Pairc ui chaoimh going to be called SuperValu park.
Anyone else hate this shite, a century of history distinguished for a few euro.
Not a fan of the Kingspan Breffni shite either. It's Breffni Park and I refuse to call it anything other than that.
Seems everything is for sale these days.
Considering the state of Corks finances due to building PUC, it's hardly a surprise.
We're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 15, 2024, 09:28:46 PMConsidering the state of Corks finances due to building PUC, it's hardly a surprise.
It's not a surprise but I don't like it.
I never call stadiums by their brand name nor do I rarely type it up here when posting fixtures.
Don't think I'll stop calling it Pairc ui chaoimh either.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
Then feckers in Soccerball, ruining it for everybody. Next football players will be kicking the ball. Time to bring the Foreign Code Ban back in.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
In the old days they changed the spelling and the pronunciation eg Landsdowne Road.
I don't like calling it the Aviva. Sponsors come and go. The League Cup in England has had so many names.
Quote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
It is easy money but is nothing sacred anymore.
Imagine if HQ was called Coke Park, with a giant Coca Cola sign to greet you as you arrive. Would people stand for that, I doubt it. I think there are somethings you just leave alone.
Quote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
I still call it the MAGA after Hughie.
The Sponsor's name will be used by media and on official announcements, programmes etc.
To everyone else it will be Breffni, De Páirc or whatever.
As for the principle...how many years have we had the Allianz League, Jersey sponsorship, "partners" etc.
If some Company had their name on the Hyde I'd live with it if it stopped it becoming as run down as it became a few years ago.
Paint, replacing seats, well maintained toilets, decent dressing rooms, showers, tarmac walk ways...
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2024, 09:57:51 AMThe Sponsor's name will be used by media and on official announcements, programmes etc.
To everyone else it will be Breffni, De Páirc or whatever.
As for the principle...how many years have we had the Allianz League, Jersey sponsorship, "partners" etc.
If some Company had their name on the Hyde I'd live with it if it stopped it becoming as run down as it became a few years ago.
Paint, replacing seats, well maintained toilets, decent dressing rooms, showers, tarmac walk ways...
I would say it is more likely the extra money will instead go into the black hole for preparing your senior team - yoga, mindfulness and a plethora of extra Gurus. Some volunteer will be asked to paint the walls for free.
Longford are hoping to change the naming rights of the County Grounds to Elon Musk Pearse Park in 2025.
We need 5 million for the Cinntir of Excellence that is planned for next door.
If Casement ever gets built the same will eventually happen to it.
Quote from: Itchy on January 16, 2024, 10:35:35 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2024, 09:57:51 AMThe Sponsor's name will be used by media and on official announcements, programmes etc.
To everyone else it will be Breffni, De Páirc or whatever.
As for the principle...how many years have we had the Allianz League, Jersey sponsorship, "partners" etc.
If some Company had their name on the Hyde I'd live with it if it stopped it becoming as run down as it became a few years ago.
Paint, replacing seats, well maintained toilets, decent dressing rooms, showers, tarmac walk ways...
I would say it is more likely the extra money will instead go into the black hole for preparing your senior team - yoga, mindfulness and a plethora of extra Gurus. Some volunteer will be asked to paint the walls for free.
In your opinion of course ;) as you're not a prophet
PUC should be renamed Pairc na bhFiacha. Debt Park
Pearse Stadium in Galway is Pairc na Gaoithe
The Tanaiste is chipping in too...pointing out that the government handed over €30m...
In fairness he is playing up to his Cork base there a bit, but he does have a point. Are they dropping PUC fully or is SuperValu PUC. I see different reports on it.
Have never been to Cork but it is an important place in Ulster's history after events at Kinsale.
Does anyone know why PUC's financial projections didn't work out ?
There is a bit of trickery here. Announce that the place will be called Supervalu park then when the row starts compromise on called it Supervalu Páirc Uí Chaoimh. When Micheál Martin complains about this, then retort that he should find some other source of funds then.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 16, 2024, 10:42:38 AMLongford are hoping to change the naming rights of the County Grounds to Elon Musk Pearse Park in 2025.
We need 5 million for the Cinntir of Excellence that is planned for next door.
Anything other than Center Parc and they're missing a trick there.
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 11:43:17 AMPUC should be renamed Pairc na bhFiacha. Debt Park
Pearse Stadium in Galway is Pairc na Gaoithe
Galway were supposed to announce a Salthill name sponsor shortly or did it happen? A number of big grounds like Elverys MacHale Park, FBD Semple, Kingspan Breffni have already gone down that road. Bit late to kick up a fuss over POC. In rugby, Lansdowne Road is long the Aviva. They got plenty of money from the gov too. Didn't see the FF gov kick up a fuss.
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 04:58:57 PMDoes anyone know why PUC's financial projections didn't work out ?
The basic thing is that they adopted a yerra build it, everything will be grand attitude.
