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Title: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 08:14:53 PM
Right - thought about putting this one in at the start of this season and then the notion went off me after a disastrous run! Was then encouraged to give it another rattle when someone put the thread up about which soccer team you supported/followed, and Leeds appeared to be joint third behind Liverpool and Manure. So there's a few other fools out there like Billys Boots and myself!

There used to be a show on Sky Sports called 'Hold the Back Page', in which three soccer journalists would sit with chairman Brian Woolnough, around a small table in a darkened room, and discuss in detail all the football issues of the day. It has been replaced in recent years by Jimmy Hill's Football Supplement.

Back in August/September 2001, Paddy Barclay of the Guardian (I think) stated on Hold the Back Page that Leeds were the next great thing. At the tail end of the preceding season, they had lost a Champions League Semi-Final to Valencia, with a young and ever increasing squad. Barclay's prediction looked about right as Leeds approached Christmas 2001 first in the Premiership. Indeed, if the results for the Calendar year of 2001 had been rattled up for every team, Leeds would have finished top by twelve clear points!

Early in the New Year of 2002, Leeds were away in the 3rd round of the FA Cup to Cardiff City, and despite taking the lead, lost two one. It was to be the start of a long downward spiral that continues to this day, with Leeds on the verge of a visit outside the top two leagues for the first time in their history!

After that Cup defeat, Leeds fell away badly in the league and missed out on the lucrative Champions League. The writing was now on the wall, as this Champions League qualification was essential to pay the huge debts. The following season they just stayed up by winning the second last game of the season away to Arsenal, but all the squad continued to be sold off, much of it for a pittance, and relegation followed the season after.

The first season in the Championship was mid table safety under a new manager, Kevin Blackwell, who had started the season with one professional player on the staff - Gary Kelly! The following season, last year, saw a push for promotion that resulted in a play off place and a heavy defeat to Watford in the play off final. This year the wheels have come off totally. Blackwell has got the sack and been replaced by Dennis Wise and Gus Poyet. That legend  ::) Ken Bates has come in, bought the Club and invested sweet FA - the impression I get is that he wants to get another pay off like Chelsea, as there is no doubt there is great potential with Leeds, i.e. Leeds is the biggest city in the UK with only one football team.

Players are coming and going at an unbelievable rate. Leeds are about to acquire a new keeper who will be their fourth of the season but many of the players brought in are patently not good enough and as a consequence results continue to be dire. Throughout all of this, the family china continues to be sold off for a pittance,; witness Kilgallon's sale to Sheffield United for little over a million. It has reached the stage now where the assistant manager, Gus Poyet, looks like he might be in line for a run!  >:(

This season was always going to be very difficult. This is the last season that Leeds continue to pay the wages (part of) of Robbie Keane and Robbie Fowler. However it coincided with the first season outside the Premiership without the parachute payments. Still and all, I could not see the season that is panning out, and for the first time I believe that they will probably go down, as they are currently six points off safety (effectively seven when goal difference is considered). The situation seems hopeless - new players are required and they need to get to know each other - unfortunately there is no time, and still no sign of replacements for problem positions such as centre half!

The future? Well I would be a bit more optimistic. If Leeds do go down, I feel they will have reached such a low that someone somewhere will decide enough is enough and hopefully Bates will be bought out by people prepared to invest in the squad. There is huge potential within Leeds for those looking to speculate and I would hope that that might happen. Unfortunately though, it is likely that Leeds will need to reach a new low before that happens!! 

Any other Leeds fans out there with a view?  ;D   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on January 25, 2007, 08:22:50 PM
i'm a notts county fan, see you down here soon.  ;) :)

if you want a real sob story look at our recent past. my old assistant manager is a Leeds fan, still get the odd email from him and he believe's they are down this year aswell and really fears for the club getting back up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 25, 2007, 09:15:02 PM
"WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM, WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM!!!"

Only jokin' tis a shame the way they have fallen so far. Clubs seem to be able to take the pish with Leeds though...if Kilgannon was sold 3/4 years ago...they'd have got more money!

Do they own Elland Rd??
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:52:42 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 25, 2007, 09:15:02 PM
"WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM, WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM!!!"

Only jokin' tis a shame the way they have fallen so far. Clubs seem to be able to take the pish with Leeds though...if Kilgannon was sold 3/4 years ago...they'd have got more money!

Do they own Elland Rd??

No - it was sold like everything else!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
I thought the figure was closer to 12 and included among other Stephen McPhail
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
I thought the figure was closer to 12 and included among other Stephen McPhail

You're probably right SS - I do know that the two Robbies were the most high profile! Eirik Bakke as an example didn't want to leave the Club this season, despite Leeds desperation to get rid. This snippet from wikipedia gives an idea of what was happening;

QuoteSpeculation continued as to Bakke's future when Eirik was left out of the Leeds United squad for the match against Sheffield Wednesday on 27 August 2006 with some in the press and supporters speculating that this was due to an imminent transfer. A Club statement was released on 29 August 2006 by Leeds United effectively stating that Eirik had played his last game in Leeds United colours [1]. Bakke however stated he would like to stay at the club [2] and still trained with the club, despite not playing, not wanting to return to playing in Norway at that point in time [3]. The problem occurred due to Eirik's £23,000 a week wages and £4,000 appearance fees[4] which were originally agreed during Ridsdale's "Living The Dream" yet the club could no longer afford to pay those type of wages in the league they were currently playing in. Leeds tried to resolve the issue attempting to meet the player half way so that Eirik could stay at the club on lesser wages but Bakke's agent stated he wanted ALL of his money[4]. The situation didn't look good for Eirik with current Leeds chairman Ken Bates already having terminated Seth Johnson's contract due to excessive wages since he has been at the club, determined to make Leeds a successful and profitable club once more.
.   >:(

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Blacksheep on January 25, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
I thought they got £130m for Rio? Best deal ever. How come that didn't bail them out? I'll never kick a man when he's down. Leeds are down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2007, 10:42:08 PM
Quote£130m for Rio?

Jaysus, you wouldn't get that for the city, never mind count Duckula. I think the fee was 30 mill.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Blacksheep on January 25, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
I thought they got £130m for Rio? Best deal ever. How come that didn't bail them out? I'll never kick a man when he's down. Leeds are down.

AZ is right, and the Rio deal represented a rare piece of good business - bought for £18 million and sold for a profit of £12 million after getting a couple of very good years out of him! Unfortunately £30 million ain't much good when the debt is £100 million plus.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dodo on January 25, 2007, 10:57:09 PM
The £30m for Ferdinand is dependant on winning Premierships, FA cups and CLs. Basically £30m was the figure released to make it sound like great business.

See Gary Kelly is not the fans favourite anymore due to the revelation that he is still earning £46,000 a week.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2007, 10:57:47 PM
There are still plenty of Leeds fans about, but we tend to keep a low profile these days. The great frustration is that the team which reached the semi final of the 2001 Champions League was put together within a reasonable budget. Robbie Keane was there on loan, but was cuptied in Europe, and Ridsdale then paid well over the odds to buy him for £12m. He then bought Fowler, who was past his best and yet another striker, for a further £12m and threw in Seth Johnston for another overpriced £6m. This meant £30m in transfers and another £30m in wages, which effectively left the club bankrupt. It's difficult to get excited about the journeymen at Elland Road these days, and relegation to the old third division is a growing prospect. But, if we hang on, and the younger players start to come through again, the size of the fan base means a revival is never out of the question. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: dodo on January 25, 2007, 10:57:09 PM
The £30m for Ferdinand is dependant on winning Premierships, FA cups and CLs. Basically £30m was the figure released to make it sound like great business.

I don't know exactly dodo - but it wasn't a kick in the arse off it;

wikipedia

QuoteOn 22 July 2002, Ferdinand joined another Premier League club, Manchester United, on a five year deal to become the most expensive British footballer in history, the world's most expensive defender again (a title he had lost in 2001 to Lilian Thuram) and also the premier league's second most expensive player after the arrival of Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea (whose transfer price was also about £30 million but is believed that Shevchenko's price is greater). The fee included a basic element in the high twenty millions, and some conditional elements, which allowed Leeds to tell their fans that the were selling him for over thirty million. Leeds later took a single payment in place of all the contingent elements when they were desperate for cash during their financial crisis. The final book value of Ferdinand's contract in Manchester United's accounts was £31.12 million.[1] This included agents' fees of £400k, with Leeds receiving £30.72 million.

Mourne Rover wrote

QuoteThe great frustration is that the team which reached the semi final of the 2001 Champions League was put together within a reasonable budget. Robbie Keane was there on loan, but was cuptied in Europe, and Ridsdale then paid well over the odds to buy him for £12m. He then bought Fowler, who was past his best and yet another striker, for a further £12m and threw in Seth Johnston for another overpriced £6m. This meant £30m in transfers and another £30m in wages, which effectively left the club bankrupt.

100% correct MR, and you could probably throw in Duberry for £5 million on top of that. Ridsdale wanted Leeds to be like Manure witha large squad. Ferguson's penchant for rotating his four strikers at the time (Sheringham, Cole, Yorke and Solskjaer I think) was made much of and was the inspiration for Ridsdale's madness.

Legend has it that Seth Johnson and his agent went into the meeting with Ridsdale, with the agent promising something like 18k a week but stating that they would try and brass out for 20k a week, and Ridsdale's opening gambit was 28k a week, to which came the immortal reply, 'Where do I sign?'   

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2007, 11:30:49 PM
Seth Johston's agent has basically confirmed that story, but his version is that he told Johnston to say nothing during the negotiations with Ridsdale, leave the talking to him and they might end up with £15k a week if they were lucky. Ridsdale's first offer was £30k, Johnston said nothing as ordered, and the agent was speechless. Ridsdale took this as a refusal and upped the offer to £38k. They both found their voices and signed immediately.

Leeds also apparently made a £12m profit from the Champions League in 2001, so Ridsdale, believing that bigger sums would roll in every year, spent the lot on giving Gary Kelly, then the reserve right back, a six year contract at £46k per week. It does not expire until this summer, and yet you will still hear people say that Kelly deserves credit for sticking with Leeds.

Ridsdale must be the most disastrous chairman in the history of English football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: botman on January 26, 2007, 08:34:10 AM
Christ what did Ridsdale do before he took over at Leeds. Was he involved with Enron ? I think I could make a better stab at being chairman than him !

No real love for Leeds though - kinda glad that they are shit.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Guillem2 on January 26, 2007, 09:17:48 AM
The final actual price paid for Rio was £14m. The initial down payment was £8m with £5m to be paid 12 months later. The rest of the £30m figure was to be paid in installments over 5 years and depended on Manchester Utd winning the league & champions league. Leeds were in difficulties and asked Utd for the £5m figure early. United gave them £6m as final settlement.
Typical of the type of poor financial dealing carried on by Leeds at the time. Good times are just around the corner.  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 26, 2007, 09:20:14 AM
Firstly, I have took a pop at Leeds in the past and as a Man Utd supporter I feel I have to considering I know everyone of them hates me.

But they did sell us Eric and we have to be greatful, Eric Cantona remember him! :D

Seriously, I do feel for Leeds, purely as a football fan I have come to detest the practice of empty grounds in the Premiership. Teams like Blackburn getting 11,000 for a p'ship game is disgusting, theres more, Wigan, Middlesboro etc

On football terms these team have as much right as anyone to be there and their boards have to take great credit, but a Leeds team in the premiership would mean a packed house and it only helps to make it a better premiership, this also applies to Sheff Wed/Sunderland etc. Half full stadia just seems to leave a sour taste in the mouth as a football fan.

Man Utd supporters have beed quoted as being delighted about Leeds situation, but I would much rather the rivalry to actually be a rivalry were can pit ourselves against them every year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 26, 2007, 09:51:01 AM
Sorry to have missed the first few days of this.  As a Leeds fan since 1972, when people look at me like I am certifiable, I mention that Leeds (really only in the company of Ajax Amsterdam) were the side that revolutionised soccer in the late 70s/early 70s - coming from unfashionable places, with f*ck-all money, they built extraordinarily competitive sides.  While Ajax won three European Cups, Leeds trophy cabinet didn't reflect their dominance - they appeared to finish 2nd in everything for nearly 10 years, most excruciatingly (and unfairly) in the 1975 European Cup to Bayern Munich.  An eight-year sojourn in Div2 (as the Championship was then called) in the 1980s/early 90s ended with a triumphant return to the pinnacle, with Leeds winning the last Div1 title in 1992.

It seems inevitable that next year will result in a spell in League One, but it seems incredible that a city of Leeds' size can't produce a soccer club of more power - it can only be a matter of time before the club resumes its unseemly rivalry with the red hordes across the Pennines?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rossi on January 26, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
Interesting read on how club was financed from 99 and the subsequent downfall


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1160988,00.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2007, 09:51:27 PM

If anyone is interested, the Leeds v Spurs game from 2000, which finished 4-3 for us, is on ESPN (Sky channel 442) at 11pm tonight. At that stage, we had a young Irish manager, we were regularly fielding four Irish players - Gary Kelly, Ian Harte, Stephen McPhail and Alan Maybury - with Robbie Keane joining shortly and we were about to go on a charge through the Champions League. It doesn't really seem that long ago.
Title: Victory at Hull
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 31, 2007, 08:52:16 AM
Leeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull  ;D and promptly went bottom after Southend won at Birmingham!  :(

Still, Alan Thompson appears to be a bit of a class act at this level and quite an astute signing. He scored at home to West Brom and repeated the dose last night with a great free kick, having already set up the first goal!

Despite going bottom, moves that bit closer to those above - Barnsley won, but Luton and QPR appear to be on the wane!   :-*
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 31, 2007, 08:57:33 AM
Raging for use Rufus as Biringham let down my bet last night, AT Home!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 31, 2007, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on January 31, 2007, 08:57:33 AM
Raging for use Rufus as Biringham let down my bet last night, AT Home!

That's why they lost - you had them backed!   >:(

Anyway - pass on my congratulations to the younger brother!  ;)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 31, 2007, 09:06:38 AM
QuoteLeeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull 

Makes up for losing at home to them in September I s'pose.  Need a few big performances in the next month tho.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rossi on January 31, 2007, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 31, 2007, 09:06:38 AM
QuoteLeeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull

Makes up for losing at home to them in September I s'pose. Need a few big performances in the next month tho.

Did they not draw 0-0 with Hull just before the christmas?Anyway may be bottom but at least 2 points closer to safety than the start of the day.The main worry for now is injuries, 2 more picked up last night, Lewis and Healy (suspected broken arm).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 31, 2007, 12:02:20 PM
I think you're right Rossi, I must have been getting mixed up with one of the endless other pitiful home losses.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 31, 2007, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: Rossi on January 31, 2007, 10:38:35 AM

The main worry for now is injuries, 2 more picked up last night, Lewis and Healy (suspected broken arm).

I guess no deadline day move for Healy


I see Leeds signed a keeper this morning, Casper Ankergren from Bronby
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on January 31, 2007, 01:16:36 PM
Flo is out too for eight weeks with a broken bone in his foot.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2007, 08:15:31 PM
One step forward - two steps back!  :-[  And of course - an old boy did the damage. Huckerby was well off a regular place at Elland Road - now he's turning the knife! Was hopeful about this match and of course when Leeds went 1-0 up. Didn't last though.

Wise talking the talk after, but without Flo and Healy, goals are going to be scarce!

Just a thought - can the new keeper play up front?  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2007, 10:36:11 PM
Leeds could do worse than playing the new keeper up front, as the regular strikers have been letting us down. The big problem has been Healy, who has only managed four from play, plus three penalties, all season. He has started the vast majority of games for Leeds, against some very ordinary opposition, but does not look particularly interested. In an NI shirt, taking on some big name defenders, he scores almost every game. When he got his celebrated hattrick against Spain last year, Gerry Armstrong said he was worth £20m. Most  Leeds fans would have gladly accepted £2m, and spent it on a decent replacement, but there were no offers at all during the transfer window. Now he is injured anyway, at a crucial period for Leeds. We still have a chance of staying up, because there are so many poor teams just ahead of us, but it is going to be a tough run-in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2007, 09:57:54 PM
What do you Whites think of the Leeds player who told a Palace player of the team for today's match? Dennis Wise said the player would never play again for the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 11, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2007, 09:57:54 PM
What do you Whites think of the Leeds player who told a Palace player of the team for today's match? Dennis Wise said the player would never play again for the club.

Didn't see any names mentioned - wasn't Neil Sullivan by chance? He wasn't playing yesterday. Big big win for Leeds - QPR in 19th are only three points ahead and Leeds have a game in hand - that spare game though is away to Birmingham. Still, there's hope!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 11, 2007, 06:59:29 PM
If it was Sullivan, think that was just a handy excuse / piece of Wise propaganda to keep the fans onside.  Sullivan got cut the day Wise came in - only recalled from loan when Stack got injured and he's fit again now... not that he's done anything to prove that he is a better keeper IMO.  Still given the table, there's certainly hope despite the multiple shortcomings
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 11, 2007, 08:25:15 PM
What's the next month of games look like?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 12, 2007, 07:21:44 AM
Saturday, 17 February 
Cardiff v Leeds, 15:00
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Tuesday, 20 February
Leeds v QPR, 19:45
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Saturday, 24 February
Wolverhampton v Leeds, 15:00
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Tuesday, 27 February
Birmingham v Leeds, 19:45
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Saturday, 03 March
Leeds v Sheff Wed, 15:00
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Saturday, 10 March
Leeds v Luton, 15:00
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Tuesday, 13 March
Leicester v Leeds, 19:45
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Saturday, 17 March
Southend v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 31 March
Leeds v Preston, 15:00
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Saturday, 07 April
Leeds v Plymouth, 15:00
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Monday, 09 April
Colchester v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 14 April
Leeds v Burnley, 15:00
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Saturday, 21 April
Southampton v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 28 April
Leeds v Ipswich, 15:00
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Sunday, 06 May
Derby v Leeds, 15:00

Interesting last day - will it be the day Championship / promotion or relegation is sealed
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2007, 07:56:04 PM
LUFC websites are strongly suggesting that the team was leaked by Shaun Derry, a former Palace player who has been out injured, although there are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion. When the dust settles, we will still need at least five wins, plus a couple of draws, from our final 15 games to stay up. I think that, on current form, we can just about do it, but it will be very tight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 12, 2007, 08:27:46 PM
Quotethere are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion
Seems to me like an excuse made in advance. Have to say as an LU fan, I think it's hollow. A good team taht believes in itself wouldn't give a stuff about the opposition knowing its line up in advance - if they're good enough and play to their ability they will win.  If they're not good enough... well.  Botteom line is it is the team's own hands to play to their ability.  If they don't blaming a leaked teamsheet is just an excuse
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 12, 2007, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: paddypastit on February 12, 2007, 08:27:46 PM
Quotethere are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion
Seems to me like an excuse made in advance. Have to say as an LU fan, I think it's hollow. A good team taht believes in itself wouldn't give a stuff about the opposition knowing its line up in advance - if they're good enough and play to their ability they will win.  If they're not good enough... well.  Botteom line is it is the team's own hands to play to their ability.  If they don't blaming a leaked teamsheet is just an excuse

Yes Paddy, but the best of it is Leeds won. I was reading the Leeds forums today myself, and given what Peter Taylor has said (and Taylor would come across to me as a man of integrity) it appears to have been an innocent conversation between two ex club mates that has been blown unbelieveably out of all proportion. Taylor has indicated, despite his friendship with Wise, that he's very disappointed in the bould Dennis and told him so! 

I would suspect that Dennis has some other agenda here. Will be interesting to see whose name comes out of the hat!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 14, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
From BBC Sport

QuoteWise claims one of his players betrayed him by giving Palace his starting XI and, while he refused to name him, said he would never pick him again.

But Harvey told BBC Radio Leeds: "While we know it happened, we do not know which Leeds United player it was"

Jesus wept - does that mean, on the basis of what the bould Dennis was saying, that the whole squad is up for sale?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 20, 2007, 10:54:30 PM
Big opportunity missed out on tonight with a draw at home to QPR. This, following on from the Cardiff defeat when Cardiff finished with nine men, leaves things continuing to look ominous!   

Uncle Ken put the prices down for the game, and there was nearly 30k at it. At a time when support is needed, I hope the lesson is taken on board!  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 21, 2007, 09:44:12 AM
Well as newly joined member its good to see a Leeds thread. QPR last night was a huge game but draw wont do much for either. Still believe we will scrape out of relegation. 29000 at the game was great turnout. A sleeping giant we definitly are. Stick with Leeds because things will turn eventually. Football goes round in cycles of ups and downs and look at MAN CITY a few years ago..
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 21, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 21, 2007, 09:44:12 AM29000 at the game was great turnout. A sleeping giant we definitly are. 

I think you's are still in the fallen Giant category
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 25, 2007, 06:05:25 PM
Leeds are in serious trouble now, I'd be thinking.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 25, 2007, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 25, 2007, 06:05:25 PM
Leeds are in serious trouble now, I'd be thinking.

You are not wrong my friend - and the old game in hand goes this week - away to Birmingham!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
1st attempt at posting an image...here goes!

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u226/GoatsDoShave/Leeds.jpg)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u226/GoatsDoShave/Leeds.jpg (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u226/GoatsDoShave/Leeds.jpg)

...Yeah got it!

If it's any consolation, I hope it's not true!  ::)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 04:47:11 PM
Do ye know Christchurch Goats?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 04:49:28 PM
City in NZ??  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 04:50:37 PM
A bit closer to home ...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 05:06:54 PM
You've lost me!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Sorry foreigner, it's an oul Dublin set piece whereby I tell you to go impale yourself or something similar.  Beware the wrath of gnarly oul Leeds sympathisers.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
I thought you were getting at something like that!

Ach it was funny! - At least they are getting a bit of attention....had to go searching for this thread!!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 27, 2007, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Sorry foreigner, it's an oul Dublin set piece whereby I tell you to go impale yourself or something similar.  Beware the wrath of gnarly oul Leeds sympathisers.  :P

I'm with Billy on this one!  ;D

Another loss, by the only goal tonight, and things look as bad as ever. That said, believe it or not, I see a possible escape hatch. The forthcoming fixtures up to the end are;

Saturday, 03 March 2007
Leeds v Sheff Wed, 15:00

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Saturday, 10 March 2007
Leeds v Luton, 15:00

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Tuesday, 13 March 2007
Leicester v Leeds, 19:45

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Saturday, 17 March 2007
Southend v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 31 March 2007
Leeds v Preston, 15:00

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Saturday, 07 April 2007
Leeds v Plymouth, 15:00

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Monday, 09 April 2007
Colchester v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 14 April 2007
Leeds v Burnley, 15:00

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Saturday, 21 April 2007
Southampton v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 28 April 2007
Leeds v Ipswich, 15:00

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Sunday, 06 May 2007
Derby v Leeds, 13:00

Based totally on blind faith, I reckon there is no reason why Leeds can't get something from each of those games - the two games that I see Leeds as totally outsiders would be Southampton and Derby away - and Derby, despite their position, do not convince me, i.e. I can't see them going up!

The fixtures between now and Easter will tell a tale!  :-\


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 28, 2007, 09:13:56 AM
I'd have thought that they should have a good opportunity to win 3 of the next 4, but morale must be very, very low.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 05, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Horatio Kane on March 06, 2007, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 05, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 

Wise could always sign JP Donnelly! ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 06, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
Nicholls is a disgrace, really hope leeds stay up but losing by a single goal in the last 3 games is the form of relegation
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 06, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
There are too many disgraces in place I'm afraid - the best result may be the humiliation of relegation, a clean sweep of the numerous skeletons and start from scratch.  I'm not sure staying up with the current hierarchy is (or would be) a good result.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on March 06, 2007, 01:53:37 PM
I was over at the weekend and yet again can only marvel at the Leeds support. 26,000 turned up to watch yet another defeat. Started fairly well and we were pressuring them and then bang. Our defence went awol and they were 1-0 up with an easy headed goal which looped over stack. This seemed to really spur us on and with the fans singing their hearts out we went all out. The Wednesday keeper pulled of save after save and then bang again! Richardson (i think) was given a nice pass out to the wing. He tried to beat his man, lost the ball and Stack was chipped from 30 odd yards. Hate to say it but the goal was taken really well. Fans not happy at this stage obviously. I was behind the dugouts and several around me stood up and started shouting abuse back at Bates in the directors box behind me. Bates by the way is being sued about an article he had in the match day programme about another club director (Levi). Some wrangle about buying out the club or something. Bates put yer mans address in the programme and asked fans to write to him!! Anyway 2nd half starts Wednesday down to 10 men and we push forward big time looking for a goal and yet again bang. Classic counter attack and a 3rd well taken goal. Game over, Wednesday fans giving us dogs abuse and yet the Leeds kop end kept singing. Two late goals just made it look respectable there was no hope of ever getting anything out of this one. Our defense or the lack thereof is our major problem. You would be annoyed if you seen a kids team doing the things they were. A big clean out needed of all the dead wood and someone to invest money in new players. We just dont have them at the moment.

Having watched us there is no way that i can see us avoiding the drop. Division one football awaits for the first time in our history. An absolute disgrace that a club like this has been allowed to slide so far and my fear is that we will become another Notts Forest (remember them??) Seems a lifetime ago we were playing in a European cup semi final......
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 07, 2007, 12:24:15 AM
Quote from: Horatio Kane on March 06, 2007, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 05, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 

Wise could always sign JP Donnelly! ;)

Don't go there!   ;D

Billys Boots Wrote

QuoteI'm not sure staying up with the current hierarchy is (or would be) a good result.

Have to say Bill, I've thought that from before Christmas - a fall into the old 3rd Division would make Leeds an ideal investment for someone with a lot of spare tank - of course, it could go the other way too!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Square Ball on March 10, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 12, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
Where there's life there's hope!! That was a big win over the Hatters  at the week-end. Leeds should have been out of sight before the penalty - which was the worst penalty in the history of the universe!  :)

Good to see Wise inspiring from the line, i.e. holding a ball for a Luton player at a throw in, and as he goes to take it, he throws it away! A touch of class!  ::)

Leicester away tomorrow night will be tough - Southend away next week is a monster!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on March 13, 2007, 09:11:05 AM
Fantastic result alright. I just hope it's not a flash in the pan result.... Nice to see Wise showing more interest alright. He spent the entire match against Wednesday in the dugout with Gus on the sideline trying to motivate the players.

On the boardroom side of things i see Levi had Bates in court on saturday morning before the match over his comments in the match day programme. Two lines had to be removed from his article so the Elland road staff had to get markers and cross out the two offending lines in about 10,000 programmes! Laughable if it were not so serious. How this is helping the club morale i don't know.....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2007, 08:00:33 PM
Leeds aren't going on a bad run at the minute - undefeated in three!  ;D Unfortunately it is not enough, particularly as the opposition are doing better!!

The Leicester draw wasn't a bad result, although the goal conceded was quite poor. The late equaliser at Southend was a life saver, and I didn't see the late incident where a penalty was denied - to be fair Dennis and Gus took it well!  ::)

Bottom line though - matches are now running out at a seriously alarming rate!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on March 22, 2007, 02:18:35 PM
At last a good signing, from BBC website

Wise brings in Blackburn defender 

Gray is on his way to join Leeds
Blackburn defender Michael Gray has returned for a second loan spell with struggling Championship side Leeds.
The 32-year-old, who spent three months at Elland Road in 2005, arrives for an initial month with a view to staying until the end of the season.

Gray has not been a regular at Ewood Park this season, making just 12 first-team appearances.

Boss Dennis Wise has also extended Jemal Johnson's loan spell from Wolves until the end of the season.





Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2007, 05:22:33 PM
David Healy still scoring I see!!   :-*

How important could that goal prove to be - last four games unbeaten, and as this morning, only two points of Burnely! Deserved to win last night I thought, although it was more down to hard work and determination rather than skill and a cutting edge!

Still, who cares?  ;)

HEALY - HEALY - HEALY!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2007, 01:15:17 PM
Another big win on Saturday, with another late goal. Could Lady Luck be starting to look kindly on Leeds? Apparently for the last twebty minutes or so Plymouth looked like the only team that would win the game! Then the winning goal itself was a bit dubious, i.e. did it cross the line or not.

First time out of the relegation zone in four months - huge match today against an in form Colchester side! Need to keep winning!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on April 09, 2007, 04:53:54 PM
1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, getting beat 2-1 in injury time and QPR score late winner ooh.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2007, 05:02:59 PM
Quote from: Spiritof98 on April 09, 2007, 04:53:54 PM
1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, getting beat 2-1 in injury time and QPR score late winner ooh.

That ain't half the story - Southend get a last minute winner at Deepdale - fifteen minutes ago we were on the pig's back - now finished with a run of results that couldn't have been much worse!   :'(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 10, 2007, 09:52:31 AM
Had that old familiar ill feeling at about 5 to 5 alright.  Jaysus.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 20, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
Leeds most recent result saw a priceless 1-0 home voctory over Burnley! From reading reports, Leeds seemed to be well on top throughout the game and were worthy victors!   ;D

That said, I have a bad feeling that it is too little too late. The remaining three fixtures are away to Southampton, home to Ipswich and away to Derby. Nine points from these three fixtures would do the bizzo, but to be honest I cannot see them getting six. The likelihood is a home win against Ipswich, but the other two games are difficult away fixtures with 1/2 points likely at best.

If the worst comes to the worst, then obvioulsy their record throughout the season has not been good enough - but I have a bad feeling that when it comes down to it, those three points thrown away at Colchester in the last eight minutes on Easter Monday will prove to be very costly!  :-[

Here's hoping for tomorrow! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2007, 01:17:40 PM
I think six points might do us and they'll have to be in the first two games because Derby will be fighting like dogs on the last day to try to get an automatic promotion place.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2007, 03:26:36 PM
This has been a largely unpredictable relegation fight from start to finish, with QPR, despite a financial crisis, finishing like a train, and Leicester, with a new owner and plenty of money to invest, falling like a stone. Leeds, remarkably enough, are the form team, with 14 pts from the last seven games. If everything goes our way, another four pts might just be enough. Leicester are two pts ahead of us with a better goal difference, but their confidence seems to be shattered and they have to go to both Barnsley and Preston before finsihing with a home game against Wolves. It is quite possible they will get nothing more than a point from their remaining fixtures, meaning that a draw at Southampton tomorrow and a win at home to Ipswich would do the job before we even go to Derby. With Hull also in big trouble, anything more than four pts from our last three games would seem to leave us in a very strong position. However, with Leeds there is always a twist.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 23, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
I'm afraid Easter Monday Part II has goosed Leeds. Another rush of late goals - Southampton's winner, Hull's equaliser at Stoke and Leicester's winner effectively means that Southend are gone and it is between Leeds and Hull.

After this Saturday, I can see Leeds being out of relegation, as Leeds should beat Ipswich at home, and Hull are unlikely to beat Cardiff at Ninian Park. That leaves it down to the wire on the last day of the season - Leeds at Derby, who are pushing for automatic promotion, and Hull at home to Plymouth, which given Plymouth's recent run, would probably be a home banker!

I believe it will take six points from six to stay up, and that is unlikley given the Derby fixture!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 24, 2007, 09:11:11 AM
I think they're gone alright.  :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 24, 2007, 09:20:49 AM
I work with one of your poor, unfortunate Leeds colleagues and he has been gradually been falling into a depsression over recent weeks!  It is hard to believe that they are where they are.

What will be interesting if they go down is what will actually happen to rebuild them.  They are currently paying wages to players at other clubs, eg Fowler.  Gary Kelly is commanding a wage that some Premiership players would not get and there is no likelihood of any of the so called "star" players staying.  If they go down I see a very serious situation for Leeds which will see them stuck down there for a long time.  Avoiding relegation may not just save the season, but may ultimately save the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 24, 2007, 10:13:10 AM
The prevailing wisdom is that Leeds is too big of a town/city to not have a big football club, and many appear to console themselves with that.  I think you're right about a long stay in obscurity - crowds are dropping, the income dropping too, and the debts are still there in abundance.  Whilst the injection of large amounts of cash might be unsustainable, from a long-term perspective, it might be the only way to artificially jog interest and momentum at the club.  But I don't see that coming.

And to cap it all, the villian of the whole story has, this morning, made a stg£90M bid for Manchester City. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 28, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
A black day for Leeds United - effectively into the third tier of English football for the first time ever. Yet again, undone by a late goal, although Hull's win at Cardiff effectively sealed Leeds' fate anyway.

He's gone a number of years now, but the shadow of Ridsdale still looms large over the Club - amere six years ago Leeds travelled to the Mestalla for a Champions League semi final second leg, which was delicately poised.

You've come a long way a baby!   :-[

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: behind the wire on April 28, 2007, 08:27:53 PM
very sad day for leeds, never thought it would come to this. suppose we still have to keep the faith though!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: hairyhog on April 28, 2007, 09:13:11 PM
According to a report on BBC Radio 5 Live, on 28 April 2007 Ridsdale 'celebrated' Leeds United's almost certain relegation from the Championship with the chairman of Hull City, ordering champagne and saying he was "delighted" with Leeds's demise. He behaviour was described by the BBC's reporter as "out of order".

What a spineless ****!! The only silver lining from todays events may be that all the hasbeens and crap that make up that squad will get turfed out and Mr Bates.   I believe that he could have done so much better. At least theres a chance to build for the future instead of looking for a shortterm fix by bringing in over the hill players. With talk of a takeover in the coming weeks it looks like investors were banking on the super leeds getting relegated to get them on the cheap. Will any of these savings be reinvested?? Time will tell but i would fear the worst.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on April 28, 2007, 09:47:59 PM
Billy.
QuoteAnd to cap it all, the villian of the whole story has, this morning, made a stg£90M bid for Manchester City
Ranson may have been the one that created the 'creative' means of funding the players but nobody forced the then management of administration of LUFC to actually use his product - they gambled and lost. Risdale primarilly has a lot to answer for.  Leeds as a city has no right to have its football team in any given division but it is not unreasonale to make that point that a city of its size does offer a market of scale, without like for like competition, that would be able to sustain a commercially viable Premiership club. As hairyhog notes, somebody will see value - what is it worth now? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Syd The Sailor on April 28, 2007, 09:50:54 PM
I dont think there will be too many tears shed about Leeds impending relegation. They have some of the scummiest supporters about.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 28, 2007, 10:19:55 PM
Paddypastit is right, and Ray Ranson is not the person we should be blaming for the devastating collapse at Leeds. Ranson was involved in financing the deals which took Leeds to the semi final of the Champions League in 2001, and they were more or less completed within budget. Leeds actually built a team which good enough to compete at the highest level in both the Premiership and Europe by spending less than most of their rivals. Instead of consolidating, through putting his faith in a young squad which on the brink of something special, Ridsdale as chairman went on a crazy spending spree in the second half of 2001.

At a time when the club was just about keeping its head above water, Ridsdale sanctioned the puchase of Keane (who was at Elland Road on loan, but cuptied in the Champions League run), Fowler and Seth Johnston at a combined total of £30m in transfers plus another £30 in wages. No one left to  balance the books, and Leeds were left with a forward line of Keane, Fowler, Viduka, Kewell, Smith and the injured Bridges chasing two first team spaces. It was an act of madness, and it didn't help that Johnston, who like the other newcomers was grossly overpaid, spent most of the next few years on the treatment table. The club practically went bankrupt, Ridsdale breezed out the door pointing the finger at everyone else, and today he was reportedly sipping champagne on the day Leeds effectively went down to the 3rd division. However, we will be back...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
What difference does it make to anyone in Ireland, whether Leeds play in the 2nd Division or the 3rd Division of the English League.  Surely, the fate of our counties in the up-coming Championship is of much greater importance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 29, 2007, 03:00:16 AM
Quote from: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
What difference does it make to anyone in Ireland, whether Leeds play in the 2nd Division or the 3rd Division of the English League.  Surely, the fate of our counties in the up-coming Championship is of much greater importance.

Personally speaking, the fate of my County in this year's Championship is indeed much more important than the fate of Leeds United. That said, the fate of my wife, kids and home is much more important this Summer than the fate of my County in this year's Championship!!!

Therefore I would ask, what actually is the point you are making?   ::)

Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 28, 2007, 09:50:54 PM
I dont think there will be too many tears shed about Leeds impending relegation. They have some of the scummiest supporters about.

No Leeds supporter is asking for 'tears' from anyone!

Your comment is therefore irrelevant!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 11:36:47 PM
The point that I was making is the obsession that so many Irish people have with soccer in England.   I ca'nt imagine too many people contributing to a thread on an English Soccer Board about how Kerry or Armagh will do in this year's championship.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 30, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
QuoteRanson may have been the one that created the 'creative' means of funding the players but nobody forced the then management of administration of LUFC to actually use his product - they gambled and lost. Risdale primarilly has a lot to answer for.

Ridsdale may have been the presiding loo-lah (and I accept that he's to blame for the debacle, in the main), but there is still lots of culpability surrounding Ransome - the vulture circling above the morass.

QuoteLeeds as a city has no right to have its football team in any given division but it is not unreasonale to make that point that a city of its size does offer a market of scale

I meant the latter, as opposed to the former Paddy. 35 years of 'following' the fortunes of Leeds has definitely convinced me that this part of the world isn't 'entitled' to anything it doesn't earn.
Title: Bargain to be had
Post by: passedit on April 30, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

chip van owners of the world breathe a sigh of relief.
Title: Re: Bargain to be had
Post by: Ryano on April 30, 2007, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 30, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

Aye heard that this morning. There are emergency meetings taking place today at Elland Road. Apparently they can save between 5 and 15 million by going into admin (don't ask me how that works). However they will be deducted 10 points next season by the FA for this so we will be on -10 in August!

Just when you think we have hit rock bottom the ground falls from under us again....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 30, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
Lads did Leeds not get to the playoffs last year? Or close to it? - I find it hard to believe that Risdale is being blamed for THIS relegation as well. Kevin Blackwell did a decent job there, he had to sell sell sell - & he apperared to get a bit of stability at the club, then they sacked him!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on April 30, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on April 30, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
Lads did Leeds not get to the playoffs last year? Or close to it? - I find it hard to believe that Risdale is being blamed for THIS relegation as well. Kevin Blackwell did a decent job there, he had to sell sell sell - & he apperared to get a bit of stability at the club, then they sacked him!

Although Leeds got to the play offs last year their record from January 2006 to the end of season was
Won - 7
Drew - 9
Lost - 4

that's 30 points out of a possible 60

their record from March to the end of season was

W - 2
L   - 3
D  - 7

9 pts from 36

These stats aren't that of a team in form.Blackwell did a good job in stabiling the team in 2005/06 and was given the chance to see if he could bring them any further in 2006/07 but as the early results went this wasn't to be the case and therefore his contract was terminated.

Risdale is not being blamed for relegation he is being blamed for bringing about the demise of the club and then sipping champagne over it.Risdale was directly responsible for putting the club in £100m + in debt,which resulted in any assets the club had being sold off (which included ER & TA), and also the trade off of top quality players where the club still had to pay part their wages.This left the club in a position where they couldn't afford to bring in any decent quality players and were working from month to month with loanees who were mostly journeymen.

Quote from: Ryano on April 30, 2007, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 30, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

Aye heard that this morning. There are emergency meetings taking place today at Elland Road. Apparently they can save between 5 and 15 million by going into admin (don't ask me how that works). However they will be deducted 10 points next season by the FA for this so we will be on -10 in August!

Just when you think we have hit rock bottom the ground falls from under us again....

Not too sure how it works but heard that the points would be deducted in the season a club goes into administration.If this is the case and Leeds go into adminstration before the weekend the effectively they'll have gone into adimin in the 2006/07 season and therefore will be deducted the points now rather than next season, (provided they come out of admin next season).Does anyone know if this is the case or not?


   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 30, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
He lived the dream...at least he tried!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 30, 2007, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 11:36:47 PM
The point that I was making is the obsession that so many Irish people have with soccer in England.   I ca'nt imagine too many people contributing to a thread on an English Soccer Board about how Kerry or Armagh will do in this year's championship.   

Then can I respectfully ask why you were reading a thread containing the words Leeds United on a NON GAA Board?  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 03, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Declan on May 03, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
Fairly peurile nonsense alright
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 03, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 03, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)

Agreed Billy. Lazy journalism in the extreme, designed simply to get a rise. An article that should be in the gutter press!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on May 04, 2007, 04:05:58 PM
Administration

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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on May 04, 2007, 04:41:58 PM
Leeds are gone into Administration, deducted ten points automatically and will no finish bottom of the Championship!
Have no pity whatsoever for the club, and I don't think many people do.
It was a good call to announce this now though, at least they can start next season on an even footing and try to rebuild their name and reputation!
Wonder where the wonder that is David Healy will run off to??
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: deiseach on May 04, 2007, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 03, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)

I'm no fan of Leeds - if the plan that fecker Ridsdale had hatched been successful, Liverpool might be the ones scratching around in the football dirt! - but that article was unbelievablely spiteful. Just because people hate Leeds doesn't mean Leeds are inherently hateful.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on May 04, 2007, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 04, 2007, 04:41:58 PM
Have no pity whatsoever for the club, and I don't think many people do.


They'll be nobody looking for pity especially from an avid watcher of Neighbours,and a supporter of the team which has the following on it's website today

04 May 2003
United were champions after Arsenal lost 3-2 at home to Leeds. Arsenal had to win, but Mark Viduka's late, offside goal sent the Red hordes watching on TV into ecstacy.


From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6625751.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6625751.stm)

Seems as suspicions were right all along, a Bates company to buy the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on May 04, 2007, 06:09:32 PM
Shotstopper you have a hint of an asshole about you!
Just a hint
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 04, 2007, 08:21:03 PM
BBC Sport Report

QuoteKPMG revealed Leeds had debts "totalling approximately £35m, with a cash injection of approximately £10m required to continue trading"

I would suggest that statement makes a mockery of Ridsdale's attempts to wash his hands of the blame.  >:(

I am no fiscal expert. I assume administration means the Club being sold off and existing creditors getting a fraction of what they are owed? If so, how do the new owners stand vis-a-vis borrowing much needed loot to inject into the Club from now on?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 01, 2007, 05:20:53 PM
Time to drag this one to the top of page 1 and get the bandwagon up and running again!!   ;D

I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

Touch wood, Leeds will be somewhere like 10-12 points off the top of the division when they hit zero points, and with a good goal difference, that may effectively be a point closer again. The hope then would be that at that stage that Leeds would only be 6-8 points off the play offs, whilst on a bit of a roll. Sunderland's experience last year show that anything is possible.

I know I shouldn't say it - but things are beginning to look up!!   :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on September 01, 2007, 10:37:20 PM

QuoteI believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

1.
QuoteI believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record.
Only team with 100% record and less than zero points.

2.
QuoteWhat makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend
CHUCKLE CHUCKLE - OH HOW THE MIGHTY (SUPER) HAVE FALLEN!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 01, 2007, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: Datsun Donaghy on September 01, 2007, 10:37:20 PM

QuoteI believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

1.
QuoteI believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record.
Only team with 100% record and less than zero points.

2.
QuoteWhat makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend
CHUCKLE CHUCKLE - OH HOW THE MIGHTY (SUPER) HAVE FALLEN!!


Indeed - you were able to check out the title of the thread prior to posting I assume - or were you just that clever all by youself?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on September 02, 2007, 02:33:00 AM
Rufus you have me pulling for a sawker team again and I  am watching out for leed's results. I hope they steer clear of the bottom of the table and mount a charge for promotion but I am sure that is a very long shot.

Anyway if nothing else I hope they find an investor with enough clout to bring them back. I would have thought there would be some big shot out there with the money and ambition to awaken a sleeping giant.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 02, 2007, 05:54:58 AM
I don't particularly like Leeds or Dennis Wise but I admire balls and 4 outta 4 is a statement of intent after all the shit they've been through. Twould be easy to lie down and blame the world.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dodo on September 02, 2007, 02:07:33 PM
Good to see briar Wise rattling the opposition dug out whilst staying calm(ish) himself. Got to hand it to himself and Poyet, great start. Will be keeping an eye on them for the year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 02, 2007, 04:19:01 PM
Quote from: stew on September 02, 2007, 02:33:00 AM
Rufus you have me pulling for a sawker team again and I  am watching out for leed's results. I hope they steer clear of the bottom of the table and mount a charge for promotion but I am sure that is a very long shot.

Anyway if nothing else I hope they find an investor with enough clout to bring them back. I would have thought there would be some big shot out there with the money and ambition to awaken a sleeping giant.



Good man Stew.

Regarding the investment, it's a funny one alright. Like yourself, I would have felt sure that Leeds would be an excellent investment opportunity for some heavy hitter - would be relatively cheap and of course the potential is there - i.e. each home game is normally the biggest crowd outside the Premier League.

Maybe the problem though is the current financial situation - I don't know. Or maybe again it's just a provincial thing - the glamour of being associated with a big London Club maybe - as Mark E Smith used to day, 'It's Grim Up North!'. Bernie Ecclestone for instance has chosen to invest in QPR, although long term he seems to have his eye on Arsenal - Leeds never seem to attract the same interest!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 03, 2007, 12:35:47 PM
I believe, from what I've heard, that on appeal Leeds are likely to get their 'sentence' of -15 reduced to -10, which would put them back 'in the black' already.

And they still seem to be getting the crowds, so the investment potential must be there.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on September 03, 2007, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 02, 2007, 04:19:01 PM
Regarding the investment, it's a funny one alright. Like yourself, I would have felt sure that Leeds would be an excellent investment opportunity for some heavy hitter - would be relatively cheap and of course the potential is there - i.e. each home game is normally the biggest crowd outside the Premier League.

Maybe the problem though is the current financial situation - I don't know.

I think its down to the Financial side of it and the way Master Bates is running things Rufus. He will not open the books for some reason to potential investors or indeed those that showed an interest in buying the club. He is obviously out to make a ball of money for himself off it in much the same way he did with Chelsea. The Elland road site is massive (check it out on Google earth) and the potential for development is huge, again much the same as was done with Stamford bridge. Hotels, shops, cinema etc could all be built along with a new stadium and there is a railway track running right along the back of the site along with an excellent road system and motorway just half a mile away. There is money to be made there if someone is smart enough to do it.

Quote from: Billys Boots on September 03, 2007, 12:35:47 PM
I believe, from what I've heard, that on appeal Leeds are likely to get their 'sentence' of -15 reduced to -10, which would put them back 'in the black' already.

And they still seem to be getting the crowds, so the investment potential must be there.

Have not heard that but it would be great news if it were true.

Never had a problem with getting good crowds. They are a very well supported club and when you think about it the only one in the city of Leeds. They had plans back in the days of premiership football to build a 60 000+ seater stadium as there was such a demand for tickets. No need for that nowadays but it might change given a few years....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 03, 2007, 01:42:25 PM
Should they not mwait for a while to get the points given back.  It would seem that anger is good.  Did Rotherham have 10 points taken away last season but they finished just above relegation.

As I said anger is serving them well at the moment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
Make that six out of six!!  ;D  2-0 victory over Hartlepool last Saturday and 3-0 last night at Bristol Rovers - both top six sides, and all five goals scored by Sir Tresor Kandol and Jermaine Beckford.

I didn't realise, but Hartlepool have backing from a Norwegian oil crowd and are going well. They had a lot of the play last week, with the difference being the finishing of Kandol and Beckford. These two could prove to be the difference this season!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on September 18, 2007, 01:57:24 PM
kandol and Beckford on fire  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on September 18, 2007, 02:27:31 PM
QuoteI didn't realise, but Hartlepool have backing from a Norwegian oil crowd and are going well.

Yeah, a few sailors from an oil tanker had a whip around - Europe next year!!

By post - sending them few groats back  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 24, 2007, 12:16:44 AM
Seven out of seven - not since Revie's team in 1973/74 - and 30K there to see Leeds at last climb out of the relegation zone - with a goal difference which is six better than the second best goal difference in the league!

So far so good, and most of the games to date seem to be against the teams from the upper reaches of the division. Gillingham away next.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 02, 2007, 11:14:08 PM
What goes around comes around. Lost the 100% record on Saturday away to Gillingham, with Kandol and Beckford both sent off, and a rearguard action eventually being breached in the 91st minute.

I thought that game was going to be Leeds' undoing, as both strikers were suspended for the trip to Oldham. As a consequence, Coventry striker Wayne Andrews and Leicester forward Mark De Vries were secured on one-month loan deals, but it was Ian Westlake who came off the bench to strike for a deserved win in the 90th minute!! Now only four points off the play offs, and with Orient's defeat, only nine off the summit!!

Just looking at the league table though, Forest are going smoothly enough with a game in hand - may take some watching!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 02, 2007, 11:24:00 PM
What they have done so far is amazing and you even have me checking out football 365 and soccernet for Leeds info Rufus. What a story it would be if they got promoted this year given the ridiculous sanctions imposed on them. The FA are charlatans, they did what they did to leeds and then they let West ham away with murder and sent Sheffield United down last year, effectively hurting them  to the tune  of 30-50 million pounds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 03, 2007, 09:10:49 AM
Quoteonly nine off the summit

I believe Orient are at Elland Road on Saturday - must be another chance to make significant ground.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 03, 2007, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on October 03, 2007, 09:10:49 AM
Quoteonly nine off the summit

I believe Orient are at Elland Road on Saturday - .

No they're not.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 03, 2007, 10:18:48 AM
I believed wrong so Shane, I'm only saying it because my next door neighbour is an Orient fan and told me so. 

I checked again, and it's Yeovil at Elland Road this Saturday and Orient next week.  Apologies.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 06, 2007, 08:09:04 PM
Leeds win again!!!! the only result I checked on or care about. Fair play to Leed's, to have gone through what they have and to be in the position they are now is a credit to them given the points deduction and I am delighted for the Leeds fans on here.

I would love to see them go up and they have a real chance now.  :)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 07, 2007, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2007, 08:09:04 PM
Leeds win again!!!! the only result I checked on or care about. Fair play to Leed's, to have gone through what they have and to be in the position they are now is a credit to them given the points deduction and I am delighted for the Leeds fans on here.

I would love to see them go up and they have a real chance now.  :)



Good man Stew!!  ;D  Really sailing close to the wind these days, but still managing to sneak home at the death. De Vries got the winner yesterday in the 89th minute  :o and he was only there due to the suspensions of Kandol and Beckford! Another big game next Saturday - home to Leyton Orient!

Pity about the points deduction - only for it - Super Leeds would be nine points clear!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 22, 2007, 12:08:02 AM
Well - the bandwagon is still speeding along! Since last posted, home draw with Leyton Orient. A match/result that could have gone either way, with again Leeds getting outplayed for long periods. Fell behind to an early goal but got the equaliser, and then missed a penalty. That said, Orient had decent claims for a goal after a shot appeared to cross the line, but it was not given!  ;D The draw will do.

Another excellent away win on Saturday followed - Brighton were going along nicely - Sir Tresor Kandol doing the business again, after signing a new contract. Closing in fast on the pay off positions now!!   8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 22, 2007, 08:55:53 AM
Quotethe pay off positions now!!   

Ouch Rufus!  I know Ken Bates is round the house, but there's no need for that.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 22, 2007, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on October 22, 2007, 08:55:53 AM
Quotethe pay off positions now!!   

Ouch Rufus!  I know Ken Bates is round the house, but there's no need for that.  :P

:D Good man Bill - a Freudian slip alright!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 27, 2007, 06:21:57 PM
Superish Leeds win again, they were 4-0 to 0-0 ahead until they relaxed and conceeded 2 goals late on to win 4-0 to 2-0.

Leeds are only four points off the  top and that is unbelievable at this juncture.

Leeds will be heading them all by the end of the year and given the points deduction what they are doing is remarkable.

Rufus will be one happy camper tonight. ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on October 27, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
Rufus is always camp!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 27, 2007, 10:20:41 PM
Some achievement that, no matter your views on Leeds, has to be admired.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2007, 12:20:11 AM
The overall League record for Leeds this season is played 13, won 11, drew 2 and lost 0, and the attendance of 30,300 for the Millwall game is particularly worth noting. It was the fourth best in England today, which, for what is effectively a third division game, is astonishing. The last home game, against Orient, apparently drew the the fifth best crowd of the day in Europe. With that kind of support, the return to glory of the Mighty Whites is increasingly inevitable. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 28, 2007, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2007, 12:20:11 AM
The overall League record for Leeds this season is played 13, won 11, drew 2 and lost 0, and the attendance of 30,300 for the Millwall game is particularly worth noting. It was the fourth best in England today, which, for what is effectively a third division game, is astonishing. The last home game, against Orient, apparently drew the the fifth best crowd of the day in Europe. With that kind of support, the return to glory of the Mighty Whites is increasingly inevitable. 

More than that, it will attract interest from wealthy investors and that is the key to Leed's survival. there is nothing more important for this club than sustaining the results on the field this year and finding a new owner, one that has the financial clout to bring the club back to the premiership.

Leeds are going to be ok. I am amazed that the league treated them they way they did and yet west ham got to stay in the premiership, how does that work???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 29, 2007, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: Datsun Donaghy on October 27, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
Rufus is always camp!

And you know me better than most, big boy!  :-*

Great win for Leeds, and only they took the foot off the pedal and shipped two late goals, then the great defensive record would have been even more impressive!

First time into the play off places and things are looking good, although a trip to Carlisle coming up will be a tester!! Only four points off the summit!!  8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 04, 2007, 06:14:45 PM
Ah bollo' as they would say in France.

The great run came to an abrupt end - got a half time report and with Leeds 1-0 up, and in comlete control, a win looked on the cards. Two quick goals after the hour mark turned the game on it's head and then caught on the break in injury time as they chased the game.

Still - the position is still good at this point in time - need a win though away to Bournemouth on Tuesday night - not too worried about the Cup next week - safer of out of it!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 04, 2007, 06:14:45 PM
Ah bollo' as they would sat in France.

The great run came to an abrupt end - got a half time report and with Leeds 1-0 up, and in comlete control, a win looked on the cards. Two quick goals after the hour mark turned the game on it's head and then caught on the break in injury time as they chased the game.

Still - the position is still good at this point in time - need a win though away to Bournemouth on Tuesday night - not too worried about the Cup next week - safer of out of it!   

Aye they need to concentrate on the League alright. It had to happen sooner or later but they will bounce back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: THE MIGHTY QUINN on November 04, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
I must admit when I heard they were 1 up I thought they were home and dry. Hopefully there won't be any hangovers from this and they can get back to wimming ways next week
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 25, 2007, 11:52:16 PM
Right - seriously worried that this thing could go tits up! Since last posted, won away in the league at Bournemouth and had a streaky enough win at home to Swindon. Lost in the Johnstone Paints trophy to Bury ( :-\) and played two shockers against Hereford before going out of the FA Cup. As Wise said, could be a blessing in disguise. Today though was seriously worrying as Leeds dominated and then got caught with a late sucker punch. That should have been a three point game. Two home fixtures coming up, and I would like to think six points might be acquired!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on November 26, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 25, 2007, 11:52:16 PM
Right - seriously worried that this thing could go tits up! Since last posted, won away in the league at Bournemouth and had a streaky enough win at home to Swindon. Lost in the Johnstone Paints trophy to Bury ( :-\) and played two shockers against Hereford before going out of the FA Cup. As Wise said, could be a blessing in disguise. Today though was seriously worrying as Leeds dominated and then got caught with a late sucker punch. That should have been a three point game. Two home fixtures coming up, and I would like to think six points might be acquired!

Is it any coincidence that things have started to turn for the worse since the departure of Poyet and the arrival of Bassett?
2 wins in the last 7 games isn't what you might call good form.Hopefully they with the next two games at home they can begin to put a run together over the Christmas which will keep them in touch with the leaders.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 08, 2007, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2007, 03:16:46 PM
Rufus will be a happy man today.
Leeds hammered Huddersfield 4-0.

Indeed I am hardstation - excellent win, although by reports, maybe flattered Leeds somewhat. The attendance of 32,501 is the biggest at this level since 1979 - worthy of mention when you consider that Manchester City, Newcastle and Chelsea have been at this level since then.

Just to go into anorak mode, back in 1979, the two Sheffields were in the third division and the two attendances were 49,000 (Hillsborough) and 46,000 (Bramall Lane).   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 31, 2007, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 29, 2007, 05:04:42 PM
Not so happy today, Rufus. Bate 3-2.

Aye - listened to it on the internet and to be honest they did not appear to deserve anything from the game. The good thing about it is that the other leading contenders dropped points, and it is another very tough game out of the way. One of Swansea's games in hand is away to Carlisle, so there will be more points dropped there!

Still worried though about the team long term, as the team does not appear to be playing well and are still sneaking wins and draws on occasion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
Not a good Christmas at all, or indeed December either. NewYear has started well with back to back wins for the first time since November. The 3-0 hammering of Northampton (in yer face Cobblers  8)) was followed with a good win tonight at Crewe. Actually thought Leeds played well, trying to play the ball to feet, and I like the look of the new lad Kilkenny. Wise said tonight that he is still hoping to get anoher couple of faces in before the end of January. Another big game on Saturday against Doncaster who are going well. Win that and hopefully this sticky patch will be put to bed. Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Onwards and upwards!!!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2008, 12:17:36 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
Not a good Christmas at all, or indeed December either. NewYear has started well with back to back wins for the first time since November. The 3-0 hammering of Northampton (in yer face Cobblers  8)) was followed with a good win tonight at Crewe. Actually thought Leeds played well, trying to play the ball to feet, and I like the look of the new lad Kilkenny. Wise said tonight that he is still hoping to get anoher couple of faces in before the end of January. Another big game on Saturday against Doncaster who are going well. Win that and hopefully this sticky patch will be put to bed. Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Onwards and upwards!!!!   :)

The rough patch appears to be over and the team seems to be on the right track again. The focus now has to be at least four points out of every two games, win the home games and get at least a draw away and they will be fine although they probably need to average 5 points out of six the rest of the way to get promoted automatically.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 15, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
QuoteImportant though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 15, 2008, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 15, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
QuoteImportant though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.

