No comment on this on gaaboard ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html)
Also, People keep using the phrase "its only a minority".Who were the "minority" when Farkhunda Malikzada was beaten to death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is)
The next million strong wave will be coming in the next few months once the weather improves (and even that has not really staunched the flow).
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
Yeah obviously the Kinahan gang is representative of Ireland and the McCarthy Dundons are the real leadership.
Lets stop playing that game. Everybody sees through it. Its not about what every single muslim thinks. It is where the average of the culture stands. When that woman was beaten to death EVERYBODY in the vicinity joined in. Only the police tried to protect her and even that was half hearted. This cannot be ignored.
Also, that boy was raped on December 22nd and, yet there are no reports that I can see of before Febuary 6th. The reporting of the incident is even more intriguing. I deliberately posted the link to the www.independent.uk story as that is a left leaning newspaper because the only other papers reporting it could be deemed "right wing" or tabloid by the usual suspects.
I could not find any reference to the story in the guardian. none. nada.
It is quite scary the censorship that is going on right now. The authoritarian left are showing their true colours. I'm sure you, of all people, understand the roots of cultural Marxism and what is really going on.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 07:03:46 AM
Lets stop playing that game. Everybody sees through it. Its not about what every single muslim thinks. It is where the average of the culture stands. When that woman was beaten to death EVERYBODY in the vicinity joined in. Only the police tried to protect her and even that was half hearted. This cannot be ignored.
Also, that boy was raped on December 22nd and, yet there are no reports that I can see of before Febuary 6th. The reporting of the incident is even more intriguing. I deliberately posted the link to the www.independent.uk story as that is a left leaning newspaper because the only other papers reporting it could be deemed "right wing" or tabloid by the usual suspects.
I could not find any reference to the story in the guardian. none. nada.
It is quite scary the censorship that is going on right now. The authoritarian left are showing their true colours. I'm sure you, of all people, understand the roots of cultural Marxism and what is really going on.
Read some Rumi
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 07:03:46 AM
Lets stop playing that game. Everybody sees through it. Its not about what every single muslim thinks. It is where the average of the culture stands. When that woman was beaten to death EVERYBODY in the vicinity joined in. Only the police tried to protect her and even that was half hearted. This cannot be ignored.
Also, that boy was raped on December 22nd and, yet there are no reports that I can see of before Febuary 6th. The reporting of the incident is even more intriguing. I deliberately posted the link to the www.independent.uk story as that is a left leaning newspaper because the only other papers reporting it could be deemed "right wing" or tabloid by the usual suspects.
I could not find any reference to the story in the guardian. none. nada.
It is quite scary the censorship that is going on right now. The authoritarian left are showing their true colours. I'm sure you, of all people, understand the roots of cultural Marxism and what is really going on.
Read some Rumi
Sorry, I am not interested is what, no doubt, some paedophile from the 13th century has to teach me on morals.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
No comment on this on gaaboard ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html)
Also, People keep using the phrase "its only a minority".Who were the "minority" when Farkhunda Malikzada was beaten to death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is)
The next million strong wave will be coming in the next few months once the weather improves (and even that has not really staunched the flow).
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
I would tend to lean to that argument, we just happen to be the furthest country away in Europe, imagine trying to bring up a family in the coastal towns of Greece.
Next thing you know the Christians will start tearing the place apart with their rapists and scum, look at this example of a christian here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-fears-over-child-rapist-4503724 f**king disgusting and to think my ancestors let these sorts of bastards in.
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
No comment on this on gaaboard ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-at-austrian-swimming-pool-a6857721.html)
Also, People keep using the phrase "its only a minority".Who were the "minority" when Farkhunda Malikzada was beaten to death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRq1iun3is)
The next million strong wave will be coming in the next few months once the weather improves (and even that has not really staunched the flow).
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
I would tend to lean to that argument, we just happen to be the furthest country away in Europe, imagine trying to bring up a family in the coastal towns of Greece.
What is shocking is how long it has taken people to realize this or, rather, how long it has taken them to feel outraged enough to speak out.
I've never understood why people cant put themselves in other people's shoes. Yes, we understand the plight of refugees. I can put myself in there shoes and understand their position...but I can also see the position of someone in Greece or serbia with thousands of migrants streaming through their town.
Likewise in the US. It infuriates me the way people sneer at people living on the US mexico border. The savagery of the cartel violence is legendary yet they expect people to react with calm understanding when the same psychopaths are trafficking people through peoples backyards.
The insanity of the left on this issue knows no bounds.
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It is easy to be flippant when it doesn't directly affect you or your family, good man, the side of righteous where would the world be without folk like yourself!
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:46:23 AM
Next thing you know the Christians will start tearing the place apart with their rapists and scum, look at this example of a christian here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-fears-over-child-rapist-4503724 f**king disgusting and to think my ancestors let these sorts of b**tards in.
Do you see anyone rushing in to excuse this crime ? Is anyone saying we should adjust to this behaviour as a norm ?
Stop making these juvenile equivalences. The left need to up their game. It wont work anymore.
What a nonsense thread.
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:46:23 AM
Next thing you know the Christians will start tearing the place apart with their rapists and scum, look at this example of a christian here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-fears-over-child-rapist-4503724 f**king disgusting and to think my ancestors let these sorts of b**tards in.
Do you see anyone rushing in to excuse this crime ? Is anyone saying we should adjust to this behaviour as a norm ?
Stop making these juvenile equivalences. The left need to up their game. It wont work anymore.
You're the one set the tone of this thread by posting the story of the sc**bag in Austria. I've never seen anyone rush to defend him either.
Quote from: Syferus on February 16, 2016, 09:04:38 AM
What a nonsense thread.
Your worldview extends as far as whether Cathal Gregg is a decent inter county footballer. He isn't...
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 07:03:46 AM
Lets stop playing that game. Everybody sees through it. Its not about what every single muslim thinks. It is where the average of the culture stands. When that woman was beaten to death EVERYBODY in the vicinity joined in. Only the police tried to protect her and even that was half hearted. This cannot be ignored.
Also, that boy was raped on December 22nd and, yet there are no reports that I can see of before Febuary 6th. The reporting of the incident is even more intriguing. I deliberately posted the link to the www.independent.uk story as that is a left leaning newspaper because the only other papers reporting it could be deemed "right wing" or tabloid by the usual suspects.
I could not find any reference to the story in the guardian. none. nada.
It is quite scary the censorship that is going on right now. The authoritarian left are showing their true colours. I'm sure you, of all people, understand the roots of cultural Marxism and what is really going on.
This board is rife with liberal apologists who would shit themselves before posting a comment about these issues before you posted, I have been traveling and not been on here much at all but remember thus, if that arsewipe in the Whitehouse had a pair none of these issues would have happened, under a republican president a no fly zone would have beenenfirced in Syria and Europe would not be suffering the way it is.
Don't feed the troll.
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:46:23 AM
Next thing you know the Christians will start tearing the place apart with their rapists and scum, look at this example of a christian here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-fears-over-child-rapist-4503724 f**king disgusting and to think my ancestors let these sorts of b**tards in.
Do you see anyone rushing in to excuse this crime ? Is anyone saying we should adjust to this behaviour as a norm ?
Stop making these juvenile equivalences. The left need to up their game. It wont work anymore.
You're the one set the tone of this thread by posting the story of the sc**bag in Austria. I've never seen anyone rush to defend him either.
yes, but he his defence was that it was a "sexual emergency" and that he needed to release his sexual tension by raping this boy. The counter case you presented had no such connotations.
The point is that his cultural norms made him think this was a valid defence.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
Quote from: deiseach on February 16, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Don't feed the troll.
The cowardly position is to not engage. That is fine. We will control the narrative from now on.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:46:23 AM
Next thing you know the Christians will start tearing the place apart with their rapists and scum, look at this example of a christian here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-fears-over-child-rapist-4503724 f**king disgusting and to think my ancestors let these sorts of b**tards in.
Do you see anyone rushing in to excuse this crime ? Is anyone saying we should adjust to this behaviour as a norm ?
Stop making these juvenile equivalences. The left need to up their game. It wont work anymore.
You're the one set the tone of this thread by posting the story of the sc**bag in Austria. I've never seen anyone rush to defend him either.
yes, but he his defence was that it was a "sexual emergency" and that he needed to release his sexual tension by raping this boy. The counter case you presented had no such connotations.
The point is that his cultural norms made him think this was a valid defence.
Do you not think that most if not all pedophiles commit their acts because of their sex drive and repressed sexual desires?
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 16, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Don't feed the troll.
The cowardly position is to not engage. That is fine. We will control the narrative from now on.
Who's we you and the 15 or 20 other heads that had to hide in the pound shop of O'Connells street because you're ideas and ideology are entirely rejected by the Irish people.
Quote from: Syferus on February 16, 2016, 09:04:38 AM
What a nonsense thread.
m
Right enough, after all we must not speak of the horrors of the Muslim immigrants, we liberals can talk them around in time, maybe John kerry could have a word?
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it but with one clarification. My view on the "supemacism" part is that it is more of a defensive position in the sense that I think European culture, for all its faults, is ok and has done much good and needs to be preserved. That does not mean I support the extremities of the 30's.
The imagery of the 30's/40's is great for PR though. It gets both sides all riled up so we will continue to use it to serve our purpose. Cultural "hooks" are very important. Why do you think ISIS spread so quickly. Those lads understand fascism better than anyone.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it but with one clarification. My view on the "supemacism" part is that it is more of a defensive position in the sense that I think European culture, for all its faults, is ok and has done much good and needs to be preserved. That does not mean I support the extremities of the 30's.
The imagery of the 30's/40's is great for PR though. It gets both sides all riled up so we will continue to use it to serve our purpose. Cultural "hooks" are very important. Why do you think ISIS spread so quickly. Those lads understand fascism better than anyone.
Happy days think thats us done here, gd'man
Like I said, you can choose to disengage. Fine. We will control the narrative from now on. It will make a change from the authoritarian left.
It is like that incident in Dublin that you highlighted. It is a distorted image and far more people, especially those over 25, would lean more to the right on this issue but it is so politically toxic, so detrimental to peoples ordainary lives and career prospects to express their true opinions that they say nothing.
The left are complicit with the neo-liberals in disenfranchising the white working class. This position is untenable.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 16, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Don't feed the troll.
The cowardly position is to not engage. That is fine. We will control the narrative from now on.
Can you do something about the rugby?
One thing that has fundamentally changed is that the youth are waking up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqybsUqkOWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqybsUqkOWs)
They see the images of their peers being slaughtered on the streets of Europe on nights out. Their freedom is no longer being taken for granted, They are finally seeing through the lies of the regressive left. They know now that not only will the left will not protect them but will make cultural excuses that sound more like justifications as to why they deserved to die. Some mealy mouthed idea of "decadence" decided upon by some clerical follower of a paedophile "prophet" 1000 miles away in Teheran or Mecca.
When the left lose the youth they have nothing left. This is why the conservatives romped to victory in the UK. Now we will reshape the youth to our purposes.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
Like I said, you can choose to disengage. Fine. We will control the narrative from now on. It will make a change from the authoritarian left.
It is like that incident in Dublin that you highlighted. It is a distorted image and far more people, especially those over 25, would lean more to the right on this issue but it is so politically toxic, so detrimental to peoples ordainary lives and career prospects to express their true opinions that they say nothing.
The left are complicit with the neo-liberals in disenfranchising the white working class. This position is untenable.
What "we" is this then? Who exactly do you think you speak for?
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 10:09:48 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 16, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Don't feed the troll.
The cowardly position is to not engage. That is fine. We will control the narrative from now on.
Can you do something about the rugby?
Connacht sign too many journeymen. They are the worst example of what is wrong with professional rugby.
In the 30s this kind of shite led to genocide
First they came for the Muslims ....
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
Like I said, you can choose to disengage. Fine. We will control the narrative from now on. It will make a change from the authoritarian left.
It is like that incident in Dublin that you highlighted. It is a distorted image and far more people, especially those over 25, would lean more to the right on this issue but it is so politically toxic, so detrimental to peoples ordainary lives and career prospects to express their true opinions that they say nothing.
The left are complicit with the neo-liberals in disenfranchising the white working class. This position is untenable.
What "we" is this then? Who exactly do you think you speak for?
"We" are what you call the "extreme right". I'm not trying to hide anything. However, I would say that our numbers have been swelled by people that have not been listened to or ignored. I don't give a shit what you or others think about me but you have massively failed these people. They were just ordinary people that had the world change around them.
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 10:15:16 AM
In the 30s this kind of shite led to genocide
cmon Seafoid....I've read your posts......we are on the same side here ;)
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Tyrones Own?
Why do you lads feel the need to insult anyone you disagree with ?
If you have a disagreement with me just argue your case, even those arguments you deem "self evident"..
No position or argument should be deemed above argument. This has been one of the crucial failures of the left which is why it is utterly failing as a political force these days.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it but with one clarification. My view on the "supemacism" part is that it is more of a defensive position in the sense that I think European culture, for all its faults, is ok and has done much good and needs to be preserved. That does not mean I support the extremities of the 30's.
The imagery of the 30's/40's is great for PR though. It gets both sides all riled up so we will continue to use it to serve our purpose. Cultural "hooks" are very important. Why do you think ISIS spread so quickly. Those lads understand fascism better than anyone.
3/10. Must try harder in sock puppet class.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 16, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Tyrones Own?
TO or Mikehunt gets my vote fox is already here and this "white supremacist" isn't running around calling people c*nts/retards/murderers so it's definitely not stew.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 16, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Tyrones Own?
fox, mikhunt, Tyrones own......who are these lads ;D
Lads its not a joke anymore. engage or lose the argument.
The GAA does not remotely reflect the cultural diversity of this island. How can this be justified ?
There are bad people all over the the world? I didn't know that.
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
Quote from: LeoMc on February 16, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it but with one clarification. My view on the "supemacism" part is that it is more of a defensive position in the sense that I think European culture, for all its faults, is ok and has done much good and needs to be preserved. That does not mean I support the extremities of the 30's.
The imagery of the 30's/40's is great for PR though. It gets both sides all riled up so we will continue to use it to serve our purpose. Cultural "hooks" are very important. Why do you think ISIS spread so quickly. Those lads understand fascism better than anyone.
3/10. Must try harder in sock puppet class.
No sock puppetry. I'm not hiding anything. I've said quite openly I believe in preserving white culture. If certain races/religions need to be eliminated to preserve that culture then so be it.
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Mikeysheehy
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 10:52:11 AM
g. I've said quite openly I believe in preserving white culture. If certain races/religions need to be eliminated to preserve that culture then so be it.
Mods
Time to ditch this war monger.
He's gotten bored of the lack of a response I'd say. Peaked too soon.
I'm going with one of the regular WUM's adopting an extreme persona to flush out others with extreme views.
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
Calls for banning ?
Do you lads even understand the concept of free speech ?
This is why America is such a great country. They understand that all opinion must be protected. You fascists want to shut it down immediately.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Mikeysheehy
fox, mikehunt, Tyrones Own , Mikesheehy...... thinking about everyone you ever disagreed with and labelling them is not a good position to take.
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
I would tend to lean to that argument, we just happen to be the furthest country away in Europe, imagine trying to bring up a family in the coastal towns of Greece.
Whilst most of his rhetoric is completely OTT I will predict the immigration crisis alone will cause Britain to leave Europe.
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
I would tend to lean to that argument, we just happen to be the furthest country away in Europe, imagine trying to bring up a family in the coastal towns of Greece.
Whilst most of his rhetoric is completely OTT I will predict the immigration crisis alone will cause Britain to leave Europe.
The City won\t countenance it.
Immigration keeps wages down. It is a key element of neoliberalism.
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
Europe is f**ked. It is too weak and will capitulate. Future generations will curse us.
I would tend to lean to that argument, we just happen to be the furthest country away in Europe, imagine trying to bring up a family in the coastal towns of Greece.
Whilst most of his rhetoric is completely OTT I will predict the immigration crisis alone will cause Britain to leave Europe.
The City won\t countenance it.
Immigration keeps wages down. It is a key element of neoliberalism.
It is a referendum - f**k off to do with the city.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
My point is obvious from the thread title. Even moderate Islam is incompatible with liberal, European values. They must adapt. Even conservative Catholics in Europe have been forced to adapt....why should we tip-toe around the sensitivity of muslims ?
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Mikeysheehy
fox, mikehunt, Tyrones Own , Mikesheehy...... thinking about everyone you ever disagreed with and labelling them is not a good position to take.
I've never disagreed with any of them :D
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
they can sing to their hearts content, the prince of wales is still an English man. do you hate all people of colour or is it just muslims? are white muslims ok?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
So which one is he lads? Fox? Mikehunt? He's too coherent to be Stew.
Mikeysheehy
fox, mikehunt, Tyrones Own , Mikesheehy...... thinking about everyone you ever disagreed with and labelling them is not a good position to take.
I've never disagreed with any of them :D
good. All viewpoints have value. People need to re-evaluate what qualifies as extremist.
Quote from: charlieTully on February 16, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
they can sing to their hearts content, the prince of wales is still an English man. do you hate all people of colour or is it just muslims? are white muslims ok
Taulupe Falatua sings as loud as anyone, does he fit the very narrow window of culture you are espousing?
Quote from: charlieTully on February 16, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
they can sing to their hearts content, the prince of wales is still an English man. do you hate all people of colour or is it just muslims? are white muslims ok?
Its not about skin color. It is as simple as feeling some connection to the land/people you live amongst. You don't even have to belt out the anthem. Resonable people can make reasonable allowances like the pained exression on Rory Bests face when the soldiers song comes on.
However, if you signal at every opportunity your disdain for the country you live in then f**k you. You are the enemy because you want to be the enemy.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
My point is obvious from the thread title. Even moderate Islam is incompatible with liberal, European values. They must adapt. Even conservative Catholics in Europe have been forced to adapt....why should we tip-toe around the sensitivity of muslims ?
There are approximately 50,000 muslims living in Ireland. If your contention is that the mainstream media might not report any difficulties that they bring, have you any inkling that this sizeable minority are experiencing compatibility issues or, as it probably more important in your view, are the Irish having problems adjusting to them living here?
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
My point is obvious from the thread title. Even moderate Islam is incompatible with liberal, European values. They must adapt. Even conservative Catholics in Europe have been forced to adapt....why should we tip-toe around the sensitivity of muslims ?
There are approximately 50,000 muslims living in Ireland. If your contention is that the mainstream media might not report any difficulties that they bring, have you any inkling that this sizeable minority are experiencing compatibility issues or, as it probably more important in your view, are the Irish having problems adjusting to them living here?
The muslim population in Ireland is not large enough (yet) to be in a position to exersize any political weight. Only when Ireland is faced with the same threat as equivalent US/Europeand counrties can we judge them.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 16, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
they can sing to their hearts content, the prince of wales is still an English man. do you hate all people of colour or is it just muslims? are white muslims ok?
Its not about skin color. It is as simple as feeling some connection to the land/people you live amongst. You don't even have to belt out the anthem. Resonable people can make reasonable allowances like the pained exression on Rory Bests face when the soldiers song comes on.
However, if you signal at every opportunity your disdain for the country you live in then f**k you. You are the enemy because you want to be the enemy.
Does that mean all GAA fans n the north are enemies ?
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
It is being diluted. Kiwis playing for Wales who can't speak Welsh . They may even be muslim.
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 16, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
they can sing to their hearts content, the prince of wales is still an English man. do you hate all people of colour or is it just muslims? are white muslims ok?
Its not about skin color. It is as simple as feeling some connection to the land/people you live amongst. You don't even have to belt out the anthem. Resonable people can make reasonable allowances like the pained exression on Rory Bests face when the soldiers song comes on.
However, if you signal at every opportunity your disdain for the country you live in then f**k you. You are the enemy because you want to be the enemy.
Does that mean all GAA fans n the north are enemies ?
No. Don't be silly. The GAA may be seen as the enemy but they are still part of the culture. Its like Rangers v Celtic. They absolutely hate each other but they are forever stuck in a tortured embrace much like repressed homosexuals.
I've read more of your threads .Your demonization of the protestant community in the north is strange. It is quite relentless. That is a template for how the far right should operate. You really know how to pull the strings. I'll give you that much.
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
My point is obvious from the thread title. Even moderate Islam is incompatible with liberal, European values. They must adapt. Even conservative Catholics in Europe have been forced to adapt....why should we tip-toe around the sensitivity of muslims ?
There are approximately 50,000 muslims living in Ireland. If your contention is that the mainstream media might not report any difficulties that they bring, have you any inkling that this sizeable minority are experiencing compatibility issues or, as it probably more important in your view, are the Irish having problems adjusting to them living here?
The muslim population in Ireland is not large enough (yet) to be in a position to exersize any political weight. Only when Ireland is faced with the same threat as equivalent US/Europeand counrties can we judge them.
You make it sound like they're gathering numbers for an imminent attack on all we hold dear. What would you envisage an increased number of muslims pushing for in Ireland?
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
It is being diluted. Kiwis playing for Wales who can't speak Welsh . They may even be muslim.
Again, Connacht are leading the way here.
Is there any other side in Europe that has less cultural connection with its native population ?
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 16, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Dalquen, what is your point exactly?
I acknowledge that there are cultural differences between refugees coming into Europe from various middle-eastern and north african countries. To what extent these cause major problems such as the ones you've highlighted I don't know but I'm going to guess that when you're talking in six figure sums at least then it is the minority.
If we agree on this, what is it you want? For everyone else to acknowledge it?
With all due respect, you don't understand the complete shift in perception that has happened. The entire world is now accessible to anyone. A whole new level of consciousness burst upon the third world about how easy it was to get into Europe. We cant reverse this. You cannot unknow what is known.
With all due respect, how do you know what I know or don't know, not that I claimed to know anything.
What I did do was ask you a simple question which you didn't answer. Would you mind doing so now?
My point is obvious from the thread title. Even moderate Islam is incompatible with liberal, European values. They must adapt. Even conservative Catholics in Europe have been forced to adapt....why should we tip-toe around the sensitivity of muslims ?
There are approximately 50,000 muslims living in Ireland. If your contention is that the mainstream media might not report any difficulties that they bring, have you any inkling that this sizeable minority are experiencing compatibility issues or, as it probably more important in your view, are the Irish having problems adjusting to them living here?
The muslim population in Ireland is not large enough (yet) to be in a position to exersize any political weight. Only when Ireland is faced with the same threat as equivalent US/Europeand counrties can we judge them.
You make it sound like they're gathering numbers for an imminent attack on all we hold dear. What would you envisage an increased number of muslims pushing for in Ireland?
We need them in the Irish scrum. Pushing at angles
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 12:22:25 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Even if Britain does not exit this time the union is fatally flawed. It simply does not serve the overall interests of the members. These interests go beyond simple economic concerns. Culture has a value as well. It must be preserved. Welshmen from valleys singing their national anthem before facing Irishmen from the 4 provinces has real meaning. People are lying to themselves or others if the think this experience can be diluted.
It is being diluted. Kiwis playing for Wales who can't speak Welsh . They may even be muslim.
Again, Connacht are leading the way here.
Is there any other side in Europe that has less cultural connection with its native population ?
Man United?
Somebody had a shit Valentines weekend, needs to get his hole quick, there is a lot of tension about that lad... though only white females only, prods are better (from my experiences ::) )
Demonising an entire people as subhuman ends up with this >
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ghettos/rumkowski.html
It doesn't belong on the Gaaboard.
What about an entire sex, only yesterday it was reported 4 women were accused of adultery in Syria, and as punishment they were raped and stoned to death in a public square with the masses looking on. No word about the men who they committed adultery with.
I feel incredibly sorry for these genuine Muslim immigrants and all that they have to put up with but I also fear for Europe, esp Ireland & the UK as thats where most of my family and friends are ...
I genuinely fear for where a constant and uncapped rate of immigration into these countries would leave us all and Im not just talking about immigrants from muslim countries .. Uncapped immigration form other European countries can only lead to a bad end for all ... e.g. if location "A" is a great place to live and locations "B", "C" & "D" are all shite ... people will only stop moving to location "A" when its just a shite as the other 3 ... then we're all in the shite !!
Would it not make more sense to help locations "B", "C" & "D" become better places .. we need to help people where they currently live more .. then maybe we could end up with everyone better off and no once complaining about "themuns" !!
Also, as far as current immigration goes, whether it be from Eu countries or not ... there has to be some sort of limiting selection process ... I mean, apparently they dont even check criminal records of people coming in so we get a lot of bad B**tards coming over to "start a new life" .. yeah right, we need that :-/ !!!
So basically, help people of other countries where they are now .. cramming extremely different cultures into Europe is not the answer !!
The British & Yanks should have to shoulder the vast majority of this cost too as if them pricks hadnt went in to Iraq & Libya this shit wouldnt be happening :-( ...
BTW, i would sincerely "hope" that this post doesnt get labelled as racist or some other knee jerk reactive term to try in the 'commonest terms possible' to put down a view which doesnt pander to either the looney liberalist movement or to the business leaders who just see parallels between immigration and low wages..
