How is there nothing on this already? The man is facing a 12 week ban for pushing a ref and theres not a word about it.
The two lads on the Sunday Game with to town on him last nite, was very surprised Jimbo Gavin hadn't managed to get Ciaran Whelan and some other lackie on to tell us that the bould Connolly was just moving a fly that was resting on the linesman top. Dessie did his level best to suggest that there was nothing in it but he needs to go back to Jim's PR classes because Spillane in particular made bits of his flimsy defence.
So how will the Dubs get out of this one? Maybe draft in Brolly?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/watch-diarmuid-connollys-infamous-temper-gets-better-125750
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/watch-diarmuid-connolly-could-face-lengthy-ban-for-incident-with-linesman-35785327.html
There has been loads of talk of threads here, other websites, rte and sky both highlighted it. Seems black and white given other are suspended for the exact same infraction and will end up getting a 12 week ban
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim? Always is. Charlie Redmond and Roy Curtus are at this very moment writing his defence! Roy will have his defence finished after his article on Man Utd!
Des was suggesting he was provoked, FFS it was a Carlow sideline ball and he would let go of the ball, what did he expect?
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
I'm sure Ciaran Brannigan isn't waking up this morning with chest pains from that, and didn't make a whole issue of it at the time, doubt it will be in the referees report.
Connoilly shouldn't have touched him and you could see the GAA making a point about physical contact with an official but it was a Dublin player so it'll be fine. Lord help any Antrim or Armagh lad who'd have done that....
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
The rule is very clear. Spillane told the truth. Is a pity as he didn't push him too hard but GAA can't run around nailing junior club players and counties like Antrim but let high profile players do what they like.
He has to be given a 12 week ban.
Not because it was a serious incident, but because that's the rule. Kieran McGeeney and Evan Commerford got the same ban - the rule can't be ignored because it's Diarmuid Connolly!
The length of suspension seems very harsh, so that could/should be looked at, but it can't be used to get Connolly off.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
Come on Bomber.
If a Tyrone man did that...
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
The rule is very clear. Spillane told the truth. Is a pity as he didn't push him too hard but GAA can't run around nailing junior club players and counties like Antrim but let high profile players do what they like.
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If he is banned I presume it will be put on hold till the long lengthy appeal and legal processes have been exhausted.
That should take till mid November and sure 3 months rest then would be just grand.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 05, 2017, 10:34:19 AM
He has to be given a 12 week ban.
Not because it was a serious incident, but because that's the rule. Kieran McGeeney and Evan Commerford got the same ban - the rule can't be ignored because it's Diarmuid Connolly!
The length of suspension seems very harsh, so that could/should be looked at, but it can't be used to get Connolly off.
I would agree, as harsh as it is the rule is very clear.
Luckily both Spillane and O'Rourke have no agendas and are speaking from a totally neutral point of view! :P ;)
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
As much as I admire Connolly as a footballer, he's definitely overstepped the line this time. I would love to see GAA match officials get the same respect rugby refs do. Connolly is a role model for young kids throughout the country he 100% needs to be banned.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
Orchestrated media attacks?
Lee Keegan got away with an awful lot before it was ever put under the microscope.
There's not much in the Connolly incident and I don't think it should be a ban but he has put himself in a precarious situation through no ones fault but his own.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
Orchestrated media attacks?
Lee Keegan got away with an awful lot before it was ever put under the microscope.
There's not much in the Connolly incident and I don't think it should be a ban but he has put himself in a precarious situation through no ones fault but his own.
If it was an isolated incident then maybe but they have absolutely no choice to make given the precedence set by current bans being served for the same infraction
Spillane was an embarrassment last night.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
Orchestrated media attacks?
Lee Keegan got away with an awful lot before it was ever put under the microscope.
There's not much in the Connolly incident and I don't think it should be a ban but he has put himself in a precarious situation through no ones fault but his own.
Yes! Whether it was deserved or not the Media attack by high profile Dublin Journalists, Commentators and former players on Keegan was Orchestrated. There were just too many of them saying the same thing at the same time for it not to be.
The Kerry media mafia (O'se x 2, Liston, Spillane, Gooch, etc) will move in with their Yerrah soft talk on this, while twisting the knife! In fairness Kerry have a solid media presence and this is a big help in influencing the authorities (not to mention the masses).
He wasnt throwing compliments at the linesman.
12 weeks it is
"Best player in the country"
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Spillane was an embarrassment last night.
For telling the truth?
Laying a hand on an official in a game is the equivalent of bitch slapping your mother, 12 weeks minimum in the doghouse.
But who can tell how this CCCC will react, they who went into frenzied persecution mode over a fuzzy phone cam video of some unidentified Antrim player vaguely doing something and lost the run of themselves, followed by a didn't see anything with Mattie Donnelly.
It is a win win situation for everyone apart from Dublin. If he rightly gets his ban they are without the greatest footballer of all time until the end of August while if he gets off then it will be another example of GAA favouritism to Dublin which will also wind them up no end.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
The rule is very clear. Spillane told the truth. Is a pity as he didn't push him too hard but GAA can't run around nailing junior club players and counties like Antrim but let high profile players do what they like.
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Photoshop.
Sorry you can't be done on photographic evidence : (
He put his hands on linesman and pushed him. It might not have being a strong push but push none the less. He needs to be suspended or it will then be seen ok to push officials gently. A debate will break out about an acceptable level of pushing towards officials.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 05, 2017, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
I'm sure Ciaran Brannigan isn't waking up this morning with chest pains from that, and didn't make a whole issue of it at the time, doubt it will be in the referees report.
Connoilly shouldn't have touched him and you could see the GAA making a point about physical contact with an official but it was a Dublin player so it'll be fine. Lord help any Antrim or Armagh lad who'd have done that....
Branagan (he's from Down.) He's not Joe McQuillan. Remember, Niall Cullen, referee for Armagh v Antrim whose report included a description of the verbal encounter between McGeeney and the linesman, did not include that a player hit him with the ball during a break in play, assault in anyone's book.
Connolly did push Branagan and was not politely asking him why he made that decision.
There will be no problem identifying him on the video. Check out from 0:25 to 0:28 to see him lay his hand on the linesman and then causing him to step backwards for two steps due to the pressure exerted while letting him know how much he disagreed with his decision. Then on 0:29 pointing to a fly that had landed on the linesman's nose.
https://youtu.be/90nsP6NuBA8 (https://youtu.be/90nsP6NuBA8)
Can't see why anyone would think Spillane was any more an embarrassment than usual because he highlighted this offence and was backed up O'Rourke. Only embarrassment was Cahill.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 05, 2017, 02:16:07 PM
He put his hands on linesman and pushed him. It might not have being a strong push but push none the less. He needs to be suspended or it will then be seen ok to push officials gently. A debate will break out about an acceptable level of pushing towards officials.
Exactly.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 05, 2017, 02:16:07 PM
He put his hands on linesman and pushed him. It might not have being a strong push but push none the less. He needs to be suspended or it will then be seen ok to push officials gently. A debate will break out about an acceptable level of pushing towards officials.
Dublin players have very little respect for referees but generally get away with it being in their faces (not all of their players but Connolly, McMahon, McCarthy and 1 or 2 others are bad for it). It is a bit of common trait amongst the successful counties so it obviously works for them.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 05, 2017, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 05, 2017, 02:16:07 PM
He put his hands on linesman and pushed him. It might not have being a strong push but push none the less. He needs to be suspended or it will then be seen ok to push officials gently. A debate will break out about an acceptable level of pushing towards officials.
Dublin players have very little respect for referees but generally get away with it being in their faces (not all of their players but Connolly, McMahon, McCarthy and 1 or 2 others are bad for it). It is a bit of common trait amongst the successful counties so it obviously works for them.
It depends on the referee report. Obviously the linesman didn't feel it necessary to draw the refs attention at the time so he mustn't have felt intimidated in any way.
In previous years he might have got away with it just because the lineman and ref didn't seem to be too bothered by it.
However, with the two other similar bans then if they ignore this one they leave themselves open for future incidents.
Things are bad enough with them not following the black card rules properly so they gotta make a stand.
I reckon Lee Keegan was on the sideline in a lollipop Carlow shirt and was sledging him all game.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
The rule is very clear. Spillane told the truth. Is a pity as he didn't push him too hard but GAA can't run around nailing junior club players and counties like Antrim but let high profile players do what they like.
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You have a one-dimensional brain
12 weeks. Easy case to deal with. Great opportunity for Dublin to manage themselves away from this unreliable player.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 05, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 05, 2017, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
I'm sure Ciaran Brannigan isn't waking up this morning with chest pains from that, and didn't make a whole issue of it at the time, doubt it will be in the referees report.
Connolly shouldn't have touched him and you could see the GAA making a point about physical contact with an official but it was a Dublin player so it'll be fine. Lord help any Antrim or Armagh lad who'd have done that....
Branagan (he's from Down.) He's not Joe McQuillan. Remember, Niall Cullen, referee for Armagh v Antrim whose report included a description of the verbal encounter between McGeeney and the linesman, did not include that a player hit him with the ball during a break in play, assault in anyone's book.
Connolly did push Branagan and was not politely asking him why he made that decision.
There will be no problem identifying him on the video. Check out from 0:25 to 0:28 to see him lay his hand on the linesman and then causing him to step backwards for two steps due to the pressure exerted while letting him know how much he disagreed with his decision. Then on 0:29 pointing to a fly that had landed on the linesman's nose.
https://youtu.be/90nsP6NuBA8 (https://youtu.be/90nsP6NuBA8)
Can't see why anyone would think Spillane was any more an embarrassment than usual because he highlighted this offence and was backed up O'Rourke. Only embarrassment was Cahill.
I know he's from Down as am I and I know plenty of Brannigans in and around the Hilltown area, not sure what point you're intending to make.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 05, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
12 weeks. Easy case to deal with. Great opportunity for Dublin to manage themselves away from this unreliable player.
Not easy at all. Video evidence can only be used when the referee or officials haven't dealt with the incident or didn't see it at the time. In this incident the officials did see it and didn't feel it was worthy of sanction. Therefore move along, nothing to be dealt with. There is no way a suspension would hold here as the officials have already dealt with the incident.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 05, 2017, 03:20:00 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 05, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 05, 2017, 10:26:37 AM
I'm sure Ciaran Brannigan
Branagan (he's from Down.)
I know he's from Down as am I and I know plenty of Brannigans in and around the Hilltown area, not sure what point you're intending to make.
Yep. He'd be a friend of those Brannigans too.
Another Tyrone referee bites the dust just when his career was gathering pace.As for the Down official he seems to attract controversy everywhere he goes.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
Exactly. Let him do his time. He has plenty form on and off the pitch. If he gets a suspension Dublin should forget about him and dont let it distract them
I wouldn't mind getting frustrated and lashing out against Mayo but Carlow ? ?
Reservoir Dubs turning on Pillar now for speaking the truth now. An amusing bank holiday Monday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=271173
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 05, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
Reservoir Dubs turning on Pillar now for speaking the truth now. An amusing bank holiday Monday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=271173
He's right, the Carlow lads did a lot of training and work all year and they'll get feck all. Connolly is in a game where the Dubs are winning well, if he cools the jets a bit then he has every prospect of a provincial and AI medal, something the Carlow lads will never get.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 05, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
Reservoir Dubs turning on Pillar now for speaking the truth now. An amusing bank holiday Monday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=271173
He's right, the Carlow lads did a lot of training and work all year and they'll get feck all. Connolly is in a game where the Dubs are winning well, if he cools the jets a bit then he has every prospect of a provincial and AI medal, something the Carlow lads will never get.
12 weeks is 12 weeks, there's no parole.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
An incident can only be revisited with video evidence if the officials haven't seen it. It can't be argued in this case that the officials didn't see it. They saw it, didn't think it amounted to anything worth a sanction therefore case closed. Even if he is suspended he will get off on appeal for the reasons I have given.
Quote from: lenny on June 05, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
An incident can only be revisited with video evidence if the officials haven't seen it. It can't be argued in this case that the officials didn't see it. They saw it, didn't think it amounted to anything worth a sanction therefore case closed. Even if he is suspended he will get off on appeal for the reasons I have given.
No. CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it.
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2017, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Spillane was an embarrassment last night.
For telling the truth?
Has Spillane commented on the Kerry player who failed a drugs test yet?
Quote from: Hardy on June 05, 2017, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 05, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
An incident can only be revisited with video evidence if the officials haven't seen it. It can't be argued in this case that the officials didn't see it. They saw it, didn't think it amounted to anything worth a sanction therefore case closed. Even if he is suspended he will get off on appeal for the reasons I have given.
No. CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it.
Yes that is true. How will it look if brannigan now says that the ref should have sent connolly off. It was an incident involving the linesman, he saw and felt the hand on his shoulder clearly. If he'd felt there was a need for sanctions he'd have said immediately. It's not like an incident he didn't see clearly or his view was obstructed. If this incident leads to a suspension it will clearly be overturned on appeal.
Ah a one game ban is enough, if even that. There's too much of a "now I got you you son of a bitch" culture in the GAA using video footage and animated GIFs, often out of context, to get players suspended for nonsense stuff. If someone is trying to break someone's leg or jaw I'd understand it but not the case here, just a bit of finger pointing really. We should want the best players competing over the Summer and not suspended for 3 months.
Quote from: Seamus on June 05, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It would be very harsh for Connolly to serve a ban for that. It was a nothing incident, if it was any other Dublin player bar McMahon there would be absolutely nothing made of it. Spillane's calls for a ban are absolutely embarrassing and pathetic but what else would you expect from a Kerry man.
The rule is very clear. Spillane told the truth. Is a pity as he didn't push him too hard but GAA can't run around nailing junior club players and counties like Antrim but let high profile players do what they like.
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You have a one-dimensional brain
That's Colm Cooper lifting the referees hand up. Is that not minor physical interference with a match official?
Nobody ever talks about the dark side to Gooch though, the yapping and whining at referees, the diving and exaggerating of contact. You're not allowed say anything bad about him without fear of national uproar over having the temerity to suggest he's anything other than how mainstream commentators portray him.
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
Ah a one game ban is enough, if even that. There's too much of a "now I got you you son of a bitch" culture in the GAA using video footage and animated GIFs, often out of context, to get players suspended for nonsense stuff. If someone is trying to break someone's leg or jaw I'd understand it but not the case here, just a bit of finger pointing really. We should want the best players competing over the Summer and not suspended for 3 months.
Agreed.
It this was any other Dublin player other than Connolly involved on Saturday, there would be absolutely nothing about this, his history goes before him.
Utterly idiotic by Connolly and he should be receiving a right ear bashing from his management over the stupidity of it but it doesn't warrant a 12 week suspension.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
Ah a one game ban is enough, if even that. There's too much of a "now I got you you son of a bitch" culture in the GAA using video footage and animated GIFs, often out of context, to get players suspended for nonsense stuff. If someone is trying to break someone's leg or jaw I'd understand it but not the case here, just a bit of finger pointing really. We should want the best players competing over the Summer and not suspended for 3 months.
What do we do with the rule & sanction then? Scrap it?
This is cut & dry. He's gone for 12 weeks.
It would be something if this rule was regularly and unilaterally enforced, instead it will probably be implemented with there's a bit of a media clamour and because it's Connolly that's why the hysteria is there.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:27:41 PM
Does it not be enforced? Do players get away with pushing officials?
They shouldn't.
I've seen players put there hands on match officials in the past and get away with it and without commentary too. If that had been Kilkenny, Brogan, McCaffrey or O'Sullivan yesterday it would not be commented on. It's only being commented on because it's Diarmuid Connolly and call me cynical but Pat Spillane, no more than Kevin McStay two years ago used his punditry position to kickstart an agenda yesterday.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:27:41 PM
Does it not be enforced? Do players get away with pushing officials?
They shouldn't.
The linesman obviously didn't feel it was a push, otherwise he would've brought it to the refs attention. As I said this incident has been already dealt with by the officials. It's not as if he's going to watch it again and suddenly say "oh connolly placed his hand on my shoulder there". He felt it and saw it at the time, if there was to be any sanction it should have been given at that time.
I'm glad nobody from Tyrone is involved
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:27:41 PM
Does it not be enforced? Do players get away with pushing officials?
They shouldn't.
I've seen players put there hands on match officials in the past and get away with it and without commentary too. If that had been Kilkenny, Brogan, McCaffrey or O'Sullivan yesterday it would not be commented on. It's only being commented on because it's Diarmuid Connolly and call me cynical but Pat Spillane, no more than Kevin McStay two years ago used his punditry position to kickstart an agenda yesterday.
Those players wouldn't have done it. Plus they haven't being cleared in dubious circumstances before.
Are you trying to say it's just a coincidence it's always the same player?
He physically pushes him backwards.
If somebody walked up to you and did that you'd get ready to start swinging or start running.
if you did that to a Garda its assault
27th of August is 12 weeks if he did get 12 Weeks. He'd be back to play the Ulster Champions in the AI semi final. Happy days!
It's very simple. If Connolly gets away then it is open season on officials. The Tipp lad, McGeeney etc will wonder where did they go wrong.
Connolly looked like a drunk being holdback by his mates outside the pub
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
Ah a one game ban is enough, if even that. There's too much of a "now I got you you son of a bitch" culture in the GAA using video footage and animated GIFs, often out of context, to get players suspended for nonsense stuff. If someone is trying to break someone's leg or jaw I'd understand it but not the case here, just a bit of finger pointing really. We should want the best players competing over the Summer and not suspended for 3 months.
Of course we want the best players, but just because they are good players doesn't mean they can act the maggot.
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Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
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Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
Orchestrated media attacks?
Lee Keegan got away with an awful lot before it was ever put under the microscope.
There's not much in the Connolly incident and I don't think it should be a ban but he has put himself in a precarious situation through no ones fault but his own.
It well known there was orchestrated campaign against Lee when one of Dublin backroom team rounded up ex Dublin players to have their say. It worked and cost us a All Ireland. Should be 6 month ban at least
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Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
Exactly. Let him do his time. He has plenty form on and off the pitch. If he gets a suspension Dublin should forget about him and dont let it distract them
+1
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
Luckily both Spillane and O'Rourke have no agendas and are speaking from a totally neutral point of view! :P ;)
Spillane near whipping out his dick and stroking it in delight live on air last night
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
Pillar seems to be part of the media conspiracy too.
QuoteHe's 30 years of age now. It's 10 years since he made his Dublin debut. Let's put it in context - Dublin are going to win this match one way or the other by 10-plus points and he's arguing over a line ball midway through the second-half.
He should have been sent off for putting his hand on the linesman. It's crazy, a total lack of discipline. I'd feel very strongly that he's let his teammates down.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-3-366491
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Does it not be enforced? Do players get away with pushing officials?
They shouldn't.
I've seen players put there hands on match officials in the past and get away with it and without commentary too. If that had been Kilkenny, Brogan, McCaffrey or O'Sullivan yesterday it would not be commented on. It's only being commented on because it's Diarmuid Connolly and call me cynical but Pat Spillane, no more than Kevin McStay two years ago used his punditry position to kickstart an agenda yesterday.
Those players wouldn't have done it. Plus they haven't being cleared in dubious circumstances before.
Are you trying to say it's just a coincidence it's always the same player?
I'm saying this incident is being completely overblown because of the person involved. Connolly has put himself in a precarious position through his own fault but I think his history is going before him.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
if you did that to a Garda its assault
If you did what Colm Cooper did to Coldrick that's assault too, why was there never any hysteria with what Cooper did?
Is it 12 weeks full a full push and 12 weeks for a shoulder pat?
I don't give a bollicks if it's Dermo, Leroy or Cillian there is something wrong with our game when we have x players and hard b**tards at that saying that this is some sort of big deal.
The spirit of our game has well and truly reached a new low.
A poster here correctly stated that if the ref hasn't dealt with it then move on.
The whole thing is pedantics. Micheal Cusack must be turning in his grave with the bitchfest codology that goes on these days.
My county colleague has failed in his duty by leaving this thread open. It will come back to haunt us.
Also is media campaign playing in midfield or full back these days?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
if you did that to a Garda its assault
If you did what Colm Cooper did to Coldrick that's assault too, why was there never any hysteria with what Cooper did?
Cooper's just checking Coldrick's watch to see how long is left.
Who gives a fück what Michael Cusack would think about it? He wouldn't be too happy with people playing foreign games or allowing gay referees and players either, would he?
I always laugh when Americans bring up their Founding Fathers' opinions as some sort of reason against change or some sort of shift in direction.
The dead don't have opinions nor do they have any clue what the world of today is like. My cat would be a better fountain of information than Cusack when it comes to the rights of wrongs of this one.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
if you did that to a Garda its assault
If you did what Colm Cooper did to Coldrick that's assault too, why was there never any hysteria with what Cooper did?
Cooper's just checking Coldrick's watch to see how long is left.
Connolly was just moving Brannagan out of the way of the scoreboard as he couldn't see it.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
if you did that to a Garda its assault
If you did what Colm Cooper did to Coldrick that's assault too, why was there never any hysteria with what Cooper did?
Cooper's just checking Coldrick's watch to see how long is left.
And at the same time, supporting Coldrick's arm so he could perform the traditional Ref's Salute that indicates he's the supreme authority on the pitch.
I think the GAA should abolish football altogether for a few months and send ye all to a few hurling matches. Tip tap, tip -tap and about a hundred hand passes, or one for every yard, to get the ball from one end of the field to the other. "Oh look, I say old boy, the gentleman in blue has just touched the official on the orm, I hope he is severely admonished and given his morching orders, Pass me the prawns."
Carlow had a plan, they prevented the Dubs from racking up a high score, unlike my own county against Kildare. Spillane and O'Rourke would have done more for football throughout the country if they had talked up Carlow's effort instead of taking time on national TV to assassinate Diarmuid. If ye can't take a few jostles and pushes in football and if a difference of opinion with a lineman (unless he is given a box in the mouth and landed on his back) results in a player that I would pay to see playing being given a three month ban then the GAA can have their seats as far as I would be concerned. In this case the lineman seems to be a real GAA man not interested in hanging a player out to dry over nothing. As for Spillane and O'Rourke? What do they want? The execution of another Connolly in Dublin that they can jeer at? Maybe I'll send them two fidget spinners to ease their nerves while they are waiting.
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Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
if you did that to a Garda its assault
If you did what Colm Cooper did to Coldrick that's assault too, why was there never any hysteria with what Cooper did?
Cooper's just checking Coldrick's watch to see how long is left.
And at the same time, supporting Coldrick's arm so he could perform the traditional Ref's Salute that indicates he's the supreme authority on the pitch.
Have you a video of the incident so we can see what context it's in?
Gaelic football will soon be a non contact sport. The truth is that the disciplinary system is managed by pundits in the Sunday Game studio who dictate by their reaction how incidenets are dealt with. Spillane and O'Rourke were in dreamland on Sunday night. Some lads need to grow up and lose the outrage and hysteria at what was a trivial enough incident, either that or just give Joe Duffy a ring to let of some steam. Connolly constantly seems to always be angry enough about something and is either as thick as two planks or just has a fuse shorter than ankle socks, but on this occasion I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
So they dealt with it by do nothing?
That's not dealing with it.
He's getting 12 weeks.
An incident can only be revisited with video evidence if the officials haven't seen it. It can't be argued in this case that the officials didn't see it. They saw it, didn't think it amounted to anything worth a sanction therefore case closed. Even if he is suspended he will get off on appeal for the reasons I have given.
No. CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it.
Yes that is true. How will it look if brannigan now says that the ref should have sent connolly off. It was an incident involving the linesman, he saw and felt the hand on his shoulder clearly. If he'd felt there was a need for sanctions he'd have said immediately. It's not like an incident he didn't see clearly or his view was obstructed. If this incident leads to a suspension it will clearly be overturned on appeal.
Dublin should not appeal and I doubt they would. Very like the Davy case, I think this will be agreed to.
"Have you a video of the incident so we can see what context it's in?"
There is nothing to see. That's the whole problem. Des Cahill posted up a video this morning on Twitter but now its gone. There are fellas on here that would make you think they are the Stephen Hawkins of the GAA and I think they watch games to try and find something to occupy their minds thinking about what will happen in the future. "He touched off his orm, he offended him, he definitely made slight contact and once you make contact - etc"
There were a few great points scored in that game by both teams and they never got a mention. Some of the comments about Diarmuid you would not come out with after eating a bag of magic mushrooms.
Is that Cooper photo not just a trick of the angle it was taken? Looks like he is remonstrating with Philly McMahon and nowhere near touching the ref
If he's gets 12 weeks is that just for intercounty football or can he still play with the club?
I think Connolly wanted out of the spotlight for the summer so he can avoid another summer of being targeted and so he will come back fresh for the semi final and final.
I heard something on the radio on Sunday Sport about how amateur the whole disciplinary process seems to be. They had someone on saying they are volunteers and the whole process sounded very haphazard and not ver well structured.
I am surprised how many are standing up for Connolly in this case. I don't think it's because of his past but that there is a clear law there saying the phrase minor infringement which is exactly what it was. Connolly clearly shows a lack of respect and discipline towards the linesman which is what the rule was brought in to do. He clearly pushes him and points his finger towards his face. To not charge him will basically leave that rule weak and easily challenged in the future.
If Connolly doesn't get the 12 week suspension as per the rule, there will never be any respect for officials!
I really can't understand how anyone can defend him on this?
It's not the most serious offence in the world and obviously nobody was injured, but why do we have a rule book at all if we are not going to apply the rules that are in it?
I don't understand lads equating interfering with an official being out of order, and then 'taking the physicality out of the game'. Are the refs and umpires and linesmen supposed to be fair game, or just gentle shoulders or pushes are ok? Why is it that making it completely out of order to push an official is being seen as attacking the physicality of the game?
I hate the easy comparison, but I'm going to use it. Rugby is *the* most physical game played in this part of the world. If Peter O'Mahoney got thick at a decision and pushed a sideline official, and then stuck his finger in his face while giving out to him, do you think he wouldn't be suspended?
I'm all for physicality in the game, between the players, but you can't start soft soaping interference with referees and linesmen. There's a reason why the rule is there. And in the spirit of the rule, not only the wording of it, we had a player losing his temper and pushing an official. That has to be punished.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2017, 11:10:42 AM
I don't understand lads equating interfering with an official being out of order, and then 'taking the physicality out of the game'. Are the refs and umpires and linesmen supposed to be fair game, or just gentle shoulders or pushes are ok? Why is it that making it completely out of order to push an official is being seen as attacking the physicality of the game?
I hate the easy comparison, but I'm going to use it. Rugby is *the* most physical game played in this part of the world. If Peter O'Mahoney got thick at a decision and pushed a sideline official, and then stuck his finger in his face while giving out to him, do you think he wouldn't be suspended?
I'm all for physicality in the game, between the players, but you can't start soft soaping interference with referees and linesmen. There's a reason why the rule is there. And in the spirit of the rule, not only the wording of it, we had a player losing his temper and pushing an official. That has to be punished.
+2
This rule is one of the few in the GAA that actually makes sense.
Quote from: westbound on June 06, 2017, 11:08:45 AM
If Connolly doesn't get the 12 week suspension as per the rule, there will never be any respect for officials!
I really can't understand how anyone can defend him on this?
It's not the most serious offence in the world and obviously nobody was injured, but why do we have a rule book at all if we are not going to apply the rules that are in it?
100% no point bringing youngsters to watch players getting away with this shite
I think it's all tactical by the Dubs.
They know they don't need Connolly until the semifinal stage and it will keep him away from the limelight until he's really needed.
Less chance of him getting a suspension then to keep him out of the final. Very clever from the Dubs.
I wonder could we give him to the hurlers (swap for Schutte!) if gets suspended
Quote from: Hound on June 06, 2017, 12:47:49 PM
I wonder could we give him to the hurlers (swap for Schutte!) if gets suspended
Pretty sure giving Connolly a stick and asking him to hit things isn't a smart idea.
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 02:56:21 PM
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Imagine Brolly being contrarian? He's always on about his U16s or whatever, how does he square that circle?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2017, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 02:56:21 PM
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Imagine Brolly being contrarian? He's always on about his U16s or whatever, how does he square that circle?
His point is that the linesman and, by extension, the referee knew about the incident at the time. Therefore the incident has been adjudicated on and the CCCC can't get involved. That's what I took from it anyway.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 02:56:21 PM
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Imagine Brolly being contrarian? He's always on about his U16s or whatever, how does he square that circle?
His point is that the linesman and, by extension, the referee knew about the incident at the time. Therefore the incident has been adjudicated on and the CCCC can't get involved. That's what I took from it anyway.
Which, if taken in isolation, is totally correct. However it is a bit ironic since I'm fairly sure that there have been several instances of trial by TV over the years where suspensions have been handed down after pundits highlighted and blew up incidents.
It's no coincidence that a Kerry man and a Meath man were the 2 pundits calling for a 12 week suspension. On the other hand I never heard Spillane comment yet on the failed drugs test. It's agenda based commentary to suit their own needs. I'd say Brolly is just being contrary now to try and wind up Spillane. Every year, there is a growing circus with pundits and it is like a sideshow to the championship, particularly in the early rounds when nothing much is happening on the field, to see which of them can be the most outspoken or controversial.
Sorry if this has already been asked/pointed out.
Say Connolly does get banned surely its from the point of the disciplinary meeting cause as it stands hes still eligible to play at the moment?
If Brolly says he will get off then he probably will seeing as Brolly is a Barrister by trade. Yet again we're talking about loopholes im the disciplinary procedure. This is every summer in recent years. Why not get someone qualified in legalities to reword the procedure to eliminate these loopholes. And how would Pat Spillane comment on drug testing when he's way out of touch. FFS DJ Carey said players should just eat fruit.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
Gaelic football will soon be a non contact sport. The truth is that the disciplinary system is managed by pundits in the Sunday Game studio who dictate by their reaction how incidenets are dealt with. Spillane and O'Rourke were in dreamland on Sunday night. Some lads need to grow up and lose the outrage and hysteria at what was a trivial enough incident, either that or just give Joe Duffy a ring to let of some steam. Connolly constantly seems to always be angry enough about something and is either as thick as two planks or just has a fuse shorter than ankle socks, but on this occasion I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill.
Gaelic football is non contact. By the rules, the only contact you can legally make it with a shoulder charge. Any other contact with the ball carrier is a foul.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 06, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
If Brolly says he will get off then he probably will seeing as Brolly is a Barrister by trade. Yet again we're talking about loopholes im the disciplinary procedure. This is every summer in recent years. Why not get someone qualified in legalities to reword the procedure to eliminate these loopholes. And how would Pat Spillane comment on drug testing when he's way out of touch. FFS DJ Carey said players should just eat fruit.
Out of touch with what? I'm not sure what you think he is out of touch with but it has never stopped him offering an opinion before.
Sure they still haven't tried to fix the loophole in the black card rule, that is if they even realise how ambiguous it is.Embarassing how the GAA is governed, everybody has an agenda and usually it involves bettering themselves and themselves only.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 06, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
If Brolly says he will get off then he probably will seeing as Brolly is a Barrister by trade. Yet again we're talking about loopholes im the disciplinary procedure. This is every summer in recent years. Why not get someone qualified in legalities to reword the procedure to eliminate these loopholes. And how would Pat Spillane comment on drug testing when he's way out of touch. FFS DJ Carey said players should just eat fruit.
Out of touch with what? I'm not sure what you think he is out of touch with but it has never stopped him offering an opinion before.
In this case it would be modern conditioning but also modern football. Any defensive strategy is simply referred to as the blanket regardless of what the set up is.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2017, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 02:56:21 PM
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Imagine Brolly being contrarian? He's always on about his U16s or whatever, how does he square that circle?
His point is that the linesman and, by extension, the referee knew about the incident at the time. Therefore the incident has been adjudicated on and the CCCC can't get involved. That's what I took from it anyway.
Which, if taken in isolation, is totally correct. However it is a bit ironic since I'm fairly sure that there have been several instances of trial by TV over the years where suspensions have been handed down after pundits highlighted and blew up incidents.
It's no coincidence that a Kerry man and a Meath man were the 2 pundits calling for a 12 week suspension. On the other hand I never heard Spillane comment yet on the failed drugs test. It's agenda based commentary to suit their own needs. I'd say Brolly is just being contrary now to try and wind up Spillane. Every year, there is a growing circus with pundits and it is like a sideshow to the championship, particularly in the early rounds when nothing much is happening on the field, to see which of them can be the most outspoken or controversial.
What would Paul Caffreys agenda for saying Connolly should get a 12 week ban?
Is it only people whose opinion is different than yours that have an agenda?
Maybe some of us just think what he did was wrong and he should suffer the consequences..
Quote from: Boycey on June 06, 2017, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2017, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 06, 2017, 02:56:21 PM
Brolly giving an alternative view of it all on twitter.
Imagine Brolly being contrarian? He's always on about his U16s or whatever, how does he square that circle?
His point is that the linesman and, by extension, the referee knew about the incident at the time. Therefore the incident has been adjudicated on and the CCCC can't get involved. That's what I took from it anyway.
Which, if taken in isolation, is totally correct. However it is a bit ironic since I'm fairly sure that there have been several instances of trial by TV over the years where suspensions have been handed down after pundits highlighted and blew up incidents.
It's no coincidence that a Kerry man and a Meath man were the 2 pundits calling for a 12 week suspension. On the other hand I never heard Spillane comment yet on the failed drugs test. It's agenda based commentary to suit their own needs. I'd say Brolly is just being contrary now to try and wind up Spillane. Every year, there is a growing circus with pundits and it is like a sideshow to the championship, particularly in the early rounds when nothing much is happening on the field, to see which of them can be the most outspoken or controversial.
What would Paul Caffreys agenda for saying Connolly should get a 12 week ban?
Is it only people whose opinion is different than yours that have an agenda?
Maybe some of us just think what he did was wrong and he should suffer the consequences..
His agenda is that he gets remunerated to write newspaper articles for the Daily Mirror. Controversy sells and Caffrey has stirred debate which is what a lot of these pundits do. Look at pundits like Bernard Flynn, Brolly and Parkinson, they know what buttons to push to keep themselves relevant in order to hoover up the media work.
Been reported he got 12 weeks, won't be back until All Ireland semi-final. Echoes of Paul Galvin
Quote from: longballin on June 06, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
Been reported he got 12 weeks, won't be back until All Ireland semi-final. Echoes of Paul Galvin
Nothing on Babestation - I've just, ahem, checked
Quote from: longballin on June 06, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
Been reported he got 12 weeks, won't be back until All Ireland semi-final. Echoes of Paul Galvin
Dublin barristers on the way
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Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
Victory for common sense.
It won't stick.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 06:23:01 PM
Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
Pat Spillane must be wanked out of it after his performance sunday night on TSG
The bookie odds on how many weeks Connolly will serve will be interesting.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 06:23:01 PM
Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
If it's in ref report he saw so won't stick.
Anyway... he's not that kind of player.
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Quote from: longballin on June 06, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
Been reported he got 12 weeks, won't be back until All Ireland semi-final. Echoes of Paul Galvin
Dublin barristers on the way
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No sh*t, considering the lengths they went to two years ago.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 06:23:01 PM
Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
Can the linesman not bring it to his attention after the game?
Quick question : if the ref had sent him off at the time, would he still be given a 12 week ban ?
Quote from: ballinaman on June 06, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Quick question : if the ref had sent him off at the time, would he still be given a 12 week ban ?
Pat Spilanne compared Connolly incident to Evan Comerford. Yet again Spillane talking rubbish. Evan Comerford got a straight red during the game from Paddy Russell so he had no complaints. Why the linesman/ref didn't deal with straight away is beyond me.
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Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
Can the linesman not bring it to his attention after the game?
It seems totally implausible that he would wait until after the match if he seen it at the time. Unless he is totally incompetent. Yet that is exactly what has happened. It's highly suspicious in terms of undue influence being exerted on match officials from outside sources in an attempt to make a suspension stick.
Quote from: dublin7 on June 06, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 06, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Quick question : if the ref had sent him off at the time, would he still be given a 12 week ban ?
Pat Spilanne compared Connolly incident to Evan Comerford. Yet again Spillane talking rubbish. Evan Comerford got a straight red during the game from Paddy Russell so he had no complaints. Why the linesman/ref didn't deal with straight away is beyond me.
I don't think Spillane even knows who Evan Comerford is?
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Quote from: whitey on June 06, 2017, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2017, 06:23:01 PM
Victory for media pundits and those expressing faux outrage. The referee presumably had it in his report. Which begs the question why didn't the linesman tell the referee at the time and give him a red card or was he influenced by the reaction on the Sunday Game afterwards.
Can the linesman not bring it to his attention after the game?
It seems totally implausible that he would wait until after the match if he seen it at the time. Unless he is totally incompetent. Yet that is exactly what has happened. It's highly suspicious in terms of undue influence being exerted on match officials from outside sources in an attempt to make a suspension stick.
It's very similar to McGeeney. However I'd imagine Dublin's legal team is more expensive and better.
A lot of people in Down would be happy if Poacher the Carlow coach got 12 weeks as well !!!!
We've spoke enough about him. He's been handed down a 12 week ban. Close/lock the thread.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
We've spoke enough about him. He's been handed down a 12 week ban. Close/lock the thread.
Is it not just a proposed ban? What does that even mean anyway
Quote from: ballinaman on June 06, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Quick question : if the ref had sent him off at the time, would he still be given a 12 week ban ?
Of course he can be given the 12 weeks ban, even if the ref had given him the red card at the time, 12 weeks is the minimum penalty for the offense. The ref can't give him the 12 weeks ban on the pitch.
Connolly was fortunate to only get the minimum12 weeks.
https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/871091238480609280 (https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/871091238480609280)
Regardless of Connolly... I think 12 weeks for physical altercations (in any way shape or form) is nowhere near enough.
Without referees, we have no games. Its hard enough to find any to referee, never mind good 'uns.
Ciaran Brannigan was relatively well protected in this match, there were a cadre of stewards and Gardai about, so it'd be easy for the pundits to pontificate on a big ban saying its unnecessary. But - it sets a low bar -for club games where the referee is all on his own, no other officials in sight and at the mercy of the footballers on the pitch. The referees need to know the association has their back and players/clubs will be so scared of the punishment that they are squeaky clean.
IMO, touch an official and you should be looking at 12 months. No questions asked.
Quote from: Main Street on June 06, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 06, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Quick question : if the ref had sent him off at the time, would he still be given a 12 week ban ?
Of course he can be given the 12 weeks ban, even if the ref had given him the red card at the time, 12 weeks is the minimum penalty for the offense. The ref can't give him the 12 weeks ban on the pitch.
Connolly was fortunate to only get the minimum12 weeks.
https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/871091238480609280 (https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/871091238480609280)
Sound for that,
The way some journalists and people are banging on about the ref and linesman should have dealt with it at the time and it would be over then....
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Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
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Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The FACT is you have lost however many AI Finals because you weren't good enough.
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Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The fact that ye had no forwards had nothing to with it I suppose
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The FACT is you have lost however many AI Finals because you weren't good enough.
Not helped by media campaigns
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Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The fact that ye had no forwards had nothing to with it I suppose
That just a myth Cillian o'Connor, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin and Andy Moran. i would rather have them than Diarmuid Connelly
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
We've spoke enough about him. He's been handed down a 12 week ban. Close/lock the thread.
It'll obviously be overturned because video evidence can only be used when the officials have missed the offence. Connolly will be playing in the next dublin match.
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
Do you think McGeeney deserved 12 weeks?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 05, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The FACT is you have lost however many AI Finals because you weren't good enough.
Not helped by media campaigns
There's no talking to you is there. If it was a one off you may have a point. It's not a one off. There is a mental weakness in Mayo. That along with not being good enough are the reasons you haven't won the AI
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
Do you think McGeeney deserved 12 weeks?
It's not been disclosed what McGeeney is alleged to have done as far as I'm aware.
If the referee and linesman involved took no action during the game - and surely at least one of them was aware of it - then I cannot see how a ban will not be overturned. During the game they decided no sanction was needed.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
The difference is keegan and keane done nothing.how connolly got off punching keegan was a disgrace.had the cheek to say was been choked
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
The difference is keegan and keane done nothing.how connolly got off punching keegan was a disgrace.had the cheek to say was been choked
They both committed red card offences but as you're just a poor caricature effort at a Mayo fan with no subtleties I won't engage much further.
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
Do you think McGeeney deserved 12 weeks?
It's not been disclosed what McGeeney is alleged to have done as far as I'm aware.
Fair point but it's pretty much accepted that he said something to mcquillan. Do you think he deserved a 12 week ban for that
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Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Ah FFS M4S no need for this shit. This isn't us. Pull this thread. Known some of our lads We will have our our own discipline to deal with before the season is over.
The incident itself was not an infringement of the rules when common sense is applied. He patted the linesman.
Was it the Paul Galvin incident back in the day that caused the wording in this rule?
Mayo's shouldn't stoop to the level of Spillane and O'Rourke, I thought that was a contrived attack on the lad by them last night and criminalising the lad before he gets a hearing. Some pair of gobdaws.
I'm sorry but there is need for this. For two All-Irelands we've been the victim of an orchestrated media attack before we ever did a thing.
Here is a high profile opponent that has clearly broken the rules. Whether the punishment is harsh or not doesn't change the offence.
And its not because its Connolly in particular, if it was a Galway lad I'd be looking for the same thing
+1
Media campaigns cost us 2 All Irelands in 2012 and last year. Our lads should have 2 All Ireland medals in their pockets. My opinion Connolly should be suspended for 6 months. GAA need to make an example of him.
Nonsense. Not being good enough cost you all irelands you idiot. Just when you think you might want mayo to win one someone like you comes along
That a fact fact tom. Maurcie Deegan cost us a All Ireland final last year. hopefully we get a fair referee this year
The fact that ye had no forwards had nothing to with it I suppose
That just a myth Cillian o'Connor, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin and Andy Moran. i would rather have them than Diarmuid Connelly
How many Mayo defenders got All Stars last year?
Now how many Mayo midfielders and forwards got All Stars last year?
See where the problem is and if you think any Mayo forward is better than Connolly than you really should take up watching cricket or chess
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 06, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Dublin have a great record in getting their man off the hook and they've been fairly shameless in the type of incident they can wriggle out of.
Expect Connolly to beat this charge..
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
By the letter of the law and through his own stupidity, Connolly has got himself in this situation. I don't think it was a big deal though, it was a nothing incident in reality and only for it was Connolly who committed it there wouldn't have even been any commentary about it.
Do you think McGeeney deserved 12 weeks?
It's not been disclosed what McGeeney is alleged to have done as far as I'm aware.
Fair point but it's pretty much accepted that he said something to mcquillan. Do you think he deserved a 12 week ban for that
Well we don't know what McGeeney did, it would depend on what he did or said.
I think it can be quite easy to lose the run of yourself on the line over a decision. When you look at the leeway the likes of Davy Fitzgerald and Brian Cody have got down through the years then it would seem harsh but I know absolutely nothing of what McGeeney did.
The main problem is the GAA are extremely bad at nipping these things in the bud. They may have rules in place but they don't enact them consistently so it's unfair when there is some sort of media driven singling out of an individual to be punished under a rule rarely enacted.
You look at the diving/simulation part of it. In the past few years we have had plenty of incidents to varying degrees - Shields, McCann, Philly McMahon, Aidan O'Shea, Mark Anthony McGinley, Michael Lundy, Rory Beggan etc. The GAA have had ample time to enact some rule that puts say a two match ban on players found guilty of diving or simulation. Instead they tried to put a trumped up charge on McCann due to media pressure and have done nothing at all in the subsequent events. It's a mess. The McCann incident was very high profile and caused a lot of hysteria, it was from then on, the GAA should have brought the rule in and publically communicated that it would be severly clamped down upon.
