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#31
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PM
Congratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
#32
General discussion / Re: Movie recommendations
January 24, 2024, 10:09:20 PM
Saw The Boys in the Boat recently. Highly recommended.
#33
General discussion / Re: Movie recommendations
January 24, 2024, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 16, 2024, 12:08:41 PMThe All or Nothing series I found very good. Watched a few of them. All the PL ones were good. Enjoyed the Pep one the best. Ice hockey one very good too. Found no problem watching multiple episodes with them.

For drama, Man in High Castle on Prime springs to mind, don't know if you've seen it. Carnival Row was ok.

Such a depressing show. Nothing good ever happens in the first season. There's a one-dimensional sheriff baddie who does my head in. I gave up after Season 1.
#34
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 24, 2024, 12:29:40 AM
Want me to do Italy or are we all sorted?
#35
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 24, 2024, 12:26:20 AM
For Denmark:

"According to mainstream criminology, Nordic societies with their generous welfare states are supposed to moderate, if not restrict, penal powers. In the case of migration, we see the opposite pattern. In Denmark, we see extended use of penal institutions and penal harms to contain and remove unwanted populations from the region, including proposals for a prison island and the confinement of migrants in 19th century prisons. To make sense of these developments and interpret its social meaning, we unpack the logic of the punishment–welfare nexus and Nordic exceptionalism. We find that Denmark expands penal power to regulate non-citizens, deter migration and uphold national interests. These repressive practices are not exceptions to the rule but rather illustrate the exclusionary edge and very nature of the penal regimes in Denmark, a Nordic welfare state."

Barker & Smith. This is Denmark: Prison Islands and the Detention of Immigrants.  The British Journal of Criminology, Volume 61, Issue 6, November 2021, Pages 1540–1556,  27 April 2021

Again, this seems to be another case of a justice system actively seeking to apply harsher penalties to immigrants than to natives. This is not evidence that immigrants are more likely to commit crime than locals.
#36
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 24, 2024, 12:22:25 AM
For Netherlands:

"Compared to Dutch citizens arrested for the same crimes and with similar criminal records, foreign
nationals are more likely to have their cases referred to court, to be detained, convicted, and imprisoned
. The interviews identified several mechanisms that explicate these differences, including (i) annoyance when foreign nationals are perceived to be in the country for the purpose of committing
crime; (ii) logistical issues when noncitizens do not have a permanent residence, and; (iii) undermining the need for reintegration because many defendants are unlikely to remain in the Netherlands."

Light & Wermink. The Criminal Case Processing of Foreign Nationals in the Netherlands

Department of Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706, USA and Department of Criminology, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University, PO Box 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands. European Sociological Review, 2020, 1–17

Seems like foreign nationals are more likely to be prosecuted when they commit crime than locals. That's not the same as foreign nationals being more likely to commit crimes.
#37
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 24, 2024, 12:17:22 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 10:02:28 PMNotice that I said "In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.", and you quote the Guards and refer to asylum seekers. Look up The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Italy... Or just come back here in 15 years.


I don't generally bite when people ask me to do the research to back up their claims, rather than defend their own arguments, but I thought I'd humour you here. For Sweden:

"The analysis notes the nature and history of the welfare state in Sweden and the characteristics of the general population. It notes that 6 million people are between ages 15 and 69 years; these include 5.2 million native Swedes, 0.4 million naturalized Swedes, and 0.4 million domiciled foreign citizens. The two small but officially recognized minority groups are Laplanders and the Finns who live close to the Finnish border. Immigration to Sweden has a long tradition. Annual victimization surveys reveal almost no differences between native Swedish and various immigrant groups in victimization by property crimes. However, immigrants report more often than Swedish citizens that have been victims of violence. Increasing numbers of crimes with racist or xenophobic motives have occurred in recent years. Other studies have indicated that foreign background is only a weak variable for predicting criminal and other antisocial behavior. Immigrant groups are overrepresented in conviction statistics, although these data do not control for social background variables. The overrepresentation has existed for at least 25 years. Discrimination, cultural differences, selective immigration, marginalization, strain, are among the explanations suggested for the differences. Developments in the public debate have not paralleled the developments in criminality. The focus on foreign offenders and more punitive policies began in the 1980s. Public attention has probably increased the polarization of various groups and young people; the climate of confrontation has increased. However, Sweden has not yet experienced the problem with crimes by immigrants and ethnic minorities that other countries have, partly because the relationship between ethnicity and class is still not strong in Sweden."

