share a great deal of responsibility for not bringing justice to the families of the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which has the fingerprints of British involvement all over them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Plant a bomb take responsibility... police kill an innocent persons take responsibility... Ive no problem in apportioning blame, it's a murky business but nobody knows who was in bed with who in this.. but don't be a dick a claim that the police are to blame for Omagh
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Plant a bomb take responsibility... police kill an innocent persons take responsibility... Ive no problem in apportioning blame, it's a murky business but nobody knows who was in bed with who in this.. but don't be a dick a claim that the police are to blame for Omagh

So security forces not acting on intelligence that can prevent bombings and killings of innocent people is an irrelevance?

Dissident republicans are rejected by the majority of the nationalist community. I don't see anyone supporting their bombings here. You on the other hand want to censure any concerns about the security forces of this state failing the duty they are tasked with, the safety of its citizens.

The PSNI or RUC (as they were in their previous guise) are a state security force that are tasked with protecting the citizens of the state and what you seem to be telling us is that is perfectly ok for them to ignore or not act on intelligence that puts people lives at risk?

And you wonder why many nationalists have a problem supporting them?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.

One line on the bombers ........ and just to say it was 'wrong'. You d think they parked in a disabled parking slot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?

Not censoring anything, just not willing to enter a debate on how IRA/UVF/UDA killers can be excused of their actions in slaughtering so many innocent people during 30 years of conflict.  The same logic that would excuse members of security services of their killings because their colleagues failed to stop them through incompetence or for political capital. Or perhaps take it a step further to conclude that Peter Sutcliffe is excused of killing 13 women because the police in Yorkshire were incompetent or were wanting to make some other point by not stopping him.  Truly twisted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 12, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.

Can just picture you now, in combat gear,  St Bridget's cross on wall, image of the fallen GPO with Connelly on a chair! Wolf tones on the radio and you smoking a pipe while reading the Republican news!

Look lad answer this one and for a change forget about the peelers MI5 and the rest, not one poster is saying that they were not involved in cover ups killings or anything else you think..

Do you think that the person/s who organised and planted the bomb in Omagh and Enniskillen killed them on their own ? Because if they hadn't have planted a bomb then the police wouldn't have (in your words) through incompetence and political gain contributed to the death of these innocent people?

If you try and justify it with that crap again then I'd say your as guilty as the ones that did it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:57:46 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?

Not censoring anything, just not willing to enter a debate on how IRA/UVF/UDA killers can be excused of their actions in slaughtering so many innocent people during 30 years of conflict.  The same logic that would excuse members of security services of their killings because their colleagues failed to stop them through incompetence or for political capital. Or perhaps take it a step further to conclude that Peter Sutcliffe is excused of killing 13 women because the police in Yorkshire were incompetent or were wanting to make some other point by not stopping him.  Truly twisted.

who is excusing them? As far as I'm aware nobody has defended the bombers here in relation to Peader Heffron but people have articulated why they could not support or may have objected to a person they knew joining the PSNI which were legitimate attitudes to have.

Legitimacy of bombers is a straw man argument in this discussion. Dissident republicans have little support in the wider nationalist community these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.

Seriously ? Wise up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.

Seriously ? Wise up

Yes, seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What was Ray McCartney in jail for?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 13, 2017, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html)

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What was Ray McCartney in jail for?
From Wiki:

On 12 January 1979 at Belfast Crown Court McCartney and  Eamonn MacDermott were convicted of the murder of Detective Constable Patrick McNulty of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, who was shot several times outside a garage in Derry on 27 January 1977. McCartney was also convicted of IRA membership and the murder of businessman Jeffery Agate in February 1977, and was sentenced to life imprisonment. On 15 February 2007 McCartney and MacDermott had their murder convictions quashed by the Court of Appeal, following an investigation by the Criminal Cases Review Commission in 2002. The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland declined to compensate McCartney and McDermott on the grounds that they had not proven themselves innocent. The decision was appealed to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom which, in May 2011, found in favour of the applicants, opening the way for a substantial compensation claim from both for their prison terms of 15 and 17 years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:35:35 AM
So in short McCartney was in jail for absolutly F**K all
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on November 14, 2017, 12:42:46 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:35:35 AM
So in short McCartney was in jail for absolutly F**K all

Yes he was never a member of the IRA like Gerry Adams was never a member of the URA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on November 14, 2017, 07:57:48 AM
This thread must have discussed some amount of topics in its time . . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2017, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....
Let's ban any comments that aren't approved by SF?
Or maybe take the poster to a shed and......




Make them listen to Brolly for 2 hours
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2017, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.

Seeing as your inferences are utterly bizarre and illogical, I think it is you who is behaving like a fascist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on November 14, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2017, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.

Seeing as your inferences are utterly bizarre and illogical, I think it is you who is behaving like a fascist.

Your constant republican bashing does get a bit boring all right Mr Brannigan. Maybe you have your reasons but it's pretty relentless.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.

There's free speech for all, is actually 1 of the benefits of SF being the biggest party in Ireland. Everyone gets an opinion. But of course you cant admit to that because of your Middle of the road tinted spectacles.....

Anyway back to Brolly, his love with Slaughtneil is starting to wear thin, I think he's setting them up for a fall.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: vallankumous on November 14, 2017, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 04:03:18 PM

There's free speech for all, is actually 1 of the benefits of SF being the biggest party in Ireland. Everyone gets an opinion. But of course you cant admit to that because of your Middle of the road tinted spectacles.....

Anyway back to Brolly, his love with Slaughtneil is starting to wear thin, I think he's setting them up for a fall.

Or swimming two ends of the pool.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2017, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 14, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2017, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.

Seeing as your inferences are utterly bizarre and illogical, I think it is you who is behaving like a fascist.

Your constant republican bashing does get a bit boring all right Mr Brannigan. Maybe you have your reasons but it's pretty relentless.

I think SF are behind the police having agreed to be on the policing boards...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
Here we go again, another anti-SF person. Change the record guys....

Typical fascist response to anyone willing to offer opposition to the party line.  Free speech only if you are willing to support SF?  Your Board handle is well chosen.

There's free speech for all, is actually 1 of the benefits of SF being the biggest party in Ireland. Everyone gets an opinion.
I've read some sh1te in my time but this one takes the biscuit altogether :o :D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
You need to realise when someones being a WUM on this board.It's too easy winding people up
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
You're not bad at it donald :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2017, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 14, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
You're not bad at it donald :D

I do stand by SF though, I think they've done more in the North and will continue to do so than any other party. But 75% the time I'm only winding people up, especially the Owen types who get all self-righteous ye know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 18, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
Joe isn't happy his buddy Fergal P got looked over for the Derry U-20 job - and he's stopping giving money to Club Derry

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/931887386367324161
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 18, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Was very surprised to see Derry appoint a Tyrone manager. I can see Brolly's point. Tyrone wouldnt put a Derry coach over a county team, I think though clubs here like to pay the south Derry lads
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on November 24, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html)

Paul Kimmage‏
@PaulKimmage

RTE apologise for the only thing that made this shite watchable. Incredible.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Scoring Zone on November 25, 2017, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Was very surprised to see Derry appoint a Tyrone manager. I can see Brolly's point. Tyrone wouldnt put a Derry coach over a county team, I think though clubs here like to pay the south Derry lads

Derrys in bother if they need that man, and some kick in the teeth for McCusker. Tyrones gain getting him out of the road.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on November 26, 2017, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Was very surprised to see Derry appoint a Tyrone manager. I can see Brolly's point. Tyrone wouldnt put a Derry coach over a county team, I think though clubs here like to pay the south Derry lads

You've a very short memory. Tyrone had a derry man in charge of their u21s a few years ago and he was close to getting the senior job also. Peter Doherty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on November 26, 2017, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: lenny on November 26, 2017, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Was very surprised to see Derry appoint a Tyrone manager. I can see Brolly's point. Tyrone wouldnt put a Derry coach over a county team, I think though clubs here like to pay the south Derry lads

You've a very short memory. Tyrone had a derry man in charge of their u21s a few years ago and he was close to getting the senior job also. Peter Doherty.

Lenny, Peter Doherty has been living in Tyrone for the best part of 30 yrs, probably there longer than he was in Derry. There is a considerable distance between him taking Tyrone u21s and what Derry did, appointing Donnelly without as much as letting Mc Custer know they didn't want his services, and let's remember it wasn't as if he was doing poorly, they were in the u21final last year. There was clear year in year improvement. If they had of appointed someone who was an outstanding coach I could at least swallow it, but they haven't. Seen two seasons of senior management in Ardboe, never seen another senior club afterwards
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on November 29, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 24, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html)

Paul Kimmage‏
@PaulKimmage

RTE apologise for the only thing that made this shite watchable. Incredible.

I very rarely, if ever, agree with the Dungiven Gimp on anything, but I'm with him 100% re Barry the Brit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on November 29, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: red hander on November 29, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 24, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html)

Paul Kimmage‏
@PaulKimmage

RTE apologise for the only thing that made this shite watchable. Incredible.

I very rarely, if ever, agree with the Dungiven Gimp on anything, but I'm with him 100% re Barry the Brit

You are welcome to each other
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on November 29, 2017, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 29, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: red hander on November 29, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 24, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/rte-apologise-for-comments-made-by-eamon-dunphy-and-joe-brolly-36350378.html)

Paul Kimmage‏
@PaulKimmage

RTE apologise for the only thing that made this shite watchable. Incredible.

I very rarely, if ever, agree with the Dungiven Gimp on anything, but I'm with him 100% re Barry the Brit

You are welcome to each other

Lick the back of them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2018, 10:57:22 PM
f**king Mailie is worse than Tubs... has he ever heard of a follow up question??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 17, 2018, 11:01:19 PM
The more you hear him giving off about SKY the more you realize he just wants more airtime for himself. Making very dangerous comments about Creggan GAA now, just after talking about the grassroots GAA and what they do.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on January 17, 2018, 11:18:50 PM
Worst interview/ interviewer I've ever sat through.  Mailie was god awful, scattergun questioning giving no fluidity to it. Maybe that's what he planned as Joe certainly couldn't rest on his laurels, he was on his toes the whole time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Targetman on January 17, 2018, 11:19:40 PM
He just said the monarchy was as relevant as Jedward, a bit harsh on Jedward!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2018, 11:22:15 PM
I'd say it's edited the whole way with it just thrown together without any thought
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 17, 2018, 11:24:51 PM
Was nothing new... Brolly has consistently said 99% of that before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on January 17, 2018, 11:59:43 PM
Wonder what the Dungiven ones think of him portraying each and every one of them as supporters of violent republican activities ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AhNowRef on January 18, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 17, 2018, 11:59:43 PM
Wonder what the Dungiven ones think of him portraying each and every one of them as supporters of violent republican activities ?

Yep, was thinking that myself  ???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 18, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
I have to say I think he answered some of the questions quite well, particularly the tough one about the GAA and unionism.  I think he left food for thought for unionists and how they have messed up with the RC middle class.  All the rest was a series of soundbites, poorly edited and with Mallie trying to steal the limelight.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on January 18, 2018, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Seany on January 17, 2018, 11:01:19 PM
The more you hear him giving off about SKY the more you realize he just wants more airtime for himself. Making very dangerous comments about Creggan GAA now, just after talking about the grassroots GAA and what they do.

What did he say Now!!!!

But rich, since I understand he put an injunction on a response from creggan. Injunction Joe not happy when someone challenges his version of events but he is happy to slag them off
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on January 18, 2018, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 18, 2018, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Seany on January 17, 2018, 11:01:19 PM
The more you hear him giving off about SKY the more you realize he just wants more airtime for himself. Making very dangerous comments about Creggan GAA now, just after talking about the grassroots GAA and what they do.

What did he say Now!!!!

But rich, since I understand he put an injunction on a response from creggan. Injunction Joe not happy when someone challenges his version of events but he is happy to slag them off

How on earth would he do that??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?

No, you see....you are looking at things in a 2 dimensional sense. Joe doesn't look at things that way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on January 18, 2018, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?

No, you see....you are looking at things in a 2 dimensional sense. Joe doesn't look at things that way.

So a man nearly at the top of his profession in the North, and he can't see things in a 2-D sense? You're opening up a can of worms regards to Kevin Lynch. There is a world of difference between both examples.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on January 18, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2018, 11:22:15 PM
I'd say it's edited the whole way with it just thrown together without any thought

That could describe all locally made TV, to be fair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 18, 2018, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?

No, you see....you are looking at things in a 2 dimensional sense. Joe doesn't look at things that way.

So a man nearly at the top of his profession in the North, and he can't see things in a 2-D sense? You're opening up a can of worms regards to Kevin Lynch. There is a world of difference between both examples.

That was Joe's answer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on January 18, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
Put a f**king muzzle on him day buck
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on January 18, 2018, 07:00:48 PM
" It was to commemorate the death of a 23-year-old (Kevin Lynch), who was one of us, regardless of his sins"

I wonder what the people of Dungiven would think of him saying 'sins'.

I'm not in the fecking country and I still cant get away from his shit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 18, 2018, 10:56:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 18, 2018, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?

No, you see....you are looking at things in a 2 dimensional sense. Joe doesn't look at things that way.

So a man nearly at the top of his profession in the North, and he can't see things in a 2-D sense? You're opening up a can of worms regards to Kevin Lynch. There is a world of difference between both examples.

That was Joe's answer.
Joe can look at an event and appreciate the multi dimensions, that's how he can select the dimension that fits his agenda and be good at his profession.
When confronted by a blatant contradiction, Joe can even find a dimension that enables him to minimise the import of that contradiction in the greater good of the moral crusade.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 18, 2018, 10:56:53 PM
The obvious question that no one has asked Joe is "What if Peadar Heffron had been a Dungiven man?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on January 18, 2018, 11:01:09 PM
Complete Bullshitter and hypocrite,the GAA and legal profession's equivalent to Bono.Do as I say not as I do
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 18, 2018, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2018, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 18, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Did he not contradict himself re: Kevin Lynch? Brolly despises violence, criticises those who attacked Heffron, but is happy with the naming of the club after Lynch?

No, you see....you are looking at things in a 2 dimensional sense. Joe doesn't look at things that way.

So a man nearly at the top of his profession in the North, and he can't see things in a 2-D sense? You're opening up a can of worms regards to Kevin Lynch. There is a world of difference between both examples.

To be fair, Joe himself opened up said can of worms.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: slippery dodger on January 19, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
Colm Parkinson had a pretty lengthy and interesting interview with Joe on the latest GAA Hour podcast
https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/joe-brolly-talks-about-important-gaa-issueswooly-mostly-listens#t=27:54
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 19, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: slippery dodger on January 19, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
Colm Parkinson had a pretty lengthy and interesting interview with Joe on the latest GAA Hour podcast
https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/joe-brolly-talks-about-important-gaa-issueswooly-mostly-listens#t=27:54
I'd need subtitles to understand what Joe is mumbling.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 21, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-greed-has-turned-the-gaa-calendar-into-a-farce-36509682.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-greed-has-turned-the-gaa-calendar-into-a-farce-36509682.html)

Tomás Ó Sé: Greed has turned the GAA calendar into a farce
Top players are facing organisational chaos because the Gordon Gekko gospel has taken control and managers must lead move to change

You know that scene in the movie 'Wall Street' where Gordon Gekko is preaching the beauty of greed to stockholders?
Where he puts the boot into what he calls the "bureaucrats" at the top table and a culture of "survival of the unfittest"? Well, it's Michael Douglas's face I see when I think of the best inter-county managers at this time of year. It's his voice I hear, telling players "greed is good, greed is right, greed works, greed clarifies..."
You see, everywhere you turn in the GAA today, people are giving out about inequality.

I was listening in the car to 'Terrace Talk' on Radio Kerry last Monday night and Tim Murphy, Kerry county chairman, suggesting that one of the biggest problems the GAA is going to have to tackle over the next 10-15 years is the decline in rural GAA clubs, specifically those along the west coast.
On the same programme, the chairman of Valentia told how they still have a 51-year-old togging out as they try, desperately, to keep fielding a team. The natural movement to urban areas through a lack of broadband, never mind work opportunities, is devastating a lot of GAA clubs in the West.

The GAA is the most powerful sports organisation in Ireland and Tim Murphy's view is that it should be flexing its muscle on this very kind of issue. Joe Brolly makes the same kind of argument, suggesting that the new director-general, whoever it proves to be, basically needs to oversee a dramatic change in direction for the Association, focusing more on club than county.

They're both right, of course. But they're also selling a Utopia.

I mean are you telling me that Páraic Duffy, as outgoing director-general, hasn't been sincere in trying to tackle these very issues? I believe 100 per cent that he has.
Self-interest

But change has to start in the mirror. It has to start with people parking self-interest when, deep down, they can see a player is being run into the ground. If that doesn't happen, the path to change just isn't navigable. And, deep down, I suspect that that's precisely what Duffy has discovered.


The thing is there's no magic wand here. Everybody has a cup they want to win.

And I can absolutely understand county managers feeling the need to be ruthless. We all saw what Jim McGuinness achieved in Donegal by absolutely dictating to the county board when they could and couldn't have club activity. Donegal won the All-Ireland in 2012, only the second in their history.
Would they have won it with a county board 'yes-man' at the helm?

Eamonn Fitzmaurice's only job in Kerry this year is to get his hands on Sam Maguire. Do you think he gives a fiddler's about third-level colleges or clubs? And who'd blame him - he has about 40 of the most talented footballers in the country at his disposal, which means he's got a real shot at the biggest prize of all. No more than Jim Gavin or Stephen Rochford or Mickey Harte then, he can justify whatever demands on players that he makes.

And, trust me, those counties are putting in every bit as much training time today as the professional rugby players of Munster and Leinster.
But in the weaker counties? That's where the real cracks are beginning to show now in the GAA. Look at Waterford not being represented in the Munster club football championship this season because their county championship wasn't finished in time. In fact, I read this week that three of the eight Waterford county football championships for 2017 have yet to be completed. The week before that, the story was told of how last year's South Tipperary final was only played on January 7, four months after the semi-finals.
This is embarrassing.

I played with Kerry seniors from age 18 to 35, always knowing I had a chance of winning. Not a hope would I have stayed around for so long if that chance of winning wasn't there. In the bulk of counties today, it palpably isn't.

And the squeeze on players is becoming unsustainable. Now nobody applies that squeeze intentionally; nobody's in the business of wilfully causing damage. But self-interest kicks in at every level of management. Selfishness takes over.
Greed becomes good.

So you can t**ker all you like with the calendar, you can ring-fence your month for club activity, you can warn against player burnout, but none of this is worth a fart in a church if the people at the coal-face, in other words the managers, don't put a player's long-term well-being ahead of their own short-term interest.

At its most basic level, a young inter-county footballer has at least three masters to keep happy now. County, club and college. Take Brian ó Beaglaoich from my neck of the woods, An Ghaeltacht. He's got National League with Kerry, then championship.
He's got league with club, county championship, county club championship, local league and local championship. So he's, potentially, got five competitions to play with An Ghaeltacht alone. Then he's got the third-level colleges league and Sigerson Cup with UCC. Think about that.

Freed

Okay, realistically, he's not going to play in the West Kerry League. And he probably won't have trained with his club any more than once or twice before a championship game, albeit the fact they're in the All-Ireland intermediate semi-finals might mean he's been freed up a little more.
But beyond their All-Ireland involvement? The club might see him another ten times before the business of the county is finished, which we're all hoping in Kerry will be early September. Theoretically, ó Beaglaoich could be asked then to play in nine different competitions this year. And who is going to shout stop?

I can understand Brolly's concern that we're heading down the same road as rugby here. I'm no big rugby expert, but I do remember when the AIL was a competition that drew in huge crowds. You'd see Thomond Park thronged for a Shannon-Garryowen derby, even though the game might be on RTé.

Now? All the best young players flood into the provincial academies, their club connections nothing more than a convenient name in brackets. Put it this way, I've no idea what club Jamie Heaslip is connected to. Or Simon Zebo? And even if I did, I'd ask when was the last time that club saw them?
Elitism has taken over and the clubs are just pale shadows of their former selves. Still great people involved, still volunteers putting in endless hours, but - by and large - nobody giving them the support they need. Nobody caring.

I was reading Nicky English's comments last week about the importance of Fitzgibbon Cup hurling in his life. It was largely his experience with Canon O'Brien at UCC that prepped him for inter-county hurling. But, in recent years, English has been in charge of UCD and he's been watching the competition become slowly undermined.

And I thought Nicky made one very important point. We have all these bursaries and scholarships being offered for players to go to these colleges, yet every roadblock imaginable is then put up to stop them playing for the same college.
Why? Because the county manager is God.

About five years ago, I took charge of a Freshers team at UCC and it was a real eye-opener to discover how the college exists so far down the food chain. And, trust me, it's ten times worse today. Trying to train a college team now for Fitzgibbon or Sigerson has to be a nightmare. I was involved with Billy Morgan in UCC last year and the first time we had all of our elite players together last year was on the Sigerson weekend itself. Club and county always took precedence until then. Now I was at every single UCC training session in that time and, without fail, Billy's first questions to every county player on arrival were "Are you ok to train?"

"What have you done this week?" "How tough was it?"
How many inter-county managers ask those questions? Trust me, players don't want to turn anybody down. These UCC players are desperate to play for Billy, a legend of the game. But the man's respect for these lads is too deep for him to take advantage of that desperation. Unlike other managers, he walks the walk when it comes to work-life balance for young players in his care. Seems to me that others just talk out both sides of their mouth, droning on about player welfare when, in actual fact, their way is to run these young fellas into the ground.

The end result is that nobody is getting 100pc out of these players. Everybody's getting a skeleton.

There was a big fallout in Kerry last year to not winning the last ever All-Ireland U-21 title. For a county that's now stitched four minor All-Irelands in a row, maybe we thought it was our God-given right. So Jack O'Connor is feeling the heat now in charge of the U-20s. What do they do? They go training in November for a competition that starts in June. Now I'm not specifically picking on Jack here because others are doing exactly the same, but this sums up for me so much of what is wrong with the GAA today.

When you have county U-20 management teams warning college managers against training their players too hard - and they themselves have started training them eight months out from a competition - can we really take any of this seriously anymore?
And the bad news is this isn't going to change. When you think of how naturally fit these young players are, is it not absolute madness to be training them in November for a competition starting eight months later? And the fact an U-20 tournament is even scheduled to throw in around the time the Leaving Cert starts? Ah Jesus, spare me.

Look I'm not beating the college drum just because I was involved last year with UCC. And I absolutely understand that competitions like the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon are nothing more than a pain in the rear end for county boards. They've zero interest. I get that. But, as a football man, I can tell you Sigerson is some competition where you get to watch top inter-county players play a more open brand of football.

I would love to see these players at their best in every competition, but everything's too squashed for that to be ever possible. And if people don't want the Sigerson, scrap it I say. But don't be giving it half-hearted approval. Our GAA calendar is a farce as it stands.

What I'm saying is that the top players are facing organisational chaos and, no matter what the GAA's efforts are to free up the calendar for clubs, nothing will really change until and unless all county managers buy into the idea.
The point is the only reason we're not seeing top players at their best for club and college is because of needless time spent training at inter-county. And that's a serious challenge for the new director-general.

I say that knowing, hand on heart, I was totally selfish as a county man. If I'm honest, I didn't give a damn about Mary I or An Ghaeltacht for a long time. And I sometimes think, had I been a very good servant to the college or club, I wouldn't have been the player I was for Kerry. You see, I had a strong enough personality to make myself unavailable to both when it didn't suit me to train.

In a sense, my ability to be a b****x probably worked in my favour long-term. But a lot of today's players don't have that ability. They spend their time trying to humour too many people, so much so I'd say it almost becomes a relief when they arrive into their mid-20s and no longer have Fitzgibbon or Sigerson to worry about. But you're just replacing one stress point with another then because they're probably now trying to push on with their careers.

Look, there's no simple solution here, but there are some pretty obvious tweaks to be made.

I mean what in the name of God are we still doing with the McGrath Cup in Munster, now that only three teams are participating? At least when colleges were involved, you had about a dozen teams involved at one stage. Today? It's a farce. Get rid of it. Let the league be the start of the inter-county season.

And why is there a two-and-a-half-month gap between provincial club finals and All-Ireland semis? The weather? You're not exactly solving that problem by resuming in February are you?

I'd love a radical overhaul of the GAA, but it's just not going to happen. If Páraic Duffy couldn't do it, I doubt very much there's anyone out there who can. Because the culture of Gordon Gekko prevails. It probably always will. The big bosses get whatever they want.

And the rest just pick up the broken pieces.

*******************
The simple solution is staring everyone in the face
players are only allowed to be part of one squad above club level
so its either third level or county
senior county or U20
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2018, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 21, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-greed-has-turned-the-gaa-calendar-into-a-farce-36509682.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-greed-has-turned-the-gaa-calendar-into-a-farce-36509682.html)

Tomás Ó Sé: Greed has turned the GAA calendar into a farce
Top players are facing organisational chaos because the Gordon Gekko gospel has taken control and managers must lead move to change

You know that scene in the movie 'Wall Street' where Gordon Gekko is preaching the beauty of greed to stockholders?
Where he puts the boot into what he calls the "bureaucrats" at the top table and a culture of "survival of the unfittest"? Well, it's Michael Douglas's face I see when I think of the best inter-county managers at this time of year. It's his voice I hear, telling players "greed is good, greed is right, greed works, greed clarifies..."
You see, everywhere you turn in the GAA today, people are giving out about inequality.

I was listening in the car to 'Terrace Talk' on Radio Kerry last Monday night and Tim Murphy, Kerry county chairman, suggesting that one of the biggest problems the GAA is going to have to tackle over the next 10-15 years is the decline in rural GAA clubs, specifically those along the west coast.
On the same programme, the chairman of Valentia told how they still have a 51-year-old togging out as they try, desperately, to keep fielding a team. The natural movement to urban areas through a lack of broadband, never mind work opportunities, is devastating a lot of GAA clubs in the West.

The GAA is the most powerful sports organisation in Ireland and Tim Murphy's view is that it should be flexing its muscle on this very kind of issue. Joe Brolly makes the same kind of argument, suggesting that the new director-general, whoever it proves to be, basically needs to oversee a dramatic change in direction for the Association, focusing more on club than county.

They're both right, of course. But they're also selling a Utopia.

I mean are you telling me that Páraic Duffy, as outgoing director-general, hasn't been sincere in trying to tackle these very issues? I believe 100 per cent that he has.
Self-interest

But change has to start in the mirror. It has to start with people parking self-interest when, deep down, they can see a player is being run into the ground. If that doesn't happen, the path to change just isn't navigable. And, deep down, I suspect that that's precisely what Duffy has discovered.


The thing is there's no magic wand here. Everybody has a cup they want to win.

And I can absolutely understand county managers feeling the need to be ruthless. We all saw what Jim McGuinness achieved in Donegal by absolutely dictating to the county board when they could and couldn't have club activity. Donegal won the All-Ireland in 2012, only the second in their history.
Would they have won it with a county board 'yes-man' at the helm?

Eamonn Fitzmaurice's only job in Kerry this year is to get his hands on Sam Maguire. Do you think he gives a fiddler's about third-level colleges or clubs? And who'd blame him - he has about 40 of the most talented footballers in the country at his disposal, which means he's got a real shot at the biggest prize of all. No more than Jim Gavin or Stephen Rochford or Mickey Harte then, he can justify whatever demands on players that he makes.

And, trust me, those counties are putting in every bit as much training time today as the professional rugby players of Munster and Leinster.
But in the weaker counties? That's where the real cracks are beginning to show now in the GAA. Look at Waterford not being represented in the Munster club football championship this season because their county championship wasn't finished in time. In fact, I read this week that three of the eight Waterford county football championships for 2017 have yet to be completed. The week before that, the story was told of how last year's South Tipperary final was only played on January 7, four months after the semi-finals.
This is embarrassing.

I played with Kerry seniors from age 18 to 35, always knowing I had a chance of winning. Not a hope would I have stayed around for so long if that chance of winning wasn't there. In the bulk of counties today, it palpably isn't.

And the squeeze on players is becoming unsustainable. Now nobody applies that squeeze intentionally; nobody's in the business of wilfully causing damage. But self-interest kicks in at every level of management. Selfishness takes over.
Greed becomes good.

So you can t**ker all you like with the calendar, you can ring-fence your month for club activity, you can warn against player burnout, but none of this is worth a fart in a church if the people at the coal-face, in other words the managers, don't put a player's long-term well-being ahead of their own short-term interest.

At its most basic level, a young inter-county footballer has at least three masters to keep happy now. County, club and college. Take Brian ó Beaglaoich from my neck of the woods, An Ghaeltacht. He's got National League with Kerry, then championship.
He's got league with club, county championship, county club championship, local league and local championship. So he's, potentially, got five competitions to play with An Ghaeltacht alone. Then he's got the third-level colleges league and Sigerson Cup with UCC. Think about that.

Freed

Okay, realistically, he's not going to play in the West Kerry League. And he probably won't have trained with his club any more than once or twice before a championship game, albeit the fact they're in the All-Ireland intermediate semi-finals might mean he's been freed up a little more.
But beyond their All-Ireland involvement? The club might see him another ten times before the business of the county is finished, which we're all hoping in Kerry will be early September. Theoretically, ó Beaglaoich could be asked then to play in nine different competitions this year. And who is going to shout stop?

I can understand Brolly's concern that we're heading down the same road as rugby here. I'm no big rugby expert, but I do remember when the AIL was a competition that drew in huge crowds. You'd see Thomond Park thronged for a Shannon-Garryowen derby, even though the game might be on RTé.

Now? All the best young players flood into the provincial academies, their club connections nothing more than a convenient name in brackets. Put it this way, I've no idea what club Jamie Heaslip is connected to. Or Simon Zebo? And even if I did, I'd ask when was the last time that club saw them?
Elitism has taken over and the clubs are just pale shadows of their former selves. Still great people involved, still volunteers putting in endless hours, but - by and large - nobody giving them the support they need. Nobody caring.

I was reading Nicky English's comments last week about the importance of Fitzgibbon Cup hurling in his life. It was largely his experience with Canon O'Brien at UCC that prepped him for inter-county hurling. But, in recent years, English has been in charge of UCD and he's been watching the competition become slowly undermined.

And I thought Nicky made one very important point. We have all these bursaries and scholarships being offered for players to go to these colleges, yet every roadblock imaginable is then put up to stop them playing for the same college.
Why? Because the county manager is God.

About five years ago, I took charge of a Freshers team at UCC and it was a real eye-opener to discover how the college exists so far down the food chain. And, trust me, it's ten times worse today. Trying to train a college team now for Fitzgibbon or Sigerson has to be a nightmare. I was involved with Billy Morgan in UCC last year and the first time we had all of our elite players together last year was on the Sigerson weekend itself. Club and county always took precedence until then. Now I was at every single UCC training session in that time and, without fail, Billy's first questions to every county player on arrival were "Are you ok to train?"

"What have you done this week?" "How tough was it?"
How many inter-county managers ask those questions? Trust me, players don't want to turn anybody down. These UCC players are desperate to play for Billy, a legend of the game. But the man's respect for these lads is too deep for him to take advantage of that desperation. Unlike other managers, he walks the walk when it comes to work-life balance for young players in his care. Seems to me that others just talk out both sides of their mouth, droning on about player welfare when, in actual fact, their way is to run these young fellas into the ground.

The end result is that nobody is getting 100pc out of these players. Everybody's getting a skeleton.

There was a big fallout in Kerry last year to not winning the last ever All-Ireland U-21 title. For a county that's now stitched four minor All-Irelands in a row, maybe we thought it was our God-given right. So Jack O'Connor is feeling the heat now in charge of the U-20s. What do they do? They go training in November for a competition that starts in June. Now I'm not specifically picking on Jack here because others are doing exactly the same, but this sums up for me so much of what is wrong with the GAA today.

When you have county U-20 management teams warning college managers against training their players too hard - and they themselves have started training them eight months out from a competition - can we really take any of this seriously anymore?
And the bad news is this isn't going to change. When you think of how naturally fit these young players are, is it not absolute madness to be training them in November for a competition starting eight months later? And the fact an U-20 tournament is even scheduled to throw in around the time the Leaving Cert starts? Ah Jesus, spare me.

Look I'm not beating the college drum just because I was involved last year with UCC. And I absolutely understand that competitions like the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon are nothing more than a pain in the rear end for county boards. They've zero interest. I get that. But, as a football man, I can tell you Sigerson is some competition where you get to watch top inter-county players play a more open brand of football.

I would love to see these players at their best in every competition, but everything's too squashed for that to be ever possible. And if people don't want the Sigerson, scrap it I say. But don't be giving it half-hearted approval. Our GAA calendar is a farce as it stands.

What I'm saying is that the top players are facing organisational chaos and, no matter what the GAA's efforts are to free up the calendar for clubs, nothing will really change until and unless all county managers buy into the idea.
The point is the only reason we're not seeing top players at their best for club and college is because of needless time spent training at inter-county. And that's a serious challenge for the new director-general.

I say that knowing, hand on heart, I was totally selfish as a county man. If I'm honest, I didn't give a damn about Mary I or An Ghaeltacht for a long time. And I sometimes think, had I been a very good servant to the college or club, I wouldn't have been the player I was for Kerry. You see, I had a strong enough personality to make myself unavailable to both when it didn't suit me to train.

In a sense, my ability to be a b****x probably worked in my favour long-term. But a lot of today's players don't have that ability. They spend their time trying to humour too many people, so much so I'd say it almost becomes a relief when they arrive into their mid-20s and no longer have Fitzgibbon or Sigerson to worry about. But you're just replacing one stress point with another then because they're probably now trying to push on with their careers.

Look, there's no simple solution here, but there are some pretty obvious tweaks to be made.

I mean what in the name of God are we still doing with the McGrath Cup in Munster, now that only three teams are participating? At least when colleges were involved, you had about a dozen teams involved at one stage. Today? It's a farce. Get rid of it. Let the league be the start of the inter-county season.

And why is there a two-and-a-half-month gap between provincial club finals and All-Ireland semis? The weather? You're not exactly solving that problem by resuming in February are you?

I'd love a radical overhaul of the GAA, but it's just not going to happen. If Páraic Duffy couldn't do it, I doubt very much there's anyone out there who can. Because the culture of Gordon Gekko prevails. It probably always will. The big bosses get whatever they want.

And the rest just pick up the broken pieces.

*******************
The simple solution is staring everyone in the face
players are only allowed to be part of one squad above club level
so its either third level or county
senior county or U20

Agreed.

Sigerson and u20 runs concurrently with the league so if any player makes an appearance in the league for their county then they should be ruled ineligible for either of the other competitions.

It will then be up for county management teams to come to an arrangement with u20 and Sigerson coaches about which players they are willing to release.

Thus would relieve the pressure on players to keep all sides happy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 21, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.

How about university players play for their college until they get put out of the sigerson. Then they rejoin their county side. The sigerson could be brought forward a week or 2 to first week in February. That way the players may only miss 1 or 2 league games. That way everyone, particularly the players, is happy and the players get to play in the more important competition at that stage of the season.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 21, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
Interesting that you cannot use the word t**ker.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2018, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 21, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.

How about university players play for their college until they get put out of the sigerson. Then they rejoin their county side. The sigerson could be brought forward a week or 2 to first week in February. That way the players may only miss 1 or 2 league games. That way everyone, particularly the players, is happy and the players get to play in the more important competition at that stage of the season.

Why should universities get preference?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2018, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Skills are more important now than ever when you consider that 1-15 have to be comfortable on the ball, corner backs and full backs will get up the field and will have opportunities in front of the posts, you look at McMahon, Keith Higgins, Frank McGlynn etc all bomb on and take scores. From a Tyrone perspective I can see it with the likes of Tiernan McCann and Colm Cavanagh who have improved the footballing side of their game so much over the past few years.

The one sole ill in the game at the minute is the widening gap between the top teams and the lower teams - it comes down to resources really. The game is now becoming pretty professional and the big counties are able to pull a few strings to allow their players to pretty much dedicate themselves to the game full time and be financially secure.

I saw recently that Lee Chin gave up his job recently. These guys can make an awful lot of money from their profile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on January 21, 2018, 06:42:46 PM
Back in the day the match day program used to give players occupation. I remember meeting a few Tipp supporters who used to enjoy reading the Antrim hurlers profiles. Most or nearly all were in the trades and some unemployed (probably fellas that didn't want to be caught doing the double). The southern teams were mostly made up of bank officials or sales rep. Not exactly an even playing field.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on January 21, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.

The thing is that there is nothing GAA HQ can do to threaten or force the 3rd level institutes to do anything the 3rd level institutes don't want to.

They are as the phrase says a law unto themselves.

The third levels have their own pitches and don't get any money from the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Joe has two, maybe three, articles that he writes on the specific subject of modern gaelic football.
These are rehashed ad infinitum.
They are usually to do with elitism, players hating intercounty football, or a mish-mash of the two.
If someone had handed me that article to read today, I would have been 90% sure it was an old one I'd read before.
Particularly the stuff about gorillas and his oul lad's lada.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ashman on January 21, 2018, 11:10:51 PM
Wonderful of joe to reveal the Corinthian and minimalist approach of the Dublin footballers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 21, 2018, 11:36:08 PM
Just a thought - that county players cannot strip out for their colleges.

That they train and coach the college team, giving them a bit of insight into the difference between playing and coaching, which they will have in their heads when it comes to club/county setup.

It also opens the door for lads to step up and make a name for themselves at college level.

It's never going to happen obviously, too many names being paid to coach and specialise at this level.

But for what? How many people in Ireland could name the Sigerson cup winners of 2017?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 21, 2018, 11:44:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.



Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Joe has two, maybe three, articles that he writes on the specific subject of modern gaelic football.
These are rehashed ad infinitum.
They are usually to do with elitism, players hating intercounty football, or a mish-mash of the two.
If someone had handed me that article to read today, I would have been 90% sure it was an old one I'd read before.
Particularly the stuff about gorillas and his oul lad's lada


He still gets everyone talking or commenting on what he is saying. What's the line on the people get the government they deserve?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on January 22, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 21, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.

The thing is that there is nothing GAA HQ can do to threaten or force the 3rd level institutes to do anything the 3rd level institutes don't want to.

They are as the phrase says a law unto themselves.

The third levels have their own pitches and don't get any money from the GAA.
Sort of obvious when you put it like that. Maybe they could still outline to players that if you play for your college then you can't represent your senior county team in that same year. Maybe a little unfair to pressurise the players admittedly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on January 22, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
Maybe its time for the players to tell these coaches to "feck off. I'm going to play and train with my club and generally limit my involvement so that I have a life"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2018, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2018, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 21, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 21, 2018, 11:15:24 AM
Couldn't agree more. Do the colleges hold some power I'm not aware of? It seems very obvious but in all the small changes that have been made, the colleges never seem to be touched.

How about university players play for their college until they get put out of the sigerson. Then they rejoin their county side. The sigerson could be brought forward a week or 2 to first week in February. That way the players may only miss 1 or 2 league games. That way everyone, particularly the players, is happy and the players get to play in the more important competition at that stage of the season.

Why should universities get preference?
The Sigerson is the primary competition for colleges. The league is a secondary competition for Counties. If it was Ryan cup v Championship the primacy would be reversed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Joe has two, maybe three, articles that he writes on the specific subject of modern gaelic football.
These are rehashed ad infinitum.
They are usually to do with elitism, players hating intercounty football, or a mish-mash of the two.
If someone had handed me that article to read today, I would have been 90% sure it was an old one I'd read before.
Particularly the stuff about gorillas and his oul lad's lada.
Aye, it seemed to be a few stock anecdotes pulled out to pad out a dig at Poacher.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 22, 2018, 11:40:27 AM
...a few unpleasant digs at Poacher alright, who is by all accounts a really good coach, works hard at developing his abilities and is a decent guy.  Last week he had a dig at Bernard Brogan.  Each week he picks another person to hit, while throwing a few others under the bus with totally out of context quotations by them that backs up his point.

Surely everyone has caught on to him by now.  A very clever fella, but a  bit nuts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on January 22, 2018, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Joe has two, maybe three, articles that he writes on the specific subject of modern gaelic football.
These are rehashed ad infinitum.
They are usually to do with elitism, players hating intercounty football, or a mish-mash of the two.
If someone had handed me that article to read today, I would have been 90% sure it was an old one I'd read before.
Particularly the stuff about gorillas and his oul lad's lada.
They're always framed with name-dropping from encounters at Grade 1 grassroots occasions.
His schtick about older football being better craic, usually involves an anecdote about some caveman full back committing GBH and how they all still get a great laugh about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 22, 2018, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 22, 2018, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
They were talking about Joe's latest offering today on the OTB paper review on Newstalk.
Apparently he is lamenting the 'fact' that players don't practice skills on their own anymore and everything is so regimented.
The presenter responded to this by saying that every top player they have on says they DO in fact practice their skills on their own, i.e. heading up to the local field with a bag of balls to practice their shooting etc.
My problem with Joe is his reliance on repetitive anecdotes (many of which are rehashed in today's article) and sweeping generalisations.
He is very selective with the evidence he uses to support his assertions, which is ironic given his line of work.

Here's the thing. Joe is out of the loop! How does he know what players do? He has not been involved in intercounty for 20 years! He's relying on hearsay and soundbites.

Also there are different strokes for different folks. I can understand the Likes of Dean Rock and Cillian spending extra time  practicing their skills on their own,  I'd imagine less of this time is spent by back or a midfielder for that matter.

Joe has two, maybe three, articles that he writes on the specific subject of modern gaelic football.
These are rehashed ad infinitum.
They are usually to do with elitism, players hating intercounty football, or a mish-mash of the two.
If someone had handed me that article to read today, I would have been 90% sure it was an old one I'd read before.
Particularly the stuff about gorillas and his oul lad's lada.
They're always framed with name-dropping from encounters at Grade 1 grassroots occasions.
His schtick about older football being better craic, usually involves an anecdote about some caveman full back committing GBH and how they all still get a great laugh about it.

I did laugh to myself about this when listening to the GAA hour podcast as Joe reached for his phone to read out the text message from Peter Quinn who had text him to say what a great job Joe was doing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 28, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
Another version of his single transferable rant this week. He's the Chris de Burgh of opinion writers. Chris had about three good songs and all his other songs were versions of those three songs. But none of his songs had a message that was genuine or thought out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 28, 2018, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

Yea because the Dublin media officer would allow the players send unsolicited messages to Joe Brolly of all people, still his fanboys lap it up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2018, 08:07:20 PM
While I've little doubt that Joe is quite happy to bend his sources a little, do you really believe that the Dublin media officer has a big brother style control over his county players' private messaging?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 28, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

I'm only speculating here but those 2 texts do not sound plausible at all. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 28, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

Westmeath abandoned their blanket defence against Dublin in the Leinster semi final. Played with ambition and adventure. How did that end? Still Blanchflower would have been proud that they played with expression and lost by a lorry load of points!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 28, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2018, 08:07:20 PM
While I've little doubt that Joe is quite happy to bend his sources a little, do you really believe that the Dublin media officer has a big brother style control over his county players' private messaging?

To media figures absolutely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 28, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

I'm only speculating here but those 2 texts do not sound plausible at all. I could be wrong though.

Just got a text off one of the Dubs and he reckons Joe's full of sh*t.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 28, 2018, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 28, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

I'm only speculating here but those 2 texts do not sound plausible at all. I could be wrong though.

Just got a text off one of the Dubs and he reckons Joe's full of sh*t.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Brolly? WTF?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on January 28, 2018, 08:57:24 PM
Got one myself from a Dublin midfielder who says there's a chronic incontinence problem within the squad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Would anyone expect that Alan Shearer and Harry's Kane might have each other's number and might pop a wee text when there's a story of interest to both? Or maybe George Hook and Jonny Sexton?

I would.

And as such I don't think it would be even slightly unusual for high profile GAA players to send text messages to the highest profile pundits, and vice versa. There's a network in place and they're all part of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on January 28, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Would anyone expect that Alan Shearer and Harry's Kane might have each other's number and might pop a wee text when there's a story of interest to both? Or maybe George Hook and Jonny Sexton?

I would.

And as such I don't think it would be even slightly unusual for high profile GAA players to send text messages to the highest profile pundits, and vice versa. There's a network in place and they're all part of it.

There's more chance of joe being called to line out for the Dublin seniors than Johnny sexton sending a clampit like George hook a text. What f**king planet are you living on?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 09:23:04 PM
Yeah, Hook and Sexton are great pals.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on January 28, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
Anyone have joe's number there?

I'd like to text him and tell him he's talking through his hole. Judging by his articles he must get more calls in a year than the Samaritans.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on January 28, 2018, 09:30:52 PM
Anyone in the public eye should have more sense than to say anything to Brolly (unless you would like to be quoted by him in some paper or radio station)
I wonder what Mr Reavey thinks of being quoted?(that if he did say what Brolly has quoted him )
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 09:32:02 PM
Joe's life consists of reading a constant stream of text messages from whistle-blowing inter-county players, while driving between dinner dances.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on January 28, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
I really need him to tell me another time how good Slaughtneil are. Despite never having won the club All-Ireland I just really need to know how many of them turned up to park cars at the chairman's granny's wake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2018, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 28, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Sounds like the Dubs have him on speed-dial.

'The day after it was written I got the following text: "I enjoyed your scientific gobbledegook piece today Joe. I cannot believe a fella is getting paid to coach defensive transition. F*** me (I will not include the colour he added). This is what's wrong with the game. You don't need to transition unless you've brought everyone back. Pathetic."

The text just happened to come from one of the best players in the country and a key member of the four-time All-Ireland-winning Dublin senior team.

Shortly afterwards, I got another text, from another member of that same team. It reads as follows: "Pissing myself here. Blast off transition? WTF? We push up and make teams kick long, so we don't need to transition. Fellas are 1 v 1. When we win the ball back, we move the ball to the attackers at speed. If Philly or Jonny win the ball they move it to the half-backs and they move it on. Transition is bollox."

What would those two boys know? They only have eight All-Irelands between them. Living in the bloody dark ages.'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-lets-stop-players-dying-of-boredom-36537929.html)

I'm only speculating here but those 2 texts do not sound plausible at all. I could be wrong though.

could narrow it down. How many of the Dublin team have 4 AI medals as opposed to 5 or 3 or less?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 29, 2018, 11:23:04 AM

You believe a Dublin player actually texted him?

:o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Not particularly but Id like to know who he reckons sent them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on January 29, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Would anyone expect that Alan Shearer and Harry's Kane might have each other's number and might pop a wee text when there's a story of interest to both? Or maybe George Hook and Jonny Sexton?

I would.

And as such I don't think it would be even slightly unusual for high profile GAA players to send text messages to the highest profile pundits, and vice versa. There's a network in place and they're all part of it.


There's more chance of joe being called to line out for the Dublin seniors than Johnny sexton sending a clampit like George hook a text. What f**king planet are you living on?

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 02:07:22 PM
James McCarthy more than likely, he hung out with him in Boston in 2016. Not sure who else.

He could be just lying.

Brolly is a chancer. It's the lads who think they are getting the truth when they listen or read him I worry for.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on January 29, 2018, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
Anyone have joe's number there?

I'd like to text him and tell him he's talking through his hole. Judging by his articles he must get more calls in a year than the Samaritans.
Don't. He will be quoting you next.
"a high profile Tyrone footballer, texted me this week to say I was more popular than the Samaritans. I wont say who it was to save his blushes but he was from the same club as Sean Donnelly who once hit Jim McConville who said to me when he was parking cars,....... I was told the same thing by X, weren't the old days great, I wish I was still playing, when does this mid-life crisis end?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 29, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Brolly says things aggressively and forcefully and you nearly believe it yourself, even though you know he's full of shite. He does it for a living everyday in court, so he's used to spinning shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2018, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

He did even worse. Shortly after Tyrone won their last AI, Brolly went overboard with his praise for Mickey and his merry men. According to Brolly, Tyrone  would be the dominant force in Gaelic football for a long time to come.
It was all a matter of finance and with Tyrone making the most of what they were getting by way of community funding, arising from the GFA, they had the structures in place, from underage to senior level to burn off any opposition, no matter where it came from. Others in the Six were getting money too but weren't spending it as wisely as Tyrone.




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2018, 05:29:40 PM
Used to really like Brolly, most recent attack on Aiden O'Shea is terrible stuff though. Can't really dress it up any other way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on January 29, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Mr anti elitism and yet so far up Dublin's arse. Irony.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

he has often advocated a tiered system... thats why 80% make up the numbers
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

he has often advocated a tiered system... thats why 80% make up the numbers

Never heard him advocate it, wouldn't be in favour anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

he has often advocated a tiered system... thats why 80% make up the numbers

Never heard him advocate it, wouldn't be in favour anyway.

Is why football championship is a mess. Div 1 teams V Div 4   nonsense
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on January 29, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

But they do have the ability to organize a boycott of the county games. 90% of county attendances would be loyal club people who 1st alliance is with club issues. They the organized a 1 day boycott of national league attendances, the GAA would sit up and take notice
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 29, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

But they do have the ability to organize a boycott of the county games. 90% of county attendances would be loyal club people who 1st alliance is with club issues. They the organized a 1 day boycott of national league attendances, the GAA would sit up and take notice

They don't have that ability. All they have at the moment is 20000 people who signed up online. That is grand but what does it really mean?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 29, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

he has often advocated a tiered system... thats why 80% make up the numbers

Never heard him advocate it, wouldn't be in favour anyway.

Is why football championship is a mess. Div 1 teams V Div 4   nonsense

Dublin versus division 1 teams ; Tyrone, Monaghan, kildare are non events so problem is far wider than div 1 vs div 4
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on January 30, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 29, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

But they do have the ability to organize a boycott of the county games. 90% of county attendances would be loyal club people who 1st alliance is with club issues. They the organized a 1 day boycott of national league attendances, the GAA would sit up and take notice

They don't have that ability. All they have at the moment is 20000 people who signed up online. That is grand but what does it really mean?

If the CPA wanted to, it could easily impact attendances by organizing a boycott. Remember, it's club members who attend the games so it would not take a lot to influence club members throughout the country not to attend games to put pressure on the GAA to fix the club scheduling issues.

In 2015 Attendances for championship were approx. 900k, for 2016 approx. 800k

The CPA could get 20,000 to influence 10 people each to not attend a round of GAA matches, or even boycott the attending the year.

so 20k x 10 = 200k, which could equate to 20% to 25% reduction in attendances

They could also send out a message, or get rep in each club to organize a boycott by each club.

Even if the CPA were able to reduce attendances by 10%, approx. 90k (15) -80k (16, the GAA would be worried.

It's drastic, but def doable
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 10:18:13 AM
Quote
If the CPA wanted to, it could easily impact attendances by organizing a boycott. Remember, it's club members who attend the games so it would not take a lot to influence club members throughout the country not to attend games to put pressure on the GAA to fix the club scheduling issues.

Wouldn't be so sure, how many of Dublin's supporters would be club members? Lot of people support inter-county without being club members or indeed active club members. A boycott would be an exercise in futility and could be counter-productive. Any boycott proposal would probably see the GAA ramp up the marketing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Whatever about Joe B. talking shite this thread has descended into total nonsense now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 30, 2018, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 29, 2018, 11:23:04 AM

You believe a Dublin player actually texted him?

:o
Why not? Joe is the GAA's Angela McNamara.  One day in the distant future, GAA historians will be able to trace the revolution in GAA thinking directly back to Joe's columns and his apparently accessible agony uncle persona.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on January 30, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Whatever about Joe B. talking shite this thread has descended into total nonsense now.

For all the hatred posters on this MB have towards Joe they still seem to read his column every week.

If Joe looked as this thread he would just start laughing at it and this in turn would lead to another 100 odd pages of abuse.  At this stage some posters are just looking to take offence and the title of the thread title should be changed to "rant and feel better" 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 30, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Who's taken offence?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on January 30, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 30, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Whatever about Joe B. talking shite this thread has descended into total nonsense now.

For all the hatred posters on this MB have towards Joe they still seem to read his column every week.

If Joe looked as this thread he would just start laughing at it and this in turn would lead to another 100 odd pages of abuse.  At this stage some posters are just looking to take offence and the title of the thread title should be changed to "rant and feel better"

Have to agree with you.

Ultimately, what difference does any of this really make? The games are entertainment. The pundits talking about them are entertainment. There is no life or death or even semi-serious life issues at stake here.

I enjoy Joe Brolly, even when I don't agree with him or he is intentionally pushing buttons. I like his enthusiasm and passion, his articulateness (is that a word?) and his cockiness and twinkle in his eye. I like the considered and knowledgeable tactical analysis of Canavan and McGuinness on Sky, but there's room for a bit of hype from Joe and Spillane on RTE too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
The difference it can make is that something he says strikes a chord with a segment of the population and it gathers momentum. Nothing wrong with that you might say. Well there is if his case is full of holes or backed-up by conversations he's imagined. Or if it just generally lacks any balance.

I'm not saying that Brolly is starting a movement but I've met people who throw out the "fair play to Brolly" line but struggle to put up the slightest fight when I offer an alternative view.

This is just my view of course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 30, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Whatever about Joe B. talking shite this thread has descended into total nonsense now.

For all the hatred posters on this MB have towards Joe they still seem to read his column every week.

If Joe looked as this thread he would just start laughing at it and this in turn would lead to another 100 odd pages of abuse.  At this stage some posters are just looking to take offence and the title of the thread title should be changed to "rant and feel better"

Have to agree with you.

Ultimately, what difference does any of this really make? The games are entertainment. The pundits talking about them are entertainment. There is no life or death or even semi-serious life issues at stake here.

I enjoy Joe Brolly, even when I don't agree with him or he is intentionally pushing buttons. I like his enthusiasm and passion, his articulateness (is that a word?) and his cockiness and twinkle in his eye. I like the considered and knowledgeable tactical analysis of Canavan and McGuinness on Sky, but there's room for a bit of hype from Joe and Spillane on RTE too.

Not even when he thrust Creggan into the limelight a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
The difference it can make is that something he says strikes a chord with a segment of the population and it gathers momentum. Nothing wrong with that you might say. Well there is if his case is full of holes or backed-up by conversations he's imagined. Or if it just generally lacks any balance.

I'm not saying that Brolly is starting a movement but I've met people who throw out the "fair play to Brolly" line but struggle to put up the slightest fight when I offer an alternative view.

This is just my view of course.

But are there not plenty of people in the media who DO counter what Brolly says, whether its a mere GAA games issue or something more personal like when he had a go at Colm Cooper over the testimonial?

I'm mainly referring to his GAA commentary, so if he's out there stirring up political stuff or whatever, stuff that does actually matter, that's different.

To Benny, on the Creggan thing - yes, that is a very serious story and he made serious charges, so fair enough, I can see where people would get legitimately upset.

But, you have to admit that Joe is divisive and elicits emotional reactions far beyond the actual importance of the issues when it comes to the football itself during the Sunday Game stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on January 30, 2018, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 30, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Whatever about Joe B. talking shite this thread has descended into total nonsense now.

For all the hatred posters on this MB have towards Joe they still seem to read his column every week.

If Joe looked as this thread he would just start laughing at it and this in turn would lead to another 100 odd pages of abuse.  At this stage some posters are just looking to take offence and the title of the thread title should be changed to "rant and feel better"

Have to agree with you.

Ultimately, what difference does any of this really make? The games are entertainment. The pundits talking about them are entertainment. There is no life or death or even semi-serious life issues at stake here.

I enjoy Joe Brolly, even when I don't agree with him or he is intentionally pushing buttons. I like his enthusiasm and passion, his articulateness (is that a word?) and his cockiness and twinkle in his eye. I like the considered and knowledgeable tactical analysis of Canavan and McGuinness on Sky, but there's room for a bit of hype from Joe and Spillane on RTE too.

Not even when he thrust Creggan into the limelight a few weeks ago?

Beat me to it. His inaccurate article has led to threats, which apparently Joe just brushed off.

He makes up an opinion without any solid research or hard evidence and without any care of repercussions or stresses that his statements will cause. In our case, loose lips can cause lives to be lost
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
The difference it can make is that something he says strikes a chord with a segment of the population and it gathers momentum. Nothing wrong with that you might say. Well there is if his case is full of holes or backed-up by conversations he's imagined. Or if it just generally lacks any balance.

I'm not saying that Brolly is starting a movement but I've met people who throw out the "fair play to Brolly" line but struggle to put up the slightest fight when I offer an alternative view.

This is just my view of course.

But are there not plenty of people in the media who DO counter what Brolly says, whether its a mere GAA games issue or something more personal like when he had a go at Colm Cooper over the testimonial?

I'm mainly referring to his GAA commentary, so if he's out there stirring up political stuff or whatever, stuff that does actually matter, that's different.

To Benny, on the Creggan thing - yes, that is a very serious story and he made serious charges, so fair enough, I can see where people would get legitimately upset.

But, you have to admit that Joe is divisive and elicits emotional reactions far beyond the actual importance of the issues when it comes to the football itself during the Sunday Game stuff.
Well obviously it's not life and death when it relates to football, but he often blurts stuff out and then just laughs off a response when he realises he's stumped. A small example being, when in an interview about the Super 8, he said that by the GAA calling it the Super 8 it just shows how elitist the association is. When the interviewer pointed out that the GAA didn't actually give it that name, he paused and says "well sure it was inevitable". That kind of nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
The difference it can make is that something he says strikes a chord with a segment of the population and it gathers momentum. Nothing wrong with that you might say. Well there is if his case is full of holes or backed-up by conversations he's imagined. Or if it just generally lacks any balance.

I'm not saying that Brolly is starting a movement but I've met people who throw out the "fair play to Brolly" line but struggle to put up the slightest fight when I offer an alternative view.

This is just my view of course.

But are there not plenty of people in the media who DO counter what Brolly says, whether its a mere GAA games issue or something more personal like when he had a go at Colm Cooper over the testimonial?

I'm mainly referring to his GAA commentary, so if he's out there stirring up political stuff or whatever, stuff that does actually matter, that's different.

To Benny, on the Creggan thing - yes, that is a very serious story and he made serious charges, so fair enough, I can see where people would get legitimately upset.

But, you have to admit that Joe is divisive and elicits emotional reactions far beyond the actual importance of the issues when it comes to the football itself during the Sunday Game stuff.
Well obviously it's not life and death when it relates to football, but he often blurts stuff out and then just laughs off a response when he realises he's stumped. A small example being, when in an interview about the Super 8, he said that by the GAA calling it the Super 8 it just shows how elitist the association is. When the interviewer pointed out that the GAA didn't actually give it that name, he paused and says "well sure it was inevitable". That kind of nonsense.

I never denied he talks shite sometimes. I just don't find it something that I really care about either way. I do enjoy watching him though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
The difference it can make is that something he says strikes a chord with a segment of the population and it gathers momentum. Nothing wrong with that you might say. Well there is if his case is full of holes or backed-up by conversations he's imagined. Or if it just generally lacks any balance.

I'm not saying that Brolly is starting a movement but I've met people who throw out the "fair play to Brolly" line but struggle to put up the slightest fight when I offer an alternative view.

This is just my view of course.

But are there not plenty of people in the media who DO counter what Brolly says, whether its a mere GAA games issue or something more personal like when he had a go at Colm Cooper over the testimonial?

I'm mainly referring to his GAA commentary, so if he's out there stirring up political stuff or whatever, stuff that does actually matter, that's different.

To Benny, on the Creggan thing - yes, that is a very serious story and he made serious charges, so fair enough, I can see where people would get legitimately upset.

But, you have to admit that Joe is divisive and elicits emotional reactions far beyond the actual importance of the issues when it comes to the football itself during the Sunday Game stuff.
Well obviously it's not life and death when it relates to football, but he often blurts stuff out and then just laughs off a response when he realises he's stumped. A small example being, when in an interview about the Super 8, he said that by the GAA calling it the Super 8 it just shows how elitist the association is. When the interviewer pointed out that the GAA didn't actually give it that name, he paused and says "well sure it was inevitable". That kind of nonsense.

I never denied he talks shite sometimes. I just don't find it something that I really care about either way. I do enjoy watching him though.
Fair enough. I'm just pointing out that his messing isn't completely harmless, even in football terms. A lot of people pay him attention.

I actually enjoy him on some occasions too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 30, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 29, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 29, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 29, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
Apart from correctly calling out GPA, SKY deal, Tyrone's tactics...

2 years ago he said Tyrone would ambush Dublin..how'd that work out?...he hasn't a notion and nobody that matters listens to him.

sounds like you listen to him  ;D

Well he's hard to avoid. It's the poor unfortunates who think they are getting an insight into modern intercounty football from him that I feel sorry. He's good for an insight on 90s football and the under 16s he coaches and that's it.

I think he's fairly clued in out the GPA and SKY and I feel sorry for the poor unfortunate who is bought in by Murdock and elitism if it's any consolation

Good luck with that, it really seems the GAA are taking huge notice.

Of course they're not, that's why CPA was formed because of treatment of clubs. Good we have people like Joe Brolly to challenge them about it.

In my own opinion there is one huge problem facing the GAA; 80% of football counties are making up the numbers. No ambition or chance to win anything and Brolly almost never mentions it.

Good luck to the CPA but they have no power, no paying membership, no threat of strike. Just a glorified talking shop for now.

But they do have the ability to organize a boycott of the county games. 90% of county attendances would be loyal club people who 1st alliance is with club issues. They the organized a 1 day boycott of national league attendances, the GAA would sit up and take notice

They don't have that ability. All they have at the moment is 20000 people who signed up online. That is grand but what does it really mean?

If the CPA wanted to, it could easily impact attendances by organizing a boycott. Remember, it's club members who attend the games so it would not take a lot to influence club members throughout the country not to attend games to put pressure on the GAA to fix the club scheduling issues.

In 2015 Attendances for championship were approx. 900k, for 2016 approx. 800k

The CPA could get 20,000 to influence 10 people each to not attend a round of GAA matches, or even boycott the attending the year.

so 20k x 10 = 200k, which could equate to 20% to 25% reduction in attendances

They could also send out a message, or get rep in each club to organize a boycott by each club.

Even if the CPA were able to reduce attendances by 10%, approx. 90k (15) -80k (16, the GAA would be worried.

It's drastic, but def doable

Stop dreaming. You think every lad who took 5 minutes to sign as a member for the CPA on the net is going to obey them when they say to not attend games...and you think they could influence 10 others to do the same...sorry but there is no chance of that...the only player I asked he joined  the CPA couldn't remember if he did or he didnt.

All the CPA is for now is a loose body with a big membership but no evidence of having any control over that membership. Talk of boycotts is more realistic than strikes but neither have a hope of happening in the numbers that you say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: east down gael on January 30, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
The CPA won't need to organise a strike or a boycott,for people are fed up and are voting with their feet. I honestly think intercounty football is dying a slow death already. Dublin will walk leinster,kerry the same in Munster. Mayo might get caught in Connaught but will be the only team from that province capable of doing anything at the business end of the season. And Ulster is a toss between Donegal and Tyrone,neither capable of breaking into the top 3. Going to watch the county used to be enjoyable,that seems like a long time ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 30, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
The CPA won't need to organise a strike or a boycott,for people are fed up and are voting with their feet. I honestly think intercounty football is dying a slow death already. Dublin will walk leinster,kerry the same in Munster. Mayo might get caught in Connaught but will be the only team from that province capable of doing anything at the business end of the season. And Ulster is a toss between Donegal and Tyrone,neither capable of breaking into the top 3. Going to watch the county used to be enjoyable,that seems like a long time ago.

Well fair enough and i agree but brolly isnt saying these things...brolly's focus is not on this at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
East Down Gael - sorry but personally I just don't remember this golden age of football when things were unpredictable. 

There is probably a greater number of hidings handed out in county championship these days but the overall results are not much different than any era, which is in terms of winning Sam, 3-4 live contenders, 1-2 outsiders, and the rest might as well not bother.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 30, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
East Down Gael - sorry but personally I just don't remember this golden age of football when things were unpredictable. 

There is probably a greater number of hidings handed out in county championship these days but the overall results are not much different than any era, which is in terms of winning Sam, 3-4 live contenders, 1-2 outsiders, and the rest might as well not bother.

Maybe you are right about the 70s and 80s  but this is the age where games are on tv every week. In the 70s and 80s it didn't matter because there were 3 football games on tv every year. Plus the 90s and 00s were far less predictable than now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 07:55:52 PM
The 90s were the only decade in modern times where it was truly unpredictable. 8 different winners in 10 years. Unbelievable. Will it ever happen again?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on January 31, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Joe talking to Pat Kenny on TV3. Two of GAABoard's favourites together.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 01, 2018, 03:35:32 PM
Frost/Nixon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on February 01, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 31, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Joe talking to Pat Kenny on TV3. Two of GAABoard's favourites together.

It should have been T Fearon interviewing him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 03, 2018, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 01, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 31, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Joe talking to Pat Kenny on TV3. Two of GAABoard's favourites together.

It should have been T Fearon interviewing him.

Now that would be my vision of hell.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on February 04, 2018, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 01, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 31, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Joe talking to Pat Kenny on TV3. Two of GAABoard's favourites together.

It should have been T Fearon interviewing him.

His doctors wouldn't recommend that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 11, 2018, 06:20:58 PM
I know I shouldn't, but Joe Brolly's article today has to be a new low, even for him.  He's like that old band who had a few great albums but now is writing just pure shite because he knows he has to and in any case, he'll get paid.  Here's his latest, with annotations in red from me;

I am constantly advising clubs about disciplinary offences and CCC investigations. It is a depressing thing to see the contempt in which volunteers, players and clubs are held by the authorities.
That's right Joe - It's meddlers like you and your like in the legal profession  who have the GAA rule book the way it is because you can find some stupid loophole to get the local thug off breaking a man's jaw.
The GAA's chaotic, complex rule book, with its built-in presumptions, has created a tyranny. It has given the nod to the GAA courts to interpret them - if at all possible - in a way that is against the GAA community.
Not really – Just trying to interpret them in a way that makes the games fair.
This explains why it is virtually impossible to get a fair hearing, and why so many good GAA volunteers are left seething. After a recent case I was involved in, the chairman and secretary of the club left the hearing swearing that they were finished with the GAA. If you're involved with the GAA, you've been there.
I have been there, though I've never been so moved as to want to be finished with the GAA.  See the last paragraph of your article Joe and you'll understand why these 'good GAA volunteers can't always be trusted'.
Take for example the rule that the referee's report is "presumed to be correct in all factual matters and may only be rebutted where unedited video or other compelling evidence contradicts it". This is actually interpreted in the following way: 'You smart-asses might have a video showing the whole episode, and establishing that it was the number 12 and not the 10, but the referee says it was number 10 and so there is nothing we can do. We're sorry that he's the captain and he's going to miss the first under 16 final in the club's history, but our hands are tied. Next case.'
That's actually legally wrong Joe and slightly embarrassing for someone in your profession.  Video evidence, or the witness of a 'person of standing' such as a member of CCC who might have been at the match can and has on many occasions trumped the referee's report.  The referee is also asked to 'clarify' his report which can lead to a greater insight into what actually happened.  But yes – the referee must be respected and his report must be seen as authentic, otherwise it becomes total chaos Joe, when people like you show up to contest it.
If Pope Francis himself appeared in person and said he had witnessed the entire incident and that it was the number 12, they would still suspend the number 10. The chairman of the disciplinary hearing would say, "We fully understand the doctrine of papal infallibility, but, unfortunately, it does not appear anywhere in the GAA rule book. Holy Father, our hands are tied."
You're wrong on that Joe.  As above.  You're embarrassing yourself now.
The same applies to our approach to transfers, which has long been perverse and unfair. I cannot tell you the number of cases I have had to take to the DRA (the independent review body that is outside the GAA) in order to get a fair result. Four years ago, I advised on and drafted the transfer applications of young twins, both of whom were extremely talented sportsmen.


The requests were entirely reasonable. (according to you) The board rejected them of course. They appealed to the Hearings Committee, which expressed great sympathy in that classic GAA way, then sadly rejected them. A few months ago, on my way to another similar travesty, I remembered the twins and rang their father. "They haven't kicked a ball since Joe. They switched to the soccer and are going very well."
Not even playing for their school, Joe? Not knowing the ins and outs of this one, it sounds like a couple of glory hunters who wanted to leave their own club and go after the medals.  I thought you didn't like this Joe – Remember the time you went after Seanie Johnston?

I am involved in a case at the moment where the parents (both fanatical GAA people) are seriously considering putting their house on the market so their young sons can transfer to the club they played with under sanction for the last four years. The emotional toll of this is huge. None of this is relevant. Computer says no.
Sanctions Joe.  Yeah – that's the transfer rule that allows wee clubs to survive.  If you can't field at underage, you 'loan' the player out to a bigger club to let him get hurling and then he agrees to come back to you when he's older.  Is that what you're complaining about?
Of all the unsavoury aspects of the rules, perhaps the worst is the rule that requires club officials to identify supporters who might have come onto the pitch or been involved in some sort of incident.
That's right Joe – It's called 'integrity'.  You write quite a lot about that.
I am currently involved in a case where senior club officials had to identify some of their own supporters, whose images had been enhanced by a professional audio-visual company. This had obviously cost the county board a considerable amount, but when it comes to humiliating the clubs and club people, money is no object. As long as the county manager gets everything he wants, nothing else matters.
Imagine the county board trying to drill down to get justice.  And you call this 'humiliating the clubs?'  Really Joe?  A county Board trying to enhance footage of some thug striking a young lad and you call this 'humiliating the club?'  Your sense of justice is quite strange, for a man of the law.
Many years ago, Croke Park held one of the first investigations using video footage into shenanigans during a game. All parties were called to Croke Park, including the respective chairmen and secretaries. When the audience was assembled, the curtains were drawn and the projector was switched on. The chair of the panel paused the film as each fresh outrage occurred.

One of the players in attendance was seen pole-axing an opposing selector. There was really no defence, so he was punished there and then with a suspension of some months. Plainly annoyed, he had to sit there as the rest of the drama unfolded, his chairman and secretary beside him.
Imagine the injustice of asking a thug who 'poleaxed a selector' to wait until the end of the hearing.  What utter nonsense Joe.  Did the Indo really allow you to print that paragraph, or did you get to the end of the article and realise your word count wasn't big enough?
There was, however, one man who could not be identified by the panel. He was a supporter, who could clearly be seen wearing his team's colours under a sheepskin jacket. At one point, he ran onto the pitch and could be seen on the footage throwing a flurry of punches at an opposing player. The footage was paused at the appropriate moment, capturing the offender's face in full technicolor glory. "I am now going to ask the chairman to identify this man to the panel," said the 'judge'. The chairman squinted, and scratched his head and whispered to the secretary beside him.
After a whole palaver, he said, "I am sorry members of the panel, but I have never seen this man before in my life." "The same question to the secretary," said the judge. The secretary went through the same pretence, shaking his head and squinting at the screen, before sadly turning to the panel and saying, "Hand on heart, I cannot identify this man."At which point, the disgruntled player said, "Well that's strange, since you were both at his wedding."

A lovely funny little story to finish Joe and a total contradiction of everything you've written about the 'poor volunteer'.  And of course, the CCC, hearings Committee.  Are they not also volunteers too? And the victims of the thuggery you are making a joke of? And this little story illustrates the very reason the GAA needs its rule book Joe.  Because people like you will take the side of people like those who will defend the actions of thugs in their club.  You talk a lot about values Joe.  If you find that story funny, you don't have any yourself.  This article is your worst ever.  As a man who is involved in law, it is a serious indictment on your own world view.  It is an illogical mess, full of contradictions and plainly legally incorrect.

Not for the first time, but the Indo just loves that the GAA got another boot today form its favourite puppet...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
be better to post that and your critique after... very difficult to follow that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2018, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
be better to post that and your critique after... very difficult to follow that

Not that hard to follow.

I just read the headline now to see who he's ranting about this week. It's such shocking journalism you'd wonder how he gets away with it. Imagine how poor the journalism  world would be if "I was talking to some nameless fella last week and he agrees with the point I'm about to make" was acceptable by a professional writer. Jesus his methods of persuasion are so poor you'd wonder how he excelled as a solicitor, his presented arguments are only fodder for imbeciles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 12, 2018, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 11, 2018, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
be better to post that and your critique after... very difficult to follow that

Not that hard to follow.
Each part of the article could be
Quotequoted
and the reply inserted under each quote.
As we usually do

Shouldn't this bit should be in red?
'Imagine the injustice of asking a thug who 'poleaxed a selector' to wait until the end of the hearing.  What utter nonsense Joe.  Did the Indo really allow you to print that paragraph, or did you get to the end of the article and realise your word count wasn't big enough?'

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 12, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
That's right. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on February 12, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 12, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
That's right.

trawled through it... you make good points though expecting club officials to hand in offenders is a bit fanciful...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on February 12, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 12, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 12, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
That's right.

trawled through it... you make good points though expecting club officials to hand in offenders is a bit fanciful...

Well if the rule is there, as officials, they should be adhering to it. And also, the amount of latitude given to head the balls who shouldn't be anywhere near a match is unreal in Gaelic Games - it shouldn't take that much moral courage to call them out.

Great critique Seany, it really is dodgy stuff from Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 12, 2018, 03:48:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 12, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 12, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
That's right.

trawled through it... you make good points though expecting club officials to hand in offenders is a bit fanciful...
There was a case not so long ago where some Antrim officials went out of their way and snitched on one of their players,  based on a fuzzy phone video recording they were sent by the Croke Park KGB.
Fortunately, Perry Joe Brolly got on the case after the player texted one of Joe's 10 phones. I mean,  Who you gonna call? (gaabuster). After trawling through all the flattering texts Joe receives on a daily basis and all the texts of support from every top player in the country, this text finally caught Joe's attention and he donned his cape.
Joe made a dramatic entrance in the nick of time just before the appeals 'judge' could bang his gavel and unjustly condemn the player for an eternity. Joe saved the day yet again with an appeal of great genius that only Joe could construct and got the player off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 12, 2018, 03:51:26 PM
...although he actually never appeared at the hearing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on February 12, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 12, 2018, 03:51:26 PM
...although he actually never appeared at the hearing.

he's been called on to advise a lot of clubs and counties though they might not want to admit it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on February 12, 2018, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 12, 2018, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 11, 2018, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
be better to post that and your critique after... very difficult to follow that

Not that hard to follow.
Each part of the article could be
Quotequoted
and the reply inserted under each quote.
As we usually do

Shouldn't this bit should be in red?
'Imagine the injustice of asking a thug who 'poleaxed a selector' to wait until the end of the hearing.  What utter nonsense Joe.  Did the Indo really allow you to print that paragraph, or did you get to the end of the article and realise your word count wasn't big enough?'

I think you have completely got the wrong end of the stick on this particular point, it appears to me that JB is setting the scene for the offender's remark at the end of the meeting dropping the Chairman in it, rather than showing that him being made to sit through the whole meeting was an injustice.

Not of course that any such scenario ever took place I would imagine, apart from inside Joe's brain lol

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on February 12, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
Me, when I read Joe's latest anecdote-riddled article.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55832443/look-at-all-these-things-that-didnt-happen.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 15, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 12, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
Me, when I read Joe's latest anecdote-riddled article.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55832443/look-at-all-these-things-that-didnt-happen.jpg)

The cross dressing comes as no surprise to me, no wonder ye are gone to the dogs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 26, 2018, 07:20:22 AM
In yesterday's Sindo, Joe Brolly did one of his humorously reflective pieces where he makes folk heroes out of... the thugs who disgraced the integrity of the GAA at the 1990 Sigerson weekend hosted by Trinity College. Utter drunken scumbags wrecked, vandalized and laid waste to the Trinity University Boathouse which was kindly given to the GAA for a social night on the Saturday night. What occurred that night was a blight on the reputation of the GAA and Higher Efucation and the antithesis of every value the GAA holds dear.

But sure as long as Joe gets a few funny stories in, what's the harm.

...and he was a student of TCD at the time.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on February 26, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Quote from: Seany on February 26, 2018, 07:20:22 AM
In yesterday's Sindo, Joe Brolly did one of his humorously reflective pieces where he makes folk heroes out of... the thugs who disgraced the integrity of the GAA at the 1990 Sigerson weekend hosted by Trinity College. Utter drunken scumbags wrecked, vandalized and laid waste to the Trinity University Boathouse which was kindly given to the GAA for a social night on the Saturday night. What occurred that night was a blight on the reputation of the GAA and Higher Efucation and the antithesis of every value the GAA holds dear.

But sure as long as Joe gets a few funny stories in, what's the harm.

...and he was a student of TCD at the time.

Thought that myself.

I believe he also embellished a few stories as well. Heard a lot of UUJ stories over the years, never heard the one about throwing TVs out the window. Doubt if there was any truth about that story, as if it was, I would have (at least) heard of one version of the story

Also, don't know how he equates the stories as being part of character building
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on February 26, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
I think he mentioned the Gresham.  I doubt if they would have been staying there, to be honest.  And on a practical level, hotel windows have to be latched in such a way as to make opening them to throw anything or anybody out of them impossible.  Toughened glass too.  Practical, insurance concerns.  So that's actually a lie he told. 

Re the Trinity Boathouse incident.  It was just an utterly shameful episode and totally against what the GAA is about.  That boatclubs may not be from the same tradition as GAA people, but that does not make them 'legitimate targets'.  The thugs who wrecked it that night were despicable scumbags. 

If that's the sort of behaviour Brolly wants to make into a nice warm folk tale, it's his business, but it's further evidence of his sense of values, his ability to distort facts and his penchant to tell a total lie if it helps the story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on February 26, 2018, 07:33:16 PM
Cool kid Joe reliving stories for the lads. Such a lad our joe, he's so cool. Drunken vandalism, class. A true Gael. Good of him to stick it to those lazy, over-rated rower toffs. They were probably all just dirty prods anyway. Good to see the common, working class, trinity law student take them down a peg or two.

Hitting the gaa president in the face with a chicken leg. Brilliant. Such a lad. Hope someone does that at the next final banquet or all star gala. Joe can write us another cool factual piece celebrating the hero who chucked it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on February 26, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
I've very little interest in pulling apart the holes in Joes piece. It's a curious insight into his mind though, Jesus he's obsessed with name dropping and bigging up his involvement in laddish behaviour. The vast majority of his writing is one big pissing contest, like he's constantly trying to sell himself as cool to the lads he doesn't know at a stag party.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on February 26, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Do none of you think that perhaps Joe is harking back to a time when there was more craic in the game and devilment outside of it? Instead of the bland players we have now? Is that not what he's getting at?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.

He's not a journalist and it's not his role to provide accuracate records of events. His role is to offer insight and entertainment... which is a borderline impossible task to do with any consistent quality -especially in a sphere as narrow as Gaelic Games - unless it is peppered with unusual opinion, used to reinforce common themes, and enjoys the kind of minor embellishments which elevate an occurrence that happens in every day life, into something more topical or memorable.

The dourness of some of the commentators in this thread is staggering, and I can only imagine they're the same people who gain enjoyment from glaring at people who aren't solemn enough when being forced into mass or such like.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gmac on February 26, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 26, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
I've very little interest in pulling apart the holes in Joes piece. It's a curious insight into his mind though, Jesus he's obsessed with name dropping and bigging up his involvement in laddish behaviour. The vast majority of his writing is one big pissing contest, like he's constantly trying to sell himself as cool to the lads he doesn't know at a stag party.
he should have some good tales to tell after last Saturday night in SAN Francisco .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Superb piece by Joe yesterday.

People are crying out for change but fear it wont happen and the corporate gravy train will roll on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 05, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.

He's not a journalist and it's not his role to provide accurate records of events. His role is to offer insight and entertainment... which is a borderline impossible task to do with any consistent quality -especially in a sphere as narrow as Gaelic Games - unless it is peppered with unusual opinion, used to reinforce common themes, and enjoys the kind of minor embellishments which elevate an occurrence that happens in every day life, into something more topical or memorable.

The dourness of some of the commentators in this thread is staggering, and I can only imagine they're the same people who gain enjoyment from glaring at people who aren't solemn enough when being forced into mass or such like.
I would consider someone that writes articles in a newspaper to be a journalist. I would also suggest that whatever he writes should be accurate. Entertainment is secondary and fine, but not at the expense of accuracy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Bearded One on March 05, 2018, 02:46:28 PM
He's a columnist in a newspaper, not a journalist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 05, 2018, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on March 05, 2018, 02:46:28 PM
He's a columnist in a newspaper, not a journalist.
And that changes his role as outlined by thewobbler?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
A columnist is to a journalist is what a commentator is to an analyst. The roles might mingle occasionally but the former describes the action, the latter interprets it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Superb piece by Joe yesterday.

People are crying out for change but fear it wont happen and the corporate gravy train will roll on

in fairness to Brilly he has consistently called out the road we are heading down fast, 6.5 million shuts up the GPA basically and the decision seems to be ignore the CPA at all costs.....
there is nobody else in mainstream media as consistent as Brolly about the crisis we are in........like him or loathe him but he is right
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 05, 2018, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on March 05, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.

He's not a journalist and it's not his role to provide accurate records of events. His role is to offer insight and entertainment... which is a borderline impossible task to do with any consistent quality -especially in a sphere as narrow as Gaelic Games - unless it is peppered with unusual opinion, used to reinforce common themes, and enjoys the kind of minor embellishments which elevate an occurrence that happens in every day life, into something more topical or memorable.

The dourness of some of the commentators in this thread is staggering, and I can only imagine they're the same people who gain enjoyment from glaring at people who aren't solemn enough when being forced into mass or such like.
I would consider someone that writes articles in a newspaper to be a journalist. I would also suggest that whatever he writes should be accurate. Entertainment is secondary and fine, but not at the expense of accuracy.
Its a bit late to expect that from Joe Brolly now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
which other pundit or ex player or journalist has consistently called out u13 development squads for the bullshit that they are and the problems they cause within clubs ( smaller in particular)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.
Lets take Jim McGuinness for example on the Irish times not everyones favourite either I know however he offers excellent honest insight and doesn't say something controversial to grab the attention. I think most wants that from a sports columnist. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
which other pundit or ex player or journalist has consistently called out u13 development squads for the bullshit that they are and the problems they cause within clubs ( smaller in particular)

True - he calls out a lot of stuff. Unfortunately some of his other outbursts give people the excuse to distract from the real problems he addresses... SKY sell-off, GPA, elitism etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.
Lets take Jim McGuinness for example on the Irish times not everyones favourite either I know however he offers excellent honest insight and doesn't say something controversial to grab the attention. I think most wants that from a sports columnist.

you mustn't have read the 200 articles of lathering and indulgent self praise he wrote and skipped to the one insightful one
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 05, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
A columnist is to a journalist is what a commentator is to an analyst. The roles might mingle occasionally but the former describes the action, the latter interprets it.
But you said his job wasn't to provide accurate records of events. Does that mean that, as a columnist, he can provide inaccuracies?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
which other pundit or ex player or journalist has consistently called out u13 development squads for the bullshit that they are and the problems they cause within clubs ( smaller in particular)

True - he calls out a lot of stuff. Unfortunately some of his other outbursts give people the excuse to distract from the real problems he addresses... SKY sell-off, GPA, elitism etc

i agree he has occasional brain farts and it diverts away from his core concerns but that sums up the intelligence of those easily diverted also
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2018, 04:18:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
which other pundit or ex player or journalist has consistently called out u13 development squads for the bullshit that they are and the problems they cause within clubs ( smaller in particular)

True - he calls out a lot of stuff. Unfortunately some of his other outbursts give people the excuse to distract from the real problems he addresses... SKY sell-off, GPA, elitism etc

i agree he has occasional brain farts and it diverts away from his core concerns but that sums up the intelligence of those easily diverted also

It's an old trick, play the man not the ball and thereby avoid discussing the issue. GPA experts at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on March 05, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Superb piece by Joe yesterday.

People are crying out for change but fear it wont happen and the corporate gravy train will roll on

in fairness to Brilly he has consistently called out the road we are heading down fast, 6.5 million shuts up the GPA basically and the decision seems to be ignore the CPA at all costs.....
there is nobody else in mainstream media as consistent as Brolly about the crisis we are in........like him or loathe him but he is right

But is there really a crisis?

His last line is "Fantasies are a luxury we can no longer afford."

I think he has a fantasy about club football. He wants a 4 month intercounty season, 7 months club season and 1 month completely off.

Would we really be happy about that? Most of us joined this board to talk about intercounty football.
How many of us attend club football matches that don't involve our own clubs, bar maybe semi finals and finals?
Not many I'd say.
We all love our own clubs and when things are going well there's a great buzz around the town, but what about the rest of the time? 
I attend almost every league match my team plays, even though we'll always be missing 1 or 2 because of county commitments. But support for league games in Dublin is quite poor, especially among the bigger clubs, and the standard and entertainment is generally very good. Attendances won't change significantly with all county players being available, in my opinion.

The problem for me isnt the amount of intercounty football played. It's incompetent county boards not coming up with a proper club fixture calendar at the start of the year, and sticking to it. So club players will know exactly when they are playing, and when they can be away.  In February each year, the Dublin county board issues the calendar for every division in football and hurling, and while there'll always be a small number of adjustments for cancellations like last week, in the main it is stuck quite rigidly and it means club players (and supporters!) know exactly where they stand.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2018, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not quite sure what the Brolly down brigade want from a sports columnist.
Lets take Jim McGuinness for example on the Irish times not everyones favourite either I know however he offers excellent honest insight and doesn't say something controversial to grab the attention. I think most wants that from a sports columnist.

you mustn't have read the 200 articles of lathering and indulgent self praise he wrote and skipped to the one insightful one
What columnists doesn't think his own shite isn't chocolate? I have rarely read a McGuinness article that wasn't insightful. Brolly on the other hand is tiresome gimmick to grab the attention, yes he can be right sometimes but a broken clock can be right twice a day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 04:37:42 PM
name one other pundit who is as self effusive in his own being as McGuinness. the lug thinks he invented gaelic football....... he really believes his own greatness.

Brolly is right on more issues than he is wrong but he is spectacularly wrong on some of his epistle3s
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 05, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Superb piece by Joe yesterday.

People are crying out for change but fear it wont happen and the corporate gravy train will roll on

in fairness to Brilly he has consistently called out the road we are heading down fast, 6.5 million shuts up the GPA basically and the decision seems to be ignore the CPA at all costs.....
there is nobody else in mainstream media as consistent as Brolly about the crisis we are in........like him or loathe him but he is right

But is there really a crisis?

His last line is "Fantasies are a luxury we can no longer afford."

I think he has a fantasy about club football. He wants a 4 month intercounty season, 7 months club season and 1 month completely off.

Would we really be happy about that? Most of us joined this board to talk about intercounty football.
How many of us attend club football matches that don't involve our own clubs, bar maybe semi finals and finals?
Not many I'd say.
We all love our own clubs and when things are going well there's a great buzz around the town, but what about the rest of the time? 
I attend almost every league match my team plays, even though we'll always be missing 1 or 2 because of county commitments. But support for league games in Dublin is quite poor, especially among the bigger clubs, and the standard and entertainment is generally very good. Attendances won't change significantly with all county players being available, in my opinion.

The problem for me isnt the amount of intercounty football played. It's incompetent county boards not coming up with a proper club fixture calendar at the start of the year, and sticking to it. So club players will know exactly when they are playing, and when they can be away.  In February each year, the Dublin county board issues the calendar for every division in football and hurling, and while there'll always be a small number of adjustments for cancellations like last week, in the main it is stuck quite rigidly and it means club players (and supporters!) know exactly where they stand.

But if we continue the road we are on how many club players will there actually be?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
Whereas the biggest problem for me is not county boards, but those clubs who blanket refuse to play league fixtures without county players.

Only way out of this situation is for clubs to first accept their place in the food chain, and then do what they can to reduce the length of the county season. Not the other way around.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 05, 2018, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 05, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 05, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Superb piece by Joe yesterday.

People are crying out for change but fear it wont happen and the corporate gravy train will roll on

in fairness to Brilly he has consistently called out the road we are heading down fast, 6.5 million shuts up the GPA basically and the decision seems to be ignore the CPA at all costs.....
there is nobody else in mainstream media as consistent as Brolly about the crisis we are in........like him or loathe him but he is right

But is there really a crisis?

His last line is "Fantasies are a luxury we can no longer afford."

I think he has a fantasy about club football. He wants a 4 month intercounty season, 7 months club season and 1 month completely off.

Would we really be happy about that? Most of us joined this board to talk about intercounty football.
How many of us attend club football matches that don't involve our own clubs, bar maybe semi finals and finals?
Not many I'd say.
We all love our own clubs and when things are going well there's a great buzz around the town, but what about the rest of the time? 
I attend almost every league match my team plays, even though we'll always be missing 1 or 2 because of county commitments. But support for league games in Dublin is quite poor, especially among the bigger clubs, and the standard and entertainment is generally very good. Attendances won't change significantly with all county players being available, in my opinion.

The problem for me isnt the amount of intercounty football played. It's incompetent county boards not coming up with a proper club fixture calendar at the start of the year, and sticking to it. So club players will know exactly when they are playing, and when they can be away.  In February each year, the Dublin county board issues the calendar for every division in football and hurling, and while there'll always be a small number of adjustments for cancellations like last week, in the main it is stuck quite rigidly and it means club players (and supporters!) know exactly where they stand.
Brilliant post.

Brolly says the club scene should be at the fore and the county scene secondary. It's so romantic Joe, but who wants it? And if Joe actually believes this then instead of crying about Sky showing intercounty games, why doesn't he cry about the lack of club football being televised? Come on RTE and TV3, give us the games that we all really want, club championship games up and down the country. Joe would surely do the analysis.

We should have a tiered championship, but for whose benefit? If the players and supporters of the lesser counties don't want it, then who is to appease?

The current system ain't perfect but the irony is that, from the examples I've been told about, it's the clubs and by extension the county boards, that make a complete hames of their own fixtures. But the criticism is so generic now and the easy targets are the boys at the top.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on March 05, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
Whereas the biggest problem for me is not county boards, but those clubs who blanket refuse to play league fixtures without county players.

Only way out of this situation is for clubs to first accept their place in the food chain, and then do what they can to reduce the length of the county season. Not the other way around.
We all know league is league. Championship is championship.

In Dublin, there are 15 rounds of league. County players usually play 2 of the first four games, sometimes 1 or 2 in the middle, and always the last 2 (only the last 2 guaranteed). Then top 4 teams make the semi finals and all county players available. County players also available for relegation and promotion playoffs. Every other league game must go ahead regardless of availability of county players. County players available for all championship games, of course.

Don't know why a similar system wouldnt work in all counties. It might not be perfect, but it means there's loads of football for the club player and from February they can plan out their year, without being impacted by whether the blessed county footballer is available.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 10:09:35 PM
Dublin senior clubs have panels of 30mplus. Most country clubs don't have that comfort levels
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 10:09:35 PM
Dublin senior clubs have panels of 30mplus. Most country clubs don't have that comfort levels
But one of the reasons why rural clubs don't have 30 players is because spending a couple of seasons training all summer long without games, only to be a sub and watching the county player when games do start again, is a proper kick in the teeth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
I normally get shot down when I suggest this but in my head I think clubs needed to be rewarded for helping to produce players of senior inter-county standard.

Therefore at the start of each season a county manager names his squad of 35 players and for each player a grant of 5K is given to his home club. This grant is ring fenced and can only drawn down against GDOs, Coaching Courses or infrastructure projects.

There is a caveat of course is that the club will not see that player until released back by the county when there inter-county season is over. The club season in that period will carry on without these players, a fixtures planner is put in place, with league finals set for early July. Two week break and then championship with inter-county players set to run through August and September.  Club AI to run through Oct and November.

Players injured etc to return to club for game time etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on March 06, 2018, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
I normally get shot down when I suggest this but in my head I think clubs needed to be rewarded for helping to produce players of senior inter-county standard.

Therefore at the start of each season a county manager names his squad of 35 players and for each player a grant of 5K is given to his home club. This grant is ring fenced and can only drawn down against GDOs, Coaching Courses or infrastructure projects.

There is a caveat of course is that the club will not see that player until released back by the county when there inter-county season is over. The club season in that period will carry on without these players, a fixtures planner is put in place, with league finals set for early July. Two week break and then championship with inter-county players set to run through August and September.  Club AI to run through Oct and November.

Players injured etc to return to club for game time etc.

Two major issues:

1. If payments are introduced, even payments in kind, The GPA will over the course of time manipulate this into pay for play. They won't be able to help themselves; after all the purpose of this organisation is to further the interests of elite players.

2. Hurling and equality. While there is no way on earth that an intercounty hurler from Liatroim has been coached or developed to a high standard by his club the same way a footballer from Mayo has, who is actually going to stand up and say the hurler's club isn't entitled to €5k every year for him training for a junior all Ireland first round knockout?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on March 06, 2018, 09:04:30 AM

Junior
Standard – E500
Semi finalist – E1000
Winners – E2000

Intermediate
Standard – E1000
Semi finalist – E2000
Winners – E5000

Senior
Standard – 2500
Semi finalist – E5000
Winners – E7000

Counties with successful championships should be in a position commercially to bring in additional revenue and the clubs should see some of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
 
What the GPA will or won't do is hard to predict but they would need a serious set of balls to try and take grant money from clubs for players.

Hurling can be weighted, Liam 5k, Christy 3k and Nicky 2k. I do think it's a conversation worth having as A. It rewards the clubs and B. Resolves the club fixtures argument.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 06, 2018, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on March 05, 2018, 10:09:35 PM
Dublin senior clubs have panels of 30mplus. Most country clubs don't have that comfort levels
But one of the reasons why rural clubs don't have 30 players is because spending a couple of seasons training all summer long without games, only to be a sub and watching the county player when games do start again, is a proper kick in the teeth.

There wont be enough club players if we continue on the track we are on.

It has already started where rural clubs have to amalgamate.

Mentioning 30+ players on a panel is a pipe dream for most clubs outside of top divisions in counties
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2018, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 06, 2018, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
I normally get shot down when I suggest this but in my head I think clubs needed to be rewarded for helping to produce players of senior inter-county standard.

Therefore at the start of each season a county manager names his squad of 35 players and for each player a grant of 5K is given to his home club. This grant is ring fenced and can only drawn down against GDOs, Coaching Courses or infrastructure projects.

There is a caveat of course is that the club will not see that player until released back by the county when there inter-county season is over. The club season in that period will carry on without these players, a fixtures planner is put in place, with league finals set for early July. Two week break and then championship with inter-county players set to run through August and September.  Club AI to run through Oct and November.

Players injured etc to return to club for game time etc.

Two major issues:

1. If payments are introduced, even payments in kind, The GPA will over the course of time manipulate this into pay for play. They won't be able to help themselves; after all the purpose of this organisation is to further the interests of elite players.

2. Hurling and equality. While there is no way on earth that an intercounty hurler from Liatroim has been coached or developed to a high standard by his club the same way a footballer from Mayo has, who is actually going to stand up and say the hurler's club isn't entitled to €5k every year for him training for a junior all Ireland first round knockout?

You wouldn't be going and telling any of the McCrickards that anyway if you liked your front teeth  ;D

Practicalities come into play here.

We've 9 of our senior hurling panel of 24 on the current Down hurling panel. Not alone could we not field for a competitive game come the time, but we also struggle to have meaningful training sessions for the rest of the lads.

Broad brush solutions won't work.
The IC calendar has to be managed and a balance needs to be struck between club and county.
The problem is (and TBH it isn't a problem for hurling outside the top 10) that CP with its super 8 and rejigged Munster and Leinster hurling championships has went too far and has totally decimated the club scene during the summer months.

Interestingly I see Ned Quinn appointed to the fixtures committee in Croke Park. Historically Ned and Kilkenny had no issues with county hurlers going back and playing with their clubs mid championship and that didn't seem to hold them back, so I wonder if he'll bring this same mentality with him to the bigger job?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 06, 2018, 11:54:13 AM
johnnycool, I'm not familiar with the new hurling structures, but how does the Super 8 make things more difficult for clubs?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on March 06, 2018, 12:54:17 PM
More IC games means a more condensed club calendar especially club championships for those in the super 8, no?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 06, 2018, 01:13:05 PM
My apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere but the proposed structure in Monaghan looks interesting;

From Sportsjoe.ie

In Monaghan, they're proposing that clubs play a minimum of nine games with members of the county panel but what they're going to offer is that these games count for more than the games without the county players.

It means clubs can be awarded more points for when they're at full strength and the new proposals for the Monaghan leagues will provide much more football for the club player in general.

Some of the highlights of the document are as follows:
•Clubs will play a minimum of nine games with members of the county senior panel (A).
•Clubs will play a maximum of nine games from which 24 members (see no. viii) of the county panel will be excluded (B).

That offers the main restructure.

More points will be awarded for a win or a draw for games in A than for the games in B.

A is with the county players and B is without the county players.

In A, each club will play every other team once.
• Five points will be allocated for a win.
• Two points for a draw.

In B, each club will play every other team once and two points will be allocated for a win and one point for a draw.

This means that 71.5 % of win points are available for the nine A games - with the county players. 28.5% for the nine B games.

The proposal will also keep county managers happy.
•A minimum of four games and a maximum of five rounds in A must be completed by Sunday 29th April.

•If Monaghan is eliminated from the All-Ireland championship before the nine B games have been played, county players can play in the remaining B games but points will be awarded based on B i.e. two points for a win and one point for a draw. This ensures that all clubs will play every other club for a total of seven points over their two matches.
•Before the B games commence, the senior Team Manager will provide the County Secretary with a list of the 24 players in the county senior panel who are excluded from club league games. The list will include no more than five players from any one club. The list may be changed on the day following each of Monaghan's championship games and clubs will be notified immediately.

If these proposals are accepted, they will ensure regular, meaningful football for club players from April right through to September and means the league can be all but done before the championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 06, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 06, 2018, 12:54:17 PM
More IC games means a more condensed club calendar especially club championships for those in the super 8, no?
All counties exit the championship earlier this year than in previous years.

24 counties will be out by early July.

Condensing it should mean earlier starts for club championships.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 08, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
The one thing County players and Club player can agree on is more games and less training. The Ulster and Connacht championships take an age to run off (I appreciate it may be condensed somewhat this year). Teams have 3-4 week lay offs. That's utterly stupid. All 1st round games on one weekend Sat & Sun. 2nd round next weekend - final next weekend. Whole thing condensed down. Qualifiers run off as a quick as possible. Apr - May. All Ireland super 8 then start week after the provincial finals. Finished. By the time Super 8's start in June 24 counties are finished anyway. Super 8 in June, AI Final 2nd week of July.
Now some might cry BURNOUT - but lets face it, if they aren't playing matches the players are away on holiday. They're slogging it out training for the 2-3 week lay off. Keep the push on the whole thing and get it played.

Play away at club league games during the county matches. Championship after the County team exits the AI.

Sorted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 08, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 08, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
The one thing County players and Club player can agree on is more games and less training. The Ulster and Connacht championships take an age to run off (I appreciate it may be condensed somewhat this year). Teams have 3-4 week lay offs. That's utterly stupid. All 1st round games on one weekend Sat & Sun. 2nd round next weekend - final next weekend. Whole thing condensed down. Qualifiers run off as a quick as possible. Apr - May. All Ireland super 8 then start week after the provincial finals. Finished. By the time Super 8's start in June 24 counties are finished anyway. Super 8 in June, AI Final 2nd week of July.
Now some might cry BURNOUT - but lets face it, if they aren't playing matches the players are away on holiday. They're slogging it out training for the 2-3 week lay off. Keep the push on the whole thing and get it played.

Play away at club league games during the county matches. Championship after the County team exits the AI.

Sorted.
Fortunately a little bit more care has been taken as there's a preliminary round in Ulster and the chance of replays to consider. But your general point is good and has been addressed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 08, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on March 08, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 08, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
The one thing County players and Club player can agree on is more games and less training. The Ulster and Connacht championships take an age to run off (I appreciate it may be condensed somewhat this year). Teams have 3-4 week lay offs. That's utterly stupid. All 1st round games on one weekend Sat & Sun. 2nd round next weekend - final next weekend. Whole thing condensed down. Qualifiers run off as a quick as possible. Apr - May. All Ireland super 8 then start week after the provincial finals. Finished. By the time Super 8's start in June 24 counties are finished anyway. Super 8 in June, AI Final 2nd week of July.
Now some might cry BURNOUT - but lets face it, if they aren't playing matches the players are away on holiday. They're slogging it out training for the 2-3 week lay off. Keep the push on the whole thing and get it played.

Play away at club league games during the county matches. Championship after the County team exits the AI.

Sorted.
Fortunately a little bit more care has been taken as there's a preliminary round in Ulster and the chance of replays to consider. But your general point is good and has been addressed.

Given the pre-lim round it's played the week before. Winners out the next week.
No - replays. Am I right that these have been scraped bar provincial finals? IMO Finals should go to extra time as well.  Play the goddam games and quit pissing about.

Sorry - It's just maddens me the whole thing when it's so simple to fix.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 08, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Like I said, it might not be fixed, but it's been shortened greatly. Can't remember if the free-taking is in this year, I think it might.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 08, 2018, 08:21:03 PM
I see the Sunday Independent had to print a 'clarification' re Joe's claim last week that two Derry minors were over in Oz with Brian McIver for AFL trials.
At the time I read it, I thought to myself, 'That can't be right'.
Of course, it wasn't.
Just another 'fact' that Joe used to support his argument that Tyrone men were destroying gaelic football in Derry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on April 08, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
I'd love to know when the last time Joe wrote an article without the word Tyrone in it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 08, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 08, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
I'd love to know when the last time Joe wrote an article without the word Tyrone in it.

The Joe Brolly - Tyrone obsession seems to be mutual. I don't think he mentioned Tyrone on the Late Late Show on Friday night, an interview that must have been a huge disappointing  to his haters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on April 09, 2018, 12:24:07 AM
He did.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 09:11:48 AM
didn't hear that, maybe that his mother is from Tyrone. What I heard was a lot of very genuine work he's doing and at every chance trying to plug the benefits of those initiatives to people with Cystic Fibrosis. I suppose you hear what you want to hear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 09, 2018, 09:51:19 AM
It's not a zero sum game you know.
It is possible to do lots of very laudable good work for society/charity without,
a) using your media platform to make personal attacks,
and
b) making up 'facts' to support your agenda.
If I was Marty Morrissey, for example, and someone came up to me and said, "Yeah, I know Joe humiliated you on live TV but to be fair he did give away a kidney so get over yourself", I'd tell them to take a running jump
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2018, 09:51:19 AM
It's not a zero sum game you know.
It is possible to do lots of very laudable good work for society/charity without,
a) using your media platform to make personal attacks,
and
b) making up 'facts' to support your agenda.
If I was Marty Morrissey, for example, and someone came up to me and said, "Yeah, I know Joe humiliated you on live TV but to be fair he did give away a kidney so get over yourself", I'd tell them to take a running jump

aye he was out of order on Marty and apologised for that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

he's a bit to go to reach your level of bitterness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 09, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack


Most is a stretch.................

i find most grassroots GAA agree with his articles on how the county game is destroying club ethos, he raises questions of county development panels that most who care are asking also.........
But equally i find he annoys most with his onscreen punditry.

for me i like to read him but not to hear him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 09, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
I like Brolly when he's not talking about football, his obsessions with Tyrone/Paddy Tally ruining the game and Dublin saving the game are beyond tiresome.

There's a place for Brolly & Spillane in the media but its not analysing a game on the Sunday Game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on April 09, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
100% agree Rosnarun
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 09, 2018, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is
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I'd sooner have a pint with Joe than you any day
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 04:28:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is

you dont sound like a happy camper - are you sure this rage is about all about Joe? Chill man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is

You just need to take him far less seriously. There is a mute button on the tv and it might be recommended. He can be a divisive character but never boring and I'm glad he is on the media because he does more than most to hold authorities to account. If something has to be said he will say it and I'd rather a pundit with an opinion than some of the dull bland analysts.

As for the assertion that his opinion has no value because he only won one AI that is simply nonsense argument. The number of AI titles he won has no impact on his ability to perform a role as a TV pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Targetman on April 09, 2018, 06:28:08 PM
There's no disputing he likes the limelight but behind it all I think he's a fair judge when it comes to football, don't be too harsh on him or we'll have Tommy Carr back on the TV!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on April 09, 2018, 08:13:36 PM
I used to like Joe's stuff because there's an honesty and passion about it but the columns have become increasingly stale lately. He's generally just rehashing the same old argument and joke over and over again. I've definitely seen him put that Mastermind joke in a piece at least twice before.

There's just very poor GAA journalism out there when you compare it to the likes of what you see as regards soccer, rugby and golf. Especially from former players who all too seamlessly fall into yerra, yerra talk after 2-3 years. Harrington's analysis of golf is fantastic, BOD and ROG give insightful views on rugby and the soccer lads are a small bit better than the GAA heads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 09, 2018, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Targetman on April 09, 2018, 06:28:08 PM
There's no disputing he likes the limelight but behind it all I think he's a fair judge when it comes to football, don't be too harsh on him or we'll have Tommy Carr back on the TV!!
Read some of his recent articles he hasn't got a clue about the defensive side of things when it comes to football. He doesn't understand that a structure/system to a defence is a requirement for the majority of teams to make any progress but he waffles on like he knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on April 09, 2018, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is

Nail on the head
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on April 09, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
I divide my view of Brolly into two parts. He has very interesting things to say about society, and what he says is generally on the mark, even if he is generally short on solutions to the problems he mentions, the organ donation issue apart.

In terms of what he has to say about the GAA it has become very tedious. At his best he is a storyteller and a wordsmith, not a proper analyst. The problem with being a storyteller is even the best ones eventually run out of stories to tell, so they have to resort to making them up and being a full on controversialist.

His columns were great value and essential reading for a number of years, but no longer. That he used to write good columns only magnifies that he has run out of interesting things to say about the GAA, and now comes across as little more than a luddite.

Colm O'Rourke on the same page doesn't have that problem, as his columns have never had very much of interest to say.

Derry are in Division 4 precisely because of attitudes like Brolly's. Admitting and addressing that reality might make the basis of an interesting column for him.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Unlaoised on April 10, 2018, 09:59:25 AM
I like Brolly and even tho ye are right he is gone a little stale and he hates Laois(even when we were decent) the world would be a lot less interesting with out him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 10, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
the reason most Gaa people don't like Joe brolly is that he is a class one bollix. Always willing to put in his glib one liner looking for a headline  at the expense of anyone or anything . and then come back with a slimy retortor apology  in private  like the Marty apology or  'what are you getting  excited for were only having the Crack'
he came across on the late late show as being desperate for some one to pay attention to him and love him he reminded me  of a young lad who keeps betting picked last for teams even though hes the best player there . people would prefer to lose without him than win with him.
what he does outside football is of no interest to me and could open up 10 homeless shelters and save have of Norn iron by his hard work on transplants while curing cerebral palsy before lunch ,
if you start going down that road and reading details about private live next all their separations divorces, kids communions will be fair game.
if any of the above seems nasty sur were only having a bit of crack

Did he do something on you?

If you actually take him seriously I can understand where you are coming from sometimes as Brolly does often play to the gallery for reaction and can get a bit too personal with some of his criticism. However he can also be very entertaining, is a very clever man and can see through bullshit. Whatever your opinion of him as a GAA pundit, he has done some outstanding work for organ donors and CF. 

I have no intrest in he Charity work or private Life we all do what we can .
its his Say anything for a reaction on the National Broadcaster which has made the sunday game the equivalent of the Daily Mail that I have a problem with . It is now unwatchable .
at least Spillane and O rourke Were important figure winning multiple all Ireland and not just a lucky to be there corner forward whose sole reason for being on telly is to provoke a reaction. my reaction is normally to fast forward or turn off.
its only when he comes on mainstream TV claiming sainthood and hoping to be 'Forced' in to running for the ARAS he need to be called  out for the  sycophant that he is

You just need to take him far less seriously. There is a mute button on the tv and it might be recommended. He can be a divisive character but never boring and I'm glad he is on the media because he does more than most to hold authorities to account. If something has to be said he will say it and I'd rather a pundit with an opinion than some of the dull bland analysts.

As for the assertion that his opinion has no value because he only won one AI that is simply nonsense argument. The number of AI titles he won has no impact on his ability to perform a role as a TV pundit.

are you joe brolly ? because that exactly the kind of mealy mouthed reply id expect from him,
surely the whole point of a Gaa discussion board is where people take all matters GAA far too seriously
as for the number of all-Irelands  when  you have 8 all-ireland's and none all stars and several player of the year trophies your entitled to a fools pardon  , Brolly is owed no such Privileges .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 10, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 09, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
I divide my view of Brolly into two parts. He has very interesting things to say about society, and what he says is generally on the mark, even if he is generally short on solutions to the problems he mentions, the organ donation issue apart.

In terms of what he has to say about the GAA it has become very tedious. At his best he is a storyteller and a wordsmith, not a proper analyst. The problem with being a storyteller is even the best ones eventually run out of stories to tell, so they have to resort to making them up and being a full on controversialist.

His columns were great value and essential reading for a number of years, but no longer. That he used to write good columns only magnifies that he has run out of interesting things to say about the GAA, and now comes across as little more than a luddite.

Colm O'Rourke on the same page doesn't have that problem, as his columns have never had very much of interest to say.

Derry are in Division 4 precisely because of attitudes like Brolly's. Admitting and addressing that reality might make the basis of an interesting column for him.

Sit down and be quiet, Sid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.

have you heard of somebody being a living donor to a non family member before ? Much less every day
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 10, 2018, 09:59:25 AM
I like Brolly and even tho ye are right he is gone a little stale and he hates Laois(even when we were decent) the world would be a lot less interesting with out him!
Only a mother could love Laois.
Even Darina left.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 10, 2018, 12:00:57 PM
If I'm honest, I do feel there is an element of narcissism in what Joe does, but so many good & positive things have resulted from it (specifically re organ donation) that it would be a bit petty to use that as a stick to beat him with.
In terms of the homeless chap, I think the take home message there is if people who are down on their luck can get some sort of a foot hold in society, they can significantly improve their lot.
In fairness to Joe, he gave the lad a roof over his head and a bit of security and it sounds like he is doing well as a direct result of that.
Like I said though, it's not a zero sum game, so if he could just stop being so liberal with the 'facts' when he's talking about GAA matters...

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 10, 2018, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.

I find lines like this absolutely astounding, lives are being saved, and I'm sure the many people who have benefited (and their family and friends) from the campaigns and the promotion of the campaigns would disagree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
In fairness to Joe it is very hard to be consistently original about GAA. Tom humphries was probably the best GAA journalist 20 years ago and even  he gave up after a while.  The plodders like Sean Moran and Breheny rely on statistics but never rise above mediocrity. 

As Eugene McGee told Kimmage in 2015

"A lot of the matches are shite, but the worst of all is having to write the column in wintertime. I sit down every Saturday night and say, 'What am I going to write here?'. I'm 30 years writing columns now, for God's sake! And some of the stuff I write on Monday is pure shite."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 10, 2018, 01:35:37 PM
Houlihan was the best and he covered all sports
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 03:00:24 PM
Keep her going lads, we are near the 300 pages mark. Joe was telling me he would love to get to the 300 page mark.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 10, 2018, 03:18:52 PM
"Would you believe I have an entire thread dedicated to me on gaaboard?"
"Do you, Joe?"
"Oh aye, it's true. 700 PAGES long."
"Hang on, I'm just looking at it here and it's only 300 pages long, Joe."
"Did I ever tell you about the time myself and big Geoffrey McGonigle went on safari and he tried to smuggle a giraffe onto the plane home?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
I have 50 replies per page so it's only on 87 for me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 10, 2018, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 10, 2018, 03:18:52 PM
"Would you believe I have an entire thread dedicated to me on gaaboard?"
"Do you, Joe?"
"Oh aye, it's true. 700 PAGES long."
"Hang on, I'm just looking at it here and it's only 300 pages long, Joe."
"Did I ever tell you about the time myself and big Geoffrey McGonigle went on safari and he tried to smuggle a giraffe onto the plane home?"

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 10, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.

By doing the PR on his transplant Brolly did major work in raising the profile of organ donation, like him or loathe him he has made a step that few of us would consider.  But you have probably done much more without recognition.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 10, 2018, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 10, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.

By doing the PR on his transplant Brolly did major work in raising the profile of organ donation, like him or loathe him he has made a step that few of us would consider.  But you have probably done much more without recognition.

He publishes it to promote it and encourage others to save lives. Fair play to him but you can do nothing in this country without begrudgers taking away from it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 11, 2018, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 10, 2018, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 10, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 10, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
I heard that he had taken the homeless man in.  I was just interested to know how long it was going to be before he told everybody about it.  Same as the giving of the kidney.  People do that every day.  He wrote about it, did about fifteen newspaper and TV interviews about it, and three documentaries.  OK Joe - you have a charitable side.  We all know about it now.  Just leave us alone.

By doing the PR on his transplant Brolly did major work in raising the profile of organ donation, like him or loathe him he has made a step that few of us would consider.  But you have probably done much more without recognition.

He publishes it to promote it and encourage others to save lives. Fair play to him but you can do nothing in this country without begrudgers taking away from it

The Joe Brolly Debate.

Poster #1 - Brolly is a boll!x
Poster #2 - You just don't like him cause he honest
Poster #1 - No he's actually full of Sh!te
Poster #2 Yeah but look what he's done for charity
Poster #1 That was great, but he's still a boll!x
Poster #2 Your just a begrudger

Repeat
Repeat
Repeat
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 11, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
In fairness to Joe it is very hard to be consistently original about GAA. Tom humphries was probably the best GAA journalist 20 years ago and even  he gave up after a while.  The plodders like Sean Moran and Breheny rely on statistics but never rise above mediocrity. 

As Eugene McGee told Kimmage in 2015

"A lot of the matches are shite, but the worst of all is having to write the column in wintertime. I sit down every Saturday night and say, 'What am I going to write here?'. I'm 30 years writing columns now, for God's sake! And some all  of the stuff I write on Monday is pure shite."
just corrected that
they just cant be arsed to look for Real stories that's whay journalist should shut up and journal
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on April 15, 2018, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 10, 2018, 03:18:52 PM
"Would you believe I have an entire thread dedicated to me on gaaboard?"
"Do you, Joe?"
"Oh aye, it's true. 700 PAGES long."
"Hang on, I'm just looking at it here and it's only 300 pages long, Joe."
"Did I ever tell you about the time myself and big Geoffrey McGonigle went on safari and he tried to smuggle a giraffe onto the plane home?"

FFS! It wasnt a giraffe, it was an elephant. Dungiven use it now for bringing young lads to matches and the elephants obeys instructions given in Irish
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 15, 2018, 05:32:43 PM
Joe Brolly: If youngsters can't get regular games, they will turn to soccer, or PlayStation, or alcohol, or drugs

'A few days earlier, our minors had played against one of the west Belfast clubs in an official cup fixture. Their club is in a very underprivileged area of the city and they do tremendous work with their young people. But by the time they reach 16 the kids are abandoning the games.

Belfast has a population of 700,000 (2011 census), compared to Dublin's 1.3 million. But like every other club in the city, there is no full-time coaching in the feeder schools, no strategy linking the schools and club, no regular matches, and no resources. The result is that a densely populated area that could be a powerhouse for Gaelic games with a strong sense of community is instead a wasteland. As the minor game unfolded, their subs ate pizza that had been delivered to the sideline, smoked cigarettes and poked fun at their team-mates. The referee abandoned the match with 10 minutes to go after a melee broke out. One of their club stalwarts texted me afterwards to say, "My heart is broken after watching that today, mo chara." This year, for the first time in living memory, the fabled Rossa club on the Shaws Road are unable to field a minor football team. In the second biggest city on the island, the real GAA is collapsing.'