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
I feel incredibly sorry for these genuine Muslim immigrants and all that they have to put up with but I also fear for Europe, esp Ireland & the UK as thats where most of my family and friends are ...
I genuinely fear for where a constant and uncapped rate of immigration into these countries would leave us all and Im not just talking about immigrants from muslim countries .. Uncapped immigration form other European countries can only lead to a bad end for all ... e.g. if location "A" is a great place to live and locations "B", "C" & "D" are all shite ... people will only stop moving to location "A" when its just a shite as the other 3 ... then we're all in the shite !!
Would it not make more sense to help locations "B", "C" & "D" become better places .. we need to help people where they currently live more .. then maybe we could end up with everyone better off and no once complaining about "themuns" !!
Also, as far as current immigration goes, whether it be from Eu countries or not ... there has to be some sort of limiting selection process ... I mean, apparently they dont even check criminal records of people coming in so we get a lot of bad B**tards coming over to "start a new life" .. yeah right, we need that :-/ !!!
So basically, help people of other countries where they are now .. cramming extremely different cultures into Europe is not the answer !!
The British & Yanks should have to shoulder the vast majority of this cost too as if them pricks hadnt went in to Iraq & Libya this shit wouldnt be happening :-( ...
BTW, i would sincerely "hope" that this post doesnt get labelled as racist or some other knee jerk reactive term to try in the 'commonest terms possible' to put down a view which doesnt pander to either the looney liberalist movement or to the business leaders who just see parallels between immigration and low wages..
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
Reasoned post and I don't think anyone on here is blindly saying "let them all in" the problem comes with people who put up random articles talking about a child or woman getting raped in isolation and say "look what immigration did" which is flat out wrong! Look we all know there are challenges and it is by no means an easy situation but to label all Muslims as rapists and terrorists is wrong just as we shouldn't blindly open up the borders to everyone! There has to be some compromise between the two that countries can let a certain amount of people in with correct background checks.
Some of the rhetoric and hatemongering on here and what's going on in Amercia is just plain ridiculous and total hypocrisy. Do the Yanks forget that they're all descended from immigrants?
We have to find a way to peacefully coexist in the world!
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2016, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
I feel incredibly sorry for these genuine Muslim immigrants and all that they have to put up with but I also fear for Europe, esp Ireland & the UK as thats where most of my family and friends are ...
I genuinely fear for where a constant and uncapped rate of immigration into these countries would leave us all and Im not just talking about immigrants from muslim countries .. Uncapped immigration form other European countries can only lead to a bad end for all ... e.g. if location "A" is a great place to live and locations "B", "C" & "D" are all shite ... people will only stop moving to location "A" when its just a shite as the other 3 ... then we're all in the shite !!
Would it not make more sense to help locations "B", "C" & "D" become better places .. we need to help people where they currently live more .. then maybe we could end up with everyone better off and no once complaining about "themuns" !!
Also, as far as current immigration goes, whether it be from Eu countries or not ... there has to be some sort of limiting selection process ... I mean, apparently they dont even check criminal records of people coming in so we get a lot of bad B**tards coming over to "start a new life" .. yeah right, we need that :-/ !!!
So basically, help people of other countries where they are now .. cramming extremely different cultures into Europe is not the answer !!
The British & Yanks should have to shoulder the vast majority of this cost too as if them pricks hadnt went in to Iraq & Libya this shit wouldnt be happening :-( ...
BTW, i would sincerely "hope" that this post doesnt get labelled as racist or some other knee jerk reactive term to try in the 'commonest terms possible' to put down a view which doesnt pander to either the looney liberalist movement or to the business leaders who just see parallels between immigration and low wages..
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
Reasoned post and I don't think anyone on here is blindly saying "let them all in" the problem comes with people who put up random articles talking about a child or woman getting raped in isolation and say "look what immigration did" which is flat out wrong! Look we all know there are challenges and it is by no means an easy situation but to label all Muslims as rapists and terrorists is wrong just as we shouldn't blindly open up the borders to everyone! There has to be some compromise between the two that countries can let a certain amount of people in with correct background checks.
Some of the rhetoric and hatemongering on here and what's going on in Amercia is just plain ridiculous and total hypocrisy. Do the Yanks forget that they're all descended from immigrants?
We have to find a way to peacefully coexist in the world!
It's amazing that the last two posts needed to be made. I agree with them completely but it's unfortunate that the general point needs to be made.
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
The liberals won't be happy until this flaming bag of poo is on their doorstep. They have no foresight on how opening the floodgates to millions of unvetted indivduals (and it looks like it's mostly opportunistic young males) is going to impact future generations.
As long as their "humanitatian" efforts make them feel all warm and cosy for now that's good enough for them.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 16, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
The liberals won't be happy until this flaming bag of poo is on their doorstep. They have no foresight on how opening the floodgates to millions of unvetted indivduals (and it looks like it's mostly opportunistic young males) is going to impact future generations.
As long as their "humanitatian" efforts make them feel all warm and cosy for now that's good enough for them.
It's amazing but true, people's attitude would soon change if 1 million refugees rocked up to Kerry, Cork, Dublin. At the moment Ireland has been relatively untouched, the attitude on here seems to be let them all in, but not into my county.
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 04:38:01 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 16, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
The liberals won't be happy until this flaming bag of poo is on their doorstep. They have no foresight on how opening the floodgates to millions of unvetted indivduals (and it looks like it's mostly opportunistic young males) is going to impact future generations.
As long as their "humanitatian" efforts make them feel all warm and cosy for now that's good enough for them.
It's amazing but true, people's attitude would soon change if 1 million refugees rocked up to Kerry, Cork, Dublin. At the moment Ireland has been relatively untouched, the attitude on here seems to be let them all in, but not into my county.
Which posters are you referring to here?
I don't get why people here are so easily drawn in by obvious wind up accounts.
That user was registered three days ago and his first post as well as all subsequent posts have been in this thread. A good troll would at least try to make it less obvious.
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2016, 04:38:01 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 16, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
The liberals won't be happy until this flaming bag of poo is on their doorstep. They have no foresight on how opening the floodgates to millions of unvetted indivduals (and it looks like it's mostly opportunistic young males) is going to impact future generations.
As long as their "humanitatian" efforts make them feel all warm and cosy for now that's good enough for them.
It's amazing but true, people's attitude would soon change if 1 million refugees rocked up to Kerry, Cork, Dublin. At the moment Ireland has been relatively untouched, the attitude on here seems to be let them all in, but not into my county.
We have 9% unemployment. Welfare costs in the country are massive. There is no money for hospitals/schools and we already have child hunger and homelessness. Yet Germany thinks we should take in thousands of refugees.
This crisis should be solved in the country it was created.
The welfare opportunists from non-conflict zones should be taken back to where they originated. Letting some in only serves to encourage more to try.
Yep, as I thought. A thread to quickly close again. Like peering in the window of a lunatic asylum!
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2016, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on February 16, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
I feel incredibly sorry for these genuine Muslim immigrants and all that they have to put up with but I also fear for Europe, esp Ireland & the UK as thats where most of my family and friends are ...
I genuinely fear for where a constant and uncapped rate of immigration into these countries would leave us all and Im not just talking about immigrants from muslim countries .. Uncapped immigration form other European countries can only lead to a bad end for all ... e.g. if location "A" is a great place to live and locations "B", "C" & "D" are all shite ... people will only stop moving to location "A" when its just a shite as the other 3 ... then we're all in the shite !!
Would it not make more sense to help locations "B", "C" & "D" become better places .. we need to help people where they currently live more .. then maybe we could end up with everyone better off and no once complaining about "themuns" !!
Also, as far as current immigration goes, whether it be from Eu countries or not ... there has to be some sort of limiting selection process ... I mean, apparently they dont even check criminal records of people coming in so we get a lot of bad B**tards coming over to "start a new life" .. yeah right, we need that :-/ !!!
So basically, help people of other countries where they are now .. cramming extremely different cultures into Europe is not the answer !!
The British & Yanks should have to shoulder the vast majority of this cost too as if them pricks hadnt went in to Iraq & Libya this shit wouldnt be happening :-( ...
BTW, i would sincerely "hope" that this post doesnt get labelled as racist or some other knee jerk reactive term to try in the 'commonest terms possible' to put down a view which doesnt pander to either the looney liberalist movement or to the business leaders who just see parallels between immigration and low wages..
It seems that if you say anything other than "open the gates and let everyone in immediately" some people get killed in the panic to call you a racist ... very lazy & tiresome argument !!
Reasoned post and I don't think anyone on here is blindly saying "let them all in" the problem comes with people who put up random articles talking about a child or woman getting raped in isolation and say "look what immigration did" which is flat out wrong! Look we all know there are challenges and it is by no means an easy situation but to label all Muslims as rapists and terrorists is wrong just as we shouldn't blindly open up the borders to everyone! There has to be some compromise between the two that countries can let a certain amount of people in with correct background checks.
Some of the rhetoric and hatemongering on here and what's going on in Amercia is just plain ridiculous and total hypocrisy. Do the Yanks forget that they're all descended from immigrants?
We have to find a way to peacefully coexist in the world!
Its not so much here but the general media that I was referring to with my comments about if you dont agree to "let them all in" that you'd be called a racist etc... ... I find that so bloody annoying .. its like being called an anti-semite if you dare to question what those Isreali pricks are doing to the people in Gaza :-[
I think the way to peacefully coexist is by all countries maintaining their own values (and we (the west) stay the f**k out of others' countries btw!!) and certainly have some, but not unchecked excessive immigration .. Help peoples in need where they live.. and for governments etc, to stop imposing their wishes on Joe Bloggs because its not the fat cat decision maker who is impacted by this .. its Joe Bloggs and when he/she gets really pissed thats when the real trouble will start !! ... I'd say Germany would be worth a watching over the next while !!
Quote from: Syferus on February 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I don't get why people here are so easily drawn in by obvious wind up accounts.
That user was registered three days ago and his first post as well as all subsequent posts have been in this thread. A good troll would at least try to make it less obvious.
Could be an "Identity Ireland" GE candidate ;)
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Interesting graph of German crime stats by nationality.
(https://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/01/26/d555b2d7df321868.jpg)
There's no denying that certain countries and cultures give rise to a greater frequency of certain types of crimes.
Surely it depends on standards of living. Scobies in Ireland commit most of the violent crimes. Those living at that level in Germany would be similar. Without the economic data it is not possible to draw conclusions.
Was just posting that seafoid. Those stats are fairly meaningless unless they're broken out further by income levels for example
The Brazilian immigrants must be rolling in it so, as they are low down the scale.
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Surely it depends on standards of living. Scobies in Ireland commit most of the violent crimes. Those living at that level in Germany would be similar. Without the economic data it is not possible to draw conclusions.
Do 'Scobies' commit the most sexual crimes in Ireland? Or are we just ignoring that stat? Or are all Algerian immigrants more 'scobie' than the immigrants from other nations? Because they are nearly top of every list, even though they are bottom of the list in terms of population. You're dismissing this info all too easily because it doesn't suit your narrative.
This all assumes that the info can be taken at face value. If it can I think it's fairly shocking.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
Look what happened in Cologne was horrible and should be condemned by everyone. . . but it wasn't just asylum seekers??!! Oh dear!!! That won't help the right narrative!!!
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
as much as I hate to piss on your chips
http://news.yahoo.com/cologne-prosecutor-majority-suspects-asylum-seekers-135156726.html
Quote from: screenexile on February 17, 2016, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
Look what happened in Cologne was horrible and should be condemned by everyone. . . but it wasn't just asylum seekers??!! Oh dear!!! That won't help the right narrative!!!
And who said it was 'just' asylum seekers? And how is this meant to be a mitigating factor either way?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
MoChara will have a rational well articulated response for this latest revelation.
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:29:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
MoChara will have a rational well articulated response for this latest revelation.
But Bremer made clear to The Local that he could not give figures on how many were refugees and how many were illegal immigrants.
He did give a breakdown of the figures on the men's citizenship, showing that the vast majority come from two countries - Morocco and Algeria.
Whereas 30 of the suspects come from Morocco and 27 are Algerian, no other nationality has more than four men being investigated, with Iraq having the third-highest at four.That would align with the BnM's German crime figures, with the former French colonies figuring prominently. DeGaulle has a lot to answer for.
I'm not sure what de Gaulle should have done differently in Algeria. Fought to the last legionnaire? For all of that, there's no denying those statistics make for grim reading.
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Surely it depends on standards of living. Scobies in Ireland commit most of the violent crimes. Those living at that level in Germany would be similar. Without the economic data it is not possible to draw conclusions.
Do 'Scobies' commit the most sexual crimes in Ireland? Or are we just ignoring that stat? Or are all Algerian immigrants more 'scobie' than the immigrants from other nations? Because they are nearly top of every list, even though they are bottom of the list in terms of population. You're dismissing this info all too easily because it doesn't suit your narrative.
This all assumes that the info can be taken at face value. If it can I think it's fairly shocking.
Poverty and crime go together
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Surely it depends on standards of living. Scobies in Ireland commit most of the violent crimes. Those living at that level in Germany would be similar. Without the economic data it is not possible to draw conclusions.
Do 'Scobies' commit the most sexual crimes in Ireland? Or are we just ignoring that stat? Or are all Algerian immigrants more 'scobie' than the immigrants from other nations? Because they are nearly top of every list, even though they are bottom of the list in terms of population. You're dismissing this info all too easily because it doesn't suit your narrative.
This all assumes that the info can be taken at face value. If it can I think it's fairly shocking.
Poverty and crime go together
So do Galway men and bottling it in big hurling games.
Bullshit statement. How about you address the points instead of throwing out generic shite.
Yeah you never hear of any white collar crime :o
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
European arms companies are making billions from the war in Syria. Join the f**king dots.
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:29:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 17, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
Looks the Independent jumped the gun.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160215/reports-of-three-refugees-in-cologne-attacks-wrong
MoChara will have a rational well articulated response for this latest revelation.
There's no defense to what the people that carried out these acts did, I wouldn't ever try and defend it
But you relished the fact that the crimes were reported to be by non immigrants, and ignored the crime all in the name of point scoring.
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
Not interested in the rest of Europe.... I said (again) that if we (Ireland) sort out our own problems first then we could have less issues with immigration....
The thing is, there are plenty examples of immigrants in the North and South that have integrated very well into Irish society and would embarrass the local natives with their work ethic and non dependency of benefits
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
Not interested in the rest of Europe.... I said (again) that if we (Ireland) sort out our own problems first then we could have less issues with immigration....
The thing is, there are plenty examples of immigrants in the North and South that have integrated very well into Irish society and would embarrass the local natives with their work ethic and non dependency of benefits
Good man, because it's not like we are in it or nothing!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
The thing is, there are plenty examples of immigrants in the North and South that have integrated very well into Irish society and would embarrass the local natives with their work ethic and non dependency of benefits
and there's plenty who don't. They aren't here for the sunshine.
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
But you relished the fact that the crimes were reported to be by non immigrants, and ignored the crime all in the name of point scoring.
I found it helped my argument at the time, why wouldn't I bring it up was it not relevant to this discussion?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
Not interested in the rest of Europe.... I said (again) that if we (Ireland) sort out our own problems first then we could have less issues with immigration....
The thing is, there are plenty examples of immigrants in the North and South that have integrated very well into Irish society and would embarrass the local natives with their work ethic and non dependency of benefits
Good man, because it's not like we are in it or nothing!
On a serious note, what age are you? as you get older you care less for what is out of your control....
Ah so was all that rant not serious. ;)
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 04:04:45 PM
Ah so was all that rant not serious. ;)
So you're not going to tell me your age? What's your priorities in life??
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Their ;)
I wonder where the starter of this thread got the idea for their user name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunter_d%27Alquen
I am sure it is just a coincidence. ;) ;)
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
And of course getting burnt out of your residence.
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
And of course getting burnt out of your residence.
47 years ago, but don't let that stop them
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
And of course getting burnt out of your residence.
47 years ago, but don't let that stop them
What would you call the polish slovakian and afghan families who were attacked by arsonists and forced to flee?
14,000 hate crimes reported in 5 years and 12 prosecutions.
NI is a haven for racist hate
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
And of course getting burnt out of your residence.
47 years ago, but don't let that stop them
What would you call the polish slovakian and afghan families who were attacked by arsonists and forced to flee?
14,000 hate crimes reported in 5 years and 12 prosecutions.
NI is a haven for racist hate
NI not great at getting convictions on a lot of murders... Over 3000 people killed during the troubles, burnt out and racists/bigotry attacks on a daily basis...
But hey we are a lovely country
Ye're NOT a Country ;)
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Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
Colourful ethnic parades, ultra capable politicians , a public sector economy
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
Colourful ethnic parades, ultra capable politicians , a public sector economy
Have you seen our Easter parades?? Generally dressed in black ;D
Politicians in the south or north you talking about ? No public sector jobs down south either I hear!!
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Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
Colourful ethnic parades, ultra capable politicians , a public sector economy
Have you seen our Easter parades?? Generally dressed in black ;D
Politicians in the south or north you talking about ? No public sector jobs down south either I here!!
I was thinking of Gregory Campbell.
Ta NI speisialta
Quote from: stew on February 16, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
This board is rife with liberal apologists who would shit themselves before posting a comment about these issues before you posted, I have been traveling and not been on here much at all but remember thus, if that arsewipe in the Whitehouse had a pair none of these issues would have happened, under a republican president a no fly zone would have beenenfirced in Syria and Europe would not be suffering the way it is.
Yes, quite. A Republican president would have started a war with Russia and all would be hunky dory.
God you conservatives are thick.
I think this is a contemptible thread and the man who started it should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
Really? You think a handful of rapists are representative of the millions of people pouring over the Syrian borders to escape certain death? You think they're representative of 1.6 billion muslims in the world? So if a yank goes on a sex tour to Thailand to have sex with a minor, is he then representative of the world's 2.1 billion christians?
What short memories you have. It wasn't so long ago, when the BBC referred to the Birmingham Six as the "Birmingham bombers," that Irish people in Britain were tarred with the same brush as the Provos. But you'd be quick to play the victim if you ever found yourself on the receiving end of that kind of treatment, wouldn't you?
Cop yourselves on you bigots. You disgusting, disgraceful bigots.
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Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Yet you worry about people receiving benefit - have you not harder battles in life than worrying about John next door getting 40 quid a week on the dole?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 18, 2016, 07:10:16 AM
I think this is a contemptible thread and the man who started it should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
Really? You think a handful of rapists are representative of the millions of people pouring over the Syrian borders to escape certain death? You think they're representative of 1.6 billion muslims in the world? So if a yank goes on a sex tour to Thailand to have sex with a minor, is he then representative of the world's 2.1 billion christians?
What short memories you have. It wasn't so long ago, when the BBC referred to the Birmingham Six as the "Birmingham bombers," that Irish people in Britain were tarred with the same brush as the Provos. But you'd be quick to play the victim if you ever found yourself on the receiving end of that kind of treatment, wouldn't you?
Cop yourselves on you bigots. You disgusting, disgraceful bigots.
Dry your f**king eyes son, call a spade a spade, these people who are flocking into Europe threat women as pure shite, women have no rights in their eyes, you want to let these people in unchecked and en mass to do what the f**k they like unchecked and when people do stand up assholes like you call them bigots, it is you who should be ashamed.
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Why would anyone want to emigrate to norn Iron?
Benefits, lower taxes (if they work) not in the same amount of debt as the South, less immigrants than the south, better education, better football team ;D
Colourful ethnic parades, ultra capable politicians , a public sector economy
Have you seen our Easter parades?? Generally dressed in black ;D
Politicians in the south or north you talking about ? No public sector jobs down south either I here!!
I was thinking of Gregory Campbell.
Ta NI speisialta
Political parties up here are a strange bunch, if its not a green/orange issue they generally get good results..... What excuses do the Southern politicians have?
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 18, 2016, 07:10:16 AM
I think this is a contemptible thread and the man who started it should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
Really? You think a handful of rapists are representative of the millions of people pouring over the Syrian borders to escape certain death? You think they're representative of 1.6 billion muslims in the world? So if a yank goes on a sex tour to Thailand to have sex with a minor, is he then representative of the world's 2.1 billion christians?
What short memories you have. It wasn't so long ago, when the BBC referred to the Birmingham Six as the "Birmingham bombers," that Irish people in Britain were tarred with the same brush as the Provos. But you'd be quick to play the victim if you ever found yourself on the receiving end of that kind of treatment, wouldn't you?
Cop yourselves on you bigots. You disgusting, disgraceful bigots.
Dry your f**king eyes son, call a spade a spade, these people who are flocking into Europe threat women as pure shite, women have no rights in their eyes, you want to let these people in unchecked and en mass to do what the f**k they like unchecked and when people do stand up assholes like you call them bigots, it is you who should be ashamed.
To be fair, in Eamonn's last sentence, he pretty much called a spade a spade.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Yet you worry about people receiving benefit - have you not harder battles in life than worrying about John next door getting 40 quid a week on the dole?
No one in my street is getting £40 quid .... They work!! Its benefit cheats or work-shy people that grind my gears.... This is money lost, which could be used in better areas like, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, care for the elderly.....
I tired of hearing that immigrants are coming here and stealing our jobs, and taking benefits, and being criminals..... What are the figures for this for here?
No immigrants have taken my job, in my previous work I dealt with one company who's production rate dropped considerably when their Polish workers went home for the week.... As for benefit cheats, where do I start?? Like I said sort out our own wastefulness and this attitude that you're owed something and we'd have a better place to live in
This stuff reminds me of when I was on Holidays last summer, I was in Spain and talking to an Irish couple that had moved out there to live but would be home 3 or 4 times a year, they were complaining about all the immigrants, I often wish I'd pulled them up on it to see what they would have said lol
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
I am talking about numbers and how Ireland couldn't sustain the number of immigrants coming to Europe, there are millions of them on the move - how would the Irish economy or the British economy cope with an extra 1 million claiming benefits or needing a house.
They wouldn't have to if they would sort themselves out internally first before looking at taking on the immigrant problems... too many out there not taking on jobs (that immigrants are doing) because they are lazy shits.... employers are taking them on because they are cheap and for any small business to make any sort of a living (because of high tax/rates/insurance) they need cheap labour ... shitty vicious circle ..
Stop paying out benefits to wasters
So a country show abandon any rights to benefits to their citizens and afford them to immigrants because they are cheaper?
We wouldn't have many immigrants if we had a tighter hold in benefits and lower employment... Immigrants are less likely to arrive somewhere where there are no incentives (employment / benefits)
Abandon benefits to the lazy feckers who abuse it..... At no point did I say give benefits to immigrants...
So if benefits stopped across Europe the immigration problem would cease!
The thing is, there are plenty examples of immigrants in the North and South that have integrated very well into Irish society and would embarrass the local natives with their work ethic and non dependency of benefits
and there's plenty who don't. They aren't here for the sunshine.
Not sure about the Rep of Ireland, but there was a figure on Newsnight that 85% of immigrants in the UK were gainfully employed and not claiming benefits of any kind, even 'in work' ones..
Quote from: FiFtH mAn TaCkLe on February 17, 2016, 07:08:35 PM
I wonder where the starter of this thread got the idea for their user name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunter_d%27Alquen
I am sure it is just a coincidence. ;) ;)
You learn a new thing every day.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
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Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Yet you worry about people receiving benefit - have you not harder battles in life than worrying about John next door getting 40 quid a week on the dole?
No one in my street is getting £40 quid .... They work!! Its benefit cheats or work-shy people that grind my gears.... This is money lost, which could be used in better areas like, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, care for the elderly.....
I tired of hearing that immigrants are coming here and stealing our jobs, and taking benefits, and being criminals..... What are the figures for this for here?
No immigrants have taken my job, in my previous work I dealt with one company who's production rate dropped considerably when their Polish workers went home for the week.... As for benefit cheats, where do I start?? Like I said sort out our own wastefulness and this attitude that you're owed something and we'd have a better place to live in
Is that you not trying to save the world, so many contradictions I don't know where to start, if you are employed and looking after your kids and are at an age where you don't worry about things you have no control over, why rant about people on benefits, and how do you know each individual case, maybe they all have their merits, by the sounds of it you live in a affluent area where no one has had the misfortune of being on the dole, but hey tar everyone with the same brush why don't you.
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
I see coldtea "no wides" is racking up the billing hours this week. Must be nearly at 85.
My 3 kids are on mid term break so I am off looking after them, but you wouldn't know about that as its all about bigfella in your world. ;)
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
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Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
You must be flat out too being able to go to the bookies at 11am any weekday!
Where did I say I go to the bookies every weekday? You can drive past these places any time and they always have people in them. The dole brigade. Give me refugees any day as at least they want to work.
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Was it Irish men who employed this cheap labour over Irish workers ?
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Where did the discarded tradesmen go - emmigrated to Australia is where. So are they just as bad as the Polish. Are they displacing Australians, where do the Australians go? Maybe to Poland.