I'd think at this stage Jewell is probably thinking of the championship, as are Leeds,so don't really think it would benefit Beckford to leave a team who are competing for automatic promotion to the championship, to go to a team that is struggling and most likely to be relegated to the championship.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 15, 2008, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 15, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
QuoteImportant though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.

Agreed totally Billy. Beckford is good where he is now, but Premiership standard he is not. Worth stating that any references to Leeds performances should be seen in the same light. Good and all as they played last night, the chasm between there and the bottom of the Premiership would be sizeable.

Still, currently horses for courses, just like it was way back in season 1989/90. But I'm hopeful with the new players in, that promotion is definitely on, which is one step on the long road back!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 28, 2008, 05:56:23 PM


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7213096.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7213096.stm)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 28, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Shotstopper's link was to this.  I, personally, am not sorry to see the back of Wise - hopefully he's replaced with an intelligent person with the game at heart.  And him and Keegan - well met indeed.   ::)


Wise quits Leeds for Magpies role 

Leeds United have agreed to let manager Dennis Wise join Newcastle as the Magpies' new director of football, BBC Sport understands.
The 41-year-old will join the club on Tuesday and will work under new Magpies manager Kevin Keegan.

A club statement said: "We have agreed a compensation package with Newcastle for the services of Dennis Wise.

"He will part with the club on Tuesday after completing preparations for the game at Southend on Tuesday."

Former Tottenham director of football David Pleat was surprised that Wise was offered the role at such a young age.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "Wise has never been director of football before although he has been relatively sucessful coach at Millwall and was doing good work at Leeds.

"I would imagine it would be a completely new challenge for him and I have to say, it is usually a challenge that is given to a more experienced man."

Newcastle approached Leeds on Friday after former Newcastle striker Alan Shearer opted not to return to St James' Park as Keegan's number two.

Wise played for England under Keegan and has enhanced his standing at Leeds.

On the appointment of Keegan two weeks ago Wise said: "I worked with him at England and he did a very good job there. All the punters are pleased that he's gone back to Newcastle.

"He's a good man and all the people that have worked with him have enjoyed working with him. He's got a real good aura around him and it's nice to see him back."

The former Chelsea captain has guided Leeds into play-off contention in League One despite them starting the season on minus 15 points.

That penalty followed their going into administration last season and being relegated, and money remains tight at Elland Road.

Keegan himself would not be drawn on the subject of Wise at a Newcastle media briefing on Monday.

"Obviously, there are going to be some moves at this club, but I think the chairman Chris Mort has really got to come out and say what that's all about later this week."

It is the second time this season that Leeds chairman Ken Bates has lost a member of his managerial team to a Premier League club following assistant manager Gus Poyet's move to Tottenham earlier in the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on January 28, 2008, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 28, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Leeds United have agreed to let manager Dennis Wise join Newcastle as the Magpies' new director of football, BBC Sport understands.
The 41-year-old will join the club on Tuesday and will work under new Magpies manager Kevin Keegan.

Some very confused thinking there...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on January 28, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 28, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
Is he Wise?

Eyes bigger than his belly...would imagine he wil go the way of Moe Greene, methaphorcally anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: FermPundit on January 28, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Get your money on Gary McAllister being the new manager with Garry Speed on the coaching staff. Two members of the Leeds league champions team of 1992 reunited.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 28, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 28, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Shotstopper's link was to this.  I, personally, am not sorry to see the back of Wise - hopefully he's replaced with an intelligent person with the game at heart.  And him and Keegan - well met indeed.   ::)

Good call Bill - I had been prepared to give Dennis the benefit of considerable doubt, but where now for all his talk of commitment and loyalty?

There's a lad on waccoe.com who seems to have the inside track on what's going on, and he had been predicting this one. The reasoning behind it though probably leaves more questions than answers, with some surmising that Uncle Ken will sell up to Freddy Shepherd, and that a manager that the fans will be pleased with, will  be inserted!

Either way, something would need to happen quickly or there could be serious repercussions for the form on the pitch.

It's nothing if not interesting!   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 29, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
Quotesome surmising that Uncle Ken will sell up to Freddy Shepherd

Aieeeeeeeeee, ouch.

Quotemoney on Gary McAllister being the new manager with Garry Speed on the coaching staff

I could live with that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 29, 2008, 11:59:13 AM
There seems to be some chat that Billy Davies may be interested.  Is there mileage in that?  What about Fat Sam?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
John sheridan seems to be third favourite at 7/1
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 29, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
Looking very likely to be McAllister,although he has limited managerial experience he would be an inspiration to all and his appointment could give the club the lift it needs to get promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 29, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: shotstopper1 on January 29, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
Looking very likely to be McAllister,although he has limited managerial experience he would be an inspiration to all and his appointment could give the club the lift it needs to get promotion.

Bassett gone T.G.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 29, 2008, 10:16:11 PM
Gary Mc is the new man then - wonder could Gary Speed be persuaded to come on board as player/coach? This is a popular appointment and I would have to say after the disappointment of Wise leaving, this is a lift. As Mers said tonight on Sky Sports, it is a good move for Leeds, and McAllister will play nice passing football (in contrast to DW's tactics), but he questions whether the personnel are there to play such football. Still, the small matter of on field performances were brought home by another defeat away to Southend tonight, although the indifferent form of others (excluding Swansea) is restricting the damage. However, things need to happen on the pitch soon. With the transfer window closing, it's going to be down to the manager!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 30, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
BBC Sport: Leeds name McAllister as new boss 

Leeds have appointed former player Gary McAllister as their new manager after Dennis Wise's move to Newcastle.  Ex-Scotland midfielder McAllister, 43, who played for Leeds from 1990 to 1996, has joined initially until the summer.

He also played for Leicester, Liverpool and Coventry, whom he managed for 18 months before leaving to care for wife Denise, who died of cancer in 2006.  McAllister, who won 57 caps, was in the frame for the Scotland job before Alex McLeish was appointed in 2007.

However, he pulled out of the running to succeed McLeish early on and George Burley got the job earlier this month.  Wise left the club on Tuesday after 15 months in charge, while assistant Dave Bassett has also departed.  Technical director Gwyn Williams will take charge of the game at Southend.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on February 04, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2008, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: shotstopper1 on February 04, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp)

Hope Stan can do well and maybe go on to be No.1 at some club..Probably should have done something like this before taking Ireland job
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: full back on February 04, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: full back on February 04, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister

I meant from Staunton took charge of Ireland in Jan 06. No need to be a smart arse eg ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: full back on February 04, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: full back on February 04, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister

I meant from Staunton took charge of Ireland in Jan 06. No need to be a smart arse eg ::)

I wasn't being a smartarse. You asked a question, I answered it. Since you didn't specify "since Jan 06", but said "for the last few years", my answer covered it. (A period of mourning after Mar. 06 is a bit of a given, followed by some more recent media work with Sky etc- unless you think I'm being smartarsed in saying even that...)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 02:49:47 PM
Whatever eg ::)  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ildanach on February 04, 2008, 04:06:24 PM
just when you thought it could not get any worse for leeds....................

Staunton Set For Leeds Role
Mon 04 Feb, 03:10 PM


Leeds are poised to name Steve Staunton as assistant manager to Gary McAllister.

The former Republic of Ireland boss will meet the Leeds squad at Thorp Arch with a view to being confirmed as McAllister's number two at Elland Road.

Staunton, who won 102 international caps for the Republic, will team up with McAllister after the pair worked together at Coventry.

The former Liverpool, Aston Villa and Coventry full-back joined the Sky Blues as a player when McAllister was manager in August 2003.

Staunton was appointed successor to Brian Kerr as Republic coach in January 2006, but was sacked the following October following an unsuccessful Euro 2008 qualifying campaign.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 15, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
If Leeds get the 15 pts back, they're promoted already I think - 5 will do to get them into play-offs safely, I'd think.

From BBC:
Leeds poised to learn points fate 
 
The independent tribunal to consider Leeds' 15-point deduction is set to start on Wednesday.

Leeds were docked the points by the Football League for allegedly breaking competition rules on insolvency.

But the club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to the independent arbitration hearing after initially serving the League with a High Court writ.

A three-man panel reviewing the penalty is expected to make their ruling before Leeds' trip to Millwall on 19 April.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on April 15, 2008, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 15, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
If Leeds get the 15 pts back, they're promoted already I think - 5 will do to get them into play-offs safely, I'd think.

From BBC:
Leeds poised to learn points fate 
 
The independent tribunal to consider Leeds' 15-point deduction is set to start on Wednesday.

Leeds were docked the points by the Football League for allegedly breaking competition rules on insolvency.

But the club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to the independent arbitration hearing after initially serving the League with a High Court writ.

A three-man panel reviewing the penalty is expected to make their ruling before Leeds' trip to Millwall on 19 April.


Here's hoping. I thought the punishment was completely vindictive, as it was retrospective, and against natural juctice, in that they were in fact punished twice for the same offence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2008, 05:18:50 PM
Firstly tomorrow is D Day, I believe we will get the 15 points back and if we beat Huddersfield tonight we are all but promoted. The hilarious thing is swansea celebrating promotion last sat when if leeds if get 15pts back tomorrow there not promoted as carlisle can still catch them. This article is from Yorkshire Evening Post. Tells all and Leeds have great chance of getting pts back, I will be glued to Sky sports news tomorrow for breaking news, could be a great week for me if leeds get promoted and Sligo can do the great escape in div3, I seen leeds against walsall and we are playing good entertaining football and 28,500 at last weekends game, very loyal fans, and the only official soccer thread on AFR is leeds:

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2008, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2008, 05:18:50 PM
Firstly tomorrow is D Day, I believe we will get the 15 points back and if we beat Huddersfield tonight we are all but promoted. The hilarious thing is swansea celebrating promotion last sat when if leeds if get 15pts back tomorrow there not promoted as carlisle can still catch them. This article is from Yorkshire Evening Post. Tells all and Leeds have great chance of getting pts back, I will be glued to Sky sports news tomorrow for breaking news, could be a great week for me if leeds get promoted and Sligo can do the great escape in div3, I seen leeds against walsall and we are playing good entertaining football and 28,500 at last weekends game, very loyal fans, and the only official soccer thread on AFR is leeds:

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors

I was reading this yesterday and was taken aback by the confidence that's in the air. The fifteen points back would mean they are well in the hunt for the title!  8) Still, I would imagine if the appeal was successful, it would be subject to a counter appeal, and the whole issue could drag on for some time.

On the field though, things are looking up, with Macca having Leeds playing a nice style of football. The return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important, as his absence in the mid season slump was more then a coincidence. One defeat now in the last twelve, with victories over potential play off rivals Doncaster and Carlisle, leave Leeds heading for the conclusion of the season with some confidence. Promotion could yet become a reality!   

Edit: Should have known better than to open my mouth about recent good form - looks like Leeds are about to take a spill as we speak!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 16, 2008, 08:56:38 AM
QuoteThe return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important.

You and your gob Rufus, lost the derby to Huddersfield, and Douglas sent off.  Brilliant.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2008, 05:19:09 PM
Lads a bit longer waith than I thought, it could be early next week before we know. Good to see beckford is back for millwall game. Bad result last night but I still believe are moving in the right direction.

Here is article from YEP:

Leeds United were today beginning their arbitrational challenge against the 15-point penalty imposed on the club by the Football League.

An independent review of United's penalty was due to begin in London this morning, with the hearing expected to last for up to three days.

A three-man panel consisting of retired High Court judge Sir Philip Otton, former Premier League chief executive Peter Leaver and lawyer Peter Cadman will consider United's argument that the deduction handed down to them for failing to exit administration through a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) was "unjustand unfair".

Leeds are being represented by David Phillips QC, while Jonathan Taylor of Bird & Bird was expected to lead the Football League's defence.

A verdict from the arbitration hearing is unlikely to be delivered before Friday, and it is anticipated that the tribunal's decision may be made public early next week.

United will argue that the Football League did not have the jurisdiction to punish the club with a 15-point penalty.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2008, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 16, 2008, 08:56:38 AM
QuoteThe return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important.

You and your gob Rufus, lost the derby to Huddersfield, and Douglas sent off.  Brilliant.  ::)

I know, I know - the irony of me saying that is killing me!   :-[

I'm going to predict now that we will get some of our 15 points back - not enough to affect the automatic promotion situation, but enough to guarantee a play off place - something like five points!

Going on previous, I now expect Elland Road to be destroyed in a tsunami and Leeds will have to fold!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 18, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
Big breaking news. The tribunal is set to run for a fourth day bringing into monday.

But this is strange announcement by panel, the decision will not be made until MAY 1ST at the earliest.

No reasons given. According to the LUFC website.

Why on earth are they going to wait till the season is over before making decision? Nobody will be able to plan for play offs. Are the Football league trying to shaft us again. What is logic behind that decision to delay the verdict????????
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 18, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
OOOPS i read it wrong ::).

Verdict will be made available before MAY 1ST at the latest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on April 19, 2008, 12:25:16 AM
I think they will get just enough points to ensure that they make the playoffs and not enough to automatically get promoted. The league should never have handed out this penalty in the first place but they will have learned from the mistakes they made with west ham in the sense that they know better than to directly cost another team their rightful place in the higher bracket. The hammers decision meant in the end than another team went down when they should have went down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 19, 2008, 12:44:24 AM
Quotein that they were in fact punished twice for the same offence.

Is part of the issue not that, in reality, Leeds tried to avoid being punished at all by going into administration when they were not officially relegated but were goners as a result of goal difference?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on April 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on April 19, 2008, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.

Leeds should have expected the same fate as West Ham except the fine should have been smaller given that they play in a much lower league. The should never have been docked the points imo in the first place. To impose that kind of sanction on a team already strugling for survival is ridiculous in my opinion, this action would kill most clubs who  already circle the drain.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:18:41 PM
Yeovil 0 Leeds 1 FT, great result. Now we are guarnteed the play offs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.

In fairness Leeds didnt break the rules. The 15pt deduction is completely seperate to the adminstration which we were already deducted 10pts. It is do with the work carried out by our adminstraters and ethicetc(cant spell that word) around coming out of adminstration. I posted a full article Yorkshire EP on AFR but will post it here so everyone can read it for themselves.

In fairness to us as everyone says football is won on the field. If that was the case we'd be top by 2 tonight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:40:46 PM
Here is the article on Leeds 15 pt hearing, make your own mind up..............

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors.
The full article contains 528 words and appears in EP Leeds First & County newspaper.

The offer made by Bates is listed in the High Court claim as being worth 52.9p in the £, compared to 32.2p proposed by the second-highest bid.

The figure of 52.9p clearly includes the sum that will be paid to creditors in the event that United are promoted to the Premiership and the true pay-out is presently closer to 11p in the £. But the Football League themselves appear to have conceded that the best offer on the table was the one accepted by KPMG.

On the question of HMRC's uncooperative stance, the debate over the reimbursement of 'football creditors' will also be raised again.

Leeds claim that the Revenue's challenge against the CVA was driven by what Bates calls "intransigence", and its dissatisfaction with Football League rules requiring players, managers and relevant footballing institutions to be paid in full by insolvent clubs. It is a key demand placed on every club in administration that wishes to regain its membership of the League.

HMRC – an unsecured creditor – has, by its own admission, adopted a militant stance towards CVAs proposed by professional clubs and its opposition has hindered Bournemouth's move out of administration. An administrators' sale is on the cards at Dean Court, which means, in theory, that another 15-point deduction may by in the offing.

Leeds' assessment of HMRC's stance is, in truth, only part of the story. According to the club's claim form, the legal challenge against the CVA was partially driven by the Revenue's doubt over the validity of the voting rights given to three different creditors – Astor Investment Holdings Limited, Mark Taylor & Company and Yorkshire Radio Limited.

All three debts helped to approve the CVA and all were sanctioned with legal advice, but it does dampen the argument that HMRC's challenge was driven solely by frustration or spite. The Revenue felt it had a legitimate complaint, though the validity of its claim was never proved. The administrators' sale by KPMG killed the challenge instantly.

But it was the direct sale to Bates which made a CVA impossible to implement.

United believe that in meeting their football debts in full enough names were removed from the club's list of creditors to leave HMRC with a voting share in excess of 25 per cent – big enough to oppose any offer put to them. No deal which promised less than the Revenue's entire debt of over £7m would have been considered acceptable.

The difficulty with which Bournemouth are shaking off insolvency is apparent evidence that the Revenue's opposition is being applied consistently, rather than specifically.

The crux of next week's argument, however, may be whether the Football League have the power or the jurisdiction to punish a club in United's position with a sanction of any sort.

Leeds contend that, in the eyes of the League, they broke no rules

They are also adamant that no area of the organisation's regulations relating to either membership of the League or the matter of insolvency offers provision to penalise a club with a 15-point deduction.

The rules are open to interpretation, and the League are likely to argue differently, but United's claim form reads: "There is no general jurisdiction for the League to impose penalties in the way it has done in relation to Leeds."

It is a point they will press on the tribunal with force. So closely have the rules been scrutinised that United's claim cannot be said to have been made on a whim.

Complications exist, inevitably, and Leeds are expected to be asked to explain why they are challenging the Football League when an agreement was signed in August confirming that they would not do so.

The club will state that they assumed the League had the power to impose their penalty, an assumption which they now believe was "wrong in law". They will also insist that their takeover met the three priorities stated by the Football League in a press release relating to Bates' takeover, which were "the continuation of the football club...secondly, payment in full to football creditors and, finally, the best possible return for all other creditors."

The tribunal might agree.

It is, inherently, a complex case about which no pre-conceptions can be made. According to those with knowledge of arbitration proceedings, talk of a pre-arranged deal returning a reduced number of points is nonsense. The men named on the tribunal panel – Sir Philip Otton, Peter Cadman and Peter Leaver – seem too legally-minded for that.

But while the Football League have seemed the most likely winners from the word go, it may not now be prudent to make assumptions about their success either.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).

Giles and Clough both hated each other with gusto   :P.. but the notion that old big head could walk in there and make a p***k out of  the whole team.. the last chapter when Clough is leaving leeds in a brand new Merc and a cheque for 25,000 makes you think....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).

Giles and Clough both hated each other with gusto   :P.. but the notion that old big head could walk in there and make a p***k out of  the whole team.. the last chapter when Clough is leaving leeds in a brand new Merc and a cheque for 25,000 makes you think....

Makes you think - things were similiar under Risdale reign, I read fowlers autobiography aswell, His chapter on leeds is called "take the money and run son" a director of leeds said that him while he was driving away in his merc too :P. Although Bates is EX chelsea he wont throw away money like past regimes. 44 days book was good read for sure.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 29, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
According to SKY SPORTS NEWS the Verdict of the arbriatration will be announced at 5 o clock on Thursday. :-\.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 30, 2008, 09:18:47 AM
QuoteDave Peace's book 'The Damned United'

Absolutely marvellous read, best sports book I've read in a long, long time - even if it does take a bit of poetic licence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on May 01, 2008, 05:07:33 PM
Appeal rejected. Full 15 point deduction to remain. BASTARDS!

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1303526,00.html (http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1303526,00.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 05:27:23 PM
Leeds appeal rejected for no good reason only timing????????? and the effect it has on other clubs.
What about the fact that it was unlawful in the first place just ignored because it is so close to end of the season.
They also blamed leeds for the delays which were the football leagues fault. Bastards is right. I'll explain more later. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 06:16:37 PM
Right lads just listened to a 20 minute interview of Bates on Yorkshire radio.

Unbelieavble stuff. He said it was a morale victory for Leeds and that weve been done on a Technicality.

The arbitration said in a very gentlemanly way that the football league procedures have to change. Basically because of the procedure where club in administration have to waivy the right of appeal. Leeds were told by football to do this last yr or get kicked out of the league. So leeds signed and still pursued the matter. Only for our competiters to get to have a say on our punishment. Injustice or what.

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.

Leeds also stated the technicallity was them doing everything in line with the insolvency procedures of football league but it is not lawful in the eyes of the inland revenue. Leeds payed there creditors in full but not inland revenue. Which p**ied off Lord mawhinney and hes been out to get us since.

The arbitration panel put blame on leeds for the delays. Bates said that is false. We wanted arbitration since AUGUST. But football league decided to put it to our competitors.

Bates said there has been miscarriages of justice before and here we are again. He said hes sorted out the mess left by other owners.

The only way justice will be served IF LEEDS UTD GO UP. The fact of the matter is timing was the main reason they gave and that tough s**h yee delayed it. That means if we had got arbritration in October wed probably have won.

Bates last sentence was this, "If this is justice then Im a BANANA :D.






This next bit is more of the same from another forum.

A three-day hearing reached its conclusion behind closed doors on Thursday in London where Leeds failed to convince a three-man panel that the League acted unfairly when docking the points as punishment for breaking competition rules on insolvency.

The hearing's decision to rule in the League's favour sees Leeds stay in sixth place in League One - and they must now hope to secure promotion via a play-off place.

The hearing's decision to rule in the League's favour sees Leeds stay in sixth place in League One and they must now hope to secure promotion via the play-offs.

The verdict will be met with huge celebration by Swansea, Doncaster, Carlisle and Nottingham Forest, who had all been braced for possible legal action had the three-man panel overturned Leeds' sanction.

If Leeds had been handed back all 15 points they would have jumped from sixth to second, ousting Doncaster from an automatic promotion spot, while Swansea would not have been assured of the League One title.

Leeds chairman Ken Bates confirmed he would accept the tribunal's findings, but was aggrieved at its criticism of Leeds for the delay in bringing about the action.

A club statement said: "In making the decision the panel took into account the detailed submissions made by both parties.

"The panel were critical of the length of time taken by Leeds United in bringing this action to have the 15-point decision overturned.

"We feel this finding is unjust as the club sought to oppose the imposition of the penalty from August 30, 2007 onwards.

"We did accept the imposed condition of a 15-point penalty subject to an appeal to member clubs.

"As at August 3, 2007 we had no option but to do so. If we had not the club would have been lost forever, which was far too big a price for anyone to pay.

"It is galling therefore that we are criticised for the delay in bringing the appeal when it was delays by the Football League that effectively backed us into this corner in the first place."

The statement continued: "The appeal to member clubs was imposed by the Football League.

"We have been critical of this throughout and felt justified therefore that the tribunal felt it was unsatisfactory due to the level of vested interest in the appeal body.

"Leeds United will be proposing at the forthcoming Football League AGM a change to the regulations to this effect to protect other clubs in the future.

"If what football achieves out of this decision is clarity for clubs in the future (and there will undoubtedly be cases of insolvency again), then that can mitigate some of our disappointment as we want all clubs to survive through what are very difficult times.

"The matter is now closed and the focus can now return to the pitch. The decision to remain in League One was always correct from the club's perspective.

"If the team are now able to progress through the play-offs to the Championship, then it would be the appropriate reward for the efforts of the club's fans and players in overcoming the penalty imposed on the club."

Leeds were deducted 15 points for failing to exit administration via a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA).

A majority of more than 75% of fellow Football League clubs then voted to uphold the sanction.

Bates had been forced to put the club in the hands of administrators last May due to debts of around £35million.

The club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to an arbitration hearing after initially serving the Football League with a High Court writ.

Bournemouth and Luton could start next season with a similar handicap after both recently failed to exit administration via a CVA.

Leeds have already ensured their place in the play-offs with victory at Yeovil last week.

Gary McAllister's side will play their final match of the season against Gillingham on Sunday in front of a sell-out crowd at Elland Road.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on May 01, 2008, 06:50:38 PM
Hope it galvinises them for the play-offs - shove it right up the league administrators and their opponents.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on May 01, 2008, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 06:16:37 PM

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.
That's more than a bit dubious that rival clubs had a vote in the matter.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 01, 2008, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 06:16:37 PM

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.
That's more than a bit dubious that rival clubs had a vote in the matter.



They didnt have a vote this time it was just 3man arbitration. But back in october the football league brought it to a club vote when it should of been brought to arbitration in the first place. Every club in league 2 wants leeds down for extra revenue and league 1 clubs would of course have better chance with us deducted pts. Then championship clubs wouldnt want a giant like us back. It stink of greed and self interest.

Weve actually did every club in administration or near it a huge favour in that the Football league have to revise there procedures now because they are flawed which makes us the MARTYRs.

The arbitration would of probably voted in favour of us back then as they now blame us for delaying and timing it now would be unfaiir to other clubs.

Absolute travesty of justice. Whats worse is seeing mawhinney smugness on sky along with swansea and gillingham chairmen >:( >:(.

Anyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there, if we do it this way and get promoted its probably better for the fans. The release of rage inside me if we get promoted wont be unlike a primal scream. :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
can you blame the swansea and gillingham charimen for being happy. the self pity is great craic.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
can you blame the swansea and gillingham charimen for being happy. the self pity is great craic.

Explain to me why the Gillingham chairman is sooooo happy and opinionated the clown. :D. When he has to go to ELLAND RD this saturday and win to stay up. You obviously havnt a clue. ::).

Ok the swansea is delighted and feels justice has been served, when the man hasnt got a clue what the circumstances are.  If this was on the field where it matters we'd be promoted.

The only way justice will be done is if we send the Gills down to League 2 and win the play offs. Anyways as  fan I get to see leeds in home leg and hopefully will be at the new wembley seeing us win in front of 90,000. Wouldnt mind that too much ;D.

It is time too look on the bright side.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 09:07:16 PM
i dont know is their a reason for him not to be happy?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2008, 11:47:16 PM
At least all the uncertainty is now over. Time to move on and concentrate on the play offs. Of the five possible teams who wil be competing, I would say Leeds are probably showing the best current form. Going up would be great, but if the worst comes to the worst and Leeds fail this time around, at least Leeds can start next season, for the first time in a long while, confident that they will be playing on a level playing field, and with optimism that a return to the Championship is around the corner!    8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 09:07:16 PM
i dont know is their a reason for him not to be happy?

Yes because hes just done a rafael benitez on it. LUFC will show no mercy and motivation for the game will be from his comments. We have nothing to play for this weekend and the clown should keep his mouth shut especially when hes at the bottom of the table and it wouldnt effect him us getting the pts back.

Rufus it would be soul destroying to not get promoted now. Absolutely unthinkable. We will get promoted... 8).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 02, 2008, 11:22:55 AM
It's back to the old Revie days of 'everyone hates us, let's show the f*ckers', and that suits me (and half of Yorkshire).  The good days are on the way back, I tell ye.  Icky Thump!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 02, 2008, 11:22:55 AM
It's back to the old Revie days of 'everyone hates us, let's show the f*ckers', and that suits me (and half of Yorkshire).  The good days are on the way back, I tell ye.  Icky Thump!!

Ya lets show the f*ckers. The tide is definitly turning. Leeds till I die.  8).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 02, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
QuoteAnyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there

So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 02, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 02, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
QuoteAnyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there

So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Ouch  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 02, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
I believe the French say it best.

'Touché Msr. Seanie' :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 02, 2008, 04:16:45 PM
Class Seanie  :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 06:03:51 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on May 02, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 02, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
QuoteAnyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there

So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Ouch  :D :D :D

Seanie - Im going to send you a PM just to explain how things have changed for me. I dont want people to know my personal business and I dont want get into a pointless war of words with you again.

I will say this I didnt know the date for the play off final was same day. I got some good news last week in my life and I am now available to go. I didnt know both clashed and had intended to go to both. I will also say in 2006 I had to same choice when living in london to go see leeds in cardiff play off final (alot easier to get too) but no I flew home and went to galway got soaked and didnt see any game because it was called off.  Came home again the week after.

There is only one choice for me, I always support Sligo first. End of and that cannot be questioned. The same choice will be made this time i just didnt know they clashed.

Please dont try and justify in your own head your oen lack of support of your county by trying to belittle me. I know I know my stuff and I do not need validation of anyone outside myself.

Rarely also to I question or lecture anyone for not going to games. I only bring that up when someone who wasnt at the game, has an opinion on the game thats all. Of course I do wish a couple of thousand would go to league games but thats unrealistic.

Read my PM. Im not going to waste a PM on OMS. It would be full of BEAL BOCHT stuff, (still dont know what that means)Im sure its a compliment to me ::).

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2008, 12:47:56 PM
Got back last night from Leeds. Very disappointing performance. The atmosphere was beyond anything ive ever experienced especially at the start. The roar from the revie stand is unbeliavble. In fairness to leeds fans they were behind the team the whole way through. Marching on together has to be the best soccer chant for displaying passion. Just a pity the team didnt respond. Extroadinary experience all the same.

Considering how shit we played 2-1 is actually a good result. The place went mental when freedman scored because the tie was over if we lost 2-0. But now we still have a chance. I was at 1st leg play off against preston a few yrs back and we played ok but eddie lewis got great free kick to level 1-1. Remember billy davies after saying JOB DONE. Not quite Leeds won away leg 2-0.

Leeds have major problems. The midfield was Douglas, Howson, prutton and kilkenny, all of them are central midfielders with not much pace. We had no width on either flank and poor frazer richardson was being overlapped the whole night with no cover. Kilkenny gave him no protection. Taking off beckford was a mistake. Should of played 3 up top with kandol coming on. The supply to the front men was atrocious. No creativity. Carlisle looked dangerous all night but seat back and invited us on which eventually we took advantage of.

Anyways we cant play much worse so maybe we can do it and hopefully get the first goal. I still believe we can do it.

"15pts who gives a fu*k, we are leeds and were going up" ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2008, 01:39:24 PM
Times are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
That's the way they like it at Leeds, Main Street, apparently.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2008, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2008, 12:47:56 PM
Considering how shit we played 2-1 is actually a good result. The place went mental when freedman scored because the tie was over if we lost 2-0. But now we still have a chance. I was at 1st leg play off against preston a few yrs back and we played ok but eddie lewis got great free kick to level 1-1. Remember billy davies after saying JOB DONE. Not quite Leeds won away leg 2-0.


Was thinking something similar myself after the match. There's still hope and if Leeds can get in amongst them, and Carlisle get a bit nervous, who knows!!   ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2008, 09:54:06 AM
QuoteThere's still hope and if Leeds can get in amongst them, and Carlisle get a bit nervous, who knows!!

It's definitely winnable, but I'm not confident.  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2008, 10:13:05 PM
What an unbeliable game.....We did it. What a perforamance, absolutely battered them and showed some courage to express ourselves like that...Howson was our worst player last monday and reacts by putting in a performance like that,,, frazer richardson was awesome...the team were fantastic.

It is not often I see my father jump up in delight, in fact he is the king of hiding his emotions and Ive only seen him lose himself twice last yrs connaght final and tonight, he usually tells me to calm down,, but both of us went mental when leeds scored 2nd goal. The importance was huge. Being stuck in this division next yr would feel like relegation. Lost my voice again but its worth it.

15pts who gives a f*ck, we are LEEDS and we are going up!!!!! Always pays to have faith. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D YES YES YES YES

I know we are not up yet but considering 95mins gone in the 1st lag and we were 2-0 down it is some relief heading to wembley.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2008, 11:31:06 PM
Absolutely tremendous - Leeds bossed that game from start to finish, and dare I say it, actually played some seriously nice football in patches!  :-*

Well worth the win - bring on Wembley!!   8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 15, 2008, 11:32:26 PM
Fair play lads. Hope you win it, and that's from a Chelsea fan!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 15, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
Would love to see 'Da Gaffa' tilt Championship windmills.

It's been a tough time for genuine Leeds supporters and I hope ye win the big one in Wembly and get back to the Championship (where you belong)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Its nice to see the well wishers. To be honest any true football with a soul or conscience should have some sympathy for Leeds fans and whats happened completely outside our control. But boy have we stayed loyal and passionate.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: KIDDO 4 on May 16, 2008, 12:05:14 AM
We are on the way back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
The tide is definitly turning in our favour. I actually met BATES on the day of game last monday. He was friendly enough. Also told us that plans are in place to build 2 hotels and amusement centre where the leeds shop is and build a new shop. Something similiar to what he did at Chelsea. On/Off the field Leeds are coming good at last. I think were in safe enough hands at the minute.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
QuoteTimes are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed

Roddy did them less damage than Risdale & co did to Leeds!

Leeds are a club I care very little for but have found myself looking for their results this year and (I feel dirty) hoping they do well and even get promoted. I just feel that deducting 15 points was completely unfair and punishing the wrong people - the players and supporters - who had fcuk all to do with the reasons for the penalty.

Good luck in the final. Next season will see normal service resumed with me hoping ye lose every game!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 16, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
Thanks Seanie, I'm looking forward to Leeds getting back to what they do best, handing out hidings to Man Utd.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2008, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
QuoteTimes are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed

Roddy did them less damage than Risdale & co did to Leeds!

Leeds are a club I care very little for but have found myself looking for their results this year and (I feel dirty) hoping they do well and even get promoted. I just feel that deducting 15 points was completely unfair and punishing the wrong people - the players and supporters - who had fcuk all to do with the reasons for the penalty.

Good luck in the final. Next season will see normal service resumed with me hoping ye lose every game!

Thanks Seanie, at least you have compassion for the unfairness at which weve been punished this year, which is commendable. Next yr perfectly understandable that we will lose the sympathy vote which we are getting across the board this yr from alot of other club fans. I have to say i love supporting leeds ;D , never a dull moment and always a rollercoaster.

15pts who gives a f*ck we are leeds and we are going up!!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 17, 2008, 04:32:13 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
The tide is definitly turning in our favour. I actually met BATES on the day of game last monday. He was friendly enough. Also told us that plans are in place to build 2 hotels and amusement centre where the leeds shop is and build a new shop. Something similiar to what he did at Chelsea. On/Off the field Leeds are coming good at last. I think were in safe enough hands at the minute.

I met Bates once too. He was always a c**t in the media but as he saved Chelsea he was alright in my eyes. Anyhow I had been going to SB a few years and had ever seen Capt Birdsye at all.

One day after a game I seen him leave the ground, and he was getting a photo with a couple of young kids. I was courteous and stood back, and then asked him would he mind if I got a photo with him. 'no you can piss off' he said!

To say I was stunned would be an understatement. The old red rage descended, and I went down the street after him, and told him he can 'shove his picture up his arse'! He backed off then pleading innocence.

He is an ignorant old hoor but I've always had some admiration for him.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 26, 2008, 07:22:07 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=238878&lid=sublink010&lpos=headlines_main

QuoteMaple Leaf Sports and Entertainment's search for an English football club appears to have focused on the North of England.

According to a report in the British newspaper the Sunday Mirror, MLSE has begun preliminary talks that would see the organization acquire Leeds United.

Leeds United currently competes in League One, England's third division, and would reportedly welcome investors that would provide the team with the financial might to return to the Premier League.

MLSE president Richard Peddie recently visited England last month to meet with a number of clubs, including Southhampton and Reading.

"It is a very interesting area where we feel many of our ideas would work," said Peddie.

MLSE currently owns the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Toronto Raptors and Major League Soccer franchise Toronto FC.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2008, 07:28:14 PM
Just too depressed to give a f*ck about takeovers. Feels like a relegation yday. Have to look at the ffing league 1 table for another year :'(.

Only thing that would depress me more is Sligo losing to mayo. Better not happen. I dont think I could take Leeds in league 1 and sligo in TM cup at the same time.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 26, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
It was a bad day for Leeds, but we have no one to blame other than ourselves. The occasion seemed to get to us, and we were lucky to get to the break at 0-0. However, if we had kept it tight at the start of the second half, Doncaster were bound to get frustrated. Instead, after one minute, we left their centre forward standing at the penalty spot unmarked from a corner. After that, we relied on the long ball far too much and our crossing was dreadful. The only person who might have changed things was Freedman, and he was inexplicably replaced by the ineffective Kandol. In fairness to the team, it was such a roller coaster season that they were nearly bound to tire at the very end. At least we will hopefully start level with everyone else the next time round. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 12, 2008, 09:26:04 PM
Time to dust this one down as the new season kicked off last Saturday. Excellent 2-1 win away to Scunthorpe who were playing in the Championship last year. From reports, Leeds struggled somewhat in the first half and then went behind after the break. However great comeback saw Jermaine Beckford re-enact many of last year's matches by getting a late winner. Reports seem to suggest that new signing Robert Snodgrass was very impressive.

Just checked on the latest score in the Carling Cup tonight and Leeds are already 5-1 up after thirty five minutes at Chester. In your face Chester!!   8)

Seriously - this is the first season that I have felt someway optimistic about Leeds in some seven years or more, i.e. no points or money owed to anyone! Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 09:32:23 PM
Leeds will surely win League 1 this year? To reach the playoffs last year with a 15 point deficit AND Dennis Wise to contend with was a great achievement. With McAllister and a level playing field, Leeds should have too much for the other teams.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on August 12, 2008, 09:44:06 PM
Don't forget about Stan though.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 23, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 09:32:23 PM
Leeds will surely win League 1 this year? To reach the playoffs last year with a 15 point deficit AND Dennis Wise to contend with was a great achievement. With McAllister and a level playing field, Leeds should have too much for the other teams.

Hmmm - nothing like Leeds to deflate any optimism one might have. Well beaten at home last week by bogey side Oldham. Then took an early lead at Yeovil today through new signing Luciano Becchio before escaping with a draw! Still - closer to the top than this time last year!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 14, 2008, 04:18:28 PM
Swindon 1 Leeds 3.

Great result considering we were down to 10 men after 7 mins with sheehan sent off. Becks got 2 and kilkenny a 30 yd freekick.

Weve got some amount of goals lately and its great to see. Its looking promising and hope we go on a run.

Happy enough with the start to the season. Doing well in carling cup aswell with hartlepool at home in the 3rd round. It all adds to confidence. Some good young players at leeds now, this delph lad looks class act and in fairness mcallister has bought well in the summer with becchio snodgrass and robinson.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
Agreed that they are beginning to hit a bit of form, but having seen the goals from the Swindon game tonight, (the defending was  :-X for all three), it brought a bit of realism to thoughts of promotion. The thirty yard free kick went straight into the keeper's arms and he somehow let it in. Still, all presents readily accepted!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 20, 2008, 02:42:15 PM
Now that was a seriously decent win - repeat of the win at Brunton Park last May.

I'm beginning to feel optimistic! I'm worried!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 20, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
Three wins on the bounce have taken us to second in the table. We are looking solid at the back, strong in midfield and scoring plenty of goals, so everything looks good at this stage. As long as we hold on to Beckford and Delph when the transfer window comes round, automatic promotion is a reasonable prospect.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on September 20, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 20, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
Three wins on the bounce have taken us to second in the table. We are looking solid at the back, strong in midfield and scoring plenty of goals, so everything looks good at this stage. As long as we hold on to Beckford and Delph when the transfer window comes round, automatic promotion is a reasonable prospect.

Heres hoping.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 06, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
Time to drag this one back into the light of day. Since early November the form has been indifferent to say the least. Played very well in defeat at Derby in the League Cup but had the proverbial nightmare last week at Histon in the FA Cup. The exit from the Cup was of no great significance, but the manner of the defeat was, with the defence being shown up again. Those watching on a regular basis seem to point to the centre of the defence being a real weakness whilst midfield and the attack are showing up quite well.

Having watched the Histon nightmare, I thought it was commendable that Leeds tried to play decent football, on the ground. However I wonder if the need is for artisans rather than artists, i.e. get the sleeves rolled up and get stuck in. It was how Wilkinson got Leeds out of the old second division in 1990 - once in the First Division, he off loaded a number of players who got Leeds there. Either way, I'd like to think Macca has a few ideas up his sleeve when the transfer window opens to strengthen things at the back - otherwise promotion will quickly fade away for another season!   :(    The Tranmere defeat now leaves Leeds nine points off the top, and whilst there is still plenty of time, a poor run would leave Leeds totally out of it!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 06, 2008, 06:16:15 PM
It's been a bad oul run for the last month Rufus - lucky that St. Ita's are keeping me interested in soccer.  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 06, 2008, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 06, 2008, 06:16:15 PM
It's been a bad oul run for the last month Rufus - lucky that St. Ita's are keeping me interested in soccer.  ;)

I hope Boots Og is still knocking them in Billy!   :)
Title: Leeds set about newest initiative to make friends. :)
Post by: Billys Boots on December 23, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
From BBC website:

Grayson appointed Leeds manager   

Leeds United have appointed Simon Grayson as their new manager, the club have confirmed.

The 39-year-old leaves his post as Blackpool boss to take over the League One side, who sacked Gary McAllister on Sunday after five successive defeats.

Blackpool had initially refused Leeds permission to speak to the former Aston Villa defender on Monday.

A statement on the Blackpool website confirms the club are now looking into legal action against Grayson and Leeds.

"Blackpool FC can confirm that Simon Grayson tendered his resignation on Tuesday morning," the statement read.

"The resignation was not accepted by the board of directors and the club and are now considering legal action against both Grayson and Leeds."

The Yorkshireman, who started his career as a Leeds trainee, guided Blackpool to promotion to the Championship in 2007 after two years in charge. 

As a player he made two senior appearances for the Elland Road club, before joining Leicester City in 1992. A £1.3m move to Villa followed five years later.

Grayson was installed as favourite for the Leeds job on Monday ahead of former Leeds coach Aidy Boothroyd and ex-assistant manager Gus Poyet.

Leeds began looking for their ninth manager in the last 10 years after relieving McAllister of his duties a day after his side lost 3-1 to MK Dons.

That was Leeds's seventh defeat in nine matches, a sequence which has seen them slide to ninth in the table, 15 points adrift of leaders Leicester and 11 off the second automatic promotion slot.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on May 14, 2009, 03:11:32 PM
MASSIVE MASSIVE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 14, 2009, 04:13:37 PM
My wee brother's a Leeds fan, and has always talked about heading over. He got 2 tickets for this game there at the weekend.

What a civilised first game to go to!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 14, 2009, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
How many peelers? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 14, 2009, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
How many peelers? 

Quite a few, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 14, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Sadly, we blew it again. We didn't play particuarly well, and Millwall were strong at the back, but the missed penalty was a killer. It drained our confidence, and, even when we did score, we looked a bit vulnerable afterwards. Their goal duly arrived, but all our defenders seemed to freeze when the ball came across the face of the goal.

A  third season in the third division is hard to take, but we should have the right manager now and it must be automatic promotion the next time round. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 14, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 14, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Sadly, we blew it again. We didn't play particuarly well, and Millwall were strong at the back, but the missed penalty was a killer. It drained our confidence, and, even when we did score, we looked a bit vulnerable afterwards. Their goal duly arrived, but all our defenders seemed to freeze when the ball came across the face of the goal.

A  third season in the third division is hard to take, but we should have the right manager now and it must be automatic promotion the next time round. Onwards and upwards.

I was pulling for Leeds because of the like of Rufus and other Leeds supporters on here. I hope that next go round they get the job done, they are too big a club to be languishing in was in effect Division three.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
Cheers for that Stew!

As I wrote elsewhere, that's at least one more year in the wilderness and the dream of the Premiership is as far away as ever.   :'(

It will be at least 2011 before Leeds are back in the top flight - but in reality it could be a decade or more. Leeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

Never felt comfortable with the match itself, even after going one up, and were caught by a sucker punch. Didn't do enough to be honest in the two legs to justify going through. Becchio has come on in leaps and bounds this year, but for all Beckford's goals, he still blows hot and cold.

I still reckon Grayson is a good manager, and with a full season at the helm, I'd be optimistic next year about automatic promotion, although that said, the thought of three relatively big clubs coming down would tend to dampen that optimism somewhat.

There does appear though to be a real need to bounce straight back after relegation, as Leicester showed - those 15 points last year, which cost that automatic second place, still weigh heavily - even now!

B@!!@cks!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on May 15, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Cant see Beckford or Delph staying now thou.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
QuoteLeeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?).  Not convinced by Beckford either, and I'm not sure they'll get much for him.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 15, 2009, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 15, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
QuoteLeeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?).  Not convinced by Beckford either, and I'm not sure they'll get much for him.
In the 5th minute of injury time last night, Leeds needed a goal to force extra time and Beckford is engaging in handbags with a Millwall player in the middle of the park, stinking attitude.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 15, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
QuoteLeeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?). 

Grayson does seem to be a very good manager alright Billy, given his record at Blackpool and how he steadied the Leeds boat this season after coming in at Christmas. He is also a big Leeds fan - I assume he is a local lad, so there would be added incentive to stay and do well.

I could see him getting Leeds up in the next couple of seasons, but I'd be afraid that unless something else happens - new owners with fresh investment - then the Championship is going to be the height of their ambitions. Uncle Ken does not appear to have the resources needed to make a difference.

I don't think it is a coincidence that it seems to be the same group of teams that are bouncing back and forward between the Premiership and the Championship, and I reckon these 'parachute payments' simply put the Birmingham / WBAs / Watfords of this world on a different spending plane from, for example the Plymouth Argyles / Barnsleys / QPRs of this world.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2009, 07:41:24 AM
Disaster, absolutely gutted, just cant believe we didnt get up this yr and form we were in going into the play offs.

With Norwich, Southampton and Charlton coming down it will be even harder next yr.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

But Grayson is a good manager so were in good hands, some Leeds support the other night and gave millwall a clap aswell after the game. We deserve better than L1.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 19, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
QuoteI reckon these 'parachute payments' simply put the Birmingham / WBAs / Watfords

That would indeed appear to be the case Rufus, it means they have the big spending power in the division, and should be able to buy thier way back.  C'mon Burnley. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: town lad on July 19, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
Any off you guys venture to the Oval on Saturday?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 19, 2009, 11:47:46 PM
Quote from: town lad on July 19, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
Any off you guys venture to the Oval on Saturday?

Had thought about going up, but was dependent on a few lads that I know through work going. That fell through and I didn't fancy venturing up on my own.

Heard they won 3-1 - any reports? I know they drew 2-2 with Shelbourne, and he played more or less two teams - Beckford got both those goals!

Have been disappointed to date at the lack of new names coming in! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 01, 2009, 12:17:54 PM
Played 5 won 5, impressive start. Graysons a quality manager, did a great job at Blackpool , we got 8 million for Delph not bad for a player just out of our youth system, looks good player and should make it, hope we keep Beckford today....

we drew Liverpool at home in Carling cup, should get a big crowd..things looking up for us at last.

Stockport at home this weekend.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on September 01, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
Things will only start looking up for Leeds when they are no longer playing teams like Stockport at the weekends
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 22, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
Dirty Leeds heads  ;)

Any of you ever read The Damned United?, picked her up last week, it's not exactly kind to that great Leeds side, enjoyable read but doesn't half portray Brian Clough as a nutter...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 22, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
Theres a movie aswell, have to say i enjoyed both.

Leeds Utd V Liverpool tonight in front of sold out Elland Rd in carling cup, won 7 drew 1 in L1, not a bad start...

Come on Leeds................
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 23, 2009, 08:52:31 AM
Good display last night, glad it didn't go to extra time with an important away game on Saturday.

I've been recommending that book for a long time Dinny, a great read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 23, 2009, 09:15:44 AM
Ya great display last night, jees snoddy and johnson are playing well. Defence looked solid and wing backs were impressive especially crowe, seems to have solved our flanks problem under mcallister. Grayson is top quality manager. Pity we didnt get the win. At least deserved a replay. But all in all looking at the bigger picture it was probably the best end scenario, we can concentrate on the league till FA cup anyhow and we gained alot of confidence. Was impressed at the pace of our attacks and fitness levels and some of our passing was fantastic. MK Dons at the weekend big game. Bring it on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 23, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
Beware the Dons.  Need to get closer to the top and stay there this time.  We don't do play offs well!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
Leeds v Charlton heading for a 39,000 sell out at Elland Road for a League one match thats unreal.

Leeds City Council have agreed to buy thorp arch from a manchester based firm and sale and leasback to Leeds united, great deal and secures our future. We buy it back in 14 yrs. It was sold to pay off our debt a few yrs ago.

So good news all round. Super Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: town lad on October 02, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
It is great to see Leeds on there way back, but as the upper part of the East Stand is not open tomorrow the crowd will be about 32,000. Still great for League 1.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 04:26:49 PM
I read it on the leeds website, said only 1000 tickets left and none on sale on the day and that was it. Not like bates to close the upper tier when he'd sell a fair few. Didnt read that anywhere but have to take your word for it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on November 25, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: cornerback on November 25, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 25, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: stew on November 25, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: cornerback on November 25, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.

Dont forget about your new team Sligo aswell ;)

Great win again last night, looking good this yr. Hopefully the tide has turned. Rough couple of yrs.

But your right, Leeds are cheap now, and the value would sky rocket when we get back to premier. The fanbase cant be matched n league one so wed have more money, the fans stayed loyal, huddersfield crowd will be huge. Even the championship we'd have bigger crowds than most. Huge potential. No debts but sold the thorp arch and elland rd but have buy back priority.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2009, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 25, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: stew on November 25, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: cornerback on November 25, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.

Dont forget about your new team Sligo aswell ;)

Great win again last night, looking good this yr. Hopefully the tide has turned. Rough couple of yrs.

But your right, Leeds are cheap now, and the value would sky rocket when we get back to premier. The fanbase cant be matched n league one so wed have more money, the fans stayed loyal, huddersfield crowd will be huge. Even the championship we'd have bigger crowds than most. Huge potential. No debts but sold the thorp arch and elland rd but have buy back priority.

No can do Sligonian, I would stick ten mil into an academy in Armagh for the development of our players, the rest would be spent buying a golf course in Florida or Spain or somewhere. Nine months abroad and three months in Ireland sounds good to me.  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 03, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
yeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

what a result what a result :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Super Leeds
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2010, 03:03:25 PM
Some performance from them. Will that be Beckford's last game? Linked with Newcastle and alot of Championship clubs will be after him now in January as he's out of contract in summer.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 03, 2010, 03:06:38 PM
He was the best striker on show today. Newcastle will not get him cheap if the rest of the forwards on show is anything to go by. How much was Berbatov?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
Jees all the pain of the last few yrs, all came out of me today and were banished to the past, even with better leeds teams thats the first time ive seen leeds win at old trafford....what a day.........ecstatic.....we are on the up for sure...

Leeds till I die...marching on together,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Oh Yes, Oh Yes!!!

Absolutely treeeeeeeemendous!!!!   

I'm absolutely elated after that, and Sir's interview was the icing on the cake!!   :-*
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Oh Yes, Oh Yes!!!

Absolutely treeeeeeeemendous!!!!   

I'm absolutely elated after that, and Sir's interview was the icing on the cake!!   :-*

are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Why don't you go back to the start of the thread you just posted on?    ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Why don't you go back to the start of the thread you just posted on?    ::)

fair enough so
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 03, 2010, 05:50:46 PM
Nice start to the year.  ;D

Beckford's mad if he thinks he has a better future away from that team. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on January 03, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Lads, I'll apologise in advance for Spurs bringing you back to reality! ;D

Still the top flight isn't the same without you and on to-day's performance it'll not be long till you're back where you belong. ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 03, 2010, 08:49:47 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 03, 2010, 05:50:46 PM
Nice start to the year.  ;D

Beckford's mad if he thinks he has a better future away from that team.

It depeds on who gets him and what weekly wage he'd be on. He would be mad to leave.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 04, 2010, 10:01:58 AM
I understand that Leeds are going to make him a daft offer too in the next few weeks.  Ray Ransom must be rubbing his mitts in glee.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 04, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 03, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Lads, I'll apologise in advance for Spurs bringing you back to reality! ;D

Still the top flight isn't the same without you and on to-day's performance it'll not be long till you're back where you belong. ;)

if leeds perform like they did v united they should have no problem knocking spurs out too, after all a full spurs team couldn't even beat uniteds 2nd team in the carling cup a few weeks ago
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
The visit to Spurs will be another glamour game, and it was a bit striking that we were the last team out of the hat for the second draw in a row, but it does not really matter if we lose. The priority was always automatic promotion, and the triumph at Old Trafford proved that we are a club which deserves to be in the top grade. It was probably our best performance since the Champions League days of 00/01, and possibly our best away league result since the 91/92 championship season. Beckford going would be a blow, but it is much more important to keep Grayson
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2010, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm

They will probably be in the same division next season so he is as well where he is.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 11, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
He's quoted in tonights Yorkshire Evening Post that he is definately not leaving and his ideal situation is the prem with Leeds!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:44:41 PM
hope he stays where he is

Leeds are on the up and long term would be a better bet than Burnley
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 11, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2010, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm

They will probably be in the same division next season so he is as well where he is.

Spot on.  I think he would be mad to move now,  Leeds will be in the Championship next season and will be relishing it, he is best off staying.  Now if he could only get Beckford to stay.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 23, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
Super Leeds Great result, great performance again,

Full House Elland Road to look forward too, Marching on Together...........need to pick it up again in the league aswell though,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 23, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
ha ha good man yourself Sligonian

not sure about that penalty at the end but hey Leeds deserved at least a Replay, Beckford looked as good as any of the Spurs strikers today says a lot really!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
well done Leeds, they fought till the last and earned a moneyspinning replay against the Spurs.

I am happy for the leeds heads on here, that team is showing they have what it takes to compete with the big boys.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: clarshack on January 23, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 24, 2010, 02:21:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on January 23, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.

when Man United were relegated in 1974 they were still getting some of the biggest crowds in England!

Everyone know's Liverpool &  Man United are the two biggest named clubs in England & maybe the world, having Genuine Fan's sticking by them will never be a problem

Better to Compare Leeds with Man city they also dropped two divisions & the hardcore fan's remained
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 24, 2010, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 23, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
Super Leeds Great result, great performance again,

Full House Elland Road to look forward too, Marching on Together...........need to pick it up again in the league aswell though,

Am seriously worried about the important job getting done - getting promoted; this shite gets another 10 days run, and a trip to Carlisle midweek for the Daf Trucks whatyamacallit before another tough fixture against Colchester on Saturday.  And Norwich have gone top.  Jaysus.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 26, 2010, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 24, 2010, 06:08:13 PM

Am seriously worried about the important job getting done - getting promoted; this shite gets another 10 days run, and a trip to Carlisle midweek for the Daf Trucks whatyamacallit before another tough fixture against Colchester on Saturday.  And Norwich have gone top.  Jaysus.

Agreed Billy - I share your worries which, after tonight, have now multiplied tenfold. It would appear that this Cup run is becoming too much of a distraction - Leeds have had a couple of great Cup nights - time now to bid it good-bye before the primary aim of the season disappears in a puff of smoke!   >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: muppet on January 26, 2010, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 24, 2010, 02:21:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on January 23, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.

when Man United were relegated in 1974 they were still getting some of the biggest crowds in England!

Everyone know's Liverpool &  Man United are the two biggest named clubs in England & maybe the world, having Genuine Fan's sticking by them will never be a problem

Better to Compare Leeds with Man city they also dropped two divisions & the hardcore fan's remained

Yea but they didn't even notice.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 31, 2010, 07:43:27 AM
Back in Business in the League thankfully :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 01, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
Hopefully the cup distraction will be over this week.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 30, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
A while since this one has seen the light of day, and boy have things taken a turn for the worse in the interim. I'd be very interested to see a league table for Division One based solely on points won in 2010 - I'd hazard a guess Leeds would be in relegation trouble. As of now though, Norwich look to have the league wrapped up, and it's all to play for as regards the second automatic promotion spot. I do not fancy another go at the play offs, but at the minute it is looking likely.

Anyway - a few rambling thoughts.

With each passing (bad) result, the following match becomes even more important - into that category comes the Swindon match on Saturday - lose that, and the likelihood is that Leeds will be in fourth place come Saturday night - the first time outside the top two since August. I have little basis for my optimism, but I can see Leeds turning Swindon over on Saturday, and getting the season back on track. The performance against Norwich was very promising and Leeds were somewhat unlucky to go down to a late goal. The loss of Patrick Kisnorbo though (in the Millwall game) to an achilles injury is a real body blow.

There are also rumours of rows between Grayson and Beckford - some have explained Beckford's absence for the Millwall game as the result of this - but as of now I would be playing him regardless - he'll be off into the sunset in a short space of time anyway.

If Leeds can beat Swindon on Saturday, and win at Yeovil on Monday (live on Sky), then I'd be a lot more hopeful. The one daunting fixture on the horizon is the trip to Charlton on the second last day of the season - I would not like to be depending on a win there for automatic promotion. Still all to play for! Come on Leeds!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 30, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
A while since this one has seen the light of day, and boy have things taken a turn for the worse in the interim. I'd be very interested to see a league table for Division One based solely on points won in 2010 - I'd hazard a guess Leeds would be in relegation trouble. As of now though, Norwich look to have the league wrapped up, and it's all to play for as regards the second automatic promotion spot. I do not fancy another go at the play offs, but at the minute it is looking likely.

Anyway - a few rambling thoughts.