Hofer et al. Minorities, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Sweden (From Minorities, Migrants, and Crime: Diversity and Similarity Across Europe and the United States, P 62-85, 1997, Ineke Haen Marshall, ed. - See NCJ-171072)
#38
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 24, 2024, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 23, 2024, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.




Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.

When you see it you will call it anomaly.

Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.

Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.

This is the way.

It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.

Au contraire Eamon.

I'm not bent out of shape about it at all.

What I'm suggesting here is this. Whilst there's a stream of anecdotes above about how nobody ever sees a foreigner using A&E, there's hard and cold written records that they are using a disproportionately high level of another key public service.

Are there "natives" fighting, stabbing, drink driving, etc in Newry every week? You bet your life there are. There's plenty of Irishmen are unable/unwilling to control their emotional or physical states. But the headcount of incidents involving "natives" should absolutely dwarf those of foreign nationals.

Yet it doesn't.

It just doesn't.

It's there in black and white.

Where?
#39
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 23, 2024, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.




Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.

When you see it you will call it anomaly.

Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.

Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.

This is the way.

It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.
#40
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
January 23, 2024, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.




Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.

Maybe that's because they tend to get longer sentences for the same offences than white people.

Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland

"An analysis of prisoner data shows that Irish nationals in prison had an average of 6.2 previous custodial sentences, while foreign nationals had just 2.5. Foreign nationals also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (8.9 months longer) and sexual offences (15.9 months longer) than Irish people.

People with an ethnicity other than white also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (14.34 months longer) and sexual offences (32 months longer) than white people."

At any rate there's no evidence that more immigration means more crime. Unless you think the Gardai have gone all "woke."

No link between asylum seekers and increased crime, authorities state

"In the statement, the Garda said there has been no significant increase in crime statistics as a result of the increase in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland. The Department of Justice also said there is no evidence of a link between the number of asylum seekers in Ireland and an increase in crime."
#41
General discussion / Re: The Official Daddies Club
January 18, 2024, 05:51:35 AM
Forgot all about this thread. Update: We went for a second one and now he's two! So we have a girl and a boy. He's in toilet training and we're hoping to get through that soon, it'll be a major milestone. When he stops napping that'll open up a lot of other possibilities too.
#42
General discussion / Re: Lurgan
January 12, 2024, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 12, 2024, 03:20:59 PMKevin Conway's dad originally fell foul of the IRA for allegedly breaking into the homes of OAP's. He moved to Kilwilkee where he fell foul of the dissidents for supply cigs and booze to underage again allegedly. So the son didn't really have much example.

I used to work with him when he worked for Irwin's Bakery. He was under investigation by the bakery who suspected he was up to no good financially. There was a lot of cash transactions in those days so it was easier to pocket money than it probably is now.
#43
General discussion / Re: Cures and Charms
January 10, 2024, 12:52:50 AM
#44
General discussion / Re: Cures and Charms
January 10, 2024, 12:50:52 AM
Quote from: Olly on January 09, 2024, 09:58:41 PMAnother of people here being quite blasfemous. Around the year 2000 I had an awful time with the runs and visited a nun in Portglenone. She had a good look and hoke about, put her hands over me and said something in Latin. Within 3 weeks my bowels were hunky dory and since then I've only had the runs about 10 times. These things work if you are open minded. Her name was Sister Bradley but she was since derobed over a betting scandal but still does cures from her home in Stranocum.

Put her hands all over you? Took three weeks for your bowels to clean up? A betting scandal?

I feel a novel coming on.
#45
General discussion / Re: Cures and Charms
January 08, 2024, 11:41:18 PM
Load of superstitious woo-woo boll**x.