Likewise with the incidents involving match officials. After the Davy Fitz incident this year, that's when the GAA should have been extremely vocal on where they stand on this. Instead McGeeney was suspended for some incident pre-dating that and Connolly now seems to be in bother.
In reality I think the Connolly shove is a nothing incident, the ref should speak to him and tell him to settle down. However, by the letter of the law it was probably is a 12 week ban. But letter of the law means very little in GAA precedent - you look at the overturning of Connolly's red card against Donegal in 2011, Lee Keegan's red card against Kerry in 2014 - both quite harsh but foolish acts by the players that by the letter of the law are red card offences. Then you have even more preposterous successful appeals like Kevin Keane's in 2015.
There is no equality with the GAA disciplinary procedure.
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Quote from: lenny on June 06, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
We've spoke enough about him. He's been handed down a 12 week ban. Close/lock the thread.
It'll obviously be overturned because video evidence can only be used when the officials have missed the offence. Connolly will be playing in the next dublin match.
It has been mentioned before in the thread that the CCCC can refer the incident back to the officials for another opinion.
It's called the Nice referendum precedent.
What's the wording of the rule relating to whether a ref sees an incident but decides it's not worthy of a sanction??
@tonto, you're arguing with a troll, have a look at a few of his posts/threads ffs
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Jez the moral police are out in full swing this evening! Luckily Tyrone set the bar high in Moral standards on the pitch otherwise you would not be able to throw so many stones!
Bernard Flynn says the officials should get punished for not dealing with the incident involving Diarmuid.
What's Bernard smoking these days ?.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 12:08:34 AM
What's the wording of the rule relating to whether a ref sees an incident but decides it's not worthy of a sanction??
@tonto, you're arguing with a troll, have a look at a few of his posts/threads ffs
Read GAA Official Guide part 1
rule 7.3 Procedures for Disciplinary and Related Hearings
Initiation of Disciplinary Action
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
Keane's certainly wasn't. He didn't strike his man.
Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Connolly thought he spotted a potential contaminant on Brannigan's uniform, he was only looking out for him.
Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
O'Connor has form for abusing officials verbally over the years likewise Donaghy. Always in referee ear or running to a linesman however none of them have done what Connolly done on Saturday.
Quote from: longballin on June 07, 2017, 09:46:45 AM
Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Exactly. I'm a Dub. DC deserves to be suspended for 12 weeks. Can't see county board appealing this. Time to be move on.
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
Diarmuid Connolly has played a big part in our success over the years and has contributed in all big games for Dublin and his club St Vincents. His game is not about scoring 1-5. He is a play maker and his game is roaming around the field getting on the ball setting up scores. When he left panel in 2010 he came back a year later a better and more composed player and become one of the top players in the country. As for the 2 points in 3 games. He had a poor game against Carlow however he done well to score 2 points against Mayo considering he was been well marked/held off the ball, don't forget the winning penalty which showed great bottle. DC knows at this stage he's a marked man so stupid of him to become involved in antics with his markers and worse getting involved with match officials. Connolly showed his genius kicking the insurance point against Kerry last year. Hopefully he will come back a stronger, more mature player and we can talk about his football skills for a change :)
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 07, 2017, 09:46:45 AM
Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Exactly. I'm a Dub. DC deserves to be suspended for 12 weeks. Can't see county board appealing this. Time to be move on.
I think you're right. This will be accepted and Dublin will move on. They don't need Connolly until August anyway (if at all), they'll sail through the games up to that. Appealing a decision involving aggression towards an official would send out the wrong message.....not least to officials. Discretion will be the better part of valour here I'd guess.
I totally agree magpie & Gael85. Dublin know they can get to the semifinal stage pretty easily without Connolly and so they can take this on the chin. Jim Gavin is always trying to portray this clean Dublin image so it would benefit them more if they take their punishment this time.
At least it is unlikely they will be meeting Mayo in that semi final when he does come back.
Can he still play club football?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
I totally agree magpie & Gael85. Dublin know they can get to the semifinal stage pretty easily without Connolly and so they can take this on the chin. Jim Gavin is always trying to portray this clean Dublin image so it would benefit them more if they take their punishment this time.
At least it is unlikely they will be meeting Mayo in that semi final when he does come back.
Can he still play club football?
No I think 3 month bans include club action.
Quote from: five points on June 07, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Have Mayo not done the same in recent years? They had Keegan and Kevin Keane's bans overturned when they were clear as day red card offences.
Keane's certainly wasn't. He didn't strike his man.
He clearly did, in the face. It was as blatant a red card as you will see.
Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
Is roaring in the referees face and aggressively gesticulating and motioning to him after he has made a decision or about to, showing the referee respect?
Mayo are certainly the most guilty county with it comes to attempting to put undue pressure on match officials. It's about time referees clamped down on Cillian O'Connor trying to referee games.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 07, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
I totally agree magpie & Gael85. Dublin know they can get to the semifinal stage pretty easily without Connolly and so they can take this on the chin. Jim Gavin is always trying to portray this clean Dublin image so it would benefit them more if they take their punishment this time.
At least it is unlikely they will be meeting Mayo in that semi final when he does come back.
Can he still play club football?
No I think 3 month bans include club action.
To clarify - a suspension for this type of infraction (Category V) applies to all codes and all levels so he couldn't play football or hurling at any level.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 07, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 07, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 06, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 06, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
Is roaring in the referees face and aggressively gesticulating and motioning to him after he has made a decision or about to, showing the referee respect?
Mayo are certainly the most guilty county with it comes to attempting to put undue pressure on match officials. It's about time referees clamped down on Cillian O'Connor trying to referee games.
When did Cillian referee a game? News to me
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 07, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 07, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
I totally agree magpie & Gael85. Dublin know they can get to the semifinal stage pretty easily without Connolly and so they can take this on the chin. Jim Gavin is always trying to portray this clean Dublin image so it would benefit them more if they take their punishment this time.
At least it is unlikely they will be meeting Mayo in that semi final when he does come back.
Can he still play club football?
No I think 3 month bans include club action.
To clarify - a suspension for this type of infraction (Category V) applies to all codes and all levels so he couldn't play football or hurling at any level.
and banned from training with Dublin too?
If it was the other way around ie. a Carlow player done the exact same thing, same match etc. would he deserve 12 weeks? I think he would
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 07, 2017, 12:46:55 PM
If it was the other way around ie. a Carlow player done the exact same thing, same match etc. would he deserve 12 weeks? I think he would
Did Brendan Murphy get cited for abusing Brannigan too?
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 07, 2017, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 07, 2017, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 07, 2017, 09:46:45 AM
Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Exactly. I'm a Dub. DC deserves to be suspended for 12 weeks. Can't see county board appealing this. Time to be move on.
I think you're right. This will be accepted and Dublin will move on. They don't need Connolly until August anyway (if at all), they'll sail through the games up to that. Appealing a decision involving aggression towards an official would send out the wrong message.....not least to officials. Discretion will be the better part of valour here I'd guess.
If he'd been red carded during the game, there would be no question of an appeal for this. Just like the recent Philly McMahon suspension was accepted.
But the way it's been handled leaves a bit of a bad taste in my opinion.
Everyone agrees that the hand on shoulder was minimal contact, but also that it techncially can result in a red card and 12 week ban. It's similar to swearing abuse at an official. And likewise it's up to the official to decide to let it go as heat of moment / no menance, maybe give a verbal warning not to do it again - or to decide that this is serious enough to warrant punishment.
(Incidentally, in my view the finger pointing close to the face was a lot worse, but its the more trivial "hand on shoulder" that's causing the ban.)
Branagan clearly decided immediately that this was "nothing". This is a linesman who has no fear about bringing incidents to a ref's attention (unlike some who try to keep their involvement to a minimum). He's clearly not intimidated by Connolly during the incident (the calmest person on the line by a huge distance!) and hearing Marty Clarke talk about him, he's seems to be a very confident in himself type.
Not long afterwards he called the ref over to get Brendan Murphy his second yellow card for an incident the ref had not seen (he also did similar in the league final).
In my view, Branagan decided this was an incident that did not deserve a card (there have been many similar instances in recent years of a player grabbing a ref to get his attention - pictures easily found of O'Connor, Gooch, Donaghy, McMahon and presumably many more, and the ref letting it go as trivial). But something between the end of the game and the ref's report being finalised changed the mind of Branagan. I think Dublin should (try to) find out the truth about what that was and then decide whether it warrants further appeal.
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
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Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
Is roaring in the referees face and aggressively gesticulating and motioning to him after he has made a decision or about to, showing the referee respect?
Mayo are certainly the most guilty county with it comes to attempting to put undue pressure on match officials. It's about time referees clamped down on Cillian O'Connor trying to referee games.
When did Cillian referee a game? News to me
Think he refereed a recent Hollymount Game! You of all people should know that!
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
How can you punch someone when holding their jersey. Keane is probably 13 or 14 stone so unless his jersey was made of spandex it would be scientifically impossible to punch him.
Keane struck Murphy, it was a red card offence all day long and should never have been overturned. Seeing Mayo people deny the blatantly obvious tells you what you're dealing with. Some even claim O'Shea never dived against Feemanagh last year.
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
How can you punch someone when holding their jersey. Keane is probably 13 or 14 stone so unless his jersey was made of spandex it would be scientifically impossible to punch him.
Keane struck Murphy, it was a red card offence all day long and should never have been overturned. Seeing Mayo people deny the blatantly obvious tells you what you're dealing with. Some even claim O'Shea never dived against Feemanagh last year.
Of course Keane hit him. I am all for him getting a retrospective year ban.
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What's the wording of the rule relating to whether a ref sees an incident but decides it's not worthy of a sanction??
@tonto, you're arguing with a troll, have a look at a few of his posts/threads ffs
Read GAA Official Guide part 1
rule 7.3 Procedures for Disciplinary and Related Hearings
Initiation of Disciplinary Action
Cheers main street
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
How can you punch someone when holding their jersey. Keane is probably 13 or 14 stone so unless his jersey was made of spandex it would be scientifically impossible to punch him.
Keane struck Murphy, it was a red card offence all day long and should never have been overturned. Seeing Mayo people deny the blatantly obvious tells you what you're dealing with. Some even claim O'Shea never dived against Feemanagh last year.
Of course Keane hit him. I am all for him getting a retrospective year ban.
Nobody is talking about a year ban. Some of your own just have problems recognising indiscretions due to the jersey worn.
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
How can you punch someone when holding their jersey. Keane is probably 13 or 14 stone so unless his jersey was made of spandex it would be scientifically impossible to punch him.
Keane struck Murphy, it was a red card offence all day long and should never have been overturned. Seeing Mayo people deny the blatantly obvious tells you what you're dealing with. Some even claim O'Shea never dived against Feemanagh last year.
Of course Keane hit him. I am all for him getting a retrospective year ban.
Nobody is talking about a year ban. Some of your own just have problems recognising indiscretions due to the jersey worn.
Who is not recognising indiscretions due to the Jersey worn? Name and Shame.
He didn't strike him in the face. Anyway, he should have pointed to the scoreboard instead of shoving him away.
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Keane didn't strike Murphy though apparently.
Nice disguised Jersey hold-Punch from Murphy as well! We will just ignore that! I think you are right about Keane he should serve a year ban for that clip! Starting from the beginning of the this championship!
How can you punch someone when holding their jersey. Keane is probably 13 or 14 stone so unless his jersey was made of spandex it would be scientifically impossible to punch him.
Keane struck Murphy, it was a red card offence all day long and should never have been overturned. Seeing Mayo people deny the blatantly obvious tells you what you're dealing with. Some even claim O'Shea never dived against Feemanagh last year.
Of course Keane hit him. I am all for him getting a retrospective year ban.
Nobody is talking about a year ban. Some of your own just have problems recognising indiscretions due to the jersey worn.
Who is not recognising indiscretions due to the Jersey worn? Name and Shame.
Five Points is one anyway.
Farrandeelin another one just there.
What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
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What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
He did.
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What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
He did.
It looks like he struck him in the chest. As I said he should have showed him the scoreboard.
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What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
He did.
It looks like he struck him in the chest. As I said he should have showed him the scoreboard.
You do know that a strike is a red card offence regardless of what part of the body you strike, right?
In fact attempted striking is a red card offence.
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What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
He did.
It looks like he struck him in the chest. As I said he should have showed him the scoreboard.
So he struck him?
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What did I not recognise? You can clearly see Murphy's hand blocked his face. If he did strike him in the face I would be the first to condemn it.
He did.
It looks like he struck him in the chest. As I said he should have showed him the scoreboard.
So he struck him?
Yes. He did. Not in the face as you said earlier.
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Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Exactly. I'm a Dub. DC deserves to be suspended for 12 weeks. Can't see county board appealing this. Time to be move on.
I think you're right. This will be accepted and Dublin will move on. They don't need Connolly until August anyway (if at all), they'll sail through the games up to that. Appealing a decision involving aggression towards an official would send out the wrong message.....not least to officials. Discretion will be the better part of valour here I'd guess.
If he'd been red carded during the game, there would be no question of an appeal for this. Just like the recent Philly McMahon suspension was accepted.
But the way it's been handled leaves a bit of a bad taste in my opinion.
Everyone agrees that the hand on shoulder was minimal contact, but also that it techncially can result in a red card and 12 week ban. It's similar to swearing abuse at an official. And likewise it's up to the official to decide to let it go as heat of moment / no menance, maybe give a verbal warning not to do it again - or to decide that this is serious enough to warrant punishment.
(Incidentally, in my view the finger pointing close to the face was a lot worse, but its the more trivial "hand on shoulder" that's causing the ban.)
Branagan clearly decided immediately that this was "nothing". This is a linesman who has no fear about bringing incidents to a ref's attention (unlike some who try to keep their involvement to a minimum). He's clearly not intimidated by Connolly during the incident (the calmest person on the line by a huge distance!) and hearing Marty Clarke talk about him, he's seems to be a very confident in himself type.
Not long afterwards he called the ref over to get Brendan Murphy his second yellow card for an incident the ref had not seen (he also did similar in the league final).
In my view, Branagan decided this was an incident that did not deserve a card (there have been many similar instances in recent years of a player grabbing a ref to get his attention - pictures easily found of O'Connor, Gooch, Donaghy, McMahon and presumably many more, and the ref letting it go as trivial). But something between the end of the game and the ref's report being finalised changed the mind of Branagan. I think Dublin should (try to) find out the truth about what that was and then decide whether it warrants further appeal.
Hound, "the mind of Branagan" or his opinion of the incident have absolutely no bearing on the decision. The linesman or his opinion have no function in the matter. The only time the linesman's opinion comes into a decision, even one where he himself is assaulted, is if he considers a foul has been committed, whereupon he may call the referee's attention to it.
If he didn't consider it a breach of the rule, he was wrong. But neither that nor the fact that he didn't react as if he felt threatened are material to the determination of whether the rule, as written down, was infringed. It was.
What was Keane to do in that situation though? Murphy is in the process of assaulting him and he is simply defending himself.
As for that video clip, it is not clear if Keane strikes Murphy.
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What was Keane to do in that situation though? Murphy is in the process of assaulting him and he is simply defending himself.
As for that video clip, it is not clear if Keane strikes Murphy.
He did. His hand landed on Murphy's chest. Mayo were 8 up at that stage. He should have just done nothing. At the time, I blamed Murphy for instigating it though.
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What was Keane to do in that situation though? Murphy is in the process of assaulting him and he is simply defending himself.
As for that video clip, it is not clear if Keane strikes Murphy.
A) push him back maybe
B) not punch him
Keane was an utter idiot there and it's a red card all day long.
Thread's gone to muck.
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What was Keane to do in that situation though? Murphy is in the process of assaulting him and he is simply defending himself.
As for that video clip, it is not clear if Keane strikes Murphy.
He did. His hand landed on Murphy's chest. Mayo were 8 up at that stage. He should have just done nothing. At the time, I blamed Murphy for instigating it though.
Apart from keane pushing him back with his left hand towards the end of the clip, its not clear if he struck him in the earlier incident (unless there is another clip).
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What was Keane to do in that situation though? Murphy is in the process of assaulting him and he is simply defending himself.
As for that video clip, it is not clear if Keane strikes Murphy.
He did. His hand landed on Murphy's chest. Mayo were 8 up at that stage. He should have just done nothing. At the time, I blamed Murphy for instigating it though.
Apart from keane pushing him back with his left hand towards the end of the clip, its not clear if he struck him in the earlier incident (unless there is another clip).
Doesn't matter if he struck him or not, even though he did.
When you attempt to strike or kick it's a red card offence as pointed out to in the rules.
Cut and dry red card really.
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Bernard Flynn says the officials should get punished for not dealing with the incident involving Diarmuid.
What's Bernard smoking these days ?.
Bernard tries his best to be sensationalist at times but he actually has a point here. The referee has it in his report so presumably they seen it but deemed that it didn't warrant a red card. So they failed to apply the rules to an incident that they had seen.
Let's say a player had punched an opponent and the official didn't take action and send the player off, yet subsequently included it in his report, they would be deemed incompetent. If for talk sake this match had been against stronger opponents and Dublin had won by a point then Carlow could have felt totally aggrieved at it would no doubt have impacted the result. According to what they now have in the report, Dublin gained an unfair advantage by playing out the remainder of the game with 15 men when they should have been down a man if the officials had enforced the rules properly.
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Such a crying session about Connolly. Dublin will walk into the All Ireland semi-final. Go and enjoy the summer and learn the lesson.
Exactly. I'm a Dub. DC deserves to be suspended for 12 weeks. Can't see county board appealing this. Time to be move on.
I think you're right. This will be accepted and Dublin will move on. They don't need Connolly until August anyway (if at all), they'll sail through the games up to that. Appealing a decision involving aggression towards an official would send out the wrong message.....not least to officials. Discretion will be the better part of valour here I'd guess.
If he'd been red carded during the game, there would be no question of an appeal for this. Just like the recent Philly McMahon suspension was accepted.
But the way it's been handled leaves a bit of a bad taste in my opinion.
Everyone agrees that the hand on shoulder was minimal contact, but also that it techncially can result in a red card and 12 week ban. It's similar to swearing abuse at an official. And likewise it's up to the official to decide to let it go as heat of moment / no menance, maybe give a verbal warning not to do it again - or to decide that this is serious enough to warrant punishment.
(Incidentally, in my view the finger pointing close to the face was a lot worse, but its the more trivial "hand on shoulder" that's causing the ban.)
Branagan clearly decided immediately that this was "nothing". This is a linesman who has no fear about bringing incidents to a ref's attention (unlike some who try to keep their involvement to a minimum). He's clearly not intimidated by Connolly during the incident (the calmest person on the line by a huge distance!) and hearing Marty Clarke talk about him, he's seems to be a very confident in himself type.
Not long afterwards he called the ref over to get Brendan Murphy his second yellow card for an incident the ref had not seen (he also did similar in the league final).
In my view, Branagan decided this was an incident that did not deserve a card (there have been many similar instances in recent years of a player grabbing a ref to get his attention - pictures easily found of O'Connor, Gooch, Donaghy, McMahon and presumably many more, and the ref letting it go as trivial). But something between the end of the game and the ref's report being finalised changed the mind of Branagan. I think Dublin should (try to) find out the truth about what that was and then decide whether it warrants further appeal.
Hound, "the mind of Branagan" or his opinion of the incident have absolutely no bearing on the decision. The linesman or his opinion have no function in the matter. The only time the linesman's opinion comes into a decision, even one where he himself is assaulted, is if he considers a foul has been committed, whereupon he may call the referee's attention to it.
If he didn't consider it a breach of the rule, he was wrong. But neither that nor the fact that he didn't react as if he felt threatened are material to the determination of whether the rule, as written down, was infringed. It was.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it's as black and white and you make out.
It's up to the official to use their judgement to determine whether the rule has been broken. Technically, there is a huge amount more fouls committed per the rule book than the ref calls. Every time a player says "F.. off" to a ref should be a card, but it's rarely produced. Every time there is contact on the field, the ref has to use his judgement to decide if there is a foul.
Kieran Donaghy gave David Coldrick a right pull in an All Ireland final v the Dubs to give him some stick. I remember Cillian O'Connor lightly grabbing a ref by the shoulder to get him to turn around to listen to him in a Dubs match. I've seen pictures in the last 24 hours of Gooch and Philly McMahon touching refs when they shouldn't. All technical 12 week banning offences. But each time the ref used his judgement to say there was no ill-intent. It was heat of the moment, no malice was intended, they just wanted to give their opinion on something.
Branagan was looking out the field at the ref when Connolly nudged him on the shoulder to get him to look at him as he wanted to make his point about the poor call. In my view, Branagan must have considered it to be no more than that. Connolly wanted his attention to complain about the call. Branagan wasn't for turning, but didn't believe Connolly crossed the line.
If Branagan had called the ref over, and told him to give Connolly a red card, then it would be black and white and nobody could complain about the 12 week ban as per the rulebook.
Sometime between the end of the game and the completion of the ref's report, Branagan did change his mind about the altercation - going from a meaningless incidental touch to a minor interference. I don't think its unreasonable that Dublin asked what changed his mind.
As stevieCW rightly said elsewhere, it was a nonsense for Carlow if he thought at the time it was a red card offence, but didn't tell the ref to issue it. Nobody would expect Carlow to win, but 3 points down and a man up would have changed the whole complexion of the game. Why decide no red card during the game, but very shortly after it change his mind??
Just looked at the rulebook there and the rule says that if the referee after clarification being sought, clarifies that he did not adjudicate on a matter at the time the the relevant CCC can act. Rule 7.3 (f). "Adjudicate" is the key word.
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
The whataboutery by some of the Dubs on here is plentiful.
In fairness most Dubs I've spoken to all think he deserves his ban and are disgusted that at this stage of his career he's still making such silly decisions.
I just watched it again on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90nsP6NuBA8)
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
One of the many reasons I think this happened is that the Dubs aren't too used to playing outside of Croke Park and as most teams know when you play in an away venue (or neutral as here) you don't always get your own way. Some players feel they have to stand up for themselves a lot more because of this. If this match was in croker I bet you DC would not have felt it necessary to react like that but that away from home feeling sometimes makes player make rash decisions.
As for the argument that the ref and linesman didn't feel at the time it was that bad, I think they are well entitled to change their mind after having another look at it.
Yes there might have been worse incidents before, that went unpunished but they got to make a stand against this behaviour at some point and the fact 2 earlier instances this year have been punished I think it's vital that they continue down this road.
Bomber u say attempting to strike is a straight red card in the keane incident, so how come donnelly not getting a suspension for attempting and striking in the derry game?
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
The one thing you're missing from your 1-6 is that it was clearly a Dublin ball. Connolly didnt look at the linesman because it was crystal clear that it was a Dublin ball. A long kick from Carlow cleared everyone and went straight over the line.
Not that it excuses Connolly in any way, but needed for some context as to why he grabbed the ball and why he was surprised that Carlow lads were jostlining him, and annoyed when he turned around to see the linesman pointing the other way. Of course Connolly should just have walked away at that point.
Only in gaaboard land can a thread about a Dublin player can twisted into one where there are more posts about a random sending off in a Mayo game from a number of years back
The bitterness and resentment that the Tyrone guys are still displaying after the All-Ireland QF last year is incredible (i guess its from a number of recent games, not just last years QF). Get over yourselves FFS. You'd swear yee were the ones waiting 66 years for an All-Ireland
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 07, 2017, 03:27:03 PM
Just looked at the rulebook there and the rule says that if the referee after clarification being sought, clarifies that he did not adjudicate on a matter at the time the the relevant CCC can act. Rule 7.3 (f). "Adjudicate" is the key word.
Yeah, Brolly made that point in his interviews.
Says he finds it very hard to believe that the linesman and ref didnt adjudicate at the time of the incident, given the linesman was directly involved and the ref standing very close by.
It is only the ref who can decide if it is a foul or not during the game. The linesman can alert him to the foul but has no power above that. If the ref wasn't alerted during the game, he can still report it afterwards.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
The one thing you're missing from your 1-6 is that it was clearly a Dublin ball. Connolly didnt look at the linesman because it was crystal clear that it was a Dublin ball. A long kick from Carlow cleared everyone and went straight over the line.
Not that it excuses Connolly in any way, but needed for some context as to why he grabbed the ball and why he was surprised that Carlow lads were jostlining him, and annoyed when he turned around to see the linesman pointing the other way. Of course Connolly should just have walked away at that point.
Agreed. It was a Dublin ball all day long and that was clearly a part of Connollys frustration when he turned around and realised the ref wasn't giving the call to him.
Reminds me of a club match i was playing a few years back ..... i won a kick-out but as i landed was subject to a litany of closed fist 'tackles' from both in front and behind. Refs whistle blew and i just held the ball presuming it was my free. As i turned around, the guy how had been standing behind me lamped me in the jaw and at the same time i saw the ref was actually pointing to a free for them. "What the f**k ref" was more or less my reaction (i was still holding the ball as i made my way over to the him) .... "what do you want me to do" he says .... "sure if you don't give him the ball after i call a free against you for not playing the ball, then what do you expect"
I have a small degree of empathy for Connolly on this one :o
Sorry I wasn't aware it was definitely a Dublin ball so I can understand his actions a bit better or at least why he was so annoyed to have the ball taken off him by three Carlow players.
That actually furthers my point about being away from home and decisions often not going your way and how you have to be prepared for that and not over react. I think if he had just shouted and pointed at him he might have got away with it but to have actually pushed him back a few steps was probably what made the ref look at it again and deem it deserved a punishment.
I think it will set down a marker for the rest of the championship and it hotly contested matches like the upcoming Mayo v Galway and Tyrone v Donegal games players will be a lot more wary now of ill discipline to the officials.
Connolly needs to grow up. Winning by 10+ points, and getting into a hissy fit over a line ball against a team that they were never going to lose to... deserves it! If it was the last 5 mins of a game v one of the top teams and they were losing by a point in desperate search of a score you'd maybe understand. Officials deserve more respect in GAA and someone as high profile as Connolly acting the cnut needs to be punished - bad example for young ones
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Fair enough.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
In fairness most Dubs I've spoken to all think he deserves his ban and are disgusted that at this stage of his career he's still making such silly decisions.
I just watched it again on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90nsP6NuBA8)
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
One of the many reasons I think this happened is that the Dubs aren't too used to playing outside of Croke Park and as most teams know when you play in an away venue (or neutral as here) you don't always get your own way. Some players feel they have to stand up for themselves a lot more because of this. If this match was in croker I bet you DC would not have felt it necessary to react like that but that away from home feeling sometimes makes player make rash decisions.
As for the argument that the ref and linesman didn't feel at the time it was that bad, I think they are well entitled to change their mind after having another look at it.
Yes there might have been worse incidents before, that went unpunished but they got to make a stand against this behaviour at some point and the fact 2 earlier instances this year have been punished I think it's vital that they continue down this road.
Excellent post.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Fair enough.
This thing with Kevin Keane is way off topic but just so people are clear.
Kevin Keane did not get off on technicality. He never denied that he hit Murphy.
He made the argument, an argument which was accepted and one which is backed up by the video in the above link that after Murphy firstly thumping him in the face he then caught him in a chock hold which was restricting his breathing and the only way to get him release this chock hold was to bitch slap him.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Yeah, 100% Keane landed a slap! Very clever disguised box by Murphy also!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
Bomber u say attempting to strike is a straight red card in the keane incident, so how come donnelly not getting a suspension for attempting and striking in the derry game?
I've said at the time and I'll say it again.
Mattie Donnelly is a very lucky boy, he should have got a ban. I can only assume that the replays are not comprehensive enough to act on but he really needs to sort his napper out and stop doing ridiculous things like that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 07, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Really looking forward to what Dublin GAA Solicitors come up with. They will come up with something successful. I'd say Diarmuid has his own personal Johnnie Cochran (OJ Simpson lawyer) at this stage. They'll wear the poor auld GAA boys out with this technicality and that technicality that they'll just give up like they have in the past. To be fair I'd say a lot of Referees bottle big calls (like Diarmuids the last day) because it is full of baggage you have to deal with after the final whistle is blown!
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
In fairness most Dubs I've spoken to all think he deserves his ban and are disgusted that at this stage of his career he's still making such silly decisions.
I just watched it again on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90nsP6NuBA8)
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
One of the many reasons I think this happened is that the Dubs aren't too used to playing outside of Croke Park and as most teams know when you play in an away venue (or neutral as here) you don't always get your own way. Some players feel they have to stand up for themselves a lot more because of this. If this match was in croker I bet you DC would not have felt it necessary to react like that but that away from home feeling sometimes makes player make rash decisions.
As for the argument that the ref and linesman didn't feel at the time it was that bad, I think they are well entitled to change their mind after having another look at it.
Yes there might have been worse incidents before, that went unpunished but they got to make a stand against this behaviour at some point and the fact 2 earlier instances this year have been punished I think it's vital that they continue down this road.
He has gotten himself into hot water, plenty of times in Croke Park. Don't think the venue had anything to do with it. If it was a game in Kerry, or Castlebar, or Ballybofey, in a closely contested game, against one of Dublins biggest rivals, where the locals were hot to trot...then yeah, maybe...but a game in Portlaoise, against Carlow? I just don't see it.
He is what he is and he does what he does, because he is complete head banger, space cadet, loo la, whatever you want to call him...who can't control his temper. What is going on between his ears is the problem, not the post code of the match venue.
How many bans have stuck in the past few years, particularly at the business end of Championship?
Connolly got his overturned in 2011.
Gormley had his overturned in 2013, Penrose had his suspensions upheld.
Keegan had his overturned in 2014.
Connolly and Keane had their bans overturned in 2015. McCann also having a trumped up charge overturned.
There were a lot of nasty incidents in that Mayo-Dublin game in 2015 that really should have been punished, none more so than Johnny Cooper's stamp on Diarmuid O'Connor.
Of all those appeals only really Gormley (didn't punch Mone just pushed Mone's hand into his own face - very crafty) and McCann (yellow card offence by the rules) were justifiable.
Keegan in 2014 and Connolly in 2011 were harsh red cards and the referee at the time could have exercised a bit of common sense but in accordances to the rules, they were both justifiable red cards and once the referee took up that action then they should have stood.
Keane's in 2015 was unbelievable as it was a cut and dry red card.
Connolly's did have the self defence angle to it but I wouldn't really buy it, probably evened itself out though with Cillian O'Connor not getting cited for elbowing Rory O'Carroll though.
Penrose red in 2013 was valid and Tyrone shouldn't have appealed it.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Dublin would want to have someone with a better defence than yours representing them at the appeal.
As it is bollox.
Interesting you take that view because joe brolly has made exactly the same argument as me on twitter and takes the view that connolly is likely to get off. The officials have already adjudicated on the incident and decided that no sanction was necessary. CCCC cannot act now after the officials adjudication.
Quote from: lenny on June 07, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Dublin would want to have someone with a better defence than yours representing them at the appeal.
As it is bollox.
Interesting you take that view because joe brolly has made exactly the same argument as me on twitter and takes the view that connolly is likely to get off. The officials have already adjudicated on the incident and decided that no sanction was necessary. CCCC cannot act now after the officials adjudication.
Brolly has changed tack now as (according to his ritual in the independent today) the incident is contained in the referees report. The linesman clarified it with the referee afterwards and it is recorded in the refs report. Case closed so.
You have to love this circus! Martin Breheny and Bernie Flynn have been trying to make stories from what Aido didn't say and didn't do respectively for the last couple of weeks! The Big Mayo Lump with no All Ireland medal is an easy target. Lets make a story to fill the pages. But in steps Connolly and steals the show again! We can't imagine what a professional outfit like Dublin GAA have spent on trying to keep Connolly on the short and narrow!
Was he just trying to get a black card so he'd hit 3 and serve a suspension in the next (meaningless) game? If those thoughts were in his head.......
Quote from: Hound on June 07, 2017, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
A few things to note
1. As soon as the ball goes out the linesman had his flag up to say Carlow ball
2. Connolly ignores or doesn't see that and tries to grab the ball anyway
3. Three Carlow lads try to take the ball back off him but to no avail
4. Connolly doesn't seem to have any issue with the Carlow players but immediately starts shouting at the linesman.
5. He walks over to him and doesn't just put his hand on his shoulder but he pushes him back 3 steps as he isn't happy with his decision.
6. Look at the reaction of the Carlow guy in yellow which tells you he thought he attacked the linesman
The one thing you're missing from your 1-6 is that it was clearly a Dublin ball. Connolly didnt look at the linesman because it was crystal clear that it was a Dublin ball. A long kick from Carlow cleared everyone and went straight over the line.
Not that it excuses Connolly in any way, but needed for some context as to why he grabbed the ball and why he was surprised that Carlow lads were jostlining him, and annoyed when he turned around to see the linesman pointing the other way. Of course Connolly should just have walked away at that point.
Fuzzman has given the accurate account as it happened. There is no justifiable context for what Connolly did. He lost his head over a nothing decision, in a flash of anger he acted out aggressively towards the official and pushed him back a few steps.
He has a pattern in this type of behavior, hasn't he? This time he just happened to push the wrong guy.
There is absolutely no chance that Connolly will serve a 12 week ban. Surely nobody thinks that, given recent history, this will not get either overturned or significantly reduced.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 07, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 07, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
As a previous poster mentioned Murphy was actually very close to asphyxiating him in that clip, to release himself from death's icy grip Keane had no other option than to throw a punch. I believe he may even have suffered some mild PTSD as a result.
Hardy said back in page 1 that the CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it.
Joe Brolly said "Once it's in the referee's report then the CCCC are entitled to act on it. If it hadn't been in the report there was a serious problem. The CCCC would have had great difficulty in dealing with it because it would be usurping the referee's function."
So go back to Hardy's point if the ref hadn't mentioned it in his report does the CCCC have no power to ask the ref to look at video evidence afterwards?
Why don't they just change this rule to allow the CCCC to look into any incident using video evidence and ask the referee to review his decision.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Did any of ye hear what Marty Clarke said on BBC "The Championship" on Sunday that in Aussie rules if there is a scuffle during a break in play the ref throws the ball up again and play resumes which ends the messing.
Would be interesting to see does this work in GAA.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2017, 10:20:39 AM
Hardy said back in page 1 that the CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it.
Joe Brolly said "Once it's in the referee's report then the CCCC are entitled to act on it. If it hadn't been in the report there was a serious problem. The CCCC would have had great difficulty in dealing with it because it would be usurping the referee's function."
So go back to Hardy's point if the ref hadn't mentioned it in his report does the CCCC have no power to ask the ref to look at video evidence afterwards?
Why don't they just change this rule to allow the CCCC to look into any incident using video evidence and ask the referee to review his decision.
I was working from memory in stating that the CCCC can refer incidents back to officials and ask them if, in the light of video evidence, they are happy with how they dealt with it. I decided to check the rule. (Memo to self - check the rule before posting about the rule.) Here's what the relevant parts of Rule 7.3 say (part (e) seems to qualify part (f), so I'll put them in the reverse, but logical order):
(f) Disciplinary Action alleging Misconduct at Games Infractions may only
be commenced by the Competitions Control Committee where:
(i) The Referee's Report discloses the alleged Infraction; or
(ii) The Referee has failed to submit his report within a
period of 10 days after the Game concerned; or
(iii) Clarification of the Referee's Report is received stating
that the Referee did not adjudicate upon the subject matter
of the Request
(e) The Competitions Control Committee may make a written Request for Clarification from a Referee:
(1) where there is any ambiguity in his Report, or
(2) where the Competitions Control Committee is in the
course of investigating a possible Infraction not stated in his
Report (even if the incident itself is disclosed).
So the rule doesn't mention video evidence. It does - in f(iii) – allow for clarification of the referee's report, on request from the CCCC.
However, it seems the clarification clause doesn't apply in the Connolly case. The CCCC may commence disciplinary action per section f(i), as I understand the referee's report does disclose the alleged infraction.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
Did any of ye hear what Marty Clarke said on BBC "The Championship" on Sunday that in Aussie rules if there is a scuffle during a break in play the ref throws the ball up again and play resumes which ends the messing.
Would be interesting to see does this work in GAA.
I was at one of our league games in Clonoe a few weeks back, for the life on me I can't think who we were playing, but there was a alot of pushing, pulling, with perhaps ten players involved, the ref had blown for a free, then he just threw the ball up between two players not involved, it was so funny as you never seen ten players move so fast to get back into the game especially the defenders involved, it was really funny to watch how the players reacted to it. It sorted the messing
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Murphy nearly squeezed the last ounce of life out of Keane, if Keane hadn't thrown that dig we would have been dealing with a crime scene.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
You can't strike some one when you're holding their jersey unless it was made of spandex or 10x too big. It would be physically impossible to generate any sort of leverage. It was a shove and Keane stupidly overreacted. There is never a red card offence in what Murphy did. There is in what Keane did.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 08, 2017, 08:04:40 AM
There is absolutely no chance that Connolly will serve a 12 week ban. Surely nobody thinks that, given recent history, this will not get either overturned or significantly reduced.
I don't see any possible way for the ban to be
reduced as the minimum ban for the offence is 12 weeks.
Overturned? possibly!
It'll be either 12 weeks or nothing.
I personally think it'll be 12 weeks. I don't think it'll be overturned.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
You can't strike some one when you're holding their jersey unless it was made of spandex or 10x too big. It would be physically impossible to generate any sort of leverage. It was a shove and Keane stupidly overreacted. There is never a red card offence in what Murphy did. There is in what Keane did.
Of course you can strike someone when holding their jersey. What do you class as a strike? Murphy pushed his closed fist into Keanes face, contact was made. It wasn't a blatant haymaker, but still a strike.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
Did any of ye hear what Marty Clarke said on BBC "The Championship" on Sunday that in Aussie rules if there is a scuffle during a break in play the ref throws the ball up again and play resumes which ends the messing.
Would be interesting to see does this work in GAA.
I was at one of our league games in Clonoe a few weeks back, for the life on me I can't think who we were playing, but there was a alot of pushing, pulling, with perhaps ten players involved, the ref had blown for a free, then he just threw the ball up between two players not involved, it was so funny as you never seen ten players move so fast to get back into the game especially the defenders involved, it was really funny to watch how the players reacted to it. It sorted the messing
I think Aussie Rules deal with this really well. Any scuffles the ball gets put back into play immediately and generally you are only left with the two original protagonists still involved. Everyone else justs gets back into position. Really think GAA shoudl go down this route.
Just on the Murphy incident as well, the "jumper punch" is being cracked down on now in the AFL. It was a loophole, seemed to be if you had a handful of jumper all bets were off and you could do what you want. Those guys got good at it though
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-in-trouble-after-jumper-punching-fremantles-lachie-neale-in-the-face-ng-b88475548z (https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-in-trouble-after-jumper-punching-fremantles-lachie-neale-in-the-face-ng-b88475548z)
So regarding the wording of the rule then.
Does that not mean that even if the ref hadn't mentioned it in his report, could the CCCC still not have requested Clarification of the Referee's Report, stating that the Referee did not adjudicate upon the subject matter
of the Request or is Brolly's point that he did adjudicate that no action was needed?
Where is the grey area here?
Does this mean that if in a game, a ref gives a lad a yellow card but the CCCC think it should be red then they can or they cannot ask him to review it?
In Aussie rules that is ok as you have two refs. One can continue with game while other can make sure it ends. At county level, you could get the linesmen to keep an eye on the melee as ref continues with game. Any carding offences spotted by the linesmen could then be issued later. At club level though, it wouldn't work.
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Did any of ye hear what Marty Clarke said on BBC "The Championship" on Sunday that in Aussie rules if there is a scuffle during a break in play the ref throws the ball up again and play resumes which ends the messing.
Would be interesting to see does this work in GAA.
I was at one of our league games in Clonoe a few weeks back, for the life on me I can't think who we were playing, but there was a alot of pushing, pulling, with perhaps ten players involved, the ref had blown for a free, then he just threw the ball up between two players not involved, it was so funny as you never seen ten players move so fast to get back into the game especially the defenders involved, it was really funny to watch how the players reacted to it. It sorted the messing
I think Aussie Rules deal with this really well. Any scuffles the ball gets put back into play immediately and generally you are only left with the two original protagonists still involved. Everyone else justs gets back into position. Really think GAA shoudl go down this route.
The only problem is what happens if a ref throws up the ball and 2 or more lads continue messing - what happens if one of these lads gets a broken jaw or something similar.
Also is the ref supposed to keep an eye on the two lads or is he supposed to track the action?
I would assume the AFL penalise/cite the players after the match if they continue messing when play goes on.
There's also the fact that it's somewhat easier to hand out match bans or fines in a professional game.
If you ban someone for 3 games in AFL, Rugby or Soccer it's a severe punishment but it doesn't mean the end of their season - if the GAA were to hand out 3 game bans for an offence in a championship game, the odds are high it will end a players entire season.
Edit : I was typing while Stall the Bailer posted about the two refs in AFL
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
You can't strike some one when you're holding their jersey unless it was made of spandex or 10x too big. It would be physically impossible to generate any sort of leverage. It was a shove and Keane stupidly overreacted. There is never a red card offence in what Murphy did. There is in what Keane did.
Of course you can strike someone when holding their jersey. What do you class as a strike? Murphy pushed his closed fist into Keanes face, contact was made. It wasn't a blatant haymaker, but still a strike.
Not a strike. It was a push as he had a hold of his jersey. If you consider that a strike then half the Down and Armagh players will be facing bans for their next game. A strike is not making contact with someone, it needs a punch to be thrown and there was no punch thrown by Murphy. He grabbed Keane's jersey and shoved him back.
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Did any of ye hear what Marty Clarke said on BBC "The Championship" on Sunday that in Aussie rules if there is a scuffle during a break in play the ref throws the ball up again and play resumes which ends the messing.
Would be interesting to see does this work in GAA.
I was at one of our league games in Clonoe a few weeks back, for the life on me I can't think who we were playing, but there was a alot of pushing, pulling, with perhaps ten players involved, the ref had blown for a free, then he just threw the ball up between two players not involved, it was so funny as you never seen ten players move so fast to get back into the game especially the defenders involved, it was really funny to watch how the players reacted to it. It sorted the messing
I think Aussie Rules deal with this really well. Any scuffles the ball gets put back into play immediately and generally you are only left with the two original protagonists still involved. Everyone else justs gets back into position. Really think GAA shoudl go down this route.
The only problem is what happens if a ref throws up the ball and 2 or more lads continue messing - what happens if one of these lads gets a broken jaw or something similar.
Also is the ref supposed to keep an eye on the two lads or is he supposed to track the action?
I would assume the AFL penalise/cite the players after the match if they continue messing when play goes on.
There's also the fact that it's somewhat easier to hand out match bans or fines in a professional game.
If you ban someone for 3 games in AFL, Rugby or Soccer it's a severe punishment but it doesn't mean the end of their season - if the GAA were to hand out 3 game bans for an offence in a championship game, the odds are high it will end a players entire season.
Edit : I was typing while Stall the Bailer posted about the two refs in AFL
Agreed the two refs does make a big difference and I think Aussie rules have no in-game sanction, i.e. you cannot be sent off. Its all retrospective based on video and Umpire report. Not sure how its dealt with at at club level over there when I assume they dont have multiple refs.
In AFL a hop/bounce ball is the normal way to restart if there is a sideline/maul etc even if there is no foul which helps. A player with the ball in AFL can be tackled as soon as the Umpire calls play on, he doe snot need to kick it. Generally a scuffle in the GAA follows a foul so the referee cannot dictate how the game restarts as the team awarded the foul have to take their free.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
So regarding the wording of the rule then.
Does that not mean that even if the ref hadn't mentioned it in his report, could the CCCC still not have requested Clarification of the Referee's Report
Rule 7.3(e) says the CCCC can request clarification from a referee if it (the CCCC) "is in the course of investigating a possible infraction not stated in the referee's report". The thing is, I can't find anywhere a specification of the circumstances in which the CCCC would be investigating something that's not in the referee's report – i.e. in what circumstances they are allowed to investigate stuff that the referee hasn't reported.