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Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395
And here is your proof. Something doesn't add up when an ex Chairman of Goldman Sachs and BP is trying to promote human rights. Some neck on him.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
Some people are indeed better off on welfare than going to work, that's the truth. There's no incentive there for them to get off their lazy holes and do something for themselves.
Either reduce the welfare rates or increase the minimum wage (or both) to make it more palatable for these people to go out and get work.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
You truly are unbelievable - on a three page rant about people claiming benefits why don't you let them at it and you enjoy your extreme wealth. ;)
New avatar for you angry man ;D
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/10/article-2260386-16DCA922000005DC-657_634x376.jpg)
Quote from: charlieTully on February 18, 2016, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Was it Irish men who employed this cheap labour over Irish workers ?
Usually yes. I've said it before - the irish will shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Where did the discarded tradesmen go - emmigrated to Australia is where. So are they just as bad as the Polish. Are they displacing Australians, where do the Australians go? Maybe to Poland.
Either give up their trade and work in lower paid jobs or move to England.
The Polish weren't displaced - they had the opportunity to travel to a new country once they were eligible.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Obviously you're a doubly lazy cnut then, because a man once told me that all you had to do to avoid redundancy was work harder.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 19, 2016, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 18, 2016, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Was it Irish men who employed this cheap labour over Irish workers ?
Usually yes. I've said it before - the irish will shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time.
We can't really complain too much then.
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
You truly are unbelievable - on a three page rant about people claiming benefits why don't you let them at it and you enjoy your extreme wealth. ;)
All I said was if we sort out our own problems first we'd be a better place to live in... you need to stop wearing the superman cape
Quote from: foxcommander on February 19, 2016, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 18, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Where did the discarded tradesmen go - emmigrated to Australia is where. So are they just as bad as the Polish. Are they displacing Australians, where do the Australians go? Maybe to Poland.
Either give up their trade and work in lower paid jobs or move to England.
The Polish weren't displaced - they had the opportunity to travel to a new country once they were eligible.
England? Are you for real.
Quote from: Franko on February 19, 2016, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Obviously you're a doubly lazy cnut then, because a man once told me that all you had to do to avoid redundancy was work harder.
Cnut? yeah I'm lazy ::)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
You truly are unbelievable - on a three page rant about people claiming benefits why don't you let them at it and you enjoy your extreme wealth. ;)
All I said was if we sort out our own problems first we'd be a better place to live in... you need to stop wearing the superman cape
No you didn't you lambasted me for worrying about immigration and what effect it would have on us as it was out of my control and told me to concentrate on worrying about important things in life like my kids, then you went on a 3 page rant berating anyone one benefits calling them lazy shites etc, even know that is not something you can control, you truly are a contradiction, just keep counting your money and looking down on those less fortunate - those being the lazy shites who won't get a job. ::)
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
Where did I say I go to the bookies every weekday? You can drive past these places any time and they always have people in them. The dole brigade. Give me refugees any day as at least they want to work.
You get a lot of detail from a drive by do you, if the person is on sickness capacity due to mental health issues etc. and maybe finding solace getting out of the house - oh no all lazy shites stealing your money - you and Milltown must be bankrolling the country!
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Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Obviously you're a doubly lazy cnut then, because a man once told me that all you had to do to avoid redundancy was work harder.
Cnut? yeah I'm lazy ::)
Just following the logic.
If the 1000 Bombardier employees were lazy for getting made redundant, you must be an absolute sloth as it's happened you twice.
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Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Obviously you're a doubly lazy cnut then, because a man once told me that all you had to do to avoid redundancy was work harder.
Cnut? yeah I'm lazy ::)
Just following the logic.
If the 1000 Bombardier employees were lazy for getting made redundant, you must be an absolute sloth as it's happened you twice.
Complete sloth
Muslims are no different to anyone else
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Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
Where are you're stats?? Off work or just cant find a job, or just a benefit cheat ;D??
Born and reared working class and still view myself in that category.... The dole was never an option, hundreds of jobs out there, some people just think they are better Tha the job on offer or can milk more off the government to stay at home and watch the kids
You really are a total contradiction, you are getting yourself in a tizz about something you have no control over yet purport to be at an age where only the fundamental thing like your kids bother you, I always laugh at the born and reared working class and still view myself in that category group, essentially you are saying you have moved on to middle class through your income and affluent area you live in were everyone is lucky to be employed, and are better than those poor sods who for whatever reason didn't.
Certainly not, you cant be middle class if you move to a nice area.. that's like saying if I win the lotto and move to Cultra I'd be upper class, doesn't work like that, but you'd know that... I'm not in a tizz at all, you're the one giving off about Muslims, I couldn't give a shit and would rather worry about our home grown wasters using up what benefits we get on themselves when there are far more needy people out there that actually have a disability...
like I said born and reared with no silver spoon in the mouth and anything that I have achieved in life is down to good work ethics installed by my parents
You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims, you are now earning a few pounds and begrudging any poor sod who can't and through no fault of their own are relying on the state to help them care for themselves and their families yet you purport to be working class. Your parents must be very proud of you, I wonder how many of your working class peers that didn't achieve it in life do you socalise on a regular basis now, or do they have to drive audi's and live in a detached green leaf area now for you to engage with this new breed of working class!!!
I've always been earning money, that's what having a job will do for the working class you numpty... cant find a job? I've been made redundant in 2 jobs as the place closed, no fault of my own, I found a new job each time, willing to do anything worked building site for 2 years labouring ... my parents who are working class and worked very hard through their days are very proud of me, thanks... My working class peers? none of my friends have Audi's I've never owned a new car (i've a company car which is not mine) and none of my friends (myself included) went to college straight after school but generated (like myself) an education later on in life after being married and bringing up kids .....
You seem very angry, you need to enjoy life a bit more... you only get one go at it
edit: sorry not Muslims I meant immigrants ;)
Obviously you're a doubly lazy cnut then, because a man once told me that all you had to do to avoid redundancy was work harder.
Cnut? yeah I'm lazy ::)
Just following the logic.
If the 1000 Bombardier employees were lazy for getting made redundant, you must be an absolute sloth as it's happened you twice.
;D
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 02:46:09 PM
Muslims are no different to anyone else
Tell the Muslim women that.
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Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
Where did I say I go to the bookies every weekday? You can drive past these places any time and they always have people in them. The dole brigade. Give me refugees any day as at least they want to work.
You get a lot of detail from a drive by do you, if the person is on sickness capacity due to mental health issues etc. and maybe finding solace getting out of the house - oh no all lazy shites stealing your money - you and Milltown must be bankrolling the country!
I live in a small town and I know the guys I'm talking about. I've no doubt they are claiming the sick too. Maybe you are stupid enough to be happy to see a pile of wasters take tax payers money, me I'll call it as I see it. A bunch of useless c***ts who don't want to work and who can get away with it far too easy in this country. Politically I would always have been left of centre but it sickens me to hear parties of the left refuse to call this large minority out.
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Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
Where did I say I go to the bookies every weekday? You can drive past these places any time and they always have people in them. The dole brigade. Give me refugees any day as at least they want to work.
You get a lot of detail from a drive by do you, if the person is on sickness capacity due to mental health issues etc. and maybe finding solace getting out of the house - oh no all lazy shites stealing your money - you and Milltown must be bankrolling the country!
I live in a small town and I know the guys I'm talking about. I've no doubt they are claiming the sick too. Maybe you are stupid enough to be happy to see a pile of wasters take tax payers money, me I'll call it as I see it. A bunch of useless c***ts who don't want to work and who can get away with it far too easy in this country. Politically I would always have been left of centre but it sickens me to hear parties of the left refuse to call this large minority out.
Hopefully you continue to work hard unlike milltown and never be made redundant, be awful if you were seen as a lazy **** through no fault of your own!!!!
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Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
Where did I say I go to the bookies every weekday? You can drive past these places any time and they always have people in them. The dole brigade. Give me refugees any day as at least they want to work.
You get a lot of detail from a drive by do you, if the person is on sickness capacity due to mental health issues etc. and maybe finding solace getting out of the house - oh no all lazy shites stealing your money - you and Milltown must be bankrolling the country!
I live in a small town and I know the guys I'm talking about. I've no doubt they are claiming the sick too. Maybe you are stupid enough to be happy to see a pile of wasters take tax payers money, me I'll call it as I see it. A bunch of useless c***ts who don't want to work and who can get away with it far too easy in this country. Politically I would always have been left of centre but it sickens me to hear parties of the left refuse to call this large minority out.
So you are categorizing everyone on benefits based on a few lads you know in a small town - good man.
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Immigration is used to drive down wages especially for non middle class workers. It is a key part of neoliberalism
Nevermind the long term implications for the generations to come.
Plenty of tradesmen who lost their jobs due to influx of cheap labour when things started to get tight after the bust. Irish workers were discarded.
Was it Irish men who employed this cheap labour over Irish workers ?
Usually yes. I've said it before - the irish will shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time.
We can't really complain too much then.
I disagree. If there wasn't the choice of cheap "tradesmen" (and I use the term very loosely) you wouldn't have the issue.
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Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You know, you are an aggressive little p***k. Where would I get these statistics? This is anecdotal based on my own observations. Can you back anything up with stats that you spew. Can you counter what I say with stats. If you don't think there are a sizeable bunch of dole cheats and layabouts then you are blind and stupid.
Welfare fraud...http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-2-1824005-Dec2014/ How many hospital beds could these scumbags pay for?
Or
http://www.thejournal.ie/jobseekers-allowance-fraud-state-fraud-1692498-Sep2014/
Im sure they are all poles or Muslim sure.
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You know, you are an aggressive little p***k. Where would I get these statistics? This is anecdotal based on my own observations. Can you back anything up with stats that you spew. Can you counter what I say with stats. If you don't think there are a sizeable bunch of dole cheats and layabouts then you are blind and stupid.
Welfare fraud...http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-2-1824005-Dec2014/ How many hospital beds could these scumbags pay for?
Or
http://www.thejournal.ie/jobseekers-allowance-fraud-state-fraud-1692498-Sep2014/
Im sure they are all poles or Muslim sure.
So you yap and complain about a couple of boyos in your small town being benefit cheats but you aren't prepared to do anything other than blast everyone on benefits as lazy on a discussion board under an anonymous pseudonym, why don't you report them to the relevant authorities if it causes you so much heartache. And if you have't got statistics stop lambasting everyone on benefits.
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You know, you are an aggressive little p***k. Where would I get these statistics? This is anecdotal based on my own observations. Can you back anything up with stats that you spew. Can you counter what I say with stats. If you don't think there are a sizeable bunch of dole cheats and layabouts then you are blind and stupid.
Welfare fraud...http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-2-1824005-Dec2014/ How many hospital beds could these scumbags pay for?
Or
http://www.thejournal.ie/jobseekers-allowance-fraud-state-fraud-1692498-Sep2014/
Im sure they are all poles or Muslim sure.
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0929/731076-cso-unemployment-figures/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0929/731076-cso-unemployment-figures/)
So in September there were 205,300 unemployed in Ireland - how many of them in your view are cheats 205k?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34526655 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34526655)
In September in UK it was 1.77 Million - what you reckon 1.71 Million cheats?
You are a proper numpty no wides... not everyone on benefits are cheats, the lazy feckers who are well able to work and rip off the benefit system are... is that simple enough for you to work out?
As for telling authorities that there are dole cheats who are working and claiming the dole as well then you could let them know, as I'm busy working and don't have the time :o
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You know, you are an aggressive little p***k. Where would I get these statistics? This is anecdotal based on my own observations. Can you back anything up with stats that you spew. Can you counter what I say with stats. If you don't think there are a sizeable bunch of dole cheats and layabouts then you are blind and stupid.
Welfare fraud...http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-2-1824005-Dec2014/ How many hospital beds could these scumbags pay for?
Or
http://www.thejournal.ie/jobseekers-allowance-fraud-state-fraud-1692498-Sep2014/
Im sure they are all poles or Muslim sure.
So you yap and complain about a couple of boyos in your small town being benefit cheats but you aren't prepared to do anything other than blast everyone on benefits as lazy on a discussion board under an anonymous pseudonym, why don't you report them to the relevant authorities if it causes you so much heartache. And if you have't got statistics stop lambasting everyone on benefits.
You are a good man for stats - show me where I blasted "everyone on benefits" put up or shut. I clearly stated the opposite in my last post.
Big changes coming for welfare for immigrants
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768
So the gist of this thread seems to be as follows:
Muslims: Illegal actions of a small number are representative of the majority.
People on benefits: Illegal or lazy actions of a small number cannot be used to disparage the majority.
Grand so.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
You are a proper numpty no wides... not everyone on benefits are cheats, the lazy feckers who are well able to work and rip off the benefit system are... is that simple enough for you to work out?
As for telling authorities that there are dole cheats who are working and claiming the dole as well then you could let them know, as I'm busy working and don't have the time :o
You don't have time to pick up a phone and report people you know as dole cheats but you have time to post 4 pages worth of bile over a week in relation to these lazy shites, all the time you flat out working and only worrying about things in your control, you couldn't make it up.
Nowides are you going to show me where I blasted everyone on benefits? Come on you total wind bag, have you not the statistics to back it up?
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Nowides are you going to show me where I blasted everyone on benefits? Come on you total wind bag, have you not the statistics to back it up?
Not everyone - just most!
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Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
You are a proper numpty no wides... not everyone on benefits are cheats, the lazy feckers who are well able to work and rip off the benefit system are... is that simple enough for you to work out?
As for telling authorities that there are dole cheats who are working and claiming the dole as well then you could let them know, as I'm busy working and don't have the time :o
You don't have time to pick up a phone and report people you know as dole cheats but you have time to post 4 pages worth of bile over a week in relation to these lazy shites, all the time you flat out working and only worrying about things in your control, you couldn't make it up.
20 posts you Muppet, 4 pages??? You truly are a WUM.... Most posts take less than a minute to type, that's less than 20 minutes .... Now run along and save the world
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Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
You are a proper numpty no wides... not everyone on benefits are cheats, the lazy feckers who are well able to work and rip off the benefit system are... is that simple enough for you to work out?
As for telling authorities that there are dole cheats who are working and claiming the dole as well then you could let them know, as I'm busy working and don't have the time :o
You don't have time to pick up a phone and report people you know as dole cheats but you have time to post 4 pages worth of bile over a week in relation to these lazy shites, all the time you flat out working and only worrying about things in your control, you couldn't make it up.
20 posts you Muppet, 4 pages??? You truly are a WUM.... Most posts take less than a minute to type, that's less than 20 minutes .... Now run along and save the world
A phone call would take less than 20 minutes, ring and report benefit cheats as for name calling your hypocrisy knows no bounds, on one thread you slate Franko for using derogatory terminology yet you insist on derogatory remarks towards myself because I show you to a hypocrite, if you know benefit cheats report them otherwise shut the hell up.
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Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
You are a proper numpty no wides... not everyone on benefits are cheats, the lazy feckers who are well able to work and rip off the benefit system are... is that simple enough for you to work out?
As for telling authorities that there are dole cheats who are working and claiming the dole as well then you could let them know, as I'm busy working and don't have the time :o
You don't have time to pick up a phone and report people you know as dole cheats but you have time to post 4 pages worth of bile over a week in relation to these lazy shites, all the time you flat out working and only worrying about things in your control, you couldn't make it up.
20 posts you Muppet, 4 pages??? You truly are a WUM.... Most posts take less than a minute to type, that's less than 20 minutes .... Now run along and save the world
A phone call would take less than 20 minutes, ring and report benefit cheats as for name calling your hypocrisy knows no bounds, on one thread you slate Franko for using derogatory terminology yet you insist on derogatory remarks towards myself because I show you to a hypocrite, if you know benefit cheats report them otherwise shut the hell up.
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Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
You definitely have lost the run if yourself lately... Either you've lost your job to an immigrant or minding your 3 kids this week has taken its toll!! Calm down and have a beer
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Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You bring up doing whistle blowing you tool!! I sleep really well in my duck feathered quilt ;D
I think there will be a backlash against extreme Jewish wealth in the US in the not too distant future. The Kochs are straight out of Mein Kampf.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/03/10/koch-brothers-new-brand/
the US does nothing on climate change because of Koch funding
Israel is behind a lot of Islamophobia too. Zionist orgs in the US broker a lot of the filth. It is all very f**king dangerous. Ordinary Jews end up paying the price, just like the last time.
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Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Nowides are you going to show me where I blasted everyone on benefits? Come on you total wind bag, have you not the statistics to back it up?
Not everyone - just most!
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Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
Wrong again. I was referring most of the benefit cheats, not most of everyone on benefits. But you already know that. You are such a bluffer
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
You definitely have lost the run if yourself lately... Either you've lost your job to an immigrant or minding your 3 kids this week has taken its toll!! Calm down and have a beer
You keep telling me to clam down whilst continuing to rant about benefit cheats and lazy shites but you are prepared to do nothing about it but moan on a discussion board using derogatory language to those that show what a hypocrite you are, oh and then complain when someone uses derogatory language to yourself, you really are a contradiction. If you know benefit cheats and are concerned about benefit cheats why don't you and itchy report these boys - NO?
Benefit cheating is overrated. If you ask most people how big it is they'll say something stupid like 50%
In actual fact, over 60s consume far more resources than people on welfare but will never read about that in the Daily Mail.
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Quote from: No wides on February 19, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
I was once made redundant and was back in work within a few weeks. You are trying to imply my criticism is off all unemployed people while anyone with half a brain cell can see I am not. I am referring to a large minority of unemployed who have never worked and don't want to work. I am not speaking about unfortunate people who have lost their jobs and try hard to find another job.
What's that figure 75% of unemployed people, 65% - what is it, seems to me like Miltown you have an awful chip on your shoulder about people on benefits, can't be a snobby thing from Miltown as he is working class, there are government agencies to get people back to work and to vet their employment applications etc. maybe you and Miltown should report people you think are ripping the bag of it, I am sure there is a whistle blowers line, save you getting all hyped up on a discussion board and would probably help you both sleep better at night.
You bring up doing whistle blowing you tool!! I sleep really well in my duck feathered quilt ;D
More derogatory name calling what was it you said.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut muppet,slothtool and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
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Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Nowides are you going to show me where I blasted everyone on benefits? Come on you total wind bag, have you not the statistics to back it up?
Not everyone - just most!
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
Wrong again. I was referring most of the benefit cheats, not most of everyone on benefits. But you already know that. You are such a bluffer
Wrong you made a sweeping generalisation and rolled back when brought to task.
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Nowides are you going to show me where I blasted everyone on benefits? Come on you total wind bag, have you not the statistics to back it up?
Not everyone - just most!
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
Couldn't agree more milltown. Country is full of people who wouldn't get off their arses in a fit and they are the same ones blaming migrants. Where do most migrants to this country come from? Answe is UK, not Poland. Why am I not hearing people moaning about English people taking their jobs? I can't get my head around the anti refugee argument. I actually have an associate living in Ireland, originally from South America who is on Facebook warning of the "terrorist" coming from Syria to her country - the mind boggles.
And you can furnish this with statistic?
All you need to do is open your eyes and head into any bookies at 11am on any weekday and you'll find most of them there. I'm glad my tax money is supporting them so well.
Wrong again. I was referring most of the benefit cheats, not most of everyone on benefits. But you already know that. You are such a bluffer
Wrong you made a sweeping generalisation and rolled back when brought to task.
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
Benefit cheating is overrated. If you ask most people how big it is they'll say something stupid like 50%
In actual fact, over 60s consume far more resources than people on welfare but will never read about that in the Daily Mail.
It was costed in the link I posted earlier on this thread as costing 2m euro a week. It is a big problem in anyone's book and that's money could be given to deserving causes like children's hospitals it all the other thing the government took money off. A couple of thousand refugees is pittance compared to that number
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
Benefit cheating is overrated. If you ask most people how big it is they'll say something stupid like 50%
In actual fact, over 60s consume far more resources than people on welfare but will never read about that in the Daily Mail.
It was costed in the link I posted earlier on this thread as costing 2m euro a week. It is a big problem in anyone's book and that's money could be given to deserving causes like children's hospitals it all the other thing the government took money off. A couple of thousand refugees is pittance compared to that number
*Health is 14bn Itchy. 140 times bigger with far more parasites wasting money than welfare. But they are not working class, are they. And most people do not understand numbers, which helps. 10% seepage in health would Be 1400 million.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2016, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 20, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
Benefit cheating is overrated. If you ask most people how big it is they'll say something stupid like 50%
In actual fact, over 60s consume far more resources than people on welfare but will never read about that in the Daily Mail.
It was costed in the link I posted earlier on this thread as costing 2m euro a week. It is a big problem in anyone's book and that's money could be given to deserving causes like children's hospitals it all the other thing the government took money off. A couple of thousand refugees is pittance compared to that number
*Health is 14bn Itchy. 140 times bigger with far more parasites wasting money than welfare. But they are not working class, are they. And most people do not understand numbers, which helps. 10% seepage in health would Be 1400 million.
Yes Seafood but we aren't debating about health. 2m a week is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere.
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
looks like more information is being deliberately suppressed...this time it has to do with potential nuclear dirty bombs
QuotePARIS — A suspect linked to the Nov. 13 Paris attackers was found with surveillance footage of a high-ranking Belgian nuclear official, the Belgian authorities acknowledged on Thursday, raising fears that the Islamic State is trying to obtain radioactive material for a terrorist attack.
The existence of the footage, which the police in Belgium seized on Nov. 30, was confirmed by Thierry Werts, a spokesman for Belgium's federal prosecutor, after being reported in the Belgian daily newspaper La Dernière Heure.
The news set off an immediate outcry among Belgian lawmakers, who charged that they and the country had been misled about the extent of the potential threats to the country's nuclear facilities, as well as about the ambitions of the terrorist network linked to the Islamic State that used Belgium to plot the Paris attacks, which killed 130 people.
The International Atomic Energy Agency and the State Department also confirmed on Thursday a report by Reuters that radioactive material had disappeared since November in Iraq, where the Islamic State controls broad areas of territory, adding to fears that the group may be able to acquire material for an attack with newly disconcerting dimensions.
The Belgian news media, citing sources close to the investigation, said that the surveillance footage of the Belgian nuclear official had been retrieved from the home of Mohamed Bakkali, who was arrested after the attacks and is in detention on charges of terrorist activity and murder.
Belgian officials have asserted privately that Mr. Bakkali may have been involved in planning several attacks, not only those in Paris. There are currently eight people in detention in Belgium who are charged with involvement in the November attacks in Paris.
The purpose of the footage retrieved by the Belgian police was not clear. But experts and officials speculated that it could have been part of a plot to abduct the nuclear official, who was not identified but had access to secure areas of a nuclear research facility in Mol, and force him to turn over radioactive material, possibly for use in a dirty bomb.
Sébastien Berg, a spokesman for Belgium's Federal Agency for Nuclear Control, said that the agency had been informed right away of the existence of the footage and that employees had been told to increase their vigilance on the work floor. But he acknowledged that no additional guards had been hired or other measures taken to secure the perimeters of Belgium's nuclear sites.
Mr. Berg said that the authorities had "concrete indications that showed that the terrorists involved in the Paris attacks had the intention to do something involving one of our four nuclear sites."
Those sites include two power plants and a private company that produces medical isotopes, in addition to the facility in Mol, where scientists conduct research and experiments on radioactive waste to try to find safer ways to store it and reduce damage to the environment, Mr. Berg said.
He said that, if acquired, the material at the site in Mol could also be used to make a dirty bomb, which would spread radioactive material over the whole impact zone.
"If they find a way to spread such material among the population, they could do a lot of damage," he said of the terrorist network.
While a number of experts who study dirty bombs, which are known technically as radiological dispersal devices, agree that it is likely that the Islamic State and possibly other extremist groups have obtained radioactive material, they tend to play down the physical risk.
"The world is flooded with highly radioactive material," said Jim Walsh, a research associate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Security Studies Program. "A dirty bomb is not a nuclear weapon; it is a conventional weapon with radiological material strapped to it. Most experts agree that if a dirty bomb goes off, people are much more likely to be killed by the TNT than by the radiological material."
The main worry is the panic and fear that would spread if a dirty bomb were detonated, Mr. Walsh and other Western officials familiar with the topic said. There is also the risk of significant costs, because radioactive material is expensive to clean up.
Members of Belgium's Parliament expressed outrage in a regular session on Thursday, saying that the interior minister, Jan Jambon, had told them in January that there was no specific threat to nuclear facilities.
"Your services possessed this videotape since Nov. 30, and the nuclear
control agency was informed immediately," said Jean-Marc Nollet, a Parliament member from Ecolo, Belgium's green party. "So I don't understand how you could have been in possession of this video since Nov. 30, but on Jan. 13, when I questioned you on this, you answered, 'There is no specific threat to the nuclear facilities.' "
"I agree we shouldn't give in to panic, but between giving in to panic and denying the magnitude of the risks, there is a big difference," Mr. Nollet said.
Mr. Jambon responded that after viewing the tapes, the ministry had determined that there was a threat "to the person in question, but not the nuclear facilities."
