Brexit.

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armaghniac

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 01, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
Interview with Michael Gove by Slugger a number of years ago on his views on Unionism in Ireland.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030409072410/http://www.sluggerotoole.com/home/archives/001059.asp

Another comment from the nice Mr Gove.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2016, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 01, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
Interview with Michael Gove by Slugger a number of years ago on his views on Unionism in Ireland.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030409072410/http://www.sluggerotoole.com/home/archives/001059.asp

Another comment from the nice Mr Gove.


Ironic that Brexit is the catalyst for the breakup of the UK

And resentment rides high
and emotions won't grow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

seafoid

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-brexit-may-bring-north-and-south-closer-1.2707279
The DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson was quick to spin a post-referendum unionist narrative, erroneously insisting his party "will be in a very strong position to influence what happens next". What the DUP will demand is "a strong package" for Northern Ireland's agricultural sector, and new, "favourable trading terms". He dismissed the idea Northern Ireland would take a financial hit: "We're going to have a lot more money within our own exchequer."
What Donaldson wants is what the North has now within the EU: free trade, a package of payments to assist agriculture and extensive subvention from the British exchequer. The desire is for Brexit to change nothing. It is difficult to see this as anything other than arrogant delusion, with the potential to do damage to unionism and, arguably, in the long-term, make the prospects of Irish unity more likely.


Farrandeelin

Nigel Farage has stepped down as UKIP leader.
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No wides

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
Nigel Farage has stepped down as UKIP leader.

Amazing so all the leavers will be gone by time new PM is elected.

armaghniac

Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2016, 03:22:45 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-brexit-may-bring-north-and-south-closer-1.2707279
The DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson was quick to spin a post-referendum unionist narrative, erroneously insisting his party "will be in a very strong position to influence what happens next". What the DUP will demand is "a strong package" for Northern Ireland's agricultural sector, and new, "favourable trading terms". He dismissed the idea Northern Ireland would take a financial hit: "We're going to have a lot more money within our own exchequer."
What Donaldson wants is what the North has now within the EU: free trade, a package of payments to assist agriculture and extensive subvention from the British exchequer. The desire is for Brexit to change nothing. It is difficult to see this as anything other than arrogant delusion, with the potential to do damage to unionism and, arguably, in the long-term, make the prospects of Irish unity more likely.

There is some sort of North - South meeting today. I wouldn't be overly confident given the characters involved. This whole thing is extremely dangerous, you could easily end up with a situation where cross border trade is still possible, but more difficult, depressing large parts of the country. The suggestion today that GB would cut the corporation tax makes the NI corporation tax concession largely useless. London will send a certain amount of money, but Wales and other places will want equivalance with NI in this matter. Jeremy Donaldson might well end up winning, you'd have a 6 counties where many regret partition but which is such a complete economic basket case that there is no path to eliminating partition, which presumably explains the DUP approach to Brexit all along.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
Nigel Farage has stepped down as UKIP leader.
He is a liability. None of the leavers want to clean up the mess.

NAG1

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2016, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
Nigel Farage has stepped down as UKIP leader.
He is a liability. None of the leavers want to clean up the mess.

Surely those that voted leave are now starting to see the mess that this has created, when even the two loudest champions for it can't even stand over it.

Hereiam

When is that fella that is the head of the DUP going to stand down i wonder

general_lee

The DUP really come across as the most inept shower of flag waving gobshites who's only priority is reaffirming their Britishness and cementing their supremacy over Nationalists. They're more concerned with pleasing their English overlords than they are representing the interests of people in NI. I've said it before but it is depressing that so many morons vote for them

Orior

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armaghniac

Quote from: general_lee on July 04, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
The DUP really come across as the most inept shower of flag waving gobshites who's only priority is reaffirming their Britishness and cementing their supremacy over Nationalists. They're more concerned with pleasing their English overlords than they are representing the interests of people in NI. I've said it before but it is depressing that so many morons vote for them

Indeed. Many of the people who voted for them will be paying in the their pocket.
I note that Hamilton, the economy minister, refuses to say have how he voted, and he seems to be getting it in the ear when talking to companies.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Walter Cronc

Quote from: general_lee on July 04, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
The DUP really come across as the most inept shower of flag waving gobshites who's only priority is reaffirming their Britishness and cementing their supremacy over Nationalists. They're more concerned with pleasing their English overlords than they are representing the interests of people in NI. I've said it before but it is depressing that so many morons vote for them

Do the morons even have an alternative to vote for though?? How the working class loyalist community in Belfast and other towns vote for the DUP is beyond me. They've done nothing to improve the loyalist ghettos. Schools and housing is shameful compared to other areas. Arlene is pathetic, jesus Peter Robinson wasnt half as bad!

imtommygunn

East Belfast is probably the most oppressed place in NI coutesy of... the DUP. yet every election time who gets voted in .... the DUP.

You couldn't make it up. There will hopefully come a time when people vote properly but unfortunately doesn't appear to be any time soon.

johnneycool

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2016, 01:53:15 PM
East Belfast is probably the most oppressed place in NI coutesy of... the DUP. yet every election time who gets voted in .... the DUP.

You couldn't make it up. There will hopefully come a time when people vote properly but unfortunately doesn't appear to be any time soon.

Keep the masses uneducated, feed them full of fear of themmuns and watch the votes flood in.