In fact, Rule 7.3(e) lays out the three circumstances in which disciplinary action alleging misconduct at games may be initiated by the CCCC and it does not include a situation where the referee has submitted a report but not mentioned the misconduct.
It's another example of woolly drafting of rules that provides a living for lawyers.
The lawyer for the CCCC will say, "we needed to investigate something the referee didn't report, so we wrote to the referee under Rule 7.3(e) and asked whether he believes it's something to deal with or that he dealt with it or dealt correctly with it".
The lawyer for the defendant will say, "you had no business investigating something that wasn't in the referee's report – see Rule 7.3(f) for the only circumstances in which you may initiate an investigation. You'll find that does not allow you to make up stuff that's not in the referee's report".
May the best lawyer win.
QuoteDoes this mean that if in a game, a ref gives a lad a yellow card but the CCCC think it should be red then they can or they cannot ask him to review it?
Not under any provision I can see in Rule 7.3.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
So regarding the wording of the rule then.
Does that not mean that even if the ref hadn't mentioned it in his report, could the CCCC still not have requested Clarification of the Referee's Report
Rule 7.3(e) says the CCCC can request clarification from a referee if it (the CCCC) "is in the course of investigating a possible infraction not stated in the referee's report". The thing is, I can't find anywhere a specification of the circumstances in which the CCCC would be investigating something that's not in the referee's report – i.e. in what circumstances they are allowed to investigate stuff that the referee hasn't reported.
In fact, Rule 7.3(e) lays out the three circumstances in which disciplinary action alleging misconduct at games may be initiated by the CCCC and it does not include a situation where the referee has submitted a report but not mentioned the misconduct.
It's another example of woolly drafting of rules that provides a living for lawyers.
The lawyer for the CCCC will say, "we needed to investigate something the referee didn't report, so we wrote to the referee under Rule 7.3(e) and asked whether he believes it's something to deal with or that he dealt with it or dealt correctly with it".
The lawyer for the defendant will say, "you had no business investigating something that wasn't in the referee's report – see Rule 7.3(f) for the only circumstances in which you may initiate an investigation. You'll find that does not allow you to make up stuff that's not in the referee's report".
May the best lawyer win.
QuoteDoes this mean that if in a game, a ref gives a lad a yellow card but the CCCC think it should be red then they can or they cannot ask him to review it?
Not under any provision I can see in Rule 7.3.
Have a look at the disciplinary handbook part III. It's in there that basically the CCCC can look at anything they like EXCEPT with reference to rule 3.7 where the ref has adjudicated on it - they can seek clarification from the ref on whether he adjudicated on something or not.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
Now, just as you can't half dig a hole or give someone half a kick up the arse, you can't grab a fistful of an opponent's jersey and attempt to push him backwards without committing an assault. Whatever Keane did or didn't do to cause Murphy to act in such a manner isn't an issue here. That's a separate matter.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
Anyway, it's a good job Keane wasn't used in either of the subsequent games that year.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
Keegan play on the edge but he wouldn't choke players like what Murphy done there.
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Anyway, it's a good job Keane wasn't used in either of the subsequent games that year.
I think Kevin would take a 6 month retrospective ban no problem today.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike. Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do. As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.
I'm surprised no new rule has been brought in to stop this holding people by the neck or this not letting go of the jersey and trying to rip it off. It really has become rife in the game now as nobody wants to throw a punch any more.
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I'm surprised no new rule has been brought in to stop this holding people by the neck or this not letting go of the jersey and trying to rip it off. It really has become rife in the game now as nobody wants to throw a punch any more.
+1
Couldn't agree more.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike. Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do. As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.
Just like Diarmuid Connolly's is a nothing incident.
Either the rules are upheld or they are not. Kevin Keane clearly swung a punch at Michael Murphy, he caught him in the face (doesn't impact either way on the punishment) and was correctly red carded. You can say it was a nothing incident but by the rules in place it's a red card.
I think Connolly's is a nothing incident, it's a slight shove but they have implemented a ban in line with the rules. I'm making the point that Mayo people like to have their cake and eat it. Michael Murphy did not commit a red card offence, Kevin Keane did. Lee Keegan's red card against Kerry should also have stood in accordance with the rules however harsh it was, as should Connolly's red card against Donegal.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike. Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do. As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.
You're imagining a shove is a punch when it clearly isn't. Murphy's arm is clearly extended and holding onto Keane's jersey which he doesn't let go of. There is no red card offence for holding onto someone's jersey and shoving them with that hand. There is no red card offence that discriminates between which part of the body contact is made with regarding when it comes to being struck. What Murphy did in that case happens every single game in Championship and there is no sending off rule against it. It's what's referred to as handbags.
What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
There was a lot of criticism about Keane getting his ban overturned at the time and quite rightly. There was nobody claiming Murphy should have been red carded as there is no red card sanction for holding on to a jersey or shoving them
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike. Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do. As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.
You're imagining a shove is a punch when it clearly isn't. Murphy's arm is clearly extended and holding onto Keane's jersey which he doesn't let go of. There is no red card offence for holding onto someone's jersey and shoving them with that hand. There is no red card offence that discriminates between which part of the body contact is made with regarding when it comes to being struck. What Murphy did in that case happens every single game in Championship and there is no sending off rule against it. It's what's referred to as handbags.
What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
There was a lot of criticism about Keane getting his ban overturned at the time and quite rightly. There was nobody claiming Murphy should have been red carded as there is no red card sanction for holding on to a jersey or shoving them
I think you've made your point clear enough. As I said it was a good job he didn't get gametime against Dublin in the drawn game or replay.
So a strike' is a sending off offence?
Do they define in the rulebook what a strike is?
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So a strike' is a sending off offence?
Do they define in the rulebook what a strike is?
If you consider what Murphy did a strike then there are multiple bans left right and centre for every skirmish that breaks out in a match which is pretty much every match.
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What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person. Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant. End of story.
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What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person. Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant. End of story.
He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
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What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person. Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant. End of story.
He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face? It was a jumper punch.
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What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person. Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant. End of story.
He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face? It was a jumper punch.
Not doing anything that was contrary to the rules reportedly.
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He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
There is difference between touching and striking. One does not prove the other. It doesn't matter what he was doing or intended to do. No appreciable force was applied to the action and therefore it's not classed as a strike.
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What Keane did is a cut and dry red card. As harmless as it was he threw a punch and struck Murphy, not that it matters whether Murphy was caught or not as all it needs is an attempt to strike. Keane had no defence whatsoever.
Look up in the dictionary what a strike means. It means inflicting a blow on another person. Keane did not inflict a blow on Murphy. So it wasn't a red card. Whatever Murphy did or didn't do is irrelevant. End of story.
He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
What was Murphy doing pushing his fist towards Keanes face? It was a jumper punch.
He was holding his jersey and shoving Keane back.
Your whole premise seems to be that because Murphy's hand came in contact with Keane's face when he was shoving him as he had his jersey held that he was striking him. There is no rule in the game that discriminates which part of the body you come in contact with with regard to a red card offence. Punching a lad in his toe is the same offence as punching a lad in the mouth or nose or eye in the laws of the game.
What you seem to be indicating is that a push or a shove is a red card offence. Is the below incident two red cards?
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I'm surprised no new rule has been brought in to stop this holding people by the neck or this not letting go of the jersey and trying to rip it off. It really has become rife in the game now as nobody wants to throw a punch any more.
+1
Couldn't agree more.
I still can't fathom why pulling a jersey isn't a straight black card
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He clearly did strike a blow, he just happens to punch like a girl.
Whether he made contact with Murphy is irrelevant, even though he clearly did, as an attempt to strike is a red card in itself. It was a clear cut red card and it was baffling how he got off. The decision to overturn the red card came under a lot of criticism at the time and quite rightly so.
What was Keane doing? Trying to swot a fly near Murphy's face?
There is difference between touching and striking. One does not prove the other. It doesn't matter what he was doing or intended to do. No appreciable force was applied to the action and therefore it's not classed as a strike.
Swinging your arm at someone and subsequently hitting them in the face would constitute a strike.
Pushing a lad whose jersey you have a hold of, would not constitute a strike.
Here's an article published at the time about the overturning of Keane's ban.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/decision-to-lift-keane-suspension-infuriates-croke-park-officials-1.2323513
Keane's swung his arm at Murphy, caught him in the face and was quite rightly sent off. Force has nothing to do with it, whether you do it with an open hand or a closed fist, it's the same thing.
"There is however intense annoyance within the national administration that Mayo's Kevin Keane somehow escaped a proposed suspension after being clearly seen to strike Donegal's Michael Murphy, also in the quarter-finals for which he was shown a red card."According to the CHC press release, the committee found that Keane's "infraction as alleged was not proven". Yet the report of referee David Gough stated that the red card had been issued for striking in accordance with the rules and the infraction was widely seen on television to have taken place.It's as cut and dry a red card as you will see for striking, he swings his right arm from down around his hip and catches an upright Murphy who stands at around 6ft2 in the face. I'm absolutely baffled as to how it was overturned when it was recorded as clearly as it was.
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How is there nothing on this already? The man is facing a 12 week ban for pushing a ref and theres not a word about it.
The two lads on the Sunday Game with to town on him last nite, was very surprised Jimbo Gavin hadn't managed to get Ciaran Whelan and some other lackie on to tell us that the bould Connolly was just moving a fly that was resting on the linesman top. Dessie did his level best to suggest that there was nothing in it but he needs to go back to Jim's PR classes because Spillane in particular made bits of his flimsy defence.
So how will the Dubs get out of this one? Maybe draft in Brolly?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/watch-diarmuid-connollys-infamous-temper-gets-better-125750
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/watch-diarmuid-connolly-could-face-lengthy-ban-for-incident-with-linesman-35785327.html
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
;D ;D
Assaulted?
The level of partiality with you Mayo lads is off the scale. It's a simple case of a bit of pushing and shoving with Keane completely overreacting, striking his opponent which carries a red card as per the rules. He received it and it should never have been overheld.
There is no rule regarding assault. There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent. It's very obvious Keane struck Murphy, it's very obvious Murphy was holding onto Keane's jersey and therefore couldn't strike him.
I will once again state that there is no red card offence for assault. Is grappling with someone on the floor assault? By that stretch I'm sure you're looking for Lee Keegan to be sent off nearly every match he plays.
You really are obsessed with Mayo. Its unhealthy. You will argue black is white or white is black just to have the final say on a Mayo issue.
As you say "There is a rule regarding striking or attempting to strike an opponent". It doesn't say how far you have to swing back. It can be a haymaker or a jab. If the offender is holding a jersey so be it. But as I said earlier, Keane got off this because he argued Murphy had him by the throat and he slapped him across the face in order to free his grip. This was accepted by the cccc or whoever sits on these things. You can argue it should have been a red, a ban whatever you want but the fact of the matter is the people who looked at this independently, and not some obsessed nut job from Tymoan decided Keane should not have got a red and thus should not have been banned.
J70 has already said it. This was a nothing incident and both players should probably have been yellow carded. This seems to be the line the cccc took on it.
Well said, I class what Murphy did as a strike. Never heard the term 'Jumper Punch' before, but I think that this shows that you can hold a jersey and strike at the same time, something that Il Bomber thought was impossible to do. As mentioned too, a strike doesn't necessarily have to be a world class punch.
You can class anything as anything you want to if you ignore the evidence I suppose.
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Way off topic here but you Mayo guys are unreal, look at this youtube clip. It has KK's red card in slow motion. It is absolutely crystal clear that KK struck MM with an open handed slap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPbGHVA8FU
Definitely clear in this video, however Murphy should also have received a red in this case.
Why?
He has a hold of Keane's jersey, he doesn't throw a punch or strike a player.
Yellow for Murphy, red for Keane would have been the correct call there. If some lad grabs your jersey or gives you a bit of a shove and you react like Keane did and take a swing then you're looking at a red card. Brainless stuff from Keane at the time.
Murphy did more than simply hold his jersey and should have received worse punishment than Keane.
No, he didn't. Murphy did not swing at Keane. He grabbed his jersey and shoved Keane. Keane responded by swinging at Murphy and hit him in the face. Keane was a red card offence, there was no red card offence in what Murphy did.
Murphy shoved Keane in the face with a closed fist, the fact that he was also holding his jersey shouldn't hide the fact that this is also a strike.
Come one FFS! You have to be taking the piss! ;D
He grabbed Keane's jersey, Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face.
Yellow card for both as Keane's "strike" was hardly worthy of the name.
I'd forgotten completely about this incident and was expecting a fairly straightforward box from the way you're going on!
Whatever about Keane's actions, I cannot see why Murphy shouldn't have gotten a straight red. By any stretch of logic you like, grabbing someone by the front of his jersey and pushing him backwards would constitute an assault. Try it out some day at a bus stop or similar and you'll see what I mean.
You may be indubitably correct here, "Keane was struggling and grabbed Murphy's arm, presumably to free himself, causing the movement of Murphy's fist (which was closed due to his grip on the jersey) towards Keane's face."
But whether it was his face or his arse that Murphy grabbed, Keane was assaulted.
Now, just as you can't half dig a hole or give someone half a kick up the arse, you can't grab a fistful of an opponent's jersey and attempt to push him backwards without committing an assault. Whatever Keane did or didn't do to cause Murphy to act in such a manner isn't an issue here. That's a separate matter.
If you want to classify grabbing someone's jersey, causing the opponent to struggle to get free while you have an arm's length grip of them, as assault, knock yourself out.
Handbags to most.
The jumper punch was something the aussies developed when the AFL started coming down like a tonne of bricks on punch-ups.
Basically you pull the player towards you by the jersey and then 'push' your fist into his chest/throat/chin.
This thread was originally about Connolly bit like most threads has descended into farce. What is clear is almost all senior county players appeal a red card they receive. The only high profile player I can remember accepting his ban is John Mullane.
All counties/county boards are guilty of using ridiculous technicalities to get their player off. The fact that in most cases the red card was deserved is irrelevant. Serious hypocrisy and rubbish posted about Connolly by a lot of posters
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This thread was originally about Connolly bit like most threads has descended into farce. What is clear is almost all senior county players appeal a red card they receive. The only high profile player I can remember accepting his ban is John Mullane.
All counties/county boards are guilty of using ridiculous technicalities to get their player off. The fact that in most cases the red card was deserved is irrelevant. Serious hypocrisy and rubbish posted about Connolly by a lot of posters
Speak for your own county.
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This thread was originally about Connolly bit like most threads has descended into farce. What is clear is almost all senior county players appeal a red card they receive. The only high profile player I can remember accepting his ban is John Mullane.
All counties/county boards are guilty of using ridiculous technicalities to get their player off. The fact that in most cases the red card was deserved is irrelevant. Serious hypocrisy and rubbish posted about Connolly by a lot of posters
You can add Diarmuid Connolly to the list of players who accept their punishment. No appeal is being lodged.
Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
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Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
I think he is unlucky. The ref & linesman should have dealt with it at the time and sent him off. (That's what paddy Russell did to Evan comerford but spillane failed to mention)
I think the linesman was going to let it go but once sky kept repeating it he was gone. I'd also question how it was included in ref's report. Cynical me thinks a bit of editing may have been done.
One the ban came down he was right not to appeal.
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This thread was originally about Connolly bit like most threads has descended into farce. What is clear is almost all senior county players appeal a red card they receive. The only high profile player I can remember accepting his ban is John Mullane.
All counties/county boards are guilty of using ridiculous technicalities to get their player off. The fact that in most cases the red card was deserved is irrelevant. Serious hypocrisy and rubbish posted about Connolly by a lot of posters
Speak for your own county.
Oh please get out of your world class team bus and come back to reality. A quick Google search will give you a list of news stories with players from various counties appealing red cards.
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Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
I think he is unlucky. The ref & linesman should have dealt with it at the time and sent him off. (That's what paddy Russell did to Evan comerford but spillane failed to mention)
I think the linesman was going to let it go but once sky kept repeating it he was gone. I'd also question how it was included in ref's report. Cynical me thinks a bit of editing may have been done.
One the ban came down he was right not to appeal.
IT should be noted that if the ref did send him off, he still would have gotten 12 weeks.
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Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
I think he is unlucky. The ref & linesman should have dealt with it at the time and sent him off. (That's what paddy Russell did to Evan comerford but spillane failed to mention)
I think the linesman was going to let it go but once sky kept repeating it he was gone. I'd also question how it was included in ref's report. Cynical me thinks a bit of editing may have been done.
One the ban came down he was right not to appeal.
IT should be noted that if the ref did send him off, he still would have gotten 12 weeks.
Key point
Connolly clearly did something that is as clear as day called out in the rule book and carried a 12 week ban. He got it and has accepted it. Hard to believe there is a debate about this for 19 pages.
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Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
I think he is unlucky. The ref & linesman should have dealt with it at the time and sent him off. (That's what paddy Russell did to Evan comerford but spillane failed to mention)
I think the linesman was going to let it go but once sky kept repeating it he was gone. I'd also question how it was included in ref's report. Cynical me thinks a bit of editing may have been done.
One the ban came down he was right not to appeal.
IT should be noted that if the ref did send him off, he still would have gotten 12 weeks.
Agreed. If the ref had sent him off immediately there would be no issue. It's the fact the linesman didn't say anything to the ref but it was included in his report that creates the issue and they should also be reprimanded
Fair dues to Connolly for accepting the 12 week ban.
Good to see.
The fact that we're pleasantly surprised when players accept their punishment says it all though.
He will have plenty of time to go to McGowan's now.
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Dublin7 do you think he deserved the ban?
I think he is unlucky. The ref & linesman should have dealt with it at the time and sent him off. (That's what paddy Russell did to Evan comerford but spillane failed to mention)
I think the linesman was going to let it go but once sky kept repeating it he was gone. I'd also question how it was included in ref's report. Cynical me thinks a bit of editing may have been done.
One the ban came down he was right not to appeal.
IT should be noted that if the ref did send him off, he still would have gotten 12 weeks.
Agreed. If the ref had sent him off immediately there would be no issue. It's the fact the linesman didn't say anything to the ref but it was included in his report that creates the issue and they should also be reprimanded
Correct. That's a very valid point.
RTE Saturday sports on radio now. Lots of games on today & tomorrow. However Des the Thick only wants to talk about the "main story". Did the ref see it- but he didn't do anything. Ban shouldn't have happened as it wasn't in the ref's report- possibly added retrospectively. "Do you think it will affect Dublin's preparation, Joe? " Dublin Dublin Dublin
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He will have plenty of time to go to McGowan's now.
He might even manage to get you a bird there as well.
Welcome back Indiana,You have been missed around here ;) ;)
Good to see Branagan back today after the horrific attack ;)
My mother said that Dubs would rob you off your tooth fillings.
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Good to see Branagan back today after the horrific attack ;)
Clearly still shaken from portlaoise because he was rubbish tonight. Mind you anyone who paid in to watch that so called football tonight should demand a refund. One of the worst championship football games ever seen. Some of the wides/shooting were a joke. What exactly do these 2 teams do in training. Certainly don't practice shooting
Thought Brannigan had a good game tonite but as is standard people will claim the ref was rubbish and not even know why he was rubbish.And of course nobody claimed Brannigan was assaulted but do not let the facts get in the way of your rant
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Good to see Branagan back today after the horrific attack ;)
Clearly still shaken from portlaoise because he was rubbish tonight. Mind you anyone who paid in to watch that so called football tonight should demand a refund. One of the worst championship football games ever seen. Some of the wides/shooting were a joke. What exactly do these 2 teams do in training. Certainly don't practice shooting
Running. They've clearly been running non-stop since last September. Both teams were brilliant at it. I've never seen better runners. Having to carry a ball, though, is a feckin nuisance when you're running. Just as well they don't have to kick it much, or the running would be ruined altogether.
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Put yourself in the linesmans shoes .... you have 3 or 4 players jostling for the ball on the sideline after a kickout. Ball goes over the line. You award the line ball to Carlow but the Dublin guy holds on to the ball and a bit of jostling starts. Then ...you have Diarmuid Connolly screaming at you and pointing his finger, Diarmuid Connolly FFS, you have Carlow sideline and a few thousand people in the stands screaming at you, you know there is a TV camera behind you. Your heart is jumping out of your chest, you're can barely remember what has just happened. OK, calm down, gather your thoughts - what the fcuk just happened there? I don't know .... it was a blur, maybe i got the line ball call wrong given Connollys reaction. Was it much of a reaction ? sure all the Carlow lads were screaming at the same time. Oh fcuk it, let the game run, next time.
After the game.... 'ah bolloux, he did put a hand on me, he was screaming in my face. Why the fcuk didn't i take a bit more time to gather my thoughts. Well f**k it. Sean ... come here to see this side line incident on my phone. I think we fcuked up and we should have made a call on it. It needs to go in your report'
Yes, of course i made it all up but this scenario (linesman and ref realizing afterwards as they togged in that they messed up and should have adjudicated on the incident) allows for CCCC intervention as i understand it.
The perhaps more amazing thing from the game is how completely ineffectual Connolly was. 1pt from a 45 with the last kick of the game. 2 pts from play in his last 3 championship games. Its all fine and well Connolly showing his genius when Dublin are hammering some team or other in Leinster, but (and please correct me if i am wrong Dublin folks) he hasn't consistently made a big enough contribution when it counts in the Dublin colours.
Anyway, no one wins in all of this. As a Mayo fan, i'd rather Connolly hadn't done what he done on Saturday but given that he has then, then given his profile and the implications for refs at club level if no punishment, then he has to get the 12 weeks
As a matter of interest and balance, do you find Colm Boyle's reactions to refereeing decisions acceptable? In big games in the past few years I've seen him jumping up and down in front of a referee and roaring in his face and the only punishment he has received is the ball being brought further forward.
Cillian O'Connor is far worse than Boyle for roaring at referees
You're use of the word 'roaring' undermines the point you are trying to make wrt O'Connor. What we do have throughout the GAA is a culture of players pleading their case with the referee. I don't like it and it should be stamped out. There perhaps is room for the captain to take a discussion a la rugby.
What we don't have - thankfully - is a culture of laying hands on the official in a threatening tone/manner and pointing fingers at the ref in an equally threatening tone or manner.
Is roaring in the referees face and aggressively gesticulating and motioning to him after he has made a decision or about to, showing the referee respect?
Mayo are certainly the most guilty county with it comes to attempting to put undue pressure on match officials. It's about time referees clamped down on Cillian O'Connor trying to referee games.
When did Cillian referee a game? News to me
O'Connor gets too involved with referees and at it for years. Would be better off concentrating on his own game
I saw Cian Mackey, Andy Moran and Sean Armstrong put their hands on the referee today.
Will you be okay?
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I saw Cian Mackey, Andy Moran and Sean Armstrong put their hands on the referee today.
:'(
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I saw Cian Mackey, Andy Moran and Sean Armstrong put their hands on the referee today.
Kerrigan last night too.
You just cannot lay a hand on an official though.
I saw someone shake hands with a ref once.
Where's HIS suspension?
Looks like he's appealing.
How dare they suspend a Dublin player. ::)
Widely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Maybe Gavin saw Galway yesterday and knowing Kildare and Meath are around equal to them that Leinster might not be the cakewalk it has been previously - so asked Connolly to reconsider!
But nothing actually confirmed either way yet. I'm sure it will be clarified shortly
QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
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Widely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Maybe Gavin saw Galway yesterday and knowing Kildare and Meath are around equal to them that Leinster might not be the cakewalk it has been previously - so asked Connolly to reconsider!
But nothing actually confirmed either way yet. I'm sure it will be clarified shortly
Not healthy to be drinking this early in the morning.
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Widely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Maybe Gavin saw Galway yesterday and knowing Kildare and Meath are around equal to them that Leinster might not be the cakewalk it has been previously - so asked Connolly to reconsider!
But nothing actually confirmed either way yet. I'm sure it will be clarified shortly
Not healthy to be drinking this early in the morning.
Equal to Galway is what I said.
Kildare certainly are, and I think it's fair to say Galway and Kildare are (there or thereabouts) up to the standard of Donegal and Monaghan now. Capable of beating a big team in a quarter-final. Even though Galway beat Mayo in Connacht last year - that was a fluke. If they'd played Mayo (or Kerry or Dublin) in an AI semi or quarter, they'd have been hammered out the gate. Not this year. While I still think Mayo would beat Galway in an AI semi, I think it would be a close game and wouldn't rule Galway out. And I think Kildare are probably in a similar boat. Not sure about Meath.
Ah right. I picked up wrong there. Apologies.
I know in Kildare we are looking for consistency. We seemed to fall flat against Galway in the league final. Hard to know what to expect against Meath.
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QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
Apparantly today was deadline.
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QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
Apparantly today was deadline.
Wonder what made him change his mind. He must have got some guidance about procedural matters or something.
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QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
Apparantly today was deadline.
Wonder what made him change his mind. He must have got some guidance about procedural matters or something.
Unless "widely known" was widely wrong!
As usual with GAA, lots of smokes and mirrors and incorrect assumptions and possible misinformation. Next one of interest is that if he loses appeal, when does suspension start?
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QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
Apparantly today was deadline.
Wonder what made him change his mind. He must have got some guidance about procedural matters or something.
Unless "widely known" was widely wrong!
Next one of interest is that if he loses appeal, when does suspension start?
Date of hearing/appeal/DRA meeting
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Date of hearing/appeal/DRA meeting
No, date of game.
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QuoteWidely known that it was Connolly himself that instructed the DCB not to appeal. But maybe he changed his mind before the deadline.
Wasn't the deadline for a hearing last Friday?
Apparantly today was deadline.
Wonder what made him change his mind. He must have got some guidance about procedural matters or something.
Unless "widely known" was widely wrong!
Next one of interest is that if he loses appeal, when does suspension start?
Date of hearing/appeal/DRA meeting
So that's taking on a massive risk, if that's true.
Although the suspension also includes not being allowed to train, so even though many said he wouldnt miss anything of importance, missing training for 12 weeks is effectively end of season anyway (and couldnt afford to ignore the training ban piece as would lead to big increase in suspension if caught)
That's because theoretically if they had a training/game, he could partake while the appeal was ongoing? Or is it supposed to be a deterrent for taking an appeal?
Can the suspension be increased if his appeal fails?
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That's because theoretically if they had a training/game, he could partake while the appeal was ongoing? Or is it supposed to be a deterrent for taking an appeal?
Can the suspension be increased if his appeal fails?
He's free to act while the process is ongoing. The Hearing committee (CHC) can impose whatever sanction they see fit. Next step would be an appeal, followed by the DRA.
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
I don't think he will get off with this one.
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I don't think he will get off with this one.
He will, and rightly so.
#justice4dermo
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Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
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Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
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Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
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Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
It's a procedural technicality he'll be looking for so CHC will upload the suspension and then it's appeal & DRA.
While he's totally guilty, I find the piety a little hard to take - the whole GAA disciplinary system depends on which game features on the Sunday game and who's the analyst. Graham Reilly get a long spell on the sidelines after the Dublin v Meath game last year?
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Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
if I were a ref I'd be more worried about implementing the rules. In this case why didn't the ref throw up the ball and control the game as soon as he was set up upon by three players?
Every single game he plays he gets clattered late every time he lays off the ball, it's open season on him. No-one sees anything until he inevitably reacts and then flags go up immediately.
When we have a fair and consistent disciplinary system, I'll think of the children. Until then, it's every county for themselves.
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
if I were a ref I'd be more worried about implementing the rules. In this case why didn't the ref throw up the ball and control the game as soon as he was set up upon by three players?
Every single game he plays he gets clattered late every time he lays off the ball, it's open season on him. No-one sees anything until he inevitably reacts and then flags go up immediately.
When we have a fair and consistent disciplinary system, I'll think of the children. Until then, it's every county for themselves.
A fair and consistent disciplinary system you ask for? As the famous John McEnroe used to say 'You cannot be serious'.
There has been allegations of biting and eye-gouging from members of this Dublin team and it hasn't been addressed. Ok they were allegations but there is no smoke without fire.
Connolly is well able to dish it out and I can think of a certain O'Byrne Cup game against my own county where he could have done serious damage. The audacity of some Dubs coming on here to whinge about the attention that Connolly gets is nothing short of laughable.
Always the victim.
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Quote from: mup on June 12, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
if I were a ref I'd be more worried about implementing the rules. In this case why didn't the ref throw up the ball and control the game as soon as he was set up upon by three players?
Every single game he plays he gets clattered late every time he lays off the ball, it's open season on him. No-one sees anything until he inevitably reacts and then flags go up immediately.
When we have a fair and consistent disciplinary system, I'll think of the children. Until then, it's every county for themselves.
A fair and consistent disciplinary system you ask for? As the famous John McEnroe used to say 'You cannot be serious'.
There has been allegations of biting and eye-gouging from members of this Dublin team and it hasn't been addressed. Ok they were allegations but there is no smoke without fire.
Connolly is well able to dish it out and I can think of a certain O'Byrne Cup game against my own county where he could have done serious damage. The audacity of some Dubs coming on here to whinge about the attention that Connolly gets is nothing short of laughable.
Always the victim.
Allegations not acted upon? There was an unproven claim by a Donegal player investigated & thrown out.
Regarding anything else, sure anyone can make allegations.
I remember that game in Newbridge and thinking nothing of the incident at the time, taking a snippet and slowing it down doesnt show anything to me. It was also a stated Kildare tactic at the time (By Dinny Breen no less) to deliberately wind up Dublin players to hopefully get them a red card.
Like I said, get referee's to implement the rules and have a consistent and fair system.
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: mup on June 12, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
if I were a ref I'd be more worried about implementing the rules. In this case why didn't the ref throw up the ball and control the game as soon as he was set up upon by three players?
Every single game he plays he gets clattered late every time he lays off the ball, it's open season on him. No-one sees anything until he inevitably reacts and then flags go up immediately.
When we have a fair and consistent disciplinary system, I'll think of the children. Until then, it's every county for themselves.
A fair and consistent disciplinary system you ask for? As the famous John McEnroe used to say 'You cannot be serious'.
There has been allegations of biting and eye-gouging from members of this Dublin team and it hasn't been addressed. Ok they were allegations but there is no smoke without fire.
Connolly is well able to dish it out and I can think of a certain O'Byrne Cup game against my own county where he could have done serious damage. The audacity of some Dubs coming on here to whinge about the attention that Connolly gets is nothing short of laughable.
Always the victim.
Allegations not acted upon? There was an unproven claim by a Donegal player investigated & thrown out.
Regarding anything else, sure anyone can make allegations.
I remember that game in Newbridge and thinking nothing of the incident at the time, taking a snippet and slowing it down doesnt show anything to me. It was also a stated Kildare tactic at the time (By Dinny Breen no less) to deliberately wind up Dublin players to hopefully get them a red card.
Like I said, get referee's to implement the rules and have a consistent and fair system.
Well going by the youtube clip with Paul Kerrigan the allegations are most likely true. But I suppose you slowed that down too and it was inconclusive. Our own John Doyle was wound up by Dublin players during his playing days but choose to get on with playing. You'd swear Dublin were holier than thou.
And as far as I recall the Donegal player decided not to pursue his complaint.
All I'm hearing is from Dublin fans is how all this is a media campaign. You all have very short memories. Didn't the Dublin media campaign succeed with Lee Keegan last year. Talking out the two sides of your mouths.
The Gaa doesn't have a consistent and fair system with anything. Being from Dublin you should know that. And I don't mean it being a negative for Dublin either.
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Is that a question from someone who wants to blame the system and not take the punishment?
What signal does this handling of an official and then challenging the punishment send out?
Well going by the youtube clip with Paul Kerrigan the allegations are most likely true. But I suppose you slowed that down too and it was inconclusive. Our own John Doyle was wound up by Dublin players during his playing days but choose to get on with playing. You'd swear Dublin were holier than thou.
And as far as I recall the Donegal player decided not to pursue his complaint.
All I'm hearing is from Dublin fans is how all this is a media campaign. You all have very short memories. Didn't the Dublin media campaign succeed with Lee Keegan last year. Talking out the two sides of your mouths.
The Gaa doesn't have a consistent and fair system with anything. Being from Dublin you should know that. And I don't mean it being a negative for Dublin either.
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On that Kerrigan incident how come that never came to attention in 2010. If Cork had of lost that game would it have been a different story?
The Donegal player did not turn at hearing as would have picked up a ban himself. McGuinness forget to mention that.
Quote from: mup on June 12, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: mup on June 12, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
Well he's appealing the touch didnt merit "minor interference", and that the officials must have agreed or else he would have got a red card.
OK. Hard to see how it can't be. He wasn't rubbing his belly for him. Must have some hope, but if I was a ref I'd be very worried about the signals being sent if he does get off. He was obviously irate, and unhappy, and that's why he laid his hand on the linesman. It wasn't a 'Here, Ciaran, what's left in the game' sort of touch on the arm. If they accept that that incident is not covered by the rule, then you are definitely opening up for future incidents.
if I were a ref I'd be more worried about implementing the rules. In this case why didn't the ref throw up the ball and control the game as soon as he was set up upon by three players?
Every single game he plays he gets clattered late every time he lays off the ball, it's open season on him. No-one sees anything until he inevitably reacts and then flags go up immediately.
When we have a fair and consistent disciplinary system, I'll think of the children. Until then, it's every county for themselves.
A fair and consistent disciplinary system you ask for? As the famous John McEnroe used to say 'You cannot be serious'.
There has been allegations of biting and eye-gouging from members of this Dublin team and it hasn't been addressed. Ok they were allegations but there is no smoke without fire.
Connolly is well able to dish it out and I can think of a certain O'Byrne Cup game against my own county where he could have done serious damage. The audacity of some Dubs coming on here to whinge about the attention that Connolly gets is nothing short of laughable.
Always the victim.
Allegations not acted upon? There was an unproven claim by a Donegal player investigated & thrown out.
Regarding anything else, sure anyone can make allegations.
I remember that game in Newbridge and thinking nothing of the incident at the time, taking a snippet and slowing it down doesnt show anything to me. It was also a stated Kildare tactic at the time (By Dinny Breen no less) to deliberately wind up Dublin players to hopefully get them a red card.
Like I said, get referee's to implement the rules and have a consistent and fair system.
Well going by the youtube clip with Paul Kerrigan the allegations are most likely true. But I suppose you slowed that down too and it was inconclusive. Our own John Doyle was wound up by Dublin players during his playing days but choose to get on with playing. You'd swear Dublin were holier than thou.
And as far as I recall the Donegal player decided not to pursue his complaint.
All I'm hearing is from Dublin fans is how all this is a media campaign. You all have very short memories. Didn't the Dublin media campaign succeed with Lee Keegan last year. Talking out the two sides of your mouths.
The Gaa doesn't have a consistent and fair system with anything. Being from Dublin you should know that. And I don't mean it being a negative for Dublin either.
I don't believe a snippit of YouTube is admissible as evidence, if you have an unedited piece of video for me to comment on, I'll happily do so.
The Donegal player chose not to pursue his complaint? In the forum where the person who was complained about by Jim McGuinness was afforded a right of reply? There is a process there and the charge was unproven.
Media campaigns between Dublin and Mayo are nothing new, Horan wheeled out the ex-players and local journalists to spin lies in 2012, if someone in Dublin did the same then it was just evening the score.
You're missing the point, we could spend the whole day in whataboutery - the whole fact that the three Carlow players & Maor uisce aren't part of the conversation shows just how much of a joke our system is.
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Is that a question from someone who wants to blame the system and not take the punishment?
What signal does this handling of an official and then challenging the punishment send out?
What Connolly did was completely wrong and he should be suspended.
Whether he should accept his punishment from the GAA Kangaroo courts is another matter - I don't believe he should.
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Totally out of character ;) ;) ;) :P :P
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 12, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Totally out of character ;) ;) ;) :P :P
Is he the Down lad that training Carlow? Meant to be a decent trainer.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Under rule are three players allowed physically remonstrate with a player off the field of play? If not, why is it Connolly's job to complain about it? Why didn't the ref throw up the ball at that point? Why didn't the linesman tell the ref what had happened? Why wasn't it included in the supposed debriefing?
Are team officials allowed roar at match officials in order to influence their decisions?
'You cannot put your hand on an official' though.
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Is that a question from someone who wants to blame the system and not take the punishment?
What signal does this handling of an official and then challenging the punishment send out?
What Connolly did was completely wrong and he should be suspended.
Whether he should accept his punishment from the GAA Kangaroo courts is another matter - I don't believe he should.
You either accept the punishment or you don't.
Very strange. So because there was a bit of pushing and shoving between players, it explains Connolly pushing a linesman, and pointing his finger in his face because he disagreed with a decision on a line ball? Or because team officials roar at refs, that explains it?
Your stance is that all of the above should be punished, or else nothing should be punished?
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Is that a question from someone who wants to blame the system and not take the punishment?
What signal does this handling of an official and then challenging the punishment send out?
What Connolly did was completely wrong and he should be suspended.
Whether he should accept his punishment from the GAA Kangaroo courts is another matter - I don't believe he should.
You either accept the punishment or you don't.
Thanks for clearing up that ambiguity
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 12, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Totally out of character ;) ;) ;) :P :P
Is that yon Poacher boy?
Had the misfortune/fortune of watching him manage his club a while back.
Barking mad. Makes Davy look like a choirboy
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 12, 2017, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
He definitely gets a hard time. No question. But part of the reason he gets a hard time is because he's so easy to wind up. You would think that at this stage, with his experience, he'd be able to handle opponents winding him up, or some wrong decision. It's a major flaw in his approach to the game.
it is a major flaw and this process is going to be a circus.
It's also incumbent on the referee and his assistant's to implement the rules and I wonder how much longer that treatment would persist.
Did the three Carlow players and Maoir uisce feature in the alleged 'debriefing' I wonder? I think we all know the answer to that.
Like I said, when we get a consistent process we can all take the moral high ground.
Poor Dermo. Blah blah blame the ref. High moral ground. We play the Dublin way. Our philosophy.
Yeah right!
Are you happy the rules as per Official guide were implemented around this incident?
Is that a question from someone who wants to blame the system and not take the punishment?
What signal does this handling of an official and then challenging the punishment send out?
What Connolly did was completely wrong and he should be suspended.
Whether he should accept his punishment from the GAA Kangaroo courts is another matter - I don't believe he should.
You either accept the punishment or you don't.
Thanks for clearing up that ambiguity
Good stuff, saw you were getting bit confused so kept it nice and simple.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
Very strange. So because there was a bit of pushing and shoving between players, it explains Connolly pushing a linesman, and pointing his finger in his face because he disagreed with a decision on a line ball? Or because team officials roar at refs, that explains it?
Your stance is that all of the above should be punished, or else nothing should be punished?
Your stance is very strange and is symptomatic of the selective rule book in the GAA.
Referee's should implement the rules consistently and not be worrying about letting the game flow.
My stance is that all incidents should be punished. But just because one isn't, doesn't mean the other one shouldn't. That's a path to madness.
Connolly pushed a linesman, and should serve his 12 weeks. End of story.
Whether the Carlow lads should have got a yellow card (very debatable) for trying to take the ball off him is a completely different matter.
What rule did the referee not apply?
If he didn't see the push at the time, then what was he to do.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
My stance is that all incidents should be punished. But just because one isn't, doesn't mean the other one shouldn't. That's a path to madness.
Connolly pushed a linesman, and should serve his 12 weeks. End of story.
Whether the Carlow lads should have got a yellow card (very debatable) for trying to take the ball off him is a completely different matter.
You didn't answer my earlier question though.
Is a third man allowed physically confront an opposition player? What about a fourth? Is it a yellow card offence or more serious?
You seem to be casually dismissing this as a bit of pushing and shoving.
That's all it was. If anything it's a yellow card. No one struck. So I'm not sure what question you are asking me?
Either way, you are drawing a false equivalence between a ref not punishing something, and Connolly pushing the linesman. Why?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
My stance is that all incidents should be punished. But just because one isn't, doesn't mean the other one shouldn't. That's a path to madness.
Connolly pushed a linesman, and should serve his 12 weeks. End of story.
Whether the Carlow lads should have got a yellow card (very debatable) for trying to take the ball off him is a completely different matter.
Connolly should have let go of the ball. What do people want the Carlow players to do, ask him politely "would you awfully mind giving me the ball back dear chap?"? It will be sending out a very bad message to players and officials all over the country if Connolly gets away with this one - it's already sending out bad signals that they're even going to appeal it.
Aussie Rules slap a 50 metre penalty if a player doesn't return the ball immediately. And immediately means exactly that - without any delay whatsoever.
That's the root cause here.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 12, 2017, 03:30:38 PM
Aussie Rules slap a 50 metre penalty if a player doesn't return the ball immediately. And immediately means exactly that - without any delay whatsoever.
That's the root cause here.
Connolly released the ball as soon as he realised the linesman had mistakenly given the sideline to Carlow.
Why were 3 Carlow lads looking to take the ball?! It wouldnt be much benefit for them to take the sideline quickly with the 3 lads standing beside other!
The Moar Uisce remonstrations further highlights the fact that the linesman (and ref who was standing very close by) adjudicated at the time that the contact warranted no further action.
I really can't understand the logic behind the diarmuid connolly supporter's believing he shouldn't be punished.
He MIGHT get off on a technicality, but that doesn't make it right!
Pushing a linesman = 12 weeks minimum (REGARDLESS OF ANY PROVOCATION).
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Under rule are three players allowed physically remonstrate with a player off the field of play? If not, why is it Connolly's job to complain about it? Why didn't the ref throw up the ball at that point? Why didn't the linesman tell the ref what had happened? Why wasn't it included in the supposed debriefing?
Are team officials allowed roar at match officials in order to influence their decisions?
'You cannot put your hand on an official' though.
You're aware that it was called (incorrectly perhaps but called nonetheless) as a Carlow ball, right? Connolly was holding on to the ball, remonstrates with with the ref, puts a hand on him and yet he's still the victim??
Sorry if already asked - If GAA reject the appeal can they increase the ban?
Quote from: WT4E on June 12, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
Sorry if already asked - If GAA reject the appeal can they increase the ban?
I want it to be so, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. We should have automatic doubling of penalties on failed appeals. This would put a stop to these frivolous proceedings.
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 12, 2017, 03:30:38 PM
Aussie Rules slap a 50 metre penalty if a player doesn't return the ball immediately. And immediately means exactly that - without any delay whatsoever.
That's the root cause here.
Connolly released the ball as soon as he realised the linesman had mistakenly given the sideline to Carlow.
Why were 3 Carlow lads looking to take the ball?! It wouldnt be much benefit for them to take the sideline quickly with the 3 lads standing beside other!
The Moar Uisce remonstrations further highlights the fact that the linesman (and ref who was standing very close by) adjudicated at the time that the contact warranted no further action.
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Quote from: Hardy on June 12, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 12, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
Sorry if already asked - If GAA reject the appeal can they increase the ban?
I want it to be so, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. We should have automatic doubling of penalties on failed appeals. This would put a stop to these frivolous proceedings.
That would do something. Or even pay the full costs similar to civil law when you take a case and lose. The problem then of course is the bigger counties with more resources would push ahead no matter.
I'm very disappointed that Connolly/Dublin seem to have done an about turn on this and are requesting a hearing. The punishment should have been accepted, plain and simple. I believe the suspension will not be overturned though. I simply cannot see how they make a case. They must be intending to go all the way to the DRA which is sad.
My belief is that the Hearings committee can issue a longer suspension if they see fit. It would be unusual but within their power.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 12, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
I'm very disappointed that Connolly/Dublin seem to have done an about turn on this and are requesting a hearing. The punishment should have been accepted, plain and simple. I believe the suspension will not be overturned though. I simply cannot see how they make a case. They must be intending to go all the way to the DRA which is sad.