The International Atomic Energy Agency identified the material missing in Iraq as iridium-192, a highly radioactive isotope that is sometimes sought for use in dirty bombs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/world/europe/belgium-nuclear-official-video-paris-attacks.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/world/europe/belgium-nuclear-official-video-paris-attacks.html?_r=1)
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Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
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Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
This is my original post, I stand by it.... I don't think there is a poster on this board who'll not support not paying benefits out to to dole junkies....
Made redundant cause the place closed down and took redundancy as a package to move to another job!! (you really do have a hard on!!) what is your problem?? You've way too much anger..... Relax no one really gives a fcuk
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
This is my original post, I stand by it.... I don't think there is a poster on this board who'll not support not paying benefits out to to dole junkies....
Made redundant cause the place closed down and took redundancy as a package to move to another job!! (you really do have a hard on!!) what is your problem?? You've way too much anger..... Relax no one really gives a fcuk
You do or else you wouldn't be trolling me. As for anger you are the one calling names - and crying on another board because another poster is doing the same to you, you really couldn't make it up. Now you are into sexual tendencies, whatever turns you on - i said it before and I'll say it again if you have issues with people receiving benefits report them, otherwise go back to polishing your company car and drive round to mammys to make her proud.
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
This is my original post, I stand by it.... I don't think there is a poster on this board who'll not support not paying benefits out to to dole junkies....
Made redundant cause the place closed down and took redundancy as a package to move to another job!! (you really do have a hard on!!) what is your problem?? You've way too much anger..... Relax no one really gives a fcuk
You do or else you wouldn't be trolling me. As for anger you are the one calling names - and crying on another board because another poster is doing the same to you, you really couldn't make it up. Now you are into sexual tendencies, whatever turns you on - i said it before and I'll say it again if you have issues with people receiving benefits report them, otherwise go back to polishing your company car and drive round to mammys to make her proud.
You're replying to me FFS!! That's not me trolling you... I don't polish my car either I get the immigrants to do it as they work hard and don't claim benefits...
I don't cry either on discussion boards, this isn't real life nor does it change things that actually matter, you do understand that??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 11:07:09 AM
You're replying to me FFS!! That's not me trolling you... I don't polish my car either I get the immigrants to do it as they work hard and don't claim benefits...
I don't cry either on discussion boards, this isn't real life nor does it change things that actually matter, you do understand that??
That sums you up, hint of racism and lambasting once again
anyone on benefits, for someone who is too busy with important things in life you have an awful spare time to yap and cry on a discussion board- there you go i googled it for you - If you suspect a benefit cheat. You can report a suspected benefit cheat anonymously online - or call 0800 854 44, knock yourself out!
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 11:37:35 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 11:07:09 AM
You're replying to me FFS!! That's not me trolling you... I don't polish my car either I get the immigrants to do it as they work hard and don't claim benefits...
I don't cry either on discussion boards, this isn't real life nor does it change things that actually matter, you do understand that??
That sums you up, hint of racism and lambasting once again anyone on benefits, for someone who is too busy with important things in life you have an awful spare time to yap and cry on a discussion board- there you go i googled it for you - If you suspect a benefit cheat. You can report a suspected benefit cheat anonymously online - or call 0800 854 44, knock yourself out!
Let it go, let it go angry boy, I'll let you have last word, I didn't realise they let hoganstand posters on
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
That's probably because that's what "diversity" actually means to these folk. it's just a politically correct way to define racism.
I know but, up to this point, it was never framed that way over here on the liberal side. it was always "a% white, b%hispanic, c%asian, d%african American etc". They seemed to have dropped the pretence now. At least it is a more honest approach.
It is also a uniquely American/European phenomenon. I was sitting in a meeting with a bunch of Chinese engineers once. I was the only non-Chinese in the meeting so while we were chit-chatting after the meeting I cracked a joke about needing to diversify. How they laughed. "we are in china, what do you expect but Chinese" was the general gist of the replies. A couple of them didn't see the humour though as they stared daggers at me. They were lads that had worked in the US and understood the issue. It was if I had suddenly polluted some minds with decadent western ideals.
I decided not to mention Tibet so as not to darken their mood further...... ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 01:49:05 PM
Let it go, let it go angry boy, I'll let you have last word, I didn't realise they let hoganstand posters on
Seriously who writes your material. :o
Quote from: foxcommander on February 21, 2016, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
That's probably because that's what "diversity" actually means to these folk. it's just a politically correct way to define racism.
Right, whites have been soooo victimized in the US. And its got nothing whatsoever to do with the traditionally low rates of enrollment of minorities at these universities. God forbid that people should be encouraged if those trends are starting to be reversed. ::)
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
Probably similar to the unionists in Northern Ireland considering any moves towards inclusion of catholics to be a sell-out.
White people being such victims of institutional and cultural racism in the US and all, I mean...
What country does not use some form of class/colour/religion to abuse or attack?
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2016, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
Probably similar to the unionists in Northern Ireland considering any moves towards inclusion of catholics to be a sell-out.
White people being such victims of institutional and cultural racism in the US and all, I mean...
You Donegal lads did a good job reducing the protestant population in Donegal by over 60% post independence. Bet that didn't get discussed too much in the J70 household growing up..who knows maybe there are some dark ethnic cleansing skeletons rattling around your own family tree ??
Of course you wouldn't really want to deal with such unpleasantness. It is much easier for you to go over to the US, take advantage of all the opportunity they offer you whilst, all the while, hectoring and lecturing at every opportunity.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2016, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
Probably similar to the unionists in Northern Ireland considering any moves towards inclusion of catholics to be a sell-out.
White people being such victims of institutional and cultural racism in the US and all, I mean...
You Donegal lads did a good job reducing the protestant population in Donegal by over 60% post independence. Bet that didn't get discussed too much in the J70 household growing up..who knows maybe there are some dark ethnic cleansing skeletons rattling around your own family tree ??
Of course you wouldn't really want to deal with such unpleasantness. It is much easier for you to go over to the US, take advantage of all the opportunity they offer you whilst, all the while, hectoring and lecturing at every opportunity.
That made me laugh. ;D
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2016, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 21, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
A lot of puzzling things are happening. I was driving along the other day over here in the US listening to NPR. There was a professor from some university in Colorado on the show. She was talking about how the student enrolment is now 58% non-white. I was surprised because Colorado is a predominantly white state. That is not the main point however, what was most troubling was the way she so blatantly framed the data as non-white versus white. Both she and the presenter positively purred over the data. What is up with that ? ??? No wonder some people over here consider "diversity" to be a codeword for anti-white.
Probably similar to the unionists in Northern Ireland considering any moves towards inclusion of catholics to be a sell-out.
White people being such victims of institutional and cultural racism in the US and all, I mean...
You Donegal lads did a good job reducing the protestant population in Donegal by over 60% post independence. Bet that didn't get discussed too much in the J70 household growing up..who knows maybe there are some dark ethnic cleansing skeletons rattling around your own family tree ??
Of course you wouldn't really want to deal with such unpleasantness. It is much easier for you to go over to the US, take advantage of all the opportunity they offer you whilst, all the while, hectoring and lecturing at every opportunity.
Nah, I'm from a part of Donegal with a healthy protestant population. They still have much of the better farmland in the area in fact.
But assuming, for the sake of argument, that my ancestors did in fact drive protestants out of our parish, quite what something that happened two or three generations before I was even born has to do with what minorities in the US are currently dealing with is beyond me. Furthermore, even if my ancestors HAD taken part in ethnic cleansing, how would that invalidate or having anything whatsoever to do with any opinion I express here? Is your opinion limited by what your grandfather or great grandfather did? If your uncle was a paedophile priest, would that mean that you couldn't condemn child abuse?
Any other red herrings to introduce to the discussion? If you want to discuss the downtrodden status of the Donegal protestant or, in general, the people across the board who were uprooted in the 20s and 60s/70s, then feel free to start a thread on it.
The fact is that there is a fake victimhood/persecution complex among the white GOP base today. White christians are apparently under siege from a whole range of groups (gays, environmentalists, atheists, muslims, feminists, the federal government, immigrants etc. etc.) if you listen to Fox News, talk radio, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and the rest, and they want their country back!
So talking about changing race/religious demographics in the place you were born in is a "red herring" yet pontificating on the same issues in your adopted home is grand..... ::) btw are you a permanent resident or are you US citizen ?
Regardless of the history between protestant/catholic the ethnic cleansing of protestants from the south and, especially in Donegal, is a shameful episode in Irish history and it is something that gets swept under the carpet. Not only did you fail to acknowledge how shameful it was you couldn't resist getting a dig in about them "having much of the better farmland". I sense there is plenty of homegrown bigotry underneath that liberal veneer of yours.
Getting on a plane is like confession for lads like you. It seems to absolve you of all race/religious guilt leaving you free to preach to the nasty, white racists in 'murica.
Speaking of diversity, the NACB must be the whitest sporting organization in America. We used to play soccer with a bunch of lads of different backgrounds e.g Hispanic, east European. We convinced a few of them to play GAA. One of the Honduran lads described finals as "the clan at play" ;D It was a joke of course and we all took it in good humour but with the extreme whiteness on view, all the celtic crosses etc it was hard not to see how it might look like to someone like him.
Irish people are extremely cliquey yet we seem to produce some of the most strident, insistent voices for "diversity for others (but not for us)" that I know of. It is a very peculiar national trait.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
So talking about changing race/religious demographics in the place you were born in is a "red herring" yet pontificating on the same issues in your adopted home is grand..... ::) btw are you a permanent resident or are you US citizen ?
Er yes... talking about something that happened almost a hundred years ago, which has zero relevance to the topic at hand, and implying that it has some relevance to my opinion on the topic at hand, is a complete red herring.
But feel free to tell us how the ethnic cleansing, supposedly by my ancestors, in parts of Ireland post-partition has any relevance to my opinions on the imagined persecution of white people in America today and the real legacy that minorities in America have to contend with.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
Regardless of the history between protestant/catholic the ethnic cleansing of protestants from the south and, especially in Donegal, is a shameful episode in Irish history and it is something that gets swept under the carpet. Not only did you fail to acknowledge how shameful it was you couldn't resist getting a dig in about them "having much of the better farmland". I sense there is plenty of homegrown bigotry underneath that liberal veneer of yours.
It was a tongue in cheek response to an idiotic ad hominem attack (like I said, what the f**k have anything my ancestors did or did not do got to do with this discussion?). I don't personally give a bollocks. And I've never heard anyone else complain either. Simply a legacy of history, and even if some stuck-in-the-past moron did/does care, given modern agricultural technology, it would not be a big deal today.
And yeah, ethnic cleansing was and is shameful, wherever and whenever it has or does occur. Something that hardly needs saying. Or maybe it does when the psychology minors are about, "cleverly" reading between the lines...
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
Getting on a plane is like confession for lads like you. It seems to absolve you of all race/religious guilt leaving you free to preach to the nasty, white racists in 'murica.
I don't have any religious guilt. Why would I?
As for race, I'm well aware of my privileged position as a white male in the US. Its a shame the GOP can't acknowledge white privilege, but that would pretty much alienate the base they've been cultivating for years with the politics of white resentment.
As for preaching, you're fairly presumptuous and full of shit yourself, coming on here in your fourth and fifth post and telling us what we apparently really think and feel.
Relax. You seem a bit stressed.
It is a common reaction amongst virtue signallers that they overreact when anyone questions their own virtue. Also an ad hominem attack is directed at a person rather than a position. If you keep making highly partisan attacks on certain issues then you blur this distinction so your charge is disingenuous. Ann Coulter is a case in point.
You need to learn a little humility. Instead of constantly sneering at your political enemies you should really try to understand their position.
It's also interesting that you mention white privilege as it gets to the heart of the matter. Can you give a concrete example of when you personally had to give up some of this white privilege that you speak of ? It is meaningless to simply talk about white privilege and get all high and mighty about it unless you consciously, deliberately give it up.
My guess is you are college educated and that education has enabled you to lead a comfortable middle class life in the US. The truth is that when people talk about checking white privilege it means the working/lower middle class having their white privilege forcibly checked. It has minimal impact on our "class".
Like you I am aware of my white privilege but I don't feel any need to give it up or insist that others do so.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 04:20:28 AM
Relax. You seem a bit stressed.
It is a common reaction amongst virtue signallers that they overreact when anyone questions their own virtue. Also an ad hominem attack is directed at a person rather than a position. If you keep making highly partisan attacks on certain issues then you blur this distinction so your charge is disingenuous. Ann Coulter is a case in point.
You need to learn a little humility. Instead of constantly sneering at your political enemies you should really try to understand their position.
It's also interesting that you mention white privilege as it gets to the heart of the matter. Can you give a concrete example of when you personally had to give up some of this white privilege that you speak of ? It is meaningless to simply talk about white privilege and get all high and mighty about it unless you consciously, deliberately give it up.
My guess is you are college educated and that education has enabled you to lead a comfortable middle class life in the US. The truth is that when people talk about checking white privilege it means the working/lower middle class having their white privilege forcibly checked. It has minimal impact on our "class".
Like you I am aware of my white privilege but I don't feel any need to give it up or insist that others do so.
Instead of addressing the points I made, you went off on a tangent questioning my right to even make those points, based on some speculated role my ancestors played in the expulsion of protestants from Donegal back in the 20s.
That's a pretty clear-cut example of an ad hominem attack in anyone's book. You attacked the person, not the argument.
And spare me the humility bullshit. Seriously. You've been here two days and you're already arrogantly attacking and making pronouncements about people you know nothing about.
As for sneering, well, some things deserve it. Not every opinion is worthy of respect. If you want to mount a defense of the crazier elements of the GOP platform and agenda, go for it.
Your white privilege bit doesn't make any sense. How can you say that someone can talk about ONLY if they've had to give it up? If I lost out on a job due to an affirmative action decision (and I have), what does that prove? The evidence lies in the differing everyday experiences and outcomes of people who are and are not white. Not on some single event in the life of a white person.
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
Your white privilege bit doesn't make any sense. How can you say that someone can talk about ONLY if they've had to give it up? If I lost out on a job due to an affirmative action decision (and I have), what does that prove?
What it "proves" depends on how you react to it. The appropriate reaction is to be outraged that you were discriminated on the basis if your skin colour. That, however, is not your reaction. You positively welcome it with masochistic glee....as if you have "done your bit" for diversity.
I have worked in tech for 20 years and for a good share of that I was in charge of hiring. We were explicitly told to hire "diversity" candidates. Not only that but I never even received resumes from white candidates when I was in a bay area position. They are simply filtered out. It is quite outrageous what is going on.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
Your white privilege bit doesn't make any sense. How can you say that someone can talk about ONLY if they've had to give it up? If I lost out on a job due to an affirmative action decision (and I have), what does that prove?
What it "proves" depends on how you react to it. The appropriate reaction is to be outraged that you were discriminated on the basis if your skin colour. That, however, is not your reaction. You positively welcome it with masochistic glee....as if you have "done your bit" for diversity.
I have worked in tech for 20 years and for a good share of that I was in charge of hiring. We were explicitly told to hire "diversity" candidates. Not only that but I never even received resumes from white candidates when I was in a bay area position. They are simply filtered out. It is quite outrageous what is going on.
"Masochistic glee"??
Well jaysus, thanks for, once again, telling me what I felt and thought when I made no comment whatsoever on my reaction.
As for the rest, one anecdote does not prove anything. No one said an individual company couldn't go too far the other way.
Is there any evidence that, overall, white men are suffering due to affirmative action policies? Is the "Lakisha-Jamal" study no longer valid?
Quote from: J70 on February 23, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
Your white privilege bit doesn't make any sense. How can you say that someone can talk about ONLY if they've had to give it up? If I lost out on a job due to an affirmative action decision (and I have), what does that prove?
What it "proves" depends on how you react to it. The appropriate reaction is to be outraged that you were discriminated on the basis if your skin colour. That, however, is not your reaction. You positively welcome it with masochistic glee....as if you have "done your bit" for diversity.
I have worked in tech for 20 years and for a good share of that I was in charge of hiring. We were explicitly told to hire "diversity" candidates. Not only that but I never even received resumes from white candidates when I was in a bay area position. They are simply filtered out. It is quite outrageous what is going on.
"Masochistic glee"??
Well jaysus, thanks for, once again, telling me what I felt and thought when I made no comment whatsoever on my reaction.
As for the rest, one anecdote does not prove anything. No one said an individual company couldn't go too far the other way.
Is there any evidence that, overall, white men are suffering due to affirmative action policies? Is the "Lakisha-Jamal" study no longer valid?
J70 - just a question
If the future of your family depended on getting this one job that was available would you be as supportive of "affirmitive" discrimination?
Well, it was very important at the time.
And even if I did personally resent the outcome, that does not make the affirmative action programme wrong.
How many times did someone look more favourably on my application because I'm white, and not some black kid called T'Shawn from a troubled part of the city?
We all complain or curse the rules and regs when it's personally inconvenient. Doesn't mean they're not important and for the greater good.
Was the policy in NI post-1998 to increase the proportion of catholics in the police wrong?
Quote from: J70 on February 23, 2016, 04:41:31 PM
Well, it was very important at the time.
And even if I did personally resent the outcome, that does not make the affirmative action programme wrong.
How many times did someone look more favourably on my application because I'm white, and not some black kid called T'Shawn from a troubled part of the city?
We all complain or curse the rules and regs when it's personally inconvenient. Doesn't mean they're not important and for the greater good.
Was the policy in NI post-1998 to increase the proportion of catholics in the police wrong?
Was that an answer to my question?
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 23, 2016, 04:41:31 PM
Well, it was very important at the time.
And even if I did personally resent the outcome, that does not make the affirmative action programme wrong.
How many times did someone look more favourably on my application because I'm white, and not some black kid called T'Shawn from a troubled part of the city?
We all complain or curse the rules and regs when it's personally inconvenient. Doesn't mean they're not important and for the greater good.
Was the policy in NI post-1998 to increase the proportion of catholics in the police wrong?
Was that an answer to my question?
Yes.
But if you want a simple direct answer, that would be "yes" too.
Like I said, when it did happen, I missed out on a major opportunity, a career changing one, even if I didn't have a family at the time.
And the question reminds me of someone asking me, when one of my parents had died, if I was questioning my atheism in light of what had happened. And my answer was "no". While it would be nice if dead family and friends would pass on to a better or even another existence, that didn't change the facts. Same goes for this. Personal inconvenience is irrelevant.
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Was that an answer to my question?
Yes.
But if you want a simple direct answer, that would be "yes" too.
Like I said, when it did happen, I missed out on a major opportunity, a career changing one, even if I didn't have a family at the time.
And the question reminds me of someone asking me, when one of my parents had died, if I was questioning my atheism in light of what had happened. And my answer was "no". While it would be nice if dead family and friends would pass on to a better or even another existence, that didn't change the facts. Same goes for this. Personal inconvenience is irrelevant.
Wow - you'd be happy to support a policy that discriminates even if it means you'll go under and your family hit skid row.
If this wasn't a theoretical question I doubt you'd give that answer.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Was that an answer to my question?
Yes.
But if you want a simple direct answer, that would be "yes" too.
Like I said, when it did happen, I missed out on a major opportunity, a career changing one, even if I didn't have a family at the time.
And the question reminds me of someone asking me, when one of my parents had died, if I was questioning my atheism in light of what had happened. And my answer was "no". While it would be nice if dead family and friends would pass on to a better or even another existence, that didn't change the facts. Same goes for this. Personal inconvenience is irrelevant.
Wow - you'd be happy to support a policy that discriminates even if it means you'll go under and your family hit skid row.
If this wasn't a theoretical question I doubt you'd give that answer.
So I'd be on skid row because of one failed job application?
Get a grip.
And don't presume to project your own feelings and opinions onto others.
Finally, discrimination is not automatically wrong or immoral.
What do you think should be done, Foxcommander, to address the issues affirmative action has tried to address? What about the kid who doesn't get a call back due to his "ghetto" name, while the identical cv with the white sounding name does? Is the policy to address the under-recruitment of catholics in the PSNI wrong?
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
Finally, discrimination is not automatically wrong or immoral.
WHAT???
Did I just read that ?
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Was that an answer to my question?
Yes.
But if you want a simple direct answer, that would be "yes" too.
Like I said, when it did happen, I missed out on a major opportunity, a career changing one, even if I didn't have a family at the time.
And the question reminds me of someone asking me, when one of my parents had died, if I was questioning my atheism in light of what had happened. And my answer was "no". While it would be nice if dead family and friends would pass on to a better or even another existence, that didn't change the facts. Same goes for this. Personal inconvenience is irrelevant.
Wow - you'd be happy to support a policy that discriminates even if it means you'll go under and your family hit skid row.
If this wasn't a theoretical question I doubt you'd give that answer.
So I'd be on skid row because of one failed job application?
Get a grip.
And don't presume to project your own feelings and opinions onto others.
Finally, discrimination is not automatically wrong or immoral.
That wasn't the question I gave you. You avoided answering it.
I'd bet you wouldn't be on your lofty perch if your survival was at stake.
You'd rather go hungry and homeless? Get a grip.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 22, 2016, 01:57:30 AM
Speaking of diversity, the NACB must be the whitest sporting organization in America. We used to play soccer with a bunch of lads of different backgrounds e.g Hispanic, east European. We convinced a few of them to play GAA. One of the Honduran lads described finals as "the clan at play" ;D It was a joke of course and we all took it in good humour but with the extreme whiteness on view, all the celtic crosses etc it was hard not to see how it might look like to someone like him.
Irish people are extremely cliquey yet we seem to produce some of the most strident, insistent voices for "diversity for others (but not for us)" that I know of. It is a very peculiar national trait.
I definitely agree! I always wondered how we could be welcomed everywhere we travel but hostile to "foreigner's" on our own soil.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
Was that an answer to my question?
Yes.
But if you want a simple direct answer, that would be "yes" too.
Like I said, when it did happen, I missed out on a major opportunity, a career changing one, even if I didn't have a family at the time.
And the question reminds me of someone asking me, when one of my parents had died, if I was questioning my atheism in light of what had happened. And my answer was "no". While it would be nice if dead family and friends would pass on to a better or even another existence, that didn't change the facts. Same goes for this. Personal inconvenience is irrelevant.
Wow - you'd be happy to support a policy that discriminates even if it means you'll go under and your family hit skid row.
If this wasn't a theoretical question I doubt you'd give that answer.
So I'd be on skid row because of one failed job application?
Get a grip.
And don't presume to project your own feelings and opinions onto others.
Finally, discrimination is not automatically wrong or immoral.
That wasn't the question I gave you. You avoided answering it.
I'd bet you wouldn't be on your lofty perch if your survival was at stake.
You'd rather go hungry and homeless? Get a grip.
Ive already answered it,a number of times.
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
The US government and other state and local governments currently prioritize military veterans when it comes to hiring.
Is that wrong?
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
The US government and other state and local governments currently prioritize military veterans when it comes to hiring.
Is that wrong?
Prioritising and discriminating are very different. I'd thought you'd already understand that.
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
The US government and other state and local governments currently prioritize military veterans when it comes to hiring.
Is that wrong?
Prioritising and discriminating are very different. I'd thought you'd already understand that.
Yes, the military person is prioritized, the equally or more qualified non-military person who loses out to the military person is discriminated against.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
It's people like you who are promoting unfair practices. If someone was good enough I'd hire them. Don't care about names or where they are from.If they have the enthusiasm and attitude you're looking for it doesn't matter what they look like.
Your approach is pandering to lobby groups and propagating the problem of "evening up scores" to make Rev Al and Jesse happy because they've made you feel guilty. And you are too weak to call their BS.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
It's people like you who are promoting unfair practices. If someone was good enough I'd hire them. Don't care about names or where they are from.If they have the enthusiasm and attitude you're looking for it doesn't matter what they look like.
Your approach is pandering to lobby groups and propagating the problem of "evening up scores" to make Rev Al and Jesse happy because they've made you feel guilty. And you are too weak to call their BS.
Ah, now I get it.
So because YOU wouldn't discriminate, and because you don't like Al Sharpton, the whole thing is a scam.
Thanks for that.
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
It's people like you who are promoting unfair practices. If someone was good enough I'd hire them. Don't care about names or where they are from.If they have the enthusiasm and attitude you're looking for it doesn't matter what they look like.
Your approach is pandering to lobby groups and propagating the problem of "evening up scores" to make Rev Al and Jesse happy because they've made you feel guilty. And you are too weak to call their BS.
Ah, now I get it.
So because YOU wouldn't discriminate, and because you don't like Al Sharpton, the whole thing is a scam.
Thanks for that.
You don't get it. But at least you think you do which is comfort enough.
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
It's people like you who are promoting unfair practices. If someone was good enough I'd hire them. Don't care about names or where they are from.If they have the enthusiasm and attitude you're looking for it doesn't matter what they look like.
Your approach is pandering to lobby groups and propagating the problem of "evening up scores" to make Rev Al and Jesse happy because they've made you feel guilty. And you are too weak to call their BS.
Ah, now I get it.
So because YOU wouldn't discriminate, and because you don't like Al Sharpton, the whole thing is a scam.
Thanks for that.
