Brexit.

[gallsman]

Yeah, the problem with that analogy is that the creidt unions don't tell people to f**k off. They just hand the cash out like sweeties.

[Milltown Row2]

The decline in UK real wages since the pre-crisis peak is the most severe in the OECD, equal only to Greece. Both countries saw declines of 10.4% per cent between 2007 Q4 and 2015Q4.

http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2016/07/uk-real-wages-decline-10-severe-oecd-equal-greece/ show less

That article has little, or in fact anything, to do with brexit.

No directly. However, it explains some of the dissatisfaction and some of the theories that immigration was holding wages down. It also illustrates that people have lost living standards through inflation, something that will probably happen again in the next couple of years.

For instance, since 2008 wages in the 26 counties are much the same on average, some sectors and the public sector are down, others are up a bit. But prices too are much the same, so people are not doing so bad. In the UK wages have not grown much, but there has been significant inflation in the UK. Since Sterling was last 90c in 2008 prices in the North are up 10-12% vs feck all in the South so Sterling might well reach parity this time.

would it be fair to say that people spend way to much compared to say the 70's or 80's? And that the standard of living now is hundred times better than what I grew up with in the 70's? I mean most 10 year olds have a smart phone or IPad or such like nowadays, contract phones plus house phones, newer cars rather than the old bangers we had that we cellotaped through MOT's.. And people eat way too much also, we'd spuds right through the week! with an assortment of veg and so called meat!

For all the complaining we are living a better life than before, this is shown with how long people are living compared to before!

Some people are never happy with what they have or have a very short memory

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/4155cd6c-9485-11e6-a80e-bcd69f323a8b#comments

Coase Theorem 2 hours ago
This is worse than an experts view
This is an investors' view
US businesses, like Japanese ones, are just flat out saying that the UK is less attractive if it isn't in the Single Market
And unlike any UK business this can't be dismissed as a lack of patriotism
It just is what it is


Jean 2 hours ago
@NP O Lordy, don't you get it? There will be no low tax low reg economy on the EU's border hoovering up investment precisely because the EU will ensure that low tax low reg economy has no access to its market .... which at stroke eliminates its sources of investment

[Hereiam]

The decline in UK real wages since the pre-crisis peak is the most severe in the OECD, equal only to Greece. Both countries saw declines of 10.4% per cent between 2007 Q4 and 2015Q4.

http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2016/07/uk-real-wages-decline-10-severe-oecd-equal-greece/ show less

That article has little, or in fact anything, to do with brexit.

No directly. However, it explains some of the dissatisfaction and some of the theories that immigration was holding wages down. It also illustrates that people have lost living standards through inflation, something that will probably happen again in the next couple of years.

For instance, since 2008 wages in the 26 counties are much the same on average, some sectors and the public sector are down, others are up a bit. But prices too are much the same, so people are not doing so bad. In the UK wages have not grown much, but there has been significant inflation in the UK. Since Sterling was last 90c in 2008 prices in the North are up 10-12% vs feck all in the South so Sterling might well reach parity this time.

would it be fair to say that people spend way to much compared to say the 70's or 80's? And that the standard of living now is hundred times better than what I grew up with in the 70's? I mean most 10 year olds have a smart phone or IPad or such like nowadays, contract phones plus house phones, newer cars rather than the old bangers we had that we cellotaped through MOT's.. And people eat way too much also, we'd spuds right through the week! with an assortment of veg and so called meat!

For all the complaining we are living a better life than before, this is shown with how long people are living compared to before!

Some people are never happy with what they have or have a very short memory

This is very true.
The main driving force behind this in the majority of cases is women. I know from friends who are married and myself included it is very hard to rein the missus in when it comes to spending at birthdays, Christmas etc. Years ago there was only one source of income and it was easier controlled, now you have two and their is very little control unless one of you is ruthless.

[screenexile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFp3-qE_T8

She knows the craic... Britain may take advantage of their Exports while their price is low and they're still in the market. The gravy train is going to leave the station very soon!!!

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFp3-qE_T8

She knows the craic... Britain may take advantage of their Exports while their price is low and they're still in the market. The gravy train is going to leave the station very soon!!!

Super video.
Brexit is a joke

[armaghniac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFp3-qE_T8

She knows the craic... Britain may take advantage of their Exports while their price is low and they're still in the market. The gravy train is going to leave the station very soon!!!

Super video.

1. she is an "expert"
2. she is also a foreigner
what would she know, what is all the fuss about  this Oxford University anyway?

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFp3-qE_T8

She knows the craic... Britain may take advantage of their Exports while their price is low and they're still in the market. The gravy train is going to leave the station very soon!!!

Super video.