My belief is that the Hearings committee can issue a longer suspension if they see fit. It would be unusual but within their power.
Joe Brolly had an article about this in the independent yesterday. Basically says everything I've been saying about this from the start. The connolly touch on the linesmans shoulder was so trivial that the officials adjudicated that it wasn't worthy of any sanction. It is ridiculous for any player to miss the best part of the season for such a minor incident. A 12 week ban ruling him out of all club and county action and hurling also is way way too severe a punishment for an incident which if it had been any other player, particularly a carlow player, wouldn't have been mentioned after the game.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 12, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
I'm very disappointed that Connolly/Dublin seem to have done an about turn on this and are requesting a hearing. The punishment should have been accepted, plain and simple. I believe the suspension will not be overturned though. I simply cannot see how they make a case. They must be intending to go all the way to the DRA which is sad.
My belief is that the Hearings committee can issue a longer suspension if they see fit. It would be unusual but within their power.
The CHC can increase the sanction. At club level they would be unaware of what sanction the relevant CCC have proposed.
I can't see why there is such piety that some rules should be sacrosanct and others aren't.
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Absolutely. I understand that. I also understand the frustration when other get away with other stuff. However this is important. If the GAA is seen as being soft on protecting its officials, then we're heading down a dangerous path.
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Anyone that thinks DC will get banned is away with the fairies.
If procedure had been followed and he had been sent off then a 12 week ban was a certainty - the way it has been done thought is a balls and it looks like the lads are trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.
If he does get off it will be a very strange message to send. I'm disappointed he's appealing, because he can't appeal severity of sentence, that's the minimum. He can't appeal that he didn't touch the linesman, because it's obvious, so it must be some sort of procedural point he is appealing on.
It's a procedural technicality he'll be looking for so CHC will upload the suspension and then it's appeal & DRA.
While he's totally guilty, I find the piety a little hard to take - the whole GAA disciplinary system depends on which game features on the Sunday game and who's the analyst. Graham Reilly get a long spell on the sidelines after the Dublin v Meath game last year?
The CCCC will zealously consider phone cam evidence of infractions sent to them by post. If they cannot identify who the protagonists are, the Tommy Lee Jones wannabees will hunt them down until the evil doers are snitched out and justice is served.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Absolutely. I understand that. I also understand the frustration when other get away with other stuff. However this is important. If the GAA is seen as being soft on protecting its officials, then we're heading down a dangerous path.
But considering the complete balls up made, is it not possible (likely) that the officials themselves felt they didn't need 'protecting'?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 12, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2017, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Under rule are three players allowed physically remonstrate with a player off the field of play? If not, why is it Connolly's job to complain about it? Why didn't the ref throw up the ball at that point? Why didn't the linesman tell the ref what had happened? Why wasn't it included in the supposed debriefing?
Are team officials allowed roar at match officials in order to influence their decisions?
'You cannot put your hand on an official' though.
You're aware that it was called (incorrectly perhaps but called nonetheless) as a Carlow ball, right? Connolly was holding on to the ball, remonstrates with with the ref, puts a hand on him and yet he's still the victim??
Thats what t looks like to me. Mind boggling stuff.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
FFS, if Branagan actually believed for one second that he was being pushed around, he would have told the ref to issue a red card instantly.
But sure he was pushed, surely there's no question about that?
Not in my mind no. But there seems to have been in the linesman and ref's. Otherwise why not take immediate action?
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
FFS, if Branagan actually believed for one second that he was being pushed around, he would have told the ref to issue a red card instantly.
Obviously the linesman saw the incident and decided not to alert the ref. However, per the rules, if the ref didn't see it, then he can't be considered to have adjudicated on it at the time and so any sanction afterwards is valid
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Absolutely. I understand that. I also understand the frustration when other get away with other stuff. However this is important. If the GAA is seen as being soft on protecting its officials, then we're heading down a dangerous path.
As an Armagh man, that frustration is high for me given Geezers ban.
I wish the ref had have just sent Connolly off and then all this discussion would not be happening
Quote from: Gael85 on June 12, 2017, 02:31:14 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 12, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
Heffo, what would you ask be done to the 3 Carlow lads? The Maor Uisce didn't do much except jump up and down and roar and shout.
All Connolly had to do, as hundreds of times every year, is do a bit of pulling and dragging, and then drop the ball and walk away. He only got thick when he saw the line ball was for Carlow. He wasn't complaining about the Carlow lads trying to take the ball off him.
Totally out of character ;) ;) ;) :P :P
Is he the Down lad that training Carlow? Meant to be a decent trainer.
Thats him. Stevie Poacher. He certainly knows what he's doing when it comes to preparing teams. He has been with our club for about 5 or 6 years now. Working wonders with our lads but barking mad on the sideline...Davy Fitz is Mother Teresa compared to him (sorry Stevie ;)) but a sound man who will get a big job soon.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Absolutely. I understand that. I also understand the frustration when other get away with other stuff. However this is important. If the GAA is seen as being soft on protecting its officials, then we're heading down a dangerous path.
As an Armagh man, that frustration is high for me given Geezers ban.
I wish the ref had have just sent Connolly off and then all this discussion would not be happening
The bottom line is, if this had been joe bloggs from carlow who had touched brannigans shoulder none of the sky tv boys would've been interested in it and the ref wouldn't have been told to put it in his report. Let's face it, it was a completely trivial incident which has been blown way out of proportion. A 12 week ban is ridiculous in this situation.
I genuinely don't think that's true. Let's be honest here, he didn't 'touch his shoulder' he pushed him back. If it was a Carlow lad I'd be saying the same.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
I genuinely don't think that's true. Let's be honest here, he didn't 'touch his shoulder' he pushed him back. If it was a Carlow lad I'd be saying the same.
Branagan had to take two or three steps backwards so he obviously put a bit of force into the push. "Nothing incident" my backside.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2017, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
I genuinely don't think that's true. Let's be honest here, he didn't 'touch his shoulder' he pushed him back. If it was a Carlow lad I'd be saying the same.
Branagan had to take two or three steps backwards so he obviously put a bit of force into the push. "Nothing incident" my backside.
But why not do something about it then?
Dont forget the close up finger pointing too! Connolly has had issues but supporters try to find excuses for him! The appeal cultures by managers is rife even when players break the rules! How about a player take some self responsibility!
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 12, 2017, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2017, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
I genuinely don't think that's true. Let's be honest here, he didn't 'touch his shoulder' he pushed him back. If it was a Carlow lad I'd be saying the same.
Branagan had to take two or three steps backwards so he obviously put a bit of force into the push. "Nothing incident" my backside.
But why not do something about it then?
Officials, like players, can get caught up in the heat of the moment and upon further reflection may decide that they should have taken a different action at the time.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
You're being ridiculous. And I hate that behaviour you are talking about. There's a black card there to give to lads who 'run 100 yards to abuse them' so they have that protection. And as for cheating and diving, I'd suspend lads for that too.
Both of those pale into insignificance beside physically pushing an official, in a state of anger. And stop trying to downplay it. A light push. It was the sort of push that if you did it in a pub, you'd get a box on the snot for it. He was irate, pushed the linesman, and it caused him to take 2 steps backwards.
Is it an appeal or a hearing? Maybe he just wants to be able to train with he rest of his teammates during the 12 weeks
I find it hard to see how the GAA could let him off with this one given McGeeney's suspension for a less serious issue.
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
How old is Connolly?
If he gets off or not is irrelevant in my opinion. There will be plenty more pages added to this thread over the next few years.
Unless he's allowed to play with a zorb around him so he can't be touched but can still spray passes and kick scores.....a opposing player will inevitability do something that Diarmuid doesn't like (fairly or unfairly) and he'll bite.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 13, 2017, 08:47:10 AM
How old is Connolly?
If he gets off or not is irrelevant in my opinion. There will be plenty more pages added to this thread over the next few years.
Unless he's allowed to play with a zorb around him so he can't be touched but can still spray passes and kick scores.....a opposing player will inevitability do something that Diarmuid doesn't like (fairly or unfairly) and he'll bite.
I think that's a different lad, to be fair :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 13, 2017, 08:47:10 AM
How old is Connolly?
If he gets off or not is irrelevant in my opinion. There will be plenty more pages added to this thread over the next few years.
Unless he's allowed to play with a zorb around him so he can't be touched but can still spray passes and kick scores.....a opposing player will inevitability do something that Diarmuid doesn't like (fairly or unfairly) and he'll bite.
I think that's a different lads, to be fair :)
;)
Quote from: johnneycool on June 13, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2017, 09:41:23 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 13, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
But he isnt being done for verbal abuse so what is your point?
A 'light' touch that caused the linesman to take 2 steps backwards. What level of violence is acceptable lenny? A light open hand slap that doesn't draw blood?
People saying what about a lad that put his arm on a ref's arm in a 'ah jaysus be nice' kind of way are missing the point probably deliberately. Connolly was irate, aggressive, and in the linesman's face. After he pushed him, he then stuck his finger in his face giving out. He wasn't in any way being calm or conciliatory.
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2017, 09:41:23 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 13, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
I didn't say it was physical abuse and it wasn't a light touch on the shoulder either, it was a push to the shoulder area enough to push a grown man back a few strides. Was Branagan gravely injured, no, but neither I'm sure was the linesman that McGeeney abused or the referee that Galvin knocked the notebook from.
I'm not denying that referees don't get abused up and down the country from U12's up, but maybe just maybe its even more important to ensure that players at the top level of intercounty hurling and football are held accountable for their actions and that may trickle down to the youngsters watching. Let Connolly and the others with a history of surrounding referees and giving out sets a bad precedent thought-out the organisation and in fairness its Connolly this time, but whoever it is needs properly sanctioned.
People are missing the point here.
Did the linesman feel like some sort of foul play occurred? - this is the big issue for me. He clearly didn't. If he did, he would have brought it to the attention of the ref and an appropriate sanction would have taken place. As it was, the linesman felt that it did not fall under the remit of 'minor interference' and felt no action was required. Q mass hysteria from Sky etc and he seems to have changed his opinion after somebody got in his ear - this is where (I imagine) the appeal comes from.
Of course, I don't know how the linesman felt at the time - none of us do. But I know that if I felt like I was wronged by a player, I would bring it to the attention of the ref. The linesman didn't; so by inference, he didn't feel there was an issue.
Personally, I think he should have been sent off, end of story BUT the linesman didn't see it that way until (mysteriously) later on.
There is nothing in the rule about the linesman's feelings.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
A 'light' touch that caused the linesman to take 2 steps backwards. What level of violence is acceptable lenny? A light open hand slap that doesn't draw blood?
People saying what about a lad that put his arm on a ref's arm in a 'ah jaysus be nice' kind of way are missing the point probably deliberately. Connolly was irate, aggressive, and in the linesman's face. After he pushed him, he then stuck his finger in his face giving out. He wasn't in any way being calm or conciliatory.
No and the poor hoor of a linesman knew about Connolly's flash temper and the episode in McGowans too, you can bet.
Now if it were Berno or Clucko or any of the rest of the team, the fear factor wouldn't be so great. I don't think anyone else on the team would be regarded as a headbanger. No ifs or buts, the linesman felt he was being threatened.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
A 'light' touch that caused the linesman to take 2 steps backwards. What level of violence is acceptable lenny? A light open hand slap that doesn't draw blood?
People saying what about a lad that put his arm on a ref's arm in a 'ah jaysus be nice' kind of way are missing the point probably deliberately. Connolly was irate, aggressive, and in the linesman's face. After he pushed him, he then stuck his finger in his face giving out. He wasn't in any way being calm or conciliatory.
So you're seriously calling that touch on the shoulder violence? As it happens I think no level of violence is acceptable especially re officials. As regards contact on officials the sort of contact which is unacceptable is where the official immediately feels he has to deal with it and issue a sanction. In this case brannigan obviously thought the contact was trivial, the expression on his face never changes throughout. The officials have suspiciously added this to their match report after sky tv have made an issue out of it.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
A 'light' touch that caused the linesman to take 2 steps backwards. What level of violence is acceptable lenny? A light open hand slap that doesn't draw blood?
People saying what about a lad that put his arm on a ref's arm in a 'ah jaysus be nice' kind of way are missing the point probably deliberately. Connolly was irate, aggressive, and in the linesman's face. After he pushed him, he then stuck his finger in his face giving out. He wasn't in any way being calm or conciliatory.
No and the poor hoor of a linesman knew about Connolly's flash temper and the episode in McGowans too, you can bet.
Now if it were Berno or Clucko or any of the rest of the team, the fear factor wouldn't be so great. I don't think anyone else on the team would be regarded as a headbanger. No ifs or buts, the linesman felt he was being threatened.
did he tell you that? Because otherwise you don't know. If he was feeling so threatened why not tell the ref? FWIW, I think he should have told the ref who then should have sent Connolly off
I asked what level of violence is acceptable to you. I didn't comment on the push other than to say he was aggressive and the push caused a 2 step backwards.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the ban. It's how it has been done that seems to be the problem
Absolutely. I understand that. I also understand the frustration when other get away with other stuff. However this is important. If the GAA is seen as being soft on protecting its officials, then we're heading down a dangerous path.
As an Armagh man, that frustration is high for me given Geezers ban.
I wish the ref had have just sent Connolly off and then all this discussion would not be happening
The CCCC would still be handing out a 12 week ban, there would be an appeal and all the usual yap here muttering, sure it was only a little push, meanwhile ignoring the (presumed) strong language and his aggressive demeanor.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 13, 2017, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
Are you for real? A bit of pushing and shoving when Connolly illegally holds onto the ball is somehow equal to pushing a linesman hard enough to force him to take several steps back? Or Connolly's actions are like placing a conciliatory hand on the ref's shoulder while he hands out a yellow card?
I would say take off the blue tinted glasses but they're not so much tinted as a pair of sky blue VR lenses repeatedly showing Cluxton's winning point in 2011.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
You need to cop on FFS. False equivalence and whataboutery. Connolly shoved an official in an aggressive manner. You are trying to obfuscate by equating that with a lad putting his hand on a ref to talk to him in a friendly fashion.
Pathetic. I'm done with this conversation, and it is certainly an eye opener in how some people on here see officials. No wonder we find it hard to get refs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
Pathetic. I'm done with this conversation, and it is certainly an eye opener in how some people on here see officials. No wonder we find it hard to get refs.
That's feckin hillarious. The scene is obviously getting worse and worse everytime you play it in your head!! Please don't have a breakdown.
And maybe remember the calm way that Branagan reacted.
The finger pointing in the face was far worse that the hand on the shoulder (as was Murphy's tirade after he got red I'm sure).
People might dismiss as being a light push, but are we then happy enough to allow this sort of approach to officials filter down through the ranks?
We'll say you're a ref at a club game with 40 players togged and 50 supporters on the line and you've come there alone. Would you be happy with your decisions being disputed with a light shove?
We'll say 2 or 3 players do it in quick succession, would you still be happy that all is in order?
Maybe the manager encroaches onto the pitch and remonstrates in a similar way. All good craic, part of the game, man up etc?
I'm glad you find it funny. And it's amazing how blasé people are about an official being pushed hard enough that he takes two steps backward. Connolly deserves 12 weeks, even if the same officials have cack handedly given him an excuse to launch an appeal.
Jesus Christ we're telling young lads to respect refs and to walk away, and now they are seeing the biggest and best team in the country standing behind a player who shoved a ref. It's unreal.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 13, 2017, 01:12:31 PM
People might dismiss as being a light push, but are we then happy enough to allow this sort of approach to officials filter down through the ranks?
We'll say you're a ref at a club game with 40 players togged and 50 supporters on the line and you've come there alone. Would you be happy with your decisions being disputed with a light shove?
We'll say 2 or 3 players do it in quick succession, would you still be happy that all is in order?
Maybe the manager encroaches onto the pitch and remonstrates in a similar way. All good craic, part of the game, man up etc?
This. I just cannot understand that people think what Connolly did was acceptable. If Sean Cavanagh did it, there'd be anarchy.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
You need to cop on FFS. False equivalence and whataboutery. Connolly shoved an official in an aggressive manner. You are trying to obfuscate by equating that with a lad putting his hand on a ref to talk to him in a friendly fashion.
Pathetic. I'm done with this conversation, and it is certainly an eye opener in how some people on here see officials. No wonder we find it hard to get refs.
Your stance is certainly pathetic.
I'm 100% aware there is no equivalence, I was referring to the posters point and the ongoing narrative since that 'you can't put your hand on an official'.
I've already said that what he did was completely wrong, he should serve his suspension and you cannot push a match official.
What I have an issue with (as I've already said):
The complete stitch up way this was done - see the debrief.
The Kangaroo GAA courts.
The fact you dismiss some violence as perfectly acceptable and others will make the whole world collapse, while others proclaim themselves as dissapointed is a joke.
Finally, I've spent hundreds of hours defending referee's, travelling hundreds of miles, have been physically attacked (real violence not the fake violence that keeps you awake at night), among many others so I'll take no lecture from you on that subject.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
You need to cop on FFS. False equivalence and whataboutery. Connolly shoved an official in an aggressive manner. You are trying to obfuscate by equating that with a lad putting his hand on a ref to talk to him in a friendly fashion.
Pathetic. I'm done with this conversation, and it is certainly an eye opener in how some people on here see officials. No wonder we find it hard to get refs.
Your stance is certainly pathetic.
I'm 100% aware there is no equivalence, I was referring to the posters point and the ongoing narrative since that 'you can't put your hand on an official'.
I've already said that what he did was completely wrong, he should serve his suspension and you cannot push a match official.
What I have an issue with (as I've already said):
The complete stitch up way this was done - see the debrief.
The Kangaroo GAA courts.
The fact you dismiss some violence as perfectly acceptable and others will make the whole world collapse, while others proclaim themselves as dissapointed is a joke.
Finally, I've spent hundreds of hours defending referee's, travelling hundreds of miles, have been physically attacked (real violence not the fake violence that keeps you awake at night), among many others so I'll take no lecture from you on that subject.
Bullshit
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 01:19:04 PM
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Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 13, 2017, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
What level of violence is acceptable lenny?
What level of violence is acceptable to you?
You pick and choose and dismiss three players using 'violence' against Connolly off the pitch as a bit of harmless pushing and shoving.
Completely different thing when an official is touched.
There were five instances of officials being touched over the weekend and no sanction.
And how many of those players did so in an aggressive manner causing an official to take two backward steps due to the force exerted upon him?
Get your story straight
You need to cop on FFS. False equivalence and whataboutery. Connolly shoved an official in an aggressive manner. You are trying to obfuscate by equating that with a lad putting his hand on a ref to talk to him in a friendly fashion.
Pathetic. I'm done with this conversation, and it is certainly an eye opener in how some people on here see officials. No wonder we find it hard to get refs.
Your stance is certainly pathetic.
I'm 100% aware there is no equivalence, I was referring to the posters point and the ongoing narrative since that 'you can't put your hand on an official'.
I've already said that what he did was completely wrong, he should serve his suspension and you cannot push a match official.
What I have an issue with (as I've already said):
The complete stitch up way this was done - see the debrief.
The Kangaroo GAA courts.
The fact you dismiss some violence as perfectly acceptable and others will make the whole world collapse, while others proclaim themselves as dissapointed is a joke.
Finally, I've spent hundreds of hours defending referee's, travelling hundreds of miles, have been physically attacked (real violence not the fake violence that keeps you awake at night), among many others so I'll take no lecture from you on that subject.
Bullshit
That about sums up your inconsistent position alright.
What was done wrong here and what kangaroo courts?A lot assumptions being made it seems.
If the ref didn't see it at the time he can include it in his report.
Nope it sums up your attempts to muddy the waters on this thread. For what it's worth, this is what I think of your latest attempt.
I've already said that what he did was completely wrong, he should serve his suspension and you cannot push a match official. Completely agree. So why the whataboutery? Is it not just enough to say he was wrong, and he deserves his ban?
What I have an issue with (as I've already said):
The complete stitch up way this was done - see the debrief.
I don't know if it was a stitch up, but I agree he should have been sent off, as Evan Comerford was.
The Kangaroo GAA courts. No argument there, it's not fit for purpose. However part of what makes it a joke are appeals like this based on some loophole, rather than on a person's belief that they did not do what they are charged with.
The fact you dismiss some violence as perfectly acceptable and others will make the whole world collapse, while others proclaim themselves as dissapointed is a joke.
Not sure what you mean by this. But if you mean that I put player-on-referee physical contact on a more serious plane than player-on-player, yes I do. Do I condone violent incidents by players on other players? Absolutely not. But again, if what you are asking me is do I believe what Connolly did is worse than what the 3 Carlow lads did, then yes, absolutely I do.
It is pretty clear the facts of the matter:
What Connolly did deserved a red card and a 12 week ban. All this but but but is complete nonsense. He hasnt been banned for verbals. What happened when'x' player hugged a referee last year means nothing either.
Anyone that thinks he doesnt deserve a red card & 12 week ban is a Dub or worse is happy for aggressive action towards a referee on a field.
The disgraceful part of all this is that he didnt get a red, nothing happened at the time and now the kangaroo courts/powers that be are looking a retrospective ban because the linesman/referee hadnt the balls to do it at the time.
Yet another complete shambles by the GAA when it comes to disciplinary
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
AZ, you are 100% right here.
It's amazing what some people will try to defend when it is a player in their own county colours.
As an organisation, it is time we got tough on frivolous appeals. Personally, I think no player should ever get off on a technicality.
If you commit a red offence then you get the appropriate ban REGARDLESS of whether the ref makes a balls of writing it in his report or if some fella from the opposition got off last year.
The culture of appeals in GAA is crazy at the moment.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 13, 2017, 01:13:00 PM
I'm glad you find it funny. And it's amazing how blasé people are about an official being pushed hard enough that he takes two steps backward. Connolly deserves 12 weeks, even if the same officials have cack handedly given him an excuse to launch an appeal.
Jesus Christ we're telling young lads to respect refs and to walk away, and now they are seeing the biggest and best team in the country standing behind a player who shoved a ref. It's unreal.
I wouldn't consider a shove to knock you a step back hard. If it put him over on his arse, maybe.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Agreed. The other players should all face a 12 week ban if Connolly does.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
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Quote from: johnneycool on June 13, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
I find it impossible to believe that some people are attempting to equate a friendly hand on the shoulder of a ref and Connolly actions against Carlow. I'd like to thinking they are just wumming.
For a person on here to claim they have spent hours defending Gaa officials and then turn around and say Connollys incident is farcical is nothing short of a hypocrite. I'm assuming you are part of a disciplinary committee in your own county and if so then you should be ashamed of yourself.
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
a friendly tap or pat is not interference. Connolly pushed branagan while aggressively pointing a finger and shouting at him.
having said that 12 weeks in the middle of summer is a ridiculous punishment for such an offense . if it happened in the league final he'd harldy miss a game at all this way he misses the whole leinster championship
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
Rule 7.2 Infractions
Category V
(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a
hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline
Official.
(ii) Threatening language to a Referee, Umpire,
Linesman or Sideline Official.
(iii) Threatening or abusive conduct towards
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline
Official.
Penalties:
(1) Minimum: 12 weeks Suspension in all Codes
and at all Levels;
(2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 24 weeks
Suspension in all Codes and at all Levels.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
a friendly tap or pat is not interference. Connolly pushed branagan while aggressively pointing a finger and shouting at him.
having said that 12 weeks in the middle of summer is a ridiculous punishment for such an offense . if it happened in the league final he'd harldy miss a game at all this way he misses the whole leinster championship
but it is laying a hand on the referee which according to what Hardy posted constitutes minor physical interference??
I'm just playing Devil's advocate here. I think Connolly deserves his ban but with everyone talking about other players getting away with it I wanted to know what the rule actually was
Im absolutely stunned at some of the comments on this thread, especially from posters whose opinions are usually spot on and folk I'd respect. The media highlighting of certain incidents is inconsistent and unfair to a large degree but nothing can be done about that sadly. In this case, Connolly is a very high profile player on the highest profile team in gaelic football. Throw in his poor disciplinary record and legal troubles and you have pure gold fro the media. Frustrating if he's your player but it's merely a side issue.
I honestly believe if this was any other player they'd have got the same suspension. Regardless, he has got the correct suspension. And that's all a disciplinary system or any system can hope to do.....provide the correct outcome.
Regarding the "debrief" - I think it's possible there is an explanation for why no action was taken at the time. Connolly has acted very aggressively to the linesman, pushing him and pointing the finger at him in an irate manner. Linesman maybe thinking, "shit, perhaps I got the line ball wrong" and rather than raise his flag to bring ref over (with an irate, pumped up Connolly beside him) decides to let play go on and get the fcuk outta dodge. This all happens in seconds. Refs/officials are human. I'm only guessing but lets be honest - refs don't always get things right. However, it is now in the match report, as it should be, and the correct suspension has been proposed. I cannot see how Connolly or Dublin can have a gripe. If they're annoyed about media attention then you'd have to remind them of their multi million sponsorship deals and why they get them. Can't have it every way. I also think there has to come a time where Diarmuid Connolly learns there's a consequence for losing the head. He has been protected by Vinnies/Dublin GAA admirably (admirable in lots of ways) but there comes a time when he needs to learn a hard lesson.
There is no game without referees.
There are flaws with the GAA disciplinary system and on top of that very few people understand it. Also, when people get suspensions lifted/overturned the reasons why are not made public so people just think it's due to s stroke being pulled when most of the time that's not the reason in fairness.
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Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2017, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
a friendly tap or pat is not interference. Connolly pushed branagan while aggressively pointing a finger and shouting at him.
having said that 12 weeks in the middle of summer is a ridiculous punishment for such an offense . if it happened in the league final he'd harldy miss a game at all this way he misses the whole leinster championship
but it is laying a hand on the referee which according to what Hardy posted constitutes minor physical interference??
If and when I was playing I'd be very slow to put a hand on a ref or linesman. I only ever shook hands with them before or after a game......genuinely can't remember ever laying my hands on an official at any stage. Too much of a risk. I think there has to be that barrier. I didn't see the other incidents referred to but I'd just say lads are taking an awful chance. The Gooch one that was publicised earlier - he could have been in trouble there. Other cases where things might not have been done correctly don't change any of the facts here though.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2017, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
what does the actually rule state? Does it say you can interfere with an official so long as it is in a friendly manner? Or does it say no interference at all?
a friendly tap or pat is not interference. Connolly pushed branagan while aggressively pointing a finger and shouting at him.
having said that 12 weeks in the middle of summer is a ridiculous punishment for such an offense . if it happened in the league final he'd harldy miss a game at all this way he misses the whole leinster championship
but it is laying a hand on the referee which according to what Hardy posted constitutes minor physical interference??
If and when I was playing I'd be very slow to put a hand on a ref or linesman. I only ever shook hands with them before or after a game......genuinely can't remember ever laying my hands on an official at any stage. Too much of a risk. I think there has to be that barrier. I didn't see the other incidents referred to but I'd just say lads are taking an awful chance. The Gooch one that was publicised earlier - he could have been in trouble there. Other cases where things might not have been done correctly don't change any of the facts here though.
I agree and in some of the other cases being mentioned I don't think there is anything in it but the rule does say
Rule 7.2 Infractions
Category V
(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a
hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline
Official.
I don't know about the debrief but I think he deserves his ban but cant blme him for appealing if there is a technicality he can get off on
I also think the ban should only apply to playing, not training
We need to STOP talking about Diarmuid.
29 pages, ffs.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
We need to STOP talking about Diarmuid.
29 pages, ffs.
Ah no it needs to keep going, this thread is hilarious!
Connelly should give up the football and play hurling full time. Aren't his parents both from Kilkenny?
It would be absolutely brilliant if the penalty gets increased to 16 weeks.
Should get 24 weeks
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Quote from: mup on June 13, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
I find it impossible to believe that some people are attempting to equate a friendly hand on the shoulder of a ref and Connolly actions against Carlow. I'd like to thinking they are just wumming.
For a person on here to claim they have spent hours defending Gaa officials and then turn around and say Connollys incident is farcical is nothing short of a hypocrite. I'm assuming you are part of a disciplinary committee in your own county and if so then you should be ashamed of yourself.
Did you read the rule?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
If you shake hands with the ref, are you breaking that rule?
If not, why not?
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
We need to STOP talking about Diarmuid.
29 pages, ffs.
Ah no it needs to keep going, this thread is hilarious!
Connelly should give up the football and play hurling full time. Aren't his parents both from Kilkenny?
At least one, but he also has strong Leitrim connections.
Even prior to this incident there was talk he'd concentrate on hurling next year and see how far he gets. Those in the know would say he would have been a certain starter for the Dubs hurlers if he'd concentrated on it throughout his career, but unlikely to have been the star he was in football. Hard to know now whether he could be good enough to break in next year at 30/31, certainly not the shoe-in that Keaney was, for example. Probably more like Shane Ryan who was in-and-out when he switched.
Although personally I hope he sticks with the big ball!
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
If you shake hands with the ref, are you breaking that rule?
If not, why not?
It's not physical interference. It's not even placing your hands on him. It's a goodwill gesture.
Now if you grabbed his hand and pulled him aggressively it would be different. But clear.
The hearing is tonight right? Any word?
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Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
If you shake hands with the ref, are you breaking that rule?
If not, why not?
It's not physical interference. It's not even placing your hands on him. It's a goodwill gesture.
Now if you grabbed his hand and pulled him aggressively it would be different. But clear.
I would agree with you, but technically the rule refers to 'minor physical interference' as follows:
(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a
hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline
Official.It's the 'laying a hand on' bit that's open to interpretation, which is why you have clowns on Twitter pausing the Sunday Game to take a screenshots of players touching the ref's arm to get his attention.
Connolly's action was undoubtedly aggressive, and was undoubtedly a push, but the wording of the rule needs to change.
Obviously I don't think players shaking hands with the ref is an issue, but these cases are effectively subject to legal defence standards, and that's the sort of vague characterisation that any legal type would drive a bus through.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2017, 09:40:55 PM
The hearing is tonight right? Any word?
Update expected at 3am.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
If you shake hands with the ref, are you breaking that rule?
If not, why not?
It's not physical interference. It's not even placing your hands on him. It's a goodwill gesture.
Now if you grabbed his hand and pulled him aggressively it would be different. But clear.
I would agree with you, but technically the rule refers to 'minor physical interference' as follows:
(i) Minor physical interference (e.g. laying a
hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling) with
a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline
Official.
It's the 'laying a hand on' bit that's open to interpretation, which is why you have clowns on Twitter pausing the Sunday Game to take a screenshots of players touching the ref's arm to get his attention.
Connolly's action was undoubtedly aggressive, and was undoubtedly a push, but the wording of the rule needs to change.
Obviously I don't think players shaking hands with the ref is an issue, but these cases are effectively subject to legal defence standards, and that's the sort of vague characterisation that any legal type would drive a bus through.
The rule says you're not allowed to lay a hand on the referee. Generally handshakes are reciprocal, you offer your hand and they off theirs and you shake. If they don't offer back then it would not be ok.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED LAY YOUR HAND ON A MATCH OFFICIAL.
That's the rule Connolly got done under and it's a bit of a nothing incident in reality. He was singled out and had certain elements of the GAA media call for a ban for who he was, rather than the gravity of what he did. By virtue of the rules he committed the same infraction as other players this weekend.
Connolly's little shove was not much of a push either. Let us be honest here.
Quote from: laoislad on June 13, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 13, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
We need to STOP talking about Diarmuid.
29 pages, ffs.
Ah no it needs to keep going, this thread is hilarious!
Connelly should give up the football and play hurling full time. Aren't his parents both from Kilkenny?
I thought his da was from the Dandy comic.
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Quote from: heffo on June 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
If you shake hands with the ref, are you breaking that rule?
If not, why not?
Gobshite
That was an interesting one with Brendan Murphy. So many times we have seen 2 yellows where the first one was soft and the second deserved. And while there'd be an element of sympathy for the player getting red, the overriding feeling would be he should have been more careful knowing he was on a yellow. Never heard of a first yellow being rescinded before. Good for him though.
On to the Central Appeals Committee for Connolly presumably
Ironic thing for Connolly is that if he'd done something a little bit worse that actually caused offence to the officials at the time, he probably would have got yellow or black and that'd have been the end of it
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That was an interesting one with Brendan Murphy. So many times we have seen 2 yellows where the first one was soft and the second deserved. And while there'd be an element of sympathy for the player getting red, the overriding feeling would be he should have been more careful knowing he was on a yellow. Never heard of a first yellow being rescinded before. Good for him though.
On to the Central Appeals Committee for Connolly presumably
Ironic thing for Connolly is that if he'd done something a little bit worse that actually caused offence to the officials at the time, he probably would have got yellow or black and that'd have been the end of it
Murphy hit Kilkenny with a closed fist for first yellow, had committed 3/4 dangerous foul before that. Surprised he wasn't censored for verbal abuse against Brannigan.
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Surprised he wasn't censored for verbal abuse against Brannigan.
Unless Brannigan notified it to the referee for inclusion in the referee's report, it's a dead letter.
Quote from: Hound on June 14, 2017, 07:19:34 AM
That was an interesting one with Brendan Murphy. So many times we have seen 2 yellows where the first one was soft and the second deserved. And while there'd be an element of sympathy for the player getting red, the overriding feeling would be he should have been more careful knowing he was on a yellow. Never heard of a first yellow being rescinded before. Good for him though.
On to the Central Appeals Committee for Connolly presumably
Ironic thing for Connolly is that if he'd done something a little bit worse that actually caused offence to the officials at the time, he probably would have got yellow or black and that'd have been the end of it
Where do get the the idea "that'd have been the end of it"? You still don't get it, even after 30 pages.
In any circumstance, yellow, black, red or no card, if there is clear video evidence of a player mouthing off to an official and pushing him with the hand, a CCCC inquiry in merited and would land the player with an an inevitable 12 week ban. Have you not read the rules of procedure? Any incident can be referred by the CCCC back to the officials for another viewing.
In this example, the officials would have to admit in the face of the obvious evidence, that Connolly did shout at and push the official back with an amount of aggression. The penalty is then applied by the CCCC , regardless of what action the officials previously took on the pitch.
What happens now? When does he get off?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have these Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
If he committed the offense and wasn't correctly punished, of course it's fair on him.
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
If he committed the offense and wasn't correctly punished, of course it's fair on him.
Well then we are in the realm of 'make it up as you go along'.
As far as I was aware, the ref and linesman were in agreement that he didn't need to be 'correctly punished'.
With the championship now in full swing is it not amazing that the busiest topic by far on this forum is not any of the games but the bold Diarmuid. What would we do without the lad?
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What would we do without the lad?
Make up an appeal of some kind, I suppose.
:P
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With the championship now in full swing is it not amazing that the busiest topic by far on this forum is not any of the games but the bold Diarmuid. What would we do without the lad?
Roscommon haven't even entered the 2017 Championship yet. There's never even half a swing until we arrive.
Jim Gavin sent this card to Diarmuid this morning.
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Am amazed by some of the opinions on here over the last few days but obviously some are just on the wind up.
For those who seem to be saying Connolly hardly touched the linesman surely they can tell the difference between putting an arm around the ref or an official in a method of chatting to him about his decision as opposed to pushing him back a few steps and shouting and pointing.
One is wishing to calmly have a discussion and give their opinion calmly and the other is much more aggressive.
Most reasonable people I think accept that as have most Dubs I've heard talking about it but where some people are taking issue is the old chestnut of who why does the CCCC only get involved in some incidents and is it depended on the media's coverage of the incidents.
Many would argue that if the match wasn't on live TV and was say the Offaly v Westmeath game then the CCCC would not have got involved.
Whilst I can see this side of the argument the fact still remains that the incident did happen, it wasn't dealt with at the time by the ref, the linesman brought it to the refs attention afterwards and then the CCCC dealt with it then afterwards
What I would like to see is the GAA clarify for once and for all the rules about that the CCCC can ask the referee to review his decision in light of something he didn't deal with. I would actually wish they would change this rule to extend it to allowing the referee to change his mind over a decision he made. Why leave it so vague?
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Whilst I can see this side of the argument the fact still remains that the incident did happen, it wasn't dealt with at the time by the ref, the linesman brought it to the refs attention afterwards and then the CCCC dealt with it then afterwards
The thing is, some of what you said there is not true.
In my opinion, this is very similar to when a lad roars at a ref "fook off, ya ballix" in instant reaction to what seems a rubbish decision. The ref has to make a decision whether to let it go or not, even though techncially it's a serious offence.
What Connolly has been charged with is a really serious offence. The officials I would say know full well the rules and know that this is something that carries a 3 month ban from all GAA activities. He can't even go back to his club and train with the 2nd team. And I know how the rule is written, but clearly officials have discretion whether to let things go or whether to impose the letter of the law (otherwise everyone who curses in the direction of the ref would be carded)
The linesman was right there and decided to do nothing. The referee was looking straight at it and decided to do nothing. No red card, no black card, no yellow card, not even a talking to. The ref just signalled for Carlow to take the line ball. Reports now that he noted the incident in his book, although it couldnt have been exactly then as he followed play, but perhaps it was in the next break. But if he noted it, why not make a decision on punishment there and then? Also reported that the incident wasn't in the initial ref's report but was added as an addendum. Why not in the initial report? What changed to add it later?
Of course Connolly did wrong. In full view of linesman and referee. All I'd like to know is why they thought at the time it was a nothing incident, not even worthy of a talking to, never mind a yellow or black card. And then changed their mind (at some later stage, not immediately after the game, but within 24 hours of it) that it should be a red card offence worthy of a 3 month ban from all GAA activity? Can they really say they did not adjudicate on the matter at the time? Did they just suddenly remember sometime that night or the following morning that a nudge of a linesman isnt allowed?
I think Dublin have a right to know exactly what process was followed and thus are right to appeal.
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
If he committed the offense and wasn't correctly punished, of course it's fair on him.
Well then we are in the realm of 'make it up as you go along'.
As far as I was aware, the ref and linesman were in agreement that he didn't need to be 'correctly punished'.
what do you think they are making up as they go along?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
You did!
As you confirmed in your previous post, no player should push a linesman and escape punishment.
What Freud is not purported to have said, but should have, 'Irish people are genetically indisposed to understanding due process'. In it's stead, emotional reactions and mind reading have become much valued criteria.
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What Freud is not purported to have said, but should have, 'Irish people are genetically indisposed to understanding due process'. In it's stead, emotional reactions and mind reading have become much valued criteria.
These two mechanisms of adjudication have achieved a revered status in GAA discourse as "common sense".
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
If he committed the offense and wasn't correctly punished, of course it's fair on him.
Well then we are in the realm of 'make it up as you go along'.
As far as I was aware, the ref and linesman were in agreement that he didn't need to be 'correctly punished'.
what do you think they are making up as they go along?
The disciplinary process for doling out punishments/suspensions.
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
You did!
As you confirmed in your previous post, no player should push a linesman and escape punishment.
Absolutely no player should push an official - red card + ban.
In this instance the linesman originally felt there was no need to take this matter further. I'm not sure whether I agree with him or not but that's his decision. It's how it becomes an issue later on is what's troubling? Why did he change his mind? Was he influenced?
Why wasn't he sent off?
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
You did!
As you confirmed in your previous post, no player should push a linesman and escape punishment.
Absolutely no player should push an official - red card + ban.
In this instance the linesman originally felt there was no need to take this matter further. I'm not sure whether I agree with him or not but that's his decision. It's how it becomes an issue later on is what's troubling? Why did he change his mind? Was he influenced?
Why wasn't he sent off?
Is it citing you seem to to have trouble with? I finding it hard to understand where you stand on this. The GAA is well within its rights to address these issues retroactively to ensure the rules are correctly applied.
Apologies for not being clear, repeating myself.
My issue is with the 360 turn by the ref and linesman.
They both knew exactly what happened and must've felt no action was required - no card.
Fast forward and it finds itself in the ref's report. Why the change of heart? Was there outside influence - media etc?
Connollys entitled to a fair process but this is not the case here. Send him off, otherwise as the officials had a clear view, it should not appear in the report.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 14, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
Apologies for not being clear, repeating myself.
My issue is with the 360 turn by the ref and linesman.
They both knew exactly what happened and must've felt no action was required - no card.
Fast forward and it finds itself in the ref's report. Why the change of heart? Was there outside influence - media etc?
Connollys entitled to a fair process but this is not the case here. Send him off, otherwise as the officials had a clear view, it should not appear in the report.
Why does it matter? The important thing is that manhandling of the official has been punished and players at all levels know where they stand. If that hadn't happened, would you be happy with the message that sends out? Even if it happened as a result of someone from the CCCC contacting the ref and suggesting he should take another look at it, where's the harm in that?
Having said that, my suggestion for what happened:
The ref. didn't even notice it in real time. The push happened in about 250 milliseconds. He then saw it on The Sunday Game, as well as seeing the reaction. He said to himself, "Oops, I missed a clear breach of Rule 7.2. That'll have to go in my report."
(Note, the fact that the linesman didn't see fit to bring it to the referee's attention in real time is irrelevant. It's the referee's opinion that matters.)
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Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 14, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
Apologies for not being clear, repeating myself.
My issue is with the 360 turn by the ref and linesman.
They both knew exactly what happened and must've felt no action was required - no card.
Fast forward and it finds itself in the ref's report. Why the change of heart? Was there outside influence - media etc?
Connollys entitled to a fair process but this is not the case here. Send him off, otherwise as the officials had a clear view, it should not appear in the report.
Why does it matter? The important thing is that manhandling of the official has been punished and players at all levels know where they stand. If that hadn't happened, would you be happy with the message that sends out? Even if it happened as a result of someone from the CCCC contacting the ref and suggesting he should take another look at it, where's the harm in that?
Having said that, my suggestion for what happened:
The ref. didn't even notice it in real time. The push happened in about 250 milliseconds. He then saw it on The Sunday Game, as well as seeing the reaction. He said to himself, "Oops, I missed a clear breach of Rule 7.2. That'll have to go in my report."
(Note, the fact that the linesman didn't see fit to bring it to the referee's attention in real time is irrelevant. It's the referee's opinion that matters.)
So the linesman failed to report it - hardly becoming of an inter-county referee, so I'd expect him to be not reffing any inter-county championship games for a while as he brushed up on the rulebook. Did that happen? Nope...the linesman was referee in a provincial semi-final the following weekend.
Not good enough on either side of this.
I suppose every player can be reported by the referee, even if the player is not cautioned or carded in any way. Maybe the ref should write his report before leaving the dressingroom after the game and not be influenced by any media - just ref, linesmen and umpires?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0614/882800-jordan-column-connolly/
Interesting piece from Jordan, hard to disagree with him
Quote from: Hardy on June 14, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on June 14, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
Apologies for not being clear, repeating myself.
My issue is with the 360 turn by the ref and linesman.
They both knew exactly what happened and must've felt no action was required - no card.
Fast forward and it finds itself in the ref's report. Why the change of heart? Was there outside influence - media etc?
Connollys entitled to a fair process but this is not the case here. Send him off, otherwise as the officials had a clear view, it should not appear in the report.
Why does it matter? The important thing is that manhandling of the official has been punished and players at all levels know where they stand. If that hadn't happened, would you be happy with the message that sends out? Even if it happened as a result of someone from the CCCC contacting the ref and suggesting he should take another look at it, where's the harm in that?
Having said that, my suggestion for what happened:
The ref. didn't even notice it in real time. The push happened in about 250 milliseconds. He then saw it on The Sunday Game, as well as seeing the reaction. He said to himself, "Oops, I missed a clear breach of Rule 7.2. That'll have to go in my report."
(Note, the fact that the linesman didn't see fit to bring it to the referee's attention in real time is irrelevant. It's the referee's opinion that matters.)