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-if-youngsters-cant-get-regular-games-they-will-turn-to-soccer-or-playstation-or-alcohol-or-drugs-36808029.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-if-youngsters-cant-get-regular-games-they-will-turn-to-soccer-or-playstation-or-alcohol-or-drugs-36808029.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

:o

The article in full is well worth a read tbf.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 15, 2018, 06:02:19 PM
Texting Joe is a sure fire way to get a mention in the Independent.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
Heard about this match today!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 15, 2018, 07:05:43 PM
Just picturing the subs running to join in the schemozzle with a fag in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other.  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2018, 08:08:16 PM
Brolly's piece says that Belfast has a population of 700,000 as part of his attempt to claim how badly it is doing in GAA terms. However, he has confused the metropolitan area, which includes the surrounding districts of Lisburn, Newtownabbey, Carrickfergus, Castlereagh and North Down - mostly barren ground for the GAA - with the actual city, which only has a population of 300,000. There's no doubt that the  GAA is struggling in west and north Belfast but with a few exceptions that has been the case for quite some time.  On the southern side of the city, Brolly's own club,  St Brigid's, and the Down sides Bredagh and Carryduff are all developing strongly.  If you take into account that more than a third of Belfast is in Co Down, and also leave out the unionist districts, the Co Antrim part of Belfast which Brolly is writing about effectively has a GAA population of considerably less than 100,000. It should be doing much better, and it deserves much more attention from the GAA at national level, but many other urban areas across Ireland are also underperforming, and the Belfast population figures put forward by Brolly are completely misleading.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 15, 2018, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2018, 08:08:16 PM
Brolly's piece says that Belfast has a population of 700,000 as part of his attempt to claim how badly it is doing in GAA terms. However, he has confused the metropolitan area, which includes the surrounding districts of Lisburn, Newtownabbey, Carrickfergus, Castlereagh and North Down - mostly barren ground for the GAA - with the actual city, which only has a population of 300,000. There's no doubt that the  GAA is struggling in west and north Belfast but with a few exceptions that has been the case for quite some time.  On the southern side of the city, Brolly's own club,  St Brigid's, and the Down sides Bredagh and Carryduff are all developing strongly.  If you take into account that more than a third of Belfast is in Co Down, and also leave out the unionist districts, the Co Antrim part of Belfast which Brolly is writing about effectively has a GAA population of considerably less than 100,000. It should be doing much better, and it deserves much more attention from the GAA at national level, but many other urban areas across Ireland are also underperforming, and the Belfast population figures put forward by Brolly are completely misleading.

I am shocked.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 16, 2018, 09:37:45 AM
I'd say roughly half of the lads I played underage football with didn't stay on after minor, so that's nothing new.
I would say almost all of them enjoyed their football, but wouldn't have been the most enthusiastic trainers.
When you transition from underage football to adult football there is a significant culture shift (at least there was in my day).
A lot of the time it can feel like training isn't a means to an end, it's an end in itself.
Train more, train harder, train better, so that maybe, just maybe you will earn the right to actually play football at some stage.
I remember when the balls would come out of the bag at this time of year and lads would be positively giddy at the idea we might actually play a game instead of doing loads of drills and small-sided stuff.
Usually, we were disappointed.
A lot of the lads that I know who drifted away from football would be regular 5-a-side soccer players.
It's enjoyable, it doesn't ADD to the daily stresses & strains of life and if you can't go some evening you don't have to justify yourself to anyone.
The GAA badly needs to come up with a recreational format that will allow the 'casual' player to stay involved in the club, get some exercise and generally just have a bit of FUN.
Remember that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
Belfast has too many clubs, and a lot of kids are not being directed into gaa clubs the way they used too at primary level.. schools have more options, I didnt go to a school that had soccer, both Primary and secondary were all Gaa, teachers seemed to have more time to coach and I can remember coaches coming in from other clubs to help out (or poach  ;) )

Now you have soccer in all schools, parents arent bothered anymore also, as long as they are doing something they seem happy enough.. Can't blame soccer for that, its wall to wall coverage on TV so it will have an impact, plus their fixtures are run a lot better TBH..

Drink was always there but drugs now is big factor, mental health issues are another thing on the rise, not sure what the clubs do now for awareness on these areas, but that needs to be tackled..

The troubles actually helped with Gaa numbers I believe, mainly because of identity, identifying yourself with Ireland and or national sport, the family side of it increased numbers, brothers all playing for the one club and so on, that's still there of course but getting less and less.. once the troubles had stopped kids started to get their kicks elswhere, Belfast opened up and the club wasnt a place where you hung out, the city centre was..

How do we get it back? back to basics for me, get the planning right in the clubs for starters... I know we have taken our eye of the ball lately and as a club we are going through that down turn that all clubs go through, we need to sort ourselves out and no amount of money from headquarters will fix that unless we create the right mix of coaching, encouragement, attitudes and targets to inspire children to stay at the club through to senior...

Its not that long ago we had 2 senior hurling teams, 3 senior football teams, 2 south antrim (beer belly teams ;) ) all getting games.. we are back to one in each code, feeder teams are important but kids just want to play for the first team and walk away now if they are not getting a chance.. The numbers are there and the facilities/pitches are better than what I played on so hopefully the planning that Antrim will put in place with the investment will sort things out long term.. oh and get Casemnet built!


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 16, 2018, 09:58:34 AM
Whatever about the veracity of joe's numbers, he has a point. The strength of the GAA has always been it's clubs. County development squads put pressure on smaller clubs in particular and result in lack of games. Kids need matches to keep up the interest. It is time we got back to our roots.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on April 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM
Carryduff charge £100 for an child to be a member. It's a lot of money to fork out on 7 year old who might not like it. They'd need to have a look at that. Clubs in affluent areas can get carried away sometimes. The clubs should look at themselves first rather than the fixtures, development squads
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on April 16, 2018, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM
Carryduff charge £100 for an child to be a member. It's a lot of money to fork out on 7 year old who might not like it. They'd need to have a look at that. Clubs in affluent areas can get carried away sometimes. The clubs should look at themselves first rather than the fixtures, development squads

Fecking hell, £100 per kid!! That's nuts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
Belfast has too many clubs, and a lot of kids are not being directed into gaa clubs the way they used too at primary level.. schools have more options, I didnt go to a school that had soccer, both Primary and secondary were all Gaa, teachers seemed to have more time to coach and I can remember coaches coming in from other clubs to help out (or poach  ;) )

Now you have soccer in all schools, parents arent bothered anymore also, as long as they are doing something they seem happy enough.. Can't blame soccer for that, its wall to wall coverage on TV so it will have an impact, plus their fixtures are run a lot better TBH..

Drink was always there but drugs now is big factor, mental health issues are another thing on the rise, not sure what the clubs do now for awareness on these areas, but that needs to be tackled..

The troubles actually helped with Gaa numbers I believe, mainly because of identity, identifying yourself with Ireland and or national sport, the family side of it increased numbers, brothers all playing for the one club and so on, that's still there of course but getting less and less.. once the troubles had stopped kids started to get their kicks elswhere, Belfast opened up and the club wasnt a place where you hung out, the city centre was..

How do we get it back? back to basics for me, get the planning right in the clubs for starters... I know we have taken our eye of the ball lately and as a club we are going through that down turn that all clubs go through, we need to sort ourselves out and no amount of money from headquarters will fix that unless we create the right mix of coaching, encouragement, attitudes and targets to inspire children to stay at the club through to senior...

Its not that long ago we had 2 senior hurling teams, 3 senior football teams, 2 south antrim (beer belly teams ;) ) all getting games.. we are back to one in each code, feeder teams are important but kids just want to play for the first team and walk away now if they are not getting a chance.. The numbers are there and the facilities/pitches are better than what I played on so hopefully the planning that Antrim will put in place with the investment will sort things out long term.. oh and get Casemnet built!

how the GPOs tie in with the schools and get the kids that they coach midweek to attend a saturday morning GAA club nursery / academy will dictate if this initiative fails or succeeds. the Dublin model is a GPO is club assigned and schools are assigned to that club / GPO
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
Belfast has too many clubs, and a lot of kids are not being directed into gaa clubs the way they used too at primary level.. schools have more options, I didnt go to a school that had soccer, both Primary and secondary were all Gaa, teachers seemed to have more time to coach and I can remember coaches coming in from other clubs to help out (or poach  ;) )

Now you have soccer in all schools, parents arent bothered anymore also, as long as they are doing something they seem happy enough.. Can't blame soccer for that, its wall to wall coverage on TV so it will have an impact, plus their fixtures are run a lot better TBH..

Drink was always there but drugs now is big factor, mental health issues are another thing on the rise, not sure what the clubs do now for awareness on these areas, but that needs to be tackled..

The troubles actually helped with Gaa numbers I believe, mainly because of identity, identifying yourself with Ireland and or national sport, the family side of it increased numbers, brothers all playing for the one club and so on, that's still there of course but getting less and less.. once the troubles had stopped kids started to get their kicks elswhere, Belfast opened up and the club wasnt a place where you hung out, the city centre was..

How do we get it back? back to basics for me, get the planning right in the clubs for starters... I know we have taken our eye of the ball lately and as a club we are going through that down turn that all clubs go through, we need to sort ourselves out and no amount of money from headquarters will fix that unless we create the right mix of coaching, encouragement, attitudes and targets to inspire children to stay at the club through to senior...

Its not that long ago we had 2 senior hurling teams, 3 senior football teams, 2 south antrim (beer belly teams ;) ) all getting games.. we are back to one in each code, feeder teams are important but kids just want to play for the first team and walk away now if they are not getting a chance.. The numbers are there and the facilities/pitches are better than what I played on so hopefully the planning that Antrim will put in place with the investment will sort things out long term.. oh and get Casemnet built!

how the GPOs tie in with the schools and get the kids that they coach midweek to attend a saturday morning GAA club nursery / academy will dictate if this initiative fails or succeeds. the Dublin model is a GPO is club assigned and schools are assigned to that club / GPO

I get the impression there's very few natural boundaries existing between the clubs and schools in Belfast, especially primary schools.

For example at the Shaws Road area, you've St Pauls, Rossa and Sarsfields pitches right beside each other. The old Rossa club house on the Falls road was a stones throw from St Galls and their pitches. O'D's are right beside St Johns with the Gorts further on up the hill. Davitts are in the mix there somewhere as well as well as a few others. It seems to be family orientated, i.e. you ma or da played for such and such a club, so you play for them. That's OK, but new young blood needs to be brought into the fold.

A friend of mine was telling me of a GDO who was in the school he teaches at and the GDO was informing the kids of when the training was at the club he was affiliated to and the next day the school took a call from the chairman of another club giving out about the GDO showing favouritism to his own club. I'd say whoever looks after the GDO's in Antrim got a similar call if not quicker.

As MR suggests probably too many small clubs and none willing to yield an inch to the other.

On the South Belfast side of things, Carryduff do indeed charge £100 per child membership and from all accounts there's very little leeway on that.  I can't say for sure whether Bredagh are in the same ballpark or not, but they both have really big numbers at underage as the likes of the attendances at their Cúl Camps shows.
Problems I have with that are that if a youngster then decides to pick up a hurl, they've to get a helmet at almost £40 if they chose to buy a subsidised one from the club and then a hurl itself at anything from £15 up you're well out of pocket before you even think about boots and playing gear. That's a big ask for any parent.

In terms of how are they doing on the field, hurling wise Bredagh and Carryduff have picked up quite a few underage championships but really haven't kicked on at adult level. I gather that the same may be true at the football, but can't say for sure.
I'd know a few of their coaches quite well and was asking one last year or the year before as to why their minors were so weak after they'd won the U14 Feile at that age group with a very large panel and he was pretty forthright in that a lot of the hurlers just quit when winning started to get harder, "just another middle class sport" were his words, where they pick and choose. Most still lived in the area. He'd an U16 team down in our place a few weeks back and I happened to be complimenting their fullback who I thought was outstanding and one of the other coaches shrugged his shoulders and "sure he plays schools cup rugby for Methody, not sure how long we'll have him for". That can happen anywhere but there doesn't seem to be the connection to adult hurling/football teams there as yet whereas it's a given in some other places. Must be soul destroying for the coaches at times.
I can only think of one lad currently on the Down senior hurling panel from South Belfast at the minute, if even that and its not as if its a strong panel.

On the county development squads I'm in total agreement with Joe as they are getting in the way of clubs developing youngsters due to the asks put on those picked to go on them. The clubs are having to put training and games on hold far too much.
They are meant to supplement clubs and not replace them as per the Kilkenny model.

Someone touched on the recreational aspect and back in my day that was what we called the thirds team or turds, aka junior team where the lads didn't train, were either shite but loved the game, were retired from serious stuff and in it for the craic or the young lads cutting their teeth (literally) at the adult game as well as play underage.
It wasn't for everybody  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
Belfast has too many clubs, and a lot of kids are not being directed into gaa clubs the way they used too at primary level.. schools have more options, I didnt go to a school that had soccer, both Primary and secondary were all Gaa, teachers seemed to have more time to coach and I can remember coaches coming in from other clubs to help out (or poach  ;) )

Now you have soccer in all schools, parents arent bothered anymore also, as long as they are doing something they seem happy enough.. Can't blame soccer for that, its wall to wall coverage on TV so it will have an impact, plus their fixtures are run a lot better TBH..

Drink was always there but drugs now is big factor, mental health issues are another thing on the rise, not sure what the clubs do now for awareness on these areas, but that needs to be tackled..

The troubles actually helped with Gaa numbers I believe, mainly because of identity, identifying yourself with Ireland and or national sport, the family side of it increased numbers, brothers all playing for the one club and so on, that's still there of course but getting less and less.. once the troubles had stopped kids started to get their kicks elswhere, Belfast opened up and the club wasnt a place where you hung out, the city centre was..

How do we get it back? back to basics for me, get the planning right in the clubs for starters... I know we have taken our eye of the ball lately and as a club we are going through that down turn that all clubs go through, we need to sort ourselves out and no amount of money from headquarters will fix that unless we create the right mix of coaching, encouragement, attitudes and targets to inspire children to stay at the club through to senior...

Its not that long ago we had 2 senior hurling teams, 3 senior football teams, 2 south antrim (beer belly teams ;) ) all getting games.. we are back to one in each code, feeder teams are important but kids just want to play for the first team and walk away now if they are not getting a chance.. The numbers are there and the facilities/pitches are better than what I played on so hopefully the planning that Antrim will put in place with the investment will sort things out long term.. oh and get Casemnet built!

how the GPOs tie in with the schools and get the kids that they coach midweek to attend a saturday morning GAA club nursery / academy will dictate if this initiative fails or succeeds. the Dublin model is a GPO is club assigned and schools are assigned to that club / GPO

I get the impression there's very few natural boundaries existing between the clubs and schools in Belfast, especially primary schools.

For example at the Shaws Road area, you've St Pauls, Rossa and Sarsfields pitches right beside each other. The old Rossa club house on the Falls road was a stones throw from St Galls and their pitches. O'D's are right beside St Johns with the Gorts further on up the hill. Davitts are in the mix there somewhere as well as well as a few others. It seems to be family orientated, i.e. you ma or da played for such and such a club, so you play for them. That's OK, but new young blood needs to be brought into the fold.

A friend of mine was telling me of a GDO who was in the school he teaches at and the GDO was informing the kids of when the training was at the club he was affiliated to and the next day the school took a call from the chairman of another club giving out about the GDO showing favouritism to his own club. I'd say whoever looks after the GDO's in Antrim got a similar call if not quicker.

As MR suggests probably too many small clubs and none willing to yield an inch to the other.

On the South Belfast side of things, Carryduff do indeed charge £100 per child membership and from all accounts there's very little leeway on that.  I can't say for sure whether Bredagh are in the same ballpark or not, but they both have really big numbers at underage as the likes of the attendances at their Cúl Camps shows.
Problems I have with that are that if a youngster then decides to pick up a hurl, they've to get a helmet at almost £40 if they chose to buy a subsidised one from the club and then a hurl itself at anything from £15 up you're well out of pocket before you even think about boots and playing gear. That's a big ask for any parent.

In terms of how are they doing on the field, hurling wise Bredagh and Carryduff have picked up quite a few underage championships but really haven't kicked on at adult level. I gather that the same may be true at the football, but can't say for sure.
I'd know a few of their coaches quite well and was asking one last year or the year before as to why their minors were so weak after they'd won the U14 Feile at that age group with a very large panel and he was pretty forthright in that a lot of the hurlers just quit when winning started to get harder, "just another middle class sport" were his words, where they pick and choose. Most still lived in the area. He'd an U16 team down in our place a few weeks back and I happened to be complimenting their fullback who I thought was outstanding and one of the other coaches shrugged his shoulders and "sure he plays schools cup rugby for Methody, not sure how long we'll have him for". That can happen anywhere but there doesn't seem to be the connection to adult hurling/football teams there as yet whereas it's a given in some other places. Must be soul destroying for the coaches at times.
I can only think of one lad currently on the Down senior hurling panel from South Belfast at the minute, if even that and its not as if its a strong panel.

On the county development squads I'm in total agreement with Joe as they are getting in the way of clubs developing youngsters due to the asks put on those picked to go on them. The clubs are having to put training and games on hold far too much.
They are meant to supplement clubs and not replace them as per the Kilkenny model.

Someone touched on the recreational aspect and back in my day that was what we called the thirds team or turds, aka junior team where the lads didn't train, were either shite but loved the game, were retired from serious stuff and in it for the craic or the young lads cutting their teeth (literally) at the adult game as well as play underage.
It wasn't for everybody  ;D

Back in the day it was your parish as such, kids played and went to St Galls school, there was a st Paul's Parish, Gorts and Ardoyne and St Endas to an extent would be parish clubs as such, the rest, well, kids grow up and move , Bredagh would be generally all from te one area as would St Brigid's, as for Rossa, ourselves and the rest, they are from all over, some of the bigger clubs are to blame in fairness, scooping up kids from schools before they had a chance to go to their local club, and that was when coaches went into the schools..

I'd be half a mile from my club growing up, but I'd have past Rossa O'D's The Johnnies before getting to my club, (more or less) in the other direction the same distance would have been McDee's, Dywers (closed shop ;) ) and Davitts, which had a coach assigned to my school.. You just went to the club that gave out the free bottles of coke after a match  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on April 16, 2018, 03:49:40 PM
Find it borderline ridiculous that a club can go from winning the minor championship last year to not fielding a minor team this year. Is there no lower grade they could enter and play 13-aside?

My experience of playing Belfast teams at u16 and minor back in the day in challenge games is that they always had big numbers, the players were all bigger, there was always one player that looked about 30 and they always told you that they didn't even have their full team cos half the panel played were away with antrim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 16, 2018, 03:49:40 PM
Find it borderline ridiculous that a club can go from winning the minor championship last year to not fielding a minor team this year. Is there no lower grade they could enter and play 13-aside?

My experience of playing Belfast teams at u16 and minor back in the day in challenge games is that they always had big numbers, the players were all bigger, there was always one player that looked about 30 and they always told you that they didn't even have their full team cos half the panel played were away with antrim.

At juvenile there was always a big kid on the teams, they all evened out come senior (well not me ffs) The Johnnies always had the bigger lad..

Lower grades playing 13 a-side would be perfect tbh.. I see no reason for this to happen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on April 16, 2018, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......


No parish rule in Dublin - the club Steering committee would typically look at what they're getting out of different schools and concentrate resources accordingly - lots of schools in Dublin with crossover between clubs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all

Carryduff you mean!

Compared to some South Dublin clubs I'm sure it does seem reasonable but then again hurling isn't seen as a working class sport in a lot of those areas.

I know we couldn't ask for such memberships and hope to have any youngsters come through the gates.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all

Carryduff you mean!

Compared to some South Dublin clubs I'm sure it does seem reasonable but then again hurling isn't seen as a working class sport in a lot of those areas.

I know we couldn't ask for such memberships and hope to have any youngsters come through the gates.

Carryduff i meant........Bredagh are £70


90% of all dublin clubs would be at this rate and more I believe. Clubs only charge what its costing to run the show presumably

Is there a parish rule in Antrim and Down ??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 16, 2018, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: general_lee on April 16, 2018, 03:49:40 PM
Find it borderline ridiculous that a club can go from winning the minor championship last year to not fielding a minor team this year. Is there no lower grade they could enter and play 13-aside?

My experience of playing Belfast teams at u16 and minor back in the day in challenge games is that they always had big numbers, the players were all bigger, there was always one player that looked about 30 and they always told you that they didn't even have their full team cos half the panel played were away with antrim.

We had the same craic playing challenge games against Dublin teams.
Plenty of lads called 'Anto' that looked like they were out on day release from Mountjoy.
You'd be wary of going too far ahead of them in case they might get 'bored'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 17, 2018, 09:25:48 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all

Carryduff you mean!

Compared to some South Dublin clubs I'm sure it does seem reasonable but then again hurling isn't seen as a working class sport in a lot of those areas.

I know we couldn't ask for such memberships and hope to have any youngsters come through the gates.

Carryduff i meant........Bredagh are £70


90% of all dublin clubs would be at this rate and more I believe. Clubs only charge what its costing to run the show presumably

Is there a parish rule in Antrim and Down ??

Most Dublin clubs, certainly the bigger dual ones, would be close to €200 for juveniles. Their academys would be close to €100. Pitch hire for all these kids is an expensive business.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on April 17, 2018, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 17, 2018, 09:25:48 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all

Carryduff you mean!

Compared to some South Dublin clubs I'm sure it does seem reasonable but then again hurling isn't seen as a working class sport in a lot of those areas.

I know we couldn't ask for such memberships and hope to have any youngsters come through the gates.

Carryduff i meant........Bredagh are £70


90% of all dublin clubs would be at this rate and more I believe. Clubs only charge what its costing to run the show presumably

Is there a parish rule in Antrim and Down ??

Most Dublin clubs, certainly the bigger dual ones, would be close to €200 for juveniles. Their academys would be close to €100. Pitch hire for all these kids is an expensive business.

I think these costs are incredible. But then if it is expensive for pitches etc. I always loved that our games were more or less free. £5 or £10 yearly membership. Surely these costs are prohibitive to lots of families? If you have 3 or 4 children at €200 a pop, plus boots, jerseys, shorts etc. It would work into almost a €1000 for the year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
All would obviously do family memberships so it could be capped at say 400 or 450

competitor team sports all charge more....

None of those clubs are putting it away in savings accounts so I presume they try to match membership fees to operational expenses
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on April 17, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 16, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
In Dublin I believe the county board assigns the schools to each club and then that clubs GPO can only attend those schools......

co board needs to take over inter club bickering and work out a system that will maximise the numbers playing irrespective of what club.

Don't see any issue with Bredagh's fees at all

Carryduff you mean!

Compared to some South Dublin clubs I'm sure it does seem reasonable but then again hurling isn't seen as a working class sport in a lot of those areas.

I know we couldn't ask for such memberships and hope to have any youngsters come through the gates.

Carryduff i meant........Bredagh are £70


90% of all dublin clubs would be at this rate and more I believe. Clubs only charge what its costing to run the show presumably

Is there a parish rule in Antrim and Down ??

In Rural Down, by and large there is a parish rule, not sure how the likes of Newry operate with more than one club in it. Most largish towns have only one club, i.e Downpatrick, Newcastle, Warrenpoint, Castlewellan etc, etc.
In theory Carryduff and Bredagh would be separate parishes but I'm sure there's a cross over depending on who lives where.
There could be the odd exceptions that I'm not aware of.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
Thanks Johnny

every county seems to differ but weaker clubs to my eyes suffer most where no parish rule exists
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on April 17, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
Thanks Johnny

every county seems to differ but weaker clubs to my eyes suffer most where no parish rule exists

Can still be abused as the caravan's have been pitched up in certain area's to obtain transfers in the past  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 10:58:44 AM
agreed but at least makes it harder.....

has to be very disheartening for small clubs to end up as feeder for a small number of elite clubs in any county
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 17, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Parish rule where it exists is one of the best things about the GAA. In rugby and soccer it can be a free for all and one of the biggest factors in participation numbers dropping off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 17, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Parish rule where it exists is one of the best things about the GAA. In rugby and soccer it can be a free for all and one of the biggest factors in participation numbers dropping off.

coming from a county which practises it and try to coach and admin in counties which dont I am in full agreement with you
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 17, 2018, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 17, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Parish rule where it exists is one of the best things about the GAA. In rugby and soccer it can be a free for all and one of the biggest factors in participation numbers dropping off.

coming from a county which practises it and try to coach and admin in counties which dont I am in full agreement with you

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
this can never survive, posters agreeing with each other :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 17, 2018, 11:50:43 AM
Bunch of spoofers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 17, 2018, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 17, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
All would obviously do family memberships so it could be capped at say 400 or 450

competitor team sports all charge more....

None of those clubs are putting it away in savings accounts so I presume they try to match membership fees to operational expenses

Yeah, family memberships in around the €400 mark.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 17, 2018, 01:22:32 PM
€80 family, €60 adult, €40 child about the standard in these parts.
Might be more in the wealthy Southern climes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 17, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Enrole your kids in a swimming club and see how much you pay, back 15 years ago we were lying £250 for 2 kids.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 17, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Enrole your kids in a swimming club and see how much you pay, back 15 years ago we were lying £250 for 2 kids.

Was going to say that, there are other sporting bodies out there that cost a lot.. Hockey, soccer and no doubt rugby all charge a lot... then you have to buy all the shit that goes with it..

During my juvenile days you got it all, free lift to and from club if needed, free sticks, food afters and a bottle of coke!, trips to Croke park to watch the finals and the summer scheme was free also. Our club had money then, not so much now
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: east down gael on April 17, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
Parish rule exists in Bredagh and Carryduff,no different to anywhere else in down. Rightfully so,otherwise one of the two would mop up all the underage talent,which considering the size of both clubs would be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Man on April 17, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 17, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Enrole your kids in a swimming club and see how much you pay, back 15 years ago we were lying £250 for 2 kids.

Was going to say that, there are other sporting bodies out there that cost a lot.. Hockey, soccer and no doubt rugby all charge a lot... then you have to buy all the shit that goes with it..

During my juvenile days you got it all, free lift to and from club if needed, free sticks, food afters and a bottle of coke!, trips to Croke park to watch the finals and the summer scheme was free also. Our club had money then, not so much now
I wouldn't listen to anyone complaining about GAA club membership when I hear what people pay for other clubs, as you say Milltown part of the problem is how much we got for nothing back in the day. Anyone who has served any time on a club committee will tell you the finances are a melt with most clubs living hand to mouth. The biggest issue for me is the uncertainty of fixtures in which we can't compete with soccer or rugby.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 29, 2018, 11:18:21 PM
Has Joe got it in for Donegal? His article today is pure nonsense. Sure what county team doesn't go to great lengths to hide their sessions and games yet Joe picks out Donegal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maigheo on April 30, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Brolly is a total clown  End of story
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on April 30, 2018, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: maigheo on April 30, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Brolly is a total clown  End of story

Dear Sir,

How dare you insult me by comparing my profession to Joe Brolly.
Signed

Bozo c/o Fossetts Circus
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 30, 2018, 02:58:56 PM
Be careful Bozo, you could be in Joes next "article"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on April 30, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
The hate Joe mob on the rampage again
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on April 30, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 30, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
The hate Joe mob on the rampage again

Yep - must be getting their fix again
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on April 30, 2018, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 30, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
The hate Joe mob on the rampage again

I'm actually a big fan of Joe. Enjoys his writing and find him very amusing, just find that from time to time he can stray into nonsense territory and this article was certainly that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 30, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: ck on April 30, 2018, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 30, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
The hate Joe mob on the rampage again

I'm actually a big fan of Joe. Enjoys his writing and find him very amusing, just find that from time to time he can stray into nonsense territory and this article was certainly that.
Most of the time in truth. It's all part of his created gimmick and so long as he grabs the attention thats all that matters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 30, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
The hate Joe mob on the rampage again

lol - Pot,  Kettle etc.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on May 03, 2018, 03:01:07 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 30, 2018, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: maigheo on April 30, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Brolly is a total clown  End of story

Dear Sir,

How dare you insult me by comparing my profession to Joe Brolly.
Signed

Bozo c/o Fossetts Circus
Are you related to Tony Fearon's mate Coco?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Avondhu star on May 03, 2018, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 03, 2018, 03:01:07 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 30, 2018, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: maigheo on April 30, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Brolly is a total clown  End of story

Dear Sir,

How dare you insult me by comparing my profession to Joe Brolly.
Signed

Bozo c/o Fossetts Circus
Are you related to Tony Fearon's mate Coco?

Coco is a has been. Lucky to get a job sweeping up the elephants shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on June 25, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
for those of us who don't have access to it how ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Just Joe being very liberal with his facts again.
However, this time someone has pulled him up on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Just Joe being very liberal with his facts again.
However, this time someone has pulled him up on it.
To be fair, I think Brolly is right on this one, however himself and Antrim GAA don't see eye to eye.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Just Joe being very liberal with his facts again.
However, this time someone has pulled him up on it.
To be fair, I think Brolly is right on this one, however himself and Antrim GAA don't see eye to eye.

Aye but either he was bullshitting about his role coaching Antrim to embellish his piece a few years ago or he's bullshitting now. Either way he's been caught out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jayop on June 25, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Just Joe being very liberal with his facts again.
However, this time someone has pulled him up on it.
To be fair, I think Brolly is right on this one, however himself and Antrim GAA don't see eye to eye.

Aye but either he was bullshitting about his role coaching Antrim to embellish his piece a few years ago or he's bullshitting now. Either way he's been caught out.

Somehow with Brolly I imagine he managed to bullshit both times. Epic douchebag
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: our_fella on June 25, 2018, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: Jayop on June 25, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Just Joe being very liberal with his facts again.
However, this time someone has pulled him up on it.
To be fair, I think Brolly is right on this one, however himself and Antrim GAA don't see eye to eye.

Aye but either he was bullshitting about his role coaching Antrim to embellish his piece a few years ago or he's bullshitting now. Either way he's been caught out.

Somehow with Brolly I imagine he managed to bullshit both times. Epic douchebag

Who's page is the tweet on? Don't see it on brollys
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Bearded One on June 25, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.

Why so?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 25, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.

Why so?

That farce of a performance from Fermanagh. He should call out Gallagher's tactics on that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 25, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.

Why so?

That farce of a performance from Fermanagh. He should call out Gallagher's tactics on that.
What was farcical about it?

Donegal are a much better team.

Fermanagh did bloody well to even get to the Ulster final.

They weren't good enough. So what? They certainly weren't completely disgraced like Cork were by Kerry and teams have had worse capitulations in Ulster finals before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 25, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.

Why so?

That farce of a performance from Fermanagh. He should call out Gallagher's tactics on that.
What was farcical about it?

Donegal are a much better team.

Fermanagh did bloody well to even get to the Ulster final.

They weren't good enough. So what? They certainly weren't completely disgraced like Cork were by Kerry and teams have had worse capitulations in Ulster finals before.

It was a joke. Second half they copped on a bit and tried to go for it. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 25, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 25, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Declan Bogue made a fair old eejit out of Brolly on Twitter today.

Declan Bogue should be embarrassed today.

Why so?

That farce of a performance from Fermanagh. He should call out Gallagher's tactics on that.
What was farcical about it?

Donegal are a much better team.

Fermanagh did bloody well to even get to the Ulster final.

They weren't good enough. So what? They certainly weren't completely disgraced like Cork were by Kerry and teams have had worse capitulations in Ulster finals before.

It was a joke. Second half they copped on a bit and tried to go for it. Embarrassing.
There was nothing embarrassing about it.

They were beaten by a much better team and wouldn't have been in the final at all were it not for their tactics.

Beating two teams who were in the All-Ireland quarter-finals last year shows they were more than justified to play the way they played.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 09:17:12 AM
They were a joke on Sunday. End of.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 09:18:34 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 09:17:12 AM
They were a joke on Sunday. End of.
Trmendous debating.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
[/quote
Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
[/quote
Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
[/quote
Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: longballin on June 26, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
[/quote
Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!

Don't see any big deal with Brolly or Frank or anyone else miss that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 26, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 26, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2018, 08:00:21 AM
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
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Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!

Don't see any big deal with Brolly or Frank or anyone else miss that.
But for money Brolly would have been there - no show like a Joe show!  Great chance to blow a few kisses missed! Did send his daughter thou. Hope she gets doing the All Ireland one as well, sur!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 01:00:02 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-bt-of-science-simply-cant-handle-quality-football-37091825.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-bt-of-science-simply-cant-handle-quality-football-37091825.html)

QuoteThere has been a lot of debate over the last few years about the usefulness of science in the game. System v Spontaneity. Statistics v Creativity. Jim McGuinness, for example, is a leading proponent of the system-based approach. Presumably, it was on this basis that he predicted in a recent Irish Times column that Fermanagh were capable of winning the Ulster final because they "have the capacity to keep Donegal to 0-10". He went on to say that his prediction was based not on ability and flair, but on science.

"This is not about the best team; it is about the best system."

Donegal managed 2-18, as it turned out, so just the 2-8 more than Jim predicted. No doubt he will explain the science behind that in a future column. As for Kerry's destructive path through Munster, he explained this on the basis that, "Kerry have reached a flow state". This, he wrote "is an intense, highly-focused concentration on the present where the participant gets sort of lost in the activity and where there is a sense of time being altered". I'm not sure about the physics behind that, but I certainly had a sense of time being altered trying to read the piece, which seemed to go on forever.

Quite a personal dig at McGuinness. Brolly goes to wax lyrically about Kerry.

QuoteThey have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

The bullsh!t of science can't handle quality football according to Joe, I'd have loved to watch him sitting through the Kerry Galway game with a big sour waspish face.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 26, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
Joe takes aim at McGuinness......

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 26, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I'm not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let's just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on August 26, 2018, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 26, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
Joe takes aim at McGuinness......

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html)

Couldn't get past that first paragraph. Guess I'll never know
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on August 26, 2018, 10:31:02 PM
QuoteThey have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-barcelona-368505

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-warns-of-donegal-shock-205341.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on August 26, 2018, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 26, 2018, 10:31:02 PM
QuoteThey have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-barcelona-368505

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-warns-of-donegal-shock-205341.html

Shock as Joe Brolly articulates populist BS.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on August 26, 2018, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 26, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I'm not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let's just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.
As an analysis piece, McGuinness's latest article was superb.

Still, if people prefer shit yarns about donkeys playing for Juventus to actual proper analysis, that's their choice.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 26, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
Joe takes aim at McGuinness......

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html)
.

His stats in the third paragraph are irrelevant.

Newsflash Joe. There are more people in mayo than monaghan. Of course the viewing numbers would be down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on August 27, 2018, 07:40:22 AM
More brollt nonsense. He's tore into harte and how Tyrone play some times in a manner thats been in bad taste.

Fact is hartes plan has worked. If Tyrone get beat which is very likely he will jump on the chance to blame hartes style. That's a very easy position to take with low risk from his point of view. Coward
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 27, 2018, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 26, 2018, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 26, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I'm not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let's just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.
As an analysis piece, McGuinness's latest article was superb.

Still, if people prefer shit yarns about donkeys playing for Juventus to actual proper analysis, that's their choice.

I mightn't like the road that Jim McGuinness took gaelic football down but I admired his cajones and absolute conviction to advocate a plan consisting of the entire team camped inside their own 50 metre line. And I have absolutely no doubt that this is something that McGuinness would implement for the final now if he were in charge of Tyrone. The point is that he doesn't care two hoots about the spectacle or the aesthetics of the game. His argument is 'do whatever it takes to win no matter how ugly and no matter what flak you receive'. I admire his brazenness to an extent.

However as spectators the reason we watch sport is to be entertained. I find all of these tactical analysis pieces very tedious and boring to listen to. That piece of McGuinness' was extremely tedious and boring but I did read it because he does have a lot of original thought and is clearly a smart man. Most tactical analaysis by it's very definition is very boring and I see more and more of these type of columns where so called 'super coaches' give their tactical breakdown on gaelic football. Some of it is mind numbingly boring and of interest mostly to tactical anoraks.

I have never before been so blase about watching an All Ireland final as this one. Maybe we will be surprised and it will be a classic but I very much doubt it.         
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2018, 10:34:04 AM
Blaming Dublin for holding onto the ball cause the other team camped in their own half! Yip they to blame for football on ills and not the defensive teams they have to play against!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on August 27, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
Regardless of your thoughts on Brolly there is no denying McGuinness is as hypocritical as they come.

He patented this tactic of the shite blanket defence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 27, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
Regardless of your thoughts on Brolly there is no denying McGuinness is as hypocritical as they come.

He patented this tactic of the shite blanket defence.

How is he hypocritical? If anything he is doubling down on his blanket defence tactics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on August 27, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 27, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
Regardless of your thoughts on Brolly there is no denying McGuinness is as hypocritical as they come.

He patented this tactic of the shite blanket defence.

How is he hypocritical? If anything he is doubling down on his blanket defence tactics.

He is blaming Dublin for doing nothing with the ball when in fact it is his fault the blanket defence has permeated all levels of the game and make viewing almost impossible
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on August 28, 2018, 02:07:12 PM
If your club needed a manager and you had a choice between Brolly or McGuinness who would you choose?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 14, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
He's going after MMA now

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/joe-brolly-is-it-good-enough-that-a-young-man-be-beaten-to-death-in-a-cage-for-our-amusement-34633644.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 14, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Don't understand the AttRaction of mma. You may as well watch two gypos fighting in a car park.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on October 14, 2018, 06:29:38 PM
Agree 100% , hard to believe it is becoming mainstream.
I refuse to watch it .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 14, 2018, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 14, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Don't understand the AttRaction of mma. You may as well watch two gypos fighting in a car park.

But if you do come across a couple of lads digging in a car park you'll watch it!!

I've no great love for McGregor or the sport at all so happy enough for Joe to get stuck into them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on October 14, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 14, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
He's going after MMA now

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/joe-brolly-is-it-good-enough-that-a-young-man-be-beaten-to-death-in-a-cage-for-our-amusement-34633644.html

I love watching boxing, but jesus that article is a real leveller. That pic of Michael Watson at the end of his bout with Eubank gave me shivers. Mind it like it was yesterday.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 14, 2018, 08:18:17 PM
It's hard to argue with anything he said in the article.

First person to say "don't like it, don't watch it" is getting muted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 14, 2018, 08:43:39 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/mma/joe-brolly-the-time-has-come-to-call-a-halt-to-the-ufcs-bloody-freak-show-37417393.html

This is today's article.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on October 14, 2018, 10:29:36 PM
What's more fcuked up is boys flying to Vegas to watch this freak show. And the sad thing is lots of lads going to train in mma to emulate him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 14, 2018, 11:46:34 PM
"MMA is not a sport. It is sold and marketed like the violent video game market. No boundaries. No rules, violence is good. Smash up a bus (a UFC spokesperson said next day "Dana is very pissed off about this."). Gloat over your opponent shitting in the cage as you literally beat the shit out of her. Knock a rival supporter unconscious as part of the fun. Kill a Portuguese kid. Let it all spread like wildfire amongst the kids."

Given Joe's obvious distain for the sport and the negative impact it might have on its young fans...im a little surprised he let his own house be the venue for his son and 6 mates to sit up all night and watch it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on October 15, 2018, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 14, 2018, 11:46:34 PM
"MMA is not a sport. It is sold and marketed like the violent video game market. No boundaries. No rules, violence is good. Smash up a bus (a UFC spokesperson said next day "Dana is very pissed off about this."). Gloat over your opponent shitting in the cage as you literally beat the shit out of her. Knock a rival supporter unconscious as part of the fun. Kill a Portuguese kid. Let it all spread like wildfire amongst the kids."

Given Joe's obvious distain for the sport and the negative impact it might have on its young fans...im a little surprised he let his own house be the venue for his son and 6 mates to sit up all night and watch it.

Got up to watch it himself too, just to make sure it was as gruesome as he expected.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on October 15, 2018, 01:00:16 PM
He right on the money IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
When Khabib choked him out in the fourth round, I thought of the fine line they tread between life and death. If that choke had continued, how long before this exhausted human being slipped into a coma? Ten, 15 seconds? What if his windpipe had been crushed? At that point, McGregor could easily have been bleeding into his brain.

The choke wasn't even on his neck, he wasn't paying that much attention.

As for MMA having no rules.......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations (http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 15, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations (http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations)

"The page you were looking for doesn't exist."

Lol that backfired.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 15, 2018, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 15, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations (http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations)

"The page you were looking for doesn't exist."

Lol that backfired.


The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties, at the discretion of thereferee, if committed:

Butting with the head
Eye gouging of any kind
Biting
Spitting at an opponent
Hair pulling
Fish hooking
Groin attacks of any kind
Putting a finger into any orifice or any cut or laceration of an opponent
Small joint manipulation
Striking downward using the point of the elbow
Striking to the spine or the back of the head
Kicking to the kidney with a heel
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh
Grabbing the clavicle
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping a grounded opponent
Holding the fence
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent
Using abusive language in fenced ring/fighting area
Engaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponent
Attacking an opponent on or during the break
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the round
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury
Throwing opponent out of ring/fighting area
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck
Interference by the corner
Applying any foreign substance to the hair or body to gain an advantage
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 15, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

I care little for UFC, but when someone is calling for it to be banned in a national newspaper when he doesn't even ban it in his own home for his 13 your old son and a group of his mates then his argument becomes a little weak.

"This sport is awful, disgusting shouldn't be allowed and is a bad influence on the young ones."

"Dad, can I invite my mates round, stay up all night and watch a violent, rabid sport that you want banned?"

"Yeah, no bother son, make sure and wake me up when it starts".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 15, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 15, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

I care little for UFC, but when someone is calling for it to be banned in a national newspaper when he doesn't even ban it in his own home for his 13 your old son and a group of his mates then his argument becomes a little weak.

"This sport is awful, disgusting shouldn't be allowed and is a bad influence on the young ones."

"Dad, can I invite my mates round, stay up all night and watch a violent, rabid sport that you want banned?"

"Yeah, no bother son, make sure and wake me up when it starts".

Hang on did the article come out before or after he watched the fight??

I know you're from Tyrone and you hate Brolly but at least have a legitimate reason for it!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 15, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: glens73 on October 15, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations (http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations)

"The page you were looking for doesn't exist."

Lol that backfired.

Works fine for me.

I can understand why some people don't like UFC, each to their own. While not safe, it's much safer than boxing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 15, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 15, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 15, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

I care little for UFC, but when someone is calling for it to be banned in a national newspaper when he doesn't even ban it in his own home for his 13 your old son and a group of his mates then his argument becomes a little weak.

"This sport is awful, disgusting shouldn't be allowed and is a bad influence on the young ones."

"Dad, can I invite my mates round, stay up all night and watch a violent, rabid sport that you want banned?"

"Yeah, no bother son, make sure and wake me up when it starts".

Hang on did the article come out before or after he watched the fight??

I know you're from Tyrone and you hate Brolly but at least have a legitimate reason for it!

Thought this myself. What's to say he didn't form an opinion of it based on what he saw that night and would not let the cub watch it in future?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 15, 2018, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

Bit harsh on the Ulster Football Championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on October 15, 2018, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 15, 2018, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

Bit harsh on the Ulster Football Championship.
;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on October 15, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 15, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 15, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
I also think Brolly is spot on regarding UFC. Its basically a bloodsport

You look at the later fights and you can see where the blood has soaked into the mat from previous fights. As far as I can see there really are no rules.

Dana White is a joke with his crocodile tears in the press conference talking about the post fight fiasco.

Dana White's quote a few days later "The pay-per-view numbers are starting to roll in, so I'm in a much better mood than I was on Saturday,"

I expect him to organise a rematch and use the post fight scenes as part of the build up to sell more pay per views. It's all about the money for him/organisation and anything goes as long as it pull in the $$$s

I care little for UFC, but when someone is calling for it to be banned in a national newspaper when he doesn't even ban it in his own home for his 13 your old son and a group of his mates then his argument becomes a little weak.

"This sport is awful, disgusting shouldn't be allowed and is a bad influence on the young ones."

"Dad, can I invite my mates round, stay up all night and watch a violent, rabid sport that you want banned?"

"Yeah, no bother son, make sure and wake me up when it starts".

Hang on did the article come out before or after he watched the fight??

I know you're from Tyrone and you hate Brolly but at least have a legitimate reason for it!

Ah right, so he had no clue whatsoever about what MMA was all about before last Saturday night? Even though he's referenced the Portuguese kid dying and McGregor's behaviour in a pretty damning article posted a few pages back from 2016?

I know you're from Derry but you don't have to agree with everything Joe says.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 15, 2018, 08:50:41 PM
I hate McGregor but I'd venture that MMA is probably safer than pro boxing in the fact that fights are more likely to end in submission, rounds are fewer and there are less occasions of punch drunk fighters bludgening the last remaining sentience out of each other.


Just my opinion. I'd ban MMA because I hate mcgergor and white but the "think of the children" brigade are long in contradicting themselves. Brolly in particular has written many glowing pieces in which he revels in past incidents of everyone-in GAA brawls. Likewise people fondly recall the "99 call" culture in rugby with a rose-tinted zeal whilst the roundly condemning the recent spate of rows, brawls and injuries in GAA as thuggery.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Gs Man on October 16, 2018, 10:19:51 AM
I think Joe had noticed his GAA Board topic page count had stagnated at around 295 or so.  Next thing he's blasting out an incoherent and somewhat factually incorrect rant about MMA, or as he calls it "UFC".

300 pages in no time!  Good man Joe!   8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orchard park on October 16, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!

Is this UFC  really real life. To me it's as scripted as WWE ever was with pretty predictabe results
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!

He is a different character altogether . But look at boxing. Didn't Tyson threaten to eat Lewis' kids. Haye with a tshirt if him holding the devapitated heads of the Klitschko brothers. They just want to sell fights and they stoop to very low levels to do so
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!

He is a different character altogether . But look at boxing. Didn't Tyson threaten to eat Lewis' kids. Haye with a tshirt if him holding the devapitated heads of the Klitschko brothers. They just want to sell fights and they stoop to very low levels to do so

When you're comparing the standards/behaviour in your sport to boxing for integrity and basic human decency then frankly you've already lost your argument
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!

He is a different character altogether . But look at boxing. Didn't Tyson threaten to eat Lewis' kids. Haye with a tshirt if him holding the devapitated heads of the Klitschko brothers. They just want to sell fights and they stoop to very low levels to do so

When you're comparing the standards/behaviour in your sport to boxing for integrity and basic human decency then frankly you've already lost your argument

Where did I compare the standards and behaviours of Gaelic football to boxing? I'm not really an MMA fan. Or a boxing fan either. When you start making assumptions about someone you've lost your argument
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
I pointed out MMA has no standard it won't go below. You equated it to Tyson's antics in boxing. I agree it's nothing to do with Gaelic Football and I never said it was. You somehow went down that tangent.

Although one thing GAA and UFC has in common is the fact athletes in both sports refuse to accept responsibility for their actions
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
I pointed out MMA has no standard it won't go below. You equated it to Tyson's antics in boxing. I agree it's nothing to do with Gaelic Football and I never said it was. You somehow went down that tangent.

Although one thing GAA and UFC has in common is the fact athletes in both sports refuse to accept responsibility for their actions

I may have picked you up wrong when you said 'your sport'. I wasn't equating. I was giving an example to show it isn't just McGregor and/or UFC where such depths are reached
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Pmk1987 on October 17, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
McGregor is a national treasure but the difference in his manner from the day he bust onto the scene and today I feel has gone a bit sour. Maybe he has forgot his roots. I understand he takes mental warfare to a different level but whilst he used to be hilarious he is now not much more than pure embarrassing. Does anyone agree?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on October 17, 2018, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: Pmk1987 on October 17, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
McGregor is a national treasure

Are you taking the piss?  Ewan McKenna summed him up well!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on October 17, 2018, 03:26:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 16, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 15, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 15, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
I got the impression it was the 1sf time he seen it and didn't realise what it was like. God forbid be then does some research before writing the piece
As stated, this is his 2nd article calling for it to be banned. The 1st was 2 and a half years ago.

It's a pity it didn't happen. To think there was talk of awarding the freedom of the city to Conor McGregor. It seems there is nothing you can't say or do to promote a fight as long it brings in the Pay per views

That's not just limited to MMA tho

True, but the stuff McGregor comes out with is outrageous and frankly family/religion/race of his opponents are areas he seems to take particular enjoyment in insulting. Also using footage of him throwing stuff at the bus previously to promote the fight was ridiculous. That was something you would expect from the WWE, except all their story lines are scripted and not real life!

He is a different character altogether . But look at boxing. Didn't Tyson threaten to eat Lewis' kids. Haye with a tshirt if him holding the devapitated heads of the Klitschko brothers. They just want to sell fights and they stoop to very low levels to do so
Exactly. But for some reason people (Irish people in particular) think McGregor is being serious when he's talking nonsense in the fight build ups! It's all a big pretence (unreal that that has to be stated!). If you don't like this stuff in boxing, then you'll hate it in UFC, but it sells tickets, so they'll keep doing it in both sports.

When he slagged Khabib off for not taking a slug of his whiskey, you'd all the snowflakes saying he's abusing Khabib about being a Muslim! Even Khabib didn't think that. Khabib said he insulted his country and his family. Didn't refer to race or religion. And Khabib slagged off the Irish too. But I know he doesn't actually give two fooks whether Irish people speak Irish or English just like McGregor doesn't know or care whether Dagestan is a backward place or not.

Brolly knows well his audience, and they'll lap it up.

The bus episode was a disaster of course. But it was definitely pre-planned. McGregor and his goons let into the area and told exactly where to go. Khabib said he's positive the bus driver was told to wait, as the bus started to leave, then he reversed, then a few minutes later the boys arrived. And cameras everywhere to cover it. Of course, McGregor went well beyond the plan by breaking windows! And only himself to blame for the trouble that landed him in.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on October 21, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Joe will be back on Crossmaglen band wagon. He was at Athletic Grounds today to see a great game of football with 1 goal and 39 points scored with only 5 from placed balls. Nothing wrong with football if coaches encourage players to play in a progressive manner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 21, 2018, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 21, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Joe will be back on Crossmaglen band wagon. He was at Athletic Grounds today to see a great game of football with 1 goal and 39 points scored with only 5 from placed balls. Nothing wrong with football if coaches encourage players to play in a progressive manner.

He seemed to enjoy it alright. Was a very good game
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on October 21, 2018, 11:52:34 PM
Where you watching Brolly watching the match ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on October 22, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
300 pages. Joe will be loving this!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 22, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 22, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
300 pages. Joe will be loving this!

I'm sure he's logging in every night just to check where its got to  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on October 22, 2018, 04:00:34 PM
UFC is not sport it is thuggery akin to the Roman's with the gladiators. McGregor far from being a treasure is a National embarassment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on October 22, 2018, 07:20:25 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/mma/ccunningham/response-to-joe-brolly/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
Better lock this thread!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: banker on December 05, 2018, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 05, 2018, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
Better lock this thread!!!

What's he done now?

Video doing the rounds this morning of brolly in a bar/club. Lets just say he was up to no good!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 11:21:48 AM
Man was just getting rid of a wasp flying very close to that young ladies body.

Nothing doing!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
tame surely
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:50:31 AM
I would say the reaction will be anything but tame. End of media career at least I would say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:50:31 AM
I would say the reaction will be anything but tame. End of media career at least I would say.

;D At least.  ::)

Seriously - perhaps I've seen a different video than you? What was in the one you saw?



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Doubt there's more than 1 circulating, so i am sure we saw the same thing. I would say by the time the media finish with this one, Joe will be lucky to have a legal career to fall back on tbh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 12:01:26 PM
Ah the video is nothing lads - think we've all seen the same 13 second one.

The only thing is, Joe wouldn't have a great deal of men lining up to defend him I'd say. He'll take a bit of flak but the same man will 'brush' it off.

I'm here all week.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Jesus wise up his clients will love him for that video, business will boom and rte will say nothing.

His women however might not be best pleased given his track record
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 05, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 05, 2018, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Doubt there's more than 1 circulating, so i am sure we saw the same thing. I would say by the time the media finish with this one, Joe will be lucky to have a legal career to fall back on tbh.
WTF? That's def not the one I saw.

here sir, there's folk trying to be offended !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on December 05, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Going by the comments here he might not out-live the prison sentence, never mind work again
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
I am not saying what I want to happen ... but giving an opinion as to what I think will happen. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on December 05, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Doubt there's more than 1 circulating, so i am sure we saw the same thing. I would say by the time the media finish with this one, Joe will be lucky to have a legal career to fall back on tbh.

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 11:50:31 AM
I would say the reaction will be anything but tame. End of media career at least I would say.

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
I am not saying what I want to happen ... but giving an opinion as to what I think will happen. 

I hadn't seen the video until just now, but had read your comments.

I'd advise you to up the dosage on the Valium.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
Keyer, you're crazy  ;D

Care to explain what he's doing that could end his career etc?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 12:55:19 PM
Well ok I hope I am wrong , maybe its no biggie.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Highly paid TV personality pawing all over a young lady? It's absolutely awful looking. He's toast.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
And on another note if anyone finds out where the video was shot please post here, is there a strip joint in Ireland? Just asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on December 05, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
FFS have i missed the real video!? Joe will get a bit of "banter" over it and it'll be a bit of a laugh. That's about it.

On a side note, there are absolute ballbags everywhere, videoing sh*te like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 05, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Highly paid TV personality pawing all over a young lady? It's absolutely awful looking. He's toast.
Consenting man and woman casually flirting in nightclub. He keeps his jobs.

Casually lol.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 05, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
FFS have i missed the real video!? Joe will get a bit of "banter" over it and it'll be a bit of a laugh. That's about it.

On a side note, there are absolute ballbags everywhere, videoing sh*te like that.

Have to agree - not too keen on the rise of these clips/opportunities to discredit and disgrace people. Some people are obviously deserving of things like that for much more serious offences - not this though, nothing to it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aristo 60 on December 05, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Brolly for president may have taken a wee bit of a turn here one way or the other.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Highly paid TV personality pawing all over a young lady? It's absolutely awful looking. He's toast.

Well now we know hes grand, I don't think a single post you've made has been accurate
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
What is in the actual video?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 01:49:05 PM

Is the lady of an Asian ethnicity?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2018, 01:59:44 PM
Lets hope it was a lady!!

Stroking an arm and a hip! Hopefully she/he was over 18
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: snoopdog on December 05, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 05, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
FFS have i missed the real video!? Joe will get a bit of "banter" over it and it'll be a bit of a laugh. That's about it.

On a side note, there are absolute ballbags everywhere, videoing sh*te like that.

Have to agree - not too keen on the rise of these clips/opportunities to discredit and disgrace people. Some people are obviously deserving of things like that for much more serious offences - not this though, nothing to it.
Totally agree. Arseholes videoing someone who prob had a few too many and trying to ruin him. Did he do anything that 1000's of men havent done numerous times before with a few too many. Note i havent seen the video. The smart phone is a terrible invention. Gone are the days you could curl up into a ball for a day or 2 till the FEAR had passed from doing something silly on a night out. Everyone is offended these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 05, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 05, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
FFS have i missed the real video!? Joe will get a bit of "banter" over it and it'll be a bit of a laugh. That's about it.

On a side note, there are absolute ballbags everywhere, videoing sh*te like that.

Have to agree - not too keen on the rise of these clips/opportunities to discredit and disgrace people. Some people are obviously deserving of things like that for much more serious offences - not this though, nothing to it.
Totally agree. Arseholes videoing someone who prob had a few too many and trying to ruin him. Did he do anything that 1000's of men havent done numerous times before with a few too many. Note i havent seen the video. The smart phone is a terrible invention. Gone are the days you could curl up into a ball for a day or 2 till the FEAR had passed from doing something silly on a night out. Everyone is offended these days.

It is a pain yeah, but it's the world we live in unfortunately.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: markl121 on December 05, 2018, 02:21:39 PM
Jaysus it's innocuous enough. I thought it would be far worse
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on December 05, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
What is in the actual video?

Any links lads?

I like to form an opinion based on primary evidence before I gather up a lynch mop and head up the Ravenhill Road.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 05, 2018, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Highly paid TV personality pawing all over a young lady? It's absolutely awful looking. He's toast.

More tea vicar ?!  ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 02:42:39 PM
Just saw the video, Jesus would yous catch a grip. Nothing in it. Can't believe anyone would think his media career is finished.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: markl121 on December 05, 2018, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 05, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
What is in the actual video?

Any links lads?

I like to form an opinion based on primary evidence before I gather up a lynch mop and head up the Ravenhill Road.
Go on his Twitter and read the comments to his "any wonder jimmy mcguinness banned phones" tweet
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on December 05, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Perception is everything in the media business, so I wouldn't say he is out of the woods on this. #MeToo means you can paw at a girl in a club or you can have a highly visible and lucrative media career - but usually, you can't do both.

Crux of this might be the context. If he's locked and sitting there and girl dances over in a club, then he is just a bit of a lecherous auld fool - he could get away with it.

If he is in a strip club though, and he is paying said young woman to come over and dance for him...well, that is a far different power dynamic going on, and it might be too much trouble to defend him.

Be very interesting to see how it plays.

By the way, it is possible to think that people deserve their privacy from geeks with camera phones AND to think that Brolly is actually acting the absolute sleaze here. Cognitive dissonance I think they call it  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
#metoo doesn't have any impact or relevance on pawing or doing whatever you want with a girl in a club, as long as she wants it too. Its about sexual assault ffs.

And re your last point, that isn't cognitive dissonance or anything close to it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on December 05, 2018, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: markl121 on December 05, 2018, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 05, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
What is in the actual video?

Any links lads?

I like to form an opinion based on primary evidence before I gather up a lynch mop and head up the Ravenhill Road.
Go on his Twitter and read the comments to his "any wonder jimmy mcguinness banned phones" tweet

Saw it there now, bit lecherous alright, but consensual by the looks of it.

Hard to know how that will play out.

The Lynch mob is stood down for the time being to see how the twitterati reaction goes. I might need to get offended later.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
And on another note if anyone finds out where the video was shot please post here, is there a strip joint in Ireland? Just asking for a friend.
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Perception is everything in the media business, so I wouldn't say he is out of the woods on this. #MeToo means you can paw at a girl in a club or you can have a highly visible and lucrative media career - but usually, you can't do both.

Crux of this might be the context. If he's locked and sitting there and girl dances over in a club, then he is just a bit of a lecherous auld fool - he could get away with it.

If he is in a strip club though, and he is paying said young woman to come over and dance for him...well, that is a far different power dynamic going on, and it might be too much trouble to defend him.

Be very interesting to see how it plays.

By the way, it is possible to think that people deserve their privacy from geeks with camera phones AND to think that Brolly is actually acting the absolute sleaze here. Cognitive dissonance I think they call it  ;)
The woman was wearing a dress and there was another wearing a dress too in the background. Looks like an ordinary nightclub to me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeremiah O on December 05, 2018, 03:21:46 PM
It's a good job none of today's technology was about the last time I visited Angels in Liverpool🙈
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 03:30:11 PM
There now appears to be a 2nd video.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aristo 60 on December 05, 2018, 03:33:02 PM
It's not Joanne Cantwell is it??  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on December 05, 2018, 03:33:02 PM
It's not Joanne Cantwell is it??  :o

It's Philomena Begley this time the backstard!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on December 05, 2018, 03:33:02 PM
It's not Joanne Cantwell is it??  :o

It's Philomena Begley this time the backstard!

He wanted to put his massive tool in her box, is all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.

He's separated, this is key
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.

He's separated, this is key


Maybe not his wife but his current woman!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.

He's separated, this is key

He's been filmed pawing over two women who are neither his wife, lover or sexual partner. This is key.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 05, 2018, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.
He's separated and goes to Cross matches with a glamorous brunette, according to his Sindo articles
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 05, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
For years on national tv Joe's been seen stroking the thighs of fellow (MALE) panelists, close enough to their private parts and nobody batted an eye, or commenting 'tut tut .... you're getting too touchy feely there Joe'.   But perhaps in the envious hick backwoods of places like Tyrone, Joe's sinful roaming hands have been prudishly scrutinised and proximity measured.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on December 05, 2018, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on December 05, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.

He's separated, this is key

He's been filmed pawing over two women who are neither his wife, lover or sexual partner. This is key.

Key to what?

He's a GAA pundit/journo and a barrister.  He hasn't (as far as I can see) done anything illegal.

Definitely a bit sleazy but I can't see any more in it than that.  I'd venture that there'll be worse things happen at every single works Christmas party in the country over the course of the next few weeks.

He might have to drop thoughts of having a tilt at the presidency though... that wouldn't look good being played on tele during a live debate.

Although the yanks did vote one in who was caught boasting openly about FAR worse.  So who knows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on December 05, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
I'm genuinely shocked that people feel his behaviour is acceptable. I wouldn't want him near my wife or daughter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on December 05, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
I'm genuinely shocked that people feel his behaviour is acceptable. I wouldn't want him near my wife or daughter.

Straw man.  I don't think anyone said it was acceptable.  He was being sleazy.  Which is generally assumed to be unacceptable behaviour.  In the same way that exceeding the speed limit is thought to be unacceptable behaviour.

It doesn't mean he should be disbarred and taken off the airwaves (as some have suggested).

IMO of course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on December 05, 2018, 07:01:10 PM
Not seen video. Don't really want to. But right or wrong, can people just keep their feckin' camera phones in their pockets?

Sweet Jesus, the world has gone simple.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 05, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2018, 07:01:10 PM
Not seen video. Don't really want to. But right or wrong, can people just keep their feckin' camera phones in their pockets?

Sweet Jesus, the world has gone simple.

+100
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Therealdonald on December 05, 2018, 07:09:53 PM
Has he done anything that bad? Someone mentioning #metoo. FFS, he's stroking an arm. Someone mentioned Angels above and they're right, christ can he not take a drink and relax. Anyman advocating for his dismissal, probably gets up on the wife with the lights on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on December 05, 2018, 07:21:58 PM
Stakeknife apparently had photos on his computer of a barrister (JB?) in the High Court canteen getting stuck into a chicken!!  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Anyone been to a stag do? I've seen a lot worse in your typical night away with lads from the club! And  none of it was illegal.. some proper fannies on this thread
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2018, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
I'm genuinely shocked that people feel his behaviour is acceptable. I wouldn't want him near my wife or daughter.

Shocked that people aren't shocked, it's symptomatic of the age that we live in.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 05, 2018, 09:14:06 PM
Just seen the video. Some of the lads on here saying he should be sacked etc. have embarrassed themselves more than Brolly has. A wee bit of a lingering hand and nothing more. Move along.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: giveherlong on December 05, 2018, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Anyone been to a stag do? I've seen a lot worse in your typical night away with lads from the club! And  none of it was illegal.. some proper fannies on this thread

Well said
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2018, 12:33:36 AM
Brolly with no one by all accounts, but don't know about a girlfriend. I Good job u holier than now lads didn't go to renshaws, bot etc back in the day, you see plenty to get offended about!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: toby47 on December 06, 2018, 08:00:18 AM
IMO it's embarrassing for him, but he's done nothing illegal and everyone should chill out.

Ones calling for an end to his media roles etc need to get out more.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on December 06, 2018, 08:14:41 AM
From the 2 videos I saw the only thing he should worry about is the glamorous brunette who may not be too happy.

Anyone talking about his career being jeopardised seriously need to take a look at themselves.

'Lovin this velvet'  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeremiah O on December 06, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
3rd video doing the rounds now!
I wouldn't have much time for Brolly,to say the least but the reaction to these videos are way OTT in my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 06, 2018, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on December 06, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
3rd video doing the rounds now!
I wouldn't have much time for Brolly,to say the least but the reaction to these videos are way OTT in my opinion.

A lot of the 'outrage' I'd say is because of his media personality. People need to realise that Brolly plays a role on screen.

Having met the man in person on a number of occasions, it's something clearly obvious and that he freely admits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on December 06, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 05, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
I'm genuinely shocked that people feel his behaviour is acceptable. I wouldn't want him near my wife or daughter.

Private eye has a regular feature called "from the messageboards" and one of the lines is "if anyone comes near my family I swear I'll do time"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on December 06, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on December 06, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
3rd video doing the rounds now!
I wouldn't have much time for Brolly,to say the least but the reaction to these videos are way OTT in my opinion.
Yip,  no fan at all; don't like how he cuts lumps out of others,  but f all in them  He's just continuing in his embarrassment levels
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: snoopdog on December 06, 2018, 10:44:27 AM
Maybe the lady on the video is his new woman. Im assuming its the same lady in all 3 videos.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2018, 11:18:22 AM
Nobody been to a strip joint before or had a dance? I know Ireland is just getting out of being a religious state but ffs!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 06, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
Lot of men around town here going to night clubs and strip clubs and having a good feel of the merchandise  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on December 06, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
Man enters strip club and acts sleazy.  Shouldn't this be in the tautology thread?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo4Sam on December 06, 2018, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 06, 2018, 10:44:27 AM
Maybe the lady on the video is his new woman. Im assuming its the same lady in all 3 videos.  ;D
The lady in that video is definitely not the new woman, she's local to Knockmore
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on December 06, 2018, 01:02:43 PM
I'm no great expert on strip clubs but in the few I have frequented, putting ur hands on a dancer would have been an invitation to get the clean f++k knocked outta ye by a gorilla with a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on December 06, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
Saw the videos. Very little in them tbh. The only thought that struck me was his poor wife and kids, who I've since learned that he is estranged from and going out with some young lassy, who I'm sure is now gone too since the videos emerged.
This won't harm his media career one bit, if anything it'll help as it feeds the persona he tries to promote.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: ck on December 06, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
Saw the videos. Very little in them tbh. The only thought that struck me was his poor wife and kids, who I've since learned that he is estranged from and going out with some young lassy, who I'm sure is now gone too since the videos emerged.
This won't harm his media career one bit, if anything it'll help as it feeds the persona he tries to promote.

So you know the reason why his marriage broke down? Some marriages break down and there is no reason, I doubt very much his ex wife or seperated wife will lose much sleep over an ex touching a womans arm or hip.. and if your dad is seen touching a womans arm I fail to see how that would make their life more poor!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on December 06, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
Ah I'd love nothing more than to have a good dig at Brolly over this, but ffs its nothing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2018, 08:01:48 PM
Strip club? U men messaging this been in a strip club? Cause  they running round with the bare essentials on them; the girl in question over dressed for that+
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on December 06, 2018, 08:57:48 PM
That could be any bar in Dungiven.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 06, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
Michael Lyster would never have stood for that nonsense, so Joe can count his blessings RTE's No.1 has retired.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on December 10, 2018, 10:42:20 AM
Who was he with - RTE team? Dungiven folk? St Bridgets? Lawyers? If the latter, then that's okay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fearsiuil on December 10, 2018, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 05, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
Better lock this thread!!!
Lock up your daughters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on December 12, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
Apparently this was his new squeeze?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on December 12, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 12, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
Apparently this was his new squeeze?

His new rub going by the video...!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on December 23, 2018, 10:22:50 PM
Christmas video doing the rounds now ffs.  Joe has his baubles out apparently!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Square Ball on December 23, 2018, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 23, 2018, 10:22:50 PM
Christmas video doing the rounds now ffs.  Joe has his baubles out apparently!

Christmas ruined with that image FFS.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
I see joe jumping on the st Endas Belfast bandwagon this time. Joe always makes out about a brilliant story and that he was there to witness it and somehow twisting it that he has always been following theses teams . Donegal Dublin Crossmaglen Slaughtneill to make a few. He was glowing again about Crossmaglen before this years ulster semi final and not a word about them after it. He also dropped Donegal like a tonne of bricks a few months after they won the all Ireland and mayo hammered them. How does he always make it about himself
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on January 27, 2019, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
I see joe jumping on the st Endas Belfast bandwagon this time. Joe always makes out about a brilliant story and that he was there to witness it and somehow twisting it that he has always been following theses teams . Donegal Dublin Crossmaglen Slaughtneill to make a few. He was glowing again about Crossmaglen before this years ulster semi final and not a word about them after it. He also dropped Donegal like a tonne of bricks a few months after they won the all Ireland and mayo hammered them. How does he always make it about himself

I'm really not sure how you would describe today's story as about Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Boycey on January 27, 2019, 06:01:07 PM
I've not seen what he's said today or how he relates their story to him but their story is incredible and a story all should hear.

This was in the Irish News before Christmas.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2018/12/01/news/st-enda-s-glengormley---a-club-that-never-took-a-backward-step-1498394/?param=ds441rif44T
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 27, 2019, 07:48:04 PM

He really should have credited the Irish News Journo somewhere in that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 27, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
I see joe jumping on the st Endas Belfast bandwagon this time. Joe always makes out about a brilliant story and that he was there to witness it and somehow twisting it that he has always been following theses teams . Donegal Dublin Crossmaglen Slaughtneill to make a few. He was glowing again about Crossmaglen before this years ulster semi final and not a word about them after it. He also dropped Donegal like a tonne of bricks a few months after they won the all Ireland and mayo hammered them. How does he always make it about himself

He did one about Brigids underage team recently. Basically they won the county championship but he made sure to include that the star forward won them the game, but that was because Brolly gave him some extra coaching. Sure that's the only reason they won. No matter what or who he writes about, it always comes back to himself. Brolly is insecure, always bigging himself up.

There's always someone looking a selfie, someone texting him straight after they win an AI, as if texting Brolly is the first thing on a players mind after winning an AI. Tithead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on January 27, 2019, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 27, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
I see joe jumping on the st Endas Belfast bandwagon this time. Joe always makes out about a brilliant story and that he was there to witness it and somehow twisting it that he has always been following theses teams . Donegal Dublin Crossmaglen Slaughtneill to make a few. He was glowing again about Crossmaglen before this years ulster semi final and not a word about them after it. He also dropped Donegal like a tonne of bricks a few months after they won the all Ireland and mayo hammered them. How does he always make it about himself

He did one about Brigids underage team recently. Basically they won the county championship but he made sure to include that the star forward won them the game, but that was because Brolly gave him some extra coaching. Sure that's the only reason they won. No matter what or who he writes about, it always comes back to himself. Brolly is insecure, always bigging himself up.

There's always someone looking a selfie, someone texting him straight after they win an AI, as if texting Brolly is the first thing on a players mind after winning an AI. Tithead.

He's a w**ker. Always looking to make himself relevant. He's no more a GAA man than I'm a f**king Astronaut.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Boycey on January 27, 2019, 10:55:11 PM
Joanne isn't going to take much guff from him ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on January 27, 2019, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 27, 2019, 10:55:11 PM
Joanne isn't going to take much guff from him ;D

He doesn't want to do analysis. Just spoof.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 27, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 27, 2019, 10:55:11 PM
Joanne isn't going to take much guff from him ;D

Oh how dare you challenge Joe, Joanne!

Deeds is correct, he's a spoofer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 27, 2019, 11:15:49 PM
Well done to Joanne, with feathers unruffled she delivered a straight kick to Joe's goolies, 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 27, 2019, 11:46:07 PM
I don't know she is a bit too argumentative for a host, Spillane tried this approach several years ago and it was a disaster. It is not a hosts job to give their opinion. The best ones such as O'Herlihy and Lyster always knew what buttons to press and you barely noticed them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kidder81 on January 28, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Would tend to agree with yellowcard, was all a bit too obvious, she was gonna show Brolly who was the boss & seemed to be arguing for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on January 28, 2019, 09:44:33 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 28, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Would tend to agree with yellowcard, was all a bit too obvious, she was gonna show Brolly who was the boss & seemed to be arguing for the sake of it.

She could have allowed Joe to make his points without constantly interrupting him. I found her headwrecking to be honest and it seemed she was trying to show him who's in charge alright. Hopefully it'll settle down and pundits will be allowed finish their sentences as the summer goes on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on January 28, 2019, 10:10:50 AM
It was her first show and I am sure she was told that Joe would go off piste and she would have to rein him in.  She said at least 3 times they would talk more about the new rules in a few weeks.  In other words **** up and stick to the script.  I found it slightly Misogynistic the way he asked her if she was going to challenge him on every point he made, it's good she didn't let his points go unchallenged.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on January 28, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
QuoteI found her headwrecking to be honest

Ah you were just in bad humour cause the Dubs were beat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
He needed reining in, because Brolly always goes on about new rules/rules needed/rules he proposed etc, without speaking about the match in question.

I think it was Joanne telling him right away, you won't be doing that shite with me here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Boycey on January 28, 2019, 10:43:10 AM
I agree with Benny, Brolly was starting (for the umpteenth time) to tell us HIS brilliant plan for saving gaelic football. We've all heard it before, it's tedious and last night wasn't the place to discuss it again which she told him the 1st time before he rehashed it several more times..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheClubman on January 28, 2019, 10:55:48 AM
Joanne Cantwell was 100% right last night - how anyone would think otherwise is mind boggling to me. She told him several times and in his own self absorbed arrogance he just completely ignored her and went off ranting again about the rules. He added nothing last night. Sometimes he does add a lot. Sometimes he does write excellently but a lot of the time it's the same old crap how he knows and the authorities are idiots. Maybe if he was more consistent and able to work with (and listen to) others then he might be listened to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 28, 2019, 11:05:12 AM
Expressing an opinion on the game is one matter, but Brolly was spouting utter bull about the reason for the new mark, that the rule was introduced to favour the big target man. He was interrupted, taken to task and then he took offence as in 'how dare you interrupt ME'.

Rule nr 1   Only Joe is allowed to interrupt on the Sunday Game.




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on January 28, 2019, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: highorlow on January 28, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
QuoteI found her headwrecking to be honest

Ah you were just in bad humour cause the Dubs were beat.

Ah jaysus just cause I'm a dub I can't even give an opinino now :-\
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on January 28, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
Still though---if last night wasn't the time to discuss the new rules then no time will be.

I think he should've been allowed to at least discuss the new rules (whilst being reined in if he went on too long).


It has to be discussed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 28, 2019, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: highorlow on January 28, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
QuoteI found her headwrecking to be honest

Ah you were just in bad humour cause the Dubs were beat.

Ah jaysus just cause I'm a dub I can't even give an opinino now :-\

Nope, now stay out of this :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 28, 2019, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2019, 11:05:12 AM
Expressing an opinion on the game is one matter, but Brolly was spouting utter bull about the reason for the new mark, that the rule was introduced to favour the big target man. He was interrupted, taken to task and then he took offence as in 'how dare you interrupt ME'.

Rule nr 1   Only Joe is allowed to interrupt on the Sunday Game.

Narcissists don't like being told it's not about them.

The way Brolly puts his hands across other pundits to shut them up means only his opinion matters. And the constant interrupting is belittling the value of others analysis. Despicable behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 28, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
Generally, the pundits on RTE are OK, but Brolly is now his own tribute band. Best work done about five years ago and all his current stuff is repetition or just dross. 

Meanwhile, on RTE Radio yesterday, that other self tribute band, Colm O'Rourke, was giving it loads about the GAA pricing structure for the League when he actually stated that if a family of five, two adults and three kids were going to a National league match, it would cost them a hundred euro.  This was unchallenged totally by Jacqui Hurley and Dessie Dolan, also in the studio.  It took the GAA to actually call in to the show and state that faftually, thery were wrong and that if they bought their tickets online, that family of five could go for 30 Euro, which works out at 6Euro per person, rather than the 30 he was suggesting. 

When the national broadcaster brings in people so lazy that they couldn't be bothered to even research something as simple, as well known and as talked about as prices to a match, what hope have we. 

He then tried to fob it off by sayin the GAA were getting 'touchy'.  Yeah Colm.  You keep spreading lies and when the GAA tries to put the record straight using fact, just call them 'touchy'.  That's the way to go. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 28, 2019, 02:42:58 PM
Gees that's embarassing.

Spillane's lifespan was until about 10 years ago and Brolly / O"Rourke about 5. It's time they shook it up. You can get some fantastic sports analysis these days across many sports but the GAA is miles behind. Listening to the hurling pundits can be fascinating. The football pundits just merit recording of the show then fast forwarding. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on January 28, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 28, 2019, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2019, 11:05:12 AM
Expressing an opinion on the game is one matter, but Brolly was spouting utter bull about the reason for the new mark, that the rule was introduced to favour the big target man. He was interrupted, taken to task and then he took offence as in 'how dare you interrupt ME'.

Rule nr 1   Only Joe is allowed to interrupt on the Sunday Game.

Narcissists don't like being told it's not about them.

The way Brolly puts his hands across other pundits to shut them up means only his opinion matters. And the constant interrupting is belittling the value of others analysis. Despicable behaviour.

This
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on January 28, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Gold on January 28, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
Still though---if last night wasn't the time to discuss the new rules then no time will be.

I think he should've been allowed to at least discuss the new rules (whilst being reined in if he went on too long).


It has to be discussed
noy much point in discussing them until they have had a cjance to be trialed like the hand past a fter the fir FBD game peole were shouting  for it to be abandoned without seeing the any medium or even short term effect they might have  not to mention long term
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 28, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Seany on January 28, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
Generally, the pundits on RTE are OK, but Brolly is now his own tribute band. Best work done about five years ago and all his current stuff is repetition or just dross. 

Meanwhile, on RTE Radio yesterday, that other self tribute band, Colm O'Rourke, was giving it loads about the GAA pricing structure for the League when he actually stated that if a family of five, two adults and three kids were going to a National league match, it would cost them a hundred euro.  This was unchallenged totally by Jacqui Hurley and Dessie Dolan, also in the studio.  It took the GAA to actually call in to the show and state that faftually, thery were wrong and that if they bought their tickets online, that family of five could go for 30 Euro, which works out at 6Euro per person, rather than the 30 he was suggesting. 

When the national broadcaster brings in people so lazy that they couldn't be bothered to even research something as simple, as well known and as talked about as prices to a match, what hope have we. 

He then tried to fob it off by sayin the GAA were getting 'touchy'.  Yeah Colm.  You keep spreading lies and when the GAA tries to put the record straight using fact, just call them 'touchy'.  That's the way to go.

We were discussing this very point in the car on the way home yesterday , O'Rourke did prefix kids with 'teenage' in fairness, so could have talking about those over 16. But he did lay it on fairly thick.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on January 28, 2019, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Seany on January 28, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
Generally, the pundits on RTE are OK, but Brolly is now his own tribute band. Best work done about five years ago and all his current stuff is repetition or just dross. 

Meanwhile, on RTE Radio yesterday, that other self tribute band, Colm O'Rourke, was giving it loads about the GAA pricing structure for the League when he actually stated that if a family of five, two adults and three kids were going to a National league match, it would cost them a hundred euro.  This was unchallenged totally by Jacqui Hurley and Dessie Dolan, also in the studio.  It took the GAA to actually call in to the show and state that faftually, thery were wrong and that if they bought their tickets online, that family of five could go for 30 Euro, which works out at 6Euro per person, rather than the 30 he was suggesting. 

When the national broadcaster brings in people so lazy that they couldn't be bothered to even research something as simple, as well known and as talked about as prices to a match, what hope have we. 

He then tried to fob it off by sayin the GAA were getting 'touchy'.  Yeah Colm.  You keep spreading lies and when the GAA tries to put the record straight using fact, just call them 'touchy'.  That's the way to go.

Jacqui Hurley and Darren Frehill are not good full stop, it's more than just the odd time I've heard them come out with clear factual errors over the past few years on Sunday Sport.
I accept that it's live and some mistakes will be made but they just don't seem to have the depth of knowledge that you would expect for presenters in their positions, particularly around topics that are in the news and will come up such as the ticket prices. If they don't have the facts down themselves they will not be able to correct guests like O'Rourke yesterday.

Delighted to see Cantwell try to get Brolly to stick to the script last night, I hope she continues in this vein, more talk about the actual matches please. Brolly already has opinion pieces published every week, allowing him the time to regurgitate on air whatever crap he's written about that week regardless of whether it has anything to do with the match they are supposed to be talking about has to stop.
Although it has no chance of happening, in truth I'd be happier if Brolly was left off any RTE GAA coverage altogether and he can take Spillane and O'Rourke with him as well, they bring absolutely nothing to the analysis of the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on January 28, 2019, 03:14:34 PM
I think it's a great show and I do rate Darren and Jacqui very highly as presenters.  It's a complete marathon show, but Jacqui got it wrong yesterday,  In fairness, she did clarify and argued with O'Rourke when he started the 'touchy' stuff about the GAA. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on January 28, 2019, 03:36:04 PM
I once heard both of them discuss what a big difference Richard Dunne would make to Ireland's qualification campaign on his return. He was retired from international duty about 2 years, he was barely still playing club at the time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on January 28, 2019, 04:17:39 PM
There's loads of RTE "pundits" that need to be put out to pasture, Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke, D Dolan, T Carr & B Flynn for starters
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Brolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169 (https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
Didn't see the show last night as got home late from Killarney and hadn't the appetite to watch any more GAA in bad conditions as it was already difficult watching that rubbish first time around.  ;D

Funny though I had mentioned to the lads on the way down on Sat evening about how Ms Cantwell will be a lot more interesting that Lyster and wont be letting Brolly off the hook as much. I heard her on last year and a few times she pulled him up on things and I could already detect some tension.
Whilst I think Brolly can be very funny live (i.e. off telly), I think he always has an alternative agenda and like many have already said has his mind made up on what he's gonna say before a game starts.
He shows a huge lack of respect to those around him and needs his own show as he takes over everything he appears in, especially chat shows.

I look forward to more of JC's reining Joe in and hopefully also giving O'Rourke enough rope to hand himself.
Did ye hear him on that radio show yesterday interviewing poor Rory Gallagher about how shite Fermanagh are and how he is making a show of himself and Fermanagh by being so defensive. O'Rourke has surpassed Spillane in my eyes.
On another note, when do RTE start showing live league games?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on January 28, 2019, 05:11:07 PM
QuoteBrolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169


A quick Fact Check of course tells us that Brolly was completely spoofing when he said the reason for the advanced mark was for the like of "star" to have hoofed balls into him. JC pulled Joe on this and it was then that spoofer Joe realised he was getting caught out and had to deflect off the argument.

Rule: To extend the application of the mark to the clean catching of the ball inside the 45m line from a kick in play from on or beyond the opposing 45m line. The ball must travel a minimum of 20 metres.

Why the proposed change? The average number of kick passes per game has fallen by almost 15% since 2011. Seven years ago there were 127 foot passes per game as opposed to 110 in 2017.

What the GAA says: They have argued that if something isn't done to tackle the current trend towards hand-passing, by 2023 and the next SCPR experimental proposals, the average number of kick passes in inter-county games will be between 90 and 95. GPA surveys finds more than half its members (54%) are in favour of the rule change.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1127/1013774-football-rule-changes-the-why-the-how-the-why-not/

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 28, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Brolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169 (https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169)

God, I can't stand that woman!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 28, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on January 28, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Brolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169 (https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169)

God, I can't stand that woman!
Yes she's a woman what's that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on January 28, 2019, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
Didn't see the show last night as got home late from Killarney and hadn't the appetite to watch any more GAA in bad conditions as it was already difficult watching that rubbish first time around.  ;D

Funny though I had mentioned to the lads on the way down on Sat evening about how Ms Cantwell will be a lot more interesting that Lyster and wont be letting Brolly off the hook as much. I heard her on last year and a few times she pulled him up on things and I could already detect some tension.
Whilst I think Brolly can be very funny live (i.e. off telly), I think he always has an alternative agenda and like many have already said has his mind made up on what he's gonna say before a game starts.
He shows a huge lack of respect to those around him and needs his own show as he takes over everything he appears in, especially chat shows.

I look forward to more of JC's reining Joe in and hopefully also giving O'Rourke enough rope to hand himself.
Did ye hear him on that radio show yesterday interviewing poor Rory Gallagher about how shite Fermanagh are and how he is making a show of himself and Fermanagh by being so defensive. O'Rourke has surpassed Spillane in my eyes.
On another note, when do RTE start showing live league games?

I heard that alright, two chaps that I wouldn't have much time for but O'Rourke sounded more than a wee bit deluded. I used to laugh at him but I actually feel bad for O'Rourke now, I think he is probably going through the early stages of dementia.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 28, 2019, 07:02:11 PM
Joanne Cantrell's interviewing style is a cross between Pat Spillane (trying to impose his own opinion) and Ryan Tubridy (asking questions then almost immediately interrupting).

I think that those who praise her mostly are doing so out of an anti Brolly agenda rather than because of her own interviewing style. I think she should be given a chance but she does need to talk a bit less and give the pundits a bit more of a chance to develop points. It was as though she had a pre rehearsed script that she was determined wouldn't be deviated from.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on January 28, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on January 28, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Brolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169 (https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169)

God, I can't stand that woman!

There's two wankers in that clip and Joe Brolly is both of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 28, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Cantwell is unbearable. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
I'd sooner suffer a day of Brolly than an hour of Cantwell
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 28, 2019, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 28, 2019, 07:02:11 PM
Joanne Cantrell's interviewing style is a cross between Pat Spillane (trying to impose his own opinion) and Ryan Tubridy (asking questions then almost immediately interrupting).

I think that those who praise her mostly are doing so out of an anti Brolly agenda rather than because of her own interviewing style. I think she should be given a chance but she does need to talk a bit less and give the pundits a bit more of a chance to develop points. It was as though she had a pre rehearsed script that she was determined wouldn't be deviated from.
That's nonsense,  "an anti Brolly agenda", what an imaginative retort ::) Some people have standards and when the bullshít barometer has been hit by a sledgehammer it is pleasing when the bulshítter has been taken to task.  She is being lauded for one thing, for picking Brolly out for spouting absolute nonsense, who hadn't the hadn't the grace to accept it and instead dug a deeper hole trying to defend his nonsense and then tried to intimidate her.
Afair that was her only intervention.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 28, 2019, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on January 28, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Brolly v Cantwell

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169 (https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1089656364568199169)

God, I can't stand that woman!

There's two w**kers in that clip and Joe Brolly is both of them.

That's it, let it all out Neil Armstrong! ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2019, 04:26:23 PM
Watched it last night and previously I was delighted when I heard she took him to task as I do think Joe gets away with murder but I thought she went after him far too aggressively and you could see Joe was waiting on it (or else it was staged).
I much prefer Cantwell to Lyster who was just a yes man in my eyes and was never able to rein Joe in time and time again but you can see Cantwell right away has an agenda to keep him tight to the question asked.
She even said to Gooch yes but you didn't answer the question did you Colm.

I hope she chills a bit and let them talk a bit off the cuff but also glad Brolly isn't allowed to attack players or teams without putting up good arguments. I'd say Mayo and O'Shea are already annoyed with him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 29, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
I felt Cooper couldn't get into his flow because he was always checking the rearview mirror expecting to be hijacked by the T-1000. Brolly constantly puts off other analysts in this way, but throws the hand up in the face of others, if it happens to him. A mental bully and an ignorant shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 29, 2019, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 29, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
I felt Cooper couldn't get into his flow because he was always checking the rearview mirror expecting to be hijacked by the T-1000. Brolly constantly puts off other analysts in this way, but throws the hand up in the face of others, if it happens to him. A mental bully and an ignorant shite.
If Brolly could just focus on analysis and wasn't afflicted by a complex myriad of personality disorders, he could have been a contender for being one of the best analysts out there.
But what can one say about the quality of a pundit who has already put himself as the savior, just him alone on a one man platform of saving the gaa with just one rule change (a rule change idea he actually stole of someone else), could spout the purpose of the offensive mark rule change was to favor the big man on the edge of the square  and then defend his opinion saying that this was the stated  intention of the  GAA at the implementation.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kidder81 on January 29, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Loving the velvet
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 11, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
Brolly for the most part behaved himself last night. Maybe Joanne's no nonsense approach with him the last night has set the tone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on February 11, 2019, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 11, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
Brolly for the most part behaved himself last night. Maybe Joanne's no nonsense approach with him the last night has set the tone.

Hmmm. He had a right go at Ger Cafferkey (mom according to Aaron Kernan I think it was on eir) and Aidan O Shea. O Shea had a huge game. Talking 8-9/10. But he had to wade in to justify his previous critique of these players.
This guy is all about values and decency but it does not add up for me. He's giving lads a kicking there whether he knows it or not. That's the thing for me with Brolly. There is something going on there that he  ...... can't control?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MayoBuck on February 12, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

He's been tried there umpteen times, even on occasion during the league this year. Apart from the couple of moments in 2015 it never works. AOS does all his best work around the middle third of the field. He doesn't have the movement to play FF compared to Andy or other natural inside forwards.

We should be trying to develop new forwards like Reape, Diskin and others for the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on February 12, 2019, 12:38:51 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

It's not about that imo. It's about laying into amateurs. One that has gone through a very tough recovery to even play at that level again and both that had fine games. AOS has played parts of recent games in at full last 2 games anyway and little has stuck. Andy on the other hand has made the smart moves and got marks and assists being the main target inside.
On a positive note Aidan is in best shape I've seen him in. But me being me, I wonder why it took it so long.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Blowitupref on February 12, 2019, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

His best position is full forward according to Brolly because he scored a few goals against Sligo who were woeful in defence for the Connacht final? The strengths of Horan's team will be middle 8 dominance and AOS will play a big part in that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on February 12, 2019, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 12, 2019, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

His best position is full forward according to Brolly because he scored a few goals against Sligo who were woeful in defence for the Connacht final? The strengths of Horan's team will be middle 8 dominance and AOS will play a big part in that.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on February 12, 2019, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 12, 2019, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

His best position is full forward according to Brolly because he scored a few goals against Sligo who were woeful in defence for the Connacht final? The strengths of Horan's team will be middle 8 dominance and AOS will play a big part in that.

Sure didn't they bring in that offensive mark so teams could play a big man on the edge of the square?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on February 12, 2019, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2019, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 12, 2019, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: highorlow on February 12, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
Joe wants AOS in full forward. Hopefully after the Dublin game we can start trying him in there again. I'm with Joe on this one.

His best position is full forward according to Brolly because he scored a few goals against Sligo who were woeful in defence for the Connacht final? The strengths of Horan's team will be middle 8 dominance and AOS will play a big part in that.

Sure didn't they bring in that offensive mark so teams could play a big man on the edge of the square?

Watched him there in an All Ireland replay, and he was like a duck out of water, not good at all (having said that he did catch one and set up a goal for Keegan). But his running off the ball was limited (looked laboured 'v' the defender)  and it was quite easy for Dublin to nullify him (big faster defender able to brake the ball of him). 

So yes you need a big man up front, but he has to be very mobile
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on February 12, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
There's no need for Mayo to "try" AOS at full forward. Everyone knows what he can do there. Land him in there for 15 minutes in an All Ireland semi final when it might make a difference.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 12, 2019, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 11, 2019, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 11, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
Brolly for the most part behaved himself last night. Maybe Joanne's no nonsense approach with him the last night has set the tone.

Hmmm. He had a right go at Ger Cafferkey (mom according to Aaron Kernan I think it was on eir) and Aidan O Shea. O Shea had a huge game. Talking 8-9/10. But he had to wade in to justify his previous critique of these players.
This guy is all about values and decency but it does not add up for me. He's giving lads a kicking there whether he knows it or not. That's the thing for me with Brolly. There is something going on there that he  ...... can't control?

Its tbe Dunphy/Hook school of punditry. Lucrative as there is no market for rational analysis.

His Indo article is just a rewrite of rural 6 counties good, everything else bad. Insert some tale of woe about loyalists and repeat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: giveballaghback on February 14, 2019, 12:28:02 AM
My first and last contribution to the Brolly bus on here, if he is such a g......e why is there 310 pages on here, he should be ignored but because he is not ignored he is laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on February 14, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
Aidan O Se doesn't make an all Ireland winnning Mayo team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
 ::)

Thats ridiculous
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on February 14, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Agree with rrhf.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardtole on February 14, 2019, 11:01:22 AM
Colm Orourke came out with a similar statement regarding Dooher, and ended up with egg on his face.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on February 15, 2019, 07:24:01 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after

I think O'Shea is a fantastic footballer but I'd definitely have Murphy before him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: spuds on February 15, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after

Our Aido has got the better of Murphy a few times and the Donegal man did not line if at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Crete Boom on February 15, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2019, 07:24:01 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after

I think O'Shea is a fantastic footballer but I'd definitely have Murphy before him.

In my opinion the major difference is Murphy can play with his back to goal Aidan can't!!

If I want a big strong scoring fulforward who can come out the field to help out/overload midfield giving another option on kickouts and take scores from distance, then Murphy is the man I want.

However if I want a deep lying midfielder as a go to option on kickouts, to help dominate the middle, create turnovers and start attacks from defence then O'Shea is the man especially since he developed his ability to kickpass accurately over 10 to 20 yards which is very underrated. O'Shea is also so powerful int he running game from deep.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 15, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: spuds on February 15, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after

Our Aido has got the better of Murphy a few times and the Donegal man did not line if at all.
I'm sure Murphy lies awake at night worrying about the few times AOS got the better of him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: spuds on February 18, 2019, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 15, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: spuds on February 15, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2019, 08:04:59 AM
::)

Thats ridiculous
you have to wonder when is the last time some poster saw A o Sé play .
there maybe as good but there is no better player in the country . big strong skilful mobile great had massive engine and a great football brain . what's not to like
I would have him Midfield every match

It's obviously a game of opinions but to say there is no better player in the country....I'd have to disagree...he's not even the best player on the Mayo team (Keegan)

Big Murphy could also give him a masterclass if it's big man v big man yr after

Our Aido has got the better of Murphy a few times and the Donegal man did not line if at all.
I'm sure Murphy lies awake at night worrying about the few times AOS got the better of him
Not sure what value you get from that last post but reality is that Murphy does not like the physicality that our Aido brings in their confrontations. Murphy lords it physically usually in one on one's.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

Yeah looks like the game is up for the Spoofer of all Spoofers!

''This is the dilemma I face: do I attempt to make a silk purse out a sow's ear by bamboozling the viewers with graphics and diagrams or just call it as I see it.''

Also

''Maybe so – at best this is a subjective topic – but if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.''

That's because RTE is free to air Pat! People have to pay extra money to have Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on February 18, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

There is a  certain irony in Pat, one of the GAA's great backward thinkers, calling some coaches "cavemen".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 18, 2019, 02:37:48 PM
Liked Joe's article on John Morrison on the independant.ie site today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 18, 2019, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

Yeah looks like the game is up for the Spoofer of all Spoofers!

''This is the dilemma I face: do I attempt to make a silk purse out a sow's ear by bamboozling the viewers with graphics and diagrams or just call it as I see it.''

Also

''Maybe so – at best this is a subjective topic – but if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.''

That's because RTE is free to air Pat! People have to pay extra money to have Sky Sports.
Not quite so, when the same game is shown simultaneously on Sky and RTE, the viewing figures drop dramatically  for Sky and RTE is the recipient. Sky subscribers flock in droves to watch the game on RTE.




Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Quotebut if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

RTE 2 had a reach of 76% according to TAM's figures from November whereas SkySports top channel had a reach of 16%.

So basically RTE 2 is available to almost 5 times the number of viewers, yet Pat is boasting about RTE getting a majority.  ::)

Says it all about his ability to analyse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Quotebut if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

RTE 2 had a reach of 76% according to TAM's figures from November whereas SkySports top channel had a reach of 16%.

So basically RTE 2 is available to almost 5 times the number of viewers, yet Pat is boasting about RTE getting a majority.  ::)

Says it all about his ability to analyse.
I'd quest your ability to analyse. Pat is boasing that when the game is available live on both networks, sky subscribers abandon the chalkbord analysis in numbers and flock to RTE's Sunday Game. This is true iin the other gaelic sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Quotebut if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

RTE 2 had a reach of 76% according to TAM's figures from November whereas SkySports top channel had a reach of 16%.

So basically RTE 2 is available to almost 5 times the number of viewers, yet Pat is boasting about RTE getting a majority.  ::)

Says it all about his ability to analyse.
I'd quest your ability to analyse. Pat is boasing that when the game is available live on both networks, sky subscribers abandon the chalkbord analysis in numbers and flock to RTE's Sunday Game. This is true iin the other gaelic sports.

Quotewhen the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

Do you not understand what reach means?

For every 1 house which can watch SkySports in Ireland there are 5 houses that can watch RTE 2.

And Pat is boasting about RTE getting the majority of the viewership.







Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 19, 2019, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Quotebut if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

RTE 2 had a reach of 76% according to TAM's figures from November whereas SkySports top channel had a reach of 16%.

So basically RTE 2 is available to almost 5 times the number of viewers, yet Pat is boasting about RTE getting a majority.  ::)

Says it all about his ability to analyse.
I'd quest your ability to analyse. Pat is boasing that when the game is available live on both networks, sky subscribers abandon the chalkbord analysis in numbers and flock to RTE's Sunday Game. This is true iin the other gaelic sports.

Quotewhen the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.

Do you not understand what reach means?

For every 1 house which can watch SkySports in Ireland there are 5 houses that can watch RTE 2.

And Pat is boasting about RTE getting the majority of the viewership.
Well if he had said that the vast majority of sky subscribers when faced with  the same game  shown simultaneously on the two networks will still flock to watch the game on RTE, then it would have made more sense and be more germane to the point he was making.
The viewing figures indicate that even if 100% of  Irish households had sky subs, they would still flock in vast numbers to watch RTE on All Ireland day, or any day in any GAA sport, when the game is shown on both networks.

Personally if I had both and wasn't allowed to flick in between by a mad mullah, I would watch the game in its entireity on RTE.
I wonder how BBCNI fares when faced with the might of RTE butting in, I suspect it does alright and holds onto its viewers?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 21, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 18, 2019, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

Yeah looks like the game is up for the Spoofer of all Spoofers!

''This is the dilemma I face: do I attempt to make a silk purse out a sow's ear by bamboozling the viewers with graphics and diagrams or just call it as I see it.''

Also

''Maybe so – at best this is a subjective topic – but if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.''

That's because RTE is free to air Pat! People have to pay extra money to have Sky Sports.
Not quite so, when the same game is shown simultaneously on Sky and RTE, the viewing figures drop dramatically  for Sky and RTE is the recipient. Sky subscribers flock in droves to watch the game on RTE.
Link to back up that claim?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 21, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 18, 2019, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 18, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-on-how-coaches-are-driving-fans-to-despair-and-tackles-four-examples-of-fake-news-in-gaelic-football-37826079.html


Very defensive article from Pet here. Must be a change coming down the line in RTE regarding "pundits".

Yeah looks like the game is up for the Spoofer of all Spoofers!

''This is the dilemma I face: do I attempt to make a silk purse out a sow's ear by bamboozling the viewers with graphics and diagrams or just call it as I see it.''

Also

''Maybe so – at best this is a subjective topic – but if the analysis is so good on Sky, how come when the same game is shown simultaneously on the two stations, the vast majority of TV viewers tune in to the RTE coverage.''

That's because RTE is free to air Pat! People have to pay extra money to have Sky Sports.
Not quite so, when the same game is shown simultaneously on Sky and RTE, the viewing figures drop dramatically  for Sky and RTE is the recipient. Sky subscribers flock in droves to watch the game on RTE.
Link to back up that claim?
Sure I can, but am I not wasting my time being scholarly  ::)  Is there an example where such a link on any matter in this forum where financial doping or Sky television GAA deal was being debated,  that such a link to solid information contradicting your beliefs, made any difference to your opinions?

But hey, let's spell out a few real life examples

http://historyhub.ie/sports-rights-commercialization-revisited-sky-and-the-gaa (http://historyhub.ie/sports-rights-commercialization-revisited-sky-and-the-gaa)
'Incidentally, and unsurprisingly, when games were shown simultaneously on both channels, RTÉ won hands-down: Take for example the drawn 2014 All-Ireland hurling final where Sky averaged 15,600 viewers (with a peak of 26,300), while RTÉ averaged 577,000 (with a peak of 935,000); or the Dublin v Donegal 2014 All-Ireland Football Semi-Final: (Sky: average viewers: 5,400; average share: 0.5%; RTÉ: average viewers, 665,000; average share, 60.2%.)´

Those pathetic sky viewing figures for an AI slumped from the low figures that Sky had with their exclusive coverage games.

And considering that those Sky exclusive coverage games had less nationwide public interest than an AI final, makes their AI viewing figures even more pathetic. By rights, Sky should have quadrupled their 1/4 final viewing figures , instead the Sky AI figures hit the floor with a thump

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/sky-ratings-dwarfed-by-rte-457260.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/sky-ratings-dwarfed-by-rte-457260.html)

average viewing figures for  sky's exclusive coverage 2017
Cork Clare  munster final  39,000
Monaghan Tyrone  41,000 
Tyrone Armagh 62,000

2017 simultaneous coverage
´All-Ireland SHC semi-final revealed an average home viewing figure of just 1,183 watched the game on Sky Sports in the Republic of Ireland. In contrast, 532,000 took in the game on RTÉ2´.

It's a wrap.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html
Based on a Darragh OSe article from a few years ago I would say it is more likely one of Joes other personalities talking to himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

If the only thing you could take out of Joe's article today is did he really call Peter Canavan then what the f**k? I thought his opinions on trying on trying to teach players to play with both feet was actually very interesting and worth further discussion. How many of the dublin players, especially in the forwards are equally comfortable on both feet? Compare that to how many of the Mayo team who pushed them so close are two footed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2019, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

If the only thing you could take out of Joe's article today is did he really call Peter Canavan then what the f**k? I thought his opinions on trying on trying to teach players to play with both feet was actually very interesting and worth further discussion. How many of the dublin players, especially in the forwards are equally comfortable on both feet? Compare that to how many of the Mayo team who pushed them so close are two footed

Leave us out of this! Ye have had ye're Financial Doping and Home games to boot!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

If the only thing you could take out of Joe's article today is did he really call Peter Canavan then what the f**k? I thought his opinions on trying on trying to teach players to play with both feet was actually very interesting and worth further discussion. How many of the dublin players, especially in the forwards are equally comfortable on both feet? Compare that to how many of the Mayo team who pushed them so close are two footed

No, Peter actually phoned him to talk about the whole lefty/righty thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on March 03, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
It's sad to see the Tymoanies so blinkered with hatred that when Joe actually writes a decent interesting article they still can't handle it and have to have some kind of pop at him!!! Great article that is very well written!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
It's sad to see the Tymoanies so blinkered with hatred that when Joe actually writes a decent interesting article they still can't handle it and have to have some kind of pop at him!!! Great article that is very well written!!

It's not  a decent article when it's based round a phone call which may not  have happened. If the phone call did occur then fair enough. I don't believe it did   If it didn't happen then you ve got to ask why he wrote it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on March 04, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

WTF? ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 04, 2019, 10:35:23 PM
The phone call happened.  The question is where did it happen?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

WTF? ;D

I say this because Joe once wrote in the paper 'quoting ' Jarlath Burns. Burns wasn't long in letting it be known that he had not said what Joe boy claimed he had.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sheugh Water on March 04, 2019, 11:45:28 PM
 :cant mind seeing many turf bogs about errigal ciaran country
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GJL on March 05, 2019, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on March 04, 2019, 11:45:28 PM
:cant mind seeing many turf bogs about errigal ciaran country

Plenty of them!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
On a scale of one to ten. With one being that Peter Canavan doesn't even have Joe Brollys phone number. How likely is the phone call in this article to actually have taken place?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-miracle-men-are-no-fluke-as-god-will-tell-you-37872163.html

I hope that Canavan will come out and say that the phone call didn't happen.

WTF? ;D

I say this because Joe once wrote in the paper 'quoting ' Jarlath Burns. Burns wasn't long in letting it be known that he had not said what Joe boy claimed he had.

Thats fine. But people should have a bit more wit than accusing a barrister of totally inventing a conversation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on March 05, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Its a great article with some interesting ideas and a great core message - I don't care if the call happened or not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 05, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 05, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Its a great article with some interesting ideas and a great core message - I don't care if the call happened or not.

A great article? It's hardly groundbreaking stuff to suggest that good players should practice with their bad foot. I was being coached that in the 1980s. I started the discussion here about the phone call, my point being that Joe's articles are becoming like a parody of themselves with regards to them always containing a reference to one GAA personality or another ringing him about the burning issues of the day. I assumed that whole phone call with Canavan was written tongue in cheek by Joe and he never meant anyone to seriously think that the conversation happened.,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 05, 2019, 09:34:47 PM
It's a good article, not a great article :)
His coaching advice on developing ambipedal ability is another example of what we have come to know as 'spontaneous Joe', aka spoofing. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on March 05, 2019, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
It's sad to see the Tymoanies so blinkered with hatred that when Joe actually writes a decent interesting article they still can't handle it and have to have some kind of pop at him!!! Great article that is very well written!!

For sure. LOL!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 05, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 05, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Its a great article with some interesting ideas and a great core message - I don't care if the call happened or not.

A great article? It's hardly groundbreaking stuff to suggest that good players should practice with their bad foot. I was being coached that in the 1980s. I started the discussion here about the phone call, my point being that Joe's articles are becoming like a parody of themselves with regards to them always containing a reference to one GAA personality or another ringing him about the burning issues of the day. I assumed that whole phone call with Canavan was written tongue in cheek by Joe and he never meant anyone to seriously think that the conversation happened.,

I would apply this to about 90% of Joe's public words.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: knockitdown on March 06, 2019, 02:49:40 PM
I see Joe's having a good chat with Cllr Pankhurst on twitter....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 06, 2019, 03:17:18 PM
Poor Dale is getting destroyed by Joe.

Its time the poor fella went for a lie down
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Caress on March 06, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Joe was on BBC radio Ulster today. Here is the link if anyone is interested.  Click on today's date. Its about 40mins long. See what u think
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4/episodes/player
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 06, 2019, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on March 06, 2019, 02:49:40 PM
I see Joe's having a good chat with Cllr Pankhurst on twitter....

Och, the DUP must have let the poor cub out on his own today. Looks like a twat, in his wee band uniform, though not as bad as Danny Kennedy, at his stage in life, doing a Baldrick impression.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on March 06, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 05, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 05, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Its a great article with some interesting ideas and a great core message - I don't care if the call happened or not.

I assumed that whole phone call with Canavan was written tongue in cheek by Joe and he never meant anyone to seriously think that the conversation happened.,


That was my take too
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 06, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on March 06, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Joe was on BBC radio Ulster today. Here is the link if anyone is interested.  Click on today's date. Its about 40mins long. See what u think
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4/episodes/player
Joe's  rant against DUP's general scummy bigoted attitudes towards minorities, their contempt for civil rights, was on the button.

But what's relevant on this side of the board are GAA matters and I don't think Joe did handle that part very well and did he actually call upon the GAA to get involved with an AI poll?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 06, 2019, 08:58:03 PM
Jarlath Burns said something along those lines too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on March 06, 2019, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on March 06, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Joe was on BBC radio Ulster today. Here is the link if anyone is interested.  Click on today's date. Its about 40mins long. See what u think
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4/episodes/player

When I click on the link for today's show I get prompted to log in to an account. I am in the US. CAn the rest of you listen to this without having to log in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 06, 2019, 09:23:20 PM
Try here Dec - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002yv9
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Caress on March 06, 2019, 10:50:28 PM
He definitely didn't hold back on the DUP. And yes he called upon the gaa to get involved in a border poll.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on March 06, 2019, 11:58:57 PM
Joe is a national treasure. His behind the scenes stories about Jim wells, Gregory Campbell etc are great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Esmarelda on March 07, 2019, 09:03:06 AM
I think he was on Sean O'Rourke on RTE earlier in the week on the same topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on March 07, 2019, 09:03:06 AM
I think he was on Sean O'Rourke on RTE earlier in the week on the same topic.
I see it was monday
https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9_21520437_15036_04-03-2019_ (https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9_21520437_15036_04-03-2019_)
In true Joe Brolly fashion, he interrupts O'Rourke twice at 1.25 mins to let it be known that He was ready to be interviewed and when asked to hold on by O'Rourke, Joe refuses and stands his ground.
Then Joe takes the stand and states his case why the GAA should take a forthright stance and a campaigning role in a border poll campaign
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 02:07:02 PM
Errr.... The GAA was founded nearly 40 years before Partition ;).
The official GAA should NOT take any sides in a Referendum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.

There's no such thing as a GAA constitution.

The statement you quote also includes the following:

"The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, nationalminded manhood."

It's a clearly aspirational statement, not meant to be taken literally. Otherwise the above sentence would rule out games for women and girls.

The day the GAA starts a political campaign is the day it dies as a national movement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 02:07:02 PM
Errr.... The GAA was founded nearly 40 years before Partition ;).
The official GAA should NOT take any sides in a Referendum.

Semantics, I don't think anyone could argue the constitution was written with a mind to promoting partial national independence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:27:42 PM
Decent explanation here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/what-is-the-gaas-relationship-with-irish-national-identity-434413.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on March 07, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
I can't see the GAA persuading anyone how to vote.

Anyone who would be influenced by the GAA is probably already going to vote in favour of a united Ireland. And participating in what will be a very divisive election will just give unionists in the north another stick to beat the GAA with.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.

There's no such thing as a GAA constitution.

The statement you quote also includes the following:

"The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, nationalminded manhood."

It's a clearly aspirational statement, not meant to be taken literally. Otherwise the above sentence would rule out games for women and girls.
The day the GAA starts a political campaign is the day it dies as a national movement.
The GAA Guide contains the Constitution and Rules of the G.A.A.  As they say -  rtfm.
Aims do only have  aspirational value  but to change the wording of an aim would require approval at Congress.

Joe carries a copy of the GAA  around with him to quote when needed.
He quotes this main aim in order to justify his claim that GAA is already  political
"The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes"

He outlined further justification for action
The  GAA membership is overwhelmingly in favour of a UI
therefore it's incumbent on the GAA to support the membership.
The GAA is what sustained the community during the years of solitude including  the era of the "troubles", in regards to issues of identity, self esteem etc. The GAA should take a forthright stance and a campaigning role in a border poll campaign, the fear is that the nationalist community would be left isolated again, under the grip of a statelet dominated by nutjob demagogues who serially pour scorn upon them at every opportunity, on their identity, language, sports, on basic social and civil rights.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.

There's no such thing as a GAA constitution.

The statement you quote also includes the following:

"The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, nationalminded manhood."

It's a clearly aspirational statement, not meant to be taken literally. Otherwise the above sentence would rule out games for women and girls.
The day the GAA starts a political campaign is the day it dies as a national movement.
The GAA Guide contains the Constitution and Rules of the G.A.A.  As they say -  rtfm.
Aims do only have  aspirational value  but to change the wording of an aim would require approval at Congress.

Joe carries a copy of the GAA  around with him to quote when needed.
He quotes this main aim in order to justify his claim that GAA is already  political
"The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes"

He outlined further justification for action
The  GAA membership is overwhelmingly in favour of a UI
therefore it's incumbent on the GAA to support the membership.
The GAA is what sustained the community during the years of solitude including  the era of the "troubles", in regards to issues of identity, self esteem etc. The GAA should take a forthright stance and a campaigning role in a border poll campaign, the fear is that the nationalist community would be left isolated again, under the grip of a statelet dominated by nutjob demagogues who serially pour scorn upon them at every opportunity, on their identity, language, sports, on basic social and civil rights.

They'd have to scrap Rule 1.11 first.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 07, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
If the GAA is to have an involvement in a possible unity referendum, should they then weigh in on other political issues?
Abortion? Same Sex Marriage? Immigration? Housing?

If people involved in the GAA use their profile from GAA to campaign for an issue do we have a problem with that? Mickey Harte and Abortion?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Afaia Joe's not exactly a castle catholic
Quote from: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.

There's no such thing as a GAA constitution.

The statement you quote also includes the following:

"The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, nationalminded manhood."

It's a clearly aspirational statement, not meant to be taken literally. Otherwise the above sentence would rule out games for women and girls.
The day the GAA starts a political campaign is the day it dies as a national movement.
The GAA Guide contains the Constitution and Rules of the G.A.A.  As they say -  rtfm.
Aims do only have  aspirational value  but to change the wording of an aim would require approval at Congress.

Joe carries a copy of the GAA  around with him to quote when needed.
He quotes this main aim in order to justify his claim that GAA is already  political
"The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes"

He outlined further justification for action
The  GAA membership is overwhelmingly in favour of a UI
therefore it's incumbent on the GAA to support the membership.
The GAA is what sustained the community during the years of solitude including  the era of the "troubles", in regards to issues of identity, self esteem etc. The GAA should take a forthright stance and a campaigning role in a border poll campaign, the fear is that the nationalist community would be left isolated again, under the grip of a statelet dominated by nutjob demagogues who serially pour scorn upon them at every opportunity, on their identity, language, sports, on basic social and civil rights.

They'd have to scrap Rule 1.11 first.


No they wouldn't.  A border poll is a political issue but it is not party political. One can campaign for a political issue on a non party political basis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on March 07, 2019, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: dec on March 07, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
I can't see the GAA persuading anyone how to vote.

Anyone who would be influenced by the GAA is probably already going to vote in favour of a united Ireland. And participating in what will be a very divisive election will just give unionists in the north another stick to beat the GAA with.
Exactly. Unless they decide to lead the charge to aggressively make the GAA more inclusive, e.g. by abandoning the national anthem and the tricolour, all they would achieve would be to harden the unionist resolve
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Leave politics to politicians.
Leave referendums(da) to the Voters.
Promote and Develop Gaelic Games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
Look you heartless feckers, think of the Nordies!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 06:35:48 PM
Sure they'll get first crack at the Referendum  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Hill is Blue on March 07, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Leave politics to politicians.
Leave referendums(da) to the Voters.
Promote and Develop Gaelic Games.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 07, 2019, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 07, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Leave politics to politicians.
Leave referendums(da) to the Voters.
Promote and Develop Gaelic Games.

+1

You did not say that to Bertie when you took the Big hand shake during the boom!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Caress on March 07, 2019, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
Look you heartless feckers, think of the Nordies!!

😂😂 don't forget about us. Everyone else has😂😂
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
You'll Never Walk Alone!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 07, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
except for the castle dubs, of course.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2019, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: five points on March 07, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 07, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Page 1 of the GAA constitution

"Today, the native games take on a new significance when it is realised that they have been a part, and still are a part, of the Nation's desire to live her own life, to govern her own affairs."

Re-unification is a core tenet the GAA was built on and so is a GAA matter.

There's no such thing as a GAA constitution.

The statement you quote also includes the following:

"The primary purpose of the G.A.A. is the organisation of native pastimes and the promotion of athletic fitness as a means to create a disciplined, self- reliant, nationalminded manhood."

It's a clearly aspirational statement, not meant to be taken literally. Otherwise the above sentence would rule out games for women and girls.

The day the GAA starts a political campaign is the day it dies as a national movement.
Point of order: Camogie and Ladies football are not governed by the GAA. 

I believe rounders is co-ed though. And Scór certainly is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2019, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2019, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: dec on March 07, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
I can't see the GAA persuading anyone how to vote.

Anyone who would be influenced by the GAA is probably already going to vote in favour of a united Ireland. And participating in what will be a very divisive election will just give unionists in the north another stick to beat the GAA with.
Exactly. Unless they decide to lead the charge to aggressively make the GAA more inclusive, e.g. by abandoning the national anthem and the tricolour, all they would achieve would be to harden the unionist resolve

Couldn't agree more. If a UI is what you want, more protestants playing hurling and Gaelic football would be a good step in that direction. The GAA taking overtly political positions would be counter-productive. There are protestants who may be averse to political nationalism, but are interested in the cultural heritage of the country. The GAA is in a great position to make positive use of this, but could squander it if they took political sides.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 08, 2019, 10:03:09 AM
To support the call for a border poll is not taking a political position per se.
A person or group take a political position when they decide or promote which side they are on in such a border poll

Nordies are not a positive bunch, the successful popular campaigns up there have been negative.
Ulster says NO to Darwin/forgiveness/sodomy/homos/gay blood/gay cakes/EU/GAA/Rome rule/united Ireland/abortion/ insert any word.
I'd say you'd have a better chance with a negative campaign.
A campaign slogan like "No More Border" could hit the spot,  then come up with a campaign ditty to the tune of No More Catholics
from the T2 Trainspotting film.