With each passing (bad) result, the following match becomes even more important - into that category comes the Swindon match on Saturday - lose that, and the likelihood is that Leeds will be in fourth place come Saturday night - the first time outside the top two since August. I have little basis for my optimism, but I can see Leeds turning Swindon over on Saturday, and getting the season back on track. The performance against Norwich was very promising and Leeds were somewhat unlucky to go down to a late goal. The loss of Patrick Kisnorbo though (in the Millwall game) to an achilles injury is a real body blow.

There are also rumours of rows between Grayson and Beckford - some have explained Beckford's absence for the Millwall game as the result of this - but as of now I would be playing him regardless - he'll be off into the sunset in a short space of time anyway.

If Leeds can beat Swindon on Saturday, and win at Yeovil on Monday (live on Sky), then I'd be a lot more hopeful. The one daunting fixture on the horizon is the trip to Charlton on the second last day of the season - I would not like to be depending on a win there for automatic promotion. Still all to play for! Come on Leeds!!   :)
Depressed with Leeds at the minute, heard the same on beckford/Grayson....its going to be hard to get going again and winnings a habit, so you know Play offs beckons IMO. Swindon will be tough.... anyways Leeds till I die.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 31, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
Never say die lads. We have been on a dreadful run but we are still in the top two and by all accounts Norwich was our best performance for months. If we can manage a win at home to Swindon, the remaining fixtures before the trip to Charlton look reasonable on paper. Saturday is a huge day so bring it on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 31, 2010, 09:14:17 AM
I'm very fearful - they can turn it on for the big games, but are sadly lacking in the humdrum fixtures.  A normal end-of-season beckons, sadly.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on April 03, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
Leeds have gone to the dogs since their FA Cup exploits. 3-0 down at home to Swindon today which puts Swindon into 2nd place and Leeds drop to 4th.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 03, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on April 03, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
Leeds have gone to the dogs since their FA Cup exploits. 3-0 down at home to Swindon today which puts Swindon into 2nd place and Leeds drop to 4th.

Down to fourth, and level on points with fifth placed Charlton. There is a gap of six points to Huddersfield and Colchester in sixth and seventh, and bearing in mind that seventh is outside the play offs, there would be now a real danger of missing out totally - although given their current form, I'm not sure it matters much!!  :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on April 03, 2010, 05:27:43 PM
Thought Leeds were home and dry at Xmas. Surely another season in the third division (can't get my head round this Premier, Championship,League One crap) will be too much for a loyal support to take
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2010, 05:58:40 PM
Don't worry Tony, the Leeds support will still be there regardless, but the recent decline has been incredible. I honestly thought we would beat Swindon today and get the show back on the road for the run-in, but we are going from bad to worse. That is four defeats on the bounce, with seven conceded and none scored. It would have been almost impossble to allow the sale of Beckford after he got the winner at Old Trafford, but his goals have dried up since then and no one else can seem to step up to the plate. While Grayson had a fine start to his time at Elland Road, his record with loan players lately looks very questionable.  Leeds have made play-offs on four occasions, going back to 1987, without ever managing to secure promotion. A fifth attempt, assuming we actually stay in the top six, would strain the nerve ends.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 05, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.

Agree with that - should have been out of sight after twenty minutes of the second half, but one stupid mistale let Yeovil back in and then you could sense the mental fragility. Gradel was excellent, but Naylor for me was Leeds best player - not just the two goals, but the way he dominated when Yeovil were throwing everything in to the penalty area at the end.

If Leeds can take heart from this, there is no reason why any of the remaining fixtures are not winnable. Both Millwall and Swindon have difficult fixtures to come, and indeed still have to play each other.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 06, 2010, 12:29:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 05, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.

Agree with that - should have been out of sight after twenty minutes of the second half, but one stupid mistale let Yeovil back in and then you could sense the mental fragility. Gradel was excellent, but Naylor for me was Leeds best player - not just the two goals, but the way he dominated when Yeovil were throwing everything in to the penalty area at the end.

If Leeds can take heart from this, there is no reason why any of the remaining fixtures are not winnable. Both Millwall and Swindon have difficult fixtures to come, and indeed still have to play each other.

I worry about the defence, it Doyles mistake for the goal but Naylor was poor defending the shot, he never got close enough and opened his legs in the tackle which is no-no. Yeovil put feck all pressure on Leeds and we looked like panicking, that scares me. The next 3 fixtures look good on paper so hopefully we'll kick on. Beckford annoyed me today, didnt work half as hard as gradel imo and thats not on. I thought Howson was very poor aswell, and defensively Doyle and Kilkenny left alot to be desired. PLayed better football, but Leeds need to score 3 goals a game nearly to win as I think we'lll concede. I like Grayson to be honest, hope he sorts the defence out more though.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2010, 11:08:35 AM
If leeds finish 3rd and end up in the play offs - get all your money on huddersfield to dump them out in the semi final!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 13, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
3 wins in a row and back to second with Millwall drawing.

This second place is a rollercoaster at the minute. 4 games to go.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 14, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
Away to Gillingham on Saturday - must win.  Then home to MK Dons.  Then the crucial game - away to Charlton on May 1st.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Big Result for Leeds tonight as form team Millwall are starting to stutter, theyve lost to Huddersfield tonight. Great result for us, hoefully tomorrow we may open a 4pt gap to them.

Remember Millwall v Swindon is last game and ours is Bristol Rovers at home. Charlton away is huge. Cmon Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2010, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Big Result for Leeds tonight as form team Millwall are starting to stutter, theyve lost to Huddersfield tonight. Great result for us, hoefully tomorrow we may open a 4pt gap to them.

Remember Millwall v Swindon is last game and ours is Bristol Rovers at home. Charlton away is huge. Cmon Leeds.

Watched the match tonight, roaring on the Terriers. IF Leeds can beat the Gills, then a serious opportunity presents itself. Charlton play Norwich tomorrow, so obviously points will be dropped there. Win tomorrow and Leeds are four clear over Millwall with three to play - call me optimistic, but I'm hoping the Charlton game won't matter!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 17, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
The Leeds revival came to an abrupt halt today, although at least we showed some fight by coming back from three down away to Gillingham after just over half an hour by pulling it back to 3-2 by the end. However, other results over the weekend went very well for us as, of our three main rivals for the final automatic promotion slot, Swindon only drew at home while Charlton and Millwall both lost. We are still holding on to second place by a single point, but we will still definitely go up if we can somehow win our last three games. This is going to be a big sweat.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
Im watching the Leeds game live on here

http://www.firstrow.net/watch/17574/1/watch-charlton-athletic-vs-leeds-united.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
It's all down to the last game now, which we would have taken at the start of the season and looked a remote prospect only a month ago. Elland Road is a 38,000 sell-out, which sometimes piles the pressure on the players, but Bristol Rovers have nothing to play for. There is an outside chance that a draw would do, but surely with automatic promotion guarenteed for a win we will finally get out of this division. While you can never be sure with Leeds, it is a fantastic opportunity.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
Disappointed we didnt get the goal last sat, grayson had 5 strikers on at the end trying to win it, as we knew tranmere were winning it was the right thing to do, but we got caught pushing too many forward, we played well in patches, and created some clearcut chances.

Huge pressure on Leeds on sat, one of the biggest games in our history imo, we have to get out of that division. 39,000 sell out, hope they roar the lads on to victory. Will try my best to watch it, and hope someone streams it on the net.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on May 05, 2010, 07:13:01 PM
It's Funny how Football works, in 2001 on 8th of May Leeds were playing in the Champions league semi final knowing a win or a score draw would get them to the Final! 9 years on a win here on the same day will get them back in the Championship on the Road to recovery


   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 05, 2010, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 05, 2010, 07:13:01 PM
It's Funny how Football works, in 2001 on 8th of May Leeds were playing in the Champions league semi final knowing a win or a score draw would get them to the Final! 9 years on a win here on the same day will get them back in the Championship on the Road to recovery

Poor money management have them in this prediciment but I tell you this, a savvy investor could make millions on the buying of leeds, they are a sleeping giant and if they get promoted they will greatly enhance the coffers of many's a championship side.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 05, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 05, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 05, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.

His grip would loosen if they got promoted, he would get a ton more than he put in and I am sure he would like to see the club have the resources to get to the next level after that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 05, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.

He paid 10 million for Leeds and we would of went down under only for him. In fairness hes got us debt free (although we dont own the Elland rd or thorp arch) we have buy back arrangements though, and the support is still there, Leeds had 65,000 at the play off league 1 final with doncaster and thousands didnt get tickets. Also leeds has qualified as one of the staduims for the 2018 world cup bid for england, and plans for hotel at the ground and capacity increase to 51,000 are planned but we need to get back to the premiership.

He sold Chelsea and left them in good shape, its all about finding the right buyer, also hes getting older and he lives in monaco so he pass it on. I met him once outside elland rd and he is a bit of a obnoxious git even to leeds fans.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 05, 2010, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
He sold Chelsea and left them in good shape,

Not sure about that Sligonian - only Abramovich (sp) came in, Chelsea were going the same way as Leeds - unfortunately west London was more appealing to him than West Yorkshire.

To be honest, there's part of me feels strangely relaxed about it, i.e. if Leeds don't beat Bristol Rovers at home on Saturday, then they don't deserve to go up...........I probably won't be feeling like that though come Saturday afternoon!!!!!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 06, 2010, 09:25:49 AM
Yep, I'll be relaxed for the afternoon on Saturday too - as Rufus says, if they can't do the business on the day, they shouldn't be going up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on May 06, 2010, 10:40:46 AM
Just to get you in the mood ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wweh3ROiqWI

Get it done ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on May 08, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Well done Leeds, Football needs you back in the big time

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 08, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
delighted to see leeds up but feel so sorry for gillingham. they nearly made the premiership a few years ago if i remember right
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
Well i watched that game in full, Im so proud of the leeds players, down to 10 men and 1-0 down, and to comeback, absolutley exctatic....played great stuff when the chips were down.

My legs were shaking i was so nervous for the last 15mins

lets go fking mental

Super Leeds

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
Super(ish) Leeds back in the big(ish) time. They hate Man Yoo so they can't be bad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AFS on May 08, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
Hardy and the boys won't like those scenes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
SUPER LEEDS UNITED

8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 08, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Fair play to leeds - certaintly did it the hard way today!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Sligo getting promoted,

Leeds getting promoted,

Knocking man u out of the FA Cup at old trafford,

Its been a good 2010 for me so far  8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
If you watch the keepers throw again, beckford got his head on it, which took the power out of it.

Beckfords disallowed goal was a fcking ridiculuos decision as clear as day came to him from there defender. I though gradel was unlucky enough to be sent off. I though we were fcked then, as we missed a few chances and looked to be feeling  the pressure.

Huge blow at start of 2nd half when they scored, I was sitting there pretty certain we wouldnt come back. Then howson came on and made big impact. Leeds played a high risk game, and attacked like there lives depended on it (it probably did) and then johnson missed a grat chance and then howson took his chance well outside the box. We kept it up and there keeper threw the ball, becks got the top of his head to it and it sat up well for johnson and then deflected off the defender to becks who finished well. Bromby hit the post late on from a header and we just about hung on.

Im a big fan of Grayson, he his way ahead of any of our recent mangers, so im delighted for him. He came down a division to manage us and left blackpool in good shape. Its hard to know now how we will do, we better defence imo, Kinsorbo was prob our best but he got injured. Im not a huge fan of doyle and kilkenny in the centre of midfield so I hope we strengthen there. I rate snodgrass highly but he seems to have lost form which is a worry.  Will Beckford stay now? I doubt it so we to strengthen there aswell.

Great day for Leeds, and we need to kick on now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 09, 2010, 02:35:17 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
If you watch the keepers throw again, beckford got his head on it, which took the power out of it.

Beckfords disallowed goal was a fcking ridiculuos decision as clear as day came to him from there defender. I though gradel was unlucky enough to be sent off. I though we were fcked then, as we missed a few chances and looked to be feeling  the pressure.

Huge blow at start of 2nd half when they scored, I was sitting there pretty certain we wouldnt come back. Then howson came on and made big impact. Leeds played a high risk game, and attacked like there lives depended on it (it probably did) and then johnson missed a grat chance and then howson took his chance well outside the box. We kept it up and there keeper threw the ball, becks got the top of his head to it and it sat up well for johnson and then deflected off the defender to becks who finished well. Bromby hit the post late on from a header and we just about hung on.

Im a big fan of Grayson, he his way ahead of any of our recent mangers, so im delighted for him. He came down a division to manage us and left blackpool in good shape. Its hard to know now how we will do, we better defence imo, Kinsorbo was prob our best but he got injured. Im not a huge fan of doyle and kilkenny in the centre of midfield so I hope we strengthen there. I rate snodgrass highly but he seems to have lost form which is a worry.  Will Beckford stay now? I doubt it so we to strengthen there aswell.

Great day for Leeds, and we need to kick on now.

I am delighted for all the leeds heads on her, especially Rufus, leeds are coming back from the darkest days in their history and i hope the go out and strengthen the squad, they are back within touching distance of where they belong, in top flight English football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on May 09, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
Congrats to all the Leeds heads on here.......brings the memories back.....The Scarborough Taps and waitng for the train to arrive with the opposition supporters......overturning cars in Beeston.....ah those were the days ;)

Hope they build on it for next season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 09:29:34 AM
Quote of the Week:

"Why has it been so difficult?" Leeds manager Simon Grayson was asked on Thursday.

"It's Leeds United," was his reply.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 10, 2010, 09:49:14 AM
Well done Dirty Leeds. One step closer.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Ya my Dad told me that, but cant see LUFC getting rid of Grayson. Hope its false.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Ya my Dad told me that, but cant see LUFC getting rid of Grayson. Hope its false.

From what he said (see above) last week, I'd have thought it was inevitable that he'd had enough of the, ahem, Yorkshire way. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
From what Cascarino was saying it was more  a case of Bates not being happy with how Leeds went in the second half of the season
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 02:21:49 PM
You reckon Kenny-boy could 'convince' Roy Hodgson or Alan Curbishly to ply their trade in the West Riding?  Ay caramba!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 18, 2010, 10:47:07 AM
Bet you are all missing the excitement of the play offs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on May 31, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
Beckford away to Everton.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 31, 2010, 02:13:39 PM
I'm not entirely sure he'll be missed.  But sure he'll get his chance now to show us all how brilliant he has been telling us he is. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 31, 2010, 02:52:01 PM
We signed Casper Smeichel from Notts County last week, he got league 2 player of the yr. Good signing imo.

Grayson had a hard job managing beckford in the 2nd half of the season, he didnt turn up for training which saw him dropped for a game, his best performances were for his own gain, because he was trying to get a transfer away. Grayson pulled a great move giving him the ego boost before bristol by giving him the captains armband to ensure he was motivated and it worked. I'll not miss him much if we can replace his goals.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 31, 2010, 02:13:39 PM
I'm not entirely sure he'll be missed.  But sure he'll get his chance now to show us all how brilliant he has been telling us he is.

Agreed Billy. I honestly think he will struggle in the top flight, but I'll be interested to see him play against the top defences. Good luck to him anyway - his goals got Leeds up and that's the most important thing - for what it's worth, as a Leeds supporter, I've no issue with him moving on!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Cde on May 31, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 31, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on June 01, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 31, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?


Tony Currie ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 01, 2010, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on June 01, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 31, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?


Tony Currie ;)

:D  Respect Hedley!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 07, 2010, 12:06:58 PM
Not a bad game (for the neutral) to start the season off.

Be nice to Nigel now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on August 07, 2010, 12:22:58 PM
Have to say im disappointed with Graysons buys, he seems to think paynter will replace beckford, which i think is ludocrious, but hope im wrong. I thought he'd go for bigger names. Pity he didnt get eustace who was brilliant for watford last night. Snodgrass is injured, Gradel is suspended and Kinorsbo is njured, so hopefuly the new lads will have gelled.

Great to be back in the championship, never thought i have to say those words. Derby today at 5.15 live on BBC, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: spuds on August 07, 2010, 06:12:27 PM
Leeds 1    2 Derby
 
half time
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on August 07, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
Kasper Schmeichel was outstanding today can't say the same about Leeds as they will have to improve on today's performance
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 07, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 07, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
Kasper Schmeichel was outstanding today can't say the same about Leeds as they will have to improve on today's performance

Spot on. A result that probably points to the fact that anything beyond retaining Championship status will be a bonus. I would hope Billy Paynter will bring goals, as Becchio, for all his heart, is limited in the extreme. Patrick Kisnorbo and Snodgrass would also add to the team big time. Keeper was brilliant - a real plus point.

All in all, a very enjoyable match, if a disappointing result!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 24, 2010, 11:18:53 PM
What it is to be a Leeds supporter - nabbed from Boards.ie - thanks to Mushy. This is a hoot if you have the inclination to read it!!

I blame Mark. I'd never left a Leeds match early until I started going with him.

'Another one goes in and I'm off', he says, or 'If it's still three nil with ten to go I'll see you in the boozer'.

And on occasions I've followed him. I've not done it very often and it's a pet hate to see fans leave early but I have done it. And it's wasn't to get a flyer out of the car park or to catch an earlier train but to escape whatever torture was being dished up on the pitch. How many times have I done it? Five maybe? And always with Mark. So, as I said, I blame him.

November 2003 and Leeds United were going through 'a period of transition', 'a feet-finding mission', 'a rebuilding exercise' if you will. In other words we were ****. Manager, Peter Reid had cobbled together a team from late summer deals, remnants of David O'Leary and Terry Venables' previous endeavours and a Frenchmen called Cyril. Instantly forgettable recruits included the likes of Lamine Sakho, Zoumana Camara and Roque Junior. The latter, we seemed to be constantly reminded, was a World Cup winner for Brazil. However, what was never really apparent was the sport at which he was victorious. Rarely have I seen a defender so clearly out of his depth and comfort zone who fast-tracked incompetence to unprecedented levels. We were fighting for our Premiership lives and clearly losing the battle. And so to Portsmouth away.

It felt like the build up to a funeral, standing around and waiting for the coffin to arrive.

The previous Saturday we'd lost 4-1 at home to eventual champions, the invincible Arsenal team. An expected defeat perhaps but surely at Portsmouth we could get something and improve on our meagre eight points. Leading up to kick off there had been a power cut. Fratton Park was cast in early winter semi-darkness with only occasional cigarettes being lit providing brief moments of illumination. With no power, this meant no public address system and no music. It felt strangely subdued and the crowd were in the dark all round as to what was happening. Once 3pm had come and gone the sporadic singing of both sets of fans died away replaced by a gentle buzz of chatter in the cold gloom. It felt like the build up to a funeral, standing around and waiting for the coffin to arrive.

The kick off came eventually and within sixteen minutes Leeds were a goal down. Alan Smith equalised two minutes later but this was to be just a stay of execution. With Roque Junior (a World Cup winner, you know) proving to be as desperately inept in midfield as he was at the back, we were continually carved apart and on the stroke of half time Portsmouth made it 2-1. Early in the second half 3-1 soon followed. Hayden Foxe, a player I can only describe as having the mobility of a large wardrobe and who would later sign for us, swivelled to crack home a volley and make it four. It was too much. My mate, Mark, grunted something and we turned and shuffled away in silence. Up the terrace, down the steps, through the gates and away from Leeds United. We walked to Fratton Station in silence, with heads down and hands deep in pockets. The only sound was the Pompey crowd, cheering and chanting. Another roar meant another goal and another bullet to the heart. We stood on the train platform with one or two others and yet another cheer went up, 6-1. I gazed towards the stadium where I had stood a few minutes earlier. No 'Useless bastards' was spat, no 'let's write this one off' – we were going down and we knew it.

The journey back north seemed endless. I walked into the house and took a can of lager from the fridge, went upstairs and stared out of the window into the night. Then tears filled my eyes; a reaction I'd not anticipated. It was relegation we were staring at, not an imminent death for God's sake! I hadn't even realised that I could raise such emotion for Leeds. I thought back to 1982 and West Brom away, the last time Leeds were relegated. I didn't go to the game but listened on the radio as we slipped to defeat and into the Second Division. The next day at school we had PE as the first lesson of the day, followed by Music. I went though the motions with little physical exertion, got showered and changed and trudged sombrely to the music room. Kids, mostly mates gathered at the windows awaiting my arrival. I saw them laughing and pointing as they scurried back to their desks upon seeing me. I walked into the classroom and on a supposed given cue; the music teacher struck the piano keys. He played jauntily and loud and the kids sang along, 'Going down, going down, going down, going down, going down, going do – own...' I stood in the doorway with wet hair and an Adidas sports bag while they all chanted at me. I didn't buckle and waited until they'd finished, sat at my desk and took my books out. Twenty one years later and I think of it again. The hurt inside. I'm in my house staring out of the window with a drink in my hand and I'm twelve years old sitting at a desk in the music room. Once again Leeds were going down, going down, going down and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I finished my beer and went to bed hoping to wake up five years later.

Two years have passed and I'm on a train going to watch Leeds at Southampton. It was our second season down and despite going into the game in the dizzy position of fourth, things were not going quite to plan. We hadn't taken maximum points from any of the previous five matches and the football being played was approaching and often beyond dreadful. The manager, Kevin Blackwell, when questioned on our form, continued to trot out his stock statements of how, when he had arrived at the club there was only him, Gary Kelly and the tea lady on the staff. It was true that following relegation and financial mismanagement the squad had been wearing thin but so were his excuses. With Kelly in the team at St.Mary's that day was Paul Butler. Most teams have at some point employed the services of players who can best be described as a BRB (Big Rough Bastard). Think Micky Droy, Larry Lloyd, Sam Allardyce and so on. These are players who are there to stop others. Players who are not blessed with the finer nuances of the beautiful game perhaps. Paul Butler was our BRB. This man had somehow contrived to become internationally recognised for the art of stopping, albeit a single cap for Eire. He was cumbersome. He was a liability. He was ****. It was said that Butler was actually running the show behind the scenes so I'll blame him for how poor we were at the time.

After traditional liquid refreshment I took my position in the ground with fellow seasoned away travellers, Mark and Smurf. So what delights were we about to be regally spoilt with? Would it be the nonchalant passing of previous Leeds v Southampton encounters, with the Whites carving the hapless Saints to ribbons or would we be playing with the swagger, style and beauty of Brazil 1970 or the Dutch team that followed?

'I'll tek a ****ing draw now', said Mark.

Southampton were kind to us and sportingly waited until the twenty seventh minute to score their first. Theo Walcott ripped through us and two more goals followed with Leeds offering little resistance – three-nil down. Around me, people were shaking their heads both bemused and amused. It was as bad as it had ever been and nothing could get us out of it. Blackwell's position was discussed amongst the faithful; formations weren't working, players were out of position and there seemed to be no leadership. We couldn't defend, we couldn't attack and we couldn't create. It wasn't a case of where was the next win was coming from but where was the next goal? Mark thought long and hard about the dismal display of Leeds United as the last player left the field at half-time with the boos raining down. He bit his bottom lip and reflected on what he'd witnessed. This was a man of reason but also a champion ranter when given a suitable platform. But he was quiet. Thoughtful. What wrathful disdain was about to be ejected or would it be an optimistic rallying cry for the downtrodden troops? Here it comes. A glance round the ground, eyes narrowing, deep breath, lips apart...

'Pint?'

He looked hopefully at me and Smurf. This was new territory. I was a fledgling member of 'the early getaway club' and a reluctant one at that. A half-time departure had never been mentioned on the application form. A couple of minutes from the end when getting hammered and drenched maybe but HALF TIME? This needed careful consideration and reasoned judgement. A whole new ball game you might say.

'Aye', I replied, '**** it'.

We itched along the row of seats and under the stand. Smurf followed, seemingly eager too for solace in alcohol. At the heavy red gates I turned and he was ten yards behind looking perplexed.

'Where you off?' he asked

'Pub'

'I thought you meant a drink in here. I'll pass ta...'

Mark and I walked out of the ground with Smurf's last words tapping away at our shoulders – '... owt could happen'.

We hurried through the damp streets back towards the city centre. It felt wrong to be leaving a ground where Leeds were still playing but as long-time sufferers we'd seen it all before. Why should we stay? For the thousandth time we'd got up at a daft time to travel two hundred miles only to be treated to clueless, directionless football. We were being embarrassed, AGAIN. We were being outfought, AGAIN. We were about to get tonked, AGAIN. And so we trotted on.

As the Guinness started to kick in I didn't feel quite so bad any more at not being there.

This was no Portsmouth 6-1 and we chatted and joked and laughed at the spectacle we'd witnessed, almost revelling in how poor it had been. Walking into the pub we were met by twenty or so more like-minded Leeds fans, fellow early risers and complainants. All were laughing and drinking. There was nothing else you could do. But I felt uneasy, this wasn't right, I shouldn't have been there. I should have been back at the ground taking the defeat on the chin. What did the song say about up and downs and staying with Leeds forever? I felt detached as I drank my pint. The TV was on and a glance up confirmed that it was still 3-0 with twenty minutes to go. That would be a reasonably respectable score on reflection. Then, as I was still watching, the score changed and my phone vibrated with an incoming text. It was from Smurf. Butler, the BRB, had made it 3-1. A consolation goal. This was definite respectability now. As the Guinness started to kick in I didn't feel quite so bad any more at not being there. Okay, I'd missed a goal but I was in a warm pub on a cold day watching the scores whilst chatting and relaxing.

Soon after, my phone buzzed again. I looked at it and my eyes widened in a slight panic. Robbie Blake had scored for Leeds – it was now 3-2 with thirteen minutes to go.

I forgot everything about warm pubs and cold days and stared at Mark, 'If we ****ing score again...' but I was shot down.

'We won't though, we're Leeds. There's more chance of me shagging the Pope.'

Mark was right. Both scenarios were highly unlikely. We'd staged comebacks before; the 4-3 wins at home to Derby and Liverpool for example, but these were at Elland Road in front of big noisy crowds, not at the other end of the country in the pissing rain. I kept on glancing at the TV, selfishly hoping for full-time and the match report, 'Southampton 3 Leeds 2 – a spirited fightback was thwarted by stout home defending', or 'A respectable effort by Leeds but they couldn't quite conjure up the all important equalizer. A third goal was to prove a bridge too...' On the table my phone vibrated again. I couldn't look. I daren't. But I had to. Deep breath. Oh my good God, we'd just equalised. I felt empty as I raised my eyes from the text and told Mark the news and then how I was never listening to him again. David Healy had come off the sub's bench and scored with an eighty-fourth minute penalty. This was bittersweet. I could only imagine the scenes in the Leeds end as fans tumbled over seats where I'd been sat, hugged each other and looked to the heavens.

I think I was still going on and on about the fact that I'd never left a match early before I'd met him to Mark when Smurf's next text came in. Misspelt but clearly readable, it informed me that not only had Liam Miller now made it 4-3 to Leeds but that 'WERE OFF FUKIN MENTL!'

I smiled, I had no option, and showed the phone to my disbelieving mate, took a long draw on my pint and declared, 'We are never, ever, EVER, going to live this ****er down'.

How could they do it? How could Leeds possibly do this to me? The years of dedication I'd given them at home, away and in Europe. The credit card bills I'd racked up, the weddings I'd missed, the sickies I'd pulled – and this is how they reward me...by winning! The bastards.

The result came up on the screen and a pub half full of Leeds fans could only shake their heads, or smile, or cry. The choice was ours. I was a victim of cliché as my jaw genuinely dropped and I was rendered speechless. I wanted the next match now. I wanted today to be five matches ago. I wanted it to be 'Can you remember when Leeds came back to win 4-3 at Southampton?' and I say, 'God, that was some years ago now'. I dreaded the next few days. What was I possibly going to say when people ask how it was? Does it make up for all the bad times? Was it worth all the effort of getting there now? What the **** would I say? 'Well actually I left at half-time because my tit of a mate said let's go to the boozer', But I was the tit because I'd followed him and as a consequence had missed probably Leeds' greatest ever comeback for the sake of a few extra pints.

I woke up on the train fifteen minutes from home and checked my phone; twenty odd texts and numerous missed calls. I deleted them all and did what I knew I couldn't put off any longer. The truth had to come out sooner or later. I typed a text, 'Left at half time, missed all goals' and sent it to everyone I could think of and turned the phone off. I thought of them all reading the message and saying. 'I don't believe it, what a dick'. So, in the following days I faced the backlash. Ridicule came in droves and I deserved every bit of it. No one let up – and why should they? I'd do the same to anyone else in that situation.

My wife, my work colleagues, my mates, the postman, in fact anyone who had spent more than eight seconds in my company seemed to rise up as one to rip the complete piss out of me. It was a long few days but the worst was yet to come. The Tuesday night after the fiasco, Leeds were at home to Burnley. I dreaded going into my usual home match pub but the inevitable had to be done and so I swallowed what minute speck of pride remained and opened the door. I did so just as Mark, the Pied Piper to my rat, was entering too. I knew we had to face the music but this was to be the London Philharmonic as, gathered in the corner, were all the lads we knew who'd stayed at half time and not thrown in the beer towel. They'd had their 'ups and downs' and they'd 'marched on together' while I'd been asking 'for another in there and whatever he's having'. A cheer went up when we were spotted and the insults came thick and fast. All I could see were mouths moving at a hundred miles per hour as they fought to be heard over each other. 'Knobs' was one frequently-used word, 'tits' another and a fair few 'dickheads' were offered. None of these I could refute as being anything but the truth. We stood there taking the lot and other drinkers started sniggering and shaking their heads when they realised what we'd done. Everyone was mocking, even the bar staff.

Then I abandoned any loyalty I had, any 'We'll see it through together, mate', and stepped back from Mark. Like a kid who'd just smashed a volley through the greenhouse window, I pointed in his direction, 'It was him' I said, 'he made me do it.' 'He's right', Mark offered meekly, 'it was my idea' and shook his head with a hint of despair. Then the laughing continued and I felt bad for trying to wriggle out of something that I should have taken on the chin. But it was his idea.

We beat Burnley 2-0 that night. It was 0-0 at half-time and whilst I was still muttering feeble excuses regarding my early exit to anyone who'd listen a text came in from Mark that read:

'Fancy a pint?'

I didn't respond.

I don't leave matches early any more. How could I? I'm shackled now, waiting for a repeat of Southampton away, waiting to put things right. I'll be the one who's still in the ground when we're 5-0 down and the board's gone up indicating two minutes of injury time thinking, 'Come on, we can still do it, this could be the one, I could make amends, put the ghost to rest'. But it ain't going to happen and I realise that. I ballsed up and there's no denying it. Occasionally, I start making my way down the steps as the referee is looking at his watch. Or I might hover annoyingly at the exit to the displeasure of anyone whose view I'm selfishly blocking. But in the main my arse is welded to the seat until the last peep of the ref's whistle has drifted over the stands. After all, owt could happen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 25, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
Brilliant  :D remember it welll, i watched in disbelief on Skysports news as the goals rained in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 25, 2010, 11:09:19 AM
Enjoyable read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 27, 2010, 09:20:58 AM
Hey, a win over Sheffield Utd, the first in nearly 20 years.  Gary Speed is their manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on September 28, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Some game tonight v Preston. 0-1 down, came back to lead 4-1 and now 4-5 to Preston.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
Finished Leeds 4 Preston 6, which is a little hard to believe even for Leeds. By all accounts the keeper had a nightmare and the back four were not much better. However, there have to be questions about the manager  when a game is lost in such circumstances. In our last four matches, we have conceded five, kept back to back clean sheets and now been hit for six at home. This season is going to be another white knuckle ride, and neither promotion nor relegation can be ruled out at this stage.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on September 28, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Crazy game, one the traveling Preston fans will never forget! how long is Schmeichel out? badly needed after that display
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 25, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
Anyone watching the Cardiff game ?

Leeds just gave away a goal, a long ball wasn't dealt with by Alex Bruce and Kasper Schmeichel. the cardiff forward nipped in to score. The 2 then had a roaring match at each other. It was a throwback to the days when their fathers did the same at Old Trafford !
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on October 25, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Yep watching it! Schmeichel at fault couldn't give any blame to Bruce
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Gaaman on October 25, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 25, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Yep watching it! Schmeichel at fault couldn't give any blame to Bruce

You shouldn't let the ball bounce at all possible if your a centre half though. Bruce my favourite Leeds player. Think he is defending quite well bar that one error.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 25, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
Steve didnt look too impressed in the stand !
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: fearglasmor on October 25, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Second for Cardiff, offside.  Not impressed with Schmeichel either.

Jayz  3 as I typed.  Fcuk
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on October 25, 2010, 09:04:57 PM
4-0 some strike there  :o

Only 13 games gone but Cardiff look like a premier league already
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 25, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
The first goal was down to comedy defending and the second was well offside, but overall Cardiff could have at least matched the six that Preston got at Elland Road. Tonight makes 12 goals conceded in our last three home games, which is pretty alarming. While the ball was regularly given away out the field, the back four looked sub-standard.

Grayson was brought in as manager because McAllister's teams should not defend in league one, and he managed to give Leeds a much more solid look immediately. Unfortunately, the championship is starting to look like a different story. If Leeds keep losing at home by wide margins, slipping towards the relegation zone will follow and Uncle Ken is not likely to remain patient for long.

The pressure seems to be getting to Leeds at home, so it is probably as well that the next two games are away to Scunthorpe and Coventry. However, the two after that are at home to Hull and Bristol City, who are both below us in the table. Grayson can probably survive a tanking against Cardiff, who look likely bets for promotion, but he can not really afford to get into a further run of defeats and he will definitely be lucky to survive if he cannot get a win from one of his next two home matches.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 25, 2010, 11:24:21 PM
Pretty much agree with that, our defense s cronic, they undo all our endeavor an hardwork up the field, any ball in the box is a chance for the opposition, all 4 bar connolly look championship standard imo, Kinorsbo cant come back quick enough, naylor is finished so we need a centre back in January, Hopefully Ben Parker will answer the left back problem when hes back from injury, Bessone and hughes are liabiliities there. I think we are ok out the field, Faye has to get fitter but is a strong presence there and wins alot of ball back, howson is decent, Snodgrasss and Gradel/Johnson are fine imo, Somma can be good some days and atrocious the next, he needs to be more consistent, because despite Becchio lack of scoring threat he works alot harder and tires out the defence. Paynter is nearly back but its hard to know how good he is.

I like Grayson but i worry about Leeds and he'll do well to make it to Christmas as our defence will leak alot of goals, weve lost 4 of 5 now, have to beat Scuntorpe who are good at home, Its criminal though that the defence is the way it is, he bought bessone, collins and bruce who are all shite. Smeichel was a good buy, mccartney looked poor tonight.Fingers crossed it all work out and we'll stay up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 04, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on December 04, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on December 04, 2010, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on December 04, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)

Get thon boy back and he'll add a bit of gloss to the team ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on December 04, 2010, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on December 04, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)

Get thon boy back and he'll add a bit of gloss to the team ;)

My worry is that in the mouth of Christmas, he'll be needed in the shop in Scotch Street.   :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 28, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
FFS - four points thrown away over Christmas that if taken would have had Leeds brilliantly placed, clear in second. Defence seems to be a problem, although plenty of goals up front, with Max Gradel on fire. Need to strengthen in defence, and that is based on keeping McCartney and O'Brien - the next few weeks should be interesting as regards players coming in.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2011, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 28, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
FFS - four points thrown away over Christmas that if taken would have had Leeds brilliantly placed, clear in second. Defence seems to be a problem, although plenty of goals up front, with Max Gradel on fire. Need to strengthen in defence, and that is based on keeping McCartney and O'Brien - the next few weeks should be interesting as regards players coming in.

The above post seems an awful long time ago now. Back at Christmas, Leeds were in the middle of a run that brought something like one league defeat in over twenty games. However even back then, there was a concern that too many points were being dropped due to getting draws from winning positions. The recent run of form has been terrible, and Leeds fell out of the top six, at the week-end, for the first time since last November. Bad time to do it.

Only a miracle will see Leeds get into the play offs now, and given that is unlikely, need to start thinking ahead to the eighth season out of the top flight - the same number of seasons that Leeds were out of the top flight back in the 1980s, and back then that seemed like a lifetime.

It will be more difficult next year - three teams coming down with their parachute payments, who do not have major financial problems, so they will be able to invest more in their squads. Grayson is going to have to be shrewd in the market, but with Uncle Ken keeping a tight eye on the purse strings, it might be wishing too much to hope for promotion.

Ah well, following Leeds was never about the glory!!   :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 26, 2011, 12:33:29 PM
QuoteAh well, following Leeds was never about the glory!!

That's for sure.

I didn't think this would be the year; hopefully they can hang on to their decent midfield and strengthen that defence.  There's nothing frightening coming down this season, irrespective of parachute payments. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
Realistically, most Leeds fans would have accepted a mid-table finish at the start of the season. However, having been close to the automatic promotion places for a lengthy period, and looking certainties for the play-offs, the decline over the last couple of months has been frustrating. The same thing happened at the same stage last season, and nearly kept us in league one for another year.

The basic problem is still that Leeds are vulnerable defensively and may need an entirely new back four in the summer. O'Brien is steady, but not getting any younger, Kisnorbo is excellent but has been out for over 12 months and may never be back, while none of the others have been fully convincing.

Grayson was not helped by the loss of form from Snodgrass and Bechio's injury, but the evidence is that his defensive organisation is suspect. He will need to put things right quickly for the start of next season.

Leeds still have a mathematical chance of going up, but they are pretty obviously not ready for it. They have had either a promotion, a relegation or a play-off campaign for each of the last five seasons, so a quiet finish and the opportunity to regroup may do no harm.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
Realistically, most Leeds fans would have accepted a mid-table finish at the start of the season. However, having been close to the automatic promotion places for a lengthy period, and looking certainties for the play-offs, the decline over the last couple of months has been frustrating. The same thing happened at the same stage last season, and nearly kept us in league one for another year.

The basic problem is still that Leeds are vulnerable defensively and may need an entirely new back four in the summer. O'Brien is steady, but not getting any younger, Kisnorbo is excellent but has been out for over 12 months and may never be back, while none of the others have been fully convincing.

Grayson was not helped by the loss of form from Snodgrass and Bechio's injury, but the evidence is that his defensive organisation is suspect. He will need to put things right quickly for the start of next season.

Leeds still have a mathematical chance of going up, but they are pretty obviously not ready for it. They have had either a promotion, a relegation or a play-off campaign for each of the last five seasons, so a quiet finish and the opportunity to regroup may do no harm.

Good post - in the context of the defensive issues, the absence of Kisnorbo was huge!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 26, 2011, 03:08:23 PM
At the start of the season i was shtting myself on us staying up, and i didnt have to worry about that all season. Last few weeks have been frustrating for sure but i have to accept that. Snodgrass is running on empty and who could blame him, Beechio injury was a big blow as paynter isnt close to his level imo.

The back line needs to be looked at big time, its a relegation defence no doubt and if we dont reinforce it puts serious pressure on the forwards again.

Kisnorbo is back in light training so should be back for start of next season, connolly and mccartney need to be ran, our squad does need overhaul and reinvestment.

Some photos to cheer us all up..

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/Robert-Snodgrass-Leeds-United-FA-Cup-Third-Ro_2548659.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/touchofsimon.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/se5dt5.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/leedsendpostcopybx6.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/dirty-leeds-united.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn67/SLIGONIAN2007/ases.jpg)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on April 26, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
You still have Schmeichel and a good goakeeper is a good start.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: spuds on April 30, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
Halftime
Leeds 1   0 Burnley

33 mins. McCormack (1st goal for club)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
SHould of been alot more comfortable, and goal diff is huge advantage for forest, should of won 5/6 nil, and that would of given us a big chance, played great stuff though, had the chances against Reading aswell, jees lately weve done well against the big teams and shit against bottom ones.

Come on Scunthorpe and swansea, nunez leeds player on loan at scunny.....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
Well its all over 7th, overall good season, need to sort out alot of positions, weve no defence but kinorsbo came on today :),  weve no depth up front with Beechio injured so need to get the check book out ken, need aholding midfielder aswell, eustace, pratley or southern will do... next yrs championship look onimous, gonna be a big ask to build on this season...

Marching on together,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: maigheo on May 08, 2011, 01:09:25 AM
I am a manchester united fan all my life and for some reason i have always enjoyed reading this thread.I think it is because you know that the contributiors are genuine leeds united fans all there lives and continue to support them thro thick and thin.It would be nice to see them back in the top flight where I think a team with this huge suppott should be.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
Well its all over 7th, overall good season, need to sort out alot of positions, weve no defence but kinorsbo came on today :),  weve no depth up front with Beechio injured so need to get the check book out ken, need aholding midfielder aswell, eustace, pratley or southern will do... next yrs championship look onimous, gonna be a big ask to build on this season...

Marching on together,

Good sum up - still can't help but feel disappointed at missing out on the play offs, having been top six for so long, and throwing it away so late in the season with defeats at Derby an Palace.

The only two times I felt Leeds got serious goings over were at home to Cardiff and away to Swansea, so I'd have been hopeful for the play offs. The need for investment is obvious, but Uncle Ken has shown no inclination to provide anything meaningful. Larry will therefore have to pull off a minor miracle next season.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Seeing as this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days I thought I'd bring it back to the top with a few goals for Billy, Rufus et al to view ;D  JJ Shelvey was helped by the fact that hos twin brother seemed to be the referee!

http://www.footylounge.com/films//jonjo-shelvey/blackpool-5-leeds-utd-0-shelvey-hatrick-video_f3146598b.html (http://www.footylounge.com/films//jonjo-shelvey/blackpool-5-leeds-utd-0-shelvey-hatrick-video_f3146598b.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 29, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
Leeds putting on a show in Speed's memory. 4-0 up away from home at Forest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 29, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 29, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
Leeds putting on a show in Speed's memory. 4-0 up away from home at Forest.
Great tribute, delighted, hopefully the same on saturday.

http://syze.blogspot.com/2011/11/gary-speed-tribute.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 30, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
Good video compilation of Speed there - brought back some good memories (including the 'Flying Pig').
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 18, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Neil Warnock your new manager.  It should be interesting to watch the Neil/Ken show.  At least he is from Yorkshire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/18/neil-warnock-leeds-manager?newsfeed=true

Leeds United have appointed Neil Warnock as manager until the end of the 2012-13 season.


The 63-year-old, sacked by QPR last month, replaces Simon Grayson, who left the club a fortnight ago, and faces the task of reigniting Leeds' play-off hopes – the club are currently six points adrift of sixth-placed Birmingham having played a game more.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 18, 2012, 12:17:26 PM
Aaaaargh, not Colin!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2012, 09:58:02 PM
Warnock?
The thinking man's Allardyce!
Can only think McCarthy turned them down.
It'll be craic and it'll stay in the championship.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 19, 2012, 11:21:54 PM
An appointment I'm very pleased with to be honest. Warnock has a great track record in getting promotions - I don't care what he does to get it this time. I think he is going to have to work with what he's got as Uncle Ken sees Leeds as a selling club and will not invest in any meaningful way, obviously save for renewing Maik Taylor's contract!!   >:(   Could a play off place be still in the offing?   :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 20, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
Colin's half-time bollicking seems to have done the trick on Staurday - well, on the scoreboard anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 20, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Its been depressing lately following Leeds but last weekend was some respite, im happy enough with warnock but he has weaknesses too. Bates is a major problem at the min but at least he listened to fans with getting warnock. Ive been on waccoe alot lately and so much negativity hopefully will change around now. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: CitySlicker11 on July 10, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Leeds open their championship season with a game against Wolves live on Sky Sports on Saturday 18th August. Looking forward to the new season!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 10, 2012, 07:59:18 PM
Takeover is imminent from Middle East consortinuim aswell, massive news...should be sorted soon. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:32:28 PM
What a bunch of sc**bags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h96h0XNNjpU

The lad has been identified already.

Couldn't make out what the Leeds fans were singing about Jones but some were easy to make out like,Jimmy Saville " he shags who he wants..he shags who he wants.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 19, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
The big lad went down like a sack of shit but that tosser will be banned for life.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on October 19, 2012, 11:45:46 PM
He has previous.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Football-fan-says-m-hooligan-ban-breach/story-13251413-detail/story.html

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Hillsborough in the news for all the wrong reasons again. What were the stewards at? that thug seemed really proud of himself.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Leedsvbates
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Leedsvbates
left his mobile number on it too..ouch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 20, 2012, 01:00:08 AM
Apparently Kirkland doesn't want to press charges!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere and Man United. I'm not that petty or blinkered to put the boot in just because I follow Man United before you say, have no time for that kind of supporter to be honest.Looking at the incident in isolation. Agree 100% with your post,sc**mbags in every soccer club...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 20, 2012, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.

MOT? Indeed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: haranguerer on October 20, 2012, 11:11:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 19, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
The big lad went down like a sack of shit but that t**ser will be banned for life.

Jesus he did - he was pushed in the face,it couldnt have done that much damage!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere
Really? Me too.
I always keep an eye on their results ever since John Aldridge joined them as a player then as manager,went to see one of their games one weekend when I was over at Anfield.
Came very close to making the top flight a few times as well.
Doing well this season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on October 20, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
I've visited and enjoyed many a game at Prenton Park (Tranmere & B'ham had a bit of rivalry going about 20 years ago). I remember going out in Liverpool after one particular game and a bunch of Blues fans were singing their "Shit on the Villa" song, the locals were good craic and joined in. When it was finished one "lady" aged about 40 then says to me "what does Sh*t on the pillow" mean :o.
Tranmere is a "proper" football club with good and knowledgeable fans ("don't be alarmed, don't be mislead, we are not Scousers we're from Birkenhead"  :D. I liked Aldridge as a foootballer but as a manager he could be ranked alongside Warnock and Phil Brown in the Shitehawk stakes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere
Really? Me too.
I always keep an eye on their results ever since John Aldridge joined them as a player then as manager,went to see one of their games one weekend when I was over at Anfield.
Came very close to making the top flight a few times as well.
Doing well this season.
Yep, bit of a family connection with the club for a long time. 1st defeat of the season today away to Bournemouth, shouldn't be losing there to be honest when playing as well as they have been. Squad is a bit thin but looks promising this year, lots of good young lads getting a chance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 20, 2012, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.

MOT? Indeed.
MOT i always will be where Leeds are concerned, and i March with all those genuine Leeds fans who have to stick together through the tough times, last night was ruined for most of us, its our anthem aswell, nothing to do with scumbags. The majority of Leeds fans are together in the battle against this thugeery and chanting.

No worries btw ballinaman, im just sick of all Leeds fans being tard with same brush and other clubs never looking at themselves, thinking oh were perfect, leeds are the only scum..i know you werent saying that and my message was mainly just pre emtive to anyone thinking of taking the morale high ground.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Might belong in the WTF thread, a young Leeds supporter gets "blacked up" for his hero Diouf


http://t.co/kQS895VE
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Might belong in the WTF thread, a young Leeds supporter gets "blacked up" for his hero Diouf


http://t.co/kQS895VE
I would like to see what the parents are like! Idiots.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on July 03, 2014, 09:05:32 AM
What the absolute f**k??!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

Quote

Massimo Cellino axes Paddy Kenny from Leeds over date of birth
• Cellino says number 17 is unlucky - Kenny's birthday is 17 May
• Goalkeeper is second-highest earner at the club

Massimo Cellino Massimo Cellino had seat number 17 removed from his former club Cagliari's ground and replaced with 16B. Photograph: Daniel Hambury/PA

The increasingly bizarre world of Leeds United has taken another turn for the strange after it emerged that Massimo Cellino, their maverick new owner, has such a dislike of the number 17 it has turned him against one of the club's key players who was born on that date.

Cellino is so suspicious of the number 17 that he had the seats at his former club, Cagliari, taken out and replaced with 16B. Now he has instructed the new Leeds head coach, Dave Hockaday, not to select Paddy Kenny after discovering that the goalkeeper's birthday is on 17 May and concluding that he is bad luck for the Championship club. Kenny, the second-highest earner at Leeds on £10,000 a week, has been left at home while the other players embark on a pre-season trip to Italy and he will not play for the club again.

Cellino, who also has a fear of purple, has separate issues about Kenny allegedly being overweight but is said to have reacted emotionally when he found out the 36-year-old goalkeeper had a connection with the number 17.

The Italian's superstition about that number is so strong he has told Hockaday it must not form part of the squad list next season. Michael Brown previously wore 17 for Leeds but was released at the end of the season.

The issue goes back to Cellino's time in Italian football when he says there was only one occasion in 20 years that Cagliari won or drew a game on the 17th of a month. In a recent interview, he remembered that victory and put it down to him asking the club's supporters to wear the dreaded purple to the game. "The whole stadium was purple on the 17th. We won because I think that bad luck is like algebra: minus and minus is positive. Purple and 17 ... they became positive and we won. That's the only time."

Cellino completed his takeover of Leeds in April but only after an appeal against the Football League's decision to try to block him entry on the grounds he had a previous conviction for fraud.

Since then, he has sacked Brian McDermott and unexpectedly brought in Hockaday, who had been out of work for eight months after leaving his previous club, Forest Green, on the back of a run of seven defeats in eight games.

Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed. Hockaday will not have control of transfer business and Cellino intends to flood the squad with free signings and cheap Italian imports. Stuart Taylor, who left Reading at the end of the season, has joined Leeds to take over from Kenny.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 03, 2014, 09:11:34 AM
It's Twilight Zone stuff, as if we weren't used to that already - I'm (almost) pining for Dave O'Leary.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 12:10:25 PM
I heard that Paddy Kelly was released by Leeds there last week, after the mad owner said that he wouldn't play for the club again because his Birth date is the 17th of May, and your man has a phobia about the number 17. Crazy stuff.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 20, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Cellino is a colourful figure but some of the stories surrounding him can be placed in the urban legend category. The keeper is Paddy Kenny, not Kelly, and he has had a few ups and downs along the way. The reports that he turned up for pre-season training more than a stone overweight almost certainly had more to do with his departure than his birthday. Cellino had also lined up a pretty decent young Italian keeper on a competitive wage, so spreading a few rumours about unlucky numbers may have had the desired effect. However, on the basis of last night's result, it could be another long hard season for Leeds anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 20, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Cellino is a colourful figure but some of the stories surrounding him can be placed in the urban legend category. The keeper is Paddy Kenny, not Kelly, and he has had a few ups and downs along the way. The reports that he turned up for pre-season training more than a stone overweight almost certainly had more to do with his departure than his birthday. Cellino had also lined up a pretty decent young Italian keeper on a competitive wage, so spreading a few rumours about unlucky numbers may have had the desired effect. However, on the basis of last night's result, it could be another long hard season for Leeds anyway.

Sorry I meant Paddy Kenny. Don't know where I got Kelly. I have a neighbour called Paddy Kelly, maybe that's it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 03, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
Remember the better years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54WGabJcRg
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 03, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
I just moved over to London to work and was over last weekend for the Dolphins as I am huge fan, was great, but also I went to brentford without a ticket, both sets of fans were mixing outside the ground in what was a very friendly atmosphere, I got a ticket at face value and went into the Leeds away end, the leeds fans were a credit to the club, not a hint of trouble, we played terrible and only for silvestri we would have been hammered,

Cellino is a nut job, way to public with his mouth and way too emotional in his decision making, he has huge influence in the team selection, will be interesting to see if he buys back elland rd in November as he promised, I presume ye know outer ex chairman David haigh is in jail in Dubai since may, there's a book being written by ex LUST chairman Gary cooper about the last few yrs goings on at Leeds, should make interesting reading
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
The circus continues - Leeds are going nowhere under Cellino! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29774801
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 25, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
The circus continues - Leeds are going nowhere under Cellino! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29774801

Even Clough lasted 44 days..
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 25, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Seen this on twitter, thought it was funny....

QuoteClocks go back tonight, so if Leeds appointed a new manager at 1.30 am, they could actually sack him half an hour before before he started.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: muppet on October 25, 2014, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 25, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Seen this on twitter, thought it was funny....

QuoteClocks go back tonight, so if Leeds appointed a new manager at 1.30 am, they could actually sack him half an hour before before he started.

;D ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 26, 2014, 12:56:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
Sorry I meant Paddy Kenny. Don't know where I got Kelly. I have a neighbour called Paddy Kelly, maybe that's it.

Does the Paddy you know play? Is he doing anything most Saturdays?

I don't think this is going to be the normal season of despair - this one could be spent flirting with relegation!!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 26, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Despair doesn't normally set in until after Xmas - it's here before Halloween this year.  Looked better than Rotherham last week and folded; looked better than Wolves this week and folded.  Pattern for definite despair.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 12, 2015, 08:21:29 AM
When Leeds got relegated in May 1982, it would be eight long seasons outside the top flight before they returned in August 1990. Those eight years seemed like a lifetime. However, when Leeds take the field next season in the Championship, it will be the twelfth season outside the top flight and yet for me personally somehow it doesn't seem as long. I don't know if that's because I'm considerably older and time moves more quickly, or these twelve seasons have been more of a rollercoaster ride than 82 - 90 with a further relegation, promotion and a number of play-offs covering the intervening years. Either way though, there doesn't seem to be any basis for optimism that the twelve years will not become thirteen and fourteen and fifteen and.......

As usual last season there were the ups and downs to fill any supporter with both unreasonable optimism and absolute despair. Early season form (pre Hallowe'en) suggested that a promotion push was well within their grasp but a long and indifferent run of form from November to about February resurrected the relegation fears. Another good run in the Spring raised again the flicker of hope that we might sneak a play-off spot but that was crushed under foot by an abysmal end of season run that somehow found a fitting end with a dull and uninspired 0-0 draw at home to Rotherham.

There were an awful lot of sub plots within the season just gone - a number of Italian players were brought in - Silvestri and Antenucci were both positives and although he could be a liability with his disciplinary record, I liked Giuseppe Bellusci as he played with a bit of passion - a rare commodity. However the issue with the Italian contingent was clouded by the non appearance away to Charlton which was itself shrouded in controversy. Another Italian who went missing of course was the boss himself, Massimo Cellino, although he made a late season return after serving his ban. However he is now again the subject of an FA investigation around transfer activity.

What the future holds is unclear. Leeds appear to want to get our promising young players tied down to contracts and there are talks of a change in our kit provider (Macron to Kappa) which might prompt a visit to the courts. However the big question going forward will be ownership and what the intentions of the owners are regarding investment. As always with Leeds, the future is as clear as mud.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
I see the BBC are reporting (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32720050) that Rudy Austin is being let go along with Alex Cairns, Stuart Taylor, Zac Thompson, Michael Tonge and Aidy White. 

It is rumoured that there are players on that list that Redfearn wanted to keep, which if true would suggest further change in the manager's seat in the not too distant future. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2015, 11:12:37 AM
Leeds are now the 'watch through your fingers' club - anything is likely to happen, or not, or maybe. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2015, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 15, 2015, 11:12:37 AM
Leeds are now the 'watch through your fingers' club - anything is likely to happen, or not, or maybe.

Correct Billy - and yesterday's press conference by Massimo 'hold on, I need a fag' Cellino will only have added to that feeling.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
The frustrating aspect is that Redfearn is a capable coach with some hugely promising young players in his squad. A period of stability and an average amount of investment by championship standards could take the club very close to the play-offs next year. If yesterday's press conference is anything to go by, we will get a prolonged soap opera instead.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2015, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
The frustrating aspect is that Redfearn is a capable coach with some hugely promising young players in his squad. A period of stability and an average amount of investment by championship standards could take the club very close to the play-offs next year. If yesterday's press conference is anything to go by, we will get a prolonged soap opera instead.

You'd have to look at Bournemouth as the model for what can be achieved through relatively modest investment and more importantly stability. I'm not sure though that we can match what Bournemouth invested and Cellino doesn't do stability.

I see there is also talk of a change in the kit provider. Macron were due to finish a 6 year contract next season but the talk is that the Club are ditching it a year early and going with Kappa. Macron are threatening legal action.

Everything thus as it should be!!  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
I see that various sources are reporting that Uwe Rosler is likely to be the next manager of the Club (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32804076). Ordinarily this might seem a crazy situation given that there is a manager already in place, but Cellino's tirade against Redfearn in which he branded him a baby (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/17/massimo-cellino-neil-redfearn-baby-leeds) will have let on-one in any doubt that Redfearn's days are numbered. 

The rollercoaster ride goes on.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 19, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
The rollercoaster ride goes on.  :(

And on.....

Steve Evans has replaced Rosler, with reports that Cellino had first asked Harry Redknapp!! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34570202)  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 19, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
The less said the better. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
From the BBC tonight - 'Leeds chairman Massimo Cellino has agreed in principle to sell his share in the club to supporters' group Leeds Fans United.'

Another amazing twist in the Elland Road soap opera. The big question is where is the money to fund any sale going to come from ? If the new owners get this right, the club could at long last be heading back to the top. If the sums don't add up, the risks are also huge.

However, Cellino had reached the end of the line and at least there is now a fighting chance of a Leeds revival.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 30, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
From the BBC tonight - 'Leeds chairman Massimo Cellino has agreed in principle to sell his share in the club to supporters' group Leeds Fans United.'

Another amazing twist in the Elland Road soap opera. The big question is where is the money to fund any sale going to come from ? If the new owners get this right, the club could at long last be heading back to the top. If the sums don't add up, the risks are also huge.

However, Cellino had reached the end of the line and at least there is now a fighting chance of a Leeds revival.

What a mess, Leeds used to be a top class outfit and it is a shame they are going to the dogs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 30, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
What is O'Leary's legacy amongst Leeds fans now?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on October 31, 2015, 07:16:44 AM
Shit.Just the same as it is with Villa.O'Leary will go down in history as ruining two great clubs
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 02, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 30, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
What is O'Leary's legacy amongst Leeds fans now?

