Brexit.

[armaghniac]

Hows the pound doing today against the Euro??

it is fairly steady the last few days, have you not been looking at Drici's thread? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27117.15

meanwhile across Europe, others are following the example of the brave British Brexiteers. Not!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/08/brexit-causes-resurgence-in-pro-eu-leanings-across-continent

Nope haven't.... Been too busy getting ready for the world to stop turning

Well you've become 10% poorer relative to me in the last week and that's only the beginning.

[Milltown Row2]

Hows the pound doing today against the Euro??

it is fairly steady the last few days, have you not been looking at Drici's thread? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27117.15

meanwhile across Europe, others are following the example of the brave British Brexiteers. Not!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/08/brexit-causes-resurgence-in-pro-eu-leanings-across-continent

Nope haven't.... Been too busy getting ready for the world to stop turning

Well you've become 10% poorer relative to me in the last week and that's only the beginning.

I certainly feel it... Been here in London all week on hols..which will be a strange place after brexit kicks in as there will be no one working the hospitality trade, maybe they could help the unemployed get into work, no wait those jobs were always available to everybody....

In Belfast back in the day, the Catholics worked the vast majority of the hospitality trade (and building trade) then they worked out that you'd get more money on the dole!!

[armaghniac]

The breakup of the UK is even starting to break up Antrim
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14608367.The_Irish_island_campaigning_to_become_part_of_Scotland/

[BennyCake]

The breakup of the UK is even starting to break up Antrim
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14608367.The_Irish_island_campaigning_to_become_part_of_Scotland/

Think of all those Rathlin hurlers that will be lost to Scotland.

[heganboy]

there is an interesting proposal being made towards a very aggressive devolution within a reframed UK which will be proposed in the commons this week. The theory seems to be that this will head off the Scotland independence issue. I'm not sure I agree:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/brexit-vote-paves-way-for-federal-union-says-all-party-group

The governance of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should be reinvented within a new voluntary union in a bid to save the UK from disintegration, an independent all-party group of experts will argue this week.

The Constitution Reform Group, convened by former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Salisbury, is to make the the case for radical constitutional change in the UK by claiming the need has been boosted by the vote to leave the European Union.

Their proposals say the existing union should be replaced with fully devolved government in each part of the UK, with each given full sovereignty over its own affairs. The Westminster parliament, the group says, should then be reduced to 146 MPs. The individual nations and regions of the UK would then be encouraged to pool sovereignty to cover the matters they wish to be dealt with on a shared basis.



The proposals say they "start from the position that each of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a unit that both can and should determine its own affairs to the extent that it considers it should; but that each unit should also be free to choose to share, through an efficient and effective United Kingdom, functions which are more effectively exercised on a shared basis."

The new construction suggests a complete reversal of the UK's current constitutional arrangement, in which all sovereignty formally rests in the centre and is then devolved to regions on a piecemeal basis.

"The time for radical change has come. This country needs a new act of union," Salisbury told the Guardian. "We are in a different world following the Brexit vote. The top-down, ad hoc approach to the structure of the United Kingdom needs to be replaced. We believe that our approach based on consent will provide a stronger union than the one that we now have and which is under challenge."

The Constitution Reform Group includes the former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, the former Labour Northern Ireland and Wales secretary Peter Hain, the former clerk of the House of Commons Lord Lisvane, and the former Ulster Unionist politician David Burnside.

The group claims it has the support of former Conservative prime minister Sir John Major, and from the current chairman of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee, Graham Brady. Both senior backers are significant as the Conservative party, which is so dominant in England, has often been reluctant to embrace new constitutional thinking about the union, especially if it involves federalism.

The Salisbury group's proposals have been drafted into an Act of Union bill which is due for publication this week and will be put forward as a basis for discussion.

The group hopes that debate on its proposals would allow the draft bill to be refined and improved and acquire a degree of consent that would enable a future government to secure its parliamentary passage. If adopted, the new Act of Union would come into force only if passed within 14 months by a UK-wide referendum and by majorities in each of the four component nations.

The group proposes that the shared UK functions would include the monarchy as head of state, foreign affairs, defence, national security, immigration, international treaties, human rights, the supreme court, a single currency, a central bank function, financial services regulation, income and corporation tax powers, and the civil service.

Other functions of the existing UK would be controlled by the nations and regions, creating what would in effect be a sovereignty-max solution to the national question in the UK, similar in effect to the "devo-max" proposal that has often been canvassed in Scotland.

The group says its bill "aims to preserve and codify the most important and successful features of the present system, such as the notion of mutual support and shared rights and values".

Two key questions remain unresolved, on which the Salisbury group offers alternatives. The government of England would either involve a directly elected English parliament or a continuation of the current evolution towards self-governing English city-regions. There is no proposal for the creation of English regions.

The other unresolved question is the shape, size and future of the UK parliament. Under one version, the House of Lords would be abolished and a Commons consisting of 146 MPs would be the main legislative chamber. A new, second chamber comprising delegates from the English, Scottish and Welsh parliaments and from the Northern Ireland assembly would be created. Under the alternative, the Lords would be reduced to 400 members, with 75% directly elected on a federal basis and the rest appointed.

Members of the group have made clear they are partly motivated by limiting the momentum towards Scottish independence following the 23 June vote to leave the European Union. "It would pull the rug from under independence," said Lord Hain, while Salisbury argued his proposals would hand the initiative back to unionists.

Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remaining in the EU.