Though the  Irish in the south respond more to positivity, who can forget the  powerful effect of the 'Arise and Follow Charlie' campaign song which swept (el duce) Charles Haughey to power in 1981.




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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on March 08, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: heffo on March 06, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 05, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on March 05, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Its a great article with some interesting ideas and a great core message - I don't care if the call happened or not.

I assumed that whole phone call with Canavan was written tongue in cheek by Joe and he never meant anyone to seriously think that the conversation happened.,


That was my take too
I assumed that about all his "I was talking to an Inter-County player" spiels. They are just vehicles for his opinions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 08, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
We must convince large numbers of Unionists that a UI is viable and that they won't be oppressed. Remember the campaign was Home rule = Rome rule and certainly up until the 1990s (or even later in certain aspects ofo society) that was the case. That's a genuine fear they have.

I personally think, while high profile GAA members may campaign and use their profile but I think the GAA should remain neutral.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 08, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Leave politics to politicians.
Leave referendums(da) to the Voters.
Promote and Develop Gaelic Games.

Im afraid that is very naive talk. It is impossible to split sport from politics. As rugby teams touring South Africa once found out.

The GAA has a leading role to play in showing protestants/unionists that a 32 county united Ireland is not something they should fear. I see nothing wrong with the organisation supporting a call for a referendum on the border or for example or supporting a call for a independent enquiry into the murder of Aidan McAnespie. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 08, 2019, 12:07:45 PM
Aidan McAnespie was a GAA man shot dead for no political reason and quite likely because he was a GAA man.
An enquiry into his murder is a human rights issue.
Calling for a " Border poll" is currently the preserve of one political party.
I think you'll find that the vast majority of the GAA officialdom and membership  will Not want the organisation campaigning for a yes vote even though most of them will be yes voters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on March 08, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 08, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Leave politics to politicians.
Leave referendums(da) to the Voters.
Promote and Develop Gaelic Games.

Im afraid that is very naive talk. It is impossible to split sport from politics. As rugby teams touring South Africa once found out.

The GAA has a leading role to play in showing protestants/unionists that a 32 county united Ireland is not something they should fear. I see nothing wrong with the organisation supporting a call for a referendum on the border or for example or supporting a call for a independent enquiry into the murder of Aidan McAnespie. 
id have no issue with every member of GAA going out and campaigning under whatever political banner they want but the GAA as an organization they must remain neutral .
they can lobby on issues directly affecting them but not in general anything else would be a breach of the GAA principals that kept going through civil war war of independence ETC.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 08, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
+1 Rosnarun.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 08, 2019, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2019, 12:07:45 PM
Aidan McAnespie was a GAA man shot dead for no political reason and quite likely because he was a GAA man.
An enquiry into his murder is a human rights issue.
Calling for a " Border poll" is currently the preserve of one political party.
I think you'll find that the vast majority of the GAA officialdom and membership  will Not want the organisation campaigning for a yes vote even though most of them will be yes voters.

No McAnespie was shot because he was a catholic who walked through a British army checkpoint every day to go to work. He happened to be a GAA member. The GAA has tried to stay out of politics but its not possible when big issues come around. I dont see any reason a 32 county organisation would not state on record that they would favour a 32 county Ireland.

As an aside, I wonder did any GAA clubs protest the Roscommon hospital closure issue when it was ongoing? That was a political decision not liked by the people of Roscommon, many I am sure were GAA people. Didnt the protest Marches even start at the Hyde?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 08, 2019, 04:11:18 PM
I don't recall the Co Board formally saying anything.
Anyway the GAA is already a 32 County organisation and about the only difference one All  Ireland State would mean for them would be dealing with one Government Sports Dept instead of 2.
Although I suspect there will be 2 Administrations in the new All Ireland State anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Caress on March 08, 2019, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 08, 2019, 10:03:09 AM
To support the call for a border poll is not taking a political position per se.
A person or group take a political position when they decide or promote which side they are on in such a border poll

Nordies are not a positive bunch, the successful popular campaigns up there have been negative.
Ulster says NO to Darwin/forgiveness/sodomy/homos/gay blood/gay cakes/EU/GAA/Rome rule/united Ireland/abortion/ insert any word.
I'd say you'd have a better chance with a negative campaign.
A campaign slogan like "No More Border" could hit the spot,  then come up with a campaign ditty to the tune of No More Catholics
from the T2 Trainspotting film.

Though the  Irish in the south respond more to positivity, who can forget the  powerful effect of the 'Arise and Follow Charlie' campaign song which swept (el duce) Charles Haughey to power in 1981.



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I agree but due to my Northern Tendencies, I disagree with everything you have said.😂😂
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on March 08, 2019, 09:56:00 PM
if the GAA is to mean anything, it has to be true to its ethos,its history and its identity, it simply cannot ignore any of these in the event of a border poll. There is nothing subversive in wanting a United Ireland. It is a noble and decent aspiration and one the GAA is founded upon. If the GAA were to abandon this aspiration in the event of a referendum on Irish unity, it would be a massive betrayal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on March 08, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
"The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes."

In the event of a united Ireland referendum the GAA should stay true its basic aim by preserving and promoting Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on March 09, 2019, 07:09:17 AM
Don't think it's even a worthy debate.. the snowflake generations in the 26 might feel different...might have changed their minds...happy with their lot...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on March 09, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
How disheartening it is to read some of the comments on here from supposed gaels.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2019, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 09, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
How disheartening it is to read some of the comments on here from supposed gaels.

Yip i concur, although it's not surprising TBH based on years of reading this crap on the board and conversations with so called Irish men around the country...very disappointing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2019, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2019, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 09, 2019, 08:33:56 AM
How disheartening it is to read some of the comments on here from supposed gaels.

Yip i concur, although it's not surprising TBH based on years of reading this crap on the board and conversations with so called Irish men around the country...very disappointing.

The Celtic tiger turned many in the south into people who measure everything in terms of money and wealth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardtole on March 09, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
If there was a referendum in the 26 counties regarding a United Ireland in the next 6 months, I'd be surprised if more than 40% voted in favour. Unfortunately, I think I am being generous with 40%, particularly in urban areas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 09:28:57 AM
People will vote as they want to if/When there's a Referendum on  changing the status of the 6 Cos.
The GAA will and should get on with their business of promoting/running their games.
Nonsense about betrayal and people not being Irishmen is just that -Nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on March 09, 2019, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 09:28:57 AM
People will vote as they want to if/When there's a Referendum on  changing the status of the 6 Cos.
The GAA will and should get on with their business of promoting/running their games.
Nonsense about betrayal and people not being Irishmen is just that -Nonsense.

That's our whole point...you guys look on us as Brits or half Irish men and not fellow Country men and couldn't care less what happens the occupied 6 as long as you are ok and it doesn't effect you, sure if it's not broken don't fix it attitude.
TBH the GAA will prob have the same attitude too, hard afraid of offending someone ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
Some ill informed sweeping generalisations there!!!!

At present only 1 party is calling for a "Border poll" as they have nothing to offer anyone except a catchy slogan.
If/When such a Referendum takes place the official GAA will not be  campaigning.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
Some ill informed sweeping generalisations there!!!!

At present only 1 party is calling for a "Border poll" as they have nothing to offer anyone except a catchy slogan.
If/When such a Referendum takes place the official GAA will not be  campaigning.

Why would the 'official GAA' , whatever that means, go against their own statement re: a 32 county Ireland.

Bit silly by people saying the GAA should stay out of the ref., if it happens.

The Gaa need to be strongly promoting the re-unification of our country.

The GAA needs to be the GAA in what it stands for unlike the partitionalist RTÉ.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
GAA is very strong at doing what it stands for = Promoting the National games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
GAA is very strong at doing what it stands for = Promoting the National games.

Just that - I must be mistaken.  It mustn"t include the strengthen tof the National Identity then! 

Too many west brits on this forum -' Ireland' stops at Newry through to Derry.  We look at RTÉ as an example. 

What must the founders of the GAA, never mind the men and women of 1916 be thinking now, with people saying the GAA should stay 'neutral' on a reunificitation vote?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 09, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
Some ill informed sweeping generalisations there!!!!

At present only 1 party is calling for a "Border poll" as they have nothing to offer anyone except a catchy slogan.
If/When such a Referendum takes place the official GAA will not be  campaigning.

Maybe they will, you don't know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
Maybe......
But not if Shinners keep hectoring them ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: weareros on March 09, 2019, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
GAA is very strong at doing what it stands for = Promoting the National games.

Just that - I must be mistaken.  It mustn"t include the strengthen tof the National Identity then! 

Too many west brits on this forum -' Ireland' stops at Newry through to Derry.  We look at RTÉ as an example. 

What must the founders of the GAA, never mind the men and women of 1916 be thinking now, with people saying the GAA should stay 'neutral' on a reunificitation vote?

I wouldn't call it staying neutral. Put it this way - if the the DUP, the Orange Order, IFA, Linfield are the ones campaigning for preservation of Union, they will sway no nationalists. Likewise, if the those campaigning for UI are GAA, SF, FF, FG, they will sway little to no Unionists necessary to put vote over 50%. I would hope when border poll comes as it will, we will be a little smarter on who should be the voices of a new Ireland. The membership of GAA are already 100% in the UI camp, and are not necessary to help win this vote.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2019, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
GAA is very strong at doing what it stands for = Promoting the National games.

Just that - I must be mistaken.  It mustn"t include the strengthen tof the National Identity then! 

Too many west brits on this forum -' Ireland' stops at Newry through to Derry.  We look at RTÉ as an example. 

What must the founders of the GAA, never mind the men and women of 1916 be thinking now, with people saying the GAA should stay 'neutral' on a reunificitation vote?

I wouldn't call it staying neutral. Put it this way - if the the DUP, the Orange Order, IFA, Linfield are the ones campaigning for preservation of Union, they will sway no nationalists. Likewise, if the those campaigning for UI are GAA, SF, FF, FG, they will sway little to no Unionists necessary to put vote over 50%. I would hope when border poll comes as it will, we will be a little smarter on who should be the voices of a new Ireland. The membership of GAA are already 100% in the UI camp, and are not necessary to help win this vote.

I would be very doubtful if 100% of GAA members, north or south are 'already' in the re-UI camp. It's all the 'wrong time at the minute' 'things are going well 'up there, so don't rock the boat' etc. etc. I.e. west brit partitionist mentality. Irishmen my big toe.  Even a lot of northern nationalists are the same - west brits.

Re: Unionists etc. I couldn't care less. They had a chance for nearly 100 years to look after nationalists but they treated us with distain and neglect.  They set up death squads, didn't give us jobs and build all the good infrastructure east of the Bann.  We see now all about the state sponsored murders and collusion - widespread and every single nationalist will tell you this.  They know - whether they are green or light green.

Not it's coming to an end - I couldn't care less about them.  They didn't respect nationalists for nearly 100years...they're hardly going to listen now.

The days of keeping your head down e.g. the Larne or Coleraine catholic are over.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 05:16:15 PM
Good lad.
Won't ever be a United Ireland while lads like you are spouting bile.
All those "partitionists, West Brits, unionists and Irishmen my big toe" will all be on the Voting Register ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 09, 2019, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 05:16:15 PM
Good lad.
Won't ever be a United Ireland while lads like you are spouting bile.
All those "partitionists, West Brits, unionists and Irishmen my big toe" will all be on the Voting Register ;)

Surely you mean a re-united Ireland?  The wee 6 was left behind a long time ago despite all the 'republican party' waffle.

Even Charlie Flanagan tweeted 'By the way it's 'ni' not the six counties'. What a clown? Very representative of lads on this forum though.  No surprise, his brief a while back included the 6 counties...his title was Minister of Foreign Affairs.....lol.

People from the 6 counties could be President of Ireland but can't vote in it...very inclusive....lol.

I'm never worried about lads like you and mindsets like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 06:47:15 PM
Good ladeen.
If only the other 6,599,999 people living in Ireland were like you..... ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on March 10, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
Maybe......
But not if Shinners keep hectoring them ;)

Joe Brolley is not a shinner though. As a matter of interest would you like to see a UI?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 10, 2019, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Totally agree BC.

Do the tour of city hall in Belfast and check out all the nationalist/catholic/republican items?  You could count them on 1 hand.  Nationalists were wiped from history - we didn't exist. The motorway ended in Toome and Dungannon - they didn't want decent infrastructure west of the Bann.  2nd university going to Coleraine instead of Derry.  I could go on. 

There will never be a time to talk about a reunited Ireland according to some.  . The 6 counties is a failed statelet - best option is to reunite and cut down on the dual health service, dual business development and dual tourist forums etc. 

Common sense will prevail.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 10, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 10, 2019, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Totally agree BC.

Do the tour of city hall in Belfast and check out all the nationalist/catholic/republican items?  You could count them on 1 hand.  Nationalists were wiped from history - we didn't exist. The motorway ended in Toome and Dungannon - they didn't want decent infrastructure west of the Bann.  2nd university going to Coleraine instead of Derry.  I could go on. 

There will never be a time to talk about a reunited Ireland according to some.  . The 6 counties is a failed statelet - best option is to reunite and cut down on the dual health service, dual business development and dual tourist forums etc. 

Common sense will prevail.

Hopefully.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 10, 2019, 05:30:47 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-using-the-gaa-to-bring-about-a-united-ireland-would-be-selfdefeating-37897007.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on March 10, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
Apparently Joe had a great piece this week in the Indo. ANyone have it to post?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Even the lunatics in SF recognise that holding a unity referendum without an agreed plan for a United Ireland is crazy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Even the lunatics in SF recognise that holding a unity referendum without an agreed plan for a United Ireland is crazy.

If you're waiting on unionists agreement on how a United Ireland might work, you'll be waiting a long long time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Even the lunatics in SF recognise that holding a unity referendum without an agreed plan for a United Ireland is crazy.

If you're waiting on unionists agreement on how a United Ireland might work, you'll be waiting a long long time.

Well sure we'll not bother then because you think so. It's the job for those on the unification side to make the case and convince people.
Remember the last time a referendum was held without an agreed way forward for different outcomes...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south.Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 10, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 10, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
Maybe......
But not if Shinners keep hectoring them ;)

Joe Brolley is not a shinner though. As a matter of interest would you like to see a UI?
I thought Joe inhabited the castle catholic territory and now  feeling abandoned is searching for his roots.
i have always believed that a divided Ireland is not permanent and unity is inevitable. Since the GFA I have been bemused by northern nationalists considering the economic impact of such a move as if the financial impact of unity had a value over being held ransom to the stranglehold of creationists and some of the dumbest cretins on the planet.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 10, 2019, 11:01:46 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 10, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
Maybe......
But not if Shinners keep hectoring them ;)

Joe Brolley is not a shinner though. As a matter of interest would you like to see a UI?
Yes.8
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Even the lunatics in SF recognise that holding a unity referendum without an agreed plan for a United Ireland is crazy.

If you're waiting on unionists agreement on how a United Ireland might work, you'll be waiting a long long time.

Well sure we'll not bother then because you think so. It's the job for those on the unification side to make the case and convince people.
Remember the last time a referendum was held without an agreed way forward for different outcomes...

That's not what I meant.

Unionists have said they'd rather be piss poor in uk than be rich in a United Ireland. You can try and convince them until the cows come home, but they'll not even entertain the idea of even discussing it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south.Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 11, 2019, 09:12:39 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 10, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
Marty34 does have a point. Nationalists were treated disgracefully in the north.

But this talk of a UI needs input from unionists about how it's going to work, blah blah... no amount of talking or money will ever ever make unionists want to be in a UI. The only way it's going to work is if there's a yes vote for a UI, then do it, and deal with the consequences (likely another Troubles era). As mad as that sounds, that's what will happen if there's a UI. If you're a nationalist but can't or don't want to deal with that consequence, then forget about ever living in a UI.

There will never be "the right time" for a UI, as far as unionists (and some nationalists) are concerned.

Even the lunatics in SF recognise that holding a unity referendum without an agreed plan for a United Ireland is crazy.

If you're waiting on unionists agreement on how a United Ireland might work, you'll be waiting a long long time.

Well sure we'll not bother then because you think so. It's the job for those on the unification side to make the case and convince people.
Remember the last time a referendum was held without an agreed way forward for different outcomes...

That's not what I meant.

Unionists have said they'd rather be piss poor in uk than be rich in a United Ireland. You can try and convince them until the cows come home, but they'll not even entertain the idea of even discussing it.
1 - The pro United Ireland parties need to lay out their vision of a UI.
2- They need to discuss and agree a preferred version
3- any Referendum in the 6 Cos will be decided by the non aligned segment of the population.
They plus of course soft nationalists are the ones that need convincing.
Unionists will of course vote against s UI as otherwise they wouldn't be Unionists.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 09:37:50 AM
Unionists vision of the north is not shared. They don't want or will agree on anything to do with Irish language, gaa etc. So, if you can't get them to agree to share this place, what hope do you have of them agreeing in a United Ireland?

As soon as you mention 'United Ireland', unionists don't want to know, no matter the benefits or rewards economically, financially or otherwise. It's a complete waste of time. Nationalists interests were not taken on board upon the creation of this god forsaken sectarian hellhole, nor in the decades that followed.

If you want a UI, get the 50%+1, then deal with the consequences. It ain't going to be pretty. But to get that 50+1, it's going to be very tricky. No matter the numbers in favour, a hell of a lot won't go for it because ultimately a lot of nationalists north and south will not want to live through another 4 decades of violence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on March 11, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on March 08, 2019, 03:57:57 PM
As an aside, I wonder did any GAA clubs protest the Roscommon hospital closure issue when it was ongoing? That was a political decision not liked by the people of Roscommon, many I am sure were GAA people. Didnt the protest Marches even start at the Hyde?

I attended a Roscommon v Tyrone qualifier in the Hyde circa 2011, outside which there was a big protest about the hospital closure. I noted at the the time that the large Tyrone support at the game must have been bemused by it given the multiple hospital closures their own county had previously endured.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 11, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.

Yeah NI didn't work. But lets face it the Republic was a bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. Both failed.
Everything needs put on the table. From the NHS to flags and anthems and provincial assemblys etc. Then only when an agreed pathway is concluded should the people be asked to vote.
I also don't agree with this line that Unionists won't listen so lets just have the vote. Peter Robinson has recently said that Unionists need to engage on this issue. They're stanch but not stupid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 11, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
The new Irish Confederation (copyright me) Will have a new flag and anthem.
It will have 2 semi autonomous units (present 6 and 26 Cos).
6 Cos people will still be entitled to dual citizenship (for those who want it) as per the GFA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south.Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2019, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

The flag would have to recognise the 2 traditions. So it would have to have green and orange
With maybe white in between them

Sunningdale for really slow learners
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 11, 2019, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south.Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.

I'm sorry Lar but that post absolutely stinks of "I'm alright Jack". You think it's up to Nationalists in the North to engage with the Unionists/ Loyalists? Do you not think the South has a part to play there as well?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2019, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2019, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

The flag would have to recognise the 2 traditions. So it would have to have green and orange
With maybe white in between them

Sunningdale for really slow learners

Well said. Two traditions represented on the flag we have at the moment. Cue a member of the unionist tradition saying 'we don't want to be represented by a stripe on a flag' shit. Where's the nationalist representation on Evil Genius' flag?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 12:47:30 PM
Every Irish man and woman knows the proper intent behind the Irish flag. But the point is that it is now seen as something completely different in Unionist communities. Surely we would have to be willing to adjust and adapt our national flag for the sake of Irish unity? I for one would have no problem if it made the transition easier for every individual on this island.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 11, 2019, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south. Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.

I'm sorry Lar but that post absolutely stinks of "I'm alright Jack". You think it's up to Nationalists in the North to engage with the Unionists/ Loyalists? Do you not think the South has a part to play there as well?
I do indeed and I thought I made that clear. Everybody north and south wlil have to accept that it will take a lot of compromise to get a UI to work. As I see it, that includes all of the shinners coming onboard and leaving their eyeballing the loyalists behind them. As I see it, there are plenty of rational, reasonable members of that party  that work hard for the common good as it is and I vote SF down here.
Mary Lou is gaining a lot of support down here, especially from the older women, believe it or not! They are putting it up to the traditional parties and good luck to them but please leave the headballs behind if and when a UI comes about!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on March 11, 2019, 12:57:51 PM
I'd happily change flag anthem and whatever else to accommodate unionists in a united Ireland. The thing is a lot of the more staunch Unionists/Loyalists won't accept unification under any circumstances. You only have to look at the behaviour of these Neanderthals over the weekend in Ballynahinch. Plan without these morons. They can have their place in a unified Irish state but they don't deserve to be consulted if they continue to refuse to even consider talking about it. The more moderate and pragmatic unionists/loyalists should be welcomed with open arms. The Uber-bigot DUP types can f**k off back to Scotland for all I care. There is no talking to them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardtole on March 11, 2019, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 11, 2019, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south. Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.

I'm sorry Lar but that post absolutely stinks of "I'm alright Jack". You think it's up to Nationalists in the North to engage with the Unionists/ Loyalists? Do you not think the South has a part to play there as well?
I do indeed and I thought I made that clear. Everybody north and south wlil have to accept that it will take a lot of compromise to get a UI to work. As I see it, that includes all of the shinners coming onboard and leaving their eyeballing the loyalists behind them. As I see it, there are plenty of rational, reasonable members of that party  that work hard for the common good as it is and I vote SF down here.
Mary Lou is gaining a lot of support down here, especially from the older women, believe it or not! They are putting it up to the traditional parties and good luck to them but please leave the headballs behind if and when a UI comes about!

Who are the headballs in SF that you are talking about. I think SF have been quite quiet during the whole brexit episode, and if anything are sitting on the sideline letting the dup dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
This is what amounts to politics here. Sit on your arse and wait for the other side to put their foot in their mouth, then get up off your arse and attack them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
This is what amounts to politics here. Sit on your arse and wait for the other side to put their foot in their mouth, then get up off your arse and attack them.
That's  exactly what I mean!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on March 11, 2019, 01:53:02 PM
I think any concerted push for reunification has to be led by voices within civic nationalism rather than by SF so as to bring the middle ground along with it. There is a hardcore element of unionism and loyalism that would not countenance a UI under any circumstances whilst there is a similar element within republicanism who would vote the opposite. The poll will be won and lost by how the 20-30% in the middle vote. That is why a SF led push for reunification may become slightly off putting to some within that grouping. The GAA are made up of people from different political persuasions and whilst you could argue that politics should be left out of the GAA, I think their support would carry significant weight among soft nationalists.
 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LooseCannon on March 11, 2019, 05:03:27 PM
I know that Senator Mark Daly did up a report on it. I think that it's on this link.
https://senatormarkdaly.org/uniting-ireland-in-peace-prosperity/
He seems to be a good guy. He did a lot for the Irish Sign Language and the deaf community.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
While I think the vast majority of people south of the border are in favour of a UI, most would be apprehensive of the inevitable consequences. The probability of a violent loyalist backlash has most of us very worried.
Right now we have major issues of our own, namely Health, Homelessness and Harris in no particular order.
If there should be a hard Brexit, there will be a renewal of hostilities along the border at the re-introduction of customs posts.
The cost of subsiding the people of NI to the tune of billions of euro annually for the foreseeable future is another mater folks down here won't welcome.
All in all, Marty & Co. should take nothing for granted about public sentiment down south.Maybe a good start would be for the Shinners to tone down their aggressive approach to the debate about unification.

Says the person who uses the terms 'issues of our own', 'folks down here' and 'down south'....very partitionist terminology indeed.

I see Charlie Flanagan on the politics show - pity the interviwer didn't ask him why he hasn't released the Crowley report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie.  It was at a border post.

The GAA, according to some on here, shouldn't get involved in politics but recently they voted to have the report released but Flanagan won't do it - I wonder why?  Oh that's right, he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties!
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.

Lol..how partitionist can you get - how many phrases can you put into a few paragraphs?

And then you use the classic 'ni'...a failed statelet.

Good job there was lads like Pearse and Connolly about in 1916 - they'd wouldn't be happy with you!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.

Yeah NI didn't work. But lets face it the Republic was a bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. Both failed.
Everything needs put on the table. From the NHS to flags and anthems and provincial assemblys etc. Then only when an agreed pathway is concluded should the people be asked to vote.
I also don't agree with this line that Unionists won't listen so lets just have the vote. Peter Robinson has recently said that Unionists need to engage on this issue. They're stanch but not stupid.

Unionists won't listen - get real.  We see that in these Brexit dealings - they don't care about the economy.  It's all about the apron strings to 'the motherland'. 

Look back at E. Phonex's colum 'One This Day' in The Irish News and you can see they were rioting in the 1920's by trying to get an orange parade through a catholic area.  Discrimination in the 50's and 60's.  Murder squads in conjunction with the Brits in the 70's, 80's and 90's. 

Have a chat with them and let me know how you get on.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 11, 2019, 07:28:33 PM
Would you have anything constructive to offer?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.

Yeah NI didn't work. But lets face it the Republic was a bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. Both failed.
Everything needs put on the table. From the NHS to flags and anthems and provincial assemblys etc. Then only when an agreed pathway is concluded should the people be asked to vote.
I also don't agree with this line that Unionists won't listen so lets just have the vote. Peter Robinson has recently said that Unionists need to engage on this issue. They're stanch but not stupid.

Yes but Peter didn't say that when he was in politics.

While in politics, he had to think of his party, seat and big salary. Any unionist that tried to compromise was ostracised (Paisley and Trimble more recently). Some of them talk more sense when they hang up the boots. While in the seat, they stir up the bigotry in their voters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 11, 2019, 07:28:33 PM
Would you have anything constructive to offer?

I presume that's to me? This is a forum. People agree, people disagree.  Who says you have to be constructive?  This is an ongoing debate.

Re: something constructive.  Did I not say talking to unionists is a waste of time?  That's constructive i.e. don't waste your time trying to convince them.  Your mates Leo and Simon know what they're like now after dealing with them in the Brexit shenagians.  You can't deal with them!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.

Yeah NI didn't work. But lets face it the Republic was a bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. Both failed.
Everything needs put on the table. From the NHS to flags and anthems and provincial assemblys etc. Then only when an agreed pathway is concluded should the people be asked to vote.
I also don't agree with this line that Unionists won't listen so lets just have the vote. Peter Robinson has recently said that Unionists need to engage on this issue. They're stanch but not stupid.

Yes but Peter didn't say that when he was in politics.

While in politics, he had to think of his party, seat and big salary. Any unionist that tried to compromise was ostracised (Paisley and Trimble more recently). Some of them talk more sense when they hang up the boots. While in the seat, they stir up the bigotry in their voters.

On the money BC!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Kickham csc on March 12, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 11, 2019, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 11, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Surely the sales pitch has to make a 32 county Ireland much more appealing than our current setup. How this is achieved is the million dollar question. I wonder would Joe be willing to have a new flag and a new anthem to effectively wipe the slate clean and start afresh? What would be the thoughts of those options? From living in the North I find our Irish flag is used almost as a weapon to act as a deterrent towards Unionists. For a UI to work we will have to embrace and promote the culture of every man woman and child on the island. Unionists need to be shown that a UI for them will not be what NI was for nationalists.

Does the bully think there's a problem with what he's doing? No.

As far as unionists are concerned, nationalists in the north were never discriminated against or denied anything. They defend gerrymandering, collusion, internment etc etc. For them, NI works and always has done. Well, it did up until the GFA when they had to try and share with those pesky fenians. And look how that worked out.

Yeah NI didn't work. But lets face it the Republic was a bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. Both failed.
Everything needs put on the table. From the NHS to flags and anthems and provincial assemblys etc. Then only when an agreed pathway is concluded should the people be asked to vote.
I also don't agree with this line that Unionists won't listen so lets just have the vote. Peter Robinson has recently said that Unionists need to engage on this issue. They're stanch but not stupid.

Yes but Peter didn't say that when he was in politics.

While in politics, he had to think of his party, seat and big salary. Any unionist that tried to compromise was ostracised (Paisley and Trimble more recently). Some of them talk more sense when they hang up the boots. While in the seat, they stir up the bigotry in their voters.

On the money BC!

Bit of a crazy statement there. Rome shithole

and the last bit, you contradicted yourself.

bit of a Rome shithole up until recently as well. does this not mean that the Republic is a success.

The republic has not only survived; a civil war and the usual 1-2 generations of post civil war politics, recessions and mass immigration, church influence, but it has developed to a modern society that has been extremely innovative in establish an industrial business sector, tourism business sector, agriculture business sector, and more recently a financial business sector. If the republic has failed, god help the north
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
Church influence, mass emigration and recession didn't stop at the border. Throw in 30+ years of the troubles and British state collusion/shoot to kill/internment etc etc.

While not meant as a partitionist post, just pointing out someone's fortune to be born on a certain side of the border.

Yes the north is a political cesspit which in turn influences economic affairs. Had the north a stable situation, things might be so different. And any prosperity it may have is all balanced on a knife edge. Brexit or a border poll, and the house of cards all comes tumbling down. The south doesn't live on such a precipice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2019, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
Church influence, mass emigration and recession didn't stop at the border. Throw in 30+ years of the troubles and British state collusion/shoot to kill/internment etc etc.

While not meant as a partitionist post, just pointing out someone's fortune to be born on a certain side of the border.

Yes the north is a political cesspit which in turn influences economic affairs. Had the north a stable situation, things might be so different. And any prosperity it may have is all balanced on a knife edge. Brexit or a border poll, and the house of cards all comes tumbling down. The south doesn't live on such a precipice.

The border was pretty random
I think there were 3 options. Tyrone was only in one of them
What was unforgivable about the original elite of NI was the insistence that the people weren't Irish. They hated anything Irish
FFS
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2019, 05:04:51 PM
They still do and can't accept the fact that 90% of their place names are just bad phonetic spellings of the original Gaeilge.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2019, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
Church influence, mass emigration and recession didn't stop at the border. Throw in 30+ years of the troubles and British state collusion/shoot to kill/internment etc etc.

While not meant as a partitionist post, just pointing out someone's fortune to be born on a certain side of the border.

Yes the north is a political cesspit which in turn influences economic affairs. Had the north a stable situation, things might be so different. And any prosperity it may have is all balanced on a knife edge. Brexit or a border poll, and the house of cards all comes tumbling down. The south doesn't live on such a precipice.

The border was pretty random
I think there were 3 options. Tyrone was only in one of them
What was unforgivable about the original elite of NI was the insistence that the people weren't Irish. They hated anything Irish
FFS

Did you expect anything else? Fenced-in Protestants holding the majority. An artificial state created for Protestants. Handed the steering wheel by London, and given free reign over a trod-down catholic population. Nobody to answer to. We are the people, the only ones that matter, a British state for British people. Why would they tolerate anything Irish in an artificial super-Brit state?

Given 100 years of ruling the roost, they're unlikely to move away from that behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 12, 2019, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2019, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
Church influence, mass emigration and recession didn't stop at the border. Throw in 30+ years of the troubles and British state collusion/shoot to kill/internment etc etc.

While not meant as a partitionist post, just pointing out someone's fortune to be born on a certain side of the border.

Yes the north is a political cesspit which in turn influences economic affairs. Had the north a stable situation, things might be so different. And any prosperity it may have is all balanced on a knife edge. Brexit or a border poll, and the house of cards all comes tumbling down. The south doesn't live on such a precipice.

The border was pretty random
I think there were 3 options. Tyrone was only in one of them
What was unforgivable about the original elite of NI was the insistence that the people weren't Irish. They hated anything Irish
FFS

Did you expect anything else? Fenced-in Protestants holding the majority. An artificial state created for Protestants. Handed the steering wheel by London, and given free reign over a trod-down catholic population. Nobody to answer to. We are the people, the only ones that matter, a British state for British people. Why would they tolerate anything Irish in an artificial super-Brit state?

Given 100 years of ruling the roost, they're unlikely to move away from that behaviour.

Correct - all this we need to buy the soft centre over and put our plan to them.  Won't work and will never work.  People need to understand this, especially in the 26 counties.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
Up to the 6 Cos to vote first if/when there's a "Border poll".
I hope marty isn't leading the UI campaign.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2019, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 12, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
Up to the 6 Cos to vote first if/when there's a "Border poll".
I hope marty isn't leading the UI campaign.

Up to the Secretary of state for NI to grant the referendum in the first place. If another one as idiotic as the current one gets the job, I wouldn't hold my breath on it happening any time soon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 12, 2019, 09:43:17 PM
Surely not even the Brits could have another as thick as Bradley  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
We said that with brokenshire and then we got her >:(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on March 12, 2019, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 11, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
<Sigh> ;D ;D
I see you still don't get the message so I'll spell it out for you.
The vast majority down here would be in favour of a UI. But we have enough problems of our own without having to put up with the antics of the lunatic fringe of SF.
If you and your ilk want to keep fighting the battle of the Boyne over and over again with the extreme loyalist mob who has as little time for compromise and dialogue as you have, them you can frig off and do your point scoring and coat trailing somewhere else.
It would appear that most of the Nationalist in NI are sensible people and know there is more to a UI than a mere majority of one in any referendum that might be held sometime in the future and  I, for one, would have no difficulty in welcoming them onboard.
It's the loolas fringe that concerns us down here. There's a serious possibility that there will be strong opposition from the loyalist faction as it is without you and your fellow-travellers stirring the shit for them.
I dunno why Charlie Flanagan didn't release any report into the murder of Aidan McAnespie and neither do you. It doesn't necessarily follow that he doesn't give a toss about the people of the 6 counties.
You sort out your differences with themmuns first before you bring your problems down here.

'Us down here' and 'your ilk up there'.

They say a good sign of intelligence is being able to put yourself in the shoes of someone else and to really properly see things from their perspective. Do those people in the 26 counties who use this sort of partitionist language with such relish ever stop and think why this disowning, identity-stripping language is so nauseating and infuriating to six county nationalists/republicans?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
We said that with brokenshire and then we got her >:(

We also said that about Reid, Mandelson, Villiers, Woodward, Hain...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
We said that with brokenshire and then we got her >:(

We also said that about Reid, Mandelson, Villiers, Woodward, Hain...

Yep.  >:(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on March 13, 2019, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 12, 2019, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
We said that with brokenshire and then we got her >:(

We also said that about Reid, Mandelson, Villiers, Woodward, Hain...

Yep.  >:(

I'd say getting picked as SoS for Northern Ireland is akin to a reward of sorts for unwavering loyalty but too dim to take on a top job and not do too much damage.

(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03388/enfield_3388479b.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 13, 2019, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 12, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
Up to the 6 Cos to vote first if/when there's a "Border poll".
I hope marty isn't leading the UI campaign.

We know what campaign you'll be leading!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 13, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
If the 6 Cos vote to leave the "Precious Union"
In the subsequent Referendum here I will be voting for the 26 to take them in.
Now come out of your cave .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 14, 2019, 09:28:36 AM
I'm not sure the 26c get a vote. The GFA says we do what tbe 6 want
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 14, 2019, 10:26:31 AM
Read it again buckeen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 14, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 14, 2019, 09:28:36 AM
I'm not sure the 26c get a vote. The GFA says we do what tbe 6 want
Here it is, courtesy of Wikipedia:
Status of Northern Ireland
that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom;
that a substantial section of the people of Northern Ireland, and the majority of the people of the island of Ireland, wished to bring about a united Ireland.

Also:
The Irish Constitution was also amended to implicitly recognise Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom's sovereign territory,[4] conditional upon the consent for a united Ireland from majorities of the people in both jurisdictions on the island.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.

To be fair, St Patrick's Day is not a day for tricolours. Nor is it a day for wearing Celtic shirts. Or stupid feckin' leprechaun hats!  St Patrick (supposedly) brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism. The day has been hijacked with all that. It's not Ireland Day, it's a saints day.

There are are some Protestants who celebrate it. There would be more only they probably don't feel comfortable being in the middle of what looks like a Celtic match.

While unionists will do anything to water down the Irishness, on this occasion I reluctantly see their point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on March 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.

To be fair, St Patrick's Day is not a day for tricolours. Nor is it a day for wearing Celtic shirts. Or stupid feckin' leprechaun hats!  St Patrick (supposedly) brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism. The day has been hijacked with all that. It's not Ireland Day, it's a saints day.

There are are some Protestants who celebrate it. There would be more only they probably don't feel comfortable being in the middle of what looks like a Celtic match.

While unionists will do anything to water down the Irishness, on this occasion I reluctantly see their point.
The patron saint of Ireland , and it's not a day for tricolours........
Protestants can celebrate what they want,  one day for flying a tricolour shouldn't be that hurtful ffs
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on March 15, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.

To be fair, St Patrick’s Day is not a day for tricolours. Nor is it a day for wearing Celtic shirts. Or stupid feckin’ leprechaun hats!  St Patrick (supposedly) brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism. The day has been hijacked with all that. It’s not Ireland Day, it’s a saints day.

There are are some Protestants who celebrate it. There would be more only they probably don’t feel comfortable being in the middle of what looks like a Celtic match.

While unionists will do anything to water down the Irishness, on this occasion I reluctantly see their point.
revisionism at its worst
of course he brought Catholicism to the country what do you think they are protesting about .
As for Tri colors  etc that more to do with it also being Ireland's national day rather than an expression of religious fervor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.

To be fair, St Patrick's Day is not a day for tricolours. Nor is it a day for wearing Celtic shirts. Or stupid feckin' leprechaun hats!  St Patrick (supposedly) brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism. The day has been hijacked with all that. It's not Ireland Day, it's a saints day.

There are are some Protestants who celebrate it. There would be more only they probably don't feel comfortable being in the middle of what looks like a Celtic match.

While unionists will do anything to water down the Irishness, on this occasion I reluctantly see their point.
The patron saint of Ireland , and it's not a day for tricolours........
Protestants can celebrate what they want,  one day for flying a tricolour shouldn't be that hurtful ffs

What's a tricolour got to do with St Patrick though?

Protestants are Christians. They are entitled to celebrate St Patrick's Day and lots do. But most avoid the paddywhackery and I don't blame them.

If you want to fly a tricolour, a day commemorating Ireland's (part) independence from Britain is the day to do that. If you have to wear anything on St Patrick's Day it should be shamrock, and shamrock only.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on March 15, 2019, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on March 15, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
The fact that the prods have managed to water down St Patrick's day parades up here in the north by issuing statements making people feel that they cant fly a tri-colour and in fact banning the national flag from parades by treating to withhold funding if they are flown shows that nationalist will still bow down. This needs to stop.

To be fair, St Patrick's Day is not a day for tricolours. Nor is it a day for wearing Celtic shirts. Or stupid feckin' leprechaun hats!  St Patrick (supposedly) brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism. The day has been hijacked with all that. It's not Ireland Day, it's a saints day.

There are are some Protestants who celebrate it. There would be more only they probably don't feel comfortable being in the middle of what looks like a Celtic match.

While unionists will do anything to water down the Irishness, on this occasion I reluctantly see their point.
The patron saint of Ireland , and it's not a day for tricolours........
Protestants can celebrate what they want,  one day for flying a tricolour shouldn't be that hurtful ffs

What's a tricolour got to do with St Patrick though?

Protestants are Christians. They are entitled to celebrate St Patrick's Day and lots do. But most avoid the paddywhackery and I don't blame them.

If you want to fly a tricolour, a day commemorating Ireland's (part) independence from Britain is the day to do that. If you have to wear anything on St Patrick's Day it should be shamrock, and shamrock only.

Jaysus, I hope everyone I see on Sunday is wearing more than a shamrock only
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 15, 2019, 08:55:55 PM
Not sure what Celtic had to do with St Patricks day either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
So the English have no business flying the flag of St George on St George's Day? The Scots have no business flying the Saltire on St Andrew's Day? The Welsh have no business flying their national flag on St David's Day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
So the English have no business flying the flag of St George on St George's Day? The Scots have no business flying the Saltire on St Andrew's Day? The Welsh have no business flying their national flag on St David's Day?

Different scenario. The flag of Scotland and England are their saints flag. So ok, technically if you're for flying a flag on St Patrick's Day, it should be the one below, and not a tricolour.

(http://projectbritain.com/nationaldays/images/ireland.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2019, 11:38:05 PM
Wasn't that red x concocted by the Brits so it would fit neatly onto the Union Jack?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 15, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
So the English have no business flying the flag of St George on St George's Day? The Scots have no business flying the Saltire on St Andrew's Day? The Welsh have no business flying their national flag on St David's Day?

Different scenario. The flag of Scotland and England are their saints flag. So ok, technically if you're for flying a flag on St Patrick's Day, it should be the one below, and not a tricolour.

(http://projectbritain.com/nationaldays/images/ireland.jpg)

Talking some shite a chara, in fairness!   ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on March 16, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Hold on.... people are flying the national flag on the national holiday???

Well that is just as shocking as it is outrageous.
::)

"Saint Patrick's Day no more we'll keep, his colours can't be seen, for they're hanging men & women for the wearing of the green"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 16, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 16, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Hold on.... people are flying the national flag on the national holiday???

Well that is just as shocking as it is outrageous.

::)

It's the celebration of a saint, not a national holiday.

US Independence Day. Americans flying the US flag, that's understandable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2019, 11:38:05 PM
Wasn't that red x concocted by the Brits so it would fit neatly onto the Union Jack?

I read something somewhere about that too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2019, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 16, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 16, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Hold on.... people are flying the national flag on the national holiday???

Well that is just as shocking as it is outrageous.

::)

It's the celebration of a saint, not a national holiday.


US Independence Day. Americans flying the US flag, that's understandable.


Question: What date did the the Republic of Ireland get its independence?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Last Caress on March 16, 2019, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder did any one have a flag at the Armagh St Patricks Day parade TODAY?  The 16th of March. Unionist Dominated Council objected to it being held on Sunday. Fly your flag if you want.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Over the Bar on March 17, 2019, 10:36:24 PM
What is that rose looking thing on his lapel on TSG?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 17, 2019, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2019, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 16, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 16, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Hold on.... people are flying the national flag on the national holiday???

Well that is just as shocking as it is outrageous.

::)

It's the celebration of a saint, not a national holiday.


US Independence Day. Americans flying the US flag, that's understandable.


Question: What date did the the Republic of Ireland get its independence?
On December 6th, 1921.
At least that's when the Irish Free State was established.The Free State didn't officially become a republic until 8 December 1949.
And if you are having a really slow day, you might be interested to know that there's a helluva difference between the "Republic of Ireland" and the "Irish Republic."
The latter was what the Shinners used when they declared independence from Britain after the 1918 elections.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 17, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Why not have Independence Day in December then? And leave St Patrick's Day as it should be, a saints day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on March 18, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on March 16, 2019, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder did any one have a flag at the Armagh St Patricks Day parade TODAY?  The 16th of March. Unionist Dominated Council objected to it being held on Sunday. Fly your flag if you want.

Just for note I understand than the parade on 16th in Armagh was very poorly attended - I went to Cross to watch Armagh play. Sunday's parade led with flags from all over the world. It probably attracted the biggest attendance in years. In their parade highlights show on Sunday UTV showed the Saturday parade.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on March 19, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Why not have Independence Day in December then?

Because we aren't Independent yet.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 19, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Why not have Independence Day in December then?

Because we aren't Independent yet.

Yes, I did say Ireland's part independence from Britain (#4808)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on March 20, 2019, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 19, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Why not have Independence Day in December then?

Because we aren't Independent yet.

Yes, I did say Ireland's part independence from Britain (#4808)

Thus making your suggestion of having an Independence Day all the stranger.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 20, 2019, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 20, 2019, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 19, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Why not have Independence Day in December then?

Because we aren't Independent yet.

Yes, I did say Ireland's part independence from Britain (#4808)

Thus making your suggestion of having an Independence Day all the stranger.

India celebrate their independence, even though they were partitioned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 21, 2019, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 20, 2019, 03:33:04 PM

India celebrate their independence, even though they were partitioned.

India was partitioned from Pakistan (East and West), not northern India... d'oh!  :P :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 21, 2019, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 21, 2019, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 20, 2019, 03:33:04 PM

India celebrate their independence, even though they were partitioned.

India was partioned from Pakistan (East and West), not northern India... d'oh!  :P :)
The Brits left in a hurry. The border between India and Pakistan was decided in a few weeks. In the north there is a large region which is still disputed between the countries.
Does this sound familiar ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on March 21, 2019, 09:45:30 AM
Just to poke things slightly...

Isn't St Patrick's colour Blue? or did I just imagine that?

Carry on...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 22, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2019, 08:26:03 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 21, 2019, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 20, 2019, 03:33:04 PM

India celebrate their independence, even though they were partitioned.

India was partioned from Pakistan (East and West), not northern India... d'oh!  :P :)
The Brits left in a hurry. The border between India and Pakistan was decided in a few weeks. In the north there is a large region which is still disputed between the countries.
Does this sound familiar ?

FFS, they just had an Imperial penchant for drawing lines on the maps of other peoples' nations. How long do you think they laboured over the 6 County demarcation? I'll give you a clue: not very.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Don't know about that.. look at the Fermanagh border around the lakes. Strangest bordering layout u could get.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 23, 2019, 01:32:36 AM
I believe their may have been variations along the original boundary here
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 23, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 23, 2019, 01:32:36 AM
I believe their may have been variations along the original boundary here

There were three candidates for the partition of Ireland rather summarily drawn up, with the current abomination* as the chosen one; that despite earnest promises from Britain that the Boundary Commission's findings would be implemented, but her perfidy soon put paid to that plan.

* Any incarnation of partition is actually an abomination.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 24, 2019, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 22, 2019, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Don't know about that.. look at the Fermanagh border around the lakes. Strangest bordering layout u could get.
Would that (county) border not have been drawn up long before the partition of Ireland?

Yup. Those lines were only ever intended as local government boundaries. Partition was seen as a temporary measure, so they probably didn't think it would matter much.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 24, 2019, 09:31:29 PM
I seriously doubt the Brits looked at partition as temporary.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 31, 2019, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 24, 2019, 09:31:29 PM
I seriously doubt the Brits looked at partition as temporary.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 06, 2019, 08:11:26 AM
Yesterday's article on the Dubs has to go down as the most turgidly boring thing I have ever read.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on May 06, 2019, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 06, 2019, 08:11:26 AM
Yesterday's article on the Dubs has to go down as the most turgidly boring thing I have ever read.

Agree. Read the first half then quit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oliverkelly on August 07, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Cant see his tweets as he has me blocked but he is off his head. A complete and utter gobshite
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on August 07, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
He's on the brink of a mc kennaesque breakdown.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

I think his views on GAA matches on Sky or other pay-per-view platforms are spot on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on August 07, 2019, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

That started a long time ago. Last year I poked gentle fun at him and he responded with a string of expletives.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

The GAA have sold their soul by giving sky backdoor games and 2 super 8 games. Anyone who questions it gets a string of expletive insults in response.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on August 07, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

The GAA have sold their soul by giving sky backdoor games and 2 super 8 games. Anyone who questions it gets a string of expletive insults in response.
I think he's right
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 07, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why would he be getting into hot water with his employers when he is doing nothing but defend RTE from any form of criticism?

It is fairly clear that Harte was subtly referring to RTE and probably more specifically Brolly when he referred to people using elderly/sick people in nursing homes to push their own agenda. Brolly seen this and exploded with rage. The reaction from Brolly was then fairly predictable.

You can argue whether Brolly has an agenda or not when it comes to this but I think the jist of his argument is correct in that no GAA matches should be behind a paywall. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 07, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

The GAA have sold their soul by giving sky backdoor games and 2 super 8 games. Anyone who questions it gets a string of expletive insults in response.
I think he's right

Imagine a legitimate pundit regularly telling people to F off on Twitter, they'd be out in a flash. Let's not forget the man is also a barrister.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on August 07, 2019, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 07, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why would he be getting into hot water with his employers when he is doing nothing but defend RTE from any form of criticism?

It is fairly clear that Harte was subtly referring to RTE and probably more specifically Brolly when he referred to people using elderly/sick people in nursing homes to push their own agenda. Brolly seen this and exploded with rage. The reaction from Brolly was then fairly predictable.

You can argue whether Brolly has an agenda or not when it comes to this but I think the jist of his argument is correct in that no GAA matches should be behind a paywall. 
hos only agenda is to be talked about ,
the man does not have the character to actually hold a view he believes in. suits his job well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 07, 2019, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 07, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

The GAA have sold their soul by giving sky backdoor games and 2 super 8 games. Anyone who questions it gets a string of expletive insults in response.
I think he's right

Imagine a legitimate pundit regularly telling people to F off on Twitter, they'd be out in a flash. Let's not forget the man is also a barrister.

There is definitely a vindictive side to him which often results in needless insults, however that doesn't mean that his original argument is wrong. If those same personal insults were a problem for RTE then he would have been gone years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 07, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
Things like admission fees and a load of tickets going to corporates for things like AI finals are much worse than the sky thing IMO.

The GAA sold themselves out a long time ago.

I always thought it worse when they were showing stuff on TV# and a load of people in the north couldn't get it. That to me is worse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on August 07, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: ck on August 07, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 11:57:20 PM
He's completely losing the run of himself over on Twitter. Entering into the sort of territory that could get him in hot water with his employers.

Why, what did he say?

As far as I know he's a self employed barrister and is a millionaire. He'll have no concerns about any repercussions.

The GAA have sold their soul by giving sky backdoor games and 2 super 8 games. Anyone who questions it gets a string of expletive insults in response.

5 super 8 games. You may have beef with Brolly (god knows I'm not his biggest fan) but giving a multi-billionaire and his subscription TV platform exclusive rights to our games is wrong. I'd say the percentage of folk coming out in support of Sky and historically have had a Sky subscription for the premier league is huge. The disconnect between clubs and Croke Park is huge, HQ is soulless at this stage
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
It doesn't even work its way out of Dublin. Look at the origin of gaelic games and the reason for them. The Gaa long lost its ethos. Look at the amount of people at games compared to the to 20yrs ago. The only one making a living out of the gaa is county managers, and trainers, and admin staff at croke Park.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
Do many of those who want  Gaelic games on free to air TV only ever attend or pay into an actual game?
Maybe in a true back to our roots amateur ethos we should let people in free to all games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2019, 11:27:34 AM
I pay in to follow my team in the north. I attended the leinster final ever year during the 90's. Going to games in munster or connacht too far away so I like to watch on TV. I do have a issue with the cost of div 1&2 league games and bck door qualifier games, they are a rip off. The cost of sky a rip off and when I am at, I can't seen to get rte player up here either to watch Michael meets Davie.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
Do many of those who want  Gaelic games on free to air TV only ever attend or pay into an actual game?
Maybe in a true back to our roots amateur ethos we should let people in free to all games.

I went to All Ireland Hurling final last year 320 euro for tickets, journey down food etc about 500 euro in total, yes I go to games and only missed one for my county all year but for neutrals or people who are working that day with en evening throw in etc they aren't going to make them.  Stadiums cost money and the GAA has a right to raise revenue but to deny big games to the masses is wrong, the GAA has become a money making machine and once they have started down this road it's hard to stop, I suppose someone has to pay for Dublin players personal meal plans and transportation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
Do many of those who want  Gaelic games on free to air TV only ever attend or pay into an actual game?
Maybe in a true back to our roots amateur ethos we should let people in free to all games.

I went to All Ireland Hurling final last year 320 euro for tickets, journey down food etc about 500 euro in total, yes I go to games and only missed one for my county all year but for neutrals or people who are working that day with en evening throw in etc they aren't going to make them.  Stadiums cost money and the GAA has a right to raise revenue but to deny big games to the masses is wrong, the GAA has become a money making machine and once they have started down this road it's hard to stop, I suppose someone has to pay for Dublin players personal meal plans and transportation.

That was two kids and two adults - no concessions for a final with the Grab All.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
You must be well in getting 4 AI Final tickets  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 07, 2019, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

I have never seen a real fan denied a ticket. For last years All Ireland final (Football) there was a heap of tickets.
The whole coverage of our games is a mess. Antrim V Tyrone was on TV this year yet Tyrone V Derry 1st round wasn't.

GAA games shouldn't be behind a paywall. I have actually changed my mind on this but if you see young children watching sport on TV it encourages them to go and play it. My son was mad to play Rugby after watching the 6nations, crazy for Tennis in July and is mad for GAA. Hurling & Football. And no amount of €s or £s will be able to replicate that. If children can't see, they can't aspire and if they can't aspire, they can't be.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: iorras on August 07, 2019, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
Oh come on, all the money from the Sky deal works it's way back to the clubs dubs.
Fixed that for ya there hardstation
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 07, 2019, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2019, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
Oh come on, all the money from the Sky deal works it's way back to the clubs dubs.
Fixed that for ya there hardstation
Nonsense. There are struggling clubs all over the country who depend on this money. Indeed, selling all of the rights to our games to Sky will see our national games thrive at local level.

Genuinely.

Are you being sarcastic?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on August 07, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2019, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2019, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

I have never seen a real fan denied a ticket. For last years All Ireland final (Football) there was a heap of tickets.
The whole coverage of our games is a mess. Antrim V Tyrone was on TV this year yet Tyrone V Derry 1st round wasn't.

GAA games shouldn't be behind a paywall. I have actually changed my mind on this but if you see young children watching sport on TV it encourages them to go and play it. My son was mad to play Rugby after watching the 6nations, crazy for Tennis in July and is mad for GAA. Hurling & Football. And no amount of €s or £s will be able to replicate that. If children can't see, they can't aspire and if they can't aspire, they can't be.

Cricket and rugby league are suffering at youth level in England. Kids don't see the games on normal tv. At least RTE still show good amounts of GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
You must be well in getting 4 AI Final tickets  ::)

There's plenty around the same four of us went to the 2017 All Ireland Final also as well as both semis then and in 2018 - maybe you are one of these posting here no tickets whilst doing feck all to source one.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on August 07, 2019, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

You don't think there will be some disappointed fans this weekend not getting to the Dubs/Mayo match??!! What is a 'real fan' anyway??

I'm not able to get to as many games as used to or would like to with a young family but I help out with underage at the club and sell tickets when I can do I count as a real fan? Does someone who goes to every County match but doesn't bother with their club count??!!

I'd love to know the definition of a 'real fan'!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Money can't be used as an excuse for Sky (and I have no problem with Sky getting GAA rights) as the money offered by TV3 was virtually the same.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2019, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

You don't think there will be some disappointed fans this weekend not getting to the Dubs/Mayo match??!! What is a 'real fan' anyway??

I'm not able to get to as many games as used to or would like to with a young family but I help out with underage at the club and sell tickets when I can do I count as a real fan? Does someone who goes to every County match but doesn't bother with their club count??!!

I'd love to know the definition of a 'real fan'!

I would say someone who's interest isn't sparked in the summer by a bit of hype around their team, Dublin has a huge population granted but as none of their matches have been close to sell outs I'd say those with any real interest are catered for OK for this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 07, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2019, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

You don't think there will be some disappointed fans this weekend not getting to the Dubs/Mayo match??!! What is a 'real fan' anyway??

I'm not able to get to as many games as used to or would like to with a young family but I help out with underage at the club and sell tickets when I can do I count as a real fan? Does someone who goes to every County match but doesn't bother with their club count??!!

I'd love to know the definition of a 'real fan'!

If you go to games and don't belong to a club you can buy a season ticket.
There's always heaps of tickets.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 07, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2019, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2019, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 07, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
very interesting that joe and friends have nothing to say about the ticket fiasco currently going on for the semi finals. they'll bicker and whinge for weeks on end about the sky deal, but when it comes to real fans and club members and the like being shafted by the gaa you dont hear a peep out of them. because it has no effect on them. joe brolly and the likes really only care about themselves and their jobs.


Real fans your hole, this the the bandwagoners jumping on at this stage, I doubt any real fan will be denied a ticket.

I have never seen a real fan denied a ticket. For last years All Ireland final (Football) there was a heap of tickets.
The whole coverage of our games is a mess. Antrim V Tyrone was on TV this year yet Tyrone V Derry 1st round wasn't.

GAA games shouldn't be behind a paywall. I have actually changed my mind on this but if you see young children watching sport on TV it encourages them to go and play it. My son was mad to play Rugby after watching the 6nations, crazy for Tennis in July and is mad for GAA. Hurling & Football. And no amount of €s or £s will be able to replicate that. If children can't see, they can't aspire and if they can't aspire, they can't be.

Cricket and rugby league are suffering at youth level in England. Kids don't see the games on normal tv. At least RTE still show good amounts of GAA.

Rugby league was dying on its arse until Sky got the rights to show it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
You must be well in getting 4 AI Final tickets  ::)

There's plenty around the same four of us went to the 2017 All Ireland Final also as well as both semis then and in 2018 - maybe you are one of these posting here no tickets whilst doing feck all to source one.  ::)

It's just that I have no interest in paying big money to see other Counties' games.
I'd prefer to be one of the 50 at a Club game than be arsing around Croke Park when Ros aren't there.
Anyway Ros CB would only get around 200 AI tickets , if even that which nearly all go to CB officers, Club Chair and Sec and sponsors.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on August 07, 2019, 12:59:38 PM
Harte is wrong about  the free to air stuff
But he's right - the likes of Brolly are just using 'the old people's home as a way to get at sky'
They couldn't give a shit about old people in homes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Money can't be used as an excuse for Sky (and I have no problem with Sky getting GAA rights) as the money offered by TV3 was virtually the same.

Sky is available in 32 counties, TV3 only available in 26.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 07, 2019, 01:06:22 PM
Is TV3 not called Virgin Media 1 now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GJL on August 07, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Money can't be used as an excuse for Sky (and I have no problem with Sky getting GAA rights) as the money offered by TV3 was virtually the same.

Sky is available in 32 counties, TV3 only available in 26.

Sky is showing the games well beyond the 32 counties. As well the standard of pundits on sky is much superior RTE.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
You must be well in getting 4 AI Final tickets  ::)

There's plenty around the same four of us went to the 2017 All Ireland Final also as well as both semis then and in 2018 - maybe you are one of these posting here no tickets whilst doing feck all to source one.  ::)

It's just that I have no interest in paying big money to see other Counties' games.
I'd prefer to be one of the 50 at a Club game than be arsing around Croke Park when Ros aren't there.
Anyway Ros CB would only get around 200 AI tickets , if even that which nearly all go to CB officers, Club Chair and Sec and sponsors.

Fair enough - I think hurling at the top level is the best sport in the world and enjoy watching it, to me it puts football to the shade, I equally enjoying watching my kids play camogie or hurling at club level.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on August 07, 2019, 01:44:46 PM
Brolly coming across more and more like the stupid confident people he has been railing against of late.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on August 07, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Money can't be used as an excuse for Sky (and I have no problem with Sky getting GAA rights) as the money offered by TV3 was virtually the same.
I would rather that the GAA were taking the money off Sky / RTE / TG4 / Virgin 1 than from the fans at the gate. They are currently doing both.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Money can't be used as an excuse for Sky (and I have no problem with Sky getting GAA rights) as the money offered by TV3 was virtually the same.

Sky is available in 32 counties, TV3 only available in 26.

80 counties if you include the 48 in England!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 07, 2019, 04:38:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
Oh come on, all the money from the Sky deal works it's way back to the clubs.

How is this Sky money distributed back to the clubs and where is the evidence that this is the case?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 07, 2019, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
Oh come on, all the money from the Sky deal works it's way back to the clubs dubs.
Fixed that for ya there hardstation
Nonsense. There are struggling clubs all over the country who depend on this money. Indeed, selling all of the rights to our games to Sky will see our national games thrive at local level.
Exactly  Roughly what does Sky pay the GAA for that media package?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
GAA media rights about €11m per annum.
50% from Sky?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: delgany on August 07, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
On another point , why don't Harte and Brolly start a campaign for Sky to be provided by all  health care companies  , in residential / sheltered homes. They are not short of making a few pound from the state as it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on August 07, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 07, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
On another point , why don't Harte and Brolly start a campaign for Sky to be provided by all  health care companies  , in residential / sheltered homes. They are not short of making a few pound from the state as it is.

You could be onto something there, I'd say Brolly and Harte would have a big influence on Murdoch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
GAA media rights about €11m per annum.
50% from Sky?
The GAA earned €11.2m in 2015  from media rights, before that 2016 deal was made.
The most  generous estimate in the 2014 negotiations was that Sky paid €500k p/a over and above what TV3 offered.
I doubt that figure.
I wouldn't imagine there was much of that claimed €500k trickling out of the Pale into the coffers of distant rural clubs.
Afaic all this talk about SKY money being a bonus to clubs up and down the country is pie in the sky, a fallacy.

And that's before a discussion about Sky's paltry viewing figures.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: delgany on August 07, 2019, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 07, 2019, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 07, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 07, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
On another point , why don't Harte and Brolly start a campaign for Sky to be provided by all  health care companies  ,in residential / sheltered homes. They are not short of making a few pound from the state as it is.

You could be onto something there, I'd say Brolly and Harte would have a big influence on Murdoch.
None of the Murdoch family have any more involvement now with either Sky Ireland or Sky UK. Both are, since October last year, wholly owned subsidiaries of the American communications & media giant, Comcast.

The emphasis was on the health care providers here to provide Sky package , if you  read the thing correctly!! 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

Ballbag
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

Hopefully you don't have to sit and watch a parent dying who harks back to the old days watching gaa.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

Complete ballbag.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

Life will teach you kid, hopefully you have some compassion when it's at your door. Doubt it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 08, 2019, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

>:( >:(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 08, 2019, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

You absolute low life!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 08, 2019, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

That's the end of you on this board I'm afraid. Poor stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GJL on August 08, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Seen a clip on twitter last night of Tomas O'Shea and Joe Brolly analysing the Kerry v Meath game. Well actually it was Tomas analysing the game and Joe stuttering along with him. Was quite funny to see the lack of understanding Joe had in comparison to Tomas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 08, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Seen a clip on twitter last night of Tomas O'Shea and Joe Brolly analysing the Kerry v Meath game. Well actually it was Tomas analysing the game and Joe stuttering along with him. Was quite funny to see the lack of understanding Joe had in comparison to Tomas.

I like Tomás. He has a great understanding of the game. He'd really thrive on Sky alongside Canavan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.

Pathetic thing to come out with.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on August 08, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 08, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 08, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Seen a clip on twitter last night of Tomas O'Shea and Joe Brolly analysing the Kerry v Meath game. Well actually it was Tomas analysing the game and Joe stuttering along with him. Was quite funny to see the lack of understanding Joe had in comparison to Tomas.

I like Tomás. He has a great understanding of the game. He'd really thrive on Sky alongside Canavan.

Agree - would be a superb addition to the Sky team.

Still baffles me how Dick is still with Sky. Considering the quality they have I cant see what he brings apart from boring drivel
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on August 08, 2019, 11:51:48 AM
QuoteStill baffles me how Dick is still with Sky. Considering the quality they have I cant see what he brings apart from boring drivel

I'm almost certain he said last weekend "cometh the man, cometh the hour" realised he fucked up then just petered out mid sentence afterwards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 08, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
He is atrocious and his writing isn't much better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
I don't have Sky and haven't missed a game on Sky. Hospitals need to get more devious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
I don't have Sky and haven't missed a game on Sky. Hospitals need to get more devious.

Same as.

If worst comes to the worst it's £8 for a Now TV pass for the day. If you're in any way interested in your county team, £8 isn't a whole lot to ask.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 08, 2019, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
I don't have Sky and haven't missed a game on Sky. Hospitals need to get more devious.

Same as.

If worst comes to the worst it's £8 for a Now TV pass for the day. If you're in any way interested in your county team, £8 isn't a whole lot to ask.
**COUGH** It's £9 (ok, £8.99) and €10.
https://www.nowtv.com/watch-sky-sports-online
https://www.nowtv.com/ie/watch-sky-sports-online
Definitely an option if you've even a quarter decent broadband connection. Main limitation is that the screen resolution is limited to 720p but most probably won't notice or care. There's also discounted vouchers for various NowTV passes that come up on a regular basis that's worth keeping an eye out on, HUKD is probably the best place to spot them.

Incidentally, nordies can currently avail of an existing offer, of a 10 month Sky Sports pass being promoted for the upcoming English Premier League soccer season for £199. If you're into it and other Sky Sports fare then that's a great offer in my opinion at £20 a month. The mexicans will have to settle for a slightly less fabulous offer of a three month Sky Sports pass for €58.

Will that get you GAA on Sky next year plus National League games in Jan etc.?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2019, 12:09:00 AM
1) Get a day pass for €10
2) Charge €1 entry for the locals
3) Profit

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-fans-on-outside-looking-in-as-sky-sports-tv-deal-hits-home-940513.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on August 09, 2019, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
I don't have Sky and haven't missed a game on Sky. Hospitals need to get more devious.

Same as.

If worst comes to the worst it's £8 for a Now TV pass for the day. If you're in any way interested in your county team, £8 isn't a whole lot to ask.

It is cheaper than the tickets to the match!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on August 11, 2019, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2019, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
I don't have Sky and haven't missed a game on Sky. Hospitals need to get more devious.

Same as.

If worst comes to the worst it's £8 for a Now TV pass for the day. If you're in any way interested in your county team, £8 isn't a whole lot to ask.

It is cheaper than the tickets to the match!

Wonder how interested in the Gaelic football championship sky will be when their contract ends.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 11, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
very spiteful article today from brolly regarding the mayo team. it's one thing to analyse and even criticise their shortcomings in trying to win an all ireland, quite another to assassinate their character as men. it's really beyond belief what he gets away with saying about players playing an amateur sport who sacrifice a lot to do it. the extent to which he has poisoned the discourse around gaelic football is shocking
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Brolly is a bandwagon jumper. Goes on about Crossmaglen, Corofin, Dublin, Kilkenny etc. When these teams win, he tells us "sure didn't I always tell you they were great". And spouts on about how he watches them train, is privy to team talks and training, and is great chums with half the team. Then when those teams lose, silence.

An egotistical bullshitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on August 11, 2019, 02:30:37 PM
His reaction to Joanne Cantwell saying she would assume players from other counties would be available for charity functions if asked was Misogyny at its finest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: straightred on August 11, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 11, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
very spiteful article today from brolly regarding the mayo team. it's one thing to analyse and even criticise their shortcomings in trying to win an all ireland, quite another to assassinate their character as men. it's really beyond belief what he gets away with saying about players playing an amateur sport who sacrifice a lot to do it. the extent to which he has poisoned the discourse around gaelic football is shocking

Classless from Joe and no need for it. Always has to make the story about him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 11, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
very spiteful article today from brolly regarding the mayo team. it's one thing to analyse and even criticise their shortcomings in trying to win an all ireland, quite another to assassinate their character as men. it's really beyond belief what he gets away with saying about players playing an amateur sport who sacrifice a lot to do it. the extent to which he has poisoned the discourse around gaelic football is shocking

Those guys have come back time and again and despite that still had the conviction to try and go toe to toe with Dublin. They just weren't good enough but you couldn't question their character.

Joe's character was questioned by many Derry supporters when he was playing. Maybe Joe has a few pent up issues coming out to play here...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Halfquarter on August 11, 2019, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 11, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
very spiteful article today from brolly regarding the mayo team. it's one thing to analyse and even criticise their shortcomings in trying to win an all ireland, quite another to assassinate their character as men. it's really beyond belief what he gets away with saying about players playing an amateur sport who sacrifice a lot to do it. the extent to which he has poisoned the discourse around gaelic football is shocking

Joe is an out and out attention seeker, absolutely craves it,
Narcissists are often attention seekers. They consider this attention a good source of narcissistic supply and so they actively seek it.
A sustained pattern of attention seeking in adults is often associated with histrionic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder.

Ignore him like all the other WUM's you come across in everyday life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 11, 2019, 07:36:00 PM
it's just unbelievable that he gets away with it so much. from reading twitter it seems joe has some personal vendetta against the mayo players going back to when they ousted the management team from a few years ago, supposedly he has some direct connection to those two boys and now bears a grudge against the players for getting rid of them. imagine using a national newspaper to settle some personal scores and have a go at fellas who didn't get along with your mates for whatever reason. its astoundingly petty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Targetman on August 11, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
Wait until he does a number on Mickey Harte and the Tyrone team!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
I predict that Harte will get a few barbed comments from Brolly after yesterday's result. He really does allow personal grudges to influence his analysis way too much. This type of shock jock analysis has got gradually worse with some downright nasty vindictive comments. It is also very obvious that there isn't the same chemistry in the Sunday Game studio since Michael Lyster left, you only realize how good he was when he is gone.

Same happened with Dunphy and Giles after Bill left, they looked past their sell by date.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on August 11, 2019, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
I predict that Harte will get a few barbed comments from Brolly after yesterday's result. He really does allow personal grudges to influence his analysis way too much. This type of shock jock analysis has got gradually worse with some downright nasty vindictive comments. It is also very obvious that there isn't the same chemistry in the Sunday Game studio since Michael Lyster left, you only realize how good he was when he is gone.

Same happened with Dunphy and Giles after Bill left, they looked past their sell by date.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-boring-boring-tyrone-no-one-can-suck-the-life-out-of-a-sporting-occasion-quite-like-them-38393992.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2019, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
I predict that Harte will get a few barbed comments from Brolly after yesterday's result. He really does allow personal grudges to influence his analysis way too much. This type of shock jock analysis has got gradually worse with some downright nasty vindictive comments. It is also very obvious that there isn't the same chemistry in the Sunday Game studio since Michael Lyster left, you only realize how good he was when he is gone.

Same happened with Dunphy and Giles after Bill left, they looked past their sell by date.
The difference is Cantwell actually challenges Brollys bullshit instead of letting it go completely unchecked.
Joe doesnt like it and it leads to some very awkward and uncomfortable TV at times.
Rte studio and commentary teams need a complete shake up.
Keep daragh maloney and tomas ose and get rid of pretty much all the rest
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2019, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
I predict that Harte will get a few barbed comments from Brolly after yesterday's result. He really does allow personal grudges to influence his analysis way too much. This type of shock jock analysis has got gradually worse with some downright nasty vindictive comments. It is also very obvious that there isn't the same chemistry in the Sunday Game studio since Michael Lyster left, you only realize how good he was when he is gone.

Same happened with Dunphy and Giles after Bill left, they looked past their sell by date.
The difference is Cantwell actually challenges Brollys bullshit instead of letting it go completely unchecked.
Joe doesnt like it and it leads to some very awkward and uncomfortable TV at times.
Rte studio and commentary teams need a complete shake up.
Keep daragh maloney and tomas ose and get rid of pretty much all the rest

Cantwell is like the strict teacher in school trying too hard to put manners on the unruly kid but Lyster could handle him effortlessly without being weak at the same time. She has been disappointing even when Brolly isn't on but Brolly must be a nightmare to have on the show in fairness.

Maloney is the best commentator but is a poor anchor and I agree that Tomas O'Se comes across as just about the best pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Spillane was out of his depth today with Rochford and McStay either side of him in the studio today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on August 11, 2019, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Spillane was out of his depth today with Rochford and McStay either side of him in the studio today.

The two Mayo boys have been on the front line. Spillage has been up in the glass box for 30 years
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2019, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
I predict that Harte will get a few barbed comments from Brolly after yesterday's result. He really does allow personal grudges to influence his analysis way too much. This type of shock jock analysis has got gradually worse with some downright nasty vindictive comments. It is also very obvious that there isn't the same chemistry in the Sunday Game studio since Michael Lyster left, you only realize how good he was when he is gone.

Same happened with Dunphy and Giles after Bill left, they looked past their sell by date.
The difference is Cantwell actually challenges Brollys bullshit instead of letting it go completely unchecked.
Joe doesnt like it and it leads to some very awkward and uncomfortable TV at times.
Rte studio and commentary teams need a complete shake up.
Keep daragh maloney and tomas ose and get rid of pretty much all the rest

Narcissistic, egotistical know-it-all's don't like being challenged.

A total shake up needed. Brolly and Canning should be first and second out the door.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: laceer on August 11, 2019, 10:05:38 PM
Cavanagh has an awful shiney head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Spillane was out of his depth today with Rochford and McStay either side of him in the studio today.

He was the only one who called it right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Spillane was out of his depth today with Rochford and McStay either side of him in the studio today.

He was the only one who called it right.

Kerryman backs Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Targetman on August 11, 2019, 10:37:23 PM
I'd be happy if they'd just give Dessie Dolan his P45, the stuff that man comes out with is brutal!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Dessie v Dick, who would come out on top. I can't call it, both equally as bad as each other.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
I'd take Dessie over Clerkin any day of the week. Clerkin is a useless gobshite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Dessie v Dick, who would come out on top. I can't call it, both equally as bad as each other.

Don't know if it was RTEs dodgy editing for the Sunday game but dessie said Tyrone had 7 shots from 9 attacks or something to that effect, when they had 0-8 in the board.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Dessie v Dick, who would come out on top. I can't call it, both equally as bad as each other.

Don't know if it was RTEs dodgy editing for the Sunday game but dessie said Tyrone had 7 shots from 9 attacks or something to that effect, when they had 0-8 in the board.

Or maybe it was last 9 attacks, didn't say 7 scores.  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Final will probably be O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly I presume?

They'll probably get the 'big gig'.  I wonder how this panel is decided anyway?

Start of Match of the Day last night - Shearer and Wright on it.  They always seem to get the big games also.

A good refurb of both shows would do no harm. 

I listened to the Marty Squad after game.  Bit of discussion of game from 'legends' of the game.  Personally I'd love a radio phone in show after games - national league and championship.   Be more interesting and enjoyed than listening to the legends of the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gallsman on August 12, 2019, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Final will probably be O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly I presume?

They'll probably get the 'big gig'.  I wonder how this panel is decided anyway?

Start of Match of the Day last night - Shearer and Wright on it.  They always seem to get the big games also.

A good refurb of both shows would do no harm. 

I listened to the Marty Squad after game.  Bit of discussion of game from 'legends' of the game.  Personally I'd love a radio phone in show after games - national league and championship.   Be more interesting and enjoyed than listening to the legends of the game.

Can't remember the name of the show but we'd always be glued to Radio Eireann on the way back up the road after matches. First time I ever heard of George Him he was filling in on it and it prepared me for how much of a prat he was
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 09:50:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Final will probably be O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly I presume?

They'll probably get the 'big gig'.  I wonder how this panel is decided anyway?

Start of Match of the Day last night - Shearer and Wright on it.  They always seem to get the big games also.

A good refurb of both shows would do no harm. 

I listened to the Marty Squad after game.  Bit of discussion of game from 'legends' of the game. Personally I'd love a radio phone in show after games - national league and championship.   Be more interesting and enjoyed than listening to the legends of the game.

Agree here, similar to talkSPORT after the soccer matches.  Sure, you would have some people ringing in who havent a clue but would make for good drivetime radio after the match
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sportacus on August 12, 2019, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 09:50:25 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Final will probably be O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly I presume?

They'll probably get the 'big gig'.  I wonder how this panel is decided anyway?

Start of Match of the Day last night - Shearer and Wright on it.  They always seem to get the big games also.

A good refurb of both shows would do no harm. 

I listened to the Marty Squad after game.  Bit of discussion of game from 'legends' of the game. Personally I'd love a radio phone in show after games - national league and championship.   Be more interesting and enjoyed than listening to the legends of the game.

Agree here, similar to talkSPORT after the soccer matches.  Sure, you would have some people ringing in who havent a clue but would make for good drivetime radio after the match
By the time Marty works out which Parish the caller is from, what the weather is like and if he can recall being there years ago, it really would be a long drawn out affair.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Dessie v Dick, who would come out on top. I can't call it, both equally as bad as each other.

Don't know if it was RTEs dodgy editing for the Sunday game but dessie said Tyrone had 7 shots from 9 attacks or something to that effect, when they had 0-8 in the board.

Nope that was during the game also. He said 7 scores from 8 shots when they had scored 0-8
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 10:04:59 AM
Sean O"Shea using his great experience even though he's played senior football for about 2 years lol.  I think Dick Clerkin may even be a better co commentator than him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Dessie v Dick, who would come out on top. I can't call it, both equally as bad as each other.

Don't know if it was RTEs dodgy editing for the Sunday game but dessie said Tyrone had 7 shots from 9 attacks or something to that effect, when they had 0-8 in the board.

Nope that was during the game also. He said 7 scores from 8 shots when they had scored 0-8
Tomas O'Se had a good one about the Dubs third quarter performance on Saturday.

"They had 14 attacks, which ended up with 12 shots and 10 scores.
That's 90% efficiency and they were only at 55% in the first half!"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 10:04:59 AM
Sean O"Shea using his great experience even though he's played senior football for about 2 years lol.  I think Dick Clerkin may even be a better co commentator than him.
Don't understand the vitriol towards commentators. They have a difficult job having to quickly assimilate information in a pressurised situation and articulate it well, it's even more difficult for co-commentators who don't have a journalistic background and training.
In the studio, Some of the more experienced pundits and commentators at times sound out of touch with the modern game but in the main they all contribute positively to the experience . On the other hand, Joe brolly's personalised comments,  conduct and lack of respect to others especially towards Joanne Cantwell has no place in national TV in the modern era, it's increasingly embarrassing . Since he appears to have little self awareness or insight into his behaviour , the other pundits need to call him out rather than leaving it to Joanne , who appears isolated in trying to correct him. To use a political analogy , Much as I have issues re Sky lack of accessibility to all, and the minimal coverage of our games by the BBC , comparing RTE's Joe-centric puerile nonsense to the quality analysis of Mcconville, Clarke, Donaghy, Canavan,  Reminds me of comparing Jamie Bryson to Naomi Long . Naomi's intelligent measured and insightful analysis is too often drowned out by Jamie Bryson's populist , one-sided soundbites
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
Yeah Dolan is harmless to be fair. He's basically the Michael Owen of GAA commentary lol. Brolly is just a fairly poisonous individual. The rest I wouldn't get too worked up about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2019, 12:00:28 PM
Dessie seems like a sound fellow but it is just his co-commentary that is hard enough to listen to.

Brolly thinks he is an authority on everything and can say whatever he wants and get away with it. As the media has become saturated with ex players all giving their tuppence worth Brolly has got progressively worse, perhaps he is frustrated since RTE no longer have a complete monopoly on punditry due to the advent of podcasts, radio shows and multiple TV stations.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 12, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
agreed. I think he sees other former players and pundits as a threat especially because he lacks deep tactical insight into the modern game so his go to method to stay relevant is to get personal with players and make sickeningly lame attempts at courting controversy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 10:52:49 PM
What's Brolly on about certain Mayo lads good fballers but not good men, who or what's he smoking? I only remember too well, too many days when he went missing on a good Derry team when they needed him for the hard yards and it was left to Downey and Tohill to carry the load as he went into hiding all too many days when it mattered. He can't question any Mayo player about not putting in the hard yards when he never done so himself and went awol when needed most. In away similar to what he accused  Cooper of, in big games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gallsman on August 13, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
The question is rather what are you smoking, as you've either not read the article fully or because you've completely misunderstood the point he is, controversially, trying to make.

He's not questioning their commitment as footballers. He's referring to a mercenary element within the mayo panel who have knifed two management teams in the last few years. He may not be unbiased but he's not wrong about some of the power struggles that have gone on in mayo and how they have held the team back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballinaman on August 13, 2019, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 13, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
The question is rather what are you smoking, as you've either not read the article fully or because you've completely misunderstood the point he is, controversially, trying to make.

He's not questioning their commitment as footballers. He's referring to a mercenary element within the mayo panel who have knifed two management teams in the last few years. He may not be unbiased but he's not wrong about some of the power struggles that have gone on in mayo and how they have held the team back.
In what sense ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 13, 2019, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 13, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
The question is rather what are you smoking, as you've either not read the article fully or because you've completely misunderstood the point he is, controversially, trying to make.

He's not questioning their commitment as footballers. He's referring to a mercenary element within the mayo panel who have knifed two management teams in the last few years. He may not be unbiased but he's not wrong about some of the power struggles that have gone on in mayo and how they have held the team back.
But he is questioning their commitment to the cause! According to Brolly, some of them are not men but he fails to elaborate in this or mention the individuals he thinks are mercenaries or indicate the number involved.
but doesn't  go into detail to explain what he meant with his catchall insinuations and unproven allegations. Ergo,the whole Goddamn lot are not 100% committed to Mayo's cause.You may have attended a different school of logic than I did but I fail to see how any reasonable person will arrive at a different conclusion than I have.
Furthermore,he's wrong about Stephen Rochford's departure.
A number of influential backers put it to the County Board that they were not prepared to provide further sponshorship as long as he remained in charge.
If Brolly had bothered to do some research before he shot his mouth off,he'd have found that what I am telling you is well-known in Mayo- it was mentioned here some time ago.
It was also fairly well-documented that the players after having a meeting where they decided to get rid of Holmes and Connelly did not go public as they did not want to embarrass or humiliate either. They approached the County Board and told the officers of their decision and someone leaked this to the media.
It left H&C with no option but to stand down. Everyone involved got hurt in the process. What the players intended doing was to give their managers a chance to step down with dignity, citing pressures of work or family commitments or whatever. Again, this was fairly common knowledge at the time of the meeting and the result.Tommy Conlon in the Sindo covered this quite well and what he has found out was there for Brolly if he wanted to be an objective commentator.
If that wasn't bad enough, he let fly with an off the wall allegation that players were drafting James Horan's resignation letter but , once again, he failed to back this up in any way.
I have a strong dislike for Brolly and the reason goes back to an Ulster final where Monaghan were playing. Brolly was co-commentating . Tommy Freeman, Monaghan's ace forward works as a roofer and the week before the final he had an accident at work where he put a nail tough his hand. He still played with a heavily strapped hand and Brolly couldn't stop passing snide remarks and found it very funny that Monaghan's free taker couldn't stick a Hilti nail in a sheet of felt, never mind converting a free.
He kept the wisecracks going right up to the end and tried to involve O'Rourke and Carney ( I think) but neither responded at any time.
In my humble opinion he is beneath  contempt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on August 15, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on August 15, 2019, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

It was indeed. Not the posters fault if not everyone could follow what was written
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
Most young lads aren't able to read/comprehend more than about 5 lines of text due to txt spk twitter etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on August 15, 2019, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 15, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

+1

Me too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
Most young lads aren't able to read/comprehend more than about 5 lines of text due to txt spk twitter etc.

This lad was being a KNOB and he knows it.  Had he started the thread he would have had it locked by now.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

definitely interesting. going by twitter it appears joe has some undisclosed interest in what's going on with the mayo squad that is driving this latest vendetta. he refuses to respond to anyone who asks him about it and just keeps doubling down on the story about them getting rid of the management. it seems theres way more to the story than meets the eye and brolly has some personal involvement that he doesn't want to discuss publicly. wouldn't be surprised if his latest tirade hasn't anything to do with management heaves at all and more because aidan oshea or someone wouldn't talk to him at a party or some such. incredible that a national newspaper and more pertinently the national broadcaster are paying him to stage what is looking increasingly more like a personal crusade against amateur players over something that happened privately between them. why are his personal grudges being given this kind of airtime
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on August 15, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
People pay far too much attention to him.

Some Tyronie on recent thread said (in the context of Stephen O'Brien's black card) that there was a national tirade when Cavanaugh took down McManus that time.

There was no national tirade. Joe had a meltdown. All you should do is laugh at him. Every other person who knows anything about GAA said they would have done exactly the same thing! Only Joe was outraged. Let him be outraged, but don't turn it into a national copycat event!

There are differing opinions on Holmes-Connelly. Not all, but the majority of the Mayo lads thought it was right for them to go, and that they'd got the job in the first place in dubious circumstances. So as a neutral I'd go with that, rather than any nonsense Joe spurts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

definitely interesting. going by twitter it appears joe has some undisclosed interest in what's going on with the mayo squad that is driving this latest vendetta. he refuses to respond to anyone who asks him about it and just keeps doubling down on the story about them getting rid of the management. it seems theres way more to the story than meets the eye and brolly has some personal involvement that he doesn't want to discuss publicly. wouldn't be surprised if his latest tirade hasn't anything to do with management heaves at all and more because aidan oshea or someone wouldn't talk to him at a party or some such. incredible that a national newspaper and more pertinently the national broadcaster are paying him to stage what is looking increasingly more like a personal crusade against amateur players over something that happened privately between them. why are his personal grudges being given this kind of airtime

Hmmm now that you say it, Brolly's current woman was involved with the management team in some form or other for that year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

definitely interesting. going by twitter it appears joe has some undisclosed interest in what's going on with the mayo squad that is driving this latest vendetta. he refuses to respond to anyone who asks him about it and just keeps doubling down on the story about them getting rid of the management. it seems theres way more to the story than meets the eye and brolly has some personal involvement that he doesn't want to discuss publicly. wouldn't be surprised if his latest tirade hasn't anything to do with management heaves at all and more because aidan oshea or someone wouldn't talk to him at a party or some such. incredible that a national newspaper and more pertinently the national broadcaster are paying him to stage what is looking increasingly more like a personal crusade against amateur players over something that happened privately between them. why are his personal grudges being given this kind of airtime

Hmmm now that you say it, Brolly's current woman was involved with the management team in some form or other for that year.

well the plot thickens. he's been asked several times now to clarify his own personal interest in the story and wont respond. theres something at the heart of it that he doesn't want people knowing about
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 04:36:42 PM
Brolly's head must be swelling knowing there's hundreds of pages with his name on the thread.

I wonder could we change the thread title to 'GAA Pundits' or something similar.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 15, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Crete Boom on August 15, 2019, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 PM
You should do speeches, in a home.

Does the home have sky?

The inference being it was so long winded and boring it would send one to sleep, so best being reclined to listen, your inference being?

How so? I managed to read it.

As someone not particularly well informed about the ins and outs of Mayo football  i personally thought it was a very well constructed and interesting post.

definitely interesting. going by twitter it appears joe has some undisclosed interest in what's going on with the mayo squad that is driving this latest vendetta. he refuses to respond to anyone who asks him about it and just keeps doubling down on the story about them getting rid of the management. it seems theres way more to the story than meets the eye and brolly has some personal involvement that he doesn't want to discuss publicly. wouldn't be surprised if his latest tirade hasn't anything to do with management heaves at all and more because aidan oshea or someone wouldn't talk to him at a party or some such. incredible that a national newspaper and more pertinently the national broadcaster are paying him to stage what is looking increasingly more like a personal crusade against amateur players over something that happened privately between them. why are his personal grudges being given this kind of airtime

Hmmm now that you say it, Brolly's current woman was involved with the management team in some form or other for that year.

Yep she was the logistics manager.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 15, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 15, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
People pay far too much attention to him.

Some Tyronie on recent thread said (in the context of Stephen O'Brien's black card) that there was a national tirade when Cavanaugh took down McManus that time.

There was no national tirade. Joe had a meltdown. All you should do is laugh at him. Every other person who knows anything about GAA said they would have done exactly the same thing! Only Joe was outraged. Let him be outraged, but don't turn it into a national copycat event!

There are differing opinions on Holmes-Connelly. Not all, but the majority of the Mayo lads thought it was right for them to go, and that they'd got the job in the first place in dubious circumstances. So as a neutral I'd go with that, rather than any nonsense Joe spurts.

They do and i do find it slightly humorous that some still don't realise that Joe the pundit on RTE or the columnist on the Indo is a long running gimmick.  Mayo are easy prey for him as anything he writes or says about them good or bad produces loads of viewers. Basically Joe is not as stupid as he acts and has his own audience in the palm of his hand.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 04:55:26 PM
And 332 pages on Gaaboard :(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 15, 2019, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 04:36:42 PM
Brolly's head must be swelling knowing there's hundreds of pages with his name on the thread.

I wonder could we change the thread title to 'GAA Pundits' or something similar.

Doesn't look possible as the OP has not been on the Board for a while.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Crete Boom on August 15, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 15, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 15, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
People pay far too much attention to him.

Some Tyronie on recent thread said (in the context of Stephen O'Brien's black card) that there was a national tirade when Cavanaugh took down McManus that time.

There was no national tirade. Joe had a meltdown. All you should do is laugh at him. Every other person who knows anything about GAA said they would have done exactly the same thing! Only Joe was outraged. Let him be outraged, but don't turn it into a national copycat event!

There are differing opinions on Holmes-Connelly. Not all, but the majority of the Mayo lads thought it was right for them to go, and that they'd got the job in the first place in dubious circumstances. So as a neutral I'd go with that, rather than any nonsense Joe spurts.

They do and i do find it slightly humorous that some still don't realise that Joe the pundit on RTE or the columnist on the Indo is a long running gimmick.  Mayo are easy prey for him as anything he writes or says about them good or bad produces loads of viewers. Basically Joe is not as stupid as he acts and has his own audience in the palm of his hand.

I think you give Joe too much credit and it is more a case of RTE and the Indo taking advantage of his fantansy ego as a "true gael" or "fíor gael" as a great Tyrone man once put it!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 15, 2019, 05:46:06 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 15, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 15, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 15, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
People pay far too much attention to him.

Some Tyronie on recent thread said (in the context of Stephen O'Brien's black card) that there was a national tirade when Cavanaugh took down McManus that time.

There was no national tirade. Joe had a meltdown. All you should do is laugh at him. Every other person who knows anything about GAA said they would have done exactly the same thing! Only Joe was outraged. Let him be outraged, but don't turn it into a national copycat event!

There are differing opinions on Holmes-Connelly. Not all, but the majority of the Mayo lads thought it was right for them to go, and that they'd got the job in the first place in dubious circumstances. So as a neutral I'd go with that, rather than any nonsense Joe spurts.

They do and i do find it slightly humorous that some still don't realise that Joe the pundit on RTE or the columnist on the Indo is a long running gimmick.  Mayo are easy prey for him as anything he writes or says about them good or bad produces loads of viewers. Basically Joe is not as stupid as he acts and has his own audience in the palm of his hand.

I think you give Joe too much credit and it is more a case of RTE and the Indo taking advantage of his fantansy ego as a "true gael" or "fíor gael" as a great Tyrone man once put it!!!

It was originally a gimmick created by RTE but those type of gimmicks don't last long and one has to give credit to Joe for giving it longevity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 06:53:36 PM
why should we give him credit? he's running down amateur players for his own ego and for the cash. theres nothing admirable or honourable about that. for a fella who likes claiming that other people have no integrity, he's lacking in a fair amount himself
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blast05 on August 15, 2019, 09:01:15 PM
Principle 2 of the Press Concil of Irelands Code of Practise:   

"Readers are entitled to expect that the content of the press reflects the best judgment of editors and writers and has not been inappropriately influenced by undisclosed interests "

http://www.presscouncil.ie/code-of-practice    (http://www.presscouncil.ie/code-of-practice)

In the context of what has been said about a logistics manager in a former Mayo mgmt setup and Brollys relationship with said person.... well, make your own judgement
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 15, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 06:53:36 PM
why should we give him credit? he's running down amateur players for his own ego and for the cash. theres nothing admirable or honourable about that. for a fella who likes claiming that other people have no integrity, he's lacking in a fair amount himself

This constant referring to amateur players by so many 'gaels" is a misty eyed nonsense. 

Anyone who plays for a county senior team in the modern era is far from being an 'amateur' player.  Virtually all are well looked after, all the necessary gear, food after training and games, all transport paid for and for quite a few jobs or job opportunities that would not be otherwise available. Yes, they put a lot into the time and effort required but there is a lot in return. Some can even make a good living on the back of being a county player without being actually paid for playing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2019, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 15, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 06:53:36 PM
why should we give him credit? he's running down amateur players for his own ego and for the cash. theres nothing admirable or honourable about that. for a fella who likes claiming that other people have no integrity, he's lacking in a fair amount himself

This constant referring to amateur players by so many 'gaels" is a misty eyed nonsense. 

Anyone who plays for a county senior team in the modern era is far from being an 'amateur' player.  Virtually all are well looked after, all the necessary gear, food after training and games, all transport paid for and for quite a few jobs or job opportunities that would not be otherwise available. Yes, they put a lot into the time and effort required but there is a lot in return. Some can even make a good living on the back of being a county player without being actually paid for playing.

Yes, but professionals they are not, demonstrably. Ergo, pramateurs, shamateurs, or something else?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 11:05:02 PM
they are not professionals. full stop. yes, there are perks that come with being an intercounty player, but they are not employees of the gaa. they are not earning great amounts of money that reflects the money they make for the organisation. therefore, they are not fair game for pundits in the same way an employee of liverpool or some such would be
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 17, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 11:05:02 PM
they are not professionals. full stop. yes, there are perks that come with being an intercounty player, but they are not employees of the gaa. they are not earning great amounts of money that reflects the money they make for the organisation. therefore, they are not fair game for pundits in the same way an employee of liverpool or some such would be

It's not necessarily just about the money although that is an element. It is as much about representation and responsibility.  When a player accepts selection and pulls on the jersey it carries a certain weight of responsibility as well as honour and benefits. A consequence is the criticism from pundits and supporters. Nothing to do with this misty eyed referral as being amateurs they are immune from punditry in the media or by followers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Get Brolly off the Sunday game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Get Brolly off the Sunday game.

I think he might have had a tin of red bull there alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 01, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Get Brolly off the Sunday game.

He is better than the host.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MoChara on September 01, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Christ he's making an awful dick of himself
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 01, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: MoChara on September 01, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Christ he's making an awful dick of himself

Had to switch over to SKY because of him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Halfquarter on September 01, 2019, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Get Brolly off the Sunday game.

He's all over Pat Spillane, pawing him at every opportunity.

He keeps talking over everybody so nobody can hear anything, I don't know why Joanne Cantrell
wont tell him to shut up. Thats where the 'mute' button comes in handy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: chrissears on September 01, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
He is the reason I watch sky coverage instead, he is useless
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2019, 11:05:43 AM
I'm really struggling to understand why RTE keep him. I know the old saying no publicity is bad publicity but anyone I've spoken with since the game yesterday has mentioned how bad Brolly is. Do RTE just keep putting their head in the sand? I actually think he's getting worse. At the start I found him more of an annoyance but now he would actually make you turn over to Sky. Surely RTE see this? The analysis of the Cooper Clifford incident was ridiculous.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
His comment about Gough and the propaganda was bang out of order. He should be made apologise for it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2019, 11:12:48 AM
Hear him saying to Spillane in the pre-game coverage 'stop touching me'. Pathetic from a grown man. Analysis was shambolic at ht.

I thought him to be an irritant more than anything else previously,  but he was disgraceful yesterday. RTE have to bite the bullet and shuffle him off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2019, 11:13:50 AM
Also when he doesn't like what Spillane says he just puts his hand on his arm to try and shut him up so is one to talk about touching lol.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2019, 11:14:57 AM
It's his butting in, talking over people and making it all about him, that annoys me. That was the worst I seen him yesterday. Like a child trying to gain attention at another child's birthday party.

I find the other pundits race through their analysis, to say what they want to say quickly before the spoilt brat butts in and disrupts their flow.

If I had Sky, I'd be watching it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on September 02, 2019, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 01, 2019, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 01, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Get Brolly off the Sunday game.

He's all over Pat Spillane, pawing him at every opportunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efe2yPRmiOI
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on September 04, 2019, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2019, 11:12:48 AM
Hear him saying to Spillane in the pre-game coverage 'stop touching me'. Pathetic from a grown man. Analysis was shambolic at ht.

I thought him to be an irritant more than anything else previously,  but he was disgraceful yesterday. RTE have to bite the bullet and shuffle him off.

Agree completely. McBennett needs to shake up the TV coverage and the single biggest step forward they can make is removing Brolly. He just uses it as a self promotion tool and a forum to settle scores with people he deems to be wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The PRO on September 06, 2019, 05:26:45 PM
I've heard a great rumour (don't know how true it is) that when Brolly rang Gough to "apologise" this week, that when Gough answered the phone and Brolly introduced himself, Gough replied with "Sorry, who are you?"...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
Maybe time to delete this thread and nobody comment on him from now on!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on September 06, 2019, 09:20:32 PM
Quote from: The PRO on September 06, 2019, 05:26:45 PM
I've heard a great rumour (don't know how true it is) that when Brolly rang Gough to "apologise" this week, that when Gough answered the phone and Brolly introduced himself, Gough replied with "Sorry, who are you?"...

I hope that's true
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 07, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
Still no word from him about Rory Gallagher being appointed as Derry manager after all he has had to say about Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 07, 2019, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 07, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
Still no word from him about Rory Gallagher being appointed as Derry manager after all he has had to say about Fermanagh.

That's a good point actually. Youd think he'd be all over it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
He must have been on the appointment panel as per rumour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 09, 2019, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
He must have been on the appointment panel as per rumour.

The appointments panel hardly mattered though when there was only one candidate there for the job??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 09, 2019, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
He must have been on the appointment panel as per rumour.

The appointments panel hardly mattered though when there was only one candidate there for the job??

One candidate in the end....but sure was there not 4 or 5 names in for it from day one? It's just they obviously didn't stand a chance when allegedly one of the men wanted it was sounded out about coming into a Gallagher management team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 09, 2019, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 09, 2019, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
He must have been on the appointment panel as per rumour.

The appointments panel hardly mattered though when there was only one candidate there for the job??

One candidate in the end....but sure was there not 4 or 5 names in for it from day one? It's just they obviously didn't stand a chance when allegedly one of the men wanted it was sounded out about coming into a Gallagher management team.

Yeah but I don't think the appointment panel actually go to meet any of the other candidates they all pulled out before the interview stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 09, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
Given the supposed disinterest from clubs and club players towards the county team in Derry, maybe  Gallagher was left unopposed to get the gig.

I mean, if Gallagher continues with his Fermanagh-like tactics, sure the clubs and club players might say, to hell with that, I'm not participating in that shite. I'm sticking to club football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hoof Hearted on September 09, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 09, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
Given the supposed disinterest from clubs and club players towards the county team in Derry, maybe  Gallagher was left unopposed to get the gig.

I mean, if Gallagher continues with his Fermanagh-like tactics, sure the clubs and club players might say, to hell with that, I'm not participating in that shite. I'm sticking to club football.

Most have that attitude anyway no matter who's in charge
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
Apparently Joe has been dropped by RTÉ for the AI final replay live programme.

Can't imagine that he will take too kindly to this apparent snub. Could this be the start of the phasing out process.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on September 09, 2019, 10:52:34 PM
Don't tease
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
It's like Jim Gavin dropping Brian Fenton for the replay.

Nobody seen it coming but his reaction could dictate whether he has come to the end of the road under McBennett.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 09, 2019, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
It's like Jim Gavin dropping Brian Fenton for the replay.

Nobody seen it coming but his reaction could dictate whether he has come to the end of the road under McBennett.

It really isn't
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 09, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
Rochford coming in as sub.

I'm glad about that. At least now the analysis will be watchable. Even if Spillane or Whelan is there. Brolly just ruins every feckin' show he's on.

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for Narcissist Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 09, 2019, 11:33:02 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1uz7g5.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2019, 07:48:11 AM
Fantastic news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on September 10, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
Spillane next please.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
With a few days to the final replay, Joe will be getting the texts from players letting him know how the build-up is going.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on September 10, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.

Complete and utter disgrace!! No reason why he should be dropped, great pundit and this decision will be regretted down the line no doubt!

Sorry to see you're so upset Mrs. Brolly or is this Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 10, 2019, 11:19:24 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
With a few days to the final replay, Joe will be getting the texts from players letting him know how the build-up is going.

"I was talking to one of the Dublin players mid week, you know?" *Goes on to make an outrageous claim*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 10, 2019, 11:37:38 AM
It's the end of the GAA as we know it ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 10, 2019, 11:40:32 AM
He's good value, some days he's just too in your face. I don't like him interrupting other people but that's the barrister in him I suppose.

That said, in person he's a very different person to what he puts on television.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on September 10, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
He's a nasty little p***k, good riddance. Hope he's kept off the airwaves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.

Complete and utter disgrace!! No reason why he should be dropped, great pundit and this decision will be regretted down the line no doubt!

Agree, be no surprise if host had an input - unable to debate - just shouts Joe down time and time again, only reason she is there is because she is a woman.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2019, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage

No, i agree, he is good value and people tune in just for him. RTE have slipped up, wouldnt surprise me if Sky or BBC have him poached by tomorrow morning.

He'd be way out of his depth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 10, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage

No, i agree, he is good value and people tune in just for him. RTE have slipped up, wouldnt surprise me if Sky or BBC have him poached by tomorrow morning.
Neither would touch him. Tho I'm sure they will be gutted if RTE have axed him. No better advert for Sky than Brolly being on RTE.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 10, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage

No, i agree, he is good value and people tune in just for him. RTE have slipped up, wouldnt surprise me if Sky or BBC have him poached by tomorrow morning.
Neither would touch him. Tho I'm sure they will be gutted if RTE have axed him. No better advert for Sky than Brolly being on RTE.

Get big Sean on with his gucci suits, talking about our Colm, there are worse than Brolly on Sunday Game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 10, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 10, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage

No, i agree, he is good value and people tune in just for him. RTE have slipped up, wouldnt surprise me if Sky or BBC have him poached by tomorrow morning.
Neither would touch him. Tho I'm sure they will be gutted if RTE have axed him. No better advert for Sky than Brolly being on RTE.

Get big Sean on with his gucci suits, talking about our Colm, there are worse than Brolly on Sunday Game.

I'm sure once this is translated into English, Sean and Colm will be deeply offended.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheOptimist on September 10, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.

Complete and utter disgrace!! No reason why he should be dropped, great pundit and this decision will be regretted down the line no doubt!

Agree, be no surprise if host had an input - unable to debate - just shouts Joe down time and time again, only reason she is there is because she is a woman.

You might be trolling, but enough of that sh1t. She is a former intercounty player with a long and varied career in sports journalism. Joanne has as much right as any man or woman to be in the job.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 10, 2019, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
Apparently Joe has been dropped by RTÉ for the AI final replay live programme.

Can’t imagine that he will take too kindly to this apparent snub. Could this be the start of the phasing out process.

Great news and hopefully he's dropped long term. I see he had to apologise to David Gough and had to admit he was wrong on his view on the Kerry penalty and Cooper sending off.  A humbling experience all round for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 10, 2019, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 10, 2019, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
Apparently Joe has been dropped by RTÉ for the AI final replay live programme.

Can't imagine that he will take too kindly to this apparent snub. Could this be the start of the phasing out process.

Great news and hopefully he's dropped long term. I see he had to apologise to David Gough and had to admit he was wrong on his view on the Kerry penalty and Cooper sending off.  A humbling experience all round for him.

For someone who has his name as Captain Obvious, i can only presume its a joke, because you are failing to see the obvious here, that its a mistake brolly was dropped.
Why is it a mistake?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 10, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 10, 2019, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 09, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
Apparently Joe has been dropped by RTÉ for the AI final replay live programme.

Can't imagine that he will take too kindly to this apparent snub. Could this be the start of the phasing out process.

Great news and hopefully he's dropped long term. I see he had to apologise to David Gough and had to admit he was wrong on his view on the Kerry penalty and Cooper sending off.  A humbling experience all round for him.

For someone who has his name as Captain Obvious, i can only presume its a joke, because you are failing to see the obvious here, that its a mistake brolly was dropped.

You are worse than those online bots that follows/supports Donald Trump  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 10, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

I really doubt at this stage

No, i agree, he is good value and people tune in just for him. RTE have slipped up, wouldnt surprise me if Sky or BBC have him poached by tomorrow morning.

I'm more than happy listening to Sidey, Oisin and Marty, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.

Totally agree. At least the others can say what they want without him cutting in and talking over them.

If I spot Brolly on TSG, it's "ah for fucks sake", and I usually mute it all. Yes, there's other analysts who have their faults, but none of them make me turn off completely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 10, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
I think in general people are just bored of the contrarian pundits. Dunphy started it, gone. Hook perfected it, gone. Fingers crossed Brolly goes the same way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 10, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.

Totally agree. At least the others can say what they want without him cutting in and talking over them.

If I spot Brolly on TSG, it's "ah for f**ks sake", and I usually mute it all. Yes, there's other analysts who have their faults, but none of them make me turn off completely.

Yeah I wouldn't listen to it. I did on the all ireland final and it was ridiculous. Doesn't know what a foul is and questions the referee's integrity on the back of it. That after questioning Cavanagh years ago and I'm sure he's done more with the likes of McGeeney and maybe more. If he's gone good riddance but I'd be surprised if this is the last of him even if what is said here is true.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 10, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
Brolly hasn't even made the subs bench.


RTÉ confirm All-Ireland football final punditry panels, Joe Brolly absent from line-up.

Live show: Pat Spillane, Ciaran Whelan, Stephen Rochford.

Radio: Alan Brogan, Conor McManus, Colm Cooper.

Nighttime show: Colm O'Rourke, Sean Cavanagh, Tomás Ó Sé.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 10, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
He's been hung out to dry over the Gough incident.

I'd imagine it's a sin bin and he'll be back for the new season. No big deal really.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on September 10, 2019, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 10, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.

Complete and utter disgrace!! No reason why he should be dropped, great pundit and this decision will be regretted down the line no doubt!

Sorry to see you're so upset Mrs. Brolly or is this Joe?

When the dust settles fella yous will all realise. His rants are explosive at times but you could listen to him talk and tell stories all day.
Complete mistake and disregard of gaelic games and what hes done for the sport to axe him from the panel.

I do agree with you in a sense and I think there is a platform for him, just not as a studio analyst for live games. Maybe journalism - an article a few days after games where he has a chance to reflect and review. Or maybe on the podcast circuit.

Anyway there's a good chance it's a once off due to a prior commitment so let's not pop the champagne bottles and play "ding dong the witch is dead" yet!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on September 10, 2019, 03:34:55 PM
He was a annoying throughout the coverage of drawn game. He raised his voice to Spillane to not interrupt him. Spillane probaly did it deliberately as Brolly always cut across people as if his point is the most important..

Saying that Whelan should probaly have been cut too. Trying to claim Cooper didn't pull Clifford was idiotic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on September 10, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 10, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 10, 2019, 09:58:21 AM
To Brolly
Goodbye and good luck
And if we never saw your face again
It would be soon enough.

Complete and utter disgrace!! No reason why he should be dropped, great pundit and this decision will be regretted down the line no doubt!

Agree, be no surprise if host had an input - unable to debate - just shouts Joe down time and time again, only reason she is there is because she is a woman.

You might be trolling, but enough of that sh1t. She is a former intercounty player with a long and varied career in sports journalism. Joanne has as much right as any man or woman to be in the job.

No-one is questioning her career but she is awful as the main host, if we have 25 years of that I hope sky get all the games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2019, 02:22:42 PM
Well, I'm not one to normally toot my own horn, but BEEP BEEP F*CKING BEEP!!  :D

I called Br*lly out years ago on this thread on being the narcissistic bullsh*tting cowardly pr*ck he is and though it's taken a while, it's good to see a lot more here finally getting it.

His value as a pundit/panel guest is close to zero these days from what I've seen here and elsewhere - ever since his rant on Sean Cavanagh a few years ago then any game on RTÉ he's on the panel for sees me tune elsewhere before the second half begins and also away after full time. Sunday game? Again, turn over or mute once the highlights are shown.

For those still hanging off him thinking he's some sort of character that people tune into to see, first most viewers tune into RTÉ to watch the game regardless of who's presenting, guests etc. TAM viewing figures from both All-Ireland finals bring shown on both RTÉ & Sky Sports simultaneously sees RTÉ win that ratings battle every time, the gap is not even funny. Secondly for the few eejits whom still think he "attracts viewers", this is perhaps the best conceptual art piece I can think of for that.

(https://marclevytoo.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/flies-on-shit-3.jpg)

P.S. Joanne Cantwell has worked hard to be where she is at the moment and has extensive sports journalism experience as well as her own past sporting endeavours. She's done reasonably well to step into Michael Lyster's shoes, which was going to be a tall ask for anyone whom was going to replace him. Those who say she only got the hosts job because of her gender, that says far more about them than it does about her.

Bowseywosey - gender pure and simple, awful awful host.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 10, 2019, 05:44:17 PM
Thou wretched, rash intruding fool farewell.

(For now at least)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Carbery on September 10, 2019, 05:48:14 PM
What a pity RTE couldn't have got three panellists from counties other than those participating, rather than two-thirds of them being from Dublin or Kerry.  A missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on September 10, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
There is not much love for Joe Brolly around after his demotion, I think many will be delighted to see him gone and will consider it long before time. I think that he has something different to offer rather than straight up coaching analysis which the casual viewer is not overly interested in. However his lack of social etiquette has got to the stage where he has become so much of an irritant in the studio interrupting guests and the host, that he has become dispensable in a tv studio format.     

His reaction will be interesting given the fact that he does not like to be challenged.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 10, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.

Totally agree. At least the others can say what they want without him cutting in and talking over them.

If I spot Brolly on TSG, it's "ah for f**ks sake", and I usually mute it all. Yes, there's other analysts who have their faults, but none of them make me turn off completely.

Yeah I wouldn't listen to it. I did on the all ireland final and it was ridiculous. Doesn't know what a foul is and questions the referee's integrity on the back of it. That after questioning Cavanagh years ago and I'm sure he's done more with the likes of McGeeney and maybe more. If he's gone good riddance but I'd be surprised if this is the last of him even if what is said here is true.

Well, I watched the AI final analysis only because it was the biggest game of the year. He ruined the whole experience, as the occasion was a wonderful spectre of Irish sport and culture, plus it was a great game. But he tainted the day for many I'd say.

But as you say, I doubt this is the last of him. I think RTE are just taking the heat out of the situation following his behaviour in the drawn match. Like Ant (Dec's mate), he'll be back next season when all has settled down, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Bowseywosey - gender pure and simple, awful awful host.
Didn't think it would take so little to prove my point, but there you go!  ;D ;D

Mediocrity knows no gender discrimination, but Allah forbid any aspiring sports journalist that doesn't have their own penis.

Proved what, I am stating facts same as Fiona Bruce getting question time pure awful but fits the modern narrative.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 07:05:18 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 10, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Bowseywosey - gender pure and simple, awful awful host.
Didn't think it would take so little to prove my point, but there you go!  ;D ;D

Mediocrity knows no gender discrimination, but Allah forbid any aspiring sports journalist that doesn't have their own penis.

Proved what, I am stating facts same as Fiona Bruce getting question time pure awful but fits the modern narrative.

Don't forget Doctor Who!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 10, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
Ah he will still do ok.  Don't worry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on September 10, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
The new RTE Guy Bennett seems to want more emphasis on analysis
Sky were light years ahead in this respect.
But bringing guys like Rochford in - a modern coach, who knows the game and tactics is so much more insightful than watching and listening to the same old tired rubbish from Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 10, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
I think we know his feelings on Gallagher now ... 😵😵
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on September 10, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 10, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
I think we know his feelings on Gallagher now ... 😵😵

Yeah saw that. It's very funny. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2019, 12:02:17 AM
ICYMI

https://twitter.com/murphysgloves/status/1171536133265788928?s=21
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 10, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.

Totally agree. At least the others can say what they want without him cutting in and talking over them.

If I spot Brolly on TSG, it's "ah for f**ks sake", and I usually mute it all. Yes, there's other analysts who have their faults, but none of them make me turn off completely.

Yeah I wouldn't listen to it. I did on the all ireland final and it was ridiculous. Doesn't know what a foul is and questions the referee's integrity on the back of it. That after questioning Cavanagh years ago and I'm sure he's done more with the likes of McGeeney and maybe more. If he's gone good riddance but I'd be surprised if this is the last of him even if what is said here is true.

Well, I watched the AI final analysis only because it was the biggest game of the year. He ruined the whole experience, as the occasion was a wonderful spectre of Irish sport and culture, plus it was a great game. But he tainted the day for many I'd say.

But as you say, I doubt this is the last of him. I think RTE are just taking the heat out of the situation following his behaviour in the drawn match. Like Ant (Dec's mate), he'll be back next season when all has settled down, unfortunately.

Ah Benny. Seriously?
He tainted the day for many Id say? He ruined the whole experience?

Jesus - he only gave a bit of analysis for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on September 11, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
As they say in Tyrone. Don't worry be happy..  8)
moral of the story don't give young Gough any auld Guff..RTE are ruthless hoors and will take you down..if he needs any advice contact Mi....
To be fair he's enough to be getting his teeth into with Rory Gallagher and the Donegal /Tyrone plantation into Derry football..
Despite it all The world would be less soluble without Joes input..the craic outweighs the negatives..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 11, 2019, 09:30:50 AM
His dig at Gough was personalised just like Cavanagh etc. Like someone else said I've no doubt he'll be back on there. His dig at Gough was made considerably worse by the fact that the cause of the dig was that he couldn't even recognise a blatant foul.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on September 11, 2019, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 10, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 10, 2019, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 10, 2019, 11:38:51 AM
Bar the odd bit of nonsense (Cooper didnt pull Clifford back) I definitely think he is worth having on the panel.

If RTE balls about they will lose him - there is no doubt he makes more people tune in that tune out.

Not a notion that's true at this stage, RTE have surely realised by now that people will watch their GAA coverage from sheer force of habit regardless of what the standard of it is.
Brolly getting the heave would do nothing but vastly improve their live match coverage and analysis.

Totally agree. At least the others can say what they want without him cutting in and talking over them.

If I spot Brolly on TSG, it's "ah for f**ks sake", and I usually mute it all. Yes, there's other analysts who have their faults, but none of them make me turn off completely.

Yeah I wouldn't listen to it. I did on the all ireland final and it was ridiculous. Doesn't know what a foul is and questions the referee's integrity on the back of it. That after questioning Cavanagh years ago and I'm sure he's done more with the likes of McGeeney and maybe more. If he's gone good riddance but I'd be surprised if this is the last of him even if what is said here is true.

Well, I watched the AI final analysis only because it was the biggest game of the year. He ruined the whole experience, as the occasion was a wonderful spectre of Irish sport and culture, plus it was a great game. But he tainted the day for many I'd say.

But as you say, I doubt this is the last of him. I think RTE are just taking the heat out of the situation following his behaviour in the drawn match. Like Ant (Dec's mate), he'll be back next season when all has settled down, unfortunately.

He's gone from RTE for good apparently.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on September 11, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
I for one wouldnt be happy at his exit from rte broadcasting.  I certainly dont always agree with what he says and of course he goes to far on occasion, but you know what, I'm drawn to hear his ramblings.  I get the Gaelic Life most weeks and the first article i want to read is his.  You cant say that about many other pundits.

Anyway, i'm sure he will land on his feet. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeremiah O on September 11, 2019, 09:55:06 AM
Today is a good day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 11, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
I for one wouldnt be happy at his exit from rte broadcasting.  I certainly dont always agree with what he says and of course he goes to far on occasion, but you know what, I'm drawn to hear his ramblings. I get the Gaelic Life most weeks and the first article i want to read is his.  You cant say that about many other pundits.

Anyway, i'm sure he will land on his feet.

It's the very last thing I read in it.

I'll be able to enjoy the replay now knowing he'll be nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2019, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 11, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
I for one wouldnt be happy at his exit from rte broadcasting.  I certainly dont always agree with what he says and of course he goes to far on occasion, but you know what, I'm drawn to hear his ramblings. I get the Gaelic Life most weeks and the first article i want to read is his.  You cant say that about many other pundits.

Anyway, i'm sure he will land on his feet.

It's the very last thing I read in it.

I'll be able to enjoy the replay now knowing he'll be nowhere to be seen.

His indo output is divisive, vindictive and mean spirited. If you aren't a 6 county culchie, you aren't really Irish. A load of me bollix.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on September 11, 2019, 11:37:20 AM
On a human level it's not right to take delight in someone getting the boot. But it's hard not to breath a sigh of relief that he's gone.