You don't get it. But at least you think you do which is comfort enough.
Was your point NOT that YOU PERSONALLY don't discriminate and Al Sharpton is a w**ker, therefore affirmative action is a scam where no problem exists?
Please correct what I "don't get".
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on February 24, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
My feelings, in the ludicrous scenario where my life went down the tubes solely because some black person got chosen ahead of me, are irrelevant. Let's say my life was in a state where EVERYTHING teetered on this one job application and in my desperation I blamed affirmative action policy and raged against it. What does that prove? It certainly doesn't prove the policy is wrong. It might indicate that I'm blaming others and outside events when there may have been things I could and should have done to improve my situation.
Basically, you appear to be trying to claim that no one should support a policy because, as with any policy, it might come back to bite them personally, regardless of the greater benefit. Some society it is that you envision!
Regardless, I have been personally impacted by this particular policy. It was a big disappointment for me at the time, but I understood it, appreciated the overall purpose, and moved on. Hopefully the person who was chosen on account of the diversity policy made the most of their opportunity.
Now I've answered your question. How about you answering mine?
No, I believe that if you're good enough you'll get the chance. What you advocate is discrimination.
2 kids go for a job but one won't get the chance, even if they are better suited because they don't meet the diversity quota. Because of this policy their life is affected and they give up. They don't go on to meet their full potential. How is that fair?
Hope this doesn't happen your kids. You'll only have yourself to blame.
Do you live in some utopia where racism and prejudice does not exist?
It's people like you who are promoting unfair practices. If someone was good enough I'd hire them. Don't care about names or where they are from.If they have the enthusiasm and attitude you're looking for it doesn't matter what they look like.
Your approach is pandering to lobby groups and propagating the problem of "evening up scores" to make Rev Al and Jesse happy because they've made you feel guilty. And you are too weak to call their BS.
Ah, now I get it.
So because YOU wouldn't discriminate, and because you don't like Al Sharpton, the whole thing is a scam.
Thanks for that.
You don't get it. But at least you think you do which is comfort enough.
Was your point NOT that YOU PERSONALLY don't discriminate and Al Sharpton is a w**ker, therefore affirmative action is a scam where no problem exists?
Please correct what I "don't get".
"Was your point not" - some way to start a sentence
F&#k me you're a confused individual. Tripping over yourself to appear politically correct and at the same time advocating discrimination.
NURSE!!!
You don't want answer the question, so... insults.
Suit yourself.
J70, your military comparison is ludicrous. The fact that you equate legitimate benefits accruing from national service to discrimination based on skin colour shows me how far people like you are prepared to go to defend a rotten system.
wrt to your mention of Al Sharpton,As I mentioned earlier that I did not interview any white workers during my time in the bay area. The other group conspicuous by their absence were African-americans. You can be sure that this was not for want of trying by HR. This is a problem that needs to be tackled way further back in the educational system. However, the key take away is that the whole goal of affirmative action has been completely usurped by corporate globalists and liberal zealots. Practically all the candidates I interviewed and all the ones that were hired were either Indians or Chinese who had arrived in the US anywhere from 3-5 years previously. There is no way in the wide earthly world that this policy can be seen to address historical discrimination in the US.
There are two main drivers here. Insane liberals who continue, with no end in sight, to insist that white kids pay for the sins of past generations. The other driving force is Zuckerberg et al who have sold you a pup. It used to be that companies would move abroad to take advantage of cheaper labour. Why bother when you can just import that labour under the guise of "diversity".
Whatever about the US, Europe has turned into a complete basket case.The guilty verdicts have come in on the Rotherham sex abuse case. What is more interesting is to look into the attitudes of some of the key players. These are some quotes from an article about prof Alexis jay and the chief prosecutor for the region in question.
QuoteWhen she wrote the report, the chapter that gave her the most sleepless nights was about the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Almost all of them were from Rotherham's Pakistani-heritage community, which makes up just 3.1% of the local population. She cringes slightly when I ask her to explain the overrepresentation. "It's a very complex issue and I am not an expert," she begins. I say that she is surely more of an expert than almost anyone else. There's a long pause. "I understood that the community in Rotherham were described as coming from possibly three villages in Kashmir, and that this identification was very important to them. Their traditions and relationships, these were not sophisticated, they were very traditional. I was told by many people that previous generations had a different view about women's place in their culture and their society that certainly wouldn't accord with any sense that we have."
Nazir Afzal, chief crown prosecutor for the north-west and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) lead on child sexual exploitation,. explained the overrepresentation of Pakistani men in on-street grooming crimes by pointing to the fact they are more likely to work in the night-time economy in Rotherham. "I'm sceptical about that, not for a principled reason because I haven't done the research, but from my gut," says Jay. "I think it presents an opportunity but it doesn't present a motive. There are many people involved in the night-time economy who don't abuse."
Much of the reporting around the Jay report said she had accused Rotherham council and police of failing to tackle sexual exploitation because of a misplaced political correctness. Yet Jay, quite deliberately, never used that term. "I have an aversion to phrases like that," she says. Instead, she believes the Labour-dominated council turned a blind eye to the problem because of "their desire to accommodate a community that would be expected to vote Labour, to not rock the boat, to keep a lid on it, to hope it would go away.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/13/alexis-jay-politicians-rotherham-report-child-sex-abuse-social-worker-claims-westminster-bbc-nhs (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/13/alexis-jay-politicians-rotherham-report-child-sex-abuse-social-worker-claims-westminster-bbc-nhs)
So the woman who wrote the report , who has confronted all the facts of this heinous case has "the most sleepless nights" about the fact that the majority of perpetrators are Pakistani....wtf ::) . You can almost see the pained expression on her face and her hand wringing as she delivers some quasi-apology about "different views on women"...and she won't use the term "political correctness"...
Then you have the chief prosecutor for the region....(the chief f**king prosecutor !!)....... basically offering excuses for the preponderance of Pakistani suspects.
1400 victims in a town of ~80000.....This insanity must stop. Liberals and the left need to hold their hands up and admit they have greviously failed. This is why white America is flocking to trump and Labour have lost the white working class to Ukip and the tories ......and they are never coming back.
Congratulations, Jimmy. You've found an incident in which the majority of the perps are Pakistani.
You remind me of people who complain about "black-on-black" crime in America. Sure, in cities where there's a large proportion of black people, a large proportion of the criminals are going to be black. I'd imagine that in a city that's mostly white, the majority of the people who commit crimes there are going to be white. The demographics of local crime figures are generally going to reflect the demographics of the local population. This is the way of things.
Meanwhile, people like you are so busy getting outraged by the actions of a few Pakistanis that you don't notice the far bigger numbers of them going about their law-abiding business peacefully. This is what racists do.
This attitude of tarring an entire ethnic group with the same brush as the criminals from said group is the same racist bullshit that led to the wrongful imprisonment of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four. For an Irishman to lower himself to the same nonsense is an embarrassing disgrace.
"Being Irish means they're guilty, so they're guilty one and all" as the song says. Have you ever sang that song yourself, Jimmy? Have you ever listened to it and had your blood boil by it? Because if so then you're a hypocrite of the highest order. If internment in the north was a recruiting drive for the Provos, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why radicalization is taking place in countries like the UK now. Anybody who tars all muslims with the same brush as muslim criminals and terrorists is no different from the "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" crowd in England, and I hold people like you personally responsible for said radicalization.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:33 AM
J70, your military comparison is ludicrous. The fact that you equate legitimate benefits accruing from national service to discrimination based on skin colour shows me how far people like you are prepared to go to defend a rotten system.
wrt to your mention of Al Sharpton,As I mentioned earlier that I did not interview any white workers during my time in the bay area. The other group conspicuous by their absence were African-americans. You can be sure that this was not for want of trying by HR. This is a problem that needs to be tackled way further back in the educational system. However, the key take away is that the whole goal of affirmative action has been completely usurped by corporate globalists and liberal zealots. Practically all the candidates I interviewed and all the ones that were hired were either Indians or Chinese who had arrived in the US anywhere from 3-5 years previously. There is no way in the wide earthly world that this policy can be seen to address historical discrimination in the US.
There are two main drivers here. Insane liberals who continue, with no end in sight, to insist that white kids pay for the sins of past generations. The other driving force is Zuckerberg et al who have sold you a pup. It used to be that companies would move abroad to take advantage of cheaper labour. Why bother when you can just import that labour under the guise of "diversity".
Veterans are an example of a group who were falling behind in society, similar to blacks, and the affirmative action policies on their behalf were brought in under US "support the military" fervour and a recognition that earlier generations of veterans were pretty much abandoned. The only difference between them and African Americans was the direct causes of their troubles and the popularity of their cause. The effects were the same. If foxcommander wants to say that one is an example of "prioritization" and the other is "discrimination", that's fine, but its dishonest. They're both the same, except one is more broadly socially acceptable. The supposed terrible effects of the policy on those who are passed over for someone perhaps slightly less qualified are the same.
And that was my point. Its unacceptable for one group, but fine for another, despite the policy being the same. I personally don't really have a problem with either.
And I of course recognize that this is a difficult issue with arguments for and against, especially after 50 years. Its not a black and white issue (no pun intended) as some would have it. As you say, more work is needed in other parts of the system, especially education (but then we get into funding and Head Start and all that stuff).
None of you boys have yet answered whether it was acceptable in the north when the PSNI set quotas for recruitment of catholics after the good Friday agreement. How about it?
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:33 AM
J70, your military comparison is ludicrous. The fact that you equate legitimate benefits accruing from national service to discrimination based on skin colour shows me how far people like you are prepared to go to defend a rotten system.
wrt to your mention of Al Sharpton,As I mentioned earlier that I did not interview any white workers during my time in the bay area. The other group conspicuous by their absence were African-americans. You can be sure that this was not for want of trying by HR. This is a problem that needs to be tackled way further back in the educational system. However, the key take away is that the whole goal of affirmative action has been completely usurped by corporate globalists and liberal zealots. Practically all the candidates I interviewed and all the ones that were hired were either Indians or Chinese who had arrived in the US anywhere from 3-5 years previously. There is no way in the wide earthly world that this policy can be seen to address historical discrimination in the US.
There are two main drivers here. Insane liberals who continue, with no end in sight, to insist that white kids pay for the sins of past generations. The other driving force is Zuckerberg et al who have sold you a pup. It used to be that companies would move abroad to take advantage of cheaper labour. Why bother when you can just import that labour under the guise of "diversity".
Veterans are an example of a group who were falling behind in society, similar to blacks, and the affirmative action policies on their behalf were brought in under US "support the military" fervour and a recognition that earlier generations of veterans were pretty much abandoned. The only difference between them and African Americans was the direct causes of their troubles and the popularity of their cause. The effects were the same. If foxcommander wants to say that one is an example of "prioritization" and the other is "discrimination", that's fine, but its dishonest. They're both the same, except one is more broadly socially acceptable. The supposed terrible effects of the policy on those who are passed over for someone perhaps slightly less qualified are the same.
And that was my point. Its unacceptable for one group, but fine for another, despite the policy being the same. I personally don't really have a problem with either.
And I of course recognize that this is a difficult issue with arguments for and against, especially after 50 years. Its not a black and white issue (no pun intended) as some would have it. As you say, more work is needed in other parts of the system, especially education (but then we get into funding and Head Start and all that stuff).
None of you boys have yet answered whether it was acceptable in the north when the PSNI set quotas for recruitment of catholics after the good Friday agreement. How about it?
Stop being obtuse and contorting yourself to excuse your obvious mistake. Benefits for veterans in no way shape or form can be equated to affirmative action based on skin color. If that were true then any "bonus" for "performance/good behaviour/national service" can be equated to affirmative action based on skin color. Complete bollocks and you know it. As long as the benefits accruing to veterans is skin blind then they are not the same thing. End of.
It is this sophistry that means liberals are not trusted by white america anymore. You are snake oil salesmen
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 25, 2016, 07:06:36 AM
Congratulations, Jimmy. You've found an incident in which the majority of the perps are Pakistani.
You remind me of people who complain about "black-on-black" crime in America. Sure, in cities where there's a large proportion of black people, a large proportion of the criminals are going to be black. I'd imagine that in a city that's mostly white, the majority of the people who commit crimes there are going to be white. The demographics of local crime figures are generally going to reflect the demographics of the local population. This is the way of things.
Meanwhile, people like you are so busy getting outraged by the actions of a few Pakistanis that you don't notice the far bigger numbers of them going about their law-abiding business peacefully. This is what racists do.
This attitude of tarring an entire ethnic group with the same brush as the criminals from said group is the same racist bullshit that led to the wrongful imprisonment of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four. For an Irishman to lower himself to the same nonsense is an embarrassing disgrace.
"Being Irish means they're guilty, so they're guilty one and all" as the song says. Have you ever sang that song yourself, Jimmy? Have you ever listened to it and had your blood boil by it? Because if so then you're a hypocrite of the highest order. If internment in the north was a recruiting drive for the Provos, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why radicalization is taking place in countries like the UK now. Anybody who tars all muslims with the same brush as muslim criminals and terrorists is no different from the "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" crowd in England, and I hold people like you personally responsible for said radicalization.
blah, blah, blah racist blah, blah blah, racist
That guff might pass muster with your fabulous friends out there in San Francisco but not here you hysterical queen.
It was 1400 kids over 16 years and my beef is not with the Pakistani community. I said no such thing anywhere in my posts. My problem is with liberal idiots like you that allowed it to happen. Kids getting raped and you sweeping it under the carpet muttering "its only a few...its only a few"
btw, you are involved in the NACB at the officer level right ? Can you elaborate on what steps you have taken to address a sporting organization that is so out of whack with the racial diversity of the country it operates in.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:33 AM
J70, your military comparison is ludicrous. The fact that you equate legitimate benefits accruing from national service to discrimination based on skin colour shows me how far people like you are prepared to go to defend a rotten system.
wrt to your mention of Al Sharpton,As I mentioned earlier that I did not interview any white workers during my time in the bay area. The other group conspicuous by their absence were African-americans. You can be sure that this was not for want of trying by HR. This is a problem that needs to be tackled way further back in the educational system. However, the key take away is that the whole goal of affirmative action has been completely usurped by corporate globalists and liberal zealots. Practically all the candidates I interviewed and all the ones that were hired were either Indians or Chinese who had arrived in the US anywhere from 3-5 years previously. There is no way in the wide earthly world that this policy can be seen to address historical discrimination in the US.
There are two main drivers here. Insane liberals who continue, with no end in sight, to insist that white kids pay for the sins of past generations. The other driving force is Zuckerberg et al who have sold you a pup. It used to be that companies would move abroad to take advantage of cheaper labour. Why bother when you can just import that labour under the guise of "diversity".
Veterans are an example of a group who were falling behind in society, similar to blacks, and the affirmative action policies on their behalf were brought in under US "support the military" fervour and a recognition that earlier generations of veterans were pretty much abandoned. The only difference between them and African Americans was the direct causes of their troubles and the popularity of their cause. The effects were the same. If foxcommander wants to say that one is an example of "prioritization" and the other is "discrimination", that's fine, but its dishonest. They're both the same, except one is more broadly socially acceptable. The supposed terrible effects of the policy on those who are passed over for someone perhaps slightly less qualified are the same.
And that was my point. Its unacceptable for one group, but fine for another, despite the policy being the same. I personally don't really have a problem with either.
And I of course recognize that this is a difficult issue with arguments for and against, especially after 50 years. Its not a black and white issue (no pun intended) as some would have it. As you say, more work is needed in other parts of the system, especially education (but then we get into funding and Head Start and all that stuff).
None of you boys have yet answered whether it was acceptable in the north when the PSNI set quotas for recruitment of catholics after the good Friday agreement. How about it?
Stop being obtuse and contorting yourself to excuse your obvious mistake. Benefits for veterans in no way shape or form can be equated to affirmative action based on skin color. If that were true then any "bonus" for "performance/good behaviour/national service" can be equated to affirmative action based on skin color. Complete bollocks and you know it. As long as the benefits accruing to veterans is skin blind then they are not the same thing. End of.
It is this sophistry that means liberals are not trusted by white america anymore. You are snake oil salesmen
Bollocks. The policy is the same, based on a perceived debt society owes to each group. Now you can disagree with the legitimacy of the debt or whether this is the correct remedy, but the end point is that membership of the group entitles one to an advantage over another person who may otherwise be more qualified. You just think positive discrimination is ok in one case and not in the other. The person who loses out gets the same deal.
Which was the whole reason I raised it: i.e. Is it the policy and its effects that is objectionable, or the choice of who gets to benefit, when it comes to my losing this proverbial job that will send my life and family into a tailspin.
And still no comment on the PSNI and Catholics. Is that one tricky?
Listen , stop making stupid comparisons. Affirmative action
Quote"is the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination within a culture.[1][2][3][4] Often, these people are disadvantaged for historical reasons, such as oppression or slavery.[5] Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances"
The US military are not a "disadvantaged" group except in the sense that they take prime years out of the lives , which could be used to educate themselves. This is not the same as favouring them based on skin colour.To say so is ludicrous. The benefits they accrue can be seen as nothing more than a reward for national service.
As for the PSNI hiring Catholics...clearly I have rattled your cage by exposing the racist attitudes of your countymen ;D. There is nothing wrong with the PSNI favouring Catholics. Now if those positions were being filled almost exclusively by recent emigrant "Catholics" then you can see how that might be perceived as a problem right ?
Also, there has to be a feedback mechanism. Affirmative action cannot go on forever. If the goals are not being reached then questions must be asked. People need to be fired. "Whitey" can't blamed everytime, everyplace when things are not progressing within certain communities. Such accountability will never happen though. Paternalistic white liberals like you will never allow that. You like to see yourself as Atticus Finch from "To Kill a Mockingbird" but you are closer to the Atticus Finch in "Go set a watchman"
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
Listen , stop making stupid comparisons. Affirmative action
Quote"is the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination within a culture.[1][2][3][4] Often, these people are disadvantaged for historical reasons, such as oppression or slavery.[5] Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances"
The US military are not a "disadvantaged" group. To say so is ludicrous. The benefits they accrue can be seen as nothing more than a reward for national service.
As for the PSNI hiring Catholics...clearly I have rattled your cage by exposing the racist attitudes of your countymen ;D. There is nothing wrong with the PSNI favouring Catholics. Now if those positions were being filled almost exclusively by recent emigrant "Catholics" then you can see how that might be perceived as a problem right ?
Veterans are not disadvantaged? Seriously? With the physical and mental disabilities, the suicide rate, the drug abuse, the domestic violence, the trouble readapting, etc.?
And how is the PSNI favouring Catholics different to the US trying to address underrepresentation of minorities, in particular blacks, in jobs and colleges? Both are trying to address legacies of bigotry and discrimination.
The abuse you highlight is a separate issue. Lots of laws and policies are subject to abuse and corruption. Doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Also, there has to be a feedback mechanism. Affirmative action cannot go on forever. If the goals are not being reached then questions must be asked. People need to be fired. "Whitey" can't blamed everytime, everyplace when things are not progressing within certain communities. Such accountability will never happen though. Paternalistic white liberals like you will never allow that. You like to see yourself as Atticus Finch from "To Kill a Mockingbird" but you are closer to the Atticus Finch in "Go set a watchman"
Obviously there should be review and evaluation. That goes for anything.
As for the last bit, preach to me again about arrogance and presumption and sneering like you were a few days back.
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
Listen , stop making stupid comparisons. Affirmative action
Quote"is the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination within a culture.[1][2][3][4] Often, these people are disadvantaged for historical reasons, such as oppression or slavery.[5] Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances"
The US military are not a "disadvantaged" group. To say so is ludicrous. The benefits they accrue can be seen as nothing more than a reward for national service.
As for the PSNI hiring Catholics...clearly I have rattled your cage by exposing the racist attitudes of your countymen ;D. There is nothing wrong with the PSNI favouring Catholics. Now if those positions were being filled almost exclusively by recent emigrant "Catholics" then you can see how that might be perceived as a problem right ?
Veterans are not disadvantaged? Seriously? With the physical and mental disabilities, the suicide rate, the drug abuse, the domestic violence, the trouble readapting, etc.?
And how is the PSNI favouring Catholics different to the US trying to address underrepresentation of minorities, in particular blacks, in jobs and colleges? Both are trying to address legacies of bigotry and discrimination.
The abuse you highlight is a separate issue. Lots of laws and policies are subject to abuse and corruption. Doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water.
They are disadvantaged in the sense that they have to take x number of years out of their lives to serve when they could be educating themselves so compensating them for this should be seen as exactly that, recompense.... and ffs OF COURSE if someone is injured in the line of duty they deserve treatment. Stop mixing up different things.
Lets step back and remember that you asked how I could be ok with favouring US military but not minorities when they receive favourable treatment. I have made it clear , it is because the SERVE the country so, yeah, I have no problem with them moving to the front of the line.
Affirmative action has been on the go now for over 50 years and has been abused in my working life and area (i.e 20 years, hi-tech) and probably for longer than that yet all you can talk about is not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. How about we throw out the bathwather and figure out why the baby is not progressing
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Also, there has to be a feedback mechanism. Affirmative action cannot go on forever. If the goals are not being reached then questions must be asked. People need to be fired. "Whitey" can't blamed everytime, everyplace when things are not progressing within certain communities. Such accountability will never happen though. Paternalistic white liberals like you will never allow that. You like to see yourself as Atticus Finch from "To Kill a Mockingbird" but you are closer to the Atticus Finch in "Go set a watchman"
Obviously there should be review and evaluation. That goes for anything.
As for the last bit, preach to me again about arrogance and presumption and sneering like you were a few days back.
No coincidence that you say there should be review and evaluation but no mention of action..typical liberal.
I make no apologies for being in your face. Liberals are insane, arrogant and relentless and cry racist at every turn to shut down debate. You deliberately ignore all evidence and continue to push your crazy agendas. You must be confronted head on and it is happening in the US and all across Europe. Get used to it.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Also, there has to be a feedback mechanism. Affirmative action cannot go on forever. If the goals are not being reached then questions must be asked. People need to be fired. "Whitey" can't blamed everytime, everyplace when things are not progressing within certain communities. Such accountability will never happen though. Paternalistic white liberals like you will never allow that. You like to see yourself as Atticus Finch from "To Kill a Mockingbird" but you are closer to the Atticus Finch in "Go set a watchman"
Obviously there should be review and evaluation. That goes for anything.
As for the last bit, preach to me again about arrogance and presumption and sneering like you were a few days back.
No coincidence that you say there should be review and evaluation but no mention of action..typical liberal.
I make no apologies for being in your face. Liberals are insane, arrogant and relentless and cry racist at every turn to shut down debate. You deliberately ignore all evidence and continue to push your crazy agendas. You must be confronted head on and it is happening in the US and all across Europe. Get used to it.
Yes it's the liberals who are insane. . . have you been watching the GOP Primaries unfold??!!!
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result so, no, its not insane.
it is brilliant entertainment though ;D. Watching the liberals squirm is great. Of course they'll say that trump wont win the general election but White americans don't care. Neither the GOP and, especially, democrats represent them anymore so they can't win either way.
I think Liberals are coming to the horrible realization though that its either trump v Sanders in which case trump wins or, more likely, trump v Clinton where Clinton wins a brusing contest. Then we settle in for 4 to 8 more years of a Clinton dynasty. The country will explode.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 25, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Also, there has to be a feedback mechanism. Affirmative action cannot go on forever. If the goals are not being reached then questions must be asked. People need to be fired. "Whitey" can't blamed everytime, everyplace when things are not progressing within certain communities. Such accountability will never happen though. Paternalistic white liberals like you will never allow that. You like to see yourself as Atticus Finch from "To Kill a Mockingbird" but you are closer to the Atticus Finch in "Go set a watchman"
Obviously there should be review and evaluation. That goes for anything.
As for the last bit, preach to me again about arrogance and presumption and sneering like you were a few days back.
No coincidence that you say there should be review and evaluation but no mention of action..typical liberal.
I make no apologies for being in your face. Liberals are insane, arrogant and relentless and cry racist at every turn to shut down debate. You deliberately ignore all evidence and continue to push your crazy agendas. You must be confronted head on and it is happening in the US and all across Europe. Get used to it.
Obviously whatever action is necessary should be taken. Is that not as bleeding obvious as review and evaluation?
I have no problem whatsoever with honest debate. Most people here do so and keep it, for the most part, civil. Conservatives like Whitey and Iceman bring a lot to the board. And I have NEVER claimed that liberals have all the answers. If you want to be an arsehole, go for it. Says more about you than anyone else when you show up brand new on a board and start labeling based on caricatures and stereotypes and throwing insults around based on your preconceptions.
Go back over the thread. You engaged with me first with some sarcastic remark about whites facing institutional racism. You have shown yourself to be a self-righteous, all knowing arsehole on this thread and on many others that I can see of (from looking at you previous posts)
I'm all for civil debate but you liberals simply cant help yourself. You just can't keep that supercilious attitude in check ::)
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 05:36:58 PM
Go back over the thread. You engaged with me first with some sarcastic remark about whites facing institutional racism. You have shown yourself to be a self-righteous, all knowing arsehole on this thread and on many others that I can see of (from looking at you previous posts)
I'm all for civil debate but you liberals simply cant help yourself. You just can't keep that supercilious attitude in check ::)
Fair enough, I was sarcastic, and I can be at times and I accept it back in turn. But I certainly don't start the personal shit or try to write someone off as a political cartoon.
