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Glad to see you agreeing with me tommy

My point tommy

I meant towards Cork. Sorry if that didn't come across.
Seemed to me he was using the TV to carry on his crusade of yesteryear.

With everything that has happened in Cork over the last few years it would be a big ask for Cork to be at the top table at the minute.
JB has no doubt taken them on but there is def work to be done.
Who did they beat in the quarter final that year?

Why is the Palestine situation the only conflict that has received so much support in the way of protests etc?  Why was there not the same level of protest and awareness against the other countless conflicts over the past few years?

Thought you might have been on shouting for a need for air strikes against Israel.

Obviously you weren't that serious.

Let's be honest, Cork came from no where last year. Looked Like JB was working a bit of magic but didn't happen today. But don't forget where Tipp were a couple of years ago. Obviously the new management has been key to getting them up again. Would Cork lose by the same margin next year? I doubt it. This is def a progressive Cork team but unfortunately Tipp had their homework done. Good management.
Thought Donal og a bit bitter.

Very well put Ulick.

No Aoise, in all sincerity, thank you.

I've no doubt your initiative has greatly impacted in many ways.

Maybe we'll see a few flags showing solidarity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Sligo.

Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.

As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?

The flags don't all add up to make any real difference though - money does. All I found that happened this week that the flag issue was all about whether the GAA should or shouldn't have let the banners be shown and whether or not Sky told them to take it down. The message about Gaza was nearly lost in the internal argument we were having at home. Which, to me, does no good to the cause at all, other than to have us bickering amongst ourselves. There is some great work being done to highlight the plight in Gaza and show the solidarity the Irish people have with the Palastinian people, none more so than our own Give her Dixie who I have massive respect for, but once again we manage to get bogged down in a flag issue which we put far too much importance on.

Actually that was what the thread was about. The debate widened as to whether it was a humanitarian or political issue. But I get what you mean about the crux of the matter sometimes being lost. I've no doubt however that Aoise's initiative and the debate here, and with the wider coverage it has received, will have helped raise awareness so that so many more people will be giving that spare euro or more. You must have gone into some of the links put up on this thread and the Palestinian thread which surely would have helped your understanding of the situation in Gaza. I know it improved mine.

Well very proud of those who turned up yesterday with a flag just to make a small statement of their discontent.  The television cameras showed none of them which really wasn't a surprise and fully expected.  For those who say it was more about the people carrying them well you obviously don't have a clue how people feel on this issue and that's really the only answer I have for you on that.  For anyone else who thinks this was in any way anti-GAA, I'm as pro GAA as the next member so that also doesn't wash. 

I saw more outside of the ground than I did inside so I don't know if any were removed.  If they weren't removed then I would like to commend Croke Park for permitting people's individual demonstration as they obviously have seen people's feelings on this and decided not to intervene.  Humanitarian causes should offend no-one and really, what harm did it do yesterday?  I will be doing more work for the people of Gaza and I would urge those who feel of the same mindset to do the same.

Aoise, I think that was a great initiative. Just a pity that some wig thought it appropriate to try to remove the banner last week. But because of that there's no doubt what you have done has helped raise awareness of what is happening in Palestine at the very least.
Of course there will always be the conservative element who feel uncomfortable when issues like this are raised and find arguments to oppose these expressions of support.
But as I said before, fair dues to you. 

Hamas are no angels

Relative to?

Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.

As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?

Great. Good to see the Dubs getting involved and that the cameras picked up on it.

Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway.

Been watching the crowd as closely as I can. Haven't spotted any. Anyone at the game know if there were a few??
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As long as there's a starting point.

The last shot on Sky was of Hill 16 celebrating at the final whistle, I saw at least 4 Palestinian flags.

Great. Good to see the Dubs getting involved and that the cameras picked up on it.

Over 1600 Gaza civilians dead, 4 Israeli civilians dead, in a war started by Israel's Prime Minister on a false premise.

If you are genuinely concerned for Israel's citizens, included their soldiers who died, most of whom are on National Service (i.e. not volunteers), it might be more appropriate to criticise Netanyahu, rather than those who are shocked at a 1st world county deliberately slaughtering 1,600 civilians.

I am concerned for the innocent people being slaughtered on both sides, I did criticise Netanyhu and he is a war criminal who wil neve see the inside of a courtroom because uncle sam will not allow it, what more would you have me do?


Obviously you're on a wind up. Go back to sleep