He hardly manhandled him now did he
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In this case because it's hard enough to get referees as it is. If we in any way say that it's ok to push them around, then we are making a rod for our own backs. If people can't see this, then I give up.
It's ok to run 100 metres to abuse them or feign injury to con them and get someone sent off - you don't give up around that though?
it's also ok to put a hand on them in general when they're issuing you a sanction but lightly push them and the whole world collapses?
Come on now heffo, you're embarrassing yourself, it's an undeniable fact that Connolly pushed the linesman back with enough force to make him take two steps back, and it wasn't in a friendly manner and he should really take his 12 weeks on the chin for his own self respect and also Dublin are beginning to take the piss with all the appeals and so forth.
This is setting a bad precedent in terms of justice and how we respect officials and the GAA must tread carefully because if we don't protect officials from physical contact and verbal abuse then we're on the road to no town.
Get real. This wasn't physical abuse, it was a light touch on the shoulder. I've also seen many players much more aggressive in the way they have been shouting in refs faces. The verbal abuse thing is part of the culture of the gaa which is completely wrong and there's no point just trying to make an example of Connolly unless it's followed up with similar sanctions all summer. Go to an u12 or u14 game and listen to the verbal abuse that the ref gets. Again if this hadn't been Connolly it wouldn't have been mentioned again.
Fully agree.
In accordance with rules it's wrong but so is putting your hand on the ref which I saw Andy Moran, Cian Mackey Nd Sean Armstrong do this weekend.
It's clearly a case of the man more than the act being the reason for their ban.
Do you honestly believe that??????
Yes. I believe had that been any other Dublin player, it would have drawn no commentary whatsoever.
So you think any player can push the linesman and have no punishment?
There are plenty of cases of players over the weekend who infracted the same rule and nothing about it.
Answer the question I asked,
Do you think a player can push a linesman and have no punishment?
Of course not.
But that's not the issue. The linesman did not deem it worthy of censure - neither did the ref- until the anti-Dublin media swung into action and influenced proceedings causing a reversal of their original decision. Connolly was wrong but he is entitled to due and fair process - this did not happen.
So because the officials fúcked up Connolly should walk? It's a review-able offense, lad. Have theses Dublin apologists actually read back their own thoughts?
Who says they fúcked up though? They dealt with it (it didn't merit a red / yellow / black etc) My issue is they are reviewing a decision, at whos behest we don't know, they already made. Is that fair on Connolly?
If he committed the offense and wasn't correctly punished, of course it's fair on him.
Well then we are in the realm of 'make it up as you go along'.
As far as I was aware, the ref and linesman were in agreement that he didn't need to be 'correctly punished'.
what do you think they are making up as they go along?
The disciplinary process for doling out punishments/suspensions.
you're saying, re the Connolly case, that they are making it up as they go along. That's clearly nonsense. The CCCC can revisit the refs report. It's all in black and white in the Disciplinary Handbook and Official Rules and Regulations Guide and has been talked about in this thread. Minimum sentence for Connolly's offence is 12 weeks. He's received 12 weeks. So again, what exactly are they making up as they go along? Have a read at the Jordan article above. It's time players started taking their oil. You needy untwist the knickers Butt
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
I disagree...this could be a pivotal moment if the powers that be seize the opportunity. Flaws in the process have been highlighted ( as they have many times in the past in fairness), the rule book needs rewritten, referees need protecting etc etc. A high profile case like Connolly's could be the catalyst. I'm glad someone like Jordan has spoken out, I'm sure most would agree with what he is saying.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Why?
There seems to be an attitude on here that if your'e county is guilty of behaving the same way as those being charged then you are not entitled to an opinion.
"that's rich coming from a ... man" is such a pathetic reply in my eyes.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Why?
There seems to be an attitude on here that if your'e county is guilty of behaving the same way as those being charged then you are not entitled to an opinion.
"that's rich coming from a ... man" is such a pathetic reply in my eyes.
That's rich coming from a Tyrone lad living in Dublin!
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Why?
There seems to be an attitude on here that if your'e county is guilty of behaving the same way as those being charged then you are not entitled to an opinion.
"that's rich coming from a ... man" is such a pathetic reply in my eyes.
That's rich coming from a Tyrone lad living in Dublin!
That's rich coming from an Offaly lad living in Tipp!!
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Why?
There seems to be an attitude on here that if your'e county is guilty of behaving the same way as those being charged then you are not entitled to an opinion.
"that's rich coming from a ... man" is such a pathetic reply in my eyes.
That's rich coming from a Tyrone lad living in Dublin!
That's rich coming from an Offaly lad living in Tipp!!
Straight from the horse's mouth.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Philip Jordan has some neck on him with that column.
Why?
There seems to be an attitude on here that if your'e county is guilty of behaving the same way as those being charged then you are not entitled to an opinion.
"that's rich coming from a ... man" is such a pathetic reply in my eyes.
That's rich coming from a Tyrone lad living in Dublin!
That's rich coming from an Offaly lad living in Tipp!!
That's rich from a Rugby man masquerading on a GAA forum!
Pathetic replies.
It will be interesting to see the reaction of the players to the next controversial decision by a ref or linesman.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 02:13:29 PM
Pathetic replies.
It will be interesting to see the reaction of the players to the next controversial decision by a ref or linesman.
You kind of hope it would be to set the ball down and get back into position rather than remonstrating like a dickhead, no?
Quote from: Hardy on June 14, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Having said that, my suggestion for what happened:
The ref. didn't even notice it in real time. The push happened in about 250 milliseconds. He then saw it on The Sunday Game, as well as seeing the reaction. He said to himself, "Oops, I missed a clear breach of Rule 7.2. That'll have to go in my report."
(Note, the fact that the linesman didn't see fit to bring it to the referee's attention in real time is irrelevant. It's the referee's opinion that matters.)
That might have been a reasonable analysis, except that the fact of the matter is the ref was looking straight at it and noted it in his notebook during the game (according to the reports after the CCCC initially gave the ban)
I think its disingenious for people to call this a frivilous appeal, given the way it was handled by the officials and the severity of the supposed crime and punishment. An incident that initially the linesman
and ref thought was not worthy of a talking too, never mind a yellow, black or red card, and they subsequently changed their mind to it being an offence of an extremely serious nature. That has to be brought through full due process.
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 14, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Having said that, my suggestion for what happened:
The ref. didn't even notice it in real time. The push happened in about 250 milliseconds. He then saw it on The Sunday Game, as well as seeing the reaction. He said to himself, "Oops, I missed a clear breach of Rule 7.2. That'll have to go in my report."
(Note, the fact that the linesman didn't see fit to bring it to the referee's attention in real time is irrelevant. It's the referee's opinion that matters.)
That might have been a reasonable analysis, except that the fact of the matter is the ref was looking straight at it and noted it in his notebook during the game (according to the reports after the CCCC initially gave the ban)
I think its disingenious for people to call this a frivilous appeal, given the way it was handled by the officials and the severity of the supposed crime and punishment. An incident that initially the linesman and ref thought was not worthy of a talking too, never mind a yellow, black or red card, and they subsequently changed their mind to it being an offence of an extremely serious nature. That has to be brought through full due process.
It's frivolous in that he definitely committed the offence and therefore definitely deserves the punishment.
But I agree with you that it might not be frivolous in that it's possible he will get off due to the incident being handled badly by the officials.
But in my opinion, if someone commits the offence they should serve the punishment regardless of whether the officials dealt with it correctly or not.
On a slightly different issue, whilst an appeal is in progress is Connolly not suspended and therefore allowed to train with Dublin? If yes and then the 12 week ban is upheld, why isn't the suspension extended by the number of days which he was technically not suspended for during the appeal?
Or is he suspended currently and will continue to be unless his ban is overturned?
RTE reporting he will not continue with the appeal.
Dublin GAA Twitter confirm that.
That was pointless - it was never going to be overturned at Hearing stage.
Why did he bother.
Leverage for the next time.
He'll be back in time for the Ulster champions conquerors.
Quote from: heffo on June 15, 2017, 05:30:17 PM
That was pointless - it was never going to be overturned at Hearing stage.
Why did he bother.
He appealed on the grounds that his touch on brannigans shoulder wasn't minor interference. The appeal committee found that it was proven to be minor interference with an official. The only way he could take it further then was on a technicality.
Lee Keegan has his say.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=271668 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=271668)
Bit pointless but they were going nowhere anyway.
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
Look forward to a Summer of discontent and media/columnists spending more time talking about disciplinary and who is/isnt banned than the games.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
If he'd have been sent off at the time for the same infraction, i.e. minor physical interference with an official he'd have got 12 weeks minimum anyway, would he not?
GAA certainly needs to sort out the consistency with the rules and how they are applied as there's no consistency from one week to the next.
Some people here need to get out of the stone age mentality where citing is unfair or not commonplace in football, hurling, rugby, american football and indeed nearly every major sport on Earth with any sense whatsoever.
Crime equals time. It is so simple and so very fair.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 16, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
If he'd have been sent off at the time for the same infraction, i.e. minor physical interference with an official he'd have got 12 weeks minimum anyway, would he not?
GAA certainly needs to sort out the consistency with the rules and how they are applied as there's no consistency from one week to the next.
Yes he would have got 12 weeks and it would have been all above board.
But to ignore the office at the time (considering he put his hand on the linesman how could he or the referee have 'missed' it?) and then retrospectively do him for it shows it was all done cloak and dagger.
The most surprising part of all this is that a Dub has been banned
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Some people here need to get out of the stone age mentality where citing is unfair or not commonplace in football, hurling, rugby, american football and indeed nearly every major sport on Earth with any sense whatsoever.
Crime equals time. It is so simple and so very fair.
Yes, there seems to be a mindset here that it's not a crime if you are not caught the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s)
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 16, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
If he'd have been sent off at the time for the same infraction, i.e. minor physical interference with an official he'd have got 12 weeks minimum anyway, would he not?
GAA certainly needs to sort out the consistency with the rules and how they are applied as there's no consistency from one week to the next.
Yes he would have got 12 weeks and it would have been all above board.
But to ignore the office at the time (considering he put his hand on the linesman how could he or the referee have 'missed' it?) and then retrospectively do him for it shows it was all done cloak and dagger.
The most surprising part of all this is that a Dub has been banned
I know, that was the biggest shock to me too. ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 16, 2017, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Some people here need to get out of the stone age mentality where citing is unfair or not commonplace in football, hurling, rugby, american football and indeed nearly every major sport on Earth with any sense whatsoever.
Crime equals time. It is so simple and so very fair.
Yes, there seems to be a mindset here that it's not a crime if you are not caught the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s)
Yes - we should be following up but it has to be done consistently. No one is saying we should ignore offences.
Lets hope all incidents are reviewed during the Summer and offenders banned.
Such is the ineptitude of some of our referees however a lot of column inches and tv coverage will be dedicated to discipline instead of the games :-\
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 16, 2017, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Some people here need to get out of the stone age mentality where citing is unfair or not commonplace in football, hurling, rugby, american football and indeed nearly every major sport on Earth with any sense whatsoever.
Crime equals time. It is so simple and so very fair.
Yes, there seems to be a mindset here that it's not a crime if you are not caught the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcEq1hsT6s)
What was Fitzpatrick at raising his head into Dermo's knees he could have done real damage to those knees. Wreckless!.
Taylor, they have to start somewhere and the more they let go the more it will happen.
As Tyrone fans, we saw this over the years where we said why are only some players getting called up and some are not and Phillip Jordan said this week that it was wrong.
Not everything will be caught on video and there will be an unfair bias against the teams who are on show but like the ref you can only punish what you see. If the ref makes a mistake then he's entitled to view it again and decide whether he needs to change his mind.
If a lad breaks the rules he deserves to be punished and it's ridiculous to say yes he done it and we can all see he done it but we'll let him off because we've not punished everyone before him for the same thing. That's just an excuse to ignore the infraction.
Some people take issue with the fact that who is controlling what the CCCC cite and what they don't cite. Is it at the discretion of TSG or Sky analysis. Of course they are going to comment on it first as they are doing the live game or the highlights that weekend. They are hardly not gonna say anything about it.
I would say the CCCC should meet with the ref maybe the next day to go through his report and discuss if there are any incidents he would like to see again and bring to his attention anything he might have missed such as a punch off the ball. Then they can make that public then on Monday afternoon rather than wait for a few days.
I wonder will they mention it on TSG this weekend? The lads at the Donegal v Tyrone game will have to be on their best behaviour as no doubt they will love to say "well the CCCC will have to deal with that after poor Dermo's problems"
I think what Philip Jordan was saying was that frequently these appeals are just lads refusing to take their medicine, and as an organisation we need to cop ourselves on and both rewrite the rulebook (as I have been saying for years) and start taking responsibility for our actions. The sad thing about the appeals culture is that valid appeals are made look spurious because it's just the done thing. It's almost de rigueur to appeal as a first instinct. That's why I was pleasantly surprised when Connolly wasn't going to appeal, and in fairness he has just made a token gesture.
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
Look forward to a Summer of discontent and media/columnists spending more time talking about disciplinary and who is/isnt banned than the games.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
Did someone grab his hand and puppet style it against Brannigan?
With the "ineptitude" of some of our refs, as you put it, the CCCC can review incidents, because believe it, inept or not, refs , like players, will make mistakes. This allows offences like this to be dealt with if there has been an oversight during the match. Someone getting the minimum punishment after the game for shoving an official should sit well with you as it's mitigating against the "ineptitude" of refs.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 16, 2017, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
DC was royally stitched up here - feel sorry for him (cant believe I said that).
If he had been sent off at the time then no problem but to nail him after the game simply doesnt sit well with me.
Look forward to a Summer of discontent and media/columnists spending more time talking about disciplinary and who is/isnt banned than the games.
GAA needs to get its house in order ASAP
Did someone grab his hand and puppet style it against Brannigan?
With the "ineptitude" of some of our refs, as you put it, the CCCC can review incidents, because believe it, inept or not, refs , like players, will make mistakes. This allows offences like this to be dealt with if there has been an oversight during the match. Someone getting the minimum punishment after the game for shoving an official should sit well with you as it's mitigating against the "ineptitude" of refs.
Ineptitude being that if a lineman or referee has been pushed how can it be missed or an oversight? Are you seriously saying an official missed getting pushed?
In anyone's book that is ineptitude of the highest order
Im all for punishment of the crime but there should be consistency in that everyone gets punished and no 'cloak and dagger' stuff as clearly happened here after the game
What cloak and dagger stuff?
There was a line ball that the linesman called wrong from what I've heard.
Then there was the scuffle were the Wexford lads were trying to get the ball from DC
No doubt that's what the ref and linesman were focusing on at that precise moment. Brannigan was probably wondering "Shit did I get that call wrong" and Hurson looking at Connolly getting pulled back and waiting to see did that escalate.
They probably weren't thinking Connolly has interfered with the linesman here and so that's a different rule broken.
It was only when they calmed down and though about it afterwards or in the changing room afterwards that they realised they didn't deal with that very well. How is that cloak and dagger?
Do you think someone told them they MUST put it in their report to teach Connolly a lesson as he deserves a 12 week ban?
Personally I'm all on for using video evidence after a match to both get innocent guys off a suspension and to punish those that were missed by the ref. There is so much goes on now off the ball and often it goes unnoticed by the ref.
If all players knew there would be punishment via video evidence they would be a lot less likely to do what they are doing. Of course we want consistency though but to me this is a black and white case.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 16, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
What cloak and dagger stuff?
There was a line ball that the linesman called wrong from what I've heard.
Then there was the scuffle were the Wexford lads were trying to get the ball from DC
No doubt that's what the ref and linesman were focusing on at that precise moment. Brannigan was probably wondering "Shit did I get that call wrong" and Hurson looking at Connolly getting pulled back and waiting to see did that escalate.
They probably weren't thinking Connolly has interfered with the linesman here and so that's a different rule broken.
It was only when they calmed down and though about it afterwards or in the changing room afterwards that they realised they didn't deal with that very well. How is that cloak and dagger?
Do you think someone told them they MUST put it in their report to teach Connolly a lesson as he deserves a 12 week ban?
Personally I'm all on for using video evidence after a match to both get innocent guys off a suspension and to punish those that were missed by the ref. There is so much goes on now off the ball and often it goes unnoticed by the ref.
If all players knew there would be punishment via video evidence they would be a lot less likely to do what they are doing. Of course we want consistency though but to me this is a black and white case.
Completely agree as long as it is done consistently - cant pick an chose who is punished any longer or indeed go after whoever TSG calls out. This is the precedent.
As regards did someone telling the officials they should put it in after the game. I have no idea however I also know that the referee and certainly the linesman could have missed being pushed. Thas is just nonsense of the highest order
Quote from: Taylor on June 16, 2017, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 16, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
What cloak and dagger stuff?
There was a line ball that the linesman called wrong from what I've heard.
Then there was the scuffle were the Wexford lads were trying to get the ball from DC
No doubt that's what the ref and linesman were focusing on at that precise moment. Brannigan was probably wondering "Shit did I get that call wrong" and Hurson looking at Connolly getting pulled back and waiting to see did that escalate.
They probably weren't thinking Connolly has interfered with the linesman here and so that's a different rule broken.
It was only when they calmed down and though about it afterwards or in the changing room afterwards that they realised they didn't deal with that very well. How is that cloak and dagger?
Do you think someone told them they MUST put it in their report to teach Connolly a lesson as he deserves a 12 week ban?
Personally I'm all on for using video evidence after a match to both get innocent guys off a suspension and to punish those that were missed by the ref. There is so much goes on now off the ball and often it goes unnoticed by the ref.
If all players knew there would be punishment via video evidence they would be a lot less likely to do what they are doing. Of course we want consistency though but to me this is a black and white case.
Completely agree as long as it is done consistently - cant pick an chose who is punished any longer or indeed go after whoever TSG calls out. This is the precedent.
As regards did someone telling the officials they should put it in after the game. I have no idea however I also know that the referee and certainly the linesman could have missed being pushed. Thas is just nonsense of the highest order
Linesman couldn't have 'missed' it but
1) the referee might have 'missed' it
2) the linesman might have fucked up by not getting the ref to send off Connolly at the time
3) What does it matter now that Connolly has gotten the appropriate punishment
I also agree that the Sunday game nor sky sports shouldn't be setting the agenda on who gets retrospective punishment or not. But that didn't start with this incident!!
How often have we seen these muck savages dragging off each while someone grabs the ball gone out of play?
I don't like the way it was made an issue of because it was Connolly.
Here we go. Another 20 pages courtesy of the bomber.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 16, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
I don't like the way it was made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It wasn't made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It was made an issue of because a player pushed a linesman.
Quote from: westbound on June 16, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 16, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
I don't like the way it was made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It wasn't made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It was made an issue of because a player pushed a linesman.
It was a nothing incident.
Players are not allowed put their hands on a referee under the same rule Connolly got done under, it happened multiple times at the weekend.
Absolutely nothing about it.
Quote from: westbound on June 16, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 16, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
I don't like the way it was made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It wasn't made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It was made an issue of because a player pushed a linesman.
It was definitely made a bigger issue of because of who it was
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 17, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: westbound on June 16, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 16, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
I don't like the way it was made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It wasn't made an issue of because it was Connolly.
It was made an issue of because a player pushed a linesman.
It was definitely made a bigger issue of because of who it was
+1
Of course it matters. Just count the number of pages of this thread already. I know of no other player- even Lee Keegan- who would this amount of controversy. ;D
Lots of discussion going on this morning about The Sunday Game panel and Brolly v Spillane etc but thought it was very interesting that Jim Gavin took it about himself to make such a stand against RTE, Sky and especially Pat Spillane.
Most people had accepted that Connolly was guilty of pushing the linesman and so deserved his 12 week ban. Gavin admitted that himself in his interview yesterday yet he still deemed it necessary to stand up for his player and use rather strange language like
"I have a duty of care for the player and I firmly believe there was an attack on his good name."
I don't know did he say that tongue in cheek or did he really believe that Diarmuid still has a good name.
Yes he's entitled to a fair hearing and not have his past failings be brought up and be held against him but I don't think anything that Spillane, O'Rourke and others said was in any way an attack on his good name. They simply told the truth that Diarmuid broke an important rule and that he has indeed been sent off a lot before and has had a charge of criminal conviction held up against him.
I think Gavin is using this now as a siege mentality tool to help motivate his squad for the summer ahead as it was a surprise to many that he came out fighting like this yesterday. He's usually a man who promotes how well his team play the game "the right way" so it seemed strange that he dug up all this stuff again and brought Connolly right back into the limelight again. Many would argue he should have just let sleeping dogs lie.
Then RTE go overboard last night bringing in Brolly and yes man Dolan to say Gavin had a point and that Spillane was out of order. We all know Brolly loves to stir the shit and especially when it involves Spillane who he has had many a spat with.
I would imagine it is a ploy by Gavin and the Dublin set up to gain leverage in the future that they are being picked on because the are always in the limelight and they get unfair biased treatment unlike other counties who can slide under the radar much easier when they do something wrong. It puts pressure on the CCCC to up their game and prove Gavin wrong.
This article sums it up perfectly for me and I wonder does Gavin actually want to weed Connolly out of his panel altogether now at this stage perhaps as every year it's the same shite for him to deal with.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/jim-gavin-3-367859
Gavin's being immature, do the Dubs really need this enemy, conspiracy crap, out to get us, paranoia?
Brolly's being disingenuous, he knows the CCCC can review any incident regardless of the ref's report and refer the incident back to the officials for another viewing. And he's trying to peddle the line that the shunted Connolly was provoked because he's Connolly and therefore top players need protection, special treatment. A fair enough sentiment in certain circumstances, but not this one.
Shunting goes on in the game all the time when an opposition player hangs onto the ball after a free kick has been awarded against him and he's roughly shunted around until the ball is hatched. Shunting is not directed at a player because of his reputation, it's because he's delaying the free kick.
The referee's action should be immediate, bring the ball forward, no ref should indulge in protecting the player who's provoking the situation by delaying the free kick.
It's rare to see player take his anger out on an official by pushing him angrily.
In this instance Joe Brolly is peddling a baseless argument but one which appeals to base emotions.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-was-like-watching-counsel-for-the-prosecution-joe-brolly-criticises-pat-spillane-as-diarmuid-connolly-row-reerupts-35865379.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-was-like-watching-counsel-for-the-prosecution-joe-brolly-criticises-pat-spillane-as-diarmuid-connolly-row-reerupts-35865379.html)
It can only be a positive that Dublin have declared a media ban, they were the masters at saying nothing anyway.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Lots of discussion going on this morning about The Sunday Game panel and Brolly v Spillane etc but thought it was very interesting that Jim Gavin took it about himself to make such a stand against RTE, Sky and especially Pat Spillane.
Most people had accepted that Connolly was guilty of pushing the linesman and so deserved his 12 week ban. Gavin admitted that himself in his interview yesterday yet he still deemed it necessary to stand up for his player and use rather strange language like
"I have a duty of care for the player and I firmly believe there was an attack on his good name."
I don't know did he say that tongue in cheek or did he really believe that Diarmuid still has a good name.
Yes he's entitled to a fair hearing and not have his past failings be brought up and be held against him but I don't think anything that Spillane, O'Rourke and others said was in any way an attack on his good name. They simply told the truth that Diarmuid broke an important rule and that he has indeed been sent off a lot before and has had a charge of criminal conviction held up against him.
I think Gavin is using this now as a siege mentality tool to help motivate his squad for the summer ahead as it was a surprise to many that he came out fighting like this yesterday. He's usually a man who promotes how well his team play the game "the right way" so it seemed strange that he dug up all this stuff again and brought Connolly right back into the limelight again. Many would argue he should have just let sleeping dogs lie.
Then RTE go overboard last night bringing in Brolly and yes man Dolan to say Gavin had a point and that Spillane was out of order. We all know Brolly loves to stir the shit and especially when it involves Spillane who he has had many a spat with.
I would imagine it is a ploy by Gavin and the Dublin set up to gain leverage in the future that they are being picked on because the are always in the limelight and they get unfair biased treatment unlike other counties who can slide under the radar much easier when they do something wrong. It puts pressure on the CCCC to up their game and prove Gavin wrong.
This article sums it up perfectly for me and I wonder does Gavin actually want to weed Connolly out of his panel altogether now at this stage perhaps as every year it's the same shite for him to deal with.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/jim-gavin-3-367859
That's a very nasty comment coming from someone who chooses to hide behind a nom de plume.
Amateur sportsmen should not have to endure personalised attacks from anonymous trolls.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 26, 2017, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Lots of discussion going on this morning about The Sunday Game panel and Brolly v Spillane etc but thought it was very interesting that Jim Gavin took it about himself to make such a stand against RTE, Sky and especially Pat Spillane.
Most people had accepted that Connolly was guilty of pushing the linesman and so deserved his 12 week ban. Gavin admitted that himself in his interview yesterday yet he still deemed it necessary to stand up for his player and use rather strange language like
"I have a duty of care for the player and I firmly believe there was an attack on his good name."
I don't know did he say that tongue in cheek or did he really believe that Diarmuid still has a good name.
Yes he's entitled to a fair hearing and not have his past failings be brought up and be held against him but I don't think anything that Spillane, O'Rourke and others said was in any way an attack on his good name. They simply told the truth that Diarmuid broke an important rule and that he has indeed been sent off a lot before and has had a charge of criminal conviction held up against him.
I think Gavin is using this now as a siege mentality tool to help motivate his squad for the summer ahead as it was a surprise to many that he came out fighting like this yesterday. He's usually a man who promotes how well his team play the game "the right way" so it seemed strange that he dug up all this stuff again and brought Connolly right back into the limelight again. Many would argue he should have just let sleeping dogs lie.
Then RTE go overboard last night bringing in Brolly and yes man Dolan to say Gavin had a point and that Spillane was out of order. We all know Brolly loves to stir the shit and especially when it involves Spillane who he has had many a spat with.
I would imagine it is a ploy by Gavin and the Dublin set up to gain leverage in the future that they are being picked on because the are always in the limelight and they get unfair biased treatment unlike other counties who can slide under the radar much easier when they do something wrong. It puts pressure on the CCCC to up their game and prove Gavin wrong.
This article sums it up perfectly for me and I wonder does Gavin actually want to weed Connolly out of his panel altogether now at this stage perhaps as every year it's the same shite for him to deal with.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/jim-gavin-3-367859
That's a very nasty comment coming from from someone who chooses to hide behind a nom de plume.
Amateur sportsmen should not have to endure personalised attacks from anonymous trolls.
Oh save us the piety - you're as bad as St Jim!
Connolly's behaviour on and off the field is there for all to see.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 26, 2017, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Lots of discussion going on this morning about The Sunday Game panel and Brolly v Spillane etc but thought it was very interesting that Jim Gavin took it about himself to make such a stand against RTE, Sky and especially Pat Spillane.
Most people had accepted that Connolly was guilty of pushing the linesman and so deserved his 12 week ban. Gavin admitted that himself in his interview yesterday yet he still deemed it necessary to stand up for his player and use rather strange language like
"I have a duty of care for the player and I firmly believe there was an attack on his good name."
I don't know did he say that tongue in cheek or did he really believe that Diarmuid still has a good name.
Yes he's entitled to a fair hearing and not have his past failings be brought up and be held against him but I don't think anything that Spillane, O'Rourke and others said was in any way an attack on his good name. They simply told the truth that Diarmuid broke an important rule and that he has indeed been sent off a lot before and has had a charge of criminal conviction held up against him.
I think Gavin is using this now as a siege mentality tool to help motivate his squad for the summer ahead as it was a surprise to many that he came out fighting like this yesterday. He's usually a man who promotes how well his team play the game "the right way" so it seemed strange that he dug up all this stuff again and brought Connolly right back into the limelight again. Many would argue he should have just let sleeping dogs lie.
Then RTE go overboard last night bringing in Brolly and yes man Dolan to say Gavin had a point and that Spillane was out of order. We all know Brolly loves to stir the shit and especially when it involves Spillane who he has had many a spat with.
I would imagine it is a ploy by Gavin and the Dublin set up to gain leverage in the future that they are being picked on because the are always in the limelight and they get unfair biased treatment unlike other counties who can slide under the radar much easier when they do something wrong. It puts pressure on the CCCC to up their game and prove Gavin wrong.
This article sums it up perfectly for me and I wonder does Gavin actually want to weed Connolly out of his panel altogether now at this stage perhaps as every year it's the same shite for him to deal with.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/jim-gavin-3-367859
That's a very nasty comment coming from from someone who chooses to hide behind a nom de plume.
Amateur sportsmen should not have to endure personalised attacks from anonymous trolls.
Oh save us the piety - you're as bad as St Jim!
Connolly's behaviour on and off the field is there for all to see.
Says you - another anonymous troll.
Are you for real "The hill is Blue"?
If you look Diarmuid up on Wiki it says:
Diarmuid Connolly (born 7 July 1987) is a Gaelic footballer and hurler with the St Vincents club who plays inter-county for Dublin. Connolly is known for his ability to score in difficult situations anywhere on the pitch. He is also regarded as one of the most talented players in the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA).
In June 2017, Connolly received a 12-week ban after physical interference against linesman Ciaran Branagan during Dublin's win against Carlow in the quarterfinals of the 2017 Leinster Senior Football Championship.[3][4]
Personal Life
In 2014, Connolly was spared a possible jail sentence and a criminal conviction for an unprovoked attack on a man in a pub in August 2012 where Connolly fractured the victims eye socket.[5]
So if somebody from a different country knew nothing about him and his GAA career and they looked him up online they would probably come away thinking he sounds like a very talented footballer who has won loads of medals who has had interfered with an official and got a lengthy ban. He also has a criminal record.
Those are facts that are there in the public domain as black and white and not just opinion or hearsay.
Are you saying I am a troll now for simply stating the facts on a GAA discussion board?
I've met Diarmuid many times in the pub after Dublin games and know he can be quite the pleasant gentleman as they found out this weekend up in Donegal. I've defended him at times over how Lee Keegan targeted him last year and how referees often don't give him enough protection and that's when he takes the law into his own hands.
Are you saying you think Diarmuid Connolly still has a good name and is thought highly off in most circles?
I presume you know him personally and is why you are taking such exception to that part, which I can understand but I think most balanced Dubs would admit that Diarmuid has had a shady past but he's done a lot to right that.
So what if they are anonymous?
The facts about Connolly speak for themselves. Just because he happens to be an inter-county footballer it doesn't grant him immunity.
I'm sorry, but what has he done to right it, Fuzz? There's a straight line of indiscipline through his entire career.
Connolly broke the rules , was found guilty , appealed , the original verdict was unturned , he accepted . Dublin are being utterly pathetic and this reeks of throwing the toys from the pram .
They will still win the AI and the gloating will start about defiance and "beating the odds" .
Yes, no one is insinuating anything or making "revelations" under an internet pseudonym for which they can't be held accountable (at least in the immediate term). Connolly is an extraordinarily gifted, high profile, sportsman playing for the leading team in the country. He also has had public brushes with the law.
That's in the public domain. This is not somebody throwing some unsupported rumour up on the gaaboard (which has happened a number of times).
Apart from a well known assault case off the pitch Connolly has a poor record on it. The arguememt for him seems to be dreging up any incident from an opposition team to justify anything he has ever done...
I know there is tribalism in the GAA but are Dubs not annoyed he keeps doing stupid shit?! Say what you like but he broke the rules and is now suspended for 12 weeks over a line ball!
What do the rest of the panel think, surely they must be sick of it all too.
The other thread where the clip of him dropping the knee v Kildare is just needless filth but that too has descended into dragging every similar incident up. Any Dub fan who can look at thst and defend it is fooling themselves.
How does he get on in club football?
Do the mere mortals he comes up against at that level try to wind him up and provoke him?
Although I'd imagine he's often marked by Dublin colleagues and other intercounty players.
He shouldnt have touched Brannigan - thats a simple fact and if he was sent off at the time then deserved his medicine.
But he also should not have been retrospectively banned and indeed only was banned because of the witch-hunt in the media and on TSG.
The deafening silence of the incident on Saturday night means there wont be a ban. No witch-hunt. No calling for bans on TSG. Everything is rosy in the GAA garden :-\
I have saw him play a few teams in championship for his clubs and he usually doesn't get the same sort of attention as he does say from Lee Keegan or in Leinster games.
He tends to keep his nose clean for most of what I saw and kicks the odd amazing score out of nothing.
I know a lad from his club and he says he's a lovely fella off the field and does so much work for his club.
Most of my Dub friends are fed up with the controversy around him every year and I'm just wondering is that maybe why Gavin has stirred it up again in some strange way to appear like he's supporting him but in fact it's too push him out the door. He'll be 30 next year and I'd say Gavin might not be too bothered if he was to hang up the boots.
I see Tommy Lyons has said his season is probably over this year as he'll not be walking straight into the team for the AI semifinal and then it will be hard to drop someone for the final.
Could this be a sly way for Gavin to ease DC out of the limelight and let Dublin focus on 3 in a row with no further distractions.
So Taylor, you don't think justice was served even though you admit he shouldn't have touched the linesman.
I would imagine the CCCC will make a statement this evening about the knees up in Armagh on Sat night.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
I have saw him play a few teams in championship for his clubs and he usually doesn't get the same sort of attention as he does say from Lee Keegan or in Leinster games.
He tends to keep his nose clean for most of what I saw and kicks the odd amazing score out of nothing.
I know a lad from his club and he says he's a lovely fella off the field and does so much work for his club.
Most of my Dub friends are fed up with the controversy around him every year and I'm just wondering is that maybe why Gavin has stirred it up again in some strange way to appear like he's supporting him but in fact it's too push him out the door. He'll be 30 next year and I'd say Gavin might not be too bothered if he was to hang up the boots.
I see Tommy Lyons has said his season is probably over this year as he'll not be walking straight into the team for the AI semifinal and then it will be hard to drop someone for the final.
Could this be a sly way for Gavin to ease DC out of the limelight and let Dublin focus on 3 in a row with no further distractions.
So Taylor, you don't think justice was served even though you admit he shouldn't have touched the linesman.
I would imagine the CCCC will make a statement this evening about the knees up in Armagh on Sat night.
I disagree with the way it was served up Fuzz.
Feels like an agenda was at play to nail him which other players dont get. If the GAA are consistent for the rest of this season in dishing out retrospective bans then it will be fully justified.
I doubt this will happen though
The selective retrospective ban stuff has been around for years and there have been more ridiculous examples, by far, than what Connolly has faced.
Paddy Campbell played in the Ulster Final in 2006 before he subsequently got a month and missed the qualifer and quarter final for giving Enda Muldoon a quick testicle examination in the Ulster semi. That was highlighted by TSG that night on tv, yet it took them several weeks, and an Ulster Final in the meantime, to get around to sorting it out. Brolly was the driving force behind that one.
You are right though. We'll plough along as usual.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
I have saw him play a few teams in championship for his clubs and he usually doesn't get the same sort of attention as he does say from Lee Keegan or in Leinster games.
He tends to keep his nose clean for most of what I saw and kicks the odd amazing score out of nothing.
I know a lad from his club and he says he's a lovely fella off the field and does so much work for his club.
Most of my Dub friends are fed up with the controversy around him every year and I'm just wondering is that maybe why Gavin has stirred it up again in some strange way to appear like he's supporting him but in fact it's too push him out the door. He'll be 30 next year and I'd say Gavin might not be too bothered if he was to hang up the boots.
I see Tommy Lyons has said his season is probably over this year as he'll not be walking straight into the team for the AI semifinal and then it will be hard to drop someone for the final.
Could this be a sly way for Gavin to ease DC out of the limelight and let Dublin focus on 3 in a row with no further distractions.
So Taylor, you don't think justice was served even though you admit he shouldn't have touched the linesman.
I would imagine the CCCC will make a statement this evening about the knees up in Armagh on Sat night.
I disagree with the way it was served up Fuzz.
Feels like an agenda was at play to nail him which other players dont get. If the GAA are consistent for the rest of this season in dishing out retrospective bans then it will be fully justified.
I doubt this will happen though
The Dublin media machine did a hatchet job on Keegan last year so I don't think they can have too many complaints about this one!
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
I have saw him play a few teams in championship for his clubs and he usually doesn't get the same sort of attention as he does say from Lee Keegan or in Leinster games.
He tends to keep his nose clean for most of what I saw and kicks the odd amazing score out of nothing.
I know a lad from his club and he says he's a lovely fella off the field and does so much work for his club.
Most of my Dub friends are fed up with the controversy around him every year and I'm just wondering is that maybe why Gavin has stirred it up again in some strange way to appear like he's supporting him but in fact it's too push him out the door. He'll be 30 next year and I'd say Gavin might not be too bothered if he was to hang up the boots.
I see Tommy Lyons has said his season is probably over this year as he'll not be walking straight into the team for the AI semifinal and then it will be hard to drop someone for the final.
Could this be a sly way for Gavin to ease DC out of the limelight and let Dublin focus on 3 in a row with no further distractions.
So Taylor, you don't think justice was served even though you admit he shouldn't have touched the linesman.
I would imagine the CCCC will make a statement this evening about the knees up in Armagh on Sat night.
I disagree with the way it was served up Fuzz.
Feels like an agenda was at play to nail him which other players dont get. If the GAA are consistent for the rest of this season in dishing out retrospective bans then it will be fully justified.
I doubt this will happen though
The Dublin media machine did a hatchet job on Keegan last year so I don't think they can have too many complaints about this one!
100% right on that one. And that was completely orchestrated
According to Bernard Flynn yesterday's press conference was a circus, a stunt, totally bizarre and a joke. Over reacting much?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
According to Bernard Flynn yesterday's press conference was a circus, a stunt, totally bizarre and a joke. Over reacting much?
???
Almost everyone agrees with him on all of that.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
According to Bernard Flynn yesterday's press conference was a circus, a stunt, totally bizarre and a joke. Over reacting much?
He's probably right though. Gavin has his own press man (who was formerly press officer for the Defence Forces), and there is no way this was off the cuff. All pre ordained with the words carefully chosen. A stunt, but with what goal? We can only speculate.
Quote from: shark on June 26, 2017, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
According to Bernard Flynn yesterday's press conference was a circus, a stunt, totally bizarre and a joke. Over reacting much?
He's probably right though. Gavin has his own press man (who was formerly press officer for the Defence Forces), and there is no way this was off the cuff. All pre ordained with the words carefully chosen. A stunt, but with what goal? We can only speculate.
Speculate? It's to create a siege mentality. It's so see-through I'd have to question the emotional intelligence of any Dublin footballer who has fell for it.
This is what's so wrong with players discipline now, they commit a crime and get completely backed by the manager, instead of being told in no uncertain terms how they have let everyone down.
Quote from: UlsterMan2 on June 26, 2017, 10:58:47 PM
This is what's so wrong with players discipline now, they commit a crime and get completely backed by the manager, instead of being told in no uncertain terms how they have let everyone down.
Next they will all be wearing T-Shirts to show their support!
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: shark on June 26, 2017, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
According to Bernard Flynn yesterday's press conference was a circus, a stunt, totally bizarre and a joke. Over reacting much?
He's probably right though. Gavin has his own press man (who was formerly press officer for the Defence Forces), and there is no way this was off the cuff. All pre ordained with the words carefully chosen. A stunt, but with what goal? We can only speculate.
Speculate? It's to create a siege mentality. It's so see-through I'd have to question the emotional intelligence of any Dublin footballer who has fell for it.
Exactly, a pathetic attempt at creating a siege mentality and get an extra 10% from a group of players who have won it all. Also the timing is interesting to deflect from a 31 point victory where the media spotlight is on this non issue rather than building the Dubs up to be superhumans as Kildare wait to ambush them. Straight out of the Jose Mourhino management handbook. Like Syferus said, I'm surprised the Dublin players fall for this, never mind the media.
Quote from: UlsterMan2 on June 26, 2017, 10:58:47 PM
This is what's so wrong with players discipline now, they commit a crime and get completely backed by the manager, instead of being told in no uncertain terms how they have let everyone down.
They might be told that behind closed doors.... but when a player is publicly persecuted like Connolly the manger manipulates the situation to build a relationship with his player.
There certainly seems to have been a big surprise in the media yesterday about Jim Gavin's strange interview. I really only got to watch it in detail last night and even the way it started off was very peculiar in that he was almost denying there was a problem and that he was doing interviews in the more public domain of the auditorium.
It really looked like a staged performance to get a reaction or as some say to difuse away from their huge win over Westmeath. It so reminds me of how Mickey Harte used to do impeccable interviews back in the early 2000s where he spoke openly and honestly like Gavin likes to appear but then it all went pear shaped.
I think part of it is that RTE have 3 Kerry men now on the TSG panel and he maybe felt he had to lay down a marker than he would stand by his player no matter what. However, like I said yesterday I think he's just drawn more attention to Connolly and his past and maybe this is a big ploy to force some fans to think Connolly is just not worth the hassle any more and Dublin can win without him anyway. Most of expect Dublin to get to the AI final again this year without Connolly and so maybe Gavin's plan was to show that Dublin GAA are better off without all the hassle he brings to the table.
Listening to Brolly last night and it's hard to take the man seriously at any level as he spouts so many tall tales and exagerrations of the truth. Most of what he said of Spillane was untrue and I don't get the big deal being made of him reading out a script. I mean so what if he did read something out of his notes, as long as it was accurate. Was his point about if it was Gooch then would it have been different?
If Gooch had of pushed the linesman then he too would have been punished the same in my eyes.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
There certainly seems to have been a big surprise in the media yesterday about Jim Gavin's strange interview. I really only got to watch it in detail last night and even the way it started off was very peculiar in that he was almost denying there was a problem and that he was doing interviews in the more public domain of the auditorium.
It really looked like a staged performance to get a reaction or as some say to difuse away from their huge win over Westmeath. It so reminds me of how Mickey Harte used to do impeccable interviews back in the early 2000s where he spoke openly and honestly like Gavin likes to appear but then it all went pear shaped.
I think part of it is that RTE have 3 Kerry men now on the TSG panel and he maybe felt he had to lay down a marker than he would stand by his player no matter what. However, like I said yesterday I think he's just drawn more attention to Connolly and his past and maybe this is a big ploy to force some fans to think Connolly is just not worth the hassle any more and Dublin can win without him anyway. Most of expect Dublin to get to the AI final again this year without Connolly and so maybe Gavin's plan was to show that Dublin GAA are better off without all the hassle he brings to the table.
Listening to Brolly last night and it's hard to take the man seriously at any level as he spouts so many tall tales and exagerrations of the truth. Most of what he said of Spillane was untrue and I don't get the big deal being made of him reading out a script. I mean so what if he did read something out of his notes, as long as it was accurate. Was his point about if it was Gooch then would it have been different?
If Gooch had of pushed the linesman then he too would have been punished the same in my eyes.
If it was pre-rehearsed press conference which I do think it was, there is no way Gavin simply dreamt it up as a reaction to beating Westmeath by 31 points. It was thought up between the suspension being issued and Sunday's match. For a team that plan everything meticulously I don't believe that this was an off the cuff reaction to deflect attention from a big win.
I think you may be on to something in relation to the number of Kerry men in the media. He referenced Spillane particularly who was definitely wearing his county hat. The more serious matter imo of the failed drugs test got no media attention whatsoever and was swept under the carpet by most pundits with comments such as 'ach sure he's a lovely fella' so there is a certain element of hypocrisy here.
I also don't believe that Dublin are better off without Connolly. They will sail into a qf/sf depending on the draw but in those last 2/3 matches they will need to have the manic aggression needed to win 3 in a row. Connolly is proven at that level and whilst they have some fine players on the bench, they are not proven serial winners like Connolly.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
There certainly seems to have been a big surprise in the media yesterday about Jim Gavin's strange interview. I really only got to watch it in detail last night and even the way it started off was very peculiar in that he was almost denying there was a problem and that he was doing interviews in the more public domain of the auditorium.