And again, "you liberals simply can't help yourself"? Have you read stew or foxcommander or even whitey at times? Everyone speaks dismissively of the other sides ideas. Everyone ridicules ideas, especially when it comes to politics and religion. Even in some of the gaelic football threads. Its an internet discussion board. I'm pretty sure you didn't just pick it up yourself this morning.
I'll leave the last word to you. I'm moving on.
Fine, lets leave it at that.
go get 'em Donald ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg)
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:21:15 PM
blah, blah, blah racist blah, blah blah, racist
That guff might pass muster with your fabulous friends out there in San Francisco but not here you hysterical queen.
So you live among racists in a place where it's cool to be racist. Bully for you.
Quote
It was 1400 kids over 16 years and my beef is not with the Pakistani community. I said no such thing anywhere in my posts.
Okay...
QuoteMy problem is with liberal idiots like you that allowed it to happen. Kids getting raped and you sweeping it under the carpet muttering "its only a few...its only a few"
Hang on, a few words ago you denied saying that the majority of Muslims are a problem (implying that you disagree with the message in the thread's bigoted title), now you're saying that it's not "only a few."
Which is it?
Make up your mind. You clearly think that a large proportion of Muslims are a security risk. How big a proportion? 100%? 75%? 50%? 25%? What?
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
btw, you are involved in the NACB at the officer level right ? Can you elaborate on what steps you have taken to address a sporting organization that is so out of whack with the racial diversity of the country it operates in.
I'm not an officer on the NACB at this time, but to answer your question:
- Began community outreach efforts for San Francisco GAA while working as PRO for their board by setting up a stall at outdoor events around the Bay Area in an effort to raise the profile of the games beyond the traditional audience and bring them to a more diverse clientele. Such events included Celtic festivals, Highland Games, and farmer's markets.
- As a result of the outreach, established the hurling club at Stanford University where there was no tradition of hurling previously. The majority of players on that team have always been non-Irish.
- Helped to establish the hurling club at UC Berkeley and got them organized into competitive games against Stanford, a competition that is still running. The majority of players on that team have always been non-Irish.
- Helped to form the NCGAA and set up the national collegiate championships which draw players in from all manner of backgrounds, the majority non-Irish.
- Translated the San Francisco GAA website into Spanish in an effort to reach out to Latino audiences. Had to defend this decision when it was ridiculed at a meeting, and I convinced everyone that we should be welcoming people into the organization from all backgrounds.
- Architected the NACB's Games Development program and wrote the proposal that convinced Croke Park to fund it. The outcome of that has been Gaelic games reaching into local school systems and other external organizations such as the Boys and Girls Club, one of which is on Treasure Island right beside our fields, an organization that provides youth club services to low-income children from predominantly black neighbourhoods like Treasure Island. More here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLjPxBNNpk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLjPxBNNpk) (Not my video BTW)
- Delivered marketing workshops in which I advise clubs to broaden their recruitment reach and not just go after Irish Americans.
- Advised youth boards to try to get into all school systems and not just the catholic schools.
- Advised against the use of religious or political symbolism or anything that ties the games too closely to one ethnic group.
- Vocally advocated and voted for motions at the NACB convention that would support clubs in non-traditional cities where the intake is majority non-Irish, and encouraged more traditional clubs to reach out beyond their traditional base.
Throughout my GAA career in America I have been a consistent advocate of bringing our games to a broader audience and becoming a more diverse and less inward-looking organization. I feel so passionately about this topic that I have even written a book on it. http://www.waitingtolaunch.com (http://www.waitingtolaunch.com).
Are there statistics for hispanic, black and Asian participation in the NACB..I mean club membership, regular games. Not some once off outreach. I cant find them ?
A few interesting things stood out for me in your reply. While I applaud your efforts the only one that I feel might really make a difference to true diversity is no.6 I.e. going into the schools. The video you posted is 7 years old..are these efforts still ongoing ? My experience from observing such efforts in other states is that they fizzle out as they are driven individually by someone who happens to be Irish and happens to be a teacher.It is an ad hoc thing. I see from the NACB website that the seattle gaels are still doing something in this area so that's good. They were always a well organized club.
The other thing that puzzled me is the mention of celtic festival, highland games etc as ways to attract a more "diverse clientele". I've been to many of these events over the last 20 years and if you wanted to find the LEAST diverse population on a given day then these would be the places to go. While the clubs I have been involved with have recruited many players at these events they were almost exclusively Irish/Irish-American.
Lets be honest. The NACB is probably always going to be very Irish (and , as a result, very white) and will never even remotely reflect the diversity of the US. One reason is the NACB is a mainly amateur organization. It doesn't have the resources.
My point to you, however, is that the main reason is that this is what Irish people in America want. It may not even be a conscious thing but it is absolutely what they want. Over the years I have seen this in action and it is something I have no doubt about. To me it is a completely natural thing, of course, but to someone with your worldview it should be an uncomfortable truth that is worth reflecting on as you force your ideology on others.
Fair fucks to you Eamonn, that takes a lot of passion and dedication.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 26, 2016, 04:49:10 AM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:21:15 PM
blah, blah, blah racist blah, blah blah, racist
That guff might pass muster with your fabulous friends out there in San Francisco but not here you hysterical queen.
So you live among racists in a place where it's cool to be racist. Bully for you.
Quote
It was 1400 kids over 16 years and my beef is not with the Pakistani community. I said no such thing anywhere in my posts.
Okay...
QuoteMy problem is with liberal idiots like you that allowed it to happen. Kids getting raped and you sweeping it under the carpet muttering "its only a few...its only a few"
Hang on, a few words ago you denied saying that the majority of Muslims are a problem (implying that you disagree with the message in the thread's bigoted title), now you're saying that it's not "only a few."
Which is it?
Make up your mind. You clearly think that a large proportion of Muslims are a security risk. How big a proportion? 100%? 75%? 50%? 25%? What?
you are all over the place in this reply ::)
Quote"Hang on, a few words ago you denied saying that the majority of Muslims are a problem (implying that you disagree with the message in the thread's bigoted title), now you're saying that it's not "only a few.""
This makes no sense at all. There was nothing in my post about a minority or majority of Muslims ?? ...My post was about the Rotherham sex case and its coverup..why are you implying anything about it viz-a-vie the thread title ?
This is quite bizarre. It is as if you are imagining some conversation and attributing it to having gone on in my head and your asking me to make up my mind ;D
You liberals are literally insane, you are so convinced of your righteousness that you tell other people what they are thinking so that you can chastise them.
jesus Christ.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 26, 2016, 05:09:51 AM
I feel so passionately about this topic that I have even written a book on it. http://www.waitingtolaunch.com (http://www.waitingtolaunch.com).
Wasn't "Waiting to launch" a 2006 romantic comedy with Matthew McConnaghey and Sarah Jessica Parker. I bet Parker plays Eamonns character.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 26, 2016, 08:00:58 PM
Are there statistics for hispanic, black and Asian participation in the NACB..I mean club membership, regular games. Not some once off outreach. I cant find them ?
A few interesting things stood out for me in your reply. While I applaud your efforts the only one that I feel might really make a difference to true diversity is no.6 I.e. going into the schools. The video you posted is 7 years old..are these efforts still ongoing ? My experience from observing such efforts in other states is that they fizzle out as they are driven individually by someone who happens to be Irish and happens to be a teacher.It is an ad hoc thing. I see from the NACB website that the seattle gaels are still doing something in this area so that's good. They were always a well organized club.
The other thing that puzzled me is the mention of celtic festival, highland games etc as ways to attract a more "diverse clientele". I've been to many of these events over the last 20 years and if you wanted to find the LEAST diverse population on a given day then these would be the places to go. While the clubs I have been involved with have recruited many players at these events they were almost exclusively Irish/Irish-American.
Lets be honest. The NACB is probably always going to be very Irish (and , as a result, very white) and will never even remotely reflect the diversity of the US. One reason is the NACB is a mainly amateur organization. It doesn't have the resources.
My point to you, however, is that the main reason is that this is what Irish people in America want. It may not even be a conscious thing but it is absolutely what they want. Over the years I have seen this in action and it is something I have no doubt about. To me it is a completely natural thing, of course, but to someone with your worldview it should be an uncomfortable truth that is worth reflecting on as you force your ideology on others.
We're getting into a good discussion here which probably belongs on another thread, but while we're on the subject:
The NACB does not record statistics on race, religion etc. so it's a bit hard to come up with concrete metrics. They'd have to add some fields in the registration system to record that data. Anecdotally, I can say that the NACB playoffs are still predominantly white, with a splattering of Latinos, Asians, and very few blacks.
The efforts in the video are still ongoing since they are driven by the paid Games Development Administrators.
Celtic festivals and Highland games attract a fairly eclectic mix of people in California, but to be honest I only went to a few of them and got a limited response. I put more effort into farmers markets which attract no one demographic in particular, but again the response did not justify the effort. The best response I got was at the St Patrick's Day parade in San Francisco. That said, there are a few things I'd have done differently that I know how to do now that would have given a better response. These days I still help the Stanford students out with their recruiting at the activities fair (fresher's fair). I've figured out how to get a TV working at an outdoor event, and playing the Fastest Game on Grass video on a loop on a DVD greatly improves the number of conversions at those events. (That video was something I neglected to mention before, it targets the broadest audience possible and avoids using the usual deedly-dee Irish music. Last time I looked there was about 1.5 million views on it.)
I disagree with your contention that the NACB is and always will be predominantly Irish. I've been going to the convention for about ten years now and I've seen the evolution. Ten years ago, the Irish ex-pat clubs of Boston dominated the proceedings through their voting strength and were able to get their own way consistently. The US-born clubs were barely represented at all. Nowadays the convention is very different. Thanks to so many hurling clubs popping up in random cities, most started by Americans for Americans, the complexion of the convention has completely changed. Traditional clubs from cities like Boston now have to plead with the upstart US-born clubs like Milwaukee and Indy if they want to get a motion passed. This is reflected in player registration figures, where numbers have held steady or declined in Irish-American cities (Boston, Chicago, Philly, SF) but increased in other cities (Milwaukee, Indy, St Louis, Twin Cities, Portland, and many more.) I'd say in the next five years you'll start to see the American-born clubs calling the shots a lot more, and I don't see any sign of that trend going into reverse.
In short, ten years ago it was the Irish who dominated the few US-born clubs, now it's closer to 50/50, and ten years from now it'll be majority US-born.
The playoffs reflect this too. The NACB and the playoff hosts are having a hard time keeping up with demand for field space because there's been so much growth in the junior grades because of so many Americans taking up the game. Canton in Boston and Gaelic Park in Chicago are at capacity when they host the playoffs. In San Francisco we have to commandeer nearby rugby and soccer fields on Treasure Island and run shuttles between them, all because so many Americans are getting into the game.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 26, 2016, 05:09:51 AM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 25, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
btw, you are involved in the NACB at the officer level right ? Can you elaborate on what steps you have taken to address a sporting organization that is so out of whack with the racial diversity of the country it operates in.
I'm not an officer on the NACB at this time, but to answer your question:
- Began community outreach efforts for San Francisco GAA while working as PRO for their board by setting up a stall at outdoor events around the Bay Area in an effort to raise the profile of the games beyond the traditional audience and bring them to a more diverse clientele. Such events included Celtic festivals, Highland Games, and farmer's markets.
- As a result of the outreach, established the hurling club at Stanford University where there was no tradition of hurling previously. The majority of players on that team have always been non-Irish.
- Helped to establish the hurling club at UC Berkeley and got them organized into competitive games against Stanford, a competition that is still running. The majority of players on that team have always been non-Irish.
- Helped to form the NCGAA and set up the national collegiate championships which draw players in from all manner of backgrounds, the majority non-Irish.
- Translated the San Francisco GAA website into Spanish in an effort to reach out to Latino audiences. Had to defend this decision when it was ridiculed at a meeting, and I convinced everyone that we should be welcoming people into the organization from all backgrounds.
- Architected the NACB's Games Development program and wrote the proposal that convinced Croke Park to fund it. The outcome of that has been Gaelic games reaching into local school systems and other external organizations such as the Boys and Girls Club, one of which is on Treasure Island right beside our fields, an organization that provides youth club services to low-income children from predominantly black neighbourhoods like Treasure Island. More here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLjPxBNNpk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLjPxBNNpk) (Not my video BTW)
- Delivered marketing workshops in which I advise clubs to broaden their recruitment reach and not just go after Irish Americans.
- Advised youth boards to try to get into all school systems and not just the catholic schools.
- Advised against the use of religious or political symbolism or anything that ties the games too closely to one ethnic group.
- Vocally advocated and voted for motions at the NACB convention that would support clubs in non-traditional cities where the intake is majority non-Irish, and encouraged more traditional clubs to reach out beyond their traditional base.
Throughout my GAA career in America I have been a consistent advocate of bringing our games to a broader audience and becoming a more diverse and less inward-looking organization. I feel so passionately about this topic that I have even written a book on it. http://www.waitingtolaunch.com (http://www.waitingtolaunch.com).
Fair play to you fir your work there Eamonn but I find your fifth point interesting, surely the good people of sanctuary city San francisco, a liberal hotbed did not want to stand in the way of Hispanics playing our games, say it ain't so!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35687257 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35687257)
The summer invasion has begun early. The illegal migrants will not be denied. They want into Europe and into Europe they will get. It is a done deal.
They have sensed the weakness. The liberal treachery. They know that all they have to do is get one foot in the door, even momentarily, and that's it. They and their extended families are then here for ever with the full blessing and complicity of the liberals.
At least 3 million will force their way through this summer with a reservoir of 60-120million refugee/migrants looking on intently.
And don't forget the 400 million descendants of those Europeans who illegally invaded the Americas.
Trump will be sending them all back to Europe.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/diversity-can-work-well-for-many-different-companies-1.2229504 (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/diversity-can-work-well-for-many-different-companies-1.2229504)
Apparently Irish people are very racist toward black and non-white EU minorities. One cop out I've noticed about Irish people is that they conveniently lump anyone as "non-irish" into their diversity index. Its like the discussion above about the NACB where white , Irish-Americans can be included as "diverse"...really?....seriously ?
I think when Irish people are confronted with true diversity that the truth comes out as evidenced by the above article.
Do you think the "racist" Irish will take their fair share of the coming invasion of migrants ? I doubt it somehow.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 29, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
And don't forget the 400 million descendants of those Europeans who illegally invaded the Americas.
Trump will be sending them all back to Europe.
I hope they send them back to the counties they came from.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 29, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
And don't forget the 400 million descendants of those Europeans who illegally invaded the Americas.
Trump will be sending them all back to Europe.
whats that got to do with what is happening today ?
If everybody in the Balkans decided tomorrow that Turkey owed them a living due to the Ottoman empire would that work ? would it be fair ?
While we were undoubtedly victims of British imperialism it is also equally true that for long stretches of the empire many of us were willing and enthusiastic imperialists. Great riches flowed into the UK , particularly from the raj. Many benefited in Dublin and Cork with patronage extending out into the hinterland. Perhaps some chickens have yet to come home to roost.
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
The ultimate insult when you consider some of the drivel over the years ;D
Quote from: armaghniac on February 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe. Ireland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours. To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe.
Not true. It has a relatively high proportion of non nationals.
QuoteIreland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours.
Why? they have different histories than we do.
Quote
To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Horseshit. No country is obliged to take in a random set of foreigners so as it looks like another place. Have you been in Japan or India?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 01, 2016, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe.
Not true. It has a relatively high proportion of non nationals.
QuoteIreland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours.
Why? they have different histories than we do.
Quote
To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Horseshit. No country is obliged to take in a random set of foreigners so as it looks like another place. Have you been in Japan or India?
I hear you brother but you must adjust your position. It is not sustainable. It will not be tolerated.
We don't really have a different history to the UK in the grand scheme of things. Put it this way, do you think the average Indian or Pakistani make much distinction between us and the English. Remember it is their perception that will hold sway. These are the rules and, frankly, in this case, I have to agree with them. We cannot keep making this convenient distinction between white Irish and white british. We have mixed too long and too frequently for this to be the case. We are either equally innocent or equally guilty in this particular disagreement. At best we are moderately less guilty.
we ARE obligated to take in any random set of foreigners that liberal sentiment see's fit. You don't believe me ? Ask them a simple question.
How many ?
they will not give you an answer.
btw, yes, we do indeed have a large proportion of non nationals (around 12% I believe) however, crucially, it is NOT a very diverse population. White , catholic poles don't quite cut it on the diversity index imho. When Ireland accepts the diversity of the UK, Belgium, Germany, the USA then, and only then, will we be in a position to judge those societies. Just on the evidence so far wrt racism against blacks, non- white EU citizens and travellers leads me to believe everyone on this board should stfu about the US until they address these specific points.
I have an idea for a new app. Its called "My righteous white friend". Its an app where black people (or travellers in Ireland) can validate any contact their white "friends" have claimed to have had with them. Even if they text "you go New York girl" from 3000 miles away in CA this would count as "good whitey" points.
I think it would catch on like wildfire amongst liberals.
I am sure it is just coincidence that this Sock registered the day after his previous alter ego was called out.
Lads, did someone leave the crazy out again? You've been told about this before....
https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/704603025256660992 (https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/704603025256660992)
Catch 22
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe. Ireland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours. To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Please stop this nonsense, you're embarrassing yourself.
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 01, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe. Ireland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours. To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Please stop this nonsense, you're embarrassing yourself.
why should Ireland get to keep its homogenous nature while other countries are forced to diversify ? Especially given how the hugely hypocritical Irish smugly label Americans, British etc as racists.
Ireland will get what it deserves eventually and the squealing and wailing will be a sight to behold.
I'm a lurker here but had to post to say I strongly agree with you jimmyd41 and am so glad to see this perspective on a GAA board, given the parochial nature of the sport. It's a fact many Irish and Irish-Americans want to forget (especially with recent popularity of the "Irish Slave" myth) but we white Irish benefited and continue to benefit from imperialism. The onus is on us to de-centre our whiteness in order to begin to challenge the white colonial capitalist patriarchal structures and institutions that we have established in this world to the oppression and persecution of people of colour and minorities.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 01, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on February 29, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Ireland is like a racial vacuum and we all know how nature abhors a vacuum.
Racial vacuum? Complete nonsense even by GAABoard standards.
Ireland is the least diverse country in Europe. Ireland is not pulling its weight in this regard.
At a minimum our racial makeup should reflect our nearest neighbours. To say otherwise is obviously racist.
Please stop this nonsense, you're embarrassing yourself.
why should Ireland get to keep its homogenous nature while other countries are forced to diversify ? Especially given how the hugely hypocritical Irish smugly label Americans, British etc as racists.
Ireland will get what it deserves eventually and the squealing and wailing will be a sight to behold.
Aren't you talking about two different things?
On the one hand you have the current influx of refugees from the Arab world, an effort in which Ireland should of course be required to pitch in like the rest of Europe. On the other, you have countries which are already diverse (with many problems among the minority communities) due to their colonial and imperial past. It's hardly a strike against the Irish that we don't have a colonial past as an aggressor and the ethnic/racial diversity that arose directly out of that. Did we have policies prohibiting the immigration of Indians and Jamaicans and Pakistanis?
I don't get the "hypocritical" bit though. Being able to observe or point out racism is not contingent on having experienced diversity. Racist acts or institutions stand on their own merits. You may say "it's easy to point the finger when your own society hasn't had the same experiences", but that's not hypocrisy.
And besides, even if a hypocrite WAS making a comment, that wouldn't render the comment invalid.
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Aren't you talking about two different things?
On the one hand you have the current influx of refugees from the Arab world, an effort in which Ireland should of course be required to pitch in like the rest of Europe. On the other, you have countries which are already diverse (with many problems among the minority communities) due to their colonial and imperial past. It's hardly a strike against the Irish that we don't have a colonial past as an aggressor and the ethnic/racial diversity that arose directly out of that. Did we have policies prohibiting the immigration of Indians and Jamaicans and Pakistanis?
I don't get the "hypocritical" bit though. Being able to observe or point out racism is not contingent on having experienced diversity. Racist acts or institutions stand on their own merits. You may say "it's easy to point the finger when your own society hasn't had the same experiences", but that's not hypocrisy.
And besides, even if a hypocrite WAS making a comment, that wouldn't render the comment invalid.
The hypocrisy element is very important and hypocrisy DOES invalidate, to a certain degree, someones opinion. Liberals tell blatant lies about their own past to enable them to preach against others. They are always preaching from the (apparent) high moral ground down to people who are "racists" when , in fact, the people they are eviscerating are almost always just ordinary people faced which huge social changes forced upon them by uncaring liberal elites.
With respect to the bit I highlighted in bold above, OF COURSE we have a colonial past as an aggressor. It is staggering to me that you really think that we DON'T have a colonial past as an aggressor. Are you mad ? Ireland was a member of the british empire for centuries. Irish people were central to , and complicit, in every working of that empire from the high level administrators down to the foot soldiers that brutally murdered natives in Africa, Asia and beyond. Our economy benefitted greatly from Imperial trade.
The fact of the matter is that by gaining independence the Irish, very conveniently, never had to pay the price for its role in the empire. By rights , many of the people that moved from the Caribbean could very well have settled in the liberties rather than the moss side. The double irony is the obvious "pure Ireland" racism of the likes of Pearse and co that was central to the new republic. All that talk of "blood" and "race"....jesus, it is so obvious...yet Irish people love this myth that we are one of the "good guys"....that we are "the blacks of Europe" as the commitments tell it.
I think Irish people are very misguided as to how we are seen in the world. It is not just those who know us best that see the hypocrisy e.g English, Welsh, Scottish, Aussie etc but also blacks in the US certainly see through the fawning desire of a certain type of Irish person to always be "right on". It is embarrassing to watch sometimes.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Aren't you talking about two different things?
On the one hand you have the current influx of refugees from the Arab world, an effort in which Ireland should of course be required to pitch in like the rest of Europe. On the other, you have countries which are already diverse (with many problems among the minority communities) due to their colonial and imperial past. It's hardly a strike against the Irish that we don't have a colonial past as an aggressor and the ethnic/racial diversity that arose directly out of that. Did we have policies prohibiting the immigration of Indians and Jamaicans and Pakistanis?
I don't get the "hypocritical" bit though. Being able to observe or point out racism is not contingent on having experienced diversity. Racist acts or institutions stand on their own merits. You may say "it's easy to point the finger when your own society hasn't had the same experiences", but that's not hypocrisy.
And besides, even if a hypocrite WAS making a comment, that wouldn't render the comment invalid.
The hypocrisy element is very important and hypocrisy DOES invalidate, to a certain degree, someones opinion. Liberals tell blatant lies about their own past to enable them to preach against others. They are always preaching from the (apparent) high moral ground down to people who are "racists" when , in fact, the people they are eviscerating are almost always just ordinary people faced which huge social changes forced upon them by uncaring liberal elites.
With respect to the bit I highlighted in bold above, OF COURSE we have a colonial past as an aggressor. It is staggering to me that you really think that we DON'T have a colonial past as an aggressor. Are you mad ? Ireland was a member of the british empire for centuries. Irish people were central to , and complicit, in every working of that empire from the high level administrators down to the foot soldiers that brutally murdered natives in Africa, Asia and beyond. Our economy benefitted greatly from Imperial trade.
The fact of the matter is that by gaining independence the Irish, very conveniently, never had to pay the price for its role in the empire. By rights , many of the people that moved from the Caribbean could very well have settled in the liberties rather than the moss side. The double irony is the obvious "pure Ireland" racism of the likes of Pearse and co that was central to the new republic. All that talk of "blood" and "race"....jesus, it is so obvious...yet Irish people love this myth that we are one of the "good guys"....that we are "the blacks of Europe" as the commitments tell it.
I think Irish people are very misguided as to how we are seen in the world. It is not just those who know us best that see the hypocrisy e.g English, Welsh, Scottish, Aussie etc but also blacks in the US certainly see through the fawning desire of a certain type of Irish person to always be "right on". It is embarrassing to watch sometimes.
We will have to disagree on the hypocrisy thing. Someone can be a hypocrite AND be correct. People don't always live up to their ideals or, as the case may be, rhetoric. Doesn't make either necessarily wrong though.
As for "Liberals tell blatant lies about their own past to enable them to preach against others", spare us, please. That's about as supported a statement as my calling you an uncaring bigot due to your presumed conservatism. And there is plenty of criticism to be had for out-of-touch elites on all sides.
The rest, that is actually an interesting perspective, and one I hadn't thought about (not saying I agree, just something to think about. Is every conquered nation thus a collaborator in the wider imperialist project?). Although I've never believed for a second that we were less racist than anyone else (seen plenty of it growing up, sparse as minorities were in my years in Donegal and Dublin).
