George Hook

Started by Boycey, September 13, 2017, 02:01:49 PM

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seafoid

#45
Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 14, 2017, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2017, 12:40:07 AM
Richard Keys
Andy Gray
Eric Bristow
Kevin Myers
George Hook

are the ones I can remember. None of them did anything illegal.
The problem with lynch mobs is the counterreaction.
In the US the alt right and 4 Chan feed off feminist/minority lynch mobs.
Zionist Jews love leveraging the Christian minority to shut down debate on Israel for example. It isn't very strategic imo.
You cannot say x Jew is an ass hole or y Jew is greedy . That would be antisemitic. You can say it about Derry people or anyone else.
Sacking Myers wont stop Ísrael collapsing.
Sacking Hook will not change the experience of being raped in Ireland. It won't change the ubiquity of violent porn or misogyny, the reality of class  in the justice system or the politics of cheap alcohol.

Who benefits from all the energy?

It is all bullshit
I assume your last line is referring to all the other lines above it.

Who said anybody did anything illegal? Nobody. What's the relevance of saying that none of them did anything illegal? There is none.

What's your contention? You should only lose your job if you do something illegal? Are you happy, like Fearon, for Hook to exercise his right to his opinion on the airwaves with no limitations?

I hope George gets the boot and goes home and expresses his opinion to the mirror or whoever is willing to listen to him until his dying day.
Fearon is different

Hook and Myers apologised.
Losing your job because there is a lynch mob is wrong

the whole thing is polarising.

In a non polarised society there are agreed ways of dealing with people who may cause offence. there are courts but there are also understandings. 

Manufactured outrages which lead to lynch mobs and their justice have no place in a stable society.

Polarisation is a feature of societies going through economic meltdown. All means to attract and distract.  Don't look at the Euro architecture over there. Don't look at where your pension is invested.

If you really care about rape vote for someone who will address the structural issues that drive it.

Hook is a clown. He is not a Nazi.
The Nazis are all laughing at ye .
That you have to use the term "lynch mob" is a sure sign of a beaten argument.

Every defence I've seen of Hook has used the same techniques -

i) Establish imagined victimhood on the part of the actual bully. This is the primary tool the reactionary right-wing uses to try and drum up sympathy.

ii) Invoke bogus claims of "clamping down on free speech" or "thought control".

iii) Focussing on the irrelevant window dressing in the rest of Hook's comments rather than the actual lines which are cut and dried examples both of victim blaming. Hook says, in different words which mean the exact same thing, that the victim was "asking for it".

iv) Throw in a few catch all right-wing cliches - the usual nonsense - "PC brigade gone mad", "SJWs", "telling it like it is".

The people who defend Hook are the very people who most object when it is genuinely "told like it is".

Neither Hook nor Myers, and you can throw in the likes of Ian O'Doherty and John Waters and that non-entity of a troll John McGuirk, are victims in any form of the word.

They are professional contrarian bullies who use their pulpits to bully and stereotype actual victims, and their words cause real harm. 

Professional contrarians like that generally push it too far in the end and say something completely indefensible.

Hook went on a rant about "personal responsibility". Yet he exercises no personal responsibility.

And for Hook, the only "personal responsibility" he cares about is that of the victim. Not the perpetrator.

Newstalk has become a cesspit of misogynism and reactionary right-wing culture. And that's entirely by choice.
You can't win an argument when the society is polarised, Sid. Tsk tsk
There are echo chambers. Nobody in one echo chamber listens to the other.
Maybe that is what is the problem is.

It all part of the same system, the act and the response.
That is how plutocracy works

haters keep hating
f**king these models

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2FRFhS7QY
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

easytiger95

Speaking as a human (and a cyclist) Hooky would be no loss from the airwaves. Neither would Newstalk, with the exception of Tom Dunne.

AZOffaly

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 14, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
Speaking as a human (and a cyclist) Hooky would be no loss from the airwaves. Neither would Newstalk, with the exception of Tom Dunne.
Ah Newstalk's sport is very good.

Itchy

I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".

sid waddell

Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours.

https://twitter.com/PatrickFreyne1/status/907540309944434688

Have I this straight, misogynists? Assuming men might rape insults all men, but if women DON'T assume they might be raped, they're to blame

that sounds like the type of no-win situation that would suggest we have a rape culture

Declan


mouview

Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".

Sums it up as well as I could.
Would anyone advise a female friend or relative, particularly one so young, to act thus?

mouview

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 01:45:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours.

https://twitter.com/PatrickFreyne1/status/907540309944434688

Have I this straight, misogynists? Assuming men might rape insults all men, but if women DON'T assume they might be raped, they're to blame

that sounds like the type of no-win situation that would suggest we have a rape culture

Sid, as Seafoid suggested, your recent comments leave you in no position to talk about misogyny.

seafoid

Women can be raped under any circumstances. This young lady went home with someone, had consensual sex with him and was then gang raped.
George Hook doesn't know what it is like out there.
She probably wouldn't be able to analyse rugby on TV either though

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/courts/its-your-birthday-surprise-men-told-woman-before-gang-rape
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

sid waddell

Quote from: mouview on September 14, 2017, 02:04:52 PM

Sid, as Seafoid suggested, your recent comments leave you in no position to talk about misogyny.
Really.

Some people are very touchy.

I guess different people pick different things to get touchy about. Sort of a NIMBY attitude to what they think should be allowable and what shouldn't.

And missing the wood for the trees.






sid waddell

Quote from: mouview on September 14, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".

Sums it up as well as I could.
Would anyone advise a female friend or relative, particularly one so young, to act thus?
So, you're saying the woman should have assumed she would be raped in that situation?

JoG2

#56
Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: mouview on September 14, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".

Sums it up as well as I could.
Would anyone advise a female friend or relative, particularly one so young, to act thus?
So, you're saying the woman should have assumed she would be raped in that situation?

Ive a teenage daughter who is starting to head out, I do and will absolutely continue to advise her on how to stay safe the best I can etc...

You're an absolute melter.... Have a walk or something non internet related , it'll do you the world of good


Rudi

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: mouview on September 14, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".

Sums it up as well as I could.
Would anyone advise a female friend or relative, particularly one so young, to act thus?
So, you're saying the woman should have assumed she would be raped in that situation?

No where in the fu@k did he say that


Esmarelda

Quote from: Itchy on September 14, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
I dont like Hook very much. However, I think there is a lynch mob after him. What he said was stupid and I am pretty sure that no one thinks a rape victim should carry any burden of blame. I think what he was trying  to say was that you can put yourself in harms way with certain behaviour and you can likewise minimise the risk to yourself  with other behaviours. EG if you fly to a war zone and get shot, you are not to blame for being murdered but you could have better protected yourself by not flying to a warzone. I think that is a reasonable enough opinion to have. There seems to be a bunch of very angry people hell bent of taking Hook down and while I wont shed any tears for him I dont think it is a fair punishment for the "crime".
Except he questioned if they should. That's the point.

Of course you can advise people not to put themselves in danger. Is a girl going back to a man's hotel room putting herself in danger? I would say it shouldn't be and it isn't something she should need to be warned against.