There was a time that I used to enjoy listening to him, because he was capable of both having the craic and doing some serious analysis. In the past 10 years or so, the analysis side of things became less and less important to him. The only thing he seems to care about is making sure he himself is the topic of conversation after every game.

His CONSTANT interrupting and talking over other panellists has become just unbearable. In the pre-match coverage there was one stage where Joanne Cantwell asked a direct question to Whelan, and no sooner had Ciaran started to utter his answer than Brolly was trying to butt in and talk over him, but Whelan wouldn't relent and continued to give his answer, and the more he tried to answer Joanne, the more frantic Joe became in his attempts to talk over him and make it about himself. It was just so needy and pathetic. And there's this nagging feeling that the constant interrupting is a premeditated tactic that he knows will get us talking about him.

It's all the more annoying when you compare the quality of analysis on Sky with the sort of tripe we get from Brolly. On Sky, Canavan and Donaghy bring a bit of craic but they also make the tactical battles easy to understand and they can read and explain what teams and individuals are trying to do and communicate it well. Meanwhile, over in the RTÉ studio, Brolly seems uninterested in discussing the actual game itself or the tactical battles. He's more interested in picking out a controversial moment like a foul and ranting & shouting people down about it for the following 10 minutes. That, or going on a rant about the latest rule change he's championing. In the early rounds of the championship, it seemed to be the norm that after every game was over, Brolly would talk about literally nothing of the game itself, and just use the whole time to promote his 'Paidi Ó'Sé Cup' idea.

And don't start me on his constant name-dropping of player/public figures. I stopped reading his columns because every one of them seems to include repeated references to who was texting him during the week, who he was sitting beside at the game, who he called in to see before the game yadda yadda yadda.

Ah rant over.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Snapchap, it's like you read my mind. Totally sums up everything about Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 11, 2019, 11:46:45 AM
I get all this above.

But if sooner listen to Joe ramble for 20 minutes than hear another word from Ciaran Whelan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on September 11, 2019, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Snapchap, it's like you read my mind. Totally sums up everything about Brolly.
Me also
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on September 11, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
I liked Brolly and still do. He's a great character, even if he was a bit of a **** in the heat of the moment at times. You need people like that to stop you from falling asleep listening to the colm o'rourkes, Ciaran whelans et al
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 11, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2019, 11:46:45 AM
I get all this above.

But if sooner listen to Joe ramble for 20 minutes than hear another word from Ciaran Whelan.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 11, 2019, 12:22:10 PM
For all his faults the worst thing he did was say Gough bought into the Kerry propaganda after rightly calling Cooper to task. He questioned the integrity of Gough and overstepped the mark.

He did that too with Sean Cavanagh and McGeeny. The interrupting you could just about live with but that kind of stuff is out of order.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
So everyone can agree that the Sky analysis is far superior to anything RTE produce right down to the screen Canavan uses etc.

With Brolly possibly gone can anyone tell me the reason to tune into RTE instead of Sky now?

RTE pre game/half time/post game analysis is still rubbish when Brolly isnt in the studio so they have a major problem there.

ORourke/Spillane/Whelan all offer zero insight.

If they are clearing Brolly they may go the whole hog as bar the controversy/craic Brolly created there is no other reason to tune in

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on September 11, 2019, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
So everyone can agree that the Sky analysis is far superior to anything RTE produce right down to the screen Canavan uses etc.

With Brolly possibly gone can anyone tell me the reason to tune into RTE instead of Sky now?

RTE pre game/half time/post game analysis is still rubbish when Brolly isnt in the studio so they have a major problem there.

ORourke/Spillane/Whelan all offer zero insight.

If they are clearing Brolly they may go the whole hog as bar the controversy/craic Brolly created there is no other reason to tune in

There's none.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 11, 2019, 12:38:44 PM
There's one.

You have to pay for sky.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 11, 2019, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
So everyone can agree that the Sky analysis is far superior to anything RTE produce right down to the screen Canavan uses etc.

With Brolly possibly gone can anyone tell me the reason to tune into RTE instead of Sky now?

RTE pre game/half time/post game analysis is still rubbish when Brolly isnt in the studio so they have a major problem there.

ORourke/Spillane/Whelan all offer zero insight.

If they are clearing Brolly they may go the whole hog as bar the controversy/craic Brolly created there is no other reason to tune in

There's none.

Agree.

It all well Bennett getting rid of him but the product is sub standard even when Brolly isnt on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on September 11, 2019, 12:41:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 11, 2019, 12:38:44 PM
There's one.

You have to pay for sky.

I'm forced to pay for RTE  And talk it might increase
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
What percentage of viewers want deep insight? Granted most on here do, because they have an above average interest in football. But there are a plethora of people out there who don't really care. They watch the game and some just want the pantomime that Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke provide.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
What percentage of viewers want deep insight? Granted most on here do, because they have an above average interest in football. But there are a plethora of people out there who don't really care. They watch the game and some just want the pantomime that Spillane and O'Rourke and anyone but Brolly provide.

Fixed that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on September 11, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
What percentage of viewers want deep insight? Granted most on here do, because they have an above average interest in football. But there are a plethora of people out there who don't really care. They watch the game and some just want the pantomime that Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke provide.

I think that is undoubtedly true. There is a common misconception that the majority of people tune into the coverage of a match to watch fancy diagrams, multiple camera angles and to be taught tactical analysis by pundits. Maybe some do but I think it is mostly the coaching anoraks who fall into this category. There will be a lot of these coach types who will be delighted that he is gone. I think there was room for a balance somewhere in between. Brolly was capable of analysing a match when he wanted to but he just had no interest in going down that road. 

Personally speaking i think Brolly had probably run his course, he was very entertaining for a while but as with everything his shelf life may well have passed now. He had become increasingly irritable and annoying which only became even more noticeable after Michael Lyster had left. He was like the disruptive schoolboy who the sub teacher just couldn't control any more. Apart from Tomas O'Se and O'Rourke, the lack of chemistry that he had with any of the other pundits was self evident. It probably suits both RTE and Brolly himself, since he might be actually best suited to a format like a podcast where his is the only voice and people can choose to either listen to it or not. That way if you don't like him you can easily avoid him.     
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2019, 01:54:44 PM
Just seen that RTE have apparently given him the boot permanently. Tough on him. There is a balance to be made between entertainment and what can be rather dry analysis.

I'd say Spillane and O'Rourke will be looking over their shoulder nervously. McBennett seems to be slowly clearing house of the older generation of pundits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
Yellowcard - Eamon Mailie interviewed him one on one regarding the situation in the north, Brexit, the troubles, etc... and he was actually quite good. He raised some interesting points and observations but he wasn't competing with anyone else or stealing their airtime, which he does on TSG. He was calm and clear in his speech and no old snide remarks or bluffing and blowing.

So maybe he'd be better suited to that, because he's totally unwatchable as a GAA pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on September 11, 2019, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2019, 01:54:44 PM
Just seen that RTE have apparently given him the boot permanently. Tough on him. There is a balance to be made between entertainment and what can be rather dry analysis.

I'd say Spillane and O'Rourke will be looking over their shoulder nervously. McBennett seems to be slowly clearing house of the older generation of pundits.

He's hardly worrying about where his next bite is coming from and it's only a sideline gig for him, hardly the end of his world.

Every dog has his day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 02:15:21 PM
RTE must have big plans up their sleeve otherwise the pre/halftime/post game will be like watching paint dry given who they currently have on the books.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sandy Hill on September 11, 2019, 02:43:18 PM
I have to say that I'm sorry to see Brolly get the heave. Yes, he infuriatingly interrupts and talks over others but I'm sure we all do when we're involved in conversations where we feel passionately about the issue on the table. I enjoy this liveliness that he brings to proceedings and, despite all this, he invariably brings some sensible analysis on the game being broadcast. I also like to listen to O'Rourke with his level headed opinion and Spillane is good betimes. Whelan, that wonderful on-field role model, is a pain in the ass and can't see beyond his Dubs who, incidentally,  I also admire although I'm hoping for a Kerry win on Saturday.

So for the AIF we'll have Spillane, Whelan and Cantwell, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ; please God we'll get another great game.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 11, 2019, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
What percentage of viewers want deep insight? Granted most on here do, because they have an above average interest in football. But there are a plethora of people out there who don't really care. They watch the game and some just want the pantomime that Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke provide.

I think that is undoubtedly true. There is a common misconception that the majority of people tune into the coverage of a match to watch fancy diagrams, multiple camera angles and to be taught tactical analysis by pundits. Maybe some do but I think it is mostly the coaching anoraks who fall into this category. There will be a lot of these coach types who will be delighted that he is gone. I think there was room for a balance somewhere in between. Brolly was capable of analysing a match when he wanted to but he just had no interest in going down that road. 

Personally speaking i think Brolly had probably run his course, he was very entertaining for a while but as with everything his shelf life may well have passed now. He had become increasingly irritable and annoying which only became even more noticeable after Michael Lyster had left. He was like the disruptive schoolboy who the sub teacher just couldn't control any more. Apart from Tomas O'Se and O'Rourke, the lack of chemistry that he had with any of the other pundits was self evident. It probably suits both RTE and Brolly himself, since he might be actually best suited to a format like a podcast where his is the only voice and people can choose to either listen to it or not. That way if you don't like him you can easily avoid him.   

For me he never showed any capabilities and i never found his routine in any way entertaining. RTE are right to pull the plug on this gimmick they more or less created themselves but that plug should have been pulled ages ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
There could be another option for RTE to break in wild Joe, that is to send him to therapy, a weekly intense session with a dominatrix, perhaps one who calls herself Mistress Cantwella.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: pbat on September 11, 2019, 03:16:21 PM
I would say RTE got pressure from Croke Park to get rid once he questioned Gough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
How is it known that he got the boot and didnt make the decision himself? and if its for good of short term.

Spillane id worse to Connolly, put him out of the game for nearly 2 years by character assassination, he should of got the boot.

Love him or loathe him, he will be a loss to RTE and the viwing public.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Low and Hard on September 11, 2019, 03:25:12 PM
Think RTE will regret this decision, he's the only pundit I turned the volume up for. Caused a stir and was good value, life's too short for Whelans & cavanaghs of this world.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Blowitupref on September 11, 2019, 03:37:55 PM
Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOt_LVpaam0


On his appointment as RTE's new head of sport last year, Declan McBennett said he wouldn't tolerate 'personal attacks' from pundits.

Joe Brolly had this to say in a recent interview.



"Declan McBennett raised the Marty Morrissey thing when he took over head of sport and he was right to be pissed off about it. "If Declan had been head of sport then, I'd probably have been gone. Declan's not a pushover, nor should he be.''

If he's gone now like its reported elsewhere, then it means Mr Brolly while understanding the situation he didn't heed the warning from the new head of sport.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 11, 2019, 03:48:29 PM
He's having a bit of a laugh about it on Twitter here anyway
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Glad that he's gone. I didn't think he added anything at all, no insight, no entertainment, nothing.

Time for Spillane and o'rourke to follow him out the door
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on September 11, 2019, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: thebuzz on September 10, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 10, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
I think we know his feelings on Gallagher now ... 😵😵

Yeah saw that. It's very funny. :) :) :)

What was that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on September 11, 2019, 04:01:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1171789283629424641

@JoeBrolly1993
If anyone has a spare ticket for the replay, I've just been let down..
10:15 AM · Sep 11, 2019
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on September 11, 2019, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Glad that he's gone. I didn't think he added anything at all, no insight, no entertainment, nothing.

Time for Spillane and o'rourke to follow him out the door

I'd agree with that. I'd throw Cavanagh and Whelan into that too. Borefest, despite Cavanagh trying his best to be controversial.  Dessie Dolan should be shown the door completely as well, especially for live commentary.

Tomás O'Sé is the best of whats left.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 11, 2019, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: dec on September 11, 2019, 04:01:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1171789283629424641

@JoeBrolly1993
If anyone has a spare ticket for the replay, I've just been let down..
10:15 AM · Sep 11, 2019

;D

Brilliant. At least he can laugh at himself.

Comments on Gough too far and if the head boyo doesn't want personal comments and he was warned then he had to go.

Agreed half the rest of them have to go too. Sky have shown them up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Glad that he's gone. I didn't think he added anything at all, no insight, no entertainment, nothing.

Time for Spillane and o'rourke to follow him out the door

+1

The three lads are 25 years out of the game as players. None have done anything serious in Management. The game they were involved in is light years away from what we have today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
Are there any pundits you want to keep??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: chrissears on September 11, 2019, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Glad that he's gone. I didn't think he added anything at all, no insight, no entertainment, nothing.

Time for Spillane and o'rourke to follow him out the door
I have to say I agree, they were good in their day but now its time to step down. Sky has better coverage at the moment.
+1

The three lads are 25 years out of the game as players. None have done anything serious in Management. The game they were involved in is light years away from what we have today.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 11, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Glad that he's gone. I didn't think he added anything at all, no insight, no entertainment, nothing.

Time for Spillane and o'rourke to follow him out the door

+1

The three lads are 25 years out of the game as players. None have done anything serious in Management. The game they were involved in is light years away from what we have today.
How many TSG viewers care though ?

"One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of crap."―Neil Postman
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on September 11, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
. Younger viewers would care anyway, as they wouldn't remember O Rourke winning All Irelands or Spillane.
Rochford is in the game and knows the scene.. They had Aaron Kernan a few years ago and he was good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: under the bar on September 11, 2019, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 11, 2019, 05:50:55 PM
Hearing that Br*lly's got the boot from RTÉ gives me a gives me a feeling similar to the one you get after you've spent a damn good 15 minutes on the toilet just letting it get all go, all re'd out! ☺️

Half time & post match analysis might actually be worth watching again.

If people are no longer going to watch RTÉ's football coverage because of this, then please do - the average viewer IQ will then go up several points. Their Hurling coverage doesn't need someone like Br*lly, nor does any station covering soccer, rugby, tennis, athletics, hockey etc. etc.

Rumours that he was sacked for slipping his Mickey into a Croke Park Apple Crumble while attempting to recreate for Joanne Cantwell  the famous scene from American Pie are adjudged to be well wide of the mark!!  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 11, 2019, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 11, 2019, 05:50:55 PM
Hearing that Br*lly's got the boot from RTÉ gives me a gives me a feeling similar to the one you get after you've spent a damn good 15 minutes on the toilet just letting it get all go, all re'd out! ☺️

Half time & post match analysis might actually be worth watching again.

If people are no longer going to watch RTÉ's football coverage because of this, then please do - the average viewer IQ will then go up several points. Their Hurling coverage doesn't need someone like Br*lly, nor does any station covering soccer, rugby, tennis, athletics, hockey etc. etc.
Oh dear, how bitter!
Some remedial work required on your spelling and grammar as well. Very difficult to decipher what you were saying in that first paragraph. Joe would not be impressed!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 11, 2019, 07:20:16 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-was-like-marmite-but-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-1.4014985
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on September 11, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
I think most of us, deep down, will miss him.

Thinking back uk last week's coverage, the odd thing was that Joe wasn't capable of analysing the match at half time. He seemed upset that Dublin weren't going to pull away. By the end of the match he was back to talking mostly sense.

Reminded me a little of my chain of emotions, when I place a hard earned 20 quid on something and know it's doomed long before the final outcome. 7 stages of grief and all that.

I wonder what stake a barrister must put down to get the same traumas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gmac on September 11, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Is he gone for good or just for this game ?
Listened to ten mins of podcast  that he did with Dunphy and he just couldn't  shut up and let him ask a question even to me that's his biggest problem and it's very annoying on tv or radio .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on September 11, 2019, 08:36:32 PM
His style is made for the club circuit, medal presentations and dinner dances. He won't have to compete for the limelight and he can do his shtick and a bit of name dropping for a willing audience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 11, 2019, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?

Joe is at the stage now where he can pick and choose when he wants to work.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Halfquarter on September 11, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?

Is he not employed by the PR department of the Dublin football team !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 11, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?

Is he not employed by the PR department of the Dublin football team !

Yes, he has done a great job brown nosing them!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
He offered nothing but controversy and soundbites for the last few years. If the sky deal has shown us anything it's that we don't have to put up with a class clown.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 10:57:23 PM
Joe wasn't all bad, who will we have to wind up the Tyronies on national tv??

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 11, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?

Is he not employed by the PR department of the Dublin football team !

Yes, he has done a great job brown nosing them!

Joe likes jumping on bandwagons. He's jumped on Corofin's, Crossmaglen's, Donegal's and now Dublin's. Narcissists will do that. They always have to be seen to be right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 11, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Does Joe not practice any law?

Is he not employed by the PR department of the Dublin football team !

Yes, he has done a great job brown nosing them!

Joe likes jumping on bandwagons. He's jumped on Corofin's, Crossmaglen's, Donegal's and now Dublin's. Narcissists will do that. They always have to be seen to be right.

Don't forget his Tyrone love in during 03-08.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 11, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 11, 2019, 07:23:02 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 11, 2019, 06:40:18 PM
Oh dear, how bitter!
Some remedial work required on your spelling and grammar as well. Very difficult to decipher what you were saying in that first paragraph. Joe would not be impressed!

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5idacgOsH1rwuopao3_400.gif)

I'm sure all the mouthbreathing throwbacks in evolution whom want to listen to the Dungiven sh*tehawk talk about the All-Ireland football final replay without him having to sit beside lesser beings whom have no appreciation for his immaculate genius will be able to hear it from a podcast recorded as-live from his own rectum on Saturday evening.

More bitterness but good to see the spelling and sentence constitution back on track. Well done.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 11, 2019, 10:57:23 PM
Joe wasn't all bad, who will we have to wind up the Tyronies on national tv??

With Pat Spillane and Colm o Rourke still on the air, I wouldn't worry, that's covered.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 12, 2019, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Don't forget his Tyrone love in during 03-08.
Yep. Worth retelling this. In the Ulster SFC first round tie vs. Derry in 2003 which ended in a draw, Br***y went to town on RTÉ after the match over Tyrone's performance and how they'll never win an All-Ireland etc. etc. Well as the replay was being held in Casement Park six days later, a few minutes before the team coach pulled into the ground, the telly at the front was switched on, the sound turned up, the play button pressed on the video player, and up came on the screen & speakers a clip of that diatribe from the previous weekend. That Tyrone team hammered seven shades of sh*te out of Derry in the replay, word got to back to Br***y about that clip played on the coach, and it ended up making sure he STFU concerning Tyrone for the rest of the decade other than trying to crawl up Mickey Harte's arse several times in public.  8)

Didn't hear that before, but I do recall that there was a tragic death close to the Derry camp and match was asked to be postponed. Heard it on good authority that a lot of the team were affected and that was a major factor in their below par performance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cadhlancian on September 12, 2019, 04:35:13 AM
Declan Batesons sister was killed the night before in a car crash I think , from Ballinderry .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 12, 2019, 10:42:18 AM
I was watching a YT clip of Dennis Skinner's (MP Bolsover) greatest hits - controversial contributions in session at  Westminister parliament. Whenever the caustic Dennis breached procedure (calling David Cameron "Dodgy Dave") the speaker would call on him to either retract or leave the house, invariably after a short statement of protest Dennis would leave the house in a dignified fashion.

Could we not have the same rules apply to the rte panel? whenever Joe would breach protocol, Joanne in a firm and resolute manner would call on him to depart the studio.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Better to not let him in in the first place.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 12, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
Joe Brolly has a hard on for himself that is hard to fathom. It has become his undoing. He believed in his own hype. Off he goes to the bullshit circuit with Rory's Stories and Kieran Donaghy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Antrim Coaster on September 12, 2019, 11:36:58 AM
Yep. Worth retelling this. In the Ulster SFC first round tie vs. Derry in 2003 which ended in a draw, Br***y went to town on RTÉ after the match over Tyrone's performance and how they'll never win an All-Ireland etc. etc. Well as the replay was being held in Casement Park six days later, a few minutes before the team coach pulled into the ground, the telly at the front was switched on, the sound turned up, the play button pressed on the video player, and up came on the screen & speakers a clip of that diatribe from the previous weekend. That Tyrone team hammered seven shades of sh*te out of Derry in the replay, word got to back to Br***y about that clip played on the coach, and it ended up making sure he STFU concerning Tyrone for the rest of the decade other than trying to crawl up Mickey Harte's arse several times in public.  8)
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Was that the time when he was half cut on camera at Casement Park?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheOptimist on September 12, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

I don't remember the draw. Where was it played. Did the minor match go to a draw also, as from memory that was postponed that day, or is my memory just sketchy?

The one thing i do remember about that day in Casement was Tyrone's diving. It was the first time we seen it in action and they won an All-Ireland doing it that year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on September 12, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

I don't remember the draw. Where was it played. Did the minor match go to a draw also, as from memory that was postponed that day, or is my memory just sketchy?

The one thing i do remember about that day in Casement was Tyrone's diving. It was the first time we seen it in action and they won an All-Ireland doing it that year.

Funny I remember Bradley whinging and yapping the whole match at the referee and Mickey Moran. We never saw much of him or Derry the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheOptimist on September 12, 2019, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on September 12, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

I don't remember the draw. Where was it played. Did the minor match go to a draw also, as from memory that was postponed that day, or is my memory just sketchy?

The one thing i do remember about that day in Casement was Tyrone's diving. It was the first time we seen it in action and they won an All-Ireland doing it that year.

Funny I remember Bradley whinging and yapping the whole match at the referee and Mickey Moran. We never saw much of him or Derry the rest of the year.

Yeah, because Tryrone were diving heures
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on September 12, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

A team with 5 all stars 'very limited' (Lockhart, McCloy, Muldoon, Tohill and Bradley), plus the likes of Fergal Doherty, Paul McFlynn, Niall McCusker and Kevin McGuckin. Ha I would love a Derry team this limited today. No doubt they were poor the second day but this was a very good Derry team.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 12, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

Was McCarron playing that day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 12, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Mario on September 12, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

A team with 5 all stars 'very limited' (Lockhart, McCloy, Muldoon, Tohill and Bradley), plus the likes of Fergal Doherty, Paul McFlynn, Niall McCusker and Kevin McGuckin. Ha I would love a Derry team this limited today. No doubt they were poor the second day but this was a very good Derry team.

Anthony Tohill was 43 years of age that day ffs. Lockhart and McGuckin good players. The rest very limited one dimensional footballers.

EDIT: Sorry, I love winding youse up but Enda Muldoon was a baller and could play in any team in any era. Even I would have to admit that wind up or not. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HiMucker on September 12, 2019, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Mario on September 12, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

A team with 5 all stars 'very limited' (Lockhart, McCloy, Muldoon, Tohill and Bradley), plus the likes of Fergal Doherty, Paul McFlynn, Niall McCusker and Kevin McGuckin. Ha I would love a Derry team this limited today. No doubt they were poor the second day but this was a very good Derry team.

Anthony Tohill was 43 years of age that day ffs. Lockhart and McGuckin good players. The rest very limited one dimensional footballers.

EDIT: Sorry, I love winding youse up but Enda Muldoon was a baller and could play in any team in any era. Even I would have to admit that wind up or not.
Aye he was 43  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on September 12, 2019, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: Mario on September 12, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

A team with 5 all stars 'very limited' (Lockhart, McCloy, Muldoon, Tohill and Bradley), plus the likes of Fergal Doherty, Paul McFlynn, Niall McCusker and Kevin McGuckin. Ha I would love a Derry team this limited today. No doubt they were poor the second day but this was a very good Derry team.

Your idea of a very good team and my idea are very different. This Derry team was that good it could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship from 2003 until 2011 and haven't done since until the present day. Like seriously? Maybe all the other teams in Ulster were just brilliant as well lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on September 12, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
Well 2 of the best teams of all time playing in ulster at that time so maybe you are right. Derry in the noughties had a good team they got to 2 All Ireland semis and won the national league but Tyrone and Armagh were stronger hence why they didn't win an ulster.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on September 12, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: Mario on September 12, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
Well 2 of the best teams of all time playing in ulster at that time so maybe you are right. Derry in the noughties had a good team they got to 2 All Ireland semis and won the national league but Tyrone and Armagh were stronger hence why they didn't win an ulster.

oh no, not letting you away as easily as that. I would love to hear how a your idea of a 'very good Derry team' couldn't put two championship wins together. Surely a good team could do that once, like Fermanagh did in 08?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 12, 2019, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Mario on September 12, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
Well 2 of the best teams of all time playing in ulster at that time so maybe you are right. Derry in the noughties had a good team they got to 2 All Ireland semis and won the national league but Tyrone and Armagh were stronger hence why they didn't win an ulster.

Derry were that good they didn't need to prove it and decided not to win any Ulsters or All Ireland's in the 00s.

Most of the teams in Ulster and Ireland were and still are stronger than Derry.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 12, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on September 12, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.

I don't remember the draw. Where was it played. Did the minor match go to a draw also, as from memory that was postponed that day, or is my memory just sketchy?

The one thing i do remember about that day in Casement was Tyrone's diving. It was the first time we seen it in action and they won an All-Ireland doing it that year.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

I am not privy to the candidates whom were interviewed, or whether she was chosen but she is an awful host who couldn't keep the analysis flowing with her constant interruptions.

As for your wee story, you impersonate Joe by name dropping bullshit, oh heard it from a player(unknown) and backroom team member (unknown) do you not see your hypocrisy?  Also you knew the backdrop of the tragedy but still used it to try and sell an anecdote to make you seem relevant - again just like Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on September 12, 2019, 11:36:58 AM
Yep. Worth retelling this. In the Ulster SFC first round tie vs. Derry in 2003 which ended in a draw, Br***y went to town on RTÉ after the match over Tyrone's performance and how they'll never win an All-Ireland etc. etc. Well as the replay was being held in Casement Park six days later, a few minutes before the team coach pulled into the ground, the telly at the front was switched on, the sound turned up, the play button pressed on the video player, and up came on the screen & speakers a clip of that diatribe from the previous weekend. That Tyrone team hammered seven shades of sh*te out of Derry in the replay, word got to back to Br***y about that clip played on the coach, and it ended up making sure he STFU concerning Tyrone for the rest of the decade other than trying to crawl up Mickey Harte's arse several times in public.  8)

Was that the time when he was half cut on camera at Casement Park?
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Yes. "Tyrone bas*****" I believe he said off air, but with the camera rolling. Imagine in any other walk of life someone continuing in a job for 16 years after saying this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 12, 2019, 05:53:57 PM
Half hour show on radio somewhere for him?

Brolly's Rants...Brantz?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 12, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
Officially he's still on the RTE panel isn't he. The twitter indignation/commentary should make them realize not to get rid of their 'diamond'.

It's overshadowed the replay build-up which shows his worth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2019, 06:43:39 PM
Quote
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 12, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on September 12, 2019, 11:36:58 AM
Yep. Worth retelling this. In the Ulster SFC first round tie vs. Derry in 2003 which ended in a draw, Br***y went to town on RTÉ after the match over Tyrone's performance and how they'll never win an All-Ireland etc. etc. Well as the replay was being held in Casement Park six days later, a few minutes before the team coach pulled into the ground, the telly at the front was switched on, the sound turned up, the play button pressed on the video player, and up came on the screen & speakers a clip of that diatribe from the previous weekend. That Tyrone team hammered seven shades of sh*te out of Derry in the replay, word got to back to Br***y about that clip played on the coach, and it ended up making sure he STFU concerning Tyrone for the rest of the decade other than trying to crawl up Mickey Harte's arse several times in public.  8)

Was that the time when he was half cut on camera at Casement Park?

Yes. "Tyrone bas*****" I believe he said off air, but with the camera rolling. Imagine in any other walk of life someone continuing in a job for 16 years after saying this.
The "Tyrone b**tards" clip was from the 2002 Tyrone-Derry Round 3 qualifier match at Casement Park. Brolly made the comments a few minutes before the broadcast started. That clip didn't emerge into the mainstream for years afterwards, a good 11 or 12 years at least I'd say.

I thought the comments were funny and made in a clearly light hearted way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 12, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 12, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
Officially he's still on the RTE panel isn't he. The twitter indignation/commentary should make them realize not to get rid of their 'diamond'.

It's overshadowed the replay build-up which shows his worth.

Read somewhere that Brolly is one of several long to medium term pundits whose contract expires this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on September 12, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.
Paddy Bradley had a great game in drawn game and Brolly pointed out in TSG after that the Tyrone defender should know to push him onto his right foot which was good advice for Tyrone. Bradley hardly touched the ball in replay. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 12, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 12, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 12, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on September 12, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
Fionntamhnach's own Red and White tinted glasses wouldn't let facts get in the way of a complete lie, and he laments about Brolly, Jesus wept.

I don't deal with "alternative facts" and I've a low tolerance for bullsh*tters no matter where in the world they are. Also you haven't said yet whom you thought should have taken up Michael Lyster's job either. 😉

For everyone else, the story of the clip being played on the coach was confirmed to me through both a player on the squad and also a member of the backroom team at the time. The bereavement mentioned by BennyCake likely proved to be a factor for that game, but is a separate incident in itself.

OK, I had a rule to myself to keep away from talking about the arsehole this thread is dedicated to for several years now (with one exception) and now he's been finally let go from RTÉ with many others here also sharing my view, I'm going to take that vow again. Because for narcissistic attention seekers, the worst thing is not being talked about by others. 🙊

Paddy Bradley had a great game the first day and carried what was a very limited Derry outfit. Roasted Mickey McGee. A certain Dromore man got the nob the 2nd day and Bradley never got a kick. Derry were well beaten.
Paddy Bradley had a great game in drawn game and Brolly pointed out in TSG after that the Tyrone defender should know to push him onto his right foot which was good advice for Tyrone. Bradley hardly touched the ball in replay.

He opened his mouth to wide! You'd never get a Kerry pundit doing that!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on September 13, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/09/12/brolly-to-shout-analysis-into-croke-park-from-megaphone/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 04:06:23 PM
Brolly hitting the sauce early today!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEbF5cZX4AA5ttc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on September 14, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Should have let those pints settle for a while lol. Thats Shane Finnegan with Joe, the clubman and friend he donated his kidney too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Solo_run on September 14, 2019, 05:15:15 PM
Pat McEnaney as his replacement please.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
Not an interruption in sight. Much better. Even Spillane is more bearable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: currychip on September 14, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
Rochford adds absolutely nothing. Tells us what we saw.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 14, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
A complete bore fest that punditry today.
What analysis was there? Can't well had nobody to snap at.
Pat seemed a bit a bit lost. Whelan was just his usual biased self with a suit that brolly would def have slagged him about.
Rochford didn't bring much either.
No entertainment at all.
Thank fook it was a great game.
Pity nobody had the balls to point out the ref mistakes.

Fair play to Dublin, better side just about, score flattered them a bit though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tyrdub on September 14, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: currychip on September 14, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
Rochford adds absolutely nothing. Tells us what we saw.

It hurt him to compliment Dublin
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 14, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: currychip on September 14, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
Rochford adds absolutely nothing. Tells us what we saw.

It hurt him to compliment Dublin

Understandable! Dara O'Se has the same problem with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: currychip on September 14, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
Rochford adds absolutely nothing. Tells us what we saw.

Who cares. He wasn't Brolly. That's all that matters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: under the bar on September 14, 2019, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 14, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: currychip on September 14, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
Rochford adds absolutely nothing. Tells us what we saw.

Who cares. He wasn't Brolly. That's all that matters.

+1.  Joe spinelessly attacked the integrity of some of the best managers, players and referees in the country in front of audiences of millions to boost his own media profile. He quietly apologised afterwards in personal phone calls very few people were even aware took place.  That sort of duplicity catches up with you eventually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 15, 2019, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray


People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.

::)

Anyone on Sky soccer analysis. Do we need to bring up local pundits - Winker Watson, Sidebottom, etc? All on this Board.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 15, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: currychip on September 15, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MayoBuck on September 15, 2019, 06:51:57 PM
I'll go back to the Tyrone and Donegal game earlier this summer. I think it was the 1st live football game RTE showed. Brolly must have spent 5 minutes pre match talking about Corofin. Maybe other people enjoy that kind of "entertainment" but i certainly don't. Best decision RTE have made in a long time is getting rid of him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: currychip on September 15, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
Lots of chips on shoulders with the anti Brolly brigade, especially from counties against whom he has had a go, which is quite a few admittedly, including his own.  Wouldn't matter what he did or said.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: currychip on September 15, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.

Why would analysis need to offend anyone? Isn't that why Brolly got the boot? Because that's what he did, continually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: currychip on September 15, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
Analysis should add something, e.g. understanding of the game beyond what you could do yourself, not just tell you what you already have perceived. Maybe something outside of the game.  For me, yesterday RTE's analysis was pretty rubbish.  In our house we started listening at half time, then fidgeted and faffed around until the game re-started.  One daughter even started homework.  Other houses might have been riveted.  Ours wasn't .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 16, 2019, 07:47:09 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.

So let me get this right, instead of "honest analysis" where the pundits say what they actually think you prefer the standard cliche type analysis we saw at the weekend which could have been pre-recorded? Where no-one says anything controversial perhaps about a ref who is having a stinker or a manager who should be gone?

Some people can't separate their personal dislike of someone from what they actually say or do.
I didn't always agree with brolly and yes he went on the odd rant, but at the same time he was telling it as he saw it. It was off the cuff and actually gave a more relevant viewpoint than the blandness of mcstay or whelan.

I suspect rte will lose a few half time viewers in the absence of brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on September 16, 2019, 07:51:14 AM
Quote from: currychip on September 15, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.

Quote from: currychip on September 15, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
Analysis should add something, e.g. understanding of the game beyond what you could do yourself, not just tell you what you already have perceived. Maybe something outside of the game.  For me, yesterday RTE's analysis was pretty rubbish.  In our house we started listening at half time, then fidgeted and faffed around until the game re-started.  One daughter even started homework.  Other houses might have been riveted.  Ours wasn't .

So do you want analysis or not?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 16, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 16, 2019, 07:47:09 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 15, 2019, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 14, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2019, 10:59:51 PM
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who's analysing in the studio as opposed to what's on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.

So let me get this right, instead of "honest analysis" where the pundits say what they actually think you prefer the standard cliche type analysis we saw at the weekend which could have been pre-recorded? Where no-one says anything controversial perhaps about a ref who is having a stinker or a manager who should be gone?

Some people can't separate their personal dislike of someone from what they actually say or do.
I didn't always agree with brolly and yes he went on the odd rant, but at the same time he was telling it as he saw it. It was off the cuff and actually gave a more relevant viewpoint than the blandness of mcstay or whelan.

I suspect rte will lose a few half time viewers in the absence of brolly.

And I suspect they'll gain many more viewers in the absence of Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on September 16, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality

Agreed.

Anyone who repeats the mantra of Sky coverage being dull is someone who doesn't watch it.
Canavan and Donaghy are both very good, interesting and deliver their messages well. And yer man Carney, who used to be awful, has actually become a good middleman. Very quick to pull them up on incorrect predictions and has the craic with them. It took him a long time to become relaxed in front of the camera, but now he's managed it.

Rochford has his place on panels, but needs more studio experience to get better. Not a good replacement for Brolly for AI final. They should have brought in someone with more personality. Maybe they should have gone with T O'Se and O'Rourke, and leave Spillane and Rochford for the evening.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 16, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality

Agreed.

Anyone who repeats the mantra of Sky coverage being dull is someone who doesn't watch it.
Canavan and Donaghy are both very good, interesting and deliver their messages well. And yer man Carney, who used to be awful, has actually become a good middleman. Very quick to pull them up on incorrect predictions and has the craic with them. It took him a long time to become relaxed in front of the camera, but now he's managed it.

Rochford has his place on panels, but needs more studio experience to get better. Not a good replacement for Brolly for AI final. They should have brought in someone with more personality. Maybe they should have gone with T O'Se and O'Rourke, and leave Spillane and Rochford for the evening.

Tomas is the best RTE have on the books at the moment.
McConville doesnt get much time in front of the cameras but plenty of time on the radio. His insight is always very good I find.
The Gooch is decent as well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on September 16, 2019, 10:36:21 AM
I think a bit like Al Capone they were looking to pin something on him and decided on critisising David Gough in the end.

Most people put the kettle on, go to the bathroom etc as soon as the half time whistle goes then maybe tune back in again 5 minutes before the match starts again but when Joe is on it becomes a bit like the Jerry Springer show, basically he says something outrageous and the hypothetical audience boo e.g. Sean Cavanagh is not a man, really could have been that sort of cynical foul which cost Monaghan the game should have a greater punishment than a yellow card.  I don't think the Sunday Game needs the hyperbole.  If they could put 1 of these electric shock things on him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hOOGWLshtE he would be grand.  A gentle shock to the arm when it looks like he about to talk over someone half way through their point.  One to the b@llocks when he has taken his 100th dig at Mickey Harte during half time of the Sligo Leitrim match.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on September 16, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
1) Criticising a referee should not be allowed by pundits. It just encourages the stupid on the football field to have a go too (especially junior level). It is okay to say that in their opinion a ref got a decision wrong (they're human), but that should be the end of it.f

2) It's a sad day when the mob decide that a pundit is no longer required

3) It's an even sadder day when pundits tell you what you just saw, are dull as dishwater and side step controversy 

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on September 16, 2019, 05:15:59 PM
Joe brolly's work re organ donation is outstanding and his high profile and controversial persona has been an important factor in this.
There are elements of his personality and behaviour which are extremely interesting to watch and analyse.
He's extremely articulate and his day job equips him to put across any argument well, but
As an up to date, cutting edge analyst he's nowhere near the likes of Mcconville and Canavan.
He appears to lack insight, respect and humility which has apparently led to an uncomfortable working relationship with Joanne Cantwell. Rte have perhaps taken the view that it would be much easier to replace Brolly than Cantwell. His previous comments re Sky's Rachel and attitude towards Joanne have no doubt spooked RTE. Ridiculing the likes of Cavanagh ,  Mayo, McIvor , Gough ( the list goes on) caused genuine upset and presumably RTE had enough of him using his media profile to make personalised comments about amateur sportspeople -and he was warned before.
I would wish him well in all the good work he does but I won't miss his analysis , disrespectful behaviour and hurtful comments.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Halfquarter on September 16, 2019, 06:21:23 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 16, 2019, 05:15:59 PM
Joe brolly's work re organ donation is outstanding and his high profile and controversial persona has been an important factor in this.
There are elements of his personality and behaviour which are extremely interesting to watch and analyse.
He's extremely articulate and his day job equips him to put across any argument well, but
As an up to date, cutting edge analyst he's nowhere near the likes of Mcconville and Canavan.
He appears to lack insight, respect and humility which has apparently led to an uncomfortable working relationship with Joanne Cantwell. Rte have perhaps taken the view that it would be much easier to replace Brolly than Cantwell. His previous comments re Sky's Rachel and attitude towards Joanne have no doubt spooked RTE. Ridiculing the likes of Cavanagh ,  Mayo, McIvor , Gough ( the list goes on) caused genuine upset and presumably RTE had enough of him using his media profile to make personalised comments about amateur sportspeople -and he was warned before.
I would wish him well in all the good work he does but I won't miss his analysis , disrespectful behaviour and hurtful comments.

Why would you miss his hurtful comments ??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 16, 2019, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 16, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
1) Criticising a referee should not be allowed by pundits. It just encourages the stupid on the football field to have a go too (especially junior level). It is okay to say that in their opinion a ref got a decision wrong (they're human), but that should be the end of it.f

2) It's a sad day when the mob decide that a pundit is no longer required

3) It's an even sadder day when pundits tell you what you just saw, are dull as dishwater and side step controversy

"Who do you want to believe? Me or your own eyes? " Groucho Marx
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Blowitupref on September 16, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 16, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
1) Criticising a referee should not be allowed by pundits. It just encourages the stupid on the football field to have a go too (especially junior level). It is okay to say that in their opinion a ref got a decision wrong (they're human), but that should be the end of it.f

2) It's a sad day when the mob decide that a pundit is no longer required

3) It's an even sadder day when pundits tell you what you just saw, are dull as dishwater and side step controversy

In Brolly's case he decided his own fate. Read back on my post from page 340 of this thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.

That tells me more about you than it does about Joe Brolly.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

Judging by comments on here, the majority are glad to see the back of Brolly, as he's made TSG unbearable in recent years. So it's not just me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Should we just delete this thread now that Joe is no longer relevant?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Should we just delete this thread now that Joe is no longer relevant?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 17, 2019, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Should we just delete this thread now that Joe is no longer relevant?

Pathetic! Grow up and wise up. His crime; to give an actual opinion on something? Come on lads. Let it go.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Will it ever end on September 18, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 18, 2019, 09:11:12 AM
Which would be kind of ironic given the reason it's come to this is the questioning of someone else's integrity!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.

That tells me more about you than it does about Joe Brolly.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

Judging by comments on here, the majority are glad to see the back of Brolly, as he's made TSG unbearable in recent years. So it's not just me.

That's a little bit anecdotal!
I for one think the Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke mix was the perfect mix and it's just nowhere near the same without Brolly.
I watched the half time analysis of the replay, bored me to tears. When the final was over I switched off. On another day, I'd have been sitting watching the after match discussion also as I wanted to hear what they had to say and it was always entertaining.
I'm only speaking for myself, but whilst TSG might have been unbearable for you with Brolly, its becoming quickly unbearable for me without him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 18, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.

I reckon there is zero chance of this. Sky wouldn't want him after what he has said about it in the past. And Brolly wouldn't take it if offered.

I have to admit, I've never seen the Sky coverage as I don't have Sky, but on principal I just don't agree with at all.
Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cavan19 on September 18, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 18, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.

Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

Is that actually true though, i have see that countered elsewhere but cannot remember where.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on September 18, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 18, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.

Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

Is that actually true though, i have see that countered elsewhere but cannot remember where.

Well I guess it is anecdotal too, but I'm basing it on my peer group and extended family plus numerous articles read online.
There have been a few articles knocking about recently on sky viewing figures for some of the super 8s (I think), and the numbers were extremely low. If you take that low number of viewers for the super 8s who got to watch on Sky and offset that against the number of viewers who couldn't watch on terrestrial tv as a result of Sky coverage, I think there is a shortfall.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 11:53:18 AM
I knew I saw it somewhere:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0804/1066999-not-good-enough-panel-discuss-gaa-tv-rights-deal/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2019, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.

That tells me more about you than it does about Joe Brolly.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

Judging by comments on here, the majority are glad to see the back of Brolly, as he's made TSG unbearable in recent years. So it's not just me.

That's a little bit anecdotal!
I for one think the Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke mix was the perfect mix and it's just nowhere near the same without Brolly.
I watched the half time analysis of the replay, bored me to tears. When the final was over I switched off. On another day, I'd have been sitting watching the after match discussion also as I wanted to hear what they had to say and it was always entertaining.
I'm only speaking for myself, but whilst TSG might have been unbearable for you with Brolly, its becoming quickly unbearable for me without him.
TV sports analysis is ultimately supposed to be light entertainment

Of course it can and should inform the viewer but it is supposed to be entertaining

That's because Gaelic football and sport in general doesn't matter a jot in the grand scheme of things

Things have been turned upside down

Politics, which does matter, is now being viewed as light entertainment, which is a terrible development, because it matters far too much - it can destroy people's lives when it is viewed as light entertainment - idiotic policies and idiotic people triumph in that environment

Meanwhile some people have got notions about TV sport analysis and tried to drain any entertainment out of it

It should be there to inform, entertain and sometimes provoke

Of course Brolly talks a lot of shit, but there's often a good point there underneath it all

Dunphy talked a lot of shit but the RTE soccer panel is turgid without him

That segment with Derek McGrath and Donal Og some weeks back got people talking and it had good points underpinning it

That's exactly what you want

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on September 18, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 18, 2019, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 18, 2019, 07:26:46 AM
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.

Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

Is that actually true though, i have see that countered elsewhere but cannot remember where.
Well, the argument is there are as many games on free to air as ever there was and that game on Sky are therefore a bonus. But don't have the facts and figures to know if that's true.

One great bonus of Sky's coverage is not having to listen to Ger Canning doing AI semis and finals. 

Also much prefer it to TG4, as I understand what the commentators are saying. Although on TG4, at least some of the interviews and all of the adverts are in English.

If there's a way of synching radio commentary with TV coverage, I'd love to hear it. Anytime I try it, there's always a delay, which is even worse than having to listen to Ger.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: pbat on September 18, 2019, 01:21:23 PM
Have RTE actually confirmed he is dropped going forward? All I seen was he was not to appear last Saturday.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 18, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
RTE have an Irish commentary option for matches. I'd like to see a no commentary option.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 18, 2019, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.

That tells me more about you than it does about Joe Brolly.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

Judging by comments on here, the majority are glad to see the back of Brolly, as he's made TSG unbearable in recent years. So it's not just me.

That's a little bit anecdotal!
I for one think the Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke mix was the perfect mix and it's just nowhere near the same without Brolly.
I watched the half time analysis of the replay, bored me to tears. When the final was over I switched off. On another day, I'd have been sitting watching the after match discussion also as I wanted to hear what they had to say and it was always entertaining.
I'm only speaking for myself, but whilst TSG might have been unbearable for you with Brolly, its becoming quickly unbearable for me without him.

Each to their own. But I'm glad to see the back of him.

Maybe a poll would give a more clearer view on what people think of Brolly getting the chop.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 18, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 18, 2019, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Its fair to say Brolly was missed over the weekend then. Sad times ahead by the looks of things #JusticeForBrolly

He certainly wasn't missed in our house! Any time Brolly was there, the sound would have more often than not, been muted.

That tells me more about you than it does about Joe Brolly.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

Judging by comments on here, the majority are glad to see the back of Brolly, as he's made TSG unbearable in recent years. So it's not just me.

That's a little bit anecdotal!
I for one think the Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke mix was the perfect mix and it's just nowhere near the same without Brolly.
I watched the half time analysis of the replay, bored me to tears. When the final was over I switched off. On another day, I'd have been sitting watching the after match discussion also as I wanted to hear what they had to say and it was always entertaining.
I'm only speaking for myself, but whilst TSG might have been unbearable for you with Brolly, its becoming quickly unbearable for me without him.

Each to their own. But I'm glad to see the back of him.

Maybe a poll would give a more clearer view on what people think of Brolly getting the chop.

Agreed. Opinions are fine but he questioned Gough's integrity and he did so with Cavanagh and McGeeney too. Whether that be right or wrong is neither here nor there. If he conducts himself like that he shouldn't be allowed a platform to do this. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I see RTE had a big increase in their viewer figures for the All Ireland final replay, i'd wonder how much of that increase was to do with no Joe Brolly on the viewing public screens?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 18, 2019, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I see RTE had a big increase in their viewer figures for the All Ireland final replay, i'd wonder how much of that increase was to do with no Joe Brolly on the viewing public screens?
Not a jot would it make.
People were watching it because it was the all Ireland final replay. Nothing to do with presenters or analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 18, 2019, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 18, 2019, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I see RTE had a big increase in their viewer figures for the All Ireland final replay, i'd wonder how much of that increase was to do with no Joe Brolly on the viewing public screens?
Not a jot would it make.
People were watching it because it was the all Ireland final replay. Nothing to do with presenters or analysis.

If you say so Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on September 19, 2019, 08:07:39 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I see RTE had a big increase in their viewer figures for the All Ireland final replay, i'd wonder how much of that increase was to do with no Joe Brolly on the viewing public screens?

Would have had absolutely nothing to do with it - Dubiln v Kerry replay was the draw.

Brolly isnt like Ger in that you have to listen to his drivel for the entire game
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on September 19, 2019, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2019, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 18, 2019, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I see RTE had a big increase in their viewer figures for the All Ireland final replay, i'd wonder how much of that increase was to do with no Joe Brolly on the viewing public screens?
Not a jot would it make.
People were watching it because it was the all Ireland final replay. Nothing to do with presenters or analysis.

If you say so Joe.

Did Brolly give you a serious roasting at some point Benny?  :P :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 19, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
349 pages...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 19, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 19, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on September 19, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
349 pages...

But yet he 'doesnt attract viewers'

A lot of the stuff on here is regarding TSG in general or other pundits. I know I've posted on here about non-Brolly issues because there's no other appropriate thread.

Someone said the original poster is no longer a member so they can't change the title thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 19, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Honest Joe, the man of the people, the man who spoke for the people.
Who now will speak for the people?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 19, 2019, 08:34:21 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 19, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on September 19, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
349 pages...

But yet he 'doesnt attract viewers'

A lot of the stuff on here is regarding TSG in general or other pundits. I know I've posted on here about non-Brolly issues because there's no other appropriate thread.

Someone said the original poster is no longer a member so they can't change the title thread.

Dear God, talk about clutching straw.
Benny, when you're explaining things you're going backwards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on September 19, 2019, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 19, 2019, 08:34:21 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 19, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on September 19, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
349 pages...

But yet he 'doesnt attract viewers'

A lot of the stuff on here is regarding TSG in general or other pundits. I know I've posted on here about non-Brolly issues because there's no other appropriate thread.

Someone said the original poster is no longer a member so they can't change the title thread.

Dear God, talk about clutching straw.
Benny, when you're explaining things you're going backwards.

Is that you Mrs Brolly?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 21, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
I have to admit, I've never seen the Sky coverage as I don't have Sky, but on principal I just don't agree with at all.
Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

When TV3 was allocated games access was reduced for those particularly in the north who couldn't receive that channel. There was far less complaining about than Sky.

Sky is just as accessible to any one without a dish and contract by paying for a day's worth of Sky Sports when games they want to see are on via a £13 Now TV stick and an internet connection. The cost per day is a fraction of the cost of travel and gate price at a match.

Sky is not perfect but they make RTÉ look like the bunch of amateurs that they are. They have applied their experience from other sports to football and hurling and brought in high level recent playing/management experience in their pundits and given them extensive ongoing presentation training. RTÉ so arrogant that they have made no moves to compete. Just wait until Eir Sport makes its bid for games in next round.

No chance of Brolly ever being taken onboard as Sky has its resident clown in Senan Connell.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 21, 2019, 11:43:20 PM
While I'm no fan of Sky, they do give our games a much wider platform and for that reason I think their involvement is a positive step
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 21, 2019, 11:43:20 PM
While I'm no fan of Sky, they do give our games a much wider platform and for that reason I think their involvement is a positive step
Yes and those couple of hundred folks in the UK who have the sky sub and want to watch the GAA should be very very grateful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 23, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 21, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
I have to admit, I've never seen the Sky coverage as I don't have Sky, but on principal I just don't agree with at all.
Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

When TV3 was allocated games access was reduced for those particularly in the north who couldn't receive that channel. There was far less complaining about than Sky.

Sky is just as accessible to any one without a dish and contract by paying for a day's worth of Sky Sports when games they want to see are on via a £13 Now TV stick and an internet connection. The cost per day is a fraction of the cost of travel and gate price at a match.

Sky is not perfect but they make RTÉ look like the bunch of amateurs that they are. They have applied their experience from other sports to football and hurling and brought in high level recent playing/management experience in their pundits and given them extensive ongoing presentation training. RTÉ so arrogant that they have made no moves to compete. Just wait until Eir Sport makes its bid for games in next round.

No chance of Brolly ever being taken onboard as Sky has its resident clown in Senan Connell.
And now even fewer people from NI  tune into Sky than were able to tune into TV3 . And has Sky really done it that much different to what TV3 did? Sky has the same commentary team and similar punditry set up. The similar set up that has some gaa aficionados here masturbating with delight about sky as if this was the new coming.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 21, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
I have to admit, I've never seen the Sky coverage as I don't have Sky, but on principal I just don't agree with at all.
Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

When TV3 was allocated games access was reduced for those particularly in the north who couldn't receive that channel. There was far less complaining about than Sky.

Sky is just as accessible to any one without a dish and contract by paying for a day's worth of Sky Sports when games they want to see are on via a £13 Now TV stick and an internet connection. The cost per day is a fraction of the cost of travel and gate price at a match.

Sky is not perfect but they make RTÉ look like the bunch of amateurs that they are. They have applied their experience from other sports to football and hurling and brought in high level recent playing/management experience in their pundits and given them extensive ongoing presentation training. RTÉ so arrogant that they have made no moves to compete. Just wait until Eir Sport makes its bid for games in next round.

No chance of Brolly ever being taken onboard as Sky has its resident clown in Senan Connell.
RTÉ are experts in the Irish psyche
TSG is the media equivalent of a carvery lunch
Comfort TV
If punters wanted in-depth coverage they would provide it   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: joemamas on September 23, 2019, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Honest Joe, the man of the people, the man who spoke for the people.
Who now will speak for the people?

Kerryforsam or what ever his current aliases are. i.e chances that at least 50% of newbies that inundate this board with nonsense are him.
And I thought school had started up.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
I've just watched snippets of it but Joe has well and truly burned his bridges with RTE following his interview with Joe.ie. 

"What they need is newsreaders, not people able to express an opinion"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on October 18, 2019, 04:39:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on September 21, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 18, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
I have to admit, I've never seen the Sky coverage as I don't have Sky, but on principal I just don't agree with at all.
Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

When TV3 was allocated games access was reduced for those particularly in the north who couldn't receive that channel. There was far less complaining about than Sky.

Sky is just as accessible to any one without a dish and contract by paying for a day's worth of Sky Sports when games they want to see are on via a £13 Now TV stick and an internet connection. The cost per day is a fraction of the cost of travel and gate price at a match.

Sky is not perfect but they make RTÉ look like the bunch of amateurs that they are. They have applied their experience from other sports to football and hurling and brought in high level recent playing/management experience in their pundits and given them extensive ongoing presentation training. RTÉ so arrogant that they have made no moves to compete. Just wait until Eir Sport makes its bid for games in next round.

No chance of Brolly ever being taken onboard as Sky has its resident clown in Senan Connell.
RTÉ are experts in the Irish psyche
TSG is the media equivalent of a carvery lunch
Comfort TV
If punters wanted in-depth coverage they would provide it   
you have a good point there.
TSG is for the casual viewer and as a high profile program has to trey and attract a big an audience as possible rather, the whole family can watch with not much interest in Football . rather than just the die hards who watch a county Quarter final on TG4 and indeed were at earlier in the day .
Personally id like them to get rid of all analysts and just show the games until the All Ireland  Semi finals stage at least  anyway
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 19, 2019, 06:31:15 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
I've just watched snippets of it but Joe has well and truly burned his bridges with RTE following his interview with Joe.ie. 

"What they need is newsreaders, not people able to express an opinion"

I thought it was a great interview. Full of his usual stories that are probably all half true but I still find the man fascinating. A psychologist would have some craic working out what goes on in his head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on October 19, 2019, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 19, 2019, 06:31:15 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
I've just watched snippets of it but Joe has well and truly burned his bridges with RTE following his interview with Joe.ie. 

"What they need is newsreaders, not people able to express an opinion"

I thought it was a great interview. Full of his usual stories that are probably all half true but I still find the man fascinating. A psychologist would have some craic working out what goes on in his head.

He is great craic even if no-one really took him seriously and thought half the stories were made up.

The problem was he didn't seem to understand you cannot personally insult someone on live TV and get away with it, even if the previous Head of sport was a great guy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 19, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
He also uses a lot of unnecessary bad language
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Olly on October 19, 2019, 07:42:21 PM
I'm sorta confused now. Are we to like him now or not?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 19, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Olly on October 19, 2019, 07:42:21 PM
I'm sorta confused now. Are we to like him now or not?
Same here, are we meant to feel pity for this narcissist?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on October 19, 2019, 08:02:52 PM
No pity for that bollox
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on October 19, 2019, 10:26:15 PM
https://twitter.com/misterdotsie/status/1184830242189434880?s=21
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 20, 2019, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 18, 2019, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
I've just watched snippets of it but Joe has well and truly burned his bridges with RTE following his interview with Joe.ie. 

"What they need is newsreaders, not people able to express an opinion"

Is it worth the watch? scrolled past it a few times but never clicked into it

I quite enjoyed it. He doesn't know how to swear though, it sounds a bit forced, like he's trying too hard to be cool. But I enjoyed his stories and hearing his side.  I had a good laugh at the Clinton story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: under the bar on October 20, 2019, 12:51:02 AM
Don't believe his bull. Joe did not get dropped by RTE because he refused to read a script. He got dropped because he continually made personal attacks on amateur sportsmen and managers, all the while getting handsomely paid to voice his opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on October 20, 2019, 02:19:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 19, 2019, 06:31:15 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
I've just watched snippets of it but Joe has well and truly burned his bridges with RTE following his interview with Joe.ie. 

"What they need is newsreaders, not people able to express an opinion"

I thought it was a great interview. Full of his usual stories that are probably all half true but I still find the man fascinating. A psychologist would have some craic working out what goes on in his head.

Jaysus, wouldn't bother my hole listening to him. He had an extended TV run far beyond what his talents deserved, Good luck to him but I'm glad he's gone
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 20, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: under the bar on October 20, 2019, 12:51:02 AM
Don't believe his bull. Joe did not get dropped by RTE because he refused to read a script. He got dropped because he continually made personal attacks on amateur sportsmen and managers, all the while getting handsomely paid to voice his opinion.

Jaysus. I agree with you for once.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on October 21, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
Yes Joe Brolly complained about RTÉ adopting the WWE approach of overwrought statistical analysis
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 24, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: caprea on October 21, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
Yes Joe Brolly complained about RTÉ adopting the WWE approach of overwrought statistical analysis

Dont shoot the messenger, I had a man on the inside.
Say what you want about Joe, great attacker in his day but this time he's successfully defended young Carr from down
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on November 10, 2019, 01:05:58 AM
I may be wrong... but I'm gonna call bullshit on the Gaybo catching Joe skinny dipping story!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on November 10, 2019, 08:44:17 AM
Joe tells porkies shocker ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LilySavage on November 10, 2019, 11:49:17 AM
Hard for the recently deceased to contradict one of Joe's yarns. I doubt Gay Byrne would know who he was, and particularly when in the nip.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on November 10, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
Heard someone say lately about Gay rarely or never been seen in Croke Park. He wasn't into sport. But of course, everyone is on first name terms with Brolly  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on November 10, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2019, 01:05:58 AM
I may be wrong... but I'm gonna call bullshit on the Gaybo catching Joe skinny dipping story!!!

And in the water for 20 minutes with no clothes no less in the middle of winter
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 10, 2019, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 10, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2019, 01:05:58 AM
I may be wrong... but I'm gonna call bullshit on the Gaybo catching Joe skinny dipping story!!!

And in the water for 20 minutes with no clothes no less in the middle of winter
If it happened in Joe's imagination, that means it could have happened in real life ;D  If Joe had been skinny dipping in arctic sea bathing conditions and Gay Byrne just happened to be passsing by, that's the converstaion which might have transpired,  to fit exactly into a leading paragraph of a self eulogising article years later, just days after the alleged mainwitness died.

Wasn't there an alleged academic, Peter Hart, who wrote a book slandering Tom Barry and the west cork brigade, based on alleged anecdotal accounts of dead men.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 14, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
Brolly v Wolly
Ewan McKenna v Eddie O'Sullivan

...Someone explain to me why I'm drawn to going to this. Am I ok?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on November 14, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 14, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
Brolly v Wolly
Ewan McKenna v Eddie O'Sullivan

...Someone explain to me why I'm drawn to going to this. Am I ok?
What is it, Celebrity Death Match??

Spewan outdid himself again this week. Tweeted that Gay Byrne was a "vile pr1ck". Deleted it when he sobered up. Alcoholism may explain some of his problems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 14, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 14, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
Brolly v Wolly
Ewan McKenna v Eddie O'Sullivan

...Someone explain to me why I'm drawn to going to this. Am I ok?
What is it, Celebrity Death Match??

Spewan outdid himself again this week. Tweeted that Gay Byrne was a "vile pr1ck". Deleted it when he sobered up. Alcoholism may explain some of his problems.

Didn't Ewan's Daddy work for RTE?

Of those 4 I could only tolerate Parkinson. Why is he taking on a Barrister, he'll be destroyed.

Zero interest either way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on November 14, 2019, 01:38:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 14, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 14, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
Brolly v Wolly
Ewan McKenna v Eddie O'Sullivan

...Someone explain to me why I'm drawn to going to this. Am I ok?
What is it, Celebrity Death Match??

Spewan outdid himself again this week. Tweeted that Gay Byrne was a "vile pr1ck". Deleted it when he sobered up. Alcoholism may explain some of his problems.

Didn't Ewan's Daddy work for RTE?


Yes. RTE Producer John MacKenna that had 10 year Ewan in RTE getting gigs from ten years of age.

The same Ewan who rails against the Rugby boys for the privilege and leg up life afforded them.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on January 10, 2020, 08:22:25 PM
Joe going to do punditry for Eir. Going against his own beliefs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 10, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 10, 2020, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 10, 2020, 08:22:25 PM
Joe going to do punditry for Eir. Going against his own beliefs.
Joe Brolly doesn't have beliefs ffs. Everything he says is for attention.

In a nutshell and Eir must be fairly desperate themselves for attention to have him as a pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 10, 2020, 08:59:07 PM
He'll get them viewers. Just look at this thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 10, 2020, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 10, 2020, 08:22:25 PM
Joe going to do punditry for Eir. Going against his own beliefs.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/90/78/4890780062e9ed1dc079bea5b4fd312a.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 10, 2020, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 10, 2020, 08:59:07 PM
He'll get them viewers. Just look at this thread.
Do you think extra gaa aficionados will tune into Eir for a league game just to listen to Joe?

Joe couldn't live without a platform, he's probably been begging them for months and they have finally relented. He's probably paying them for the seat space.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: snoopdog on January 10, 2020, 11:26:51 PM
Great news to have Joe back on tv.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 11, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/punditarena.com/gaa/thepateam/brolly-duignan-sign-petition-calling-on-gaa-to-end-links-with-ppv-providers/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/brolly-set-for-eir-sport-punditry-role-38852471.html

Joe is a man of conviction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on January 11, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
PPV channel - no different from Sky except not doing championship games (yet)
Viewing figures no better either. (Will he be writing articles about how more went to mass in Balbriggan?)
What a complete hypocrite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 12, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
What Benny is really saying,  even if he wanted to watch the NFL games televised by Eir he hasn't the nous to suss it out, and if he did have the nous, he wouldn't be able to resist the magnetic attraction of Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 13, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 12, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
What Benny is really saying,  even if he wanted to watch the NFL games televised by Eir he hasn't the nous to suss it out, and if he did have the nous, he wouldn't be able to resist the magnetic attraction of Joe Brolly.

What Benny is really saying, is exactly what he said above.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 13, 2020, 10:27:30 AM
What a spoof this man is. Hope anyone who listened to his anti-sky nonsense is taking note. He's not too worried about the 86 year old hospitalised GAA man now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
Yes
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 13, 2020, 12:12:45 PM
Is it confirmed that he has actually taken this job with a subscription channel. That would be the height of hypocrisy but no doubt Joe will find some angle with which to move the goalposts. It looks like his love of the limelight has superseded any well founded principle.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 13, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on January 13, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Fair play to Joe, he gave RTE the boot. Corporate greed was the straw that broke the camels back with RTE and Joe among a few other reasons. Now hes elsewhere voicing his analysis on the game. The jealously is outrageous. Sour, sour posters on here today.

I think it was the other way around. It was RTE who gave Joe the boot, he was dropped from their live broadcast for the AI final replay and Joanne Cantwell lost confidence in his abilities as an analyst. I'm certainly no fan of the new RTE snowflake approach across all sports of constantly looking for balance and having a whole host of bland pundits who are afraid to offer an honest opinion for fear of saying anything remotely controversial for fear of offending. However in the case of Brolly he was beginning to become really irksome and that only worsened whenever Michael Lyster left.   

As for the jealously argument, jealous of what exactly?   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 13, 2020, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 13, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on January 13, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Fair play to Joe, he gave RTE the boot. Corporate greed was the straw that broke the camels back with RTE and Joe among a few other reasons. Now hes elsewhere voicing his analysis on the game. The jealously is outrageous. Sour, sour posters on here today.

I think it was the other way around. It was RTE who gave Joe the boot, he was dropped from their live broadcast for the AI final replay and Joanne Cantwell lost confidence in his abilities as an analyst. I'm certainly no fan of the new RTE snowflake approach across all sports of constantly looking for balance and having a whole host of bland pundits who are afraid to offer an honest opinion for fear of saying anything remotely controversial for fear of offending. However in the case of Brolly he was beginning to become really irksome and that only worsened whenever Michael Lyster left.   

As for the jealously argument, jealous of what exactly?

I think it was a tongue in cheek post.

Beginning? He's been unlistenable for at least a decade. I'm glad to see the back of the bollix.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 13, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
He's definitely confirmed for Eir Sport... will be interested to hear how he squares that circle!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on January 13, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Not a year and a half ago someone on twitter accused Joe of not being that interested really in the elderly and people in nursing homes being able to watch free to air GAA matches, and accused him of having had a vested interest in his role as an RTÉ pundit.

Joe got tetchy and called the person making the claims "a little shit" and began talking about the values of the free to air GAA that he believes so passionately in and of his dislike for people like Mickey Harte who disagree with him over the issue. He's the evergreen tweet where Joe puts the cherry nicely on the top:

"I don't. I dislike the man intensely and what he stands for but that's a personal matter. As for RTÉ it's the public broadcaster and I enjoy it but I would never for example work with SKY or Eir. I am first and foremost a GAA man. What else do we have?"
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1158750353896218624 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1158750353896218624)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 13, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
 ;D

The more shite people spout with opinions they form on the spot the more likely they are to form other opinions on the spot that contradict what they previously said. In summary those that are full of shit will always be full of shit ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 13, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 13, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
He's definitely confirmed for Eir Sport... will be interested to hear how he squares that circle!!!

Is eir sport not free for anyone with eir broadband. That must be a huge number of people in the south based on them being the biggest broadband provider. Can we get eir sport in the north if we don't have sky? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 13, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
You lads just don't see the big picture. It's not that Joe is in any way hypocritical - he's now shelving his own morals to educate the rich folk so disconnected to the real world they can afford to pay for Eir. A man truly underappreciated in his own time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 14, 2020, 09:33:55 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 13, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 13, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
He's definitely confirmed for Eir Sport... will be interested to hear how he squares that circle!!!

Is eir sport not free for anyone with eir broadband. That must be a huge number of people in the south based on them being the biggest broadband provider. Can we get eir sport in the north if we don't have sky? Does anyone know?

They would have to be paying for a subscription to a TV package from Sky, Eir, Virgin etc in the first place to avail of this so it's not free.

It's just Brolly being a snide hypocrite, in true snide Derry fashion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: timmyot501 on January 14, 2020, 09:57:58 AM
You can avail of Eir sports package if you have eir broadband package via their app.  I do not have sky, Virgin or Eir TV package but I can avail of the Eir sports app for free once my broadband is with eir.  I can then chromecast eir sports from my phone to the TV.  It also includes virgin media sports pack now. (this use to be BT Sports)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 14, 2020, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on January 14, 2020, 09:57:58 AM
You can avail of Eir sports package if you have eir broadband package via their app.  I do not have sky, Virgin or Eir TV package but I can avail of the Eir sports app for free once my broadband is with eir.  I can then chromecast eir sports from my phone to the TV.  It also includes virgin media sports pack now. (this use to be BT Sports)

But what about the wee old man living in rural Ireland with no access or cant afford broadband. Not fit to leave the house to go to a neighbour or a pub. Him relying on these weekly games to keep him going.

Or the man lying up in hospital with no access to Eir Sport.

Joe was very worried about these people last year when Sky and Eir showing games. He was close to tears telling these sad stories.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on January 14, 2020, 10:42:13 AM
Joe might use his payments from eir to get those folks connected to the pay channels......
Yah right....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

That's exactly what it's all about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

That's exactly what it's all about.

It's still interesting to hear his opinion. He might talk sh1te at times but he's entertaining.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 14, 2020, 06:33:57 PM
This is 'The Official Keep Joe Brolly Relevant' thread though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

That's exactly what it's all about.

It's still interesting to hear his opinion. He might talk sh1te at times but he's entertaining.

In what way is he entertaining? I don't class attention seeking as entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

That's exactly what it's all about.

It's still interesting to hear his opinion. He might talk sh1te at times but he's entertaining.

He's not entertaining. For years, TSG was all about "shut up everybody, and listen to me".

He's a narcissist. And the only way to deal with a narcissist is to cut them out. Thankfully RTE have done that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 14, 2020, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

That's exactly what it's all about.

It's still interesting to hear his opinion. He might talk sh1te at times but he's entertaining.

In what way is he entertaining? I don't class attention seeking as entertainment.

The football connoisseurs on here are probably sick of listening to him but everyone I've spoken to who isn't fanatical about football, ie the average punter, loves listening to him. Lots of people have said to me it's a a massive own goal by rte to get rid of him. Ciaran whelan, sean cavanagh and dessie dolan spend all their time sitting on the fence, although colm orourke and spillane will still get people talking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on January 14, 2020, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 14, 2020, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on January 14, 2020, 09:57:58 AM
You can avail of Eir sports package if you have eir broadband package via their app.  I do not have sky, Virgin or Eir TV package but I can avail of the Eir sports app for free once my broadband is with eir.  I can then chromecast eir sports from my phone to the TV.  It also includes virgin media sports pack now. (this use to be BT Sports)

But what about the wee old man living in rural Ireland with no access or cant afford broadband. Not fit to leave the house to go to a neighbour or a pub. Him relying on these weekly games to keep him going.

Or the man lying up in hospital with no access to Eir Sport.

Joe was very worried about these people last year when Sky and Eir showing games. He was close to tears telling these sad stories.

You forgot about those in nursing homes too......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
NEW eir Sport pundit Joe Brolly has said that a decade of "howling at the moon" over keeping Gaelic games free-to-air was behind his decision to link up with the pay-per-view station.

The Derry man said that he campaigned vigorously against the decision to have paid GAA content introduced, including a series of meetings with then GAA Director General Pauric Duffy, but ultimately his message was "comprehensively rejected."

The Gaelic Life columnist, who also pointed out that 600,000 people receive eir Sports free as part of their broadband package, explained his U-turn.

"I started to object 10 years ago, setting out the case for the games to be available to everybody regardless of means," said Brolly, whose association with RTÉ came to an end in September.

"I met Pauric Duffy three times about it when he was the Director General. I met him at the start of the rights issue and at the second round of the rights issue.

"He made it clear that this was the new landscape and that it wasn't going to change. He did agonise over it.

"I continued to make my case. I'm very close, for example, to patients in hospitals, I'm heavily involved with Hospice and Cystic Fibrosis charities.

"But after 10 years my argument has been comprehensively rejected, absolutely rejected.

"In truth it has reached the stage where I'm howling in the wind. I'm certainly the only pundit who blazed a trail on it; none of the journalists were interested in it. Even my own kids were saying get real.

"There comes a point where it becomes entirely pointless. Like many things in society they change and they change permanently."

Brolly also said that the changing media landscape also played a part in his decision.

"Something that I had become conscious of much more was the viewing habits of younger people.

"My own kids for example, more or less watch Youtube and online.

"There is going to be a new landscape for the games, there's absolutely no doubt about that – the GAA have decided that."





Some amount of shite talked right there.

So he basically tried to change the system and said "f**k it" , and went with the system
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 10:54:32 PM
What a load of horse crap
Joe is being shown up for what he really is this time.
He was sitting comfortably in RTE free to air and thought he would play the saint Joe card about the poor oul men in hospitals etc
Very very surprised in him
Disappointed actually
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on January 14, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 14, 2020, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

Jesus Benny let it go man, that's a very unhealthy fascination you have developed there. A lot of hurt and anger over what really... fluff talk at half time? Let it go or it'll eat you up. Joe's not everyone's cup of tea but is he intelligent, articulate, interesting, different, off the wall sometimes.... generally yes I'd say.
That's exactly what it's all about.

It's still interesting to hear his opinion. He might talk sh1te at times but he's entertaining.

He's not entertaining. For years, TSG was all about "shut up everybody, and listen to me".

He's a narcissist. And the only way to deal with a narcissist is to cut them out. Thankfully RTE have done that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 14, 2020, 11:17:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 13, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 12, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
What Benny is really saying,  even if he wanted to watch the NFL games televised by Eir he hasn't the nous to suss it out, and if he did have the nous, he wouldn't be able to resist the magnetic attraction of Joe Brolly.

What Benny is really saying, is exactly what he said above.
Exactly, just as I interpreted. If Joe was on your tv you couln't but not listen to him and afterwards get on line and moan like fck ;D

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 14, 2020, 11:17:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 13, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 12, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
What Benny is really saying,  even if he wanted to watch the NFL games televised by Eir he hasn't the nous to suss it out, and if he did have the nous, he wouldn't be able to resist the magnetic attraction of Joe Brolly.

What Benny is really saying, is exactly what he said above.
Exactly, just as I interpreted. If Joe was on your tv you couln't but not listen to him and afterwards get on line and moan like fck ;D

Most times he was on, the mute button was pressed. The last 3/4 years he became unbearable. Glad to see the back of him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 14, 2020, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
NEW eir Sport pundit Joe Brolly has said that a decade of "howling at the moon" over keeping Gaelic games free-to-air was behind his decision to link up with the pay-per-view station.

The Derry man said that he campaigned vigorously against the decision to have paid GAA content introduced, including a series of meetings with then GAA Director General Pauric Duffy, but ultimately his message was "comprehensively rejected."

The Gaelic Life columnist, who also pointed out that 600,000 people receive eir Sports free as part of their broadband package, explained his U-turn.

"I started to object 10 years ago, setting out the case for the games to be available to everybody regardless of means," said Brolly, whose association with RTÉ came to an end in September.

"I met Pauric Duffy three times about it when he was the Director General. I met him at the start of the rights issue and at the second round of the rights issue.

"He made it clear that this was the new landscape and that it wasn't going to change. He did agonise over it.

"I continued to make my case. I'm very close, for example, to patients in hospitals, I'm heavily involved with Hospice and Cystic Fibrosis charities.

"But after 10 years my argument has been comprehensively rejected, absolutely rejected.

"In truth it has reached the stage where I'm howling in the wind. I'm certainly the only pundit who blazed a trail on it; none of the journalists were interested in it. Even my own kids were saying get real.

"There comes a point where it becomes entirely pointless. Like many things in society they change and they change permanently."

Brolly also said that the changing media landscape also played a part in his decision.

"Something that I had become conscious of much more was the viewing habits of younger people.

"My own kids for example, more or less watch Youtube and online.

"There is going to be a new landscape for the games, there's absolutely no doubt about that – the GAA have decided that."





Some amount of shite talked right there.

So he basically tried to change the system and said "f**k it" , and went with the system

He took the soup.

Slurp, slurp Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 15, 2020, 06:06:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2020, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 14, 2020, 11:17:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 13, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 12, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 10, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Don't really care as I don't have Eir, so I won't have to listen to the bollix.

This
What Benny is really saying,  even if he wanted to watch the NFL games televised by Eir he hasn't the nous to suss it out, and if he did have the nous, he wouldn't be able to resist the magnetic attraction of Joe Brolly.

What Benny is really saying, is exactly what he said above.
Exactly, just as I interpreted. If Joe was on your tv you couln't but not listen to him and afterwards get on line and moan like fck ;D

Most times he was on, the mute button was pressed. The last 3/4 years he became unbearable. Glad to see the back of him
He had become petulant and a bully on RTE, had zero rapport with Cantwell. In saying that, he'll likely be in flying-form on Eir, a change-of-scenery & all that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:17:16 AM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

This is the key. He has devoted his life for the last number of years to the whole organ donation thing and he needs to be relevant so that his voice carries weight when he is lobbying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
I couldn't help think what would Joe say were it someone else.

You can forget about Joe Brolly as a man I think he'd say.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 15, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:17:16 AM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

This is the key. He has devoted his life for the last number of years to the whole organ donation thing and he needs to be relevant so that his voice carries weight when he is lobbying.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 15, 2020, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:17:16 AM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

This is the key. He has devoted his life for the last number of years to the whole organ donation thing and he needs to be relevant so that his voice carries weight when he is lobbying.

He needs to be relevant for himself and his ego.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quiganmaster on January 15, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
I couldn't help think what would Joe say were it someone else.

You can forget about Joe Brolly as a man I think he'd say.  :D

Do you spend your life devoted to changing peoples lives through organ donation campaigning? He may be a bit of a hypocrite but this comment isn't fair on him tbf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
Derry lads really rallying around their prize hypocrite here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on January 15, 2020, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: quiganmaster on January 15, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
I couldn't help think what would Joe say were it someone else.

You can forget about Joe Brolly as a man I think he'd say.  :D

Do you spend your life devoted to changing peoples lives through organ donation campaigning? He may be a bit of a hypocrite but this comment isn't fair on him tbf
is this an organ donation  chat room ?
no like I would  not comment on any players personal life I find it a bit sickening that This is constantly being used a sa cover all defense for brolly to be a bollix when it comes to Football.
its totally irelevant
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: quiganmaster on January 15, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
I couldn't help think what would Joe say were it someone else.

You can forget about Joe Brolly as a man I think he'd say.  :D

Do you spend your life devoted to changing peoples lives through organ donation campaigning? He may be a bit of a hypocrite but this comment isn't fair on him tbf

It is a joke. Those are the exact words he used about Sean Cavanagh by the way. I wouldn't seriously say that about anyone. Joe on the other hand has...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 11:39:54 AM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.

Brolly is the GAA version of Bono. He likes to get up on a pulpit preaching to everyone when he turns around and ignore his own advice. There's an awful lot of spite and nastiness to the man, when he is no position to judge anyone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 15, 2020, 11:42:44 AM
He basically created a rod for his own back with his views on pay per view and how vocal he was about them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

RTE completely neglected the football Championship this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

RTE completely neglected the football Championship this year.

I thought real Tyrone supporters don't watch RTE??

Reminds me of a great passage in the bible Matthew 6:14-15
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

RTE completely neglected the football Championship this year.

I thought real Tyrone supporters don't watch RTE??

Not much football on it to watch. RTE threw football into the scrapheap for hurling last summer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 15, 2020, 08:08:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

It must be a two way thing then. Brolly has a huge chip on his shoulder when it comes to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.

Nope, he peddles blatant mistruths to further his agenda and it can be extremely vindictive and nasty too. I won't divulge much into his personal life but you can probably find a lot of answers there too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 15, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

RTE completely neglected the football Championship this year.

I thought real Tyrone supporters don't watch RTE??

Reminds me of a great passage in the bible Matthew 6:14-15
Will you lead us in a few decades Brother Screen?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
Brolly on otb live now
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redhandefender on January 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.

I will say nothing about brolly and cheating. As some one who has encountered him both professionally and personally I can say clearly the man is the most self centred egotistical human I have ever encountered. He should not be put on tv as a pantomine he should be somewhere getting help!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on January 16, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.

I met him through his organ donation work and though he was a gent. I can't understand all the hatred towards him (particularly Tyronies)

You might not agree with him, but at least he'll start a debate or conversation.The Sunday Game is going to be alot less interesting and incredibly bland this summer without him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:05:59 AM
What he said on otb was great.He said the inter county season should be 3 or 4 months and that would give the chance for country players to play for their clubs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 16, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.

I met him through his organ donation work and though he was a gent. I can't understand all the hatred towards him (particularly Tyronies)

You might not agree with him, but at least he'll start a debate or conversation.The Sunday Game is going to be alot less interesting and incredibly bland this summer without him.

I'm from Tyrone, I've no problem with the man. He's come to my own club as I say, perhaps that's why I've no problem with him as I've met the man and seen the TV Character and can distinguish.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on January 16, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
I have seen him being an absolute bully on Twitter to people who direct even mild criticism towards him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 15, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Do think lads are being a bit hard on Brolly. He is entitled to make a living doing what he likes and if we all picked our jobs based on principles, many would be out of work. Besides what EIR will show would likely never be on free to air TV and old men in nursing homes would need to read the morning paper for a report, if they even had a paper... and even then would probably be a few lines dialed in by a reporter not even at the match.
This argument was used to defend the sky deal and it was shot down.

I know. But Sky is championship. RTE would probably taken some of those big games Brolly complained about. They would have no interest in the league games Eir are showing; TG4 maybe. I didn't agree with Brolly on Sky; I thought their coverage really upped the ante. And I grew up in a time when All-Ireland semi's and finals were the only games ever shown, so thought his whole point was nonsense. But he was fired and is entitled to take up employment elsewhere. I actually prefer media (newspaper, print, digital) where you hear views you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise you are either stuck in an echo-chamber hearing your own views, or listening to very dull and safe commentators.

RTE completely neglected the football Championship this year.

I thought real Tyrone supporters don't watch RTE??

Reminds me of a great passage in the bible Matthew 6:14-15
Will you lead us in a few decades Brother Screen?

Alas only a man from Tyrone would be cleansed enough of sin to complete such a feat. . . us Derry wans are unwashed heathens!!

If only we had the Messiah leading us we could be better people  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 16, 2020, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: five points on January 16, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
I have seen him being an absolute bully on Twitter to people who direct even mild criticism towards him.

But you see, narcissists are never wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 16, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.

This isn't Eastenders, it's supposed to be experts offering an expert opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2020, 01:43:21 PM
Sounds like there was in immediate personality conflict between Joe and the new RTE head of Sport, Declan McBennett.

Joe didn't pull his punches anyway. He obviously knows he won't be back on RTE while McBennett is there.

Even sounded open to working with Sky although it would be an odd fit as Sky's match presentation is even more dryly stats driven than RTE's.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 16, 2020, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.

That character was a RTÉ created gimmick and they gave him the boot after numerous warnings to tone it down. The same gimmick is played out on his newspaper columns which includes a load of made up stories and no doubt he'll use that same worn out gimmick on Eir sports where his followers as consumed as those that follow Donald Trump will lap it up as entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 16, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Jesus Joe really gets under the skin of men here lads. I've met him a few times, in a footballing capacity I thought he was sound.

TV is TV. He's playing a character, something he openly admits. Sometimes he irritates me, sometimes I actually agree with him but I don't think he's worth 300 odd pages of back and forth.

This isn't Eastenders, it's supposed to be experts offering an expert opinion.

As its doing the rounds on twitter, as stated by the immortal Eamon "We're in showbiz, baby".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
Dunphy and Brolly rte agenda was against them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
Dunphy and Brolly rte agenda was against them.

Ah I liked them both, you just have to have the ability to be able to tune out when you know they are on one. I mean really, nobody actually really tunes in for pre/intra/post match chat, you just happen to have free time when they are on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 16, 2020, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:05:59 AM
What he said on otb was great.He said the inter county season should be 3 or 4 months and that would give the chance for country players to play for their clubs.

Gilroy and that other clown were fawning over Brolly on OTB. It was embarrassing. Joe might want to play a character and entertain the masses from his pulpit in the TV studio but he doesn't appreciate that what he says has real life consequences. For all his ranting about RTE wanting to place more emphasis on statistics that isn't why he's no longer working there.

He got the sack because of repeated personal attacks, such as the Cavanagh incident or his comments about David Gough at half time of the final. Joe might think that these are a bit of fun but it can't be nice for these guys having to go to work the following day after comments like those on national TV. RTE were correct to clamp down on it and I thought it was embarrassing that the OTB guys failed to challenge him on his rhetoric
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2020, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 16, 2020, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:05:59 AM
What he said on otb was great.He said the inter county season should be 3 or 4 months and that would give the chance for country players to play for their clubs.

Gilroy and that other clown were fawning over Brolly on OTB. It was embarrassing. Joe might want to play a character and entertain the masses from his pulpit in the TV studio but he doesn't appreciate that what he says has real life consequences. For all his ranting about RTE wanting to place more emphasis on statistics that isn't why he's no longer working there.

He got the sack because of repeated personal attacks, such as the Cavanagh incident or his comments about David Gough at half time of the final. Joe might think that these are a bit of fun but it can't be nice for these guys having to go to work the following day after comments like those on national TV. RTE were correct to clamp down on it and I thought it was embarrassing that the OTB guys failed to challenge him on his rhetoric

If the lads in question have gotten over it why can't you??!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on January 16, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.

Nope, he peddles blatant mistruths to further his agenda and it can be extremely vindictive and nasty too. I won't divulge much into his personal life but you can probably find a lot of answers there too.

So much hatred, poison and obsession. Such a cheap shot to leave hanging. Haters are gonna hate... Tyronies need to let it go.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 16, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 15, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.

Nope, he peddles blatant mistruths to further his agenda and it can be extremely vindictive and nasty too. I won't divulge much into his personal life but you can probably find a lot of answers there too.

So much hatred, poison and obsession. Such a cheap shot to leave hanging. Haters are gonna hate... Tyronies need to let it go.

Brolly is the expert in hatred, poison and obsession. I think the guy should look at his own life before moralising and pontificating about others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 16, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Brolly puts his real name to what he writes
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Brolly puts his real name to what he writes

A pity he wouldn't put real names to the stories he fabricates when he does a hatchet on individuals in the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on January 16, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Brolly puts his real name to what he writes

A pity he wouldn't put real names to the stories he fabricates when he does a hatchet on individuals in the GAA.

Angelo you're more obsessed with brolly than piers morgan is about meghan markle. I know meghan shot piers down once but what did brolly do to you that you're taking it so personally?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dublin7 on January 16, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
Its a bit scary the anger/hatred some posters have for Brolly.

I watched his interview on OTB on youtube and enjoyed it. Agree totally with him in terms of shortening inter county season. Clearly doesn't take himself too serious and looking forward to seeing him on Eir
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 16, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
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Brolly puts his real name to what he writes

A pity he wouldn't put real names to the stories he fabricates when he does a hatchet on individuals in the GAA.

Angelo you're more obsessed with brolly than piers morgan is about meghan markle. I know meghan shot piers down once but what did brolly do to you that you're taking it so personally?

It's bizarre the way the Derry lads are rallying around Brolly after he has being outed as a self-obsessed, narcissistic hypocrite.

I don't take anything that Brolly did personally. I just judge him on his actions and words and they don't convey him as a very pleasant man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on January 16, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 16, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Brolly puts his real name to what he writes

A pity he wouldn't put real names to the stories he fabricates when he does a hatchet on individuals in the GAA.

Angelo you're more obsessed with brolly than piers morgan is about meghan markle. I know meghan shot piers down once but what did brolly do to you that you're taking it so personally?

It's bizarre the way the Derry lads are rallying around Brolly after he has being outed as a self-obsessed, narcissistic hypocrite.

I don't take anything that Brolly did personally. I just judge him on his actions and words and they don't convey him as a very pleasant man.

But but but but he donated a kidney so that automatically excuses from anything he says and he's supposedly only 'playing a character' on tv.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MayoBuck on January 16, 2020, 10:27:24 PM
Personally I couldn't stand Brolly on the Sunday Game. He made it extremely difficult for other pundits to have their say, constantly cutting across them and interrupting the presenters as well. It made for very uncomfortable viewing. That's before you get into his bizarre spiteful rants against mcgeeney, Cavanagh, gough's red card decision and many others. RTE is better for his absence.

The likes of today's off the ball is fine where he can just talk away on his own without anyone challenging his nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 16, 2020, 11:47:53 PM
Some people take him far too seriously. He is a contradictory figure who I find myself loving and hating in equal measures but you never really know what you are going to get from him. A TV studio with limited speaking time does not suit Brolly at all, I found him much more engaging and less irritable in a podcast/radio format where he can just bladder away freely. He doesn't like being challenged and it is why the Sunday Game format increasingly did not suit him especially after Michael Lyster retired.

What happened Hugh Cahill on 2FM, thought he was a very good host of Game On on 2FM but he seems to have disappeared off the airwaves and the show hasn't been the same since.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on January 16, 2020, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 16, 2020, 11:47:53 PM

What happened Hugh Cahill on 2FM, thought he was a very good host of Game On on 2FM but he seems to have disappeared off the airwaves and the show hasn't been the same since.

I was wondering that myself. Alan Cawley and Gary Murphy were good in the studio alongside him too. I don't listen to it now at all since it's new format. Gone to the dogs altogether.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on January 17, 2020, 12:17:11 AM

The Joe man spoke a lot this week about the value of the GAA and the fun he had working for RTE. One thing he didn't do was make a single argument to rationalise why he should have been retained or to outline what he brings to "analysis" around games. It looks to me that RTE have decided that talking nonsense and relaying mostly fabricated and unrelated tales is no longer what they want to provide around games under the name of professional insight.

The SKY approach has shown RTE up and they finally realise that the typical GAA person is as interested in informed analysis as any other sports fan. That's a point Joe has still failed to grasp - no matter how entertainlingly he reasons otherwise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 17, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 16, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 15, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
Brolly a legend hes not afraid to speak his voice.

He's a good man to talk the talk but nowhere near man enough to walk it.

Really Bomber? Aside from the Eir Sports gig, have a wee think about that sentence in bold

Aside from Eir Sports?????

I thought this in particular was scandalous and just sums Brolly up - vindictive, spiteful and nasty. A man who will make up any old nonsense just to settle scores.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/jamie-clarke-defends-relationship-with-kieran-mcgeeney-after-joe-brolly-criticism-738492.html

OK, we agree he can be all those things, vindictive, nasty and spiteful, as shown in the example above, but 'but nowhere near man enough to walk it'. The man gave one of his kidneys ffs.
The state of you Tyrone boys and Joe Brolly  ;D

So what?

It doesn't excuse some of the poisonous things he has completely fabricated in recent years to settle scores.

Yeah, covered under' vindictive'. You Tyrone boys are obsessed with Brolly

And a past act from Brolly does not excuse the nasty and spiteful jibes he has put forward over the past few years, many of which he has based on complete fabrications.

He is a nasty character.

Brolly is a very generous and benevolent person as shown by giving a kidney to save a life and all the work he does for organ donation. He's really passionate about football but hates cheating and defensive crap football. Hence why Tyrone have come in for a lot of criticism from him. He calls it as it is though and he will be missed on rte.

Nope, he peddles blatant mistruths to further his agenda and it can be extremely vindictive and nasty too. I won't divulge much into his personal life but you can probably find a lot of answers there too.

So much hatred, poison and obsession. Such a cheap shot to leave hanging. Haters are gonna hate... Tyronies need to let it go.

Feck me there's as much whining from the Derry (And Armagh as it happens!!)  posters about Tyrone ones disliking their wee Joe. It's equally as cringworthy as some of the comments on Joe. Some people don't like him. Not the end of the world lads. While I'm sure Joe admires your staunch defense of his name, I'd also say he doesn't give one iota of a sh!te to what is posted on T'internet about him.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on January 17, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Listened to his interview where he was pressed on his double standards. He was asked if he would ever work for Sky, now that he had done his u-turn on Eir. He didn't rule it out, but only, says he, if Sky agree to allow hospitals to broadcast the games for free because that is "huge" for him.

Talk about a desperate attempt to cling to his moral high ground despite having just willfully slid down from it. An absolute bulls****er.

Why does he only require Sky to offer their match broadcasts free to hospitals before he'd work for them? Why doesn't he require that from Eir too?

One suspects if Sky came looking for him first, he'd have lept at it and no doubt righteously proclaimed that he would never work with Eir unless they offered their broadcasts to hospitals for free.

The fact of the matter is, if you are prepared to accept a role on a pay-per-view channel, you forfeit your right to use the 'but what about those in hospital' line. You can't ride both those horses at the same time, Joe. You look silly trying to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.

Is there?

The hurling championship is effectively ringfenced for 9 counties. It's a bit of a joke now where it's highly likely teams could meet at 3 different stages of the Championship.

I'm critical of the Super 8 platform, the hurling Championship starts off on pretty much a Super 8 platform, you have four provinces amalgamated into two and a load of games that effectively mean nothing.

As for hurling itself, doesn't do a lot for me as a spectacle, quite aimless with teams just driving the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, as much as RTE wish to hype it up I don't really care for it.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.

Is there?

The hurling championship is effectively ringfenced for 9 counties. It's a bit of a joke now where it's highly likely teams could meet at 3 different stages of the Championship.

I'm critical of the Super 8 platform, the hurling Championship starts off on pretty much a Super 8 platform, you have four provinces amalgamated into two and a load of games that effectively mean nothing.

As for hurling itself, doesn't do a lot for me as a spectacle, quite aimless with teams just driving the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, as much as RTE wish to hype it up I don't really care for it.

You don't understand it, that's fine.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.

Is there?

The hurling championship is effectively ringfenced for 9 counties. It's a bit of a joke now where it's highly likely teams could meet at 3 different stages of the Championship.

I'm critical of the Super 8 platform, the hurling Championship starts off on pretty much a Super 8 platform, you have four provinces amalgamated into two and a load of games that effectively mean nothing.

As for hurling itself, doesn't do a lot for me as a spectacle, quite aimless with teams just driving the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, as much as RTE wish to hype it up I don't really care for it.

You don't understand it, that's fine.

I understand it a little too well for yourself, unfortunately.

The hurling championship is proliferation of meaningless matches that only has popularity in one province.

The sheep on this island have, as usual, bought into the hype and propaganda RTE have sold them. They made it work for rugby football and they've made it work for hurling too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.

Is there?

The hurling championship is effectively ringfenced for 9 counties. It's a bit of a joke now where it's highly likely teams could meet at 3 different stages of the Championship.

I'm critical of the Super 8 platform, the hurling Championship starts off on pretty much a Super 8 platform, you have four provinces amalgamated into two and a load of games that effectively mean nothing.

As for hurling itself, doesn't do a lot for me as a spectacle, quite aimless with teams just driving the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, as much as RTE wish to hype it up I don't really care for it.

You don't understand it, that's fine.

I understand it a little too well for yourself, unfortunately.

The hurling championship is proliferation of meaningless matches that only has popularity in one province.

The sheep on this island have, as usual, bought into the hype and propaganda RTE have sold them. They made it work for rugby football and they've made it work for hurling too.

Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey Mickey Harte rather than human beings!"

Acts 5:29
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 11:24:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 17, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: shawshank on January 17, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
How has the sky approached showed RTE up, nobodies watching  Sky, the figures back it up?🧐

RTE hardly cover any football. It's a hurling station, f**k them.

There's far more competitive games in the Hurling, especially in the early weeks of the championship. That's not RTÉ's fault.

Is there?

The hurling championship is effectively ringfenced for 9 counties. It's a bit of a joke now where it's highly likely teams could meet at 3 different stages of the Championship.

I'm critical of the Super 8 platform, the hurling Championship starts off on pretty much a Super 8 platform, you have four provinces amalgamated into two and a load of games that effectively mean nothing.

As for hurling itself, doesn't do a lot for me as a spectacle, quite aimless with teams just driving the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, as much as RTE wish to hype it up I don't really care for it.

You don't understand it, that's fine.

I understand it a little too well for yourself, unfortunately.

The hurling championship is proliferation of meaningless matches that only has popularity in one province.

The sheep on this island have, as usual, bought into the hype and propaganda RTE have sold them. They made it work for rugby football and they've made it work for hurling too.

Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey Mickey Harte rather than human beings!"

Acts 5:29

Unlike the Derry lads, there is freedom to think in Tyrone.

You are chasing your tail around here trying to defend a bullshitter that has stitched you and your naive sidekicks up like a kipper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 11:28:13 AM
It's gas the way the Derry lads obsess over Mickey Harte on a Joe Brolly thread and then claim its Tyrone lads who are obsessed.

Contradicting themselves must be their favourite hobby.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
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It's good to see Tyronies obsessing over Brolly he lives rent free in your head!!

Now would be the point where I ask where I defended him... I didn't!

He's wrong of course he's wrong on this but lets not pretend he's the only person ever to make a U turn as you sit up on your high horse judging because he's told a few home truths about Tyrone over the years.

You should read John 8:7
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southtyronegael on January 17, 2020, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D
you Talkin about me? Lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 17, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
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It's good to see Tyronies obsessing over Brolly he lives rent free in your head!!

Now would be the point where I ask where I defended him... I didn't!

He's wrong of course he's wrong on this but lets not pretend he's the only person ever to make a U turn as you sit up on your high horse judging because he's told a few home truths about Tyrone over the years.

You should read John 8:7

You're defending him and obsessing on here about Mickey Harte (on a Joe Brolly thread discussing a Joe Brolly matter) when you're doing it.

The sad think about you Derry lads is that you're not even bright enough to realise when ye are contradicting yourselves
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
The football competition pool is shallow now too. Both the same in that regard. Only Dublin will win and only Kerry, Tyrone or mayo(and probably not for much longer) will get anywhere near them. In football sure you could meet three times too but with the super eights twice is going to happen a lot so those criticisms are the same for both really.

Each to their own with what you are interested in but most of your criticisms of hurling could be applied to football too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
The football competition pool is shallow now too. Both the same in that regard. Only Dublin will win and only Kerry, Tyrone or mayo(and probably not for much longer) will get anywhere near them. In football sure you could meet three times too but with the super eights twice is going to happen a lot so those criticisms are the same for both really.

Each to their own with what you are interested in but most of your criticisms of hurling could be applied to football too.

It depends on the metrics you measure it.

Hurling doesn't have a Dublin to contend with, they don't have a county with by far the biggest population on the island, where the sport is huge, is being heavily bankrolled and prioritised by the governing organisation, who play all their Championship games on their de facto home ground.

Hurling in Dublin is an afterthought, pretty much all their best players go for football.

I vehemently oppose the Super 8s as I think they make a mockery of the Championship and turn it into a farce and if the Super 8s make a mockery on the football, it's only minuscule in what the restructured hurling championship makes of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Hurling in Dublin is pretty strong. Yes it comes second but it's not bad. They have won Leinster and one year they wouldn't have been far off the best in Ireland.

The metrics were shallow pool and repetition. Dublin are way stronger but there are still limited teams capable of competing at the top level in football. It's a shallow pool in both. It can get repetitive in both.

I would agree on the super 8s. The super 8s and the Munster hurling layout are both things I would not be in favour of.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Hurling in Dublin is pretty strong. Yes it comes second but it's not bad. They have won Leinster and one year they wouldn't have been far off the best in Ireland.

The metrics were shallow pool and repetition. Dublin are way stronger but there are still limited teams capable of competing at the top level in football. It's a shallow pool in both. It can get repetitive in both.

I would agree on the super 8s. The super 8s and the Munster hurling layout are both things I would not be in favour of.

Hurling in Dublin is pretty strong? About as strong as it is in Mayo or Tyrone in relative terms. It has about 14 times the population of these counties and has impacted as strongly on the hurling Championship as someone like Wexford would have on the football Championship.

I wouldn't agree with that at all, take Dublin out of the mix and I don't think there's a whole pile to choose from the top 10/12 counties, last year was quite competitive in the Super 8s Dublin aside.

Roscommon and Cork tested Tyrone.
Meath held their own for the majority of all their games.
Armagh nearly pipped Mayo.
Derry gave Tyrone a bit of a scare in Ulster.

What last year proved to us is Dublin are still way ahead of the rest but the third tier counties (eg Roscommon, Cork, Meath, Armagh etc) were able to close the gap on the second tier counties (Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo etc).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

The difference is the GAA created a monster in Dublin GAA that no other county can match it in football. Prior to this you had counties like Wexford and Fermanagh in All Ireland semi finals. You had counties like Sligo well able to put it up to any team in the country, you had Laois and Westmeath clinching provincial glory.

The GAA has created a monster in Dublin GAA, if there was a hurling county with a 1.5m population and it was bankrolled by the GAA you'd have more severe issues in hurling than football.

I look at football now, I don't see it any less healthy in Ulster and Connacht. Munster is a joke like it has always been, it's a hurling province with one football county and it's always been a procession for Kerry, always.

Leinster football is where the real damage has occurred. The growth of Dublin has killed off the other counties.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on January 17, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Aye always a procession for Kerry in Munster, as in like, always.

Except the five times in the last 18 years its been won by Cork, and over 30 times in total. No procession in those years and it wont be next year either!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

The difference is the GAA created a monster in Dublin GAA that no other county can match it in football. Prior to this you had counties like Wexford and Fermanagh in All Ireland semi finals. You had counties like Sligo well able to put it up to any team in the country, you had Laois and Westmeath clinching provincial glory.

The GAA has created a monster in Dublin GAA, if there was a hurling county with a 1.5m population and it was bankrolled by the GAA you'd have more severe issues in hurling than football.

I look at football now, I don't see it any less healthy in Ulster and Connacht. Munster is a joke like it has always been, it's a hurling province with one football county and it's always been a procession for Kerry, always.

Leinster football is where the real damage has occurred. The growth of Dublin has killed off the other counties.

That's hardly hurlings fault.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 17, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Aye always a procession for Kerry in Munster, as in like, always.

Except the five times in the last 18 years its been won by Cork, and over 30 times in total. No procession in those years and it wont be next year either!

No county has won provincial titles more than Kerry have won Munster. They have 81 provincial titles, that's more than the combined amount of the other 5 Munster counties who stand at 50 as a cumulative total.

Clare in 1992 are the only county to have a Munster football championship outside of Kerry and Cork in the past 85 years.

If the Munster football has not been a procession historically then you must not know the meaning of the word.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

The difference is the GAA created a monster in Dublin GAA that no other county can match it in football. Prior to this you had counties like Wexford and Fermanagh in All Ireland semi finals. You had counties like Sligo well able to put it up to any team in the country, you had Laois and Westmeath clinching provincial glory.

The GAA has created a monster in Dublin GAA, if there was a hurling county with a 1.5m population and it was bankrolled by the GAA you'd have more severe issues in hurling than football.

I look at football now, I don't see it any less healthy in Ulster and Connacht. Munster is a joke like it has always been, it's a hurling province with one football county and it's always been a procession for Kerry, always.

Leinster football is where the real damage has occurred. The growth of Dublin has killed off the other counties.

That's hardly hurlings fault.

Hurling's problem is its limited popularity in terms of playing numbers.

Luckily for them there is agenda by the free state's national broadcaster and the media to shove it down people's throats, just like rugby. I don't really care for it, I don't find incredibly exciting or skillful.

The issue for football is the GAA's handling of Dublin GAA, how they let it get out of hand and how little that has been done to tackle it.

As a population base, it is far, far too big. Splitting it into three teams is the only solution, changing the rules with black cards, sin bins, marks, advanced marks, kicking tees, limiting hand passes, two referees, reducing to 13 a side won't change a thing and only damages the game itself.

They need to tackle the inequality of the Championship - namely Dublin and the rest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

The difference is the GAA created a monster in Dublin GAA that no other county can match it in football. Prior to this you had counties like Wexford and Fermanagh in All Ireland semi finals. You had counties like Sligo well able to put it up to any team in the country, you had Laois and Westmeath clinching provincial glory.

The GAA has created a monster in Dublin GAA, if there was a hurling county with a 1.5m population and it was bankrolled by the GAA you'd have more severe issues in hurling than football.

I look at football now, I don't see it any less healthy in Ulster and Connacht. Munster is a joke like it has always been, it's a hurling province with one football county and it's always been a procession for Kerry, always.

Leinster football is where the real damage has occurred. The growth of Dublin has killed off the other counties.

That's hardly hurlings fault.

Hurling's problem is its limited popularity in terms of playing numbers.

Luckily for them there is agenda by the free state's national broadcaster and the media to shove it down people's throats, just like rugby. I don't really care for it, I don't find incredibly exciting or skillful.

The issue for football is the GAA's handling of Dublin GAA, how they let it get out of hand and how little that has been done to tackle it.

As a population base, it is far, far too big. Splitting it into three teams is the only solution, changing the rules with black cards, sin bins, marks, advanced marks, kicking tees, limiting hand passes, two referees, reducing to 13 a side won't change a thing and only damages the game itself.

They need to tackle the inequality of the Championship - namely Dublin and the rest.

Ah here now, away and behave yourself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Angelo there are many far more competitive games in the hurling. Unlike the football we don't know up front who is going to win it. Also as Jc said the earlier games are more competitive. Football early on bar a game or two in Ulster is basically a dance in preparation for the big stuff.

The most obsessed with Micky Harte are two particular boys from Tyrone in the Tyrone thread. It's actually pretty unhealthy and brings out a bit of nastiness.

Yes joe brolly is a bit of a gobshite but as usual you have went a bit far ;D

They might be competitive games but its proliferation, it's just repetition. Had the result in one of the hurling semi finals went the other way last year we would have had Tipp and Limerick meeting in Championship for the third time in 3 months or Kilkenny and Wexford meeting in Championship in 3 months. I don't find the game engaging, I think its flogged to death and the competition pool is shallow.


In the last 10 years there's been 5 different AI hurling champions. Include Cork and Waterford who've reached AI finals and hence have been competitive enough to get to the final.

There's 7 out of the 10 teams involved in the Liam McCarthy and whilst they can play each other in the round robin, Munster/Leinster finals and then semi-finals/finals it's actually a even enough split that the outcomes are different. E.G. Tipp beat Limerick in the RR but Limerick beat them in the Munster final..


In the last 10 years there's been 4 different AI football winners, and another three counties who've made it to the final, Down, Tyrone and Mayo. so being kind the competition pool is every bit as shallow in the football as hurling.

Allowing 30 odd teams to "compete" for the AI football final is just an illusion and leads to one sided hammerings which the viewing public have turned away from.

Us from counties involved with hurling further down the scale don't live in cloud cuckoo land like the footballers in the vast majority of counties.

The difference is the GAA created a monster in Dublin GAA that no other county can match it in football. Prior to this you had counties like Wexford and Fermanagh in All Ireland semi finals. You had counties like Sligo well able to put it up to any team in the country, you had Laois and Westmeath clinching provincial glory.

The GAA has created a monster in Dublin GAA, if there was a hurling county with a 1.5m population and it was bankrolled by the GAA you'd have more severe issues in hurling than football.

I look at football now, I don't see it any less healthy in Ulster and Connacht. Munster is a joke like it has always been, it's a hurling province with one football county and it's always been a procession for Kerry, always.

Leinster football is where the real damage has occurred. The growth of Dublin has killed off the other counties.

That's hardly hurlings fault.

Hurling's problem is its limited popularity in terms of playing numbers.

Luckily for them there is agenda by the free state's national broadcaster and the media to shove it down people's throats, just like rugby. I don't really care for it, I don't find incredibly exciting or skillful.

The issue for football is the GAA's handling of Dublin GAA, how they let it get out of hand and how little that has been done to tackle it.

As a population base, it is far, far too big. Splitting it into three teams is the only solution, changing the rules with black cards, sin bins, marks, advanced marks, kicking tees, limiting hand passes, two referees, reducing to 13 a side won't change a thing and only damages the game itself.

They need to tackle the inequality of the Championship - namely Dublin and the rest.

Ah here now, away and behave yourself.

If you don't like the facts then so be it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
The best system would be a straight 32 team knockout that gives smaller counties a chance via luck of the draw.Alternatively  you can have a 2nd chance system so teams are guaranteed two games the 16 losers play each other the losers are eliminated.The winners from 1 play each other then the losers from the winners group then play the winners from the round 1 losers the 8 winners from that join the 8 winners in the last 16 then we play on from there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
Angelo a fact seems to mean something different to you than it does to anyone else ;D

Bs Munster will likely be a procession next year too. As will Leinster. Ulster likely between tyrone Donegal barring a big surprise and if mayo / Galway are prepped they'll win Connacht but it always looks like they prep for later in the year.

There is more than one issue with football. Super 8s are an issue. Professionalism levels. Drop off rates in most counties. How to combat the defensive dirge we are seeing too much these days. Mercenary coaches. The list goes on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
Angelo a fact seems to mean something different to you than it does to anyone else ;D

Bs Munster will likely be a procession next year too. As will Leinster. Ulster likely between tyrone Donegal barring a big surprise and if mayo / Galway are prepped they'll win Connacht but it always looks like they prep for later in the year.

There is more than one issue with football. Super 8s are an issue. Professionalism levels. Drop off rates in most counties. How to combat the defensive dirge we are seeing too much these days. Mercenary coaches. The list goes on.

Nope, Munster has always been a procession (the facts verify that), there is nothing new there. Kerry were parachuted into the last 8 or 4 before that most years.

Leinster has turned into a joke because Dublin just batter anyone that crosses their path.

Connacht is competitive as it generally has been, Sligo have fallen back badly in the past decade but other than that it's generally competitive.

Ulster is still competitive. The likes of Derry, Armagh and Down are improving incrementally from a few years back.

The biggest issue is competitiveness, I can see why it's hard to justify the commitment unless you play for the top 4/5 counties. I'd imagine most Div 2 counties and some Div 3 counties will feel they could topple a Mayo/Kerry/Tyrone/Donegal on a given day but know all that awaits for them against Dublin is a merciless hammering. That's the biggest issue facing players today.

A lot of young lads will be working jobs and spending 10-15 hours of their lives in a gym on top of that, purely out of their own interests. Middle aged men will be working demanding jobs and then spending 10 hours at the weekend cycling around roads. Other chaps will want to do different things with their lives.

The main issue is players can't aim big when there is such a imbalance in the competing teams and that erodes the output for their input.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Blowitupref on January 17, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
Angelo a fact seems to mean something different to you than it does to anyone else ;D

Bs Munster will likely be a procession next year too. As will Leinster. Ulster likely between tyrone Donegal barring a big surprise and if mayo / Galway are prepped they'll win Connacht but it always looks like they prep for later in the year.

There is more than one issue with football. Super 8s are an issue. Professionalism levels. Drop off rates in most counties. How to combat the defensive dirge we are seeing too much these days. Mercenary coaches. The list goes on.

Just a tad disrespectful to Roscommon who have won 2 of the last 3 Connacht titles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 05:30:16 PM
I don't mean to be but when it comes to the business end only Galway and mayo are ever there.though you're right probably a bit harsh.

Down, Derry and Armagh may be improving Angelo but Tyrone are miles ahead of them and so are Donegal. Monaghan can challenge Tyrone but seem more likely to be caught by other teams.

Basically Leinster is Dublin, Ulster is Tyrone, Donegal or monaghan(who I suspect will drop off), Connacht is Galway/ mayo / Roscommon and Munster is Kerry with an outside chance cork will come good.  The ai is Dublin. (Of those teams Monaghan, Roscommon and cork tend to drop off later in the year and really Donegal do a bit too. Add to that jury still out on Galway.)

That leaves one winner and really about three competitive teams.

To be honest it has become like the hurling - when you are off the pace you are really off the pace and
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Blowitupref on January 17, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 05:30:16 PM
I don’t mean to be but when it comes to the business end only Galway and mayo are ever there.though you’re right probably a bit harsh.

Down, Derry and Armagh may be improving Angelo but Tyrone are miles ahead of them and so are Donegal. Monaghan can challenge Tyrone but seem more likely to be caught by other teams.

Basically Leinster is Dublin, Ulster is Tyrone, Donegal or monaghan(who I suspect will drop off), Connacht is Galway/ mayo / Roscommon and Munster is Kerry with an outside chance cork will come good.  The ai is Dublin. (Of those teams Monaghan, Roscommon and cork tend to drop off later in the year and really Donegal do a bit too. Add to that jury still out on Galway.)

That leaves one winner and really about three competitive teams.

To be honest it has become like the hurling - when you are off the pace you are really off the pace and

Galway reached their first AI semi final in 2018 for 17 years, "always prepped for later in year"?

Last two summers Mayo didn't look that well prepped for the latter stages of the championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 05:57:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 05:30:16 PM
I don't mean to be but when it comes to the business end only Galway and mayo are ever there.though you're right probably a bit harsh.

Down, Derry and Armagh may be improving Angelo but Tyrone are miles ahead of them and so are Donegal. Monaghan can challenge Tyrone but seem more likely to be caught by other teams.

Basically Leinster is Dublin, Ulster is Tyrone, Donegal or monaghan(who I suspect will drop off), Connacht is Galway/ mayo / Roscommon and Munster is Kerry with an outside chance cork will come good.  The ai is Dublin. (Of those teams Monaghan, Roscommon and cork tend to drop off later in the year and really Donegal do a bit too. Add to that jury still out on Galway.)

That leaves one winner and really about three competitive teams.

To be honest it has become like the hurling - when you are off the pace you are really off the pace and

Not really. Fermanagh, Cavan and Down have contested three of the last Ulster finals. The gap is closing between the likes of Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal and the rest. Unfortunately the gap is not closing with Dublin and the rest.

Take Dublin out and it would be a competitive championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 06:07:31 PM
That's just the way the draw has worked out though. Cavan Fermanagh and down are not the same level as Tyrone or Donegal and nine times out of ten Monaghan would beat them but just appear to be a team that can be caught more than the other two.

It would be competitive between three or four yes I agree. You wouldn't have any more than that capable of winning though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 06:14:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 06:07:31 PM
That's just the way the draw has worked out though. Cavan Fermanagh and down are not the same level as Tyrone or Donegal and nine times out of ten Monaghan would beat them but just appear to be a team that can be caught more than the other two.

It would be competitive between three or four yes I agree. You wouldn't have any more than that capable of winning though.

They are still capable of beating Tyrone or Donegal on a given day or putting it up to them. That's competitive for me.

Monaghan have been beaten by Down, Fermanagh and Cavan in the last three seasons.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on January 17, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Aye always a procession for Kerry in Munster, as in like, always.

Except the five times in the last 18 years its been won by Cork, and over 30 times in total. No procession in those years and it wont be next year either!
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No county has won provincial titles more than Kerry have won Munster. They have 81 provincial titles, that's more than the combined amount of the other 5 Munster counties who stand at 50 as a cumulative total.

Clare in 1992 are the only county to have a Munster football championship outside of Kerry and Cork in the past 85 years.

If the Munster football has not been a procession historically then you must not know the meaning of the word.
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Statistically you're a fair bit out Angelo.

Antrim have won more provincial championships than anyone....57 hurling against a combined total of 13 amongst the other Ulster Counties. 57 out of 70 runnings of the competition is a higher stat (80%) than Kerry's 81 out of 131 runnings (61%). But hi thats ONLY hurling, isnt it!

On this basis which Ulster county has the most senior provincial honours of all in combined codes.....lol...lol.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 06:20:24 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 17, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Aye always a procession for Kerry in Munster, as in like, always.

Except the five times in the last 18 years its been won by Cork, and over 30 times in total. No procession in those years and it wont be next year either!

No county has won provincial titles more than Kerry have won Munster. They have 81 provincial titles, that's more than the combined amount of the other 5 Munster counties who stand at 50 as a cumulative total.

Clare in 1992 are the only county to have a Munster football championship outside of Kerry and Cork in the past 85 years.

If the Munster football has not been a procession historically then you must not know the meaning of the word.
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Statistically you're a fair bit out Angelo.

Antrim have won more provincial championships than anyone....57 hurling against a combined total of 13 amongst the other Ulster Counties. 57 out of 70 runnings of the competition is a higher stat (80%) than Kerry's 81 out of 131 runnings (61%). But hi thats ONLY hurling, isnt it!

On this basis which Ulster county has the most senior provincial honours of all in combined codes.....lol...lol.
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I'm talking about football and you're talking about hurling. Ulster hurling was such a procession for Antrim that they scrapped it and bundled Antrim into a different province.

You're only serving to further my point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 17, 2020, 06:14:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 17, 2020, 06:07:31 PM
That's just the way the draw has worked out though. Cavan Fermanagh and down are not the same level as Tyrone or Donegal and nine times out of ten Monaghan would beat them but just appear to be a team that can be caught more than the other two.

It would be competitive between three or four yes I agree. You wouldn't have any more than that capable of winning though.

They are still capable of beating Tyrone or Donegal on a given day or putting it up to them. That's competitive for me.

Monaghan have been beaten by Down, Fermanagh and Cavan in the last three seasons.

They're not capable of beating Tyrone or Donegal. When was the last time Tyrone were put out of Ulster by a team that wasn't Donegal or Monaghan? I am not one hundred percent in the answer but suspect you would go back years and the day Derry beat them was an anomaly.