He will always be associated with a period that brought the Club to its knees, and for that reason his name will be mud amongst a lot of the support.

However for me, the ultimate responsibility rests with those who oversaw the finances and were prepared to sanction a transfer policy that was built on the need to make the Champions League each year, at a time when only the top three made it through.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
Ridsdale. End of.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 01:47:27 PM
That was a decent Leeds team - got to a Champions League semi on merit.  The problem was that there was a transfer budget that wasn't matched by an appropriate wages budget, or at least a sustainable wages budget. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

If the people holding the purse strings give you the go ahead why wouldn't you?!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:06:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

If the people holding the purse strings give you the go ahead why wouldn't you?!!

Because you have an ounce of wit?

Because you know nothing can be built on a burning platform?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

What positive examples of spending a load of money you don't have would be going through your mind?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending

What do you think he should have done? He's an employee of the club, like anyone else. He is not responsible for allocating the money, he is only responsible for spending it and getting good value for what he spends.

I also doubt he had anything to do with the stupid wage setup.

Do you think he should have said "Lads, I don't think we can afford this fella, stop giving me money?"

As I said, I think he'd be in a minority of one if he did. Managers always want to be improving their squad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.

So a manager just continues spending magicked up money until the creditors close in and leave the fans with a crock of sh1t?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
Again, the manager is being told the money is there. Is he supposed to bring in his own auditors to make sure? What should he have done?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.

So a manager just continues spending magicked up money until the creditors close in and leave the fans with a crock of sh1t?

He'd have been destroyed by fans if they're being told the money's there to buy X, Y, Z and the manager says "Ah lads maybe we'll take a long term view, yes I'm being told we have the money but maybe we should be prudent about the thing!"

Not a chance!! It's not his job. His job is to get the best players to come to Leeds and get them playing well. The money is someone else's responsibility.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending

What do you think he should have done? He's an employee of the club, like anyone else. He is not responsible for allocating the money, he is only responsible for spending it and getting good value for what he spends.

I also doubt he had anything to do with the stupid wage setup.

Do you think he should have said "Lads, I don't think we can afford this fella, stop giving me money?"

As I said, I think he'd be in a minority of one if he did. Managers always want to be improving their squad.

Still waiting on your positive examples of this sort of operation working?

Value for money is hardly where he would be running for a defence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
Again, the manager is being told the money is there. Is he supposed to bring in his own auditors to make sure? What should he have done?

I wouldn't go confusing "asking basic questions" and "bringing in the auditors"

If I was bringing in someone from a competitor and trying to get them to sign a long-term contract I would want to know that the wages would be paid and the ambitions stood some chance of being realized.

If I was taking the adulation of the fans and spending unprecedented wads of cash then I would seek out the reassurances that we weren't pissing on their dreams
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
My favourite Leed's story, true or not, was the one about Ridsdale's, eh, tough negotiation with Seth Johnson and his agent.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 02, 2015, 03:10:06 PM
The Guardian did an investigation (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/mar/07/sport.features1) into this whole sorry saga a good number of years ago. It's a long but (I think) interesting read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

'Sactly. I think smelmoth is putting way too much emphasis on O'Leary's role in all this. He probably thought he was on the pig's back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright

It certainly was. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!

And he's probably right, he came through a period where they had to finance a new stadium. He was never a buying manager, he only buys when he feels the player can improve the team not because the supporters/media demand it and he feels there is value. He did buy Sanchez and Ozil and his only signing this year has been a 33 year old goal keeper who has so far been the signing of the season. A good coach/manager can improve players, a bad coach/manager feels the only solution is to buy. A manager is protected by his contract therefore I think the point selmothis making is that has to have some sense of future planning and be responsible with the club finances and player pathways.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright

It certainly was.

On balance sheet debt versus off balance sheet debt. Its still debt. Its still acquiring players on the never never
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!

And he's probably right, he came through a period where they had to finance a new stadium. He was never a buying manager, he only buys when he feels the player can improve the team not because the supporters/media demand it and he feels there is value. He did buy Sanchez and Ozil and his only signing this year has been a 33 year old goal keeper who has so far been the signing of the season. A good coach/manager can improve players, a bad coach/manager feels the only solution is to buy. A manager is protected by his contract therefore I think the point selmothis making is that has to have some sense of future planning and be responsible with the club finances and player pathways.

I get what you're saying but bar Ferguson and Wenger what manager can really plan for the future? No manager is safe for 3 years and Wenger is in a unique position that yes he created but is completely at odds with everything that is happening in football throughout the world. Wenger has been a manager of a big club that didn't win a trophy of significance for a long time and still refused to open the cheque book.

This would not be tolerated by the board and fans of any other club (and isn't by a lot of Arsenal fans and high profile ones at that) so judging O'Leary by Wenger and Ferguson standards isn't really fair I don't think!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
I would have called it serviceable debt vs. unserviceable debt - the finance houses thought it was a good idea, until the team stopped winning games.  The latter was O'Leary's responsibility, the finance deal wasn't. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
Real Madrid signing Ronaldo/Messi/Bale/whoever is no more sustainable financially than Norwich signing Stones - it's a question of risk. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

What are you talking about? Who is 'We?'. You have the knife into David O'Leary for something that was not his responsibility. You can say he should have asked more questions about the sustainability of the approach, maybe he should, but he is not an accountant, and better qualified people than him were responsible for that area of running the club.

If you are saying the Leeds situation was mismanaged, then I'd be agreeing with you 100%. If you are saying it was O'Leary's responsibility to ensure that didn't happen, then I disagree with you.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:48:21 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

Yeah but we're not talking about Norwich or Sligo Rovers this was a club consistently in the top 6 of the Premier League who had qualified for Champions League and Uefa Cup in his time there... how was he to know Ridsdale had leveraged against future entry into the Champions League and the gate receipts that would generate!!!

Anyway I don't think you're going to change your mind as you have O'Leary hung for it anyway so best to agree to differ. I still think any manager worth their salt would have done the exact same thing as O'Leary!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:58:19 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
Real Madrid signing Ronaldo/Messi/Bale/whoever is no more sustainable financially than Norwich signing Stones - it's a question of risk.

No its not.

Real debts make a mockery of FFP but they do have assets and cash flows to repay the debt if they could wean themselves of the habit of racking up more debt
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

What are you talking about? Who is 'We?'. You have the knife into David O'Leary for something that was not his responsibility. You can say he should have asked more questions about the sustainability of the approach, maybe he should, but he is not an accountant, and better qualified people than him were responsible for that area of running the club.

If you are saying the Leeds situation was mismanaged, then I'd be agreeing with you 100%. If you are saying it was O'Leary's responsibility to ensure that didn't happen, then I disagree with you.

I think you are confusing me with someone who siad O'Leary was soley responsible for the Leeds dibacle
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

You said this.

Firstly, we don't know that O'Leary didn't ask and wasn't told not to worry about it.

Secondly, as I've said, ensuring the financial viability of the club is not the job of the football manager.

I never said you think he's the only one to blame. My opinion is that you are placing too much emphasis on the fact that he wasn't more of a regulator of the club finances, and I don't think that's fair.

And I have no love for David O'Leary by any means.

Also, if Norwich said they were going to buy Stones for £35m, I believe Alex Neill would jump around with delight. He might ask 'really, can we afford that?' but if the mandarins tell him  'yes, we have a finance plan in place' he'd go buck mad and spend it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 04, 2015, 08:27:06 AM
First home win since March; first win over Cardiff since 1984!  :o

Only saw the goal - thought it was a bit of a misjudgment by Marshall in Cardiff's goal. I don't care though! That win was badly needed. Away to Huddersfield next!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 04, 2015, 09:04:08 AM
Saw that result late last night and had to pinch myself - might be portentous, as as that Cardiff game way-back-when was the  start of the downfall.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 09, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
Well, hello Mary Lou..... :D

A very encouraging performance and result away to Huddersfield.

Although by no means a perfect performance, there were plenty of positive signs - some good team play, underlined by a bit of heart and determination. I was impressed with how Evans came across in the interview. Sounded determined and pointedly made reference to the need for everyone to work hard for the Club - those who were not prepared to do that would be shown the exit door.

I'd have to say we were lucky not to go down to ten men with the score at 0-0, as Scott Wootton should have been sent off for a second yellow. It proved key as he was involved in the first goal.

Huddersfield dominated the second half but rarely threatened - it felt like one of those days where everything was always going to go right.

Back to back wins; back to back clean sheets - the start of something good?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 12, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I think Moyes would be a great manager for a club like Leeds, he is a good manager and Leeds are a big club that have massively underachieved for years, I do not think you could do any better Rufus to be honest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 13, 2015, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino.

Credit where credit is due - the Club is in a much better financial footing under him than it has been in quite some time. I would imagine the price of any takeover will reflect that.

Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?)

I would add McDermott to Redfearn and having given Rosler some financial backing in the Summer it was surely incumbent on him to back his man for longer than the time given.

He wasn't known as the manager eater for nothing and the rate at which he hires and fires managers does not - indeed cannot - provide the stability that Leeds so desperately need.

Indeed to add to that, his business 'practices' in Italy are coming under sharp focus and has created its own instability at the top of the business.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 14, 2015, 01:19:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.

Hard to argue with any of that Benny.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on December 29, 2015, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 14, 2015, 01:19:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.

Hard to argue with any of that Benny.

Actually, it looks like Cellino has completely lost the plot now....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35191715
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 22, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
Death of Gary Seake, goalkeeper during the 60s and 70s.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 26, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
Bring it on!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 02, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Today's win means that Leeds have taken 28 points from the last 36, probably our best sustained run since they were top of the Premiership this week 15 years ago. It has been a long hard road since then, but the club is finally in decent shape and looking a good bet for the play-offs at least. Monk has done an outstanding job on a much lower budget than some of the other big clubs in the division, and he deserves backing in the transfer window to keep Leeds in contention for a promotion push which few were seriously expecting.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 02, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Today's win means that Leeds have taken 28 points from the last 36, probably our best sustained run since they were top of the Premiership this week 15 years ago. It has been a long hard road since then, but the club is finally in decent shape and looking a good bet for the play-offs at least. Monk has done an outstanding job on a much lower budget than some of the other big clubs in the division, and he deserves backing in the transfer window to keep Leeds in contention for a promotion push which few were seriously expecting.

Probably should have been 30 from 36. I thought they were exceptional away to Villa and were unlucky with two efforts that hit the woodwork, and conceded a goal from a needless penalty. Steve Bruce in his post match interview stated that was the best Leeds team he had seen in years. Don't forget that this is under an excellent young manager who was under threat of the sack back in September, which underlines how fragile things can be with Cellino in command.

For all the positives of the Villa performance, there are definitely areas where we could and should strengthen in the transfer window - we need more firepower up front - Wood is too hit and miss for me to be a number one striker. However making Pontus Jansson's move permanent has to be the immediate priority. 

It will be interesting to see how this new investment impacts on the field, and if more money will be available. Cellino will have to take a back seat from next month, so I wonder is this investment him considering an exit strategy?

Things are really looking positive, which for a Leeds' supporter is a worry in itself. Any time I've seen Brighton this year, they have looked impressive, and I'd expect Newcastle to invest in their squad to ensure promotion. It could be that we end up in the play offs (which I'd take) but of course is a mine-field in itself.

Anyway, reasons to be cheerful!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.

Nice one Billy - thanks!

I've allowed my mind to wonder so much recently that I'm already thinking ahead to the redevelopment of Elland Road to host Premier League and European football.  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.

Nice one Billy - thanks!

I've allowed my mind to wonder so much recently that I'm already thinking ahead to the redevelopment of Elland Road to host Premier League and European football.  :o

Now they're doomed, for certain.   :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Now they're doomed, for certain.   :P

;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Sent you the pics by email Rufus, give me a poke if you don't get them. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 06, 2017, 09:20:58 AM
Yeah, a great memory (apart from the result, and the defending). 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 10, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night.

Correct Billy - I got the impression that they thought they only had to turn up and strut their stuff and were quickly knocked off their stride by Cambridge. To be fair, they must have got a bollocking at half time and came out a different team. Played some nice football, dominated territory and possession and came out deserving winners.

The yellow card for Jansson means that he misses the next two games - Derby and Barnsley - which is a real blow. There seems to be a determination by the Club to reach his target for matches played which then triggers the transfer from Torino.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 10, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night.

Correct Billy - I got the impression that they thought they only had to turn up and strut their stuff and were quickly knocked off their stride by Cambridge. To be fair, they must have got a bollocking at half time and came out a different team. Played some nice football, dominated territory and possession and came out deserving winners.

The yellow card for Jansson means that he misses the next two games - Derby and Barnsley - which is a real blow. There seems to be a determination by the Club to reach his target for matches played which then triggers the transfer from Torino.

That's very Yorkshire thinking - the kind of thinking that has Leeds where it is.  Jansson is the main reason why they'ye been so good at the back recently, and now they've lost him for two very difficult games.  You'd despair, if it hadn't happened over and over and over for the last 40 years. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on January 14, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

Away to Barnsley! Do ye bring your own ferrets?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
The Derby performance was outstanding against a side with a large budget who are serious play-offs rivals. It is just a pity that two goalkeeping errors cost us the points against both Newcastle and Brighton earlier in the season and have left the gap at the top still fairly large. However, Leeds are now the form side in the division and there can be no doubt that Monk is a hugely impressive young manager.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 16, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

A very impressive performance indeed.  Hayling looks like a star in the making.  And young Viera could be the business.  Almost convinced to be hopeful, but experience tells me otherwise.  Barnsley will be difficult. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 16, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
Oakwell is one of my favourite grounds in the country. Great little town to have a few beers in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 23, 2017, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 16, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

A very impressive performance indeed.  Hayling looks like a star in the making.  And young Viera could be the business.  Almost convinced to be hopeful, but experience tells me otherwise.  Barnsley will be difficult.

I feckin' told ye - Leeds were not good.  Hopefully they can pick it up and go again. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 23, 2017, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 23, 2017, 11:24:51 AM
I feckin' told ye - Leeds were not good.  Hopefully they can pick it up and go again.

Terrible performance with many of those who starred against Derby being completely anonymous - seemed to be caught on the back foot from the start and could never impose themselves despite taking the lead. A couple of the Barnsley goals were very avoidable, whilst their second and third goals were both stunning efforts, which make you feel it is not your day. It is a long season, and all teams drop points on a regular enough basis, so hopefully a quick return to action against Forest can exorcise the demons from this match.  The return of Jansson will be very welcome.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 23, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
Gents we are way ahead of where any of us thought we would be, the lunatic cellino has been muzzled by Radriazzini, who looking into his background is the owner we have been praying for, he will buy us 100% in the summer no matter where we finish, there were rumours only for Rad Monk would have been sacked early in the season, Jansson is a big loss and will be back to partner bartley on Wednesday, the forest game will tell us a lot, Sutton utd on the weekend will give the squad members a run out, with mowatt and Phillips getting deserved runs, We have a good young team. Against Barnsley we did not get stuck in enough early on, our set pieces are great with hernandez, we need Charlie taylor back at left back, berardi is good but hes not as potent going forward, Ayling is good but can get caught for pace out wide, and we need back up for Wood, he played very well on Friday and hes got some amount of goals this season, sometimes his touch and hold up play is poor but he can finish, doukara is hit and miss, strong but poor ability at times, 48% pass completion against Barnsley not good enough, Eunan o kane back from injury is a boost,

Rad needs to be held to account and fair play to Leeds fans staying informed enough to see if owner is shafting us or not, I feel positive that cellino will be gone and Rad is in so I feel future is bright.
MOT
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 28, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
Great response to the Barnsley defeat. Team seemed to play with a lot of confidence and on the basis of chances created, should have won by three or four. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check out Doukara's screamer of a volley on youtube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk3yu0NDLE)

I see we've let Alex Mowatt go to Barnsley, which I think is very disappointing - great young talent who I thought had a lot to offer. Brings into sharp focuse our transfer dealings as 31 Janaury approaches. Is anyone coming in?  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 29, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on January 29, 2017, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 29, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?

Leeds were relegated from the Premier League in 2004 & ten years ago they were in their first of 3 seasons in League One!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 30, 2017, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 29, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?

Depression sounds about right - when the thread started, Leeds were in their third season out of the premiership, in the Championship and were about to be relegated to Division One.

When I was younger, I thought the eight years out of the top flight between 1982 and 1990 was an eternity - we're now at season thirteen and somehow it seems to have gone quicker - life flies when you're having fun.  ::)

Watched the Cup defeat today and I knew after five minutes we were going to take a spill. Inexperienced team, unfamiliar surface and an underdog seriously up for the contest in crappy conditions - there was only one winner from minute one. Largely irrelevant anyway - the Blackburn match next up is much more important.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 30, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
This is the first year of the thirteen that I've felt that Leeds had a chance to make it back to the top flight.  A chance, mind as they are not yet at Brighton's or Newcastle's level - it might be a year too early. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 02, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
Two late loan signings before the end of the transfer window - Modou Barrow from Swansea and Alfonso Pedraza from Villarreal. Barrow is a forward and Pedraza a winger. Beyond that I don't know an awful lot about them.

Great win last night. Left it late but hung in and managed to snatch a late victory with Jansson's close range header. And speaking of Pontus, he will sign permanently from Torino in the Summer - huge boost that.

I see Brighton were well beaten tonight at Huddersfield - that keeps both Brighton and Newcastle within touching distance but of course leaves things very tight in the play off positions. Huddersfield win their game in hand and they go a point above us. The match on Sunday is therefore very important. From memory we have a decent enough record there - a win on Sunday and things will be really rocking!!   :)

MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 06, 2017, 08:15:19 AM
Painful defeat yesterday, shipping an 89th minute goal after it looked like we might hold out for a draw. Huddersfield to be fair were dominating, but I thought they did not look like scoring until a shot going wide was deflected into the path of a man, free in front of the nets - game over. Nicking a draw would have been great. Thought Rob Green had an excellent game in nets but thereafter there was no-one who really stood out for me - a mention for Wood maybe who scored again. Can't take anything for granted in this league, but the next few matches - home to Cardiff, home to Bristol City, away to Ipswich - offer opportunities to get the show back on the road. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 06, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
Yeah, devastating late blow - they rode their luck a bit in Blackburn and the three points there is probably better than two draws.  I think the two derby losses recently may be dispiriting for the squad, but hopefully not.  Three winnable games ahead now; need to make them count. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 06, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
The Championship is a tough division. No clear runaway leader this year and any of the top 8 could go on a run. Brighton and Newcastle are as likely to drop points as any of the others.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 10:36:43 AM
Great scenes after the winning goal yesterday. Plenty of passion on show from both teams. This type of joy is sadly missing from most PL games
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 06, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
Yeah, devastating late blow - they rode their luck a bit in Blackburn and the three points there is probably better than two draws.  I think the two derby losses recently may be dispiriting for the squad, but hopefully not.  Three winnable games ahead now; need to make them count.

I got Dad a birthday present of going to the Cardiff game this weekend, cannot wait, he hasn't been in years, huge game now as we usually bounce back and have to continue that. As im based in London im going to Fulham away aswell.

Huddersfield were ferocious but we were resilient, they probably deserved It but both there goals were fortunate, disappointed how we are performing against top 6, doesn't bode great for play offs, I think I would settle for that now, the scenes at the end were frustrating, think that will benefit us as if get Huddersfield in play offs we wont need any motivation at all, although they look primed for automatic promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 27, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
Hard fought victory on Saturday in a tense, if low quality game - one shot on target, one goal and three points. Wednesday were pretty poor too - they had one shot on target which brought a great save from Rob Green. Form is relatively indifferent (taking into account the home defeat to Cardiff and the draw at Ipswich) but the feeling for me is the over reliance on Wood up front could yet be our undoing. 

The big games keep coming - away to Birmingham on Friday night, which is live on TV. Right now, I'd settle for a play off place. The automatic promotion places look too far ahead and the form of the top three too good to see any sort of slip up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
God, it was awful to watch, but a good gap now to 7th.  Need to avoid losing to Fulham which is the game after Birmingham I think.  Preston seem to be the form team on the rise, for the moment. Saw Brighton-Reading over the weekend too - wouldn't be afraid of Reading by any means.  Huddersfield have good momentum going - I wouldn't want to see them again this season. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 27, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Great ugly win on Saturday, massive win, Fulham drawing was huge too, in fact everyone else dropped pts

It will be an interesting run in, Huddersfield drew but were on some run, brighton and Newcastle play each other tomorrow which is huge again, but one will drop pts, and we play brighton at home and Newcastle away yet

Id still take play offs though but if we can beat Birmingham and Fulham we could close to the top 2, im going to the Fulham game, pretty much a home game for me,

I not too worried about wood, he's not injury prone so should hold out, Charlie taylor is back in training but what does worry me is bartley is close to 10 bookings and a 2 match ban and Jansson is 2 away from 15 yellows which is a 3 match ban, they don't seem to be able to avoid bookings and missing either of those 2 is huge as cooper is poor, although ayling impressed when CB,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Huge few weeks coming up - eight matches left, five of which are away. First one is on live, tomorrow evening, away to Reading.

Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us. The gap has been narrowed to the top two, but I think time and fixtures are running out in that regard, as we are still eight and nine points off Brighton and Newcastle respectively. Still, barring a total collapse, play-offs are nearly guaranteed. 

The most recent match was the 2-0 victory over Brighton - thought it was very comfortable and could have had implications for the form of both teams towards the end of the season - but unfortunately the international break intervened. That will allow Brighton to regroup and may disrupt our momentum. Tomorrow evening will tell a tale.

The one concern at the moment would be the reliance on Chris Wood - if he gets crocked, the options look a bit threadbare.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 31, 2017, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Huge few weeks coming up - eight matches left, five of which are away. First one is on live, tomorrow evening, away to Reading.

Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us. The gap has been narrowed to the top two, but I think time and fixtures are running out in that regard, as we are still eight and nine points off Brighton and Newcastle respectively. Still, barring a total collapse, play-offs are nearly guaranteed. 

The most recent match was the 2-0 victory over Brighton - thought it was very comfortable and could have had implications for the form of both teams towards the end of the season - but unfortunately the international break intervened. That will allow Brighton to regroup and may disrupt our momentum. Tomorrow evening will tell a tale.

The one concern at the moment would be the reliance on Chris Wood - if he gets crocked, the options look a bit threadbare.

Wood was sent home prior to the NZ world cup qualifier - the wires say it was precautionary, but who knows. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 19, 2017, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 19, 2017, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 19, 2017, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   
One point out of fifteen last August wasn't a great help either. The Championship is easy to drop into but hard to get up out of again. The number of derbies doesnt help
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 19, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 19, 2017, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   

Hopefully Sheff Wed and Fulham won't just need a point each by the time they meet at Hillsborough on the last day. Leeds need to make sure that these two need points off each other then a win at an already demoted Wigan should be enough.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 19, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
The performance against Wolves was very disappointing but Monk has shown an ability to lift the squad at pressurised stages all season. There will be points dropped elsewhere among the group chasing play-off places and two wins from the last three games may well get Leeds over the line. If we can beat Burton at the weekend, we will be firmly back in the frame.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 20, 2017, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 19, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
The performance against Wolves was very disappointing but Monk has shown an ability to lift the squad at pressurised stages all season. There will be points dropped elsewhere among the group chasing play-off places and two wins from the last three games may well get Leeds over the line. If we can beat Burton at the weekend, we will be firmly back in the frame.

If results do go against Leeds I hope that the Directors and owners dont lose faith in Monk. He is a good sound manager and with a bit more experience in the team will get them promoted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on April 20, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 20, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   

Very few squads look good enough when they first go up. 1 or 2 clever buys can change the landscape. And it quite often only takes 35 points now to stay up. The "magical 40 point mark" hasn't been needed since the year West Ham last went down.
And even if a club does go straight back down it is still worth it for 1 year. Parachute payments will follow. Leeds could go up this year and finish 17th or better with 80% of their current squad. Equally they could fail to go up (maybe lose a couple of better players to bottom half Premier League teams) and finish in the bottom half of the championship next year. If I was a Leeds fan I'd want them up this year, no matter how ill prepared they may seem.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
Yeah, that's essentially what Burnley did.  You'd be very reliant on Monk building a good dressing-room and trying to avoid losing the spine of your team after relegation though. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
Posted by: Billys Boots - Today at 02:21:55 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   

Posted by: Shark - Today at 04:02:04 PM

Very few squads look good enough when they first go up. 1 or 2 clever buys can change the landscape. And it quite often only takes 35 points now to stay up. The "magical 40 point mark" hasn't been needed since the year West Ham last went down.
And even if a club does go straight back down it is still worth it for 1 year. Parachute payments will follow. Leeds could go up this year and finish 17th or better with 80% of their current squad. Equally they could fail to go up (maybe lose a couple of better players to bottom half Premier League teams) and finish in the bottom half of the championship next year. If I was a Leeds fan I'd want them up this year, no matter how ill prepared they may seem.


Billy is entitled to point out the need to strengthen the squad but most Leeds fans will agree with Shark. The stand-out figures this season have been the centre backs, Bartley and Jansson, and of course Wood up front. They are already being linked with Premiership clubs, as is the left back Taylor, and the chances of holding on to them if Leeds do not get promotion are slim. If we have to start again in the championship next August with a completely reshaped team, it could easily be back to mid-table mediocrity or worse.



Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 20, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2017, 04:25:29 PMIf we have to start again in the championship next August with a completely reshaped team, it could easily be back to mid-table mediocrity or worse.

Would agree with this.

Unfortunately the make up of the squad is very fluid - Bartley and Jannson are both there on loan and there are other loanees as well - Pedraza and Barrow come to mind. That's why it is so important to get promoted, acquire the wealth that comes with it, and start rebuilding the squad in a manner that allows for the possibility of a return to the Championship, i.e. contracts that will see a reduction in pay for players if relegation happens.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 21, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
Quotecontracts that will see a reduction in pay for players if relegation happens

Are cheap 'release clauses' not the trade-off for the insertion of such clauses in players' contracts? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 21, 2017, 10:11:53 AM
Newcastle got 72 million even though they were relegated.
The premiership needs a few teams with a bit of history, with all respects to Bournemouth.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 21, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 21, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
Are cheap 'release clauses' not the trade-off for the insertion of such clauses in players' contracts?

I'll be honest Billy, I'd never thought of that angle. I look though at a club like Burnley who seem to be able to retain players after relegation and keep them in place to mount a fresh promotion challenge. I think it can be done.

Just on another note, very sorry to hear of the passing of former player Ugo Ehiogu who died at the tragically early age of 44. May He Rest In Peace.

(http://www.mightyleeds.co.uk/images/20061223ehiogu.jpg)


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 22, 2017, 10:36:29 PM
And that, as they say, is that.

Back to back defeats to extremely average teams - no shots on target in the opening seventy minutes of each game - definite bottle job for me. Only an unlikely series of results will now see a play off place gained. A season that promised so much for so long turns to dust when the finish line was so close.

Very early to speculate but I'd imagine there will be significangt change in personnel between now and August and the chances of getting  a winning combination will be that bit longer.

One more year in the widerness beckons!!   :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 22, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 22, 2017, 10:36:29 PM
And that, as they say, is that.

Back to back defeats to extremely average teams - no shots on target in the opening seventy minutes of each game - definite bottle job for me. Only an unlikely series of results will now see a play off place gained. A season that promised so much for so long turns to dust when the finish line was so close.

Very early to speculate but I'd imagine there will be significangt change in personnel between now and August and the chances of getting  a winning combination will be that bit longer.

One more year in the widerness beckons!!   :(

Keep Monk. Open the chequebook. Gates of 30000 will deliver
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zycTSTrujE
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
This article from 2004 re Leeds gives a bit of the history

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/feb/10/sport.comment
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/may/15/hull-sunderland-middlesbrough-relegation-premier-league-championship
"Hull will receive £47m in parachute payments next season and £38m in 2018-19 (had they been in the Premier League for more than a single year they would also have been due a third instalment of £17m, in 2019 20)"
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 17, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

No Leeds fan needs reminding of that. I'd say having money from just one of the big transfers and contracts of the Ridsdale era would represent some lift now.

I thought that Fulham would have been favourites to go up but they fell at the semi-final stage this evening. Hope the winners of Wednesday and Huddersfield make it to the Premier League now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 17, 2017, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 17, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

No Leeds fan needs reminding of that. I'd say having money from just one of the big transfers and contracts of the Ridsdale era would represent some lift now.

I thought that Fulham would have been favourites to go up but they fell at the semi-final stage this evening. Hope the winners of Wednesday and Huddersfield make it to the Premier League now.

Galling when you see how poor both Reading and Fulham were last night - come on the Owls. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
Hard to believe a team with Paul McShane in it has a chance to go up.  Surprised at Fulham.  Hope Wednesday go up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 25, 2017, 01:46:00 PM
Monk has resigned.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 25, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
Just when things were beginning to look up with the takeover of Radrizzani. Gutted by this news and it's a real blow to the Club.

I get a sense, trying to read between the lines of the BBC Report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40046074) that the Club was trying to tie him down long term but although willing to stay, he did not want to commit to the long term.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 25, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 25, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
Next stop crystal palace?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 25, 2017, 05:13:54 PM
I don't think the new owner ever wanted Monk. He'll bring in his own obscure foreign manager and Leeds will be back to square one.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 26, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 25, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months.

Definitely appears to be versions here Billy that are conflicting to a degree.

I see early talk of Aitor Karanka. His Premiership tenure with Middleborough was very uninspiring but he does have a promotion on his CV.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Heading to Leeds for a piss up this weekend, Good city for pubs/clubs?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 26, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 26, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 25, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months.

Definitely appears to be versions here Billy that are conflicting to a degree.

I see early talk of Aitor Karanka. His Premiership tenure with Middleborough was very uninspiring but he does have a promotion on his CV.

He appears to be a bit of a diva - he'll fit in well with the board so.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on December 29, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
Leeds are 5th now . 5 points off Bristol City in second.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on December 30, 2017, 07:14:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 29, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
Leeds are 5th now . 5 points off Bristol City in second.

And you're playing us today, probably the easiest three points  Leeds will get this season?
This is one of those proper "grudge" matches, at least amongst the fans it is.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 30, 2017, 05:32:30 PM
Fairly typical of Leeds to go on a brilliant run, with 16 points from 18, and then slip up against the team who are bottom of the league after a string of defeats. The transfer window will be crucial, with at least a striker and a left back needed urgently, although it is notoriously difficult to recruit quality players in the championship at this time of year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 30, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 30, 2017, 05:32:30 PM
Fairly typical of Leeds to go on a brilliant run, with 16 points from 18, and then slip up against the team who are bottom of the league after a string of defeats. The transfer window will be crucial, with at least a striker and a left back needed urgently, although it is notoriously difficult to recruit quality players in the championship at this time of year.

Surely a new goalkeeper must be up for consideration? Wiedwald appears to have made another mistake today that cost the goal, and both he and Lonergan have had the keeper's jersey, which reflects the inconsistency of both. I'd have Silvestri back in a heartbeat.

You're right about a striker. Is the money from the Wood deal available? Lasogga has been very disappointing for a player of his back ground (German Under 21 International) and physique (for such a big fella, he seems easily cowed).

The squad just does not look as if it could remain in the top six to the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 01, 2018, 05:24:45 PM
I think today's match highlighted the need for more reinforcements in attack. Seemed to own the ball but lacked a real threat up front. I don't think Roofe is a natural striker and Lasogga doesn't appear to really cut it for me. That is two bad results - away to bottom side Birmingham City and home to Forest - where we should have been taking at least four points, which given other results, would have left us pushing for second place.

A very important month coming up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 01, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Leeds have two gems in Saiz and Hernandez, but unfortunately there is a lack of quality up front and in central midfield and the squad is lacking a natural left back. While a play-off place is still possible, today's performance confirms again that promotion is unlikely without some serious recruitment. Wood was a huge loss, and his replacements have not convinced, so the new owner may well be looking to next season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 24, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
Anyone see the new Leeds' crest?

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2018/01/24/Screen-Shot-2018-01-24-at-12-06-06_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq_015gmpDOnvmuD2JZwtarvvGAI9JmhohXQ5aTiZFb0k.png?imwidth=450)

My immediate reaction was that this must be a piss take, but believe it or not this is for real.

It looks like something from the film 1984. Responses on social media have, shall we say, tended to challenge the mindset of those who made the decision. An online petition set up just over an hour ago to get rid of it has already attracted over 10,000 signatures.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 24, 2018, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 24, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
Anyone see the new Leeds' crest?

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2018/01/24/Screen-Shot-2018-01-24-at-12-06-06_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq_015gmpDOnvmuD2JZwtarvvGAI9JmhohXQ5aTiZFb0k.png?imwidth=450)

My immediate reaction was that this must be a piss take, but believe it or not this is for real.

It looks like something from the film 1984. Responses on social media have, shall we say, tended to challenge the mindset of those who made the decision. An online petition set up just over an hour ago to get rid of it has already attracted over 10,000 signatures.

You just beat me to it - its awful. The apparently consulted 10,000 fans when designing this - I assume it wasn't the same 10,000 fans who have signed the petition.

(https://www.gaviscon.com/content/dam/cf-consumer-healthcare/gaviscon/en_us/images/Gaviscon-Liquid-Extra-Strength-Mint-Label_new.jpg)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: passedit on January 24, 2018, 01:57:29 PM
Was thinking something along these lines would be more appropriate

(http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/resources/images/2328512.jpg?display=1&htype=100004&type=responsive-gallery)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 24, 2018, 02:07:47 PM
It is seriously wrong to mock the afflicted. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on January 24, 2018, 02:20:21 PM
Jez, thats like - i don't know what?

Even Harchester Rovers the fictional Soccer team from Skys Dream team had a better crest

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Harchester_United_Logo.png)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on January 24, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3534464/Wolfsburg-s-ugly-badge-seen-Champions-League-semi-finals-does-make-list-10-worst-football.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3534464/Wolfsburg-s-ugly-badge-seen-Champions-League-semi-finals-does-make-list-10-worst-football.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 24, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Carlow have a new challenger for worst crest in Europe anyways. The old Leeds one was perfect.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 24, 2018, 11:49:05 PM
Looks like the Leeds board are reviewing the new badge after the less than favourable response from the fans. Maybe it was all just a big PR stunt.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: passedit on January 25, 2018, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 24, 2018, 02:07:47 PM
It is seriously wrong to mock the afflicted.

;D

Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2018, 11:49:05 PM
Looks like the Leeds board are reviewing the new badge after the less than favourable response from the fans. Maybe it was all just a big PR stunt.

The 'Burning Chip Van' is definitely a fan favourite.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42940326 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42940326)

I see after Saturday's disaster, we're now looking for a new manager - the seventh since 2014.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 04, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
Gates of 30000 plus, a good start to season and now falling apart. Monk had potential but the owners thought otherwise
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 05, 2018, 08:50:08 AM
A lot of talk that McLaren is being considered for the vacancy. Apparently he was at the match on Saturday in the Directors Box. Would not be my choice. I note that Leeds are now looking for their seventh manager since 2014. Surely whoever comes in must be given some time to try and impose their own style of play / ideas on the team? This constant chopping and changing must surely in itself be linked to the problems it is designed to address.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 05, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
Maybe O Neill regrets signing the contract now unless he has a get out clause?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on February 05, 2018, 07:19:17 PM
Looks like Paul Heckingbottom is the man. Hardly pulling up trees at Barnsley with 1 win in 16, 6 wins all season. Currently 21st place. Hardly the inspirational character needed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2018, 12:50:22 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 05, 2018, 08:50:08 AM
A lot of talk that McLaren is being considered for the vacancy. Apparently he was at the match on Saturday in the Directors Box. Would not be my choice. I note that Leeds are now looking for their seventh manager since 2014. Surely whoever comes in must be given some time to try and impose their own style of play / ideas on the team? This constant chopping and changing must surely in itself be linked to the problems it is designed to address.

Rufus, Stumpy and young Geraghty should be co managers with Big Beasel as the assistant, they might not win many games but by God they will fight like fack for the jersey. )
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2018, 12:50:54 AM
Neil Lennon for me, I think he is an excellent manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 06, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2018, 12:50:22 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 05, 2018, 08:50:08 AM
A lot of talk that McLaren is being considered for the vacancy. Apparently he was at the match on Saturday in the Directors Box. Would not be my choice. I note that Leeds are now looking for their seventh manager since 2014. Surely whoever comes in must be given some time to try and impose their own style of play / ideas on the team? This constant chopping and changing must surely in itself be linked to the problems it is designed to address.

Rufus, Stumpy and young Geraghty should be co managers with Big Beasel as the assistant, they might not win many games but by God they will fight like fack for the jersey. )

Tactical acumen might be in short supply Stew! 😀
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 23, 2018, 02:46:03 PM
Paul Heckingbottom is finding out quickly how frustrating a club Leeds can be. He has definitely steadied the ship since coming in and could easily have nine points from his first three games. However, a dodgy penalty when Leeds were in full control against Sheffield United was followed by a 2-2 draw at home to Sheffield United when three clear cut chances were missed late on. Then Leeds led twice away to Derby only to concede in the third minute of injury time for another draw. Effectively dropping seven points which were there for the taking has left Leeds with only the most remote prospect of a run towards the play-offs and a 15th consecutive seasons outside the Premiership beckons. Hopefully he will be given the time and the resources to have a proper crack at the job.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 26, 2018, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 23, 2018, 02:46:03 PM
Paul Heckingbottom is finding out quickly how frustrating a club Leeds can be. He has definitely steadied the ship since coming in and could easily have nine points from his first three games. However, a dodgy penalty when Leeds were in full control against Sheffield United was followed by a 2-2 draw at home to Sheffield United when three clear cut chances were missed late on. Then Leeds led twice away to Derby only to concede in the third minute of injury time for another draw. Effectively dropping seven points which were there for the taking has left Leeds with only the most remote prospect of a run towards the play-offs and a 15th consecutive seasons outside the Premiership beckons. Hopefully he will be given the time and the resources to have a proper crack at the job.

Agree with a lot of that, although I think bemoaning seven points dropped is a bit of a stretch for me. I thought we were worth a point at Bramall Lane, although I would agree we could and indeed should have taken six points from the games against Bristol City (where Lasogga hit the bar in injury time) and at Derby (where we shipped an injury time equalizer).

A few random thoughts; it's amazing that after only the first win of 2018 on Saturday, we are still very close to the play offs, and the hope would be that a run might get us into contention. The reality though is that there are too many weaknesses and de Bock is not instilling much in the way of confidence. The loss of Saiz to a six match suspension was huge and shows the lack of depth in the squad, and how much that lack of depth was exposed by needless suspensions. We need a new keeper. Lasogga is beginning to play with confidence and has an eye for goal - however he still does not convince me as being the sort of robust centre forward needed for the Championship.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 26, 2018, 09:48:21 AM
The beauty of the Championship every year is that if in the top half in the Spring three or four wins can get you back in the top six as contenders drop points against each other. Villa are one to watch with a good run at the moment with the exception of a loss at Fulham (who are also a threat)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 26, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 26, 2018, 09:48:21 AM
The beauty of the Championship every year is that if in the top half in the Spring three or four wins can get you back in the top six as contenders drop points against each other. Villa are one to watch with a good run at the moment with the exception of a loss at Fulham (who are also a threat)

Losing to Fulham ended a run of 7 wins. The home draw to Preston we were lucky to get and from watching the highlights of Saturday's game it was a bit of a smash and grab. Wednesday really should have won it.  Injuries to Grealish and Adomah recently have been a big blow to Villa. Fulham are def worth a watch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on February 26, 2018, 12:27:04 PM
Wolves are hitting a bad run of form at the wrong time, could they blow it yet?
Fulham look the business and as much as it grieves me to say it the Vile have the squad, experience and managerial "nous" to get up (hopefully I'm wrong about that).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
Just wondering are there any Leeds' followers out there with the urge to give an opinion, as yet another season that had some early optimism slowly runs to a dispiriting standstill?

I was on a site that allows different variables to be put in to come up with a league table of current form, and from Boxing Day to the present - a period in which we have two wins - we are currently rock bottom of the Championship Table with a total of 12 points, three below both Burton and Sunderland, and four from safety. The great football played under Christiansen back in the Autumn is but a distant memory and on the basis of last Friday night, the players look distinctly uninterested, with Heckingbottom's already brief tenure already looking under threat.

Changing the manager - in my humble opinion - is not the answer to the underlying issues of some bad recruitment and under investment, but it is usually Leeds go to choice when things are not going well. I actually thought that the danger of a return to Division One was a thing of the past, but now I'm not so sure - very depressing to be honest.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
Leeds have all the attributes of a team going through a long phase of mediocrity. The principles are the same across most sports.
A lot of them are psychological. I wonder has anyone formalised them. It would be an interesting PhD.

This was about Tyrone a while ago, from a fan :

1. Lack of leadership on the pitch
2. Lack of fight
3. Lack of tactical awareness
4. Lack of discipline
5. Lack of options from bench
6. Lack of strength
7. Lack of purpose

Meath would be another data-rich environment.

Galway hurlers were shite for years. It's very hard to change the dynamic. Most of all it needs patience and continuity. Chopping and changing managers is pointless.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 16, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
Just wondering are there any Leeds' followers out there with the urge to give an opinion, as yet another season that had some early optimism slowly runs to a dispiriting standstill?

I was on a site that allows different variables to be put in to come up with a league table of current form, and from Boxing Day to the present - a period in which we have two wins - we are currently rock bottom of the Championship Table with a total of 12 points, three below both Burton and Sunderland, and four from safety. The great football played under Christiansen back in the Autumn is but a distant memory and on the basis of last Friday night, the players look distinctly uninterested, with Heckingbottom's already brief tenure already looking under threat.

Changing the manager - in my humble opinion - is not the answer to the underlying issues of some bad recruitment and under investment, but it is usually Leeds go to choice when things are not going well. I actually thought that the danger of a return to Division One was a thing of the past, but now I'm not so sure - very depressing to be honest.

I'm too sick to say anything, Rufus.  Leeds are, by some way, the worst team at present in the Championship.  Some fall, after having been top in October. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 16, 2018, 04:18:43 PM
Mick McCarthy will sort you out, a good Yorkshire man...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 16, 2018, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 16, 2018, 04:18:43 PM
Mick McCarthy will sort you out, a good Yorkshire man...

That's not a bad shout. Would he put up with the madness there though? And would a Barnsley man want Leeds to do well?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on April 16, 2018, 07:33:51 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 16, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
Just wondering are there any Leeds' followers out there with the urge to give an opinion, as yet another season that had some early optimism slowly runs to a dispiriting standstill?

I was on a site that allows different variables to be put in to come up with a league table of current form, and from Boxing Day to the present - a period in which we have two wins - we are currently rock bottom of the Championship Table with a total of 12 points, three below both Burton and Sunderland, and four from safety. The great football played under Christiansen back in the Autumn is but a distant memory and on the basis of last Friday night, the players look distinctly uninterested, with Heckingbottom's already brief tenure already looking under threat.

Changing the manager - in my humble opinion - is not the answer to the underlying issues of some bad recruitment and under investment, but it is usually Leeds go to choice when things are not going well. I actually thought that the danger of a return to Division One was a thing of the past, but now I'm not so sure - very depressing to be honest.

I'm too sick to say anything, Rufus.  Leeds are, by some way, the worst team at present in the Championship.  Some fall, after having been top in October.

They better be up for it on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2018, 07:54:37 PM
This article from 2013 gives a flavour of Leeds' recent history

http://www.footytube.com/v5-read-report.php?id=21024
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 16, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
The posters who said Leeds should go for a period of stability and avoiding sacking another manager  are probably right, but the problem is that Heckingbottom's CV was dubious in the first place and results since his arrival have been pretty dreadful. He has had 13 games in charge, which is almost one third of a season, and has presided over two wins, four draws and seven defeats - ten points out a possible 39 and a success rate of 15 per cent is relegation form by any standard.

In his defence, he took on a squad which was struggling, has since been hit by a serious list of injuries and had introduced some young players who are showing a fair degree of promise. However, there is little evidence of a particular style of play evolving, he has chopped and changed tactics and the fans are distinctly unimpressed.

On balance, he should be given the opportunity to recruit properly over the summer, organise an effective pre-season programme and start the next campaign on his own terms. His run to date means that his position will have to be kept under review, and as ever results will decide his fate.

However, the more immediate risk he faces is the local derby against his old club, Barnsley, this Saturday at Elland Road. Leeds won the away fixture 2-0 when they were going well under Christiansen. Barnsley are a very limited side and looking likely to be relegated. If Leeds slip up against them, Heckingbottom may not survive much longer.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2018, 04:56:50 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0615/970691-major-coup-for-leeds-as-bielsa-appointed-manager/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Great Appointment but risky at the same time. Hopefully his madness will suit us because we are a mad club. Strap in folks, gonna be a crazy ride.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on June 18, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Great Appointment but risky at the same time. Hopefully his madness will suit us because we are a mad club. Strap in folks, gonna be a crazy ride.

Is Cloughie's tenure record in jeopardy - this lad has form.  He's also an excellent coach. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 18, 2018, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 18, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Great Appointment but risky at the same time. Hopefully his madness will suit us because we are a mad club. Strap in folks, gonna be a crazy ride.

Is Cloughie's tenure record in jeopardy - this lad has form.  He's also an excellent coach.
Given Leeds' form in recent years I'm surprised that it's still intact!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 19, 2018, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 18, 2018, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 18, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Great Appointment but risky at the same time. Hopefully his madness will suit us because we are a mad club. Strap in folks, gonna be a crazy ride.

Is Cloughie's tenure record in jeopardy - this lad has form.  He's also an excellent coach.
Given Leeds' form in recent years I'm surprised that it's still intact!
Anything is possible, read up lots on Bielsa, hes not had great success and if we dont sign his players like Lazio he will quit, but heres the thing i know leeds and Bielsa over and back alot agreeing terms so both sides covered that on both ends.

I think he is what we need though, we need a culture change and mentality change within the players, and Radrazzini will be reluctant to sack again so quickly, hopefully we get Abel Hernandez, Barkley and maybe stockdale although im hearing doubts about the later 2 with wage demands.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 19, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
Bielsa is a heavyweight manager in any company but he would not be coming to Leeds if his record in reason seasons, arguably going back to 2012, was anything other than disappointing. Given that he speaks practically no English, has never coached in Britain or taken charge of a lower division side anywhere else and has been handed a squad which desperately lacks quality at a club which has underachieved for 15 seasons, there is a possibility that it could be another disastrous appointment.

However, Leeds are at last displaying ambition by recruiting him and he has clearly been given assurances about an appropriate transfer budget. He will shake the place up, and either the players will reach the level he requires or they will be shipped out.

Leeds have sacked far too many managers in recent years, but, with the exception of Monk, none of them had a proper CV in the first place. Bielsa does, he will have a plan and he will demand that it is implemented or he will be off. It is not going to be dull, and Leeds fans have a realistic hope that a revival is on the way.



Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 20, 2018, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 19, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
Bielsa is a heavyweight manager in any company but he would not be coming to Leeds if his record in reason seasons, arguably going back to 2012, was anything other than disappointing. Given that he speaks practically no English, has never coached in Britain or taken charge of a lower division side anywhere else and has been handed a squad which desperately lacks quality at a club which has underachieved for 15 seasons, there is a possibility that it could be another disastrous appointment.

However, Leeds are at last displaying ambition by recruiting him and he has clearly been given assurances about an appropriate transfer budget. He will shake the place up, and either the players will reach the level he requires or they will be shipped out.

Leeds have sacked far too many managers in recent years, but, with the exception of Monk, none of them had a proper CV in the first place. Bielsa does, he will have a plan and he will demand that it is implemented or he will be off. It is not going to be dull, and Leeds fans have a realistic hope that a revival is on the way.

Agree totally with your point about too many managers getting the bullet - Bielsa is out tenth manager since 2014 and this coming season marks our fifth in a row that we're starting with a new manager. However I'd be interested in your take on 'CV', as I thought there were one or two others that had proven managerial pedigrees. Colin was one and I thought McDermott another, and I thought both got badly treated. Warnock in particular had a proven track record of getting clubs promoted from the Championship and to reinforce that, he did it again this year. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 20, 2018, 02:44:51 PM
It probably depends how far you go back, Rufus. Monk was probably the only Leeds manager from the last nine who had a CV at a decent level. The likes of Hockaday, Milanic, Evans, Christiansen and Heckingbottom were largely lower division journeymen or obscure figures from the smaller European leagues. Prior to their periods in charge, it is completely fair to say that Warnock and McDermott were harshly treated. The standard of football under Warnock was ordinary but he was never supported in the transfer market, while McDermott was stitched up when Cellino arrived as chairman. We are hopefully moving into a different era under Bilesa, but as we are all aware, you never really know what is coming around the corner at Elland Road.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on August 05, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
Good piece on Bielsa https://t.co/lHnr0GltXq
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 05, 2018, 11:15:00 PM
What a great start to the season. Over 34,000 present and played the favourites for the title, off the pitch. Well worth the win and could have been more than just 3-1. Roofe got Man of the Match, but I thought Saiz was excellent in what was a great team effort. The style of football was lovely, but the one thing that struck me was how small a lot of the team looked compared to their opponents. A lot of the experts reckon we are likely to be undone going forward by lack of strength in depth, but all in all a great start.  8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 05, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
WTF was that after match manager interview about?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on August 06, 2018, 06:42:04 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 05, 2018, 11:15:00 PM
What a great start to the season. Over 34,000 present and played the favourites for the title, off the pitch. Well worth the win and could have been more than just 3-1. Roofe got Man of the Match, but I thought Saiz was excellent in what was a great team effort. The style of football was lovely, but the one thing that struck me was how small a lot of the team looked compared to their opponents. A lot of the experts reckon we are likely to be undone going forward by lack of strength in depth, but all in all a great start.  8)
Lots of players look small compared to Shawcross and Crouch😜. Hope Leeds can do the business this season, would love to see them get promoted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 06, 2018, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 05, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
WTF was that after match manager interview about?

;D

Yes, up there with as bizarre as you are likely to see. Question asked in English. Translator whispers the question in Spanish into Bielsa's ear. Bielsa whispers back his response to the question, in Spanish. Translator then whispers back the translation of his response in English (which is audible) and then Bielsa attempts - with little success - to repeat what he has just heard.

Apparently Bielsa was determined to provide the answers himself but it makes for comic / painful viewing.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on August 06, 2018, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 06, 2018, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 05, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
WTF was that after match manager interview about?

;D

Yes, up there with as bizarre as you are likely to see. Question asked in English. Translator whispers the question in Spanish into Bielsa's ear. Bielsa whispers back his response to the question, in Spanish. Translator then whispers back the translation of his response in English (which is audible) and then Bielsa attempts - with little success - to repeat what he has just heard.

Apparently Bielsa was determined to provide the answers himself but it makes for comic / painful viewing.

Like something out of a Marx brothers film😂
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
Bielsa is anything but a caricature.
The Leeds players had best be prepared to give their upmost in each game and then some more. Bielsa's Athletic Bilbao against Man U in the Europa league was a masterclass, wonderful football,  the high press, close marking, quick counterattack, rapid  change of pace, it just demands an extraordinary physical and mental effort form the players. His Chile team with a young Sanchez were a refreshing sight to see at the 2010 World Cup, quick one twos and the counterattack was on, all players press forward the Chilean fans going ape, then all rush back when the ball was lost.. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 21, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/21/swansea-leeds-united-championship-match-report
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 21, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Will take a point. In contrast to other games, started off very slowly and were on the back foot for a lot of the game. Were behind twice but showed a bit of character to equalise each time. Think Cooper was a big loss. Bielsa showed he's not afraid to make a change. Philips taken off early and Roofe subbed after scoring. Bamford did well when he came on. Also like the look of young Shackleton.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on August 22, 2018, 01:21:49 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 21, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Will take a point. In contrast to other games, started off very slowly and were on the back foot for a lot of the game. Were behind twice but showed a bit of character to equalise each time. Think Cooper was a big loss. Bielsa showed he's not afraid to make a change. Philips taken off early and Roofe subbed after scoring. Bamford did well when he came on. Also like the look of young Shackleton.

I'd have been happy with a point at Swansea before the game started.  I like the cut of Potter's jib also. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2018, 08:07:14 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/blow-for-leeds-united-as-in-form-roofe-suffers-knee-injury-1.3628448
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 14, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2018, 08:07:14 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/blow-for-leeds-united-as-in-form-roofe-suffers-knee-injury-1.3628448

I sincerely hope that is not serious given that we have lost Bamford to injury for 4 months. I felt the small nature of the squad might ultimately be our undoing in the longer term, but it shows how things can turn quickly.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 14, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
Bielsa is plainly an outstanding coach who has improved a range of underachieving Leeds players beyond recognition.  Part of his philosophy for the club involves maintaining a totally committed but relatively small squad, and the present spate of injuries is going to seriously test his approach during a difficult trip to Millwall. He has been very unlucky to lose key men like Bamford, Roofe, Hernandez and Berardi in such quick succession, and his unbeaten league run will be under considerable threat. However, whatever happens tomorrow, the club is probably in its best shape since relegation from the premiership in 2004. We also know that it is never easy being a Leeds fan and more twists and turns can be expected for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 14, 2018, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 14, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
Bielsa is plainly an outstanding coach who has improved a range of underachieving Leeds players beyond recognition.  Part of his philosophy for the club involves maintaining a totally committed but relatively small squad, and the present spate of injuries is going to seriously test his approach during a difficult trip to Millwall. He has been very unlucky to lose key men like Bamford, Roofe, Hernandez and Berardi in such quick succession, and his unbeaten league run will be under considerable threat. However, whatever happens tomorrow, the club is probably in its best shape since relegation from the premiership in 2004. We also know that it is never easy being a Leeds fan and more twists and turns can be expected for the rest of the season.
Far too early to say this, last year I was at the burton 5-1 thrashing when we went 6W 2D 0L start and completely capitulate thereafter starting at Millwall away. Ironic that we play them on Saturday.

Losing Hernandez, Roofe and Bamford are huge, our creativity and finishing massively weakened. Cant see us scoring without them tbh. We are trouble I feel.

People need to remember Bielsa had 3 training sessions per day in preseason so we had a massive fitness advantage so far, that will even out soon and I seen signs of struggle against preston and Boro.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 14, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
Christiansen certainly had an excellent start last season but it only took a few games for opposing managers to work out that Leeds had a keeper who could not deal with crosses, a midfield which was incredibly lightweight and a forward line in which Lasogga could finish but refused to run and Ekuban was exactly the opposite.

Bielsa is in a different league as a coach, and has his squad playing somewhere close to the top of their ability. Grayson was probably the only other Leeds manager in the last 15 years who really made a sustained impact, and, unless the injuries get totally out of hand, there is every prospect that Bielsa will have a serious rattle at promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 14, 2018, 10:05:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 14, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
Christiansen certainly had an excellent start last season but it only took a few games for opposing managers to work out that Leeds had a keeper who could not deal with crosses, a midfield which was incredibly lightweight and a forward line in which Lasogga could finish but refused to run and Ekuban was exactly the opposite.

Bielsa is in a different league as a coach, and has his squad playing somewhere close to the top of their ability. Grayson was probably the only other Leeds manager in the last 15 years who really made a sustained impact, and, unless the injuries get totally out of hand, there is every prospect that Bielsa will have a serious rattle at promotion.
I still think its too early to judge and imo I hold Bielsa partly responsible for how wafer thin our squad is, Christiansen and Orta went too far with 2 players for every position but Bielsa I feel has gone too far with our numbers especially given how far he pushes players.

If we draw or beat Millwall then I'll take some notice but honestly I'm expecting us to get battered out the gate. Hope your right btw :D.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 14, 2018, 11:11:02 PM
Bielsa can only be properly judged at the end of the season but the indications are strongly positive at this stage. Leeds have had a tough series of early fixtures and are definitely ahead of schedule. Millwall is going to be a huge test and a point would be a big result in the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 15, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
A point was duly delivered through a dramatic 90th minute equaliser from Harrison, although Millwall then hit the post and had one kicked off the line in injury time. Bielsa had words with his Millwall counterpart as it all got a bit tasty along the way and it has to go down as an excellent result which keeps Leeds top of the league. We have drawn three of our last four games, which has allowed the chasing pack to narrow the gap in a very tight division, but we are still unbeaten and Bielsa's use of his subs made all the difference.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 15, 2018, 05:36:41 PM
Today was huge for me esp with who we were missing, Roberts missed some great chances and Cooper missed a sitter before we scored, better team for 90 mins but my heart in those last 5 mins was beating fast, every ball into our box looked like a goal, we held on and reacted well after there goal, need roofe and Hernandez back asap, Preston at home next who destroyed us in carling cup hopefully we will have learned alot then, great stuff
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 18, 2018, 09:28:45 PM
This performance against Preston tonight is the best I've seen from a Leeds team in years, high tempo, energy from start to finish, creating amazing chances from amazing football, and bullying them in defence. Outstanding. Missed easy chances the only negative. Unbelievable football at times. 3-0 currently.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 18, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
It was an outstanding performance, although there is a long way to go and we are probably better to avoid allowing expectations to get out of control at such an early stage in the season. However, the way Bielsa has adjusted to losing both our main strikers and our most creative midfielder, and brought in young replacements without any drop in standards so far, was hugely impressive.  There may still be a doubt about the overall strength of our squad but the manager has done an amazing job to date.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 19, 2018, 07:55:55 AM
Agree with the comments about the game, although in a strange way I was waiting for it all to go pear shaped, as we seemed to totally dominate, spurn a hatful of great chances, and therefore still only led by a single goal. The high energy and work rate though is something to behold!  :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 19, 2018, 09:41:46 AM
Leeds were top this day last season also.  And then ...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 19, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 19, 2018, 09:41:46 AM
Leeds were top this day last season also.  And then ...