[seafoid]

there is an interesting proposal being made towards a very aggressive devolution within a reframed UK which will be proposed in the commons this week. The theory seems to be that this will head off the Scotland independence issue. I'm not sure I agree:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/brexit-vote-paves-way-for-federal-union-says-all-party-group

The governance of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should be reinvented within a new voluntary union in a bid to save the UK from disintegration, an independent all-party group of experts will argue this week.

The Constitution Reform Group, convened by former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Salisbury, is to make the the case for radical constitutional change in the UK by claiming the need has been boosted by the vote to leave the European Union.

Their proposals say the existing union should be replaced with fully devolved government in each part of the UK, with each given full sovereignty over its own affairs. The Westminster parliament, the group says, should then be reduced to 146 MPs. The individual nations and regions of the UK would then be encouraged to pool sovereignty to cover the matters they wish to be dealt with on a shared basis.



The proposals say they "start from the position that each of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a unit that both can and should determine its own affairs to the extent that it considers it should; but that each unit should also be free to choose to share, through an efficient and effective United Kingdom, functions which are more effectively exercised on a shared basis."

The new construction suggests a complete reversal of the UK's current constitutional arrangement, in which all sovereignty formally rests in the centre and is then devolved to regions on a piecemeal basis.

"The time for radical change has come. This country needs a new act of union," Salisbury told the Guardian. "We are in a different world following the Brexit vote. The top-down, ad hoc approach to the structure of the United Kingdom needs to be replaced. We believe that our approach based on consent will provide a stronger union than the one that we now have and which is under challenge."

The Constitution Reform Group includes the former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, the former Labour Northern Ireland and Wales secretary Peter Hain, the former clerk of the House of Commons Lord Lisvane, and the former Ulster Unionist politician David Burnside.

The group claims it has the support of former Conservative prime minister Sir John Major, and from the current chairman of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee, Graham Brady. Both senior backers are significant as the Conservative party, which is so dominant in England, has often been reluctant to embrace new constitutional thinking about the union, especially if it involves federalism.

The Salisbury group's proposals have been drafted into an Act of Union bill which is due for publication this week and will be put forward as a basis for discussion.

The group hopes that debate on its proposals would allow the draft bill to be refined and improved and acquire a degree of consent that would enable a future government to secure its parliamentary passage. If adopted, the new Act of Union would come into force only if passed within 14 months by a UK-wide referendum and by majorities in each of the four component nations.

The group proposes that the shared UK functions would include the monarchy as head of state, foreign affairs, defence, national security, immigration, international treaties, human rights, the supreme court, a single currency, a central bank function, financial services regulation, income and corporation tax powers, and the civil service.

Other functions of the existing UK would be controlled by the nations and regions, creating what would in effect be a sovereignty-max solution to the national question in the UK, similar in effect to the "devo-max" proposal that has often been canvassed in Scotland.

The group says its bill "aims to preserve and codify the most important and successful features of the present system, such as the notion of mutual support and shared rights and values".

Two key questions remain unresolved, on which the Salisbury group offers alternatives. The government of England would either involve a directly elected English parliament or a continuation of the current evolution towards self-governing English city-regions. There is no proposal for the creation of English regions.

The other unresolved question is the shape, size and future of the UK parliament. Under one version, the House of Lords would be abolished and a Commons consisting of 146 MPs would be the main legislative chamber. A new, second chamber comprising delegates from the English, Scottish and Welsh parliaments and from the Northern Ireland assembly would be created. Under the alternative, the Lords would be reduced to 400 members, with 75% directly elected on a federal basis and the rest appointed.

Members of the group have made clear they are partly motivated by limiting the momentum towards Scottish independence following the 23 June vote to leave the European Union. "It would pull the rug from under independence," said Lord Hain, while Salisbury argued his proposals would hand the initiative back to unionists.

Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remaining in the EU.

how the money is split is key. Devo max would not suit NI.

[armaghniac]

This plan is complete  bollix.  NI
and Scotland can't stay in the EU,  they  just get responsibility for their own costs without the ability to raise  the money.

[armaghniac]

Conservatives now a one filly race, Leadsom gone, apparently.
Will May be crowned or will they bring the loathsome Gove back in?

[seafoid]

Conservatives now a one filly race, Leadsom gone, apparently.
Will May be crowned or will they bring the loathsome Gove back in?

Leadsom starred as Ms Cupid Stunt with her comments on motherhood.  What a moron.

Only 25% MP support.  Every one of the pro Brexit leaders is gone
FT saying level of sterling depends on the deal they get with the EU. If it close to current terms stg goes up. If not it goes towards parity w USD.
A big decision in a town called malice. Maybe Brexit is dead

[bennydorano]

May wins by keeping her Gob shut mostly and letting her rivals skewer each other / themselves.

[dec]

May wins by keeping her Gob shut mostly

Any chance that it could inspire come copycats?

[Applesisapples]

May is making it clear that it is Brexit and nothing else...scary times.

[armaghniac]

Cameron stepping down on Wednesday.

May is making it clear that it is Brexit and nothing else...scary times.

On this island we need some agreement for that both the Irish and British governments will be asking for distinct arrangements for NI. The exact deal may then determine whether these have a small or big difference.

Not much hope of this with the likes of Foster at the helm.

[Canalman]

May is making it clear that it is Brexit and nothing else...scary times.

In all fairness , it was the people by way of referendum that made it clear.

[seafoid]

May is making it clear that it is Brexit and nothing else...scary times.

Plamas I bet. When the facts change I am sure she changes her mind.