They decided we're building a new stadium and they worked backwards to try and fit the economic facts to make it make sense.They had to submit their business plan to the Dept of Finance three times after the first two efforts were rejected as inadequate and the version I heard that there was political involvement so that the third version wasn't rejected. Basically the department said their forecasts on everything positive were wildly over-optimistic in terms of corporate tickets/number of matches/crowds at matches/profits from concerts and that costs were under-estimated. There was talk at one point that the direct government chunk of €30m was not going to be handed over. All this talk obviously reached the ears of someone in the EU as they did a review of this but the EU weren't able to prove anything.
Ironically in one version of their business plan they had budgeted for receiving €150k for naming rights to the stadium in 2017 as part of their projected budget.The fact that it has taken them until now to get this deal done should provide an insight in the competence levels.
So the original forecasts over-estimated revenue and underestimated costs.
Things were made worse by the fact that the construction budget went wildly over budget.
This is based on stuff I've read over the years in the papers and Phoenix as well as stuff I've heard.
The tragic thing is that there seems to be a lot of similarities between what went on with PuC and what's gone/going on with the Casement Park. The big difference is that the Casement project seems to have been thrown a life ring with the Euros situation. However if anything happens to that life ring I really can't see Casement not being Puc 2.0
Never be as bad as the Derry County board allowing the county ground name to be sold to a Scottish football team...
Govt considering sign off on naming of stadium...
now that's a great outcome.
Quote from: Itchy on January 16, 2024, 09:04:55 AMQuote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
Quote from: Itchy on January 16, 2024, 09:04:55 AMQuote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
It is easy money but is nothing sacred anymore.
Imagine if HQ was called Coke Park, with a giant Coca Cola sign to greet you as you arrive. Would people stand for that, I doubt it. I think there are somethings you just leave alone.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
It is easy money but is nothing sacred anymore.
Imagine if HQ was called Coke Park, with a giant Coca Cola sign to greet you as you arrive. Would people stand for that, I doubt it. I think there are somethings you just leave alone.
Coke Park! Are the Kinihan's looking to sponsor it?
The Athletic grounds could of course be sponsored by the Athletic
It could be the Athletic Athletic grounds
Or jointly by the Athletic and Atletico Madrid
The Athletic Atletico grounds
Or the full title
The Athletic Atletico Gaelic Athletic Athletic grounds
Quote from: weareros on January 16, 2024, 06:58:21 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 16, 2024, 11:43:17 AMPUC should be renamed Pairc na bhFiacha. Debt Park
Pearse Stadium in Galway is Pairc na Gaoithe
Galway were supposed to announce a Salthill name sponsor shortly or did it happen?
Heard they didn't proceed with a multi national as the CB wanted to keep Pearse in the name.
The multi national now to do the rugger ground.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 17, 2024, 12:54:32 AMQuote from: Itchy on January 16, 2024, 09:04:55 AMQuote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
Quote from: Itchy on January 16, 2024, 09:04:55 AMQuote from: naka on January 16, 2024, 08:26:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 09:30:02 PMWe're the same. Be a cold day in hell before I call it the box it athletic grounds. Another shitty soccer trend coming into our game.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
It is easy money but is nothing sacred anymore.
Imagine if HQ was called Coke Park, with a giant Coca Cola sign to greet you as you arrive. Would people stand for that, I doubt it. I think there are somethings you just leave alone.
It's easy money
Don't think anyone will call it anything other than the athletic grounds
It is easy money but is nothing sacred anymore.
Imagine if HQ was called Coke Park, with a giant Coca Cola sign to greet you as you arrive. Would people stand for that, I doubt it. I think there are somethings you just leave alone.
Coke Park! Are the Kinihan's looking to sponsor it?
They have competition from McGregor, bidding war. You know Colin likes a war apparently.
There are only 2 stadiums on the island of Ireland that have enough regular business to justify an all singing and all dancing builder's fantasy >40,000 seated capacity , corporate boxes, concerts, gridiron, boxing etc modernisation- Croke Park and Lansdowne Road.And even then the Government has to chip in.
"One should never tear down something without knowing why it was built in the first place."
GK Chesterton
There are 3 economies in Ireland.
1 the multinationals
2. The slower domestic Irish 26 county economy
3. The even slower Northern economy
All the money is in the first.
The vast majority of paying GAA fans live in 2 and 3.
Builders work for all 3 . If the 3 economies were flúirseach, stadium redevelopment would be a doddle. But only one is operating at full throttle. GAA infrastructure has to be affordable to the lucht féachana. This is senior hurling.
How about stop building these white elephant GAA stadiums and other vanity projects that are not financially viable? The crowds are not there anymore, PUC has probably barely ever sold out and rarely gets a decent crowd all year. Casement the next.
The muck on display in football with fouls every 10 seconds, at increased ticket and streaming prices. Refusal to accept cash and instead using about multiple awkward ticket applications on mobile phones depending on the competitions.
Quote from: full moon on January 17, 2024, 01:04:53 PMHow about stop building these white elephant GAA stadiums and other vanity projects that are not financially viable? The crowds are not there anymore, PUC has probably barely ever sold out and rarely gets a decent crowd all year. Casement the next.
The muck on display in football with fouls every 10 seconds, at increased ticket and streaming prices. Refusal to accept cash and instead using about multiple awkward ticket applications on mobile phones depending on the competitions.
+1