Correct Billy. Indeed I was amazed to hear last weekend that this time last year we were actually two points better off than the same weekend in 2018.  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 19, 2018, 12:01:16 PM
It is correct that Leeds were top after seven games last year, with five wins and two draws, but they then went on a shocking run of seven defeats in nine games, and eventually finished among the also-rans. The previous season was far more disappointing, as they looked certain for the play-offs with five games left but then completely collapsed to end up seventh. It is inevitable that the club will hit a bad run at some stage this year, but the evidence is that Bielsa has put together a squad and a system which is more resilient that anything we have seen since relegation from the Premiership in 2004. While there are a mere 38 matches to go, the prospects at this stage are more than decent.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on September 22, 2018, 04:36:42 PM
Birmingham ffs😡
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on September 23, 2018, 10:31:00 AM
 ;D :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 23, 2018, 09:38:04 PM
Yesterday was the first genuinely poor performance of the season from Leeds, but a point could easily have been rescued had it not been for two pretty dreadful errors from the young keeper, Peacock-Farrell. He inexplicably managed to dive the wrong way for the first goal, and he appeared to be unsighted when the second trickled over the line. There must be a fair chance that Bielsa will bring in Blackman, who has been kept on the bench so far, for what will be a massive test in the derby away to Wednesday on Friday night. Leeds are probably surprised to be top of the league at this stage but it is a cut-throat division with only two points separating the top six.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 24, 2018, 07:47:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 23, 2018, 09:38:04 PM
Yesterday was the first genuinely poor performance of the season from Leeds, but a point could easily have been rescued had it not been for two pretty dreadful errors from the young keeper, Peacock-Farrell. He inexplicably managed to dive the wrong way for the first goal, and he appeared to be unsighted when the second trickled over the line. There must be a fair chance that Bielsa will bring in Blackman, who has been kept on the bench so far, for what will be a massive test in the derby away to Wednesday on Friday night. Leeds are probably surprised to be top of the league at this stage but it is a cut-throat division with only two points separating the top six.

Peacock-Farrell has been playing well to date. Apart from Saturday, the only goal I can recall being down to him was the free-kick that beat him at Derby. However he is unquestionably not the best goalkeeper at the Club. That honour belongs to Jamal Blackman and he needs to be starting sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2018, 09:58:03 AM
Wolves lost 7 matches last year and topped the table. 1 in 7 is decent form. 1 in 9 is quite good
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2018, 11:18:24 PM
Leeds would probably have taken a draw coming into the game this evening but should have won it pulling up on the night. Wednesday scored a wonder goal out of the blue and Leeds dominated otherwise. While it was a good statement after the Birmingham setback, and proved that the kind of collapse seen at this stage last season is highly unlikely, it was definitely two points dropped. However, we are back on track.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 01, 2018, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2018, 11:18:24 PM
Leeds would probably have taken a draw coming into the game this evening but should have won it pulling up on the night. Wednesday scored a wonder goal out of the blue and Leeds dominated otherwise. While it was a good statement after the Birmingham setback, and proved that the kind of collapse seen at this stage last season is highly unlikely, it was definitely two points dropped. However, we are back on track.

Agreed totally with this. The one concern for me was the lack of squad depth, but even taking that into account, we have been very unlucky to lose both Bamford and Roofe at the same time.

Hull City away next, and I assume available on the 'red button'? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 01, 2018, 03:00:30 PM
8 bloody 'derbies' this season - not healthy for any side, but good for the bank balance, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 01, 2018, 04:27:31 PM
Apparently every Leeds game on a Tuesday night for the rest of the season is available via the red button. We also have more games on the normal Sky Sports channels than any other side in our division, and quite a few in the premiership as well, proving again the scale of the club if Bielsa  can keep us going in the right direction.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on October 03, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45634936

Hull boss Nigel Adkins:

"We've probably played against one of the best teams in the Championship I've seen in many years.

"They are going to take teams to the cleaners this season. If you think we are on a level playing field, we're not.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on October 03, 2018, 09:14:43 PM
What planet's he on? Birmingham beat Leeds for their first win of the season and I can assure you we're no world-beater's.
Wolves last season were the best side I've seen in the Championship for a long time (you don't know how it grieves me to say this).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 19, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
As per, for those interested:



Bielsa's press conference starting. On the international break: "We had a group of players who needed to get some rest. Another group needed the opposite thing. The third group were the international players, who we need back."

Bielsa says Roofe, Hernandez and Berardi are all back and available for Blackburn.

Bielsa says Harrison is out of Blackburn. He has a muscular injury and will be back next week. Ayling (banned) and Douglas (hamstring) also missing

Bielsa on whether Pontus Jansson will figure, with his baby on the way: "We'll see what happens.

Bielsa on Jansson's post-match comments about Jeremy Simpson: "I would have preferred that Pontus didn't say that. The referee is a colleague of both teams. His task is very difficult. If we understand the role of the referee, we will help him."

Our role on the bench allows us more serenity. I think if Pontus had had time to think about it, he wouldn't have said the same thing. But I understand players when they make effort on the pitch and they think their treatment isn't fair."

Bielsa says he has been focusing on offensive work during the international break - on ways to open the opposition up. Says Blackburn have a "good balance between skills and being competitive

Asked Bielsa about the donation he's made to help fund a new training facility at Newell's Old boys. Says they're the "club who made me" and it's "me repaying a debt, not giving a donation.

Bielsa on whether Hernandez being back in the team could help Samuel Saiz: "Pablo has a positive influence on all of the team. Saiz is part of the team. They can be independent of each other



Saiz

Saiz up next. On his form this year compared to last: "I think this season I'm more collective. I'm less of an individual, I work more for the team. I don't score as many goals as I wish but I don't do the individual actions I used to do. I think I've improved on other aspects."

Saiz: "This year all the players are playing better. We combine better with the teammates. We have a different style of play. We always control the game. We want to be the protagonist in each game.

Saiz on whether it's difficult without Hernandez, in terms of creative responsibility: "When Pablo plays, I'm not always the player who receives the first pass. Pablo makes good movements to receive the first ball too. Of course I prefer that Pablo plays. I can have more freedom"

Saiz on the difficulties of last season: "Every year you have good moments and bad moments but when you play at Elland Road and you see all the fans supporting you, it gives you the strength to keep working and do better things.

Saiz admitted his motivation levels dropped last season when the play-offs got out of reach. Says he's been honest with himself about that. "It's a problem I can't have again."

Saiz says that last season, because opposition players didn't know him, he had more freedom. "This season I always have a marker on me. I'm always surrounded. This is football

Saiz: "I feel better because Marcelo made the whole team be more aggressive from a football point of view. We're aggressive playing football. We trust each other more. Thanks to all this is I feel more safe and I'm less aggressive - apart from the football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 19, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
I'm sitting happy, we had a tough run, we reacted well to going a goal down to Millwall compared to last year, Birmingham we didnt play well but did enough to deserve a draw, Hull win was huge but they were poor, for me losing roofe, hernandez, bamford etc.. would of buried us but this year we are pretty much unscathed, id expect us to go on a bit of roll now that roofe and hernandez are back. Ayling and harrison are a loss but berardi back to helps. Hopefully beat Blackburn on Sat, debating whether i get up at 4am saturday morning to watch it. Ironically most early kick offs i spontaneously wake up without an alarm just at kickoff. The wife isn't as impressed as I am with that ;D MOT
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
Leeds are apparently due to take 7,000 fans to Blackburn, the biggest away support in the division so far this season. However,  it is a 12 noon kick off and a bus and train strike has been called, so it could be bedlam on the way. Bielsa has a few big calls to make but is always decisive. Alioski could switch to left back with Berardi on the other side if Jansson is available in the middle. Hernandez and Dallas are the probable wide midfielders and there must be a chance that Roberts will be retained up front with Roofe kept on the bench.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 20, 2018, 08:46:10 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 19, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
I'm sitting happy.......for me losing roofe, hernandez, bamford etc.. would of buried us but this year we are pretty much unscathed,

I hope you don't mind me saying Sligonian but that is a definite 'glass half full' interpretation. Check out the link below which gives a great insight into recent form.

https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:6/type:home-and-away

Our recent form has us outside the play off places at the moment. I definitely think the missing players have had a major impact and getting them back is a necessity.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on October 20, 2018, 01:56:09 PM
Bad day at Blackrock😡
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 20, 2018, 02:11:26 PM
Was following the live updates on the BBC Sports page and Blackburn seemed worth their win, despite the fact Leeds had something like 68% possession. The Derby match seems a long time ago now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 21, 2018, 12:40:20 AM
Rufus was clearly correct to point out in advance that Leeds are on a poor run and we cannot complain about today's result. Leeds were extremely fortunate to be level at HT and, while we improved considerably in the second half, we need to start picking up a couple of wins urgently. The back to back home games coming up against Ipswich and Forest are starting to look crucial.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 11, 2018, 09:22:57 PM
This season is clearly going to be a white knuckle ride for Leeds and yesterday was by some distance the worst performance to date. While West Brom are a decent side, Leeds made it very easy for them by repeatedly giving the ball away in key areas. Bielsa has stayed strongly loyal to his main players but the two NI internationals, Peacock- Farrell and Dallas, are likely to be heading for a spell on the bench.  Alioski has also been ineffective so, with back to back home games coming up after the international break against struggling opposition in Bristol City and Reading, a couple of changes could get us up and running again.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 11, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
Leeds started the season playing a really high intensity high pressing game, turning over possession high up the pitch and scoring loads of goals. Teams seem to have copped on to this and are letting them have possession. Their possession stats in recent weeks have been ridiculous- 70% or so v West Brom. At the minute they seem to be struggling to make the best use of the possession they have.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2018, 07:58:07 AM
I think scoring options are quite poor at the moment. The loss of Bamford was huge and has come to really bite us now that Roofe's goals have dried up. Alioski is contributing little as well. Ayling is a huge loss as Dallas to me doesn't look up to this standard. I'd accept that Peacock-Farrell got off to a good start this season but I've always been of the opinion that Jamal Blackman is the best keeper at the Club, and by some distance. Peacock-Farrell's mistake on Saturday evening was the moment any possibility of a comeback was gone. Overall a poor performance with Forshaw - IMHO - the best Leeds' player on the pitch by a country mile.

I'm open to correction on this, but I think in a recent interview Bielsa suggested that there would not be heavy spending in January, but to my mind fresh blood in will be essential, particularly as our competitors will also be investing and the shallow nature of our squad leaves us vulnerable when we get one or two injuries. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 19, 2018, 10:52:34 AM
To follow up my own post previously, I see that Jamal Blackman suffered a broken leg playing for the Under 23s and has now returned to Chelsea. That represents a significant blow as I felt he would have been in line to challenge Peacock-Farrell for the number one spot, at a time when Peacock-Farrell is beginning to show frailties. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 26, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Important three points at the weekend although made hard work of it. Only began dominating when Bristol City went down to ten men. Next up is Reading at home (tomorrow night) which is a game we need to be winning.

The injury list is a cause for concern, as the depth of the squad is not great. There were two debutants on Saturday - Will Huffer in goals and Aapo Halme in defence. The tougher games are likely to expose inexperience, so be very interested to see if there is further investment in January.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2018, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2018, 07:58:07 AM
I think scoring options are quite poor at the moment. The loss of Bamford was huge and has come to really bite us now that Roofe's goals have dried up. Alioski is contributing little as well. Ayling is a huge loss as Dallas to me doesn't look up to this standard. I'd accept that Peacock-Farrell got off to a good start this season but I've always been of the opinion that Jamal Blackman is the best keeper at the Club, and by some distance. Peacock-Farrell's mistake on Saturday evening was the moment any possibility of a comeback was gone. Overall a poor performance with Forshaw - IMHO - the best Leeds' player on the pitch by a country mile.

I'm open to correction on this, but I think in a recent interview Bielsa suggested that there would not be heavy spending in January, but to my mind fresh blood in will be essential, particularly as our competitors will also be investing and the shallow nature of our squad leaves us vulnerable when we get one or two injuries.
According to this website TV money is  77m in the premiership

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/premier-league-prize-money/

The return on capital on say 15m would be great.
On the other hand Bielsa is a top manager. Maybe Leeds have a 3 year plan and the goal for the team this year is experience. A long term plan is more likely to deliver sustainable results.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 26, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 26, 2018, 01:06:25 PM
On the other hand Bielsa is a top manager. Maybe Leeds have a 3 year plan and the goal for the team this year is experience. A long term plan is more likely to deliver sustainable results.

I'm never sure about long term plans in the Championship. The whole league is so fluid, with teams dropping down from the Premier League with their parachute payments, that it is difficult to plan effectively on a long term basis. Essentially, the time is now and I'd be keen that every effort be put in to making it happen this year, particularly as we have a brilliant manager, a decent squad and have got off to a good start.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 26, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 26, 2018, 01:06:25 PM
On the other hand Bielsa is a top manager. Maybe Leeds have a 3 year plan and the goal for the team this year is experience. A long term plan is more likely to deliver sustainable results.

I'm never sure about long term plans in the Championship. The whole league is so fluid, with teams dropping down from the Premier League with their parachute payments, that it is difficult to plan effectively on a long term basis. Essentially, the time is now and I'd be keen that every effort be put in to making it happen this year, particularly as we have a brilliant manager, a decent squad and have got off to a good start.
On that basis, Rufus, one would expect a few purchases in the next window
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on December 01, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-goalkeeping-howler-sends-leeds-united-top-championship-401968?fbclid=IwAR3CuOaJsQ2ydt95LgLqDxJCswbN7GEzGl0YDy5FJjt9zYSGpRbgi0tP3Go (https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-goalkeeping-howler-sends-leeds-united-top-championship-401968?fbclid=IwAR3CuOaJsQ2ydt95LgLqDxJCswbN7GEzGl0YDy5FJjt9zYSGpRbgi0tP3Go)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 01, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Tight match in which the ref came in for a bit of criticism. Sheffield United could very easily have had two players sent off in the first half. Thought a draw - which would probably have been the fairest result - was nailed on until the keeper's mistake. I'll take it.

The injury to Cooper looked bad and leaves a huge hole in the defence. Halme replaced him in defence and I thought looked quite assured until he made a terrible error on a straightforward clearance and was bailed out by the keeper. Speaking of the keeper, he made a couple of good saves but is very unsure under the high ball. We need cover there. Alioski is playing terribly and was replaced by Clark who looked very promising. The best player on the pitch was Philips.

First win at Bramall Lane since that famous day in May 1992 and things definitely looking up, but really think there has to be further investment if these injuries are not to take a toll that is fatal to the chances of promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on December 03, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
Despite the wobble and the injuries Leeds are one point off the top and 4 points ahead of the next best placed team.
Not bad. I am sure fans would have taken that last August.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 09, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
We are not quite at the half way stage but to put together four wins in a row, with only one goal conceded, coming up to the Christmas period is excellent form. What is probably even more impressive is that the results have been achieved with a long injury list, with Shackleton coming in as effectively the fourth choice right back yesterday and reportedly having a stormer. Bielsa has a very well drilled squad, the players stick to a plan and the points are being steadiy gathered. They are grinding out performances, rather than blowing teams away, and Leeds fans are well used to seeing promising positions fade away, but the omens are alll good and it is largely down to an outstanding manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 10, 2018, 03:37:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 09, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
We are not quite at the half way stage but to put together four wins in a row, with only one goal conceded, coming up to the Christmas period is excellent form. What is probably even more impressive is that the results have been achieved with a long injury list, with Shackleton coming in as effectively the fourth choice right back yesterday and reportedly having a stormer. Bielsa has a very well drilled squad, the players stick to a plan and the points are being steadiy gathered. They are grinding out performances, rather than blowing teams away, and Leeds fans are well used to seeing promising positions fade away, but the omens are alll good and it is largely down to an outstanding manager.
with the pts we have now only one of the last 16 teams in similar position haven't gone up
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 10, 2018, 11:42:02 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 09, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
We are not quite at the half way stage but to put together four wins in a row, with only one goal conceded, coming up to the Christmas period is excellent form. What is probably even more impressive is that the results have been achieved with a long injury list, with Shackleton coming in as effectively the fourth choice right back yesterday and reportedly having a stormer. Bielsa has a very well drilled squad, the players stick to a plan and the points are being steadiy gathered. They are grinding out performances, rather than blowing teams away, and Leeds fans are well used to seeing promising positions fade away, but the omens are alll good and it is largely down to an outstanding manager.

Yes, things are indeed looking up, but I'll confess that - as many self-respecting Leeds' fans will do - I can't help but look at the half empty glass sitting on the table.

We are experiencing an incredible amount of injuries and I'm convinced they will impact sooner rather than later, particularly given the sahllow nature of our squad. As an example (and sorry to sound like a broken record), we lost Jamal Blackman recently which leaves BPF as undisputed number one, and he is not a keeper who fills me with confidence.

With Bielsa, we have a world class coach, and it is clear he is doing an awful lot to keep things going. However he has already said that he cannot see us making any additions in the transfer window and that would be a real concern, given the injuries.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 10, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
Paddy Power now has Leeds at 8/15 to go up but long suffering fans will recall previous sudden and dramatic reversals of fortune. As recently as 2016/17, the club had been in the top three or four for practically the entire season, and looked nailed on for the play-offs, with even a late run for automatic promotion not out of the question. Instead, a couple of poor results  as well as a spate of injuries and suspensions, resulted in an eventual collapse to seventh place. It is difficult to see Bielsa allowing a repetition but a modest investment in January could take us a long way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 11, 2018, 09:34:17 AM
Jaysus, this much positivity can only end one way ...  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on December 11, 2018, 11:38:28 AM
Mullaneacta won so miracle can happen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 11, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 11, 2018, 09:34:17 AM
Jaysus, this much positivity can only end one way ...  :o

;D

My Leeds' positivity always gives me negative vibes!!    :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 16, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
Leeds have had a favourable run of fixtures, and are certainly not playing sparkling football, but five wins in a row with only one goal conceded is very impressive form coming up to Christmas. It has also been achieved with a long list of unavailable players, with the latest, Saiz, a talented but erratic figure, heading back to Spain for the rest of the season. The trip to Villa this day week is a massive one, and marks the half way point of the season, but all the pressure is on them while a draw would suit Leeds nicely. What gives confidence is the total belief the entire squad has in Bielsa and his methods.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2018, 07:03:07 PM
Elderly Leeds fans need to check their blood pressure these days as Bielsa has turned us into an indomitable outfit. Two down after 15 minutes away to a club with a massive budget, a long injury list stretched further with Bamford dropping out this morning and Douglas taking ill in the warm-up, and a hiding looking on the cards - not a problem in the end with Roofe's 95th minute winner climaxing a tremendous comeback. It's still only half way through the league, and every Leeds season generally has a calamity at some stage, but the quality of the younger players coming through mixed with the huge improvement among the established figures can take us a long way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 26, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2018, 07:03:07 PM
Elderly Leeds fans need to check their blood pressure these days as Bielsa has turned us into an indomitable outfit. Two down after 15 minutes away to a club with a massive budget, a long injury list stretched further with Bamford dropping out this morning and Douglas taking ill in the warm-up, and a hiding looking on the cards - not a problem in the end with Roofe's 95th minute winner climaxing a tremendous comeback. It's still only half way through the league, and every Leeds season generally has a calamity at some stage, but the quality of the younger players coming through mixed with the huge improvement among the established figures can take us a long way.

You are not wrong!!

Watched today's game on the red button on Sky and my heart rate has still not returned to normal.

Dominated the game but could not put Blackburn away and when we conceded in the 89th minute I felt sure we were goosed. However 'indomitable' is the word as we came rushing back in the closing minutes to snatch the points with two injury time goals.

The team is playing well, with confidence, and the young players coming in are doing the business, to help negate the impact of a worrying injury list. However I thought Peacock-Farrell was culpable for their second today, from a long range free-kick, and it is one area that needs looked at. I note we are being linked with Karl Darlow of Newcastle United, so it suggests that the issue has been recognised. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on December 26, 2018, 06:35:52 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/kemar-roofe-leeds-goals-time-turnaround-403513?fbclid=IwAR2DkCZkP5Tu3C-D2VX6A_fODqCbQE3h5QwLVl3llaIzDIEBLfdt6Q6cQZk (https://www.balls.ie/football/kemar-roofe-leeds-goals-time-turnaround-403513?fbclid=IwAR2DkCZkP5Tu3C-D2VX6A_fODqCbQE3h5QwLVl3llaIzDIEBLfdt6Q6cQZk)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 26, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
This is a marathon division, and with 22 games left anything can still happen, but there can be no doubt that Bielsa's seven consecutive wins have steered the club into a strong position. We know that we could just as easily have had seven draws, and several of the recent matches could even have been lost, but a run like that does not happen by accident, and we have a squad which never panics, knows it will finish games strongly and has total belief in its manager and his his methods. While there are still questions over the keeper and the quality of the bench, long suffering Leeds fans are entitled to enjoy the last few weeks while accepting that tougher times lie ahead.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 27, 2018, 10:03:10 AM
Leeds were the best side i've seen at Villa Park in recent years. Villa were very lucky to have been 2 goals up because from about the tenth minute onwards it was all Leeds. Their width and overlaps, along with their high energy, caused problems all day. Fair play to them.  I hope it can be sustained and they finally get back to the PL.  The PL needs more teams like Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 02, 2019, 09:06:02 AM
Back to back defeats have started to reawaken old fears of a familiar mid season collapse, so we are entering now a very important transfer window for the Club. We have been undone by a terrible run of injuries, and some bad individual errors and indeed bad luck are beginning to impact. Over the Christmas period, we shipped 10 goals, and but for two stunning comebacks against Blackburn and Villa, we could be conceivably be talking about four defeats in a row.

The loss of Cooper and Berardi at the centre of the defence is having an impact. Phillips has been moved back as a stop gap, which is robbing midfield. We are also suffering from the loss of Bamford up front which is denying a second source of goals. The keeper - and apologies for sounding like a broken record - is becoming a real issue. He was culpable for Forest's decisive third goal yesterday and I think his hesitancy compounded Forshaw's error for the first goal. Leeds can also lament some bad luck, as I thought Forest should have been reduced to ten men when Harrison was brought down when clean through. That was a red card all day long.


A new goalkeeper is an absolute priority. Defensive cover is also required to shore up the defence and an attacking option should be considered, given Bamford's long term injury woes. The good news is we're still top, with Norwich and WBA also hitting turbulence, and in each of the defeats Leeds dominated with more of the ball, more shots, more shots on goal etc. The next few months are obviously huge and in that context, taking a spill at QPR this weekend with a weakened team, would be far from a disaster.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 02, 2019, 12:13:32 PM
It's pretty obvious that a new keeper will be arriving, but, although a strong case can be made for at least two outfield additions, Bielsa has a philosophy based on a tight, highly motivated squad in which everyone knows their job and is capable of covering other positions. There are risks involved but his approach has served Leeds well so far and he is unlikely to change it at this stage. Leeds were genuinely unlucky yesterday and, if they display the same spirit and commitment, will soon start picking up points again. The next two league games are tough ones, at home to Derby and away to Stoke, but this division was always likely to go to the wire.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 02, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
I see Leeds being linked with Hoffenheim's Swiss international midfielder, Steven Zuber, although there are some doubts as to whether he would be prepared to play in the second tier of English football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 03, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
Let's be honest here - they are not playing that well recently, but as you say, neither is anyone else (consistently).  I reckon there are still 10 teams in the promotion race in the division, and there are no easy points.  The main worry for me is that this young squad will run out of energy in the next few months, and they will miss Philips in the middle now with the suspension. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 03, 2019, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 03, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
Let's be honest here - they are not playing that well recently, but as you say, neither is anyone else (consistently).  I reckon there are still 10 teams in the promotion race in the division, and there are no easy points.  The main worry for me is that this young squad will run out of energy in the next few months, and they will miss Philips in the middle now with the suspension.

If they're not playing well I'd hate to see them firing on all cylinders!!
Leeds play a brand of high pressure football that's very hard to beat but it's also very demanding. A large squad is nearly essential for the Championship at that's just to stay competitive. The next month/six weeks will tell a tale.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 07, 2019, 10:00:40 AM
Quite indifferent to yesterday's loss, which is a reflection not just on the continued loss of status of a once great competition, but the much more urgent priorities that Leeds have. The relatively small nature of the squad, together with the energy sapping high pressing game, and the relentless injury list, means that a couple of weekend breaks over January and February will be very beneficial. Indeed the team played yesterday was far from the strongest available which suggests that management will not be having any sleepless nights either.

Huge match coming up on Friday. Appreciate the transfer window still has some way to run, but would like to see some additions sooner rather than later, given the importance of the upcoming games. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: extra time on January 07, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
Peacock-Farrell had a stormer yesterday and saved Leeds from a bigger defeat.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 11, 2019, 01:44:59 PM
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2019/01/club-statement-3

I see Leeds were bold boys and were out snooping on the opposition ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 11, 2019, 10:56:12 PM
Shenanigans afoot. Derby City rightfully not happy.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
Peacock Farrell with a lousy action as well... Biesla pretty brazen about it as well I hope they get the book thrown at them!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2019, 12:18:54 AM
Keeping an eye on the opposition preparations may be sharp practice but is hardly unknown - an unlikely figure was found engaging in it before a not so distant All Ireland final involving an Ulster county. While Peacock Farrell deserved to concede a penalty and probably a red card, the Sky coverage proved that Leeds were deprived of two blatant spot kicks at the other end. Bielsa was wrong to ask someone to stand outside the fence and see what was going on at Derby's training ground but any advantage gained was pretty marginal. Derby were played off the park all night in any event, and Bielsa will take what will probably be a large fine on the chin.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: No1 on January 16, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
Bielsa gone?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2019, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 16, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
Bielsa gone?

Looking like it!!!

Just when you thought Leeds had gotten their act together!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 16, 2019, 04:36:47 PM
Surely not...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on January 16, 2019, 04:43:03 PM
I'd say he will leave. It's not going to be to have a meeting to apologise. The FA investigating the spying and looking messy. A shame for Leeds, he was the best manager for them in a good while.

Hopefully they don't go into freefall for rest of season. In a great position.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 16, 2019, 04:50:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxC35iRX4AEbCyk.jpg)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2019, 05:18:31 PM
Fair play . . . he's a character anyway!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on January 16, 2019, 07:03:47 PM
 ;D

Seems like a rocket but good craic.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on January 16, 2019, 08:01:03 PM
A manager who studies opposition teams....well I never. Jermaine Jenas take a redner 😂
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: No1 on January 16, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
 ;D What a guy!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: mrdeeds on January 16, 2019, 08:39:31 PM
MB to conclude: "We look at Stoke and it's hard as the new coach has had 3 games. So we analysed the 26 games he (Nathan Jones) had at Luton." #lufc
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 17, 2019, 08:01:40 AM
Didn't seem possible, but he's gone up even further in the estimation of the fan base.

I note an interesting quote from Frank Lampard,

"Yeah [everyone does research] it's really simple. It's probably a nice eye-opener for the fan to see it because most of this stuff happens behind closed doors. But they are done everywhere, there's no amazement from anyone who works in football."

which would be the equivalent of me saying that I too play snooker when asked to comment on a Ronnie O'Sullivan 147! 

However it does beg the question as to why he got his knickers in such a twist last week when the issue first come out.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/16/marcelo-bielsa-leeds-spied-every-opponent

Marcelo Bielsa admits Leeds have spied on every opponent this season
• Manager says it is not illegal but not necessarily right
• Bielsa insists he had no bad intentions or wish to cheat

Louise Taylor
Wed 16 Jan 2019 17.41 GMT Last modified on Thu 17 Jan 2019 00.30 GMT


Marcelo Bielsa explains in his press conference his tactical analysis of opponents this season. Photograph: Mark Walker/PA
Marcelo Bielsa has admitted Leeds United have spied on all their opponents this season but remains adamant no specific rules were broken and believes he is guilty of stupidity rather than cheating.
"I observed all the rivals we played against and watched the training sessions of all opponents," said the Leeds manager in the course of an extraordinary, unscheduled, press conference cum coaching masterclass at the club's training headquarters near Wetherby.
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"So why did I send someone to watch them? Just because I thought I wasn't violating the norm. All the information I need to clarify [my tactics] I gather without watching the training session of the opponent ... but we feel guilty if we don't work enough. Watching it [the opponents training] allows us to have less anxiety and, in my case, I am stupid enough to allow this kind of behaviour."
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about Elland Road's "Spygate" furore is that Bielsa's Championship leaders have been able to deploy such clandestine tactics undetected for more than half a season.
The former Argentina and Chile manager was finally prompted to address the issue last Friday when, shortly before Leeds beat Frank Lampard's Derby County 2-0 in West Yorkshire, the Midlands club revealed that police had apprehended a suspicious person outside their training ground on Thursday. Bielsa immediately acknowledged he was a member of his backroom staff.
Although the man was released without charge, it transpired he had been equipped with pliers, binoculars and disguised clothing. "Cheating is a big word but this is over the line," said Lampard, who revealed that, before Derby lost 4-1 to Leeds earlier in the season a man was spotted lurking in the bushes outside his training ground. "I'd rather not coach than send people undercover on their hands and knees in the undergrowth," added the former England midfielder.
The Football League and Football Association responded by launching investigations but, given that there are no precise rules governing footballing espionage, it is difficult to see exactly what punishment they can impose on Leeds and Bielsa without stepping into a legal minefield. Even so, the EFL has asked Elland Road executives for their observations and, once a response is received, will decide if there has been a contravention of the League's charter and whether to issue charges against Leeds and/or their manager.



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Marcelo Bielsa said: 'I observed all the rivals we played against. We watched all the training sessions before we played them.' Photograph: Paul Childs/Action Images
If any charges are proven, the League – liasing closely with the FA – believe the "full range of sanctions" could potentially be applied. These range from a slap on the wrist to expulsion from the league, although no one is suggesting that the latter scenario - or a points deduction – are likely.
Nonetheless Leeds made a point of issuing a swift, formal, apology to Derby on Saturday and Bielsa has evidently deemed it politic to adopt a conciliatory tone while opting for total honesty.
"I'm going to make it easier for the EFL investigation," said the 63-year-old Argentinian, speaking via a translator. "My behaviour is observed from the most extreme position. By doing this I respect the possible sanctions by the authorities."
Significantly he declined to use the precedent of past incidents of football managers spying on opponents – a practice that, as recently as Friday, he maintained is the norm across South America – as a defence and appeared to accept that a certain moral ambiguity underpinned such subterfuge. "I don't want to make it easier for me by attacking others," he said.
"Regarding what I've done it is not illegal. It's not specified, described or restrained. It's not seen as a good thing but it is not a violation of the law. Although not illegal it's not necessarily the right thing to do. But the wrong things you do are not done with bad intention or an intention to cheat.
In the course of the media briefing, Bielsa also treated assembled journalists to a PowerPoint presentation designed to detail how much preparation and analysis he and his staff devote to each opponent - before spies are deployed and their reports compiled.
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Regardless of information received from undercover operatives, the Leeds manager spends countless hours analysing opponent's previous matches. Citing Derby as an example, he revealed his research on the exact number of times Lampard had utilised particular formations, which players he had deployed in different positions and the identification of opposing formations they had struggled against.
If the underlying message was that Bielsa's meticulous attention to the small print would almost certainly have helped transport Leeds to the top of the table without any spying, it
More pertinent though is the question of how lawyers will interpret his actions in relation to EFL Regulation 3.4 which states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith."
Then there is the similarly rather woolly EFL Regulation 21 which states that managers must not bring the League or any club into "disrepute."
It seems Bielsa's answer attributed what had happened to cultural misunderstanding. "If you observe something without authorisation we call it spying," he said. "I'm going to try and explain I did not have bad intentions. I did not try to get an unfair sporting advantage but I did it because it was not illegal or violating specific laws. But I have to adapt to the habits of English football."Lampard later admitted he had yet to see Bielsa's explanation. "It's a funny one for me because I don't really want to speak too much," he said after Derby's win over Southampton. "I've said quite a lot at the weekend. It is what it is now. We all know what's been happening across the board. It's a league issue now. It's our league, it's every team. So it's up to them to decide what goes from now."
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 01, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
Big result for Leeds tonight after the QPR setback - the BBC R5 profile last night confirmed what an amazing coach Bielsa is.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2019, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 01, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
Big result for Leeds tonight after the QPR setback - the BBC R5 profile last night confirmed what an amazing coach Bielsa is.

Typical Leeds. I went into that WBA match fearing the worst, particularly in light of our recent run of form, and was knocked over by a performance that was as good as I can remember since the halcyon days of the League Title in 1991/92 - it was that good.

The important thing now is to try and build on that. If it can instill confidence and self-belief into the players, and put a bit of energy into the weary limbs, then automatic promotion might yet be achievable. The Sheffield United match coming up is already looking huge! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 04, 2019, 11:01:51 AM
It's hard to understand how they can have two such contrasting performances within 3 days of each other.  This is going to be typically nail-biting stuff.  Again. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 04, 2019, 12:14:40 PM
A Sheff Wed win tonight would be nice for Leeds
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 04, 2019, 12:18:59 PM
Well nobody said being a Leeds supporter was going to be all fun and games.


Must have got a new spy.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 04, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2019, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 01, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
Big result for Leeds tonight after the QPR setback - the BBC R5 profile last night confirmed what an amazing coach Bielsa is.

Typical Leeds. I went into that WBA match fearing the worst, particularly in light of our recent run of form, and was knocked over by a performance that was as good as I can remember since the halcyon days of the League Title in 1991/92 - it was that good.

The important thing now is to try and build on that. If it can instill confidence and self-belief into the players, and put a bit of energy into the weary limbs, then automatic promotion might yet be achievable. The Sheffield United match coming up is already looking huge!

St Andrew's awaits  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2019, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 04, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
St Andrew's awaits  ;)

As does Ashton Gate and Deepdale - there are dangers everywhere!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 04, 2019, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2019, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on March 04, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
St Andrew's awaits  ;)

As does Ashton Gate and Deepdale - there are dangers everywhere!!
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If Leeds can keep playing the way they did against the Baggies I think automatic promotion is well within their reach.
However, on a purely selfish note I wouldn't like to see any of the top three teams promoted; they're "proper" football clubs and are what makes the Championship the most competitive  league in England.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 04, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
Very, very few gimmes in the Championship.

Two local derbies left.  Lots of fixtures left that could lose Leeds points. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 05, 2019, 09:10:26 PM
We hung in there for a few weeks, some terrible performances against bolton and swansea and then QPR was were it just blew apart but in typical Leeds style we play unreal against WBA. Its hard to know where we stand but Bristol away is huge, in fact theres no easy games as said already but if get a bit of momentum off the WBA win we could push on hopefully. It will be unpredictable. Sheff Utd at Home is huge. Exciting but also nerve wracking, looks like going down to the wire. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Two of the three big games now gone and six points accumulated. It couldn't have gone any better than that.  :)

Leeds though are nothing if not consistent in their inconsistency and so the fixture away to Reading tomorrow night carries huge importance as well. It is vital to not take the eye off that fixture and thinking ahead to Saturday. A win there would be a great way to go into the Sheffield United game which is as big a fixture as Leeds have had since relegation from the Premier League fifteen years ago. If we could then beat Sheffield United, we would have a minimum of five points to spare over the Blades as we enter a two week rest period, before the final eight matches come up across April. One thing is for sure - the run in is not going to be easy on the emotions!!   :-\

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 11, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Two of the three big games now gone and six points accumulated. It couldn't have gone any better than that.  :)

Leeds though are nothing if not consistent in their inconsistency and so the fixture away to Reading tomorrow night carries huge importance as well. It is vital to not take the eye off that fixture and thinking ahead to Saturday. A win there would be a great way to go into the Sheffield United game which is as big a fixture as Leeds have had since relegation from the Premier League fifteen years ago. If we could then beat Sheffield United, we would have a minimum of five points to spare over the Blades as we enter a two week rest period, before the final eight matches come up across April. One thing is for sure - the run in is not going to be easy on the emotions!!   :-\
I just seen on twitter that the ref tomorrow is the same ref who sent off Jansson at stoke for falling over, hes also took 14 steps for a free kick against Leeds for the wall in that game, so I am concerned.

3 horse race now
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 13, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
Big win last night, on a bit of roll, but Sheff Utd were down to 10 men and brentford had about 20 shots to their 10 and they still win 2-0, but anyways they wont be easy beaten,

Biggest game in 15 yrs, most definitely so, can create a 5 pt gap and would be a sucker punch. A draw not the end of the world.

Have to get up at 5.30am to watch it here in Vancouver.  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on March 13, 2019, 04:48:00 PM
I'd take this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WNqAJCxyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WNqAJCxyU)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 13, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: cornerback on March 13, 2019, 04:48:00 PM
I'd take this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WNqAJCxyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WNqAJCxyU)
Honestly though those goals we scored were jammy as hell, and the sheff keeper looked like he was paid off and that defender. Looks suspect to me looking at that. But yes I would take it ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2019, 10:37:05 PM
A massive win for Leeds today means that ten points from the last four games will take us up. Sheffield United definitely have the easier run in, but they have lost momentum and picked up key injuries as well as the suspension of Egan. However, strange things can happen when the pressure is really on and it will probably go to the last game. While Leeds are not short on quality, winning a match by a comfortable margin has not often been possible. The closing stages of our remaining fixtures are not going to be good for the nerves.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2019, 10:37:05 PM
A massive win for Leeds today means that ten points from the last four games will take us up.

Given all that has happened, I'm delighted to be in this position, but I genuinely think we would struggle to get ten points from those fixtures. As you mentioned, the likelihood is that we will be depending on the Blades to drop a few points to secure automatic promotion.

One game at a time therefore - Sheffield United play earlier, which will allow Leeds to know where they stand for the later kick-off against Wigan.

I've actually got butterflies typing this!   :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2019, 07:55:36 AM
2 losses in 4 days . 54 shots and 1 goal.

Derby in the playoff semis per the Telegraph
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 23, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2019, 07:55:36 AM
2 losses in 4 days . 54 shots and 1 goal.

Derby in the playoff semis per the Telegraph

Born or Bristol are still in with a shout. It would be mad to think that Derby or the likes could end up 14-15 points behind Leeds and beat them in the playoffs and get promoted....though I have to say I'd like to see Derby go up as Harry Wilson has had a good season for them and I'd like to see him loaned to them again next year if they go up
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2019, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 23, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2019, 07:55:36 AM
2 losses in 4 days . 54 shots and 1 goal.

Derby in the playoff semis per the Telegraph

Born or Bristol are still in with a shout. It would be mad to think that Derby or the likes could end up 14-15 points behind Leeds and beat them in the playoffs and get promoted....though I have to say I'd like to see Derby go up as Harry Wilson has had a good season for them and I'd like to see him loaned to them again next year if they go up
Very disappointing for Leeds though to be in the automatic places for over 30 weeks and to lapse right at the end
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 23, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
Quote2 losses in 4 days . 54 shots and 1 goal.

And 70% possession in both games.  Making tonnes of chances but not taking them.  Same against Sheffield Wednesday, but got a goal.  They are extremely vulnerable when they lose possession - a Bielsa trademark.  I have officially given up at this stage.   :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 23, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
Quote2 losses in 4 days . 54 shots and 1 goal.

And 70% possession in both games.  Making tonnes of chances but not taking them.  Same against Sheffield Wednesday, but got a goal.  They are extremely vulnerable when they lose possession - a Bielsa trademark.  I have officially given up at this stage.   :(

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/22/brentford-vs-leeds-championship-live-score-goal-updates

"Now, barring a mathematical miracle in Leeds' favour, Sheffield United only have to beat relegated Ipswich at Bramall Lane on Saturday evening to return to the Premier League. That would consign Leeds to the play-offs, which have not been kind to them. They have failed to advance through the end-of-season lottery in four attempts and Leeds manager Marcelo Bielsa warned that his team must overcome their wastefulness in front of goal to progress.
"This is the summary of our season, many chances to score compared to the goals we actually score," he said. "If we had normal efficiency we would have 10 or 12 points more. That is not the case so we have to put all our energy in the option we still have."
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 23, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Bielsa is a coaching genius who has improved almost every player at  Leeds beyond recognition. He clearly believes in keeping a tight squad in which every member knows his role in a high pressing style, and the result is the club's best season in the last 15 years. The frustration is that a relatively small additional investment could have secured automatic promotion, although he was genuinely unlucky that the deal agreed with Swansea for Daniel James collapsed right on the January deadline leaving no time to find an alternative. While dropping into the play-offs will be mentally tough, Leeds look certain to finish third and then have the advantage of the second leg at home against Derby, Bristol City or Middlesbrough, leaving the tougher pairing of WBA and Aston Villa on the other side of the draw. A place in the final would be massive, although only the best form from the first half of the season would be good enough for the ultimate prize.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 25, 2019, 12:43:36 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 23, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Bielsa is a coaching genius who has improved almost every player at  Leeds beyond recognition.

Of that there is no doubt. However Bielsa now has a much tougher job on his hands as the Club looks forward to their most important fixtures in the best part of a decade. That is of course man management - how does he reinvigorate / motivate players whose confidence seems to be very low. I was working on Good Friday, so did not see the Wigan disaster. I followed it though on the BBC live updates and they referred to the confidence falling out of the Leeds' players after the opening Wigan goal. There was plenty of evidence of something similar early on against Brentford.

It was a disastrous weekend and such a promising season now looks as if it could end in dust. How did it come to this? In terms of football played, little over a match and a half ago, everything seemed on course for the ultimate success - leading 1-0 against 10 man Wigan, at home, and having 70%+ of the play. I'd have to say that my sense is that there have been questions asked of the players' character and they have responded miserably. As the English like to say, they've bottled it and big time.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest room for optimism. Villa have gone on a winning streak that breaks a record that has stood for 109 years, whereas our players look bereft of confidence and self-belief. The immediate priority is to get the three points needed to ensure third place and an 'easier draw' and then hope that we can get through two legs and face the Villa juggernaut in a one off match where hopefully anything can happen.

Not good.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 25, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Yes Villa are flying but i'll be honest I wanted Sheff Utd to be in the playoffs instead of Leeds.  Leeds have been the best side to come to Villa Park this season. I also expect a few players to be rested on Sunday following their 10 in a row exploits. Abraham is gonna miss it with a shoulder problem anyway. Grealish could be rested and possibly McGinn too as he is close to the 15 yellow cards.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on April 25, 2019, 01:44:27 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on April 25, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Yes Villa are flying but i'll be honest I wanted Sheff Utd to be in the playoffs instead of Leeds.  Leeds have been the best side to come to Villa Park this season. I also expect a few players to be rested on Sunday following their 10 in a row exploits. Abraham is gonna miss it with a shoulder problem anyway. Grealish could be rested and possibly McGinn too as he is close to the 15 yellow cards.

McGinn is on 13 yellows so he could play against Leeds and then rest against Norwich if he picks up a 14th vs Leeds. Slate is wiped before the playoffs so he may as well be on 14 cards as 13.
I expect Grealish to be left off on Sunday. Maybe Mings too. Likes of Bjarnesson, Lansbury, and Elphick could do with games.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
The Villa red card has been overturned and Bamford has been charged and is almost certainly looking at a two match ban, which is fair enough, given the evidence. However Hourihane has escaped sanction which is a bit of a puzzler, given his complete loss of discipline and what appears to be a moment where he strikes Klich.

Hopefully Roofe will be fit and available and can get back to the form he was in prior to Christmas. Ipswich away on Sunday and a match where we need to get something to ensure third place. That would mean a more favourable play-off draw against Middlesbrough or Derby County, which in turn would mean the heavyweights of WBA and Villa could go at each other over two legs. 

It's been a depressing couple of weeks, but now that everything has (hopefully) settled down, there will be a realization amongst the players that there is still an opportunity to reach the promised land of the Premiership! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on May 01, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
The Villa red card has been overturned and Bamford has been charged and is almost certainly looking at a two match ban, which is fair enough, given the evidence. However Hourihane has escaped sanction which is a bit of a puzzler, given his complete loss of discipline and what appears to be a moment where he strikes Klich.

Hopefully Roofe will be fit and available and can get back to the form he was in prior to Christmas. Ipswich away on Sunday and a match where we need to get something to ensure third place. That would mean a more favourable play-off draw against Middlesbrough or Derby County, which in turn would mean the heavyweights of WBA and Villa could go at each other over two legs. 

It's been a depressing couple of weeks, but now that everything has (hopefully) settled down, there will be a realization amongst the players that there is still an opportunity to reach the promised land of the Premiership!

Bristol City are still in the frame, at least until tonight. Derby have two tough games, and Boro are brutal.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2019, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: shark on May 01, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Bristol City are still in the frame, at least until tonight. Derby have two tough games, and Boro are brutal.

Sorry, you're right, although even with last night's win I think they would be regarded as a wee bit of a long shot. If I'd my pick, I think I'd choose Derby, but all three of them would be capable of giving us our fill of it! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 01, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
The Villa red card has been overturned and Bamford has been charged and is almost certainly looking at a two match ban, which is fair enough, given the evidence. However Hourihane has escaped sanction which is a bit of a puzzler, given his complete loss of discipline and what appears to be a moment where he strikes Klich.

Hopefully Roofe will be fit and available and can get back to the form he was in prior to Christmas. Ipswich away on Sunday and a match where we need to get something to ensure third place. That would mean a more favourable play-off draw against Middlesbrough or Derby County, which in turn would mean the heavyweights of WBA and Villa could go at each other over two legs. 

It's been a depressing couple of weeks, but now that everything has (hopefully) settled down, there will be a realization amongst the players that there is still an opportunity to reach the promised land of the Premiership!

Stop that positive thinking right now, Rufus.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on May 01, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2019, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: shark on May 01, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Bristol City are still in the frame, at least until tonight. Derby have two tough games, and Boro are brutal.

Sorry, you're right, although even with last night's win I think they would be regarded as a wee bit of a long shot. If I'd my pick, I think I'd choose Derby, but all three of them would be capable of giving us our fill of it!

Surprises me that you'd prefer Derby. They are inconsistent, but are in pretty good form now and have class players in Mount and Wilson who could do something special in a one off game. Boro were better this time last year, when they barely created 1 chance over two legs against Villa. I would definitely prefer to play them if I were a Leeds fan.
Either way, I think Leeds will make the play-off final. Villa v WBA is as close to a 50/50 as you'll get.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 01, 2019, 11:49:31 AM
Yeah Derby would be the one to avoid I think too. Boro are keek and will play dull Pulis football, hoping to nick a one nil over the 2 games. Leeds and Derby would be a tasty tie.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 01, 2019, 01:19:01 PM
Boro will try and get at Leeds after attacks break down - this is how Leeds lost to Birmingham, Wigan and Brentfor in the last month.  Derby will think that they have the firepower to go at Leeds, which suits Leeds' style of play - as proved by the two results against Derby this season.  Lampard has the nous to realise this and to try something new - that may not suit them either.  Leeds v Boro has been dreadful both time this season, and I would be fearful of playing them again.  Derby all the way, he says, signing the club's death warrant.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 09, 2019, 08:16:35 PM
Derby v Leeds sat 17.15
Leeds v Derby wed 19.45

Squeaky bum time, Tyler roberts inj big loss, jansson carrying knock. I still have hope in my heart but I don't trust this set of players to have the mental strength to push through, we create so many chances but aren't nearly ruthless enough in front of goal. Very disappointing not to be going up automatic given we were 3pts ahead going into Easter. 

They are showing the saturday match in carlos o briens in Vancouver and im hearing it will be full of Leeds Fans. Its 10.15 am kick off here.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2019, 06:39:58 PM
64 mins

Derby 0 Leeds 1

Goal scored after 55 minutes by Roofe
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
FT Derby 0 Leeds 1

Craig Ramage
Former Derby midfielder on BBC Radio Derby
Leeds really dominated the ball and it was only in the last 10-15 minutes that there was a spark for Derby but they never really looked like scoring.
I'm disappointed with the way Derby played - they are better than that
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 11, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
A great result and win. I thought we were well worth the victory and I thought contained Derby quite comfortably. My one issue would have been that we had the chance to put the tie to bed, as we could and probably should, have won by two or three, but the same old failing of a lack of cutting edge was there for all to see. Derby therefore are still very much in the tie.

Leeds squad is really down to the bare bones now - Roberts and Jansson both missed out through injury and Forshaw went off injured early on, although young Shackleton was excellent whe he came on, and Bamford will be back for the second leg. Derby are likely to point to the penalty decision that was reversed. Watched it several times since, and I'm still not sure of it was a penalty or not. Very relieved though!! Still all to play for and hopefully we can do enough to see it over the line.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 12, 2019, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 11, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
A great result and win. I thought we were well worth the victory and I thought contained Derby quite comfortably. My one issue would have been that we had the chance to put the tie to bed, as we could and probably should, have won by two or three, but the same old failing of a lack of cutting edge was there for all to see. Derby therefore are still very much in the tie.

Leeds squad is really down to the bare bones now - Roberts and Jansson both missed out through injury and Forshaw went off injured early on, although young Shackleton was excellent whe he came on, and Bamford will be back for the second leg. Derby are likely to point to the penalty decision that was reversed. Watched it several times since, and I'm still not sure of it was a penalty or not. Very relieved though!! Still all to play for and hopefully we can do enough to see it over the line.

Derby had their first shot on target after 70 or so minutes
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 12, 2019, 11:53:44 PM
According to the BBC stats, Derby had no shots on target at any stage. The big positive was that Leeds were back to our form from the first half of the season, with a high press, high intensity game which Derby could not handle. As Rufus says, the only concern is that we probably should have had a second goal. Derby are still capable of scoring at Elland Road, so the tie is certainly not over, but there is more than a hint of fate about the possibility of meeting Villa in the final.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2019, 08:37:38 PM
HT

Leeds 1 Derby 1

2:1 agg
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on May 15, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Some game of football this?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 15, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
2-4 to Derby now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Leeds are some outfit.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2019, 09:58:46 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/48163056/page/2

« Leeds 2-3 Derby (3-3 agg)

Ian Woodcock
BBC Sport at Elland Road
Gaetano Berardi punched the tunnel as he made his way furiously to the dressing room. »



The referee Antony Taylor had let a few heavy tackles go in the immediate build up to Berardi's challenge but the Swiss left him with no option but to show red.

Leeds were in control against a tiring Rams before his dismissal. »

Next thing Derby scored
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: RedHand88 on May 15, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
What a game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2019, 11:00:20 PM
Utterly sick, but the reality is they are not good enough - fatal errors at the biggest possible moments. Injuries impacted hugely on a small squad whilst some big names never counted - I have never seen Pablo so ineffective. Paddy Bamford should have been sitting in our living room watching the match and although Kiko will come in for criticism for the first goal, Cooper had a chance to clear and fluffed it. That first goal turned the tie - which should have been over last Saturday - on its head.

Regardless of tonight, I honestly believe we are a superior team to Derby, so I'll be even more utterly sick if the beat Villa in the Final.

Absolutely gutted!  :'(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
A tough night for Leeds, so condolences to Rufus and the rest of the faithful, but we have been there before and will be there again. If Leeds had gone in at the break at 1-0, and then followed Bielsa's normal instructions, we should have closed it out fairly comfortably. Instead, we had a catastrophic goalkeeping error almost on the whistle and were then caught cold in the first minute of the second half. Derby did play well when they were given the chance, but, if Berardi had avoided a foolish red card, we still looked like finishing as the stronger side. Starting him ahead of Jansson was probably a rare selection error from Bielsa  but hopefully he will stay for another season. Plan A needs to be avoiding the play-offs, as history tells us that the weight of expectation tends to crush all but the toughest characters in the squad. While Dallas was outstanding tonight, we did not quite have enough quality elsewhere when we badly needed it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on May 16, 2019, 08:54:22 AM
That was hard to take but i don't think Leeds deserved to get anything out of the game.

But in the lead up to the winning goal there was a blatant dive to try to win a penalty... a free out and a yellow card should've been awarded.  That would've relieved the pressure at that point as it was a frantic few minutes in and around the Leeds box.

However, you can also point to Leeds 2nd being marginally offside.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
Surely Bielsa must get sacked for blowing automatic promotion and failing to address such a mentally weak group of players who ballsed up at home in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
As I survey the debris this morning, one of the things that is particularly galling is the kudos being given to Frank for his inspirational management. I'm convinced their victory was utterly dependent on the hari-kari committed by the Leeds defence rather than Frank's management. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyroneman on May 16, 2019, 09:09:04 AM
I'm guessing the Bamford for Ireland clamour is gone......
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2019, 09:17:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
Surely Bielsa must get sacked for blowing automatic promotion and failing to address such a mentally weak group of players who ballsed up at home in the playoffs?

Your post is, I assume, designed to get a reaction. Nevertheless I'll respond.

You are correct in one instance. The players are mentally weak and their collapse, following a catastrophic error, mirrored the collapse in the pivotal game against Wigan on Good Friday. Bielsa can only work with what he has and even the resources he had to work with were hugely undermined by a long injury list and a relatively small squad, the size of which was itself a product of Leeds' financial situation. 

Bielsa is a coaching genius. That explains why he managed to get so far with essentially the same group of players that had such a miserable season last year. Achieving promotion would have been the ultimate act of footballing alchemy. The reality is that mentally weak players will bottle big games - it is in their nature. That does not undermine Bielsa's genius - it only highlights the fact that he's not a magician.   

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 09:19:06 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
As I survey the debris this morning, one of the things that is particularly galling is the kudos being given to Frank for his inspirational management. I'm convinced their victory was utterly dependent on the hari-kari committed by the Leeds defence rather than Frank's management.

Knee jerk paint by number analysis of sporting events? Surely not? Whatever next!  ;D

It's rampant.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on May 16, 2019, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2019, 09:17:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
Surely Bielsa must get sacked for blowing automatic promotion and failing to address such a mentally weak group of players who ballsed up at home in the playoffs?

Your post is, I assume, designed to get a reaction. Nevertheless I'll respond.

You are correct in one instance. The players are mentally weak and their collapse, following a catastrophic error, mirrored the collapse in the pivotal game against Wigan on Good Friday. Bielsa can only work with what he has and even the resources he had to work with were hugely undermined by a long injury list and a relatively small squad, the size of which was itself a product of Leeds' financial situation. 

Bielsa is a coaching genius. That explains why he managed to get so far with essentially the same group of players that had such a miserable season last year. Achieving promotion would have been the ultimate act of footballing alchemy. The reality is that mentally weak players will bottle big games - it is in their nature. That does not undermine Bielsa's genius - it only highlights the fact that he's not a magician.
Spot on there Rufus. I hope he stays.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2019, 09:31:28 AM
Bielsa could be in the EPL next season if not given a commitment from the Leeds board, an ovbiously very good manager just hands tied stuff from the Leeds board, this all coming from a very depressed co worker of mine who was venting this moring
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 16, 2019, 09:41:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2019, 09:31:28 AM
Bielsa could be in the EPL next season if not given a commitment from the Leeds board, an ovbiously very good manager just hands tied stuff from the Leeds board, this all coming from a very depressed co worker of mine who was venting this moring

Brighton?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Estimator on May 16, 2019, 10:28:43 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
As I survey the debris this morning, one of the things that is particularly galling is the kudos being given to Frank for his inspirational management. I'm convinced their victory was utterly dependent on the hari-kari committed by the Leeds defence rather than Frank's management.

I'd agree with that. The brain fart from the keeper just before half time, was the turning point.  He almost repeated it a couple of minutes later.
As for Frank's management, going on the attack, when you need to score goals and win the game is hardly rocket science.

Anyway the big game is at Fratton Park this evening.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 16, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
It's the usual very disappointing loss story. When a team loses like that a number of players malfunction. It's pro soccer so the club will have to buy some new players and build on what was achieved this year . Leeds were 13th last year .
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 28, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
Gutted for Frank yesterday.   :)

I note that there has been a lot of talk about Qatari interest in investing in the Club. Would love to see a major takeover and investment that would see us back to the glory days, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with the source of that money and the appalling human rights' record. 

The fact that it appears to have been rebuffed suggests either that Radrizzani shares those sentiments or that he is loathe to give up his stake in the Club or what they are offering is simply not good enough.

However the talk is that Radrizzani has been talking to up to six different parties who have expressed an interest in investing in the Club, so the suggestion would be that he is open to investment from outside.

From trawling through the online media, I have read that the intention next year - as things stand - is that there will be no major investment in the squad and that the key will be to sell some existing players off, use the money generated to replace them and to bring through members of the successful Under 23 squad and to be a wee bit more incisive with our loans strategy.