It really looked like a staged performance to get a reaction or as some say to difuse away from their huge win over Westmeath. It so reminds me of how Mickey Harte used to do impeccable interviews back in the early 2000s where he spoke openly and honestly like Gavin likes to appear but then it all went pear shaped.
I think part of it is that RTE have 3 Kerry men now on the TSG panel and he maybe felt he had to lay down a marker than he would stand by his player no matter what. However, like I said yesterday I think he's just drawn more attention to Connolly and his past and maybe this is a big ploy to force some fans to think Connolly is just not worth the hassle any more and Dublin can win without him anyway. Most of expect Dublin to get to the AI final again this year without Connolly and so maybe Gavin's plan was to show that Dublin GAA are better off without all the hassle he brings to the table.
Listening to Brolly last night and it's hard to take the man seriously at any level as he spouts so many tall tales and exagerrations of the truth. Most of what he said of Spillane was untrue and I don't get the big deal being made of him reading out a script. I mean so what if he did read something out of his notes, as long as it was accurate. Was his point about if it was Gooch then would it have been different?
If Gooch had of pushed the linesman then he too would have been punished the same in my eyes.
If it was pre-rehearsed press conference which I do think it was, there is no way Gavin simply dreamt it up as a reaction to beating Westmeath by 31 points. It was thought up between the suspension being issued and Sunday's match. For a team that plan everything meticulously I don't believe that this was an off the cuff reaction to deflect attention from a big win.
I think you may be on to something in relation to the number of Kerry men in the media. He referenced Spillane particularly who was definitely wearing his county hat. The more serious matter imo of the failed drugs test got no media attention whatsoever and was swept under the carpet by most pundits with comments such as 'ach sure he's a lovely fella' so there is a certain element of hypocrisy here.
I also don't believe that Dublin are better off without Connolly. They will sail into a qf/sf depending on the draw but in those last 2/3 matches they will need to have the manic aggression needed to win 3 in a row. Connolly is proven at that level and whilst they have some fine players on the bench, they are not proven serial winners like Connolly.
Do you think Dublin were expecting a tight game v Westmeath? There was every possibly that this was going to be a turkey shoot. Gavin's outburst is so utterly ludicrous that there must be a motive behind it because if he genuinely feels that Connolly's been hard done by here then he really has lost the plot.
He's obviously studied the Alex Ferguson/Mickey Harte book of building a siege mentality!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 27, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
There certainly seems to have been a big surprise in the media yesterday about Jim Gavin's strange interview. I really only got to watch it in detail last night and even the way it started off was very peculiar in that he was almost denying there was a problem and that he was doing interviews in the more public domain of the auditorium.
It really looked like a staged performance to get a reaction or as some say to difuse away from their huge win over Westmeath. It so reminds me of how Mickey Harte used to do impeccable interviews back in the early 2000s where he spoke openly and honestly like Gavin likes to appear but then it all went pear shaped.
I think part of it is that RTE have 3 Kerry men now on the TSG panel and he maybe felt he had to lay down a marker than he would stand by his player no matter what. However, like I said yesterday I think he's just drawn more attention to Connolly and his past and maybe this is a big ploy to force some fans to think Connolly is just not worth the hassle any more and Dublin can win without him anyway. Most of expect Dublin to get to the AI final again this year without Connolly and so maybe Gavin's plan was to show that Dublin GAA are better off without all the hassle he brings to the table.
Listening to Brolly last night and it's hard to take the man seriously at any level as he spouts so many tall tales and exagerrations of the truth. Most of what he said of Spillane was untrue and I don't get the big deal being made of him reading out a script. I mean so what if he did read something out of his notes, as long as it was accurate. Was his point about if it was Gooch then would it have been different?
If Gooch had of pushed the linesman then he too would have been punished the same in my eyes.
If it was pre-rehearsed press conference which I do think it was, there is no way Gavin simply dreamt it up as a reaction to beating Westmeath by 31 points. It was thought up between the suspension being issued and Sunday's match. For a team that plan everything meticulously I don't believe that this was an off the cuff reaction to deflect attention from a big win.
I think you may be on to something in relation to the number of Kerry men in the media. He referenced Spillane particularly who was definitely wearing his county hat. The more serious matter imo of the failed drugs test got no media attention whatsoever and was swept under the carpet by most pundits with comments such as 'ach sure he's a lovely fella' so there is a certain element of hypocrisy here.
I also don't believe that Dublin are better off without Connolly. They will sail into a qf/sf depending on the draw but in those last 2/3 matches they will need to have the manic aggression needed to win 3 in a row. Connolly is proven at that level and whilst they have some fine players on the bench, they are not proven serial winners like Connolly.
Do you think Dublin were expecting a tight game v Westmeath? There was every possibly that this was going to be a turkey shoot. Gavin's outburst is so utterly ludicrous that there must be a motive behind it because if he genuinely feels that Connolly's been hard done by here then he really has lost the plot.
Sure he said he accepted the ban?
It is a shrewd move by Gavin and even if it gets them a 1% advantage or creates a doubt in a referees mind later in the season it will have been worth it
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 27, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
There certainly seems to have been a big surprise in the media yesterday about Jim Gavin's strange interview. I really only got to watch it in detail last night and even the way it started off was very peculiar in that he was almost denying there was a problem and that he was doing interviews in the more public domain of the auditorium.
It really looked like a staged performance to get a reaction or as some say to difuse away from their huge win over Westmeath. It so reminds me of how Mickey Harte used to do impeccable interviews back in the early 2000s where he spoke openly and honestly like Gavin likes to appear but then it all went pear shaped.
I think part of it is that RTE have 3 Kerry men now on the TSG panel and he maybe felt he had to lay down a marker than he would stand by his player no matter what. However, like I said yesterday I think he's just drawn more attention to Connolly and his past and maybe this is a big ploy to force some fans to think Connolly is just not worth the hassle any more and Dublin can win without him anyway. Most of expect Dublin to get to the AI final again this year without Connolly and so maybe Gavin's plan was to show that Dublin GAA are better off without all the hassle he brings to the table.
Listening to Brolly last night and it's hard to take the man seriously at any level as he spouts so many tall tales and exagerrations of the truth. Most of what he said of Spillane was untrue and I don't get the big deal being made of him reading out a script. I mean so what if he did read something out of his notes, as long as it was accurate. Was his point about if it was Gooch then would it have been different?
If Gooch had of pushed the linesman then he too would have been punished the same in my eyes.
If it was pre-rehearsed press conference which I do think it was, there is no way Gavin simply dreamt it up as a reaction to beating Westmeath by 31 points. It was thought up between the suspension being issued and Sunday's match. For a team that plan everything meticulously I don't believe that this was an off the cuff reaction to deflect attention from a big win.
I think you may be on to something in relation to the number of Kerry men in the media. He referenced Spillane particularly who was definitely wearing his county hat. The more serious matter imo of the failed drugs test got no media attention whatsoever and was swept under the carpet by most pundits with comments such as 'ach sure he's a lovely fella' so there is a certain element of hypocrisy here.
I also don't believe that Dublin are better off without Connolly. They will sail into a qf/sf depending on the draw but in those last 2/3 matches they will need to have the manic aggression needed to win 3 in a row. Connolly is proven at that level and whilst they have some fine players on the bench, they are not proven serial winners like Connolly.
Do you think Dublin were expecting a tight game v Westmeath? There was every possibly that this was going to be a turkey shoot. Gavin's outburst is so utterly ludicrous that there must be a motive behind it because if he genuinely feels that Connolly's been hard done by here then he really has lost the plot.
No, I don't. Equally I don't think they would have expected it to be as easy. I certainly don't think the motive was to deflect from a big win against Westmeath. That game was never going to define Dublin's season. Dublin's biggest rivals for retaining Sam are Kerry and Gavin knows this. It's why he chose to isolate Spillane in his criticism of the coverage (though he was the pundit who set the ball rolling on this). It's a source of motivation for him and his team to use Spillane's criticism as fuel over the next 3 months. Spillane was clearly wearing his Kerry hat and Sunday Game pundits do have too much influence, but equally Gavin has over reacted. However he doesn't care one jot, his only duty is to win an AI with Dublin, not whether he fulfills his media duties for the rest of the season.
Not a big fan of Conlon but he's spot on here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15)
Managers are starting to sound and act like politicans.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 27, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
Managers are starting to sound and act like politicans.
Starting?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 27, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Not a big fan of Conlon but he's spot on here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15)
If you need to use the likes of Conlon to plead your case then God help us.
I prefer Paul Grimley's take on the matter.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-sunday-game-panel-cant-be-involved-in-character-assassination-paul-grimley-backs-jim-gavin-stand-35868951.html
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 27, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Not a big fan of Conlon but he's spot on here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15)
If you need to use the likes of Conlon to plead your case then God help us.
I prefer Paul Grimley's take on the matter.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-sunday-game-panel-cant-be-involved-in-character-assassination-paul-grimley-backs-jim-gavin-stand-35868951.html
This the same man who invented his own reasons to be angry at the media because he was shite at his job?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 27, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Not a big fan of Conlon but he's spot on here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15)
If you need to use the likes of Conlon to plead your case then God help us.
I prefer Paul Grimley's take on the matter.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-sunday-game-panel-cant-be-involved-in-character-assassination-paul-grimley-backs-jim-gavin-stand-35868951.html
Grimley is 100% correct here. If anyone thinks that a few Sunday Game pundits do not set the narrative, then watch the reporting of Down at the weekend. Instead of reporting knee dropping and aggressive tactics with slo-mo's of the controversial incidents, we got affectionate descriptions of anarchy and chaos and statements that that's what you've got to do to win.
I've no problem with them not highlighting Downs misdemeanours but it's the double standards and hypocrisy that exists depending on the colour of jersey worn. If it had been another county with a different manager the narrative would have been completely different. Plenty of people won't admit it but there is an irrational hatred of Dublin and their recent success by many media pundits and print journalists. They all each have their set agenda's but they have the luxury of getting paid to comment on these sideshows.
Exactly what part of Spillane's punditry supports this hysterical claim of a "character assassination" on Connolly?
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Off course DC was in the wrong and he only has himself to blame but TSG didn't hammer the knee incident from Saturday night, none of them called for bans and now the CcCCCcC don't see fit to do anything about tackles which are unbelievably dangerous.
Is it coincidence? Nothing on TSG, no action taken?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 27, 2017, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 27, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Not a big fan of Conlon but he's spot on here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23e367be-5aa8-11e7-ad31-8e588690cd15)
If you need to use the likes of Conlon to plead your case then God help us.
I prefer Paul Grimley's take on the matter.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-sunday-game-panel-cant-be-involved-in-character-assassination-paul-grimley-backs-jim-gavin-stand-35868951.html
Grimley is 100% correct here. If anyone thinks that a few Sunday Game pundits do not set the narrative, then watch the reporting of Down at the weekend. Instead of reporting knee dropping and aggressive tactics with slo-mo's of the controversial incidents, we got affectionate descriptions of anarchy and chaos and statements that that's what you've got to do to win.
I've no problem with them not highlighting Downs misdemeanours but it's the double standards and hypocrisy that exists depending on the colour of jersey worn. If it had been another county with a different manager the narrative would have been completely different. Plenty of people won't admit it but there is an irrational hatred of Dublin and their recent success by many media pundits and print journalists. They all each have their set agenda's but they have the luxury of getting paid to comment on these sideshows.
I fully agree. To take it a bit further had the offender been wearing a white shirt with a red hand badge they would have been all over it also
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
What part of Connolly pushing a referee and triggering a mandatory 12 week ban needs any due process? You'd swear we were talking about a murder case with only circumstantial evidence.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
What part of Connolly pushing a referee and triggering a mandatory 12 week ban needs any due process? You'd swear we were talking about a murder case with only circumstantial evidence.
If all this was so obvious to the "impartial" pundits on the Sunday Game why did the referee and linesman take absolutely
no action during the game?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
The incident where a player kicked the ball at an umpire, Louth's Ryan Burns, was not put under great scrutiny by The Sunday Game panel or anyone else.
Result? 12 week ban, just as the rule says.
Do the crime, do the time. Read the refs report is what CCCC does, and that is plenty.
On Connolly, Ref felt it worthy of inclusion in his report, which does not follow as he took no action at the time. Indeed, both the ref and the linesman in question should have been dropped for a round or two due to such under-performance.
If Gavin can use this to rally or motivate his team in some way, good luck to him. But I doubt the players need such motivation.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 27, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
The incident where a player kicked the ball at an umpire, Louth's Ryan Burns, was not put under great scrutiny by The Sunday Game panel or anyone else.
Result? 12 week ban, just as the rule says.
Do the crime, do the time. Read the refs report is what CCCC does, and that is plenty.
On Connolly, Ref felt it worthy of inclusion in his report, which does not follow as he took no action at the time. Indeed, both the ref and the linesman in question should have been dropped for a round or two due to such under-performance.
If Gavin can use this to rally or motivate his team in some way, good luck to him. But I doubt the players need such motivation.
Sure they already know they're hated by 31 other counties.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0627/885998-burns-banned-for-12-weeks-for-kicking-ball-at-umpire/
Looks like big Dermo isn't the only player being called out for interfering with an official. Gavin referred to other incidents being glossed over in his lament, I wonder was Burns the incident he was talking about?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 27, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
The incident where a player kicked the ball at an umpire, Louth's Ryan Burns, was not put under great scrutiny by The Sunday Game panel or anyone else.
Result? 12 week ban, just as the rule says.
Do the crime, do the time. Read the refs report is what CCCC does, and that is plenty.
Please don't interrupt this discussion with concrete evidence which directly conflicts with hysteria about TSG pundits and Dub paranoia :D
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
What part of Connolly pushing a referee and triggering a mandatory 12 week ban needs any due process? You'd swear we were talking about a murder case with only circumstantial evidence.
If all this was so obvious to the "impartial" pundits on the Sunday Game why did the referee and linesman take absolutely no action during the game?
Because they're shite at their jobs. The rule was broke. End of.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 27, 2017, 09:25:23 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0627/885998-burns-banned-for-12-weeks-for-kicking-ball-at-umpire/
Looks like big Dermo isn't the only player being called out for interfering with an official. Gavin referred to other incidents being glossed over in his lament, I wonder was Burns the incident he was talking about?
Imagine getting 12 weeks and he never laid a hand on the official. :P
So far in 2017 am I right in saying Geezer, Comerford, Connolly and now Burns all deemed guilty under same rule and all have received the same ban?
The "character" assassination aspect is missing the point.
Media these days is a heavy dire mix of "personalities" jumping to the loudest drum.
Patteen pissed the Dubs off and that's the bottom line here.
It makes for great drama for the rest of us.
Hopefully we have a "non-dive" , "no knee in the balls" win at the weekend so as not to distract from this nonsense!
Long may the row between Papa Smirk Jim and Pet the Teach continue.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 27, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
Did you listen to Gavin's statement? He made it clear that this was NOT a matter of "getting the player off" but rather allowing due process to prevail. The whole concept of due process seems to be lost on the anti-Dublin brigade.
What part of Connolly pushing a referee and triggering a mandatory 12 week ban needs any due process? You'd swear we were talking about a murder case with only circumstantial evidence.
If all this was so obvious to the "impartial" pundits on the Sunday Game why did the referee and linesman take absolutely no action during the game?
Because they're shite at their jobs. The rule was broke. End of.
According to the wording of the rule any player or team official who puts their hand on an official breaks the rule. Yet plenty of players do it with no action
Edit: Connolly deserved his ban and I'm. It saying putting your hand on the refs shoulder while he is chatting to you is wrong. It's the wording of the rule I think needs to be looked at
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 27, 2017, 10:39:45 PM
So far in 2017 am I right in saying Geezer, Comerford, Connolly and now Burns all deemed guilty under same rule and all have received the same ban?
Y
Yeah, but only dermo was provoked and unfairly treated.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
At least it is showing consistency and that they are trying to change the mindset that players (and managers) need to change their attitude towards showing more respect to the officials.
The CCCC can only punish what they see or get video evidence of just like a ref can only punish what he or his officials see. Both the CCCC and the refs will miss loads of incidents and this is what managers are using to say "yeah but you didn't punish so and so"
If you're driving your car up the motorway at 90mph and get pulled over for speeding, you don't tell the cop "why didn't you stop those other cars that were doing the same speed as me".
We need to change our attitude towards suspensions and stop this whole trying to wriggle out of it rubbish when we know the player is guilty.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
Weird stance to take. These suspensions are just fine to be honest.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
Was he red carded right away?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 28, 2017, 12:15:05 PM
If you're driving your car up the motorway at 90mph and get pulled over for speeding, you don't tell the cop "why didn't you stop those other cars that were doing the same speed as me".
If you're driving your car up the motorway at 90mph and get pulled over for speeding, and the cop accepts your explanation and tells you that you're okay and go ahead, but then changes his mind a few days later and processes a charge against you, you'd have a right to feel aggrieved.
You might feel disappointed or annoyed as you thought you got away with it but deep down you know you broke the law and it didn't make it right that he was going to let you off.
There seems to be an attitude that the ref or linesman ONLY changed his mind because Pat Spillane influenced them or told them what to do.
The reason we use video evidence in sport is to ensure fair play/justice is done.
Some are now saying we don't want justice done in some cases as we cannot ensure it will always be done in all cases.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
Was he red carded right away?
Yes. Straight red card as the umpire was very pissed off ans called the ref's attention who sent him packing.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
SS, you conducted a vindictive witch hunt against this player the other day, taking advantage of your respected profile on this board and you being from another county altogether, a rival county, must have had a biased agenda. You assassinated the character of the Louth player by remarking upon his part in that incident and alluding to the intent.
No doubt the CCCC would never have bothered with this lower league player only for the incident to be highlighted with discrimination on the GAA Board.
At least we are starting to see a bit of consistency now.
If this is done across the board starting with high profile games then there is no doubt it will improve our games overall. Fantastic news.
Players would be as well keeping their noses clean this weekend (unless you want to put your knees Down on someone - its fine to do that)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Always liked dublin and they have played great fball over the past 5-6yrs but they became a dislikeable team and you could laid alot of that at gavin! Oh poor dermot; seriously how about some player and team discpline! The blame for connolly attitude lies with the player himself and the manager! The sunday game only pointing out a issue which we all can see, now its a attitude of get the player off where he was right or wrong!
You have articulated what I have been thinking.
They do try to play football, with the exception of (Kilkenny who while in possession has been known to run back towards his own goals likes a headless chicken).
Their supporters are for the most part decent, good GAA men, but just spare me the BS, by Gavin, (who looked as comfortable as someone who just had a dose of Diarrhea),
Connolly is not a first or second time offender, just as he lost the rag and IMO cost Dublin the league final, he was stupid to push the linesman, move on.
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2017, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
SS, you conducted a vindictive witch hunt against this player the other day, taking advantage of your respected profile on this board and you being from another county altogether, a rival county, must have had a biased agenda. You assassinated the character of the Louth player by remarking upon his part in that incident and alluding to the intent.
No doubt the CCCC would never have bothered with this lower league player only for the incident to be highlighted with discrimination on the GAA Board.
Did you miss the bit about the ref giving a red card?!
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2017, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
the suspension for kicking the football is absolutely ridiculous
I was at the game and the player was aggrieved at the umpires decision to wave a ball wide when Burns thought it was a 45.
Umpire turned his back and the player belted the ball and him, and it hit him on the arse.
12 weeks is fine in my opinion.
SS, you conducted a vindictive witch hunt against this player the other day, taking advantage of your respected profile on this board and you being from another county altogether, a rival county, must have had a biased agenda. You assassinated the character of the Louth player by remarking upon his part in that incident and alluding to the intent.
No doubt the CCCC would never have bothered with this lower league player only for the incident to be highlighted with discrimination on the GAA Board.
Actually I feel sorry for the chap. It was the only thing he hit after he came on.
Boom Boom.
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
The thread is about Connolly.
I'm sure people will contribute to a thread about Gleeson if one was started.
Quote from: mup on June 30, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
The thread is about Connolly.
I'm sure people will contribute to a thread about Gleeson if one was started.
I'm just looking at a bit of perspective here really. What Connolly did was tame enough. But I can see how it needs to be clamped down on so that it sets some standard for club football and protection of refs.
It's just interesting to hear podcasts and GAA shows filled with people castigating Gavin, Connolly or previously Aidan O'Shea taking a picture. But when it comes to a criminal offence it's all quiet.
Something just doesn't sit well with where the light sometimes is being shone.
It's funny that the media - obviously enough - get way more up in arms over any sort of media ban than the average supporter.
For what it's worth - I agree Gavin is behaving like a pup, Connolly's ban is deserved. I've no huge love for Mayo, but think people gave O'Shea a hard time over not a lot.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: mup on June 30, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
The thread is about Connolly.
I'm sure people will contribute to a thread about Gleeson if one was started.
I'm just looking at a bit of perspective here really. What Connolly did was tame enough. But I can see how it needs to be clamped down on so that it sets some standard for club football and protection of refs.
It's just interesting to hear podcasts and GAA shows filled with people castigating Gavin, Connolly or previously Aidan O'Shea taking a picture. But when it comes to a criminal offence it's all quiet.
Something just doesn't sit well with where the light sometimes is being shone.
It's funny that the media - obviously enough - get way more up in arms over any sort of media ban than the average supporter.
For what it's worth - I agree Gavin is behaving like a pup, Connolly's ban is deserved. I've no huge love for Mayo, but think people gave O'Shea a hard time over not a lot.
Absolutely agree with you regarding O'Shea and for any other player doing the same thing for that matter.
I believe Gavin et all acted like spoilt brats in this instance. It was a case of 'how dare they do this to us - we're Dublin'. The whole thing had blown over until Gavin fanned the flames again.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
he got convicted, suspended sentence
Connolly avoided a conviction for assault by paying the assaulted person a few grand
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
Didn't Kildare Alan Smith take money from someone else as well? Gleeson should be dropped from Tipp panel
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
What a stupid post.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 30, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
Didn't Kildare Alan Smith take money from someone else as well? Gleeson should be dropped from Tipp panel
He did. Not sure of the circumstances.
Quote from: mup on June 30, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 30, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
Didn't Kildare Alan Smith take money from someone else as well? Gleeson should be dropped from Tipp panel
He did. Not sure of the circumstances.
Did he get jail? Remember reading about it at the time.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 30, 2017, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: mup on June 30, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 30, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
Didn't Kildare Alan Smith take money from someone else as well? Gleeson should be dropped from Tipp panel
He did. Not sure of the circumstances.
Did he get jail? Remember reading about it at the time.
To be honest I'm not sure. Is it still ongoing maybe?
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
What a stupid post.
Very insightful Hardy. Really added to the debate there
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
What a stupid post.
Very insightful Hardy. Really added to the debate there
Agree Hardy. Has no relation to this thread.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
What a stupid post.
Very insightful Hardy. Really added to the debate there
Sorry - I should be a little more restrained. What I mean is - was there a referee's report on the Tipp goalkeeper's crime and are should the CCCC be investigating it?
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2017, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 30, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
40 pages about Connolly pointing a finger into a linesmans shoulder. Whereas we have a goalkeeper from the hurling all Ireland winners taking huge sums of money and deceiving an 80 year old man and there's little said in hurling quarters.
What a stupid post.
Very insightful Hardy. Really added to the debate there
Sorry - I should be a little more restrained. What I mean is - was there a referee's report on the Tipp goalkeeper's crime and are should the CCCC be investigating it?
When it comes to attacking Diarmuid Connolly on this forum nothing is off limits.
When it comes to attacking Diarmuid Connolly on this forum nothing is off limits.
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Oh we know, Diarmuid has rights as part of the republic
Wholly made a good point on his podcast during the week, basically it's laughable Gavin claiming Connolly's good name was attacked when he has no good name.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
"When it comes to attacking Connolly on this forum nothing is off limits".
Oh we know, Diarmuid has rights as part of the republic
Wholly made a good point on his podcast during the week, basically it's laughable Gavin claiming Connolly's good name was attacked when he has no good name.
I rest my case
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 30, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
"When it comes to attacking Connolly on this forum nothing is off limits".
Oh we know, Diarmuid has rights as part of the republic
Wholly made a good point on his podcast during the week, basically it's laughable Gavin claiming Connolly's good name was attacked when he has no good name.
I rest my case
I don't think the jury will take too long to decide this one in fairness.
As a neutral, its look to me that its a testament to Connollys playing ability and greatness that is no so much talk on this forum, 41 pages in the height of championship on a nothing incident.
He has made mistakes on and off the field but based solely on this incident and taking nothing else into consideration its very harsh on him.
Id say he is still training and he will start the semi final if Dublin reach it.
Its the busiest weekend in the championship so far, i think its time to move on, the championship has been great so far IMO.
Ironic to hear Joe Brolly complaining that Pat "..was like watching counsel for the prosecution. Pat had everything on but his Kerry blazer and his Kerry tie. I thought to myself after, the CCCC are going to act here."
Of course Joe would never confuse a pundit's role with being a counsel for the prosecution ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4)
Subsequent media reports recorded that poor Sean was treated like a leper, people would cross the street in order to avoid him even in his own county, a pariah in a county of pariahs. I hope Diarmuid rises above this alleged dastardly character assassination, it must have been awful because I can't find a quote of it anywhere online, probably taken down I presume in order to protect the children.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 01, 2017, 12:27:47 AM
As a neutral, its look to me that its a testament to Connollys playing ability and greatness that is no so much talk on this forum, 41 pages in the height of championship on a nothing incident.
He has made mistakes on and off the field but based solely on this incident and taking nothing else into consideration its very harsh on him.
Id say he is still training and he will start the semi final if Dublin reach it.
Its the busiest weekend in the championship so far, i think its time to move on, the championship has been great so far IMO.
He got the minimum possible punishment for a clear as day infraction. It's not harsh, you could argue that it's lenient.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Ironic to hear Joe Brolly complaining that Pat "..was like watching counsel for the prosecution. Pat had everything on but his Kerry blazer and his Kerry tie. I thought to myself after, the CCCC are going to act here."
Of course Joe would never confuse a pundit's role with being a counsel for the prosecution ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4)
Subsequent media reports recorded that poor Sean was treated like a leper, people would cross the street in order to avoid him even in his own county, a pariah in a county of pariahs. I hope Diarmuid rises above this alleged dastardly character assassination, it must have been awful because I can't find a quote of it anywhere online, probably taken down I presume in order to protect the children.
What Brolly did was actually much worse, in terms of character assassination.
As a Derry man, you could argue he particularly enjoyed sticking the knife into Sean.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 01, 2017, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 01, 2017, 12:27:47 AM
As a neutral, its look to me that its a testament to Connollys playing ability and greatness that is no so much talk on this forum, 41 pages in the height of championship on a nothing incident.
He has made mistakes on and off the field but based solely on this incident and taking nothing else into consideration its very harsh on him.
Id say he is still training and he will start the semi final if Dublin reach it.
Its the busiest weekend in the championship so far, i think its time to move on, the championship has been great so far IMO.
He got the minimum possible punishment for a clear as day infraction. It's not harsh, you could argue that it's lenient.
If it was "clear as day" why did the ref not issue a red card?
If the game had not been televised with no subsequent trial by television there would have been no suspension.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Ironic to hear Joe Brolly complaining that Pat "..was like watching counsel for the prosecution. Pat had everything on but his Kerry blazer and his Kerry tie. I thought to myself after, the CCCC are going to act here."
Of course Joe would never confuse a pundit's role with being a counsel for the prosecution ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7EYe42Lln4)
Subsequent media reports recorded that poor Sean was treated like a leper, people would cross the street in order to avoid him even in his own county, a pariah in a county of pariahs. I hope Diarmuid rises above this alleged dastardly character assassination, it must have been awful because I can't find a quote of it anywhere online, probably taken down I presume in order to protect the children.
Witch-hunt from Whelan on Paddy Durcan, presume Joe will call him out on it
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 01, 2017, 12:27:47 AM
He has made mistakes on and off the field but based solely on this incident and taking nothing else into consideration its very harsh on him.
It's a fairly open and shut case to be honest. Did he push the linesman albeit slightly? Yes.
And the punishment is pretty clear in the rulebook.
How the f**k it has rumbled on I have no idea.
Jim and his ghostwriter on the money here https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-why-jim-gavin-should-retract-diarmuid-connolly-remarks-1.3142176 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-why-jim-gavin-should-retract-diarmuid-connolly-remarks-1.3142176)
I see Charlie Redmond is wading in on this. How is this fella let onto the airwaves - he's a clown of the highest order.
He made a tit of himself last year with his raving about Lee Keegan and he's doing it again now:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0718/891132-charlie-redmond (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0718/891132-charlie-redmond)
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Charlie Redmond has hit back strongly at Jim McGuinness's suggestion that Jim Gavin should back down from his staunch defence of Diarmuid Connolly, and said the Dublin manager "has stood up for his player in a way that Jim McGuinness never did or never could do".
Dublin opted not to undertake one-to-one broadcast interviews following their 31-point win over Westmeath in the Leinster Football Championship semi-final on Sunday.
The decision was related to coverage of the incident with Connolly which saw the forward banned for 12 weeks after their game against Carlow, with Gavin claiming there was an "assault on [Connolly's] good name" through the media analysis of it, particularly on The Sunday Game.
In his Irish Times column, McGuinness wrote: "I do feel [Gavin] made a mistake in this instance and the smart thing to do would be to retract the comments.
"Dublin are a big team and a big entity. Gavin is the top manager in the country. There is a responsibility that comes with that. This was a clear-cut incident: one of his players infringed and had to be punished."
"Jim Gavin has stood up for his player in a way that Jim McGuinness never did or never could do, because... there's a huge amount of loyalty within this Dublin team.
Redmond, speaking to 98fm Sport, claimed Gavin was merely protecting his player, and accused McGuinness of bringing "Gaelic games to depths that it has never seen previously", in reference to his defensive style when in charge of Donegal.
"Whatever Jim McGuinness says, I just completely disregard because that man brought Gaelic games to depths that it has never seen previously," said the former Dublin forward.
"That man's standing with me... he has none.
"Jim Gavin has stood up for his player in a way that Jim McGuinness never did or never could do, because... there's a huge amount of loyalty within this Dublin team.
"When somebody wrongs a Dublin player, and the Dublin people believe that Diarmuid Connolly was wronged, they are going to stand up and they are going to fight for him.
"And they're going to fight tooth and nail to make sure that player is represented. These players are fighting tooth and nail to give Diarmuid Connolly a chance to get back to Croke Park, albeit in a semi-final or a final if we can get there.
"They want Diarmuid Connolly to go on to Croke Park at some stage in this championship season and that's their goal."
Fair play to DC. Showed excellent leadership in last 15 minutes and kicked a great point.
I said it at the time that this incident was actually of benefit to Dublin. O'Callaghan had a brilliant year and Connolly was able to come into the game and exert a huge influence when it was needed. He was fresh and free from injury/suspension.
Havent read this thread, but personally love Diarmuid Connolly. Fantastic footballer and takes awful abuse.
Quote from: Gael85 on September 19, 2017, 02:11:44 PM
Fair play to DC. Showed excellent leadership in last 15 minutes and kicked a great point.
Won the free too
Quote from: Gael85 on September 19, 2017, 02:11:44 PM
Fair play to DC. Showed excellent leadership in last 15 minutes and kicked a great point.
He always kicks a great point or two.
Lost in the hype after Donegal ambushed them in 2014 was the fact that Connolly scored two of the best points I've ever seen, one on either foot, after jinking around multiple players in zero space.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 19, 2017, 05:55:24 PM
Havent read this thread, but personally love Diarmuid Connolly. Fantastic footballer and takes awful abuse.
+1
He had the last laugh, pretty much won that all Ireland for Dublin.
1. His calmness he brought to it, telling all Dublin players to slow it down, keep possession, spread out the wings, more space.
2. His point, steps yes but played advantage, great score.
3. His wonderful wonderful pass to Rock taking the defender out, no one else could do that.
4. His winning free, knew exactly what he was doing, yes he looked for it but he knew if he drew them in and shimmied they would foul.
He had the last laugh and now has 5 All Irelands, not mentioning his 2 club All Irelands and all the other medals he has.
Without much hullabaloo and limelight, he will be back playing championship hurling for Vincent's this weekend as he's firstly a proud and proper club man first.
And I don't think we need a thread on We need to talk about Lee......
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2017, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on September 19, 2017, 02:11:44 PM
Fair play to DC. Showed excellent leadership in last 15 minutes and kicked a great point.
He always kicks a great point or two.
Lost in the hype after Donegal ambushed them in 2014 was the fact that Connolly scored two of the best points I've ever seen, one on either foot, after jinking around multiple players in zero space.
To be blunt, his status has outstripped his actual contributions on the biggest stages by quite a degree. Connolly also doesn't kick many easy, let alone hard, points when matched up on Keegan, which belies the fact that he is not close to being the best player in the country that was still the line in most quarters until around last year's AI finals.
All that said, he is still an excellent player when he decides to keep his head. I would give Kevin Mc just as much if not more credit for steadying Dublin in the second half on Sunday, though. He's a player that actually deserves more praise than he gets IMO.
What was his thought process re sleeveless top and track suit pants in the warm up? 2 fingers to Gavin ?I doubt he was impressed with Flynn coming on ahead of him, never mind not getting the start !
I wonder will he give the hurling a proper go next year when the big name takes over the hurlers :-X
Quote from: ballinaman on September 21, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
What was his thought process re sleeveless top and track suit pants in the warm up? 2 fingers to Gavin ?I doubt he was impressed with Flynn coming on ahead of him, never mind not getting the start !
I wonder will he give the hurling a proper go next year when the big name takes over the hurlers :-X
If rumours about the Hurling management are true, I would say there is good chance you wont see Connolly play football for Dublin again.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 21, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
What was his thought process re sleeveless top and track suit pants in the warm up? 2 fingers to Gavin ?I doubt he was impressed with Flynn coming on ahead of him, never mind not getting the start !
I wonder will he give the hurling a proper go next year when the big name takes over the hurlers :-X
i'd say somehting similar to he wearing a leitrim top in the 2011 warm up i'd say. dont think he gives a toss for talks of process and image in fairness to him
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2017, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on September 19, 2017, 02:11:44 PM
Fair play to DC. Showed excellent leadership in last 15 minutes and kicked a great point.
He always kicks a great point or two.
Lost in the hype after Donegal ambushed them in 2014 was the fact that Connolly scored two of the best points I've ever seen, one on either foot, after jinking around multiple players in zero space.
To be blunt, his status has outstripped his actual contributions on the biggest stages by quite a degree. Connolly also doesn't kick many easy, let alone hard, points when matched up on Keegan, which belies the fact that he is not close to being the best player in the country that was still the line in most quarters until around last year's AI finals.
All that said, he is still an excellent player when he decides to keep his head. I would give Kevin Mc just as much if not more credit for steadying Dublin in the second half on Sunday, though. He's a player that actually deserves more praise than he gets IMO.
who is the best player in the country so i can benchmark then if DC isn't close to being it ????
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 21, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
What was his thought process re sleeveless top and track suit pants in the warm up? 2 fingers to Gavin ?I doubt he was impressed with Flynn coming on ahead of him, never mind not getting the start !
I wonder will he give the hurling a proper go next year when the big name takes over the hurlers :-X
If rumours about the Hurling management are true, I would say there is good chance you wont see Connolly play football for Dublin again.
Was perusing through the AI hurling semifinal program when Dublin minors were on the undercard and they'd a bit where the last time they'd played Cork at minor hurling and there's a good few of the current Dublin football squad named, James McCarthy, Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and one of the subs who didn't get a run out on Sunday, not to mention Con O'Callaghan who was fantastic for Cuala in the AI club series.
Who's lined up to take the big money job in hurling?
No money involved this time round.
Believe it or believe it not, Pat Gilroy is strongly rumoured to be a done deal.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
No money involved this time round.
Believe it or believe it not, Pat Gilroy is strongly rumoured to be a done deal.
Can't say I know much about his hurling pedigree or background. Has he managed clubs in Dublin?
I guess he'll be the manager and they'll get a hurling coach in to do the training (if that's not putting it in too simplistic terms)?
Played a bit of hurling for Vincent's but you would be right, not a hurling man and a big name coach or 2 coaches will be brought in. It looks like a steady the ship job, get the players back that have been lost and attract hurlers that maybe inclined to football.
Even though I heard its a done deal, I'm still not convinced until officially confirmed. Totally left field.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
No money involved this time round.
Believe it or believe it not, Pat Gilroy is strongly rumoured to be a done deal.
That's who I heard too.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
Played a bit of hurling for Vincent's but you would be right, not a hurling man and a big name coach or 2 coaches will be brought in. It looks like a steady the ship job, get the players back that have been lost and attract hurlers that maybe inclined to football.
Even though I heard its a done deal, I'm still not convinced until officially confirmed. Totally left field.
Not as left field as Sean Boylan thinking he'd accepted the Meath hurling job when he was actually offered the football job and that didn't exactly go too badly.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 21, 2017, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
Played a bit of hurling for Vincent's but you would be right, not a hurling man and a big name coach or 2 coaches will be brought in. It looks like a steady the ship job, get the players back that have been lost and attract hurlers that maybe inclined to football.
Even though I heard its a done deal, I'm still not convinced until officially confirmed. Totally left field.
Not as left field as Sean Boylan thinking he'd accepted the Meath hurling job when he was actually offered the football job and that didn't exactly go too badly.
Sean Boylan was the hurling manager before being asked to take on the football role. Shame to spoil a good story.
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
maybe a lesson to be learned for Roscommon manager if he is interested in getting the best players in the county back on the panel.
or maybe its only leopard players who change spots, leopard manager maybe paid too much to
While Connolly made a positive contribution on Sunday, his tally now stands at 4 points from play in 6 All Irelands. Does he contribute enough at the business end of the championship to warrant being touted as Dublin's greatest ever (Paul Curran last Saturday)?
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
maybe a lesson to be learned for Roscommon manager if he is interested in getting the best players in the county back on the panel.
or maybe its only leopard players who change spots, leopard manager maybe paid too much to
Stop trying to continually distract from the uncomfortable truths about Dublin.
Syferis,
i trust at this stage you have at least primary school completed and suspect by your many post timings you might actually have made college.
so you should know the difference between TRUTH and OPINION. No mater how often you post your opinion unless you can back it with hard facts it remains that your OPINION
Truth definition, the true or actual state of a matter.
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
maybe a lesson to be learned for Roscommon manager if he is interested in getting the best players in the county back on the panel.
or maybe its only leopard players who change spots, leopard manager maybe paid too much to
Will leave that for a thread it belongs in. I was actually praising Connolly for taking his chance and redeeaming himself in the process. It was a memorable moment in a marvelous game of football.
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
maybe a lesson to be learned for Roscommon manager if he is interested in getting the best players in the county back on the panel.
or maybe its only leopard players who change spots, leopard manager maybe paid too much to
Will leave that for a thread it belongs in. I was actually praising Connolly for taking his chance and redeeaming himself in the process. It was a memorable moment in a marvelous game of football.
credit to Connolly he showed serious maturity even if the haters still find faults....
my response on other was based on your username and hoping Connolly is proof everyone can move on if they want to
Indeed Elphinman.
Wouldn't it be great to see the best 30 footballers in Ros on our panel come 1st January.
Will any of Dublin's senior citizens retire?
rossfan it would be
i havent a clue about Dublin footballers other than watching them, they are 150 miles from my front door where rugby is my challenge
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
To be blunt, his status has outstripped his actual contributions on the biggest stages by quite a degree. Connolly also doesn't kick many easy, let alone hard, points when matched up on Keegan, which belies the fact that he is not close to being the best player in the country that was still the line in most quarters until around last year's AI finals.
All that said, he is still an excellent player when he decides to keep his head. I would give Kevin Mc just as much if not more credit for steadying Dublin in the second half on Sunday, though. He's a player that actually deserves more praise than he gets IMO.
Not a lot to argue with there. Unfortunately, these days, people seem to have to nail their colours to the mast when it comes to talking about Connolly, or O'Shea and Keegan too, for that matter. If you say anything good or bad about either of them, then it turns into this big Mayo v Dublin brouhaha and, the specific nuts and bolts of what they do on the actual pitch, is almost an after thought. Connolly deserves great credit for winning the free that Rock converted and his composure immediately afterwards. But what about the ridiculous Hail Mary shot he attempted a few minutes before? There wouldn't have been a need for Rock to kick that free, if Connolly had shown more common sense there, that the likes of Brogan, McMannamon or Mannion typically display in the dying minutes of games. Aido sent one up of his own last year too. But mention either of those and, you will automatically be labeled a bitter begrudger, depending on who you are talking to. It's very tiresome. :-\
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
We are in the very best position to judge him.
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
Nonsense. We have eyes.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2017, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
We are in the very best position to judge him.
You dont rate him as is your perogative but who is the best footballer in the country you alluded to in disapariging Connolly ??
Dermot Connolly is a fantastically gifted player. He has power, perception and scoring ability and you wouldn't doubt his bravery. What he lacks at times is temperament. He will probably be listed as one of the most gifted players ever but in Snooker terms will be a Hurricane Higgins rather than a Stephen Hendry. Personally, I wouldn't have minded being either.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2017, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
We are in the very best position to judge him.
Are we really? you've seen the best players from the 40s/50s/60s and before play enough times to really judge DCs place in the list of all time greats?
Quote from: Beffs on September 21, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Connolly is a fantastic player. That shouldn't be in doubt. His position in the all time greats list will only ever be opinion. Let's be honest, none of us are on a position to say one way or the other really
Nonsense. We have eyes.
I imagine you do just like I imagine the same eyes won't have seen the players from 60/70 years ago
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276161
Lol.
Sent off for 2 yellows. Were you at the game and able to comment on it ?????
Quote from: Orchard park on September 25, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Sent off for 2 yellows. Were you at the game and able to comment on it ?????
When has not being at a game or knowing nothing about it ever stopped him from commenting
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 25, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 25, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Sent off for 2 yellows. Were you at the game and able to comment on it ?????
When has not being at a game or knowing nothing about it ever stopped him from commenting
Lol. Again.
We just need to stop replying to him. It's the only answer. Ignore function and please don't quote his posts.
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 25, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 25, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Sent off for 2 yellows. Were you at the game and able to comment on it ?????
When has not being at a game or knowing nothing about it ever stopped him from commenting
Lol. Again.
Again??
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 25, 2017, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 25, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 25, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Sent off for 2 yellows. Were you at the game and able to comment on it ?????
When has not being at a game or knowing nothing about it ever stopped him from commenting
Lol. Again.
Again??
Ne'er mind 'em Syf, keep 'er lit!
As long as you're about, I know I'm can't be the biggest bullshitter on the board. ;D
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 21, 2017, 03:42:49 PM
Dermot Connolly is a fantastically gifted player. He has power, perception and scoring ability and you wouldn't doubt his bravery. What he lacks at times is temperament. He will probably be listed as one of the most gifted players ever but in Snooker terms will be a Hurricane Higgins rather than a Stephen Hendry. Personally, I wouldn't have minded being either.
I agree with you, he's all that and more.
Frustrated with the hurling, Diarmuid will be making himself available for the Irish rugby team in the upcoming 6 nations championship.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
If there was ever a moment of ironic salvation in the GAA, it was Diarmuid Connolly calling for calm after winning the free that was just about to win Dublin the All-Ireland, after being banned for most of the Summer for needlessly losing the head over a sideline ball in Carlow.
maybe a lesson to be learned for Roscommon manager if he is interested in getting the best players in the county back on the panel.
or maybe its only leopard players who change spots, leopard manager maybe paid too much to
Stop trying to continually distract from the uncomfortable truths about Dublin.