Nine times out of ten Monaghan beat those teams.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on January 17, 2020, 06:32:42 PM
Yes I can accept that the flow of the conversation was based on football stats, but in the interest of your statement about which county has the highest percentage of provincial  dominance being specifically accurate you were wrong. It's ok though, your main point still remains valid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 17, 2020, 08:50:39 PM
Joe will be really p!ssed off that the thread has moved away from him. Could we all just refocus.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 17, 2020, 11:20:42 PM
I was brought to a state beyond tears of deep sadness reading about Joe's account of experiencing deep hurt by RTE's decision to axe him.
Although Joe did have some happy memories with RTE  "But I loved the public conversation, don't get me wrong"
Though Joe can rest assured on that ,  I'm sure there's not one member of the public who doubted that Joe loved the limelight of the public conversation.

"I was surprised by how enthusiastic I was when I got the call from eir. I didn't expect to get a call from anybody. And when I got the call, I could feel instinctively that I'd like to do it."
You see, it just goes to show that the call will come.  If you have the  phone  - the call will come.   regardless if you check your phone every 5 seconds over a one month period just  to make sure it's working,  the call will come.
It's said that Joe was in a restaurant when he took the call from Eir, all of a sudden he went all strange, fellow patrons were even reminded of Meg Ryan as he  kept repeating --  Yes Yess Yesss.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: greatpoint on January 17, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
What are all of these slanderous rumours supposedly doing the rounds about Jim Gavin?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on January 18, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 17, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
What are all of these slanderous rumours supposedly doing the rounds about Jim Gavin?

I wouldn't say there is much to them.

If there is, it might be another reddener for screenexile though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2020, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 17, 2020, 08:50:39 PM
Joe will be really p!ssed off that the thread has moved away from him. Could we all just refocus.

I enjoyed his OTB interview.

The four month intercounty season was an interesting proposal, although as he conceded, one with zero chance of being implemented.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: greatpoint on January 18, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 18, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 17, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
What are all of these slanderous rumours supposedly doing the rounds about Jim Gavin?

I wouldn't say there is much to them.

If there is, it might be another reddener for screenexile though.

I'd say you're right. Fairly tenuous it seems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: pbat on February 03, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
I see twitter in uproar over Colm O Rourke's pansy boy comment last night. Wonder how RTE will react to this. David Gough outraged. Will Colm see the axe, if it was Joe the fake outrage would be unreal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 03, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
I see twitter in uproar over Colm O Rourke's pansy boy comment last night. Wonder how RTE will react to this. David Gough outraged. Will Colm see the axe, if it was Joe the fake outrage would be unreal.

Gough tagged RTE Head of Sport into his tweet accusing O'Rourke of homophobia. The only possible inference is that he's trying to get Colm sacked. I can't see this playing out well in Meath.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 03, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
I see twitter in uproar over Colm O Rourke's pansy boy comment last night. Wonder how RTE will react to this. David Gough outraged. Will Colm see the axe, if it was Joe the fake outrage would be unreal.

Not that I would like to see it but if Colm doesnt get the road serious questions have to be asked at RTE.

While it is an old school/ignorant/disgraceful comment (delete as applicable) in this day an age its hard to see how he gets away from it.

If the 'outrage' continues his media career as a whole could be in trouble
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on February 03, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl-vRWV8QU

O'Rourke is taken out of context. Back in his day there were only frees for such tackle. For once I agreed with Charlie Redmond at the weekend, he said the Jordan Flynn's tackle wasn't a red. The game is going soft as shit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 03, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
I've never linked the word pansy with someone who is gay.

A pansy to me is like a weakling, mummy's boy or a watery wee shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 03, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 03, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl-vRWV8QU

O'Rourke is taken out of context. Back in his day there were only frees for such tackle. For once I agreed with Charlie Redmond at the weekend, he said the Jordan Flynn's tackle wasn't a red. The game is going soft as shit.
We all know what he meant, but he should be clever enough to know that we can't use that type of phrase.
Very interesting that Gough has called him out, and it's a right mess now for RTE. I don't think they've much choice but to fire him.

Another thing though is that O'Rourke's analysis was completely wrong and actually misleading.
These fellas are not throwing themselves on the ground or exaggerating their falls because they are "pansys" or "unmanly" or whatever similar phrase you want to use.
You'll last no time at all at intercounty if you're actually soft.

They're going down because they are trying to con the ref into giving them a free, and if it results in a card to the opponent, then that's a bonus. It's pure cynicism and even cheating in some cases and it should be called out for what it is, without the need to compare said players to women or gay people!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
If David Gough really thinks that the term pansy is synonymous with being gay, he's not fit to be an elite referee.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: befair on February 03, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Always liked O'Rourke, but that was vulgar at best, homophobic at worst
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 03:59:50 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 03, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl-vRWV8QU

O'Rourke is taken out of context. Back in his day there were only frees for such tackle. For once I agreed with Charlie Redmond at the weekend, he said the Jordan Flynn's tackle wasn't a red. The game is going soft as shit.
We all know what he meant, but he should be clever enough to know that we can't use that type of phrase.
Very interesting that Gough has called him out, and it's a right mess now for RTE. I don't think they've much choice but to fire him.

Another thing though is that O'Rourke's analysis was completely wrong and actually misleading.
These fellas are not throwing themselves on the ground or exaggerating their falls because they are "pansys" or "unmanly" or whatever similar phrase you want to use.
You'll last no time at all at intercounty if you're actually soft.

They're going down because they are trying to con the ref into giving them a free, and if it results in a card to the opponent, then that's a bonus. It's pure cynicism and even cheating in some cases and it should be called out for what it is, without the need to compare said players to women or gay people!

Now you're comparing pansies to gay people. See where this leads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: befair on February 03, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Always liked O'Rourke, but that was vulgar at best, homophobic at worst

Ditto.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 03, 2020, 04:05:43 PM
No we're not.
Feigning ignorance is no defence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 04:07:58 PM
Ignorance of what exactly?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on February 03, 2020, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 03, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl-vRWV8QU

O'Rourke is taken out of context. Back in his day there were only frees for such tackle. For once I agreed with Charlie Redmond at the weekend, he said the Jordan Flynn's tackle wasn't a red. The game is going soft as shit.
We all know what he meant, but he should be clever enough to know that we can't use that type of phrase.
Very interesting that Gough has called him out, and it's a right mess now for RTE. I don't think they've much choice but to fire him.

Another thing though is that O'Rourke's analysis was completely wrong and actually misleading.
These fellas are not throwing themselves on the ground or exaggerating their falls because they are "pansys" or "unmanly" or whatever similar phrase you want to use.
You'll last no time at all at intercounty if you're actually soft.

They're going down because they are trying to con the ref into giving them a free, and if it results in a card to the opponent, then that's a bonus. It's pure cynicism and even cheating in some cases and it should be called out for what it is, without the need to compare said players to women or gay people!

Can O'Rourke not just apologise and everyone moves on? Why the need for the nuclear only option?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
O'Rourke and Gough have spoken privately. RTE have nothing further to say.

That's the end of that brief storm.

I admit that had it been Brolly we might have seen it swirl on for awhile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: pbat on February 03, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
UPDATE:

RTÉ have confirmed in a statement to SportsJOE that;

"It is RTÉ's understanding that Colm O'Rourke and David Gough have been in touch with each other privately on this matter."

The station has "no further comment" about the remarks made by O'Rourke.
4:04 pm · 3 Feb 2020·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
Great news. Compare and contrast the common sense of that with the "he must go!!!" ranters here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 03, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
UPDATE:

RTÉ have confirmed in a statement to SportsJOE that;

"It is RTÉ's understanding that Colm O'Rourke and David Gough have been in touch with each other privately on this matter."

The station has "no further comment" about the remarks made by O'Rourke.
4:04 pm · 3 Feb 2020·Twitter Web App

I certainly do not want to see Colm go as he is good at his job.

But the comment wasnt directed at Gough so how can they have no further comments to make because Colm had a private conversation with Gough?

If this was Brolly the pitchforks would be out.

Is Gough running the show now? He's a referee for feck sake. Thats it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on February 03, 2020, 04:24:22 PM
It is the correct decision and was taken out of context imo. Watched it live and did think at the time that the PC brigade would be out in force after it. RTE have however created this storm for themselves by setting a new bar for behaviour after firing Brolly and loading all of their sports programmes with vanilla pundits and extra women in the name of political correctness and trying to control their pundits in terms of what they can and can't say. Now people are jumping up and down looking for O'Rourke to go over something fairly trivial. It will just result in pundits becoming even more careful over what is acceptable to say.     
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Boy Wonder on February 03, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 03, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
I've never linked the word pansy with someone who is gay.

A pansy to me is like a weakling, mummy's boy or a watery wee shite.

Agree totally with above - storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on February 03, 2020, 04:38:51 PM
Joe was on his 3rd or 4th offense too while O'Rourke wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on February 03, 2020, 04:41:33 PM
What have we become that the word pansy upsets so many.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 03, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
It's bizarre that so many on here think "pansy" is acceptable to use in the context O'Rourke used it in!

Colm made a big mistake. He's acknowledged it and apologised for it and it would be very unfortunate to lose his job over it. However, actions speak louder than words, and with that, here's a very interesting tweet from David Gough from only two weeks ago, which is a far truer reflection of COR:

A huge thanks to Colm O'Rourke, principal, for inviting me back to my old school today, St. Pat's Navan, for their #mentalhealthweek delivering at talk on the importance of support and being an ally for fellow LGBTQI+  students
@BeLonG_To  @MeathGAA


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
It's bizarre that so many on here think "pansy" is acceptable to use in the context O'Rourke used it in!

Colm made a big mistake. He's acknowledged it and apologised for it and it would be very unfortunate to lose his job over it. However, actions speak louder than words, and with that, here's a very interesting tweet from David Gough from only two weeks ago, which is a far truer reflection of COR:

A huge thanks to Colm O'Rourke, principal, for inviting me back to my old school today, St. Pat's Navan, for their #mentalhealthweek delivering at talk on the importance of support and being an ally for fellow LGBTQI+  students
@BeLonG_To  @MeathGAA


And the next week he is tagging the head of sport in RTE in a complaint about Colm  :o ;D

Gough will only be able to referee in Croke Park going forward given the size of his ego
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 03, 2020, 07:47:36 PM
There are two contexts for the use of the word pansy besides the obvious flower. The context Colm used it in was in his familiar hobby horse, manliness on the football pitch. That's what I understood 100%. But perhaps Colm can adopt new words, trendy words likw snowflake. Gough could have contacted Colm personally and expressed his upset instead of going full blown outrage in public. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on February 03, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Is David Gough the official gatekeeper for the gay community in Ireland? Whatever about the word used, I would have thought it was more offensive that RTE think one gay man speaks on behalf of the whole community and can administer and absolve blame unilaterally.  "It's ok lads, huge relief, Colm has spoken to a gay man and has been given the all clear, we can move on, phew!!"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Is David Gough the official gatekeeper for the gay community in Ireland? Whatever about the word used, I would have thought it was more offensive that RTE think one gay man speaks on behalf of the whole community and can administer and absolve blame unilaterally.  "It's ok lads, huge relief, Colm has spoken to a gay man and has been given the all clear, we can move on, phew!!"

He is for the GAA community no matter if he likes it or not. To that end, I don't think Gough should get a hard time for anything here, a public backlash could really make young players or even players think twice about possibly coming out. The GAA needs to be embracing postiive criticism in this area and really going the extra mile to making itself more than inclusive. I don't think it's the worse thing in the world to say, but I'm willing to accept its off limits if it helps some man or woman in our sport.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 03, 2020, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Is David Gough the official gatekeeper for the gay community in Ireland? Whatever about the word used, I would have thought it was more offensive that RTE think one gay man speaks on behalf of the whole community and can administer and absolve blame unilaterally.  "It's ok lads, huge relief, Colm has spoken to a gay man and has been given the all clear, we can move on, phew!!"

He is for the GAA community no matter if he likes it or not. To that end, I don't think Gough should get a hard time for anything here, a public backlash could really make young players or even players think twice about possibly coming out. The GAA needs to be embracing postiive criticism in this area and really going the extra mile to making itself more than inclusive. I don't think it's the worse thing in the world to say, but I'm willing to accept its off limits if it helps some man or woman in our sport.

It isn't Gough's sexuality that's at issue here, but his ultimately embarrassing attempt to get his fellow countyman kicked off RTE for what was in the scheme of things a harmless remark. Despicable behaviour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on February 03, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Is David Gough the official gatekeeper for the gay community in Ireland? Whatever about the word used, I would have thought it was more offensive that RTE think one gay man speaks on behalf of the whole community and can administer and absolve blame unilaterally.  "It's ok lads, huge relief, Colm has spoken to a gay man and has been given the all clear, we can move on, phew!!"

Plus 1 to that. The Oxford Dictionary definition of pansy does not infer homosexuality. As one poster said, Gough should have contacted O Rourke personally. All this want to be offended lark is turning me off homosexuals. Hi jacked the rainbow now they've hijacked the pansy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on February 03, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 03, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
UPDATE:

RTÉ have confirmed in a statement to SportsJOE that;

"It is RTÉ's understanding that Colm O'Rourke and David Gough have been in touch with each other privately on this matter."

The station has "no further comment" about the remarks made by O'Rourke.
4:04 pm · 3 Feb 2020·Twitter Web App

I certainly do not want to see Colm go as he is good at his job.

But the comment wasnt directed at Gough so how can they have no further comments to make because Colm had a private conversation with Gough?

If this was Brolly the pitchforks would be out.

Is Gough running the show now? He's a referee for feck sake. Thats it

Is he? I can't remember the last time he made an insightful comment about football
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on February 03, 2020, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 03, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 03, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
UPDATE:

RTÉ have confirmed in a statement to SportsJOE that;

"It is RTÉ's understanding that Colm O'Rourke and David Gough have been in touch with each other privately on this matter."

The station has "no further comment" about the remarks made by O'Rourke.
4:04 pm · 3 Feb 2020·Twitter Web App

I certainly do not want to see Colm go as he is good at his job.

But the comment wasnt directed at Gough so how can they have no further comments to make because Colm had a private conversation with Gough?

If this was Brolly the pitchforks would be out.

Is Gough running the show now? He's a referee for feck sake. Thats it

Is he? I can't remember the last time he made an insightful comment about football

Agree with MacD here. Always felt he was stealing a living. He passed the criteria in Gaelic football for having a opinion - which is having an All Ireland medal.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 11:45:31 PM
The only thing O'Rourke offers is telling us what such tough men they were in his day and how Dublin and Kerry are the saviours of football.

He's a dinosaur.

On the matter itself, it's political correctness gone mad - nothing comment really. I didn't actually know pansy boy was a slur for gays, thought it was more for a chap who is a bit of a coward.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on February 03, 2020, 11:58:44 PM
It's political correctness gone haywire. It's quite ironic that the very liberals who protest for freedom of speech have, through their political correctness, effectively prohibited it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: Rudi on February 03, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Is David Gough the official gatekeeper for the gay community in Ireland? Whatever about the word used, I would have thought it was more offensive that RTE think one gay man speaks on behalf of the whole community and can administer and absolve blame unilaterally.  "It's ok lads, huge relief, Colm has spoken to a gay man and has been given the all clear, we can move on, phew!!"

Plus 1 to that. The Oxford Dictionary definition of pansy does not infer homosexuality. As one poster said, Gough should have contacted O Rourke personally. All this want to be offended lark is turning me off homosexuals. Hi jacked the rainbow now they've hijacked the pansy.

They also hijacked the word 'gay'.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on February 04, 2020, 01:00:34 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.
So where does calling someone a Big Girl's Blouse or a girly swot figure in terms of political incorrectness? Are they worse than Pansy Boy?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 04, 2020, 08:37:32 AM
O'Rourke has been writing national paper columns for 30 years now. If he really had nothing to say, he'd be gone decades ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on February 04, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
Quote from: five points on February 04, 2020, 08:37:32 AM
O'Rourke has been writing national paper columns for 30 years now. If he really had nothing to say, he'd be gone decades ago.

So has Pat Spillane.

They have nothing to say but they do have big reputations in the game, 12 all stars and 10 All Irelands between them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Truth hurts on February 04, 2020, 10:18:52 AM
Gough is the Greta Grunberg of the gay community these days ffs A phone call from Gough to Colm would have sorted this and its a storm in a tea cup.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 10:44:01 AM
Perhaps David's mood wasn't helped in that the game he reffed, Monaghan v Tyrone, was relegated to last place on the highlights program and only a few rushed images from the game were shown. Completely ignored was his highlight, his final flourish sending off 3 players from the same incident in added time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on February 04, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 10:44:01 AM
Perhaps David's mood wasn't helped in that the game he reffed, Monaghan v Tyrone, was relegated to last place on the highlights program and only a few rushed images from the game were shown. Completely ignored was his highlight, his final flourish sending off 3 players from the same incident in added time.

Second week in a row, actually. RTE retaliation against Tyrone boycott with boycott of its own, seems to be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on February 04, 2020, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.

Do you have any empirical evidence that that is the case?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Hopefully the school goers to Colm's school learn that context defines meaning. In a thread about addictions (elsewhere) I wrote about giving up the fags, cue a deluge of outrage from 4 or 5 US based members. I had to inform them that in the context of an addiction disussion, fags refers to cigarettes, not an insult to gays. But they were so rigidly stuck inside their pc box they did not relent. The admin usually very strict did not intervene.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Hopefully the school goers to Colm's school learn that context defines meaning. In a thread about addictions (elsewhere) I wrote about giving up the fags, cue a deluge of outrage from 4 or 5 US based members. I had to inform them that in the context of an addiction disussion, fags refers to cigarettes, not an insult to gays. But they were so rigidly stuck inside their pc box they did not relent. The admin usually very strict did not intervene.

Can you imagine the uproar if you'd posted a recipe for pork faggots? You'd have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 04, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Can you imagine the uproar if you'd posted a recipe for pork faggots? You'd have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!

Commonplace on English pub menus. And nobody even notices.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on February 04, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: five points on February 04, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Can you imagine the uproar if you'd posted a recipe for pork faggots? You'd have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!

Commonplace on English pub menus. And nobody even notices.

Oh no doubt its coming five points...........once there is nothing else to complain about
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on February 04, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 04, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: five points on February 04, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Can you imagine the uproar if you’d posted a recipe for pork faggots? You’d have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!

Commonplace on English pub menus. And nobody even notices.

Oh no doubt its coming five points...........once there is nothing else to complain about
you can't let activist groups dictate the language we use because they will not stop
think of it as part of Newton's law of motion '....... objects will remain in their state of motion unless a force acts to change the motion.'
once you surrender you choice of words you linit you thinking , that's the whole warning from 1984  .
these are Dangerous people 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 04, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Hopefully the school goers to Colm's school learn that context defines meaning. In a thread about addictions (elsewhere) I wrote about giving up the fags, cue a deluge of outrage from 4 or 5 US based members. I had to inform them that in the context of an addiction disussion, fags refers to cigarettes, not an insult to gays. But they were so rigidly stuck inside their pc box they did not relent. The admin usually very strict did not intervene.

Can you imagine the uproar if you'd posted a recipe for pork faggots? You'd have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!
;D
never knew that one,
Though I'm an inveterate vegetarian, If I weren't I wonder how I'd relish the prospect of eating Faggots and groaty dick, I read it's an acquired taste.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AFM on February 04, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 04, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 04, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: five points on February 04, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 02:13:13 PM
Can you imagine the uproar if you'd posted a recipe for pork faggots? You'd have got abuse from vegans, Muslims and the gays!

Commonplace on English pub menus. And nobody even notices.

Oh no doubt its coming five points...........once there is nothing else to complain about
you can't let activist groups dictate the language we use because they will not stop
think of it as part of Newton's law of motion '....... objects will remain in their state of motion unless a force acts to change the motion.'
once you surrender you choice of words you linit you thinking , that's the whole warning from 1984  .
these are Dangerous people

What happened opal fruits?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
They were always Opal Fruits to me!

But, apparently they are reverting back to Opal Fruits.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on February 04, 2020, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
They were always Opal Fruits to me!

But, apparently they are reverting back to Opal Fruits.
Is there something about a star burst that would upset the gays!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Westside on February 04, 2020, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on February 04, 2020, 01:00:34 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.
So where does calling someone a Big Girl's Blouse or a girly swot figure in terms of political incorrectness? Are they worse than Pansy Boy?

You want me to come up with a hierarchy? What a strange point to try to make.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 04, 2020, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 04, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
They were always Opal Fruits to me!

But, apparently they are reverting back to Opal Fruits.
Is there something about a star burst that would upset the gays!

I don't think so. Changing the name of Opal Fruits just rankles with me 37 years on  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on February 04, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2020, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on February 04, 2020, 01:00:34 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.
So where does calling someone a Big Girl's Blouse or a girly swot figure in terms of political incorrectness? Are they worse than Pansy Boy?

You want me to come up with a hierarchy? What a strange point to try to make.
The 2 terms I referred to were used by Boris Johnson to describe Jeremy Corbyn and David Cameron that's why I mentioned them. But I think it would be good if you were to produce a hierarchy of indignation. By the way your linking of this to suicide is pretty pathetic to be honest
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Westside on February 04, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
Boris Johnson... riiiight... I'll leave you to make up your own hierarchy of indignation if you please, for now I'll just focus on the topic in hand and what Colm O'Rourke said.

If you can't see the link between this sort of toxic view of what comprises masculinity and the massive mental health issues among young men in this country then you clearly have no understanding of the subject.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 05, 2020, 12:07:38 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
Boris Johnson... riiiight... I'll leave you to make up your own hierarchy of indignation if you please, for now I'll just focus on the topic in hand and what Colm O'Rourke said.

If you can't see the link between this sort of toxic view of what comprises masculinity and the massive mental health issues among young men in this country then you clearly have no understanding of the subject.
I do have some understanding of mental health issues and they have nothing to do with Colm's oft expressed virtue of manliness on the football pitch.
But I can give a list of a myriad of evidenced reasons which are attributed to affecting male mental health.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.

I find Westside's contribution bewildering - is he saying that homophobia (alleged in this instance) is a big issue but at the same time implying that ageism is not an issue ? I'm not up to speed on what is politically correct and what is not so maybe Westside might clarify this. I'm being quite serious here - I recently learned that one should not refer to people as Coloured but that Black is a politically correct term. Like myself, there's quite a section of the population who are oblivious to PC rules (and would like to stay that way if they had a choice).

Anyway, as another poster pointed out, context is critical when you look at Colm O'Rourke's comments which were offensive to some. What he said was said purely in the context of playing Gaelic Football. His audience would also, in the main, have been GAA enthusiasts. We know what he meant. Some on here have had a dig at his media performance. Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I respect the man and while not always agreeing with his viewpoints I would put him down as a very decent individual and certainly not someone who would intentionally set out to upset the Gay community.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on February 05, 2020, 03:20:55 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
Boris Johnson... riiiight... I'll leave you to make up your own hierarchy of indignation if you please, for now I'll just focus on the topic in hand and what Colm O'Rourke said.

If you can't see the link between this sort of toxic view of what comprises masculinity and the massive mental health issues among young men in this country then you clearly have no understanding of the subject.
I absolutely don't see any link between the comments Colm O'Rourke made and poor mental health. I can, mind you, see a link between those who create a 'snowflake' mentality cocooning young people from the realities and 'rough and tumble' of life thereby weakening  their natural resilience, and contributing to poor mental health
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 05, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.

I find Westside's contribution bewildering - is he saying that homophobia (alleged in this instance) is a big issue but at the same time implying that ageism is not an issue ? I'm not up to speed on what is politically correct and what is not so maybe Westside might clarify this. I'm being quite serious here - I recently learned that one should not refer to people as Coloured but that Black is a politically correct term. Like myself, there's quite a section of the population who are oblivious to PC rules (and would like to stay that way if they had a choice).

Anyway, as another poster pointed out, context is critical when you look at Colm O'Rourke's comments which were offensive to some. What he said was said purely in the context of playing Gaelic Football. His audience would also, in the main, have been GAA enthusiasts. We know what he meant. Some on here have had a dig at his media performance. Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I respect the man and while not always agreeing with his viewpoints I would put him down as a very decent individual and certainly not someone who would intentionally set out to upset the Gay community.

"Recently"?  Wow.

Anyway on to O'Rourke and the "context" of what he said. Using "pansy" in the context of a player going to ground far too easily.

What does pansy mean. I'm sure there are many versions in the dictionary, here's Webster's example:

noun
any of various violets, esp. a popular garden hybrid (Viola tricolor hortensis), with flat, broad, velvety petals in many colors
slang
an effeminate man; esp., an effeminate male homosexual: a dismissive or contemptuous term

I think you'd agree the context COR used it was the slang version and not the flower version!

At best, it was very clumsy language. I can see how some people find it very offensive. Frankly, I think people defending the use of the language are shower of idiots.

As I said earlier, actions speak louder than words. In my view O'Rourke's clumsy language is completely overshadowed by what he actually did by bringing Gough to speak at his school a fortnight ago. He made a mistake, let's move on, but let's not defend it.

Finally, the analysis he was trying to give was completely wrong anyway. Players don't dive because they're weak. They dive because they're trying to cheat.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
Is there a dictionary or some other charter that one could look up to find out what language is not politically correct ?
We have new words coming on stream regularly such as "Woke". Obviously it is too soon for such words to be included in dictionaries but idiots like myself can't be expected to be up to speed and all the latest buzz words and also won't be up to speed on political correctness. Many of us don't subscribe to political correctness and like to call a spade a spade (I have a feeling this phrase might not be PC these days).

It's all very well to sneer at those of us who might be unaware that describing people as "coloured" is offensive but maybe Hound could enlighten us on who is the authority that decides what is PC or non-PC and where can one look up the definitive guide.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 05, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Players don't dive because they're weak. They dive because they're trying to cheat.

Weak men cheat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on February 05, 2020, 11:24:34 AM
Any public figures (and not so public) should do a crash course in potentially offensive words.

Good business idea.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Westside on February 05, 2020, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.

I find Westside's contribution bewildering - is he saying that homophobia (alleged in this instance) is a big issue but at the same time implying that ageism is not an issue ? I'm not up to speed on what is politically correct and what is not so maybe Westside might clarify this. I'm being quite serious here - I recently learned that one should not refer to people as Coloured but that Black is a politically correct term. Like myself, there's quite a section of the population who are oblivious to PC rules (and would like to stay that way if they had a choice).

Anyway, as another poster pointed out, context is critical when you look at Colm O'Rourke's comments which were offensive to some. What he said was said purely in the context of playing Gaelic Football. His audience would also, in the main, have been GAA enthusiasts. We know what he meant. Some on here have had a dig at his media performance. Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I respect the man and while not always agreeing with his viewpoints I would put him down as a very decent individual and certainly not someone who would intentionally set out to upset the Gay community.

Is ageism an issue? I don't know. Go ahead and make your case if you think it is.

Not sure if you read my post. I've already said I don't think it had anything got to do with homophobia. I already said we need to remember that he's from a time when this sort of language was pervasive without really thinking of the meaning. However, he's not your average farmer from the sticks in Leitrim. He has a responsibility as an educator and a tv pundit to lead by example.

Don't hide behind the 'PC gone mad' bullshit. Be responsible for your words and actions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Westside on February 05, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 05, 2020, 12:07:38 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
Boris Johnson... riiiight... I'll leave you to make up your own hierarchy of indignation if you please, for now I'll just focus on the topic in hand and what Colm O'Rourke said.

If you can't see the link between this sort of toxic view of what comprises masculinity and the massive mental health issues among young men in this country then you clearly have no understanding of the subject.
I do have some understanding of mental health issues and they have nothing to do with Colm's oft expressed virtue of manliness on the football pitch.
But I can give a list of a myriad of evidenced reasons which are attributed to affecting male mental health.

So what are you denying here: that men are less likely to talk about their feelings because of some notion of talking about feelings being 'womanly'? Or that not talking about it has a severe negative impact and drives up suicide rates?
If you're claiming that these historical and damaging notions of what constitutes manliness aren't all wrapped up together and connected to phrases like 'pansy' then you would want to go educate yourself further.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:04:37 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 05, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
If you're claiming that these historical and damaging notions of what constitutes manliness aren't all wrapped up together and connected to phrases like 'pansy' then you would want to go educate yourself further.

This couldn't be more wrong. Resilience, stoicism and patience are fundamental to mental health.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
Is there a dictionary or some other charter that one could look up to find out what language is not politically correct ?
We have new words coming on stream regularly such as "Woke". Obviously it is too soon for such words to be included in dictionaries but idiots like myself can't be expected to be up to speed and all the latest buzz words and also won't be up to speed on political correctness. Many of us don't subscribe to political correctness and like to call a spade a spade (I have a feeling this phrase might not be PC these days).

It's all very well to sneer at those of us who might be unaware that describing people as "coloured" is offensive but maybe Hound could enlighten us on who is the authority that decides what is PC or non-PC and where can one look up the definitive guide.

What does call a "spade a spade" even mean?

Is it like "tell it like it is" (something you hear a lot from the American right wing about people like Trump)?

You must lead a pretty sheltered life if, at this point, you were still unaware that the use of the word "coloured" and its association with institutional racism was not offensive to black people.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: samuel maguire on February 05, 2020, 12:17:36 PM
Colm said this refering to the 'soft' nature of the incident. I think he was 100% correct in doing so and said it with no mallice towards any sexual orientation. Anyone who is offended with this is a fool. Why do people of other sexual orientations think everything is aimed or jibbed towards them? David Geough also needs to question himself over the comments that he made. Catch yourself on and grow up for gods sake
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM

You must lead a pretty sheltered life if, at this point, you were still unaware that the use of the word "coloured" and its association with institutional racism was not offensive to black people.

Nobody told the NAACP. https://www.naacp.org/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM

You must lead a pretty sheltered life if, at this point, you were still unaware that the use of the word "coloured" and its association with institutional racism was not offensive to black people.

Nobody told the NAACP. https://www.naacp.org/

Context and history... honouring the struggle... these don't appear relevant to you?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM

You must lead a pretty sheltered life if, at this point, you were still unaware that the use of the word "coloured" and its association with institutional racism was not offensive to black people.

Nobody told the NAACP. https://www.naacp.org/

Context and history... honouring the struggle... these don't appear relevant to you?

They appear totally relevant to me. And if the The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People don't consider the term 'Coloured People' racist, why should I?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM

You must lead a pretty sheltered life if, at this point, you were still unaware that the use of the word "coloured" and its association with institutional racism was not offensive to black people.

Nobody told the NAACP. https://www.naacp.org/

Context and history... honouring the struggle... these don't appear relevant to you?

They appear totally relevant to me. And if the The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People don't consider the term 'Coloured People' racist, why should I?

You don't get to decide or dictate what terms with historically repressive, violent, racist connotations are deemed offensive and outdated. That's up to them.

And only a willfully ignorant person would deny the legitimacy of a repressed people reclaiming or preserving such a term to honour their past struggle.

Now that I think of it, I remember having a similar conversation with you over the n-word, when you were still posting as "foxcommander".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 05, 2020, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 05, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on February 05, 2020, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 03, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
A horrible phrase to come out with even if he didn't mean it in any sort of homosexual slur. I'd be unhappy if I had a son going to his school. He's from a different time though I suppose so hopefully this shit will mostly die out with his generation. Having traits or characteristics mostly viewed as feminine doesn't make you weak. There's young lads across the country killing themselves because only 'pansy boys' talk about their feelings. That's an extreme example but it's all coming from the same place. Don't think there should be any question of him losing his job but hope someone had a stern word in his ear.

I find Westside's contribution bewildering - is he saying that homophobia (alleged in this instance) is a big issue but at the same time implying that ageism is not an issue ? I'm not up to speed on what is politically correct and what is not so maybe Westside might clarify this. I'm being quite serious here - I recently learned that one should not refer to people as Coloured but that Black is a politically correct term. Like myself, there's quite a section of the population who are oblivious to PC rules (and would like to stay that way if they had a choice).

Anyway, as another poster pointed out, context is critical when you look at Colm O'Rourke's comments which were offensive to some. What he said was said purely in the context of playing Gaelic Football. His audience would also, in the main, have been GAA enthusiasts. We know what he meant. Some on here have had a dig at his media performance. Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I respect the man and while not always agreeing with his viewpoints I would put him down as a very decent individual and certainly not someone who would intentionally set out to upset the Gay community.

"Recently"?  Wow.

Anyway on to O'Rourke and the "context" of what he said. Using "pansy" in the context of a player going to ground far too easily.

What does pansy mean. I'm sure there are many versions in the dictionary, here's Webster's example:

noun
any of various violets, esp. a popular garden hybrid (Viola tricolor hortensis), with flat, broad, velvety petals in many colors
slang
an effeminate man; esp., an effeminate male homosexual: a dismissive or contemptuous term


I think you'd agree the context COR used it was the slang version and not the flower version!

At best, it was very clumsy language. I can see how some people find it very offensive. Frankly, I think people defending the use of the language are shower of idiots.

As I said earlier, actions speak louder than words. In my view O'Rourke's clumsy language is completely overshadowed by what he actually did by bringing Gough to speak at his school a fortnight ago. He made a mistake, let's move on, but let's not defend it.

Finally, the analysis he was trying to give was completely wrong anyway. Players don't dive because they're weak. They dive because they're trying to cheat.
Devious and deliberately so, or just ignorant?
Webster cleary defines the meaning of Pansy as

A.  disparaging + offensive : a weak or effeminate man or boy
B. disparaging + offensive : a male homosexual

Websters defintion of effeminate 
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner

other definitions

A. a weak man or boy who is easily frightened
B. or offensive : a male homosexual

It is context which defines meaning, otherwise the English language would be a sewer pit exploited by every pc aficionado who hasn't a clue what were the original intentions of being politically correct.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:49:01 PM
You don't get to decide or dictate what terms with historically repressive, violent, racist connotations are deemed offensive and outdated. That's up to them.
Says who exactly?

Quote
And only a willfully ignorant person would deny the legitimacy of a repressed people reclaiming or preserving such a term to honour their past struggle.

Where have I denied the legitimacy of the NAACP, or their name?

Quote
Now that I think of it, I remember having a similar conversation with you over the n-word, when you were still posting as "foxcommander".

You've the wrong end of the stick. I have never posted as "foxcommander".  I have no memory of even seeing posts by "foxcommander". And I don't recall ever discussing the use of the n-word here or anywhere else. What is there to discuss? Its use is disgusting. And there is no "NAAC for n-words"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hound on February 05, 2020, 01:06:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 05, 2020, 12:54:36 PM

Devious and deliberately so, or just ignorant?


Is that directed at me??

I did a random google, I'm sure most are very similar.
I went to the site:
https://www.yourdictionary.com/pansy

Copied the definition without changing it. It credited "Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fifth Edition "

So you're defending the use of the word by O'Rourke? Well done.

But I note most of the normal posters are leaving this topic alone rather than fighting it out , so I'll follow suit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:49:01 PM

Now that I think of it, I remember having a similar conversation with you over the n-word, when you were still posting as "foxcommander".

Just found the below.

As if I'd ever rant about "freestater apologists" when I live in ROI.  ::)

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:37:59 PM
Who is "Rossfanny"?

Quote from: foxcommander on May 13, 2017, 05:09:28 PMRossfanny is a complete tool. I bet he fawned until he made himself sick

Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 03:58:53 PMTop post mate. Too many freestater apologists (the likes of Rossfanny) would have preferred that the people in the o6 sat on their hands and waited to be given equal rights.

Quote from: foxcommander on September 29, 2017, 12:02:05 AMIt's the lad who can't think for himself - wade in for your distressed buddy. good on you rossfanny ;)
You couldn't even find the ignore button if it was right in front of your crosseyes.

Quote from: foxcommander on October 05, 2017, 07:17:29 PMAgain - Rossfanny with his snide little remarks. Come out and debate you snivelling little shit.
Give me a good reason why you support the islamification of europe and the introduction of millions of refugees if you're so worried about Pegida and the far right.
Would love to hear your wisdom on the topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 12:49:01 PM
You don't get to decide or dictate what terms with historically repressive, violent, racist connotations are deemed offensive and outdated. That's up to them.
Says who exactly?

Society. The culture.

If you want to make a stand and use the term, go for it.

Given the times we are in, including the leaders in certain countries, you might even get the odd sympathetic ear.

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Quote
And only a willfully ignorant person would deny the legitimacy of a repressed people reclaiming or preserving such a term to honour their past struggle.

Where have I denied the legitimacy of the NAACP, or their name?

You are asking why YOU can't use the word "coloured" to describe black people when the NAACP has decided to preserve its use in their name. As if your use and their retention of the word in their name are equivalent and both legitimate. They're not. One is the casual use of an outdated term loaded with historical racism, both cultural and institutional. The other is an organization deciding to honour their history as the face of the fight for equality and justice by keeping the word, and preserving the organization's longevity and association with that struggle.

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Quote
Now that I think of it, I remember having a similar conversation with you over the n-word, when you were still posting as "foxcommander".

You've the wrong end of the stick. I have never posted as "foxcommander".  I have no memory of even seeing posts by "foxcommander". And I don't recall ever discussing the use of the n-word here or anywhere else. What is there to discuss? Its use is disgusting. And there is no "NAAC for n-words"

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM

Says who exactly?

Society. The culture.
I asked exactly.


Quote
You are asking why YOU can't use the word "coloured" to describe black people when the NAACP has decided to preserve its use in their name.
I'm not. My (rhetorical) question was somewhat different. Do read back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:02:30 PM

Says who exactly?

Society. The culture.
I asked exactly.

Not sure what you're looking for here.

Society evolves (thankfully). How often can you EVER place the credit or blame for a change at the feet of a single person or people?

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
Quote
You are asking why YOU can't use the word "coloured" to describe black people when the NAACP has decided to preserve its use in their name.
I'm not. My (rhetorical) question was somewhat different. Do read back.

Ok, from what I can see, you asked why it's racist for you to hypothetically use it when the NAACP "don't consider it racist".

Same answer. And I would say that the NAACP absolutely considers the use of the term racist these days.

Just like the UNCF still exists to help African Americans get to university and still uses the term "negro" in its name when that word has also been consigned to the past in terms of respectable, acceptable use in everyday language.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
Society evolves (thankfully). How often can you EVER place the credit or blame for a change at the feet of a single person or people?

This has nothing to do with historic or recent change.  I asked you who legislated that only certain people get to decide or dictate "what terms with historically repressive, violent, racist connotations are deemed offensive and outdated". You have only answered in the most vague and amorphic terms. I suspect you've no answer.

Quotewhat I can see, you asked why it's racist for you to hypothetically use it when the NAACP "don't consider it racist".

No I didn't.  My comment was specific and not in the least cryptic. You're only acting the maggot with your selective quote, as you did with your failed attempt to smear me as being another poster.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
Society evolves (thankfully). How often can you EVER place the credit or blame for a change at the feet of a single person or people?

This has nothing to do with historic or recent change.  I asked you who legislated that only certain people get to decide or dictate "what terms with historically repressive, violent, racist connotations are deemed offensive and outdated". You have only answered in the most vague and amorphic terms. I suspect you've no answer.

No I don't have an answer beyond what I've given you. Neither do you. Or if you, then please enlighten us, including why you deem it illegitimate (assuming you do, of course).

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 02:22:27 PM
Quotewhat I can see, you asked why it's racist for you to hypothetically use it when the NAACP "don't consider it racist".

No I didn't.  My comment was specific and not in the least cryptic. You're only acting the maggot with your selective quote, as you did with your failed attempt to smear me as being another poster.

Then you better spell out exactly what you're talking about given that I can't seem to grasp it.

On foxcommander, my accusation was based on a very similar posting style and opinions.

You are adamant its not you. I said "fair enough".

This place has a long history of people reappearing under other names. They'll continue to be called out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:35:26 PM]

Then you better spell out exactly what you're talking about given that I can't seem to grasp it.

I said
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
[And if the The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People don't consider the term 'Coloured People' racist, why should I?

And you grasped enough of it to try to smear me by mischaracterising it.
Quote
On foxcommander, my accusation was based on a very similar posting style and opinions.


It took me three seconds to google that name and find a series of their quotes that are distinctly different from everything I have posted here over ten years, not least their apparently habitual confrontation and bad language

You could easily have done that research yourself. The fact that you chose not to rather exposes your talk of calling out others
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 02:35:26 PM]

Then you better spell out exactly what you're talking about given that I can't seem to grasp it.

I said
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
[And if the The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People don't consider the term 'Coloured People' racist, why should I?

And you grasped enough of it to try to smear me by mischaracterising it.
Quote
On foxcommander, my accusation was based on a very similar posting style and opinions.


It took me three seconds to google that name and find a series of their quotes that are distinctly different from everything I have posted here over ten years, not least their apparently habitual confrontation and bad language

You could easily have done that research yourself. The fact that you chose not to rather exposes your talk of calling out others

Ok, on top of accepting your claim you are not foxcommander when I said "fair enough", I apologize for accusing you of being him.

Back to the point, I am still not seeing how my distinguishing between your hypothetical use of "coloured" and that of the NAACP is illegitimate.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: five points on February 05, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
... your hypothetical use of "coloured" ...
More mischaracterisation.


(bangs head against wall)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 03:34:10 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
... your hypothetical use of "coloured" ...
More mischaracterisation.


(bangs head against wall)

"And if the The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People don't consider the term 'Coloured People' racist, why should I?"

Bangs head indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 05, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
The snowflakes are out with their pitchforks again. This is a complete non issue.
However besides that point it's worth noting that Joe got the boot for telling Pat to stop pulling his arm, in comparison to CO'R saying something that a lot of people are actually offended by. Some chance of him getting the sack too ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
O'Rourke quite clearly didn't mean any offense to gay people and, to me, doesn't deserve to lose his position or anything like that. However, the point about casual prejudice is perfectly valid. Its not just about intent. Its also about those on the receiving end of negative stereotyping.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 05, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Nothing to do with prejudice. He's talking about the game turning into a game full of pansies because the players are getting on like premier league footballers hitting the deck for nothing and trying to win handy frees and con the ref. What he said is right and i agree with him. Furore over nothing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on February 05, 2020, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 05, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
I recall a few years back on this board (well, the non-GAA discussion part of it) some suspects complaining about "Pee Cee Gawn MMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADD!!!!11" and "...people going out of their way to get offended...", noting some of them being from a certain county north of Tyrone, so I decided to flip it around and normally refer to said place on here for over two years as either "Londonderry" or (usually) "L/Derry". ;D Maybe it's time for me to go back to doing that again.  ;)

Hilarious!
No matter what way you try to explain it, using that word confirms your status as a tosser.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on February 06, 2020, 10:54:26 AM
The former Sinn Féin MLA Francie Brolly has died. He was in his early 80s.

Mr Brolly represented the East Londonderry constituency at Stormont from 2003 until his retirement in 2010.

He was an outspoken critic of abortion and in 2018 he resigned his membership of Sinn Féin in protest over the party's policy on terminations.

Both Mr Brolly, his wife, Anne, and their son Proinnsias later joined the anti-abortion republican party, Aontú, which was formed just over a year ago.

Aontú's deputy leader, Derry City Councillor Anne McCloskey, told BBC News NI she was "heartbroken" at news of her friend's death.




She said Mr Brolly was at home with his wife on Wednesday night and died unexpectedly in the middle of the night.

Dr McCloskey said his family were "devastated".

Francie Brolly, who was a former teacher from Dungiven, was also a musician and songwriter who spoke Irish.

Dr McCloskey acknowledged it had been a" very difficult decision" for them to leave Sinn Féin - a party they supported since they were teenagers.

Aontú leader, Peadar Tóibín, said: "He was a founding member of Aontú and his passing is a great loss to all of us. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife Anne, children, extended family and friends."

Sinn Féin vice president Michelle O'Neill also paid tribute to Mr Brolly in a statement on Thursday morning describing him as a "committed Irish republican".

"Francie Brolly was a significant figure in the political life of east Derry for many years and will be missed by many," she said.

"As a teacher, activist, campaigner and elected representative, he helped shape the community in his native Dungiven and further afield.

"Aside from politics, Francie also made a huge contribution to the musical and cultural world with his songs he recorded and performed alongside his wife, Anne and his love of the Irish language."

Another son of the couple, Joe Brolly, is a well-known gaelic games pundit and was a member of the All-Ireland winning Derry Gaelic Football team of 1993.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on February 06, 2020, 04:58:13 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 05, 2020, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on February 05, 2020, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 05, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
I recall a few years back on this board (well, the non-GAA discussion part of it) some suspects complaining about "Pee Cee Gawn MMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADD!!!!11" and "...people going out of their way to get offended...", noting some of them being from a certain county north of Tyrone, so I decided to flip it around and normally refer to said place on here for over two years as either "Londonderry" or (usually) "L/Derry". ;D Maybe it's time for me to go back to doing that again.  ;)

Hilarious!
No matter what way you try to explain it, using that word confirms your status as a tosser.

Sure yer only going out of your way to get offended!  ;)

If people want to use the word I have no problem with it my issue with the London thing is people obviously using it to cause offence. There is no other reason why you would do it.

I know numerous Protestants who say Derry therefore it's only the ones who want to make a point that say it and are being pricks.

Anyone who isn't a Protestant and uses it is only trying to offend someone from Derry so are also being pricks (most generally used by but not confined to our more hated Tyrone neighbours)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keyser soze on February 07, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
I work with a number of people who always made a point to call it Londonderry, the level of seethe when I also started to refer to it as Londonderry is unbelievable, they know I am taking the piss out of them but there is f++k all they can do about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on February 07, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Have to admit that the first thing that jumped out at me when I read that BBC report on Francie Brolly's death was the reference to Londonderry. For a well known republican and after his death, I'm not offended but like seriously do some people have no cop on. It's like the time Joe Brolly himself described how Jim Wells introduced him to someone as the former Londonderry footballer just to try and score a point.     
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dougal Maguire on February 07, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
BBC has history here like when thy continually referred to the 2013 Fleadh taking place in Londonderry. But the worst was Alan Green in his Radio 5 phone in 'So who's on the line?' John from Derry 'Ok John from Londonderry, what's your question?'  The best was from Bradley Walsh in the final Chase. I can't remember the question but a contestant buzzed and said 'Londonderry' Bradley ' Wrong Derry' The man's been a hero since
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: pbat on February 07, 2020, 04:47:00 PM
20 plus years ago I worked for a builders merchants and had to type out dispatch notes, we delivered daily to a well known house builder who had a site in Derry city. When the dispatch note was issued it automatically raised the invoice. The said company contacted our accounts department to say that they would not be honouring invoices that did not have the correct site address on, namely LondonDerry.

My boss who was a decent protestant man called me to his office and said he understood my position and would not ask me to do anything made me uncomfortable and that any dockets I did not want to type leave to one side and he would get another member of staff to raise them. I though he handled it well but in 2010 when the builder went to the wall it was the only time I every got satisfaction to see a company go belly up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on February 07, 2020, 06:18:44 PM
Worked with a group of people years ago, both sides. One Catholic girl had a sister in college in Derry, who she'd visit fairly regularly for the weekend. Come Monday, at every opportunity, one would ask "well X, how was your weekend in Londonderry?". I used to just shake my head at the pettiness of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 07, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 07, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 06, 2020, 04:58:13 PMIf people want to use the word I have no problem with it my issue with the London thing is people obviously using it to cause offence. There is no other reason why you would do it.

I know numerous Protestants who say Derry therefore it's only the ones who want to make a point that say it and are being pricks.

Anyone who isn't a Protestant and uses it is only trying to offend someone from Derry so are also being pricks (most generally used by but not confined to our more hated Tyrone neighbours)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYNXgbGn/point-Gone-Over-Head.gif)

I'm a little surprised at you screen, while I wouldn't expect any less from some of the windowlickers in this thread to fail to grasp the point, you're usually smart & clued up enough that I would have thought you'd have understood that the point I was making wasn't solely about whatever name is used to label a certain place, and that alone.

So I'll expand upon this - does your right not to be offended trump my right to offend (either inadvertently or deliberately)? If the answer is no, then must my right to offend be absolute? And if the answer is yes, then should everyone have the right not to be offended?

For "no", I'd argue that my right to offend be absolute is not valid because such a POV is at best heavily authoritarian, servile & oppressive, and at worst be utterly destructive. Whoever determines how far this right goes is determined by whom is in the position to enforce it, and thankfully in the majority of cases there is a consensus or at least a somewhat flexible fairness. This can be via a government, whom by definition hold a monopoly on enforcing violence over a certain place, a private club, a school, ones own home etc. which can have many overlapping points. Within the GAA, for historical and cultural reasons the use of the word "Londonderry" or even the milder "L/Derry" does not tend to be received well among its patrons, at the least, therefore all such units in that location & teams representing it are deemed "Derry" or "Doire". On the other hand, on Wikipedia all pages that concern units of the GAA in Derry, by rule, refer to their location as being in "County Londonderry" - this is due to Wikipedia's notability guidelines as well as a desire to be factually, historically & legally accurate where in this sense, the name of the county is determined by how it is legally described by its ruling central government (i.e. the UK government). In both examples, those decisions were reached upon an agreed consensus in their communities.

But if the answer to the first question is "yes", then should nobody say anything lest someone claims offence at what you say? This is a classic example of the "thin edge of the wedge" argument. The only reason "Londonderry" is offensive to someone like yourself is because you have been taught & conditioned since birth to take it as such - it is not naturally an offensive word and indeed on its own it was not created solely to express offence. Everything we take as offence has become so because like the example I've mentioned, we've learned to take it as such - nothing is "naturally" offensive, the closest are words or phrases that are created to be solely derogatory but even then this relies on both parties to share a common understanding when communicating e.g. spoken or written language, or certain body expressions. Still, they're all taught & learned from birth.

Now take this concept of being "offended" and broaden its scope. Much of the social progress that has evolved over decades and centuries not only in Ireland but all over the world has happened because some people were willing to cause offence. Dictators, tyrants, authoritarians etc. love to use the tool of being offended or outraged to silence criticism - most of the famed authoritarian national leaders on this planet as well as plenty of those looking to suck up to them are incredibly thin skinned. Xi Jinping notably does not like being compared to Whinnie The Pooh. Closer to home, comedy & satire has been a significant force in evoking change both politically and socially. While Dave Allen was cracking jokes about the Catholic Church and its hierarchy in Britain, he was essentially persona non grate for RTE. Spitting Image was doing that also, not to mention the likes of Brass Eye which courted a quare amount of controversy when it did its "Paedophile" special. Anyway, hopefully you understand the point.

So lets go back on to this forum. In the last few weeks there's been several occasions where a some posters have expressed "PC Gone MAAAAAAD!" yet when you look at the stories in question, they are either the suggestions from just one person, or a small team/group of no significance, or someone like PETA whom are just professional trolls at this point. Then mean next to nothing in the greater social context and will nearly always be quickly forgotten about - but one thing you can be ensured of is someone willing to blow shit out of all proportion, and we have it right here with several posters whom IMO are going out of their way to be offended having been triggered by someone saying or doing something that is "Pee Cee". They are ironically practicing Political Correctness themselves in essentially asserting their own right to freely comment and offend, but demand respect or civility from their opponents. They are looking to claim some sort of victimhood & recognition without trying to earn it or justify it, hence the use of soundbites rather than any reasoning. That is not to say that sometimes such voices actually have a valid point - after all, a stopped clock is right twice a day not to mention that attention seeking arseholes are littered across all positions of politics and society. But there is a tendency growing in this world about not having to justify your ignorance or bigotry, and cry foul when you are being challenged on it. I think it needs empahsising that if someone is challenging your view or opinion on something, they are not "oppressing" you. The world does not stand still for anyone's personal whims, prejudices or bigotry. Essentially, we are slowly retreating from reason.

So about those words "Londonderry" and "L/Derry", if you haven't grasped it by now, they were used as literary tools to bring the examples of censorship, offence and the practice of "chilling effects" into a presence that could be easily understood, or at least I hoped. I'm very happy to support the right of someone to express a viewpoint as part of a reasoned discussion even if I strongly disagree with them, as to me an exchange of ideas and experiences is a general benefit to all, or at least most. What I struggle to tolerate are those whom just moan & moan more than some artificially enhanced 28GG porn actress on set being DP'd for the fifth time that day. And yes, I recognise the irony of moaning about those that moan about anything that gives them an excuse to do so - I just really don't want to do so if I can help it, the same way that in the last few years I've (with a very brief exception) refused to talk about a certain gobshite mentioned in the subject line of this thread because IMO he just isn't worth it - I don't go and seek him out to get myself offended, and if he pops up in the media then I either mute the TV, change the channel, or just quickly turn the page etc. Just move on! And on that front, I'll leave it there. Rant/argument over.

I stopped reading when I saw the term windowlicker. Is it ok for me to take massive exception (or offence, if you will) to your use of that term or are you still trying to make a point?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 07, 2020, 08:20:39 PM
Ye can write as long a paragraphs as ye want lad but yer a tosser in my books and a few others on here id say when ye come out with the Londonderry thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 07, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
Alright tosser! Sure ill write a few big long paragraphs next time if thats what make ye (you) classed as intelligent round here.

Any more londonderry stories the last one was a hoot
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on February 07, 2020, 11:30:05 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 06, 2020, 10:54:26 AM
The former Sinn Féin MLA Francie Brolly has died. He was in his early 80s.

The Indo printed a nice photo of them together at a Derry match, I suppose it helps to have a sense of humour when attending a Derry game.

(https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/2e6f1/38934635.ece/AUTOCROP/w620h350/2016-01-31_spo_16417067_I1.JPG)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 08, 2020, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 07, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 07, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
Alright tosser! Sure ill write a few big long paragraphs next time if thats what make ye (you) classed as intelligent round here.

Any more londonderry stories the last one was a hoot

If what I wrote are "long paragraphs" then are you actually capable of reading any books beyond a Primary school level? A large word count isn't a sign of intelligence the same way as just a few words don't indicate a lack of it, but I am of a school of thought that believes that it is worth putting at least a little meat on the bones of what there is to talk about, and if it triggers you then it's not my problem. It's your's. Was this paragraph too long?

And no, I'm not in the business of satisfying your desire in wanting to get offended for the sake of it.  8)

Brevity. Is that a word in your big dictionary.
Capable of reading books. Primary school. No harm mate but yer (youre) coming across as a right condescending tosser now. But anyway, ill say no more
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on February 08, 2020, 05:04:17 AM
Sounds to me like the gene pool is getting to concentrated with our northern neighbours that they cant think straight enough.
Our county is almost always referred to as Tyrone which is just a peerage title for English nobility, I cant think of anything more insulting than that to a person who associates with Gael culture. But us enlightened folk are able to see past any insult intended or otherwise of use of this term to recognize it as a reference to our county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 07, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 07, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
Alright tosser! Sure ill write a few big long paragraphs next time if thats what make ye (you) classed as intelligent round here.

Any more londonderry stories the last one was a hoot

If what I wrote are "long paragraphs" then are you actually capable of reading any books beyond a Primary school level? A large word count isn't a sign of intelligence the same way as just a few words don't indicate a lack of it, but I am of a school of thought that believes that it is worth putting at least a little meat on the bones of what there is to talk about, and if it triggers you then it's not my problem. It's your's. Was this paragraph too long?

And no, I'm not in the business of satisfying your desire in wanting to get offended for the sake of it.  8)

This is turning into the twittersphere. Any moment now someone will be adding to call you a nonce and that she won't shag you, mate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
I don't get offended or call people out when they say Londonderry . . . they've just announced themselves as an asshole and now I know.

Sin é
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 11, 2020, 07:40:50 PM
Jesus wept
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on March 21, 2020, 10:57:24 PM
Joe just off a conference call with doctors discussing the Covid19 crisis apparently  :-\
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on March 21, 2020, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 21, 2020, 10:57:24 PM
Joe just off a conference call with doctors discussing the Covid19 crisis apparently  :-\

Maybe he shouldn't have went to Cheltenham.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 23, 2020, 03:34:24 PM
On Twitter he was in Cheltenham. Must be an old picture?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETwUBhhXQAAULrV?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 24, 2020, 10:45:40 PM
Joe was there, part of the herd.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET0ufpyX0AM-gBM?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 24, 2020, 10:57:02 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/90/78/4890780062e9ed1dc079bea5b4fd312a.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
I initially assumed the Cheltenham story was made up.

Nobody, and I mean nobody would be cretinous enough to campaign for a lockdown after being over there. Never mind a barrister. Surely?

Does anyone on here know him personally l? Is he alright?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 25, 2020, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
I initially assumed the Cheltenham story was made up.

Nobody, and I mean nobody would be cretinous enough to campaign for a lockdown after being over there. Never mind a barrister. Surely?

Does anyone on here know him personally l? Is he alright?

I genuinely am shocked he went there and is now pushing so  vehemently to change things.

Perhaps he knows he fucked up and hence the big push.
Either way it smacks of hypocricy.

As a person he is as selfless as they come....nothing is ever too much and he would genuinely do anything if he could.
Is not a member of the brown envelope bridge either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on March 25, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
I initially assumed the Cheltenham story was made up.

Nobody, and I mean nobody would be cretinous enough to campaign for a lockdown after being over there. Never mind a barrister. Surely?

Does anyone on here know him personally l? Is he alright?

I see the comedian Lee Mack has apparently tested positive after being in Cheltenham

If that's true, how many other unknown punters picked it up (or passed it on) while there? Utter madness that it went ahead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 25, 2020, 11:56:53 PM
That was to give the Brits herd immunity ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 26, 2020, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 25, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
I initially assumed the Cheltenham story was made up.

Nobody, and I mean nobody would be cretinous enough to campaign for a lockdown after being over there. Never mind a barrister. Surely?

Does anyone on here know him personally l? Is he alright?

I see the comedian Lee Mack has apparently tested positive after being in Cheltenham

If that's true, how many other unknown punters picked it up (or passed it on) while there? Utter madness that it went ahead.

Did the test come back negative for him being a comedian?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 26, 2020, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 25, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
I initially assumed the Cheltenham story was made up.

Nobody, and I mean nobody would be cretinous enough to campaign for a lockdown after being over there. Never mind a barrister. Surely?

Does anyone on here know him personally l? Is he alright?

He would be loving 300 odd pages of this anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on March 26, 2020, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.

He doesn't get hit enough with this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 29, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
Getting more stick today. Tweeting out about the Ulster hospital not having Ppe equipment when it does. Turns out he thought the doctor who tweeted him worked in another hospital.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 29, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Due to the enforced absence of the pundit GAA platform and his place on it, Joe's already loose screws are popping out one by one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on March 30, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?

Don't use Eir.. I'm not in the 6 Counties. Cavan 

Monaghan borders 3 of the 6 Counties so you should have some Idea. Not like it's Dublin or Cork as another poster said.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: delgany on March 30, 2020, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?

Don't use Eir.. I'm not in the 6 Counties. Cavan 

Monaghan borders 3 of the 6 Counties so you should have some Idea. Not like it's Dublin or Cork as another poster said.

It's available via Sky subscription
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on March 30, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 30, 2020, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?

Don't use Eir.. I'm not in the 6 Counties. Cavan 

Monaghan borders 3 of the 6 Counties so you should have some Idea. Not like it's Dublin or Cork as another poster said.

It's available via Sky subscription

After you sign up with Sky, is it free or do you have to pay Eir on top of Sky?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on March 30, 2020, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?

Don't use Eir.. I'm not in the 6 Counties. Cavan 

Monaghan borders 3 of the 6 Counties so you should have some Idea. Not like it's Dublin or Cork as another poster said.
I know what people expect but it's not always true that a Monaghan person knows everthing, sometimes on a rare occasion we can appear to be as dumb as some of our neighbours.
If I lived in Monaghan then I probably would have been able to keep lubricated  the inherited traits of naturally knowing everything, but as decades in exile kick in, I have found that nothing can replace the lush smell of a Monaghan shuck for inspiration.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: delgany on March 30, 2020, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 30, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 30, 2020, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 26, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 25, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
Lots of things he says smack of hypocricy. He ranted about Sky on Twitter and on RTE, and when he was pushed out of RTE, he took up the offer by Eir saying he missed being a pundit.
Eirsport is part of Eir broadband package (Eur 40 p/m) in the 26 counties
Is it part of any similar package in the 6 counties?

Don't use Eir.. I'm not in the 6 Counties. Cavan 

Monaghan borders 3 of the 6 Counties so you should have some Idea. Not like it's Dublin or Cork as another poster said.

It's available via Sky subscription

After you sign up with Sky, is it free or do you have to pay Eir on top of Sky?

It ain't free to view on sky
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shyted on April 03, 2020, 11:13:39 PM
His piece today in the gaelic life,jesus christ he loves himself what an absolute p***k
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 14, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
I see he is down to play in a soccer fundraiser, a Shels XI v Celeb XI in November for Beaumont.

A worthy cause and all that, but how did he wriggle into that set? He has always been negative towords soccer in general and Irish soccer in particular. Is his agent under instruction?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 14, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on April 14, 2020, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 14, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
I see he is down to play in a soccer fundraiser, a Shels XI v Celeb XI in November for Beaumont.

A worthy cause and all that, but how did he wriggle into that set? He has always been negative towords soccer in general and Irish soccer in particular. Is his agent under instruction?

I like kicking Brolly as much as the next man but doesn't Beaumont deal with a lot of transplants?

I'm sure it does. I understand this is a soccer club doing a generic fundraiser. His name does jump out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sensethetone on April 30, 2020, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!
Any link to that? Cheers
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
He really is very bitter about Micky Moran.

What is his problem with him?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
He really is very bitter about Micky Moran.

What is his problem with him?

Maybe because he, unlike Joe, doesn't seek the limelight and doesn't do interviews etc. Oh, and successful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 30, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
He really is very bitter about Micky Moran.

What is his problem with him?

Maybe because he, unlike Joe, doesn't seek the limelight and doesn't do interviews etc. Oh, and successful.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason Marty, to the top of the class with you!  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 30, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
He really is very bitter about Micky Moran.

What is his problem with him?

Maybe because he, unlike Joe, doesn't seek the limelight and doesn't do interviews etc. Oh, and successful.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason Marty, to the top of the class with you!  ;D

I should have said successful...in senior management.  I like Joe by the way.  I think he's done fantastic work re: organ donation and walked the walk.

I did'nt mind him when he was on TSG.  He never annoyed me the way he annoyed others on here.

I wonder will he ever go into senior club management or has he already?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 30, 2020, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
He really is very bitter about Micky Moran.

What is his problem with him?

Maybe because he, unlike Joe, doesn't seek the limelight and doesn't do interviews etc. Oh, and successful.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason Marty, to the top of the class with you!  ;D

genuinely what is it then? I don't know. Had he something to do with Coleman's downfall or something like that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on April 30, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)

In fairness, only a muppet would take conclusion from the interview and the treatment of Eamon from the suits and Micky Moran.
Imagine Harte rubbed the CB up the wrong way and in 2004 after the Mayo loss, they ousted him along with a keen manager ready to take on the reigns of their golden generation? The bond Harte had with those players gone by a daft CB decision and the wheels come off. Things could have been a whole lot different.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on April 30, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

I knew something happened but exactly sure what
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)

I didn't say that . . . I actually disagree with Brolly on quite a lot of what he said.

Ultimately the players are why you fail on the pitch and while I don't think Moran covered himself in glory during the whole saga the players need to accept their part in underachieving throughout the 90s. They're the main constant of the decade so it's a bit rich to blame it on the disaster from 94-95!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)

I didn't say that . . . I actually disagree with Brolly on quite a lot of what he said.

Ultimately the players are why you fail on the pitch and while I don't think Moran covered himself in glory during the whole saga the players need to accept their part in underachieving throughout the 90s. They're the main constant of the decade so it's a bit rich to blame it on the disaster from 94-95!!

I find it funny that, whenever something big happens, Joe is always sitting directly beside the person that's involved...lol.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)

I didn't say that . . . I actually disagree with Brolly on quite a lot of what he said.

Ultimately the players are why you fail on the pitch and while I don't think Moran covered himself in glory during the whole saga the players need to accept their part in underachieving throughout the 90s. They're the main constant of the decade so it's a bit rich to blame it on the disaster from 94-95!!

I find it funny that, whenever something big happens, Joe is always sitting directly beside the person that's involved...lol.

Funny indeed.

Caution needed here as it wouldn't be the first time that Brolly told a tall tale.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on April 30, 2020, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 30, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 12:10:06 AM
Explosive enough interview with Eirsport Brolly lifts the lid on the feud between players and the County Board over Coleman getting sacked... he fairly stuck the boot into Mickey Moran!!

Yeah, that's the reason youse have been shite for years  ::)

I didn't say that . . . I actually disagree with Brolly on quite a lot of what he said.

Ultimately the players are why you fail on the pitch and while I don't think Moran covered himself in glory during the whole saga the players need to accept their part in underachieving throughout the 90s. They're the main constant of the decade so it's a bit rich to blame it on the disaster from 94-95!!

I find it funny that, whenever something big happens, Joe is always sitting directly beside the person that's involved...lol.

Funny indeed.

Caution needed here as it wouldn't be the first time that Brolly told a tall tale.

The star of this story is Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on May 01, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
joe gump
or is forrest brolly better
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 01, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
Neither
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 03:10:36 PM
An insight into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on May 01, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 01, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
I liked the sound of aul Jim. Downey acted the big girl's blouse.
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Different times - counting the socks and shorts etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 01, 2020, 04:46:48 PM
Im sure you make plenty of good points rrhf but not easy to start reading that post
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 01, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Firstly, a very well constructed post. Secondly, the bit in bold, how can your statement possibly be a fact? It's an opinion.

We're talking different era's of football. As a Derry man, you rue those couple of years after 1993. If there had been a back door, who knows? Again, any speculation would be an opinion, not a fact. Derry could maybe have won another, maybe not. This great Tyrone team of the noughties would be sitting with 1 AI if there was no backdoor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on May 02, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Some fine opinions in there, but that is all they are.
Not sure if the evidence stacks up about Tohill having a shocker in the '94 game and Brolly disappearing after Kelly was taken off.
Some great analysis here - https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2020/04/23/derry-v-down-1994-ulster/

I'd suggest Brolly only did this interview after seeing the success of Scullion's interview a couple of weeks ago.  One where Scullion refused to be drawn on the fall out after the Coleman saga.  But Brolly sees the controversy and might get some more air time.

I'd say Brian McGilligan's quote is close to how I'd feel about the whole thing - "Any other county would have got their act together.  Too many boys partied, lived the high life and thought it was only a matter of turning up.  We definitely should have won another one. The players were good enough, you can't pinpoint any one thing. It was the perfect storm.  There was a whole lot of things going on behind."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 02, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
I only read that McGilligan article this morning. Very good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hoof Hearted on May 02, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
Where can I hear this interview
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on May 02, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Derry wans wouldn't like to hear this, but their AI winning forward line was probably the weakest forward line to win an All Ireland in my lifetime.

That they managed to win an AI with Heaney, Barton, Cassidy and Downey, all in the one line-up, and barely a threat between them, was quite remarkable.

The reason they didn't win another one was it was 6 or 7 more years waiting for Paddy Bradley to come along, by which time most the 1993 defence and midfield were done.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 02, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 02, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Derry wans wouldn't like to hear this, but their AI winning forward line was probably the weakest forward line to win an All Ireland in my lifetime.

That they managed to win an AI with Heaney, Barton, Cassidy and Downey, all in the one line-up, and barely a threat between them, was quite remarkable.

The reason they didn't win another one was it was 6 or 7 more years waiting for Paddy Bradley to come along, by which time most the 1993 defence and midfield were done.

Heaney, Cassidy and Downey all very good footballers, but Barton was a serious footballer, imo or course
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on May 02, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 02, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 02, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Derry wans wouldn't like to hear this, but their AI winning forward line was probably the weakest forward line to win an All Ireland in my lifetime.

That they managed to win an AI with Heaney, Barton, Cassidy and Downey, all in the one line-up, and barely a threat between them, was quite remarkable.

The reason they didn't win another one was it was 6 or 7 more years waiting for Paddy Bradley to come along, by which time most the 1993 defence and midfield were done.

Heaney, Cassidy and Downey all very good footballers, but Barton was a serious footballer, imo or course

I never quite seen Barton in his prime. Me da said he was superb. But any time I watched him, he was ordinary. The same must be said of Cassidy. I'm 36 and never missed a match from 92 onwards. Looking back at the 93 final again there, Heaney had a superb game.

I read that interview with McGilligan there now, really enjoyed it. I think Mal did this in 201& and putting it back out now. Derry PRO is doing excellent work at present also.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

This is a classic Derry type post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.
Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 11:13:52 AM
I'd say the whole culture led to the events of Coleman's dismissal. Did the players really expect respect when they behaved like little kids chanting "weasel" every time Harry Shivers entered a room? Brolly still laughs at that today as if it's something to be proud of. Coleman allowed this and probably fostered it to achieve a siege mentality. That's just one example and I'd be fairly sure that there was more to the story about Jim McGuigan punching Downey than one fairly innocuous comment at a team meal. In that sort of environment it was always going to come to a head. Moran is an easy target to pin all the blame on. That Derry team had been found out by 1994 and weren't good enough regardless of who was in charge. Compare numbers 10 to 15 against any of the teams that won more than one All Ireland subsequently and you will see where the inadequacies lay. Brian McGillgan's comment.." Too many boys partied, lived the high life and thought it was only a matter of turning up" probably tells us more than Brolly's full half hour monologue. But sure it's all Mickey Moran's fault.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on May 03, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 02, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 02, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 02, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Derry wans wouldn't like to hear this, but their AI winning forward line was probably the weakest forward line to win an All Ireland in my lifetime.

That they managed to win an AI with Heaney, Barton, Cassidy and Downey, all in the one line-up, and barely a threat between them, was quite remarkable.

The reason they didn't win another one was it was 6 or 7 more years waiting for Paddy Bradley to come along, by which time most the 1993 defence and midfield were done.

Heaney, Cassidy and Downey all very good footballers, but Barton was a serious footballer, imo or course

I never quite seen Barton in his prime. Me da said he was superb. But any time I watched him, he was ordinary. The same must be said of Cassidy. I'm 36 and never missed a match from 92 onwards. Looking back at the 93 final again there, Heaney had a superb game.

I read that interview with McGilligan there now, really enjoyed it. I think Mal did this in 201& and putting it back out now. Derry PRO is doing excellent work at present also.
Obviously biased but in my opinion of Damian Barton but Paddy Heaneys article below is a good read and sums him up well , (Greg Blaney is the  best no 11 that I have seen in my lifetime though IMHO)
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Modern game neglects genius at 11
Thursday, June 11, 2015


By Paddy Heaney


There is one serious flaw with the defensive-based running game which has been slavishly adopted by virtually every team in the country.

It has robbed us of the centre half-forward.

And I don't know about you, but I have a soft spot for the No.11 position.

It all started with Damian Barton. Barton was the first truly gifted creative player that I ever witnessed on a football field.

My personal nickname for the Newbridge star was Bartoni. I always thought of him as a continental Gaelic footballer. In many ways he embodied all the qualities of the quintessential Italian soccer player.

He was composed. He had style. There was also a certain swagger. And like your typical Italian pro, Bartoni could also be utterly, utterly ruthless.

For Derry, Damian Barton could be good, and occasionally great. For Newbridge, he was a colossus. Think Eric Cantona in a green jersey.

In the same way as Cantona added a measure of Gallic flair to Old Trafford, Barton brought a similar level of refined technique to the playing fields of Derry.


His passing was just on a different stratosphere. No one was remotely in the same league as him. In 1989, he captained and carried Newbridge to a county title. The recipe was simple and a delight to watch.

Barton, the quarter-back, split the defences and Liam Devlin scored the goals.

When I was in first year at St Patrick's Maghera and Barton was subbing at our school, I got my one and only coaching lesson from the player I adored to watch.

During a game at PE, I tried unsuccessfully to place a kick pass to a corner-forward who was being tightly marked. Barton stopped the game. First, he pointed to the narrow square of ground where I had been trying to aim a pass. Then, he directed my attention to the huge swathe of grass which was totally unoccupied. The advice has never been forgotten. "Always kick to the space," he said.

Nowadays, the game is all about running and rushing, tackling and harrying. Barton never slipped out of cruise control. He never seemed to sweat. He made it look effortless.

Years later, I marked him in a tense relegation game in Newbridge. He played and managed at the same time. Picking passes while coolly instructing everyone around him. The tone of his voice never wavered, not even in the dying minutes as Newbridge trailed by two points. He was coolness personified. The game ended in a draw.

Perhaps the main reason I like a good centre half-forward is because a great No.11 is the complete footballer. There are All Star corner-forwards who can't catch a ball above their heads. There are also All Star defenders who, for good reason, never kick the ball.

In contrast, a Rolls-Royce centre half-forward has mastery of all the skills. Greg Blaney is the supreme example. Blaney had everything — brains, brawn, passion and panache. He could pass, score, catch and tackle.


He had the lot.

The first time I saw him play was on a mucky day in Newcastle. It was a winter's league game in the late 80s.

Heavy air and heavy ground. It wasn't the type of day for Blaney to showcase his finesse. That didn't matter. Unlike a lot of stylists, Blaney wasn't just a hard ground specialist. He could play in all conditions.

What struck me first about him was his courage. He would dive headlong into a ruck of boots to grab a breaking ball — and he would win it.


He was so fearless. Moments after some astounding act of courage, he would dink the daintiest of foot-passes to a corner-forward.

Most Gaelic footballers fall into one of two categories. They are either a soldier or an artist. Few straddle both camps. Greg Blaney was one of the exceptions.

On that day in Newcastle, he landed two long range points from about 50 metres. That was the day I joined the Greg Blaney fan club. The beauty of a great centre half-forward like Greg Blaney was that he unlocked the brilliance of the forwards around him. It's no coincidence that when Blaney was in his pomp, Mickey Linden and James McCartan never played better.

Down's All-Ireland victories of 1991 and 1994 sprung from that magical triangle. With Blaney operating at the point, he sprayed the passes to the left and right wings. It was an exhilarating spectacle.

Yet, think now about the games witnessed in this year's championship.

In Ulster, I can't think of one example when a player received the ball on the 40 and created a score with a Barton or Blaney-like pass.

There is a good reason why we have been deprived of this type of play. Teams are no longer playing with an orthodox centre half-forward. The position no longer exists. When teams defend, the entire half-forward line retreats en masse. The preferred option is to run the ball out of defence.

It's the modern way, but it would be a shame if no accommodation could be made for some of the ingenious footballers that have lit up our lives in recent years.

For example, where would the great Maurice Fitzgerald fit into the gameplan which has become the default choice in Ulster? It would be foolish to suggest that Fitzgerald wouldn't get his place. But it's the role he would be expected to perform that might cause a certain amount of anguish.

Rather than allow creative footballers to express themselves, the current trend seems to favour recalibrating them into something entirely different.

Managers would argue that the blanket defence has neutered the effectiveness of a traditional centre half-forward. That's not entirely true.


Armagh enjoyed considerable success last year when they deployed Kevin Dyas as a regular No.11. By holding his position, Dyas provided the Armagh defence with the option of a long ball. Armagh's ability to turn defence into attack with one kick enabled them to beat the blanket defence as the opposition had no time to get a dozen men behind the ball.


The real problem in football is the herd mentality which affects managers. Too few of them are prepared to think for themselves and try something different.

At its very best, Gaelic football is a celebration of tribalism and talent. We admire our warriors. But the icons of our game are the warriors whose wizardry allows them to rise above and beyond the battle.

Greg Blaney, Maurice Fitzgerald, Ciarán McDonald, Trevor Giles, Brian McGuigan, John McEntee and Colm Cooper. The poet soldiers.

I would love to say that the list goes on. But as things stand, it doesn't.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sportacus on May 03, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.
Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.

The county board would have been primarily responsible, there was a big divide clearly between them and the players with Coleman stuck in the middle.

By the sounds of it there were some out of control egos in the Derry squad and that's the reason they did not do more. I think they finished themselves rather than Mickey Moran who proved himself to be an extremely capable manager elsewhere.

Typical Derry though to blame others and scapegoat a good man for their inadequacies.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 03, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.

Sean O'Shea is a traditional no 11 type player but he doesn't play in that role for Kerry. He's more of a spoiler and workhorse of a player who gets up and down and can take a score.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sportacus on May 03, 2020, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 03, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.

Sean O'Shea is a traditional no 11 type player but he doesn't play in that role for Kerry. He's more of a spoiler and workhorse of a player who gets up and down and can take a score.
There's a lot more to his game than workhorse, spoiler and frees.  He's a class act, only 20 and pulled Dublin to pieces in last years final - has the potential to put number 11 back on the map.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on May 03, 2020, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.
Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.

What was the reason Coleman, or why was he removed from the manager's job?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 03, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

Kerry, Rte and Joe all live under your skin. Surely to god there isn't room for the 1993 Derry team?

With no back door, Tyrone limp out against Armagh and 3rd div Down in the 1st Rd of the Ulster Championship. Different era's of football , so not really comparable
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 03, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

Kerry, Rte and Joe all live under your skin. Surely to god there isn't room for the 1993 Derry team?

With no back door, Tyrone limp out against Armagh and 3rd div Down in the 1st Rd of the Ulster Championship. Different era's of football , so not really comparable

I think you're getting mixed up.

I just find Derry football a little sad. I have great pity for guys like Eamon Coleman and Mickey Moran, good men and how they were treated within Derry GAA. I think there are massive issues within Derry GAA that will never be overcome until a little bit of introspection and acknowledgement is undertaken.

But in typical Derry fashion it's all about the scapegoats and bogeymen.

It's a little sad what Brolly has tried to do to a good man like Mickey Moran.

3 AIs to 1. Not really comparable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 03, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
"We had 'er before youns"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 05:05:19 PM
The only fact is that you are either good enough to win the championship or you are not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 03, 2020, 05:52:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 05:05:19 PM
The only fact is that you are either good enough to win the championship or you are not.

God bless the backdoor, she's been good to you boys in the new era of championship football . I'll leave it at that because you Tyrone hooers aren't near wise!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
The regretful thing for Tyrone during the golden years is that Mickey Harte had top players bursting their arses to win McKenna Cups in the winter.  If he had held back for this competition they may have claimed at least another AI title. You'd never get Kerry Lads doing the same with the McGrath Cup. Kerry won no McGrath Cups in the 00's. Minded their players and had a lot of their top players playing well into their 30's!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: uimhr ocht on May 03, 2020, 06:39:42 PM
One of the 93 players in an interview said they wouldnt have won the all ireland in 93 without Mickey morans input as coach and planning training sessions,he had to miss a training session before a big game and Eamon took the session and i think the quote from player was ran the legs of them a week before the match and were beaten thus in that game.In hindsight he shouldnt have taken over in 95 but that derry team in 96,97,98,underacheived,Brian mullins came in and things settled down a bit.Derry have 7 National Titles,6 National leagues,1 all ireland,during the 90 era when they had a capable team they hadnt a safety net like tyrone had in 05,08,its churlish for tyronies to rubbish league titles when they spout how many mc kenna cups they have won.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaafan2 on May 03, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 03, 2020, 07:01:34 PM
Do Tyrone people spout about how many McKenna cups they've won? First I've heard of it.

Exactly, fans of other counties (predominantly Derry wans) use it as a tool to attack Tyrone and/or Micky Harte. Never once have I heard of Tyrone people quoting the McKenna Cup roll of honour ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on May 03, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
The regretful thing for Tyrone during the golden years is that Mickey Harte had top players bursting their arses to win McKenna Cups in the winter.  If he had held back for this competition they may have claimed at least another AI title. You'd never get Kerry Lads doing the same with the McGrath Cup. Kerry won no McGrath Cups in the 00's. Minded their players and had a lot of their top players playing well into their 30's!
We might have nothing either without the attitude of winning every game we played. The fact plenty of newbies were tryed with a few different regulars ervery game worked well for us and still does. The team only trained once a night on the field up until the middle of the league and still do so hardly busting a gut  Every manager has his own way of doing things I guess
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 03, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 03, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
"We had 'er before youns"

100%
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 03, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.

Lol, your lack of self awareness is incredible. I'll let neutrals look over the last few pages of this thread and decide on who is bitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 03, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
The regretful thing for Tyrone during the golden years is that Mickey Harte had top players bursting their arses to win McKenna Cups in the winter.  If he had held back for this competition they may have claimed at least another AI title. You'd never get Kerry Lads doing the same with the McGrath Cup. Kerry won no McGrath Cups in the 00's. Minded their players and had a lot of their top players playing well into their 30's!
We might have nothing either without the attitude of winning every game we played. The fact plenty of newbies were tryed with a few different regulars ervery game worked well for us and still does. The team only trained once a night on the field up until the middle of the league and still do so hardly busting a gut  Every manager has his own way of doing things I guess

Yes, but the Tyrone Golden Generation won at minor and Under 21. They had long seasons before they hit Senior football.  Most were crocked when they reached their late 20's. On the other hand Kerry wrapped their stars in cotton wool over the winter. Players like the O'Sé's, Donaghy, Cooper, Brosnan, Declan/Darren O'Sullivan, O'Mahony and Walsh where still doing a job for Kerry in the 2010's.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.

Lol, your lack of self awareness is incredible. I'll let neutrals look over the last few pages of this thread and decide on who is bitter.

You do that, Lenny.

I have great sympathy for a good man like Mickey Moran and how he is savaged by his own.

Introspection is certainly lacking with the Derry animals. A culture of bogeymen and scapegoats is why Derry have turned from big guns to basement dwellers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 10:52:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 03, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 03, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
The regretful thing for Tyrone during the golden years is that Mickey Harte had top players bursting their arses to win McKenna Cups in the winter.  If he had held back for this competition they may have claimed at least another AI title. You'd never get Kerry Lads doing the same with the McGrath Cup. Kerry won no McGrath Cups in the 00's. Minded their players and had a lot of their top players playing well into their 30's!
We might have nothing either without the attitude of winning every game we played. The fact plenty of newbies were tryed with a few different regulars ervery game worked well for us and still does. The team only trained once a night on the field up until the middle of the league and still do so hardly busting a gut  Every manager has his own way of doing things I guess

Yes, but the Tyrone Golden Generation won at minor and Under 21. They had long seasons before they hit Senior football.  Most were crocked when they reached their late 20's. On the other hand Kerry wrapped their stars in cotton wool over the winter. Players like the O'Sé's, Donaghy, Cooper, Brosnan, Declan/Darren O'Sullivan, O'Mahony and Walsh where still doing a job for Kerry in the 2010's.

The McKenna Cups weren't an issue, it was more having to pit players into the bear's den of Ulster Championship in May when they may not have been ready. As much as people say Tyrone benefited from the qualifiers, it's a road full of dangers. Mayo will know that from the scares they had in recent years - Fermanagh, Derry and Cork come to the top of my head.


The McKenna Cups have largely been won with loads of a new faces and a few experienced heads, it's a myth that Harte has the whole squad going full pelt in January.

Kerry had the advantage of playing in a farcical provincial championship which allowed them to tailor their plans for late July/August every year without worry so it's hardly a fair comparison.

A few guys picked up bad injuries that had nothing to do with being flogged - McGuigan missed the guts of two seasons in that All Ireland winning period with a double leg break and a serious eye injury. Enda McGinley had a fractured spine and a fractured skull. Cormac McAnallen sadly passed away. Ger Cavlan dropped himself off the panel for a while, Kevin Hughes went travelling for a year. Guys like Gormley, McMenamin, Dooher and Sean Cavanagh were some of the players who were able to see out their careers with little injury problems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

On the money Angelo....Moran played a major roll in the 93 success as a trainer. Anyone close to the squad or who knows anything about Derry football at the time will know this. Unfortunately, he didn't believe he got the public recognition he deserved. It wasn't enough for him that the players knew what he had contributed. He was jealous of Eamon, plain and simple. His treachery, ego and lack of humility ended Eamons role. Don't forget Moran and Gribben were also embedded in the co board and were well placed to influence the thinking and plant the seeds. Eamon was in Chicago and had no one from his back room team batting for him. Do not be fooled by his fake public persona.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

On the money Angelo....Moran played a major roll in the 93 success as a trainer. Anyone close to the squad or who knows anything about Derry football at the time will know this. Unfortunately, he didn't believe he got the public recognition he deserved. It wasn't enough for him that the players knew what he had contributed. He was jealous of Eamon, plain and simple. His treachery, ego and lack of humility ended Eamons role. Don't forget Moran and Gribben were also embedded in the co board and were well placed to influence the thinking and plant the seeds. Eamon was in Chicago and had no one from his back room team batting for him. Do not be fooled by his fake public persona.

A classic case of a Derry man.

Scapegoats and bogeymen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 04, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.

Lol, your lack of self awareness is incredible. I'll let neutrals look over the last few pages of this thread and decide on who is bitter.

You do that, Lenny.

I have great sympathy for a good man like Mickey Moran and how he is savaged by his own.

Introspection is certainly lacking with the Derry animals. A culture of bogeymen and scapegoats is why Derry have turned from big guns to basement dwellers.

Jesus Angelo went in strong here  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 04, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 04, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.

Lol, your lack of self awareness is incredible. I'll let neutrals look over the last few pages of this thread and decide on who is bitter.

You do that, Lenny.

I have great sympathy for a good man like Mickey Moran and how he is savaged by his own.

Introspection is certainly lacking with the Derry animals. A culture of bogeymen and scapegoats is why Derry have turned from big guns to basement dwellers.

Jesus Angelo went in strong here  :o

Angelo, stay safe kid. This lockdown won't last forever.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Par for the course for Angelo he's been at that nonsense long before lockdown. . . get him started on Tyrone's all Irelands being tainted by cynical play from Ricey et al and constant diving about the place by Cavanagh and watch him go  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 02, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 30, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.
On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.
Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.

'Amazing'  ;D FFS you were leading by 3 points at half-time against 13 men on one of the hottest days of the year, a fact not mentioned by Brolly in his eirsport propaganda broadcast, yet your more illustrious neighbours still beat yis. 'Amazing' indeed. Think the word that best describes it is 'pathetic', especially remembering the celebrations by the inbreds on the terraces at half-time and the rubbing it in to Tyrone fans, youse thought the game was already won.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on May 04, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
None of this covers up the fact that Derry had a bang average forward line and even the greatest managers of all time ever have achieved feck all squared unless they've had 3 very useful forwards to call upon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 07:13:06 PM
Am I now the bogeyman for the Derry ones during lockdown?

It's a very strange complex they have.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 04, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

On the money Angelo....Moran played a major roll in the 93 success as a trainer. Anyone close to the squad or who knows anything about Derry football at the time will know this. Unfortunately, he didn't believe he got the public recognition he deserved. It wasn't enough for him that the players knew what he had contributed. He was jealous of Eamon, plain and simple. His treachery, ego and lack of humility ended Eamons role. Don't forget Moran and Gribben were also embedded in the co board and were well placed to influence the thinking and plant the seeds. Eamon was in Chicago and had no one from his back room team batting for him. Do not be fooled by his fake public persona.

A classic case of a Derry man.

Scapegoats and bogeymen.
Neither, just fact. That is what happened; those named were responsible. Please do point out anything that I've said that you know to be incorrect?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 04, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 03, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 01, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

On the money Angelo....Moran played a major roll in the 93 success as a trainer. Anyone close to the squad or who knows anything about Derry football at the time will know this. Unfortunately, he didn't believe he got the public recognition he deserved. It wasn't enough for him that the players knew what he had contributed. He was jealous of Eamon, plain and simple. His treachery, ego and lack of humility ended Eamons role. Don't forget Moran and Gribben were also embedded in the co board and were well placed to influence the thinking and plant the seeds. Eamon was in Chicago and had no one from his back room team batting for him. Do not be fooled by his fake public persona.

A classic case of a Derry man.

Scapegoats and bogeymen.
Neither, just fact. That is what happened; those named were responsible. Please do point out anything that I've said that you know to be incorrect?

It's classic Derry, never look internally for answers. Ignore the toxic culture of treachery and scapegoating in Derry football and you go from being big hitters to basement dwellers.

It's easier to try and scapegoat an individual or group of individuals than looking internally and asking the tough questions. There's a real mental weakness there, you can see it in guys like screenexile and Lenny here.

They're far more concerned in trying to denigrate Tyrone football than tackling the toxic culture in Derry football.

Derry football is going nowhere until some men are big enough to tackle that culture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 07:55:23 PM
Total lack of cajones and self respect on a county level. Take a f**king lesson from the pride shown by Slaughtneil, and then maybe you will grow a spine and stop blaming everybody else but yourselves for the pathetic shape you find yourselves in. We used to hate you (in a sporting sense), now we just laugh at you and feel pity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on May 04, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 04, 2020, 07:55:23 PM
Total lack of cajones and self respect on a county level. Take a f**king lesson from the pride shown by Slaughtneil, and then maybe you will grow a spine and stop blaming everybody else but yourselves for the pathetic shape you find yourselves in. We used to hate you (in a sporting sense), now we just laugh at you and feel pity.

I still sense a lot of hatred and anger given the amount of replies from yourself and Angelo. I'd ignore Silverhill's many comments on Mickey Moran. It's certainly a sore point from him. The previous Derry Club thread was locked after a few rants from him about the Moran/Coleman saga.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 09:11:21 PM
Count how many replies in last 28 days Estimator, not many kid. Brolly is an utter hypocrite who was not expecting himself to be fucked out on his ear by RTE , such was his arrogance. I am from Tyrone, I have no great love for RTE,  but that gobshite on a weekly basis denigrated non terrestrial TV and anybody working on it because it denied wee care home residents in Donegal or Limerick their right to watch GAA  games for free. Second he is fucked out he bends over backwards and accepts a job on non terrestrial TV to keep the cash rolling in. A total non-principled arsehole. It is not even a debate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

Sad Screen, sad. Grasping at straws. 3-1. 3-1. 3-1. Get over it, cos with you guys it will always be 1. Always 1. Always. Whereas with us, there will always be a chance, always a chance...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I feel pity for Derry, looking at how they destroyed themselves through pure nastiness, egotism and bitterness - how they turned from big hitters into basement dwellers, screwing over their own good men in the process.

Rather than ask the hard questions about how Derry football could falls so badly, so quickly, you guys like to create bogeymen and scapegoats. It's a sad, sad culture and it's about time some Derry GAA men had the backbone to address it rather than point and say look over there.

Character and fortitude seems to be badly lacking with ye.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 04, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

What's interesting on here is how the Tyrone fans seem to be getting angrier and angrier and in my opinion it's because they can't seem to deal with the facts that when you compare the 2 teams on a like with like basis (the only fair way to compare them) then Derry come out on top by virtue of 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues to 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. There is no doubt in my mind, and I know it's completely hypocritical, that if the 2 teams had met then it would've been a great match with Derry coming on top by 2 or 3 points.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
Jesus a lot of big talk from the Tyronies on here last few days, talking bout a whole counties backbone, character, fortitude,

for a county that produced the likes of McCarron and Cavlan yis would be better keepin the head down a bit lads
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
Jesus a lot of big talk from the Tyronies on here last few days, talking bout a whole counties backbone, character, fortitude,

for a county that produced the likes of McCarron and Cavlan yis would be better keepin the head down a bit lads

What about counties who produce the likes of Johnny McGurk? Should that disqualify them from speaking?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaafan2 on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 04, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

What's interesting on here is how the Tyrone fans seem to be getting angrier and angrier and in my opinion it's because they can't seem to deal with the facts that when you compare the 2 teams on a like with like basis (the only fair way to compare them) then Derry come out on top by virtue of 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues to 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. There is no doubt in my mind, and I know it's completely hypocritical, that if the 2 teams had met then it would've been a great match with Derry coming on top by 2 or 3 points.

Look at what your writing you eejit. 1 all Ireland title each, really??

If your discounting 2 of them as they were won threw the back door you need your head examined. An average enough 13 man Tyrone team had too much for Derry in 95 therefore I very much doubt they'd have fared too well in qualifiers.

Now please don't embarrass your fella Derry gaels with any more of your sh#@e talk.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 04, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

What's interesting on here is how the Tyrone fans seem to be getting angrier and angrier and in my opinion it's because they can't seem to deal with the facts that when you compare the 2 teams on a like with like basis (the only fair way to compare them) then Derry come out on top by virtue of 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues to 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. There is no doubt in my mind, and I know it's completely hypocritical, that if the 2 teams had met then it would've been a great match with Derry coming on top by 2 or 3 points.

Look at what your writing you eejit. 1 all Ireland title each, really??

If your discounting 2 of them as they were won threw the back door you need your head examined. An average enough 13 man Tyrone team had too much for Derry in 95 therefore I very much doubt they'd have fared too well in qualifiers.

Now please don't embarrass your fella Derry gaels with any more of your sh#@e talk.

He lost his marbles many years ago. He's regularly in the Tyrone forums talking nonsense, Tyrone GAA have became his bogeyman. All the ills of Derry GAA are due to Tyrone GAA in Lenny's mind, nothing to do without they shamelessly to treat good men within his own county.

It's always easier find someone else to blame than ask the hard questions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on May 04, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 04, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

What's interesting on here is how the Tyrone fans seem to be getting angrier and angrier and in my opinion it's because they can't seem to deal with the facts that when you compare the 2 teams on a like with like basis (the only fair way to compare them) then Derry come out on top by virtue of 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues to 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. There is no doubt in my mind, and I know it's completely hypocritical, that if the 2 teams had met then it would've been a great match with Derry coming on top by 2 or 3 points.

Look at what your writing you eejit. 1 all Ireland title each, really??

If your discounting 2 of them as they were won threw the back door you need your head examined. An average enough 13 man Tyrone team had too much for Derry in 95 therefore I very much doubt they'd have fared too well in qualifiers.

Now please don't embarrass your fella Derry gaels with any more of your sh#@e talk.

But who knows? I'd like to think Derry would have faired rightly in the qualifiers with that team / squad. Tyrone faired OK in 2008 after being knocked out in the 1st round of the Ulster Championship to a mid table div 3 side.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 10:34:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 04, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 04, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 09:16:55 PM
I think Angelo is still smarting from Plunkett Donaghmede dropping that ball into the net... as the man said "we won her before younes"

What's interesting on here is how the Tyrone fans seem to be getting angrier and angrier and in my opinion it's because they can't seem to deal with the facts that when you compare the 2 teams on a like with like basis (the only fair way to compare them) then Derry come out on top by virtue of 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues to 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. There is no doubt in my mind, and I know it's completely hypocritical, that if the 2 teams had met then it would've been a great match with Derry coming on top by 2 or 3 points.

Look at what your writing you eejit. 1 all Ireland title each, really??

If your discounting 2 of them as they were won threw the back door you need your head examined. An average enough 13 man Tyrone team had too much for Derry in 95 therefore I very much doubt they'd have fared too well in qualifiers.

Now please don't embarrass your fella Derry gaels with any more of your sh#@e talk.

But who knows? I'd like to think Derry would have faired rightly in the qualifiers with that team / squad. Tyrone faired OK in 2008 after being knocked out in the 1st round of the Ulster Championship to a mid table div 3 side.

Tyrone knew they had a second chance.

Derry knew they didn't and couldn't do it.

And it ended 3-1.

Derry need someone to be brave and courageous, to stop pointing the finger and saying look over there, to lead a county away from a culture of bogeymen and scapegoating that has led them to the bottom.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 10:51:51 PM
Poor Angelo struggling with the fact we win it 10 years before Tyrone and won it the right way... he'll realise it some day soon!! It's quite sad actually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
Jesus a lot of big talk from the Tyronies on here last few days, talking bout a whole counties backbone, character, fortitude,

for a county that produced the likes of McCarron and Cavlan yis would be better keepin the head down a bit lads

Jesus! Ha. Is this the best you can do Jib. I have always enjoyed your posts for their utter ridiculousness cos I always thought you were off your face, but this proves it. Get real. Everybody outside Derry sees it. You sad arseholes don't. You are very, very close to being beyond help, and the more you defend the Dungiven chimp the more you lose the argument. He's not doing you any favours. He's in it for himself. HE'S NOT IN IT FOR DERRY.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
Never once defended Joe but sure you read what you want. Youre not the brightest i can tell that straightaway.

What posts have you enjoyed, cant say ive noticed you much 😉😃
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2020, 10:51:51 PM
Poor Angelo struggling with the fact we win it 10 years before Tyrone and won it the right way... he'll realise it some day soon!! It's quite sad actually.

Screen, log off. It's pathetic kid. Go to bed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2020, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
Never once defended Joe but sure you read what you want. Youre not the brightest i can tell that straightaway.

What posts have you enjoyed, cant say ive noticed you much 😉😃

Jib, been here lot longer than you kid. Not bright by your standard. But then must not be much of a standard when you have to use wee funny faces. May I add how hurt I am you never noticed me much. Not.  ;D  That's a wee funny face, by the way.

And by the way. Read the title of the thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
Jesus wept. I cant even argue with this. Good luck amigo i wish you well on your journey
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on May 05, 2020, 12:28:41 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
Jesus wept. I cant even argue with this. Good luck amigo i wish you well on your journey

Yep.Typical inbred response. Pathetic. This is what happens when jealousy eats you up...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 05, 2020, 08:38:51 AM
It's the only team for Derry so I get the importance of making them continuously relevant.. if your logic is factual comparisons go through the whole thing.. How did their Ulster championship comparisons go as well/ mc Kenna cup? All stars etc?
That down game 94 done more for Derry football than they actually realise. For half an hour Derry actually played football and not the dour crap associated with the 93 season. Don't forget they beat a cork team there by accident whose sell by date was 1990 in the final.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 05, 2020, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 05, 2020, 08:38:51 AM
It's the only team for Derry so I get the importance of making them continuously relevant.. if your logic is factual comparisons go through the whole thing.. How did their Ulster championship comparisons go as well/ mc Kenna cup? All stars etc?
That down game 94 done more for Derry football than they actually realise. For half an hour Derry actually played football and not the dour crap associated with the 93 season. Don't forget they beat a cork team there by accident whose sell by date was 1990 in the final.

did you watch the 1st round game v Down in 93 or the all Ireland semi final v Dublin....Derry were many things that year, but dour certainly wouldn't be how you would describe their football style. Very rich coming from a Tyrone supporter I might add. The county that gave us puke football and the blanket defence. A county that is universally detested throughout Ireland, team and supporters alike. Why is that do you think? Jealousy.... 6 county team....if that's the case they why are Down not in the same boat?? Little bit of reflection inwards required lads. Self awareness is a very underrated trait.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 05, 2020, 09:14:53 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 05, 2020, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 05, 2020, 08:38:51 AM
It's the only team for Derry so I get the importance of making them continuously relevant.. if your logic is factual comparisons go through the whole thing.. How did their Ulster championship comparisons go as well/ mc Kenna cup? All stars etc?
That down game 94 done more for Derry football than they actually realise. For half an hour Derry actually played football and not the dour crap associated with the 93 season. Don't forget they beat a cork team there by accident whose sell by date was 1990 in the final.

did you watch the 1st round game v Down in 93 or the all Ireland semi final v Dublin....Derry were many things that year, but dour certainly wouldn't be how you would describe their football style. Very rich coming from a Tyrone supporter I might add. The county that gave us puke football and the blanket defence. A county that is universally detested throughout Ireland, team and supporters alike. Why is that do you think? Jealousy.... 6 county team....if that's the case they why are Down not in the same boat?? Little bit of reflection inwards required lads. Self awareness is a very underrated trait.

Triggered
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on May 05, 2020, 09:18:42 AM
From Brolly's interview, a couple of things I made from it:

Coleman on two occasions bottled the chance to repair the divide between CB and the players, leaving it up to the players to decide the extent of McGuigan's involvement. Not very good managerial skills imo.

In fact, after listening to that interview, I would lay the blame solely with the players. Their egos were out of control, to the point that it got nasty.
Why did it take for Coleman to meet them to make them realise the fundamental point that Derry GAA was all that mattered?
That they wouldn't listen to their own friends and families.
Taking to calling fellow GAA players scabs because they played for their county in a time of need. Jesus.

I like listening to Brolly, but sometimes he has you shouting at the screen. The sign of a good pundit I suppose (His article in this week's Sunday Independent was excellent).

It's easy to say they would have won more AIs if Coleman had have stayed.

I have heard from more than one of the Down 90s team that they felt they left an AI behind them, 92 in particular.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on May 05, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
Jesus lads, Tyrone won 3 All-Ireland's and we won wan.

That should say it really. They were the better team for years.

I hate the shower of bastards , but that's fact.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 05, 2020, 09:57:17 AM
Derry were a good side make no mistake but they love blaming the fact that Coleman was ousted as the reason as to why they didn't win anymore. Weak teams find excuses. They always look to blame others. Brolly a case in point bringing this up nearly 30 years later.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 05, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 05, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
Jesus lads, Tyrone won 3 All-Ireland's and we won wan.

That should say it really. They were the better team for years.

I hate the shower of bastards , but that's fact.

I love this post  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on May 05, 2020, 11:12:23 AM
I just watched the first few episodes of the Michael Jordan documentary on netflix, Jerry Krause the Chicago Bulls general manager in a press conference in Phil Jacksons final season said something like 'I don't give a **** if he goes 82-0 he won't be here next season'.  Similarly with Jimmy Johnson and the Dallas Cowboys, he got sacked after winning back to back Superbowls.  Not sure Colemans sacking is quite in that category but it's a strange 1 that he got sacked after winning the county's first All Ireland and then losing a very tight game to the eventual champions.  It's hard to understand what the Derry county board where thinking.

Mickey Moran's record as a manager can be compared favourably with most so it surprises me that he took the job with all the ill feeling around.  Now that Brolly has said what he has said it would be interesting to get Moran's take on how it all played out.  e.g. was Moran a) informed that Coleman was sacked and then asked would he interested in applying for the job and thought Derry still had a very good team and it would be a pity to break it up with a completely new management team or b) was he approached before Coleman was sacked and asked would he be interested in Coleman's job if he was to be sacked.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 05, 2020, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

I love this - vintage Lenny.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on May 05, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
Meanwhile Derry at club level show you how to do it. Grassroots is massively healthy in Derry. Top of the leader board by a stretch when it comes to clubs winning Ulster Senior and Minor club championships and All Ireland clubs in Ulster. Armagh has one club, Cross. Down one club, Burren. Whilst we have a number of clubs successful clubs at provinal and All ireland level. The football culture in Derry is very healthy. We as county from way back in the 50's have not been regularly winning Ulster senior titles at County football. Our current phase is typical of many periods we have had, because we have a small pick of club players. Outstanding clubs as they are, but at county level it is a numbers game. Our resources are small. it has feck all to do with bitterness, jealousy etc. The shafting of Coleman is well known. The book published by Maria Mc Court called 'The Boys of 93' tells the story for all to see how Coleman was shafted. Take time to read it and it will give you an insight rather than waffling on here. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on May 05, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
Meanwhile Derry at club level show you how to do it. Grassroots is massively healthy in Derry. Top of the leader board by a stretch when it comes to clubs winning Ulster Senior and Minor club championships and All Ireland clubs in Ulster. Armagh has one club, Cross. Down one club, Burren. Whilst we have a number of clubs successful clubs at provinal and All ireland level. The football culture in Derry is very healthy. We as county from way back in the 50's have not been regularly winning Ulster senior titles at County football. Our current phase is typical of many periods we have had, because we have a small pick of club players. Outstanding clubs as they are, but at county level it is a numbers game. Our resources are small. it has feck all to do with bitterness, jealousy etc. The shafting of Coleman is well known. The book published by Maria Mc Court called 'The Boys of 93' tells the story for all to see how Coleman was shafted. Take time to read it and it will give you an insight rather than waffling on here.

Is it?

Derry club football has been dominated by Slaughtneil and Ballinderry for most of the last decade. Intermediate and junior clubs have done very poorly at provincial level.

Derry have as big a nationalist population as any other county in the O6 but fails to get anything from the city.

Scapegoats and bogeymen won't bring Derry football back, there's a toxic culture in Derry GAA - it's very easy to see why when you look at some of the Derry posters here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

Bogeymen, scapegoats. Derry got one and ended any chance of anything more because a toxic culture festered around the county that nobody was big enough to take hold of. You have spend the past two and a half decades looking for someone and something to blame rather than accepting the problem was wholly internal.

Keep loitering around the Tyrone forums with your multiple aliases though, you were crazy before lockdown, you're not even aware that the levels of seethe and rancour inside you aren't normal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 05, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

Bogeymen, scapegoats. Derry got one and ended any chance of anything more because a toxic culture festered around the county that nobody was big enough to take hold of. You have spend the past two and a half decades looking for someone and something to blame rather than accepting the problem was wholly internal.

Keep loitering around the Tyrone forums with your multiple aliases though, you were crazy before lockdown, you're not even aware that the levels of seethe and rancour inside you aren't normal.
Angelo, I'm curious, but have you somehow indoctrinated yourself to only post and use the words 'scapegoat and bogeymen'?
The word 'toxic' very prevalent as well.
Very odd.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 05, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
To be fair he's talking about Derry football, there's not too many other words he can use.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on May 05, 2020, 02:10:51 PM
There you go, educate yourselves

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boys-93-Derrys-All-Ireland-Kings-ebook/dp/B07GY2WFFF (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boys-93-Derrys-All-Ireland-Kings-ebook/dp/B07GY2WFFF)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 05, 2020, 03:32:13 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on May 05, 2020, 02:10:51 PM
There you go, educate yourselves

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boys-93-Derrys-All-Ireland-Kings-ebook/dp/B07GY2WFFF (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boys-93-Derrys-All-Ireland-Kings-ebook/dp/B07GY2WFFF)

Derry propaganda
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 05, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

Bogeymen, scapegoats. Derry got one and ended any chance of anything more because a toxic culture festered around the county that nobody was big enough to take hold of. You have spend the past two and a half decades looking for someone and something to blame rather than accepting the problem was wholly internal.

Keep loitering around the Tyrone forums with your multiple aliases though, you were crazy before lockdown, you're not even aware that the levels of seethe and rancour inside you aren't normal.

Angelo, I definitely think this lockdown is getting to you so let's call a truce until it's over. I don't want to be the person responsible for you taking it out on your wife/cousin.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

Bogeymen, scapegoats. Derry got one and ended any chance of anything more because a toxic culture festered around the county that nobody was big enough to take hold of. You have spend the past two and a half decades looking for someone and something to blame rather than accepting the problem was wholly internal.

Keep loitering around the Tyrone forums with your multiple aliases though, you were crazy before lockdown, you're not even aware that the levels of seethe and rancour inside you aren't normal.

Angelo, I definitely think this lockdown is getting to you so let's call a truce until it's over. I don't want to be the person responsible for you taking it out on your wife/cousin.

You think this lockdown is getting to me?

You're a Derryman, who goes around creating scapegoats and bogeymen to blame for the collapse of Derry football, pin the blame on some of your own county men, a good man like Mickey Moran, a proud Derryman pounced on and savaged by the Derry animals.

You spend a fair chunk of your time on here lurking around the Tyrone forums, like a voyeur, sometimes getting mixed up which login you're using as you launch your venom against Mickey Harte.

It's another classic post from you, introspection, self-awareness, conscience - things absent in you and most Derry men - so you need not worry about my wife or my cousins - it's actually Derry people who have a habit of taking their own failings out on their own in very vindictive and unwarranted fashion. The absence of the aforementioned just stops you from seeing that.

The rancour and bitterness that flows through you is extremely unhealthy, we'll see you lurking over on the Tyrone forums shortly no doubt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 05, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
Angelo you've said the same thing about 10 times, you're like a broken record
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 05, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
Some utterly fascinating insights into the mindset of Derry GAA people here.

Derry were once big hitters but there's a culture there of jealousy, bitterness and egotism that brought it down. A toxic culture that brought them from one of the best teams in Ireland to one of the worst. 1 Ulster final appearance in the past 19 years, the last time they made an AI SF, a good man was in charge of them - Mickey Moran. This is the chap the Derry animals on here are busy trying to sling mud at scapegoat. You get plenty of slabberers like screen and lenny from Derry, always quick to point and cast the blame somewhere else but never man enough to look at how the game has fallen within the county and ask the hard questions.

Lenny is regularly hanging around the Tyrone forums on here, always looking to put the boot in, wanting to see Tyrone football crash and burn in the same manner Derry football did. A Derryman absolutely obsessed with the fortunes of Tyrone football, it keeps him awake at night - it's bizarre - the levels of bitterness, rancour and seethe he was with Tyrone because Derry football was brought down by a bunch of fifth columnists and nobody in Derry is seemingly man enough to come out and address the issue. Meanwhile, he was his neighbours surpass Derry and he can't live with that - its a bitterness that simmers every living day with him, when you see the disgusting things the Derry lads say about a good man like Mickey Moran, a respected and successful coach, well admired across the whole island, does it surprise you with the vitriol and bile he emits to the man that brought Tyrone 3 AIs? Not at all.

Sometimes Lenny even forgets which account he has logged in under to have a pop at Mickey Harte, that my friends is an insight into the psyche of Derry football. If they showed half as much endeavour into reforming that toxic culture that exists in Derry football as they do into looking for bogeymen and scapegoats to make up for their shortcomings then they wouldn't be long returning to some form of credibility.

Angelo, as I said earlier you stay safe kid, lockdown will soon be over.
Just to point out the facts again with like for like comparison. Derry obviously didn't play with a back door so comparing the 2 teams record through the front door. That Derry team won 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues, Tyrone won 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. To compare the 2 teams any other way leads to hypotheticals. Tyrone won another 2 all Ireland's through the back door, in most people's opinion that Derry team would've won at least another 2 or 3. That is easy enough to surmise because of how dominant they were in league football beating all the big teams on a regular basis. Hard to argue with the facts lads.

Bogeymen, scapegoats. Derry got one and ended any chance of anything more because a toxic culture festered around the county that nobody was big enough to take hold of. You have spend the past two and a half decades looking for someone and something to blame rather than accepting the problem was wholly internal.

Keep loitering around the Tyrone forums with your multiple aliases though, you were crazy before lockdown, you're not even aware that the levels of seethe and rancour inside you aren't normal.

Angelo, I definitely think this lockdown is getting to you so let's call a truce until it's over. I don't want to be the person responsible for you taking it out on your wife/cousin.

You think this lockdown is getting to me?

You're a Derryman, who goes around creating scapegoats and bogeymen to blame for the collapse of Derry football, pin the blame on some of your own county men, a good man like Mickey Moran, a proud Derryman pounced on and savaged by the Derry animals.

You spend a fair chunk of your time on here lurking around the Tyrone forums, like a voyeur, sometimes getting mixed up which login you're using as you launch your venom against Mickey Harte.

It's another classic post from you, introspection, self-awareness, conscience - things absent in you and most Derry men - so you need not worry about my wife or my cousins - it's actually Derry people who have a habit of taking their own failings out on their own in very vindictive and unwarranted fashion. The absence of the aforementioned just stops you from seeing that.

The rancour and bitterness that flows through you is extremely unhealthy, we'll see you lurking over on the Tyrone forums shortly no doubt.

Good man, so a truce it is then. It's for the best.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 05, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
Angelo you've said the same thing about 10 times, you're like a broken record

The truth doesn't change.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

We're on the floor yet you lads flock to a Joe Brolly thread to slag Derry... the siege mentality is alive and well in Deliverance!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 08:18:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

We're on the floor yet you lads flock to a Joe Brolly thread to slag Derry... the siege mentality is alive and well in Deliverance!!!

Flock to see him?

Brolly courts attention and controversy, he used his position as a national pundit to have an extremely nasty and vindictive go at a good man at Mickey Moran, a successful and well liked GAA coach who shies away from the media - it's as cheap as you'd expect from Brolly. He used Moran as the scapegoat as to why Derry didn't achieve more. Brolly himself was a good man to go missing when needed by Derry but as usual he finds it easier to try and pin the blame on someone else or create a bogeyman to get people to look over there.

Yourself and Lenny have then proceeded to lose the plot when a few home truths have been pointed out.

Bless ye.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2020, 09:20:49 AM
May i propose - "Bless ye all. Yer a county of scapegoats and bogeymen".

Youre welcome
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 06, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 08:18:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

We're on the floor yet you lads flock to a Joe Brolly thread to slag Derry... the siege mentality is alive and well in Deliverance!!!

Flock to see him?

Brolly courts attention and controversy, he used his position as a national pundit to have an extremely nasty and vindictive go at a good man at Mickey Moran, a successful and well liked GAA coach who shies away from the media - it's as cheap as you'd expect from Brolly. He used Moran as the scapegoat as to why Derry didn't achieve more. Brolly himself was a good man to go missing when needed by Derry but as usual he finds it easier to try and pin the blame on someone else or create a bogeyman to get people to look over there.

Yourself and Lenny have then proceeded to lose the plot when a few home truths have been pointed out.

Bless ye.

I'm not sure this is how a truce is supposed to work angelo.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 06, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 08:18:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

We're on the floor yet you lads flock to a Joe Brolly thread to slag Derry... the siege mentality is alive and well in Deliverance!!!

Flock to see him?

Brolly courts attention and controversy, he used his position as a national pundit to have an extremely nasty and vindictive go at a good man at Mickey Moran, a successful and well liked GAA coach who shies away from the media - it's as cheap as you'd expect from Brolly. He used Moran as the scapegoat as to why Derry didn't achieve more. Brolly himself was a good man to go missing when needed by Derry but as usual he finds it easier to try and pin the blame on someone else or create a bogeyman to get people to look over there.

Yourself and Lenny have then proceeded to lose the plot when a few home truths have been pointed out.

Bless ye.

I'm not sure this is how a truce is supposed to work angelo.

I didn't agree to any so called truce. My only obligation is the truth, we operate in different manners, you are regularly on here lurking on the Tyrone forums, dipping into your other aliases and spewing your bile against Tyrone.

I've no real axe to grind with Derry GAA because Derry GAA's own worst enemy is their own. You look at the scurrilous attack from Brolly on Mickey Moran last week as a prime example. You then look at the how the likes of yourself, screen and jibber jabber reacted - not one of ye could acknowledge what's very evident about how Derry went from big hitters to basement dwellers - it was all about pinning scapegoats and creating bogeymen.

I feel pity for what has happened to Derry, I was delighted for them when they won an AI but it's clear to see it went to their heads and a toxic culture has existed there since with nobody big enough inside the county to call it out for what it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 06, 2020, 10:49:29 AM
"Truth not truce" - Angelo off of the gaaboard calls out the scapegoats and bogeymen.

My pleasure
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 06, 2020, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: lenny on May 06, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 08:18:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 05, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 05, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
You forgot scapegoats and bogeymen.

Id propose "the truth doesnt change when i speak of the scapegoats and bogeymen"

Youre welcome

It's true and it's the inability of Derry GAA to recognise that brought their county team from the top to the floor.

We're on the floor yet you lads flock to a Joe Brolly thread to slag Derry... the siege mentality is alive and well in Deliverance!!!

Flock to see him?

Brolly courts attention and controversy, he used his position as a national pundit to have an extremely nasty and vindictive go at a good man at Mickey Moran, a successful and well liked GAA coach who shies away from the media - it's as cheap as you'd expect from Brolly. He used Moran as the scapegoat as to why Derry didn't achieve more. Brolly himself was a good man to go missing when needed by Derry but as usual he finds it easier to try and pin the blame on someone else or create a bogeyman to get people to look over there.

Yourself and Lenny have then proceeded to lose the plot when a few home truths have been pointed out.

Bless ye.

I'm not sure this is how a truce is supposed to work angelo.

I didn't agree to any so called truce. My only obligation is the truth, we operate in different manners, you are regularly on here lurking on the Tyrone forums, dipping into your other aliases and spewing your bile against Tyrone.

I've no real axe to grind with Derry GAA because Derry GAA's own worst enemy is their own. You look at the scurrilous attack from Brolly on Mickey Moran last week as a prime example. You then look at the how the likes of yourself, screen and jibber jabber reacted - not one of ye could acknowledge what's very evident about how Derry went from big hitters to basement dwellers - it was all about pinning scapegoats and creating bogeymen.