1. she is an "expert"
2. she is also a foreigner
what would she know, what is all the fuss about  this Oxford University anyway?

https://www.ft.com/content/347bf20e-9478-11e6-a80e-bcd69f323a8b

"The view from Brussels: Brexit, to the EU-27, in effect kills the passport as it existed for UK-based companies. More significantly, the determination of equivalence is at the European Commission's discretion. It could in principle be withdrawn, for example, if the EU regime changes, or the terms of access changed. From London's perspective, the access provisions are vulnerable to misinterpretation or abuse.
French officials, in particular, see little prospect of the City retaining its position as the main financial centre for the euro. They expect EU rules to be calibrated over time to deepen eurozone-based financial activities, and make it more difficult to operate "offshore"."

That would destroy a sizeable chunk of London's economy.

[haranguerer]

https://www.ft.com/content/347bf20e-9478-11e6-a80e-bcd69f323a8b

"The view from Brussels: Brexit, to the EU-27, in effect kills the passport as it existed for UK-based companies. More significantly, the determination of equivalence is at the European Commission's discretion. It could in principle be withdrawn, for example, if the EU regime changes, or the terms of access changed. From London's perspective, the access provisions are vulnerable to misinterpretation or abuse.
French officials, in particular, see little prospect of the City retaining its position as the main financial centre for the euro. They expect EU rules to be calibrated over time to deepen eurozone-based financial activities, and make it more difficult to operate "offshore"."

That would destroy a sizeable chunk of London's the UK's economy.

[Hereiam]

Heard that twat secretary of state for the north on the radio this morning and when he was pushed on how immigration was going to be controlled coming into the UK through Ireland he more or less was saying that the Irish government with be doing this for them.
Has there been some deal done between Kenny and the brits that there will be British border control posts in Irish air ports and ferry terminals.
This should not be allowed to happen.

[muppet]

Heard that twat secretary of state for the north on the radio this morning and when he was pushed on how immigration was going to be controlled coming into the UK through Ireland he more or less was saying that the Irish government with be doing this for them.
Has there been some deal done between Kenny and the brits that there will be British border control posts in Irish air ports and ferry terminals.
This should not be allowed to happen.

There is hardly a deal done between Kenny and the Brits when the deal will have to be between Britain and the 27 members of the EU as part of Brexit. And talks haven't even begun on that yet. They are merely speculating on the aspects of Brexit that will cause grief but that neither side wish to dig in on (at the moment anyway).

The alternatives would be the Brits doing it at Irish ports or a hard border with the 6 counties.

Britain is good at some things and not good at others. Customs and Border Security firmly falls into the latter. Far better that we do it for them.

[seafoid]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/19/brexit-reignites-debate-britishness-northern-ireland-unionists

[seafoid]

Heard that twat secretary of state for the north on the radio this morning and when he was pushed on how immigration was going to be controlled coming into the UK through Ireland he more or less was saying that the Irish government with be doing this for them.
Has there been some deal done between Kenny and the brits that there will be British border control posts in Irish air ports and ferry terminals.
This should not be allowed to happen.

There is hardly a deal done between Kenny and the Brits when the deal will have to be between Britain and the 27 members of the EU as part of Brexit. And talks haven't even begun on that yet. They are merely speculating on the aspects of Brexit that will cause grief but that neither side wish to dig in on (at the moment anyway).

The alternatives would be the Brits doing it at Irish ports or a hard border with the 6 counties.

Britain is good at some things and not good at others. Customs and Border Security firmly falls into the latter. Far better that we do it for them.

The border control thing is bollocks though. The UK economy isn't on its knees because of #dagos and #spicks and #no dogs or Irish.
It's because Brits haven't been getting payrises for a long time. 
All the mess goes back to this point. Brexit won't addres the core issue either.

I still can't get my head around how stupid the UK elites are.

[armaghniac]

Secretary of state for the north on RTE now.

[muppet]

Heard that twat secretary of state for the north on the radio this morning and when he was pushed on how immigration was going to be controlled coming into the UK through Ireland he more or less was saying that the Irish government with be doing this for them.
Has there been some deal done between Kenny and the brits that there will be British border control posts in Irish air ports and ferry terminals.
This should not be allowed to happen.

There is hardly a deal done between Kenny and the Brits when the deal will have to be between Britain and the 27 members of the EU as part of Brexit. And talks haven't even begun on that yet. They are merely speculating on the aspects of Brexit that will cause grief but that neither side wish to dig in on (at the moment anyway).

The alternatives would be the Brits doing it at Irish ports or a hard border with the 6 counties.

Britain is good at some things and not good at others. Customs and Border Security firmly falls into the latter. Far better that we do it for them.

The border control thing is bollocks though. The UK economy isn't on its knees because of #dagos and #spicks and #no dogs or Irish.
It's because Brits haven't been getting payrises for a long time. 
All the mess goes back to this point. Brexit won't addres the core issue either.

I still can't get my head around how stupid the UK elites are.

Good economy, middling economy or collapsed economy, there will still need to be a border. What we don't need is one with the 6 counties.