Its better then the uncomfortable truth of your alleged "footballers" being embarrassed in Croke Park.....again
Diarmuid Connolly is one of the greatest players the game has ever seen and he doesn't need to justify his existence to you or anybody else here who quite frankly aren't good enough to even stand in his shadow
Syfīn hasn't ever been up in Court on assault charges.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 12:31:30 AM
Syfīn hasn't ever been up in Court on assault charges.
What's that got to do with the topic in hand ?
Nothing
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
I'm sorry, but that's claptrap. Connolly is right up there as one of the greats of the modern era. The temperament line is always brought up, there's plenty of the all time greats had a fair bit of devilment in the locker
Quote from: JoG2 on September 26, 2017, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
I'm sorry, but that's claptrap. Connolly is right up there as one of the greats of the modern era. The temperament line is always brought up, there's plenty of the all time greats had a fair bit of devilment in the locker
Devilment ;D ;D
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
Yeah, you'd have to rule Diego Maradona out of being one of the greatest footballers of all-time on a similar basis.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2017, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
Yeah, you'd have to rule Diego Maradona out of being one of the greatest footballers of all-time on a similar basis.
Diego also has 2 less all star awards.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 26, 2017, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 09:11:05 AM
A supremely gifted and talented player but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time.
The best are usually considered the best because they have the complete package which would include temperament, character, reliability etc and unfortunately Connolly has shown to be lacking in a few of these areas in recent years. The best can also usually be relied upon 9 times out of 10 to perform to a level and where they can be the difference between winning and losing.
A supremely gifted footballer but a heck of a way to go before being considered one of the greatest of all time.
I'm sorry, but that's claptrap. Connolly is right up there as one of the greats of the modern era. The temperament line is always brought up, there's plenty of the all time greats had a fair bit of devilment in the locker
A bit if devilment is one thing. Spending as much time as he does mired in controversy, getting sent off, getting suspended etc etc is on a whole other level to anyone else. The true all time greats are able to rise above the on the pitch provocation, bullshit and gamesmanship and stay on the pitch long enough to influence the outcome of games, more often than not, when it really matters. They'll have their moments now and then, but they are there when it matters, most of the time. The problem with Connolly is that what is the exception to the rule for most other players, is becoming the norm for him. His physical skill set is never in question. His mental one is. That is part of the package when judging players place in the pantheon of All Time Greats imo.
He redeemed him self a lot with his performance in the AI final. But one could argue that Dublin probably wouldn't have been in the tricky position that they found himself in in the first place, if Connolly had started the game. Connolly would have occupied Lee Keegan's time as he normally does, leaving Ciaran Kilkenny free to play his usual playmaker role. That may have led to a more comfortable victory for Dublin. We'll never know for sure, if that would have ever happened. But the factors at play that resulted in Jim Gavin having doubts about starting Connolly, are Connolly's fault and no one elses.
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
I agree it's not all about scoring, but he has been marked out of at least two of those finals. I just think overall he hasn't contributed enough in finals to be considered an ALL TIME GREAT.
But that just my opinion. And there is no definitive list of all time greats, just people's opinions of who the all time greats are!
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
We just need to stop replying to him. It's the only answer. Ignore function and please don't quote his posts.
Amen to that.
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
I agree it's not all about scoring, but he has been marked out of at least two of those finals. I just think overall he hasn't contributed enough in finals to be considered an ALL TIME GREAT.
But that just my opinion. And there is no definitive list of all time greats, just people's opinions of who the all time greats are!
True, it's all about personal perception. It's hard to shine on the biggest stage when you are being marked by currently the greatest man-marker there is, they will both cancel each other out. But DC is one of the best players in the game, and has been for a number of years, that surely stands.
I went to see him play for Vincents against Slaughtneil last year and was expecting him to really shine but in fact it was the opposite. Connolly actually looked disinterested.
Im sure he wasn't and im sure he tried his best but even in defeat I was expecting him to be a lot better than what was on show. The one player worth the admission fee that day was McCaigue, his marker.
Divilment I can understand to a degree, but constantly getting involved and courting controversy are not what id associate with a 'great'. He will probably be remembered as much for the controversy attached to him as he will for his positive footballing contributions. Lets be honest, youd be pulling your hair out if your best player was regularly not on the field due to suspensions. He wont do much damage sittin on the sidelines watching games.
I didn't know Maradonna played GAA.
Connolly isn't an all time great. Very good player at times but his scoring return is poor enough when it comes down to it. He wouldn't be the first man to be marked by a top opposition defender either, the likes of Canavan, Cooper, Fitzgerald etc all would have been earmarked as the dangermen in every game they played.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I didn't know Maradonna played GAA.
Never heard of "Maradonna" but I have heard of Maradona and he played football, association football. There is no such sport as GAA. There is a sport called Gaelic football however, which Connolly plays.
Your rationale for not rating Connolly as a great player is on the basis of his "temperament, character and reliability", so on the basis of that you'd also have to not rate Maradona as a great player given that he frequently let his temperament get the better of him, had a dubious character and was sent home from a World Cup for failing a drugs test and served a year's ban in 1991-92, so "reliability" wasn't his strong point.
Maradona was also the greatest association football player in history, and there have been many other great players in different sports who have had dubious "temperament, character and reliability", so your assertion as it relates to Connolly is nonsense.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I went to see him play for Vincents against Slaughtneil last year and was expecting him to really shine but in fact it was the opposite. Connolly actually looked disinterested.
Im sure he wasn't and im sure he tried his best but even in defeat I was expecting him to be a lot better than what was on show. The one player worth the admission fee that day was McCaigue, his marker.
100% agree with this. I also think he's an outstanding footballer and went to Newry specifically to see him and was really disappointed in what I saw. He made no effort to get on the ball and stood still on the 45 for most of the game with virtually no off the ball running.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I didn't know Maradonna played GAA.
Never heard of "Maradonna" but I have heard of Maradona and he played football, association football. There is no such sport as GAA. There is a sport called Gaelic football however, which Connolly plays.
Your rationale for not rating Connolly as a great player is on the basis of his "temperament, character and reliability", so on the basis of that you'd also have to not rate Maradona as a great player given that he frequently let his temperament get the better of him, had a dubious character and was sent home from a World Cup for failing a drugs test and served a year's ban in 1991-92, so "reliability" wasn't his strong point.
Maradona was also the greatest association football player in history, and there have been many other great players in different sports who have had dubious "temperament, character and reliability", so your assertion as it relates to Connolly is nonsense.
Ok. Youre right.
That's how his name is spelt after all and again youre right, there is no sport called GAA.
Association Football. Great stuff.
Quote from: mackers on September 26, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I went to see him play for Vincents against Slaughtneil last year and was expecting him to really shine but in fact it was the opposite. Connolly actually looked disinterested.
Im sure he wasn't and im sure he tried his best but even in defeat I was expecting him to be a lot better than what was on show. The one player worth the admission fee that day was McCaigue, his marker.
100% agree with this. I also think he's an outstanding footballer and went to Newry specifically to see him and was really disappointed in what I saw. He made no effort to get on the ball and stood still on the 45 for most of the game with virtually no off the ball running.
great footballer has a poor game shocker! Take Chrissy McKaigue for example as he's mentioned above, who I rate very highly. I've seen McKaigue, in the space of a week having Peter Harte in his back pocket to getting the runaround from Marty Clarke. Even the best have their odd off days.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2017, 12:17:47 PM
Connolly isn't an all time great. Very good player at times but his scoring return is poor enough when it comes down to it. He wouldn't be the first man to be marked by a top opposition defender either, the likes of Canavan, Cooper, Fitzgerald etc all would have been earmarked as the dangermen in every game they played.
another classic beatdown stick, lumping a half forward in with the greatest inside forwards of the modern era as a comparison .
Well you might not see him play inter county football again. Gilroy as hurling manager announcement imminent is the strong rumour circulating.
Why would that mean the end of him as a footballer?
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I didn't know Maradonna played GAA.
Never heard of "Maradonna" but I have heard of Maradona and he played football, association football. There is no such sport as GAA. There is a sport called Gaelic football however, which Connolly plays.
Your rationale for not rating Connolly as a great player is on the basis of his "temperament, character and reliability", so on the basis of that you'd also have to not rate Maradona as a great player given that he frequently let his temperament get the better of him, had a dubious character and was sent home from a World Cup for failing a drugs test and served a year's ban in 1991-92, so "reliability" wasn't his strong point.
Maradona was also the greatest association football player in history, and there have been many other great players in different sports who have had dubious "temperament, character and reliability", so your assertion as it relates to Connolly is nonsense.
Ok. Youre right.
That's how his name is spelt after all and again youre right, there is no sport called GAA.
Association Football. Great stuff.
You forgot to mention that Maradona was the greatest ever association football player. Without a doubt. 100% fact.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 02:46:56 PM
Why would that mean the end of him as a footballer?
Inter-county football, will play for club. Could switch to Hurling now while still enough time to do it.
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
I agree it's not all about scoring, but he has been marked out of at least two of those finals. I just think overall he hasn't contributed enough in finals to be considered an ALL TIME GREAT.
But that just my opinion. And there is no definitive list of all time greats, just people's opinions of who the all time greats are!
True, it's all about personal perception. It's hard to shine on the biggest stage when you are being marked by currently the greatest man-marker there is, they will both cancel each other out. But DC is one of the best players in the game, and has been for a number of years, that surely stands.
I think there is no question that Connolly is one of the best players currently in the game - I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue against that point.
Although, I think you are being very generous to connolly to suggest that he and Keegan cancelled each other out in the finals where they marked each other.
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
I agree it's not all about scoring, but he has been marked out of at least two of those finals. I just think overall he hasn't contributed enough in finals to be considered an ALL TIME GREAT.
But that just my opinion. And there is no definitive list of all time greats, just people's opinions of who the all time greats are!
True, it's all about personal perception. It's hard to shine on the biggest stage when you are being marked by currently the greatest man-marker there is, they will both cancel each other out. But DC is one of the best players in the game, and has been for a number of years, that surely stands.
I think there is no question that Connolly is one of the best players currently in the game - I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue against that point.
Although, I think you are being very generous to connolly to suggest that he and Keegan cancelled each other out in the finals where they marked each other.
Both good footballers with a very 'nasty streak'
Quote from: Real Talk on September 26, 2017, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 26, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 26, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
IMO, the big question mark against Connolly being one of the greatest of all times is his record in All Ireland finals.
In my opinion, great players deliver most on the big day when most needed by their team.
Connolly is a fantastic footballer, no doubt, but I just think his record in AI finals leaves him a bit short of all time greatness.
He has played in 5 and a half finals (including '16 replay & '17 second half). He has scored 1-4 in those 5.5 matches and the goal was a penalty. For a top class forward his scoring return is poor enough (especially compared to the likes of Canavan or Cooper).
it's not all about scoring, it's about what else he contributes
I agree it's not all about scoring, but he has been marked out of at least two of those finals. I just think overall he hasn't contributed enough in finals to be considered an ALL TIME GREAT.
But that just my opinion. And there is no definitive list of all time greats, just people's opinions of who the all time greats are!
True, it's all about personal perception. It's hard to shine on the biggest stage when you are being marked by currently the greatest man-marker there is, they will both cancel each other out. But DC is one of the best players in the game, and has been for a number of years, that surely stands.
I think there is no question that Connolly is one of the best players currently in the game - I think it'd be hard for anyone to argue against that point.
Although, I think you are being very generous to connolly to suggest that he and Keegan cancelled each other out in the finals where they marked each other.
Both good footballers with a very 'nasty streak'
Keegan's is premeditated, Connolly's is because he can't control his emotions. They come from very different places. One is intended to help his team (whatever your opinions on the means) and the other is sheer selfishness. Please don't equivocate the two.
He might be one if the most talented players in the game but even bestowing him with being one of the best may be a stretch given his unreliability and lack of end product in AI finals. Much like AOS, a lot of talk about but found wanting at key moments.
Wasn't found wanting in the second half this of this years final
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 26, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
Wasn't found wanting in the second half this of this years final
Did you watch this years Al Ireland final Syf or were you too focusing on Andy Moran while stabbing your Andy Moran doll at the same time!
DC basically won the AI for Dublin in that last move when it mattered most. He took the game by the scruff got the free that won it
Given his court appearance and his reaction to provocation on the litch he will never be loved by any non Dub but he is one of if not the best player currently playing the game and certainly the most talented
All time great...yes he is...main man on a team that has won 4 all Irelands.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 26, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I didn't know Maradonna played GAA.
Never heard of "Maradonna" but I have heard of Maradona and he played football, association football. There is no such sport as GAA. There is a sport called Gaelic football however, which Connolly plays.
Phoenetically there is no difference between Maradonna and Maradona so if you "heard" of one you must have "heard" of the other. Before you condescendingly correct another poster you might spend time correcting your own post.
On the off-chance that this is another of your efforts at humour, I'm sorry but it's lost on me as was your ignorant post re. Tony Keady's wife for which I still haven't seen an apology or retraction posted.
Quote from: Gold on September 27, 2017, 08:46:30 AM
DC basically won the AI for Dublin in that last move when it mattered most. He took the game by the scruff got the free that won it
Given his court appearance and his reaction to provocation on the litch he will never be loved by any non Dub but he is one of if not the best player currently playing the game and certainly the most talented
All time great...yes he is...main man on a team that has won 4 all Irelands.
IMO, he wasn't the main man in those finals though, and that's why I wouldn't have him as an all time great. But to be fair, he was very good in this year's final (but only played a half).
For natural talent, Diarmuid is as good as I have seen and I'm going back as far as Mikey Sheehy and Matt Connors when I say this but I'd hesitate calling him one of the greatest.
He was an absolute sensation when he came on the Dublin team. He was at least as good as the young Clifford fella , the Kerry minor, but it soon became obvious that his temperament was flaky.
If h got away to a good start, he could shoot the lights out but if he was beaten to the first couple of balls or if he missed with his early shots at goal, he was off the boil for the remainder of the game.
Opposition players would set out to rattle him and, more often than not, they would succeed. A couple of dirty tackles and he'd start losing the rag. I think you need more than pure talent alone to qualify as a great player. You'd need leadership qualities where a good player would raise his game when the going became tough and inspire the others around him. GIven his notorious temper, I'd say his mates were afraid he'd get put off and he certainly did not inspire anybody, except maybe the opposition.
I'm being serious here. I once heard a radio commentator comparing him to a lighthouse in a bog: brilliant but useless.
It was obvious as time went on that the management were taking steps to help him get his temper under control and most of the time they succeeded but I'd say all club and county managers since he started playing feel a bit uneasy, especially if he gets rattled at an early stage of the game when he hasn't settled down yet.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276161
Dublin SHC: Connolly sees red for Vin's as Con nets again for Cuala
Misunderstood child!!
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 27, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276161
Dublin SHC: Connolly sees red for Vin's as Con nets again for Cuala
Misunderstood child!!
Old news. Already dealt with.
Apologies, don't follow this all the time
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 27, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276161
Dublin SHC: Connolly sees red for Vin's as Con nets again for Cuala
Misunderstood child!!
Were you at the game? Heard Fergal Whitely had a great for Crokes.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
For natural talent, Diarmuid is as good as I have seen and I'm going back as far as Mikey Sheehy and Matt Connors when I say this but I'd hesitate calling him one of the greatest.
He was an absolute sensation when he came on the Dublin team. He was at least as good as the young Clifford fella , the Kerry minor, but it soon became obvious that his temperament was flaky.
If h got away to a good start, he could shoot the lights out but if he was beaten to the first couple of balls or if he missed with his early shots at goal, he was off the boil for the remainder of the game.
Opposition players would set out to rattle him and, more often than not, they would succeed. A couple of dirty tackles and he'd start losing the rag. I think you need more than pure talent alone to qualify as a great player. You'd need leadership qualities where a good player would raise his game when the going became tough and inspire the others around him. GIven his notorious temper, I'd say his mates were afraid he'd get put off and he certainly did not inspire anybody, except maybe the opposition.
I'm being serious here. I once heard a radio commentator comparing him to a lighthouse in a bog: brilliant but useless.
It was obvious as time went on that the management were taking steps to help him get his temper under control and most of the time they succeeded but I'd say all club and county managers since he started playing feel a bit uneasy, especially if he gets rattled at an early stage of the game when he hasn't settled down yet.
Good post but can't agree with him being as good as Clifford at the same age. Additionally he doesn't score enough in the big games.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
For natural talent, Diarmuid is as good as I have seen and I'm going back as far as Mikey Sheehy and Matt Connors when I say this but I'd hesitate calling him one of the greatest.
He was an absolute sensation when he came on the Dublin team. He was at least as good as the young Clifford fella , the Kerry minor, but it soon became obvious that his temperament was flaky.
If h got away to a good start, he could shoot the lights out but if he was beaten to the first couple of balls or if he missed with his early shots at goal, he was off the boil for the remainder of the game.
Opposition players would set out to rattle him and, more often than not, they would succeed. A couple of dirty tackles and he'd start losing the rag. I think you need more than pure talent alone to qualify as a great player. You'd need leadership qualities where a good player would raise his game when the going became tough and inspire the others around him. GIven his notorious temper, I'd say his mates were afraid he'd get put off and he certainly did not inspire anybody, except maybe the opposition.
I'm being serious here. I once heard a radio commentator comparing him to a lighthouse in a bog: brilliant but useless.
It was obvious as time went on that the management were taking steps to help him get his temper under control and most of the time they succeeded but I'd say all club and county managers since he started playing feel a bit uneasy, especially if he gets rattled at an early stage of the game when he hasn't settled down yet.
Good post but can't agree with him being as good as Clifford at the same age. Additionally he doesn't score enough in the big games.
To be fair to Diarmuid here, I never saw him play underage football of any sort before he played for the county. So you really can't compare like for like. Clifford hasn't played senior yet so we'll have to wait and see what will happen when Lee Keegan or Philly McMahon picks him up on their radars.
Quote from: Gold on September 27, 2017, 08:46:30 AM
DC basically won the AI for Dublin in that last move when it mattered most. He took the game by the scruff got the free that won it
Given his court appearance and his reaction to provocation on the litch he will never be loved by any non Dub but he is one of if not the best player currently playing the game and certainly the most talented
All time great...yes he is...main man on a team that has won 4 all Irelands.
He is in his hole. Going into this years final, he wouldn't even make my list of the top 5 players that have made the biggest contributions to Dublins All Ireland medal haul. He'd be doing well to make the top 10. Philly McMahon, Kev Mc, Bernard Brogan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthey and Michael Daragh McAuley have all made bigger contributions in AI finals and semi finals than Connolly has. None of them are as physically talented as him maybe, but that is a different argument entirely. Can you really say that he has more made more of an contribution than all of those Dublin players have? Think about that for a sec.
He got the best roasting i ever seen from Mckeigue of Slaughtneil scoring 4 points from play off him last year in the club semi
The dubs think that was the Rossie refs fault
Quote from: Orchard park on September 27, 2017, 10:42:30 PM
The dubs think that was the Rossie refs fault
The Duba also think Croke Park is a neutral venue.
1. I don't think hateful comments on this forum are the barometer to classify Connolly's greatness.
2. With 5 All Irelands, 4 Leagues , 10 Leinsters.. 2 club all Irelands. 4 club Leinsters and 4 Dublin club championships, 2 All Stars and 1 under 21 hurlingLeinster. He is an all time great.
3. Can have bad games, like all great players, specially man marked, sometimes by 2 players. Gooch vrs McMahon springs to mind.
4. He has done some spectacular things on the pitch over the years, the All Ireland Club final when he scored 2-06 springs to mind.
5. People just say he isn't because they don't like him and hes a dub but history will remember him as being one of the great players of the modern era.
Hes very good but in short i pick Cooper; Fitzgerald; Canavan; M Connor; in front if him and a number if others level with him: If it down to half forwards only then u looking at him been level with Giles; Donnellan etc:
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
1. I don't think hateful comments on this forum are the barometer to classify Connolly's greatness.
2. With 5 All Irelands, 4 Leagues , 10 Leinsters.. 2 club all Irelands. 4 club Leinsters and 4 Dublin club championships, 2 All Stars and 1 under 21 hurlingLeinster. He is an all time great.
3. Can have bad games, like all great players, specially man marked, sometimes by 2 players. Gooch vrs McMahon springs to mind.
4. He has done some spectacular things on the pitch over the years, the All Ireland Club final when he scored 2-06 springs to mind.
5. People just say he isn't because they don't like him and hes a dub but history will remember him as being one of the great players of the modern era.
You are being very blinkered with the comment in bold.
Lots of fair minded people (I would consider myself one!) don't think he is an all time great for football reasons. I've never met the man so I don't know if I like him or not. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen on the football pitch.
As I've said already, it's only my opinion. You are entitled to your's as well. But saying that people don't rate him because he is from Dublin is just plain wrong.
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2017, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
1. I don't think hateful comments on this forum are the barometer to classify Connolly's greatness.
2. With 5 All Irelands, 4 Leagues , 10 Leinsters.. 2 club all Irelands. 4 club Leinsters and 4 Dublin club championships, 2 All Stars and 1 under 21 hurlingLeinster. He is an all time great.
3. Can have bad games, like all great players, specially man marked, sometimes by 2 players. Gooch vrs McMahon springs to mind.
4. He has done some spectacular things on the pitch over the years, the All Ireland Club final when he scored 2-06 springs to mind.
5. People just say he isn't because they don't like him and hes a dub but history will remember him as being one of the great players of the modern era.
You are being very blinkered with the comment in bold.
Lots of fair minded people (I would consider myself one!) don't think he is an all time great for football reasons. I've never met the man so I don't know if I like him or not. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen on the football pitch.
As I've said already, it's only my opinion. You are entitled to your's as well. But saying that people don't rate him because he is from Dublin is just plain wrong.
Don't think so, if you monitored this site and others over the last few years, a lot of it is ill will negative type comments. Some, not all, cant bring themselves to say he is a good player or great player because of 1. Dub. 2. Temper. 3. Dub fans. Outside of forums there is genuine recognition that he is a brilliant football and one of the most skilful to play the game.
Fact is, they will probably laochra gael him in a few years.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2017, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
1. I don't think hateful comments on this forum are the barometer to classify Connolly's greatness.
2. With 5 All Irelands, 4 Leagues , 10 Leinsters.. 2 club all Irelands. 4 club Leinsters and 4 Dublin club championships, 2 All Stars and 1 under 21 hurlingLeinster. He is an all time great.
3. Can have bad games, like all great players, specially man marked, sometimes by 2 players. Gooch vrs McMahon springs to mind.
4. He has done some spectacular things on the pitch over the years, the All Ireland Club final when he scored 2-06 springs to mind.
5. People just say he isn't because they don't like him and hes a dub but history will remember him as being one of the great players of the modern era.
You are being very blinkered with the comment in bold.
Lots of fair minded people (I would consider myself one!) don't think he is an all time great for football reasons. I've never met the man so I don't know if I like him or not. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen on the football pitch.
As I've said already, it's only my opinion. You are entitled to your's as well. But saying that people don't rate him because he is from Dublin is just plain wrong.
Don't think so, if you monitored this site and others over the last few years, a lot of it is ill will negative type comments. Some, not all, cant bring themselves to say he is a good player or great player because of 1. Dub. 2. Temper. 3. Dub fans. Outside of forums there is genuine recognition that he is a brilliant football and one of the most skilful to play the game.
Fact is, they will probably laochra gael him in a few years.
Point 2 (temper) is relevant to the debate as to whether he is a great or not. Points 1 and 3 are irrelevant.
This guy makes really good compilations videos of players, so many good ones over the years.
Here is Connolly's. https://www.facebook.com/pg/mauricewalshphotography/videos/?ref=page_internal
So other very good ones on his page.
Have ye not cottoned onto the fact TheGreatest is a troll account yet?
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2017, 02:14:08 PM
Have ye not cottoned onto the fact TheGreatest is a troll account yet?
No they haven't.......
Its not trolling when you state facts. I just don't go along with the narrative of the forum which is quite clear what certain posters narrative is. The above post is not trolling, just stating facts.
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2017, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
1. I don't think hateful comments on this forum are the barometer to classify Connolly's greatness.
2. With 5 All Irelands, 4 Leagues , 10 Leinsters.. 2 club all Irelands. 4 club Leinsters and 4 Dublin club championships, 2 All Stars and 1 under 21 hurlingLeinster. He is an all time great.
3. Can have bad games, like all great players, specially man marked, sometimes by 2 players. Gooch vrs McMahon springs to mind.
4. He has done some spectacular things on the pitch over the years, the All Ireland Club final when he scored 2-06 springs to mind.
5. People just say he isn't because they don't like him and hes a dub but history will remember him as being one of the great players of the modern era.
You are being very blinkered with the comment in bold.
Lots of fair minded people (I would consider myself one!) don't think he is an all time great for football reasons. I've never met the man so I don't know if I like him or not. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen on the football pitch.
As I've said already, it's only my opinion. You are entitled to your's as well. But saying that people don't rate him because he is from Dublin is just plain wrong.
I've never met Connolly either but I do like him as a player. I think he's great and I'm an Armagh man, so not a Dub.
However, I don't think anyone can say he is an all time great for the simple reason that we cant properly judge him against players from the past, esp pre 60s. For sure I couldn't judge him against people from the 70s and back.
IMO though he is a modern great. That's just an opinion though
Is Owen Mulligan an all time great? Stephen O'Neill? Paddy Bradley? Benny Coulter? Brendan Devenney? Mattie Forde? Michael Meehan? Dessie Dolan?
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Is Owen Mulligan an all time great? Stephen O'Neill? Paddy Bradley? Benny Coulter? Brendan Devenney? Mattie Forde? Michael Meehan? Dessie Dolan?
Do any of them have the medal hall of Connolly? Do they have hurling medals and club all Irelands?
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 28, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Is Owen Mulligan an all time great? Stephen O'Neill? Paddy Bradley? Benny Coulter? Brendan Devenney? Mattie Forde? Michael Meehan? Dessie Dolan?
Do any of them have the medal hall of Connolly? Do they have hurling medals and club all Irelands?
You cant just judge it on medal haul. Eoghan O'Gara has a very impressive medal haul for example
O'neill might be.
Connolly has phenomenal ability. On his day he is up there with the best in the game. We saw in the club final against castlebar what he is capable of.
His temperament lets him down.
Dublin have superb footballers everywhere but in my view, ability wise, he has more than any of them. Bernard brogan only one who rivals him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
O'neill might be.
Connolly has phenomenal ability. On his day he is up there with the best in the game. We saw in the club final against castlebar what he is capable of.
His temperament lets him down.
Dublin have superb footballers everywhere but in my view, ability wise, he has more than any of them. Bernard brogan only one who rivals him.
In American football they have a saying, availability is your best ability..
Brian Mullins and Bernard Brogan are a pair of genuine greats in my opinion. Others may disagree but it's fair to say that Diarmuid can turn it on when the team is going well but in days when they weren't as good as now, I can't recollect him stepping up to the plate and leading the way back, as it were. Alan Brogan too was a never say die man either. He also always gave it 100%.
He plays on a great team; Maurice Fitzgerald had to play 10yrs in one of Kerrys worst ever teams ever until the late 90's! Theres probably many a great player in lower counties barely ever seen remotely outside their own county!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 28, 2017, 10:50:13 PM
Brian Mullins and Bernard Brogan are a pair of genuine greats in my opinion. Others may disagree but it's fair to say that Diarmuid can turn it on when the team is going well but in days when they weren't as good as now, I can't recollect him stepping up to the plate and leading the way back, as it were. Alan Brogan too was a never say die man either. He also always gave it 100%.
When donegal tanked dublin that year he was fantastic.
Also fair to say that in his era there has rarely been a scenario where one guy has needed to take the bull by horns.inthe final they beat kerry in with the cluxton point he was very good when not everyone was mind you.
I would agree on brogan. Connolly fantastic ability but not up there due to attitude. The attitude seems to make people forget the ability.
Disagree with the above, one of the most skilful and best players of all time.
Club comes into it too. That's the foundation. People say well club is club, but he's always marked by inter county players.
For Dublin he's a team player and over the years Gavin used him as a tracking wing forward.
Team player.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 28, 2017, 11:24:41 PM
He plays on a great team; Maurice Fitzgerald had to play 10yrs in one of Kerrys worst ever teams ever until the late 90's! Theres probably many a great player in lower counties barely ever seen remotely outside their own county!
Would you classify Cavanagh as a great player? played on a great team through the noughties.
Top player. Very similar to Ger Cavlan of Tyrone. Sometimes there can be a downside to these type of great athletes but on the field in form there's no better sight. I'd have him as the best footballer bar none of the last 6 years at least.
Yeah Cavanagh a great player and not far off a spot on the greatest team of the ever; probably be 1 of the subs as i feel theres a few men in front of him in midfield and i likely have Donnellan ahead of him in a wing half forward slot
Quote from: rrhf on September 29, 2017, 08:42:48 AM
Top player. Very similar to Ger Cavlan of Tyrone. Sometimes there can be a downside to these type of great athletes but on the field in form there's no better sight. I'd have him as the best footballer bar none of the last 6 years at least.
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Cavlan was a majestic footballer, anyone who doesn't recognise this shouldn't be acknowledged
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2017, 02:14:08 PM
Have ye not cottoned onto the fact TheGreatest is a troll account yet?
You'd certainly know
Diarmuid Connolly with just one score from play in tonights Dublin club quarter final against a ropey defence and that point came with the last kick of the game. Mossy Quinn who must be in his mid 30s the main forward on show.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 29, 2017, 08:08:13 PM
Diarmuid Connolly with just one score from play in tonights Dublin club quarter final against a ropey defence and that point came with the last kick of the game. Mossy Quinn who must be in his mid 30s the main forward on show.
The conductor was doing just that. Playing a deep outlying role and making Vins tick when required. Easy victory so didnt need to hit top gear. But did pop up with a 40 yarder off his weak foot that 90% of county players couldn't even dream of.
Some goal by Mannion in the second game, but he'd been quiet otherwise, as has Kilkenny. Castleknock keeping in at half time. Crokes should win but mightnt
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 29, 2017, 04:32:56 PM
Cavlan was a majestic footballer, anyone who doesn't recognise this shouldn't be acknowledged
Gerard Cavlan was a good footballer he is not comparable to Diarmuid Connolly in the slightest! Cavanagh/Canavan or O'Neill yes but not Cavlan!!
Lovely stuff tonight
https://twitter.com/TommyMartinTV3/status/913825581929811968
Funny how some people think a forward only has a good game if they score a bucketful
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 29, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Funny how some people think a forward only has a good game if they score a bucketful
Not as funny as forward rated as the best forward in Ireland almost getting held scoreless from play against average club team and then hyped up with passes where no one was marking him as he laid them off.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 29, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 29, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Funny how some people think a forward only has a good game if they score a bucketful
Not as funny as forward rated as the best forward in Ireland almost getting held scoreless from play against average club team and then hyped up with passes where no one was marking him as he laid them off.
So did he get held scoreless or not because you haven't quite made yourself clear in your post!
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 29, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 29, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Funny how some people think a forward only has a good game if they score a bucketful
Not as funny as forward rated as the best forward in Ireland almost getting held scoreless from play against average club team and then hyped up with passes where no one was marking him as he laid them off.
So did he get held scoreless or not because you haven't quite made yourself clear in your post!
Scored a point from play deep into injury time.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-passes-374700
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 30, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-passes-374700
Watched the full game apart from a few decent moments i thought he was fairly subdued however with hype like within that link he can do no wrong. Kilkenny had less of influence in the 2nd televised game any links for his few good plays?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 30, 2017, 01:35:05 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 30, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-passes-374700
Watched the full game apart from a few decent moments i thought he was fairly subdued however with hype like within that link he can do no wrong. Kilkenny had less of influence in the 2nd televised game any links for his few good plays?
Eir sport twitter feed. https://twitter.com/eirSport?lang=en
A few clips there including a lovely goal by Mannion.
Yeah i hear what your saying, he just plays when he wants to, bet when he does, its magnificent to watch.
Hopefully a few more club games on EIR sport accross the country
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2017, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 29, 2017, 04:32:56 PM
Cavlan was a majestic footballer, anyone who doesn't recognise this shouldn't be acknowledged
Gerard Cavlan was a good footballer he is not comparable to Diarmuid Connolly in the slightest! Cavanagh/Canavan or O'Neill yes but not Cavlan!!
Both had very similar styles. Cavlan could also do midfield which I'm sure Connolly could as well.
Claudine and Robbie Keane at Syls v Vincent's game. Claudine's brother was playing for Syls.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sportsfile/status/913851501268922368/photo/1
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 30, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 29, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 29, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Funny how some people think a forward only has a good game if they score a bucketful
Not as funny as forward rated as the best forward in Ireland almost getting held scoreless from play against average club team and then hyped up with passes where no one was marking him as he laid them off.
So did he get held scoreless or not because you haven't quite made yourself clear in your post!
Scored a point from play deep into injury time.
So he wasn't held scoreless.
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 02:08:31 PM
So he wasn't held scoreless.
I said almost. The full time whistle was blown seconds after he got that score from play.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 30, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 02:08:31 PM
So he wasn't held scoreless.
I said almost. The full time whistle was blown seconds after he got that score from play.
It was worth waiting for though, wasn't it?
Absolute class. Off his weak foot too. Genius.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 30, 2017, 01:35:05 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 30, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-passes-374700
Watched the full game apart from a few decent moments i thought he was fairly subdued however with hype like within that link he can do no wrong. Kilkenny had less of influence in the 2nd televised game any links for his few good plays?
There is no hype with Diarmuid Connolly . Perfection in Gaelic Football form. Now run along to the Confession Box and you may be forgiven.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 01, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
There is no hype with Diarmuid Connolly . Perfection in Gaelic Football form.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on October 01, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 30, 2017, 01:35:05 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 30, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-passes-374700
Watched the full game apart from a few decent moments i thought he was fairly subdued however with hype like within that link he can do no wrong. Kilkenny had less of influence in the 2nd televised game any links for his few good plays?
There is no hype with Diarmuid Connolly . Perfection in Gaelic Football form. Now run along to the Confession Box and you may be forgiven.
Jasus Indy. Go for a walk or something and forget about Diarmuid for a while
in the papers again today
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-star-connolly-cynically-avoided-service-of-personal-injuries-proceedings-court-hears-36286882.html (https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-star-connolly-cynically-avoided-service-of-personal-injuries-proceedings-court-hears-36286882.html)
If this report is true then Dermo needs a good kick in the hole.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 03, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
in the papers again today
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-star-connolly-cynically-avoided-service-of-personal-injuries-proceedings-court-hears-36286882.html (https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-star-connolly-cynically-avoided-service-of-personal-injuries-proceedings-court-hears-36286882.html)
Really sounds like the actions of a contrite individual.
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim once again here. Diarmuid volunteers his free time year in year out. What more do the Public expect from him?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 03, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim once again here. Diarmuid volunteers his free time year in year out. What more do the Public expect from him?
You will find that Anthony Kelly is the victim. On April 24, 2015 the Injuries Board had made an assessment of damages against Mr Connolly in favour of Mr Kelly for €46,815. Kelly is appealing to get €60,000.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 03, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 03, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim once again here. Diarmuid volunteers his free time year in year out. What more do the Public expect from him?
You will find that Anthony Kelly is the victim. On April 24, 2015 the Injuries Board had made an assessment of damages against Mr Connolly in favour of Mr Kelly for €46,815. Kelly is appealing to get €60,000.
I may be wron Owen, but I think from the bunkers post may have been tounge in cheek.
Lucky to avoid doing time to be honest
Quote from: inthrough on November 03, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 03, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 03, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim once again here. Diarmuid volunteers his free time year in year out. What more do the Public expect from him?
You will find that Anthony Kelly is the victim. On April 24, 2015 the Injuries Board had made an assessment of damages against Mr Connolly in favour of Mr Kelly for €46,815. Kelly is appealing to get €60,000.
I may be wron Owen, but I think from the bunkers post may have been tounge in cheek.
I think you may be right, inthrough.
Indiana should be along here shortly defending his great friend :)
Its only matter of time before an ex Dublin footballer appears in the media to blame Lee Keegan for this.
Pretty poor carry on from Connolly and his legal advisors per that article which I'd struggle to believe is untrue. Disappointing to read that. He should be so grateful that he has avoided the slammer.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 04, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Pretty poor carry on from Connolly and his legal advisors per that article which I'd struggle to believe is untrue. Disappointing to read that. He should be so grateful that he has avoided the slammer.
There's zero chance that a solicitor was coming out with this in front of a judge if not true. The stuff about Connolly's solicitor and how he acted is the real clincher; very rarely does one legal professional call out another legal professional like this in front of a judge.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 04, 2017, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 04, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Pretty poor carry on from Connolly and his legal advisors per that article which I'd struggle to believe is untrue. Disappointing to read that. He should be so grateful that he has avoided the slammer.
There's zero chance that a solicitor was coming out with this in front of a judge if not true. The stuff about Connolly's solicitor and how he acted is the real clincher; very rarely does one legal professional call out another legal professional like this in front of a judge.
That legal firm has been called out by other legal firms for about 30 years now and much more than that!!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 03, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
In fairness Diarmuid is the victim once again here. Diarmuid volunteers his free time year in year out. What more do the Public expect from him?
Tom Humphreys was a great man for volunteering as well.
Quote from: mup on November 04, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
Its only matter of time before an ex Dublin footballer appears in the media to blame Lee Keegan for this.
Or Jim Gavin blaming Pat Spillane ;D
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
Could you not just accept the story presented reads poorly for Connolly? Your post unfortunately is "the way the world works now" with people defending the indefensible when it suits and then taking the opposite tack when going after others. Very Trumpian.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
Could you not just accept the story presented reads poorly for Connolly? Your post unfortunately is "the way the world works now" with people defending the indefensible when it suits and then taking the opposite tack when going after others. Very Trumpian.
I do, he did wrong, should of done jail time, got lucky, this was resolved in the courts a few years ago, suspended sentence, community service, anger management classes and a payment to the victim. Done. Now Victim wants money from Connolly and McGowan's, this is a civil matter. The criminal case long resolved.
I also believe is 2nd chances and people make mistakes, small and big mistakes.
51 pages and counting.
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
You serious?
Since when did Dublin people get so sensitive? I remember when ye were able to take it as well as give it!
I think the story is newsworthy as it brings into question how sorry he really was. I know he's probably following the advice of his legal team but it come across badly.
I think Connolly is one of the best players I've ever seen and tremendously enjoy watching him play. I've no axe to grind with him and unlike many non-Dubs have no problem with them winning the AI. This isn't a case of anti-Dub bias or me having a go for the laugh.
All that said - perhaps with an ongoing legal case we should limit what is said here. Might be an idea to lock this thread.
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
You serious?
i am serious. The thread has gone completely off topic and some of the stuff has nothing to do with GAA. Is there any moderators on this forum as thread should be closed??
I'm sure if you report something to them they'll deal with it appropriately.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
I'm sure if you report something to them they'll deal with it appropriately.
I wouldn't have any faith in moderators around here ;D
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
Could you not just accept the story presented reads poorly for Connolly? Your post unfortunately is "the way the world works now" with people defending the indefensible when it suits and then taking the opposite tack when going after others. Very Trumpian.
I do, he did wrong, should of done jail time, got lucky, this was resolved in the courts a few years ago, suspended sentence, community service, anger management classes and a payment to the victim. Done. Now Victim wants money from Connolly and McGowan's, this is a civil matter. The criminal case long resolved.
I also believe is 2nd chances and people make mistakes, small and big mistakes.
51 pages and counting.
Thankfully, I have zero personal experience of violent crime, so my knowledge of how our judicial system treats it would be minimal. But would it be the usual thing for someone to do jail time for a 1am drunken punch up in a pub, where someone gets their jaw broken?
I see a lot of people saying he should have been locked up for a spell, but is it the norm for a first offense? If I was the victim or his family, I'd probably think it should be. I'm no big fan of Connolly, or defending him, but shouldn't he be treated the same as everyone else & not receive a tougher sentence just because of who he is?
Like I said, I'm no expert, nor am I excusing his actions, but if every single bust up outside a chipper or pub, resulted in every single man who threw the first punch, doing serious jail time, we'd need a prison on every single street corner. Let's be honest here.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
Since when did Dublin people get so sensitive? I remember when ye were able to take it as well as give it!
I think the story is newsworthy as it brings into question how sorry he really was. I know he's probably following the advice of his legal team but it come across badly.
I think Connolly is one of the best players I've ever seen and tremendously enjoy watching him play. I've no axe to grind with him and unlike many non-Dubs have no problem with them winning the AI. This isn't a case of anti-Dub bias or me having a go for the laugh.
All that said - perhaps with an ongoing legal case we should limit what is said here. Might be an idea to lock this thread.
He does come across as bad and I know your post is not anti dub. I just don't think any GAA players should be discussed if there involved in a legal case
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
Since when did Dublin people get so sensitive? I remember when ye were able to take it as well as give it!
I think the story is newsworthy as it brings into question how sorry he really was. I know he's probably following the advice of his legal team but it come across badly.
I think Connolly is one of the best players I've ever seen and tremendously enjoy watching him play. I've no axe to grind with him and unlike many non-Dubs have no problem with them winning the AI. This isn't a case of anti-Dub bias or me having a go for the laugh.
All that said - perhaps with an ongoing legal case we should limit what is said here. Might be an idea to lock this thread.
He does come across as bad and I know your post is not anti dub. I just don't think any GAA players should be discussed if there involved in a legal case
If it's already in newspapers and on news sites it's more than fair game.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
The greatest I would suggest you do your reading about what Tyrone GAA is built on. Thuggery and violence play no part whatsoever in it. I would also suggest that if you carried out a randomn check of every GAA club in Tyrone and referenced how many of them have criminal records vs doing the same in Dublin, you would find a ten-fold increase in criminal records for the Jackeens....so wind your neck in.
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
The greatest I would suggest you do your reading about what Tyrone GAA is built on. Thuggery and violence play no part whatsoever in it. I would also suggest that if you carried out a randomn check of every GAA club in Tyrone and referenced how many of them have criminal records vs doing the same in Dublin, you would find a ten-fold increase in criminal records for the Jackeens....so wind your neck in.
There is a difference in being caught and not caught. More players in Dublin. Tyrone, a history of violence and Thuggery. Some of the worst incidents in recent years happened up there.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
The greatest I would suggest you do your reading about what Tyrone GAA is built on. Thuggery and violence play no part whatsoever in it. I would also suggest that if you carried out a randomn check of every GAA club in Tyrone and referenced how many of them have criminal records vs doing the same in Dublin, you would find a ten-fold increase in criminal records for the Jackeens....so wind your neck in.
There is a difference in being caught and not caught. More players in Dublin. Tyrone, a history of violence and Thuggery. Some of the worst incidents in recent years happened up there.
Whataboutery at it's finest.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
You serious?
i am serious. The thread has gone completely off topic and some of the stuff has nothing to do with GAA. Is there any moderators on this forum as thread should be closed??
There is no court case, that is over & done with with Connolly found guilty & sentenced.
This is about his apparent unwillingness to abide by the terms of his sentence & is not sub justice in any way.
He's fair game as I see it.
Quote from: inthrough on November 07, 2017, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
You serious?
i am serious. The thread has gone completely off topic and some of the stuff has nothing to do with GAA. Is there any moderators on this forum as thread should be closed??
There is no court case, that is over & done with with Connolly found guilty & sentenced.
This is about his apparent unwillingness to abide by the terms of his sentence & is not sub justice in any way.
He's fair game as I see it.
You've completely mis-read the article, as many others have.
There has been absolutely no unwillingness on Connolly's part "to abide by the terms of his sentence".