Jimmy, a mhac
Liberal in the Yank sense means social democrat in Ireland. There are very few liberals in Ireland. If you want to bollock a large grouping, aim for FF voters .
American "liberal" = Irish/European "champagne socialist" is probably the closest equivalence.
Their key characteristic is extreme self-righteousness, moral superiority and imposing insane policies that have minimal impact on their own socio-economic situation but that have huge repercussions on others.
All these mysterious "newbies" coming out of the woodwork to mouth off about "liberals." I think a sock puppet investigation is in order. Mods, can you take a look at some IP addresses?
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
American "liberal" = Irish/European "champagne socialist" is probably the closest equivalence.
Their key characteristic is extreme self-righteousness, moral superiority and imposing insane policies that have minimal impact on their own socio-economic situation but that have huge repercussions on others.
You can stick the exact same labels on conservatives.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 01, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
All these mysterious "newbies" coming out of the woodwork to mouth off about "liberals." I think a sock puppet investigation is in order. Mods, can you take a look at some IP addresses?
Your "FiFtH mAn TaCkLe" persona is fooling non-one.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 01, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
All these mysterious "newbies" coming out of the woodwork to mouth off about "liberals." I think a sock puppet investigation is in order. Mods, can you take a look at some IP addresses?
When you see someone talking truth and being misunderstood by virtually every other poster in a thread, it's important to say you support them. Especially when it's on a topic as important as Irish people recognising their white privilege and taking account for their complicity in colonialism. So check away at IP's, Tir Eoghain abu.
Essential reading on this topic is work done by Limerick historian Liam Hogan. He's currently compiling a database of Irish slave owners and slave merchants and has written extensively on the Irish slave myth and how imperialism and colonialism have benefited our diaspora and the island of Ireland as well.
This is an incisive piece about Conor McGregor's recent comments to Floyd Mayweather that Hogan uses as a micro example of the endemic global problem of racism, the notion that the Irish somehow have a 'get out of jail free' card and don't benefit from white supremacy. A nod to the GAA as well: https://medium.com/@Limerick1914/as-intentional-as-the-forgetting-that-follows-82a309014d45#.wt7kpsl68
QuoteRacial bias in Ireland is an issue which some are still unwilling to confront. The fact that some GAA supporters in Cork proudly fly the Confederate flag at matches is a pointed example. When they are asked why they fly this flag, a common response is that it's the "rebel flag" and since Cork is known as the "rebel county" it is fair game. In other words they identify with a seditious army that was raised to perpetually enslave millions of black people and founded on the ideology of white supremacy. That they don't identity with the actual rebels in this context, i.e. the enslaved, speaks to an unconscious and deep-rooted racial bias. This racial bias also has an ethnocentric aspect and it is projected onto Irishmen who supported or fought for the Confederacy. Take the "illustrious" Irish patriot John Mitchel. He was a zealous white supremacist who longed for his own slaves and plantations as well as slave plantations to accompany an "Irish Republic." He advocated for the re-opening of the Transatlantic slave trade and stated that it was a question of "expediency alone." He was such an irredeemable racist that for him it was impossible to enslave or free an African person because they were "born and bred slaves." Despite the hypocrisy of this man stinking up the place so much that it is almost a physical entity, and despite the fact that he was in favour of resuming the genocide of the Middle Passage, he was merely downgraded in a 2016 History Ireland article by one notch — from a "hero" to a "flawed hero." Streets, military forts and GAA clubs are named in his honour across Ireland.
the cork "confederate flag" is a good example.
There is this common thing amongst the irish all over the world which can be summed up as "ah cmon, we're the lads...we're having the craic...we can't be the bad guys.........ever"
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 08:04:23 PM
the cork "confederate flag" is a good example.
There is this common thing amongst the irish all over the world which can be summed up as "ah cmon, we're the lads...we're having the craic...we can't be the bad guys.........ever"
I remember there being some commentary on the matter in the aftermath of the Charleston church murders and the campaign to remove the flag from the South Carolina state Capitol.
Was the flag still used by Cork supporters last summer?
they also wave the rising sun flag which is very insensitive toward our southeast Asian citizens. A very racist bunch the cork lads.
Next u will be crying about the burning the Union Jack in hill16 Jimmy.
Apparently now there are claims that the number of EU migrants into Britain could be unreported by as much as a factor of 3. Freedom of information acts have had no success gaining the true information with the excuse being given that it would "not help Camerons campaign" to prevent Brexit. Then later they said it would be "too expensive" to get the information.
Astonishing things are happening in the supposedly transparent European "democracies".
As many migrants have shown up in Greece in the first two months this year as 6 months last year...and it is still relatively cold. That obsequious UN shill Peter Sutherland was interviewed (yet again) chastising European countries. This very well fed and coiffured mandarin lecturing us all for not doing enough. He is the poster boy for the self-righteous Irish people that seem to overpopulate the liberal elites. f**king insane p***k.
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
That obsequious UN shill Peter Sutherland was interviewed (yet again) chastising European countries. This very well fed and coiffured mandarin lecturing us all for not doing enough. He is the poster boy for the self-righteous Irish people that seem to overpopulate the liberal elites. f**king insane p***k.
Beware of anything he's in favour of. It won't be in the general publics best interest.
Something something something something something something something something something something something something something something liberals!
Jimmy joined us 14 days ago.
He has averaged nearly 4 posts per day, but has only posted on 4 threads.
A thread about transgender law in Washington, a thread about Muslims, the US policing thread and the US politics thread.
Why would anyone newly join a GAA website to discuss only the above?
He claims to be from St. Vincent's in Dublin but yet has had nothing to say about either Vincent's or Dublin. This would appear to set him apart from our other resident Vincent's poster.
Now Jimmy, why don't you tell us who you really are?
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Apparently now there are claims that the number of EU migrants into Britain could be unreported by as much as a factor of 3. Freedom of information acts have had no success gaining the true information with the excuse being given that it would "not help Camerons campaign" to prevent Brexit. Then later they said it would be "too expensive" to get the information.
Astonishing things are happening in the supposedly transparent European "democracies".
As many migrants have shown up in Greece in the first two months this year as 6 months last year...and it is still relatively cold. That obsequious UN shill Peter Sutherland was interviewed (yet again) chastising European countries. This very well fed and coiffured mandarin lecturing us all for not doing enough. He is the poster boy for the self-righteous Irish people that seem to overpopulate the liberal elites. f**king insane p***k.
Yes but let's post maky uppy fake stats to illustrate a point we can't make with facts. . . you're worse than Trump!!
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 02:09:27 PM
Jimmy joined us 14 days ago.
He has averaged nearly 4 posts per day, but has only posted on 4 threads.
A thread about transgender law in Washington, a thread about Muslims, the US policing thread and the US politics thread.
Why would anyone newly join a GAA website to discuss only the above?
He claims to be from St. Vincent's in Dublin but yet has had nothing to say about either Vincent's or Dublin. This would appear to set him apart from our other resident Vincent's poster.
Now Jimmy, why don't you tell us who you really are?
Why are you stalking him - it is a discussion board, if you don't like what he posts don't read it.
Quote from: No wides on March 02, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 02:09:27 PM
Jimmy joined us 14 days ago.
He has averaged nearly 4 posts per day, but has only posted on 4 threads.
A thread about transgender law in Washington, a thread about Muslims, the US policing thread and the US politics thread.
Why would anyone newly join a GAA website to discuss only the above?
He claims to be from St. Vincent's in Dublin but yet has had nothing to say about either Vincent's or Dublin. This would appear to set him apart from our other resident Vincent's poster.
Now Jimmy, why don't you tell us who you really are?
Why are you stalking him - it is a discussion board, if you don't like what he posts don't read it.
He is quite obviously a sock puppet.
I am not stalking him, I am merely asking what other poster he really is.
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Don't think it is a regular poster. The tone on the board is very civil.
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Don't think it is a regular poster. The tone on the board is very civil.
Is it fcuk
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Don't think it is a regular poster. The tone on the board is very civil.
As I pointed out earlier he registered and started posting the day his previous sock "Dalquen" was called out for being the name of a Nazi general.
Does it really matter? Everyone's 'anonymous' here so what's another name?
God love Cork supporters. It's not like they have much to wave flags about.
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 03:24:14 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 02, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 02:09:27 PM
Jimmy joined us 14 days ago.
He has averaged nearly 4 posts per day, but has only posted on 4 threads.
A thread about transgender law in Washington, a thread about Muslims, the US policing thread and the US politics thread.
Why would anyone newly join a GAA website to discuss only the above?
He claims to be from St. Vincent's in Dublin but yet has had nothing to say about either Vincent's or Dublin. This would appear to set him apart from our other resident Vincent's poster.
Now Jimmy, why don't you tell us who you really are?
Why are you stalking him - it is a discussion board, if you don't like what he posts don't read it.
He is quite obviously a sock puppet.
I am not stalking him, I am merely asking what other poster he really is.
It wouldn't be Indy, trying a new slant other than "I know everything there is to know about GF? " Is he not a vinny ?
Quote from: Franko on March 03, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Does it really matter? Everyone's 'anonymous' here so what's another name?
I think it does.
You and I have different opinions on a couple of issues but we discuss them under our single handle. We are consistent, as in I am sure there are posters here who know who you are and there are many here who know who I am. I would guess most of the posters here know other posters.
It his posts were humorous, like say some of the O'Neill creations of old, then that would be worthwhile. But he does it to hide behind political agendas.
Now that I think about it remember Kursk? He could have been, as Leo said, Dalquen and many more of these short lived ranters.
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Franko on March 03, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Does it really matter? Everyone's 'anonymous' here so what's another name?
I think it does.
You and I have different opinions on a couple of issues but we discuss them under our single handle. We are consistent, as in I am sure there are posters here who know who you are and there are many here who know who I am. I would guess most of the posters here know other posters.
It his posts were humorous, like say some of the O'Neill creations of old, then that would be worthwhile. But he does it to hide behind political agendas.
Now that I think about it remember Kursk? He could have been, as Leo said, Dalquen and many more of these short lived ranters.
What if the moderators act on personal political opinions ? Not much of a debate in that scenario is there.
btw..you forgot periere.
Quote from: wickla123 on March 03, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Franko on March 03, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Does it really matter? Everyone's 'anonymous' here so what's another name?
I think it does.
You and I have different opinions on a couple of issues but we discuss them under our single handle. We are consistent, as in I am sure there are posters here who know who you are and there are many here who know who I am. I would guess most of the posters here know other posters.
It his posts were humorous, like say some of the O'Neill creations of old, then that would be worthwhile. But he does it to hide behind political agendas.
Now that I think about it remember Kursk? He could have been, as Leo said, Dalquen and many more of these short lived ranters.
What if the moderators act on personal political opinions ? Not much of a debate in that scenario is there.
btw..you forgot periere.
Indeed, and yourself obviously.
As for your first point, they don't.
But of course if an individual posts something that risks prosecution, then the mods will correctly ban them. They might think that they are really clever coming back with new handles, but the mods will have all of their IP addresses.
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
Thou shalt not disagree with the Board's moral and intellectual Oracle. Thou shalt be smite down with great vengeance and furious anger.
Quote from: wickla123 on March 03, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Franko on March 03, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Does it really matter? Everyone's 'anonymous' here so what's another name?
I think it does.
You and I have different opinions on a couple of issues but we discuss them under our single handle. We are consistent, as in I am sure there are posters here who know who you are and there are many here who know who I am. I would guess most of the posters here know other posters.
It his posts were humorous, like say some of the O'Neill creations of old, then that would be worthwhile. But he does it to hide behind political agendas.
Now that I think about it remember Kursk? He could have been, as Leo said, Dalquen and many more of these short lived ranters.
What if the moderators act on personal political opinions ? Not much of a debate in that scenario is there.
btw..you forgot periere.
I've been a member here since the early 2000s.
Not once have I ever seen the moderators try to silence political opinion.
Stay reasonably civil, and there's never any issue.
So there's no excuse for using " sock puppet" personas, if that occurs. Besides, what's the point? If your argument needs false cheerleaders, it can't be that strong to begin with.
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 08:04:23 PM
the cork "confederate flag" is a good example.
There is this common thing amongst the irish all over the world which can be summed up as "ah cmon, we're the lads...we're having the craic...we can't be the bad guys.........ever"
this is a very narrow world view
the meaning of the confederate flag to a cork or irish flag is completely different to the meaning it has to a black american and to compare the too is as logical as calling some one an Irish African american when afraid to describe some one as black.
A symbol only has the power of the meaning bestowed on it . to an Irish man the union jack is the butchers apron a symbol of years of worldwide Oppression and mass murder where we suffered as much or more than any one,
im pretty sure this is not how it is Viewed by English people or our unionist brothers and sisters
Quote from: rosnarun on March 03, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: jimmyd41 on March 01, 2016, 08:04:23 PM
the cork "confederate flag" is a good example.
There is this common thing amongst the irish all over the world which can be summed up as "ah cmon, we're the lads...we're having the craic...we can't be the bad guys.........ever"
this is a very narrow world view
the meaning of the confederate flag to a cork or irish flag is completely different to the meaning it has to a black american and to compare the too is as logical as calling some one an Irish African american when afraid to describe some one as black.
A symbol only has the power of the meaning bestowed on it . to an Irish man the union jack is the butchers apron a symbol of years of worldwide Oppression and mass murder where we suffered as much or more than any one,
im pretty sure this is not how it is Viewed by English people or our unionist brothers and sisters
I think the best that can be said for a Cork person using a confederate battle flag is that they are ignorant. And in this day and age, there's really no excuse for THAT level of ignorance.
That flag means one thing. It's not like it existed independently and was coopted by the confederates, say like the Nazis forever poisoning the swastika.
Cork supporters should use a dedicated GAA flag or cheap two colour flag like every other county does.
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
I just had a look at your stats.
Now I see why you got so upset. ;D
The problem with sock puppets is that they post supporting themselves, and criticising anyone that disagrees with one of their selves. They think that giving the impression others (selves) agree with them, gives the impression that lots of people are of the same opinion. But of course it is merely one poster and his sock puppets attempting to deceive everyone.
They are usually incredibly obvious, as in this case.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gifsoup.com%2Fwebroot%2Fanimatedgifs%2F253776_o.gif&f=1)
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
So you are a closet racist, hate people on benefits and you are now a sexist, do you have a problem with any wife earning more that their husband, you sound like a disgusting individual. You also wouldn't have the balls to report any benefit cheat so stop yapping and go back to earning your millions.
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
So you are a closet racist, hate people on benefits and you are now a sexist, do you have a problem with any wife earning more that their husband, you sound like a disgusting individual. You also wouldn't have the balls to report any benefit cheat so stop yapping and go back to earning your millions.
Racist and sexist? You truly are one dumb fcuk..... ;D
Anyone can read your posts back - muppet will do a pie chart - you are racist, sexist and berate any individual who isn't as fortunate as yourself, oh but you are working class !! I will say again report those benefit cheats your know or shut the f**k up.
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
Anyone can read your posts back - muppet will do a pie chart - you are racist, sexist and berate any individual who isn't as fortunate as yourself, oh but you are working class !! I will say again report those benefit cheats your know or shut the f**k up.
What's your number?? I'll send them to yours? You read posts back? Are you a stalker?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
So you are a closet racist, hate people on benefits and you are now a sexist, do you have a problem with any wife earning more that their husband, you sound like a disgusting individual. You also wouldn't have the balls to report any benefit cheat so stop yapping and go back to earning your millions.
Racist and sexist? You truly are one dumb fcuk..... ;D
Why have you a problem with a woman earning more that a man in a partnership? You must have or you wouldn't try to degrade any man who earned less that their female partner - and answer that - dont just call name call - because we know you yapped about others name calling you, though you can see why others would take that stance. ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
Anyone can read your posts back - muppet will do a pie chart - you are racist, sexist and berate any individual who isn't as fortunate as yourself, oh but you are working class !! I will say again report those benefit cheats your know or shut the f**k up.
What's your number?? I'll send them to yours? You read posts back? Are you a stalker?
Yellow bastard - report them or f**k up. I have no problems with people on benefits, they are citizens who need help.
Dalquen was here for 4 days, Feb 14 - Feb 17, his club apparently St. Brigids, Roscommon, and started this thread. He hasn't been back. The most obvious sock puppet here in a long time.
No Wides was the first to agree with him. He joined on Jan 7 2016. He is the most prolific poster in this thread. Even more obvious.
Dalquen then was the first to agree with No Wides.
Dalquen and No Wides then both attacked MoChara, posting within 1 minute 23 seconds of each other. Both at around 08:57 the same morning.
The day before he quit, Dalquen said: "I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it...."
Then he came out with the gem: "No sock puppetry. I'm not hiding anything. I've said quite openly I believe in preserving white culture. If certain races/religions need to be eliminated to preserve that culture then so be it."
Dalquen 'left' after his name was shown to be that of a Nazi.
But No Wides and a few less smart lunatics kept up the ranting. I am not sure what the latter posted as I don't read their incoherent rants anymore.
Jimmyd41 then showed up the day after Dalquen disappeared. His club apparently is St. Vincent's Dublin.
No wides has since vilified most people that dare question the original premise, although he has ludicrously claimed "You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims". This on a thread, blatantly attacking Muslims, started by someone named after a Nazi, where he commenced by agreeing with the original poster (within 90 seconds at one stage) and has relentlessly attacked anyone who disagreed in any way.
Wickla123 then joined the same day as Jimmy and his first post was to report a photo of Trump 'supporters' dressed as the KKK. In his 4 posts 3 were on the above and the 4th was supporting the idea of sock puppets as a way of dealing with Mods who push their own political agenda. (Seriously ;D).
As wind ups go, I have to admit a grudging nod of respect.
But the question is, how many people have figured out who is behind all this?
A couple of the usual right-wing nutters lumped in, after others accused them of creating these sock puppets. It is quite obvious that all of them are a
Quote from: muppet on March 04, 2016, 12:23:13 AM
Dalquen was here for 4 days, Feb 14 - Feb 17, his club apparently St. Brigids, Roscommon, and started this thread. He hasn't been back. The most obvious sock puppet here in a long time.
No Wides was the first to agree with him. He joined on Jan 7 2016. He is the most prolific poster in this thread. Even more obvious.
Dalquen then was the first to agree with No Wides.
Dalquen and No Wides then both attacked MoChara, posting within 1 minute 23 seconds of each other. Both at around 08:57 the same morning.
The day before he quit, Dalquen said: "I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it...."
Then he came out with the gem: "No sock puppetry. I'm not hiding anything. I've said quite openly I believe in preserving white culture. If certain races/religions need to be eliminated to preserve that culture then so be it."
Dalquen 'left' after his name was shown to be that of a Nazi.
But No Wides and a few less smart lunatics kept up the ranting. I am not sure what the latter posted as I don't read their incoherent rants anymore.
Jimmyd41 then showed up the day after Dalquen disappeared. His club apparently is St. Vincent's Dublin.
No wides has since vilified most people that dare question the original premise, although he has ludicrously claimed "You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims". This on a thread, blatantly attacking Muslims, started by someone named after a Nazi, where he commenced by agreeing with the original poster (within 90 seconds at one stage) and has relentlessly attacked anyone who disagreed in any way.
Wickla123 then joined the same day as Jimmy and his first post was to report a photo of Trump 'supporters' dressed as the KKK. In his 4 posts 3 were on the above and the 4th was supporting the idea of sock puppets as a way of dealing with Mods who push their own political agenda. (Seriously ;D).
As wind ups go, I have to admit a grudging nod of respect.
But the question is, how many people have figured out who is behind all this?
A couple of the usual right-wing nutters lumped in, after others accused them of creating these sock puppets. It is quite obvious that all of them are a
Is that shit true?? :o
;D
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
Anyone can read your posts back - muppet will do a pie chart - you are racist, sexist and berate any individual who isn't as fortunate as yourself, oh but you are working class !! I will say again report those benefit cheats your know or shut the f**k up.
What's your number?? I'll send them to yours? You read posts back? Are you a stalker?
Yellow b**tard - report them or f**k up. I have no problems with people on benefits, they are citizens who need help.
I'm neither racist or sexist and you wont find it on any of my posts ya balloon.... You won't find anyone on here who'll support dole cheats either... Do you support dole cheats?? Nowhere on my posts have I said that genuine people who have found themselves unemployed and actively seeking employment while claiming dole should be shot ... Sorry reported ...
Now your anger issues are worrying, you need help
Oh Dear.
Sexist
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
Racist.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
This is my original post, I stand by it.... I don't think there is a poster on this board who'll not support not paying benefits out to to dole junkies....
Made redundant cause the place closed down and took redundancy as a package to move to another job!! (you really do have a hard on!!) what is your problem?? You've way too much anger..... Relax no one really gives a fcuk
You do or else you wouldn't be trolling me. As for anger you are the one calling names - and crying on another board because another poster is doing the same to you, you really couldn't make it up. Now you are into sexual tendencies, whatever turns you on - i said it before and I'll say it again if you have issues with people receiving benefits report them, otherwise go back to polishing your company car and drive round to mammys to make her proud.
You're replying to me FFS!! That's not me trolling you... I don't polish my car either I get the immigrants to do it as they work hard and don't claim benefits...
I don't cry either on discussion boards, this isn't real life nor does it change things that actually matter, you do understand that??
Tosser
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Yet you worry about people receiving benefit - have you not harder battles in life than worrying about John next door getting 40 quid a week on the dole?
No one in my street is getting £40 quid .... They work!! Its benefit cheats or work-shy people that grind my gears.... This is money lost, which could be used in better areas like, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, care for the elderly.....
I tired of hearing that immigrants are coming here and stealing our jobs, and taking benefits, and being criminals..... What are the figures for this for here?
No immigrants have taken my job, in my previous work I dealt with one company who's production rate dropped considerably when their Polish workers went home for the week.... As for benefit cheats, where do I start?? Like I said sort out our own wastefulness and this attitude that you're owed something and we'd have a better place to live in
Quote from: No wides on March 04, 2016, 07:49:59 AM
Oh Dear.
Sexist
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 03, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: No wides on March 03, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
For someone who claims not be be stalking you appear to be a bit obsessed.
As you appear to be with me.
You argument is only valid is you think Wickla and Jimmy (from Dublin) are the same person.
Do you think that?
I couldn't give a shinny shite, replying to someone isn't stalking, analyzing someones posts, how many posts they have made, in which topics they have posted and trying to marry them up in respect to other posters opinions most definitely is, get over it - talk to Miltown Row there are more important things than worrying about such things!
Id thought you'd stopped stalking.... I've just put my jacuzzi in with all those dole cheats I touted on
As long as you are taking action instead of yapping and complaining about them on an internet forum, if anything I am proud of you, educating you in the correct thing to do for yourself with a few helpful posts was worthwhile, good man.
My hero, I've never known a stay at home husband, who's wife earns more money than him but his DLA (for ADHD) allows him to feel as if he's contributing ...
Racist.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 16, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
We'd need to sort out our own scumbags first before 'fixing' immigration issues..
We've had murders rapists and perverts (including our own clergy) causing mayhem long before our first immigrants arrived here..maybe just maybe if got those dole junkies into jobs and stop wasting public money where it could be used to help the health care of real sick people and not the degenerates that abuse it....
Get our own house in order first before blaming refugees (of which you'll get scumbags too)
Quote from: No wides on February 21, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 20, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Only one person ranting and losing the run of himself... Please get help
I proved you to be a hypocrite - please move on.
Proved?? Oh dear...
Oh Dear that's the best you can do, you are making a total ass of yourself here and on the NI Job losses thread - no wonder you were made redundant twice, probably getting rid of all the dead wood, now run along and there son there's a good boy, go back to your working class roots, look down on everyone and feel like the man!
This is my original post, I stand by it.... I don't think there is a poster on this board who'll not support not paying benefits out to to dole junkies....
Made redundant cause the place closed down and took redundancy as a package to move to another job!! (you really do have a hard on!!) what is your problem?? You've way too much anger..... Relax no one really gives a fcuk
You do or else you wouldn't be trolling me. As for anger you are the one calling names - and crying on another board because another poster is doing the same to you, you really couldn't make it up. Now you are into sexual tendencies, whatever turns you on - i said it before and I'll say it again if you have issues with people receiving benefits report them, otherwise go back to polishing your company car and drive round to mammys to make her proud.
You're replying to me FFS!! That's not me trolling you... I don't polish my car either I get the immigrants to do it as they work hard and don't claim benefits...
I don't cry either on discussion boards, this isn't real life nor does it change things that actually matter, you do understand that??
t**ser
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
Quote from: No wides on February 18, 2016, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 17, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
My priorities are my 3 kids, I am sure most people's priorities are there families.
Well stop trying to save the world! Cause you'll have harder battles in your own life than worrying about the minimal amount of immigrants here...
Yet you worry about people receiving benefit - have you not harder battles in life than worrying about John next door getting 40 quid a week on the dole?