I feel pity for what has happened to Derry, I was delighted for them when they won an AI but it's clear to see it went to their heads and a toxic culture has existed there since with nobody big enough inside the county to call it out for what it is.

Yeooo, no ceasefire sell out for Angelo. Fair play to you for sticking to your guns.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 06, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Let me suggest "I didn't agree to any so called truce, cos yes went from being big hitters to basement dwellers".

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 06, 2020, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 06, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Let me suggest "I didn't agree to any so called truce, cos yes went from being big hitters to basement dwellers".

Lol, no mention of bogeymen and scapegoats
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 06, 2020, 04:46:28 PM
The fact that no one from Derry comes out and calls Brolly an attention seeking whore speaks volumes. They love him and would get up and ride him if given have the chance.
Angelo is right, the best opponent Derry ever had was themselves. Half the players don't turn up and those that do, only do so for the free gear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 06, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 04:46:28 PM
The fact that no one from Derry comes out and calls Brolly an attention seeking whore speaks volumes. They love him and would get up and ride him if given have the chance.
Angelo is right, the best opponent Derry ever had was themselves. Half the players don't turn up and those that do, only do so for the free gear.

Fairs fair I'll call Brolly an attention seeking whore as long you call Ricey/Cavanagh/Tiernan McCann/Peter the taxi, cheating bastards??

Then we're all square  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyrone08 on May 06, 2020, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Was having a rotten day until I read this. Have to say I properly laughed out loud at this, so thank you. Its great to hear that from a completely irrelevant county. If you stayed in any competition long enough I am sure there would be a few incidents with use involved.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 06, 2020, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 06, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Ach, you're not finished, are you? :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 06, 2020, 11:50:40 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Another tormented voyeur here. After the self sabotage they inflicted on their own county, their only purpose is to go overdrive into a smear campaign on their neighbours.

You have nobody to blame but yourselves. It's an awful pity that your cowardice has reduced you to. 25 years of behaving like slabbering brats has brought Derry to the bottom and rather than try and learn lessons, they degrade themselves to new lows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 11:10:51 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 07, 2020, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C13dr9N9/45954888-derry-bench.jpg)

Obviously watching Cavanagh diving to get another one of our lads sent off. . . Standard!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 07, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 07, 2020, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C13dr9N9/45954888-derry-bench.jpg)

Sums Derry, Derry players, Derry management, Derry Co Board, Derry fans and Joe Brolly up perfectly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Best laugh I've had in a while on here. Been a while since we've had a good, hate fueled, rant like this. Covid 19 lockdown obviously getting the better of some on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Best laugh I've had in a while on here. Been a while since we've had a good, hate fueled, rant like this. Covid 19 lockdown obviously getting the better of some on here.

Tyrone ... everyone's favourite county  :o :o!!

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Best laugh I've had in a while on here. Been a while since we've had a good, hate fueled, rant like this. Covid 19 lockdown obviously getting the better of some on here.

Tyrone ... everyone's favourite county  :o :o!!

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072

You boys only dream of the day where fans of the top counties sing "F*** Derry". But they dont, for the same reason they dont sing about Carlow or Longford.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 01:03:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 06, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 06, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

Obsessed at laughing at Derry alright

Absolutely despised throughout Ireland. Length and breadth. The diving and cheating on the pitch and the herd mentality of the supporters doesn't go unnoticed. Zero class as a county. Dropping knees on opponents, feigning injury, diving, sledging....it all has a price... and that's your collective reputation and legacy unfortunately.

Best laugh I've had in a while on here. Been a while since we've had a good, hate fueled, rant like this. Covid 19 lockdown obviously getting the better of some on here.

Tyrone ... everyone's favourite county  :o :o!!

https://twitter.com/dermonolan91/status/1168270765357187072

It wouldn't be an anti Tyrone rant without Screen getting in on the act. lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.

Nor me Tyrone... I remember it well National League final 1992 I was 11 years old being told by some grey p***k from Tattyreagh there wasn't any London in Tyrone just as Tohill strode up and placed the ball expertly between poor Plunkett's hands. . . the look on his face makes me smile to this day  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 07, 2020, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.

Nor me Tyrone... I remember it well National League final 1992 I was 11 years old being told by some grey p***k from Tattyreagh there wasn't any London in Tyrone just as Tohill strode up and placed the ball expertly between poor Plunkett's hands. . . the look on his face makes me smile to this day  ;D ;D

If it was an 11 year old who said that to an aul fella, you'd make allowances, being a child and all  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 07, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.

Nor me Tyrone... I remember it well National League final 1992 I was 11 years old being told by some grey p***k from Tattyreagh there wasn't any London in Tyrone just as Tohill strode up and placed the ball expertly between poor Plunkett's hands. . . the look on his face makes me smile to this day  ;D ;D

Ah now in fairness, we in Tyrone don't even like Tattyreagh.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 07, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.

Nor me Tyrone... I remember it well National League final 1992 I was 11 years old being told by some grey p***k from Tattyreagh there wasn't any London in Tyrone just as Tohill strode up and placed the ball expertly between poor Plunkett's hands. . . the look on his face makes me smile to this day  ;D ;D

I remember that day well, great day. What's ironic about it is if plunkett had only managed to hold onto that ball then on the like with like comparison Tyrone would be level with Derry on 1 all Ireland and 3 national leagues each. Just as well he dropped it as it continues to give us the bragging rights.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 07, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
I will never get tired of listening to the absolute bile and hatred that flows out of Derry wans. It has brought decades of entertainment.

Nor me Tyrone... I remember it well National League final 1992 I was 11 years old being told by some grey p***k from Tattyreagh there wasn't any London in Tyrone just as Tohill strode up and placed the ball expertly between poor Plunkett's hands. . . the look on his face makes me smile to this day  ;D ;D

It's been 28 years. If he was grey in 1992 he's probably gone at this stage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 07, 2020, 07:29:03 PM
Brilliant. Absolutely Brilliant.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2020, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.
😂

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 07, 2020, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.

More please, more!! I eat this stuff for breakfast.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 07, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.

Was on a bus once in Dublin for a concert, there was a loch of Derry wans on it to. The Dubs were fierce keen to know what part of Scotland they were all from!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hoof Hearted on May 07, 2020, 10:07:01 PM
I dont get involved much in derry Tyrone crap
I worked in cookstown for nigh on 20 years
I've been living in antrim now for a lock a years and they cant understand why in 2017 I was the only one in the bar supporting Dublin in the semi final
When I had to go to work the next morning up in that fuckin hole you would understand why
😡
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.

Did you clock your blood pressure when you were posting that?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on May 07, 2020, 11:11:13 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on May 07, 2020, 10:07:01 PM
I dont get involved much in derry Tyrone crap
I worked in cookstown for nigh on 20 years
I've been living in antrim now for a lock a years and they cant understand why in 2017 I was the only one in the bar supporting Dublin in the semi final
When I had to go to work the next morning up in that fuckin hole you would understand why
😡
Jeez imagine spending 20 years working somewhere you hated. You not still working there are you
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 08, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 07, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 06, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Are Tyrone fans the closest thing to rangers fans in GAA? When it comes to being completely obsessed they're two peas in a pod!

I'd say a more apt comparison would be Derry with the Orange Order.

You can see here that all the Derry lads stand for is being anti-Tyrone, zero interest in their own county, complete antipathy as to how they can get behind their teams and move forward, cavemen stuck in the past and fuelled on sheer hatred and vitriol. The permanently raging Derry fans here are just counter-culture, their whole identity is built on foundations of hate and bitterness. They would derive more joy out of Tyrone losing than Derry winning which is very sad.

Dear oh dear....a few feathers ruffled here with this. Unfortunately the truth seems to hurt lads. You can kick and scream all you like, but the fact doesn't change, in the Gaa in Ireland Tyrone are universally detested. Again, nothing to do with their success (as Down are more successful and also from the six counties), all to do with the collective herd mentality of their supporters and the dark arts employed on the pitch. I've been at several big games over the years v Mayo, Dublin Kerry, Sligo, Meath, Armagh, Donegal....common denominator is always how embarrassing the language and behaviour of the Tyrone supporters is. Same in any bar I've been in when you get chatting to anyone in the 26. Very quickly, you have to clarify that you are NOT from Tyrone.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Living rent free.............
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 08, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
It might have took 380 odd pages but by God this thread has sprung into life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.

This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.

This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Lol, another post attacking Derry, I think that proves my theory. You just can't handle the fact that Derry have a better record on a like with like comparison. The more you post the angrier you seem to be getting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.

This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on May 08, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
Always found some Tyrone supporters' obsession with Brolly to be interesting. Elsewhere in the country people take him with a pinch of salt, admire him, hate him and think he's a bollocks all in one go. 

In Tyrone, there seems to be this taliban approach to disliking Brolly that kind of borders on the ludicrous - a bit like their taliban approach to football. It's definitely childish, in the way that kids hate a pantomime villain.   

I sometimes wonder if in years to come, some of these people will look back at their behavior and attitudes and wonder why they took it all so seriously - yiz bundle of mad Tyrone feckers. 

On the other hand, I find the Derry attitude to Tyrone perfectly logical and reasonable  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 08, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.

Says the tyrone man on a joe brolly thread whose last 40 or 50 posts have all been about Derry. You seem to have a bit of an issue here. I think you do care about Derry and you care that Derry are better on the like with like comparison.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: APM on May 08, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
Always found some Tyrone supporters' obsession with Brolly to be interesting. Elsewhere in the country people take him with a pinch of salt, admire him, hate him and think he's a bollocks all in one go. 

In Tyrone, there seems to be this taliban approach to disliking Brolly that kind of borders on the ludicrous - a bit like their taliban approach to football. It's definitely childish, in the way that kids hate a pantomime villain.   

I sometimes wonder if in years to come, some of these people will look back at their behavior and attitudes and wonder why they took it all so seriously - yiz bundle of mad Tyrone feckers. 

On the other hand, I find the Derry attitude to Tyrone perfectly logical and reasonable  ;D

I think it's more Brolly that has an obsession with Tyrone, namely Mickey Harte.

Oddly enough you won't find Mickey spending too much time talking about Brolly but you'll have Brolly taking to whatever social platform he can to make really nasty and personal character attacks on Harte.

It's not so long ago when Paul Grimley lost the plot at some of absolute horseshit Brolly had fabricated about Armagh and Kieran McGeeney in another bid of his to settle personal scores.

That's the problem with Brolly, he's quite viscous and nasty in settling personal scores - Tyrone aren't the only ones he's guilty of doing this too. The lies he fabricated about Armagh a few years back and had to have Jamie Clarke come forward for an interview to say Brolly was making things up was pretty sad.

What he said about Mickey Moran that kicked off this discussion was yet another insight into the mind of Brolly.

There's a lot that could be said on a personal level about Brolly but I wouldn't sink to that level.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.

Says the tyrone man on a joe brolly thread whose last 40 or 50 posts have all been about Derry. You seem to have a bit of an issue here. I think you do care about Derry and you care that Derry are better on the like with like comparison.

Can you not read?

This is a Joe Brolly thread, he's a public pundit/analyst in the GAA. He did a piece with Eir last week that had a completely unnecessary, petty and nasty dig at Mickey Moran and a few others in the Derry county board at that time.

That's the issue that's been discussed, of course Derry wans would rather create bogeymen that address the issues at hand.

You must be incredibly dim to not be able to follow a topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on May 08, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.
I haven't commented on here as I couldn't be bothered with the arguing but GAA in Derry is in the best place it's ever been. Our senior county team aren't doing well, as we don't have enough top class players at the minute in my opinion, but overall GAA in Derry is in a seriously healthy state.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 08, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.
I haven't commented on here as I couldn't be bothered with the arguing but GAA in Derry is in the best place it's ever been. Our senior county team aren't doing well, as we don't have enough top class players at the minute in my opinion, but overall GAA in Derry is in a seriously healthy state.

Look at the underage success, success of the schools and all that in Derry GAA and then look at the complete apathy towards guys playing for their county over the past 10-15 years. Derry certainly would have been good enough to win an Ulster in that time but for whatever internal reasons, plenty of their best players are just not bothered with turning out for Derry and that says something terrible about the culture in the county.

Danny Heavron for example is one of the best players in Ulster, hasn't played for Derry in years. Sean Leo McGoldrick another prime example, Dermot McBride - all top players and there's many more. What is wrong in Derry that their top players won't commit relative to other counties? Every Christmas it's the same story with Derry, loads of good players who won't commit.

There's something wrong with the culture there and you can't deny that, it's not a case of lads dropping off who weren't getting game time - these are key players we are talking about.

Something similar seems to have happened like that in Cavan in recent years.

But Derry folk would rather create a bogeyman in Tyrone GAA and create a scapegoat in someone like Mickey Moran than ask the hard questions internally and challenge a motor mouth like Brolly who says what he wants to settle old scores.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 08, 2020, 03:35:48 PM
Ive missed the scapegoats and bogeymen

Ach there they are again.

As you were
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on May 08, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
Can you not read?

This is a Joe Brolly thread, he's a public pundit/analyst in the GAA. He did a piece with Eir last week that had a completely unnecessary, petty and nasty dig at Mickey Moran and a few others in the Derry county board at that time.

That's the issue that's been discussed, of course Derry wans would rather create bogeymen that address the issues at hand.

You must be incredibly dim to not be able to follow a topic.

I'd say you're worried about Mickey Moran  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: APM on May 08, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
Can you not read?

This is a Joe Brolly thread, he's a public pundit/analyst in the GAA. He did a piece with Eir last week that had a completely unnecessary, petty and nasty dig at Mickey Moran and a few others in the Derry county board at that time.

That's the issue that's been discussed, of course Derry wans would rather create bogeymen that address the issues at hand.

You must be incredibly dim to not be able to follow a topic.

I'd say you're worried about Mickey Moran  ;D

Mickey Moran is a well respected man in GAA circles, a successful coach and has carried himself with dignity throughout his career.

I thought Brolly's attack on him was snide and cheap and I said as much.

The Derry animals then jumped in and started ranting on about Tyrone like an itch they just can't scratch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 08, 2020, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: APM on May 08, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
Can you not read?

This is a Joe Brolly thread, he's a public pundit/analyst in the GAA. He did a piece with Eir last week that had a completely unnecessary, petty and nasty dig at Mickey Moran and a few others in the Derry county board at that time.

That's the issue that's been discussed, of course Derry wans would rather create bogeymen that address the issues at hand.

You must be incredibly dim to not be able to follow a topic.

I'd say you're worried about Mickey Moran  ;D

Mickey Moran is a well respected man in GAA circles, a successful coach and has carried himself with dignity throughout his career.

I thought Brolly's attack on him was snide and cheap and I said as much.

The Derry animals then jumped in and started ranting on about Tyrone like an itch they just can't scratch.

Lol, that's about 40 or 50 posts in a row where you continue to repeat yourself and you also keep referring to Derry animals. It looks like it's you who has the psychological problems. SE thinks it's because Derry won the all Ireland before you boys which might be right. I think it's because when you compare the 2 teams like with like Derry come out on top. Hopefully the lockdown will be over soon and your temper and bitterness will abate somewhat.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 08, 2020, 05:55:46 PM
If you want to compare the two teams then compare them during the career of their talisman and to me you have 2 long serving lads representing the two eras with a slight met hence at the end.
Take Sean Cavanaghs career record
Against Derry and tohills against Tyrone and see which team had the higher win percentage. Tohill was the embodiment of the Derry era and Cavanagh the Tyrone era both their highs and lows. Don't know what the result will be but if someone does this I'm prepared to accept the results.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.

Says the tyrone man on a joe brolly thread whose last 40 or 50 posts have all been about Derry. You seem to have a bit of an issue here. I think you do care about Derry and you care that Derry are better on the like with like comparison.

Can you not read?

This is a Joe Brolly thread, he's a public pundit/analyst in the GAA. He did a piece with Eir last week that had a completely unnecessary, petty and nasty dig at Mickey Moran and a few others in the Derry county board at that time.

That's the issue that's been discussed, of course Derry wans would rather create bogeymen that address the issues at hand.

You must be incredibly dim to not be able to follow a topic.

Hmmm, lets just take a closer look at this. He was invited to do an interview with Air where he spoke about a range of issues within the GAA. The interviewer stated near the end what really happened in 94. Joe outlined what had happened and gave background and context to the actions and reactions. This included m Moran's involvement and the incident with Jim Mcguigan. He was a player in the squad at that time and it was as close to a first hand rendition that you are going to get. Not sure how you don't see this, but then again, going by your posts, maybe I should.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 08, 2020, 05:55:46 PM
If you want to compare the two teams then compare them during the career of their talisman and to me you have 2 long serving lads representing the two eras with a slight met hence at the end.
Take Sean Cavanaghs career record
Against Derry and tohills against Tyrone and see which team had the higher win percentage. Tohill was the embodiment of the Derry era and Cavanagh the Tyrone era both their highs and lows. Don't know what the result will be but if someone does this I'm prepared to accept the results.

Their record against each other is a funny one given rivalry. You would say 95 was unexpected for Tyrone to beat Derry but Tyrone got to an ai final so can't have been too bad. Derry ambushed Tyrone one year too in earlyish noughties when it would have been very unexpected. Those two results aside I would guess most results dominated by whatever team on top in that particular era.

What year was it they played in Ulster then qualifiers? Or was there more than one?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 08, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 08, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 08, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The raw hatred and vindictiveness just oozing out of the Derry wans.

Lol Angela, just have a look at your last 30 or 40 posts. Everyone is about Derry and how much you despise them. Very interesting from a psychological point of view. Methinks you're just a tiny bit annoyed that on a like with like comparison v Tyrone from the noughties the Derry team from the 90s comes out on top.



This is a thread about Joe Brolly.

Joe Brolly recently launched a really nasty and petty broadside at Mickey Moran for effectively destroying GAA. I commented on this in that matter and added that it's no wonder Derry GAA is in such a state when that culture of bogeymen and scapegoats exist rather than being brave about it and asking the hard questions. It's pertinent and on point.

The Derry animals like yourself weren't having that so continued to bring your hate filled obsession with Tyrone into the matter when you couldn't debate the well reasoned and rational criticisms put at Brolly and Derry.

This really should be some sort of behavioural study into the psyche of Derry GAA.

Pertinent points made about culture in Derry GAA and its correlation to the demise of the county team = vitriolic reaction from Derry posters, unable to debate the point and going off on unhinged rants about their neigbouring county.

I reckon Tyrone GAA is the first and last thing yourself and Screen think about on any given day, it's an extremely unhealthy obsession. Lurking around the Tyrone forums with all your accounts.

Does not change the facts lads.....UNIVERSALLY DETESTED. It's in your DNA, accept it, don't fight it, try to live with it as best you can. It must hurt, but remember please, next match you're at, every action has a reaction.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Nobody is going to be worried about Derry anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about Derry in the 90s, I think it's sad and regrettable what has happened to them as a GAA county though.

You Derry folk have so much of an inferiority complex about yourselves that you simply cannot stop bringing Tyrone into any sort of discussion.
I haven't commented on here as I couldn't be bothered with the arguing but GAA in Derry is in the best place it's ever been. Our senior county team aren't doing well, as we don't have enough top class players at the minute in my opinion, but overall GAA in Derry is in a seriously healthy state.

Look at the underage success, success of the schools and all that in Derry GAA and then look at the complete apathy towards guys playing for their county over the past 10-15 years. Derry certainly would have been good enough to win an Ulster in that time but for whatever internal reasons, plenty of their best players are just not bothered with turning out for Derry and that says something terrible about the culture in the county.

Danny Heavron for example is one of the best players in Ulster, hasn't played for Derry in years. Sean Leo McGoldrick another prime example, Dermot McBride - all top players and there's many more. What is wrong in Derry that their top players won't commit relative to other counties? Every Christmas it's the same story with Derry, loads of good players who won't commit.

There's something wrong with the culture there and you can't deny that, it's not a case of lads dropping off who weren't getting game time - these are key players we are talking about.

Something similar seems to have happened like that in Cavan in recent years.

But Derry folk would rather create a bogeyman in Tyrone GAA and create a scapegoat in someone like Mickey Moran than ask the hard questions internally and challenge a motor mouth like Brolly who says what he wants to settle old scores.

Danny played for Derry under Damian Barton for 2 years playing the football of his life. Damian was sacked by Brian Mcivor and Damian Mcerlain did not invite him to join the panel. It was a bizarre decision from a bizarre appointment. It was his prerogative to do so, but Damian mcerlain gave no explanation as to why he had been left out even though he would have known that it stuck out like a sore thumb. Heavron had also made it known that he was available and at a loss as to why he wasn't selected. They are club mates, but there was no history of any fallout that anyone connected with the club can remember. He was/is a top footballer and one we can't afford to be without.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 08, 2020, 10:13:21 PM
Tyrone bate them in 2001? in Ulster and then Derry bate them in the quarters.  That comparison on the tohill era v the cavanagh era would be interesting
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 08, 2020, 10:17:12 PM
I don't think it would be much different though I don't fully mind league games. Score difference would be a different matter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on May 09, 2020, 11:11:46 AM
🗓#OnThisDay 9th May 2004

Tyrone GAA began the defence of their All Ireland title with a 1-17 to 1-06 victory over Derry GAA in the #USFC preliminary round at St Tiernach's Park, Clones.

Kevin Hughes was top scorer on the day with 1-2.

#UlsterGAA
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 09, 2020, 12:04:40 PM
#frenemies
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on May 09, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 08, 2020, 10:13:21 PM
Tyrone bate them in 2001? in Ulster and then Derry bate them in the quarters.  That comparison on the tohill era v the cavanagh era would be interesting

Yeah, first year of the qualifiers. Derry played both Antrim and Tyrone in the Ulster C'ship and then again in the qualifiers.
Tyrone won the first game 3-07 to 0-14
Derry won the quarter final 1-09 to 0-07 (Canavan sent off for a box on Johnny McBride)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sensethetone on May 09, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 09, 2020, 11:11:46 AM
🗓#OnThisDay 9th May 2004

Tyrone GAA began the defence of their All Ireland title with a 1-17 to 1-06 victory over Derry GAA in the #USFC preliminary round at St Tiernach's Park, Clones.

Kevin Hughes was top scorer on the day with 1-2.

#UlsterGAA
Mark Harte denied a penalty because the ref took to long to call it but booked the Derry player..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 10, 2020, 10:25:46 PM
I wunner what the boul Joe thinks of yer man Cavanagh tonight hi and i also wunner what them tronies think of him now hi

*tries not to open can o worms. Cant resist*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 10, 2020, 11:59:37 PM
New Tyrone geansai for next seasons first round against Linfield...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXsOefQX0AMEWQ4?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 11, 2020, 12:10:55 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 10, 2020, 10:25:46 PM
I wunner what the boul Joe thinks of yer man Cavanagh tonight hi and i also wunner what them tronies think of him now hi

*tries not to open can o worms. Cant resist*

My view of Sean hasn't changed....he still should never be let near a TV camera or microphone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on May 11, 2020, 12:15:18 AM
Poor stuff from Cavanagh, Tyrone will have to live with this tag for years to come now. They'll not be fit to sing 'there'll be no London in Tyrone' anymore anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 11, 2020, 12:36:16 AM
As Joe says, you can forget about Cavanagh as far as he's a man. Made a real fool of himself
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:36:12 AM
Cavanagh was an exceptional footballer but is very hard to like as a person.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LooseCannon on May 11, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
As Kieran Cunningham said on Twitter: "Pretty clear to me that Sean Cavanagh meant that north have to operate under UK restrictions. Maybe put away the pitchforks."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Silly turn of phase. I always cringe when he's on tv.

Good to see Tyrone men can acknowledge when one of their own makes a mistake. Derry ones should take note....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleaflad on May 11, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Silly turn of phase. I always cringe when he's on tv.

Good to see Tyrone men can acknowledge when one of their own makes a mistake. Derry ones should take note....
What?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 11, 2020, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on May 11, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
As Kieran Cunningham said on Twitter: "Pretty clear to me that Sean Cavanagh meant that north have to operate under UK restrictions. Maybe put away the pitchforks."

I don't get it. I really don't. We want to be seen as an inclusive organisation. Like this reaction isn't going to win over many Unionists who see the GAA as organisation only for Nationalists.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Silly turn of phase. I always cringe when he's on tv.

Good to see Tyrone men can acknowledge when one of their own makes a mistake. Derry ones should take note....
What?
Call a spade a spade. Or an egotistic media whore an egotistic media whore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 11, 2020, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Silly turn of phase. I always cringe when he's on tv.

Good to see Tyrone men can acknowledge when one of their own makes a mistake. Derry ones should take note....
What?
Call a spade a spade. Or an egotistic media whore an egotistic media whore.

::) ::)

If you actually look back there are very few Derry people who back Joe up on much but sure go ahead and make up your own narrative!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2020, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Silly turn of phase. I always cringe when he's on tv.

Good to see Tyrone men can acknowledge when one of their own makes a mistake. Derry ones should take note....
What?
Call a spade a spade. Or an egotistic media whore an egotistic media whore.

::) ::)

If you actually look back there are very few Derry people who back Joe up on much but sure go ahead and make up your own narrative!!
Aye.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on May 11, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
Sean has not covered himself in glory since he quit playing for the county.

I do cringe everytime I hear him on the TV or radio - not knowing what he will come out with next.

For an intelligent fellow he says things he should keep to himself UNLESS he wants to become a media whore.

However what he said yesterday is not a big issue. Regardless of what people think or want to think we are in the North/NI etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Yis would do well to remember that the next time yis sing that oul London song yis are all so fond of 😉
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Yis would do well to remember that the next time yis sing that oul London song yis are all so fond of 😉
I haven't heard anyone sing that in about 15 years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dabh on May 11, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:36:12 AM
Cavanagh was an exceptional footballer but is very hard to like as a person.

a trait that would be common enough in Tyrone fans..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Seany on May 11, 2020, 02:19:57 PM
If I was a Tyrone fan, I wouldn't care what Cavanagh said because they could never ever repay him for what he has done for their county on the field.  He drove that team with incredible speed, fitness and crucial scores for over a decade and definitely they wouldn't have won those two All Irelands without him.

Ok - He said UK - might have said Up here And in the UK.  But even if he didn't, so what.  He's a good lad.  An incredible footballer.  Doing his best.  Just leave it alone.  And leave him alone.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Ok Sean(y) will do.

Sorry about that. Sorry. Apologies. Sorry. Sorry
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 02:31:24 PM
Last thing i want to do is turn this into a scapegoat/bogeyman type of thing...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 11, 2020, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Yis would do well to remember that the next time yis sing that oul London song yis are all so fond of 😉

Quote from: yellowcard on May 11, 2020, 12:15:18 AM
Poor stuff from Cavanagh, Tyrone will have to live with this tag for years to come now. They'll not be fit to sing 'there'll be no London in Tyrone' anymore anyway.

Maybe you lads should mention that London song again?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on May 11, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2020, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Yis would do well to remember that the next time yis sing that oul London song yis are all so fond of 😉

Quote from: yellowcard on May 11, 2020, 12:15:18 AM
Poor stuff from Cavanagh, Tyrone will have to live with this tag for years to come now. They'll not be fit to sing 'there'll be no London in Tyrone' anymore anyway.

Maybe you lads should mention that London song again?

You tyronians can eff off back to the UK 😁😁
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: Seany on May 11, 2020, 02:19:57 PM
If I was a Tyrone fan, I wouldn't care what Cavanagh said because they could never ever repay him for what he has done for their county on the field.  He drove that team with incredible speed, fitness and crucial scores for over a decade and definitely they wouldn't have won those two All Irelands without him.

Ok - He said UK - might have said Up here And in the UK.  But even if he didn't, so what.  He's a good lad.  An incredible footballer.  Doing his best.  Just leave it alone.  And leave him alone.

Is that you Sean Cavanagh?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Amazing how the Derry folk have brought their obsession on Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone into the Joe Brolly thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

The gift that keeps on giving

;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 05:16:19 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 11, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D

The gift that keeps on giving

;D

You just can't help yerselves.

Completely and utterly obsessed with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 11, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Amazing how the Derry folk have brought their obsession on Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone into the Joe Brolly thread.

Time to create a new thread. Brollys ego growing by the page.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 11, 2020, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 11, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Amazing how the Derry folk have brought their obsession on Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone into the Joe Brolly thread.

Time to create a new thread. Brollys ego growing by the page.

I don't know, his ego might be hurting because people are not discussing him on his own thread.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Integral may be a bit of a stretch...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
What makes you think every nationalist should know the Black and Tans lyrics off by heart?
I don't because I had no interest in learning them. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
What makes you think every nationalist should know the Black and Tans lyrics off by heart?
I don't because I had no interest in learning them.

You're not welcome in their Ireland then. All nationalists need to be Celtic supporting, Wolfe tone singing, British hating knuckle dragging neanderthals.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 15, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
What makes you think every nationalist should know the Black and Tans lyrics off by heart?
I don't because I had no interest in learning them.

You should hang your head in shame  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
What makes you think every nationalist should know the Black and Tans lyrics off by heart?
I don't because I had no interest in learning them.

You're not welcome in their Ireland then. All nationalists need to be Celtic supporting, Wolfe tone singing, British hating knuckle dragging neanderthals.

If you lads are sitting here telling me you don't recognise the song, or even the chorus come out you black and tans....or even any chord to any Nationalist/Republican song (which is what Cavanagh claims) In the words of Homeland's Saul Berensen, I believe you.

Nobody else will.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 15, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 14, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It's a marvelous stroke of genius, the virtual United Ireland strategy to replace the real thing, which is a bit more complicated.
"Let's just empathically deny that NI is an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Never ever allude to the fact that NI is in the UK, Never Never Never,".

To bring it back to Joe, as Joe must be tearing his hair out at the sight of Big Sean taking over his thread.  What would Joe say about the reaction to Big Sean´s off the cuff remark?

We should start a Sean Cavanagh thread. That would really piss him off.

If you do, my personal favourite is claiming to not know the words of Black and Tans or any republican song and him grew up in Coalisland.
What makes you think every nationalist should know the Black and Tans lyrics off by heart?
I don't because I had no interest in learning them.

You're not welcome in their Ireland then. All nationalists need to be Celtic supporting, Wolfe tone singing, British hating knuckle dragging neanderthals.

If you lads are sitting here telling me you don't recognise the song, or even the chorus come out you black and tans....or even any chord to any Nationalist/Republican song (which is what Cavanagh claims) In the words of Homeland's Saul Berensen, I believe you.

Nobody else will.
Recognising the tune and knowing the chorus or part of is different to knowing every single line of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 17, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 14, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Integral may be a bit of a stretch...
How about another word which means the same, 'NI is a constituent part of the UK'?

Torrid times for Big Sean, once outed for not being a man, then accused of that most henious of crimes of being a snitch, now accused of not being a GAA man for starting a statement with  "up here in the UK......." , presumably accused by some people who for some reason have chosen not to relinquish their British nationality, a nationality earned by dint of NI being a part of the UK.

Will little Joe temporarily bury his Tyrone are chronically cynical hatchet and honourably rise to pen an article in defence of Big Sean? Come on Joe, Ireland and the GAA need your moral compass, your courage and your defence of the downtrodden.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just catching up with Brollys column last week. He couldn't help attacking Cavanagh for his UK comment among other things. I'm hardly Cavanaghs biggest fan, but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on June 06, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just catching up with Brollys column last week. He couldn't help attacking Cavanagh for his UK comment among other things. I'm hardly Cavanaghs biggest fan, but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.

Your forgetting Joes immeasurable role in throwing off the yoke of British oppression.

Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, Padriag Pearse, Joe Brolly Queens Council
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.

Which he is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just catching up with Brollys column last week. He couldn't help attacking Cavanagh for his UK comment among other things. I'm hardly Cavanaghs biggest fan, but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.

I was surprised it took him so long.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 06, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just catching up with Brollys column last week. He couldn't help attacking Cavanagh for his UK comment among other things. I'm hardly Cavanaghs biggest fan, but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.

I was surprised it took him so long.

It was opportunistic. Like I said, petty...


A few days ago I watched the 1977 semi-final between Dublin and Kerry.

At one point, Ger O'Keefe hit Jimmy Keaveney in the face with a good forearm smash. Jimmy, outraged, dropped the ball and banged him with his fist in the mouth, knocking him down for a split second. The referee came skidding in like Baggy Pants, awarded Jimmy the free and told them both to settle down.

Nowadays, this would provoke righteous outrage and talk of "protecting the children." Nowadays, if Keaveney's arm accidentally came near say Sean Cavanagh's face, he would go down like a shot horse and roll about until the red card was given, then tell the reporters afterwards that he was merely "taking one for a UK team."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 06, 2020, 09:41:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 06, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just catching up with Brollys column last week. He couldn't help attacking Cavanagh for his UK comment among other things. I'm hardly Cavanaghs biggest fan, but Brolly just sounded like a petty, spiteful child.

I was surprised it took him so long.

It was opportunistic. Like I said, petty...


A few days ago I watched the 1977 semi-final between Dublin and Kerry.

At one point, Ger O'Keefe hit Jimmy Keaveney in the face with a good forearm smash. Jimmy, outraged, dropped the ball and banged him with his fist in the mouth, knocking him down for a split second. The referee came skidding in like Baggy Pants, awarded Jimmy the free and told them both to settle down.

Nowadays, this would provoke righteous outrage and talk of "protecting the children." Nowadays, if Keaveney's arm accidentally came near say Sean Cavanagh's face, he would go down like a shot horse and roll about until the red card was given, then tell the reporters afterwards that he was merely "taking one for a UK team."


Nowadays? I assume Joe knows Sean retired nearly 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 06, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
You can't help but laugh. It is just so petty.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Does Brolly realise who the Q in QC is?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on June 08, 2020, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Does Brolly realise who the Q in QC is?

I'm sure he does given it's so prevalent in his profession... however he is not a QC!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on June 08, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 08, 2020, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Does Brolly realise who the Q in QC is?

I'm sure he does given it's so prevalent in his profession... however he is not a QC!!

I beg to differ... He's a Quare Cnut.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 20, 2020, 08:49:04 AM
Listening to Joe on BBC Re-run of the 1994 Down v Derry game last night was a perfect example of what George Orwell  called Doublespeak.
Or what we in Down call a bitter bollox talking out of both sides of his mouth.
He says that he loved Eamon Coleman (and,of course, Eamon loved him) but blames Eamon for picking the wrong team and that's why Derry lost. Joe reckons Eamon wanted to give a game to boys that missed out on starting the previous year's final. Dermot McNicholl. Really?
He also blames Eamon for leaving his son Gary on Mickey Linden for too long. Mickey was player of the year in 94 and nobody could mark him.
Finally he chastised Karl Diamond for shooting rather than giving the ball back to him. The same Joe who,as a corner forward, literally never had a shot while Paul Higgins marked him.
Here is a revelation for a bitter and twisted pundit; the reason that Down beat Derry in 1994 is that on the day they were the better team and scored more than their opponents
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on July 20, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
No harm to ye, but if I fell out with every manager i disagreed with I'd lose a couple of my closest friends.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 09:51:58 AM
I just fast forwarded past him. I was at that game but was quite young. One thing I thought noticeable was that down's distribution was just so much better. Derry kicked a lot of aimless ball especially from half back. Kane did that a bit for down but breen, Blaney and Greg McCartan hit some quality kick passes.  Linden was obviously fantastic but the quality of ball was also superb.

It can be hard to see on tv but I suspect the movement of the down forwards was much better leaving it easier to hit good ball in.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
The difference in that match:

Down had Greg Blaney at CHF
Derry had Dermot McNicholl
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on July 20, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
The difference in that match:

Down had Greg Blaney at CHF
Derry had Dermot McNicholl

I'd agree. Watched the match again when it was shown on tg4. Blaney was head up looking for a pass, McNicholl was head down running. Barton would have made a huge difference, not only in passing and vision, but holding on to the ball and making the right decisions.

As for Joe's comments, I doubt there is anyone in Derry who disagrees with his view on getting McKeever switched over to Linden earlier in the game.  In the '93 game Scullion marked Linden (it was Tony's first game back after an ankle injury in the league). Linden give him the run around early on and Scullion got the Shepherds Crook, before half time. In the '93 AI Semi-Final, Quinn was getting roasted by Vinny Murphy. Coleman took Quinn off in the first half. Derry fans believe something similar should have happened in '94, ultimately it might not have changed the outcome. But I'd say every Derry fan still questions that decision.

And as for Brolly's own performance, the first couple of points he took where superb. Immediately after Higgins joined the fray the next two balls in that direction went straight over the sideline with Brolly out in front of Higgins. He might not have scored for the rest of the game, but the supply was poor. He still set up the goal and won a few scorable frees.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2020, 05:43:12 PM
There was a serious amount of football played in the middle third. It seemed like 20 brilliant players cancelling each other out. Ferocious tackling. If you made it out of the mire you were fcuked.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
The difference in that match:

Down had Greg Blaney at CHF
Derry had Dermot McNicholl

Yeah I thought similar. Bull in China shop versus measured and precise in possession. Mcnicholl had his place but was more off the bench in those days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
The difference in that match:

Down had Greg Blaney at CHF
Derry had Dermot McNicholl

Yeah I thought similar. Bull in China shop versus measured and precise in possession. Mcnicholl had his place but was more off the bench in those days.

Leo McLoone played a similar role to McNicholl in 2014. Head down, slow to release the ball, running into traffic while Donegal's FF line were crying out for good ball in. Had Donegal a Greg Blaney like player then at CHF, Jimmy would've sailed off into the sunset with two All Ireland's.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
The difference in that match:

Down had Greg Blaney at CHF
Derry had Dermot McNicholl

Yeah I thought similar. Bull in China shop versus measured and precise in possession. Mcnicholl had his place but was more off the bench in those days.

Thought McCartan was terrific too. Won frees he shouldn't have. Gormley up the other end was fouled a lot and Down got away with it.

Then again, Derry never really had a marquee forward.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
Yeah I think brolly thought he was but wasn't quite that level and could be rattled to as Higgins did. I didn't realise but Derry had 5 changes from their ai final lineup. Maybe a few too many.

McCartan was hard to mark too. He did the same as Conor Laverty does and pulls the defenders arm over his shoulder to get the foul regularly so was a nightmare for a bigger man, which was almost every county defender, to mark. Apart from that he was exceptional too. There weren't many forward lines with three better forwards than blaney, linden and McCartan in those days. There probably very rarely have been.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maiden1 on July 20, 2020, 08:35:51 PM
In saying all that if Blaneys pass to Linden someone got a hand to the ball or Ciaran McCabe rattles the crossbar Derry would probably have gone close back to back. It's a fine line between winning and losing sometimes. If Carr misses that free against Derry in 91 who knows. If a team wins no one thinks about the mistakes but if they lose every decision is scrutinised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2020, 08:59:59 PM
There was a very fine line between Derry, Donegal and Down.

I don't believe Brolly's assertion that Derry were geared for a period of dominance only for the Coleman saga. Of those three, I'd have Derry 3rd.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2020, 09:07:00 PM
Their midfield was fantastic and there weren't many better defenders about than Downey, McKee very or scullion but they didn't have it up front. Those three teams were great. I would have said 2nd of the 3.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 20, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
Derry's HF line was probably the weakest of the 3.

Blaney and Martin McHugh were great players at CHF. Barton wouldn't have been as good or instrumental for Derry as the others were for their side.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
I'd extend that to the FF line too. But their defence was majestic and in Tohill they had the best player of the 3.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on July 20, 2020, 09:51:20 PM
Great era in football. We were spoiled and we didn't know it at the time.  Thought it would always be like this. 

Gormley was a hardy huir for a corner forward.  Off-topic, but the point off the left peg on the wing in the 93 AIF always stands out to me.  He had been punched off the ball by Niall Cahalane a few minutes earlier and after he scores, he lets Cahalane know he would get his revenge on the scoreboard.  Serious operator. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 21, 2020, 08:54:38 PM
down were the best of the 3 by a country mile but I'd have had Derry before Donegal on the strength of their midfield and back line who made up for the lack of a productive forward line. Interestingly the so called golden period between 91-95 was an era of highly combative defensive football where forward lines except for downs were stop start things. Defemses dominated games and a strong attacking midfield or half back was often the difference between just about scoring enough to win. It was a dour era indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 21, 2020, 09:27:13 PM
You're right actually. Even cork and Dublin wouldn't have had a load of star forwards in those days. The Connacht counties weren't really counting then. When you think of that Dublin era you maybe think of Barr, Curran etc and cork more O'Brien, counihan. Yes maybe redmond and then Coffey / odriscoll from cork but not quite household names.

Blaney, McCartan, linden as good as any era.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on July 21, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
The Derry team of 93 from no 2-9 Were as good as anything there has been about since or before.
10-15 (forward line ) average enough and would not stand the test of time.
You could not compare them with the Armagh or a tyrone forward lines of later years.

Derry won their AI based on players 2-9
6 brilliant defenders and two top class midfielders - with Tohill an all time great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on July 21, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
The Derry team of 93 from no 2-9 Were as good as anything there has been about since or before.
10-15 (forward line ) average enough and would not stand the test of time.
You could not compare them with the Armagh or a tyrone forward lines of later years.

Derry won their AI based on players 2-9
6 brilliant defenders and two top class midfielders - with Tohill an all time great.

They won it because a Cork player got sent off for nothing
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 21, 2020, 10:19:36 PM
They won it because they were better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 21, 2020, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
The Derry team of 93 from no 2-9 Were as good as anything there has been about since or before.
10-15 (forward line ) average enough and would not stand the test of time.
You could not compare them with the Armagh or a tyrone forward lines of later years.

Derry won their AI based on players 2-9
6 brilliant defenders and two top class midfielders - with Tohill an all time great.

They won it because a Cork player got sent off for nothing

Had the umpires done their job right, Cork would have been down to 14 players anyway.

Bar the first 5 minutes, Derry were the better team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on July 21, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
Yes but that cork team was too old to play in an all Ireland final. Down lifted that era. The other 3 teams including Dublin were scrappy stuff but fair play. The 96 Meath team had forwards and midfield and defence as well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on July 22, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
Yes but that cork team was too old to play in an all Ireland final. Down lifted that era. The other 3 teams including Dublin were scrappy stuff but fair play. The 96 Meath team had forwards and midfield and defence as well

Cork had 7 players under 25 in their starting line up.
Derry had 7 players under 25 in their starting line up.

Cork had 1 outfield player 30+ in their starting line up.
Derry had 2 outfield players 30+ in their starting line up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
Yes but that cork team was too old to play in an all Ireland final. Down lifted that era. The other 3 teams including Dublin were scrappy stuff but fair play. The 96 Meath team had forwards and midfield and defence as well

;D

Should the referee have checked their birth certificates before they went on?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 20, 2020, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
The Derry team of 93 from no 2-9 Were as good as anything there has been about since or before.
10-15 (forward line ) average enough and would not stand the test of time.
You could not compare them with the Armagh or a tyrone forward lines of later years.

Derry won their AI based on players 2-9
6 brilliant defenders and two top class midfielders - with Tohill an all time great.

Derry had a top class keeper at that point too.
Whilst the Derry forwards didnt all score heavily, they all were able to chip in with 2-3 points in any game.
We had 2 superb free takers in Gormley and Tohill which kept our scores up.
But, IMO, the single biggest assett of the Derry forward line was their strength. They could all win their own ball. Brolly could turn on a penny and tormented manys a defender. Damien Cassidy, Gormley, Barton and Brolly at that time would have made it onto any team in the country.
We had a terrific mix of power, talent, pace and desire plus a manager who knew how to get the best from his panel. That's why we won the AI and no other reason.

The sacking of Coleman cut Derry very deep and I'd imagine those outside the county wouldnt see the impact it had.
If you were to make a comparison, it would have been like sacking Mickey Harte when they got beat in 04 after winning the AI in 03.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
More than a tad OTT. Cassidy and Barton would have been unused subs for Down of the same era, while only one of Brolly or Gormley would have started.

Or are you going to tell me that one or more of Carr, Blaney, Linden and McCartan would have made room, or that one of your four was a full forward (at that time)?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on August 20, 2020, 06:10:18 PM
Koeman keeping the seat warm for Jimmy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-do-you-say-that-jose-mourinho-was-only-an-assistant-joe-brolly-on-why-jim-mcguinness-could-manage-barcelona-35898159.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 20, 2020, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 20, 2020, 06:10:18 PM
Koeman keeping the seat warm for Jimmy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-do-you-say-that-jose-mourinho-was-only-an-assistant-joe-brolly-on-why-jim-mcguinness-could-manage-barcelona-35898159.html

Well that didn't age well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 20, 2020, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
More than a tad OTT. Cassidy and Barton would have been unused subs for Down of the same era, while only one of Brolly or Gormley would have started.

Or are you going to tell me that one or more of Carr, Blaney, Linden and McCartan would have made room, or that one of your four was a full forward (at that time)?

No Derry forward would have shifted any of those four. Blaney was the best CHF in Ireland during that period. Linden was unmarkable at times, and a flyer, and McCartan was immense. Watched the 1991 final recently, and he was outstanding, and only 20 years old. I'd forgotten how good he was.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on August 20, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 20, 2020, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
More than a tad OTT. Cassidy and Barton would have been unused subs for Down of the same era, while only one of Brolly or Gormley would have started.

Or are you going to tell me that one or more of Carr, Blaney, Linden and McCartan would have made room, or that one of your four was a full forward (at that time)?

No Derry forward would have shifted any of those four. Blaney was the best CHF in Ireland during that period. Linden was unmarkable at times, and a flyer, and McCartan was immense. Watched the 1991 final recently, and he was outstanding, and only 20 years old. I'd forgotten how good he was.

Blaney, linden and mccartan would automatically be in a Derry/down combined forward line. In fact they are 3 of the top forwards in the modern era, all superb players. Carr wasn't really at that type of level even though he was a good player. Barton or Cassidy would have been around the same level. I would go for a combined forward line of mccartan, blaney, Cassidy, Brolly, linden and Gormley.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 20, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
I was watching back ai gold with down too. McCartan at 19/20 was phenomenal. He probably wasn't as good at an older age. Power, balance, speed, comfidence - he had the lot. Linden, him and Blaney would have graced any forward line in their day. Brilliant.

Mckeever, scullion, Downey and tohill were the big Derry names. Less so forwards. I would say gormley would be in a combined forward line but not convinced anyone else would fit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on August 20, 2020, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 22, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
Yes but that cork team was too old to play in an all Ireland final. Down lifted that era. The other 3 teams including Dublin were scrappy stuff but fair play. The 96 Meath team had forwards and midfield and defence as well

Cork had 7 players under 25 in their starting line up.
Derry had 7 players under 25 in their starting line up.

Cork had 1 outfield player 30+ in their starting line up.
Derry had 2 outfield players 30+ in their starting line up.

Derry had been building steadily since '91, were ravenous for success and came through a very difficult path to reach the final, while Cork came through a much easier path to reach that final having been out of the picture the previous two years after losing to a poor Kerry team twice

Cork had some excellent young players like Colin Corkery, Joe Kavanagh and Ciaran O'Sullivan but after a good showing in the first half they faded out

They had lost some experienced heads from the '89/'90 teams - Dave Barry, Paul McGrath, Mick Slocum etc. Danny Culloty was a sub and the always under rated (both as player and manager) Conor Counihan was at the tail end of his career and only saw a few minutes I think

And crucially, Larry Tompkins was injured and ruled out - he was a massive loss

Teddy McCarthy didn't have a good match

Tony Davis was a much bigger loss than Niall Cahalane would have been, he was playing well while Cahalane was having a stinker and the Gormley incident affected him for the rest of the match I think and fired Gormley up no end

That Cork team of '93-'95 was a bit of a mix 'em match 'em type outfit which probably underachieved, they threatened but ultimately flattered to deceive, and didn't have that hard edge that the '89/'90 team developed

Derry also wore Cork down on fitness, they were definitely fitter

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on August 20, 2020, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 20, 2020, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 20, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
More than a tad OTT. Cassidy and Barton would have been unused subs for Down of the same era, while only one of Brolly or Gormley would have started.

Or are you going to tell me that one or more of Carr, Blaney, Linden and McCartan would have made room, or that one of your four was a full forward (at that time)?

No Derry forward would have shifted any of those four. Blaney was the best CHF in Ireland during that period. Linden was unmarkable at times, and a flyer, and McCartan was immense. Watched the 1991 final recently, and he was outstanding, and only 20 years old. I'd forgotten how good he was.

Blaney, linden and mccartan would automatically be in a Derry/down combined forward line. In fact they are 3 of the top forwards in the modern era, all superb players. Carr wasn't really at that type of level even though he was a good player. Barton or Cassidy would have been around the same level. I would go for a combined forward line of mccartan, blaney, Cassidy, Brolly, linden and Gormley.

There were distinct similarities between that Down six and the Galway six of 1998-2001

Both were very much focussed on a trio - Down with Blaney-McCartan-Linden and Galway with Fallon-Donnellan-Joyce

Ross Carr and Paul Clancy were both fine players in the half forward lines

Gary Mason and Niall Finnegan were well capable of chipping in too and reliable free takers

Galway had Derek Savage who wasn't as good as some of the others but still decent enough, Joe Bergin contributed well in 2001, Shay Walsh and Tommie Joyce were making up the numbers

I'd give the nod to Down as Peter Withnell and Aidan Farrell who were each the "sixth" Beatle in '91 and '94 respectively were well capable of contributing, and did

Also I think Carr and Mason were slightly better than Clancy and Finnegan

Very hard to separate the star trios however


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on August 24, 2020, 08:26:14 AM
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-set-for-tv-return-for-this-years-championship-39472206.html?__twitter_impression=true

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
Will be interesting to see Joe back on TV. I will tune in for his first effort anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on August 24, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Would agree Oisín and Marty both top drawer, Joe would need to be on his game to
Match them in terms of knowledge of the modern game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 24, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Would agree Oisín and Marty both top drawer, Joe would need to be on his game to
Match them in terms of knowledge of the modern game.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about Brolly's knowledge of the modern game. I just don't want to see him or listen to him. Especially on a show that already has two very good pundits. He'll take over the show and make it all about him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2020, 10:09:09 PM
I'm happy with this.

Oisin is my favourite pundit but things do tend to be a bit sombre and real when he's around. Joe lightens proceedings (which, in Ulster football, is sometimes much needed) and he'll throw out plenty of opinions for McConville and Clarke to dismiss.

Sidey might be the big loser in all this. He's grown into a solid and amiable presenter, but Joe will want to own the lighter side of things.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on August 24, 2020, 10:30:31 PM

Inevitably Oisin and Marty will have minimal opportunity to contribute, never mind refute.

Surprised at BBC. They'd worked hard to develop an informed analysis but this is very much headlines over substance.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on August 24, 2020, 10:40:24 PM
McConville and Marty Clarke are good pundits.

I don't mind McHugh either.

Brolly will just try and take over and make it all about him, I'd echo those saying that it's a backward move.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on August 24, 2020, 10:41:02 PM
Inevitably Joe will say something stupid after a while but he will throw a few gems in along the way.

He at least is prepared to verbalise his thoughts. If a player or manager is behaving like a sc**bag they deserve to be called a sc**bag. Maybe Joe's presence will trigger the others to be a bit more honest and forthright
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on August 24, 2020, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 24, 2020, 10:41:02 PM
Inevitably Joe will say something stupid after a while but he will throw a few gems in along the way.

He at least is prepared to verbalise his thoughts. If a player or manager is behaving like a sc**bag they deserve to be called a sc**bag. Maybe Joe's presence will trigger the others to be a bit more honest and forthright

He also fabricates stories about players, managers and individuals to exercise personal grievances and uses his role as a pundit or columnist to do so, which is very nasty and cowardly in itself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 24, 2020, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 24, 2020, 10:41:02 PM
Inevitably Joe will say something stupid after a while but he will throw a few gems in along the way.

He at least is prepared to verbalise his thoughts. If a player or manager is behaving like a sc**bag they deserve to be called a sc**bag. Maybe Joe's presence will trigger the others to be a bit more honest and forthright

He also fabricates stories about players, managers and individuals to exercise personal grievances and uses his role as a pundit or columnist to do so, which is very nasty and cowardly in itself.

Yes, read Joe Cassidys interview in GL. Cassidy said Brolly dropped him in it at training once, saying him and others were complaining about the training, when they'd said nothing of the sort. He was clearly up to fabricating lies in his playing career too. He's a narcissist and a shit stirrer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 24, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
I just think 2 is enough as three, regardless of who it is, just tends to develop into a 'speed dating' thing of who can say their piece in 30 seconds and it then goes off in a tangent.

With two, they have more time to develop points and explain them etc. and it's not as forced in the time frame.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 24, 2020, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 24, 2020, 10:41:02 PM
Inevitably Joe will say something stupid after a while but he will throw a few gems in along the way.

He at least is prepared to verbalise his thoughts. If a player or manager is behaving like a sc**bag they deserve to be called a sc**bag. Maybe Joe's presence will trigger the others to be a bit more honest and forthright

He also fabricates stories about players, managers and individuals to exercise personal grievances and uses his role as a pundit or columnist to do so, which is very nasty and cowardly in itself.

Yes, read Joe Cassidys interview in GL. Cassidy said Brolly dropped him in it at training once, saying him and others were complaining about the training, when they'd said nothing of the sort. He was clearly up to fabricating lies in his playing career too. He's a narcissist and a shit stirrer.

Ah he's a great man for the, "and I was talking to a player of theirs recently and he told me..."

He's not a bad soul but he tends to flirt between reality and fiction with alarming ease. Suppose if you do it during the day.... Its easier at night.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 28, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 24, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Would agree Oisín and Marty both top drawer, Joe would need to be on his game to
Match them in terms of knowledge of the modern game.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about Brolly's knowledge of the modern game. I just don't want to see him or listen to him. Especially on a show that already has two very good pundits. He'll take over the show and make it all about him.
I've been watching Oisin in his role as manager of Inniskeen (v Ballybay), he's a man on fire constantly, sidelines don't exist in Oisin's world.
Do you think he would allow Brolly to make it all about him?
I agree though, the balance was already perfect at BBC NI with the triangle of cheerful chappy presenter Sidebottom, Oisin and Marty
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2020, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 28, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 24, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Would agree Oisín and Marty both top drawer, Joe would need to be on his game to
Match them in terms of knowledge of the modern game.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about Brolly's knowledge of the modern game. I just don't want to see him or listen to him. Especially on a show that already has two very good pundits. He'll take over the show and make it all about him.
I've been watching Oisin in his role as manager of Inniskeen (v Ballybay), he's a man on fire constantly, sidelines don't exist in Oisin's world.
Do you think he would allow Brolly to make it all about him?
I agree though, the balance was already perfect at BBC NI with the triangle of cheerful chappy presenter Sidebottom, Oisin and Marty

I've seen many pundits on TSG interrupted, flustered, lose concentration when Brolly is chirping in their ear, while they try to analyse or speak their opinion. A few has resorted to telling Brolly to more or less shut up. There's only so much a pundit can do on screen when faced with an ignoramus like Brolly. He's just an ignorant hoor. Putting his hands across people, talking over them and telling everyone about his ideas for new rules/championship format etc. It becomes all about him.

Oisin and Marty Clarke give each other the time and have manners to listen when the other is speaking. They both put their points across very well, and are very informative. There is no egos. I enjoy listening to them, and Sidey keeps the talk and banter going.

If the BBC take thon Brolly bollix into the show, they will absolutely ruin it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
His best move is to put his hand on their arm when they want to speak to try and trick them into shutting up. It really changes everything for other pundits who have to nearly shout to be heard.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 29, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
His best move is to put his hand on their arm when they want to speak to try and trick them into shutting up. It really changes everything for other pundits who have to nearly shout to be heard.

The tv studio is just another courtroom for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
Yeah I think that is pretty much it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on August 29, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Bad news is he will get more air time as there is no ad break.  :-[
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 29, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Bad news is he will get more air time as there is no ad break.  :-[

I think that's when they go down to the on-field analyst, taking on the side-line for 2 mins...hopefully.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2020, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2020, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 28, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 24, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
That's BBCNI's coverage fecked then.

Oisin and Marty Clarke are very good pundits and very easy to listen to. All we need now is thon bollix in to feckin' ruin it.
Would agree Oisín and Marty both top drawer, Joe would need to be on his game to
Match them in terms of knowledge of the modern game.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about Brolly's knowledge of the modern game. I just don't want to see him or listen to him. Especially on a show that already has two very good pundits. He'll take over the show and make it all about him.
I've been watching Oisin in his role as manager of Inniskeen (v Ballybay), he's a man on fire constantly, sidelines don't exist in Oisin's world.
Do you think he would allow Brolly to make it all about him?
I agree though, the balance was already perfect at BBC NI with the triangle of cheerful chappy presenter Sidebottom, Oisin and Marty

I've seen many pundits on TSG interrupted, flustered, lose concentration when Brolly is chirping in their ear, while they try to analyse or speak their opinion. A few has resorted to telling Brolly to more or less shut up. There's only so much a pundit can do on screen when faced with an ignoramus like Brolly. He's just an ignorant hoor. Putting his hands across people, talking over them and telling everyone about his ideas for new rules/championship format etc. It becomes all about him.

Oisin and Marty Clarke give each other the time and have manners to listen when the other is speaking. They both put their points across very well, and are very informative. There is no egos. I enjoy listening to them, and Sidey keeps the talk and banter going.

If the BBC take thon Brolly bollix into the show, they will absolutely ruin it.

Agree with everything you've said there. Pat Spillane put his hand on Joe's leg, as you would to shut the hoor up and try to get a point across and Joe took a strop asking Pat to 'stop touching me'. He had no authority to speak about touching people. I watched a few matches on BBC and I found McConville in particular to be a very good analyst when he was on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on August 29, 2020, 02:48:04 PM
I think Oisin could be at the top of the queue to succeed Banty, if he had that ambition.

That is, after shooting Banty first.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 10:13:38 AM
Speculation linking Joe Brolly with Sinn Féin candidacy in Mayo


https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/ (https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 10:13:38 AM
Speculation linking Joe Brolly with Sinn Féin candidacy in Mayo


https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/ (https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/)

Hardly have the time, running between 2 houses, barrister, Twitter, TV and getting pished
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on November 22, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 10:13:38 AM
Speculation linking Joe Brolly with Sinn Féin candidacy in Mayo


https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/ (https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/11/22/speculation-linking-joe-brolly-with-sinn-fein-candidacy-in-mayo/)

Hardly have the time, running between 2 houses, barrister, Twitter, TV and getting pished

I wanna tell ya..... try it some time!
But remember, it's a well. paid. job!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 22, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
His Indo column this morning contained his tweets during last nights match. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

His woman is from Ballina and ironically a distant cousin of Joe Biden. You will notice his Tweets have been anti-Trump. He's looking for a visit to the White House on Pats Day!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 06:17:55 PM
Joe doesn't strike me as a person who would follow party discipline.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

His woman is from Ballina and ironically a distant cousin of Joe Biden. You will notice his Tweets have been anti-Trump. He's looking for a visit to the White House on Pats Day!
Is this so, is he not just a cousin to a Mayo cousin of Joe Biden?  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

His woman is from Ballina and ironically a distant cousin of Joe Biden. You will notice his Tweets have been anti-Trump. He's looking for a visit to the White House on Pats Day!
Is this so, is he not just a cousin to a Mayo cousin of Joe Biden?  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?

Brolly's not related to Joe Biden's 3rd cousin. He's in a relationship with her.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on November 22, 2020, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?

Of course 🤪
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

His woman is from Ballina and ironically a distant cousin of Joe Biden. You will notice his Tweets have been anti-Trump. He's looking for a visit to the White House on Pats Day!
Is this so, is he not just a cousin to a Mayo cousin of Joe Biden?  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?

Brolly's not related to Joe Biden's 3rd cousin. He's in a relationship with her.
The way Joe tells it is that he's in a fundraisng scheme and thats where it comes together.

And speaking on Claire Byrne Live on RTE about the election, the GAA pundit and barrister opened up on his unlikely relationship with Biden that dates back to his visit to a Mayo Hospice in 2017.

"I was very privileged to be on a speaker call with the (Biden) family in their home in Delaware the day after the election had been called," Brolly said.
"Basically I said congratulations, I got to know him through the (Mayo) Hospice and we've become friendly".

He visited Ireland in 2017 and turned the first sod of a €10 million construction of Mayo's first hospice in Castlebar, where he met Brolly.

Biden said he was 'honoured' that the hospice would be forever linked his late son Beau, who died in 2015 after a two-year battle with cancer.

His son Beau had planned to accompany him in his previous 2016 Ireland visit with President Obama, making the trip 'bittersweet' for Biden.

Mr Biden has family connections in Mayo, and his cousin Laurita Blewitt was the fundraising manager for the hospice's foundation.


https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/joe-brolly-explains-friendship-president-22988547
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on November 22, 2020, 11:09:33 PM
When Cavan last won Ulster (apart from today!) in 1997 they had a banner that basically labelled Brolly an 'ass'.  Not much has changed.  Keep you telling them Joe and we'll keep not believing them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 22, 2020, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

His woman is from Ballina and ironically a distant cousin of Joe Biden. You will notice his Tweets have been anti-Trump. He's looking for a visit to the White House on Pats Day!
Is this so, is he not just a cousin to a Mayo cousin of Joe Biden?  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?

Brolly's not related to Joe Biden's 3rd cousin. He's in a relationship with her.
The way Joe tells it is that he's in a fundraisng scheme and thats where it comes together.

And speaking on Claire Byrne Live on RTE about the election, the GAA pundit and barrister opened up on his unlikely relationship with Biden that dates back to his visit to a Mayo Hospice in 2017.

"I was very privileged to be on a speaker call with the (Biden) family in their home in Delaware the day after the election had been called," Brolly said.
"Basically I said congratulations, I got to know him through the (Mayo) Hospice and we've become friendly".

He visited Ireland in 2017 and turned the first sod of a €10 million construction of Mayo's first hospice in Castlebar, where he met Brolly.

Biden said he was 'honoured' that the hospice would be forever linked his late son Beau, who died in 2015 after a two-year battle with cancer.

His son Beau had planned to accompany him in his previous 2016 Ireland visit with President Obama, making the trip 'bittersweet' for Biden.

Mr Biden has family connections in Mayo, and his cousin Laurita Blewitt was the fundraising manager for the hospice's foundation.


https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/joe-brolly-explains-friendship-president-22988547

Out of interest does anyone believe that?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on November 23, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2020, 10:11:31 PM

Brolly's not related to Joe Biden's 3rd cousin. He's in a relationship with her.
A
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2020, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Why Mayo though?

other half, left mrs few years back

Is he living in Mayo?

Back and forth

  or is it normal in Mayo to have a fling with a cousin?

Of course 🤪
The word cousin is thrown about so much when Mayo is mentioned in connection with Biden, it's easy to get confused. As  it turns out Little Joe is not a cousin to the 3rd cousin of Big Joe Biden. But even if he was, you think it wouldn't be much of an issue in Mayo? Which probably means there could be hundreds of 3rd and 4th cousins to Big Joe in Mayo.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on December 06, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
is joe talking about having a glorified railway cup as the new championship
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ash Smoker on January 25, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
I see one of Joe's yarns was debunked here:
https://twitter.com/UnOfficialGaa/status/1353402764844539906
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 25, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on January 25, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
I see one of Joe's yarns was debunked here:
https://twitter.com/UnOfficialGaa/status/1353402764844539906
Brolly never misses an opportunity to name drop whenever he can.
He lets us all know that he is a drinking  buddy of Pat Gilroy and that's fair enough - nobody is perfect but I'd draw the line with this yarn.
If you choose to believe Brolly, Michael D and Gilroy changed footwear. Makes for a good story but it hardly could have happened the way Brolly spins it.
Why should Brolly have to put on Macauley's trainers when he hadn't come into the dressing room barefooted? What was wrong with the pair he had been wearing when he entered the dressing room in the first place?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on January 25, 2021, 06:42:28 PM
Some of the stories and name dropping from Brolly is pathetic at times. I've noticed his columns become more nasty and spiteful, particularly towards RTÉ and the Sunday Game. He didn't have a problem with them when he was picking up his big cheque every week. Bell end.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 25, 2021, 11:15:44 PM
The thing is Brolly is not on the National Broadcaster anymore. He now relies on The Irish Independent and Eir for his exposure. Both only give him a very small level of exposure, nothing to what he was getting on RTE.  His profile is fading and he knows it.

He is wise enough to know that the Capital is where the opportunity for exposure lies. So he will in no way cut off the potential hand that could feed him. So there will be nothing negative about the Dublin GAA.

Writing stories/columns/articles about intercounty football is tough in the present climate, even outside the excuse of Covid. Outside of Dublin and all the records they are breaking, the rest of the chasing bunch are going backwards or are just static. And just plain boring to cover. Can you imagine a story about a Tyrone, Donegal or Mayo player forgetting his boots on AI day? The talk would be of the unprofessionalism. The lack of focus. But when it's Dublin it's given as example of quick thinking and adaptability.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on January 25, 2021, 11:32:07 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 25, 2021, 06:42:28 PM
Some of the stories and name dropping from Brolly is pathetic at times. I've noticed his columns become more nasty and spiteful, particularly towards RTÉ and the Sunday Game. He didn't have a problem with them when he was picking up his big cheque every week. Bell end.
Correct.  Joe is an intelligent man but his emotional intelligence is questionable - sudden donation of kidney for example.   He always craved to be 'one of the lads' so his 'stories' reinvent himself into that role.  Joe was never 'one of the lads'.  Born in Dungiven ok but off to boarding school in Armagh during formative years, Trinty, career etc.  He was never a 'Sur', as Dungiven people are hailed!  In a sense, he still craves 'acceptance'.   So he will always take full poetical license when telling a 'story' and generally for his own benefit.  Stories will become more bizarre as the craving increases and the acceptance decreases.  At the end of the day, Joe is a good enough fella and means well - honestly!  However he loses the run of himself and is running out of road in the storytelling journey.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dig at Down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on February 05, 2021, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dog at Down.

Has Gaelic Life stopped doing a hard copy?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
Yeah online only at the minute
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on February 05, 2021, 11:41:41 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dog at Down.
Níl iontas orm/Not surprised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2021, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dig at Down.

Was he sitting beside Andre The Giant?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on February 10, 2021, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 10, 2021, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dig at Down.

Was he sitting beside Andre The Giant?

He's been texting Andre about this great Dublin team. Andre had a soft spot for Joe's 1993 Derry team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on February 10, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 10, 2021, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 10, 2021, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 05, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Clearly struggling for content now is Joe.  A whole Gaelic Life article about Andre The Giant, with a tiny dig at Down.

Was he sitting beside Andre The Giant?

He's been texting Andre about this great Dublin team. Andre had a soft spot for Joe's 1993 Derry team.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on March 22, 2021, 11:36:18 PM
Claire Byrne booted Joe off the show tonight. Only caught the end of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 22, 2021, 11:42:30 PM
He's a gimp anyways
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on March 23, 2021, 07:21:21 AM
Was given very short shrift by Claire Byrne tonight but it's fairly obvious Brolly was never going to dance around the subject and would be shooting straight from the hip so it begs the question well why ask him into the show in the first instance.

If he didn't have a vendetta against RTE before tonight well I think it will be ramped up again further now. Joe will at least get a bit of publicity and a few columns out of it anyway. I just knew when I seen him down to be in the programme that somehow he'd end up being the story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on March 23, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
Would Ulster unionists know who Joe Brolly is?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on March 23, 2021, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 23, 2021, 07:21:21 AM
Was given very short shrift by Claire Byrne tonight but it's fairly obvious Brolly was never going to dance around the subject and would be shooting straight from the hip so it begs the question well why ask him into the show in the first instance.

If he didn't have a vendetta against RTE before tonight well I think it will be ramped up again further now. Joe will at least get a bit of publicity and a few columns out of it anyway. I just knew when I seen him down to be in the programme that somehow he'd end up being the story.

I've never watched this show but stuck it on RTE player there to see what had happened.  Is yer woman always like that or did she just take a disliking to oul Joe? Joe will get some mileage of this...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 23, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
I didnt see it either but why would you bring Joe Brolly on to state the obvious about unionism and drag it down into a slagging match. Was it not about Irish Unity? Sure we all know unionisms views on other subjects and Joes outbursts just detract from the real subject on hand. Its all about Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on March 23, 2021, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 23, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
I didnt see it either but why would you bring Joe Brolly on to state the obvious about unionism and drag it down into a slagging match. Was it not about Irish Unity? Sure we all know unionisms views on other subjects and Joes outbursts just detract from the real subject on hand. Its all about Joe.
I'd say the producers had warned Claire that wur Joe was a bit of a loose cannon and she was primed for him.

Whilst what Joe said is right and may be news to a southern audience you don't play them at their own game.

Be better than that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Has anyone read Paul Higgins's tweet to him. It's absolutely hilarious lol.

https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488 (https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on March 23, 2021, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on March 23, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
Would Ulster unionists know who Joe Brolly is?

From the Unionists I speak to they would have heard of him but know very little about him or his personality.

And if they watched it last night they would think he is our version of wee Seamy (rightly or wrongly)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on March 23, 2021, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 23, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
I didnt see it either but why would you bring Joe Brolly on to state the obvious about unionism and drag it down into a slagging match. Was it not about Irish Unity? Sure we all know unionisms views on other subjects and Joes outbursts just detract from the real subject on hand. Its all about Joe.

'...I'm going to comment anyway.'

He was responding to questions asked about Gregory Campbell.  It was about Gregory Campbell showing nothing but contempt for those speaking, reeking of arrogance, laughing in their faces. Joe was responding to that. To put context around Gregory's character, which he was 100% right to do. Unfortunately he only got so far. Every accusation he made about Gregory could not be counter argued. Gregory is a bigot; he is a homophobe; and he is a racist.

But it's all about Joe I suppose.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2021, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on March 23, 2021, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 23, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
I didnt see it either but why would you bring Joe Brolly on to state the obvious about unionism and drag it down into a slagging match. Was it not about Irish Unity? Sure we all know unionisms views on other subjects and Joes outbursts just detract from the real subject on hand. Its all about Joe.

'...I'm going to comment anyway.'

He was responding to questions asked about Gregory Campbell.  It was about Gregory Campbell showing nothing but contempt for those speaking, reeking of arrogance, laughing in their faces. Joe was responding to that. To put context around Gregory's character, which he was 100% right to do. Unfortunately he only got so far. Every accusation he made about Gregory could not be counter argued. Gregory is a bigot; he is a homophobe; and he is a racist.

But it's all about Joe I suppose.

There was a quare clip going around years ago from one of those side of a wagon "show of strength" fandangos, Unionist politician takes the stage, quips that he had taken umbrage at being called a sectarian bigot, reads the definition of sectarian and bigot out of a dictionary and follows it up with the immortal lines "and if thats what a sectarian bigot is, then i am a sectarian bigot!" without one ounce of remorse or irony, the pure pride gushing out of him, and of course the roar of approval from those in attendance...

Surely after his latest songs of praise racism defence it must have been Gregory on the side of the wagon that day?

Anyone remember the clip or better still able to find it online? It was a belter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on March 23, 2021, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Has anyone read Paul Higgins's tweet to him. It's absolutely hilarious lol.

https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488 (https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488)

Who is Paul Higgins ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebar on March 23, 2021, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 23, 2021, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Has anyone read Paul Higgins's tweet to him. It's absolutely hilarious lol.

https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488 (https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488)

Who is Paul Higgins ?
Now now Jim that man has a couple of All Ireland medals in his back pocket!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Downtothewire on March 24, 2021, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: thebar on March 23, 2021, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 23, 2021, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 23, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Has anyone read Paul Higgins's tweet to him. It's absolutely hilarious lol.

https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488 (https://twitter.com/PaulHig09978621/status/1374314317080895488)
Who is Paul Higgins ?
Now now Jim that man has a couple of All Ireland medals in his back pocket!

One more than Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 07:24:56 AM
He would have marked joe a lot back in his hayday. Marked him in that famous game in Celtic park.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on March 24, 2021, 12:58:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/fMn2vNs/IMG-20210324-WA0005.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on March 24, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
Can't see him making a return to the Sunday Game anytime soon!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 24, 2021, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2021, 12:58:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/fMn2vNs/IMG-20210324-WA0005.jpg)

hes totally lost it now
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 01:07:34 PM
Why is that shit on the front page ??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 24, 2021, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 24, 2021, 01:07:34 PM
Why is that shit on the front page ??

Is it real or photoshopped?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on March 24, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Joe making it about Joe.

This time last year he was going to stop Covid on his own, travelling the country and collecting PPE. All very admirable when it was needed but he soon got bored and has hardly mentioned Covid since and then focused his attention to removing Donald Trump from office.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 24, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 24, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Joe making it about Joe.

This time last year he was going to stop Covid on his own, travelling the country and collecting PPE. All very admirable when it was needed but he soon got bored and has hardly mentioned Covid since and then focused his attention to removing Donald Trump from office.

Honestly id say he is on verge of breakdown there few times, not happy to say that at all, such a smart man, but he has become more and more erratic and egotistical that you'd be worried for him at times. He would have been a hard man to live with.

Massive to give his kidney away, id love to see a personality expert look at him, you would nearly say he has narcissistic tendencies but the kidney thing flies in the face of that a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on March 24, 2021, 02:26:01 PM
I think overall Joe is a great guy with a great heart, but with all sorts of internal contradictions and difficulties

He wouldn't be what he is without that internal turmoil

And I don't criticise him one bit for having any of it

He's very deep and yet very shallow

He has the ability to give profound insight and yet talk total nonsense

It's a contradiction, and yet it's not - that's the human condition in its full flowering

When he's no longer here, people will say his was a life that was very much lived

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on March 24, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 24, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 24, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Joe making it about Joe.

This time last year he was going to stop Covid on his own, travelling the country and collecting PPE. All very admirable when it was needed but he soon got bored and has hardly mentioned Covid since and then focused his attention to removing Donald Trump from office.

Honestly id say he is on verge of breakdown there few times, not happy to say that at all, such a smart man, but he has become more and more erratic and egotistical that you'd be worried for him at times. He would have been a hard man to live with.

Massive to give his kidney away, id love to see a personality expert look at him, you would nearly say he has narcissistic tendencies but the kidney thing flies in the face of that a bit.

True. A very complex individual who I couldn't possible label.

And often heard him say that much himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on March 24, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
Mission accomplished for Joe then. He has managed to put himself on the front page of a daily newspaper. The opening debate in Ireland around a UI and yet the biggest story that comes out of it is about Joe Brolly and his grudge with RTE. I'm not being wise after the event but I had predicted that something like this would happen only I thought it would be Joe getting into a sledging match with Paisley that would create headlines. At least both he and Mickey Harte have a common enemy now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 24, 2021, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2021, 12:58:53 PM
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So no chance of Colm Cavanagh making a comeback. That's the big front page news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 25, 2021, 10:12:54 PM
Was there anything he said about the DUP which wasn't actually truth which anybody in the North knows but a wee bit to sensitive to anybody down south. With the north its out of sight, out of mind with rte Broadcasters
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on March 25, 2021, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 25, 2021, 10:12:54 PM
Was there anything he said about the DUP which wasn't actually truth which anybody in the North knows but a wee bit to sensitive to anybody down south. With the north its out of sight, out of mind with rte Broadcasters
Everybody in the south knows exactly what the the DUP are

The most interesting thing Joe Brolly said the other night was that a united Ireland didn't matter

So it appears he's not a nationalist
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on March 26, 2021, 08:26:55 AM
Joe could have changed his mind before he got half way home.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
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Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on March 28, 2021, 02:54:00 PM
26 + 5 = 1. They can howl on to Tyrone
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clonadmad on March 28, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
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Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

MOPE
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on March 28, 2021, 05:09:20 PM
Great article from Brolly....credit where its due!

Joe could be a serious player if he didn't have the potential to implode. Knows his stuff and can articulate and debate with the best. He's one person no one from the unionist family would want to go toe to toe with live, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 28, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
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Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

MOPE

Triggered at being called out.

Quelle Suprise.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on March 28, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

I have noticed some people, who I would normally regard as sensible and proportionate on the national question (even while arguing their own strongly held views), have been inclined lately to lose the run of themselves, play the man and descend into stereotyping.  People are getting very hot under the collar. 

You seem to be perpetually hot under the collar on a number of issues, but I've one question for you. 

You clearly have serious contempt for those in the south that you perceive to have sold out the North, either through the actions of their forefathers or their disinterest since.  If you want to achieve a UI you will need more than half of the southern population to be on board. We have seen that some are against a UI.  Some people on the south will be sitting on the fence.  Others will have a heart leaning towards a UI and a head leaning to the Status Quo.  Some people with a vote will be the "new Irish" who will not have a clue what you are on about, only that you come across like a zealot.
Do you think your comments persuade people sitting on the fence in the south that a United Ireland is worth it.?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: APM on March 28, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

I have noticed some people, who I would normally regard as sensible and proportionate on the national question (even while arguing their own strongly held views), have been inclined lately to lose the run of themselves, play the man and descend into stereotyping.  People are getting very hot under the collar. 

You seem to be perpetually hot under the collar on a number of issues, but I've one question for you. 

You clearly have serious contempt for those in the south that you perceive to have sold out the North, either through the actions of their forefathers or their disinterest since.  If you want to achieve a UI you will need more than half of the southern population to be on board. We have seen that some are against a UI.  Some people on the south will be sitting on the fence.  Others will have a heart leaning towards a UI and a head leaning to the Status Quo.  Some people with a vote will be the "new Irish" who will not have a clue what you are on about, only that you come across like a zealot.
Do you think your comments persuade people sitting on the fence in the south that a United Ireland is worth it.?

Do you want to rewrite. The contempt is not with me.

The contempt is with the Free State Establishment. Brolly's article touches on it there, for the past 50 years the free state establishment has shown nothing but contempt for the plight of the northern nationalist. It's about time some acknowledgement and contrition was shown, it's about time they owned up to their role in the troubles, that they were happy to be an onlooker to sectarianism, discrimination, violence and oppression that was foisted upon the northern nationalists.

I don't have to convince anyone. The demographics will do that, they are changing on both sides of the border. The young generation of the south have been foisted with a national debt by the establishment parties because they want to look after vested interest, a housing crisis is in place for the same reason, a dysfunctional two-tier health system is in place for the same reason.

I don't have to lower myself to be an Uncle Tom type figure who tries to swallow the disrespect and and contempt the Free State has shown us over the past 50 years and continues to insults nationalist victims of The Troubles by pulling up the IRA at every turn. I going to call out that despicable gaslighting and insulting behaviour for what it is. Any decent minded individual would acknowledge that the conduct of FF and FG in the past decade on legacy issues with The Troubles has been disgraceful.

You might want to show deference and beg those vile cretins to let us in but I want nothing to do with the sectarian culture fostered in the north and the elitist corrupt culture fostered in the south. We need a new Ireland, we have two failed states either side of the border and it's not for me to convince people, the negative issues on both sides of the border and the change in demographics and pulling this down one road and that's a United Ireland.

So maybe drop your pious attitude. If you want to defend Free State politicians and institution goading victims of The Troubles and their families then that's your prerogative but you won't ever hear me say anything positive about The Free State establishment as respect is a two way street and they've never even had the decency to acknowledge their betrayal and inaction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 28, 2021, 06:31:32 PM
Every time some extremist comes out with the term "freestater"(sic) it's another scatter of votes for the NO side.
Joe seems to be advocating Independence for the 6 Cos?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:32:24 PM
Thankfully not everybody lives in the 1950s like you do Rossfan.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.

I come from a republican family. I've had members in jail. I have voted republican parties since could vote in the 90s. My county has had a SF TD since then. And I can tell you I dont fall into either of these 2 categories you spell out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.

I come from a republican family. I've had members in jail. I have voted republican parties since could vote in the 90s. My county has had a SF TD since then. And I can tell you I dont fall into either of these 2 categories you spell out.

So you're not ashamed of the Free State establishment's attitude to The Troubles?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.

I come from a republican family. I've had members in jail. I have voted republican parties since could vote in the 90s. My county has had a SF TD since then. And I can tell you I dont fall into either of these 2 categories you spell out.

So you're not ashamed of the Free State establishment's attitude to The Troubles?

I'm ashamed of some things the Republic did and I'm also ashamed of some of the things my "northern kin" did too. But its water under the bridge
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:49:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.

I come from a republican family. I've had members in jail. I have voted republican parties since could vote in the 90s. My county has had a SF TD since then. And I can tell you I dont fall into either of these 2 categories you spell out.

So you're not ashamed of the Free State establishment's attitude to The Troubles?

I'm ashamed of some things the Republic did and I'm also ashamed of some of the things my "northern kin" did too. But its water under the bridge

There's never been any acknowledgement or contrition shown by the Free State and they still continue to arrogantly pontificate and moralise on The Troubles when they were complicit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:49:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
There are two types of people in the Free State.

Republicans who acknowledge it is The Free State and want a United Ireland. They rightfully resent the establishment and the establishment political parties and figures who abandoned their kin across the border, who sat on and watched as they were brutalised and discriminated against, who never offered a helping hand.

A freestater on the other hand defends that mindset that saw the Free State not bother to help when all those injustices were happening because it wasn't their problem. It was their problem, it was their fault, they signed up to a sectarian state and abandoned their kin, left them with no option but to fend for themselves and then they moralise and pontificate to them for having the temerity to do so.

That's what riles a few of them up here. The fact that it's pointed out when they had the ability to do the selfless thing, the brave thing, the morally right thing to do - they washed their hands off it because they were cowards and self-serving effete arseholes. This is why they now have to pontificate on the Provos every time they are reminded of their treachery and cowardice. There is a long, long longstanding apology due from The Free State to northern nationalists.

I come from a republican family. I've had members in jail. I have voted republican parties since could vote in the 90s. My county has had a SF TD since then. And I can tell you I dont fall into either of these 2 categories you spell out.

So you're not ashamed of the Free State establishment's attitude to The Troubles?

I'm ashamed of some things the Republic did and I'm also ashamed of some of the things my "northern kin" did too. But its water under the bridge

There's never been any acknowledgement or contrition shown by the Free State and they still continue to arrogantly pontificate and moralise on The Troubles when they were complicit.

Who is this Free State? Is it a person,  Fianna Fail, Fine Gael or is it everyone? Does Mary Lou share this shame and contempt we are supposed to have. That bitterness in you will eat you from the inside out Angelo. The majority in the South want reunification. I dont know what you are hoping to achieve by insulting us or shaming us as "freestaters". Even my own republican credentials dont seem to appease you, are you one of these  "I am more republican than you" boys?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 08:58:06 PM
By the Free State I refer to those who represent the state, the government officials, the state media, the figureheads. There needs to be an acknowledgement and contrition of their cowardice and treachery, they need to stop the "but the IRA" everytime they are reminded of their GFA commitments. They need to stop revising history and finally accept they completely failed northern nationalists and those who defend the Free State revisionism are as bad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sid waddell on March 28, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
The "I hate Free Staters" mob are basically Ian O'Doherty, Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards repackaged in green

The lot of them should be banished to a windswept island off the Atlantic coast where they can bitch at each other like Ted Crilly and Dick Byrne
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 28, 2021, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 08:58:06 PM
By the Free State I refer to those who represent the state, the government officials, the state media, the figureheads. There needs to be an acknowledgement and contrition of their cowardice and treachery, they need to stop the "but the IRA" everytime they are reminded of their GFA commitments. They need to stop revising history and finally accept they completely failed northern nationalists and those who defend the Free State revisionism are as bad.
Until the establishment of the SDLP, northern nationalist leadership.was appalling .

Also blowing people up.was a bad look.
Stop blaming everything on the south.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2021, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 08:58:06 PM
By the Free State I refer to those who represent the state, the government officials, the state media, the figureheads. There needs to be an acknowledgement and contrition of their cowardice and treachery, they need to stop the "but the IRA" everytime they are reminded of their GFA commitments. They need to stop revising history and finally accept they completely failed northern nationalists and those who defend the Free State revisionism are as bad.
Until the establishment of the SDLP, northern nationalist leadership.was appalling .

Also blowing people up.was a bad look.
Stop blaming everything on the south.

Apologise and take some responsibility.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 28, 2021, 11:00:56 PM
Angelo,

On behalf of the entire "freestate" I would like to apologise to you for everything.

Regards,
Freestate government, media, etc over the past 100 yrs
pp Itchy


Hopefully we can move on now

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 28, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
The "I hate Free Staters" mob are basically Ian O'Doherty, Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards repackaged in green

The lot of them should be banished to a windswept island off the Atlantic coast where they can bitch at each other like Ted Crilly and Dick Byrne

Ah you're projecting now and actually parroting my accurate summations of your illogical and emotional Eoghan Harris type diatribes. Just like Eoghan Harris you can't leave emotion one side. This bit of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head from me when it comes to Free State revisionism on The Troubles:

When the Peace Agreement was signed, the DUP rejected it, then destroyed David Trimble (painting him as a traitor to Ulster) and progressive unionism. As soon as that was done, Paisley U-turned and became First Minister. In spite of the DUP, we are enjoying the most spectacularly successful peace process in modern history. They have had an opportunity in the 25 years since to create a stable Northern Ireland, but they couldn't. This is because they are not so much a political party as an emotion.

As historian Brendan O'Leary explains in his masterwork on the North, the North is not a state, or even a province. It is instead an unworkable fantasy based on unionist supremacy. A ragbag of a place whose raison d'etre has always been to rub the Catholics' noses in it. We have lived through systematic discrimination, electoral fraud, deprivation of the vote, violent repression of civil rights, shoot to kill, massacres of innocent civilians without consequence (Bloody Sunday, Glenanne, Ballymurphy) and so on. If children in the Republic were taught that in 1971, thousands of Catholic men were rounded up and detained in a detention camp outside Belfast without charge or trial for up to three years, they would think you were joking. Doesn't that only happen in Russia?

In 1976, after a music night at the Bellaghy club, my parents and a few friends, including my Aunt Maura, who was on the lookout for a man at the time, were stopped by a UDR patrol. My father was taken over the hill out of sight and three shots rang out. Then Packie Kealey (a fiddler). Then Lawrence Mulholland. When car lights appeared on the horizon, the soldiers got back in their Land Rover and drove off. My Aunt Maura said: "Your mother was heavily pregnant with Aine. We ran over the hill in hysterics. We thought they were dead. They were all alive. Just badly beaten." Subsequently, the men were awarded £5,000 in damages at Magherafelt District Court. No one was ever charged. This was normal life for us.

The Republic turned a blind eye. As writer and historian Paul Larkin put it recently, the only explanation for the hysterical Southern response to anyone talking honestly about the North "is self shame - a phenomenon well attested in post-colonial societies". It is a sense of guilt that comes from them having sat on their hands as the horrors unfolded. Much easier to blame Sinn Féin and the IRA than to call out the root causes.


Hard to disagree with any of that. The Free State had all the time in the world to do something positive for the north but the same sense of entitlement that saw it for them to sell out the 6 counties in the 1920s existed then and still exists today. Acknowledgement and contrition for that really needs to be forthcoming.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on March 29, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: APM on March 28, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

I have noticed some people, who I would normally regard as sensible and proportionate on the national question (even while arguing their own strongly held views), have been inclined lately to lose the run of themselves, play the man and descend into stereotyping.  People are getting very hot under the collar. 

You seem to be perpetually hot under the collar on a number of issues, but I've one question for you. 

You clearly have serious contempt for those in the south that you perceive to have sold out the North, either through the actions of their forefathers or their disinterest since.  If you want to achieve a UI you will need more than half of the southern population to be on board. We have seen that some are against a UI.  Some people on the south will be sitting on the fence.  Others will have a heart leaning towards a UI and a head leaning to the Status Quo.  Some people with a vote will be the "new Irish" who will not have a clue what you are on about, only that you come across like a zealot.

Do you think your comments persuade people sitting on the fence in the south that a United Ireland is worth it?

Do you want to rewrite. The contempt is not with me.

The contempt is with the Free State Establishment. Brolly's article touches on it there, for the past 50 years the free state establishment has shown nothing but contempt for the plight of the northern nationalist. It's about time some acknowledgement and contrition was shown, it's about time they owned up to their role in the troubles, that they were happy to be an onlooker to sectarianism, discrimination, violence and oppression that was foisted upon the northern nationalists.

I don't have to convince anyone. The demographics will do that, they are changing on both sides of the border. The young generation of the south have been foisted with a national debt by the establishment parties because they want to look after vested interest, a housing crisis is in place for the same reason, a dysfunctional two-tier health system is in place for the same reason.

I don't have to lower myself to be an Uncle Tom type figure who tries to swallow the disrespect and and contempt the Free State has shown us over the past 50 years and continues to insults nationalist victims of The Troubles by pulling up the IRA at every turn. I going to call out that despicable gaslighting and insulting behaviour for what it is. Any decent minded individual would acknowledge that the conduct of FF and FG in the past decade on legacy issues with The Troubles has been disgraceful.

You might want to show deference and beg those vile cretins to let us in but I want nothing to do with the sectarian culture fostered in the north and the elitist corrupt culture fostered in the south. We need a new Ireland, we have two failed states either side of the border and it's not for me to convince people, the negative issues on both sides of the border and the change in demographics and pulling this down one road and that's a United Ireland.

So maybe drop your pious attitude. If you want to defend Free State politicians and institution goading victims of The Troubles and their families then that's your prerogative but you won't ever hear me say anything positive about The Free State establishment as respect is a two way street and they've never even had the decency to acknowledge their betrayal and inaction.

Do you really expect everyone to examine the question of Ireland's future through the same lens as you?

Like it or not, your views fit somewhere on a spectrum of views on a UI and those views reflect different life experiences. There will be many with similar views to you, but there are many that won't.  Your answer is that you don't have to convince anyone. You probably don't; but those politically advocating for a UI cannot ignore the diversity of opinion on a matter like this and judging from the Clare Byrne programme, I don't think the political leaders will. 

Even if the demographics are on the side of unity, you have to think of what comes next. If it is not an inclusive approach it will fail, perhaps doomed to make some of the same mistakes previously made post-partition. 

It's one thing to ignore those with different options; it's another thing entirely to insult those with different opinions. Your choice of language is ugly:
Uncle Toms; despicable gaslighting; vile cretins; betrayal

This isn't the language of winning hearts and minds; which is ultimately what is required. 

There is nothing pious about that - it is just common sense. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
Dear southern brothers, do not take Angelo as speaking for northern nationalism. His pathetic instance in call the state the free state is to get a rise. The only people I hear calling it the Freestate now are loyalists using it in a derogatory manner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: APM on March 29, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: APM on March 28, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 28, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
Some uncomfortable truths for some free staters there who feel they have a right to pontificate and moralise on the north. Before they do that maybe some acknowledgement and contrition for the contempt they have show northern natioanlists over the past 50 years might be in order.

I have noticed some people, who I would normally regard as sensible and proportionate on the national question (even while arguing their own strongly held views), have been inclined lately to lose the run of themselves, play the man and descend into stereotyping.  People are getting very hot under the collar. 

You seem to be perpetually hot under the collar on a number of issues, but I've one question for you. 

You clearly have serious contempt for those in the south that you perceive to have sold out the North, either through the actions of their forefathers or their disinterest since.  If you want to achieve a UI you will need more than half of the southern population to be on board. We have seen that some are against a UI.  Some people on the south will be sitting on the fence.  Others will have a heart leaning towards a UI and a head leaning to the Status Quo.  Some people with a vote will be the "new Irish" who will not have a clue what you are on about, only that you come across like a zealot.

Do you think your comments persuade people sitting on the fence in the south that a United Ireland is worth it?

Do you want to rewrite. The contempt is not with me.

The contempt is with the Free State Establishment. Brolly's article touches on it there, for the past 50 years the free state establishment has shown nothing but contempt for the plight of the northern nationalist. It's about time some acknowledgement and contrition was shown, it's about time they owned up to their role in the troubles, that they were happy to be an onlooker to sectarianism, discrimination, violence and oppression that was foisted upon the northern nationalists.

I don't have to convince anyone. The demographics will do that, they are changing on both sides of the border. The young generation of the south have been foisted with a national debt by the establishment parties because they want to look after vested interest, a housing crisis is in place for the same reason, a dysfunctional two-tier health system is in place for the same reason.

I don't have to lower myself to be an Uncle Tom type figure who tries to swallow the disrespect and and contempt the Free State has shown us over the past 50 years and continues to insults nationalist victims of The Troubles by pulling up the IRA at every turn. I going to call out that despicable gaslighting and insulting behaviour for what it is. Any decent minded individual would acknowledge that the conduct of FF and FG in the past decade on legacy issues with The Troubles has been disgraceful.

You might want to show deference and beg those vile cretins to let us in but I want nothing to do with the sectarian culture fostered in the north and the elitist corrupt culture fostered in the south. We need a new Ireland, we have two failed states either side of the border and it's not for me to convince people, the negative issues on both sides of the border and the change in demographics and pulling this down one road and that's a United Ireland.

So maybe drop your pious attitude. If you want to defend Free State politicians and institution goading victims of The Troubles and their families then that's your prerogative but you won't ever hear me say anything positive about The Free State establishment as respect is a two way street and they've never even had the decency to acknowledge their betrayal and inaction.

Do you really expect everyone to examine the question of Ireland's future through the same lens as you?

Like it or not, your views fit somewhere on a spectrum of views on a UI and those views reflect different life experiences. There will be many with similar views to you, but there are many that won't.  Your answer is that you don't have to convince anyone. You probably don't; but those politically advocating for a UI cannot ignore the diversity of opinion on a matter like this and judging from the Clare Byrne programme, I don't think the political leaders will. 

Even if the demographics are on the side of unity, you have to think of what comes next. If it is not an inclusive approach it will fail, perhaps doomed to make some of the same mistakes previously made post-partition. 

It's one thing to ignore those with different options; it's another thing entirely to insult those with different opinions. Your choice of language is ugly:
Uncle Toms; despicable gaslighting; vile cretins; betrayal

This isn't the language of winning hearts and minds; which is ultimately what is required. 

There is nothing pious about that - it is just common sense.

I'm not going to sugarcoat my words.

What you're about as much related to common sense as the DUP's rhetoric, what you want to do is the SDLP philosophy, lick the unionist boot, kiss the Free State ring.

f**k that, deference never served any northern nationalist any good.

This is a great chance to consign two failed states to the bin and your mantra is that we should bow down and show homage to the biggest obstacles to it which are the dinosaur unionist politics of the DUP/UUP and the intransigent Free State elite policies of FFG. They have zero interest in a United Ireland, they have zero interest on losing the vice like grip on power and institutions they have both sides of the border. That is the truth and that is common sense.

A United Ireland will happen in spite of these people and not from winning them around because fundamentally they have shown time and time again when talks and aims of United Ireland are advanced they try and pour cold water on them.

Brolly's point was you can't call unionism what it is without censure. When you have Colum "I'll stop Brexit" Eastwood going around liking tweets from FG politicians that defend the DUP it really says it all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
Dear southern brothers, do not take Angelo as speaking for northern nationalism. His pathetic instance in call the state the free state is to get a rise. The only people I hear calling it the Freestate now are loyalists using it in a derogatory manner.

Dear posters.

Please do not take this unionist bootlicker to speak for any republican on this island.

End of message.

I come from a Republican area, we call it the Free State.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 28, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
The "I hate Free Staters" mob are basically Ian O'Doherty, Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards repackaged in green

The lot of them should be banished to a windswept island off the Atlantic coast where they can bitch at each other like Ted Crilly and Dick Byrne

Ah you're projecting now and actually parroting my accurate summations of your illogical and emotional Eoghan Harris type diatribes. Just like Eoghan Harris you can't leave emotion one side. This bit of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head from me when it comes to Free State revisionism on The Troubles:

When the Peace Agreement was signed, the DUP rejected it, then destroyed David Trimble (painting him as a traitor to Ulster) and progressive unionism. As soon as that was done, Paisley U-turned and became First Minister. In spite of the DUP, we are enjoying the most spectacularly successful peace process in modern history. They have had an opportunity in the 25 years since to create a stable Northern Ireland, but they couldn't. This is because they are not so much a political party as an emotion.

As historian Brendan O'Leary explains in his masterwork on the North, the North is not a state, or even a province. It is instead an unworkable fantasy based on unionist supremacy. A ragbag of a place whose raison d'etre has always been to rub the Catholics' noses in it. We have lived through systematic discrimination, electoral fraud, deprivation of the vote, violent repression of civil rights, shoot to kill, massacres of innocent civilians without consequence (Bloody Sunday, Glenanne, Ballymurphy) and so on. If children in the Republic were taught that in 1971, thousands of Catholic men were rounded up and detained in a detention camp outside Belfast without charge or trial for up to three years, they would think you were joking. Doesn't that only happen in Russia?

In 1976, after a music night at the Bellaghy club, my parents and a few friends, including my Aunt Maura, who was on the lookout for a man at the time, were stopped by a UDR patrol. My father was taken over the hill out of sight and three shots rang out. Then Packie Kealey (a fiddler). Then Lawrence Mulholland. When car lights appeared on the horizon, the soldiers got back in their Land Rover and drove off. My Aunt Maura said: "Your mother was heavily pregnant with Aine. We ran over the hill in hysterics. We thought they were dead. They were all alive. Just badly beaten." Subsequently, the men were awarded £5,000 in damages at Magherafelt District Court. No one was ever charged. This was normal life for us.

The Republic turned a blind eye. As writer and historian Paul Larkin put it recently, the only explanation for the hysterical Southern response to anyone talking honestly about the North "is self shame - a phenomenon well attested in post-colonial societies". It is a sense of guilt that comes from them having sat on their hands as the horrors unfolded. Much easier to blame Sinn Féin and the IRA than to call out the root causes.


Hard to disagree with any of that. The Free State had all the time in the world to do something positive for the north but the same sense of entitlement that saw it for them to sell out the 6 counties in the 1920s existed then and still exists today. Acknowledgement and contrition for that really needs to be forthcoming.

Much as I don't agree with Angelo's approach on a number of issues , and antagonism towards "the freestate" is counterproductive, ROI politicians and media in the main have little insight or empathy for the North. Ironically many appear to have more affinity and respect for DUP types than the Irish in the North. FF have had a few exceptions , Albert , and even Charlie and Bertie🤦🏻‍♂️ , whilst Coveney and Peter Barry were the only FG politicians who appeared to have any concern for the Irish in the North.

Angelo , will no doubt be shot down with vigour, as usual , but I would genuinely agree that many in ROI need to reflect on neglect of their fellow countrymen, standing idly by for the first 50 years of horrendous discrimination in NI, and in the last 50 years failing to confront the continuing supremacy of many DUP politicians and their followers . Their vigorous condemnation of IRA atrocities ( and rightly so ) if not matched by calling out unionist supremacy , and trying better to understand the Irish in the North, (as opposed to treating us with disdain), comes across as party political.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 28, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
The "I hate Free Staters" mob are basically Ian O'Doherty, Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards repackaged in green

The lot of them should be banished to a windswept island off the Atlantic coast where they can bitch at each other like Ted Crilly and Dick Byrne

Ah you're projecting now and actually parroting my accurate summations of your illogical and emotional Eoghan Harris type diatribes. Just like Eoghan Harris you can't leave emotion one side. This bit of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head from me when it comes to Free State revisionism on The Troubles:

When the Peace Agreement was signed, the DUP rejected it, then destroyed David Trimble (painting him as a traitor to Ulster) and progressive unionism. As soon as that was done, Paisley U-turned and became First Minister. In spite of the DUP, we are enjoying the most spectacularly successful peace process in modern history. They have had an opportunity in the 25 years since to create a stable Northern Ireland, but they couldn't. This is because they are not so much a political party as an emotion.

As historian Brendan O'Leary explains in his masterwork on the North, the North is not a state, or even a province. It is instead an unworkable fantasy based on unionist supremacy. A ragbag of a place whose raison d'etre has always been to rub the Catholics' noses in it. We have lived through systematic discrimination, electoral fraud, deprivation of the vote, violent repression of civil rights, shoot to kill, massacres of innocent civilians without consequence (Bloody Sunday, Glenanne, Ballymurphy) and so on. If children in the Republic were taught that in 1971, thousands of Catholic men were rounded up and detained in a detention camp outside Belfast without charge or trial for up to three years, they would think you were joking. Doesn't that only happen in Russia?

In 1976, after a music night at the Bellaghy club, my parents and a few friends, including my Aunt Maura, who was on the lookout for a man at the time, were stopped by a UDR patrol. My father was taken over the hill out of sight and three shots rang out. Then Packie Kealey (a fiddler). Then Lawrence Mulholland. When car lights appeared on the horizon, the soldiers got back in their Land Rover and drove off. My Aunt Maura said: "Your mother was heavily pregnant with Aine. We ran over the hill in hysterics. We thought they were dead. They were all alive. Just badly beaten." Subsequently, the men were awarded £5,000 in damages at Magherafelt District Court. No one was ever charged. This was normal life for us.

The Republic turned a blind eye. As writer and historian Paul Larkin put it recently, the only explanation for the hysterical Southern response to anyone talking honestly about the North "is self shame - a phenomenon well attested in post-colonial societies". It is a sense of guilt that comes from them having sat on their hands as the horrors unfolded. Much easier to blame Sinn Féin and the IRA than to call out the root causes.


Hard to disagree with any of that. The Free State had all the time in the world to do something positive for the north but the same sense of entitlement that saw it for them to sell out the 6 counties in the 1920s existed then and still exists today. Acknowledgement and contrition for that really needs to be forthcoming.

Much as I don't agree with Angelo's approach on a number of issues , and antagonism towards "the freestate" is counterproductive, ROI politicians and media in the main have little insight or empathy for the North. Ironically many appear to have more affinity and respect for DUP types than the Irish in the North. FF have had a few exceptions , Albert , and even Charlie and Bertie🤦🏻‍♂️ , whilst Coveney and Peter Barry were the only FG politicians who appeared to have any concern for the Irish in the North.

Angelo , will no doubt be shot down with vigour, as usual , but I would genuinely agree that many in ROI need to reflect on neglect of their fellow countrymen, standing idly for the first 50 years of horrendous discrimination in NI, and failing to confront the continuing supremacy of many DUP politicians and their followers . Their vigorous condemnation of IRA atrocities ( and rightly so ) if not matched by calling out unionist supremacy , and trying better to understand the Irish in the North, (as opposed to treating us with disdain), comes across as party political.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
People like Rossfan are clutching to any hope they have of partition being retained.

Thankfully for us all, dinosaurs like Rossfan belong in the same category of the DUP and the demographics are making their views and votes more and more obsolete.

It's going to happen and all those vociferous and aggressive partitionists like Rossfan and Gregory Campbell can't do a jot about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
Dear southern brothers, do not take Angelo as speaking for northern nationalism. His pathetic instance in call the state the free state is to get a rise. The only people I hear calling it the Freestate now are loyalists using it in a derogatory manner.

Dear posters.

Please do not take this unionist bootlicker to speak for any republican on this island.

End of message.

I come from a Republican area, we call it the Free State.
Says it all when insults are the only answer you have.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.

I respect your view Rossfan, but I don't fit into above category and I don't know of any other Irish in the north that do, and herein lies the problem I alluded to. Many in ROI have little or no insight understanding or empathy for the Irish in the North. It suits many to paint us as a cantankerous rabble ( though Angelo doesn't do much to counter that view😂) rather than actively engage with us in tackling DUP supremacy which remains the biggest barrier to progress on this island.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 29, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
Dear southern brothers, do not take Angelo as speaking for northern nationalism. His pathetic instance in call the state the free state is to get a rise. The only people I hear calling it the Freestate now are loyalists using it in a derogatory manner.

Dear posters.

Please do not take this unionist bootlicker to speak for any republican on this island.

End of message.

I come from a Republican area, we call it the Free State.
Says it all when insults are the only answer you have.

The irony of this post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 11:55:12 AM
My focus would be on eradicating two failed states on this island that promote elitism and supremacy for the well heeled.

So I don't really care what those elitists (FF/FG and their voting pool) or the supremacists (DUP/UUP) have to contribute to these matters. They have sinister vested interests for retaining the status quo, they are not going to be engaged with. It's the others who want to bring an end to the end two failed states, who are somewhat flexible in their viewpoints that will decide this.

Not your Gregory Campbells or Rossfans.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
Always respect your moderate views 6th Sam. ( The Angelas are a mirror image of TUV🙄,)
Not sure what you mean by "DUP Supremacy".
Like it or not most Unionists vote for the ****s but all they're doing is leading their electorate back to the 17th Century or at best hankering after the 1950s.
But they aren't supreme any more.

A civic forum, civic nationalism engaging with civic unionism and the 20% middle ground is the way to go.
Meanwhile SF, SDLP  FF, FG and anyone else need to be talking about what shape the new All Ireland entity might take.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.

I respect your view Rossfan, but I don't fit into above category and I don't know of any other Irish in the north that do, and herein lies the problem I alluded to. Many in ROI have little or no insight understanding or empathy for the Irish in the North. It suits many to paint us as a cantankerous rabble ( though Angelo doesn't do much to counter that view😂) rather than actively engage with us in tackling DUP supremacy which remains the biggest barrier to progress on this island.
Great stuff!
As a southerner with an above average (for a free stater!) interest in the uification of this island, I appredciate that you represent the majority view amongst Nationalists north of the border- however, you do appreciate that you can come across to many as 'a cantankerous rabble.'
That shouldn't surprise you as it is the cantankeroous elements who grab the headlines.
I can say with conviction that the general view of the political situation north of the border is one of bewilderment.
I guess the majority down here take a simplistic view on northern affairs but...
You had your GFA that everyone (up there) signed up for and there's a clearly defined roadmap for unifiucation aand if evemts pan out as expected, there will be an all-ireland state. Such an entity never existed before, so what's the rush? People down here backed the GFA alll the way- the sectarian articles in our constitution were batted aside by overwhelming mnajorities so Southerners ask, what more can they do?
There's a vague idea that some nationalists are troublemakers, helll bent oin insulting the republic, yet 100% insisting that we shoulld be honoured to joiin u with them.
Your aggro boys will get a rude awakening if unity comes to pass.
They can roar and bawl and beat their drums and nobody will even notice them. After all, if you do a quick statistical check, those so-callled nationalists who want to continue the dogfight with Unioniosts, 'Free Staters' and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all will make uo no more that 2% of the island's population.
Peoplpe down here have an immense amount of latent goodwilll for moderate nationalism and will back unity when cross-community realationships have stablised.
The problem, in brief. for you and those who share your beliefs is that the loud mouths in your midst are delayiing the chances of a "Yes" vote for many years to come more than Arlene @ Co. ever could.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
Always respect your moderate views 6th Sam. ( The Angelas are a mirror image of TUV🙄,)
Not sure what you mean by "DUP Supremacy".
Like it or not most Unionists vote for the ****s but all they're doing is leading their electorate back to the 17th Century or at best hankering after the 1950s.
But they aren't supreme any more.

A civic forum, civic nationalism engaging with civic unionism and the 20% middle ground is the way to go.
Meanwhile SF, SDLP  FF, FG and anyone else need to be talking about what shape the new All Ireland entity might take.

You have much more in common with the TUV than I ever will sunshine.

The truth seems to unsettle you however as does the future of this island.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.

I respect your view Rossfan, but I don't fit into above category and I don't know of any other Irish in the north that do, and herein lies the problem I alluded to. Many in ROI have little or no insight understanding or empathy for the Irish in the North. It suits many to paint us as a cantankerous rabble ( though Angelo doesn't do much to counter that view😂) rather than actively engage with us in tackling DUP supremacy which remains the biggest barrier to progress on this island.
Great stuff!
As a southerner with an above average (for a free stater!) interest in the uification of this island, I appredciate that you represent the majority view amongst Nationalists north of the border- however, you do appreciate that you can come across to many as 'a cantankerous rabble.'
That shouldn't surprise you as it is the cantankeroous elements who grab the headlines.
I can say with conviction that the general view of the political situation north of the border is one of bewilderment.
I guess the majority down here take a simplistic view on northern affairs but...
You had your GFA that everyone (up there) signed up for and there's a clearly defined roadmap for unifiucation aand if evemts pan out as expected, there will be an all-ireland state. Such an entity never existed before, so what's the rush? People down here backed the GFA alll the way- the sectarian articles in our constitution were batted aside by overwhelming mnajorities so Southerners ask, what more can they do?
There's a vague idea that some nationalists are troublemakers, helll bent oin insulting the republic, yet 100% insisting that we shoulld be honoured to joiin u with them.
Your aggro boys will get a rude awakening if unity comes to pass.
They can roar and bawl and beat their drums and nobody will even notice them. After all, if you do a quick statistical check, those so-callled nationalists who want to continue the dogfight with Unioniosts, 'Free Staters' and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all will make uo no more that 2% of the island's population.
Peoplpe down here have an immense amount of latent goodwilll for moderate nationalism and will back unity when cross-community realationships have stablised.
The problem, in brief. for you and those who share your beliefs is that the loud mouths in your midst are delayiing the chances of a "Yes" vote for many years to come more than Arlene @ Co. ever could.

On what grounds do those "loudmouths" delay reunification? The fact that freestaters don't want to take ownership of unavoidable fact you abandoned the north and watched on as northern nationalists were brutalized? That it's an uncomfortable truth that they don't want to recognise, maybe it's time for the Free State grow up and show some humility, some acceptance and some contrition for it?

It was wrong what the free state did, indefensible. How about some ownership of that rather than deflection tactics? Rather than talking about everything else other than the free state's willingness to facilitate and enable a sectarian statelet on this island, we talk about that specific matter?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cavan19 on March 29, 2021, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.

I respect your view Rossfan, but I don't fit into above category and I don't know of any other Irish in the north that do, and herein lies the problem I alluded to. Many in ROI have little or no insight understanding or empathy for the Irish in the North. It suits many to paint us as a cantankerous rabble ( though Angelo doesn't do much to counter that view😂) rather than actively engage with us in tackling DUP supremacy which remains the biggest barrier to progress on this island.
Great stuff!
As a southerner with an above average (for a free stater!) interest in the uification of this island, I appredciate that you represent the majority view amongst Nationalists north of the border- however, you do appreciate that you can come across to many as 'a cantankerous rabble.'
That shouldn't surprise you as it is the cantankeroous elements who grab the headlines.
I can say with conviction that the general view of the political situation north of the border is one of bewilderment.
I guess the majority down here take a simplistic view on northern affairs but...
You had your GFA that everyone (up there) signed up for and there's a clearly defined roadmap for unifiucation aand if evemts pan out as expected, there will be an all-ireland state. Such an entity never existed before, so what's the rush? People down here backed the GFA alll the way- the sectarian articles in our constitution were batted aside by overwhelming mnajorities so Southerners ask, what more can they do?
There's a vague idea that some nationalists are troublemakers, helll bent oin insulting the republic, yet 100% insisting that we shoulld be honoured to joiin u with them.
Your aggro boys will get a rude awakening if unity comes to pass.
They can roar and bawl and beat their drums and nobody will even notice them. After all, if you do a quick statistical check, those so-callled nationalists who want to continue the dogfight with Unioniosts, 'Free Staters' and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all will make uo no more that 2% of the island's population.
Peoplpe down here have an immense amount of latent goodwilll for moderate nationalism and will back unity when cross-community realationships have stablised.
The problem, in brief. for you and those who share your beliefs is that the loud mouths in your midst are delayiing the chances of a "Yes" vote for many years to come more than Arlene @ Co. ever could.

On what grounds do those "loudmouths" delay reunification? The fact that freestaters don't want to take ownership of unavoidable fact you abandoned the north and watched on as northern nationalists were brutalized? That it's an uncomfortable truth that they don't want to recognise, maybe it's time for the Free State grow up and show some humility, some acceptance and some contrition for it?

It was wrong what the free state did, indefensible. How about some ownership of that rather than deflection tactics? Rather than talking about everything else other than the free state's willingness to facilitate and enable a sectarian statelet on this island, we talk about that specific matter?

I wasn't even born, well not old enough to remember the troubles in the North.

I would like a United Ireland but reading some of the comments here i would suggest that some look forward instead of backwards. The past is history to a lot of people on this Island and the bitterness for some will never go away but it will not help get a united ireland.

I'm not going to get into a conversation on this with anyway just wanted to give a small input.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 29, 2021, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
Who do the narrow minded extremists think they are going to unite with ?
It may be a wet dream for them to imagine all of Ireland being turned into a one party  South Armagh* like Sinn Féin Socialist Republic.
The 98% who live in the real world (incl most of SF) won't be having that.

*Apologies to any South Armagh people but I had to pick somewhere.

I respect your view Rossfan, but I don't fit into above category and I don't know of any other Irish in the north that do, and herein lies the problem I alluded to. Many in ROI have little or no insight understanding or empathy for the Irish in the North. It suits many to paint us as a cantankerous rabble ( though Angelo doesn't do much to counter that view😂) rather than actively engage with us in tackling DUP supremacy which remains the biggest barrier to progress on this island.
Great stuff!
As a southerner with an above average (for a free stater!) interest in the uification of this island, I appredciate that you represent the majority view amongst Nationalists north of the border- however, you do appreciate that you can come across to many as 'a cantankerous rabble.'
That shouldn't surprise you as it is the cantankeroous elements who grab the headlines.
I can say with conviction that the general view of the political situation north of the border is one of bewilderment.
I guess the majority down here take a simplistic view on northern affairs but...
You had your GFA that everyone (up there) signed up for and there's a clearly defined roadmap for unifiucation aand if evemts pan out as expected, there will be an all-ireland state. Such an entity never existed before, so what's the rush? People down here backed the GFA alll the way- the sectarian articles in our constitution were batted aside by overwhelming mnajorities so Southerners ask, what more can they do?
There's a vague idea that some nationalists are troublemakers, helll bent oin insulting the republic, yet 100% insisting that we shoulld be honoured to joiin u with them.
Your aggro boys will get a rude awakening if unity comes to pass.
They can roar and bawl and beat their drums and nobody will even notice them. After all, if you do a quick statistical check, those so-callled nationalists who want to continue the dogfight with Unioniosts, 'Free Staters' and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all will make uo no more that 2% of the island's population.
Peoplpe down here have an immense amount of latent goodwilll for moderate nationalism and will back unity when cross-community realationships have stablised.
The problem, in brief. for you and those who share your beliefs is that the loud mouths in your midst are delayiing the chances of a "Yes" vote for many years to come more than Arlene @ Co. ever could.

On what grounds do those "loudmouths" delay reunification? The fact that freestaters don't want to take ownership of unavoidable fact you abandoned the north and watched on as northern nationalists were brutalized? That it's an uncomfortable truth that they don't want to recognise, maybe it's time for the Free State grow up and show some humility, some acceptance and some contrition for it?

It was wrong what the free state did, indefensible. How about some ownership of that rather than deflection tactics? Rather than talking about everything else other than the free state's willingness to facilitate and enable a sectarian statelet on this island, we talk about that specific matter?

I wasn't even born, well not old enough to remember the troubles in the North.

I would like a United Ireland but reading some of the comments here i would suggest that some look forward instead of backwards. The past is history to a lot of people on this Island and the bitterness for some will never go away but it will not help get a united ireland.

I'm not going to get into a conversation on this with anyway just wanted to give a small input.

It's fine when we are asked to look forward but when you have the usual suspects who keep bringing the past up then telling us to look forward when it's their own murky past in the conversation crosshairs then that's a different story.

It's alright for some to trash the IRA but they don't want to look at the fact their state did nothing when innocent nationalists were being beaten off the streets, shot dead in broad daylight and burned out their homes by or with the help of the state forces up north.

You lose all rights to lecture and pontificate when you did nothing to stop that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
I remember back when I was a gasúinín 1982 or so.
My mother asked me to deliver a parcel to a neighbour that she'd brought from town.
I went in, News came on the radio and after about 90 seconds he turned it off.
"Nothin on the News but the fkn North, mornin noon and night. Tow the fkn place out onto the Atlantic and sink it ta fk" he thundered.
I'd say he was representative of a significant minority.

