We need to talk about Diarmuid

[nrico2006]

So a strike' is a sending off offence?

Do they define in the rulebook what a strike is?

[Il Bomber Destro]

So a strike' is a sending off offence?

Do they define in the rulebook what a strike is?

If you consider what Murphy did a strike then there are multiple bans left right and centre for every skirmish that breaks out in a match which is pretty much every match.

[five points]

What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.

Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person.   Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant.  End of story.

[Il Bomber Destro]

What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.

Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person.   Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant.  End of story.

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

[nrico2006]

What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.

Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person.   Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant.  End of story.

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face?  It was a jumper punch.

[greatpoint]

What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.

Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person.   Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant.  End of story.

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face?  It was a jumper punch.

Not doing anything that was contrary to the rules reportedly.

[five points]

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

There is difference between touching and striking. One does not prove the other. It doesn't matter what he was doing or intended to do. No appreciable force was applied to the action and therefore it's not classed as a strike.

[Il Bomber Destro]

What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.

Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person.   Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant.  End of story.

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face?  It was a jumper punch.

He was holding his jersey and shoving Keane back.

Your whole premise seems to be that because Murphy's hand came in contact with Keane's face when he was shoving him as he had his jersey held that he was striking him. There is no rule in the game that discriminates which part of the body you come in contact with with regard to a red card offence. Punching a lad in his toe is the same offence as punching a lad in the mouth or nose or eye in the laws of the game.

What you seem to be indicating is that a push or a shove is a red card offence. Is the below incident two red cards?

[twohands!!!]

I'm surprised no new rule has been brought in to stop this holding people by the neck or this not letting go of the jersey and trying to rip it off. It really has become rife in the game now as nobody wants to throw a punch any more.

+1
Couldn't agree more.

I still can't fathom why pulling a jersey isn't a straight black card

[Il Bomber Destro]

He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.

Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.

What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?

There is difference between touching and striking. One does not prove the other. It doesn't matter what he was doing or intended to do. No appreciable force was applied to the action and therefore it's not classed as a strike.

Swinging your arm at someone and subsequently hitting them in the face would constitute a strike.

Pushing a lad whose jersey you have a hold of, would not constitute a strike.

Here's an article published at the time about the overturning of Keane's ban.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/decision-to-lift-keane-suspension-infuriates-croke-park-officials-1.2323513

Keane's swung his arm at Murphy, caught him in the face and was quite rightly sent off. Force has nothing to do with it, whether you do it with an open hand or a closed fist, it's the same thing.

"There is however intense annoyance within the national administration that Mayo's Kevin Keane somehow escaped a proposed suspension after being clearly seen to strike Donegal's Michael Murphy, also in the quarter-finals for which he was shown a red card."

According to the CHC press release, the committee found that Keane's "infraction as alleged was not proven". Yet the report of referee David Gough stated that the red card had been issued for striking in accordance with the rules and the infraction was widely seen on television to have taken place.

It's as cut and dry a red card as you will see for striking, he swings his right arm from down around his hip and catches an upright Murphy who stands at around 6ft2 in the face. I'm absolutely baffled as to how it was overturned when it was recorded as clearly as it was.

[INDIANA]

How is there nothing on this already? The man is facing a 12 week ban for pushing a ref and theres not a word about it.

The two lads on the Sunday Game with to town on him last nite, was very surprised Jimbo Gavin hadn't managed to get Ciaran Whelan and some other lackie on to tell us that the bould Connolly was just moving a fly that was resting on the linesman top. Dessie did his level best to suggest that there was nothing in it but he needs to go back to Jim's PR classes because Spillane in particular made bits of his flimsy defence.

So how will the Dubs get out of this one? Maybe draft in Brolly?

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/watch-diarmuid-connollys-infamous-temper-gets-better-125750

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/watch-diarmuid-connolly-could-face-lengthy-ban-for-incident-with-linesman-35785327.html

You still won't beat us even without him. That's all you need to remember. Best of luck Sunday you;ll need it.

[J70]

Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU

Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.

Why?

He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.

Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.

Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.

No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.

Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.

Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss!

He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.

Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.

I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!

Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.

Assaulted?

The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.

There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.

I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.

You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab.  If the offender is holding a jersey so be it.  But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.

J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.

Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike.  Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do.  As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.

You can class anything as anything you want to if you ignore the evidence I suppose.

[J70]

Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU

Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.

Why?

He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.

Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.

Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.

No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.

Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.

Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss!

He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.

Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.

I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!

Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
Now, just as you can't half dig a hole or give someone half a kick up the arse, you can't grab a fistful of an opponent's jersey and attempt to push him backwards without committing an assault. Whatever Keane did or didn't do to cause Murphy to act in such a manner isn't an issue here. That's a separate matter.

If you want to classify grabbing someone's jersey, causing the opponent to struggle to get free while you have an arm's length grip of them, as assault, knock yourself out.

Handbags to most.

[Jinxy]

The jumper punch was something the aussies developed when the AFL started coming down like a tonne of bricks on punch-ups.
Basically you pull the player towards you by the jersey and then 'push' your fist into his chest/throat/chin.

[dublin7]

This thread was originally about Connolly bit like most threads has descended into farce. What is clear is almost all senior county players appeal a red card they receive. The only high profile player I can remember accepting his ban is John Mullane.

All counties/county boards are guilty of using ridiculous technicalities to get their player off. The fact that in most cases the red card was deserved is irrelevant. Serious hypocrisy and rubbish posted about Connolly by a lot of posters