Villa showed yesterday that astute loan signings can be very influential, and that is something that we can definitely learn from, but the sense is that Bielsa - if he stays - will need to work more magic if we are to be in with a shout of going up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 28, 2019, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 28, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
Gutted for Frank yesterday.   :)

I note that there has been a lot of talk about Qatari interest in investing in the Club. Would love to see a major takeover and investment that would see us back to the glory days, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with the source of that money and the appalling human rights' record. 

The fact that it appears to have been rebuffed suggests either that Radrizzani shares those sentiments or that he is loathe to give up his stake in the Club or what they are offering is simply not good enough.

However the talk is that Radrizzani has been talking to up to six different parties who have expressed an interest in investing in the Club, so the suggestion would be that he is open to investment from outside.

From trawling through the online media, I have read that the intention next year - as things stand - is that there will be no major investment in the squad and that the key will be to sell some existing players off, use the money generated to replace them and to bring through members of the successful Under 23 squad and to be a wee bit more incisive with our loans strategy.

Villa showed yesterday that astute loan signings can be very influential, and that is something that we can definitely learn from, but the sense is that Bielsa - if he stays - will need to work more magic if we are to be in with a shout of going up.

Yeah Derby were shrewd enough on the loan front themselves too. If going the loan route though I think it's important that they only agree to deals with an option to buy built in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 28, 2019, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
Surely Bielsa must get sacked for blowing automatic promotion and failing to address such a mentally weak group of players who ballsed up at home in the playoffs?

He has been retained for another go
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 28, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
Massive for Leeds that. Now to see if he gets anything to invest at all.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2019, 08:40:55 PM
As I said in my last post I don't trust the player mentality to get us up.

Great the that Bielsa has been retained.

Cooper is a good guy but always buckles under pressure, for me he was more at fault for the first goal and he gave away the penalty. Berardi is alway a liability in getting sent off. And Bamford is a complete waste of space, he gets banned for 2 games for diving and in the 1st half he was falling all over the place. It was embarrasing.  Pablos legs had gone by the play offs, he wasnt himself which was a pity but its a long season for him.

Fair play to Dallas showing up when it mattered most and even Harrison turns up in the big games, both can be terrible against weaker teams.

Leeds need another striker badly, roofe and bamford are injury prone too but roofe is far more ruthless. We create a huge amount of chances and terrible conversion rate. I would sell bamford and buy 2 strikers, maybe loans, Gayle from Newcastle linked.

I wouldnt be against selling Clarke if offered 20m. I know he has a great future but he hasnt played well since the collapse from virus which tells me its still lingering. Hopefully he will be fully healthy soon.

The way Derby celebrated the semi final I was glad they lost yday.

I was devastated but im immune to pain where Leeds are concerned in many ways. They remind me of Sligo from the mental perspective and collapse.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 29, 2019, 07:51:09 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2019, 08:40:55 PM
As I said in my last post I don't trust the player mentality to get us up.

Great the that Bielsa has been retained.

Cooper is a good guy but always buckles under pressure, for me he was more at fault for the first goal and he gave away the penalty. Berardi is alway a liability in getting sent off. And Bamford is a complete waste of space, he gets banned for 2 games for diving and in the 1st half he was falling all over the place. It was embarrasing.  Pablos legs had gone by the play offs, he wasnt himself which was a pity but its a long season for him.

Fair play to Dallas showing up when it mattered most and even Harrison turns up in the big games, both can be terrible against weaker teams.

Leeds need another striker badly, roofe and bamford are injury prone too but roofe is far more ruthless. We create a huge amount of chances and terrible conversion rate. I would sell bamford and buy 2 strikers, maybe loans, Gayle from Newcastle linked.

I wouldnt be against selling Clarke if offered 20m. I know he has a great future but he hasnt played well since the collapse from virus which tells me its still lingering. Hopefully he will be fully healthy soon.

The way Derby celebrated the semi final I was glad they lost yday.

I was devastated but im immune to pain where Leeds are concerned in many ways. They remind me of Sligo from the mental perspective and collapse.

Good post and the two parts I have highlighted in bold are absolutely on the money for me. The common thinking for that goal was that it was Kiko's fault. It wasn't - although he didn't particularly help the situation. Liam Cooper had an unhindered attempt to play the ball and succeeded only in setting up an open goal for the striker.

Our conversion rate is nothing short of shocking. Even an average return of goals compared to shots would surely have seen us promoted automatically.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 29, 2019, 04:37:02 PM
Brilliant news that Bielsa is staying - I seriously doubted he would. 

Cooper is very error prone, and has been for some time - a bit like Richard Dunne early in his career.  Not sure if Cooper can grow with experience in the way that Dunny did.  In fact, I'd be inclined to think that he has reached his peak and is on the way down, form-wise. 

I agree that Bamford is not the answer to the goalscoring issues.  Roofe is a decent player, if he can stay fit.  Gayle would be a good buy, but I think they need another scoring option also. 

"Devastated, but immune to pain" - would have to agree with that, it should be the club motto. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2019, 06:16:00 PM
I seen a stat we score from 1 of 12 chances created. Most teams score from 1 in 3. Think Gayle is out of reach financially, think we will look at loan market. Roofe only has a year left on his Contract and i paid alot less than bamford so that could be tricky deal to get done.

Have to keep Phillips, he was outstanding and Roberts was huge loss in the last few games. Both had great seasons and are young. Left back position I am not so sure on Douglas, Alioski looked better in there and Dallas did well when it mattered.

Theres a great podcast done by the Square ball lads, they just did a season review with Phil Hay.

https://www.thesquareball.net/podcasts/

Scroll down the page to the bottom

Did any of ye see that Ross McCormack who spent the season on loan in OZ had a clause in his contract if Villa get promoted within 3 years his wages go up to 70k sterling a week. :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 29, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
I told my good friend in January that you should have signed Peter Crouch.....you would be back in the big time now 😎
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ambrose on May 30, 2019, 01:50:52 PM
Leeds United are in talks with a billionaire Sheikh from the Middle East. They are discussing a multi million pound takeover deal to get the club back to the premier league.

Sheikh Anvack has promised to put the freshness back!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Kalvin Phillips lads, how would you rate him? Not that I buy into most transfer rumours but this one just doesn't seem to be going away.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 02, 2019, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Kalvin Phillips lads, how would you rate him? Not that I buy into most transfer rumours but this one just doesn't seem to be going away.

I like him - good passing range, technically adept, good attitude, did well as the link man in the 4-1-4-1 Bielsa format which looked to suit him better than the 4-2-3-1s he would have played in before. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 02, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
Agree with Billy - very important player and not one we would like to let go. The money received (heard £14 million mentioned) would not likely be enough to find a replacement of his calibre.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 02, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
The fee seems to be closer to 22m now plus add-ons. When i first heard this rumour I didnt think much of it. It is certainly an area that villa will be looking to strengthen and he does appear to fit the Dean Smith mould (young, energetic, comfortable on the ball). As i say i dont know much about the lad at all.  The 22-25m does draw attention though.

Clarke loaned back i see. That was nice of Spurs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 02, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
If Leeds sell him, then they can forget about promotion.   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 08, 2019, 10:14:12 PM
Shocked by the Jansson sale.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 08, 2019, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 08, 2019, 10:14:12 PM
Shocked by the Jansson sale.

There's been a lot of talk about him being a disruptive influence in the Club and it seems Bielsa wanted rid. In such circumstances, there is only one winner.

Brentford have got themselves a bargain (£5.5 million). He is by far the most dependable of the three centre backs at the Club. With Halme also getting sold, the hope would be that we'll be in the market for a new centre half. Adequately replacing Jansson will be a challenge though, given the current financial constraints.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 08, 2019, 10:58:31 PM
Jannson is probably the best centre half in the championship but he has always been headstrong and the signs were bad when he disobeyed clear instructions from Bielsa to allow Villa an unchallenged equaliser. When he sat on the pitch and ignored his teammates after he was an unused sub in the Derby disaster, in retrospect it looked like the last straw. Leeds could really do with bringing in another centre back and striker swiftly,  but Bielsa inevitably does things his own way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 10, 2019, 09:03:07 PM
I don't know lads, I am starting to doubt Bielsa and the club owners not that I ever had much trust, selling Jansson is a disgrace, I know he is headstrong but hes put his body on the line for us, and was mentally strong and made our defensive look better than it actually is, 5.5m is terrible business. Cooper crumbles under pressure and will again when the going gets tough. I don't really know Ben White from Brighton. Have to buy another CB.

Selling Kalvin Phillips will cause a major reaction from the fanbase. I rate him very highly, hes a great reader of where the danger is and more often than not snuffs it out.

There is rumours around Roofe aswell. I dont rate Bamford at all, dives too easy, doesnt hold the ball up at all, misses alot of chances, we had to create 12 chances for 1 goal last season compared to our rivals of 1 in 4.

We are in big trouble if any of this materializes.

Bielsa has habit of been stubborn, its a weakness, it could cost us and he also underplays what he needs. Regardless of phillips or roofe we need another CB and Striker.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 11, 2019, 09:42:20 AM
If Leeds sold Phillips for say 25m, would the club then allow Bielsa to invest that money in a few players that he has his eye on? Will the Jansson 5.5m be reinvested or will it be gobbled up by the owners such as happens at a load of other clubs?

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 13, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
Looks like he's staying and villa have moved on to some lad Douglas Luiz instead. Fair play to Phillips. Sticks with his boyhood club for another push at promotion. Exactly the same as Grealish last year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 29, 2019, 12:19:18 AM
Things quite quiet around here. The big kick-off is only days away now and I'd be worried about the relative lack of transfer activity - in particular problems at each end of the pitch (centre-forward and goalkeeper) have not been addressed and potentially a new issue at centre-half has arisen with the selling of Jansson, with the hope now that Ben White will be able to fill the void - however that still leaves a relaince on Berardi and Cooper.

Costa looks to be a big addition and retaining Clarke for another season seems like good business but I'd love to see a few more additions, or otherwise we are going to be relying on Bielsa to work his magic again with very limited resoources. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 30, 2019, 09:23:26 AM
To answer my own question, I note we are being linked with a move for Italian centre-forward Andrea Petagna from Serie A side SPAL. Leeds have reportedly offered £13.8 million but are being told he will cost closer to £23 million, which I'd guess is likely to put him outside our shopping range. At least it suggests that we are still active in the transfer market and that the need for goals is a concern.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2019, 11:09:39 PM
Bailey Peacock-Farrell away to Burnley for £3.5 million. Cannot see his prospects of first team football being better there than at Leeds. A replacement is expected before the transfer window closes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 04, 2019, 09:29:09 PM
A very encouraging start today from Leeds, who took a while to settle and then gave a footballling lesson to a home side which was regarded as an outside bet for promotion. Casilla had his scarey moments as usual but White looks a quality signing alongside Cooper, and Phillips, who surely must be kept if we are really to progress, was excellent. Hernandez was outstanding and Bielsa must make sure that, unlike last season, he gets regular rests. Bamford got the goal he needed and Costa is an exciting prospect. If a new striker, a back up keeper and possibly another defender arrive before the transfer deadline, we should give this division a good rattle.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 05, 2019, 08:54:32 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable match and performance yesterday and for me immediately rekindled memories of much of our play last year. However, underlining that was evidence of much of the issues that fatally undermined our promotion bid last year, i.e. dominating the opposition and not making that dominance be accurately reflected in terms of the score-line. That match could and should have been won 5-0 yesterday but we wasted a lorry load of chances, then got careless and ended up having a few uncomfortable moments late on. I think we managed 4 shots on target from 18 during the game. Such stats will be our undoing again.

That said, there was constant reference throughout the coverage yesterday to Leeds getting a striker and a goalkeeper in before the end of the transfer deadline and I still feel we need a centre half, despite the excellence of White on debut. Bamford was also excellent. Lovely, sharp finish but also held the ball up well, laid it off and put himself about a lot. However I can't see him getting the goals we need.

Mention also of Kiko who really makes me feel nervous. As Paul Robinson said yesterday, we need another goalkeeper who is on a par with Kiko and can step up to first team football and be comfortable in that role.

Pablo and Philips also excellent and I thought Harrison's performance suggested that he will be a better player for us this year than last year.

Great to be back playing and great to get a win.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 21, 2019, 11:46:08 PM
Top of the league after four games, unbeaten so far, and three consecutive clean sheets in all competitions represents an excellent start. We were in similar form at this stage last season, but Costa and Nketiah look to have strenthened the squad considerably. Tonight was an ordinary enough performance, but grinding out results with late goals is usually a good sign. While something mad is seldom far away, the indications are encouraging so far.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 22, 2019, 10:28:56 AM
Danger here.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on August 22, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 22, 2019, 10:28:56 AM
Danger here.

Beat me to it!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 22, 2019, 01:26:51 PM
All signs pointing towards a disappointing playoff defeat next year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 23, 2019, 01:49:26 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 21, 2019, 11:46:08 PM
Top of the league after four games, unbeaten so far, and three consecutive clean sheets in all competitions represents an excellent start. We were in similar form at this stage last season, but Costa and Nketiah look to have strenthened the squad considerably. Tonight was an ordinary enough performance, but grinding out results with late goals is usually a good sign. While something mad is seldom far away, the indications are encouraging so far.

Agree with a lot of this.

Poor enough performance in terms of chances created, despite dominating. Paddy really should have made one of two free headers count in the first half. Costa and Nketiah do look as if they will add something going forward, as evidenced by the goal. White has looked quite assured this season at centre half although I thought Pontus had a good game on Wednesday which underlined to me the folly of letting him go.

I thought we probably deserved a draw the other night, which for me cancels out the two points dropped at home to Forest. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 23, 2019, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 22, 2019, 01:26:51 PM
All signs pointing towards a disappointing playoff defeat next year.
Surely they will buy a decent striker in the next transfer window
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 23, 2019, 11:49:42 PM
Anyone who has watched the Take Us Home documentary will be acutely aware that disaster is regularly round the corner with Leeds while realising how close we really were last season. Six episodes is too many, and everyone from the chairman to the hamburger guy outside the ground is interviewed, but it was genuinely moving in the end. If there is any logic and any justice in the championship, which there may not be, Leeds must be in the mix next time round.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on August 26, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Quoteany logic and any justice

You know there aren't!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 26, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
What station was that documentary on?  Heard it being discussed on the radio.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on August 26, 2019, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 26, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
What station was that documentary on?  Heard it being discussed on the radio.

Amazon Prime, I think.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 26, 2019, 09:30:09 PM
You can get a one month trial for free as long as you remember to cancel it within the deadline. It is beautifully filmed and very atmospheric, and, while it should really have been shorter, the six episodes fly by. While Russell Crowe's script is a little cliched, it also has its iconic moments and you are left with the sense of a club which is more determined than ever to get back to the Premiership. A huge game awaits on Saturday against Swansea, who have matched the start by Leeds and are only one behind on goal difference.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 16, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
There is another great leeds documentary on Amazon prime called "do you want to win?" its about the 90 promotion and 92 champions team. Very very good watch.

Good win at Barnsley at the weekend. Derby at home on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dec on September 23, 2019, 09:42:46 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/23/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa-win-fifa-fair-play-award-aston-villa-equaliser

Leeds United and their manager, Marcelo Bielsa, have won the 2019 Fifa Fair Play Award at the governing body's annual award ceremony in Milan.

The Championship side won the award after Bielsa ordered his team to let Aston Villa score an equaliser at Elland Road in April. Mateusz Klich had put Leeds ahead while Villa forward Jonathan Kodjia was down with an injury.

Klich's goal led to a melee between both sets of players, with Anwar El Ghazi sent off for the visitors. When play restarted, Albert Adomah was allowed to run through and level the game – although defender Pontus Jansson still tried and failed to tackle the Villa winger....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on December 14, 2019, 07:20:16 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/style-and-substance-has-bielsa-and-leeds-marching-on-together-1.4114565
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
I'll probably regret posting here, as the team have been going great recently with little talk on this thread, and my post will likely put the scud on them.

Great winning run came to an abrupt end at home to Cardiff when we spurned a three goal lead, shipping 3 goals in thirty minutes when we had only conceded four at home, all season.


Christmas and New Year is going to be huge, starting with Fulham away this weekend. There are home games against Preston and Wednesday and an away trip to West Brom on New Year's Day. I'm probably being very optimistic, but if we could retain the gap of ten points between us and third by the time we go to Arsenal in the Cup, then we will have done brilliantly! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 19, 2019, 09:07:40 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
I'll probably regret posting here, as the team have been going great recently with little talk on this thread, and my post will likely put the scud on them.

Great winning run came to an abrupt end at home to Cardiff when we spurned a three goal lead, shipping 3 goals in thirty minutes when we had only conceded four at home, all season.


Christmas and New Year is going to be huge, starting with Fulham away this weekend. There are home games against Preston and Wednesday and an away trip to West Brom on New Year's Day. I'm probably being very optimistic, but if we could retain the gap of ten points between us and third by the time we go to Arsenal in the Cup, then we will have done brilliantly!

I regret it for you already, Rufus.  Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 19, 2019, 09:30:08 AM
Surely not another Leeds after Christmas collapse this year lads.  Loaning a striker in Jan would go a long way to securing top two. Someone like Gayle maybe....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on December 19, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Leeds and West Brom will canter to automatic promotion. The points tally they got last year for 3rd and 4th place would have them finishing 1st and 2nd this time around. 33 points from their remaining 24 games would be enough for Leeds. None of the chasing pack are consistent (or good) enough.
Playoff chase will be interesting at least.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 19, 2019, 09:07:40 AM
I regret it for you already, Rufus.  Happy Christmas.

Ha ha, Billy!!   ;D


Happy Christmas to you and the family, my friend!! Hope it's a good one!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: shark on December 19, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Leeds and West Brom will canter to automatic promotion. The points tally they got last year for 3rd and 4th place would have them finishing 1st and 2nd this time around. 33 points from their remaining 24 games would be enough for Leeds. None of the chasing pack are consistent (or good) enough.
Playoff chase will be interesting at least.

Your confidence in Leeds is making me nervous!!   :-X
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on December 19, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: shark on December 19, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Leeds and West Brom will canter to automatic promotion. The points tally they got last year for 3rd and 4th place would have them finishing 1st and 2nd this time around. 33 points from their remaining 24 games would be enough for Leeds. None of the chasing pack are consistent (or good) enough.
Playoff chase will be interesting at least.

Your confidence in Leeds is making me nervous!!   :-X

Just my unemotional, unbiased view. I couldn't care less who gets promoted. It's a great league - but this season seems much less competitive at the top than last season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 19, 2019, 03:13:09 PM
Quote from: shark on December 19, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Just my unemotional, unbiased view. I couldn't care less who gets promoted. It's a great league - but this season seems much less competitive at the top than last season.

I think the next two weeks will give an insight into how competitive the rest of the season will be. Leeds have a tough run of fixtures and my fear would be dropping points and being pulled back into the pack. If we can emerge relatively unscathed and get dumped out of the FA Cup (which is more or less a given), then for once some optimism might be justified. *


*I know I shouldn't have said that!!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 20, 2019, 12:18:37 PM
I'll be looking for these quotes in April, Rufus. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 01, 2020, 07:25:17 PM
1-1 v West Brom and the peleton well behind
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 02, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 01, 2020, 07:25:17 PM
1-1 v West Brom and the peleton well behind

Unfortunately though the peleton invariably catches the breakaway. The lead is nine points back to Forest, who have a game in hand. We also have to travel to Forest and indeed to Brentford, who are also making a good run.

The rollercoaster ride at Birmingham was heart stopping stuff and was a victory down to the absolute character of Luke Ayling who refused to consider anything but victory. However it papered over a very indifferent performance from a small squad that is getting dangerously thin with injuries.

Eddie Nketiah is away back to Arsenal and will need replaced, although I'm not bemoaning his absence as much as I thought I might up to a few weeks ago. We need a good forward. Jack Clarke is away back to Spurs and is but a pale shadow of the player he was 12 months ago.

Long road still ahead.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Has to be automatic. The difference with last year is the chasing pack are slipping up. Forest away is huge in early Feb.

For me Dallas and Ayling are playing like warriors at the minute, and wont settle for anything less than wins. Talk of getting ched evans on loan from Southamptom. I am still not convinced by Bamford. There will be a few twists and turns yet but if we can get Forshaw and Hernandez back soon would be a huge boost.

Looking forward to see how we do against Arsenal, a tougher game than it would have been a few weeks ago, Leeds bringing 9,000.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 06, 2020, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Talk of getting ched evans on loan from Southamptom.

Ha ha - made the same mistake myself recently. Che Adams and I think he would be a good signing. Also getting linked with Luke Freeman at Sheffield United, although I'd be surprised if Wilder would help us if he could possible avoid it. Also talk of Cauley Woodrow from Barnsley for £6.5 million fee. Hopefully this talk gives some sense of the determination not to repeat the mistakes of 12 months ago.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 07, 2020, 07:54:58 AM
Very good performance in the Cup last night, despite the defeat. The defeat itself is likely to be of benefit in the long run, as we were never going to win the Cup and we can now concentrate on the league. The match itself was simply a repeat of many of our games - dominating possession with some lovely passing and pressing the opposition in possession. However our old Achilles Heel was there for all to see - no cutting edge to reflect our dominance. This was an issue that was our undoing 12 months ago and it has the potential to bring our season down, again. The success of the business we conduct in the transfer window is therefore likely to major repercussions one way or the other. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 07, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/05/leeds-united-arsenal-fa-cup-marcelo-bielsa

« In five previous attempts at the play-offs, dating back to losing to Charlton in May 1987, Leeds failed to win promotion each time. Nine-goal thrillers at St Andrew's are unsustainable for a club so prone to late-season heebie jeebies. Not even Bielsa's staunchest admirers have yet explained away his teams' historic problems in lasting a full season of the intensity he prescribes.
...
Finding another striker to ease the burden on Patrick Bamford for the 20 Championship matches remaining has become a deep concern for Bielsa and Victor Orta, the director of football. »
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 11, 2020, 11:02:50 PM
Leeds supporters have been watching games through their fingers over recent weeks as the season appeared to be falling apart rapidly. It is probably unfair to pick out one player during such a disastrous run but Casilla has been either largely or directly responsible for conceding the first goal in the last four games in a row.  He did it again tonight when Leeds were in complete control against Brentford by allowing an innocuous back pass to go through his legs, and it looked as though we would drop out of the top two. However, the team produced one of their best performances of the campaign to get a draw which should really have been a comfortable win away to serious promotion rivals. The show could be back on the road and the home match against Bristol City on Saturday is a massive one.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 13, 2020, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 11, 2020, 11:02:50 PM
It is probably unfair to pick out one player during such a disastrous run but Casilla has been either largely or directly responsible for conceding the first goal in the last four games in a row.

Correct, and as was pointed out on The Debate on Tuesday night, he took the head staggers against Cardiff when we were cruising and also was responsible for the first goal at home to Wednesday - a near identical concession to the first Forest goal. Those in the know seem to think he will still be there this Saturday which suggests that Bielsa is not convinced by Meslier. However that then begs the question why cover was not got in during the transfer window, particularly with the threat of a suspension hanging over Kiko.

The Forest defeat was awful, not just for the loss of the three points, but the nature of the performance suggested deeper underlying psychological issues, i.e. they played with absolutely no confidence or self belief. The Brentford game was in total contrast to that and it gives hope where there did not appear to be any. Furthermore, the run - after this Saturday - sees us play only one more promotion rival - Fulham - so there is the hope that if we can get things back on track, then a run of results might be possible and keep us firmly in contention in the top two.

There is good news and there is bad news. Despite form over the last ten games showing that Leeds are 22nd out of 24, we are still second. The bad news is that we are only 3 points ahead of 7th. A scenario therefore where we miss out on promotion and the play offs is very much a reality. However it is still in the players' hands and - totally illogically - I believe they will take a lot from the Brentford game and go forward on the front foot.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 13, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 13, 2020, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 11, 2020, 11:02:50 PM
It is probably unfair to pick out one player during such a disastrous run but Casilla has been either largely or directly responsible for conceding the first goal in the last four games in a row.

Correct, and as was pointed out on The Debate on Tuesday night, he took the head staggers against Cardiff when we were cruising and also was responsible for the first goal at home to Wednesday - a near identical concession to the first Forest goal. Those in the know seem to think he will still be there this Saturday which suggests that Bielsa is not convinced by Meslier. However that then begs the question why cover was not got in during the transfer window, particularly with the threat of a suspension hanging over Kiko.

The Forest defeat was awful, not just for the loss of the three points, but the nature of the performance suggested deeper underlying psychological issues, i.e. they played with absolutely no confidence or self belief. The Brentford game was in total contrast to that and it gives hope where there did not appear to be any. Furthermore, the run - after this Saturday - sees us play only one more promotion rival - Fulham - so there is the hope that if we can get things back on track, then a run of results might be possible and keep us firmly in contention in the top two.

There is good news and there is bad news. Despite form over the last ten games showing that Leeds are 22nd out of 24, we are still second. The bad news is that we are only 3 points ahead of 7th. A scenario therefore where we miss out on promotion and the play offs is very much a reality. However it is still in the players' hands and - totally illogically - I believe they will take a lot from the Brentford game and go forward on the front foot.   
The thing about the championship this year is the lack of consistency at the top.
Whoever gets promoted must be likely to go straight back down  .
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 13, 2020, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
The thing about the championship this year is the lack of consistency at the top.
Whoever gets promoted must be likely to go straight back down  .

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. I don't think there is any Championship team that could survive in the Premier League, as they are. There will be a need for any side going up to strengthen considerably to the extent that the side itself will have changed a lot from what it looks like now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 13, 2020, 02:53:29 PM
Bielsa surprised no one by declaring today that Casilla will play on Saturday. It is likely that 99 per cent of Leeds fans wanted a change but you have to rely on Bielsa's judgment and give him credit for loyalty. If Casilla has another problem against Bristol City, when the forecast is for rain and swirling winds, the reaction from the stands will not be pretty. However, if the display against Brentford is repeated, and Leeds get a win, the prospects for the rest of the season are still decent. Another stressful afternoon awaits.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 13, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/13/leeds-have-problems-marcelo-bielsa-still-man-fix/

"The signing of the striker Jean-Kevín Augustn on loan from Red Bull Leipzig, the way Leeds United defended shrewdly at Brentford to deny Watkins and Mbeumo any significant chances, Kalvin Phillips' form on his return from suspension, the fact that they are still in second place and after Saturday have only one more match against a top-seven team in their 13-match run-in, ought to give them confidence.  "
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 16, 2020, 11:25:05 AM
Yesterday's victory was vital and with other results going our way, kept Leeds just ahead in of the pack and still in the automatic promotion places. However for me, almost as important as the victory, was the nature of the performance. There seemed to be a continuation of what we saw at Brentford - plenty of heart and determination and a renewed effort after the disaster at Forest. Such qualities can go a long way in the Championship.

That said - and sorry to sound like a broken record - the old underlying issue was still evident - an inability to take chances and therefore score the goals that will put teams away. That match had so many similarities with the matches at home to Forest and Derby earlier in the season.

Hope though springs eternal, and I'm keeping my own fingers crossed that what is - on paper - an easier run-in, will allow some room for optimism!   :-X
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 17, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
You were going great there Rufus, until you used the word 'optimism'.   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 17, 2020, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 17, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
You were going great there Rufus, until you used the word 'optimism'.   ::)

;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 17, 2020, 11:17:00 PM
Absolute torture watching Leeds at the minute, far the better team in Brentford and Bristol and scraping a draw and win because of so many missed chances and poor final third passes. I don't know what to make of costa and harrison, both get into glorious positions but end product is poor. Bamford I can honestly say in all my 30 yrs supporting Leeds is I never disliked a player more, he scores 1 in 20 chances and has missed sitters but when he scores he cups his ears as if he silenced the negative fans. Its such a weak mentality, hes let us down so many times but rest of the team will carry him to tap ins, this is not to mention his diving etc.. hes get too much credit for his workrate and link play from leeds fan desperate for him to do well.

Casillas is enigma, 12 clean sheets prior to xmas was unreal for us but I seen a highlight reel of all his mistakes and it was longer than you think.

I will end on a few positives, we are playing well, and of all the teams in the top 6 we only have Fulham at home to play. The other contenders have to play each 4/5 times and can't all win so Leeds are in a great position despite our collapse. Reaing tomorrow is huge, a must win.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 18, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Casilla is not the only enigma at Leeds but in overall terms the quality of football under Bielsa is by some distance the best seen at the club since O'Leary's days in the champions league. While it is incredibly frustrating to score so few goals from the amazing number of chances created, it is unfair to single out Bamford. Having watched him at close range, his movement is brilliant and he fits perfectly into the Bielsa set-up. His total of 12 from 31 starts in the league should definitely be better, but it is still a reasonable percentage for a striker. No one else in the squad has more than five, and on Saturday both Harrison and Costa yet again had fine games but missed pretty straightforward opportunities. Augustin may have plenty of potential but, on the evidence of his appearances from the bench so far, is some way short of full match fitness. The remaining fixtures could be much worse, as Sligonian says, and a win against Reading on Saturday would leave us well placed for the run-in. Further torture undoubtedly lies ahead, but, by this stage, we would expect nothing less.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 29, 2020, 08:44:32 PM
Very good win at Hull combined with West Brom losing . A good weekend.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 01, 2020, 07:06:59 PM
We will take it, Tyler Roberts could be huge for us now in the run-in. It feels a little different to last year in that we picked up a great run of 4 wins at the right time and there's a little gap. We are playing a lot of mid-table teams and we seem to get over them easier.

We didn't have a gap this time last year nor did we have run like this.

We were on 67 pts with sheff utd behind by 3 with game in hand, I just don't see a team like Sheff Utd pushing on like last year. Fulham and Forest most likely. Forest play twice before we play again.

We play Fulham at home on March 18th, the biggest game in a long time.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 02, 2020, 11:06:22 PM
Forest drawing great result, it'd be good for Fulham to mess up, March 18th looking bigger by the day.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 03, 2020, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 01, 2020, 07:06:59 PM
We play Fulham at home on March 18th, the biggest game in a long time.

Certainly since last season. The Fulham game for me brings back memories of our home match against Sheffield United last season - which was also very close to St Patrick's Day - and proved to be so pivotal in our season. I hope that is not an omen!

Let's be honest, the reality is that Hull were awful - sold their best players and were missing a few more through injury - and yet I would take a lot of positives from the game, beyond the win. The team appear to be playing with confidence again and the appearance of Roberts suggests that we might have another option for goals. Meslier came in and although far from perfect with his distribution, looked assured in dealing with any balls into the box. He will take confidence from that.

On paper, the fixtures still seem to favour us, but to state the obvious, it is essential that we do not have any slip ups. Each game now seems to grow in importance as the Holy Grail gets closer. It will be a white knuckle ride!!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 03, 2020, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 29, 2020, 08:44:32 PM
Very good win at Hull combined with West Brom losing . A good weekend.

A good weekend yes, but if I'm honest, I'd have swapped West Brom losing for Fulham to lose. Going up as Champions would be nice - but going up - whether first or second - is the bottom line here. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 03, 2020, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 29, 2020, 08:44:32 PM
Very good win at Hull combined with West Brom losing . A good weekend.

A good weekend yes, but if I'm honest, I'd have swapped West Brom losing for Fulham to lose. Going up as Champions would be nice - but going up - whether first or second - is the bottom line here.

Fair enough but Fulham still have to play Brentford, Nottingham Forest and West Brom in addition to Leeds.

https://www.skysports.com/fulham-fixtures

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 03, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
I hope they can finally do it so the Leeds fellas* in work fcuk up about it.


*Unsurprisingly in their 50s!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 03, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?

I can honestly say I've never met one.  And I don't think any would exist if it were not for John Giles. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 03, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
It is probably fair to suggest that most Leeds supporters are on the mature side but you have to remember that we were in all our prime when the club was still in the premiership. All the subsequent years of financial disaster, heart-breaking play-off defeats and plain old bad luck have taken their toll with a sense that another catastrophe is always waiting around the corner.

However, we now definitely have our best manager since Wilkinson and a squad which has never been closer to securing promotion. If the new keeper stays calm, Philips remains fit and some combination of Roberts, Bamford and Agustin crucially deliver a few goals, we will be well on course.

Hammering Fulham would be great but a draw would also take us pretty close to the glorious day when we throw away our walking sticks and zimmer frames and start dancing around the living room.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 03, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?
I met a teenage Leeds fan from Kildare when we were away during the Halloween mid term break! Forced into it by his father of course 😃
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 03, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
I'm 37 but my Dad is Leeds fan and so is my Sister, she is 36. We actually went to leeds v hull a few years ago, first time Dad seen us win in the flesh but he hasn't been to many. He became a fan because of Giles and has been following ever since. I used to go a lot when I lived in London.

I live and work in Vancouver now and a bunch of Leeds fan got together to watch the 1st leg of Derby playoff in Irish bar here last year, it was the same day as European cup final with Leinster so only 1 tv was showing Leeds the other 20 showing the rugby. The place was packed, it was 9 am kick off here, about 30 lads showed up and mostly young late 20s/30s.

When Roofe scored we went mental and the whole bar was just looking at us jumping on top of each other.  ;D Id say it was sight.

You can watch all the games over here on LUTV because we are international. The only hard thing is the time difference, I got up at 4.30 am on Saturday to watch and then listened to Sligo beat Wexford on Oceanfm. The 3pm kick offs are 7am here. Midweek games are the best 11.45 am kick off, I watched them at work but now run my own business so its even better. the last 2 games Derby and Charlton are at 1 and 12.30 which will be tough.

You would be surprised though at the age profile when I went back to College to finish my degree in LIT, I remember coming out of a bar waiting on bus and 20 lads in early 20s started chanting Marching on Together so obv I joined in but I was as surprised as anyone, the whole group were chanting.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2020, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?

Fair question, alright!   ;D

There's a couple of lads in work here who are well under 50 and support Leeds, but in each case their dads did as well!! 

I get a sense that there are a lot of non Leeds fans would like to see us go up. It's not out of any love for Leeds, but (again my sense) is that Leeds will add a lot to the top division and - given the length of time away - be refreshing.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on March 05, 2020, 09:13:23 PM
Always had a soft spot for Leeds. Stems from the Gray/Bremner period in the mid 80s. They went close a couple of times I think to promotion and I remember them nearly reaching the final as a 2nd division club the year Coventry won it. Rennie, Baird, Sheridan and Ritchie.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on March 06, 2020, 10:22:32 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 03, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
I hope they can finally do it so the Leeds fellas* in work fcuk up about it.


*Unsurprisingly in their 50s!

Us oldies understand loyalty!!
Great club, 'old school' belligerent supporters who 'get' their club.
I just hope for the sake of The Championship they dont get promoted.
KRO.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 06, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 04, 2020, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?

Fair question, alright!   ;D

There's a couple of lads in work here who are well under 50 and support Leeds, but in each case their dads did as well!! 

I get a sense that there are a lot of non Leeds fans would like to see us go up. It's not out of any love for Leeds, but (again my sense) is that Leeds will add a lot to the top division and - given the length of time away - be refreshing.

I know a couple of younger Leeds fans but yeah it has been passed down by their fathers. 

Long suffering.  Would be good to see them in the PL again. Just hope they don't swap places with Villa.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 17, 2020, 04:09:42 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/04/17/norman-hunter-collosus-time-hard-men-revelled-reputations/

In an era of great English footballers and great England football teams, Norman Hunter played alongside the best and although that was only a bit-part role for his country, there is no question that for Leeds United he was a colossus in their glory years.
This was a time when hard men revelled in their reputations and Hunter, who died today aged 76, was no different. His role in that infamous 1975 on-field punch-up with Francis Lee is part of his legacy but he also played in a hugely successful Leeds team of which he was a crucial part. A product of the club's youth scheme, originally from County Durham, he was a regular for 13 seasons in the centre of Leeds' defence, going from the old Second Division to winning league championships and a European Cup final.
He was an archetype of the era, a ferocious centre-back who mixed intimidation with bravery, commitment and a total dedication to the art of defending. But he was appreciated by his fellow professionals and voted the first-ever PFA Player of the Year in 1974. He was there for some of the epochs of the era including the 1966 World Cup finals and England's failed defence in Mexico four years later. He played through Don Revie's reign at Elland Road, the 44 days of Brian Clough in 1974 and then the defeat in Paris to Bayern Munich in the European Cup final the following summer.
His management career did not hit the heights that one might have expected given some of the great names he had played under, although that was largely the case for all Revie's great Leeds players many of whom won six major trophies as well as the 1964 second division title. Hunter was given the nickname "Bites Yer Legs" - unusually long-winded, albeit accurate - which began with a banner at the 1972 FA Cup final and entered popular culture when repeated by Clough on television.

Hunter slides in to block Liverpool's Roger Hunt in 1965 CREDIT: PA
In an interview with TV Yorkshire in 2015, Hunter said: "Defending and the game then was slightly different - the physical side and the tackling side. You never got booked for your first tackle. It was always free so you went in that little bit harder. I am not saying it was right. Nowadays you wouldn't get away with it. But I could play as well because of the players I played with, Johnny Giles, Billy Bremner, Bobby Collins. I enjoyed coming out and playing but the gaffer told me: 'Your job is to win the ball and give it to those who can play'."
He joined Leeds aged 15 having already left school to be an electrical fitter and was given his debut by Revie, a manager who inspired the devotion of his players. Hunter played alongside his fellow Geordie Jack Charlton in the centre of defence for around ten years although he was always behind the older Charlton brother when it came to England teams.
After Leeds' promotion as champions of the second division, the league championship was won five years later in 1969 and then again in 1974. They won the 1968 League Cup, the 1972 FA Cup, and the Uefa Fairs Cup in 1968 and 1971. Between promotion in 1964 and the second of their first division titles ten years later, there were five runners-up places and Leeds never finished outside the top four. They reached the European Cup-winners' Cup final in 1973 where they lost to AC Milan and were beaten in the European Cup final two seasons later.
They were on the wane by November 1975 when Hunter and Lee landed blows on one another during a game at the Baseball Ground, a fight that stands as a benchmark for the free-for-all football culture of the era. Hunter had already split Lee's lip and both had been dismissed when hostilities resumed as they left the pitch. "A fight's going on off the ball!" exclaimed John Motson in the Match of the Day commentary as he caught sight of round two before the BBC cameras picked it up.
In the second part Lee swung and connected with the taller Hunter who stumbled but got back to his feet before finally the two were parted. Both men were knocked down by the other but, as was typical of the era they were playing in, both were eager to demonstrate they had not been hurt. The priority then was to retaliate rather than appeal to the referee.
In his autobiography years later, Lee's Derby team-mate Roy McFarland recalled the efforts of him and two staff to keep Lee from storming into the away dressing room afterwards to attack Hunter again. When Hunter and his team-mates arrived post-match in the Baseball Ground's players' bar – a move interpreted as provocative – Hunter was warned by McFarland he should leave. McFarland wrote: "The reply was a sneering: 'We're only stopping for a quick one, but make sure Lee gets the message — he doesn't frighten me.'"

Hunter pictured outside 10 Downing Street in 2009 CREDIT: PA
Hunter played on for six years after leaving Leeds in 1976, at Bristol City and then Barnsley. As a manager at Oakwell he had moderate success and was in charge for four years. There were other spells as a manager at Rotherham United and Bradford.
Hunter won 28 caps for England between 1965 and 1974 and was a member of Sir Alf Ramsey's World Cup squads in 1966 and 1970 although he did not play a game in 1966. Along with all the non-playing members of the squad in an era when there were no substitutes, he was told by Ramsey to be on the touchline at full-time of the final. Hunter was stuck in a Wembley Stadium lift with Jimmy Armfield when West Germany equalised before the end of 90 minutes. Non-playing members did not get a winners' medal until 2009 when they were issued with them retrospectively by Fifa.
Hunter played one game at a World Cup finals, the defeat to West Germany in 1970, as a late substitute. He played in the 1968 European Championships in which England finished third, and was part of the side that failed to qualify for the 1974 World Cup finals. He started the fateful final qualifier against Poland at Wembley in October 1973 in which a draw was not enough to take England to the World Cup finals. His last cap was the following year against Czechoslovakia, which was also Revie's last game in charge of the national team before his shock resignation.
Hunter never bore any grudges for being an understudy to Jack Charlton and Bobby Moore and had the greatest respect for Ramsey although in that television interview he did wonder wistfully what it would have meant to be part of the golden XI that lifted the Jules Rimet trophy. "The only disappointment is you are part of the squad but you never played," he said, "those lads who actually did must have felt awesome."
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2020, 11:27:44 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/15/leeds-finally-united-harmony-final-push-return-premier-league/

Leeds entered the hiatus unbeaten in six games and with five successive victories and clean sheets. This revival, following four defeats in five games, built up a convincing momentum with increasingly fluent performances and some correction in the 4-0 win at Hull to the over-reliance on the industrious but erratic Patrick Bamford to finish off the copious chances "Bielsaball" creates. In their final nine games they have only Fulham, in third and seven points behind, in the top six to play and enjoy the most favourable fixture list of the remaining contenders.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 15, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
I'm afraid the Leeds' fan in me is seeing doubts everywhere. Yes, we were on fire before the pandemic took hold, but will the break prove to be a disruption? Talk of five substitutes per team - will that mitigate against Leeds' high pressing style and relatively small squad? And of course, it's Leeds - if anyone can fook it up from here, Leeds can.

On the plus side, we normally start the season like a house on fire, so the big gap in terms of time should hopefully be in our favour, but I envisage nothing but a nerve shredding few weeks, with calamity the normal go to scenario!
 
:-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on June 15, 2020, 03:41:24 PM
I see the break playing right into the hands of Leeds.  It is the rest that Bielsa's style does not normally allow for.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2020, 05:14:24 PM
Leeds were marginally the better of two ordinary sides today but conceded two poor goals and never really looked capable of getting back into the game. It was alarming how flat we were without Hernandez and we have to hope he is back for what is going to be a crunch match against Fulham. The inexperience of Meslier in nets is also a concern, as he was beaten twice at his near post by what were admittedly a couple of decent strikes after pretty dreadful losses of possession further out. The result was a big wake up call for those who have assumed that promotion was almost in the bag, but most of us know that Leeds never do anything the easy way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dublin7 on June 21, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2020, 05:14:24 PM
Leeds were marginally the better of two ordinary sides today but conceded two poor goals and never really looked capable of getting back into the game. It was alarming how flat we were without Hernandez and we have to hope he is back for what is going to be a crunch match against Fulham. The inexperience of Meslier in nets is also a concern, as he was beaten twice at his near post by what were admittedly a couple of decent strikes after pretty dreadful losses of possession further out. The result was a big wake up call for those who have assumed that promotion was almost in the bag, but most of us know that Leeds never do anything the easy way.

Bamford is a donkey and a waste of space up front. Doesn't offer any threat.

Can't blame either goal on the keeper. Centre half backed off and backed off the cardiff player and just let him shoot for the 1st. 2nd was an excellent finish drilled into the bottom corner off the inside of the post. No one stops that. The defender giving the ball away was at fault.

Do Leeds still have that French lad on loan? If so pick him up front instead of Bamford
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post. Both were well struck but an experienced keeper would have saved at least one of them. While Bamford gets a lot of stick, he leads the line effectively and suits Bielsa's style of play well. He is clearly not a brilliant finisher but Leeds have not got many goals from their wide players or midfielders either. Augustin, the French striker, has had fitness issues and may not be back in a white shirt. Bielsa favours a tight squad but he can be legitimately criticised for not ensuring we have options up front. However, if the players can deal with the pressure of the closing straight, which has been a huge problem in the past, Leeds are still in a strong position. Fulham will be a massive game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dublin7 on June 22, 2020, 08:28:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post. Both were well struck but an experienced keeper would have saved at least one of them. While Bamford gets a lot of stick, he leads the line effectively and suits Bielsa's style of play well. He is clearly not a brilliant finisher but Leeds have not got many goals from their wide players or midfielders either. Augustin, the French striker, has had fitness issues and may not be back in a white shirt. Bielsa favours a tight squad but he can be legitimately criticised for not ensuring we have options up front. However, if the players can deal with the pressure of the closing straight, which has been a huge problem in the past, Leeds are still in a strong position. Fulham will be a massive game.

There's a reason Leeds fans have been on Bamford's back this year. He's not good enough and this showed again yesterday. Several times his touch/control let him down when he had a chance to get in on goal. Leeds dominated possession but apart from one shot that Bamford accidentally blocked they were toothless offered little threat

Whatever about the 1st goal, but the 2nd goal was a quality finish. Id love to know what keeper you think would have stopped that half volley into the bottom corner.

Leeds high energy style isn't suited to these Covid games. Lack of preparation and 5 subs available to the opposition
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 23, 2020, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post.

That is harsh in the extreme. Technically both could be considered 'near post' shots, but the shots themselves were both from central positions, which were reflected in the keeper's positioning. Of more immediate concern for me would be how two of our more revered figures were not able to complete a straightforward pass under no pressure. Such weaknesses will be increasingly found out in our determination to play the ball out on the ground at all times. Both will get the benefit of the doubt of course whilst Bamford is singled out by most for the severest of criticism. Bamford was not good but I thought Costa, and Harrison in particular, were terrible.  Phillips remains a central player but our captain gets a free pass more often than not, as was evidenced in the post mortem for the Derby defeat at home in the play offs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2020, 02:06:51 PM
In fairness to Meslier, he has only turned 20 and kept clear sheets in his two previous games. The frustration is that, while no one played particularly well against Cardiff, Leeds had more than enough possession and chances to win the game. Phillips and Harrison have been excellent all season but were among the main underperformers on the day. They rarely have two poor matches in a row so they can hopefully bounce back against Fulham.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
WBA lost last night
Leeds 1 nil up at half time
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 28, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
Throughout this season, Leeds have regularly controlled games and dominated possession before conceding sloppy goals. It happened in reverse yesterday, and the element of luck which we were overdue produced a crucial result. Bielsa also offered a coaching masterclass, taking off Bamford and Costa at half time after they had combined for the first goal and completing reshaping his midfield. Alioski came off the bench and Harrison switched wings with both scoring, leaving an eight point gap over Brentford in third with seven games left. Four wins will almost certainly get us over the line, but Leeds seldom take the predictable route.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 30, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
The Fulham victory was a huge hurdle to overcome and as Mourne Rover said a rare moment when the luck was definitely on our side. The final scoreline flattered us but underlined the importance of Pablo Hernandez to the team. This was reflected in the fact that he was subbed on and with the result guaranteed, then subbed off again.

The remaining fixtures now appear to be - on paper - somewhat easier, but of course it does not take into account the fact that several of these teams are fighting for their Championship lives. The match tonight being a case in point. Luton drew at home to Preston and won at Swansea, in their last two games, which shows that they cannot be taken lightly.

The ghosts from the home fixture to Wigan on Good Friday last year still haunt me!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Brentford and Fulham are away tonight if that means anything atm. If Leeds win tonight and they both drop points you'll not be caught.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 11:06:25 AM
Brentford may be dark horses for automatic promotion.

One interesting thing about Leeds/WBA is that whenever Leeds slip up so do WBA.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 30, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Brentford and Fulham are away tonight if that means anything atm. If Leeds win tonight and they both drop points you'll not be caught.

That's difficult to argue with and yet as a Leeds fan the number one rule is to express no signs of hope.

Fulham were unlucky to get chinned late on by Brentford and on another day they would not have lost that game against us. However back-to-back defeats is bound to have rocked their confidence and the three game ban handed to Mitrovic is a body blow to them. He is a goal machine at this level.

Brentford on the other hand have had two brilliant wins against what were two of the top three. I'm working on the assumption they are going to win everything from here on in, but of course the Championship is notorious for not following to script, so hope springs eternal. 

Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 11:06:25 AM
Brentford may be dark horses for automatic promotion.

One interesting thing about Leeds/WBA is that whenever Leeds slip up so do WBA.

Brentford do look strong and have the momentum behind them. I could curse the amount of needless points Leeds have thrown away and which would have had them ten points clear at this stage, but of course that is with my Leeds' hat on - I'd say West Brom supporters would have similar laments.

Leeds look to be in a very strong position - but Leeds, and the Championship are so unpredictable. Nothing can be taken for granted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 30, 2020, 02:52:17 PM
All logic suggests that Leeds should be heading for a comfortable win tonight and a decisive advantage going into the last six games. However, Wigan at home at this time last season looked equally nailed on, even more so when we went one up against ten men in the first quarter. It is a question of the players coping with the pressure, keeping their shape, and unlike Fulham on Saturday maintaining their discipline. The empty stadium might just reduce the tension, but you can never really tell with Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 30, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Brentford and Fulham are away tonight if that means anything atm. If Leeds win tonight and they both drop points you'll not be caught.

That's difficult to argue with and yet as a Leeds fan the number one rule is to express no signs of hope.

Fulham were unlucky to get chinned late on by Brentford and on another day they would not have lost that game against us. However back-to-back defeats is bound to have rocked their confidence and the three game ban handed to Mitrovic is a body blow to them. He is a goal machine at this level.

Brentford on the other hand have had two brilliant wins against what were two of the top three. I'm working on the assumption they are going to win everything from here on in, but of course the Championship is notorious for not following to script, so hope springs eternal. 

Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2020, 11:06:25 AM
Brentford may be dark horses for automatic promotion.

One interesting thing about Leeds/WBA is that whenever Leeds slip up so do WBA.

Brentford do look strong and have the momentum behind them. I could curse the amount of needless points Leeds have thrown away and which would have had them ten points clear at this stage, but of course that is with my Leeds' hat on - I'd say West Brom supporters would have similar laments.

Leeds look to be in a very strong position - but Leeds, and the Championship are so unpredictable. Nothing can be taken for granted.
Brentford are one up
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
Leeds would need to take advantage against bottom club Luton tonight....

0-0 ht
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 09:48:18 PM
Jesus Leeds really are an odd team
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on June 30, 2020, 09:51:33 PM
At least that LUTV presenter is easy on the eyes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 30, 2020, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2020, 09:51:33 PM
At least that LUTV presenter is easy on the eyes.

That sounds like the delectable Emma. It would take something like her to balance the spectacle of a team that simply repeats the trend of so many matches over the years. Leeds simply are what they were 18 months ago, 15 months ago and 6 months ago - a very fit team with no cutting edge.

Brentford are like a runaway train at the moment and they must be good things for one of the automatic promotion places despite being third. Beaten by Cardiff, somewhat fortunate against Fulham and getting a point at home to the bottom club - I can see this season ending once again in disaster.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 30, 2020, 11:02:12 PM
It was a disappointing result but every point gets us closer to the finishing line so Rufus and all the rest of us need to keep taking deep breaths. While we should clearly have beaten Luton, they are on a decent run and beat Brentford just before the break. We are six clear with six to go, so even an average set of results will do the job. Wasting great opportunities remains the big concern, with the late misses from Bamford and Costa barely believable, and the lack of striking options is quite an indictment. The Dallas injury will not help, and we cannot rely on Bamford, but a goal or two from Harrison or Roberts would change everything. It is probably just as well that the bars are opening again as we are going to need a drink before this is over.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 01, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
I can't even watch it at the moment. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2020, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Brentford and Fulham are away tonight if that means anything atm. If Leeds win tonight and they both drop points you'll not be caught.

Apologise for this. Going to stay away.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 01, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 01, 2020, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Brentford and Fulham are away tonight if that means anything atm. If Leeds win tonight and they both drop points you'll not be caught.

Apologise for this. Going to stay away.

;D

Believe me, long standing Leeds' fans who should know better (and I include myself in that), have made the same mistake countless times.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on July 01, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
If that's the state of affairs at Leeds, it might just be the time for Uri Geller.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 05, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
Yesterday's win at Blackburn was a massive one, but, in typical Leeds fashion, a dominant performance was accompanied by some dodgy moments. If Blackburn had not missed a couple of open goals early on, it would have been a different game. Leeds are on a fine run, with 22 points out of the last 27, but Brentford have managed five wins on the bounce and their remaining five fixtures are favourable. If they win them all, which on their present form is possible, it could be a very tight finish between them, Leeds and West Brom. As ever, it is a question of dealing with the pressure.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 05, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
Hard to see Brentford managing 10  in a row. They went on a run maybe in January and ran out of gas.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on July 05, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2020, 02:52:05 PM
Hard to see Brentford managing 10  in a row. They went on a run maybe in January and ran out of gas.

Villa did it last season, having shown no form all season up to that point. And they don't need to win 10 in a row, just 5. The 5 they've already won are already won.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 05, 2020, 04:01:34 PM
Brentford's programme is Charlton H, Derby A, Preston H, Stoke A and Barnsley H. You never know in the Championship but they have a decent chance of maximum points from four of those and even a win at Derby is far from impossible on present form. Leeds fans will expect Brentford to get five out of five, meaning that three wins, a draw and a defeat during the same period would definitely see us home. There is not a huge margin of error there, so a wobble for Brentford would be welcome.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: illdecide on July 05, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Leeds United are plotting an ambitious move for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard if they secure promotion to England's top flight...Stay away Leeds please.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ned on July 06, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 05, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Leeds United are plotting an ambitious move for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard if they secure promotion to England's top flight...Stay away Leeds please.

Odsonne is destined for bigger things. Leeds would be a stepping stone, like VVD to Southampton, and under Bielsa a good one. Hoping he goes straight to a big team like Bayern or Juve!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 07, 2020, 03:25:42 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 05, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Leeds United are plotting an ambitious move for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard if they secure promotion to England's top flight...Stay away Leeds please.

Talk like this makes me distinctly nervous. At this stage of next season, we could be desperately hoping for a win to take us out of the Championship relegation zone, having lost Bielsa after failure to win the 2019 / 20 play offs and having sold all the family china to make ends meet, with Phillips strutting his stuff with Leicester.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 07, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
Not trying to make you more nervous, but if Leeds do go up.. have they the dough to invest heavily?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 07, 2020, 11:27:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
Not trying to make you more nervous, but if Leeds do go up.. have they the dough to invest heavily?

A good question and I'm not sure I have the answer. Some of the other Leeds' supporters here might have better insight.

At this moment in time though, I would say a resounding 'no'. Radrizzani is rich but not by the standards of other football club owners and his investment in Bielsa - along with some investment in the squad - appears to be very much a major financial gamble to try and get them to the promised land. However it is my understanding that if Leeds don't go up, then a lot of the playing assets will be let go as we cut our cloth, and there is an acceptance that Bielsa - the highest paid manager in the division - will be off.

However behind all of that are the stories that come to the fore every now and then linking Leeds with Qatar Sports Investments, with Radrizzani said to be close friends with very influential / important people in Qatar. These stories include talk of Leeds becoming a feeder club for PSG, with Leeds getting a lot of favourable loan deals for top class players.

It could all be pie in the sky, but the sense I always got was that Radrizzani was desperate to get Leeds to the Premier League and to cash in big time on his investment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 09, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
That was an outstanding performance from Leeds this evening, even if Stoke engaged in comical defending for the first two goals. Seven points from the final four games to guarantee promotion is a great prospect until we remember that last year, needing ten points out of the last 12, we only managed one. It is difficult to see a collapse on such a scale again, but it is still a roller coaster league. The pressure was all on Leeds tonight and the squad delivered in a big way. Brentford have no margin for error away to Derby on Saturday so the spotlight moves on to them.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 09, 2020, 11:40:19 PM
On 44 mins I feared the worst for Leeds. Then the floodgates opened. I think that was the game Leeds needed to see this through.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 12, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
Swansea 0 Leeds 1

Hernández, 89th minute
That is winning in style.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 12, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Hernandez is a gem, pure and simple. Leeds have now taken 28 points out of the last 33, which is magnificent form under the pressure which is out there. No one will have forgotten the late collapse which followed the Wigan disaster last season, so hopefully the players will be calmer than the fans going into the Barnsley game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 12, 2020, 11:36:13 PM
A victory that for me brought back memories of the late winner scored by Roofe at Villa Park at Christmas 2018. I was elated then and was elated today.

Some have described today's goal by Pablo as the most important since we got relegated. It's maybe splitting hairs, but for me Beckford's against Bristol Rovers in 2010 slightly shades it. Regardless though, it was a huge goal in a huge match.

We are well placed, yes, but I refuse to count any chickens.  :-X
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 13, 2020, 10:11:20 AM
I think playing behind closed doors is helping them in that there's no crowd tension.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 13, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 13, 2020, 10:11:20 AM
I think playing behind closed doors is helping them in that there's no crowd tension.

I think they learned some massive lessons about football (and themselves) last season.  Not there yet. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 13, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
The Covid break meant they weren't as tired.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dublin7 on July 13, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 12, 2020, 11:36:13 PM
A victory that for me brought back memories of the late winner scored by Roofe at Villa Park at Christmas 2018. I was elated then and was elated today.

Some have described today's goal by Pablo as the most important since we got relegated. It's maybe splitting hairs, but for me Beckford's against Bristol Rovers in 2010 slightly shades it. Regardless though, it was a huge goal in a huge match.

We are well placed, yes, but I refuse to count any chickens.  :-X

Getting out of League One was a far bigger deal than getting out of the championship. Without that goal things could have gotten alot worse for Leeds and no telling how long it would have taken to turn things around.

