It Must be Marching Season

[Myles Na G.]

Why Maguire do you think the oppression ended before the 90s?

I don't think there was sufficient oppression to warrant, for example, the Shankill bombing.
Or the ending of the first ceasefire with Canary Wharf.
Do you?

I would be of the belief that no cause is worth a single innocent life.  However you just need to look at the many conflicts in the world and throughout history that is was inevitable that the British and unionist oppression of nationalists in the north would lead to a violent back lash.  I think it is disingenuous to sit back now and criticise and label the ira as some blood thirsty bunch of thugs.  Alot of what they done was wrong, but a situation of some type of long term non violent civil disobedience would have been a pipe dream.
IMO the canary wharf bombing achieved more than the previous Twenty years of violence by the IRA.  Not saying I agree with it, but is just my opinion.

The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

[Orior]

The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?

[Myles Na G.]

The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?

Which bit have I rewritten? The bit about the IRA waging an armed campaign in every decade since the start of partition? The bit about the IRA's objectives being to establish an independent 32 county socialist state by forcing British withdrawal from Ireland? Can you quote me anything in the IRA's Green Book which talks about ending oppression in the 6 north eastern counties of Ireland and establishing a more equal society in the north under British rule?

[lynchbhoy]

The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?

Which bit have I rewritten? The bit about the IRA waging an armed campaign in every decade since the start of partition? The bit about the IRA's objectives being to establish an independent 32 county socialist state by forcing British withdrawal from Ireland? Can you quote me anything in the IRA's Green Book which talks about ending oppression in the 6 north eastern counties of Ireland and establishing a more equal society in the north under British rule?

I can tell you what friends, neighbours and relations told me why they were in the IRA/INLA - and it was retaliation/fighting for equality/ending persecution and oppression first...reunification was an objective that would deliver all these!

stop trying to re-write history.

[Orior]

BBC3 now

[lawnseed]

Trouble tonight in keady im hearing a car tried to driver over a cop. There was an apprentice boys parade schedualed theres crap on facebook about it

[J OGorman]

Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan

[theticklemister]

Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan

Typical saturday morn in the waterside

[trasna man]

Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan

Typical saturday morn in the waterside

Here. We don't need you Liverpool wh*res, bad mouthing our neighbours and friends thank you. They had a lovely day out.

[lawnseed]

Trouble tonight in keady im hearing a car tried to driver over a cop. There was an apprentice boys parade schedualed theres crap on facebook about it

that was just drunk drivers no worries

[haveaharp]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/loyalist.queenspark?fref=ts

one of the more amusing loyalist facebook pages.

"Well done to all who stood tonight at royal avenue and stopped the scum from parading threw the city centre "

[Orior]

Here is a proposal for the Orangemen:

You can walk where you like and when you like, in a united Ireland.

Do you think the Orange Order would accept?

[Applesisapples]

Here is a proposal for the Orangemen:

You can walk where you like and when you like, in a united Ireland.

Do you think the Orange Order would accept?

mmmmm let me think.......NO

[Maguire01]

Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?

[Applesisapples]

Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?

I meant no the OO wouldn't accept.