No one in my street is getting £40 quid .... They work!! Its benefit cheats or work-shy people that grind my gears.... This is money lost, which could be used in better areas like, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, care for the elderly.....
I tired of hearing that immigrants are coming here and stealing our jobs, and taking benefits, and being criminals..... What are the figures for this for here?
No immigrants have taken my job, in my previous work I dealt with one company who's production rate dropped considerably when their Polish workers went home for the week.... As for benefit cheats, where do I start?? Like I said sort out our own wastefulness and this attitude that you're owed something and we'd have a better place to live in
You don't have a clue
I know you a bigoted individual and full of shite. Keep posting though, you keep covering yourself in glory!!
Quote from: No wides on March 04, 2016, 08:51:07 AM
I know you a bigoted individual and full of shite. Keep posting though, you keep covering yourself in glory!!
Ok lets get this straight, I'm a now bigot, racist and sexist ? You make me laugh ...
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2016, 12:53:35 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 04, 2016, 12:23:13 AM
Dalquen was here for 4 days, Feb 14 - Feb 17, his club apparently St. Brigids, Roscommon, and started this thread. He hasn't been back. The most obvious sock puppet here in a long time.
No Wides was the first to agree with him. He joined on Jan 7 2016. He is the most prolific poster in this thread. Even more obvious.
Dalquen then was the first to agree with No Wides.
Dalquen and No Wides then both attacked MoChara, posting within 1 minute 23 seconds of each other. Both at around 08:57 the same morning.
The day before he quit, Dalquen said: "I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it...."
Then he came out with the gem: "No sock puppetry. I'm not hiding anything. I've said quite openly I believe in preserving white culture. If certain races/religions need to be eliminated to preserve that culture then so be it."
Dalquen 'left' after his name was shown to be that of a Nazi.
But No Wides and a few less smart lunatics kept up the ranting. I am not sure what the latter posted as I don't read their incoherent rants anymore.
Jimmyd41 then showed up the day after Dalquen disappeared. His club apparently is St. Vincent's Dublin.
No wides has since vilified most people that dare question the original premise, although he has ludicrously claimed "You are a martyr and a bullshitter, I never mentioned muslims". This on a thread, blatantly attacking Muslims, started by someone named after a Nazi, where he commenced by agreeing with the original poster (within 90 seconds at one stage) and has relentlessly attacked anyone who disagreed in any way.
Wickla123 then joined the same day as Jimmy and his first post was to report a photo of Trump 'supporters' dressed as the KKK. In his 4 posts 3 were on the above and the 4th was supporting the idea of sock puppets as a way of dealing with Mods who push their own political agenda. (Seriously ;D).
As wind ups go, I have to admit a grudging nod of respect.
But the question is, how many people have figured out who is behind all this?
A couple of the usual right-wing nutters lumped in, after others accused them of creating these sock puppets. It is quite obvious that all of them are a
Is that shit true?? :o
;D
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dalquen on February 16, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: MoChara on February 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I d say you were disappointed when this came out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-only-three-out-of-58-men-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-sex-attack-on-new-years-eve-are-a6874201.html
It doesn't matter whether they are refugees or migrants. the important thing is that they thought it was ok to do this. These are not isolated incidents. It is part of a wider cultural acceptance of rape called "Taharrush".
Unless we confront the realities of these cultural clashes then we are doomed. We all have a duty to avoid the extremism of the 30's but part of that acceptance is recognizing and listening to the concerns of all. This involves keeping an open mind and being educated on all issues such as Brexit, the EU, cultural Marxism, immigration, neo-liberalism etc and what it REALLY means to you.
Does it annoy you having to denounce Nazi's to try and get yourself heard lol just liek the I'm not a racist but...
You're not exactly approaching this with an open mind yourself, you're idea of an open mind seesm to be people that agree with you.
Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Far Rights imagination, a catch all term that means f**k all, it shows the total lack of depth to any argument , homosexualty = Cultural Marxism, Bi-racial Marriage = Cultural Marxism, Snow days but having to go to school = Cultural Marxism.
Its actually another recycling of your arguments in this thread or an outside terror we need to defend against whether its a brown skinned terror or the red terror.
I have no problem identifying as a "white supremacist" and make no apologies for it but with one clarification. My view on the "supemacism" part is that it is more of a defensive position in the sense that I think European culture, for all its faults, is ok and has done much good and needs to be preserved. That does not mean I support the extremities of the 30's.
The imagery of the 30's/40's is great for PR though. It gets both sides all riled up so we will continue to use it to serve our purpose. Cultural "hooks" are very important. Why do you think ISIS spread so quickly. Those lads understand fascism better than anyone.
It is. I thought it might be Cold Tea but I would have check back through my "dairy" to be sure.
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Yeah, as I said I thought it was important to support someone posting about how Ireland has benefited from and continues to benefit from colonialism and our whiteness. I have posted before on here. But this is an important discussion and it is necessary for us to confront out complicity in these structures of oppression. Because GAA makes up the backbone of our identity as Irish, it's really in these circles that questions about Ireland's lack of diversity must be asked. If all you're taking from these discussions is some kind of board-trolling then you really need to re-think your priorities.
Cork GAA fans using the Confederate flag is ignorance of the highest order at best, unabashed racism at worst. It's a good example of how many Irish feel that white supremacy 'doesn't apply to us'.
This is nonsense. The Cork flag FFS. Couldn't we get a higher class of sock puppet for the Board? Someone with a bit of style.
I suppose some Corky waving a Japanese flag at a match shows support for everything the Japs did in WW2.
Some prize tulips materialising on this thread ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on March 04, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
I suppose some Corky waving a Japanese flag at a match shows support for everything the Japs did in WW2.
Some prize tulips materialising on this thread ::)
not to mention flying a Cork.flag justifies atrocities during the war of independence. The only acceptable flag must be a picture of Noddy
Not a very sensitive person is the Cork Fan. Don't they also wave the Confederate Flag?
Sure maybe the Sligo supporters should bring a few ISIS flags along with them this summer.
They're the same colours after all.
Or do we need to wait a few decades before that becomes acceptable?
Quote from: Meadbh on March 04, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Yeah, as I said I thought it was important to support someone posting about how Ireland has benefited from and continues to benefit from colonialism and our whiteness. I have posted before on here. But this is an important discussion and it is necessary for us to confront out complicity in these structures of oppression. Because GAA makes up the backbone of our identity as Irish, it's really in these circles that questions about Ireland's lack of diversity must be asked. If all you're taking from these discussions is some kind of board-trolling then you really need to re-think your priorities.
Cork GAA fans using the Confederate flag is ignorance of the highest order at best, unabashed racism at worst. It's a good example of how many Irish feel that white supremacy 'doesn't apply to us'.
Highly doubtful if its racism or white supremacy. Ignorance and cultural insensitivity for sure.
I mean, if its the racist tendencies of the Irish people that are finding expression, then surely the other 31 counties would some means of doing likewise? How about Tyrone or Louth or Derry who also sport red and white colours? Unless you're proposing that the "many Irish" of whom you speak tend to be based in the far south?
More likely some idiot thought of bringing a confederate flag along due to the coinciding colours and the shared "rebel" label, and it caught on in the insular setting, without a thought given to its actual meaning.
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
This is nonsense. The Cork flag FFS. Couldn't we get a higher class of sock puppet for the Board? Someone with a bit of style.
So you think there is nothing wrong with a bunch of white Irish who often profited from colonialism and capitalism flying a flag that is symbolic of slavery and white supremacy? Our actions are political you know, and it says very little for the GAA that the outcry over this hasn't been more pronounced. With Irish culture becoming more diverse (albeit slowly) how do you think mixed race Irish would feel seeing this flag flown?
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 04, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Yeah, as I said I thought it was important to support someone posting about how Ireland has benefited from and continues to benefit from colonialism and our whiteness. I have posted before on here. But this is an important discussion and it is necessary for us to confront out complicity in these structures of oppression. Because GAA makes up the backbone of our identity as Irish, it's really in these circles that questions about Ireland's lack of diversity must be asked. If all you're taking from these discussions is some kind of board-trolling then you really need to re-think your priorities.
Cork GAA fans using the Confederate flag is ignorance of the highest order at best, unabashed racism at worst. It's a good example of how many Irish feel that white supremacy 'doesn't apply to us'.
Highly doubtful if its racism or white supremacy. Ignorance and cultural insensitivity for sure.
I mean, if its the racist tendencies of the Irish people that are finding expression, then surely the other 31 counties would some means of doing likewise? How about Tyrone or Louth or Derry who also sport red and white colours? Unless you're proposing that the "many Irish" of whom you speak tend to be based in the far south?
More likely some idiot thought of bringing a confederate flag along due to the coinciding colours and the shared "rebel" label, and it caught on in the insular setting, without a thought given to its actual meaning.
It is perpetuation of white supremacy though. The confederate flag is a symbol of slavery, has been used by the KKK and embodies white supremacy. Your point about county flags is silly tbh. Those flags are the indigenous flags of our counties - they have no perverse connotations like the Confederate flag.
I say 'many Irish' because 'many Irish' north and south participated in the slave trade, many Irish benefited from Empire through employment - and all white Irish benefited from and continue to benefit from being white.
Our actions don't exist in a vacuum. When you use a flag like the confederate flag that is loaded with race hate, regardless of ignorance, it is racism and it is white privilege that Cork fans can so nonchalantly take out that flag and use it with no through to the wider implications and the message it is sending out. This is just one point in a much much larger conversation about Irish complicity in oppressive structures that perpetuate racism. It's important we face up to this - especially because of our history - we owe it to our ancestors who suffered under persecution to recognize our privileges and also recognize how many black people and people of colour have been and still are oppressed daily because of the all pervading racism of our world. Of all white people it is perhaps the Irish who are best positioned to see that the police are not just, that state policies disenfranchise minorities etc - precisely because our people have suffered under similar yokes of oppression.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
This is nonsense. The Cork flag FFS. Couldn't we get a higher class of sock puppet for the Board? Someone with a bit of style.
So you think there is nothing wrong with a bunch of white Irish who often profited from colonialism and capitalism flying a flag that is symbolic of slavery and white supremacy? Our actions are political you know, and it says very little for the GAA that the outcry over this hasn't been more pronounced. With Irish culture becoming more diverse (albeit slowly) how do you think mixed race Irish would feel seeing this flag flown?
I think that post is misogynistic.
Some people have too much time on their hands.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2016, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
This is nonsense. The Cork flag FFS. Couldn't we get a higher class of sock puppet for the Board? Someone with a bit of style.
So you think there is nothing wrong with a bunch of white Irish who often profited from colonialism and capitalism flying a flag that is symbolic of slavery and white supremacy? Our actions are political you know, and it says very little for the GAA that the outcry over this hasn't been more pronounced. With Irish culture becoming more diverse (albeit slowly) how do you think mixed race Irish would feel seeing this flag flown?
I think that post is misogynistic.
You clearly have no idea what misogyny is.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 04, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Yeah, as I said I thought it was important to support someone posting about how Ireland has benefited from and continues to benefit from colonialism and our whiteness. I have posted before on here. But this is an important discussion and it is necessary for us to confront out complicity in these structures of oppression. Because GAA makes up the backbone of our identity as Irish, it's really in these circles that questions about Ireland's lack of diversity must be asked. If all you're taking from these discussions is some kind of board-trolling then you really need to re-think your priorities.
Cork GAA fans using the Confederate flag is ignorance of the highest order at best, unabashed racism at worst. It's a good example of how many Irish feel that white supremacy 'doesn't apply to us'.
Highly doubtful if its racism or white supremacy. Ignorance and cultural insensitivity for sure.
I mean, if its the racist tendencies of the Irish people that are finding expression, then surely the other 31 counties would some means of doing likewise? How about Tyrone or Louth or Derry who also sport red and white colours? Unless you're proposing that the "many Irish" of whom you speak tend to be based in the far south?
More likely some idiot thought of bringing a confederate flag along due to the coinciding colours and the shared "rebel" label, and it caught on in the insular setting, without a thought given to its actual meaning.
It is perpetuation of white supremacy though. The confederate flag is a symbol of slavery, has been used by the KKK and embodies white supremacy. Your point about county flags is silly tbh. Those flags are the indigenous flags of our counties - they have no perverse connotations like the Confederate flag.
I'm sorry, but you've lost me. How can the county flag point be "silly" when the only reason they're being used in a GAA context is to support Cork county teams?
Unless there are other instances you know of when Cork or other Irish people are sporting confederate flags.
And its not being used to embody white supremacy or anything like it. Its pure ignorance and insensitivity.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
I say 'many Irish' because 'many Irish' north and south participated in the slave trade, many Irish benefited from Empire through employment - and all white Irish benefited from and continue to benefit from being white.
Even if, for the sake of argument, what you say is true, what does that have to do with modern day Cork people sporting a confederate flag at a match? There is no connection whatsoever.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
Our actions don't exist in a vacuum. When you use a flag like the confederate flag that is loaded with race hate, regardless of ignorance, it is racism and it is white privilege that Cork fans can so nonchalantly take out that flag and use it with no through to the wider implications and the message it is sending out. This is just one point in a much much larger conversation about Irish complicity in oppressive structures that perpetuate racism. It's important we face up to this - especially because of our history - we owe it to our ancestors who suffered under persecution to recognize our privileges and also recognize how many black people and people of colour have been and still are oppressed daily because of the all pervading racism of our world. Of all white people it is perhaps the Irish who are best positioned to see that the police are not just, that state policies disenfranchise minorities etc - precisely because our people have suffered under similar yokes of oppression.
Look, go ahead and make the argument that Irish people were complicit in facilitating slavery and racism.
That doesn't make some ignoramus waving a confederate flag racist.
Which is not to say that the use of that flag should be absolutely discouraged.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2016, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
This is nonsense. The Cork flag FFS. Couldn't we get a higher class of sock puppet for the Board? Someone with a bit of style.
So you think there is nothing wrong with a bunch of white Irish who often profited from colonialism and capitalism flying a flag that is symbolic of slavery and white supremacy? Our actions are political you know, and it says very little for the GAA that the outcry over this hasn't been more pronounced. With Irish culture becoming more diverse (albeit slowly) how do you think mixed race Irish would feel seeing this flag flown?
I think that post is misogynistic.
You clearly have no idea what misogyny is.
That is patronising on top. Playing the woman, not the ball.
Just so we are all on the same page.
A misogynist is a person who hates or doesn't trust women. Misogynist is from Greek misogynḗs, from the prefix miso- "hatred" plus gynḗ "a woman." The English suffix -ist means "person who does something."
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 04, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2016, 05:01:50 PM
Could be foxcommander, but his posting rate seems a bit higher. Then there was the other mysterious "newbie" whose first post was to agree with everything Jimmy said and tell him what a great job he was doing.
Definitely not Foxcommander. :D
Read some historical posts.
Yeah, as I said I thought it was important to support someone posting about how Ireland has benefited from and continues to benefit from colonialism and our whiteness. I have posted before on here. But this is an important discussion and it is necessary for us to confront out complicity in these structures of oppression. Because GAA makes up the backbone of our identity as Irish, it's really in these circles that questions about Ireland's lack of diversity must be asked. If all you're taking from these discussions is some kind of board-trolling then you really need to re-think your priorities.
Cork GAA fans using the Confederate flag is ignorance of the highest order at best, unabashed racism at worst. It's a good example of how many Irish feel that white supremacy 'doesn't apply to us'.
Highly doubtful if its racism or white supremacy. Ignorance and cultural insensitivity for sure.
I mean, if its the racist tendencies of the Irish people that are finding expression, then surely the other 31 counties would some means of doing likewise? How about Tyrone or Louth or Derry who also sport red and white colours? Unless you're proposing that the "many Irish" of whom you speak tend to be based in the far south?
More likely some idiot thought of bringing a confederate flag along due to the coinciding colours and the shared "rebel" label, and it caught on in the insular setting, without a thought given to its actual meaning.
It is perpetuation of white supremacy though. The confederate flag is a symbol of slavery, has been used by the KKK and embodies white supremacy. Your point about county flags is silly tbh. Those flags are the indigenous flags of our counties - they have no perverse connotations like the Confederate flag.
I'm sorry, but you've lost me. How can the county flag point be "silly" when the only reason they're being used in a GAA context is to support Cork county teams?
Unless there are other instances you know of when Cork or other Irish people are sporting confederate flags.
And its not being used to embody white supremacy or anything like it. Its pure ignorance and insensitivity.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
I say 'many Irish' because 'many Irish' north and south participated in the slave trade, many Irish benefited from Empire through employment - and all white Irish benefited from and continue to benefit from being white.
Even if, for the sake of argument, what you say is true, what does that have to do with modern day Cork people sporting a confederate flag at a match? There is no connection whatsoever.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
Our actions don't exist in a vacuum. When you use a flag like the confederate flag that is loaded with race hate, regardless of ignorance, it is racism and it is white privilege that Cork fans can so nonchalantly take out that flag and use it with no through to the wider implications and the message it is sending out. This is just one point in a much much larger conversation about Irish complicity in oppressive structures that perpetuate racism. It's important we face up to this - especially because of our history - we owe it to our ancestors who suffered under persecution to recognize our privileges and also recognize how many black people and people of colour have been and still are oppressed daily because of the all pervading racism of our world. Of all white people it is perhaps the Irish who are best positioned to see that the police are not just, that state policies disenfranchise minorities etc - precisely because our people have suffered under similar yokes of oppression.
Look, go ahead and make the argument that Irish people were complicit in facilitating slavery and racism.
That doesn't make some ignoramus waving a confederate flag racist.
Which is not to say that the use of that flag should be absolutely discouraged.
Again. Our actions don't exist in a vacuum. Flying the confederate flag is racist. No matter if its done in ignorance, it's racist. This is a pretty basic point. And it's white privilege that allows people to just nonchalantly wave this flag with absolutely no thought as to what it means. Again - I wonder how mixed race Irish people would feel seeing that flag waved at a GAA match.
County flags of all 32 counties do not come with racist connotations. As I said, they're part of our indigenous culture which is why comparisons of Sligo colours with ISIS etc are plainly stupid. A Sligo flag is not an ISIS flag ffs. It's when you take a flag that is emblematic of racism that problems start. This really isn't difficult to understand and I'm disappointed in the outcry coming from some posters who are adamant of the right for ignoramuses to wave the Confederate flag without being called out for their racism.
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 05, 2016, 01:44:46 PM
Just so we are all on the same page.
A misogynist is a person who hates or doesn't trust women. Misogynist is from Greek misogynḗs, from the prefix miso- "hatred" plus gynḗ "a woman." The English suffix -ist means "person who does something."
Thanks for this. Was going to link to this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=misogyny but you know... wouldn't want to further patronize people :-\
I thought this thread was about Muslims.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
I thought this thread was about Muslims.
Only a minority though... The rest are racist, sexist, and bigots i.e the Irish
It's a pity we can't afford amusing sockpuppets.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
I thought this thread was about Muslims.
Only a minority though... The rest are racist, sexist, and bigots i.e the Irish
And in your case if the shoe fits. ;)
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
Again. Our actions don't exist in a vacuum. Flying the confederate flag is racist. No matter if its done in ignorance, it's racist. This is a pretty basic point. And it's white privilege that allows people to just nonchalantly wave this flag with absolutely no thought as to what it means. Again - I wonder how mixed race Irish people would feel seeing that flag waved at a GAA match.
So if it was a bunch of ignorant Chinese people waving the confederate flag, would that be "white privilege"?
The use of the flag in the context the Cork supporters use it does not prove racism or racist intent.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
County flags of all 32 counties do not come with racist connotations. As I said, they're part of our indigenous culture which is why comparisons of Sligo colours with ISIS etc are plainly stupid. A Sligo flag is not an ISIS flag ffs.
Who said the Sligo flag is an ISIS flag?? ::)
What I said was that if you excuse, on account of similar colours, the use of confederate flags by Cork supporters, then you would, at some point, probably have to excuse the use of ISIS flags by Sligo supporters.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
It's when you take a flag that is emblematic of racism that problems start.
Hence my point about hypothetical Sligo supporters using ISIS flags.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
This really isn't difficult to understand and I'm disappointed in the outcry coming from some posters who are adamant of the right for ignoramuses to wave the Confederate flag without being called out for their racism.
Ignorance, insensitivity, idiocy... not necessarily racism.
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
As stated by J70, if it was flown in the context that Cork fans have used it for years, these "mixed-race" fans would fall firmly into the bracket of going out of their way to be offended. Just because someone takes offence at something doesn't make it offensive in the eyes of the general public. In general, large swathes of the white middle-class need to get over themselves, find themselves a hobby other than spouting shite on Twitter and let "mixed-race" and all other colours and creeds feel offended by themselves.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 05, 2016, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
As stated by J70, if it was flown in the context that Cork fans have used it for years, these "mixed-race" fans would fall firmly into the bracket of going out of their way to be offended. Just because someone takes offence at something doesn't make it offensive in the eyes of the general public. In general, large swathes of the white middle-class need to get over themselves, find themselves a hobby other than spouting shite on Twitter and let "mixed-race" and all other colours and creeds feel offended by themselves.
Agreed...
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
I think a mixed race person would be offended, and rightly so. Hence the insensitivity and ignorance of those supporters using it. But the supporters intent is NOT racist. They're not bigots in the US Deep South trying to make a statement about the righteousness of slavery and segregation society and the lost cause. They're just idiots who seized upon the coinciding "rebel" label, colours and cool design and decided, without a thought to the real meaning of the flag, to coopt it.
And they should not be using it any more. There's no excuse for such ignorance. I would go as far to say that the Cork County Board /GAA should actively discourage it.
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
I think a mixed race person would be offended, and rightly so. Hence the insensitivity and ignorance of those supporters using it. But the supporters intent is NOT racist. They're not bigots in the US Deep South trying to make a statement about the righteousness of slavery and segregation society and the lost cause. They're just idiots who seized upon the coinciding "rebel" label, colours and cool design and decided, without a thought to the real meaning of the flag, to coopt it.
And they should not be using it any more. There's no excuse for such ignorance. I would go as far to say that the Cork County Board should actively discourage it.
And get all the nation's of the world to change their flag for atrocities committed over the past few hundred years. You see the odd Japanese flag at matches. It to?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 05, 2016, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on March 05, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. The flying of the Confederate flag is racist, in any context. Ignorance does not cancel out racism ffs. I notice no-one has replied to my repeated question of how mixed-race Irish GAA attendees might feel upon seeing a confederate flag flown at a game. But sure, it's just people being insensitive, right? Grand so.
I think a mixed race person would be offended, and rightly so. Hence the insensitivity and ignorance of those supporters using it. But the supporters intent is NOT racist. They're not bigots in the US Deep South trying to make a statement about the righteousness of slavery and segregation society and the lost cause. They're just idiots who seized upon the coinciding "rebel" label, colours and cool design and decided, without a thought to the real meaning of the flag, to coopt it.
And they should not be using it any more. There's no excuse for such ignorance. I would go as far to say that the Cork County Board should actively discourage it.
And get all the nation's of the world to change their flag for atrocities committed over the past few hundred years. You see the odd Japanese flag at matches. It to?
Changing flags for historical reasons has happened quite often in various countries. Why is that relevant to this topic about the confederate flag?
As for rising sun flag, at least that is still used by Japan, but it has obvious controversial implications due to Imperial Japan's conduct in the Far East and WW2. Nowhere near as clear cut as confederate flag.
Shows how the media can influence our thinking
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzmXzIAXUAADTXS.jpg:large)
Lies, damn lies and statistics. :)
I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'd like to know the context. How many people were asked, and where were they asked. If you wanted to make a point like that, it would be perfect to ask someone in Marseille, say, or maybe New York, or Bradford that question. They'll obviously answer based on what they know and experience. If you were to ask someone in St. Jean de Mont, Scottsdale or Exeter, they might answer a lot lower.
Pew is a top notch survey/research outfit.
I'm sure they took pains to sample representatively in the US.
Can't speak to the other companies.
Quote from: Declan on December 14, 2016, 02:47:25 PM
Shows how the media can influence our thinking
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzmXzIAXUAADTXS.jpg:large)
"But, but, but, but...we're being swamped! We're being outnumbered in our own country!"
Quote from: J70 on December 14, 2016, 03:26:21 PM
Pew is a top notch survey/research outfit.
I'm sure they took pains to sample representatively in the US.
Can't speak to the other companies.
I don't believe any polling companies anymore about anything. Charlatans the lot of them :)
Can probably be explained by "availability bias" - for example if there's a story in the news about a shark attack, people are likely to overestimate the probability of being attacked by a shark.
The gap in perception in the USA is uncanny, almost Dougal like.
France has the widest gap but they didn't poll Irish people did they?
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 14, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Can probably be explained by "availability bias" - for example if there's a story in the news about a shark attack, people are likely to overestimate the probability of being attacked by a shark.
That Westmeath hoor.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2016, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 14, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Can probably be explained by "availability bias" - for example if there's a story in the news about a shark attack, people are likely to overestimate the probability of being attacked by a shark.
That Westmeath hoor.
Tight c*nts as well, donating GAA money instead of their own