A  win against Barnsley should be enough. The 5-0 hammering of Stoke was a huge boos to their goal difference as well and puts them ahead of West Brom if they finish level on points. That's worth an extra point at this stage of the season
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 13, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
Getting out of league one was important, but Leeds had already been there for three seasons, and, with big crowds still turning up, a fourth year might have been manageable. The club has now been outside the premiership since 2004 and the recruitment of Bielsa as part of a hugely expensive coaching team was widely regarded as a last throw of the dice. If promotion does not follow, Bielsa and many of the senior players will undoubtedly go and a struggle at the wrong end of the championship looks inevitable. All the covid upheaval piles on the financial pressure so it is an exceptionally nervous period.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2020, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
The Covid break meant they weren't as tired.

That was always my hope. In Sky's brilliant documentary,  'Bielsa: El Loco & Leeds', the excellent Tim Vickery remarked on the trait Bielsa's teams have of running out of steam late in the season. Indeed his league titles with Newells Old Boys were achieved over shortened league seasons; I think they possibly have two winners in each year in Argentina.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 14, 2020, 12:45:42 AM
Well lads, I was close to tears the way we won on Sunday. It was a 5.30 am kick off here so couldn't too crazy at 7.30 am.
I think ye said it all, we are so close. I won't celebrate until its done.

The break suited us and so does no crowd, its taken a lot of that added pressure off. We have a fully fit squad except for forshaw and having Pablo, Alioski and Douglas to come on each game gives us a massive boost after teams are ran into the ground.

I don't think many people realize how much was riding on this year financially. We had to get up and its kind of a miracle too doing without a second striker really.

The turning point for me this season was Brentford away, that draw was huge and we won 5 in a row after. Either way, this week looks to be the week.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2020, 10:58:58 AM
This year they have been very consistent. First after 10, 29 and 37 games.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2020, 01:15:07 PM
Phillips, a key figure in the Leeds set up, is out of the Barnsley game and according to Bielsa may not play again this season. We should be able to restructure but it all adds to the tension.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2020, 08:24:10 PM
West Brom have dropped 4 points in their last 2 matches and will be 1 point ahead of Brentford if the latter win tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 16, 2020, 12:15:53 AM
Brentford won, albeit not very convincingly but they won't  be worried. The result was everything.

Phillips is a big miss. When he was suspended,  White played in Phillips' role and Berardi joined Cooper in the middle of the defence. I'm never sure just how effective White is in that role but I assume that is the way we will play.

We are currently top and playing the bottom side at home. Form would suggest it should be a win, but you can never make assumptions with Leeds, as the home fixture against Luton showed.

It's hardly crystal ball gazing to know that Leeds will dominate and have the majority of the chances. The key will be taking those chances and killing off the Barnsley challenge early. However, spurrning chances will leave the potential for a nervous afternoon. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2020, 12:26:48 AM
Brentford could actually win this league! Wow, some run
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 16, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
Jees, that was a hard earned win for Leeds. They looked busted at the end.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 16, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Just 1 more point required for Leeds?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 17, 2020, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
Jees, that was a hard earned win for Leeds. They looked busted at the end.

Correcto Shane.

As bad performance as I can recall under Bielsa, but the result was huge. Outplayed by Barnsley - who I felt sorry for - and we were on the ropes for most of the second half but I'll take it.

One more point will do it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Who should play in goal for the last 2 matches?

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/marcelo-bielsa-say-kiko-casilla-18594287

Interesting from January

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/marcelo-bielsa-s-leeds-will-not-risk-promotion-target-at-arsenal-1.4131100?mode=amp

Leeds cannot dare dilute their chase for automatic promotion. In five previous attempts at the play-offs, dating back to losing to Charlton in May 1987, Leeds failed to win promotion each time. Nine-goal thrillers at St Andrew's are unsustainable for a club so prone to late-season heebie jeebies. Not even Bielsa's staunchest admirers have yet explained away his teams' historic problems in lasting a full season of the intensity he prescribes


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 17, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 17, 2020, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
Jees, that was a hard earned win for Leeds. They looked busted at the end.

Correcto Shane.

As bad performance as I can recall under Bielsa, but the result was huge. Outplayed by Barnsley - who I felt sorry for - and we were on the ropes for most of the second half but I'll take it.

One more point will do it.

This is the one I was dreading - local derby against a team with nothing to lose, fighting for their lives (and their careers).  Really missing Phillips, already. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 17, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
Going into yesterday's game, Leeds were 1/200 with Paddy Power to get promoted. However, every Leeds fan knew we were still capable of blowing it and our worst fears could easily have been realised. Phillips is a crucial player, protecting the back four, giving the central midfielders space to operate and pushing early ball to the wingers. In his absence, no one that played badly but there was a collective nervousness and lack of certainty across the field. There is no doubt Barnsley should have won, but there were so many games earlier in the season that Leeds dominated but managed to lose in freak circumstances that an element of karma may have been at work. While West Brom and Brentford will probably keep winning, there would be something sweet about clinching the championship at Derby. It's been such a long hard road that some of us will be sweating if we still need a point from the last match.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
Huddersfield one up....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
Huddersfield one up....

West Brom are the new Leeds.
Did very well until they started a meltdown recently.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 17, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
Congrats Leeds on promotion. Still hard to believe a club of their size and tradition has stayed 16 years away from the Premier league.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 17, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Good to see Leeds back up....can't beat having another Manc hating club in the top division!  We will give you back Milner next season once you get yourselves settled back up!  For Boots and Rufus et al great stuff!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 17, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 17, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
Good to see Leeds back up....can't beat having another Manc hating club in the top division!  We will give you back Milner next season once you get yourselves settled back up!  For Boots and Rufus et al great stuff!

Congrats to Leeds but Milner is going no where!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
You only have to look through the first few pages of this thread to see the journey they've been on.

Good to see them back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on July 17, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
Congrats Billy Boots
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 17, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
Rufus started the thread during a bleak time in 2007 and a few other elderly contributors including this one are there on the first page. It's been a long tough road and it's brilliant to be back where we belong. Bielsa is nothing less than a genius and, with a decent recruitment policy, is capable of making quite an impact in the premiership. The entire squad deserves enormous credit so, after being put through an emotional wringer from the financial collapse almost 20 years ago to the agonies of last season, a glass of the finest Malbec - Argentinian obviously - awaits.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Sportacus on July 17, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Glad they're back.  They're a big club and fixtures like Leeds and United will be great.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: sid waddell on July 17, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Leeds have a mystique that very few other clubs have. That 1960s/70s team is one of the all time legendary teams in football history. They were bastards but they were beautiful bastards. It's great to see them back in top division and it'd be amazing to see them back up there challenging for the title. They have impeccable taste in bitter rivals.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyCake on July 17, 2020, 10:44:40 PM
Leeds certainly paid for their season or two spending above their means, with 16 years in the footballing wilderness.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 17, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
It is good to see Leeds back in the top flight. It is strange that they stayed outside of the premier league for so long.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 18, 2020, 12:11:37 AM
Great to see them back, likes of them and Forest brings a bit extra to it all imo.

I was the same last year with Villa though their stay could be short lived...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 18, 2020, 12:21:00 AM

In 16 years, 2 months, 7 days since relegation LUFC has had:

410 second tier games
77 third tier games
15 points deducted
16 managers
5 owners
4 playoff fails
1 administration
1 stadium sale

Ye've been through thick and thin

TAKE US HOME LADS 🙏
💛💙💛💙
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 18, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Great to see Leeds overcome their heebie jeebies and make it back to the top division. Bielsa did a superb job.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on July 18, 2020, 02:34:07 PM
Time to believe. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 18, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
Leeds have not exactly had a brilliant record when the pressure has really be on over recent years so to have firstly promotion and then the championship confirmed on consecutive days when we did not actually play was a wonderful experience. Derby will probably have to give us a guard of honour tomorrow as another little bonus.

The figures provided by The Bunker earlier may be slightly outdated as 13 seasons in the championship at 46 games each works out at 598, three in league one is 138 and we have had another ten play-off fixtures for a total of 746 matches since we were last in the premiership. It has been a journey and a half but Bielsa has taken us home.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: trailer on July 19, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
Are all Leeds fans 50+?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on July 19, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 19, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
Are all Leeds fans 50+?

I was in school with a handful, who would be late 30's now. But they all had older brothers who had indoctrinated them. Most Leeds fans in Ireland would be children of the late 60's I guess. I used to work with a lot of guys of that vintage from inner city Dublin who were/are obsessive Leeds fans. There is a pub in the Liberties (Baker's I think) that has a whole corner of the pub dedicated to Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 19, 2020, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 19, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
Are all Leeds fans 50+?

There would be a few in their 30's+ from a successful ears Wilkinson circa 1992 and the O'Leary years 1998-2002
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2020, 01:37:15 PM
Leeds have been very volatile over the last 40 years compared to say Tottenham who didn't win the League but stayed in the top division. Leeds came out of the second division to win in 92. They went down again and spent a long time down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 19, 2020, 02:41:07 PM
One word for the madness of Leeds the last 2 decades - Ridsdale!

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 19, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
Congratulations to Leeds and their fans.
You'll be missed in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
Lriverpool Uni academic Kieran Maguire estimates that Leeds' total budget over the 16 year exile from the PL was £458 million. This equatea to.less than a year's income for one of the big PL teams in 2018/19
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 20, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
Thanks to the non Leeds contributors here for the congratulations and a group e-hug for the regular Leeds' supporters!! There have been half a dozen or so regulars here over the years and a few more besides willing us on.

What a weekend that was!! The Barnsley game reflected the worries I had that the team might bottle a wonderful opportunity, but looking back at that game now, and indeed more besides, I think it showed that this season we have had one valuable commodity that has been missing in other seasons - luck!

When we moved on to Friday and Huddersfield produced a win against the odds - getting a winner despite coming under severe pressure - and then Brentford getting chinned by Stoke on Saturday to win us the league. Up to Saturday, Brentford were playing like an irresistible force - was it pressure that undone them, as they suddenly had their own destiny in their own hands? 

We then moved to Pride Park yesterday, where I have to say the team looked totally hungover and without a worry in the world, went down one nil and then cantered to a 3-1 victory with a team showing seven changes.

Sixteen years, and many of those years were dark in the extreme. The light is now shining brightly and my nephew - a 15 year old Chelsea fanatic - will hopefully soon see why anyone would support Leeds.

Leeds are back! MOT.   8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 20, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Congrats to the Leeds men.  Long suffering.  Will be a great addition to the PL. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Daily Telegraph

"Marcelo Bielsa, whose humility and fierce work ethic have healed Leeds United. Typically, he spent the early part of the lockdown studying every goal scored from a set-piece in Europe's top five leagues this season and instructed his coaches to devise ways of exploiting their findings."
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on July 20, 2020, 06:32:53 PM
I am more pleased for Marcelo Bielsa who is one of a kind and who has suffered the slings and arrows.
Maybe the covid pause also benefited  Leeds more, avoiding the 'Bielsa burnout' phase in the last third of the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 21, 2020, 02:03:24 AM
The last 16 years were tough, I have been to more games in league 1 than premiership.
Relegation x 2
Administration
10-point deduction
15-point deduction
Brink of liquidation
League one  x 3 seasons
Lost playoff final x 2
Lost play off semi x 2
Defeat to Histon
14th, 13th, 15th, 15th, 13th
Owners x 5
Managers x 19

And the only reason ever that crowds ever went down was to oust corrupt owners taking money out of the club. So drink every moment of the this last few days in Lads. We are Leeds United and we are back.

Premiership starts on Sept 12/13th happy f**king days MOT
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 21, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
Ye may have a word with Deportivo La Coruña. Dropped to third tier after some dizzy heights 15 yrs ago.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 21, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
Ye may have a word with Deportivo La Coruña. Dropped to third tier after some dizzy heights 15 yrs ago.

I remember Leeds beating them over two very tight legs in a Champions League quarter final in 2001 - how things change. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 21, 2020, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 21, 2020, 02:03:24 AM
The last 16 years were tough........

........We are Leeds United and we are back.

Great post, SLIGONIAN.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 21, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on July 21, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
Ye may have a word with Deportivo La Coruña. Dropped to third tier after some dizzy heights 15 yrs ago.

I remember Leeds beating them over two very tight legs in a Champions League quarter final in 2001 - how things change.

Correct Billy - beat them 3-0 at home and were hanging on by our fingernails at the end of the second leg.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2020, 09:46:45 PM
This a good summmary

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/17/leeds-uniteds-wilderness-years-bates-cellino-administration/


Leeds United's wilderness years: From Bates to Cellino, administration and sackings... and now the Bielsa revival
Leeds are back in the Premier League after a 16-year absence filled with problems off the pitch and near-misses on it
By
Luke Edwards
17 July 2020 • 7:45pm


Marcelo Bielsa (centre) is on the verge of leading Leeds out from the wilderness

Leeds United spent 16 years outside of the Premier League; a club that reached for the stars, missed, crash-landed and been paying the price ever since.
A club that became a cautionary tale and then a source of amusement for rivals, the punchline to too many jokes and a case study in under-achievement.
But now the pain is over, after West Brom slumped to a 2-1 defeat at Huddersfield.
Relegation and financial implosion
Leeds United were ambitious, too ambitious. Having qualified for the Champions League, spending big money to do so, the gamble backfired. By the time they were relegated in 2004, having borrowed money based on top-four income streams, they did not only lose Premier League status, they sold the family silver.
The best players had already been transferred to raise emergency funds - Rio Ferdinand, Jonathan Woodgate, Mark Viduka and James Milner to name a few - when the club was also forced to sell Elland Road and its Thorp Arch training ground. The debt was out of control. A death spiral had begun.
Yet, in their first season in the Championship under manager Kevin Blackwell, Leeds almost avoided the implosion that was to follow. With a new owner - the former Chelsea boss Ken Bates, who took a controlling stake for just £10 million - they reached the play-off final in 2006.
"It's going to be a tough job and the first task is to stabilise the cash flow and sort out the remaining creditors," Bates said.
"But there is light at the end of a very long tunnel. For the past year it has been a matter of firefighting - now we can start running the club again."
He might have been right if Leeds had won that play-off game, but they lost to Watford 3-0. It was a costly defeat. What followed was torturous for those who had cheered their team on in a Champions League semi-final against Valencia five years earlier.

A dejected Shaun Derry after conceding a penalty during the play-off Final at the Millennium Stadium Credit: GETTY IMAGES
Blackwell was sacked a few months into the following season after a poor start, but Leeds had no money, relying on free transfers and loans to reshape the squad. John Carver replaced him but could not arrest the decline. In came Dennis Wise and Gus Poyet, but they were just as bad. Bates had not stabilised the cash flow and with relegation to League One all but assured, Leeds entered administration in May 2007. The 10-point penalty imposed by the Football League confirmed it.
The League One Years
Put up for sale by administrators KPMG that summer, Bates was, remarkably, allowed to buy the club again, but the Football League was unimpressed and imposed another 15-point penalty before a ball had been kicked in the third tier.
It briefly brought Leeds together in defiance. Supporters were united in their sense of injustice. Wise and Poyet fuelled the victim complex. Leeds against the world, just as it has always been in club folklore.
The fans briefly relished the adventure of unusual trips to Yeovil and Leyton Orient. The club's away following, in particular, was remarkable in that division, but it was not the short stay they envisaged. Despite the 15-point penalty, Leeds still made the play-offs, but lost to Yorkshire rivals Doncaster Rovers. Wise had already left to become Director of Football at Newcastle, Poyet joined the coaching staff at Tottenham, and they were replaced by club legend Gary McAllister.
He was, in turn, replaced by another former player, Simon Grayson, who had done a fantastic job with Blackpool in the lower leagues. He did a good one at Leeds, too. In his first season, they lost in the play-offs again, this time to old enemy Millwall in the semi-finals. Grayson, though, got the football club. He understood it, he had been a supporter long before he became manager.
In 2010, he secured promotion back to the Championship on the back of the best start to a season by a Leeds team. But they almost threw it away. A late-season wobble, which became something of a trademark in the years that followed, meant they only secured promotion on the final day as runners-up to Norwich City. It was memorable season, though, which also brought an FA Cup win over Manchester United at Old Trafford and the goals of star striker Jermaine Beckford, a sensational signing from non-league Wealdstone, made them a potent threat.

Jermaine Beckford provided Leeds fans with a memorable moment against their old rivals Credit: GETTY IMAGES
A missed opportunity
Leeds still did not have much money and despite promotion, fans were restless. The team had momentum and a popular manager, but the loss of Beckford, on a free transfer to Everton, was galling. Beckford scored 71 goals in just 126 appearances, but Leeds had become a club for stronger, richer ones to feed off. It stung.
Despite the departure of his best player, Grayson managed the following season superbly. He had a strong team, a powerful midfield pairing of Neil Kilkenny and Bradley Johnson combined with an attack of Robert Snodgrass, Jonny Howson, Max Gradel and Luciano Becchio. They also had a young Kasper Schmeichel in goal. The fact six of those seven went on to play in the Premier League, but not with Leeds, tells the story of a club that could not hold on to its best players.
Grayson got them in the promotion hunt, but Bates refused to let him spend any money in the January window, most notably on Ipswich centre-half Gareth McAuley, with the manager arguing he needed an experienced head because of a season-ending injury to Paddy Kisnorbo.

Simon Grayson managed Leeds from 2008 to 2012 Credit: Action Images / Paul Currie Livepic
Bates said he was too old and too expensive at £400,000. McAuley moved to West Brom that summer and spent the next seven years in the Premier League and played for Northern Ireland at Euro 2016. Leeds finished 7th.
Bates was already a divisive figure, but that refusal to invest tipped many fans over the edge. When some protested, Bates described them as "morons".
"I got on well with him [Bates]," said Grayson, looking back on his time at Elland Road. "But you did feel as well like you're let down because you wanted to move forward. I just don't think the club had the money to do it. And did they have the ambition to do it? Probably not.
"They'd seen what the club had gone through financially and didn't want to go through that. But the odd little gamble... I wasn't wanting millions on players. Half a million on this, that and the other would have helped us go along the line."
Championship purgatory
Grayson could not repeat the trick and a poor start, confounded by the loss of key players, led to the sack. In came Neil Warnock in February 2012. A prominent Sheffield United fan, Warnock was a controversial choice, but his reign is largely forgotten amid the wreckage of what came after.
With his team hovering in mid-table, more worried about relegation than promotion much of the time, the club was sold to GFH Capital in November. Turmoil in the boardroom followed and Leeds fell into decline once more.
Brian McDermott replaced Warnock, but he could not turn the trawler around. Like all who preceded and followed him, McDermott spoke well, had big plans, but failed.
"Whatever has gone, has gone and now we're building something else," he told The Telegraph in 2014. "The history of a football club is important. You respect the past, but you also have to focus on trying to build something new that means we can be successful again.
"We want to write our own history, not constantly hark back to what other people did. No club has fallen harder than Leeds and the reverberations are still being felt."
McDermott was "sacked" by new owner Massimo Cellino just 13 days after this interview was published, the first in a series of volatile decisions by the Italian.
McDermott stayed on, a dead man walking, as despite being informed he was being replaced, Cellino had acted prematurely and did not yet have control of the club. When Cellino did finally take control a month later, McDermott remained but the team's form over the course of the second half of the 2013/14 campaign was dreadful. The team dropped out of the play-off places and into relegation trouble, before a late rally saved them. McDermott resigned that summer.
It was the start of a storm. Cellino was colourful, combative and controversial. His first managerial appointment was the unheralded Dave Hockaday, the former Forest Green Rovers manager impressing the Italian during the interview stage.
Appointed in June, to much head scratching, his contract was terminated on August 24 after a League Cup defeat to League One Bradford City. He won one game and spent just 70 days in the job. Unlike Brian Clough, he did not make Leeds regret their decision and the former Blackpool and Swindon Town player is currently the Head of Men's Football South Gloucestershire and Shroud College.
Cellino had initially failed the fit-and-proper-person's test for owners, but launched a legal challenge and won on appeal. Darko Milanic was named as Hockaday's replacement, but left the following month and was replaced by caretaker manager Neil Redfearn.
Relegation, not promotion, looked more likely as Cellino was forced to stop taking day-to-day control of the club when the Football League unearthed documents showing he had a conviction for tax fraud in Italy. The ban lasted from December 2014 to April 2015, with a furious Cellino claiming he would not return in February, only to do so when the ban ended.

Massimo Cellino played a hands-on role at the club Credit: GETTY IMAGES
It was a huge distraction and although Redfearn avoided a disastrous return to League One, his relationship with Cellino was never a good one and he was replaced by Uwe Rosler in the summer of 2015, who in turn was removed shortly after for Steve Evans.
These years were perhaps the hardest of all to endure. The club was chaotic, the fan-base disillusioned and divided. But amid all the melodrama, Cellino was doing something for the long-term benefit of the club, stripping staff numbers back from 700 to just over 200. It was painful cost-cutting but he was getting ready to sell. Many were furious at the time, but there was one more near miss in store.
When Garry Monk arrived in June 2016, he was an exciting young manager who had done well in his first job at Swansea. Leeds were impressive too, particularly with New Zealand international Chris Wood up front.
Only Newcastle United could boast a better centre-forward in the Championship in Andy Carroll and for much of the campaign, Leeds kept the pressure on the Magpies and Brighton at the top of the table.

Another takeover was perhaps a distraction, Cellino selling a 50 per cent stake to Andrea Radrizzani in January. Having been in the play-off places for the majority of the campaign, Leeds fell apart, winning just one of their last eight games to slip out of the top six. It was another agonising collapse, with some accusing Monk, who was only on a one-year rolling contract, of losing his appetite for the job as he had already decided to move to Middlesbrough, which he did later that summer.
Rejuvenation and to the brink of promotion
Radrizzani, who took a 100 per cent stake in the summer of 2017, has not been the perfect owner for Leeds, but he has been ambitious, bold, and, after a difficult start, has been the only one during the wilderness years who has backed up his words with deeds.
He has made mistakes and his first season was not a successful one. His first manager, Thomas Christiansen, lasted a few months, replaced by Barnsley boss Paul Heckingbottom, who never managed to convince a sceptical fan base he was the right man. He lasted four months.
Radrizzani, though, was unperturbed. Having initially arrived with a five-year plan to get back into the Premier League, he switched to a three-year one. He invested heavily and, in June 2018, struck the jackpot, luring the esteemed and celebrated Marcelo Bielsa to Elland Road.

Marcelo Bielsa completely transformed Leeds' style on the pitch Credit: PA
He gambled and, this time, Leeds appear to have won. The consequences of missing out on promotion this season were likely to have been catastrophic given the size of the wage bill compared to turnover, but we do not have to consider that now. Radrizzani has not only built a strong team, he has also bought the stadium and the training ground again. The plans for the future are impressive.
There was more suffering last season, when Leeds were the best team in the league for two thirds of the campaign, only to look exhausted and nervous in the spring as the weight of history and a gruelling Championship became too much to carry. The defeat to Derby County in the play-off semi-finals could have been the end of this team, instead it was the start.
"When we returned for pre-season training, I expected there to be problems," Pablo Hernandez told Telegraph Sport back in November. "I thought the players would return with their heads down, thinking about the negatives, but it was not like this at all.
"I was so proud, from the first day we came with a lot of energy, with a lot of belief. We knew we had lost a big chance, but we wanted to make sure we had another one this year. There was nobody feeling sorry for themselves, I realised then that this season would be a good one. Why if we had one good season could we not have another?"
History is about to be made, but the rest will not be forgotten. Leeds are back where they belong, but they will always remember how long it took to get there.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 23, 2020, 08:41:42 AM
Cruised to a 4-0 victory over Charlton last night at Elland Road to end the season on a magnificent 93 points, which is ten points clear of West Brom in second place. Any future analysis of the league table will not reflect how stressful the whole campaign was.

Leeds played in their last two games like a team with no pressure whatsoever, which contrasts so much with the end of last season, when all the games had so much riding on them, and the team folded under the weight. 

It's strange, because I was perusing the table from our last promotion to the top flight in 1989/90 and I note that we only won the league on goal difference over Sheffield United and yet my memory was that we cruised it!!

Very interesting to now see the transfer speculation, with Cavani mentioned ( :o) and if Fulham don't get promoted, Mitrovic also being talked about. I've also seen us linked with Kieffer Moore of Wigan. Interesting times ahead!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 23, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
Interesting to see that Barnsley played out of their skins again last night and won at Griffin Park, after beating Forest at the weekend, and avoiding the drop - that seemed very unlikely a month ago, and emphasises that their excellent performance at Elland Road was not a fluke. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 23, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on July 23, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
Interesting to see that Barnsley played out of their skins again last night and won at Griffin Park, after beating Forest at the weekend, and avoiding the drop - that seemed very unlikely a month ago, and emphasises that their excellent performance at Elland Road was not a fluke.

Was glad to see it Billy. They so deserved something from their visit to us. Was surprised at Brentford's late collapse. They seemed unbeatable until such time as their fate was in their own hands and then the pressure seemed to tell. Would love to see the Bees go up through the play-offs. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 23, 2020, 10:30:01 AM
Rufus will recall that, the last time we were promoted to the top league, we won it two seasons later. Not even the most optimistic Leeds fan would be expecting a repeat performance, but the scale of the club and the support base out there means that, with proper recruitment, a mid table finish is a reasonable target for 2021. Keeping White would give us an enormous boost, but we are still going to need another central defender, central midfielder and striker anyway. If we get the right players, and of course Bielsa stays, it is quite a prospect. Knowing Leeds, there will still be a few twists along the way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 24, 2020, 06:18:23 PM
I agree Mourne Rover, I remember Leeds finished 4th the last time we got promoted then won it. Depends how we do on transfers. Top 10 finish is possible if we keep Ben white and add to that especially a striker will be the target.

For me as you say Leeds getting promoted is different than other teams in that the revenue generated gives us a better chance of pushing on.

Leicester got promoted and the next season 2014/15 they had to go on a crazy run to stay up (winning 7 of the last 9 after only winning 4 of 29) then in 2015/16 won the league. Football is crazy so I am optimisitc. The aura of Bielsa looms large and 8 less games will suit us massively. I know we finished this season strong but no guarntees it would of been the same without the break. Cautiously very Optimistic just saying :o

But I remember being back in College in 01 and I did a powerpoint presentation on Leeds for my communications subject with predictions and needless to say I was way off on Leeds future which my mates remind me of a lot lol. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on July 24, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
Regarding Ben White. Given his potential, why would Brighton even contemplate selling him right now? Likelihood is he will only get more valuable. I suspect they are more likely to let Shane Duffy leave, leaving them with Dunk, Webster and White.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 25, 2020, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: shark on July 24, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
Regarding Ben White. Given his potential, why would Brighton even contemplate selling him right now? Likelihood is he will only get more valuable. I suspect they are more likely to let Shane Duffy leave, leaving them with Dunk, Webster and White.

I think that's fair comment. What I would say though is that he has never played Premier League football, so it might be argued that he has still to prove himself at that level and now - when his market value is very high - might possibly be the right time to cash in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 17, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
I see that a move for Ben White is looking increasingly unlikely, with Liverpool, Man United and Spurs all interested which will push the fee towards £50 million. The BBC mentioning reports that we might be in for Freiburg's defender Robin Koch.

We are also being linked with central defender Lucas Martinez Quarta of River Plate and Argentinian wonder kid Thiago Almada of Velez Sarsfield who is reported to be desperate to play under Bielsa.

Transfers confirmed are Joe Gelhardt from Wigan and Cody Drameh from Fulham and Jack Harrison has had a third year on loan confirmed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on August 25, 2020, 04:08:26 PM
Kalvin Phillips named in the England Squad.

Jack Grealish yet to be called up, 4 years after declaring for England.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyroneman on August 25, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2020, 04:08:26 PM
Kalvin Phillips named in the England Squad.

Jack Grealish yet to be called up, 4 years after declaring for England.

Could Grealish revert back to Ireland so?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on August 25, 2020, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 25, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2020, 04:08:26 PM
Kalvin Phillips named in the England Squad.

Jack Grealish yet to be called up, 4 years after declaring for England.

Could Grealish revert back to Ireland so?

No, he can't change back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on August 26, 2020, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2020, 04:08:26 PM
Kalvin Phillips named in the England Squad.

Jack Grealish yet to be called up, 4 years after declaring for England.

Obviously Phillips and Grealish play different positions so there isn't really a comparison between the two selections.  Phillips deserves his call up.

As an Irish Villa fan I still have a wee chuckle that he hasn't got his call up yet but in all honesty it is a disgrace.

Rodrigo Moreno would be a good signing for Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 12, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
Great to see Leeds back in the top flight as another season begins.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Bronco on September 12, 2020, 03:31:41 PM
I agree. Best side to watch in England last season along with Man Utd. Hopefully they liven up what was a drab top-flight last season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
Leeds produced an outstanding display at Liverpool yesterday and were hugely unlucky not to get a point. Most Leeds fans wanted the new signings Koch and Rodrigo to be introduced immediately so it was ironic that they were responsible for three of the four Liverpool goals. However, they will improve when they settle in and the rest of the team was brilliant. If that standard can be maintained, we are in for quite a season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Bronco on September 13, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Leeds were a joy to watch,as they have been throughout Bielsa's time in charge. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go straight back down but whatever happens they're guaranteed to be entertaining.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
Leeds produced an outstanding display at Liverpool yesterday and were hugely unlucky not to get a point. Most Leeds fans wanted the new signings Koch and Rodrigo to be introduced immediately so it was ironic that they were responsible for three of the four Liverpool goals. However, they will improve when they settle in and the rest of the team was brilliant. If that standard can be maintained, we are in for quite a season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on September 13, 2020, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: Bronco on September 12, 2020, 03:31:41 PM
I agree. Best side to watch in England last season along with Man Utd. Hopefully they liven up what was a drab top-flight last season.

Bad defenses make for open high scoring games. Teams that play that way all season won't win titles. Liverpool yesterday reminded me of Klopps early days at Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: J70 on September 13, 2020, 02:25:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2020, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: Bronco on September 12, 2020, 03:31:41 PM
I agree. Best side to watch in England last season along with Man Utd. Hopefully they liven up what was a drab top-flight last season.

Bad defenses make for open high scoring games. Teams that play that way all season won't win titles. Liverpool yesterday reminded me of Klopps early days at Liverpool.

Same defense had the best record last year, despite basically switching off after the title was won.

Leeds look like a side who will score a lot of goals.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 13, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/09/12/even-defeat-marcelo-bielsa-proved-leeds-box-office-premier/

Sitting on an upturned bucket, sipping coffee from a disposable cup: perhaps this was always how Marcelo Bielsa envisaged toasting Leeds' first top-flight goal for 16 years. After all, it is at the Costa beside the River Wharfe in Wetherby, just around the corner from his flat, that he likes to map out his team's tactics in painstaking detail. His dress-down chic has become his trademark, cemented when he turned up to a black-tie dinner at Elland Road in his club tracksuit.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
First opportunity to comment on the game. What a roller coaster ride that was! I was torn between a sense of pride in the performance and devastation that we didn't get a point from the game.

I don't mind saying that when the third goal went in before half time, I feared an absolute hammering. Lot of positives to take from the game and hopefully the return of Cooper will add a wee bit of solidity at the back. Will be interested to see how devastating Rodrigo is at the other end of the pitch as opposed to our end. I wonder if there is now a case for Pablo to start on the bench and come on in the second half when things have slowed up a wee bit?

Definitely hope for the future!  :) 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on September 16, 2020, 09:05:35 AM
Before Leeds first game back in the Premier League, Eamon Dunphy interviewed Johnny Giles about his time at Leeds, which might be of interest to Leeds fans (or football fans in general):

https://thestandwitheamondunphy.com/episode/862/

(there is a much more detailed interview with Giles about his career in the archives)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 16, 2020, 02:58:30 PM
Thanks Hound - looking forward to that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2020, 11:59:34 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/09/24/murderball-explained-keys-marcelo-bielsas-tactical-revolution/

'Murderball' explained: The keys to Marcelo Bielsa's tactical revolution at Leeds
Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds have caught the eye in the Premier League so far, what are the principles that underpin their footballing philosophy?
ByMike McGrath24 September 2020 • 8:27am

Two Premier League matches into the season yielding 14 goals, Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds have been the team to watch this season. What's behind their tactics and who are the key players charged with enacting it?
Perpetual Motion
When Marcelo Bielsa steps away from his office onto the practice pitches at Leeds' Thorp Arch training ground, it is time for his patented drill of an 11-a-side match with the ball constantly in play for 45 minutes - 'murderball', as it has become known in this corner of west Yorkshire.
Their victory against Fulham was the first real glimpse of Bielsa imposing his style on a match, having met the 'Heavy Metal' football of Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool on the opening weekend of the season. Bielsa's team has constant movement and takes risks, which has resulted in seven-goal thrillers in consecutive weekends.
Pep Guardiola reveres Bielsa but the Argentinian is nothing like the tiki-taka possession of the Manchester City manager. Bielsa's team is actually very direct, with the ball moving swiftly into midfield or sometimes from centre-back to centre-forward - Robin Koch's 50-yard pass to Patrick Bamford was an example against Fulham. 
Leeds' attacking relies on forward players making runs beyond their marker and their playmakers taking risks to find them with difficult passes. Helder Costa's decisive goal at the weekend saw Illan Meslier's pass to the left wing and a flick on set Bamford away to provide the assist. Kalvin Phillips and Mateusz Klich regularly ignored easy options to move their team forward but it meant they could lose the ball in dangerous areas.
When the opposition has the ball Leeds' 4-1-4-1 system can resemble a 5-2-3. Jack Harrison drops back from midfield into a wing-back position and gives his team five defenders in the back-line, with Phillips and Klich sitting in front. It gives them good protection when they are out of possession.   
It means Harrison, on loan from Manchester City for a third season, has a lung-bursting shift every time he takes to the field. Bielsa once remarked that Harrison plays as a "full-back, a midfielder and a winger", and that is no exaggeration: he is expected to contribute as much going forward as in defence.
Other forwards are constantly moving and pressing opposition when they try to play out from the back. Bamford was their most effective forward against Fulham although he had to be substituted after 70 minutes after his constant running. 
One of England's debutants this month has the most important functional role in Bielsa's team, and admits the Argentine has been a huge influence in shaping how he plays.
"I felt like I could have played anywhere in midfield, but he knew what position was best for me and he knew where he wanted me to play," he has said. "He makes us train 100 per cent every day. He makes us watch videos on games, goes back and tells us what we've done wrong and what we've done right - mostly focusing on the stuff we've done wrong!"
Phillips has earned the nickname 'the Yorkshire Pirlo', and for good reason because his passing from defensive midfield takes risks and he is always keen to go forward more than sideways or backwards. With one 40-yard pass Leeds can go from defence to attack.
Off the ball, he instinctively drops back when his defenders move upfield. On one occasion against Fulham last Saturday, Liam Cooper followed Aleksandar Mitrovic into a deep position and Phillips was found in the centre-back role. Similarly, Ayling often carries the ball and can pop up in central midfield as an "inverted full-back", knowing he has Phillips covering.
Bielsa admitted he was worried about the seven goals conceded in their first two Premier League games and his squad still looks like it would welcome a centre-back which, following the arrival of Robin Koch, they are also close to landing Diego Llorente from Real Sociedad, who is having a medical ahead of a £20m move and could solve their defensive issues.
He also wants a central midfielder and Rodrigo De Paul from Udinese has not proved a straightforward deal. Pablo Hernandez will add quality when he returns from injury. He ruled himself out of the Fulham win after taking a knock to the groin in the warm-up.
Illan Meslier has impressed team-mates with his quality since arriving a year ago but he could benefit from genuine competition. In attack, Bielsa could balance his forwards with a right-footer.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 27, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Three matches in and six points. Not to be sneezed at!   :)

Today was a match where I felt we would get an understanding of where Leeds might be at this season, as I felt we would get beat at Liverpool and win at home to Fulham. In both matches, the results could have been different, and the Fulham game in particular pointed to some alarming defending, although the result was everything.

Today we came up against  top ten team from last year and I thought we were worth the win, albeit it came late. And yet despite that, Meslier was man of the match, with two outstanding saves. Still an element that we can get caught on the break when we push up, but the team continues to attack and press the opposition up the field.

Great to see Bamford playing well and Costa and Harrison are actually playing better that they did in the Championship. Koch had his best game yet and there are still talk of reinforcements to come in. And it was good to get one over on Chris Wilder!!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 27, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
Has Bamford given up on Ireland?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 28, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 27, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
Has Bamford given up on Ireland?

I hear this mentioned now and again Dougal but it never seems to gain any serious traction!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 28, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
A realistic expectation for Leeds would be around 10th/11th. They have the ability to beat most teams but it's the consistency and the work rate that will be involved to maintain their style of football. It will bounce them through the first 10-12 games and they should pick up round 20 points. Another 35 points for the rest of the season would have them comfortably in that ball park of 10th place. Build on that year on year. They're a good side and will definitely take points off top 6 teams
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Today was probably the biggest result for Leeds so far in the Premiership. We could have had a draw at Anfield but it was the first match and we were too open at the back. Fulham was an entertaining but patchy performance and the Sheffield United win showed huge grit. However, Man City are still one of the best teams in Europe and they could easily have been three up after 15 minutes this evening. Leeds dug in, worked harder than they did, scrambled in an equaliser and could even have edged it in the end. City were obviously the better side and taking a point off them was quite a performance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on October 03, 2020, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Today was probably the biggest result for Leeds so far in the Premiership. We could have had a draw at Anfield but it was the first match and we were too open at the back. Fulham was an entertaining but patchy performance and the Sheffield United win showed huge grit. However, Man City are still one of the best teams in Europe and they could easily have been three up after 15 minutes this evening. Leeds dug in, worked harder than they did, scrambled in an equaliser and could even have edged it in the end. City were obviously the better side and taking a point off them was quite a performance.
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Were they?
Admittedly I was only watching it in parts and I thought Leeds would be the one's to run out of steam but City will count that as a point won rather than two los.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 03, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Today was probably the biggest result for Leeds so far in the Premiership. We could have had a draw at Anfield but it was the first match and we were too open at the back. Fulham was an entertaining but patchy performance and the Sheffield United win showed huge grit. However, Man City are still one of the best teams in Europe and they could easily have been three up after 15 minutes this evening. Leeds dug in, worked harder than they did, scrambled in an equaliser and could even have edged it in the end. City were obviously the better side and taking a point off them was quite a performance.

They're really holding their own....but it seems like every game is a marathon for them, on and off the field. Bound to run out of steam.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on October 03, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
This is going to be a short intense season. Leeds are presently making sure of not getting relegated. The end of the season will test their resolve and their squad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 03, 2020, 11:04:32 PM
Watched that game in its entirety and what Bielsa put himself through wasn't something normal. I'd imagine in easier games he's less vocal but he never let up today.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2020, 12:08:11 AM
Trust me Ziggy90, those of us who watched it live will know that Man City were streets ahead of Leeds for most of the game. Bielsa reorganised at HT, brought on Poveda, pushed up Dallas - who is looking like the best Irish player in the Premiership at the moment - and steadied Phillips, which made it a more even contest. He essentially outthought Guardiola on much more limited resources, and a point was a brilliant outcome for Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: RedHand88 on October 04, 2020, 07:56:04 AM
Can leeds knock on the door of the European places?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Bronco on October 04, 2020, 08:19:32 AM
I don't think there's any chance.of that with the current squad. Staying up playing that brand of exciting football would be a massive acheivement in itself though.


Quote from: RedHand88 on October 04, 2020, 07:56:04 AM
Can leeds knock on the door of the European places?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on October 04, 2020, 08:44:56 AM
Well done by Leeds, honestly expected that to be a hammering given how open they seemed previously.

But that was some header by Bamford in injury time! FFS! Good job the keeper was up to it
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2020, 12:08:11 AM
Trust me Ziggy90, those of us who watched it live will know that Man City were streets ahead of Leeds for most of the game. Bielsa reorganised at HT, brought on Poveda, pushed up Dallas - who is looking like the best Irish player in the Premiership at the moment - and steadied Phillips, which made it a more even contest. He essentially outthought Guardiola on much more limited resources, and a point was a brilliant outcome for Leeds.
I watched it live.

First half an hour Manchester City was streets ahead after that with a change of formation Leeds was the better side. Ederson was poor on the goal however only for a number of good saves by him Leeds would have won that match.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on October 04, 2020, 12:37:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 04, 2020, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2020, 12:08:11 AM
Trust me Ziggy90, those of us who watched it live will know that Man City were streets ahead of Leeds for most of the game. Bielsa reorganised at HT, brought on Poveda, pushed up Dallas - who is looking like the best Irish player in the Premiership at the moment - and steadied Phillips, which made it a more even contest. He essentially outthought Guardiola on much more limited resources, and a point was a brilliant outcome for Leeds.
I watched it live.

First half an hour Manchester City was streets ahead after that with a change of formation Leeds was the better side. Ederson was poor on the goal however only for a number of good saves by him Leeds would have won that match.

That was more or less my take on the game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 05, 2020, 02:09:12 PM
Ederson clearly made two world class saves , but, with the shot count 23/12 in City's favour, they would have been pretty gutted if they had lost the game. Leeds barely had a kick for the first 20 minutes, and then showed great levels of spirit and organisation to get back into the contest. City took over again in the closing stages, with a series of chances and penalty claims, so the draw was a fine result for Leeds. It has been a crazy season overall so far, but Leeds have been one of the big stories to date.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Taylor on October 05, 2020, 02:37:08 PM
Have to say I was impressed by Leeds.

They really took the game to us - I thought it was going to be a cakewalk after 20mins.

Exciting addition to the PL
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 06, 2020, 06:31:28 PM
In the first game against Liverpool, I watched it through my fingers, waiting for an avalanche of goals and was relieved at what turned out to be such an encouraging performance, despite the defeat. However, with six points on board, I was a lot less concerned about the City game. Fair to say after 20 minutes, I'd have taken the draw!   :)

Always interested in the different takes people have on watching football. Did City tire or did Leeds rally to become dominant? Got a wee bit of luck with the goal and then were denied the lead goal by an outstanding save from Ederson. Still, great to go toe-to-toe with a side like City and come through with a draw.

Both Koch and Rodrigo have been impressive so far and look to be good additions. For me though, the fact that the bulk of the team was our side in the Championship has to say something about Bielsa's genius. I definitely think Harrison and Costa are more effective at this level where there might be a wee bit more time on the ball and it is less physical. I was also pleasantly surprised by Poveda's performance. Very confident.

Overall, a great performance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 07, 2020, 12:00:32 PM
I watch very little of other clubs as I barely get enough time to torture myself by watching my own but I saw most of Leeds v Man City. most teams seem to get hypnotised by how fast and accurate Man City come at them early on but it didn't phase Leeds at all. Every chance they got they went at Man City. They clearly believe in their own abilities and are thinking very positively and obviously can play a bit too. Well deserved the draw and could have actually nicked it. Good to see a team play with such freedom even if it is your lot!  ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 07, 2020, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2020, 12:00:32 PM
Good to see a team play with such freedom even if it is your lot!  ;D

;D 

It's a desperate pity the fans aren't back. The games against yourselves would be worth the watch for that alone!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on October 07, 2020, 11:08:56 PM
Life was simpler when Leeds were the most hated.  I suppose these days the competition has intensified for that honour, now Leeds just occupy the happy clappy  born again seats.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 20, 2020, 04:29:55 PM
Wolves won last night with a lucky goal, although that said, their victory wasn't lucky. We dominated the first half without creating any real chances but Wolves were a different proposition in the second half and after 55 minutes, I'd have taken the draw.

Wolves have a reputation for being tight in defence, despite the hammering they got at West Ham, so I'd put the lack of impact by Costa, Harrison, Bamford and Rodrigo down to that. Pablo came on with about twenty to go and suggested that this might be his role going forward. He was lively and involved. Best for me on the night were Meslier, Striuck (sp?) and Leeds' man of the match, Koch. He already looks good value.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
Sitting third in the league this morning on the back of a performance that was arguably the best yet under Bielsa. Leeds had the better of a tight enough first half in which Paddy Bamford spurned a couple of good opportunities.

At the start of the second half Villa threatened briefly and Meslier had two very good saves. However the remainder of the game, and the ball, belonged to Leeds.

Great performances everywhere. Costa and Harrison on the wings  Rodrigo in the middle, but Bamford stood the show with a hat trick, the second and third of which were brilliant finishes.

A great win, achieved with one fit centre half and without Phillip's, and against a team who had been calling into question the myth of Bielsa. 🙂
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on October 24, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
Sitting third in the league this morning on the back of a performance that was arguably the best yet under Bielsa. Leeds had the better of a tight enough first half in which Paddy Bamford spurned a couple of good opportunities.

At the start of the second half Villa threatened briefly and Meslier had two very good saves. However the remainder of the game, and the ball, belonged to Leeds.

Great performances everywhere. Costa and Harrison on the wings  Rodrigo in the middle, but Bamford stood the show with a hat trick, the second and third of which were brilliant finishes.

A great win, achieved with one fit centre half and without Phillip's, and against a team who had been calling into question the myth of Bielsa. 🙂

In fairness, that was a former player who said that. And he was never known for his smarts.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 24, 2020, 12:48:21 PM
Quote from: shark on October 24, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
Sitting third in the league this morning on the back of a performance that was arguably the best yet under Bielsa. Leeds had the better of a tight enough first half in which Paddy Bamford spurned a couple of good opportunities.

At the start of the second half Villa threatened briefly and Meslier had two very good saves. However the remainder of the game, and the ball, belonged to Leeds.

Great performances everywhere. Costa and Harrison on the wings  Rodrigo in the middle, but Bamford stood the show with a hat trick, the second and third of which were brilliant finishes.

A great win, achieved with one fit centre half and without Phillip's, and against a team who had been calling into question the myth of Bielsa. 🙂

In fairness, that was a former player who said that. And he was never known for his smarts.

F*ck he's a dose.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2020, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: shark on October 24, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
A great win, achieved with one fit centre half and without Phillip's, and against a team who had been calling into question the myth of Bielsa. 🙂

In fairness, that was a former player who said that. And he was never known for his smarts.

Yes, fair enough comment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 08, 2020, 10:44:03 PM
Back to back 4-1 defeats and a lot of similarities for me across both matches.

In the Leicester game, the match turned on a couple of moments. Bamford missed a straightforward header early on and Leicester went straight down the pitch and capitalised on a terrible error by Koch to open the scoring. In the second half, Leeds were threatening a comeback when Pablo hit a great effort against the angle of bar and post. Leicester went down the pitch and scored a third.

Yesterday, the match turned on a number of plays where Leeds again had no luck and the opposition benefited. The first of course was the Bamford disallowed goal. The reaction of the football world gives an insight into what way our luck went there. The second was the Costa own goal. How bizarre was that? Furthermore, the other three Palace goals hit the woodwork before going in. Contrast that with Pablo's effort against Leicester. The luck yesterday meant we were chasing the game at 3-1 and got opened up for the fourth.

Both Leicester and Palace were deserving winners but on other days we might have avoided defeat in both. By the way - the absence of Philips is proving to be huge. Good time for an international break.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 09, 2020, 10:08:51 AM
Leeds not getting outplayed in any game, and that's enough for me.  Lost to two wilier teams that were happy to counterattack, rather than build anything significant.  Need to be approaching those games like the City game, I'd have thought.  Phillips a massive loss at present. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 09, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
It's worth remembering that six of the eight teams Leeds have played so far are now in the top half of the table, and it's true that we have had some extraordinary examples of bad luck in the last two games. However, back to back 4-1 defeats also tells a story and we could easily have conceded quite a few more goals. With the next three matches against Arsenal, Everton and Chelsea, the risk of slipping into a prolonged bad run is obvious.

Bielsa will know that most of his problems are at the back. Meslier has done pretty well overall but crucially lacks experience and the central defence has looked ropey. We are vulnerable without Phillips, but hopefully he and Llorente, who should make a big difference, will be fit again soon.  The target for this season was always staying up and there is a still a decent gap to the bottom three places. A few more points before Christmas will keep us well placed for survival.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 28, 2020, 09:36:58 PM
Today was probably our best result of the season so far and takes us up to a healthy 11th. We could get greedy and say the points which could easily have been picked up against Arsenal, Palace, Leicester and Wolves might even have us far higher. However, winning at Everton for the first time in the premiership with a dominant display is hugely encouraging. It is a concern that we seem to need ten decent chances for every goal but it does not worry Bielsa. Consecutive clean sheets is pretty decent as well.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 07, 2020, 01:40:34 PM
Beaten by the better team on Saturday night. Thought we looked threatening in the first half but faded after that and were deservedly beaten. Thought Kante run the show for Chelsea and I note that Chelsea were the first Premier League side this season to outrun Leeds in terms of distance covered. Koch went off injured and gave us our first sight of Llorente. I'd have to say that my initial reaction is that - like Koch - he is not physically imposing and the manner in which Zouma scored Chelsea's second from a corner would give rise to concern. I also think he will cause one or two nervy moments as I get the sense he likes to play a bit of football at the back and I'm not sure that his confidence in his own skills would reflect my confidence, again on the basis of that first match.

Still, a match that we were competitive in until the closing moments. Two big games now coming up - West Ham and Newcastle at home - six points would be most welcome!!   :)

Oh and by the way, I'd forgotten how likeable Frank is and was reminded of same by his goal celebrations which seemed to have as their primary purpose to get noticed by Bielsa. Nice fella.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 15, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
Plenty of evidence to worry the glass half empty brigade, on Friday night last. Beaten 2-1 at home by West Ham. A match that many might have thought we could target as a win, but the final scoreline flattered us. West Ham could have won by three or four, and that despite them going a goal down early on.

Both of our new centre backs were missing through injury which meant Cooper teaming up with Ayling in the middle. Rodrigo and Raphina both played but for me the team was essentially a Championship side. There are players who are patently not good enough for this level. Harrison offered very little in the first half and was replaced by Costa at half time who offered nothing - save of course for giving away the needless free from which West Ham got their winner.

Cooper has great heart, and leads from the front, but is very limited at this level. Llorente and Koch are better players, but like Cooper, they appear to lack a physical presence. The manner in which West Ham got their goals, coming on the back of Zouma's goal for Chelsea, points to a glaring weakness that needs addressed.

Newcastle up next tomorrow. A win would be very welcome. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 15, 2020, 09:27:00 PM
There have been some alarm bells for Leeds lately, as four points from the last 18 shows, but there is still every chance Bielsa will stick to an unchanged team. While Harrison and Costa had decent starts to the season, their form has declined and mistakes from each of them led to both West Ham goals. Cooper and Ayling did OK for most of the game and it would be a huge surprise if they did not start against Newcastle, who do not look as strong as the sides we have faced during the recent dodgy run. Getting a decent result would set us up nicely for the trip to Old Trafford the following Sunday.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 16, 2020, 10:31:36 PM
Leeds are beyond doubt the great entertainers of the premiership, and, allowing for the usual defensive frailties, tonight was another thriller. With five different players scoring, including two goal of the season contenders, it was a brilliant game from start to finish. Hernandez only came on with five minutes to go and still managed two assists. Ending a disappointing run was essential but you never really know what is going to happen next with this team. Onward to Old Trafford, which is equally unlikely to be dull.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 17, 2020, 12:16:48 PM
QuoteOnward to Old Trafford, which is equally unlikely to be dull.

It'll be a 0-0 borefest, I reckon.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 20, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
We can only wish that Billy's prediction had been on the money. It's all very charging forward at every opportunity but defending like today is in danger of taking us back towards the championship. Quite what was going on in the heads of Klich and Phillips, who have been generally good this season, is hard to say, but it is surprising that they were not replaced until half time. The amazing thing was that we keep creating chances and could easily have scored five or six. Man United, of course, should have been in double figures long before the end. Bielsa does not like making too many changes but, even before injuries are taken into account, there is bound to be a shake up for the Burnley game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 22, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
The Burnley game is huge, Leeds got a break with Newcastle's covid outbreak killing their energy late on. That could save us. But Leeds are in a bad run if you go back 8 games, Everton and Newcastle massive wins but shows our inconsistency.

Burnley are flying and teams know Leeds approach. I find it quite shocking when Bielsa was goaded into naming his starting 11 against west ham and duly obliged taking away our competitive advantage.

Need Llorente back asap.

Also the ramifications of taking Kilch and Phillips off at HT, he could of taken any of 6 players off. It was such an indisciplined performance like a kids match everyone bombing forward with no regard for space behind. Morale may have taken a hit with bielsa's ruthlessness. Needs to be nipped in the bud.

I still think we will finish around 15th but it won't be as relaxing as people think. I would say at least 4 pts from the next 2 is vital whereas anything less has us in a bit of trouble. Fulham showing signs of life and they have been unlucky to not have more points.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 31, 2020, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on December 22, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
I still think we will finish around 15th but it won't be as relaxing as people think. I would say at least 4 pts from the next 2 is vital whereas anything less has us in a bit of trouble.

Six from a possible six which is more than welcome and is worthy of praise given we are currently without three international centre halfs.

The Burnley game was a lucky result, no doubt. Our penalty was contentious in that the keeper got the minutest of touches before taking Bamford out of it, but I think the ball was still there for Bamford before Pope took him out. The main talking point was of course the disallowed Burnley goal, where the ref had already blown for a free for the challenge of Meslier. We were very fortunate there as there did not look to be a foul. Three very welcome points.

The WBA game was one of those very rare Leeds wins where the cigars were being lit up at half time. Once again we got a large piece of fortune with the opening goal but thereafter Leeds played like Brazil against the hapless Baggies and scored some wonderful goals. 5-0 was a fair reflection of our dominance.

Next up is Spuds which will be a different proposition entirely. They offer a serious threat up front which could pose problems if we get caught forward. However, in terms of the season, there is reason to be optimistic about a healthy final position in the table. Twenty three points would mean five more victories would take us to the cusp of the magical forty points and indeed there are are arguments for suggesting that a total less than forty will ensure safety.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 12, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
Back-to-back league wins followed by back-to-back 3-0 thumpings.

The Spurs game I'm not overly concerned with. The reality is that they are a better side than us. The difference for me was highlighted in a couple of scenarios in the first half. Paddy Bamford had a free header from an in swinging cross with his back to goal, but headed woefully over. In contrast, Spurs second goal was a thing of beauty and simplicity. The vision of Kane. The run from Son. The pass from Kane and the near post touch from Son. Top drawer forward play that is beyond Leeds.

The Cup defeat at the weekend was abysmal. The FA Cup is indeed but a pale shadow of its former greatness and I have long argued that it is being subjected to death by a thousand cuts. A Cup run would be nice but getting kicked out early is probably for the best in the long run.

That said, the performance at Crawley was abject. The team that played in the second half would be like something I threw together rather than being the product of one of the foremost tactical minds on the planet and I have to say that Bielsa's talk about the prestige of the Cup sounded very hollow on the back of the changes he made at half time. That was an embarrassment for the Club and the supporters and for me highlighted that in terms of the Premier League, there is not a lot of strength in depth in terms of the squad. And Kiko's opportunities for first team action - barring injuries - must now be considered a long shot. He was brutal and does not offer much value given the significant wages he is on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 12, 2021, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 12, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
Back-to-back league wins followed by back-to-back 3-0 thumpings.

The Spurs game I'm not overly concerned with. The reality is that they are a better side than us. The difference for me was highlighted in a couple of scenarios in the first half. Paddy Bamford had a free header from an in swinging cross with his back to goal, but headed woefully over. In contrast, Spurs second goal was a thing of beauty and simplicity. The vision of Kane. The run from Son. The pass from Kane and the near post touch from Son. Top drawer forward play that is beyond Leeds.

The Cup defeat at the weekend was abysmal. The FA Cup is indeed but a pale shadow of its former greatness and I have long argued that it is being subjected to death by a thousand cuts. A Cup run would be nice but getting kicked out early is probably for the best in the long run.

That said, the performance at Crawley was abject. The team that played in the second half would be like something I threw together rather than being the product of one of the foremost tactical minds on the planet and I have to say that Bielsa's talk about the prestige of the Cup sounded very hollow on the back of the changes he made at half time. That was an embarrassment for the Club and the supporters and for me highlighted that in terms of the Premier League, there is not a lot of strength in depth in terms of the squad. And Kiko's opportunities for first team action - barring injuries - must now be considered a long shot. He was brutal and does not offer much value given the significant wages he is on.
Surely Leeds had decided to focus on EPL survival over the romance of an FA Cup run.
The money alone would justify it.
The bottom 3 teams are Fulham, West Brom and Sheffield Utd. Like Leeds, all were recently promoted.
Best not to share their fate.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 16, 2021, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 12, 2021, 12:44:20 PM
Surely Leeds had decided to focus on EPL survival over the romance of an FA Cup run.
The money alone would justify it.

Agreed totally and a win this afternoon and Crawley will be forgotten about. However it would be nice to exit the Cup in a manner that is not an utter humiliation.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 16, 2021, 12:31:14 PM
Don't see us being linked with any major signings this month so the chances are that Bielsa is happy with the hand he has. The centre of the defence is an obvious point of concern given the amount of injuries to Koch, Llorente and Cooper and the suggestions from some  - before his transfer - about Llorente's fitness, look to be worringly accurate. That said, Ayling and Struijk have both impressed when filling in there but it always has the look of papering over large cracks.

A win today would be significant in the long term aim to stay up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Leeds need around 40 points  to stay up and have 23 so far and it isn't even halfway.
They should be okay but they do need new players to kick on. It is great to see them back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on January 16, 2021, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Leeds need around 40 points  to stay up and have 23 so far and it isn't even halfway.
They should be okay but they do need new players to kick on. It is great to see them back.