The victim was awarded just under €47k damages by the Personal Injuries Board. He has decided that is not good enough and is taking Connolly to court to try and get €60k (max award). He has every right to do this, but the courts apparently use the very same metrics etc to come up with a figure, and there is no guarantee he will get a penny more (not sure if it's possible to get less, and whether the victim is thus taking on some risk?). What is guaranteed is that his solicitor will get bags of publicity in this court case. Whether that is a reason that he advised his client not to accept €47k is anybody's guess.
What the new sensational article about is quite simply that the solicitor has been unable to figure out where Connolly lives! He needs to serve him with notice that the victim is not accepting the PIAB award and is going to court. Hanahoe has probably played silly buggers a bit by saying his engagement with Connolly ended at the end of the PIAB hearing and he seemingly gave the solicitor an address he had on file (the previous address of Connolly).
But this court ruling to extend the time allowed for them to serve the notice is routine where the other party has moved address in the recent past. It does prove that a high profile case will get bags of publicity for the most routine of motions.
Quote from: Hound on November 07, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: inthrough on November 07, 2017, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Connolly done wrong and very lucky to get away with this. But why is the civil case been discussed on GAA forum??. Connolly scored 1-1 in a county final and no mention of that.
You serious?
i am serious. The thread has gone completely off topic and some of the stuff has nothing to do with GAA. Is there any moderators on this forum as thread should be closed??
There is no court case, that is over & done with with Connolly found guilty & sentenced.
This is about his apparent unwillingness to abide by the terms of his sentence & is not sub justice in any way.
He's fair game as I see it.
You've completely mis-read the article, as many others have.
There has been absolutely no unwillingness on Connolly's part "to abide by the terms of his sentence".
The victim was awarded just under €47k damages by the Personal Injuries Board. He has decided that is not good enough and is taking Connolly to court to try and get €60k (max award). He has every right to do this, but the courts apparently use the very same metrics etc to come up with a figure, and there is no guarantee he will get a penny more (not sure if it's possible to get less, and whether the victim is thus taking on some risk?). What is guaranteed is that his solicitor will get bags of publicity in this court case. Whether that is a reason that he advised his client not to accept €47k is anybody's guess.
What the new sensational article about is quite simply that the solicitor has been unable to figure out where Connolly lives! He needs to serve him with notice that the victim is not accepting the PIAB award and is going to court. Hanahoe has probably played silly buggers a bit by saying his engagement with Connolly ended at the end of the PIAB hearing and he seemingly gave the solicitor an address he had on file (the previous address of Connolly).
But this court ruling to extend the time allowed for them to serve the notice is routine where the other party has moved address in the recent past. It does prove that a high profile case will get bags of publicity for the most routine of motions.
A good explanation & I stand corrected. When I think about it the notion of Connolly being able to hide in Dublin is a touch ridiculous.
Let's see how thigs pan out
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
The greatest I would suggest you do your reading about what Tyrone GAA is built on. Thuggery and violence play no part whatsoever in it. I would also suggest that if you carried out a randomn check of every GAA club in Tyrone and referenced how many of them have criminal records vs doing the same in Dublin, you would find a ten-fold increase in criminal records for the Jackeens....so wind your neck in.
There is a difference in being caught and not caught. More players in Dublin. Tyrone, a history of violence and Thuggery. Some of the worst incidents in recent years happened up there.
I'm not getting drawn into this, but you're actually talking about thuggery when the whole thread is to do with an ACTUAL act of thuggery that was ACCEPTED by the courts. Not hearsay, not a rumour but actual facts. Dermo = great player, maybe most skilful of all time but he also leaves himself open to criticism consistently by his behaviour.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
I will ask him, and I doubt very much, nay I know for a fact, that he'd laugh at your allegations. Incidentally, his assailant was not from Tyrone, rather from a rather successful county in the south-west of the country.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 07, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
The fascination continues. People care more about him than their own county players or club, sad really.
Bottom line, he did wrong 6 years ago, got away it with easily but that's the way the world works now.
I would also look at some the history of violence is some of your own counties GAA pitches were cowards keep their mouths shut, for example, Tyrone GAA was is and was built on violence and thuggery. Just ask the county chairman who was knocked out at a ladies county final.
I will ask him, and I doubt very much, nay I know for a fact, that he'd laugh at your allegations. Incidentally, his assailant was not from Tyrone, rather from a rather successful county in the south-west of the country.
So you're saying your chairman was knocked out at a match. Right.
You could post the same about every county in Ireland. Its ok when it happens on a GAA pitch, but off it its fair game.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/referee-knocked-out-at-gaa-match-in-co-tyrone-1.608583
Assault, any court case.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/incident-latest-disciplinary-controversy-to-hit-tyrone-181271.html
Assault, any court case.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/northern-ireland/16133984
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/08/08/news/footage-emerges-of-armagh-and-tyrone-fans-in-violent-brawl-on-dublin-to-belfast-train-1104425/
Story of the day was this Leinster championship result. Rathnew (Wicklow) 1-13
St Vincent's (Dublin) 1-9. Diarmuid Connolly with just 0-1 a free..
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
Story of the day was this Leinster championship result. Rathnew (Wicklow) 1-13
St Vincent's (Dublin) 1-9. Diarmuid Connolly with just 0-1 a free..
Best player in the country.
Apparently.
Quote from: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
Story of the day was this Leinster championship result. Rathnew (Wicklow) 1-13
St Vincent's (Dublin) 1-9. Diarmuid Connolly with just 0-1 a free..
Best player in the country.
Apparently.
All time great.
Apparently.
Apparently Brian Mullins' son, who plays for Vincent's, has been invited to join the Donegal panel.
Anyone know anything about him? Midfielder I think, which we could use if he's half decent.
Websites such as Balls.ie,Sportsjoe,42.ie won't know what to do with themselves now that St Vincents Diarmuid Connolly are knocked out.
Quote from: J70 on November 12, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Apparently Brian Mullins' son, who plays for Vincent's, has been invited to join the Donegal panel.
Anyone know anything about him? Midfielder I think, which we could use if he's half decent.
Was one of the stand out players in a poor quality Dublin final i think it was said he played U21 with Donegal?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2017, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 12, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Apparently Brian Mullins' son, who plays for Vincent's, has been invited to join the Donegal panel.
Anyone know anything about him? Midfielder I think, which we could use if he's half decent.
Was one of the stand out players in a poor quality Dublin final i think it was said he played U21 with Donegal?
Yes, apparently was on U-21 panels for both counties.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
Story of the day was this Leinster championship result. Rathnew (Wicklow) 1-13
St Vincent's (Dublin) 1-9. Diarmuid Connolly with just 0-1 a free..
Best player in the country.
Apparently.
No apparently in it, he was the best player a couple of seasons ago but probably isn't now. You mightn't think so which is your prerogative but most people would agree he was the best player in the game for 2 or 3 seasons there. Wonderful all round player who would've graced any team in any era.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe kernan trying to get him out to join the irish team for next weeks game. His strength, kick passing and score taking would make a massive difference in terms of quality to ireland's chances next weekend.
Quote from: lenny on November 12, 2017, 07:17:56 PM
No apparently in it, he was the best player a couple of seasons ago but probably isn't now. You mightn't think so which is your prerogative but most people would agree he was the best player in the game for 2 or 3 seasons there. Wonderful all round player who would've graced any team in any era.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe kernan trying to get him out to join the irish team for next weeks game. His strength, kick passing and score taking would make a massive difference in terms of quality to ireland's chances next weekend.
A tad over hyped lets be honest. A great player that can cause serious damage when left totally unmarked however when a decent marker is on him his score talking isn't that hot. Irish panel was picked after trials 3 months ago Big Joe isn't suddenly going to draft players in and Connolly played only once for Ireland.
Never considered him the best in the country. Way too unreliable and easy to get a rise out of. Three months out this summer for his own stupidity ffs. Plenty of talent, but lots of others had have bags of skill and allied it with the temperament truly great players have. Keegan, the bane of Connolly's existence any time they've met, has been the better of the two out any given year over the last four seasons IMHO.
If you're going to be called the best player in the game you need to have the complete package.
That result in Aughrim proves once and for all what a huge advantage the Dubs have playing in their home ground in the championship.
Yes. If the Dubs had to play at Aughrim, Enniskillen and by the Boyne there would be historic battles.
Quote from: highorlow on November 12, 2017, 11:36:18 PM
That result in Aughrim proves once and for all what a huge advantage the Dubs have playing in their home ground in the championship.
No it doesn't.
It's shows that at senior club level if you keep the few county "stars" quiet the rest of the teams are fairly even.
QuoteNo it doesn't.
It's shows that at senior club level if you keep the few county "stars" (outside their comfort zone) quiet the rest of the teams are fairly even.
Corrected that for you.
By your logic it is as easy to keep the Dublin stars quiet in Croke Park as it is in any other field around the country which is absolute nonsense.
The fascination continues.
Well done Rathnew, great win.
Whatever people say, Looking back on the Connolly years, he will always be remembered as an all time great by Dubs, who matter most. Check Connolly medal haul, I'm sure he doesn't mind what lads say on GAA forums.!!!
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
The fascination continues.
Well done Rathnew, great win.
Whatever people say, Looking back on the Connolly years, he will always be remembered as an all time great by Dubs, who matter most. Check Connolly medal haul, I'm sure he doesn't mind what lads say on GAA forums.!!!
Sometimes I think you're the boul Diarmuid himself.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 13, 2017, 09:22:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
The fascination continues.
Well done Rathnew, great win.
Whatever people say, Looking back on the Connolly years, he will always be remembered as an all time great by Dubs, who matter most. Check Connolly medal haul, I'm sure he doesn't mind what lads say on GAA forums.!!!
Sometimes I think you're the boul Diarmuid himself.
I just can't help thinking its like a Mr. Smithers/Monty Burns type fascination.
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2017, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 12, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Apparently Brian Mullins' son, who plays for Vincent's, has been invited to join the Donegal panel.
Anyone know anything about him? Midfielder I think, which we could use if he's half decent.
Was one of the stand out players in a poor quality Dublin final i think it was said he played U21 with Donegal?
was Connolly not the stand out player as you quite rightly forecast? ;)
Quote from: J70 on November 12, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Apparently Brian Mullins' son, who plays for Vincent's, has been invited to join the Donegal panel.
Anyone know anything about him? Midfielder I think, which we could use if he's half decent.
Plays wing back or midfield with Vincents. He was on Dublin u21 panel in 2010. They beat Donegal in final that year. He played with Donegal 21s the following year. Don't think he will improve ye.
has played midfield this year for Vincents, dont think in late 20s he would be pulling the trees up at either club or county level
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
in your opinion and its only ever gonna be an opinion whether he is or isnt
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
in your opinion and its only ever gonna be an opinion whether he is or isnt
There's a difference between saying Colm Cavanagh is the best player of a generation and saying Gooch is. All opinions are not created equally.
Connolly's claim has be been more than exposed in the last two or three years when he should have been at his peak.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
Definitely the best player in the game for 2 or 3 seasons there. Unmarkable by fair means by anybody.
except by Chrissy Mckeigue
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
He's one of the most professional players in this amateur game in other words he doesn't play club or county football unless he his past fit to do so. His scoring yesterday wasn't much different from his last four games 1-1,0-1,0-1 and 0-1 and IMO a player of his ability should be scoring at least 3 or 4 points from play at club level.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 05:34:25 PM
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
in your opinion and its only ever gonna be an opinion whether he is or isnt
There's a difference between saying Colm Cavanagh is the best player of a generation and saying Gooch is. All opinions are not created equally.
Connolly's claim has be been more than exposed in the last two or three years when he should have been at his peak.
Yet everyone is entitle to heir iplayer noon as valid you as you or I may or may not think they are true
I would have thought his biceps alone would beat Rathnew
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
in your opinion and its only ever gonna be an opinion whether he is or isnt
There's a difference between saying Colm Cavanagh is the best player of a generation and saying Gooch is. All opinions are not created equally.
Connolly's claim has be been more than exposed in the last two or three years when he should have been at his peak.
Yet everyone is entitle to heir iplayer noon as valid you as you or I may or may not think they are true
I think your spellchecker is suffering from a massive hangover. ;D
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
cheap.
As everyone is aware, He doesn't take a penny, ask him yourself next time you see him, its well known in circles if you took your head out of the sand once in awhile.
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
cheap.
As everyone is aware, He doesn't take a penny, ask him yourself next time you see him, its well known in circles if you took your head out of the sand once in awhile.
Can you prove that?
And while you are at it can you send me a link to where it states that McGeeney was on 100k a year.
Don't disappear now.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 06:52:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Reports were that Connolly was unlikely to play v Rathnew as he was carrying an injury. In fairness he always seems to tog for the club in football and hurling and gives of his best. The greatest players have had poor games. Give the lad a break. On his day he has been among the best I've seen.
The personalisation of inter-county rivalry through demeaning comments about players, which is often based on gossip and inuendo etc is childish. I don't know Diarmuid Connolly but I'm happy to believe that, while he may have been involved in a stupid drink fuelled incident, he is still a decent lad who made a mistake. I take my cue from Leeroy Keegan who is happy to shake his hand and leave what happens on the field on the field. What happens off the field should be adjudicated properly in the courts of justice and not in the court of public prejudice.
But he isn't.
in your opinion and its only ever gonna be an opinion whether he is or isnt
There's a difference between saying Colm Cavanagh is the best player of a generation and saying Gooch is. All opinions are not created equally.
Connolly's claim has be been more than exposed in the last two or three years when he should have been at his peak.
Yet everyone is entitle to heir iplayer noon as valid you as you or I may or may not think they are true
I think your spellchecker is suffering from a massive hangover. ;D
just noticed that, I have no idea what was going on there ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
What has that got to do with Diarmuid Connolly?
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 14, 2017, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
What has that got to do with Diarmuid Connolly?
Everything is my fault! - D Connolly
There's certain players that you really look forward to seeing in the flesh, players that are exciting and can near win a game on their own, or at least lift their team and drive them on, the likes of Stevie O'Neill, Henry Shefflin, Gooch, Tohill etc. I'd have Connolly in there too. An extremely gifted footballer, a pleasure to watch in action. Each to their own though
Quote from: JoG2 on November 14, 2017, 01:52:46 PM
There's certain players that you really look forward to seeing in the flesh, players that are exciting and can near win a game on their own, or at least lift their team and drive them on, the likes of Stevie O'Neill, Henry Shefflin, Gooch, Tohill etc. I'd have Connolly in there too. An extremely gifted footballer, a pleasure to watch in action. Each to their own though
A voice of reason. I too enjoy watching Connolly play. On his day I would say again that he is among the best I've seen. I don't say the greatest as I think I've seen better but to make comparisons across a single decade or generation let alone over 50 years is at best difficult and quite possibly a fools errand. Each to their own as you say.
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
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Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
cheap.
As everyone is aware, He doesn't take a penny, ask him yourself next time you see him, its well known in circles if you took your head out of the sand once in awhile.
Can you prove that?
And while you are at it can you send me a link to where it states that McGeeney was on 100k a year.
Don't disappear now.
Surely the onus is on you to prove he is being paid 150k.
Denis Bastick announced he's hanging up his intercounty boots. I know it's not about Connolly but there's no other place for it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
Denis Bastick announced he's hanging up his intercounty boots. I know it's not about Connolly but there's no other place for it.
Amazing he hung on this long.
He wrung a decent career out of a limited skill-set.
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
Denis Bastick announced he's hanging up his intercounty boots. I know it's not about Connolly but there's no other place for it.
Amazing he hung on this long.
He wrung a decent career out of limited skill-set.
does your dick get hard thinking about the dubs? Save your horn for the boyfriend :-* :-*
Quote from: Bart McQueen on November 15, 2017, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
Denis Bastick announced he's hanging up his intercounty boots. I know it's not about Connolly but there's no other place for it.
Amazing he hung on this long.
He wrung a decent career out of limited skill-set.
does your dick get hard thinking about the dubs? Save your horn for the boyfriend :-* :-*
The fact you think being gay is an insult says enough to bury you without me adding any more gravel.
WUM accounts like the above are what should be cleared out from this site.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 15, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
Denis Bastick announced he's hanging up his intercounty boots. I know it's not about Connolly but there's no other place for it.
A unsung hero. Didn't play much in recent years but made big contributions in 2011 & 2013.
A general who served on the frontline in the battle of Omagh.
Quote from: rrhf on November 15, 2017, 10:35:34 PM
A general who served on the frontline in the battle of Omagh.
He did indeed :) He never backed down from a row but thankfully he overcame his disciplinary issues. If only Connolly could learn from him.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2017, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: rrhf on November 15, 2017, 10:35:34 PM
A general who served on the frontline in the battle of Omagh.
He did indeed :) He never backed down from a row but thankfully he overcame his disciplinary issues. If only Connolly could learn from him.
by the reaction on twitter u would think Ronaldo retired
Quote from: Jinxy on November 15, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
cheap.
As everyone is aware, He doesn't take a penny, ask him yourself next time you see him, its well known in circles if you took your head out of the sand once in awhile.
Can you prove that?
And while you are at it can you send me a link to where it states that McGeeney was on 100k a year.
Don't disappear now.
Surely the onus is on you to prove he is being paid 150k.
I can't. But the difference being I don't mind admitting that I pulled that figure out of my @rse.
Amazing how he has disappeared now that I challenged him to provide the proof.
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: mup on November 14, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 14, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: mup on November 13, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 13, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
Its one man against the world it seems. No logic to anyone argument.
There is no moderator on this site, thread should be closed.
There was none either when you called posters ignorant fools or words to that effect. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram when people hold a different opinion to you.
Yeah I stand by it too, there is a cabal of posters with a narrative on this site, it needs balance, unlike McGeaney 100K a year finding its way onto the Kildare balance sheet. You get me..
All you need to do is look at the Joe brolly thread to see what type of posters are on here...
Well I'm sure Jim Gavin's 150k is hidden behind one of your many sponsorship deals.
You get me?
cheap.
As everyone is aware, He doesn't take a penny, ask him yourself next time you see him, its well known in circles if you took your head out of the sand once in awhile.
Can you prove that?
And while you are at it can you send me a link to where it states that McGeeney was on 100k a year.
Don't disappear now.
Now that you have re-appeared any chance of that proof?
Sorry only seeing this now, prove Jim Gavin doesn't take a penny or McGeeny did?
I have no official proof I.E accounts, as its hidden in " team expenses" on the general ledger.
But both are commonly known by people in the know that this is the story.
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
Sorry only seeing this now, prove Jim Gavin doesn't take a penny or McGeeny did?
I have no official proof I.E accounts, as its hidden in " team expenses" on the general ledger.
But both are commonly known by people in the know that this is the story.
In other words you were talking out of your arse.
That's all I needed to know. Consider the matter closed.
Quote from: mup on December 04, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
Sorry only seeing this now, prove Jim Gavin doesn't take a penny or McGeeny did?
I have no official proof I.E accounts, as its hidden in " team expenses" on the general ledger.
But both are commonly known by people in the know that this is the story.
In other words you were talking out of your arse.
That's all I needed to know. Consider the matter closed.
No I'm not. Believe what you want to believe but if you think that a man in his late 30s does not need to work for 5 years and gets by just on little expenses is in la la land.
I know its the case, you beg to differ, consider the matter closed on my behalf.
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: mup on December 04, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
Sorry only seeing this now, prove Jim Gavin doesn't take a penny or McGeeny did?
I have no official proof I.E accounts, as its hidden in " team expenses" on the general ledger.
But both are commonly known by people in the know that this is the story.
In other words you were talking out of your arse.
That's all I needed to know. Consider the matter closed.
No I'm not. Believe what you want to believe but if you think that a man in his late 30s does not need to work for 5 years and gets by just on little expenses is in la la land.
I know its the case, you beg to differ, consider the matter closed on my behalf.
No you don't know it's the case. You are only going on what Anto down the boozer says.
The audacity of a Jackeen coming on here moaning about money. Beggars belief.
Hasn't appeared in the last 3 League games and Gavin has been very coy (what's new!) in interviews. Have we seen the last of Connolly in a Dublin jersey? They will breeze into a semi final with or without Connolly but they are a weaker side without him and may not have won last years AI title without his h-t introduction.
Connolly still Dublins best footballer and after missing most of last years championship should been playing league fball! Will be very rusty come championship though he be back; flynn; brogan on the subs and mannion playing more too! Dublin will still have plenty of fire power up front
Quote from: yellowcard on March 26, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Hasn't appeared in the last 3 League games and Gavin has been very coy (what's new!) in interviews. Have we seen the last of Connolly in a Dublin jersey? They will breeze into a semi final with or without Connolly but they are a weaker side without him and may not have won last years AI title without his h-t introduction.
I don't think it's anything untoward. Jim knows he can keep him in reserve and use him as needed. It reminds me of when Paidi got dogs abuse for winning an All-Ireland because he didn't play Maurice Fitz.
I reckon if you see Dublin under pressure at some stage this year (can't imagine what scenario), you'll see Connolly coming on.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 26, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Hasn't appeared in the last 3 League games and Gavin has been very coy (what's new!) in interviews. Have we seen the last of Connolly in a Dublin jersey? They will breeze into a semi final with or without Connolly but they are a weaker side without him and may not have won last years AI title without his h-t introduction.
I don't think it's anything untoward. Jim knows he can keep him in reserve and use him as needed. It reminds me of when Paidi got dogs abuse for winning an All-Ireland because he didn't play Maurice Fitz.
I reckon if you see Dublin under pressure at some stage this year (can't imagine what scenario), you'll see Connolly coming on.
Bernard Flynn on the radio stated that there was a strong rumour circulating that he has fallen out of love with the game and may not be back.
U dont train that much over the years ; play on a great team with the chance of silverware on the horizon and just turn round and give it up! Hes got 5 all-irelands; on a winning team the bite will always be for more@ i expect him to be a starter for a 2nd rd game in leinster
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 26, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
U dont train that much over the years ; play on a great team with the chance of silverware on the horizon and just turn round and give it up! Hes got 5 all-irelands; on a winning team the bite will always be for more@ i expect him to be a starter for a 2nd rd game in leinster
You would think so normally and I will believe it when I see it. However much like Cluxton, Connolly is very much his own man so who knows.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 26, 2018, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 26, 2018, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 26, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Hasn't appeared in the last 3 League games and Gavin has been very coy (what's new!) in interviews. Have we seen the last of Connolly in a Dublin jersey? They will breeze into a semi final with or without Connolly but they are a weaker side without him and may not have won last years AI title without his h-t introduction.
I don't think it's anything untoward. Jim knows he can keep him in reserve and use him as needed. It reminds me of when Paidi got dogs abuse for winning an All-Ireland because he didn't play Maurice Fitz.
I reckon if you see Dublin under pressure at some stage this year (can't imagine what scenario), you'll see Connolly coming on.
Bernard Flynn on the radio stated that there was a strong rumour circulating that he has fallen out of love with the game and may not be back.
If Bernard Flynn is saying that it must be true
He usually has his finger on the pulse.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 29, 2018, 10:47:15 AM
He usually has his finger on the pulse.
He sure does.
Really miss him on the Sunday game, If I remember correctly, he was always good for one or two clangers.
Loathe the man at times but no denying he is one of the best I have ever seen. Be a pity for the game if hes gone . There are strong rumours flying about . Plus both b flynn and vinnie Murphy adding a bit of weight to rumours.
he should transfer to longford or westmeath
see what county football is really like
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
Loathe the man at times but no denying he is one of the best I have ever seen. Be a pity for the game if hes gone . There are strong rumours flying about . Plus both b flynn and vinnie Murphy adding a bit of weight to rumours.
Vinnie Murphy adds a lot of weight in fairness
Quote from: Tubberman on March 29, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
Loathe the man at times but no denying he is one of the best I have ever seen. Be a pity for the game if hes gone . There are strong rumours flying about . Plus both b flynn and vinnie Murphy adding a bit of weight to rumours.
Vinnie Murphy adds a lot of weight in fairness
Haha
Dunno what Flynn or Murphy are saying about Connolly not playing at the present time but, for what it's worth, I think Jim Gavin is not prepared to field anyone who is likely to lose the rag and get sent off.
I mean if Connolly went berserk over a trivial incident in a game that was already won, what was he likely to do next time Lee Keegan sets to work on him? ;D
Personally, Diarmuid is the best all round player I have seen but all the class in the world counts for nothing if he has to plant his arse on the bench in a game where the stakes are high.
In a nutshell, Jim rared up and effed him out it and Connolly has a prolonged dose of the sulks.
Two obstinate men and it's a case of not having two bulls in the one field. Only one can be boss and I think Gavin feels he can manage without a man with a notoriously short fuse who cannot be guaranteed not to lose the rag in an important game. The risk outweighs any possible advantage.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 29, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
Dunno what Flynn or Murphy are saying about Connolly not playing at the present time but, for what it's worth, I think Jim Gavin is not prepared to field anyone who is likely to lose the rag and get sent off.
I mean if Connolly went berserk over a trivial incident in a game that was already won, what was he likely to do next time Lee Keegan sets to work on him? ;D
Personally, Diarmuid is the best all round player I have seen but all the class in the world counts for nothing if he has to plant his arse on the bench in a game where the stakes are high.
In a nutshell, Jim rared up and effed him out it and Connolly has a prolonged dose of the sulks.
Two obstinate men and it's a case of not having two bulls in the one field. Only one can be boss and I think Gavin feels he can manage without a man with a notoriously short fuse who cannot be guaranteed not to lose the rag in an important game. The risk outweighs any possible advantage.
He's not even the best Diarmuid playing in the game now Lar, nevermind the best player overall..
FFS Diarmuid O'Connor isnt even close to being as good a footballer as Diarmuid Connolly ;)
Seemingly Connolly didn't line out with Vincents in their opening championship game this evening.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 12, 2018, 11:25:51 PM
Seemingly Connolly didn't line out with Vincents in their opening championship game this evening.
Named 11 in programme but did not tog apparently.
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
Or else he's just not interested in football any more. Given the treatment he gets for club and county, it wouldn't be surprising.
It's natural that people would be curious though, given his profile. I hope there's nothing going on behind the scenes and it's just a lad needing a break.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
I think Connolly is under an unfair spotlight and it would be a shame to see him walking away. We need to be a bit fairer about him. Last year he was very poorly treated by both the gaa authorities and I believe his management.,
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
what did he get 3 months for, that everyone else gets off scott free?
If he was named in the programme and didn't play then either Vincents have created a storm for no reason (unlikely) or they thought at some point in the days coming up to the game that he was going to play.
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
Quote from: tippabu on April 13, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
The man doesn't play for a while and now all want home forgiven.
He done the crime and had to do the time so to speak. As have many other players
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Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
Why was andy moran treated differently then?
almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence
Andy Moran = 'almost every one else'?
He is resting is the excuse for lack of action on the field this year was he not resting enough with his long ban last year?
All around the Dublin set up they went bananas last year when Connolly got a 3 month ban. Now he seems to have taken a sabbatical whether temporary or permanent and Gavin claims he is just 'resting'. It's bizarre to say the least to think that in the goldfish bowl that is Dublin football, not one person appears to know for sure what the story is.
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Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
Why was andy moran treated differently then?
Because the referee dealt with it on the day. Therefore, the GAA couldn't (as per rule) change the referee's decision (i.e. ref said it was a black card offence).
I'm not saying I agree with that rule, but thats the reason he didn't get a ban, and Connolly did.
Quote from: westbound on April 13, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 13, 2018, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on April 13, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
Why was andy moran treated differently then?
Because the referee dealt with it on the day. Therefore, the GAA couldn't (as per rule) change the referee's decision (i.e. ref said it was a black card offence).
I'm not saying I agree with that rule, but thats the reason he didn't get a ban, and Connolly did.
While that seems to be true in practice, it's not 100% technically correct. I understand that the referee can review a decision after a match and say he didn't deal with it correctly (because perhaps the view he had wasn't ideal) and put that in his report, which opens the door for further (or lesser) punishment. Although it very rarely happens (certainly in the case of increasing a yellow/black card to red).
Dublin's contention back then was the ref did deal with it at the time. The ball was out of play at the time of the incident so the ref was looking over in that direction. So it appeared the linesman and ref both thought nothing more should be done at the time. And the ref's report contained an addendum, which dealt with Connolly. So that looked to Dublin like the ref had nothing about it initially in his report, but then added something after the Sunday Game analysis. And as mentioned above, he's technically entitled to do that, but only he can say whether it was the pictures or analysis (or a call from someone!) that influenced his decision.
But that's all water under the bridge now. As someone mentioned above, it is a bit unseemly to be guessing at motives of an amateur player's private life and how that is impacting his decision not to play (volunteer!) but understandable when it's high profile. A good comparison was when Dublin's best hurler, Danny Sutcliffe, refused to play for Ger Cunningham because they had a falling out (or so the story goes), but there was very little comment in media about that. Nobody gives a hoot about Dublin hurling!
Quote from: Hound on April 17, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
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Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 13, 2018, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on April 13, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
Why was andy moran treated differently then?
Because the referee dealt with it on the day. Therefore, the GAA couldn't (as per rule) change the referee's decision (i.e. ref said it was a black card offence).
I'm not saying I agree with that rule, but thats the reason he didn't get a ban, and Connolly did.
While that seems to be true in practice, it's not 100% technically correct. I understand that the referee can review a decision after a match and say he didn't deal with it correctly (because perhaps the view he had wasn't ideal) and put that in his report, which opens the door for further (or lesser) punishment. Although it very rarely happens (certainly in the case of increasing a yellow/black card to red).
Dublin's contention back then was the ref did deal with it at the time. The ball was out of play at the time of the incident so the ref was looking over in that direction. So it appeared the linesman and ref both thought nothing more should be done at the time. And the ref's report contained an addendum, which dealt with Connolly. So that looked to Dublin like the ref had nothing about it initially in his report, but then added something after the Sunday Game analysis. And as mentioned above, he's technically entitled to do that, but only he can say whether it was the pictures or analysis (or a call from someone!) that influenced his decision.
But that's all water under the bridge now. As someone mentioned above, it is a bit unseemly to be guessing at motives of an amateur player's private life and how that is impacting his decision not to play (volunteer!) but understandable when it's high profile. A good comparison was when Dublin's best hurler, Danny Sutcliffe, refused to play for Ger Cunningham because they had a falling out (or so the story goes), but there was very little comment in media about that. Nobody gives a hoot about Dublin hurling!
Water under the bridge? Yet you still feel the need to justify his actions.
Reeks of paranoia.
Quote from: Hound on April 17, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: westbound on April 13, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 13, 2018, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on April 13, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: mup on April 13, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 13, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
I find all the media speculation about this a bit unseemly.
If he's not even playing for Vincents, and he's not injured, chances are there is something going on his personal life that is of more pressing concern at the moment.
Leave the man alone.
He's probably very disillusioned with the game given the way he was treated so unfairly last year. Nobody is going to tell me what he did was any worse than what andy moran did a few weeks ago and yet there was no massive outcry for moran to get a 3 month ban. To be fair I don't think what either player did merited such a significant ban but the whole disciplinary process needs to be looked at so that punishments are fair and equally applied. For such minor interference with officials a one game ban would probably suffice.
Personally I think he's a nasty and sneaky player. Wonderfully talented ok but that doesn't excuse his carry on.
So because you think he's nasty and sneaky you think it's okay for him to be hit with a 3 month suspension while almost everyone else gets off scot free for the exact same offence. The punishments in the gaa have to be applied equally even if joe public really like one player and dislike another.
There have been plenty of 3 month bans dished out for almost identical offenses.
If it's the offence I'm thinking of, then that's what I was going to say!
Why was andy moran treated differently then?
Because the referee dealt with it on the day. Therefore, the GAA couldn't (as per rule) change the referee's decision (i.e. ref said it was a black card offence).
I'm not saying I agree with that rule, but thats the reason he didn't get a ban, and Connolly did.
While that seems to be true in practice, it's not 100% technically correct. I understand that the referee can review a decision after a match and say he didn't deal with it correctly (because perhaps the view he had wasn't ideal) and put that in his report, which opens the door for further (or lesser) punishment. Although it very rarely happens (certainly in the case of increasing a yellow/black card to red).
Dublin's contention back then was the ref did deal with it at the time. The ball was out of play at the time of the incident so the ref was looking over in that direction. So it appeared the linesman and ref both thought nothing more should be done at the time. And the ref's report contained an addendum, which dealt with Connolly. So that looked to Dublin like the ref had nothing about it initially in his report, but then added something after the Sunday Game analysis. And as mentioned above, he's technically entitled to do that, but only he can say whether it was the pictures or analysis (or a call from someone!) that influenced his decision.
But that's all water under the bridge now. As someone mentioned above, it is a bit unseemly to be guessing at motives of an amateur player's private life and how that is impacting his decision not to play (volunteer!) but understandable when it's high profile. A good comparison was when Dublin's best hurler, Danny Sutcliffe, refused to play for Ger Cunningham because they had a falling out (or so the story goes), but there was very little comment in media about that. Nobody gives a hoot about Dublin hurling!
My understanding is that it was brought to the refs attention by the linesman in their dressing room after the game. Highly,
highly unlikely to have happened but if it was added after the Sunday Game analysis then that was wrong. From what I hear it's events off the field that are influencing Connolly's sabbatical.
Sutcliffe was going to New York that year, which is fair enough. Whether the falling out influenced his trip only he can say.
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2018, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
I can see the logic in trying to develop Hanley even if benefits may not be 2018
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2018, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
You wouldn't get that in Ros!
Quote from: Tubberman on April 19, 2018, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2018, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
You wouldn't get that in Ros!
You literally wouldn't, because the player you're referring to took part in winter training, the FBD and the NFL and
still didn't make the championship panel..
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2018, 03:05:13 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 19, 2018, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2018, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
You wouldn't get that in Ros!
You literally wouldn't, because the player you're referring to took part in winter training, the FBD and the NFL and still didn't make the championship panel..
Cian Hanley!?
Quote from: Tubberman on April 20, 2018, 07:02:23 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2018, 03:05:13 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 19, 2018, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2018, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 19, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 19, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Could Connolly Tog for the hurlers yet!?
hes no keith higgins
It would make as much of a joke adding him at this late stage of the season as it would adding a lad just back off the plane from Australia with no senior experience.
You wouldn't get that in Ros!
You literally wouldn't, because the player you're referring to took part in winter training, the FBD and the NFL and still didn't make the championship panel..
Cian Hanley!?
Tubberman NO
Mick Dufficy
but then i suppose the average Roscommon supporter isnt as myopic as most of the mayo contingent here
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
Quote from: clonadmad on April 20, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
His recovery?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2018, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 20, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
His recovery?
I'm about as far removed from the scene as anyone and even I've heard the rumour.
Has all the hallmarks of a typical Irish rumour, not dissimilar to Brian Kennedy, Ronan O'Gara and more recently Lee Keegan, i.e bullshit
Quote from: stephenite on April 21, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2018, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 20, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
His recovery?
I'm about as far removed from the scene as anyone and even I've heard the rumour.
Has all the hallmarks of a typical Irish rumour, not dissimilar to Brian Kennedy, Ronan O'Gara and more recently Lee Keegan, i.e bullshit
Whatever this rumour is it hasn't reached the backwater of Lurgan
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
It's on the threshold alright, and I agree.
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Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
It's on the threshold alright, and I agree.
He's literally AWOL at the moment. I think you have a different idea of the end of a story than the rest of us.
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2018, 02:28:40 AM
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
It's on the threshold alright, and I agree.
He's literally AWOL at the moment. I think you have a different idea of the end of a story than the rest of us.
I have no idea about the end of the story, I just hope that an amateur multiple All Ireland winner, who owes nobody anything, can do what he wants to do, either way.
I'd still recommend locking the thread
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2018, 02:28:40 AM
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
It's on the threshold alright, and I agree.
He's literally AWOL at the moment. I think you have a different idea of the end of a story than the rest of us.
I have no idea about the end of the story, I just hope that an amateur multiple All Ireland winner, who owes nobody anything, can do what he wants to do, either way.
I'd still recommend locking the thread
Someone would create another whenever we inevitably find out in a few weeks that he's retired/is back on the panel/is playing hurling, so what exactly is the point in that? Rossfan has made a cliche of calling for threads he decides he doesn't like to be locked but I didn't think others operated from his playbook too.
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2018, 02:28:40 AM
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Time to lock this thread Mods.
It's going beyond the bounds.
It's on the threshold alright, and I agree.
He's literally AWOL at the moment. I think you have a different idea of the end of a story than the rest of us.
I have no idea about the end of the story, I just hope that an amateur multiple All Ireland winner, who owes nobody anything, can do what he wants to do, either way.
I'd still recommend locking the thread
I fully agree with you re Connolly. Not sure about locking the thread tho. I'm generally interested in what's happening with him and would be sad if it is he end of him in the GAA
If there's one thing that really bugs me about this country, it's the prevalence of gossip masquerading as 'concern'.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
If there's one thing that really bugs me about this country, it's the prevalence of gossip masquerading as 'concern'.
I dunno if this is aimed at me or not. I haven't heard any gossip. I just hope we haven't seen the last of one of the greatest - in my opinion - players of this generation
Not aimed at you.
One of the best players in one of the best teams ever currently isn't playing.
Off course it should be discussed.
This locking the thread is bullshit....unless it has legal implications which this clearly doesn't have
Quote from: stephenite on April 21, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2018, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 20, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
His recovery?
I'm about as far removed from the scene as anyone and even I've heard the rumour.
Has all the hallmarks of a typical Irish rumour, not dissimilar to Brian Kennedy, Ronan O'Gara and more recently Lee Keegan, i.e bullshit
The singer Brian Kennedy? Has he been called into the Antrim squad or what?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
Not aimed at you.
I assume it's aimed at me.
The only reason for locking this thread is because of the insinuation that he has to go through a 'recovery'
No one on here knows the facts, despite the rumours, and this sort of shite shouldn't be allowed
I seen him in peader carneys two weeks ago , he was quietly having a couple of drinks with a couple of mates , I'm hazzarding a guess here but I doubt we will see him tagged in 18. What a player , don't think anyone could ever disagree.best of luck to him , hope he's back next year if my guess is correct.
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
Not aimed at you.
I assume it's aimed at me.
The only reason for locking this thread is because of the insinuation that he has to go through a 'recovery'
No one on here knows the facts, despite the rumours, and this sort of shite shouldn't be allowed
It's not aimed at you either!
I agree 100% with the bit in bold.
Quote from: clonadmad on April 20, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Hopefully in Time
Connolly will make a full return to sport,his deserves to be left alone now by the media to complete his full recovery,there for the grace of god.....
This is who jinxy referred too.
Maybe!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
Is there a huge secret on the Connolly thing or why arent we dicussion on whats going on, this is a huge topic!
From what ive been led to believe he has got an ongoing court case and his mind isnt in the game!! Playing for Dublin football is in the spotlight too much and maybe he wants to stay out of it!
From what I can gather there's some shit going on in his life which means he isn't playing for the Dubs at the minute. To be honest he's an amateur player (as much as one of the top Dublin lads can be) so I don't think there is any real need to be talking about personal situations on a message board or online. He doesn't deserve that I'm sure he'll be back when all is sorted out.
Exactly.
Anyway, it's just curtain-twitching dressed up as 'concern' in most cases.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 08, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
Exactly.
Anyway, it's just curtain-twitching dressed up as 'concern' in most cases.
Never heard that before, very appropriate.
Some of you should read this article in full.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tmas-s-dublin-need-diarmuid-connolly-back-theyre-vulnerable-without-him-36879961.html
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...
It is. Not a gossip column.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 08, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...
It is. Not a gossip column.
Sorry,
I was only referring to this link in the Irishtimes, I thought this was on going
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/dublin-football-star-diarmuid-connolly-acted-despicably-1.3279070
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 08, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...
It is. Not a gossip column.
Sorry,
I was only referring to this link in the Irishtimes, I thought this was on going
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/dublin-football-star-diarmuid-connolly-acted-despicably-1.3279070
Did you read Tomás Ó Sé's article above? I'd assume you'd agree given some of the off field indiscretions that we highlighted relating to Tyrone players in recent years?
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 08, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 08, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 08, 2018, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
GAA Fanatic, an unfounded 'I am led to believe' is not reason to go around on this board insinuating stuff. If, for any reason, something comes into the public domain then of course it can be talked about here, within reason. But comments like yours are not acceptable.
Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...
It is. Not a gossip column.
Sorry,
I was only referring to this link in the Irishtimes, I thought this was on going
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/dublin-football-star-diarmuid-connolly-acted-despicably-1.3279070
Did you read Tomás Ó Sé's article above? I'd assume you'd agree given some of the off field indiscretions that we highlighted relating to Tyrone players in recent years?
Agree my ass, no chance! If a man commits a crime then tough s**t to him!
I didnt read all O'Se's but isnt he jst sayin the same thing about giving a man a break because he's a amateur player!
Sure hold on, the post man in my town assaulted 2 women last night, left one in hospital, but sure saying nothing, he's plays for the Local Gaa team so let him have some space and keep outa the papers as he's amateur..
Dermos off to the States by the sounds of it!
3 8 first game.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 01, 2018, 09:52:53 PM
3 8 first game.
The link is here:
https://www.the42.ie/gaa/
Fake news. 0-2.
Gone again
Disappointing news for those of us who have loved to watch him over the years. This is probably the end of him at Intercounty Level you would expect.
A genius
Connolly held to much baggage or potential baggage. He's had his days in the sun. It's must be kinda nice to be able to swan off to the States for the summer and play a bit of football and still be in decent shape.
He retired 2 years ago, best of luck to him.
Wasnt I same league as Colm Cooper, Peter Cananan or Kieran McDonald.
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
Wasnt I same league as Colm Cooper, Peter Cananan or Kieran McDonald.
Colm Cooper only produced the goods when his team were playing well.
I saw him in Croker one day, and he didn't want the ball
Canavan and McDonald could pull their team through a tough game
Cooper greatest player of all time
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 11:57:50 AM
Cooper greatest player of all time
Canavan better - from a Derry man
He wasn't even in the top 3men to come out of Kerry. That been mick o' connell, jacko. And Maurice fitz
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 02, 2019, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 02, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: mup on July 02, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on June 25, 2019, 08:43:09 AM
Gone again
Or maybe not.
What has happened?
Some problem with his esta form meant he didn't get to Boston before the deadline and can't play now.
From what I hear, he will be able to re-apply and should be able to go next month.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 02, 2019, 04:20:19 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 02, 2019, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 02, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: mup on July 02, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on June 25, 2019, 08:43:09 AM
Gone again
Or maybe not.
What has happened?
Some problem with his esta form meant he didn't get to Boston before the deadline and can't play now.
From what I hear, he will be able to re-apply and should be able to go next month.
That exact same rumour went round last year. Bit bizarre if it's actually true this time!
Back Back Back his Back
Diarmuid and his club St Vincent looked very poor on RTÉ tonight.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 12, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Diarmuid and his club St Vincent looked very poor on RTÉ tonight.
Have you tried adjusting the aeriel? Try even wiggling it. Fair City was awful last week and I just moved it and it was perfect for the next show.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 12, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Diarmuid and his club St Vincent looked very poor on RTÉ tonight.
The worst performance i have seen from a Vinnies team in a decade. Judes are a good team however, thye were in the final last year.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 12, 2019, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 12, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Diarmuid and his club St Vincent looked very poor on RTÉ tonight.
The worst performance i have seen from a Vinnies team in a decade. Judes are a good team however, thye were in the final last year.
Worse than the performance v Rathnew two years ago? Judes better than Rathnew has to be taken into consideration.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 12, 2019, 11:06:13 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 12, 2019, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 12, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Diarmuid and his club St Vincent looked very poor on RTÉ tonight.
The worst performance i have seen from a Vinnies team in a decade. Judes are a good team however, thye were in the final last year.
Worse than the performance v Rathnew two years ago? Judes better than Rathnew has to be taken into consideration.
I dont think they actually played that bad v Rathnew, V Judes they were clueless. Really bad.