Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

[thewobbler]

A stitch up for those with the biggest panels? Because of the number of games?

When building such a hypothesis, do you deliberately choose to ignore the decade of championship outcomes prior to the split season? Or have you some alt hypothesis to explain that away too?

Batshit and crazy spring to mind.

[seafoid]

A stitch up for those with the biggest panels? Because of the number of games?

When building such a hypothesis, do you deliberately choose to ignore the decade of championship outcomes prior to the split season? Or have you some alt hypothesis to explain that away too?

Batshit and crazy spring to mind.

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown. The 2 together have won almost  70 Sams. On average they win one in every 2 altough in the last ten years the ratio has been FAR higher.

More matches in a short period of time is match intensity.
There are 5 key aspects of higher match intensity

-The need for a bigger panel to deal with injuries and fatigue
-The video analysis culture that identifies key weaknesses in real time
-The objectification of gaelic football and the removal of the unexpected.
-The increase in spending on teams
- the glass ceiling for everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qEivYkgZM

[seafoid]

A stitch up for those with the biggest panels? Because of the number of games?

When building such a hypothesis, do you deliberately choose to ignore the decade of championship outcomes prior to the split season? Or have you some alt hypothesis to explain that away too?

Batshit and crazy spring to mind.

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown. The 2 together have won almost  70 Sams. On average they win one in every 2 although in the last ten years the ratio has been FAR higher.

More matches in a short period of time is match intensity.
There are 5 key aspects of higher match intensity

-The need for a bigger panel to deal with injuries and fatigue
-The video analysis culture that identifies key weaknesses in real time
-The objectification of gaelic football and the removal of the unexpected.
-The increase in spending on teams
- the glass ceiling for everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qEivYkgZM

[armaghniac]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

[johnnycool]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

The biggest plus for Kerry and Dublin is that they can afford to peak later in the year as their provincial championships are a bit of a run out mostly with very little jeopardy attached to them.

[seafoid]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

The biggest plus for Kerry and Dublin is that they can afford to peak later in the year as their provincial championships are a bit of a run out mostly with very little jeopardy attached to them.

The split season turns the ulster championship into a disadvantage.
I think this is why the provincials have to beshunted to the start of the season and the league and championship merged. 

[johnnycool]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

The biggest plus for Kerry and Dublin is that they can afford to peak later in the year as their provincial championships are a bit of a run out mostly with very little jeopardy attached to them.

The split season turns the ulster championship into a disadvantage.
I think this is why the provincials have to beshunted to the start of the season and the league and championship merged. 

The split season has nothing to do with it. The Ulster and Connacht counties have always been disadvantaged due to their competitive nature.
Leinster has become a cake walk for Dublin and Kerry never really needed to worry about Munster barring the odd time Cork got their house in order.

[imtommygunn]

2 of the last 4 last year were from ulster. Neither would have been at the level to win it anyway so I think that's not bad for a disadvantaged championship.

[5times5times]

2 of the last 4 last year were from ulster. Neither would have been at the level to win it anyway so I think that's not bad for a disadvantaged championship.

That's harsh on Derry.. Dubs & Kerry will want to get to league final, as their respective cships are a joke.

Whereas Derry would have to beat Donegal, Tyrone/Monaghan/Cavan, then likely Armagh, just to win Ulster. That's potentially 3 Div1 teams.

[Franko]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

The biggest plus for Kerry and Dublin is that they can afford to peak later in the year as their provincial championships are a bit of a run out mostly with very little jeopardy attached to them.

The split season turns the ulster championship into a disadvantage.
I think this is why the provincials have to beshunted to the start of the season and the league and championship merged. 

Shock horror

Seafoid desperately tries to pin blame for GAA issue on the split season

Zero correlation between these issues

[Eire90]

Merge the connuaght and munster championships the 4 top seeds then would be the 3 provincial champions and league winners (or highest placed league team if league champions are a provincial champion)


leinster does not have a numbers problem it has a competitive problem


why has no one suggested merging the connaght and munster championships before

[johnnycool]

2 of the last 4 last year were from ulster. Neither would have been at the level to win it anyway so I think that's not bad for a disadvantaged championship.

To win or get out of Ulster or Connacht you need to be peaking far earlier in the campaign, that's the point.

[imtommygunn]

You're not getting out of ulster any more though. i would have said the best derry played last year was kerry.

[seafoid]

2 of the last 4 last year were from ulster. Neither would have been at the level to win it anyway so I think that's not bad for a disadvantaged championship.

To win or get out of Ulster or Connacht you need to be peaking far earlier in the campaign, that's the point.

To get first seed in the RR you need to win your province. If you come second or third you have a higher chance of playing Dublin or Kerry in the QF
You don't want to play them in the QF and you don't want to have to play the pre quarter final match and you don't want injuries and you don't want fatigue. But other than that it is a level playing field

[seafoid]

Football has a natural bias towards Kerry and Dublin anyway given the history and because the GAA weaponised Dublin for reasons unknown.

This weaponised for reasons unknown is hlx. Dublin has a large population and it is entirely proper that the GAA spend money there on getting people involved in every new suburb. What is profoundly wrong is that they are allowing this desirable activity affect national competition by refusing to split the county team.

The biggest plus for Kerry and Dublin is that they can afford to peak later in the year as their provincial championships are a bit of a run out mostly with very little jeopardy attached to them.

The split season turns the ulster championship into a disadvantage.
I think this is why the provincials have to beshunted to the start of the season and the league and championship merged. 

The split season has nothing to do with it. The Ulster and Connacht counties have always been disadvantaged due to their competitive nature.
Leinster has become a cake walk for Dublin and Kerry never really needed to worry about Munster barring the odd time Cork got their house in order.

It does. The disadvantage starts when the round robin starts. Kerry and Dublin are fresh.
There are 3 RR, 1 pre qf 1 qf 1 semi = 5 or 6 matches in rapid succession before the final.
This burns off most of the other teams.


If you compare to pure knockout, the Ulster or Connacht champions this year would be battle hardened by semi stage (because both provinces are competitive) while Kerry and Dublin wouldn't have had a decent match.

If you compare to provincial first , a break and and then league/Sam combined, everyone would play the same number of championship games 

These are  huge differences. The current system is the worst