I suspect that exasperation continued till 1998 and the GFA which would be viewed as them shower seeing some sense, even if it took up so much of the time of 2 Governments and a US President to make them see it.

Note - the above are not my views, just a snapshot of how many see ye ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
I remember back when I was a gasúinín 1982 or so.
My mother asked me to deliver a parcel to a neighbour that she'd brought from town.
I went in, News came on the radio and after about 90 seconds he turned it off.
"Nothin on the News but the fkn North, mornin noon and night. Tow the fkn place out onto the Atlantic and sink it ta fk" he thundered.
I'd say he was representative of a significant minority.

I suspect that exasperation continued till 1998 and the GFA which would be viewed as them shower seeing some sense, even if it took up so much of the time of 2 Governments and a US President to make them see it.

Note - the above are not my views, just a snapshot of how many see ye ;)

Thanks Ross, a refreshing bit of honesty. The expressed view above is what  Irish up here  resent, in much the same way as southerners rightly resent the view of many here that you sold us out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 29, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
I remember back when I was a gasúinín 1982 or so.
My mother asked me to deliver a parcel to a neighbour that she'd brought from town.
I went in, News came on the radio and after about 90 seconds he turned it off.
"Nothin on the News but the fkn North, mornin noon and night. Tow the fkn place out onto the Atlantic and sink it ta fk" he thundered.
I'd say he was representative of a significant minority.

I suspect that exasperation continued till 1998 and the GFA which would be viewed as them shower seeing some sense, even if it took up so much of the time of 2 Governments and a US President to make them see it.

Note - the above are not my views, just a snapshot of how many see ye ;)

Thanks Ross, a refreshing bit of honesty. The expressed view above is what  Irish up here  resent, in much the same way as southerners rightly resent the view of many here that you sold us out.

I tbink Rossfan anecdote of the village idiot in some village in Roscommon doesn't really tell me anything
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 29, 2021, 10:59:28 PM
Lar - maybe properly investigste the dublin and monaghan bombing and tell everyone who did it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on March 29, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 29, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 28, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
The "I hate Free Staters" mob are basically Ian O'Doherty, Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards repackaged in green

The lot of them should be banished to a windswept island off the Atlantic coast where they can bitch at each other like Ted Crilly and Dick Byrne

Ah you're projecting now and actually parroting my accurate summations of your illogical and emotional Eoghan Harris type diatribes. Just like Eoghan Harris you can't leave emotion one side. This bit of Brolly's article hits the nail on the head from me when it comes to Free State revisionism on The Troubles:

When the Peace Agreement was signed, the DUP rejected it, then destroyed David Trimble (painting him as a traitor to Ulster) and progressive unionism. As soon as that was done, Paisley U-turned and became First Minister. In spite of the DUP, we are enjoying the most spectacularly successful peace process in modern history. They have had an opportunity in the 25 years since to create a stable Northern Ireland, but they couldn't. This is because they are not so much a political party as an emotion.

As historian Brendan O'Leary explains in his masterwork on the North, the North is not a state, or even a province. It is instead an unworkable fantasy based on unionist supremacy. A ragbag of a place whose raison d'etre has always been to rub the Catholics' noses in it. We have lived through systematic discrimination, electoral fraud, deprivation of the vote, violent repression of civil rights, shoot to kill, massacres of innocent civilians without consequence (Bloody Sunday, Glenanne, Ballymurphy) and so on. If children in the Republic were taught that in 1971, thousands of Catholic men were rounded up and detained in a detention camp outside Belfast without charge or trial for up to three years, they would think you were joking. Doesn't that only happen in Russia?

In 1976, after a music night at the Bellaghy club, my parents and a few friends, including my Aunt Maura, who was on the lookout for a man at the time, were stopped by a UDR patrol. My father was taken over the hill out of sight and three shots rang out. Then Packie Kealey (a fiddler). Then Lawrence Mulholland. When car lights appeared on the horizon, the soldiers got back in their Land Rover and drove off. My Aunt Maura said: "Your mother was heavily pregnant with Aine. We ran over the hill in hysterics. We thought they were dead. They were all alive. Just badly beaten." Subsequently, the men were awarded £5,000 in damages at Magherafelt District Court. No one was ever charged. This was normal life for us.

The Republic turned a blind eye. As writer and historian Paul Larkin put it recently, the only explanation for the hysterical Southern response to anyone talking honestly about the North "is self shame - a phenomenon well attested in post-colonial societies". It is a sense of guilt that comes from them having sat on their hands as the horrors unfolded. Much easier to blame Sinn Féin and the IRA than to call out the root causes.


Hard to disagree with any of that. The Free State had all the time in the world to do something positive for the north but the same sense of entitlement that saw it for them to sell out the 6 counties in the 1920s existed then and still exists today. Acknowledgement and contrition for that really needs to be forthcoming.

Much as I don't agree with Angelo's approach on a number of issues , and antagonism towards "the freestate" is counterproductive, ROI politicians and media in the main have little insight or empathy for the North. Ironically many appear to have more affinity and respect for DUP types than the Irish in the North. FF have had a few exceptions , Albert , and even Charlie and Bertie🤦🏻‍♂️ , whilst Coveney and Peter Barry were the only FG politicians who appeared to have any concern for the Irish in the North.

Angelo , will no doubt be shot down with vigour, as usual , but I would genuinely agree that many in ROI need to reflect on neglect of their fellow countrymen, standing idly by for the first 50 years of horrendous discrimination in NI, and in the last 50 years failing to confront the continuing supremacy of many DUP politicians and their followers . Their vigorous condemnation of IRA atrocities ( and rightly so ) if not matched by calling out unionist supremacy , and trying better to understand the Irish in the North, (as opposed to treating us with disdain), comes across as party political.

Well said 6th Sam, great post, nail on head.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
Thanks for the reply as I now have a clearer understanding of the issues that upset you.
The Unionist issue hasn't come into our discussion until now but really that is the proverbial elephant in the room- for a large element down here.
We are all afraid to some degree that there could well be a violent loyalist backlash. It makes no sense to say that the UDA/UDF and their myriad of splinter groups will meekly accept unification..
Yes, there are genuine fears of a violent loyalist reaction down here and more bombs could be exploded in Dublin and Monaghan and other places as well.
Throw in the incessant moaning from a small but noisy faction within the Nationalist community and the recipe for warfare is there. I am saying that this is a genuine fear of many southerners and the possibility that there won't be a counter reaction from IRA splinter groups can't be discounted.
It is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff in a manner of speaking and by that I mean, it is inevitable that many will assume that all Nationalists refuse to be satisfied about anyone or anything south of the border.
Take the Irish Language Act for instance. From our perspective, there's  much sectarian dogfighting over this. Yet, if there is a referendum in the near future and there is a vote for unity, what Arlene and her diehards think won't matter anymore. Irish was never officially recognised in the north so why not wait a wee bit longer?
Another big fear is that the cost of integrating the north will be ruinous.  I'd imagine that helping our fellow countrymen would not be a big concern but paying the dole money to the loyalists who hate our guts might be a problem for some. Then add in the 2% or so of the aggro boys on 'your side' and you should realise that we have little enthusiasm at the prospect of the likely trouble spilling across the border.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 06:47:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D
To be fair I have stated very clearly that as a Northern Nationalist I do not believe that the south could have done anything to help, other than take us in when necessary. Now in my 60's I was brought up to regard the Irish Government and state as mine. We read the Irish/Sunday Press and listened to RTE radio. I don't and never did have any allegiance to NI, it was theirs. Don't tar most nationalist with the ignorant rantings of the few. there is a chance now for a new beginning but those on here throwing insults at everyone who does not conform to their idea of a UI, calling people free staters or lickspittles are not representative and make unity harder to sell. That is not to excuse some of the ignorant commentary on here from southern posters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 06:53:48 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
I can't disagree with most of this, DUP attitude to the south summed up yesterday by Campbell on talkback laughing at the south being shafted on vaccines by the EU and lauding the UK. He's too biased to realise that by not vaccinating the people living in Donegal a few miles down the road jeopardises us all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 08:03:46 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
Thanks for the reply as I now have a clearer understanding of the issues that upset you.
The Unionist issue hasn't come into our discussion until now but really that is the proverbial elephant in the room- for a large element down here.
We are all afraid to some degree that there could well be a violent loyalist backlash. It makes no sense to say that the UDA/UDF and their myriad of splinter groups will meekly accept unification..
Yes, there are genuine fears of a violent loyalist reaction down here and more bombs could be exploded in Dublin and Monaghan and other places as well.
Throw in the incessant moaning from a small but noisy faction within the Nationalist community and the recipe for warfare is there. I am saying that this is a genuine fear of many southerners and the possibility that there won't be a counter reaction from IRA splinter groups can't be discounted.
It is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff in a manner of speaking and by that I mean, it is inevitable that many will assume that all Nationalists refuse to be satisfied about anyone or anything south of the border.
Take the Irish Language Act for instance. From our perspective, there's  much sectarian dogfighting over this. Yet, if there is a referendum in the near future and there is a vote for unity, what Arlene and her diehards think won't matter anymore. Irish was never officially recognised in the north so why not wait a wee bit longer?
Another big fear is that the cost of integrating the north will be ruinous.  I'd imagine that helping our fellow countrymen would not be a big concern but paying the dole money to the loyalists who hate our guts might be a problem for some. Then add in the 2% or so of the aggro boys on 'your side' and you should realise that we have little enthusiasm at the prospect of the likely trouble spilling across the border.

All good points.

So Tbf,  your bottom line is we should "just suck it up"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 06:47:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D
To be fair I have stated very clearly that as a Northern Nationalist I do not believe that the south could have done anything to help, other than take us in when necessary. Now in my 60's I was brought up to regard the Irish Government and state as mine. We read the Irish/Sunday Press and listened to RTE radio. I don't and never did have any allegiance to NI, it was theirs. Don't tar most nationalist with the ignorant rantings of the few. there is a chance now for a new beginning but those on here throwing insults at everyone who does not conform to their idea of a UI, calling people free staters or lickspittles are not representative and make unity harder to sell. That is not to excuse some of the ignorant commentary on here from southern posters.
Totally agree with most of that, And that's representative of most Irish "up here" . That's why we understandably find the"suck it up" attitude from some , offensive
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on March 30, 2021, 08:18:23 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 06:53:48 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
I can't disagree with most of this, DUP attitude to the south summed up yesterday by Campbell on talkback laughing at the south being shafted on vaccines by the EU and lauding the UK. He's too biased to realise that by not vaccinating the people living in Donegal a few miles down the road jeopardises us all.


That's the problem right there, for too long, naked, blatant sectarian comments have been accepted as the norm. Brolly doesn't and didn't last Monday night. Yet what happens, he gets out on the naughty step. His subsequent article on how the DUP bringing God into their argument has them on the back foot from the start. Flat earth, evangelical nonsense. And here's the real crux of it, a large proportion of northern Protestants are brought up to believe that Catholics are actually inferior and to be treated like shite on the sole of your shoe. Their mantra, 'we are the people'.
Slowly, since the 60s, with the advent of a vote, the education act and equal rights for employment, the perception is that the Protestant state for a Protestant people is being slowly eroded. Parity of esteem is a last resort.
Nationalists were able to eventually get off their knees financially and it now sticks in the craw. Bastions of unionism in education like Methodist College and Belfast Royal are now 50/50. Ravenhill is no longer exclusively unionist. City Hall no longer flies the Union Jack. Property and land that was traditionally Protestant owned is now more than likely to be bought by a catholic. The only 'culture' they have left to cling onto is norn iron soccer and god forbid, the orange order. Sadly, a shared space for all is still a generation away at least.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 08:25:29 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 06:53:48 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 29, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Lar naparka, I totally empathise with the viewpoint of those in ROI who are concerned about taking the North on board, but your post completely represents the attitude that grinds with the Irish in the North, absolutely no attempt to empathise with Irish up North who have suffered. It is very easy to say you respect "moderate nationalist" as if it's a badge of honour , the fact that you perhaps don't understand is that most who suffered are not "moderate nationalists". The SDLP have contributed well on occasions , but they are mainly derived from that section of the Irish population up here who have suffered less. To give yourself some feedback, your post comes across to me as sneering , disdainful, and patronising to those in a different part of the Island who consider themselves as Irish as you but rarely have that recognised.
Pre 1916 those that considered themselves Irish in Fermanagh for example endured the famine in the same way as those from monaghan did, but they didn't rid themselves of British rule. In addition their best lands were taken off them in the plantation, and handed to British . Those that  were city dwellers had little chance of employment and many were burned out of their homes. They had to
Live in a sectarian state where their Irishness was devalued . This was mostly ignored by the ROI as they were too busy trying to develop their fledging state( and failing pretty badly under many parameters). As Rossfan has alluded to , I'm neither cantankerous nor a rabble rouser , I'm just hoping for recognition from ROI that their support for The Irish in the Northern state has been limited. Rightly we are expected to reflect on our contribution to the conflict , but so must you.
You should also reflect that I have family members , who are moderate northern nationalists who live in the South and they often comment on a palpable antagonism towards them as northerners and a lack of empathy or insight or interest. Calling that out doesn't make me cantankerous, and I've no animosity to southerners, quite the contrary.
For starters I regret very much that you take anything I've said as 'sneering , disdainful, and patronising.' and I certainly never implied that you or the vast majority of Nationalist are a cantankerous rabble.
Yet, you seem to be one of those who harbour a deep sense of resentment that the south didn't come to your aid and you were left to fight on your own.
Yet damn all of you ever wondered why the Nationalists, north and south, fought as one against the Tanks and the might of the British army and the south then turned around and ditched you..
Do you really think it was a case of, "I'm alright Jack?"

I'm really curious here: What do you know about the Irish Civil War?
Very little I would guess and the same applies to the vast majority of northern nationalists. Families were split down the middle and brothers fought fathers with more hatred that was ever felt for the Tans.
The bitterness still lingers on to this day.
How could anyone expect those in the south to 'do something' when the factions wouldn't do business with shopkeepers, doctors, dentists and the likes that belonged to the other side?
For generations, they wouldn't attend the other side's funerals. More people were killed in this conflict that lasted less than a year than were killed in the almost 40 years of your Troubles.
To cap it all, De Valera refused to continue paying British Treasury loans as they fell due  and the British retaliated by blocking agricultural produce from the south.
This 'Economic War' lasted during most of the 30s and well and truly banjaxed the southern economy and then WW11 came along and nearly finished us off altogether.
The boat to Holyhead was the only way out of trouble and in my own county, Mayo, the population had fallen by over one third in the period between the Treaty and the 1960s.
Do you seriously believe that the people of Mayoi or anywhere else had the luxury to come to your aid?

BTW, nobody yet on this board or anywhere else has ever tried to spell out what they feel the south could have done to 'come to your aid.' Dozens of half-starved Paddies on bicycles without tyres and shaking hay forks or turf spades would be about the height of it. Yet, it seems to me that few if any northern Nationalists ever give thought as to why their southern kinsmen did not 'do something.'
You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you?
(I'd be more willing to consider what you may say if you leave stuff like Southern bastards, partionists and the likes out of it.) ;D

When you fear that I'll resort to name calling, you're wrong.
When You guess I know very little about the Civil war and leaving Mayo for Holyhead, you're wrong.
When you suspect I have a deep sense of resentment towards the South you're also wrong, and obviously you don't read my posts which display a genuine respect for the development of ROI.
When you imply that I expected ROI to invade to help us out, you're again wrong, all I want is a recognition that there may be a problem with the antagonistic view you and other southerners express towards your fellow countrymen.
There's a problem with etymology here- the precise meaning of words. I imagine you don't wander off course and neither do I so I'll just say that people in the North take a more literal meaning out of a sentence than those in the South are inclined to do.
That's by way of saying I would never dream of expecting you to resort to name calling or of linking in with the 'cantankerous rabble' in any way.
I did ask you a direct question, "You seem to be an articulate guy to me. Would you spell out what you think the South could have done to help you? "
This was in the context of what I had been saying about the name callers and sabre rattlers that get all Nationalists a bad name down south. After all, you seem genuinely upset that southerners have a very low regard for the northern nationalists and I thought I had gone to great lengths to explain why.
So the last sentence in brackets had an emoji attached as a feeble attempt at humour- I was looking for your genuine, no nonsense reason for feeling the South didn't like all Nationaliast north of the border.
God, I thought I had gone into detail on that subject and I did say that I'd find nothing wrong with 95% or thereabouts of the Nationalist upp North. Ross gave you one good reason why people down south are fed up hearing about endless trouble in the north. Others on the board have chipped in and yet in your last sentence to me you still feel that we have an antagonist view of our fellow country men.
I don't expect the  'cantankerous rabble' to pay attention to anything I say but I expected more understanding from you. If myself, Ross and other posters haven't given you reasons aplenty, there's no point in going further.
You tell me that I am wrong in a number of cases but you failed to answer the questions I put to you every time so I could hardly be anything but wrong!
I did not ask you if you had heard of the Civil War. (Same goes for mass emigration.
In both cases I wanted to know what you knew about them.)
What I wanted to know was what you knew of the troubles the republic had gone through and did you think  the Republic should have been able, somehow, to do something for their northern brethren?
In brief, Ross have given one reason why the republic are short on sympathy for our northern fellow-country men and I have given you plenty of others. If that's not enough, there's the little matter of picking up the tab if unification ever comes to pass.  Who will pay the bills when the British depart?

Thanks for the detail.
I've made my views clear and though I have strongly held views it doesn't upset me when others hold different views, even if they are cliched as above that northerners don't do humour 😂😂.
It boils down to this , I feel that some in the south have the view, which you have articulated well, that Irish in the north should basically "suck it up" because the South had it much harder. I accept the South , to which I have strong affinity , didn't have it easy but I'd never ask you to "suck it up " . It's the same ethos that would have SF bend over backwards to remain in government with the DUP , and expect the DUP to do likewise , but woe betide any party in the South going into coalition with SF. I've had a lifetime of having to live under unionist rule here, people like Sammy Wilson
And Gregory Campbell ( if you don't know what they represent, simply google their names and "controversy".) . This DUP attitude in the North still abounds and it has turned the 6 counties into a basket case.  I never expected the south to take up arms to support the North but I would expect Southern politicians to advocate for the Irish in the north and have more empathy for our position in having to put up with DUP backwater politics. To give you a flavour of DUP politics, the south is way behind the north in vaccinations, it makes sense scientifically for the north to donate vaccines to the south and the DUP are happy to do it after everybody in the the north is vaccinated🤦🏻‍♂️. Ungenerous , Unneighbourly, anti-Irish
And unscientific , yet they can't help themselves. When northern nationalists call out this nonsense we are accused of being cantankerous by many in the south, "two sides of the same coin " etc.  You literally couldn't make it up🤦🏻‍♂️
I can't disagree with most of this, DUP attitude to the south summed up yesterday by Campbell on talkback laughing at the south being shafted on vaccines by the EU and lauding the UK. He's too biased to realise that by not vaccinating the people living in Donegal a few miles down the road jeopardises us all.
Exactly, gloating about Uk being ahead of EU , and getting the boot into the south even though scientifically it makes no sense not to have an all-ireland approach. That unscientific, unneighbourly ungenerous , anti-Irish behaviour is what we have to deal with on a daily basis. Ironically we had to leave the EU against the wishes of the majority here, but we should continue to "suck it up" and keep our heads down, according to some in the south 🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 01:02:17 PM
Not forgetting the 1985 Anglo Irish agreement when the Brits at last publicly recognised that the 6 Cos were not "as British as Finchley".
Took a lot of effort to get them to that point.
Unionism of course went ballistic but unlike the cowardly British Government of 1974 Thatcher ignored their protests.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on March 30, 2021, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?

Surely you're not writing John Hume out of all of that and letting Bertie take all the credit?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 30, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
So what I gauge from the likes of Lar and Rossfan is that the Free State are too god damn arrogant to confront their past and acknowledge they abandoned their northern brethren and refuse to say it was wrong.

Only a partitionist would get upset at the term free state.

There are two states on this island - The Occupied 6 up north and the southern Free State. If you to rewrite history and pretend that northern nationalists brought 100 years of sectarian strife on themselves then I think it shows the type of shame you guys are unwilling to confront.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Yes Keeper, John Hume talking to Gerry Adams in 1988 started the reigning in of the Provos and bringing them "into the tent".
How he was vilified by the small minded at the time!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.

I think you'll agree from my posts over the years, that  I'm not a negative person , and I recognise the role of many in the South. I disagree with Angelo's aggressive approach, and Tbf I have got on with life ( though I haven't suffered as much as others) , but how do you propose we don't let bigots have their way? We criticise and confront  the DUP and we're accused of being cantankerous agitators....."you're all the same up there".
My solution as stated on many occasions is to focus on selling an all-island solution , to both sides of the border. This will have to include a British component or we run the risk of ~15% of the population of the island (British) being marginalised. Now as it stands ~15 % of the population of the island ( Irish in the north)  are currently marginalised, but apparently that's fair enough.
There are differences on both sides of the border and both could learn from each other, but this involves mutual respect and a willingness to listen, learn and show empathy.
The reason why I introduced the phrase "suck it up" is because that's what we have done for years, but   Leaving the EU and further economic deterioration here, is actually galling for me. I'm not asking for troops at the border , I'm not asking for economic sacrifices , I'm only asking for a recognition that the Irish in the North continue to live under the control of what many consider one of the most backward parties in the "developed world". It's bad enough having to put up with it, but when your fellow countrymen criticise you for challenging these dinosaurs with the "one's as bad as the other" accusation , it's offensive. That said, ironically  , I can understand why many of my friends and workmates would vote DUP, as they are the largest unionist party and are therefore viewed as best placed to maintain the union. What so-called "nationalists" ( don't like that word) , north and south have failed to do is present , cost , and sell an all-island alternative that respects all sides, and finally marginalises DUP bully boy tactics. The way to deal with bullies is to face up to them with a unified approach to marginalise them and hopefully change their ways. Unfortunately Some here appear happier , on the other hand to marginalise those who confront DUP behaviour .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on March 30, 2021, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?

Surely you're not writing John Hume out of all of that and letting Bertie take all the credit?

Not all all.
I was concentrating on the role of the republic in orchestrating the peace process from start to finish.
Naturally Bertie didn't do it all on his own. It was Albert Reynolds who set the ball rolling and getting Adams interest but Hume took it from  there and did convince the Provos to commit to negotiations. But we  are talking about the part played by the south. in gaining  parity of esteem and in creating a road map  to unification. there has been no acknowledgement of this from those who wonder why we seem antagonistic.
Why Ross said about the boy with the radio is even more relevant now post- GFA.
Reasonable southerns despair of you ever shutting up and getting down to discussing anything at all with the Prods of a constructive nature.
Also, and this is crucial, moderate nationalists are making no effort to put distance between themselves and the minority than keepon moaning about everything done by the south.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.

I think you'll agree from my posts over the years, that  I'm not a negative person , and I recognise the role of many in the South. I disagree with Angelo's aggressive approach, and Tbf I have got on with life ( though I haven't suffered as much as others) , but how do you propose we don't let bigots have their way? We criticise and confront  the DUP and we're accused of being cantankerous agitators....."you're all the same up there".
My solution as stated on many occasions is to focus on selling an all-island solution , to both sides of the border. This will have to include a British component or we run the risk of ~15% of the population of the island (British) being marginalised. Now as it stands ~15 % of the population of the island ( Irish in the north)  are currently marginalised, but apparently that's fair enough.
There are differences on both sides of the border and both could learn from each other, but this involves mutual respect and a willingness to listen, learn and show empathy.
The reason why I introduced the phrase "suck it up" is because that's what we have done for years, but   Leaving the EU and further economic deterioration here, is actually galling for me. I'm not asking for troops at the border , I'm not asking for economic sacrifices , I'm only asking for a recognition that the Irish in the North continue to live under the control of what many consider the most backward parties in the "developed world". It's bad enough having to put up with it, but when your fellow countrymen criticise you for challenging these dinosaurs with the "one's as bad as the other" accusation , it's offensive. That said, ironically  , I can understand why many of my friends and workmates would vote DUP, as they are the largest unionist party and are therefore viewed as best placed to maintain the union. What so-called "nationalists" ( don't like that word) , north and south have failed to do is present , cost , and sell an all-island alternative that respects all sides, and finally marginalises DUP bully boy tactics. The way to deal with bullies is to face up to them with a unified approach to marginalise them and hopefully change their ways. Unfortunately Some here appear happier , on the other hand to marginalise those who confront DUP behaviour .
I can appreciate all you say but from this side of the border, your voice can't be heard. Of course the Unionist mindset is the biggest obstacle to bringing about reconciliation but that's purely because of their weight in numbers.
Ireland, England and the rest of the civilised world were prepared to spend years trying to bring both sides together so do you honestly think they won't go the extra few yards to keep reconciliation talks on track?
If such talks get going, Arlene stans to lose more than Michelle as demographics are not in her favour. No doubt, you find 'themmuns' totally intractable but, from a distance, it seems, the shinners anyway to head butt and eye ball the enemy at every possible opportunity.
Leave it to the Brits to knock the Unionists into line.They did it before and would be quite happy to do so again.
BTW, Nationalists seem to take offence at being referred to as Nordies.Dunno what that means or what reason it offends nationalist. But can you understand why we take exception to the endless jibes about Free Staters?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.

I think you'll agree from my posts over the years, that  I'm not a negative person , and I recognise the role of many in the South. I disagree with Angelo's aggressive approach, and Tbf I have got on with life ( though I haven't suffered as much as others) , but how do you propose we don't let bigots have their way? We criticise and confront  the DUP and we're accused of being cantankerous agitators....."you're all the same up there".
My solution as stated on many occasions is to focus on selling an all-island solution , to both sides of the border. This will have to include a British component or we run the risk of ~15% of the population of the island (British) being marginalised. Now as it stands ~15 % of the population of the island ( Irish in the north)  are currently marginalised, but apparently that's fair enough.
There are differences on both sides of the border and both could learn from each other, but this involves mutual respect and a willingness to listen, learn and show empathy.
The reason why I introduced the phrase "suck it up" is because that's what we have done for years, but   Leaving the EU and further economic deterioration here, is actually galling for me. I'm not asking for troops at the border , I'm not asking for economic sacrifices , I'm only asking for a recognition that the Irish in the North continue to live under the control of what many consider the most backward parties in the "developed world". It's bad enough having to put up with it, but when your fellow countrymen criticise you for challenging these dinosaurs with the "one's as bad as the other" accusation , it's offensive. That said, ironically  , I can understand why many of my friends and workmates would vote DUP, as they are the largest unionist party and are therefore viewed as best placed to maintain the union. What so-called "nationalists" ( don't like that word) , north and south have failed to do is present , cost , and sell an all-island alternative that respects all sides, and finally marginalises DUP bully boy tactics. The way to deal with bullies is to face up to them with a unified approach to marginalise them and hopefully change their ways. Unfortunately Some here appear happier , on the other hand to marginalise those who confront DUP behaviour .
I can appreciate all you say but from this side of the border, your voice can't be heard. Of course the Unionist mindset is the biggest obstacle to bringing about reconciliation but that's purely because of their weight in numbers.
Ireland, England and the rest of the civilised world were prepared to spend years trying to bring both sides together so do you honestly think they won't go the extra few yards to keep reconciliation talks on track?
If such talks get going, Arlene stans to lose more than Michelle as demographics are not in her favour. No doubt, you find 'themmuns' totally intractable but, from a distance, it seems, the shinners anyway to head butt and eye ball the enemy at every possible opportunity.
Leave it to the Brits to knock the Unionists into line.They did it before and would be quite happy to do so again.
BTW, Nationalists seem to take offence at being referred to as Nordies.Dunno what that means or what reason it offends nationalist. But can you understand why we take exception to the endless jibes about Free Staters?

Totally agree re "free staters" , I find it an offensive term. I like the term Nordies Tbf , I view it as a badge of honour .
I agree that the methods must be about persuasion as opposed to confrontation for confrontation's sake but many in the South seem to have little understanding or interest in northern affairs but are happy to "throw their oar in", as if they do. I appreciate , This works both ways. The South had had its challenges but did anyone discriminate  against you in your own land, because you're Irish?  Whether that be going for a job, a house, sectarian abuse by the forces of law and order, collusion by the state, coat trailing marches. Walk a mile in the shoes of someone from Derry , Belfast or east Tyrone . I know several people from the South who have done that , and learnt to appreciate where we're coming from, and on reflection were embarrassed by the lack of understanding, interest or empathy from many southerners. Please take this as it's intended, I appreciate your viewpoint, and as I say I've a genuine affinity for the  South , but a bit more research and reflection before criticising the "cantankerous rabble " would be appreciated .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Can you point out anywhere you disagree with me? I Didn't attempt  to do anything other than present the reason  why  many in the republic are confused and irritated by the continuous jibes being directed at us from people we feel have very short and selective memories.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 04:31:58 PM
Sam, the new all Ireland State has to make arrangements for the 6 Cos and for those who choose British nationality there.
Sensible folks like you, civic unionism and the middle ground are well capable of devising such arrangements.

I'm not very well informed on Belgium's governance* but they (and the Swiss to a point) seem to be able to make arrangements for differing groups within the 1 sovereign State.
Might be a starting point.

* must look it up some time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 30, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Can you point out anywhere you disagree with me? I Didn't attempt  to do anything other than present the reason  why  many in the republic are confused and irritated by the continuous jibes being directed at us from people we feel have very short and selective memories.

You make some good points. Your last point is in danger of invalidating the rest though...

Tbh nationalist leadership isn't good. I wouldn't be a fan of SF and IMO Colum Eastwood is a very poor leader so I don't know who you expect to come out and credit the southern politicians.

"free staters" is not a common term from anyone I know and I doubt it is across the board. I wouldn't take one person on a messageboard as an illustration that it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on March 30, 2021, 05:13:04 PM
Hate the term "Free State" "Nordies" and "Gah"

In fairness I tend to reply with "Free State" whenever I'm referred to as a Nordie.

Or "horrible Tyrone bastard" when someone calls it Londonderry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 04:31:58 PM
Sam, the new all Ireland State has to make arrangements for the 6 Cos and for those who choose British nationality there.
Sensible folks like you, civic unionism and the middle ground are well capable of devising such arrangements.

I'm not very well informed on Belgium's governance* but they (and the Swiss to a point) seem to be able to make arrangements for differing groups within the 1 sovereign State.
Might be a starting point.

* must look it up some time.

Exactly, not insurmountable, and all people on this island need to envisage new arrangements. What I would appreciate however is a recognition that the status quo in the North is as unacceptable as a New Ireland which doesn't respect the British. I knew a southerner living in the North who was embarrassed by the attitude of some in the South to the North and vice versa, he used to say "partition has worked"
In dividing the Irish against each other. Ironically Lar naparka and others are rightly advocating patience and respect now in dealing with unionism ,  when in reality patience snd respect at the time of the treaty , holding out for a better deal , financed by the British could have seen a United ireland years ago. Any new deal would have to be bankrolled by the British given that they created the problem , and will be glad to offload the North even if they have to finance it for a few more years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 06:32:18 PM
The current status quo in the North is what the vast majority of us voted for in 1998 :-\.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 30, 2021, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 06:32:18 PM
The current status quo in the North is what the vast majority of us voted for in 1998 :-\.
Yes, and we all were prepared to sacrifice things to give it a chance, hoping for progression, but after 20 years DUP remained ungenerous , unneighbourly , anti Irish and unscientific . The status quo is unworkable .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2021, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Can you point out anywhere you disagree with me? I Didn't attempt  to do anything other than present the reason  why  many in the republic are confused and irritated by the continuous jibes being directed at us from people we feel have very short and selective memories.

You make some good points. Your last point is in danger of invalidating the rest though...

Tbh nationalist leadership isn't good. I wouldn't be a fan of SF and IMO Colum Eastwood is a very poor leader so I don't know who you expect to come out and credit the southern politicians.

"free staters" is not a common term from anyone I know and I doubt it is across the board. I wouldn't take one person on a messageboard as an illustration that it is.
I thought I had emphasised the point that only a very small minority of Nationalists are offensive to most southerners.I have said It would be less than 5%. ( As a matter of fact, I believe I put the figure at about 2%.) Now, bear in mind that Ross, Itchy and other southerners involved here re not typical southerners. I'm referring to a general interest in northern affairs.
Those lads care enough about the state of affairs in the north to be able to separate the begrudgers from the ordinary, decent Nationalists who have to cope with an extremely difficult environment.
The vast majority of the general public in the south would be inclined to react likes Rossfan's neighbour who turned the radio off as he was fed up of hearing non-stop about endless problems in the north.
THat's unfair to the 95% polus who deserve all the sympathy they can get.
BUt IU was trying to explain to sam whey there may be a bit oof antagonism in the south when troubles in the north make the news once more.
Bear in mind that this is a quirk of human nature. Everybody on all sides get tared with the same brush.
So, by way of example, if Gregory Campbell appears on tv and comes out with his usual bundle of lies, damn lies  and half truths, and all delivered with his usual smugness, he will annoy most southerners.
Now, if, say, Michelle O'Neill comes on to counter Gregory's claims, she'll get the same reaction from a southern audience. Damn the pair of them would be the likeliest response.
That is why I think the majority of Nationalists should not leave all the running to the mouthy minority. The perception is that all Nationalists think the same.
I accept that the huge majority of the Nationalist community do not stoop to terms like Free Staters." But we don't hear as much from the silent majority as we do from the aggro merchants.Only a few southerners will take the time to spot the difference.
At most, I'd say there are only three troublemakers currently active on the board but there have been quite a few others over recent years. But I have heard plenty of it outside of the board. I can think of times I went into the north for league games where Mayo had been playing and whenever I was sporting the green and red I was sure I'd get plenty of snide remarks about Mayo and the f**king Free State!
Incidentally, Free Stater is only one of a number of stock insults There are others far more eoffensive.

BTW: Itchy, Bertie Ahern told me the bombings were carrieds out by  loyalist paramilitaries with the help of M15.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 31, 2021, 07:33:41 AM
The world and politics in general doesn't have as many, in fact barely any, moderates these days though. It's not exclusive to nationalism. I would agree it's a middle ground is needed though.

I was discussing this stuff once with someone and their view was that a United ireland now can happen however he doesn't see SF can deliver it but they are too arrogant to see it. Tbh I would tend to agree. You only have to read the threads on here to see the reaction they provoke. If only there was a John Hume or the like in the sdlp :(

I have also been at matches in the south where stuff has been said so it works both ways. There are quite a few "we" can get up here too. West Brit probably the worst. It works both ways.

P.s. I am sure Bertie appreciates you sharing that info...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on March 31, 2021, 08:23:26 AM
Why would he not share that info if that's what Bertie told him? Did the Secrets police tell him not to?
There have been several documentaries on this and the conclusions were always that it was loyalist with British collusion.
Dogs in the street know that.
The shame is that consecutive ff and Fg governments didn't want to know when it came to finding out who was behind it. Head down, nothing to see here, hopefully it will just go away as time passes. More important to maintain the cozy cartel between Fitzgerald/ thatcher, Bruton/major etc etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on March 31, 2021, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Can you point out anywhere you disagree with me? I Didn't attempt  to do anything other than present the reason  why  many in the republic are confused and irritated by the continuous jibes being directed at us from people we feel have very short and selective memories.
Some but not all yet you include me with the likes of Angelo!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 31, 2021, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 30, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Sam you seem to have an obsession with "suck it up" ???
Is that your perception of " get on with life" while not letting bigots have their way.
Silver Hill's post is such a positive statement of how things are now and how things are heading for the Catholic/Nationalist Community in the 6 Cos.
Leave the negativity to DUPUDA and other backward looking extremists.
Definitely no offence meant here Sam but I think all shades of Nationalism in the north appear to have very short term and selective memories.
Who was responsible for initiating  discussions that lead to the GFA?
It all began when the then Taoiseach, Albert Reynolds,  succeeded in persuading Gerry Adams to sit down and talk- in secret I may add. The negotiations were slow and tortuous and it wasn't until Bertie Ahern became Taoiseach that Unionist spokesmen were persuaded/coerced to enter discussions.
Bertie played on his friendship with Tony Blair to  get him onside and he brought Unionists of all shades into the negotiations.
What about Bill Clinton? Who persuaded him to lend his support to the ongoing peace process and,no, it wasn't Sinn Fein!
Two Catholic priests and a Protestant clergymen were appointed as go-betweens - they didn't just pop out of the blue.  Other countries weighed in to assure the Prods that they'd act as guarantors that terms agreed at the talks would be honoured and a Canadian, John de Chastelain, was appointed to the chair. Canada didn't develop a benevolent interest in NI affairs overnight.

Finally, things got to the stage after thousand of hours of to-ing and fro-ing that Bertie Ahern won the confidence of Ian Paisley and knelt in prayer with him.
Paisley shook his hand and said he was a man of his word and so he proved to be.
You'd have no parity of esteem or a road map to unification without the orchestration of the Republic and that is simply undeniable.
I have yet to hear a Nationalist spokesperson acknowledge that fact.
On the other had, I see no great effort for moderate Nationalism to distance itself from the Free State jibers. Yet you resent the fact that southerners take an antagonistic  view of the Nationalist community.
How could it be otherwise when all we hear is coming from the likes of Angelo?
Very sweeping insulting take on northern nationalism...
Can you point out anywhere you disagree with me? I Didn't attempt  to do anything other than present the reason  why  many in the republic are confused and irritated by the continuous jibes being directed at us from people we feel have very short and selective memories.
Some but not all yet you include me with the likes of Angelo!
What!!
If that is how it came across, it was not intended
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.

Couldn't give 2 fucks about ye to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.

Couldn't give 2 fucks about ye to be honest.

And yet you feel the need to ponitificate.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.

Couldn't give 2 fucks about ye to be honest.

And yet you feel the need to ponitificate.

Interesting.

Not at all, just telling you how it is.

You are dripping in self pity and neediness. As this is the Joe Brolly thread, I'd agree with him on one thing - the UK won't want yous and good chance the south won't either. Why don't you grow a pair and stand on your own two feet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.

Couldn't give 2 fucks about ye to be honest.

And yet you feel the need to ponitificate.

Interesting.

Not at all, just telling you how it is.

You are dripping in self pity and neediness. As this is the Joe Brolly thread, I'd agree with him on one thing - the UK won't want yous and good chance the south won't either. Why don't you grow a pair and stand on your own two feet?

We'll have a United Ireland.

You'll just have to deal with a new Ireland eroded of the sectarian policies foisted on the north and stripped of the corrupt and self-serving grips of power by FFG.

I know you don't like that prospect but it's coming.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on March 31, 2021, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Louther on March 31, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
So not one of the free staters (bar Itchy) has had the gumption to say that the Free State have a lot of shame on their hands with regards the Troubles and how they were willing to do nothing in full knowledge of what northern nationalists were enduring and suffering?

That tells you an awful lot about the mentality down south. 50 years on and still won't acknowledge that fact or apologise for it. Is the same outlook there for victims of child abuse that the state turned a blind eye to as well? No shame at all? Northern nationalists just had to take their medicine in that regard.

Couldn't give 2 fucks about ye to be honest.

And yet you feel the need to ponitificate.

Interesting.

Not at all, just telling you how it is.

You are dripping in self pity and neediness. As this is the Joe Brolly thread, I'd agree with him on one thing - the UK won't want yous and good chance the south won't either. Why don't you grow a pair and stand on your own two feet?

We'll have a United Ireland.

You'll just have to deal with a new Ireland eroded of the sectarian policies foisted on the north and stripped of the corrupt and self-serving grips of power by FFG.

I know you don't like that prospect but it's coming.

Not in our lifetimes, that's the reality and you know it.

Don't think you actually want it either as you be happier have someone else to blame and point fingers at. God forbid you'd nothing to be bitter and twisted about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2021, 07:33:41 AM
The world and politics in general doesn't have as many, in fact barely any, moderates these days though. It's not exclusive to nationalism. I would agree it's a middle ground is needed though.

I was discussing this stuff once with someone and their view was that a United ireland now can happen however he doesn't see SF can deliver it but they are too arrogant to see it. Tbh I would tend to agree. You only have to read the threads on here to see the reaction they provoke. If only there was a John Hume or the like in the sdlp :(

I have also been at matches in the south where stuff has been said so it works both ways. There are quite a few "we" can get up here too. West Brit probably the worst. It works both ways.

P.s. I am sure Bertie appreciates you sharing that info...

I was responding to Sam and the topic was the degree of antagonism that sourthers seem to have for northern nationalists in general.
I was pointing out the the tiny minority who hurl insults on an ongoing basis at all and everything in the south get the majority a bad name.
On this matter, I feel uncomfortable discussiing this particular subject as I feel there is one particular poster who is active on this thread and he seems to have serious anger management issues. I have no desire to provoke him any further.
That's just my honest opinion but I'll leave it at that.
With regard to what Bertie said to me, this was no big deal. He was the first I heard say it but certainly not the last. The news had just broken and there were about ten others in that conversation when the bombings were brought up.
Everyone was more interested in downing pints that in current affairs at that stage of the night!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 31, 2021, 03:06:25 PM
Yeah that is fair enough. "We" are not all like that ;D

It's not very easy actually having a discussion in this place these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2021, 03:06:25 PM
Yeah that is fair enough. "We" are not all like that ;D

It's not very easy actually having a discussion in this place these days.
Would agree lads, great to get insight into where others are coming from, and bounce ideas off each other, but not interested in anger or antagonism
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 04:11:12 PM
I am enjoying this discussion thoroughly now that nuances of interpretation have ben resolved. ;D
It's the first sensible, honest to goodness chat I have participated in for a while and I think I have a clearer understanding of what Northern posters, in general anyway, think of the south.
I would say there is less between us than I had thought when I joined in.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.

I'm northern and I'm a republican, and I find it derogatory , and what's more I'd be confident that all SF politicians find it derogatory as well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 31, 2021, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.

I'm northern and I'm a republican, and I find it derogatory , and what's more I'd be confident that all SF politicians find it derogatory as well

I find it derogatory too, a republican from the unoccupied 3.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
We all do "down here".
For the record the Irish Free State passed away 31/12/1937.

I was in an Irish Centre in England some years ago (2014 maybe) to watch a Tyrone/Mayowestros game.
A crowd early 20s bucks from the North came to watch it and it was non stop "Free State bastards" throughout the game, which they thought was hilarious.
Must have been all Angela's relations  ;D

I'm not saying they're representative but jases they were most annoying.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on March 31, 2021, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

I've been away a while, but I heard "free state bastards" or the like thrown around plenty of times following Donegal around Ulster over the years, up into the early 00s.

Usually one or two loudmouth wankers, but it was definitely out there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on March 31, 2021, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
We all do "down here".
For the record the Irish Free State passed away 31/12/1937.

I was in an Irish Centre in England some years ago (2014 maybe) to watch a Tyrone/Mayowestros game.
A crowd early 20s bucks from the North came to watch it and it was non stop "Free State bastards" throughout the game, which they thought was hilarious.
Must have been all Angela's relations  ;D

I'm not saying they're representative but jases they were most annoying.

Easy explanation there Rossfan; Tyrone. Nothing more to be said.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 31, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
I do recall on one of the occasions we handed Fermanagh a bearing and I'm talking 1990s or 2000s, few eejits had some freestate bastards song. Never heard it said since.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.

I'm northern and I'm a republican, and I find it derogatory , and what's more I'd be confident that all SF politicians find it derogatory as well

Why do you find it derogatory?

As a Republican I find them claiming a partitioned part of Ireland as the Republic of Ireland insulting. It's the free state, that is what it should be known as while part of this island is still occupied and governed by a foreign power.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on March 31, 2021, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
We all do "down here".
For the record the Irish Free State passed away 31/12/1937.

I was in an Irish Centre in England some years ago (2014 maybe) to watch a Tyrone/Mayowestros game.
A crowd early 20s bucks from the North came to watch it and it was non stop "Free State bastards" throughout the game, which they thought was hilarious.
Must have been all Angela's relations  ;D

I'm not saying they're representative but jases they were most annoying.

Easy explanation there Rossfan; Tyrone. Nothing more to be said.

The Derry obsession with Tyrone.

A bit like how unionists model themselves as Super Brits on how much they hate catholics. The Derry lads now try to compete as to who can hate Tyrone the most.

A pitiful culture that has brought them to Div 4 in football. Playing in empty stadiums during Covid must feel like nothing has changed for Derry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
This little anecdote may seem to be rambling off-topic but it might serve to emphasise a point I, and others, have been making. The antics of a few can get a whole load of totally innocent people a bad name.
Years ago, the Swinford Pioneers Association organised an excursion to the beach in Bundoran.  This was at the height of summer so there was no spare seats on either of the two buses. A good number of those travelling were honest pioneers with their lapel pins and I'd say just about all were genuine non-drinkers.
You couldn't get a more respectable group of people anywhere. However, a few hard chaws decided to buy tickets and claimed they had no interest in the demon drink. The organisers thought no more of it; they sold all available seats and everyone was in good spirits all the way to Bundoran beach.
It was a very hot day and the usual suspects son grew tired of sitting around eating limp sandwiches and drinking lukewarm coca-cola.
So a few slipped off to the nearest pub and started to lorry into the black stuff.The inevitable happened and soon they were mixing it with a gang from somewhere else who were on the beer too.
A few thumps were exchanged and a few drinks were knocked over and in the end the guards arrived to sort things out.
Of course, the story didn't end there.
Word got back to Mayo that a full-scale brawl had taken place and it took a dozen guards to restore the peace.
The poor Pioneers were blamed for the trouble and bringing shame on the good name of the county. Hard to believe but the Pioneer numbers in the town dropped off and there was never another coach outing in the years that followed.
It's human nature to tar the many with the actions of a minority- much the same as we are discussing here.
I don't imagine the name-callers will derail the peace process  but they have the capacity to gain their fellow nationalists a bad name.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on March 31, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
Cool story Lar
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.

I'm northern and I'm a republican, and I find it derogatory , and what's more I'd be confident that all SF politicians find it derogatory as well

Why do you find it derogatory?

As a Republican I find them claiming a partitioned part of Ireland as the Republic of Ireland insulting. It's the free state, that is what it should be known as while part of this island is still occupied and governed by a foreign power.

I hope I've always treated you with respect Angelo, and hopefully you'll afford me the same. I've called out people from the South whenever they've unfairly attacked us northerners , but everyone's a product of their environment and influences. We've seen on this thread how some southerners have taken on board our concerns and hopefully better understand our psyche . Most of them want a United ireland and regret  the implications of the treaty as much as any of us. You're effectively blaming people for something for which they bear no responsibility, Using a term which clearly generalises and insults .
I find it offensive .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 31, 2021, 07:11:07 PM
Cool story Lar

Great story , with a great message
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.

I'm northern and I'm a republican, and I find it derogatory , and what's more I'd be confident that all SF politicians find it derogatory as well

Why do you find it derogatory?

As a Republican I find them claiming a partitioned part of Ireland as the Republic of Ireland insulting. It's the free state, that is what it should be known as while part of this island is still occupied and governed by a foreign power.

I hope I've always treated you with respect Angelo, and hopefully you'll afford me the same. I've called out people from the South whenever they've unfairly attacked us northerners , but everyone's a product of their environment and influences. We've seen on this thread how some southerners have taken on board our concerns and hopefully better understand our psyche . Most of them want a United ireland and regret  the implications of the treaty as much as any of us. You're effectively blaming people for something for which they bear no responsibility, Using a term which clearly generalises and insults .
I find it offensive .

Can you point out what southerners have taken home our concerns?

Bar Itchy I can't really see it.

Where's the contrition and acknowledgement that the Free State failed us?

It's grand they attest to wanting a United Ireland but the constant references of us needing to work with the "DUP/UUP" just shows the ignorance to the situation.

This is the type of nonsense nationalists have to deal with:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/staff-made-uncomfortable-over-fermanagh-gaa-progress-mla-hits-out-at-latent-intimidation-37041596.html

I haven't seem much effort at acknowledgement and contrition for the inaction and lack of empathy for northern nationalists. I've seen plenty of victim blaming, I've seen plenty of the "both sides as bad as each other commentary", the "but the IRA" excuses, but no one saying yes it was unforgivable the southern state did not do more for northern nationalists during the troubles. They're quick to judge on a conflict they clearly know little about.

I'll put it this way, if your neighbour was walking home one evening and saw you take a ferocious beating from a gang of thugs and you were prone on the ground as you saw him watching it and then running away. You come out of the hospital a few months later with some long lasting trauma and physical impacts. That neighbour who did nothing and who ran away rather than trying to intervene himself, no mattter what the risk never mentions that incident to you again, both of you know what happened but he never acknowledges, he never tells you that he regrets doing nothing - I think the value you would hold that person in as a human being would be very low and then he lectures for sticking up for yourself the next time. For me that's how I view The Free State and anybody who tries to rewrite the history or inaction or disregard shown by the Free State to the north is showing utter contempt to northern natioanlists.

That's plain and simple for me.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2021, 09:06:06 PM
Plain and simple.... Jesus Christ!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2021, 09:06:06 PM
Plain and simple.... Jesus Christ!!!

What another great Mildred contribution.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2021, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2021, 09:06:06 PM
Plain and simple.... Jesus Christ!!!

What another great Mildred contribution.

I'm struggling with whether or not you believe half the shite that you spew out your gob
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
This little anecdote may seem to be rambling off-topic but it might serve to emphasise a point I, and others, have been making. The antics of a few can get a whole load of totally innocent people a bad name.
Years ago, the Swinford Pioneers Association organised an excursion to the beach in Bundoran.  This was at the height of summer so there was no spare seats on either of the two buses. A good number of those travelling were honest pioneers with their lapel pins and I'd say just about all were genuine non-drinkers.
You couldn't get a more respectable group of people anywhere. However, a few hard chaws decided to buy tickets and claimed they had no interest in the demon drink. The organisers thought no more of it; they sold all available seats and everyone was in good spirits all the way to Bundoran beach.
It was a very hot day and the usual suspects son grew tired of sitting around eating limp sandwiches and drinking lukewarm coca-cola.
So a few slipped off to the nearest pub and started to lorry into the black stuff.The inevitable happened and soon they were mixing it with a gang from somewhere else who were on the beer too.
A few thumps were exchanged and a few drinks were knocked over and in the end the guards arrived to sort things out.
Of course, the story didn't end there.
Word got back to Mayo that a full-scale brawl had taken place and it took a dozen guards to restore the peace.
The poor Pioneers were blamed for the trouble and bringing shame on the good name of the county. Hard to believe but the Pioneer numbers in the town dropped off and there was never another coach outing in the years that followed.
It's human nature to tar the many with the actions of a minority- much the same as we are discussing here.
I don't imagine the name-callers will derail the peace process  but they have the capacity to gain their fellow nationalists a bad name.
Good story. You should give Rossfan some tips, his stories seem rather pointless and fabricated.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on April 01, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
This little anecdote may seem to be rambling off-topic but it might serve to emphasise a point I, and others, have been making. The antics of a few can get a whole load of totally innocent people a bad name.
Years ago, the Swinford Pioneers Association organised an excursion to the beach in Bundoran.  This was at the height of summer so there was no spare seats on either of the two buses. A good number of those travelling were honest pioneers with their lapel pins and I'd say just about all were genuine non-drinkers.
You couldn't get a more respectable group of people anywhere. However, a few hard chaws decided to buy tickets and claimed they had no interest in the demon drink. The organisers thought no more of it; they sold all available seats and everyone was in good spirits all the way to Bundoran beach.
It was a very hot day and the usual suspects son grew tired of sitting around eating limp sandwiches and drinking lukewarm coca-cola.
So a few slipped off to the nearest pub and started to lorry into the black stuff.The inevitable happened and soon they were mixing it with a gang from somewhere else who were on the beer too.
A few thumps were exchanged and a few drinks were knocked over and in the end the guards arrived to sort things out.
Of course, the story didn't end there.
Word got back to Mayo that a full-scale brawl had taken place and it took a dozen guards to restore the peace.
The poor Pioneers were blamed for the trouble and bringing shame on the good name of the county. Hard to believe but the Pioneer numbers in the town dropped off and there was never another coach outing in the years that followed.
It's human nature to tar the many with the actions of a minority- much the same as we are discussing here.
I don't imagine the name-callers will derail the peace process  but they have the capacity to gain their fellow nationalists a bad name.
Good story. You should give Rossfan some tips, his stories seem rather pointless and fabricated.

I'm still trying to get my head round why you would swap a lovely little spot like Swinford to spend the day in Bundoran of all places. Are there no decent beaches in Mayo?  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: red hander on April 01, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 31, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
This little anecdote may seem to be rambling off-topic but it might serve to emphasise a point I, and others, have been making. The antics of a few can get a whole load of totally innocent people a bad name.
Years ago, the Swinford Pioneers Association organised an excursion to the beach in Bundoran.  This was at the height of summer so there was no spare seats on either of the two buses. A good number of those travelling were honest pioneers with their lapel pins and I'd say just about all were genuine non-drinkers.
You couldn't get a more respectable group of people anywhere. However, a few hard chaws decided to buy tickets and claimed they had no interest in the demon drink. The organisers thought no more of it; they sold all available seats and everyone was in good spirits all the way to Bundoran beach.
It was a very hot day and the usual suspects son grew tired of sitting around eating limp sandwiches and drinking lukewarm coca-cola.
So a few slipped off to the nearest pub and started to lorry into the black stuff.The inevitable happened and soon they were mixing it with a gang from somewhere else who were on the beer too.
A few thumps were exchanged and a few drinks were knocked over and in the end the guards arrived to sort things out.
Of course, the story didn't end there.
Word got back to Mayo that a full-scale brawl had taken place and it took a dozen guards to restore the peace.
The poor Pioneers were blamed for the trouble and bringing shame on the good name of the county. Hard to believe but the Pioneer numbers in the town dropped off and there was never another coach outing in the years that followed.
It's human nature to tar the many with the actions of a minority- much the same as we are discussing here.
I don't imagine the name-callers will derail the peace process  but they have the capacity to gain their fellow nationalists a bad name.
Good story. You should give Rossfan some tips, his stories seem rather pointless and fabricated.

I'm still trying to get my head round why you would swap a lovely little spot like Swinford to spend the day in Bundoran of all places. Are there no decent beaches in Mayo?  :P
The novelty of going to somewhere none of them knew anything about was the attraction. Four hours of a sing song was okay for the older people but it meant a good session of fondling and groping for the young fellas and young wans with no mother or father about.
Besides,, Bundorn was the in place to be in those days- people from all over the country went there. It was tacky even then but there were no  shooting ranges or dodgem cars in any resort in Mayo.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.
It is derogatory because people in the south find it insulting, your argument is like saying the term ni@@er is not derogatory particularly if you from Alabama. People have told you it is insulting to them yet you persist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.
It is derogatory because people in the south find it insulting, your argument is like saying the term ni@@er is not derogatory particularly if you from Alabama. People have told you it is insulting to them yet you persist.

Why do they find it insulting?

Because they have an uneasy relationship with the fact that their state abandoned northern natioanlists and their media and gov officials they elect are happy to rewrite history and treat northern nationalists with contempt?

That's a ridiculous comparison. Northerners nationalists and free staters are from the same ethnicity. The difference is there was a betrayal by the southerners that resulted in 100 years of northern nationalists being subjected to sectarian violence, discrimination and intimidation.

Have the southern state every acknowledged that they should have done something? No. Have they ever apologised for the betrayal and inaction? No. Instead they have fanned the flames, sought to rewrite history, regularly demean and admonish northern nationalists as being architects of the violence that came against them and continue to do so? They pontificate and moralise northern nationalists of a conflict they neither understand or seek to understand.

Northern nationalists deserve a state apology from the Free State for their cowardice over the last 100 years. Northern nationalists deserve a state apology for the contempt they have been treated with by govt officials, state broadcasters and mainstream media. We deserve acknowledgment that we were failed.

You're the one sticking up for the Free State here, when have they ever acknowledged their role in the Troubles. Their role in paving the way for the PIRA they like to denigrate ad nauseum?

It's about time Free Staters faced up to its rotten past and revisionism.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.
It is derogatory because people in the south find it insulting, your argument is like saying the term ni@@er is not derogatory particularly if you from Alabama. People have told you it is insulting to them yet you persist.

Why do they find it insulting?

Because they have an uneasy relationship with the fact that their state abandoned northern natioanlists and their media and gov officials they elect are happy to rewrite history and treat northern nationalists with contempt?

That's a ridiculous comparison. Northerners nationalists and free staters are from the same ethnicity. The difference is there was a betrayal by the southerners that resulted in 100 years of northern nationalists being subjected to sectarian violence, discrimination and intimidation.

Have the southern state every acknowledged that they should have done something? No. Have they ever apologised for the betrayal and inaction? No. Instead they have fanned the flames, sought to rewrite history, regularly demean and admonish northern nationalists as being architects of the violence that came against them and continue to do so? They pontificate and moralise northern nationalists of a conflict they neither understand or seek to understand.

Northern nationalists deserve a state apology from the Free State for their cowardice over the last 100 years. Northern nationalists deserve a state apology for the contempt they have been treated with by govt officials, state broadcasters and mainstream media. We deserve acknowledgment that we were failed.

You're the one sticking up for the Free State here, when have they ever acknowledged their role in the Troubles. Their role in paving the way for the PIRA they like to denigrate ad nauseum?

It's about time Free Staters faced up to its rotten past and revisionism.
It doesn't matter why they find it insulting they do and if you want to convince people of your argument you have to get them to listen. Insulting them means they focus on the insult and not the debate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on March 31, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

I've never heard it from either side at football matches but have heard a few anecdotes both ways.
I heard The term "freestate" used by farmers back in the day, as a descriptive term based on a lack of knowledge , annoying but not antagonistic. More recently I've heard it used occasionally, and it's always being used antagonistically , it's offensive , and makes no sense to me for  a republican to think that using derogatory terms about the majority of people on this island is going to further their cause .

How is it dergogatory?

It's factual, particularly if you're a republican.
It is derogatory because people in the south find it insulting, your argument is like saying the term ni@@er is not derogatory particularly if you from Alabama. People have told you it is insulting to them yet you persist.

Why do they find it insulting?

Because they have an uneasy relationship with the fact that their state abandoned northern natioanlists and their media and gov officials they elect are happy to rewrite history and treat northern nationalists with contempt?

That's a ridiculous comparison. Northerners nationalists and free staters are from the same ethnicity. The difference is there was a betrayal by the southerners that resulted in 100 years of northern nationalists being subjected to sectarian violence, discrimination and intimidation.

Have the southern state every acknowledged that they should have done something? No. Have they ever apologised for the betrayal and inaction? No. Instead they have fanned the flames, sought to rewrite history, regularly demean and admonish northern nationalists as being architects of the violence that came against them and continue to do so? They pontificate and moralise northern nationalists of a conflict they neither understand or seek to understand.

Northern nationalists deserve a state apology from the Free State for their cowardice over the last 100 years. Northern nationalists deserve a state apology for the contempt they have been treated with by govt officials, state broadcasters and mainstream media. We deserve acknowledgment that we were failed.

You're the one sticking up for the Free State here, when have they ever acknowledged their role in the Troubles. Their role in paving the way for the PIRA they like to denigrate ad nauseum?

It's about time Free Staters faced up to its rotten past and revisionism.
It doesn't matter why they find it insulting they do and if you want to convince people of your argument you have to get them to listen. Insulting them means they focus on the insult and not the debate.

It does matter. If they don't like uncomfortable truths then that's their problem.

Free Staters should not be immune from doing some soul searching.

I don't think the past will decide this vote, I think the future will and I think there is a realisation in the younger generation that unionism and FFG have used their power and influence to create an elite in society which impacts this generation.

SF are now the largest party in the u50 voting base on both sides of the border and with every year the demographs shift more and more that way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
True blue....the 2 events I described most certainly DID happen.
Just because I can't write as eloquently as (iar mhúinteóir?) Larnaparka.....
Strandhill was our seaside mecca but a visiting aunt or uncle might spoil us altogether by taking us to exotic Rosses Point.
Bundoran was out of bounds as "too many oul rough Northerners" went there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 11:37:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
True blue....the 2 events I described most certainly DID happen.
Just because I can't write as eloquently as (iar mhúinteóir?) Larnaparka.....
Strandhill was our seaside mecca but a visiting aunt or uncle might spoil us altogether by taking us to exotic Rosses Point.
Bundoran was out of bounds as "too many oul rough Northerners" went there.

Course it did. And I'm sure you never heard a offending word spoken from the Southerners. T'was all them'uns.

Pardon me if I find you lacking creditability.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
True blue....the 2 events I described most certainly DID happen.
Just because I can't write as eloquently as (iar mhúinteóir?) Larnaparka.....
Strandhill was our seaside mecca but a visiting aunt or uncle might spoil us altogether by taking us to exotic Rosses Point.
Bundoran was out of bounds as "too many oul rough Northerners" went there.
I'm surprised that anyone would think that your 'scéals' are contrived. I certainly met plenty like our neighbour who were absolutely fed up with the endless negative publicity coming from the north and couldn't, or wouldn't, make an effort to distinguish between Nationalists or Unionists. Damn the whole goddamn loot of them-endless troublemakers...never satisfied with anything etc.
I've been in Edgbaston  in Brum and Cheetham Hill in Manchester so I knoow about the drunken rows that went on in those Irish Centres.
Nothing out of the ordinry with what you mentioned seeing in an Irish centre.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on April 01, 2021, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

Someone disagree with you? Oh dear, you forgot to call him an extremist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:18:24 PM
Not a difference of opinion.

A buck who wasn't there telling me I didn't see and hear what I saw and heard.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

From most other posters I'd have taken it as face value. From you, with your history of anti-northern posts and cheap post scoring, I'd take it with a strong pinch of salt.

Lar, I have no doubt there were people who thought that way. There's always lazy people who will jump to a viewpoint that suits their narrative. You have it on here, where you have posters (from both sides I should add) that were attempting to use posts from some anonymous posters who's on the wind up as the reason they'd vote against a UI. When in reality these people are just embarrassed to admit that the real reason is because they think "I'm alright Jack".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 01, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
As a northerner I can't even remember the last time I heard someone use the term 'free stater' in a conversation. I do remember as a child hearing the older generation sometimes using the term but certainly not in recent times. I think it is deliberately being used here to try and wind up other posters but whatever floats your boat I suppose.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 01, 2021, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
As a northerner I can't even remember the last time I heard someone use the term 'free stater' in a conversation. I do remember as a child hearing the older generation sometimes using the term but certainly not in recent times. I think it is deliberately being used here to try and wind up other posters but whatever floats your boat I suppose.   

Maybe not free stater, but free state used everyday here in Derry, we are more or less in republic, we love;

Free state chocolate
free state sausages
free state bread and milk=

curse free state drivers and the free state govt and quiet frequently call our loving neighbours(quite often relatives) free state bast*rds. They call us worse lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: grounded on April 01, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

The older generation here in South Down would have referred to it as the freestate, but never in a derogatory way. I can't for the life of me recall someone being referred to as a freestater.
       It would have been said ' he/she is from away down the country' or his/her individual county or the South.

Edit.  I must add though that the Newry ones quite often referred to southerners as ' Mexicans' i suppose in a somewhat derogatory fashion. But then the nucks had their own way of going on.
       
     
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 01:27:13 PM
It is the Free State.

That's a simple fact freestaters need to acknowledge.

Partition unfortunately was a reality and maybe the fact that freestaters are insulted at that term is due to their own shame at not doing more. Come ahead and acknowledge and apologise for your sins.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: grounded on April 01, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 31, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
I dont know anyone in the north who refers to the residents in the south as freestaters. Ive been to hundreds of county games as well and never had any trouble at gaa matches north or south either.

The older generation here in South Down would have referred to it as the freestate, but never in a derogatory way. I can't for the life of me recall someone being referred to as a freestater.
       It would have been said ' he/she is from away down the country' or his/her individual county or the South.

Edit.  I must add though that the Newry ones quite often referred to southerners as ' Mexicans' i suppose in a somewhat derogatory fashion. But then the nucks had their own way of going on.
       
     
Bizaarely the Mexican thing springs from the on the runs in Dundalk in the '70's, which was called El Paso due to the lawless nature of some of those from up here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
Always known as bandit country, the border areas around that part of the island where always known as that.

I must admit free state was said a lot, I'll have used it in the past here when certain posters were at their lark, black north I'd have heard growing up and at many a game growing up watching in the south or playing you'd have heard the very odd "f**king brits" but very rare.

Partition for me will always be a place in that basically two parts of the one country went their separate ways, a bit like a divorce where one did the dirt and the other was left picking up the pieces.

I didn't grow up thinking I lived in another country but felt a bit miffed at the life we had in comparison to someone living in Kerry, no searches, no bombs, no shootings, no killings, no curfews, no burning homes, no rioting, equality.... I could go on, so spare a thought for someone who's been through it, physically.

Angelo is a child of the peace, so never endured diddley squat!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on April 01, 2021, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
Always known as bandit country, the border areas around that part of the island where always known as that.

I must admit free state was said a lot, I'll have used it in the past here when certain posters were at their lark, black north I'd have heard growing up and at many a game growing up watching in the south or playing you'd have heard the very odd "f**king brits" but very rare.

Partition for me will always be a place in that basically two parts of the one country went their separate ways, a bit like a divorce where one did the dirt and the other was left picking up the pieces.

I didn't grow up thinking I lived in another country but felt a bit miffed at the life we had in comparison to someone living in Kerry, no searches, no bombs, no shootings, no killings, no curfews, no burning homes, no rioting, equality.... I could go on, so spare a thought for someone who's been through it, physically.

Angelo is a child of the peace, so never endured diddley squat!
My Grannie born in 1890 always called it the Freestate not in derogatory terms, it was of her generation. But given that many on here see it as an insult we northerners should avoid using it. Same goes for nordie, I will use it but don't like being called one by people from the 26.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on April 01, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
Yes, there is a distinction between referring to the 'free state' which I've heard often enough (although somewhat less in recent times) and actual 'free staters'. Calling someone a free stater is from a time gone by imo and if you interpret it literally, would tend to indicate that person was pro treaty after the independence war which was 100 years ago!! It's a one size fits all term and if you want to go down that route then instead label them a West Brit for their Unionist sympathies rather than lump everybody into the one box. It's like labelling Tyrone footballers sledgers or divers when in fact we know that they aren't all that way inclined!         
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
Yes, there is a distinction between referring to the 'free state' which I've heard often enough (although somewhat less in recent times) and actual 'free staters'. Calling someone a free stater is from a time gone by imo and if you interpret it literally, would tend to indicate that person was pro treaty after the independence war which was 100 years ago!! It's a one size fits all term and if you want to go down that route then instead label them a West Brit for their Unionist sympathies rather than lump everybody into the one box. It's like labelling Tyrone footballers sledgers or divers when in fact we know that they aren't all that way inclined!       

It's nothing of the sort and that's a bizarre analogy.

Partition is reality. I would refer to people who refuse to acknowledge and show contrition for how the Free State abandoned northern nationalists for a century as Free Staters. I would refer to the State itself as the Free State.

If people are insulted by that then the truth would seem to make them uncomfortable.

Plenty of other counties dive and sledge, certain posters go very quiet about it when that's the case.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 03:11:38 PM
I've never heard "free stater" mentioned in conversation. Similar to Fear, I would often have heard "free state" in the same terms, I.e. my dad used to travel to the "free state" for a fill of diesel or to do the "free state" lotto but never really a derogatory statement, in fact he would have talked fondly about the "free state".
I just don't get the idea that the term "freestater" is a common occurrence, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

From most other posters I'd have taken it as face value. From you, with your history of anti-northern posts and cheap post scoring, I'd take it with a strong pinch of salt.

Lar, I have no doubt there were people who thought that way. There's always lazy people who will jump to a viewpoint that suits their narrative. You have it on here, where you have posters (from both sides I should add) that were attempting to use posts from some anonymous posters who's on the wind up as the reason they'd vote against a UI. When in reality these people are just embarrassed to admit that the real reason is because they think "I'm alright Jack".
I would never claim that Ross is easy to follow or that he doesn't wiggle in and out of the twilight zone at times, but, in this instance anyway, you may have picked him up wrong. You probably  didn't read what had been under discussion when you hit on his post that you objected to.
He may put up insulting posts about northerners but then  I don't read everything he posts.
Sam had mentioned that southerners, by and large, seem to have an antagonistic view of northern nationalists and Ross chipped in to say that derogatory terms like 'Free Staters' is one reason.
That's where what I said about Bundoran comes in....
If a very small minority keep on jibing us, most will get irritated and will be inclined to regard all nationalists as provocative and insulting for no other obvious reason.
btw, I don't imagine anyone in the south would feel deeply insulted by what the likes of Angeo comes out with. it's more irritation than anything else. Like a housefly buzzing about the room.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 01, 2021, 04:01:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
Always known as bandit country, the border areas around that part of the island where always known as that.

I must admit free state was said a lot, I'll have used it in the past here when certain posters were at their lark, black north I'd have heard growing up and at many a game growing up watching in the south or playing you'd have heard the very odd "f**king brits" but very rare.

Partition for me will always be a place in that basically two parts of the one country went their separate ways, a bit like a divorce where one did the dirt and the other was left picking up the pieces.

I didn't grow up thinking I lived in another country but felt a bit miffed at the life we had in comparison to someone living in Kerry, no searches, no bombs, no shootings, no killings, no curfews, no burning homes, no rioting, equality.... I could go on, so spare a thought for someone who's been through it, physically.

Angelo is a child of the peace, so never endured diddley squat!

Its amazing how different life can be depending on where and in what circumstances you have to luck (or not) to be born.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on April 01, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 03:11:38 PM
I've never heard "free stater" mentioned in conversation. Similar to Fear, I would often have heard "free state" in the same terms, I.e. my dad used to travel to the "free state" for a fill of diesel or to do the "free state" lotto but never really a derogatory statement, in fact he would have talked fondly about the "free state".
I just don't get the idea that the term "freestater" is a common occurrence, but maybe I'm wrong.

It may not have been.

Very possibly just lads in groups, throwing abuse or trying to act the lad at football matches, similar to idiots who would have gone to Anfield or Old Trafford and chanted about Munich or Hillsborough or Heysel. Most of them probably wouldn't say boo to anyone in their regular lives, but in the laddish group setting...

I've been at Croke Park for Leinster games and heard Meath supporters singing about their preference, if the choice was required, that they be from Pakistan instead of Dublin. That was the 90s. One would hope you don't hear that shit anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

From most other posters I'd have taken it as face value. From you, with your history of anti-northern posts and cheap post scoring, I'd take it with a strong pinch of salt.

Lar, I have no doubt there were people who thought that way. There's always lazy people who will jump to a viewpoint that suits their narrative. You have it on here, where you have posters (from both sides I should add) that were attempting to use posts from some anonymous posters who's on the wind up as the reason they'd vote against a UI. When in reality these people are just embarrassed to admit that the real reason is because they think "I'm alright Jack".
I would never claim that Ross is easy to follow or that he doesn't wiggle in and out of the twilight zone at times, but, in this instance anyway, you may have picked him up wrong. You probably  didn't read what had been under discussion when you hit on his post that you objected to.
He may put up insulting posts about northerners but then  I don't read everything he posts.
Sam had mentioned that southerners, by and large, seem to have an antagonistic view of northern nationalists and Ross chipped in to say that derogatory terms like 'Free Staters' is one reason.
That's where what I said about Bundoran comes in....
If a very small minority keep on jibing us, most will get irritated and will be inclined to regard all nationalists as provocative and insulting for no other obvious reason.
btw, I don't imagine anyone in the south would feel deeply insulted by what the likes of Angeo comes out with. it's more irritation than anything else. Like a housefly buzzing about the room.
I was following the thread. I'll be honest, that reads a bit like your pushing the blame onto those pesky northerners again for why some Southern people have a antagonistic approach to people from the North. I've no doubt there will be a small minority that may use the term freestater" (I've never heard it used in 40 odd years) but it's also true that that theres people in the south that see themselves as more Irish than people in the North and just have that bred into them. And as such are antagonistic without cause or provocation.
Maybe that's not how you meant it to come across, but if you read the last few pages there's a definite theme of trying to equate the blame to the nordies for how people in the South act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 05:02:46 PM
How many pages on the Joe Brolly thread and no mention of the man himself?
He'll be so disappointed :-\
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

From most other posters I'd have taken it as face value. From you, with your history of anti-northern posts and cheap post scoring, I'd take it with a strong pinch of salt.

Lar, I have no doubt there were people who thought that way. There's always lazy people who will jump to a viewpoint that suits their narrative. You have it on here, where you have posters (from both sides I should add) that were attempting to use posts from some anonymous posters who's on the wind up as the reason they'd vote against a UI. When in reality these people are just embarrassed to admit that the real reason is because they think "I'm alright Jack".
I would never claim that Ross is easy to follow or that he doesn't wiggle in and out of the twilight zone at times, but, in this instance anyway, you may have picked him up wrong. You probably  didn't read what had been under discussion when you hit on his post that you objected to.
He may put up insulting posts about northerners but then  I don't read everything he posts.
Sam had mentioned that southerners, by and large, seem to have an antagonistic view of northern nationalists and Ross chipped in to say that derogatory terms like 'Free Staters' is one reason.
That's where what I said about Bundoran comes in....
If a very small minority keep on jibing us, most will get irritated and will be inclined to regard all nationalists as provocative and insulting for no other obvious reason.
btw, I don't imagine anyone in the south would feel deeply insulted by what the likes of Angeo comes out with. it's more irritation than anything else. Like a housefly buzzing about the room.
I was following the thread. I'll be honest, that reads a bit like your pushing the blame onto those pesky northerners again for why some Southern people have a antagonistic approach to people from the North. I've no doubt there will be a small minority that may use the term freestater" (I've never heard it used in 40 odd years) but it's also true that that theres people in the south that see themselves as more Irish than people in the North and just have that bred into them. And as such are antagonistic without cause or provocation.
Maybe that's not how you meant it to come across, but if you read the last few pages there's a definite theme of trying to equate the blame to the nordies for how people in the South act.
I think many northerners fail to realise that people south of the border have nowhere the same focus on politics or indeed any other issue that means so much to you.
For most, there's just a failure to comprehend the effect of living as second class citizens in Ireland - anywhere on the island.
So Arlene and the DUP nitpicking over the provisions of the Irish language legislation comes across as petty political but so does the typical SF response. I'd say that at least 95% of folks down here can't comprehend how much official recognition of the language means to most northerners.
That's just one of a series of examples I can think of. People down here have no idea of what life must have been like during the times of sectarian conflict. It ain't really that they are indifferent or hostile -it's that they don't comprehend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on April 01, 2021, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
We all do "down here".
For the record the Irish Free State passed away 31/12/1937.

I was in an Irish Centre in England some years ago (2014 maybe) to watch a Tyrone/Mayowestros game.
A crowd early 20s bucks from the North came to watch it and it was non stop "Free State bastards" throughout the game, which they thought was hilarious.
Must have been all Angela's relations  ;D

I'm not saying they're representative but jases they were most annoying.

Don't lump the rest of us in with them Tyrone bastids. They truly are on their own.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
You believe what you want Trueblue  or what suits your closed mind.
I just recounted what actually happened.
Over and out.

From most other posters I'd have taken it as face value. From you, with your history of anti-northern posts and cheap post scoring, I'd take it with a strong pinch of salt.

Lar, I have no doubt there were people who thought that way. There's always lazy people who will jump to a viewpoint that suits their narrative. You have it on here, where you have posters (from both sides I should add) that were attempting to use posts from some anonymous posters who's on the wind up as the reason they'd vote against a UI. When in reality these people are just embarrassed to admit that the real reason is because they think "I'm alright Jack".
I would never claim that Ross is easy to follow or that he doesn't wiggle in and out of the twilight zone at times, but, in this instance anyway, you may have picked him up wrong. You probably  didn't read what had been under discussion when you hit on his post that you objected to.
He may put up insulting posts about northerners but then  I don't read everything he posts.
Sam had mentioned that southerners, by and large, seem to have an antagonistic view of northern nationalists and Ross chipped in to say that derogatory terms like 'Free Staters' is one reason.
That's where what I said about Bundoran comes in....
If a very small minority keep on jibing us, most will get irritated and will be inclined to regard all nationalists as provocative and insulting for no other obvious reason.
btw, I don't imagine anyone in the south would feel deeply insulted by what the likes of Angeo comes out with. it's more irritation than anything else. Like a housefly buzzing about the room.
I was following the thread. I'll be honest, that reads a bit like your pushing the blame onto those pesky northerners again for why some Southern people have a antagonistic approach to people from the North. I've no doubt there will be a small minority that may use the term freestater" (I've never heard it used in 40 odd years) but it's also true that that theres people in the south that see themselves as more Irish than people in the North and just have that bred into them. And as such are antagonistic without cause or provocation.
Maybe that's not how you meant it to come across, but if you read the last few pages there's a definite theme of trying to equate the blame to the nordies for how people in the South act.
I think many northerners fail to realise that people south of the border have nowhere the same focus on politics or indeed any other issue that means so much to you.
For most, there's just a failure to comprehend the effect of living as second class citizens in Ireland - anywhere on the island.
So Arlene and the DUP nitpicking over the provisions of the Irish language legislation comes across as petty political but so does the typical SF response. I'd say that at least 95% of folks down here can't comprehend how much official recognition of the language means to most northerners.
That's just one of a series of examples I can think of. People down here have no idea of what life must have been like during the times of sectarian conflict. It ain't really that they are indifferent or hostile -it's that they don't comprehend.
I really don't want to labour the point as it's not really worth it. I just see that, as trying to justify some of the actions of the minority in the south in how they behave to people from the North. Sometimes there's no justification. Just the same as there's no justification for Anglo or others using "free state" in an antagonistic manner.  But it happens as there's idiots everywhere and tbh I don't pass that much remarks on them. Which is why I think it's crazy that there's people on this board who would value these people enough that their remarks actually impact their thought process. But people like RossFan would like to try and use the Anglos of the world to justify their very obvious distain for NI. I've no time for that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:25:20 PM
My obvious disdain for NI......
No doubt you'll be vigorously celebrating the Centenary :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on April 01, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 31, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on March 31, 2021, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
We all do "down here".
For the record the Irish Free State passed away 31/12/1937.

I was in an Irish Centre in England some years ago (2014 maybe) to watch a Tyrone/Mayowestros game.
A crowd early 20s bucks from the North came to watch it and it was non stop "Free State bastards" throughout the game, which they thought was hilarious.
Must have been all Angela's relations  ;D

I'm not saying they're representative but jases they were most annoying.

Easy explanation there Rossfan; Tyrone. Nothing more to be said.

The Derry obsession with Tyrone.

A bit like how unionists model themselves as Super Brits on how much they hate catholics. The Derry lads now try to compete as to who can hate Tyrone the most.

A pitiful culture that has brought them to Div 4 in football. Playing in empty stadiums during Covid must feel like nothing has changed for Derry.

;D Hardly an obsession. Simply pointing out the obvious and yet another anecdote about 'fans' from that county behaving in a loutish manner. No real surprise. Will you even admit that there is an underlying problem with Tyrone supporters at games? Take the blinkers off please.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:25:20 PM
My obvious disdain for NI......
No doubt you'll be vigorously celebrating the Centenary :o
NI, the north, whatever you want to call it.

Telling that's the bit you focused on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Ah go out for a walk or take a laxative.
Talk about conforming to another 6 Co stereotype.... the humour by pass
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Ah go out for a walk or take a laxative.
Talk about conforming to another 6 Co stereotype.... the humour by pass
The funniest thing about that post is that you think your was humorous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Ah go out for a walk or take a laxative.
Talk about conforming to another 6 Co stereotype.... the humour by pass
The funniest thing about that post is that you think your was humorous.

Rossfans fancies himself as a bit of a comedian but I don't see anyone else laughing.

A deluded individual.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 14, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
Jamie Bryson giving Brolly a big up on Twitter... he's made it!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on April 14, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
Jamie Bryson giving Brolly a big up on Twitter... he's made it!

And the two of them arranging a meet up for a chat and a beer. Joe telling Jamie he will follow him on Twitter. Hasn't got round to pressing 'follow' though ....... Joe winding ???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TheGreatest on June 04, 2021, 02:28:06 PM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/joe-brolly-issues-high-court-proceedings-against-rte-40502656.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 04, 2021, 05:19:30 PM
I'm presuming this relates to his recent appearance on the Claire Byrne show. Yes he was interrupted abruptly but this is extremely petty from Joe imo. Where exactly do you draw the line when it comes to these matters, he has gone down in my estimation for going down this route. 

I'm not a big fan of the litigation and insurance claims culture that pervades much of Irish society. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: caprea on June 04, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
A rampant egotist
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on June 04, 2021, 09:21:26 PM
Hopefully this a long drawn out process. Both Brolly and RTE deserve to be enemies of each other. It's a hatred made in heaven!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 04, 2021, 10:13:28 PM
Down south, u got the blinkers on to who the DUP really are. Everything Brolly was saying was correct.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 04, 2021, 10:18:10 PM
Brolly, behaving like the jilted lover. Read some of his columns since RTE got rid, and they are petty and childish. He's a sad little man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on June 04, 2021, 10:28:33 PM
He's an attention seeking p***k
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 04, 2021, 10:39:51 PM
When Joe slags off somebody like heart-throb Marty M or Big Sean he goes out of his way to mention that they are friends now, the slagged off one is suppose to be man enough acccept what passes for a Brolly apology and it's all water under the bridge, part opf life in the limelight. But when some slight happens to Joe the narcissist, it's how dare they do that to me me ME.   I hope Joe gets scorched.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 04, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
95% of that article is irrelevant to the topic at hand. He's box office, whether you're for or against him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on June 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 04, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
95% of that article is irrelevant to the topic at hand. He's box office, whether you're for or against him.

Don't know how he can be box office when the only channel he's on is shutting down
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 04, 2021, 11:22:21 PM
What a dick
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on June 05, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
Not a fan of JB at all,  but he's 100% right to pull a national broadcaster in its bias
Hope he wins,  and more importantly opens some peoples eyes
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2021, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 04, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
95% of that article is irrelevant to the topic at hand. He's box office, whether you're for or against him.

Don't know how he can be box office when the only channel he's on is shutting down

🤣
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 04, 2021, 10:18:10 PM
Brolly, behaving like the jilted lover. Read some of his columns since RTE got rid, and they are petty and childish. He's a sad little man.

He was right. However, the fundamental rule of debate on a public funded station is you don't slag off someone who isn't there to deny it. BBC the exact same in this regard.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on June 05, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 05, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
Not a fan of JB at all,  but he's 100% right to pull a national broadcaster in its bias
Hope he wins,  and more importantly opens some peoples eyes
Claire Byrne cut him short when he began to  criticise Geoffrey who had  just left the studio. She told him that is was unacceptable to personally abuse anyone who wasn't  there to defend himself. She did emphasise however, that he was free to continue participating if he chose to as long as he avoided passing personal derogatory remarks about anyone who wasn't present.
Joe began to remonstrate as Claire repeated her warning and his sound was cut off. Before the camera was switched elsewhere, Joe could be seen waving his hands and obviously shouting.
Claire then explained to the other studio guests, and to her audience, that Joe was quite  welcome to rejoin in the discussion but that it was a breach of RTE 's policy to allow personal abuse of anyone unabnot in a position to defend themselves.
She added that she had personally invited Joe to participate and that she hoped he would do so.
Obviously. he didn't do so.
I believe that Joe took the hump because he was dropped from TSG and this is his way of getting his own back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 05, 2021, 02:40:31 PM
With the Sunday game he crossed the line into personal insult territory multiple times, was well out of order and was warned. He has no one to blame but himself there either. He's no victim.  Tbh he should have been removed after the cavanagh stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on June 05, 2021, 03:25:33 PM
He a wild hard on for himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on June 05, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 05, 2021, 02:40:31 PM
With the Sunday game he crossed the line into personal insult territory multiple times, was well out of order and was warned. He has no one to blame but himself there either. He's no victim.  Tbh he should have been removed after the cavanagh stuff.
Can't argue with that
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

Delusional. Plain delusional.

Firstly you simply cannot stand over the claim that political programme will only permit critical comment of a politician if they are on hand to defend themselves. That simply isn't the case. Your argument is false.

Secondly Dr Jensen is about a false allegation.

Thirdly RTE/BBC do not not shut the debate down before it happens. They are allow you to express a view and if crosses the lines I pointed out previously then they add the line I pointed out previously. Byrne departed from standard practice.

Your legal case example is made up nonsense. Did Brolly say that the DUP as an organisation was homophobic?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

It's not slander if it's true. Joe proved it was true by posting numerous headlines and quotes from papers which were said by the DUP.

Sean should have took Joe to court and got a nice lump sum like arlene did
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

It's not slander if it's true. Joe proved it was true by posting numerous headlines and quotes from papers which were said by the DUP.

Sean should have took Joe to court and got a nice lump sum like arlene did

What case should Sean have taken against Brolly? What was the potential payout that Sean forwent?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brolly's contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

Delusional. Plain delusional.

Firstly you simply cannot stand over the claim that political programme will only permit critical comment of a politician if they are on hand to defend themselves. That simply isn't the case. Your argument is false.

Secondly Dr Jensen is about a false allegation.

Thirdly RTE/BBC do not not shut the debate down before it happens. They are allow you to express a view and if crosses the lines I pointed out previously then they add the line I pointed out previously. Byrne departed from standard practice.

Your legal case example is made up nonsense. Did Brolly say that the DUP as an organisation was homophobic?


If you listen to any debate show on BBC or RTE, comments like this about guests not in attendance do not stand. They really don't. Nolan recently shut down someone who came out with the SFIRA stuff by saying they are a legitimate political party with a mandate, and that if they were present they would vehemently deny those allegations.

Joe was asked to cease and get back to the topic at hand, he refused and was cut off after.

After listening back to it there, he said "the homophobia, the racism, all those things" in relation to either Gregory Campbell or the DUP itself. Could be read either way.

Are we even sure the case relates relates the Claire Byrne show?

Is smelmoth Joe??  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

It's not slander if it's true. Joe proved it was true by posting numerous headlines and quotes from papers which were said by the DUP.

Sean should have took Joe to court and got a nice lump sum like arlene did

What case should Sean have taken against Brolly? What was the potential payout that Sean forwent?

Sean didnt take a case. I was saying that how brolly attacked Seans character as a person he could have taken a case against brolly if brolly is taking a case against rte for cutting him off
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brolly's contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?

He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, it's the truth of many others as well (which I've made up), but gives more credence to what I'm saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I don't like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure they're all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone I've spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those county's supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
If you listen to any debate show on BBC or RTE, comments like this about guests not in attendance do not stand. They really don't.

So if Micheal Martin doesn't appear on any Rte debate before the next election then that guarantees he cannot be criticised in debate prior to the next election. Utter bollocks. I guess you know that.

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Nolan recently shut down someone who came out with the SFIRA stuff
Brollyesque. Where is the evidence

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
by saying they are a legitimate political party with a mandate, and that if they were present they would vehemently deny those allegations.
Fair play to Nolan. Why did Byrne not do the same?


Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Joe was asked to cease and get back to the topic at hand, he refused and was cut off after.
Are you suggesting that Brolly refused to debate? Refused to debate the topic? Or refused to debate the evidence? Was he not trying to sift the old evidence when the plug was pulled?

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
After listening back to it there, he said "the homophobia, the racism, all those things" in relation to either Gregory Campbell or the DUP itself. Could be read either way.

Christ with a case as strong as that Brolly is in trouble

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Are we even sure the case relates relates the Claire Byrne show?

No. But a few posters have signed up for jury service all the same

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Is smelmoth Joe??  ;D

Lock up your daughters. And livestock🙀
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 10:46:32 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2021, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

It's not slander if it's true. Joe proved it was true by posting numerous headlines and quotes from papers which were said by the DUP.

Sean should have took Joe to court and got a nice lump sum like arlene did

What case should Sean have taken against Brolly? What was the potential payout that Sean forwent?

Sean didnt take a case. I was saying that how brolly attacked Seans character as a person he could have taken a case against brolly if brolly is taking a case against rte for cutting him off

I am asking what case could he have taken? And what would the potential payout have been on said case?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PMl
He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant?
And which of those questions did Byrne ask?
Prime opportunity to expose Brolly. What did the journalist do?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
There videos about with plenty of remarks made by Campbell, trying to proof Brolly statement true is not that hard.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 07, 2021, 01:03:55 AM
The article linked a couple of pages back doesn't give any details about what kind of "legal action" is being taken by JB against RTE.

How does it work - would this be publicly available knowledge once the case is submitted? Is there a record somewhere as to whether Joe is suing for some sort of damages, loss of earnings, defamation, etc etc?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on June 07, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brolly's contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?

He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, it's the truth of many others as well (which I've made up), but gives more credence to what I'm saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I don't like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure they're all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone I've spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those county's supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.

You could use that argument for any political commentator who ever refers to "sources" within political parties when stating a point.
Brolly saying that someone in what ever camp said something to him is as legitimate as Laura Keunssberg saying senior sources in the Tory part told her something. It's common practice and if every analyst or reporter did name their sources those same sources would soon dry up.

In so far as the Claire Byrne show, it seemed like Brolly was trying to set context to the comments Campbell had made earlier for those in ROI not already aware of the ilk of the man or the party he represents. CB didn't set that context and wouldn't allow Brolly to either which could mean the the viewers were left thinking the GC view of the situation in NI as being the common view, which obviously isn't the case. You could argue that CB/RTE had an agenda to portray a certain view with no balance.
What ever people think of Brolly, I don't believe anything he was saying on that topic was factually incorrect and there's plenty of evidence in the media to support that.

Would CB cut off a commentator who was raising comments about SF if there was no SF representative on the panel? I'm not sure she would, but who knows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on June 07, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 07, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brolly's contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?

He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, it's the truth of many others as well (which I've made up), but gives more credence to what I'm saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I don't like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure they're all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone I've spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those county's supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.

You could use that argument for any political commentator who ever refers to "sources" within political parties when stating a point.
Brolly saying that someone in what ever camp said something to him is as legitimate as Laura Keunssberg saying senior sources in the Tory part told her something. It's common practice and if every analyst or reporter did name their sources those same sources would soon dry up.

In so far as the Claire Byrne show, it seemed like Brolly was trying to set context to the comments Campbell had made earlier for those in ROI not already aware of the ilk of the man or the party he represents. CB didn't set that context and wouldn't allow Brolly to either which could mean the the viewers were left thinking the GC view of the situation in NI as being the common view, which obviously isn't the case. You could argue that CB/RTE had an agenda to portray a certain view with no balance.
What ever people think of Brolly, I don't believe anything he was saying on that topic was factually incorrect and there's plenty of evidence in the media to support that.

Would CB cut off a commentator who was raising comments about SF if there was no SF representative on the panel? I'm not sure she would, but who knows.

Whatever about whether Claire Byrne was right or wrong to cut him off (I was delighted personally!), I don't see what the legal claim could be, if the case relates to that incident at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on June 07, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 07, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 07, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Makes sense. And if that's the case with media, then Brolly would be in trouble every week in his columns.

Going on about I was talking to this Mayo/Dublin/Tyrone player, and he said X, Y and Z, when it's clearly obvious he didn't meet said player nor did they say XY or Z. He said similar in the Claire Byrne interview. Gaslighting as it's best.  He's an absolute bullshitter.

That is a crazy post.

Your point is that Brolly's contribution to the Byrne show was similar to his claimed (real or imagined) with Mayo footballers. In what way was it similar?

You say it was gaslighting at its best. So who was he attempting to gaslight? How was he doing it? And what position where they being gaslit into adopting?

He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, it's the truth of many others as well (which I've made up), but gives more credence to what I'm saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I don't like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure they're all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone I've spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those county's supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.

You could use that argument for any political commentator who ever refers to "sources" within political parties when stating a point.
Brolly saying that someone in what ever camp said something to him is as legitimate as Laura Keunssberg saying senior sources in the Tory part told her something. It's common practice and if every analyst or reporter did name their sources those same sources would soon dry up.

In so far as the Claire Byrne show, it seemed like Brolly was trying to set context to the comments Campbell had made earlier for those in ROI not already aware of the ilk of the man or the party he represents. CB didn't set that context and wouldn't allow Brolly to either which could mean the the viewers were left thinking the GC view of the situation in NI as being the common view, which obviously isn't the case. You could argue that CB/RTE had an agenda to portray a certain view with no balance.
What ever people think of Brolly, I don't believe anything he was saying on that topic was factually incorrect and there's plenty of evidence in the media to support that.

Would CB cut off a commentator who was raising comments about SF if there was no SF representative on the panel? I'm not sure she would, but who knows.

Whatever about whether Claire Byrne was right or wrong to cut him off (I was delighted personally!), I don't see what the legal claim could be, if the case relates to that incident at all.

I'd prefer to have heard what he was going to say in full. The problem with Brolly is that he does speak a lot of sense but the manner in which he delivers his point rubs a lot of people up the wrong way.
No idea what the legal claim would be either. I'd guess it has to be on some technicality of RTE regulations being breached.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TabClear on June 07, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
I'd be willing to bet it will be "settled" before it gets to the courts. Joe is really a tiresome, egotistical man. As has been said here multiple times, its all about him and his constant whining and talking over people should have been nipped in the bud well before he was taken off TSG. That being said he is clearly playing a game and has worked out how to maximise his commercial returns through controversy. He is best ignored in my view (and yes I do see the irony in commenting about him!  :D)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 07, 2021, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 07, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
He said on CB he knows some Tory politicians that loathes Ulster Protestants. Which Tories? How many did you ask? Did he get the opinion of every tory politician? Do they hate every single Ulster Protestant? He continually does this sort of thing to reinforce his argument. So basically, this is not my opinion, it's the truth of many others as well (which I've made up), but gives more credence to what I'm saying.

He continually did this sort of thing on TSG and in his columns.

I could make up anything about say, supporters of a certain county. It could be a county I don't like anyway, and say something along the lines of .. ah sure they're all a bunch of b******s. And every time I go somewhere in Ireland, for work, travel, sport, etc..... anyone I've spoke to has also said, oh aye those f*****s! All a bunch of b*******s! ... so there you have it. Those county's supporters are clearly a bunch of b*******s, everyone thinks so.

You could use that argument for any political commentator who ever refers to "sources" within political parties when stating a point.
Brolly saying that someone in what ever camp said something to him is as legitimate as Laura Keunssberg saying senior sources in the Tory part told her something. It's common practice and if every analyst or reporter did name their sources those same sources would soon dry up.

In so far as the Claire Byrne show, it seemed like Brolly was trying to set context to the comments Campbell had made earlier for those in ROI not already aware of the ilk of the man or the party he represents. CB didn't set that context and wouldn't allow Brolly to either which could mean the the viewers were left thinking the GC view of the situation in NI as being the common view, which obviously isn't the case. You could argue that CB/RTE had an agenda to portray a certain view with no balance.
What ever people think of Brolly, I don't believe anything he was saying on that topic was factually incorrect and there's plenty of evidence in the media to support that.

Would CB cut off a commentator who was raising comments about SF if there was no SF representative on the panel? I'm not sure she would, but who knows.

The video I watched, Campbell didn't say anything about Irish language, the GAA or about LGBT issues. So why did Brolly bring them up?

From the short time Brolly was talking, he came up with nothing new. The same old shite. We've heard it all before. It was just a tirade against unionists and the DUP.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 07, 2021, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

I simply stated that I dislike the strong culture of litigation and insurance claims that exist in Irish society. Joe Brolly has not suffered personal injury, psychological trauma or financial loss as a result of anything that occurred on Claire Byrnes show. And you're right I don't know if the litigation case is as a result of the Claire Byrne appearance but I think it would be reasonable to assume that this is the case. But that has nothing to do with my point about making legal claims to settle every dispute and falling out. I wouldn't have thought Joe was so thin skinned but I suspect that his sacking from RTE Sunday Game might be playing a part in this decision.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on June 08, 2021, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

That was really entertaining, and I have to say McConville is rapidly becoming my favourite pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2021, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: God14 on June 08, 2021, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

That was really entertaining, and I have to say McConville is rapidly becoming my favourite pundit.

Definitely mine anyways. Hopefully we'll see more of him as we have to watch the games on TV this year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 08, 2021, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

Really enjoyed that debate. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2021, 12:16:23 AM
Oisín is the heir apparent for the  manager position of Monaghan senior team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 09, 2021, 09:15:53 AM
I thought Oisín was good, then I heard the crap he came out with about why derry footballers are doing good(saying amongst other things guys are bypassing the hurling). There is no dual player on that team that hasnt been there years already. Lazy analysis.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on June 09, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 09, 2021, 12:16:23 AM
Oisín is the heir apparent for the  manager position of Monaghan senior team.

Monaghan?

If any county surely it would be his own?

Have to say I like listening to him and Clarke & OSe.

The Gooch is hit and miss - maybe not as great a talker as the above 3
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on June 09, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
Brolly spoofed some shite in that podcast.......does anybody believe have the stuff he says?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on June 09, 2021, 01:49:39 PM
He sure did.
Joe was in full deflect, spoof, and tangent mode as Oisin had his number. Brolly didn't seem to expect the attack and was unprepared. Oisin illuminated what a shite pundit he was, all soundbites, bitter attacks and rants.
Loved at the end when he pointed out to Joe, that he had answered the exact same question with 2 completely different answers. Within the space of 2 minutes 🤣
Ultimate spoofer Brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 01:56:57 PM
At the start I didn't like mcconville but now I think he is probably the best about. Brolly isn't really an analyst. He's only there for entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on June 09, 2021, 02:03:43 PM
Brolly would never have expected that from McConville given how he waxes lyrically about Cross at every opportunity.

McConville said at the start when he was going into punditry he was going to tell it how it is - he certainly did there.

Expect Brolly to mark his card now and have a pop at Cross/McConville at some stage down the line.

Entertaining
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 01:56:57 PM
At the start I didn't like mcconville but now I think he is probably the best about. Brolly isn't really an analyst. He's only there for entertainment.

There's nothing entertaining about Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 09, 2021, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 09, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 01:56:57 PM
At the start I didn't like mcconville but now I think he is probably the best about. Brolly isn't really an analyst. He's only there for entertainment.

There's nothing entertaining about Brolly.

he is a knob
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 09, 2021, 02:03:43 PM
Brolly would never have expected that from McConville given how he waxes lyrically about Cross at every opportunity.

McConville said at the start when he was going into punditry he was going to tell it how it is - he certainly did there.

Expect Brolly to mark his card now and have a pop at Cross/McConville at some stage down the line.

Entertaining

I think he already started the process during the interview. By making the claim that John McEntee was Armaghs best ever footballer, I think this was probably an attempt to rile McConville up. I don't think Brolly really believes this, fine footballer though he was. It was either another attempt to grab a headline or just to draw a reaction from McConville.   

Brolly is remarkably thin skinned for a man who likes dishing it out as we seen recently with the RTE litigation case. McConvilles straight out criticism of Joe will not sit well with him, I have never heard any other pundit attempt to take him on in this manner. The fact that McConville is now getting a lot of work off RTE just as Brolly was disposed of, will only add salt into the wounds. This could well provide copy for another couple of Sunday columns in the months ahead though.

In saying all that I don't take Brolly seriously at all and that is why I find him entertaining and I actually agree with what he is saying in this instance. I can make up my own mind on what I am watching so I don't need the guidance of these 'expert' pundits/coaches on TV and radio who take themselves much too seriously. Yes, there are certain things that you can see whilst present at a match that you can't from your armchair but by and large the standard of analyst on RTE is not great. Entertainers they certainly aren't, a lot of them are so wooden that the analysis is like the ad breaks where you end up taking an extended toilet break. Far too much political correctness, cliches and statistics. Ironically Sky have gone slightly in the other direction recently particularly when it comes to soccer and it is much for the better as I actually look forward to some of the analysis now more than the actual matches.         
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 04:01:36 PM
Tbh sometimes you have to think that Brolly's mental health isn't the best and I don't mean that as a slight on him - it's a genuine observation. There is just so much with him which just makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 09, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 04:01:36 PM
Tbh sometimes you have to think that Brolly's mental health isn't the best and I don't mean that as a slight on him - it's a genuine observation. There is just so much with him which just makes you wonder.

I think you are correct, and I sort of feel bad now for calling him a knob, but id say hes definitely not well
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on June 09, 2021, 04:18:22 PM
He said before stuff from his childhood haunted him. The British Army came and wrecked the house they were living and took his father away, kept in Long kesh for 3 years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on June 09, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
I despair for some of you, reading the stuff some of you write. You take yourselves all to seriously where as Brolly doesn't take himself seriously at all. He's genuine in that it's entertainment. Brolly leads a life of listening to and defending in the criminal courts. Can you imagine the people he has met, spent time with and defended. That's his day to day stuff. Things you can't comprehend. Context is everything in life. For Brolly this is escapism. It's entertainment. It's not the real world
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: shawshank on June 09, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
I despair for some of you, reading the stuff some of you write. You take yourselves all to seriously where as Brolly doesn't take himself seriously at all. He's genuine in that it's entertainment. Brolly leads a life of listening to and defending in the criminal courts. Can you imagine the people he has met, spent time with and defended. That's his day to day stuff. Things you can't comprehend. Context is everything in life. For Brolly this is escapism. It's entertainment. It's not the real world

I think there is some truth in that. For Brolly he sees the GAA as his entertainment and release from the day to day stuff. For many of the other pundits the GAA and punditry is at least a large part of their career and this comes across in the punditry where they see it as more of an occupation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2021, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
I think he already started the process during the interview. By making the claim that John McEntee was Armaghs best ever footballer, I think this was probably an attempt to rile McConville up. I don't think Brolly really believes this, fine footballer though he was. It was either another attempt to grab a headline or just to draw a reaction from McConville.   

McEntee's were both good players, but they wouldn't be spoken of in terms of Armagh's greatest. Oisin would be up there. Maybe not as skilful as McDonnell, or have the drive/leadership of McGeeney/McGrane etc, but he stood up on the big occasions when it mattered. Brolly knows McConville isn't going to say he was the greatest Armagh player. Very petty from Brolly. Not recognising the contribution Oisin made over the years.

QuoteBrolly is remarkably thin skinned for a man who likes dishing it out as we seen recently with the RTE litigation case. McConvilles straight out criticism of Joe will not sit well with him, I have never heard any other pundit attempt to take him on in this manner. The fact that McConville is now getting a lot of work off RTE just as Brolly was disposed of, will only add salt into the wounds. This could well provide copy for another couple of Sunday columns in the months ahead though.

Classic narcissistic trait - fragile self-esteem. Puts others down to make himself feel more superior.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 09, 2021, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: shawshank on June 09, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
I despair for some of you, reading the stuff some of you write. You take yourselves all to seriously where as Brolly doesn't take himself seriously at all. He's genuine in that it's entertainment. Brolly leads a life of listening to and defending in the criminal courts. Can you imagine the people he has met, spent time with and defended. That's his day to day stuff. Things you can't comprehend. Context is everything in life. For Brolly this is escapism. It's entertainment. It's not the real world

But why belittle people
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on June 09, 2021, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 09, 2021, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: shawshank on June 09, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
I despair for some of you, reading the stuff some of you write. You take yourselves all to seriously where as Brolly doesn't take himself seriously at all. He's genuine in that it's entertainment. Brolly leads a life of listening to and defending in the criminal courts. Can you imagine the people he has met, spent time with and defended. That's his day to day stuff. Things you can't comprehend. Context is everything in life. For Brolly this is escapism. It's entertainment. It's not the real world

But why belittle people
Exactly. A few years ago, Monaghan was in an Ulster final. Best player Tommy Freeman was injured but played with a strap on his right hand. Seems he drove a Hilti nail into his palm. Brolly kept sniggering about this for the whole match. O'Rourke and Luster kept quite but Brolly didn't notice they weren't responding. As puerile a performance as I ever saw from him. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 09:19:07 PM
I thought I had read somewhere it was due to personal attacks - tried to find it but couldn't. Entertainment is well and good but questioning the likes of gough's (it was gough wasn't it?) integrity, the attack on cavanagh, grimly, the Marty Morrisey comment, there was mcgeeney stuff in there etc all combined were a bit too far.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2021, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

Yeah I agree. I don't want to hear that Galway have fisted the ball 548 times and the Mayo midfielder has ran 24 miles. It's the score that matters. I don't want to hear all that other shite. But I also don't want to listen to Brolly either
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 09, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
One thing about Brolly boys, you can't accuse of him of being boring. He's the type of boy that runs over and pokes the bees nest with his hurl and runs while laughing at everyone's reaction around him.

Oisin a little more pc but you need to bring your A game if your going to debate Brolly. For his volcalbary skills are very admirable.

20 years with the Sunday game is not to shabby. I like people who talk off the cuff and not hindered by correctness as long as its within reason.

Great interview its nice to hear people talk without the interpretation of ads etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 10, 2021, 01:52:20 AM
If I want to be entertained I'll listen to some stand up comedy, when it comes to GAA pundits I want to listen to different (hopefully) intelligent perceptions of the game. The game is the event,  not the clown at half time.
In that podcast Brolly has an orgasm  when telling how he wound up Colm O'Rourke at HT in a particularly boring game,  winding up Colm was where it was at for Brolly - he regards himself  as an entertainer for the gullible viewer who's supposed to  remember those stand out moments when Joe entertained us as opposed to an intelligent piece of punditry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 10, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
Absolutely... RTE needs a clearout. I'm not sure Whelan much better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged. 

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on June 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 10, 2021, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.

Head doer
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
Absolutely... RTE needs a clearout. I'm not sure Whelan much better.
They do regular pruning.
One of the things re the old guard analysts was that they were entertaining an older generation when they started 20 years ago.
Education levels amongst the viewers would have been lower. So they weren't very demanding in terms of analysis
Spillane is the best example of this. He offers nothing to younger viewers. He would be the TV sports analyst equivalent of country music.
But viewers liked him.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 10, 2021, 12:43:28 PM
Education levels were lower 20 years ago ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 10, 2021, 01:36:37 PM
Brolly peddles this narrative that people who don't want to listen to his, often obviously fabricated, yarns are more interested in hearing about stats. This is where his lack of understanding in what makes a good pundit shows. I've no interest in how many miles someone runs or who has the highest percentage of forced errors but i am interested in learning why these lads are running so far, into what areas and what benefit is it to the team? What are the teams doing to cause the errors? etc i.e. the story / tactics behind the stats. I am actually also interested to know how teams set up and maybe over the years if the RTE pundits had spent a little more time explaining the defensive set ups and the different systems that teams were bringing to the game then maybe they could have helped the average viewer to understand a little more about what was going on and at least appreciate the why teams where doing it and enable them to make up their own minds about it. But the easy thing to do was just call it rubbish and go on personal rants about it. Classic deflection tactics because most likely Colm, Pat and Joe, having not played in the era of blanket defences, didn't really understand what was going on themselves.

On a side note, i saw a really good piece of analysis online, i think it was joe.ie maybe, but it was about the number of goals and points coming from cut backs and loops in recent weeks. These are things you may miss when watching on TV so rely on the pundit to point it out. My young lad has been out practising the run and cut back in the garden since i showed it to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on June 10, 2021, 05:31:07 PM
I think what it really comes down to is that Brolly is just an ignorant p***k. "Houl on", putting his hands in people's faces, and then when others are speaking he was constantly interrupting and trying to cut in. Whatever you think of Spillane, Whelan etc, and their analysis, they should at least be given the time and opportunity to speak. With Brolly around, they rarely got that.

The other pundits were having to talk louder to drown out Brollys constant interrupting, and on occasion having to tell him to shut up (I think Whelan told him to be quiet once, and he was right to do so). There's nothing more annoying than someone chirping in your ear when you're trying to talk. Even more annoying if you're being paid to talk.

But again, cutting in and talking over people is another narcissistic trait. What you have to say isn't important, now listen to me because what I have to say is important
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on June 10, 2021, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

Agree with all that. Brolly when he wanted to be was thee most informative pundit out there. He did get bored and did go off on rants but on form he was the best. Most importantly Joe was right in the podcast....IT IS ENTERTAINMENT ffs. Its our amateur sport that takes us away from our daily humdrum and we want a balance of insight and craic.

Canavan and McConville are good analysts but so drole...no life in them.

Eamon  Fitzmaurice seems like he's at a wake. Awful.

Whelan constantly angry and dour.

There's bound to be some boys with a bit of craic and light in their eyes out there who can give a bit of both and are articulate enough to teach and keep us entertained
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on June 10, 2021, 09:26:58 PM
There are 15 NFL playoffs and the last round of hurley league this weekend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on June 10, 2021, 09:31:11 PM
Who's the ejjicts on Northern Sound. Good craic the odd time I used to listen in
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on June 10, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
Quote from: Gold on June 10, 2021, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

Agree with all that. Brolly when he wanted to be was thee most informative pundit out there. He did get bored and did go off on rants but on form he was the best. Most importantly Joe was right in the podcast....IT IS ENTERTAINMENT ffs. Its our amateur sport that takes us away from our daily humdrum and we want a balance of insight and craic.

Canavan and McConville are good analysts but so drove...no life in them.

Eamon  Fitzmaurice seems like he's at a wake. Awful. Wieland constantly angry and dour.

There's bound to be some boys with a bit of craic and light in their eyes out there who can give a bit of both and are articulate enough to teach and keep us entertained

I'd be happy enough to listen to a McConville or a Canavan with a Brolly alongside them. Part of the problem in RTE is the increased level of political correctness. It's all so careful and once Joanne Cantwell replcaed Michael Lyster, it seemed to me that she didn't want to work with him.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on June 11, 2021, 09:23:53 AM
Listened to the first 15mins and it's text book Brolly so far. Makes a couple of good points and then talks over everyone, talks about himself and throws in a few far fetched tales.

Two corkers so far:
- Dublin team Doctor, Dr Hickey, rang him after his comments on Tyrone and told him he was watching it in a pub in Listowel and there was a round of applause and standing ovation for Brolly after he spoke.
- pub in Tyrone had to turn off the TV when Brolly was speaking before a game as the punters where throwing their shoes at the telly.  ::)

Then at one stage Mark Sidebottom said that not all people like what Brolly was describing as his style. Brolly disagreed naturally, Sidebottom give example of he been at dinner the day before and 3 people where looking forward to the podcast and 3 said they wouldn't listen. Brolly dismissed this and said the 3 where lying.

That 15 minute is Brolly in a nutshell. It's funny at first but tiresome after half a hour. If you in a pub, you'd listen to it for first pint but you'd quickly look to move on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
John McEntee the greatest Armagh player ever?  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on June 11, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on June 11, 2021, 09:23:53 AM
Listened to the first 15mins and it's text book Brolly so far. Makes a couple of good points and then talks over everyone, talks about himself and throws in a few far fetched tales.

Two corkers so far:
- Dublin team Doctor, Dr Hickey, rang him after his comments on Tyrone and told him he was watching it in a pub in Listowel and there was a round of applause and standing ovation for Brolly after he spoke.
- pub in Tyrone had to turn off the TV when Brolly was speaking before a game as the punters where throwing their shoes at the telly.  ::)

Then at one stage Mark Sidebottom said that not all people like what Brolly was describing as his style. Brolly disagreed naturally, Sidebottom give example of he been at dinner the day before and 3 people where looking forward to the podcast and 3 said they wouldn't listen. Brolly dismissed this and said the 3 where lying.

That 15 minute is Brolly in a nutshell. It's funny at first but tiresome after half a hour. If you in a pub, you'd listen to it for first pint but you'd quickly look to move on.

Is it not good craic talking to people with opinions that they can articulate well and in an entertaining way, even if you disagree with them.  I laugh at people complaining about him telling lies.  Who's to say that story about Dr Hickey was untrue.  I can imagine it happening.  I don't know about the shoe story, but wouldn't rule it out in certain Tyrone bars  ;)

Even if it isn't true. What odds?

He's telling a story and giving a bit of colour.  He's passionate and clearly has a love of the games. You can see that he is concerned that as a cultural and sporting body, something is being lost in the drive for a more professional approach, whether its in the cautious football, the bland boring sports personalities, cynical football or some of the ambitions of the GPA. 

You mightn't like him, or his personality, but take away all of the bluster he is a really important voice for the GAA to listen to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on June 11, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
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Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

Agree with all that. Brolly when he wanted to be was thee most informative pundit out there. He did get bored and did go off on rants but on form he was the best. Most importantly Joe was right in the podcast....IT IS ENTERTAINMENT ffs. Its our amateur sport that takes us away from our daily humdrum and we want a balance of insight and craic.

Canavan and McConville are good analysts but so drove...no life in them.

Eamon  Fitzmaurice seems like he's at a wake. Awful. Wieland constantly angry and dour.

There's bound to be some boys with a bit of craic and light in their eyes out there who can give a bit of both and are articulate enough to teach and keep us entertained

I'd be happy enough to listen to a McConville or a Canavan with a Brolly alongside them. Part of the problem in RTE is the increased level of political correctness. It's all so careful and once Joanne Cantwell replcaed Michael Lyster, it seemed to me that she didn't want to work with him.

I can't listen to Joanne Canwell and I think you are right, she didn't like Brolly and didnt want to work with him.
The Sunday Game now almost seems like it is entirely scripted before the game even kicks off. It just bores the life out of you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on June 11, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: APM on June 11, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on June 11, 2021, 09:23:53 AM
Listened to the first 15mins and it's text book Brolly so far. Makes a couple of good points and then talks over everyone, talks about himself and throws in a few far fetched tales.

Two corkers so far:
- Dublin team Doctor, Dr Hickey, rang him after his comments on Tyrone and told him he was watching it in a pub in Listowel and there was a round of applause and standing ovation for Brolly after he spoke.
- pub in Tyrone had to turn off the TV when Brolly was speaking before a game as the punters where throwing their shoes at the telly.  ::)

Then at one stage Mark Sidebottom said that not all people like what Brolly was describing as his style. Brolly disagreed naturally, Sidebottom give example of he been at dinner the day before and 3 people where looking forward to the podcast and 3 said they wouldn't listen. Brolly dismissed this and said the 3 where lying.

That 15 minute is Brolly in a nutshell. It's funny at first but tiresome after half a hour. If you in a pub, you'd listen to it for first pint but you'd quickly look to move on.

Is it not good craic talking to people with opinions that they can articulate well and in an entertaining way, even if you disagree with them.  I laugh at people complaining about him telling lies.  Who's to say that story about Dr Hickey was untrue.  I can imagine it happening.  I don't know about the shoe story, but wouldn't rule it out in certain Tyrone bars  ;)

Even if it isn't true. What odds?

He's telling a story and giving a bit of colour.  He's passionate and clearly has a love of the games. You can see that he is concerned that as a cultural and sporting body, something is being lost in the drive for a more professional approach, whether its in the cautious football, the bland boring sports personalities, cynical football or some of the ambitions of the GPA. 

You mightn't like him, or his personality, but take away all of the bluster he is a really important voice for the GAA to listen to.

It's about balance and you want some personality and colour for sure but with Brolly, and it's only my take on him, you don't get the balance. You just get him.

These stories of his, they don't stand up. The Dr Hickey story, there may have been approval and a few nodding heads but round of applause and standing ovation....have you ever been in an Irish pub FFS  ;D ;D In Joe's head it happened. Numerous times his stories are far fetched. I've no doubt he believes them though, many exaggerated and before fact over time.

What odds? If we let everyone on TV tell tales we'd be in a great place alright. Leave the lying to the politicians.

