Ulster Workers Strike 2024

[johnnycool]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

are they not blaming both?

Not really, the DUP have gotten away quite lightly from the unions IMO, probably trying to avoid the usual sectarian trap, but in this instance it's either CHH who doesn't give a flying fúck about this place or the DUP who believe if they hold out for long enough the UK Government are going to magically change an international trade agreement they have with the EU!

[93-DY-SAM]

CHH needs to either release the money or stop all MLA pay and abandon Stormont. IMO he should do both. This endless state of pandering needs to stop. He needs to make a move one way or the other. But he'll never make any decision other than kick the can down the road.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

are they not blaming both?

Not really, the DUP have gotten away quite lightly from the unions IMO, probably trying to avoid the usual sectarian trap, but in this instance it's either CHH who doesn't give a flying fúck about this place or the DUP who believe if they hold out for long enough the UK Government are going to magically change an international trade agreement they have with the EU!

I could see how that is the case but there is more to it than that as well. The reason for the DUP not going into Stormont (the reason they are giving nor the real reason) is totally unrelated to the public sector pay increase and today's strike. The only person trying to link them is CHH. He is holding the DUP to ransom with another man's money. The other man is protesting about that today.
So, while the majority on this forum believe the DUP are wanchors and should return, it could still very well be a legitimate position for someone to feel that they are right not to return until "Act of Union blah blah" AND believe that public pay increases should be implemented.

[trailer]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

I actually don't think he has. He would have to suspend Stormont to do that, AFAIK... but not 100% on that.
But playing devils advocate for a moment, if he does have the power then what's the point of Stormont? Surely then we just move back to direct rule? We're kind of riding two horses.... if you get me. That would be his argument I suppose. 

[johnnycool]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

are they not blaming both?

Not really, the DUP have gotten away quite lightly from the unions IMO, probably trying to avoid the usual sectarian trap, but in this instance it's either CHH who doesn't give a flying fúck about this place or the DUP who believe if they hold out for long enough the UK Government are going to magically change an international trade agreement they have with the EU!

I could see how that is the case but there is more to it than that as well. The reason for the DUP not going into Stormont (the reason they are giving nor the real reason) is totally unrelated to the public sector pay increase and today's strike. The only person trying to link them is CHH. He is holding the DUP to ransom with another man's money. The other man is protesting about that today.
So, while the majority on this forum believe the DUP are wanchors and should return, it could still very well be a legitimate position for someone to feel that they are right not to return until "Act of Union blah blah" AND believe that public pay increases should be implemented.

Well he and the Tories know the DUP can be bought and paid for (ala Teresa May and the confidence and supply agreement) and if you think the Tories somehow magic'd another few billion out of their arses just for NI workers then you're as gullible as the next.
The extra few billion was the carrot for wee Jeff to sell going back into Stormont as a win to his base, he failed to do so and there's no way CHH is going to stump up on that money if they don't.

Why do you think no other party has been able to see this "deal" other than the DUP?

The ordinary worker is indeed the pawn in all this, that's not right, but these are dirty feckers when it comes to politics.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

are they not blaming both?

Not really, the DUP have gotten away quite lightly from the unions IMO, probably trying to avoid the usual sectarian trap, but in this instance it's either CHH who doesn't give a flying fúck about this place or the DUP who believe if they hold out for long enough the UK Government are going to magically change an international trade agreement they have with the EU!

I could see how that is the case but there is more to it than that as well. The reason for the DUP not going into Stormont (the reason they are giving nor the real reason) is totally unrelated to the public sector pay increase and today's strike. The only person trying to link them is CHH. He is holding the DUP to ransom with another man's money. The other man is protesting about that today.
So, while the majority on this forum believe the DUP are wanchors and should return, it could still very well be a legitimate position for someone to feel that they are right not to return until "Act of Union blah blah" AND believe that public pay increases should be implemented.

Well he and the Tories know the DUP can be bought and paid for (ala Teresa May and the confidence and supply agreement) and if you think the Tories somehow magic'd another few billion out of their arses just for NI workers then you're as gullible as the next.
The extra few billion was the carrot for wee Jeff to sell going back into Stormont as a win to his base, he failed to do so and there's no way CHH is going to stump up on that money if they don't.

Why do you think no other party has been able to see this "deal" other than the DUP?

The ordinary worker is indeed the pawn in all this, that's not right, but these are dirty feckers when it comes to politics.

And that's why they are the focus of the anger.

[armaghniac]

So, while the majority on this forum believe the DUP are wanchors and should return, it could still very well be a legitimate position for someone to feel that they are right not to return until "Act of Union blah blah" AND believe that public pay increases should be implemented.

The Windsor Agreement is related to Westminster and the wishes of the British people. The place to protest about it at Westminster, stopping Stormont is simply using the public sector workers as hostage.

[AustinPowers]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

I actually don't think he has. He would have to suspend Stormont to do that, AFAIK... but not 100% on that.
But playing devils advocate for a moment, if he does have the power then what's the point of Stormont? Surely then we just move back to direct rule? We're kind of riding two horses.... if you get me. That would be his argument I suppose. 

There is no  point to it

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

What should they do then?

A good start might be to call on the DUP to go into government rather than aiming their anger at CHH.

They don't need the DUP in Government to get a pay rise. CHH has it in his power.

I actually don't think he has. He would have to suspend Stormont to do that, AFAIK... but not 100% on that.
But playing devils advocate for a moment, if he does have the power then what's the point of Stormont? Surely then we just move back to direct rule? We're kind of riding two horses.... if you get me. That would be his argument I suppose. 

That wasn't an argument when the British government gave Brandon Lewis the authority to implement abortion laws here.
Of course they can sort these pay deals and public funding without the Stormont executive. Unfortunately people don't matter to these hoors. It's all a game.

[Tony Baloney]

Let's get back at it tomorrow. Milder weather on the way.

[Eire90]

Stephen Nolan
@StephenNolan
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Senior DUP source tells Nolan Show Sir Jeffrey's plan is to "get it all up and running by next week and move on from the Windsor Framework

[Eire90]

Dup meeting later today


its probably all pantomine

[imtommygunn]

The money is not coming unless they get back into government. The tories put that money together to get a government in place and the DUP didn't come through so if the tories give them the money with no government in place then they have got nothing in return for their money. If the tories give the money with no government then the DUP have shafted them and I doubt they'll let that happen.

[LC]

Dup meeting later today


its probably all pantomine

Would not surprise that they vote to come back in but then immediately take credit for getting the pay deals all across the line for the public sector, mind you Shinners will all probably also be looking a pat on the back as well.

There is obviously the reality of paying for it all so in a years time when our rates bill go up and and we are paying for prescriptions etc DUP / Sinn Fein will stand shoulder to shoulder and point the finger at Westminster as it will be all their fault.

[Eire90]

some guy has left the dup because of bullying well i dont blame a lot of these political parties are basically cults