I don't think he is a great voice at all for the GAA. He goes to extremes and makes it personal all too often. He has these great causes and drops them like a hot potato. Pay TV was going to ruin GAA and now he involved in it, he was going to stop Covid and hasn't mentioned it in 12 months. He a mixed up man.

As I said, if you landed into a pub a bit under weather of a Sunday morning, you'd land in beside him and get a few pints onboard while he leads the way. Come a hour later, you'd have heard enough and be off up the street to another spot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on June 11, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Louther on June 11, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: APM on June 11, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on June 11, 2021, 09:23:53 AM
Listened to the first 15mins and it's text book Brolly so far. Makes a couple of good points and then talks over everyone, talks about himself and throws in a few far fetched tales.

Two corkers so far:
- Dublin team Doctor, Dr Hickey, rang him after his comments on Tyrone and told him he was watching it in a pub in Listowel and there was a round of applause and standing ovation for Brolly after he spoke.
- pub in Tyrone had to turn off the TV when Brolly was speaking before a game as the punters where throwing their shoes at the telly.  ::)

Then at one stage Mark Sidebottom said that not all people like what Brolly was describing as his style. Brolly disagreed naturally, Sidebottom give example of he been at dinner the day before and 3 people where looking forward to the podcast and 3 said they wouldn't listen. Brolly dismissed this and said the 3 where lying.

That 15 minute is Brolly in a nutshell. It's funny at first but tiresome after half a hour. If you in a pub, you'd listen to it for first pint but you'd quickly look to move on.

Is it not good craic talking to people with opinions that they can articulate well and in an entertaining way, even if you disagree with them.  I laugh at people complaining about him telling lies.  Who's to say that story about Dr Hickey was untrue.  I can imagine it happening.  I don't know about the shoe story, but wouldn't rule it out in certain Tyrone bars  ;)

Even if it isn't true. What odds?

He's telling a story and giving a bit of colour.  He's passionate and clearly has a love of the games. You can see that he is concerned that as a cultural and sporting body, something is being lost in the drive for a more professional approach, whether its in the cautious football, the bland boring sports personalities, cynical football or some of the ambitions of the GPA. 

You mightn't like him, or his personality, but take away all of the bluster he is a really important voice for the GAA to listen to.

It's about balance and you want some personality and colour for sure but with Brolly, and it's only my take on him, you don't get the balance. You just get him.

These stories of his, they don't stand up. The Dr Hickey story, there may have been approval and a few nodding heads but round of applause and standing ovation....have you ever been in an Irish pub FFS  ;D ;D In Joe's head it happened. Numerous times his stories are far fetched. I've no doubt he believes them though, many exaggerated and before fact over time.

What odds? If we let everyone on TV tell tales we'd be in a great place alright. Leave the lying to the politicians.

I don't think he is a great voice at all for the GAA. He goes to extremes and makes it personal all too often. He has these great causes and drops them like a hot potato. Pay TV was going to ruin GAA and now he involved in it, he was going to stop Covid and hasn't mentioned it in 12 months. He a mixed up man.

As I said, if you landed into a pub a bit under weather of a Sunday morning, you'd land in beside him and get a few pints onboard while he leads the way. Come a hour later, you'd have heard enough and be off up the street to another spot.

In my head they were already standing to be fair  :)

In terms of letting everyone tell tales; the point is that it isn't politics, its football and as far as spectators are concerned, it is entertainment. 

Think of the games that you played in and some of the stuff that happened on and off the pitch.  As the years go on the stories get a bit taller and a bit more embellished.  Is that not telling tales.

And to be fair to Brolly, a lot of his message is about ensuring that the adventure and joy remain in the game and all that goes with it, punditry included.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louther on June 11, 2021, 12:12:15 PM
Someone likely dropped a glass and the pub stood and roared and Joe took that as for him  ;)

Joe would have his place but not sure if that in telly week in and week out talking about what he wants to talk about rather than what's happening in the game.

If Joe was in local Hotel at event or dinner place. Would I go and listen? Very likely - his stories and free floor would go down very well.
If Joe on TV watching Galway V Roscommon and he talking about Dublin, his playing days, rules, sniping etc - where's the remote.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on June 11, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 11, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
John McEntee the greatest Armagh player ever?  :o

He's not even the best McEntee ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on June 11, 2021, 01:48:14 PM
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Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

Agree with all that. Brolly when he wanted to be was thee most informative pundit out there. He did get bored and did go off on rants but on form he was the best. Most importantly Joe was right in the podcast....IT IS ENTERTAINMENT ffs. Its our amateur sport that takes us away from our daily humdrum and we want a balance of insight and craic.

Canavan and McConville are good analysts but so drove...no life in them.

Eamon  Fitzmaurice seems like he's at a wake. Awful. Wieland constantly angry and dour.

There's bound to be some boys with a bit of craic and light in their eyes out there who can give a bit of both and are articulate enough to teach and keep us entertained

I'd be happy enough to listen to a McConville or a Canavan with a Brolly alongside them. Part of the problem in RTE is the increased level of political correctness. It's all so careful and once Joanne Cantwell replcaed Michael Lyster, it seemed to me that she didn't want to work with him.

I can't listen to Joanne Canwell and I think you are right, she didn't like Brolly and didnt want to work with him.
The Sunday Game now almost seems like it is entirely scripted before the game even kicks off. It just bores the life out of you.
Joanne is an experienced presenter, well versed in the GAA and had worked alongside Brolly for years. It was proper order for her to take Brolly to task for his outright spoofery. Brolly's reaction to this incident was ridiculous  and with more that  a hint of sexism  as in how dare she try to take me to task.
Similar to this latest event in Joe's life, how dare she cut me off? I´m taking RTE to court.
That in a nutshell is the insecurity and hypocrisy of Joe the narcissist, of course this doesn't define the person as a whole  but no matter what, this is where it all ends up everytime,  deeply insecure, incredibly sensitive to admonition and making it all about me me me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MC on June 11, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
I'm never sure what to make of him - its extremes of sincerity to absolute wind-up.
He can be very astute - I was always taken aback by his early comments in the Donegal v Dublin semi-final when Dublin seemed to be on top.
However, I'd agree with Mc Conville - it was always an issue when you could see him getting bored.
Says it all when Brolly was insulted by that bored comment and than made exactly the same accusation against O' Rourke.
I thought RTE should also clear out Spillane and O' Rourke but its a very broad audience they are catering to and viewer surveys may be supporting their retention.
I was always amazed no-one clobbered Joe live on air because his antics would be extremely irritating.

The argument is always presented as extremes - it's either a sole choice of the pub analysis and stories or it's all statistics.
However, the reality is we need both - the broad brush analysis and then select statistics to illuminate that.
Personally, I want the pundit to talk about what just happened but also go in depth into why it happened - what one team did to make it happen and what the other team did to stop it happening, etc. - why it works against Team A but it wont work against Team B, etc.

The other thing I have a real dislike for is the obvious bias from some of the pundits and often rank hypocrisy - you would think Meath had been a team of nuns when you hear O' Rourke talk about fouling!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Taylor on June 11, 2021, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: MC on June 11, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
I'm never sure what to make of him - its extremes of sincerity to absolute wind-up.
He can be very astute - I was always taken aback by his early comments in the Donegal v Dublin semi-final when Dublin seemed to be on top.
However, I'd agree with Mc Conville - it was always an issue when you could see him getting bored.
Says it all when Brolly was insulted by that bored comment and than made exactly the same accusation against O' Rourke.
I thought RTE should also clear out Spillane and O' Rourke but its a very broad audience they are catering to and viewer surveys may be supporting their retention.
I was always amazed no-one clobbered Joe live on air because his antics would be extremely irritating.

The argument is always presented as extremes - it's either a sole choice of the pub analysis and stories or it's all statistics.
However, the reality is we need both - the broad brush analysis and then select statistics to illuminate that.
Personally, I want the pundit to talk about what just happened but also go in depth into why it happened - what one team did to make it happen and what the other team did to stop it happening, etc. - why it works against Team A but it wont work against Team B, etc.

The other thing I have a real dislike for is the obvious bias from some of the pundits and often rank hypocrisy - you would think Meath had been a team of nuns when you hear O' Rourke talk about fouling!

Disagree.

Just because you or your team mates did something in the past in no way should stop you from calling it  out today if you are a pundit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: MC on June 11, 2021, 03:15:46 PM
I've no issue with anything being called out - it's the manner in which they do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on June 11, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
What percentage of terrestrial TV viewership want in analysis? 15%?

Most don't care!

My wife the kids will watch sport. They will get emotionally involved. But they care little for analysis. Not unless there is a controversial decision or someone makes a mistake and it affect the result in a negative way to the result they wanted. And that's not analysis.

The rest is Punch and Judy.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2021, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
What percentage of terrestrial TV viewership want in analysis? 15%?

Most don't care!

My wife the kids will watch sport. They will get emotionally involved. But they care little for analysis. Not unless there is a controversial decision or someone makes a mistake and it affect the result in a negative way to the result they wanted. And that's not analysis.

The rest is Punch and Judy.

So why even bother having any pundits giving analysis then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 11, 2021, 11:33:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
What percentage of terrestrial TV viewership want in analysis? 15%?

Most don't care!

My wife the kids will watch sport. They will get emotionally involved. But they care little for analysis. Not unless there is a controversial decision or someone makes a mistake and it affect the result in a negative way to the result they wanted. And that's not analysis.

The rest is Punch and Judy.
Same here. I like the analysis but the young buck has zero interest on tv analysis but will happily watch some tubes on YouTube talk shite about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on June 12, 2021, 12:08:41 AM
More football less shite talk

Look no further

https://youtu.be/vz3XVPGWMUI
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 12, 2021, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.

Nail on the head. The commentator and Co commentator far more important for me. Those are the ones who need to tell the viewer what's happening. Martin Carney, Martin McHugh. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tiempo on June 12, 2021, 12:54:40 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 12, 2021, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
WRT pundits, I never bother with the lads/ladies at half time, but the pundits co comparing during the game are more important.

McStay and his americanisms does my banger in.

Hurling wise I like Duignan and Donal O'Grady.

Nail on the head. The commentator and Co commentator far more important for me. Those are the ones who need to tell the viewer what's happening. Martin Carney, Martin McHugh. Jesus wept.

Martin McHugh, wise after the fact 🥱

McStay treats it like an interview for the Mayo job, next parish New Yark

Hard to look past Jimmy Smyth
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on June 12, 2021, 07:32:40 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

So, if you ignore the 90% of waffle, insults,  made-up stories, and demeaning of amateur players, you'll find he can make a point?
Well, couldn't we just listen to someone who doesn't spout 90% shite?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on June 12, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
What percentage of terrestrial TV viewership want in analysis? 15%?

Most don't care!

My wife the kids will watch sport. They will get emotionally involved. But they care little for analysis. Not unless there is a controversial decision or someone makes a mistake and it affect the result in a negative way to the result they wanted. And that's not analysis.

The rest is Punch and Judy.

I think this is increasingly true. Attention spans with the younger generation are much lower. The half time break is a chance to get a comfort break and attention moves to their IPhone or elsewhere not some ex player talking about turnovers and transitions. It has to be something entertaining to hold their attention. Some of these pundits take themselves and their roles far too seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 02:33:07 PM
Canavan on Sky gives a level of analysis that makes every one of RTE pundits look like rank amateurs
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on June 21, 2021, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on June 13, 2021, 02:33:07 PM
Canavan on Sky gives a level of analysis that makes every one of RTE pundits look like rank amateurs

Aye, but his voice is like the boring priest in Father Ted.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on June 21, 2021, 10:11:49 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 12, 2021, 07:32:40 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: APM on June 10, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2021, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Yeah it's the personal attacks. Let's not forget that's why he is out of RTE and he was warned. He wasn't a victim from one incident here.

The political stuff should have been separate and they didn't seem to seperate it mind you but I dunno what he wants to achieve here.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

It was primarily down to a change in the head of RTE sport and his change away from personality based pundits to more game based analysis. Has the standard of pundit on RTE improved since the new head came in, I don't think so. I watched the Ireland match last night and didn't tune into the analysis yet this used to often be the best entertainment of the night. Wondering what Dunphy and Giles would say and how Bill knew how to press their buttons.

I do get the fact that some people want stats based analysis and information on KPIs but if I want that type of information I'll sign up for a coaching seminar. It just doesn't interest me.

This looks like the real reason he was sacked

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/no-regrets-from-rte-chief-mcbennett-over-axing-of-controversial-pundit-brolly-39487035.html

"I don't think you can just cover it the same way you've always done. People want to learn more. It's simply not good enough to come out with the same scenario... the old days were good, this is awful. "

Dublin's  hegemony is a huge problem for anyone selling ads linked to.sports coverage. TV sport is about drama and the all Ireland endgame doesn't have any..

Using that metric, Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke should be gone too then!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Spillane in particular should be gone on that basis.  The interesting thing about Brolly that McConville seemed to uncover was that he is capable of giving far more incisive analysis, but he chose not to do so. He worked on the basis that people tuned into to hear a yarn at half time and for a good portion of the population he was probably right. 

My view of Brolly is that once you accept him for what he is, he is quite enjoyable to listen to.  His rant on Cavanagh was really good TV and for the most part he was dead right about the cynicism.  He articulated it very well; the notion that they were celebrating but that they had achieved something rotten.  There was hyperbole, but it was worth it as the point needed to be made.  Can you imagine any other pundit saying it. 

I could live without Spillane as there was no-one else who pedaled the myth as much as him that it was better in the 70s like him.  Pure crap analysis. 

It's grand to have the detailed analysis of tactics and formulations.  However, its great to have someone to spark a debate. There's no harm in the devil's advocate.

Paddy Heaney once had a very accurate article in the Irish News about GAA attendances depending heavily on the average drinking man.  They aren't there to examine tactics and they aren't that committed.  They are there to enjoy themselves, have a day out, a few pints and roar on their team.  He talked about them being priced out the gate by rising ticket costs.  The average drinking man is probably sitting at home or in the pub, and isn't a bit worried about which team made the most unforced errors.  It's the likes of Brolly, Spillane etc that keeps these guys engaged.

Oisin made that point, but Brolly refuted it in the interview and I have to say I agree with Brolly on that.
Once you cut through the bluster and the "entertainment", Brolly gave some very good insights into the games. I think a lot of people couldn't see past Brolly the entertainer far enough to actually listen to the analyst.
Of course that's a problem for a pundit too, but to be fair to brolly IMO he was rarely too far off the mark in terms of analysis.
I actually find McConnville (and Canavan for that matter) really difficult to listen to due to their tone of voice. The bore the arse of me to be honest.

So, if you ignore the 90% of waffle, insults,  made-up stories, and demeaning of amateur players, you'll find he can make a point?
Well, couldn't we just listen to someone who doesn't spout 90% shite?

Don't ignore it, accept it for what it is and for what Brolly himself says it is.....barstool conversation, personal opinion and a bit of craic. That's the entertainment part and it generally sits on top of some decent analysis.

Canavan doesn't spout "shite" as you call it, but you couldn't listen to him. He'd put an insomniac to sleep as would the majority of other pundits.

I know what I'd rather watch on The Sunday Game.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on June 21, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
I'd prefer to watch more action and less blather
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: keep her low this half on June 21, 2021, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
I'd prefer to watch more action and less blather

This times 1,000. An hour and a half of the Sunday game and about 20 minutes of actual hurling/football the rest auld shite analysis. Feck that 1 hour 15 of action, 15 minutes analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on June 21, 2021, 03:55:48 PM
TG4 monday night has it right. Show more of the games. Sure any sunday game etc I would just record and fast forward through.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Scarlet on June 21, 2021, 09:24:03 PM
It actually takes more time to edit down a match to 45 seconds than to let a proper highlights package of 3-4 minutes roll on.
Like there are times when serious passes or skill are never seen even though there are cameras there. And then it cuts back to studio to lads who simply could not have seen anything about the game and they will waffle on.

They don't need to have a generic comment on every game, just play more match highlights! The whole Brolly thing was great for a bit when his clips started getting the social media traction but then they pulled back and went safe.

Overall the standard is very bad. Like in Euro 2020 the lack of homework done by the panel at times is really poor, even for the bigger teams. Constantly stopping to check notes for names and so on.

It's talk for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: greatpoint on June 22, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
Brolly on Cavan:

QuoteWhat has happened to Cavan? Their vibrant Ulster championship, all courage and togetherness, men chasing after lost causes and diving into danger like lunatics, has disappeared from memory quicker than Donald Trump.

If they keep going the way they are at the moment, this time next year they will be in Division 5 with Kilkenny, the Aran islands, Siberian Gaels, Warwickshire over 40s and the PSNI.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armagh18 on June 22, 2021, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 22, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
Brolly on Cavan:

QuoteWhat has happened to Cavan? Their vibrant Ulster championship, all courage and togetherness, men chasing after lost causes and diving into danger like lunatics, has disappeared from memory quicker than Donald Trump.

If they keep going the way they are at the moment, this time next year they will be in Division 5 with Kilkenny, the Aran islands, Siberian Gaels, Warwickshire over 40s and the PSNI.
Fair play that is a cracker
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Solo_run on June 27, 2021, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2021, 05:31:07 PM
I think what it really comes down to is that Brolly is just an ignorant p***k. "Houl on", putting his hands in people's faces, and then when others are speaking he was constantly interrupting and trying to cut in. Whatever you think of Spillane, Whelan etc, and their analysis, they should at least be given the time and opportunity to speak. With Brolly around, they rarely got that.

The other pundits were having to talk louder to drown out Brollys constant interrupting, and on occasion having to tell him to shut up (I think Whelan told him to be quiet once, and he was right to do so). There's nothing more annoying than someone chirping in your ear when you're trying to talk. Even more annoying if you're being paid to talk.

But again, cutting in and talking over people is another narcissistic trait. What you have to say isn't important, now listen to me because what I have to say is important

Couldn't agree more with this. I find it incredibly ignorant when he does this shit. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on July 27, 2021, 10:40:12 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09qlgtm
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on July 27, 2021, 10:58:32 PM
Utv had a great show on a Thursday about 20 years ago. Discussion based around the championship in every province. Adrian Logan was the chair, along with some weather man. They had a few mainstay analysts along with guest appearances from counties down south. Twas entertainment, nothing like it anymore. Think Damian Barton used to be on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rich Ricci on July 27, 2021, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 27, 2021, 10:58:32 PM
Utv had a great show on a Thursday about 20 years ago. Discussion based around the championship in every province. Adrian Logan was the chair, along with some weather man. They had a few mainstay analysts along with guest appearances from counties down south. Twas entertainment, nothing like it anymore. Think Damian Barton used to be on it.

End to End. Remember watching it as a kid. Great viewing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 27, 2021, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 27, 2021, 10:58:32 PM
Utv had a great show on a Thursday about 20 years ago. Discussion based around the championship in every province. Adrian Logan was the chair, along with some weather man. They had a few mainstay analysts along with guest appearances from counties down south. Twas entertainment, nothing like it anymore. Think Damian Barton used to be on it.

Damian Barton would have put you to sleep
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on July 27, 2021, 11:37:53 PM
Houly , Barton, Mitchell and Logie
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on July 28, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 27, 2021, 10:40:12 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09qlgtm

Listened to this last night.  Great programme.  Small number of speakers, one topic, is a great format. Let's them get under the skin of different themes.  Thomas Niblock a very good presenter and has done some good stuff. They might as well be in the bar.   

BBC's online stuff is very good, but on the flip side, the prominence of the GAA on the BBC is now much lower.  Never carried on FM Radio which is complete bollix if you are somewhere with no internet connection.  Yet they continue to dedicate Saturdays to the Irish League.  I also noticed that there is plenty of GAA on the BBC NI Sport website, but with the exception of the championship games, there was no reporting of it on the BBC NI homepage. 

End to End wasn't really that great was it.  I didn't really like Logan on it and he really didn't seem to like having Frank Mitchell McClory there. The format was pretty awkward. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on July 28, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

Listened to that recently.

What an absolute slabber Brolly is. This interview reinforced to me that all Brolly cares about is Brolly. He doesn't want to talk about the game. He just wants to cause controversy so that he's the talking point.

He said Oisin's punditry wasn't memorable. A pundit says their bit, and you move on. Oisin is a very good, level headed pundit but you don't really remember it, because he very rarely causes controversy or doesn't behave like an child. Once the games over, you park it and move onto the next. Nobody remembers any of Brollys punditry, only the childish rants, ignorant behaviour and personal insults. That's not something to be remembered for.

An absolute narcissist, who is clearly missing the limelight.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on July 28, 2021, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 28, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

Listened to that recently.

What an absolute slabber Brolly is. This interview reinforced to me that all Brolly cares about is Brolly. He doesn't want to talk about the game. He just wants to cause controversy so that he's the talking point.

He said Oisin's punditry wasn't memorable. A pundit says their bit, and you move on. Oisin is a very good, level headed pundit but you don't really remember it, because he very rarely causes controversy or doesn't behave like an child. Once the games over, you park it and move onto the next. Nobody remembers any of Brollys punditry, only the childish rants, ignorant behaviour and personal insults. That's not something to be remembered for.

An absolute narcissist, who is clearly missing the limelight.

Depends if you want to be entertained or educated.

Oisin will educate you on what is going on, Joe tries to entertain, that's his thing but he's ever more becoming a parody of himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on July 28, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 28, 2021, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 28, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

Listened to that recently.

What an absolute slabber Brolly is. This interview reinforced to me that all Brolly cares about is Brolly. He doesn't want to talk about the game. He just wants to cause controversy so that he's the talking point.

He said Oisin's punditry wasn't memorable. A pundit says their bit, and you move on. Oisin is a very good, level headed pundit but you don't really remember it, because he very rarely causes controversy or doesn't behave like an child. Once the games over, you park it and move onto the next. Nobody remembers any of Brollys punditry, only the childish rants, ignorant behaviour and personal insults. That's not something to be remembered for.

An absolute narcissist, who is clearly missing the limelight.

Depends if you want to be entertained or educated.

Oisin will educate you on what is going on, Joe tries to entertain, that's his thing but he's ever more becoming a parody of himself.

The majority of sports TV pundits do neither. McConville is one of the better pundits on TV and one of the few whose opinion I would respect. Brolly is probably the most articulate and entertaining but he is also the most infuriating. He clearly has the capacity and intelligence but his personality trait means that he always has to try to be the star of the show. I would suggest that the only format that suits him at this stage is either a podcast of his own with no other guests or a newspaper column.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: APM on July 28, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 28, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 28, 2021, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 28, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2021, 08:23:11 PM
Brolly v Oisin  McConville  https://t.co/K5Ra4pfnVZ?amp=1

Listened to that recently.

What an absolute slabber Brolly is. This interview reinforced to me that all Brolly cares about is Brolly. He doesn't want to talk about the game. He just wants to cause controversy so that he's the talking point.

He said Oisin's punditry wasn't memorable. A pundit says their bit, and you move on. Oisin is a very good, level headed pundit but you don't really remember it, because he very rarely causes controversy or doesn't behave like an child. Once the games over, you park it and move onto the next. Nobody remembers any of Brollys punditry, only the childish rants, ignorant behaviour and personal insults. That's not something to be remembered for.

An absolute narcissist, who is clearly missing the limelight.

Depends if you want to be entertained or educated.

Oisin will educate you on what is going on, Joe tries to entertain, that's his thing but he's ever more becoming a parody of himself.

The majority of sports TV pundits do neither. McConville is one of the better pundits on TV and one of the few whose opinion I would respect. Brolly is probably the most articulate and entertaining but he is also the most infuriating. He clearly has the capacity and intelligence but his personality trait means that he always has to try to be the star of the show. I would suggest that the only format that suits him at this stage is either a podcast of his own with no other guests or a newspaper column.   

I think that's well put.  He has become a parody of himself in many ways.  I think I heard somewhere that he said having the kidney transplant gave him more confidence.  If there was one man that didn't need more confidence........

He did manage to articulate a reasonably good league and championship format on that programme (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09qlgtm), which he explained was only a slight amendment to previous Sean Kelly proposals.  McConville had ideas as well, but didn't articulate them as well.  However, it was well-chaired by Niblock and they brought something useful to the debate. 

I would say some of you won't bother listening to it because it's Brolly.  I'd say a good few more will listen to it, but won't hear anything he says, because you're too busy finding things to get annoyed about.  But it is worth a listen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on July 29, 2021, 01:02:22 AM
Forget Joe.  In terms of analysis, Martin Clarke is really excellent.  Great football knowledge with no side-show.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on July 29, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 29, 2021, 01:02:22 AM
Forget Joe.  In terms of analysis, Martin Clarke is really excellent.  Great football knowledge with no side-show.

I would agree with that. Marty Clarke and Oisín are probably my two favourite pundits at the minute.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on July 29, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
I think RTE need Joe back. The analysis each week is stale, sterile and dull. I would also suggest that it appears to be very scripted.
I agree that Joe has become a parody of himself but he most certainly gives a reason to tune in a HT, knows the game and is entertaining. At the moment I go put the kettle on and wait for the 2nd half to start.

Cora Staunton and Ciaran Whelan deliver zero additional insight and are a bore fest. PC gone mad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on July 29, 2021, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 29, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 29, 2021, 01:02:22 AM
Forget Joe.  In terms of analysis, Martin Clarke is really excellent.  Great football knowledge with no side-show.

I would agree with that. Marty Clarke and Oisín are probably my two favourite pundits at the minute.
And Oisín is much better in the pundit role than co-commentating. The last person you'd want in the pundit chair alongside those two would be Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thewobbler on July 30, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Whelan is GAA punditry's equivalent of Rio Ferdinand. A cheerleader for the Dubs, who offers no insight and hasn't the interest or acumen to do research on any other team.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on July 30, 2021, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
I think RTE need Joe back. The analysis each week is stale, sterile and dull. I would also suggest that it appears to be very scripted.
I agree that Joe has become a parody of himself but he most certainly gives a reason to tune in a HT, knows the game and is entertaining. At the moment I go put the kettle on and wait for the 2nd half to start.

Cora Staunton and Ciaran Whelan deliver zero additional insight and are a bore fest. PC gone mad.

Dead on Joe. We'll tell the Director General.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: StPatsAbu on July 30, 2021, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
I think RTE need Joe back. The analysis each week is stale, sterile and dull. I would also suggest that it appears to be very scripted.
I agree that Joe has become a parody of himself but he most certainly gives a reason to tune in a HT, knows the game and is entertaining. At the moment I go put the kettle on and wait for the 2nd half to start.

Cora Staunton and Ciaran Whelan deliver zero additional insight and are a bore fest. PC gone mad.
A complete knob-end who made his name by slating players' and managers' character and values while sleazing around strip clubs himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 03, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
I think RTE need Joe back. The analysis each week is stale, sterile and dull. I would also suggest that it appears to be very scripted.
I agree that Joe has become a parody of himself but he most certainly gives a reason to tune in a HT, knows the game and is entertaining. At the moment I go put the kettle on and wait for the 2nd half to start.

Cora Staunton and Ciaran Whelan deliver zero additional insight and are a bore fest. PC gone mad.

100% agree.
I think Joanne Cantwell is awful too. She may be knowledgable, but god she'd bore you to tears.
Cooper and O'Se I think are good when they are on.
But there's no comparison to Brolly/Spillane/O'Rourke. You'd tune in just to hear them.

Marty Clarke is the best of the bbc bunch. I don't like McConnville/McHugh/Harte. Though in saying that, I'd listen to Harte more to get an idea of how he thinks about the game in general terms rather than in game analysis.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TabClear on August 03, 2021, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 03, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
I think RTE need Joe back. The analysis each week is stale, sterile and dull. I would also suggest that it appears to be very scripted.
I agree that Joe has become a parody of himself but he most certainly gives a reason to tune in a HT, knows the game and is entertaining. At the moment I go put the kettle on and wait for the 2nd half to start.

Cora Staunton and Ciaran Whelan deliver zero additional insight and are a bore fest. PC gone mad.

100% agree.
I think Joanne Cantwell is awful too. She may be knowledgable, but god she'd bore you to tears.
Cooper and O'Se I think are good when they are on.
But there's no comparison to Brolly/Spillane/O'Rourke. You'd tune in just to hear them.

Marty Clarke is the best of the bbc bunch. I don't like McConnville/McHugh/Harte. Though in saying that, I'd listen to Harte more to get an idea of how he thinks about the game in general terms rather than in game analysis.

As long as he is not talking about hawkeye...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on September 20, 2021, 11:20:27 AM
Irish News has a two part interview with himself this week.
Part One in today's paper.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bord na Mona man on September 20, 2021, 01:46:39 PM
The problem is, you can have analysis, or you can have entertainment. It's hard to get both.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on September 20, 2021, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 20, 2021, 01:46:39 PM
The problem is, you can have analysis, or you can have entertainment. It's hard to get both.
You are on the money, absolutely correct
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on August 06, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
Joe Broly married Mayo and Knockmore woman Laurita Blewitt (3rd Cousin of Joe Biden) in an intimate ceremony in Mayo today.


(https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/1f500/41894269.ece/AUTOCROP/h530/7%20copy.jpg)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2022, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
Joe Broly married Mayo and Knockmore woman Laurita Blewitt (3rd Cousin of Joe Biden) in an intimate ceremony in Mayo today.


(https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/1f500/41894269.ece/AUTOCROP/h530/7%20copy.jpg)
Was Joe married before?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 06, 2022, 08:27:39 PM
Stage 1 of the Mayo Scoring Forwards Project
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2022, 08:35:31 PM
Thats the end of the tittie bars for the forseeable
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on August 06, 2022, 10:58:27 PM
Unfortunate name of bride & maybe for Mayo footballers too. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on August 07, 2022, 08:24:31 PM
Didn't realise it was your one from the Podcasts... fair play to them!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: illdecide on September 01, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Guys there is a Joe Brolly on Twitter and I don't know if it's the "real Joe Brolly" or an imposter but whoever it is they're stalking the DUP and ripping the middle outta them every tweet they post. Some of the replies are classic Joe and you'd def say that's the wee Dungiven hoor alright but then it's constant all day every day which makes me think it's an imposter as how would he have such time on his hands...Any of you notice this or follow Joe on twitter?.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2022, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 01, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Guys there is a Joe Brolly on Twitter and I don't know if it's the "real Joe Brolly" or an imposter but whoever it is they're stalking the DUP and ripping the middle outta them every tweet they post. Some of the replies are classic Joe and you'd def say that's the wee Dungiven hoor alright but then it's constant all day every day which makes me think it's an imposter as how would he have such time on his hands...Any of you notice this or follow Joe on twitter?.

It's definitely him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: paddyjohn on September 01, 2022, 11:43:32 AM
Fair play to him. He has them eating outta the palm of his hand. He is showing them up to be the illbred, inbred ignorant tramps they are.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5times5times on September 01, 2022, 11:48:58 AM
Care to post in screenshots for those not as technologically advanced as yourself and without Twitter???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: charlieTully on September 01, 2022, 12:02:20 PM
Emma not impressed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
Some of what he says is right, but he's making a **** of himself. Him and Pengelly are exactly the same. Two doses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
Emma is a bitter sectarian auld wench though. Brolly is a dose so matches in that regard but she's not a nice person at all.

He has went a bit far with all that IRA IRA IRA stuff though he has a point too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
Emma is a bitter sectarian auld wench though. Brolly is a dose so matches in that regard but she's not a nice person at all.

He has went a bit far with all that IRA IRA IRA stuff though he has a point too.

She is to be fair. And she can't even win an election. Her own side hate her ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 12:29:15 PM
Emma is a bitter sectarian auld wench though. Brolly is a dose so matches in that regard but she's not a nice person at all.

He has went a bit far with all that IRA IRA IRA stuff though he has a point too.

Joe has taken it to the extreme to highlight the hypocrisy of those now jumping at him for his IRA IRA tweet..

Unionism as I've said before won't accept that the UDR/RUC/British Army were very much protagonists during the troubles even when there's evidence staring them in the face.
A few bad apples isn't acceptable anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 01, 2022, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on September 01, 2022, 11:48:58 AM
Care to post in screenshots for those not as technologically advanced as yourself and without Twitter???
Do you know how to post screenshots into a message?

I copied and pasted a few of Joe's tweets into a reply on the DUP c*ntwatch thread.

As we all know, Joe loves everybody talking about Joe, so let's get Joe feelin' groovy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 01, 2022, 03:29:46 PM
I can't figure out where he gets the time
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Unionism as I've said before won't accept that the UDR/RUC/British Army were very much protagonists during the troubles even when there's evidence staring them in the face.
A few bad apples isn't acceptable anymore.

I think that's debatable.

But he's absolutely right about the DUP etc. cynically banging on all the time about the PIRA. The DUP are openly consulting and standing for pictures with active paramilitaries, paramilitaries who are threatened violence against nationalist politicians, murdering people, dealing drugs and destroying their own areas. There's definitely been a backlash after the many unflattering exhibitions of toxic unionist culture over the summer and trying to find anything to try twist the narrative to attack nationalists etc.

I think the DUP/TUV are struggling in that SF are mostly avoiding any controversy, quietly moving anyone from the PIRA into the background and promoting a lot of women(who are harder to demonise).

The faux outrage over MO'N saying she thought there was no alternative, while acknowledging people will disagree, was ridiculous. What was surprising about that opinion from a SF politician?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 04:33:51 PM
There is a belter of a reply to Carla Lockhart from a guy Ogle who's the son of a guy who was murdered in 2019 by the UVF in east belfast. They really are nothing but hypocrites. He basically asked her why her party is standing with known UVF members when his father was murdered by them in 2019.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Unionism as I've said before won't accept that the UDR/RUC/British Army were very much protagonists during the troubles even when there's evidence staring them in the face.
A few bad apples isn't acceptable anymore.

I think that's debatable.

But he's absolutely right about the DUP etc. cynically banging on all the time about the PIRA. The DUP are openly consulting and standing for pictures active paramilitaries, paramilitaries who are threatened violence against nationalist politicians, murdering people, dealing drugs and destroying their own areas. There's definitely been a backlash after the many unflattering exhibitions of toxic unionist culture over the summer and trying to find anything to try twist the narrative to attack nationalists etc.

I think the DUP/TUV are struggling in that SF are mostly avoiding any controversy, quietly moving anyone from the PIRA into the background and promoting a lot of women(who are harder to demonise).

The faux outrage over MO'N saying she thought there was no alternative, while acknowledging people will disagree, was ridiculous. What was surprising about that opinion from a SF politician?

what part is debatable?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Unionism as I've said before won't accept that the UDR/RUC/British Army were very much protagonists during the troubles even when there's evidence staring them in the face.
A few bad apples isn't acceptable anymore.

I think that's debatable.

But he's absolutely right about the DUP etc. cynically banging on all the time about the PIRA. The DUP are openly consulting and standing for pictures with active paramilitaries, paramilitaries who are threatened violence against nationalist politicians, murdering people, dealing drugs and destroying their own areas. There's definitely been a backlash after the many unflattering exhibitions of toxic unionist culture over the summer and trying to find anything to try twist the narrative to attack nationalists etc.

I think the DUP/TUV are struggling in that SF are mostly avoiding any controversy, quietly moving anyone from the PIRA into the background and promoting a lot of women(who are harder to demonise).

The faux outrage over MO'N saying she thought there was no alternative, while acknowledging people will disagree, was ridiculous. What was surprising about that opinion from a SF politician?

what part is debatable?

Sorry misread, thought you wrote the / the main protagonists. That they were protagonists is without doubt. I'd add DUP and Paisley themselves as protagonists. Looking at Paisley's early activites, long before the PIRA was formed, is very informative.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 04:33:51 PM
There is a belter of a reply to Carla Lockhart from a guy Ogle who's the son of a guy who was murdered in 2019 by the UVF in east belfast. They really are nothing but hypocrites. He basically asked her why her party is standing with known UVF members when his father was murdered by them in 2019.

Absolutely. They do absolutely nothing for the people they claim to represent. They claim to want to protect the union, but are doing everything possible to destroy it. DUP only cares about their own interests. The many clear examples of corruption is very rarely addressed. Ian Óg and his holidays and I believe he is happy to help with planning etc. if you ask nicely.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CK_Redhand on September 01, 2022, 05:30:55 PM
Surely the word yous are looking for is "antagonists"?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 04:33:51 PM
There is a belter of a reply to Carla Lockhart from a guy Ogle who's the son of a guy who was murdered in 2019 by the UVF in east belfast. They really are nothing but hypocrites. He basically asked her why her party is standing with known UVF members when his father was murdered by them in 2019.

Absolutely. They do absolutely nothing for the people they claim to represent. They claim to want to protect the union, but are doing everything possible to destroy it. DUP only cares about their own interests. The many clear examples of corruption is very rarely addressed. Ian Óg and his holidays and I believe he is happy to help with planning etc. if you ask nicely.

As I keep saying - the party that has done most to further the cause of a united ireland is the dup and they keep doing it.

They are in the main bad people who have no problem raking in money at the expense of others and fraternising with paramilitaries and then chastising others for what they do themselves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on September 02, 2022, 06:32:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2022, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2022, 04:33:51 PM
There is a belter of a reply to Carla Lockhart from a guy Ogle who's the son of a guy who was murdered in 2019 by the UVF in east belfast. They really are nothing but hypocrites. He basically asked her why her party is standing with known UVF members when his father was murdered by them in 2019.

Absolutely. They do absolutely nothing for the people they claim to represent. They claim to want to protect the union, but are doing everything possible to destroy it. DUP only cares about their own interests. The many clear examples of corruption is very rarely addressed. Ian Óg and his holidays and I believe he is happy to help with planning etc. if you ask nicely.

As I keep saying - the party that has done most to further the cause of a united ireland is the dup and they keep doing it.

They are in the main bad people who have no problem raking in money at the expense of others and fraternising with paramilitaries and then chastising others for what they do themselves.
Plus whoring for a Hard Brexit and neglecting the economy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on September 04, 2022, 12:42:22 PM
Typical Brolly, in what is more than likely yet another made up story "a friend" from Roscommon told him the ref was a bit of a p***k but didn't deserve that

Think we know who the p***k is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on September 04, 2022, 12:51:12 PM
Maybe, but he is absolutely correct about the attitudes towards refs in GAA culture.

His statement about the ref giving the other team soft frees and your own team nothing? You see it played out on these pages every summer, especially among the supporters from well-represented Ulster teams. Ref is always a w**ker who is biased against them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on September 04, 2022, 11:15:23 PM
It would be great to compile a series of clips with 10 secs to decide if something is a foul or not. All teams from U14 up should be made test themselves on these, I suspect that some of the loudest mouths would not do so well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 05, 2022, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on September 04, 2022, 12:42:22 PM
Typical Brolly, in what is more than likely yet another made up story "a friend" from Roscommon told him the ref was a bit of a p***k but didn't deserve that

Think we know who the p***k is

Yes typical Joe Brolly. Back in December he had this to say in the indo

Quote

The bad old days of referee abuse in the GAA are long gone and good behaviour is the norm. Thankfully, abuse of referees is not as common as it used to be in GAA.


I guess he had no invisible friend to chat too back then?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Puckoon on August 09, 2023, 05:12:21 AM
Did Anyone listen to the RedLines with Mark Caruthers?

Joe is a well rounded individual. To be taken seriously.

Except for his hatred of Tyrone  :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g3zthw (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g3zthw)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 09, 2023, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 09, 2023, 05:12:21 AM
Did Anyone listen to the RedLines with Mark Caruthers?

Joe is a well rounded individual. To be taken seriously.

Except for his hatred of Tyrone  :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g3zthw (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g3zthw)

A buffoon. I haven't listened to the red lines podcast just yet but friends raved about his Free State podcast. So I gave it a go. f**k me, it's a one man diatribe. Dion Fanning who hosts it can't get a word in edgeways. Joe just rants on about whatever point he wants to make and he's the most important voice. The RTE stuff was utterly bizarre. 2 hours of Joe settling scores. It had serious Father Ted Golden Cleric speech vibes. He's not to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on August 09, 2023, 12:03:52 PM
It's the perfect forum for Joe.  He can ramble on and wont really be challenged or put off the show.  That being said, I still find it entertaining in the main.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on August 09, 2023, 01:11:39 PM
He's just a total narcissist. Listened to his podcast last week about self-help books. It's a topic he's spoken about many times on different platforms and every time, he ends up just using it as an excuse to make some really quite nasty and vitriolic attacks on Enda McNulty purely because Enda apparently wrote a few such self-help books. He told some story on last weeks episode about how he and Enda were once both speaking at a school prizegiving in Newry and the general gist of the whole story was: 'When Enda's speech was over, I was introduced as the main speaker and I got up and belittled Enda and oh the place exploded and everyone thought I was hilarious'. I've listened to most of his podcasts (since most are about post conflict society in the north and he's generally provides a good analysis of where it's at and eloquently makes a mockery of the free-stater 'I know better' bulls**t analysis provided by Dion Fanning) but f**k me he really doesn't miss an opportunity to remind everyone that he went to Trinity and that he does lots for charity. I've lost count of the number of times of late that I've heard/read him mention how he recently had a high level meeting with senior Goldmann Sachs executives in New York ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 09, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 09, 2023, 01:11:39 PM
He's just a total narcissist. Listened to his podcast last week about self-help books. It's a topic he's spoken about many times on different platforms and every time, he ends up just using it as an excuse to make some really quite nasty and vitriolic attacks on Enda McNulty purely because Enda apparently wrote a few such self-help books. He told some story on last weeks episode about how he and Enda were once both speaking at a school prizegiving in Newry and the general gist of the whole story was: 'When Enda's speech was over, I was introduced as the man speaker and I got up and belittled Enda and oh the place exploded and everyone thought I was hilarious'. I've listened to most of his podcasts (since most are about post conflict society in the north and he's generally provides a good analysis of where it's at and eloquently makes a mockery of the free-stater 'I know better' bulls**t analysis provided by Dion Fanning) but f**k me he really doesn't miss an opportunity to remind everyone that he went to Trinity and that he does lots for charity. I've lost count of the number of times of late that I've heard/read him mention how he recently had a high level meeting with senior Goldmann Sachs executives in New York ::)
Total narcissist is correct. Always question the motive and the accuracy of his selective narrative. On Red Lines he talks about his uncle Eunan - who was on the first St Pat's Maghera team to reach a MacRory final - yet Joe has him as a "St. Columb's Scholar". Then we have the recent personal and insulting comments on some of the current Derry team. On our best forward Shane McGuigan — "he can't run" according to Joe. The kidney donation explanation? Is he taking advice from anyone? He has left himself open to a lot of questioning in that regard, if true? And yet with his natural charm he just about seems to get paway with it - in the media. He could run out of road.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 09, 2023, 02:30:29 PM
Quote from: restorepride on August 09, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 09, 2023, 01:11:39 PM
He's just a total narcissist. Listened to his podcast last week about self-help books. It's a topic he's spoken about many times on different platforms and every time, he ends up just using it as an excuse to make some really quite nasty and vitriolic attacks on Enda McNulty purely because Enda apparently wrote a few such self-help books. He told some story on last weeks episode about how he and Enda were once both speaking at a school prizegiving in Newry and the general gist of the whole story was: 'When Enda's speech was over, I was introduced as the man speaker and I got up and belittled Enda and oh the place exploded and everyone thought I was hilarious'. I've listened to most of his podcasts (since most are about post conflict society in the north and he's generally provides a good analysis of where it's at and eloquently makes a mockery of the free-stater 'I know better' bulls**t analysis provided by Dion Fanning) but f**k me he really doesn't miss an opportunity to remind everyone that he went to Trinity and that he does lots for charity. I've lost count of the number of times of late that I've heard/read him mention how he recently had a high level meeting with senior Goldmann Sachs executives in New York ::)
Total narcissist is correct. Always question the motive and the accuracy of his selective narrative. On Red Lines he talks about his uncle Eunan - who was on the first St Pat's Maghera team to reach a MacRory final - yet Joe has him as a "St. Columb's Scholar". Then we have the recent personal and insulting comments on some of the current Derry team. On our best forward Shane McGuigan — "he can't run" according to Joe. The kidney donation explanation? Is he taking advice from anyone? He has left himself open to a lot of questioning in that regard, if true? And yet with his natural charm he just about seems to get paway with it - in the media. He could run out of road.

He has run completely out of road, hence he's ended up doing a podcast cause nobody would give him a platform.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 09, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
I still can't understand the stuff with RTE. How does he think that his personal attacks on Sean Cavanagh, Grimley or David Gough are acceptable? How does such an intelligent guy still not get this?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on August 09, 2023, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 09, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
I still can't understand the stuff with RTE. How does he think that his personal attacks on Sean Cavanagh, Grimley or David Gough are acceptable? How does such an intelligent guy still not get this?

I generally think he thinks most of his arguments out, but the RTE stuff seems to be when he is tackling a bottle of red wine.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on August 09, 2023, 03:25:23 PM
He is a complete paradox. One minute charming, thoughtful and articulate. The next minute nasty, vindictive and downright insulting. He even managed to insult Richard Ford, a Pulitzer prize winning author, on one of his Podcasts I listened to recently. Ford sounded perplexed by his line of questioning, it actually was a bit embarrassing only that you actually couldn't embarrass Joe. No doubt he is a very clever guy, a great speaker and can be funny and generous but I think he is a bit of a narcissist also and he has definitely got worse in recent years. The RTE stuff took him out of the public eye and that must have hurt him a lot and he does love settling old scores with his tongue.

Politics would not be ready for Joe Brolly although I'd love to hear Nolan try and interview him, I might even tune back into the Nolan show for that. 

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 09, 2023, 03:37:29 PM
He has been on Nolan. It's the only one I ever watched. It was kidney stuff though round some fleg protest time and was filled with some very angry people. Bryson was on it but this was way before he became a thing - tbh part of why he became a thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2023, 12:02:03 AM
He doesn't get a pass from me for representing a certain Individual, that were any opinion changed of him. Forget anything from a football basis
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 01:01:12 AM
Yet you lot still give him a platform or talk about him or listen to his podcasts

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2023, 08:42:53 AM
Who us lot, when u commenting on a gaa forum page about him??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2023, 08:42:53 AM
Who us lot, when u commenting on a gaa forum page about him??

You are talking about him on his own thread here. So yeah, you. Would you care to find out how many posts you've mentioned him?

Any publicity is good publicity, as they say
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on August 10, 2023, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 09, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
I still can't understand the stuff with RTE. How does he think that his personal attacks on Sean Cavanagh, Grimley or David Gough are acceptable? How does such an intelligent guy still not get this?

Add Marty Morrissey to that list.  There's the good side to Joe, which is the generosity of time he gives to clubs for fundraisers etc. but there's the other side that comes out more in the media.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 10, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics
He wouldn't last a month.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on August 11, 2023, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.
+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2023, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.

You seem to have all the answers to everyrhing Trailer.

You'd be an ideal politician!  8)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dire Ear on August 11, 2023, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2023, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.
+1

Exactly,  he's an attention-seeking slabber
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on August 11, 2023, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 11, 2023, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2023, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.
+1

Exactly,  he's an attention-seeking slabber

Very in sync with the topic of this thread so . . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on August 12, 2023, 01:06:06 PM
I think the keyboard warriors are entitled to their strong views on everything yet a man like Joe Brolly who I Disagree with on a lot of things gets abuse for not fitting some mould of theirs . Wake up and smell the coffee. As I get older I like people who make me think even if I disagree with them.. different mindset but I like it... because the status qui is not to be accepted and need to be called out...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rudi on August 12, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.

;D that gave me a laugh, rode miss Ireland. He is like Jay out of the inbetweeners.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2023, 07:08:35 PM
I actually don't think he enjoys Derry going well, it's sorta all lining up for, Derry to fall flat on their face, followed by what players can't cut the mustard. The whole time Gallagher was there he didn't open his mouth.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on August 12, 2023, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: Rudi on August 12, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.

;D that gave me a laugh, rode miss Ireland. He is like Jay out of the inbetweeners.

That is exactly  who he's like !!   ;D

But Jay is  entertaining. Brolly isn't.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 13, 2023, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.
The schoolboy comparison is very apt!! :)  He always wanted to be one of the lads, a 'Sur', but never was.  Pity is probably the correct emotion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 14, 2023, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2023, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 11, 2023, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:05:16 PM
He's exactly what we need in politics

Is he f**k. We've enough arseholes without him spouting shite.

You seem to have all the answers to everyrhing Trailer.

You'd be an ideal politician!  8)

I'm more suited to being a dictator.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on August 16, 2023, 07:11:01 PM
Constantly retweeting praise by grown men desperate for a pat on the back from Joe, never a good mix
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 17, 2023, 03:53:03 PM
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 17, 2023, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 23, 2023, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on August 12, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2023, 04:27:55 PM
Brolly is a schoolboy trapped in a man's body. Had to stop reading his Sindo column with all the shite in it. Endless stories about the "lads". "Night before the sigerson final we went on the lash, I rode miss Ireland and scored 2-5 the next morning. Barney Rock told me i scored the best point he ever seen" etc.

He attracts a crowd of similar minded, infantile syncophants. For the first while he was entertaining but the constant desire for validation is pathetic. I used to find him very annoying but lately I just pity him.

;D that gave me a laugh, rode miss Ireland. He is like Jay out of the inbetweeners.

He so is. lol.
I like him. I don't always agree with his points and all of his stories are at least exaggerated, but from a footballing analysis pov I always thought he's not too far off.
I do think he's been too outrageous at times, but I also think that's part of the attraction with him.
He does deliberately go on the wind up too and I think a lot of people can't differentiate him trying to make a point and winding people of for the craic, which leads to the wide range of views on him.

I do know for sure, if he wasn't on the scene, we'd have some very bland cliche driven commentators and sure there's no fun in that. Look at Sean Cavanagh ffs.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: The Trap on August 23, 2023, 02:06:25 PM
I would love to ask Joe how he gets the time to do everything......he must not need much sleep.
He has a demanding job
He must be an avid reader and keeping himself up to date with current affairs
He obviously loves sport
He loves the craic, a few pints seems to be the norm and a but of riding lol
Does he get hangovers.
Very interesting man who is very persuasive in his opinions.
Don't agree with a lot of things on GAA matters e.g.. Shane MCGuigan and that then makes me second guess his opinions on more serious matters that I don't know much about.....
Love the podcast with Dion.......and I do think he would be a great politician
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on August 23, 2023, 02:58:04 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 23, 2023, 02:06:25 PM
I would love to ask Joe how he gets the time to do everything......he must not need much sleep.
He has a demanding job
He must be an avid reader and keeping himself up to date with current affairs
He obviously loves sport
He loves the craic, a few pints seems to be the norm and a but of riding lol
Does he get hangovers.
Very interesting man who is very persuasive in his opinions.
Don't agree with a lot of things on GAA matters e.g.. Shane MCGuigan and that then makes me second guess his opinions on more serious matters that I don't know much about.....
Love the podcast with Dion.......and I do think he would be a great politician

He's spoken before about how he is an insomniac and gets very little sleep at all!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 23, 2023, 03:25:34 PM
He is very driven.Plus very talented.
.Keeping up with current affairs is easy compared to other things like being  on top of family life. His job is probably handy enough for him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 12:04:42 AM
Yeah trying to get off Loyalist drug dealers involved in dodgy activity would give a step to you day alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnnycool on August 24, 2023, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 12:04:42 AM
Yeah trying to get off Loyalist drug dealers involved in dodgy activity would give a step to you day alright.

Even they are entitled to a fair trial.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Maybe so, but don't triumph a republican background then bend over for the pound to get off a person involved in a organisation who carried out attacks on the GAA.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on August 24, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Maybe so, but don't triumph a republican background then bend over for the pound to get off a person involved in a organisation who carried out attacks on the GAA.

Lucy Letby killed God knows how many babies. She still got legal representation and nobody here took issue.

Is Irvine worse than her??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 24, 2023, 10:34:55 AM
Do barristers have a choice or are they simply allocated cases by the Court?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 24, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
Perhaps its the mark of a professional who doesn't allow the personal prejudices or opinions to get in the way of doing a professional job.
I don't know, but I wouldn't hold it against a solicitor/barrister when they do their job.
For too long in this country have we been dictated to by politicians and authorities who's decisions have been driven by personal beliefs, be that religion or race, rather than a remit to serve us all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 24, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 24, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Maybe so, but don't triumph a republican background then bend over for the pound to get off a person involved in a organisation who carried out attacks on the GAA.

Lucy Letby killed God knows how many babies. She still got legal representation and nobody here took issue.

Is Irvine worse than her??

Everyone would have taken issue if the defending senior barrister was also a public face of Barnados or some other similar vunerable children charity. That would have been a f6cked up scenario and media and maybe gaaboard (WTF thread) would have and should have called it out.

I was a small part of a serial child killer defence team several years ago so I understand the 'everyone needs a defence' angle.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:11:54 PM
Even if u fairly sure they guilty, but u job as the defence is to get them off or as liitle sentence as possible. So where in turn would the justice be there. I just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2023, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:11:54 PM
Even if u fairly sure they guilty, but u job as the defence is to get them off or as liitle sentence as possible. So where in turn would the justice be there. I just couldn't do it.

As I understand it, legal counsel never personally make that judgement, or at least never allow themselves to make that judgement -- they'll deal with the evidence as they can determine it, in relation to the individual that they are defending, or prosecuting.

It's a job, and your job as counsel is to argue the case on behalf on the individual you are representing, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on August 25, 2023, 02:39:39 PM
You are in effect the defendant  with knowledge of the law etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 04:17:29 PM
Are there QCs in the North ? How many ? Would they be very busy ? Is JB a QC or something else ? Once he knows case law he probably has space for other stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dec on August 25, 2023, 06:47:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 04:17:29 PM
Are there QCs in the North ? How many ? Would they be very busy ? Is JB a QC or something else ? Once he knows case law he probably has space for other stuff.

Not any more, they are all KCs now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: delgany on August 25, 2023, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 04:17:29 PM
Are there QCs in the North ? How many ? Would they be very busy ? Is JB a QC or something else ? Once he knows case law he probably has space for other stuff.

There are  38 KC'S- Jim Allister being one and approx 600 barristers - Joe being one !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 27, 2023, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 24, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 24, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Maybe so, but don't triumph a republican background then bend over for the pound to get off a person involved in a organisation who carried out attacks on the GAA.

Lucy Letby killed God knows how many babies. She still got legal representation and nobody here took issue.

Is Irvine worse than her??

Everyone would have taken issue if the defending senior barrister was also a public face of Barnados or some other similar vunerable children charity. That would have been a f6cked up scenario and media and maybe gaaboard (WTF thread) would have and should have called it out.

I was a small part of a serial child killer defence team several years ago so I understand the 'everyone needs a defence' angle.

The pound rules Joe. I think everything he does and says is about enriching himself. Podcasts are entertainment. Let's not lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on August 27, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
Disagree. Joe could make x5 times his salary by ignoring Gaa and political ongoings, just put head down, make QC and even more dollars. You're wide off the mark there Trailer.

He has a completely different motivation but it's not dollars.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blasmere on August 27, 2023, 07:19:59 PM
You're right Bannside, he isn't driven by money one jot.

He does like the sound of his own voice though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on August 27, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
He loves the attention. He talks a fair bit of shite but he can be good value a lot of the time too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Deerstalker on August 27, 2023, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: bannside on August 27, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
Disagree. Joe could make x5 times his salary by ignoring Gaa and political ongoings, just put head down, make QC and even more dollars. You're wide off the mark there Trailer.

He has a completely different motivation but it's not dollars.

He's a narcissist.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Franko on August 29, 2023, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 27, 2023, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 24, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 24, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Maybe so, but don't triumph a republican background then bend over for the pound to get off a person involved in a organisation who carried out attacks on the GAA.

Lucy Letby killed God knows how many babies. She still got legal representation and nobody here took issue.

Is Irvine worse than her??

Everyone would have taken issue if the defending senior barrister was also a public face of Barnados or some other similar vunerable children charity. That would have been a f6cked up scenario and media and maybe gaaboard (WTF thread) would have and should have called it out.

I was a small part of a serial child killer defence team several years ago so I understand the 'everyone needs a defence' angle.

The pound attention rules Joe. I think everything he does and says is about enriching himself attracting attention. Podcasts are entertainment. Let's not lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on August 29, 2023, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: bannside on August 27, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
Disagree. Joe could make x5 times his salary by ignoring Gaa and political ongoings, just put head down, make QC and even more dollars. You're wide off the mark there Trailer.

He has a completely different motivation but it's not dollars.

Thinking about it now.. I agree.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 29, 2023, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on August 27, 2023, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: bannside on August 27, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
Disagree. Joe could make x5 times his salary by ignoring Gaa and political ongoings, just put head down, make QC and even more dollars. You're wide off the mark there Trailer.

He has a completely different motivation but it's not dollars.

He's a narcissist.
I was thinking the same
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dunsilly King on August 29, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Read the following closely. There is alot in the signs and symptoms that is nothing close to what you think of Brolly. Surely you can all do better. Successful at college, work, financially secure. Has a family. And he certainly has an extremely caring side to him. And he is hardly upset at the slightest criticism. And he also funny to be around.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial matters. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration that they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships troubled and unfulfilling, and other people may not enjoy being around them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 29, 2023, 10:39:08 PM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on August 29, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Read the following closely. There is alot in the signs and symptoms that is nothing close to what you think of Brolly. Surely you can all do better. Successful at college, work, financially secure. Has a family. And he certainly has an extremely caring side to him. And he is hardly upset at the slightest criticism. And he also funny to be around.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial matters. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration that they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships troubled and unfulfilling, and other people may not enjoy being around them.

Grandiose Narcissist is the one you're looking for.  Trust this helps.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 30, 2023, 08:41:47 AM
I don't think that the description disproves anything. Two things - he made very personal comments with Gough, Grimley, Cavanagh and seemed to have no awareness at all that those comments were totally out of order and he very obviously holds a significant grudge against RTE and has been thriving in their shenanigans. The relationship stuff is tbh straying into personal territory so I know not very much and don't think it's right commenting on that stuff.

FWIW I don't mind him but there is stuff going on in there. He has some very good traits - see kidney etc - but also some very bad traits. Wrt who he has defended tbh I don't think in that profession you should do anything different. If you sign up to something where you believe that everyone has a right to a defense then you should probably defend anyone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on August 30, 2023, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 30, 2023, 08:41:47 AM
I don't think that the description disproves anything. Two things - he made very personal comments with Gough, Grimley, Cavanagh and seemed to have no awareness at all that those comments were totally out of order and he very obviously holds a significant grudge against RTE and has been thriving in their shenanigans. The relationship stuff is tbh straying into personal territory so I know not very much and don't think it's right commenting on that stuff.

FWIW I don't mind him but there is stuff going on in there. He has some very good traits - see kidney etc - but also some very bad traits. Wrt who he has defended tbh I don't think in that profession you should do anything different. If you sign up to something where you believe that everyone has a right to a defense then you should probably defend anyone.

And Marty Morrissey
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 10:54:12 AM
Didn't a Crossmaglen player come out few years back and say that all of Brolly's visits to Cross to watch their trainings, was absolute rubbish?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on August 30, 2023, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.


Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 31, 2023, 07:42:55 AM
The thing about Brolly and narcissism is the patterns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCuMgb2ibwY
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on August 31, 2023, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 31, 2023, 07:42:55 AM
The thing about Brolly and narcissism is the patterns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCuMgb2ibwY

"That's a true story , I wouldn't exaggerate " got the  biggest laugh.  Says a lot
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 31, 2023, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 30, 2023, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.


Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?
"Shane McGuigan can't run."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on August 31, 2023, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: restorepride on August 31, 2023, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 30, 2023, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.


Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?
"Shane McGuigan can't run."

Wise up man, that's not a story, it's an opinion. Great player but pace certainly wouldn't be his best quality
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on August 31, 2023, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 31, 2023, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: restorepride on August 31, 2023, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 30, 2023, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.


Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?
"Shane McGuigan can't run."

Wise up man, that's not a story, it's an opinion. Great player but pace certainly wouldn't be his best quality
"My Uncle Eunan was a St Columb's scholar"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on September 01, 2023, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 30, 2023, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 30, 2023, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 29, 2023, 09:50:15 PM
Reading  Brolly's columns  will prove his narcissistic side.  The president texted me ,  Rory McIlroy met me in Las Vegas and said "hey joe, fancy a pint?" ,  I was  climbing up Ayer's Rock in  the Australian desert  and two Aboriginal boys shouts "hey Brolly , Get Down from there ye Derry bollix "..... mental stuff.

Plus , he's attacked RTE on numerous  occasions. Trying to  suggest sure I didn't want to work for them  losers no more .  Rather than  the reality he was ousted , and he's  not  a big deal now . Fragile ego.

You'll never  reason    with a narcissist  . You have to njust walk away

Anyway, must go.  Jim McGuinness  has just texted again........

It's also possible that all those stories are true and so don't necessarily point to a narcissistic personality.
I don't believe any of us are qualified to diagnose a personality disorder.

I do understand why he is a marmite type character though, he's just one of those people you either love or loathe.
I always found him entertaining and generally insightful when it came to analysis.

I'd have no issues with him attacking RTE tbh. The Sunday game is much poorer, imo, without characters like Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke.
RTE were probably within their rights to get rid of him if he wasn't following their internal regulations, but I actually generally agreed with his comments on certain individuals over the years. Well perhaps not on Marty Morrissey.

He may no longer be a big deal in RTE circles, but he certainly is in his profession. He also has his newspaper columns and the podcast - so I'd say he's stil la big deal in certain sectors.

I've no issue with people disliking him or disagreeing with me on this, but I think we are a much poorer society if we don't have the ability to speak our mind on things as trivial as sport.

What's the craic with Jim now? He just texted me to say he'd been talking to Brolly about a role as a forwards coach for Donegal.  :P

He really struggled when it came general analysis and would revert back to his comfort zone of slagging and story telling most of it made up. insightful analysis for me has been done by the likes of Jim McGuinness and Enda McGinley both have put in the necessary research to what they were talking about unlike Brolly.


Ok, give us an example of a story that he's made up?

6th August 2019:
"As for RTÉ it's the public broadcaster and I enjoy it but I would never for example work for Sky or Eir. I am first and foremost a GAA man. What else do we have?"

13th January 2020 (5 months later):
"Confirmed: Joe Brolly to make TV return with eir Sport for National League"
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/confirmed-joe-brolly-to-make-tv-return-with-eir-sport-for-national-league/38857194.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/confirmed-joe-brolly-to-make-tv-return-with-eir-sport-for-national-league/38857194.html)

Asked why he joined Éir after being such a critic:
"I suppose increasingly, if you're the only one out there with a pitchfork, you're in danger of becoming irrelevant.... I think the reality is you either become irrelevant or you accept the reality. The GAA has made this decision. It's set in stone....The debate is dead. It's never going back. Look, at Congress on two or three occasions there was sort of half-hearted attempts to change it. The debate is dead. This is a niche argument and it's lost. That's the reality of it."

After Eir goes bust, Joe suddenly remembers he is deeply morally opposed to pay per view GAA:
"These games are often for the community, that's what the GAA is supposed to be....This is about elderly people all around Donegal, Sligo, Mayo.....All Ireland champions Kerry have only had one of their championship games this year on RTE. The rest have behind the RTE/GAAgo pay wall. This weekend's massive Kerry Tyrone game will not be seen by many elderly folk in both counties...It's this contemptuous treatment of our elderly people...That speaks for itself. It's something that simply should not happen."



"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." (Groucho Marx)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 01, 2023, 09:55:21 PM
Man goes to lot of effort but fails to answer question

It's a no from me
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on September 01, 2023, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.
Re presentation of 1987 Ulster Champs at 2023 Ulster Final "Earlier in the week, when it looked like Rory Gallagher was going to be on the sideline today, the group decided that we would not to go through with it".  A made up story by Joe. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 01, 2023, 11:18:04 PM
He definitely had a run in with Jarlagh Burns when he quoted burns and Burns came out and said he never said what Brolly claimed.
Did he not also make a claim about a phone call with a player and the player came out to say it never happened. This one a bit more hazy!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on September 01, 2023, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 01, 2023, 11:18:04 PM
He definitely had a run in with Jarlagh Burns when he quoted burns and Burns came out and said he never said what Brolly claimed.
Did he not also make a claim about a phone call with a player and the player came out to say it never happened. This one a bit more hazy!!

Brolly wrote: "I spoke to Jarlath Burns in Croke Park. His point was that the GAA is in a healthy position and that I am overly concerned about the direction we are taking. I said to him, 'Can you imagine if I'd said to you 10 years ago that we'd be giving a private free market company €6.5m a year to represent county players?'"

"He said, ' I never thought of it that way'."

However, Burns has disputed that version of events. Tweeting and attaching Brolly's @JoeBrolly1993 handle, he stated: "I don't recall giving that answer".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on September 02, 2023, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

There's a difference between changing your mind and being a hypocrite. Brolly has been an outspoken critic of pay per view GAA for many, many years. The only time he "changed his mind" was during the brief window where a pay per view broadcaster offered him a job. Once that broadcaster folded, he "changed his mind" back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on September 02, 2023, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 02, 2023, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

There's a difference between changing your mind and being a hypocrite. Brolly has been an outspoken critic of pay per view GAA for many, many years. The only time he "changed his mind" was during the brief window where a pay per view broadcaster offered him a job. Once that broadcaster folded, he "changed his mind" back.
+ 1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 04, 2023, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

Of course he makes up stories. He's well known well for it. At very least he exaggerates and stretches every notion he has for his own narrative. It's why RTE lost faith and the public got tired of him.
Example: He once said he was in Donegal on holidays and went into a shop and met a small group of county players buying coke, crisps and chocolates, they were on a training camp and had escaped for a while from Jimmy McGuinness and Joe claimed they commented "Aw Joe its hell on earth, we're not allowed to do anything" (I'm paraphrasing). Donegal players claim none of them ever met him in any shop.

He then used that little story to claim that McGuinness was flogging his players and they hated it. This, after being a McGuinness fanboy the year before but like most things, switched sides a short while later. Did similar with Kieran McGeeney and Paul Grimley. (Theme: Bully managers flogging their very unhappy players)

He's a barrister. He twists and churns stories to make an argument. The problem is that most smart people are now on to him and his BS. Personally I enjoy his banter and is very good in the politics sphere but it's very clear that he spins stories to back up his narrative.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: God14 on September 04, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: ck on September 04, 2023, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PM
People are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

Of course he makes up stories. He's well known well for it. At very least he exaggerates and stretches every notion he has for his own narrative. It's why RTE lost faith and the public got tired of him.
Example: He once said he was in Donegal on holidays and went into a shop and met a small group of county players buying coke, crisps and chocolates, they were on a training camp and had escaped for a while from Jimmy McGuinness and Joe claimed they commented "Aw Joe its hell on earth, we're not allowed to do anything" (I'm paraphrasing). Donegal players claim none of them ever met him in any shop.

He then used that little story to claim that McGuinness was flogging his players and they hated it. This, after being a McGuinness fanboy the year before but like most things, switched sides a short while later. Did similar with Kieran McGeeney and Paul Grimley. (Theme: Bully managers flogging their very unhappy players)

He's a barrister. He twists and churns stories to make an argument. The problem is that most smart people are now on to him and his BS. Personally I enjoy his banter and is very good in the politics sphere but it's very clear that he spins stories to back up his narrative.

The Darren McCurry one was a classic, he claimed in his column to had a pint with the tee total Dazzler!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on September 04, 2023, 10:32:21 AM
I remember reading that  Donegal story .  Remember a Crossmaglen  story that I shook my head at as well , but just  can't recall the exact details.  Needless to say , it was BS

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 04, 2023, 12:40:32 PM
Or the message he got from James McCarthy when the Derry jubilee team were having their day out in the All Ireland Final. McCarthy text him to say how he had fond memories of that team. McCarthy was 3 when Derry won the All Ireland in 1993. . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: redzone on September 04, 2023, 01:56:30 PM
He definitely made a story up about Enda Muldoon in the gaelic life. Following week there was a wee statement retracting the story. Can't mind now what it was but it wasn't to serious at the same time
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 04, 2023, 04:21:16 PM
It's a necessary requirement to use an industrial size narcissist filter while listening to Brolly,  to the rest of his spiel, have a large space where you can dump dubious spoof content.
Is there anything left? surprisingly yes, out of 60 minutes there is a good 20 to 30 minutes of Joe cranking up the populist rage against the system.
I listened to  the podcast  RTE part 1 this morning.
The first minute,
Q: Who brought  you to RTÉ Joe?
A: Well it was just after a league game against Meath, For the first time I had tried contacts lenses and I could actually get rid of the vision blur, I scored 1-6 and was given the motm. (motm? real or self awarded?). I was then interviewed post match and  being in such a vibrant off the scale of happiness mood, I gave such a brilliantly funny interview that the next week I was invited to RTE  and because they just happened to be looking for a brilliantly humorous intelligent pundit to shake things up at staid RTÉ.


Of course the important underlying point is that Joe had played all of his football career with no specs and with a serious enough vision deficiency, just imaging how much more we would have seen of Joe's superlative natural ability had he just been able to see the ball.

After that, the podcast was decent, but why did it take Joe 21 years before he outed RTE et al,  it couldn't be that it was because he was inside the tent? 

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maldini on September 05, 2023, 12:13:47 AM
He's a bit like David Brent in those episodes where he has a guest on like Roddy Collins or Pat Gilroy
Giggling in the background asking them to tell certain stories
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 05, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 04, 2023, 01:56:30 PM
He definitely made a story up about Enda Muldoon in the gaelic life. Following week there was a wee statement retracting the story. Can't mind now what it was but it wasn't to serious at the same time

If he tells a story about something that happened in a pub or at an event, he is always sitting right beside the person.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LC on September 24, 2023, 03:29:29 PM
I see JB taking a big swing at MH in the Sindo today.....no surprise there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jim Bob on September 24, 2023, 03:41:41 PM
Derry have sold their souls in shabby affair
Harte's arrival worst thing to happen since Plantation
JOE BROLLY


It is the worst thing to happen to Derry since the Plantation.
Louth GAA folk are furious. Plans had been made. Clubs had been consulted. Louth chairman Peter Fitzpatrick said he was "left in shock" after Mickey Harte dropped "the bombshell". He said when he told the players at a meeting the following day, "they were devastated".
This is the thing about professional sport. There is no loyalty. But even by the lowly standards of the GAA, this is shabby.
David Jeffrey, the legendary Linfield FC manager, said on William Crawley's Talkback programme last week: "I am surprised with Michael. There has been incredible uproar with him going to Derry. How can Derry people welcome him to their county? If I ever rocked up to the Oval, who from Glentoran would welcome me? And I can assure the Linfield football family I would never, ever go to Glentoran."
It was sickening to listen to.
William: Is this divine intervention?
Jeffrey: Michael looks to see where God is looking to lead him.
William: Which saintly intervention carried him to Derry? (laughter)
Meanwhile, Tyrone people are veering between scorn and amusement. Seán Cavanagh pointed out in his newspaper column that Mickey, when he was a Tyrone man, was strongly opposed to Tyrone Gaels coaching outside Tyrone. Owen Mulligan tweeted, "Just when I was starting to like the c**t."
The Dungiven boys' WhatsApp group has been renamed 'Mickey Harte's Apostles'. In Derry city, the gormless lad in the Derry Girls mural has had his face replaced by Mickey Harte's.
Most depressing is the fact that the younger generation don't see the problem. For them, the soccer language of the new GAA has replaced the old language of community bonds and loyalty.
The GAA has become a tawdry outfit. At least the League of Ireland declares their salaries, perks and transfer fees. In ours, it is a foul travesty. The Derry board is part of the same hypocrisy. It is one thing to sell your soul, but for Mickey Harte?
Like Donald Trump, Mickey is entirely transactional. When he was ousted as manager for life from Tyrone via a players' WhatsApp poll, his disdain for outside coaches evaporated. Turns out it had always been his dream to manage Louth. There he was, a few months later, with his Tyrone assistant Gavin Devlin, posing with the Blackstone Renault boys (of Ryan Tubridy fame) in front of a brand new Renault car and van. All smiles.
Last week, I understand Malachy O'Rourke turned down the Derry job. Within 24 hours, Gavin Devlin (whose assistant manager at Ardboe is Chrissy McKaigue) and Harte had a firm offer on the table. From there, it was only a matter of informing the Louth chairman that all his dreams had come true. As Peter Fitzpatrick said: "Mickey told me he would love to win an All-Ireland before he retires and he thinks that Derry is the best chance for him."
When the GAA investigated under-the-table payments, former GAA president Peter Quinn famously said, "We couldn't even find the tables." Since then, a professional 'elite' has taken over the game. Clubs have lost faith in their own. Counties, apart from the successful ones, have lost faith in their own.
In the last 20 years, six counties have won Sam Maguire. Armagh (Joe Kernan), Tyrone (Mickey Harte, Fergal Logan, Brian Dooher), Kerry (Jack O'Connor, Pat O'Shea, Éamonn Fitzmaurice), Cork (Conor Counihan), Dublin (Pat Gilroy, Jim Gavin, Dessie Farrell), Donegal (Jimmy McGuinness). In that same time, the hurling winners are Kilkenny (Brian Cody), Cork (Dónal O'Grady, John Allen), Tipp (Liam Sheedy, Michael Ryan), Clare (David Fitzgerald), Galway (Micheál O'Donoghue), Limerick (John Kiely). Notice anything?
I have been arguing for 15 years that the GAA should make a simple rule that only a club man can manage his club, only a county man his county. So, club and county eligibility would be precisely the same as for players. This would return the game to amateur status, save clubs and counties a fortune and most importantly protect our ideal.
An outside manager comes in and his priority is not to be beaten. Blanket defending, heavy training, little regard for the overall welfare of our boys. This has helped to produce the boring, unadventurous dross we see at senior level.
Last Sunday, I went to see Crossmolina and Castlebar B in the intermediate championship. Martin Carney is on the line for Castlebar so sweepers are outlawed. What a brilliant game of football it was, end-to-end drama with three superb goals, reminding us what football used to be like. What a contrast to the sterile, hermetic world of senior football: all life coaches and nutritionists and video analysis and stats, at the end of which Dublin or Kerry and Kilkenny or Limerick still win the All-Ireland.
I coached underage teams in my club St Brigid's for 15 years. With passion and imagination and obsession. Loved the boys. Loved being part of their development on and off the pitch. We suffered joy and disaster and death.
Once when I was teaching them the rules of goalscoring, to the vast amusement of the group, I brought a blow-up doll to training (don't ask) and put her in nets. The idea we had was that the goalie is "a figure of fun" who only saves a shot if it is kicked at him or where he wants it to be kicked. Soon, we were firing in goals easy peasy.
By the time they were skilled and understood the game, we won two under 16 championships in a row, then played in two minor finals. The boys later went on to win the under 20 championship in thrilling style.
Then, the senior management post came up and I was invited to 'apply'. Gareth Bradley, John McKenna and me, who had soldiered with these boys since they were six-year-olds in the St Bride's tiny gym (we painted goalposts on the wall) sat before an interview panel of St Brigid's trusted friends and teammates.
We were asked what our budget was. We said "nothing." We were asked what we needed. We said, "The group will sort anything we need." I said we would contest a senior final within 12 months and be champions within two years. I explained how we would do it. We left the room enthused, ready to embark on this labour of love, as we knew there were no other St Brigid's people applying.
A few days later, the chairman, a friend of mine, rang me and said, "This is the hardest phone call I have ever had to make." I put the phone down. Turns out they paid an outside manager. A psychologist and training guru.
It was of course a disaster. Heavy blanket defence. Endless meetings and video analysis. Inspirational messages. Key players drifted away. Mind-numbing football. Rubbing salt into the wound, shortly after he was appointed he rang me to see if I would "sit down with me and go through what we have." He drifted on to somewhere else.
Me? I have never recovered from that. I feel the hurt yet. I cannot be in their company. If I am, I pass myself, as though chit chatting with a stranger.
I go to the games but it is not the same. Something precious has been lost. Something more important than football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LC on September 24, 2023, 04:08:40 PM
Did not realise Chrissy McK was part of the Ardboe set up.  Between still playing at senior level for both codes for S'neil and also being their full time games development officer he is obviously a busy man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 24, 2023, 05:20:15 PM
Don't remember Brolly been overly loyal to Eamon Coleman, so he's hardly in a position to beat on about Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 24, 2023, 07:10:56 PM
He sounded more annoyed at losing out on the St Brigid's job than the Mickey Harte appointment. It was an interesting sideline, you wonder who the journeyman manager was.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on September 24, 2023, 08:38:37 PM
He is right about the "life coaches" that seem to have infiltrated GAA in the last year or two, it's absolute bollocks
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 24, 2023, 09:45:04 PM
More self sympathy and ego from Brolly. It's always all about him!

I'm sure Mickey Harte won't loose any sleep.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Derryman forever on September 24, 2023, 10:26:14 PM
What county us joe from?
What county is St Brigids in?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 24, 2023, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on September 24, 2023, 10:26:14 PMWhat county us joe from?
What county is St Brigids in?

Exactly the point. The hypocrisy is dripping off the man. He slags off all outside managers but left his own club at the first opportunity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 24, 2023, 11:02:03 PM
You get analysists like Brolly and Spillane complain about this one and that one make money out of the GAA. Both have made more money than anyone on the back of the Gaa for decades.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on September 24, 2023, 11:46:06 PM
Quote from: ck on September 24, 2023, 09:45:04 PMMore self sympathy and ego from Brolly. It's always all about him!


Absolutely. Classic narcissism.

It's always  easier for one like him to say  he could've been the  best ever coach but somebody screwed him  over.  If he'd actually  get  the role (or any role) , he might  Turn   out to be crap. 

But all turned out for the best , and brolly's massive ego is in tact.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2023, 07:13:47 AM
Quote from: God14 on September 04, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: ck on September 04, 2023, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 01, 2023, 09:30:55 PMPeople are allowed to change their mind. I still haven't heard an example of a story that he has actually made up?
Agree that he's prone to a bit of hyperbole, but actually making up a story...don't think so.

Of course he makes up stories. He's well known well for it. At very least he exaggerates and stretches every notion he has for his own narrative. It's why RTE lost faith and the public got tired of him.
Example: He once said he was in Donegal on holidays and went into a shop and met a small group of county players buying coke, crisps and chocolates, they were on a training camp and had escaped for a while from Jimmy McGuinness and Joe claimed they commented "Aw Joe its hell on earth, we're not allowed to do anything" (I'm paraphrasing). Donegal players claim none of them ever met him in any shop.

He then used that little story to claim that McGuinness was flogging his players and they hated it. This, after being a McGuinness fanboy the year before but like most things, switched sides a short while later. Did similar with Kieran McGeeney and Paul Grimley. (Theme: Bully managers flogging their very unhappy players)

He's a barrister. He twists and churns stories to make an argument. The problem is that most smart people are now on to him and his BS. Personally I enjoy his banter and is very good in the politics sphere but it's very clear that he spins stories to back up his narrative.

The Darren McCurry one was a classic, he claimed in his column to had a pint with the tee total Dazzler!

Maybe it was a pint of blackcurrant and water!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 25, 2023, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on September 24, 2023, 10:26:14 PMWhat county us joe from?
What county is St Brigids in?

Tbf he lives there and has played or coached years for them. However I have absolutely no idea why he needed to bring them and a paid manager into that article and I doubt many of them will thank him for it. You would think Mickey Harte was the first paid manager reading that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: ck on September 24, 2023, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on September 24, 2023, 10:26:14 PMWhat county us joe from?
What county is St Brigids in?

Exactly the point. The hypocrisy is dripping off the man. He slags off all outside managers but left his own club at the first opportunity.

Are you saying people must stay where they were born for the good of the GAA.

Interestingly the argument in the article around manager has to be from same club/county is one I think would be very good - to prevent journeymen types picking up volunteers money. Would it work?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 25, 2023, 02:11:30 PM
Journeyman manager becomes a member of club he intends to take the brown envelope from. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 25, 2023, 02:20:39 PM
Plenty of eases fixes to that. i.e must have been a club member for the past 3/5 years on Foireann and can only ever be a member of one club
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 25, 2023, 02:11:30 PMJourneyman manager becomes a member of club he intends to take the brown envelope from. Problem solved.

Could see that happening but might cut out a bit if you had to get a transfer and GAA then could monitor suspicious movements?

e.g. would mickey harte move to Derry if it was public that he was once a member of Errigal Ciaran, then Geraldines Louth and then Bellaghy Derry???
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on September 25, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 25, 2023, 02:11:30 PMJourneyman manager becomes a member of club he intends to take the brown envelope from. Problem solved.

Could see that happening but might cut out a bit if you had to get a transfer and GAA then could monitor suspicious movements?

Yeah possibly. I am not against the idea of that rule at all tbh. But we all knowthe GAA world works if there's a way of getting around the rules it'll soon be worked out.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on September 25, 2023, 07:06:48 PM
is it not a good thing for the game to allow people from better counties to work with smaller counties like harte and louth
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 25, 2023, 07:06:48 PMis it not a good thing for the game to allow people from better counties to work with smaller counties like harte and louth

Tyrone where a weaker county til Harte came along. Plenty of good people within all counties I'd the right drive is behind it from all quarters
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2023, 08:47:01 PM
Brolly is unlike Dungiven people in general, fairly savage on the field, fairly savage off it, he was the opposite, though good footballer, all the slabbing he does wouldn't go down well in Dungiven either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2023, 08:47:01 PMBrolly is unlike Dungiven people in general, fairly savage on the field, fairly savage off it, he was the opposite, though good footballer, all the slabbing he does wouldn't go down well in Dungiven either.

I've read this 10 times and still don't know what u mean lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2023, 08:54:24 PM
They be a rough lot,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on September 26, 2023, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2023, 08:47:01 PMBrolly is unlike Dungiven people in general, fairly savage on the field, fairly savage off it, he was the opposite, though good footballer, all the slabbing he does wouldn't go down well in Dungiven either.

I've read this 10 times and still don't know what u mean lol

its really not that hard to understand
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 26, 2023, 08:08:16 AM
Like most people in Derry, Dungiven people don't have any time for Brolly and his BS.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on September 26, 2023, 08:09:52 AM
He fairly shone a light on Michael Martins Hypocrisy during the week on twitter. Michael down "glorifying" an IRA attack on the RIC, "murdering" a number of them. Few weeks ago the same lad was criticising SF for commemorations and claiming they were "infecting" the youth of the country.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on September 26, 2023, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 25, 2023, 02:20:39 PMPlenty of eases fixes to that. i.e must have been a club member for the past 3/5 years on Foireann and can only ever be a member of one club

Only ever be a member of one club!

I assume you mean one club at a time?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NormPeterson on September 26, 2023, 01:53:37 PM
Brolly doesn't seem to like lower class people. He is often talking about how bigoted they are in this country and how the "educated people" have moved past it. Yet in the same conversation he was talking about how vile Carla Lockhart is, an education middle class woman.

Also how come Brolly doesn't mention that he played under an outsider manager too? Brian Mullins over 25 years ago. He is making out like it is a modern thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 26, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Tbf to him Lockhart is a vile individual. The bitterness, bigotry and idiocy are off the scale with her.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: InnocentByStander on September 26, 2023, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 26, 2023, 02:31:28 PMTbf to him Lockhart is a vile individual. The bitterness, bigotry and idiocy are off the scale with her.

I read this and I was thinking what did Sean Marty do  ;D  ;D

But yes second your statement, like the majority of hard line unionist stuck living in the past
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on September 26, 2023, 03:37:15 PM
The difference is though that she's young and wouldn't really have lived through many troubles so the bitterness almost resonates a bit more.

I'm sure some corner forwards may think that but thankfully never needed to mark him  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 26, 2023, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on September 24, 2023, 08:38:37 PMHe is right about the "life coaches" that seem to have infiltrated GAA in the last year or two, it's absolute bollocks



That's not relevant to the present day issue. It's a Brolly tactic, throw in a smattering of non-germane populist crowd pleasers which replace real debate but aim to have the effect of ´Joe does talk some sense therefore he knows whats what when it comes to MH`.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 03:46:02 PM
Joe not impressed with being called out - So resorts to name calling.

Fair Dues to Senator Rónán Cullen for standing up to both Newstalk and Brolly.
To many celebrities get to say what ever they like these days about people in politics without fact or knowledge to back them up.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 03:46:02 PMJoe not impressed with being called out - So resorts to name calling.

Fair Dues to Senator Rónán Cullen for standing up to both Newstalk and Brolly.
To many celebrities get to say what ever they like these days about people in politics without fact or knowledge to back them up.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114)

Except Joe is a 100% right about that guy and the other fella Craughtwell. Two nasty individuals. I was trying to find out how the likes of them get into the Seanad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 03:46:02 PMJoe not impressed with being called out - So resorts to name calling.

Fair Dues to Senator Rónán Cullen for standing up to both Newstalk and Brolly.
To many celebrities get to say what ever they like these days about people in politics without fact or knowledge to back them up.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114)

Except Joe is a 100% right about that guy and the other fella Craughtwell. Two nasty individuals. I was trying to find out how the likes of them get into the Seanad.

They get into the Senate because they have their views, which are still popular, amongst a large fraternity. They are Catholic views, views no longer voiced by the Catholic Hierarchy.

I'm not a huge fan of Ronan Cullens views, but he is a competent debater and I like this.

There are too many at the moment running with the herd. Ronan will never do this.

Things are not black and white, we need people like Ronan to give an alternative view to the Herd.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trailer on September 27, 2023, 05:10:35 PM
This Trans "debate" is biggest pile of shite I have ever heard in my life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 27, 2023, 05:44:56 PM
I stupidly clicked on that twitter link and read maybe a dozen comments...need powerhosed. Cesspit full of hatred. Brutal
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 03:46:02 PMJoe not impressed with being called out - So resorts to name calling.

Fair Dues to Senator Rónán Cullen for standing up to both Newstalk and Brolly.
To many celebrities get to say what ever they like these days about people in politics without fact or knowledge to back them up.

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1707011498839556114)

Except Joe is a 100% right about that guy and the other fella Craughtwell. Two nasty individuals. I was trying to find out how the likes of them get into the Seanad.

They get into the Senate because they have their views, which are still popular, amongst a large fraternity. They are Catholic views, views no longer voiced by the Catholic Hierarchy.

I'm not a huge fan of Ronan Cullens views, but he is a competent debater and I like this.

There are too many at the moment running with the herd. Ronan will never do this.

Things are not black and white, we need people like Ronan to give an alternative view to the Herd.

Thank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PMThank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake

Sometimes it's no harm to have some one with a different view. Doing the liberal thing is not always doing the right thing. They might not agree with you, they might not be totally right (or wrong), but there is always something they will ad to a debate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PMThank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake

Sometimes it's no harm to have some one with a different view. Doing the liberal thing is not always doing the right thing. They might not agree with you, they might not be totally right (or wrong), but there is always something they will ad to a debate.


Even when they rile up hatred towards marginalised people resulting in attacks on them. Loads of horseshite lad and you know it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on September 27, 2023, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PMThank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake

Sometimes it's no harm to have some one with a different view. Doing the liberal thing is not always doing the right thing. They might not agree with you, they might not be totally right (or wrong), but there is always something they will ad to a debate.


Even when they rile up hatred towards marginalised people resulting in attacks on them. Loads of horseshite lad and you know it.

This is it, the hatred towards other human beings. I've zero room for that point of view, it's a point of view that absolutely disgusts me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PMThank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake

Sometimes it's no harm to have some one with a different view. Doing the liberal thing is not always doing the right thing. They might not agree with you, they might not be totally right (or wrong), but there is always something they will ad to a debate.


Even when they rile up hatred towards marginalised people resulting in attacks on them. Loads of horseshite lad and you know it.

Has Ronan Mullen done the above? I don't recall him ever doing it. Does not seem like his sort of gig.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mrdeeds on September 28, 2023, 08:31:05 AM
The podcast excellent this week with Matthew Collins. There you really see what hate can lead to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on September 29, 2023, 12:46:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 27, 2023, 08:21:23 PMThank the Lord we have people like Ronan to educate us idiots in the herd. Look at the people who he dog whistles to for f**k sake

Sometimes it's no harm to have some one with a different view. Doing the liberal thing is not always doing the right thing. They might not agree with you, they might not be totally right (or wrong), but there is always something they will ad to a debate.


Even when they rile up hatred towards marginalised people resulting in attacks on them. Loads of horseshite lad and you know it.

Has Ronan Mullen done the above? I don't recall him ever doing it. Does not seem like his sort of gig.


Rónán hasn't the appropriate mettle to rile up a mob on that level, he just gives me the impression of being a vainglorious gobshíte bound for ignominy. Brolly would rip him apart in a debate, I'd pay good money to witness that one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lurganblue on October 02, 2023, 10:04:02 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 28, 2023, 08:31:05 AMThe podcast excellent this week with Matthew Collins. There you really see what hate can lead to.

Yes, excellent. As I listened, it reminded me of the story from the TV show "The Walk-in".  I hadnt put two and two together there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NormPeterson on October 04, 2023, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 04, 2023, 12:40:32 PMOr the message he got from James McCarthy when the Derry jubilee team were having their day out in the All Ireland Final. McCarthy text him to say how he had fond memories of that team. McCarthy was 3 when Derry won the All Ireland in 1993. . .
Maybe he meant the players in general as half the 1993 team were still playing around 1999/2000 which he would remember. Tohill played up until 2003.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sam03/05 on October 04, 2023, 08:16:04 AM
Gilroy talking about paid coaches and how they are a blight on the game is ironic - much of the Dublin success is down to paid coaches. They have a paid GPO coach in every club or in some clubs three or four. Whilst in other counties coaching is down to volunteerism, which means you get varying degrees of success from year to year. What really  is the difference between this and a paid coach at senior level such as Harte and Devlin - except it's done above board in terms of payment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AM
Wonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jmcgdoire on October 04, 2023, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AMWonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?

Of course not. Just like how there was never a murmur when Gallagher was brought in.

Also never heard Joe complaining when 'Derry legend' Stephen O'Neill (from the West-West-Derry club of Clann na nGael) took over his beloved Dungiven which Brolly is forever loyal to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on October 04, 2023, 10:23:40 AM
Lessons in GAA loyalty from a man currently at his third club in his third county.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 04, 2023, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AMWonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?

Nor Brian Mcivor, Rory Gallagher or Ciaran Meenagh. The list goes on and on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Tbf he didn't like Gallagher for a long time either. I don't even know where he ended up with Gallagher as he is pretty changeable in his strong opinions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on October 04, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AMWonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?
If you were to, ah hem, believe Brolly in an article of his last year were he said he was instrumental in bringing Mullins in as Derry manager 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on October 04, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
When it comes to Hypocrisy, Joe really is in a league of his own.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2023, 12:12:45 AM
He giving out about paiding managers, and when someone asked why don't you put in for it or similar jobs, awhile back, it was along the lines of someone need pay him over £100k as that what he earns, so he wouldn't do it for nothing either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 05, 2023, 08:45:33 AM
Joining another club did not affect his "Dungiveness"
Managing weens at another club in another county did not affect his "Dungiveness".
The board appointing a man from Fermanagh who was on his 3rd county job did not affect his "Dungiveness"

But the Derry county board appoint Mickey Harte and now Brolly doesn't know who he is anymore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on October 05, 2023, 09:26:44 AM
Another shining example of his ego/narcissism in that podcast was his anecdote about applying for the senior managers position at St Brigids. Basically his description was:

'Everyone knew how great I'd be at it and told me I should apply. They gave it to someone else and, [exact quote:] "needless to say it was a disaster".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 10:42:13 AM
He's actually starting to sound a little unhinged
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AustinPowers on October 05, 2023, 12:51:39 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 10:42:13 AMHe's actually starting to sound a little unhinged

He must be    annoyed  that his platforms  for attention seeking is diminishing. Or at least , the numbers who hear/see him are diminishing
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
I like Brolly and generally think he makes alot of good points on a variety of topics, BUT,
after listening to the podcast i have to say it was ridiculous the stuff he came out with.

Melodramatic to the extreme.
Carrying Eamon Colemans coffin with tears running down his face, not going to watch Derry this year, painting himself as some sort of messiah at St Brigids (Blow-Up dolls included), the unquestionable moral compass and general narcissism was brutal.

Why does he constantly need a new bogeyman to go after every few months.
He seems to have serious issues that the 90s are long gone and society has moved on regardless of what way he claims to view the world.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brendan on October 05, 2023, 04:45:26 PM
Although made a tit of himself yet again, Gilroy raised a worrying point about the local soccer club and the way it has headed, how long till our local gaa clubs have the same problem, why should I do it for nothing when your man is getting paid thousands etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 09:01:11 PM
Saw a trailer there for his new episode out tomorrow, it's more of the same, Micky Harte, volunteerism, Pat Gilroy etc & how he is about to make an "official" complaint to Croke Park about the Harte "transfer"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2023, 09:45:38 PM
Still stuck in the 80's myself!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 09:01:11 PMSaw a trailer there for his new episode out tomorrow, it's more of the same, Micky Harte, volunteerism, Pat Gilroy etc & how he is about to make an "official" complaint to Croke Park about the Harte "transfer"

And the only person who gets anything out of this is Brolly, attention....oh,and advertising revenue from gambling companies advertising on his podcast lest we forget
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: restorepride on October 06, 2023, 12:04:06 AM
Joe's opinion will soon be completely discarded, if not already.  The hyperbole barely masks his increasing anxiety to be taken seriously.  Ask Dungiven people - his Dungiven-ness has been decaying for quite a while now and in recent years/interviews has been very negative about his own native area and upbringing.  Joe may end up Dungiven-less.  "A good Harte these days is hard to find."  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Puckoon on October 06, 2023, 05:42:09 AM
Lads what is the podcast called?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RedHand88 on October 06, 2023, 06:17:52 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 06, 2023, 05:42:09 AMLads what is the podcast called?

Free state
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LC on October 06, 2023, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 09:01:11 PMSaw a trailer there for his new episode out tomorrow, it's more of the same, Micky Harte, volunteerism, Pat Gilroy etc & how he is about to make an "official" complaint to Croke Park about the Harte "transfer"

And the only person who gets anything out of this is Brolly, attention....oh,and advertising revenue from gambling companies advertising on his podcast lest we forget

Good point
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:25:54 AM
Who was it that got the St Brigids senior position ahead of him, which he appears so annoyed about?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 04, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AMWonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?
If you were to, ah hem, believe Brolly in an article of his last year were he said he was instrumental in bringing Mullins in as Derry manager 

From Joe's very own Indo column almost exactly this time last year...

'Derry needed a senior manager for the 1996/97 season. Brian was the principal of the huge Carndonagh Community School in Donegal. I met him after a game in Croke Park and asked him if he would be interested. He immediately said, "Yes." I said, "Really?" He said, "Yes."

I rang the county board and passed it on. A few months later, we arrived at Owenbeg and there he was, wearing that funny bushwacker hat, massive and intimidating'

Odd he didnt seem too exercised then about an outside manager for his beloved Derry..... wonder what changed 🤔
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 06, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
What's noticeable in this thread is even the derry people have turned against him...

He probably turned st brigids against him with his last article too. Continually alienating people.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:44:44 AM
Can't remember, but did he boycott Dungiven and pour forth much outrage when Stephen O'Neill became Dungiven Senior Manager?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: square_ball on October 06, 2023, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 04, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 04, 2023, 08:35:13 AMWonder did Joe have the same grievances about Brian Mullins when he took the Derry job or is it because he simply doesn't like Mickey Harte?
If you were to, ah hem, believe Brolly in an article of his last year were he said he was instrumental in bringing Mullins in as Derry manager 

From Joe's very own Indo column almost exactly this time last year...

'Derry needed a senior manager for the 1996/97 season. Brian was the principal of the huge Carndonagh Community School in Donegal. I met him after a game in Croke Park and asked him if he would be interested. He immediately said, "Yes." I said, "Really?" He said, "Yes."

I rang the county board and passed it on. A few months later, we arrived at Owenbeg and there he was, wearing that funny bushwacker hat, massive and intimidating'

Odd he didnt seem too exercised then about an outside manager for his beloved Derry..... wonder what changed 🤔

But what about all the Slaughtneil-ness and the Belleghy-ness? f**k the Derry county board and f**k Brian Mullins.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2023, 11:05:09 PM
Listen he long out of Derry fball, I don't know if he be around many games, Dungiven have fell badly away compared to their 90's team.I think alot of what he said about McGuigan, Glass, the personal grumbling about Gallagher style of play which he couldn't gripe about as they were winning. Funny he didn't go full Pete Tong on Gallagher which I thought he would. Far as I know, he never came across Mickey Harte on the football field in his time, and had a f**king love fest for his 00's team, so I don't know why the coin turned. Am starting to think if this team does well it could eclipse what they done, and that's rattling his cage.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on October 07, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:25:54 AMWho was it that got the St Brigids senior position ahead of him, which he appears so annoyed about?

A highly rated manager by all accounts, very professional and players loved him. Brolly always hates these professional types. It smacks of petty jealousy from Brolly who is quickly becoming the class clown.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on October 07, 2023, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: LC on October 06, 2023, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 05, 2023, 09:01:11 PMSaw a trailer there for his new episode out tomorrow, it's more of the same, Micky Harte, volunteerism, Pat Gilroy etc & how he is about to make an "official" complaint to Croke Park about the Harte "transfer"

And the only person who gets anything out of this is Brolly, attention....oh,and advertising revenue from gambling companies advertising on his podcast lest we forget

Good point

Brollys hyporcracy beggers belief. He in a millionaire and has made a lot of money from the GAA, but hangs others out to dry for the same. Has made a fool of himself again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: red hander on October 07, 2023, 08:56:37 PM
A boring spoofer. Always was. Always will be. A self-generating shite machine.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 07, 2023, 09:32:41 PM
What's his comparison of Tyrone and Derry and his republicanism not stopping him representing loyalism.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Quarterbackk on October 08, 2023, 12:21:33 PM
Items brolly fails to mention

Most of his 93 colleagues have made tons of money in coaching jobs around Ulster
His point on Kerry is Bullshit - Kerry, Dublin & Limerick have full time paid Managers, Coaches, S & C

His problem is Tyrone.  And Canavan sticking it in the net in 95   ;D
 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 08, 2023, 07:32:31 PM
Sure he wasn't there that day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on October 10, 2023, 07:50:33 AM
Quote from: ck on October 07, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 06, 2023, 09:25:54 AMWho was it that got the St Brigids senior position ahead of him, which he appears so annoyed about?

A highly rated manager by all accounts, very professional and players loved him. Brolly always hates these professional types. It smacks of petty jealousy from Brolly who is quickly becoming the class clown.

Who was the manager though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 29, 2023, 11:33:16 PM
Looks like a Joe Brolly and Conor McGregor Twitter "spat" is brewing. McGregor straight in with a low blow, sharing the old sleazy nightclub video of Joe. I wonder has Joe bitten off a bit more than he can chew with this one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2023, 11:38:14 PM
Yeah Mcgregor a real genius to be up against,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 29, 2023, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 29, 2023, 11:38:14 PMYeah Mcgregor a real genius to be up against,

He doesn't have to be. Twitter isn't a forum for geniuses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 09:05:54 AM
There's plenty Joe could share in relation to that prat
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: toby47 on November 30, 2023, 10:15:07 AM
Can't see Joe getting too involved in a back & forward over twitter
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on November 30, 2023, 10:24:32 AM
Tbf what was Brolly thinking calling the Dublin stabber a 'Gentleman'. McGregor on the other hand letting himself down a lot too including retweeting a Loyalist account.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 30, 2023, 10:24:32 AMTbf what was Brolly thinking calling the Dublin stabber a 'Gentleman'. McGregor on the other hand letting himself down a lot too including retweeting a Loyalist account.

yeah, that was poor from Brolly
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: full moon on November 30, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Brollys a very nasty individual, really a loudmouth bully. Thinks everyone should adhere to his Far Left politics. He's supported People Before Profit.

RTE made the right call getting rid of him. Surprised Newstalk even give him a platform anymore, probably mates with that presenter.

Made a big error going after McGregor. He's a lot more in tune with peoples views here. Calling the Algerian terrorist a gentleman is just disgraceful.

Nobody cares what Brolly thinks anymore. Just another holier than thou arsehole.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on November 30, 2023, 12:09:49 PM
does brolly see himself as the northern equivilent of eamonn dunphy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 11:16:26 AMBrollys a very nasty individual, really a loudmouth bully. Thinks everyone should adhere to his Far Left politics. He's supported People Before Profit.

RTE made the right call getting rid of him. Surprised Newstalk even give him a platform anymore, probably mates with that presenter.

Made a big error going after McGregor. He's a lot more in tune with peoples views here. Calling the Algerian terrorist a gentleman is just disgraceful.

Nobody cares what Brolly thinks anymore. Just another holier than thou arsehole.



so what if he supported PBP?
Do you think McGregor is really more in tune with people here?
Agree about the gentleman thing. Ridiculous
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on November 30, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 11:16:26 AMBrollys a very nasty individual, really a loudmouth bully. Thinks everyone should adhere to his Far Left politics. He's supported People Before Profit.

RTE made the right call getting rid of him. Surprised Newstalk even give him a platform anymore, probably mates with that presenter.

Made a big error going after McGregor. He's a lot more in tune with peoples views here. Calling the Algerian terrorist a gentleman is just disgraceful.

Nobody cares what Brolly thinks anymore. Just another holier than thou arsehole.



I can think of one
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on November 30, 2023, 03:07:11 PM
Two peas from the same pod. Loud and egotistical. So glad Brolly is off the TV now. He's a self obsessed bore.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on November 30, 2023, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 11:16:26 AMBrollys a very nasty individual, really a loudmouth bully. Thinks everyone should adhere to his Far Left politics. He's supported People Before Profit.

RTE made the right call getting rid of him. Surprised Newstalk even give him a platform anymore, probably mates with that presenter.

Made a big error going after McGregor. He's a lot more in tune with peoples views here. Calling the Algerian terrorist a gentleman is just disgraceful.

Nobody cares what Brolly thinks anymore. Just another holier than thou arsehole.



Not a  fan of Brolly, but I dont know what's the biggest WTF in your post: the claim that he's "far left", or the claim that the racist, violent, hate filled, womanizing, pensioner punching cokehead McGregor better represents Irish people than Brolly is just....well....there are no words for that level of delsuion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on November 30, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 03:55:08 PMBrolly's just a cheerleader for PBP, PBP are a communist party you won't get much more far left than that mob.
If you've been listening to his podcast he's repeatedly voiced his backing to Sinn Féin in recent times, not PBP. In fact I don't ever recall him saying he supports PBP, but no dout you can provide loads of evidence. In any case, if the debate is whether Brolly or McGregor better represents Irish people's views, then even if we pretend Brolly is a PBP supporter, that's a party that has secured many thousands more votes than the likes of the "Irish National Party" or "Irish Freedom Party" or whatever they call themselves. How many electoral deposits did they lose last time round do you know?

Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 03:55:08 PMWomanizing cokehead McGregor, theres literally a video up of Brolly feeling up some bird in a strip club ffs.
Was the "bird" Brolly was touching resisting or was it consensual? Essentially you're saying that even McGregor, who faces a list of rape and sexual assault allegations better represents Ireland because Brolly touched a woman in a club who appears to be consenting to it?

Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 03:55:08 PMYou think Brolly never done cocaine either do you? A barrister from Trinity college that goes on like him.
I've no idea, but if he does, does he then go punching pensioners? Does he refer to people as "rats"? Has he ever thrown obejects through bus windows? Is that behaviour more representative of Irish people than anything Brolly does?

Quote from: full moon on November 30, 2023, 03:55:08 PMBrolly's such a big Irish patriot, he represents every Loyalist terrorist going ffs.
You do understand that barristers and solicitors regularly represent people they dislike/disagree with as part of their professional legal responsibility?
Conor McGregor however, the man you suggest better represents the views of Irish people, is someone who wears the poppy (not out of a prefessional legal imperative, but by his own choice) and has in recent times been re-tweeting the views of far-right British racists and loyalists like David Vance and the leader of Britain First Paul Golding - a man who previouisly flew to Belfast to support the loyalist flag protests.

So all in all, given that McGregor wears the poppy, spreads propaganda for british far right loyalists and alligns himself with the politics of a right wing party in Ireland which failed to elect a single candidate to electoral office, then exactly how does he represent the views of Irish people, exactly??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on November 30, 2023, 06:24:49 PM
has brolly condemn far right hamas
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 30, 2023, 07:47:54 PM
Mcgregor a total p***k, hard to believe anyone would back that Clown. Man of the people, only if they Frank outta Shameless!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: p3427977 on December 01, 2023, 11:26:29 AM
full moon having a bit of a nightmare in here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 01, 2023, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on December 01, 2023, 11:26:29 AMfull moon having a bit of a nightmare in here.

I've never seen a forum beat-down like it.. Don't think he's been back since
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 01, 2023, 12:44:08 PM
No more than McGregor he wasn't much addition!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 01, 2023, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 30, 2023, 10:24:32 AMTbf what was Brolly thinking calling the Dublin stabber a 'Gentleman'. McGregor on the other hand letting himself down a lot too including retweeting a Loyalist account.

yeah, that was poor from Brolly
I listened to that podcast and didn't get that meaning at all. Imo Joe was saying something else altogether. Racists take a few words out of context in order to throw muck at Joe. Racists are dumb as fck anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: full moon on December 01, 2023, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on December 01, 2023, 11:26:29 AMfull moon having a bit of a nightmare in here.
Have you a point to make or just snide remarks
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: full moon on December 01, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2023, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on December 01, 2023, 11:26:29 AMfull moon having a bit of a nightmare in here.

I've never seen a forum beat-down like it.. Don't think he's been back since
Yeah one post,  I have a life not like some on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: full moon on December 01, 2023, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2023, 12:44:08 PMNo more than McGregor he wasn't much addition!
Says the oddball that spends his days on here and online calling everyone far right, Nazis, fascists etc for anything he disagrees with.

I know Roscommon only got internet recently but get into the real world for a while and stop your abusive nonsense and holier than tho crap.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smort on December 02, 2023, 11:44:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1730914355909120331?t=HSdVjYl2BpzgcV9FpLDsZQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1730914355909120331?t=HSdVjYl2BpzgcV9FpLDsZQ&s=19)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armagh18 on December 02, 2023, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: smort on December 02, 2023, 11:44:55 AMhttps://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1730914355909120331?t=HSdVjYl2BpzgcV9FpLDsZQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1730914355909120331?t=HSdVjYl2BpzgcV9FpLDsZQ&s=19)
2 doses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
Fair play Joe.
Joe annoys me a lot of the time but that other individual disgusts me all the time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PM
Joe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armagh18 on December 02, 2023, 01:14:26 PM
Isn't it mad that 2 Irish fellas who reached the pinnacle of their respective sport will probably end up being remembered for taking shite on twitter etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on December 02, 2023, 03:44:12 PM
McGregor is a lowlife sc**bag.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 02, 2023, 03:44:12 PMMcGregor is a lowlife sc**bag.

No time for Brolly either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on December 02, 2023, 04:37:05 PM
Histrionic Personality Disorder comes to mind. A person who gives a Kidney to a complete stranger no matter how decent a gesture - is a bit ....... weird.

On the other hand, Spillane is just greedy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on December 02, 2023, 05:23:57 PM

The usual from Brolly. Abuse and denegrade people and everyone should take it as a joke. When he gets it back, then running for the solicitor.

Absolutely no fan of McGregor but unlike ordinary folk, the threat of being sued won't cow him in any way. Like most bullies in these types of scenarios, the legal threat will end up nonsense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on December 02, 2023, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 02, 2023, 05:23:57 PMThe usual from Brolly. Abuse and denegrade people and everyone should take it as a joke. When he gets it back, then running for the solicitor.

Absolutely no fan of McGregor but unlike ordinary folk, the threat of being sued won't cow him in any way. Like most bullies in these types of scenarios, the legal threat will end up nonsense.

I would suspect Brolly understands the law a bit better than you. If he takes that sc**bag mcgregor to court and hammers him then that'll be a great result for decent people.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PM
Brolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Silver hill on December 02, 2023, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?

Did he say anything litigious...did he threaten him in any way?
If I recall it correctly , he questioned Sean's manliness because of the cowardly and cynical way he pulled McManus to the ground. I think he was bang on the money for that one
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on December 02, 2023, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?

lol, cavanagh is fond of a pound or 2, if he thought there was any grounds for suing he'd have been in there. Seriously can't believe there are people taking the side of a complete sc**bag like mcgregor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 02, 2023, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?

lol, cavanagh is fond of a pound or 2, if he thought there was any grounds for suing he'd have been in there. Seriously can't believe there are people taking the side of a complete sc**bag like mcgregor.

It's OK to dislike both of them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: p3427977 on December 02, 2023, 08:37:18 PM
McGregor fans getting upset in here. Hope none are solicitors.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 02, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Mcgregor fans need have a hard look at him, he's anything but a role model,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: p3427977 on December 02, 2023, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 02, 2023, 09:01:03 PMMcgregor fans need have a hard look at him, he's anything but a role model,
I get that some people don't like brolly but there's no comparison between them
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on December 02, 2023, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 02, 2023, 07:48:38 PMI recall Brolly getting a tough time on the Derry thread recently enough about his comments on some Derry footballers, Glass & McGuigan perhaps?
I commented that Derry people blow with the wind on Brolly. In that they'll go after him for one thing but will have his back 100% if there's a bigger enemy out there, especially a hoor from Tyrone. I near got ate for the suggestion.
Well, here we are.

Here are where? Ffs, Brolly having a poke at a fellow gaa man or whatever is one thing, McGregor calling folk to arms as Ireland is at war with those feckin foreigners is slightly different. Backing McGregor's message over Brolly's in this instance beggers belief.
Conor Mcgregor, sweet jesus
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on December 02, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

Just for clarification, when you say "the man's a bully", are you talking about Joe Brolly or the fella who punches pensioners, smashes bus windows, calls people "rats", smashes his fans phones and faces multiple physical as well as sexual assault/indecent exposure/rape allegations?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on December 03, 2023, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on December 02, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

Just for clarification, when you say "the man's a bully", are you talking about Joe Brolly or the fella who punches pensioners, smashes bus windows, calls people "rats", smashes his fans phones and faces multiple physical as well as sexual assault/indecent exposure/rape allegations?

Both of them are bullies, but only one of them should know better (hint-it's not the guy who gets punched in the head for a living)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on December 03, 2023, 07:47:53 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 03, 2023, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on December 02, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

Just for clarification, when you say "the man's a bully", are you talking about Joe Brolly or the fella who punches pensioners, smashes bus windows, calls people "rats", smashes his fans phones and faces multiple physical as well as sexual assault/indecent exposure/rape allegations?

Both of them are bullies, but only one of them should know better (hint-it's not the guy who gets punched in the head for a living)

Oh right. So McGregor shouldn't be expected to know better than to physically and sexually assault people on a regular basis?

 ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on December 03, 2023, 09:02:33 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on December 03, 2023, 07:47:53 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 03, 2023, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on December 02, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

Just for clarification, when you say "the man's a bully", are you talking about Joe Brolly or the fella who punches pensioners, smashes bus windows, calls people "rats", smashes his fans phones and faces multiple physical as well as sexual assault/indecent exposure/rape allegations?

Both of them are bullies, but only one of them should know better (hint-it's not the guy who gets punched in the head for a living)

Oh right. So McGregor shouldn't be expected to know better than to physically and sexually assault people on a regular basis?

 ::)

Correct

Mcgregor is a know nothing low-life, so I would have zero to no expectations of him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
419 pages on the Brolly thread, probably filled by most who dislike him for having an opinion ( which most on here, have ) that he throws up in social media..

Some people are easily triggered
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on December 03, 2023, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?

Seriously? ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on December 03, 2023, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on December 02, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

Just for clarification, when you say "the man's a bully", are you talking about Joe Brolly or the fella who punches pensioners, smashes bus windows, calls people "rats", smashes his fans phones and faces multiple physical as well as sexual assault/indecent exposure/rape allegations?

Yep. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on December 03, 2023, 01:29:12 PM
being a gaa man does not mean you're some  sort of automatic angel 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Snapchap on December 03, 2023, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on December 03, 2023, 01:29:12 PMbeing a gaa man does not mean you're some  sort of automatic angel 

Who here suggested otherwise?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on December 03, 2023, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 10:38:23 AM419 pages on the Brolly thread, probably filled by most who dislike him for having an opinion ( which most on here, have ) that he throws up in social media..

Some people are easily triggered

But ya see it's not his opinion that annoys people. It's the hypocrisy, lies and BS he comes off with.
Most are on to him by now though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on December 03, 2023, 03:54:44 PM
I have equal amounts of comtempt for McGregor and Brolly for different reasons. Both self publicists and needy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 03, 2023, 06:09:25 PM
IMO, Joe gains a fair bit of absolution for winding up the racists into knots, also McGregor and his ilk.
Even going back 10 years!! :)

Hard to find some group who have not been wound up by Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 03, 2023, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 03, 2023, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 02, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 02, 2023, 05:56:55 PMBrolly, a guy who gave away his kidney, does literally copious amounts of charity gigs, goes to club events up and down the country for nothing, and we have gaels slating because he has a opinion that some of you don't like or agree with. The whole essence of being a barister is strongly putting across your opinion. And that's the bit that gets under your skin. The difference between brolly and McGregor is night and day.

His charity work or whatever doesn't excuse his outrageous outbursts over the year's especially the one towards Sean Cavanagh 10 years ago. He should have been booted from RTE at that point. Did Sean Cavanagh go running to solicitors?

Seriously? ;D
;D  ;D  ;D  Good to see people sticking up for the downtrodden Sean after 10 years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on December 03, 2023, 07:06:14 PM
mcgregor v joe brolly for irish president
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tonto1888 on December 04, 2023, 07:04:58 AM
Quote from: full moon on December 02, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 02, 2023, 01:02:29 PMJoe can dish it out but not so keen the other way
Exactly the mans a bully. Can attack people like Mickey Harte, Marty Morrissey, Ronan Mullen etc that won't hit him back .

But as soon as McGregor gives him some back after Joe goes at him, he runs to his legal team and the Guards demanding prosecution. What a pathetic big baby that gives it out hard to people but won't take any response. Total bully that wants free reign to attack anyone he dislikes.

No wonder the media got rid of him

what has McGregor said that caused his to go to his legal team?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on December 04, 2023, 08:06:32 AM
Is it not incitement of hatred or something like that?

Brolly's a dick but I am not sure how anyone could see him in mcgregor's league especially with mcgregor's latest comments o don't know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on December 04, 2023, 09:11:09 AM
McGregor must be a bit cowed there's a been a raft of tweets deleted over the weekend it seems!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on December 05, 2023, 03:16:38 PM
That will be some feather in Joe's cap if he can get McGregor on the run. Who would've thought it, Joe being a leading advocate against hate speech.  Mickey Harte might even hire Joe to take a case against Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NotedObserver on December 05, 2023, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2023, 09:11:09 AMMcGregor must be a bit cowed there's a been a raft of tweets deleted over the weekend it seems!

Well known for deleting tweets post drinking session on any topic
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: p3427977 on December 06, 2023, 02:20:51 PM
I see the masked slipped again yesterday only for McGregor to delete the tweet again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clonian on December 06, 2023, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on December 06, 2023, 02:20:51 PMI see the masked slipped again yesterday only for McGregor to delete the tweet again.

Was that the video aimed at a northerner that was floating around yesterday?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: smort on December 06, 2023, 02:44:34 PM
The Mcgregor rap battle

Should maybe be in the wtf thread
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eire90 on December 06, 2023, 06:39:28 PM
absolute cringe from both mcgregor and whoever that rapper is
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on December 07, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
No comment needed....

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/conor-mcgregor-uses-sectarian-slur-as-battle-rapper-claims-victory-over-ufc-star-in-online-spat/a1616275631.html