35 points will be enough to stay up. Leeds are not in any danger whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2021, 09:48:57 PM
Leeds are still in a decent position but the last few performances have been ominous. Our central midfield is being taken apart, the wide players have been largely ineffective and today the visiting keeper in a team which had not won for nine games did not have a shot to save. The return of Phillips will be a big help, and hopefully Llorente and Koch will soon be fit enough to give us more options at the back, but with Bamford struggling for form no one else looks like scoring. The state of our pitch is also conspiring against our style of play so a few points on the road might get our momentum going again.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on January 16, 2021, 11:30:34 PM
Karen carney will enjoy her wine tonight 😉
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 18, 2021, 10:46:36 AM
Not for the first time at home recently, I thought we were very slow out of the blocks. There was a lethargy there or lack of energy that allowed Brighton to get on the front foot from the off. Their goal was coming and it was a tasty effort - some slick passing carved us apart. Thereafter I thought we never looked like getting an equaliser.

The absentees really do highlight the threadbare nature of the squad and once certain players are absent there is no adequate replacement. Philips is the most obvious, although we have been fatally undermined by injuries to our three recognised centre halfs.

As far back as the Villa game I was in the company of a mate who is also a Leeds supporter and to my surprise he was scathing of Klich. However I don't know if it's just coincidence or he actually could spot something I could not see, but since then I've been paying particular attention to Klich and he has been absolutely woeful. Furthermore Paddy up front is not someone you can depend on for goals to get you out of trouble. Suddenly there are concerns springing up all over the pitch.

Others have mentioned the pitch itself and it did not help the cause. It looks as if it will increasingly be a factor that will mitigate against our high energy / running game. I think Fulham and Chelsea was on after us on Saturday and the Craven Cottage pitch looked light years ahead of the Elland Road surface.

Currently sitting 12th and 12 points above relegation but there is still plenty to be nervous about.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 31, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Important and impressive win against Leicester
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2021, 05:24:47 PM
Today was our best result of the season to date and a fully deserved win away to a serious title contender. There were some brilliant performances with Bamford back to his best and Dallas, who seldom gets the credit he deserves, outstanding again. Dallas is by some distance the best Irish player in the premiership, and produces top class displays whether he is asked to slot in at left back, right back or like today in central midfield. He also bangs in a few goals along the way and might even end up as player of the season for Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2021, 06:07:42 PM
I've a neighbour that's Leeds mad, goes to all the home games, been a season ticket holder for years, this year of all years in the Premiership he obviously hasn't been to one! Tearing his hair out!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 01, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 31, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Important and impressive win against Leicester

It definitely was.

I thought in the victory against Newcastle, we rode our luck a wee bit and could not have complained if they had equalised. On the basis of that match, I was struggling to see where we would get further points any time soon, given how poor Newcastle have been. That perspective has been turned on its head over the weekend. I sent a text to a mate at the start saying I would take a draw, although I thought we would get beaten.

An absolutely brilliant performance followed, which was made all the better by the fact we fell behind to an early goal. However the response was very impressive and the equalising goal was a thing of class. Dallas must be one of the most underrated players in the division. We then did to Leicester what they did to us at Elland Road, soaked up the pressure and hit them on the break. Bamford took his chance brilliantly and was very unselfish for the third. A quality performance where Bamford, Dallas, Raphinha and the two centre halfs, were the pick. Striujk has been very impressive filling in at centre back and looks to have a future.

Mention though for the main man, MB. The team we had out was essentially our Championship team, with Raphinha added and Ben White taken out. To put in that sort of performance against a top side like Leicester is a monument to Bielsa's genius. I read somewhere that three years ago, Leeds were sitting twelfth in the Championship and Paul Heckingbottom was about to come in as manager. Three years in time but light years in performance. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 01, 2021, 02:52:41 PM
QuoteWe then did to Leicester what they did to us at Elland Road, soaked up the pressure and hit them on the break.

You see, this is why Leeds will pick up points against decent teams and struggle against poor teams.  While they are a possession-side, Leeds like to attack at speed, and for that they need space (to head into).  Leicester came to Elland Road and let Leeds have the ball, pour forward and leave gaps behind - at home, and playing well (against teams that wanted to keep the ball), they perhaps felt an onus to dominate possession, build chances, and turn over a team they'd beaten easily enough on the road.  And Leeds mugged them.  Contrast this with Manure at Old Trafford, who didn't want the ball, and won easily.  3 more wins from 18 will probably keep Leeds up, deservedly, but managers must be learning how to play them.  And they are such fun to watch. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 01, 2021, 02:52:49 PM
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   https://www.ft.com/content/da10082e-5723-4783-8820-76f58d98d1af

   The San Francisco 49ers National Football League team has ramped up its stake in Leeds United, in the latest sign of US investor confidence in the English Premier League, the world's richest domestic football competition.

49ers Enterprises, the investment unit of the NFL team, now owns 37 per cent of the Yorkshire-based club, up from 15 per cent previously.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 02, 2021, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 01, 2021, 02:52:49 PM
49ers Enterprises, the investment unit of the NFL team, now owns 37 per cent of the Yorkshire-based club, up from 15 per cent previously.

I read somewhere that that represents a cash injection of £50 million into the Club.

The key for me is to aim to become a Club like Leicester. Establish Leeds in the Premier League - maybe after three or four consecutive seasons, where the squad is strengthened each year with 2 or 3 new signings, and build the squad to hopefully be in a position to aim for top six each year. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 08:21:01 AM
I love watching Leeds. They try to win football matches. Other teams try not to lose.
Great entertainment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 15, 2021, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 08:21:01 AM
I love watching Leeds. They try to win football matches. Other teams try not to lose.
Great entertainment.

Yes, you get your money's worth watching them, OK. However sometimes it can backfire and yesterday was a case in point.

Just to backtrack further, had a good win at home to Crystal Palace last week. A rare moment of Leeds essentially being in control and never looking in any great danger against what is an established Premier League team. Augurs well for the future.

However, a chastening experience yesterday, being four down inside 50 minutes. I'd have to say Meslier did not have his finest hour and was culpable for the second and third goals and also had a hand in the first goal. That said, the team responded well and could have had more than the two they got, albeit Arsenal struck the woodwork a further two times.

For me though, yesterday has to be seen in the proper context. Once again that was essentially the Leeds team that was playing in the Championship, with Raphinha added and Ben White and Kalvin Philips missing. The opposition had two loan players featuring who both play for Real Madrid. So definitely a sense of continuing to box above our weight.

For me though, the Striujk experiment as a defensive midfielder has to stop, when Philips is missing. He has been performing well at centre back and should have remained there which would have left Ayling at right back. I would have tried Dallas in front of the defence.

Wolves up next Friday night. Still a victory or two short before being definitely safe.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 15, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
They are just not the same side when Phillips is missing - the transitions are all wrong without him. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 15, 2021, 09:31:59 PM
There's little doubt that Phillips is not only our most important player but the only one for whom we do not have a viable replacement at the moment. Struijk is improving rapidly as a central defender but looks very uncomfortable sitting in front of the back four. Dallas and Klich do not fit there either, while Forshaw might be worth a try were it not for the unfortunate fact that he has been out injured for the last 18 months. Meslier's performance yesterday had been coming, as for several games in a row he has only narrowly avoided interceptions while dwelling with the ball at his feet and waiting for a gap to appear. If he learns from the experience, he is still a fine prospect. Arsenal could realistically have had six or seven yesterday but the spirit Leeds showed at four down was excellent. At 4-2, Shackleton missed a great chance and then Bamford could easily have had a penalty. It was not necessarily connected with competitive football but it was still hugely entertaining. Our last 15 trips to London have resulted in 13 defeats and two draws - how can anyone say we are inconsistent ?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 28, 2021, 07:46:31 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/michael-walker-why-marcelo-bielsa-is-manager-of-the-season-so-far-1.4495821

At a time when it is easy to switch off from the sheer volume of football being spread across our screens like a never-ending wallpaper, the sight of Leeds playing makes you put down the phone and concentrate on the ball. There's Stuart Dallas, once of Crusaders, playing like Lothar Matthaus. There's Patrick Bamford finishing like Allan Clarke. There's a whole load of anti-Leeds types thinking: "I'll watch this Leeds match."

Generational perceptions have been disturbed. Scroll back to the 1972 FA Cup final, the Centenary final, and Leeds players kicked balls into the crowd as they emerged from the Wembley tunnel, a way to make friends and influence people. Now they do it by keeping the ball and re-cycling it relentlessly. This is Marcelo Bielsa, the global generational influence who turned up in Yorkshire and, if we must hand out prizes two-thirds of the way through, the manager of the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 09, 2021, 05:17:30 PM
The indifferent form is continuing, despite the fact that injuries are beginning to clear up and we can now put out close to what would be a full strength team.

Fell to a 1-0 defeat at Wolves, after a Traore thunderbolt come back off the bar and went in off the prone Meslier. Was not a particularly impressive display but were worth a point on the night.  Followed it up with a comprehensive victory over Southampton at Elland Road where Raphinha was the star of the show. Then a desperately disappointing home defeat to Villa who were without Grealish. The team really looked stale and provided as poor a league performance as I can remember this year.

Then last night - started off like a house on fire and were maybe unlucky not to take the lead. Conceded a needless penalty and Meslier again had no luck, saving but not being able to stop the rebound. The second goal rekindled memories of the early season frailty at corners and reminded me that Llorente is not going to dominate at set pieces.

Responded well in the second half but again undone by terrible finishing with Paddy Bamford missing two golden opportunities and Rodrigo one. A draw could have been achieved if we had our eye in.

Chelsea at home this Saturday. Hopefully the 'playing surface' will bog down Chelsea's passing game. Then a big trip to Craven Cottage follows. I allowed myself to fall into the trap of thinking we were safe. A defeat to Fulham could at that stage conceivably close the gap to three.

Tough run of fixtures in April with Liverpool and the two Manchesters but hopefully should be able to accumulate the two wins needed to guarantee safety at home to WBA, Sheffield United and away to Burnley, Fulham and Southampton. Can't relax yet.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2021, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 09, 2021, 05:17:30 PM
The indifferent form is continuing, despite the fact that injuries are beginning to clear up and we can now put out close to what would be a full strength team.

Fell to a 1-0 defeat at Wolves, after a Traore thunderbolt come back off the bar and went in off the prone Meslier. Was not a particularly impressive display but were worth a point on the night.  Followed it up with a comprehensive victory over Southampton at Elland Road where Raphinha was the star of the show. Then a desperately disappointing home defeat to Villa who were without Grealish. The team really looked stale and provided as poor a league performance as I can remember this year.

Then last night - started off like a house on fire and were maybe unlucky not to take the lead. Conceded a needless penalty and Meslier again had no luck, saving but not being able to stop the rebound. The second goal rekindled memories of the early season frailty at corners and reminded me that Llorente is not going to dominate at set pieces.

Responded well in the second half but again undone by terrible finishing with Paddy Bamford missing two golden opportunities and Rodrigo one. A draw could have been achieved if we had our eye in.

Chelsea at home this Saturday. Hopefully the 'playing surface' will bog down Chelsea's passing game. Then a big trip to Craven Cottage follows. I allowed myself to fall into the trap of thinking we were safe. A defeat to Fulham could at that stage conceivably close the gap to three.

Tough run of fixtures in April with Liverpool and the two Manchesters but hopefully should be able to accumulate the two wins needed to guarantee safety at home to WBA, Sheffield United and away to Burnley, Fulham and Southampton. Can't relax yet.
It's unusual for teams midway in the table at the beginning of March to get relegated. Usually the teams in the bottom 3 are justified in employing the beal bocht. Relegation typically involves structural problems which Leeds don't seem to have.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 10, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 09, 2021, 08:28:23 PM
It's unusual for teams midway in the table at the beginning of March to get relegated. Usually the teams in the bottom 3 are justified in employing the beal bocht. Relegation typically involves structural problems which Leeds don't seem to have.

Although not unheard of. There's usually one team who goes on a bad run in the Spring and gets dragged down into things. I agree the nature of the way they are playing suggests more points will be accumulated somewhere but it's an unwritten rule that  if you follow Leeds, nothing can ever be taken for granted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on March 10, 2021, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 10, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 09, 2021, 08:28:23 PM
It's unusual for teams midway in the table at the beginning of March to get relegated. Usually the teams in the bottom 3 are justified in employing the beal bocht. Relegation typically involves structural problems which Leeds don't seem to have.

Although not unheard of. There's usually one team who goes on a bad run in the Spring and gets dragged down into things. I agree the nature of the way they are playing suggests more points will be accumulated somewhere but it's an unwritten rule that  if you follow Leeds, nothing can ever be taken for granted.

This gets mentioned every single season around this time. You'll hear it said right across the media. It's not based on reality. If you're not in the bottom 6 with 12 games to go, then you're not going down.  The points total for 17th this season is likely to be slightly higher than last season (Villa got 35). 38 will almost certainly be enough. Leeds have 35 now. Will likely end up 45-50 points. 11th or 12th.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 10, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 09, 2021, 08:28:23 PM
It's unusual for teams midway in the table at the beginning of March to get relegated. Usually the teams in the bottom 3 are justified in employing the beal bocht. Relegation typically involves structural problems which Leeds don't seem to have.

Although not unheard of. There's usually one team who goes on a bad run in the Spring and gets dragged down into things. I agree the nature of the way they are playing suggests more points will be accumulated somewhere but it's an unwritten rule that  if you follow Leeds, nothing can ever be taken for granted.

Bielsa is different. Plus there are 2 Leeds models...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 10, 2021, 12:15:31 PM
Shark's statistical analysis is entirely logical but the fear expressed by Rufus that disaster is often lurking around the Elland Road corner cannot be discounted. Leeds are not playing particularly badly at the moment but we have still lost four of the last five. In one of those defeats, at Arsenal, we conceded four when it could easily have been six or seven and in the other three we did not score. Home advantage is not a factor this season and the next six games are against Chelsea, who are flying; Fulham, one of the form teams in the league; Sheffield United, who will probably accept their almost inevitable relegation if they beat their hated Yorkshire rivals; and then Man City, Liverpool and Man Utd, who are all likely to be too strong for us. If we do not pick up a couple of points soon, there will be enormous pressure going into the last three matches. I actually think we are capable of getting something from Chelsea on Saturday but with Leeds you just never know.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 10, 2021, 12:32:10 PM
I don't see Leeds getting dragged into it at all. A couple of draws would even do them.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 10, 2021, 11:32:46 PM
Leeds have had two draws in 27 league games this season, the lowest total in all four divisions, and Bielsa does not play for a point under any circumstances. We would still probably take one against Chelsea and perhaps the law of averages will eventually come into play.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2021, 08:48:16 PM
The law of averages did indeed come into play and it turned out to be an excellent point against a Chelsea side well in contention for the Champions League. We were hanging on for a while but we probably had the better chances overall and it could even have been a win in the end. The Bamford injury is a concern, as Rodrigo is more of a 10 than a 9, and may not be fully fit, while Roberts can lead the line but is also more of a midfielder and has not scored in the Premiership anyway. It shows that we need to strengthen the squad in the summer with a view to pushing on next season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 11, 2021, 12:47:12 PM
The last two decades have mostly been tough for Leeds supporters but yesterday, short of winning an actual trophy, was up there with our best days in recent history. To take on the best team in England, and possibly in Europe, on their own pitch with only ten men for most of the game and come away with a fully deserved win was quite an achievement. It was a brilliant performance and Dallas, who has previously featured in this thread, was outstanding from start to finish. What was striking was the way in which Bielsa refused to accept a draw in the closing stages and insisted on throwing players forward. He got his reward in the end and, assuming he stays in post and the club continues to get its recruitment policy right, there is nothing to prevent Leeds making further progress next season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2021, 09:14:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 11, 2021, 12:47:12 PM
The last two decades have mostly been tough for Leeds supporters but yesterday, short of winning an actual trophy, was up there with our best days in recent history. To take on the best team in England, and possibly in Europe, on their own pitch with only ten men for most of the game and come away with a fully deserved win was quite an achievement. It was a brilliant performance and Dallas, who has previously featured in this thread, was outstanding from start to finish. What was striking was the way in which Bielsa refused to accept a draw in the closing stages and insisted on throwing players forward. He got his reward in the end and, assuming he stays in post and the club continues to get its recruitment policy right, there is nothing to prevent Leeds making further progress next season.
A really impressive result at this stage of the season,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 12, 2021, 10:18:38 AM
Saturday was one of those great days that seemed to make the long, long journey back and all of the associated pain that wee bit more worthwhile. I would have struggled to believe that I might enjoy a Leeds match this season more than Leicester away, but Saturday did it in spades.

Unbelievable performance with ten men. Backs to the wall stuff but a richly deserved victory against the odds. I'd be interested in hearing opinions on Cooper's red card. He clearly played the ball first but the contact with the knee looked very dangerous. Unlucky to go? I'm not sure. City can thank their lucky stars they did not end up with ten as well - Sterling and Fernandinho both sailed close to the wind.

Sensational defensive effort by the whole team. Dallas has to be in the running - again - for player of the year. Never stopped running and scored twice. I thought Phillips was excellent as was Llorente in the centre of the defence. He really is coming on. Good performances too from Costa, Alioski, Striujk  and Meslier and Paddy had another assist before he had to go off.

Cooper has been a great leader on the pitch, but I can't help but think that his days as an automatic starter must be numbered. Koch is returning to full fitness - I would love to see him get a run out with Llorente - and Striujk continues to impress.

Three top flight wins in a row for the first time in 18 years.

Just great!!   :) 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 12, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
Great day - really enjoyed it.

QuoteI'd be interested in hearing opinions on Cooper's red card.

Very harsh, I thought.  The ball was there to be won - clearly the follow-through was dangerous, and I'm assuming the refs have been instructed that (in these circumstances) the decision is for a red.  But it is clearly wrong, in this circumstance.  There was no intention to hurt, or even make contact.  I don't think it would have been possible for Cooper (or anyone) to foresee that an injury would be caused, or even that he would make contact of any sort there.  So, what the officials are really saying is that if there is any risk of a defender causing injury to an attacker, they shouldn't go for the ball.  And that is ridiculous.  Over and out. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 12, 2021, 02:40:17 PM
I share your frustration Billy, but once the angle was given that showed the contact with the side of the knee, I think he was done for. I agree totally about intent. It simply wasn't there to hurt the player.

The bugbear for me is the inconsistency. Baldock put in a very dangerous two footed lunge that took Roberts out of it last week and which was shown repeatedly on TV screens after, due to an injury delay, and nothing happened in terms of a card.

As regards the display, stop for a moment and consider the individual performances of so many players who up until recently would have been considered established Championship players - Alioski, Dallas, Ayling, Costa, Roberts - all brilliant against top class opposition. Surely it underlines - again - Bielsa's genius.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2021, 03:54:39 PM
19 points off the relegation places. Can it be enough or is the beal bocht in remission ?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 12, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
We are not mathematically safe just yet, as West Brom, if they win all seven of their remaining games, and we get no more points, could overtake us on goal difference. However, if we shake off our natural sense of doom as we sit in tenth place, there is even a prospect that by getting up to seventh, depending on some imponderables, a return to Europe is not out of the question.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 13, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2021, 03:54:39 PM
19 points off the relegation places. Can it be enough or is the beal bocht in remission ?

Even I, the king of the 'glass half empty brigade', have the feet up and am searching for a cigar!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 13, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 13, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2021, 03:54:39 PM
19 points off the relegation places. Can it be enough or is the beal bocht in remission ?

Even I, the king of the 'glass half empty brigade', have the feet up and am searching for a cigar!!
Absolutely. It's been a great season and we've consolidated our position in the Premier League. The City result was massive. However there's no room for relaxation Rufus there's bound to be work for you round Abbey Park. How's the new building coming along?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 13, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2021, 03:54:39 PM
19 points off the relegation places. Can it be enough or is the beal bocht in remission ?

Even I, the king of the 'glass half empty brigade', have the feet up and am searching for a cigar!!
It's great to see. Bielsa was the man for the job. Most promoted teams get relegated afterwards but this team seems to be different.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 13, 2021, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
It's great to see. Bielsa was the man for the job. Most promoted teams get relegated afterwards but this team seems to be different.

It's brilliant. Bielsa is a genius. See parallels with Wenger at Arsenal.

16 years in the wilderness brings home the value of the top league, so there would be no taking anything for granted. Vital of course to stay up this year, but next season I'm hoping we start from a stronger base again, with the addition of 3 / 4 new players to add to the squad and with a bit of luck become established. I've said a lot recently that I see Leicester as the team we should be aiming to emulate - consistently top 6 / 7. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 13, 2021, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
It's great to see. Bielsa was the man for the job. Most promoted teams get relegated afterwards but this team seems to be different.

It's brilliant. Bielsa is a genius. See parallels with Wenger at Arsenal.

16 years in the wilderness brings home the value of the top league, so there would be no taking anything for granted. Vital of course to stay up this year, but next season I'm hoping we start from a stronger base again, with the addition of 3 / 4 new players to add to the squad and with a bit of luck become established. I've said a lot recently that I see Leicester as the team we should be aiming to emulate - consistently top 6 / 7.
2 years on from that loss to Derby. Frank Lampard won but where is he now ? 
It's very hard to break out of the Championship orbit . And the system is so unequal. All the money is in the EPL.
The TV money alone and what it means.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2021, 09:22:05 AM
45 out of 81 newly promoted teams went straight down
(10 went down the next year).

So this achievement by Leeds is impressive.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 19, 2021, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 13, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Absolutely. It's been a great season and we've consolidated our position in the Premier League. The City result was massive. However there's no room for relaxation Rufus there's bound to be work for you round Abbey Park. How's the new building coming along?

Sorry @Dougal Maguire. I overlooked this.

New building is great, thanks, save for one or two teething problems. Unfortunately though we can't use it and we haven't even had an official opening. About 18 months ago we were busy planning for coffee mornings, wine and cheese evenings and building tours!!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 22, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
With all the talk of Super Leagues, our game against Liverpool has slightly gone under the radar along with quite a decent performance and result.

Obviously a game of two halves - maybe lucky to be just the one down at half time, but - and as I would expect from Bielsa - the team turned things around totally in the second half and were worth at least the draw and maybe unlucky not to win.

Making a comparison with last year, that team that played Liverpool was essentially the Championship winning team minus Ben White but with the addition of Llorente. It says something for Bielsa's management that that team is standing its own in this sort of company. Great team effort and great to see Pablo getting a late run out. I still think he is worth a 10 - 20 minute run at the end of games.

I know the pressure is off this year, but I would so love to win on Sunday!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2021, 09:33:28 AM
Not the most exciting of games, but I'll take the point. Good result when one considers the context. The team that started was essentially our Championship team minus Ben White but with the addition of Llorente. They dominated of course but their real chances were few and far between and Meslier did not have a lot to do. That shows how far the team have come on. Big issue around the possible penalty for Leeds for hand ball against Shaw. It would have been harsh, but in the current context they have been given. Best for me were Llorente and Striujk in the centre of the defence, both of whom were excellent and Philips in frot of them. Llorente would have been my man of the match.
 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2021, 04:27:31 PM
Leeds are now unbeaten in six, including games against the two Manchester clubs, Liverpool and Chelsea, with only four goals conceded during the run. While Man Utd produced plenty of pressure yesterday, Meslier, as Rufus points out, had only one serious save to make. The improvement in our defence has been striking, and, while Cooper did very little wrong before his suspension, Llorente and Striujk look increasingly like a top class pairing. At the risk of getting ahead of ourselves, the outside chance of getting into Europe is still there. It remains unclear how many places are available for English sides, but seven appears to be a possibility. That would mean making up a six point gap on Spurs, who have still to come to Elland Road, during our last five matches. It may not happen but it shows how far Leeds have progressed during a season when many of us would initially have happily settled for 17th place.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 04, 2021, 09:45:35 AM
Didn't see the Brighton game as I was working but from listening to bits of it and having a look at the 'highlights' it does appear that it was up there with the worst performances of the season to date.

I normally would take the opportunity to watch the full match, even if we lost, but given a highlights package that showed two Leeds' efforts - shots high / wide from Dallas / Harrison - as the sum of 90+ minutes effort, I decided to give it a miss.

We seemed to be totally outplayed by Brighton, maybe on the basis that they had more to play for (in terms of guaranteeing safety). My guess would be that Bielsa would be very angry at that perceived attitude and some could pay with their place the next day out. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Leeds can't get relegated. The spots are all gone. Even if things go wrong from here on in Leeds can't get relegated.
This must be hard to accept.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 10, 2021, 08:37:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Leeds can't get relegated. The spots are all gone. Even if things go wrong from here on in Leeds can't get relegated.
This must be hard to accept.

;D

You're beginning to think like Leeds now. You're one of us!!   ;)

Great victory at the weekend, albeit Spurs were terrible. There's been a few matches this season where the first five minutes or so appear to give an insight into how much the team are up for that particular match, with last week against Brighton being a case in point. The same happened on Saturday but there appeared to be a determination to right the wrong of Brighton last week. They never appeared to let Spurs settle in possession and there was also an element of a 'cold Tuesday night in Stoke' about the conditions which Spurs did not embrace.

The thing that continues to strike me is how many of these players have become really effective at this level of football when only three years ago they were journeymen, hanging around the Championship mid table. Ayling, Dallas, Alioski, Bamford to name but four. All of the additions are beginning to make an impact. Llorente is improving with each game whilst Koch showed his versatility on Saturday, stepping into the Philips role.

Burnley and Southampton away and West Brom at home so hopefully we can get the points to finish top half!!  :)   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 18, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
Suggestions that Leeds might run out of steam have been well and truly dispelled, as we are finishing the season on a brilliant run of form with a top ten position guaranteed and, depending on other results, eighth still a possibility. It was not a great performance at Southampton, but the level of confidence in the squad eventually produced the win. Roberts has been unlucky not to score in the Premiership but deserved his injury time goal, and the highlight for most Leeds fans would have been Berardi returning a year after his cruciate injury. He was a warrior during many of the bad years in the championship, and, with his contract up as his 33rd birthday approaches, it was great to see him proving he is capable of playing at the top level. Bielsa has done an incredible job and all the indication are that he will extend his contract.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 18, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
Suggestions that Leeds might run out of steam have been well and truly dispelled, as we are finishing the season on a brilliant run of form with a top ten position guaranteed and, depending on other results, eighth still a possibility. It was not a great performance at Southampton, but the level of confidence in the squad eventually produced the win. Roberts has been unlucky not to score in the Premiership but deserved his injury time goal, and the highlight for most Leeds fans would have been Berardi returning a year after his cruciate injury. He was a warrior during many of the bad years in the championship, and, with his contract up as his 33rd birthday approaches, it was great to see him proving he is capable of playing at the top level. Bielsa has done an incredible job and all the indication are that he will extend his contract.

Good post, with the line I have bolded, resonating in particular with me.

It's a long time since I watched a Leeds' match as relaxed as I was the other night. For me, the Southampton game left me with a real feeling that Leeds have definitely arrived at the top level. Bielsa took the option of letting Klick and Koch finish their seasons early, so that they could join up with their national squads with little or no worries about injuries or fitness. Other decisions included giving lads run outs. Casilla started in nets. Cooper was brought back ahead of Striujk and Berardi got a richly deserved run out. And with all of that, the team cantered to a 2-0 win at the home of an established Premier League side.

The only one who appeared to miss out was Pablo, and if this is to be his last season, I'd love to see him get a run against West Brom in front of the fans. 

A great finish to the league and no reason not to look forward to next season with anything but optimism.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2021, 10:20:56 AM
How much TV money are Leeds entitled to every year in the EPL ?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2021, 10:20:56 AM
How much TV money are Leeds entitled to every year in the EPL ?

I honestly wouldn't have a clue - have heard talk of £170 million a season mentioned. Also heard it said that each final league placing is worth £3 million more than the place below it in terms of prize money. Finance definitely seems to be a major factor given how teams are rebounding between the Premier League and Championship so frequently. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 20, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Best team in PL to watch, each  game a drama.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 20, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Best team in PL to watch, each  game a drama.

:)  8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Taylor on May 20, 2021, 02:39:57 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 20, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Best team in PL to watch, each  game a drama.

Now City are a great team to watch but too often teams sit back and invite us on - the possession stats in some games is ridiculous.

But Leeds games are totally different - they just go for it - they work hard and are a joy to watch.

Breath of fresh air for newly promoted teams
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 22, 2021, 10:38:53 AM
I note we are losing two of the mainstays of the team over the last number of years - Pablo Hernandez and Gaetano Berardi.  (https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/28147/gaetano-berardi-pablo-hernandez-to-depart)

In football terms, a sad day, as they have been two central figures in the last years of the odyssey to get Leeds promoted. Pablo was always a touch of class in the team. Scored some very significant goals with the standouts being the goal after 17 seconds against promotion rivals West Brom, a late winner at Bramall Lane after a howler by Dean Henderson and of course the late, late winner last year against Swansea which was huge in terms of sealing promotion and removing any nerves.

Berardi was a tough, uncompromising defender who always gave full commitment. I associate him with the plethora of Italians who came in five or six years ago - Antennuci, Slivestre, Bellusci - when the Club was in a constant orbit of mid table Championship mediocrity. The memory I will have of him will be his bawling out Jansson after he tried to stop Villa equalising, in contravention of the manager's wishes.

Two great servants - just a pity they could not get to fully enjoy the fruits of their labours by playing regularly in the Premier League in front of full houses.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 18, 2021, 10:08:30 AM
It's been a less than convincing start to this season. Two absolute scalpings from Manchester Red and Liverpool, simply highlighted to me the vast gap there is between the top (richest) clubs and the rest. That gap is not going to close anytime soon. You could argue that we are unbeaten against the teams that we should be challenging with, but let's face it, we are going to need more than draws.

I'll confess I've been nervous about this season on the basis of the degree of investment made in the last transfer window. Firpo was bought as essentially a like-for-like replacement for Alioski and Daniel James purchased which allowed Helder Costa to be released on loan to Valencia. At face value therefore, I don't see any significant strengthening of the squad. That means that we are still to a large extent dealing with a small squad, based on many players that were considered mid table Championship players about two or three years ago. Don't get me wrong, they were magnificent last year in the top flight, but I'd have my concerns about their ability to continually perform at that level. I hope I'm wrong.

Last night, the absence of Striujk, Llorente, Koch and Harrison highlighted again the thinness of the squad, but despite that there were enough chances to win that match. Paddy was very quiet up front and the defence did not convince and looked on numerous occasions to be ready to ship more than the one we did concede. Furthermore our old habit of spurning great opportunities came back to haunt us. I assume Raphinha went off with some sort of injury which is a further immediate cause for concern.

West Ham up next; a team that gave us a couple of trimmings last season and look to be threatening the top six / seven. I would not be confident.

Plenty of time of course, and I would still have great faith in the manager, but a win or two would help settle the nerves.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2021, 05:47:42 PM
It was a big result at Elland Road on Saturday, and should have steadied the ship after going the first six games without a win. Leeds were not playing badly but the combination of wasting chances at one end, conceding sloppy goals at the other and missing key players can easily lead to a relegation struggle. Although Watford were poor, it all seemed very similar to the last couple of seasons in the championship when Leeds would dominate matches, fail to put opponents away and drop crucial points. It would be a relief if Rodrigo managed to get on the scoreboard soon as it looks like it could be a while before Bamford is back, and, apart from Raphina, we have few other reliable finishers. However, the next run of fixtures should offer the potential for at least some further progress.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 31, 2021, 08:46:56 PM
The fact that Leeds fans were celebrating so enthusiastically today after a narrow win over the worst team in the division shows what a tough season it has been so far. It was still a crucial result, as we could otherwise have been in the bottom three after ten games. Injuries and loss of form have hit a small squad very hard and we have to hope that Bamford in particular is back shortly. The next three games, at home to Leicester and away to Spurs and Brighton, were all lost last season so there is a long way to go. However, Raphinha is playing out of his skin, and, if he stays fit, we have a chance of edging up the table. It is likely that he will be on his way in the summer and the transfer fee should be the biggest the club has ever received by a huge margin.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 02, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 31, 2021, 08:46:56 PM
The fact that Leeds fans were celebrating so enthusiastically today after a narrow win over the worst team in the division shows what a tough season it has been so far. It was still a crucial result, as we could otherwise have been in the bottom three after ten games. Injuries and loss of form have hit a small squad very hard and we have to hope that Bamford in particular is back shortly. The next three games, at home to Leicester and away to Spurs and Brighton, were all lost last season so there is a long way to go. However, Raphinha is playing out of his skin, and, if he stays fit, we have a chance of edging up the table. It is likely that he will be on his way in the summer and the transfer fee should be the biggest the club has ever received by a huge margin.

Just quoting your post from Hallowe'en MR as it is equally applicable now. The result the other night was priceless and it was reflected in the nature of the celebrations at the end. That result was huge and incredibly only leaves us three points off Manure. The upcoming Brentford fixture at home would be another where a win would be most welcome, as I cannot see us getting much from December, given four of the fixtures are Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool. Beating Brentford would certainly relieve some pressure going into that fixture list.

The team is actually not playing badly, save for the Brighton game, when we got out of jail with a point. We do though appear to be getting our act together at the back which means we are tough to break down against bottom half teams, but equally we struggle for goals. Rodrigo has been disappointing and James is not inspiring confidence, albeit he is a trier and he did play well on Tuesday night. The return of Forshaw and his good form has been a boost but concerns remain about the lack of firepower up front and the impact of Bamford's absence. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 03, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
Squad too small in numbers.  And everyone knows how to set-up and play against the tactics.  It's now maturity time.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2022, 09:38:03 PM
Leeds have had some iffy performances, and the injury crisis has reached amazing proportions, but today was the result of the season by a distance. With an another understrength team, and two players limping off with hamstring problems in the space of a minute early on, it would have been easy for heads to drop. However, we got a brilliant response across the board, particularly from Harrison, with Struijk also having a stormer at the back. The win would have been even more comprehensive if we had not suffered a bizarre VAR decision for the second week in a row at the same ground. Newcastle next week is another massive match, but, if Bamford is back, our prospects will look decent.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 16, 2022, 10:07:23 PM
That was as good as a tonic today. A performance that did a lot for my own belief in the team. It was a brilliant effort and richly deserving of the win, although my heart was in my mouth at the end. Harrison and Raphinha were both excellent in what was an overall brilliant team effort. Thought Dallas, Bate and James put in good shifts, even though the latter's finishing leaves a lot to be desired. Felt sorry for Forshaw, as I thought he was really beginning to show well before getting injured. Went into that game with a very long injury list and to suffer two further injuries to key men, and to then roll up the sleeves and re-join the battle with even greater determination, says a lot about the collective team spirit and the management. A wee win at home to the magpies and the worry would be off me a lot.

MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 20, 2022, 12:54:38 AM
I see we are being heavily linked with a move for Brenden Aaronson (https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-brenden-aaronson-transfer-latest-white-chasing-a-premier-league-dreamer-3533216), a U.S. international currently playing for Red Bull Salzburg. He is a young, highly rated, attacking midfielder who seems to have a great engine and would suit Bielsa's style of play down to the ground.

Believe an offer of £15 million turned down and although RBS want to keep him until after the World Cup - when they see his valuation climbing - it is believed that Leeds are prepared to up the ante again and offer £22 million plus add ons.

Saw photos on Twitter of Orta at Munich airport today, which is not far from Salzburg.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 20, 2022, 11:49:17 AM
Jason Knight being linked also with an €8M move to Elland Rd.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 24, 2022, 10:39:16 AM
Desperately disappointing result. Winning goal came from an absolute goalkeeping howler, which is particularly grating as he has been playing well.

The bottom line remains that we do not have top class finishers - players who can be depended on to put the ball in the net. It was the case three years ago when we missed out on promotion and it has never been properly addressed. Bielsa appears to value the forward who will run and pressure the opposition keeper / defenders over the recognised goal scorer, which is why James was up front and Rodrigo playing deeper.

Hopefully the break can give us the opportunity to get some of our missing back to fitness.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on January 24, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
What makes it worse is that it knocked me out of our Club's Last Man Standing competition
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 24, 2022, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 24, 2022, 10:44:09 AM
What makes it worse is that it knocked me out of our Club's Last Man Standing competition

I heard Bielsa mention that in his post match press conference.   :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 14, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Have to say that things are not currently looking good. Followed up the defeat at home to Newcastle with a draw at Villa and then an abject performance at Goodison on Saturday. Listened to the second half of the match, when we were chasing the game and rarely seemed to threaten. We now enter a period of three games which is Manure at home, Liverpool away and Spurs at home. Can they surprise us and get 3/4 points?

If we are to stay up, I always felt it would be down to the paucity of other teams. Are there three worse though? Possibly Burnley, Watford and Norwich, and Brentford are going through a very bad run. My sense though is that a lot of the teams around us are getting a positive bounce from acquisitions made in the last transfer window - Newcastle and Everton for sure.

We have always had a very small squad and the injury crisis simply served to bring that into sharper focus. Other teams have strengthened but for whatever reason our targets were not available now and there did not appear to be any willingness to chase other options. Time will tell whether or not that was a wise option. Saturday did not fill me with confidence in that regard.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2022, 08:10:20 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/02/17/exclusive-jesse-marsch-leeds-uniteds-first-choice-candidate/


The American coach Jesse Marsch is the first choice of Leeds United to succeed Marcelo Bielsa in the summer should the club and their famous Argentinian manager decide to call it a day at the end of this season.

Marsch, 48, is a free agent and available to pick up the reins immediately this summer, with any Bielsa succession requiring careful planning on recruitment and squad planning. The Leeds squad has been built to the demands of Bielsa, who took the club back into the Premier League in 2020 after 16 years outside, and when the decision comes that he will step away, there is a necessity for the succession to be as smooth as possible.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 22, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2022, 08:10:20 PM
The American coach Jesse Marsch is the first choice of Leeds United to succeed Marcelo Bielsa in the summer should the club and their famous Argentinian manager decide to call it a day at the end of this season.

See a lot of talk about MB possibly finishing up this season. The reaction at the final whistle on Sunday suggests that his status will remain undiminished in the eyes of the Leeds fans regardless of how the season finishes.

As for the match itself, that ended up a very disappointing result when it looked like we might get something from the game. Great fightback to pull level but then undone by two terrible errors. I think (hope) we will have enough to take the necessary points from fellow strugglers, but - and not for the first time that I have said this - our players are simply not good enough when it comes to the top 6 - 8 teams.

I thought Manure were comfortably the better team and deserved their win (although I still hate them), and that is a reflection on the respective costs in terms of squads and wages. There were a number of instances where Leeds players got into really promising positions and simply could not take advantage. The quality simply wasn't there. We were also undone by numerous defensive errors - Llorente, Firpo, Striujk, Meslier all come to mind.

The team showed great spirit that will auger well for the rest of the campaign. Philips, Bamford and yes, even Cooper, would be very welcome options if they could overcome the injuries and would greatly add to hopes of retaining top flight status.

For me, mention in particular for Dan James, Rodrigo, Dallas and Gelhardt when he come on, who put in great effort, and our man of the match, Forshaw, who was a real warrior.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ghost on February 27, 2022, 04:01:28 AM
What's the feeling amongst Leeds fans? Obviously he's a cult hero for getting Leeds promoted but the results have been dire at best. The style of play took Leeds so far last year but they have  been  naive at best. Time to change it up? Assuming bielsa will leave at the end of the season anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: gawa316 on February 27, 2022, 05:45:44 AM
Are they not missing the spine of their team? No team is going to perform without that
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 12:35:37 PM
Now some of us can return to hating Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: J70 on February 27, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 27, 2022, 05:45:44 AM
Are they not missing the spine of their team? No team is going to perform without that

Even so, you can't continue to set up so openly and concede 3+ goals every single game. At some point you have to give in to reality, tighten things up and try to grind out a few results. It's not like they're scoring tonnes of goals without those players.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 27, 2022, 01:15:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0227/1283286-leeds-sack-bielsa-after-slump-in-form/

Still a bit of a shocker
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 27, 2022, 09:33:22 PM
Loved his approach. Wasn't suitable for a relegation dogfight where you have to eek out a point or two.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 28, 2022, 12:13:58 PM
I'm genuinely gutted by this and a little shocked, as the first I heard of it was when Phil Hay mentioned it at the final whistle on Saturday. My hope was that we had fixtures coming up that were a little less challenging and where points might be accumulated. 

Have to say that a lot of the support seems to share the feeling of despondency at this decision and rumour has it Kinnear was against it as well. My sense is that it was pressure from the US to change things that ultimately led to this decision and with Radz looking at a a drop in the value of his investment of tens of millions of pounds, he was agreeable.

Bielsa though was a man of integrity - honest and decent - and in a hard nosed, results driven world, that has not been lost on the support. I have heard a lot of supporters recount how he helped reawaken in them a love for the Club and for football.

His tenure will live long in the memory and as a supporter it is only right to say a heartfelt 'Thank you'.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 28, 2022, 03:43:11 PM
I got this on Twitter and it is one reason why it should not just be Leeds supporters who lament Bielsa's demise. Football too has lost out.

"Bielsa is one of the last bastions of an ideology that rages against the unfair, corporate, money obsessed machine that modern day football has become. Unrelenting, uncompromising and absolutely fearless. We won't see his like again. It was sublime."
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 01, 2022, 11:30:25 AM
A bit shorted.  Do they not have enough games to get to 40 points?  Agreed hat they are good to watch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 01, 2022, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 28, 2022, 03:43:11 PM
I got this on Twitter and it is one reason why it should not just be Leeds supporters who lament Bielsa's demise. Football too has lost out.

"Bielsa is one of the last bastions of an ideology that rages against the unfair, corporate, money obsessed machine that modern day football has become. Unrelenting, uncompromising and absolutely fearless. We won't see his like again. It was sublime."

We probably haven't seen a lot of his like before either, sadly. Genuinely gutted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 01, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
Would Leeds fans say that he got a proper backing by the club? Did he get the signings he would have hoped for? I know he liked to carry a small committed squad but even in January it was clear that injuries had left the first 11 very depleted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on March 01, 2022, 12:31:58 PM
We probably haven't seen a lot of his like before either, sadly. Genuinely gutted.

Well said, Billy.

We'll never know, but I'm convinced he would have kept Leeds up. The upcoming fixtures were more favourable and important players returning.  Very sad that it has ended in this manner. 

Quote from: lurganblue on March 01, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
Would Leeds fans say that he got a proper backing by the club? Did he get the signings he would have hoped for? I know he liked to carry a small committed squad but even in January it was clear that injuries had left the first 11 very depleted.

My understanding is that this could equally be laid at Bielsa's door, as he had the players in mind that he wanted, and that if they were unavailable, he was not prepared to look elsewhere. The pursuit of Brenden Aaronson was a case in point.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 01, 2022, 11:30:25 AM
A bit shorted.  Do they not have enough games to get to 40 points?  Agreed hat they are good to watch.

They do, but the underlying trend was worrying, to say the least, and Bielsa had indicated he was not prepared to change his approach. Financially, there was too much at stake for the decision makers. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 05, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
Commentators quick to dismiss the penalty appeal by saying it wasn't clear there was any contact. I'd be pretty positive there was contact, and was therefore handball. And the ref gave the corner and it didn't hit any other Leicester player.

And then 2 mins later, Leicester score!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 05, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
Was only half watching but it seemed similar to the one welbeck got against liverpool couple years back so if thats the case maybe harsh enough
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2022, 05:54:45 PM
Bielsa's departure felt a bit like a Shakespearian tragedy, and much of the romance of following Leeds has faded as a result, but Marsch made a significant impact today. He completely overhauled some dodgy defensive structures within a matter of days after arriving, and only poor fortune prevented a morale boosting win. He also spoke well in all his interviews and reached out to the supporters at the end. There's no doubt Leeds were the better team, but we have to start picking up points sooner rather than later. The back to back home games against Villa and Norwich are crucial, and hopefully Bamford will be involved at some stage.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 07, 2022, 12:02:44 PM
Bamford on the  bench so suggests that he should be fit soon. Sorely need a striker.  Are there enough games left?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 07, 2022, 01:06:25 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

Norwich 1/40
Watford 5/18
Burnley  11/10
Leeds 16/9
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 07, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 05, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
Commentators quick to dismiss the penalty appeal by saying it wasn't clear there was any contact. I'd be pretty positive there was contact, and was therefore handball. And the ref gave the corner and it didn't hit any other Leicester player.

And then 2 mins later, Leicester score!

Agreed totally but I have grown to simply accept these things as a Leeds supporter.

It was a very positive performance and would give hope that the season can be rescued. Marsch has clearly tightened things up on the pitch but the reality is that many of the players are not as good as their opponents. Major investment is needed if they stay up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 10, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
Tonight was genuinely hard to watch. Villa are a decent side but we made them look like world beaters. It is all going to come down to the Norwich game on Sunday. A win still gives us a decent chance of staying up but a defeat means it is effectively all over.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 09:54:19 AM
Have to say after that match that for the first time I think we will go down, along with Watford and Norwich. The team was absolutely devoid of confidence and that was reflected in the manner of their play with misplaced passes, hesitation, mistimed tackles etc. If ever a plyer encapsulated that last night, then it was Rodrigo. Everything he touched turned to dust and the crowd started getting at him, which didn't help.

Villa were vastly superior and I feel therein lies the underlying issue. For all of our bad luck through injuries, and there has been some bad luck in terms of individual efforts at goal at either end, the reality for me is that the team is not good enough and the Club has been slightly undone by the excellence of the efforts of last season, when the team played above themselves. There did not at that time appear the need for much further investment. 

The bulk of the mid Championship players that were there when Bielsa took over are still there and involved. It says a lot for Bielsa's genius that he managed that side to ninth last year. The reality for me is that many of these players are now playing again at their proper level. Klich, Harrison, Dallas, Ayling (the one decent performance last night), Roberts, etc. Dan James at £28 million increasingly looks like a terrible investment. The loss of Philips and Bamford has been immeasurable.

All of this was increasingly evident as the season wore on to Christmas and the need for strengthening was glaringly obvious. That we concentrated on one or two set targets and did not have other options is going to come back to haunt us. Villa got in Digne and Coutinho, as an example. We got in no-one and it showed last night. Chickens are coming home to roost.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
All of the stragglers will lose matches on the run in. Villa are 9th.
36-38 points may be enough. Burnley are evens. Leeds are 6/5.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I still think Everton will be the 3rd team to go down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
All of the stragglers will lose matches on the run in. Villa are 9th.
36-38 points may be enough. Burnley are evens. Leeds are 6/5.

Whilst I agree with that, and I had in my mind 35 would see safety, it was the nature of that performance last night that did not bode well. It's difficult to see where things can be turned around with the players available, and the confidence draining away. Burnley look to have a bit more resolve.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I still think Everton will be the 3rd team to go down.

They are playing terribly, but I think when it comes down to it they have better players than Leeds and Burnley and will eek out the necessary results.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 11, 2022, 11:12:28 AM
I expected that to be a little closer last night, only because of recent history in this fixture.  Truth be told though, since the brighton game Villa have found a system that seems to work and a little bit of form/confidence.  That carried through on the night against a Leeds side that are lacking in confidence and quality in certain areas.

Bamford getting a run out will be a big boost for the Norwich game.  Phillips is such a miss.  They miss his talent of course but also his passion and drive.

I still have an inkling that Everton will go down because of their run in, but Leeds certainly need to get 3 points off Norwich.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on March 11, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
All of the stragglers will lose matches on the run in. Villa are 9th.
36-38 points may be enough. Burnley are evens. Leeds are 6/5.

Whilst I agree with that, and I had in my mind 35 would see safety, it was the nature of that performance last night that did not bode well. It's difficult to see where things can be turned around with the players available, and the confidence draining away. Burnley look to have a bit more resolve.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I still think Everton will be the 3rd team to go down.

They are playing terribly, but I think when it comes down to it they have better players than Leeds and Burnley and will eek out the necessary results.

If they can get Phillips and Bamford back fit then thats a massive boost. Getting above Brentford is the key for me. I think they will run out of steam and be third team down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
All of the stragglers will lose matches on the run in. Villa are 9th.
36-38 points may be enough. Burnley are evens. Leeds are 6/5.

Whilst I agree with that, and I had in my mind 35 would see safety, it was the nature of that performance last night that did not bode well. It's difficult to see where things can be turned around with the players available, and the confidence draining away. Burnley look to have a bit more resolve.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I still think Everton will be the 3rd team to go down.

They are playing terribly, but I think when it comes down to it they have better players than Leeds and Burnley and will eek out the necessary results.

No striker to speak of and an awful back four. I am an everton fan and this is the first time since 90 whatever I just have the feeling we are going down...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
No striker to speak of and an awful back four. I am an everton fan and this is the first time since 90 whatever I just have the feeling we are going down...

The one thing I would say is that Everton do look to have a tough run in. That's why I sort of had in my mind that four wins and 35 points) could conceivably keep us safe.

Leeds need to be looking for points from Norwich and Southampton at home and Wolves, Brighton and Brentford away, although the match against the Bees is the last game of the season. Home games against Chelsea, City and away to Arsenal, do not offer much hope.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 11, 2022, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 11, 2022, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
All of the stragglers will lose matches on the run in. Villa are 9th.
36-38 points may be enough. Burnley are evens. Leeds are 6/5.

Whilst I agree with that, and I had in my mind 35 would see safety, it was the nature of that performance last night that did not bode well. It's difficult to see where things can be turned around with the players available, and the confidence draining away. Burnley look to have a bit more resolve.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I still think Everton will be the 3rd team to go down.

They are playing terribly, but I think when it comes down to it they have better players than Leeds and Burnley and will eek out the necessary results.

No striker to speak of and an awful back four. I am an everton fan and this is the first time since 90 whatever I just have the feeling we are going down...

Same, back 4 are worse than championship level, Godfrey fit to start tomorrow, needs to come in for Keane and young Branthwaite instead of Holgate.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 09:26:27 AM
It looks like Norwich (1/80) and Watford (5/19) are goosed

That would leave 1 spot between Burnley, Leeds and Everton

Current pricing via oddschecker is :
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

Burnley 13/14
Leeds 2/1
Everton 11/5

2/1 is a nice price for a nihilist
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 14, 2022, 10:04:08 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 09:26:27 AM
Leeds 2/1

2/1 is a nice price for a nihilist

I hear you!   :P

That was huge, yesterday. As with every other self respecting Leeds' fan, I was seeing us spurn chance after chance and waiting for the sucker punch to land. Thought it was going to be the penalty and it was overturned, but Leeds do not do anything easy. A 91st minute equaliser was the stuff of nightmares.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Lot of fans have been crying for Joe Gelhardt to get more game time. Those call are likely to grow louder as Joffy popped up with what could be a priceless winner. Some scenes at the end.

Reflecting back, it wasn't just the three points - although they are massive - but rather it was the nature of the performance. Rodrigo, Klich, James and Raphinha were excellent and gave everything for the cause, but the presence of Bamford up front seemed to add a lot to the play. Although he missed a great chance, he offered an outlet and took the opportunity to hold up the ball in wait of support. He adds a lot by his presence.

Wolves away on Friday night though represents another big obstacle.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 14, 2022, 10:04:08 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 09:26:27 AM
Leeds 2/1

2/1 is a nice price for a nihilist

I hear you!   :P

That was huge, yesterday. As with every other self respecting Leeds' fan, I was seeing us spurn chance after chance and waiting for the sucker punch to land. Thought it was going to be the penalty and it was overturned, but Leeds do not do anything easy. A 91st minute equaliser was the stuff of nightmares.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Lot of fans have been crying for Joe Gelhardt to get more game time. Those call are likely to grow louder as Joffy popped up with what could be a priceless winner. Some scenes at the end.

Reflecting back, it wasn't just the three points - although they are massive - but rather it was the nature of the performance. Rodrigo, Klich, James and Raphinha were excellent and gave everything for the cause, but the presence of Bamford up front seemed to add a lot to the play. Although he missed a great chance, he offered an outlet and took the opportunity to hold up the ball in wait of support. He adds a lot by his presence.

Wolves away on Friday night though represents another big obstacle.
3 points in the hand is worth 2 games in the bush
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2022, 02:22:04 PM
Yesterday's result felt like a defining moment, and gives us a decent chance of staying up after a period when we were starting to look like a lost cause. Some people are suggesting 32 points could be enough this season, but 35 is usually the minimum. This would require nine points from our last nine games and it could yet go to the last day. We only have four home matches left, and two are against Chelsea and Manchester City, making it imperative that we get something from the other two against Southampton and Brighton. Our away form has been pretty poor, so the trips to Wolves, Watford, Palace, Arsenal and Brentford are all going to be extremely tense. If we can grind out two wins and three draws overall, it might get us over the line, but the margins will be very tight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 14, 2022, 02:30:52 PM
I have nothing to say.  It has been a mentally exhausting season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2022, 02:22:04 PM
Yesterday's result felt like a defining moment, and gives us a decent chance of staying up after a period when we were starting to look like a lost cause. Some people are suggesting 32 points could be enough this season, but 35 is usually the minimum. This would require nine points from our last nine games and it could yet go to the last day. We only have four home matches left, and two are against Chelsea and Manchester City, making it imperative that we get something from the other two against Southampton and Brighton. Our away form has been pretty poor, so the trips to Wolves, Watford, Palace, Arsenal and Brentford are all going to be extremely tense. If we can grind out two wins and three draws overall, it might get us over the line, but the margins will be very tight.
It depends how bad Burnley are, really. As long as Leeds are less bad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 14, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on March 14, 2022, 02:30:52 PM
I have nothing to say.  It has been a mentally exhausting season.

Correct Billy. Following the 90 minutes on Twitter yesterday was like a mentally exhausting season in itself! And we're still five weeks from Easter!!  :o

By the way, is it possible Watford could yet save themselves? I've been assuming recently that both they and Norwich are gone and there is one place left. But that win over Southampton has put doubts in my own mind. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 14, 2022, 03:52:44 PM
Likewise on  your question about Watford. Their performance during the week last week was embarrassing then they pull that out against Southampton who aren't a bad side.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
Watford are definitely not out of it yet as a single win transforms the picture for any team at the bottom. It is impossible to go through all the permutations at this stage but Watford v Leeds is going to be one of the pivotal fixtures. The agonies of following it all via twitter are considerable, as Rufus points out. However, for followers of the brilliant Phil Hay, there is no better sight than 'GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAL' suddenly popping up on his account in the 95th minute.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 14, 2022, 04:24:20 PM
Everton play Watford too. I am beginning to wonder if Leeds Watford will be the battle with everton going into 2nd bottom.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation-treble

Burnley, Norwich and Watford all to be relegated   11/8   
                                                                     
Leeds, Norwich and Watford all to be relegated      10/3   
                                                                     
Everton, Norwich and Watford all to be relegated    4   
                                                                     
Burnley, Leeds and Norwich all to be relegated        7
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 15, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2022, 04:19:32 PM
However, for followers of the brilliant Phil Hay, there is no better sight than 'GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAL' suddenly popping up on his account in the 95th minute.

Correct MR.

However the understated way in which he will will say 1-1, as in Norwich's equaliser, is an awful sensation. Because it is so understated (no capitals used), you are not immediately aware of the calamity. I had to read it about three times for it to register!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 18, 2022, 08:58:18 PM
1-0 down and Bamford injured.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 18, 2022, 09:47:18 PM
Jimenez sent off for Wolves

https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/6014719774 mins

Post update

Wolves 2-2 Leeds

Around 15 minutes plus stoppages. The momentum is with Leeds. That's right, the team that was losing 2-0 at half-time now look like winning this.

:)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 18, 2022, 09:54:10 PM
No idea why, but cheering Leeds on. Couldn't believe James missed that, but on replay very good defence
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 18, 2022, 09:57:33 PM
Magic.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 18, 2022, 09:59:53 PM
He's Mr Leeds for me. The comically bad defender celebration adding to the joy!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on March 18, 2022, 10:25:33 PM
Just saw the sending off. IMO ridiculous to give Jimenez a yellow for that, and keeper holding his head (fake) was likely the key to the decision.
But Leeds have had poor decisions against them, so got to take it and move on. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2022, 10:28:35 PM
Great celebration by Ayling 😂
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on March 18, 2022, 10:43:12 PM
That was class.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 18, 2022, 11:24:36 PM
There is a perception that Leeds supporters are elderly, completely stressed out and very likely to take a drink on a Friday night. It's completely true and tonight demonstrated why we are all so obsessed. Leeds were dreadful in the first half and it looked as though another five or six goal hiding was going to follow. A red card was coming with the tackles which were flying in, and we finally got a piece of good fortune when it went in our favour. However, the way the younger Leeds players stepped up, and the senior figures, like Harrison, Rodrigo and particularly Ayling, pushed us over the line was brilliant to see. We probably need six points from our last eight games, and knowing Leeds it may well go to the last match at Brentford, but Marsch, who definitely enjoys the interviews, has done a great job to date.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2022, 06:55:28 AM
Leeds now 3/1
Burnley 8/11

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

Worrying about Leeds being relegated may be a middle class problem.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2022, 08:49:44 AM
What can one say?

In the midst of the mayhem last night, Gary Neville asked what it must be like for a Leeds fan. I think I can give some insight. For me personally, it is excruciating. It is emotionally draining. I find myself up and out of the chair and pacing the living room. I'm living every challenge; every opportunity; every near miss; every goal conceded; every goal scored, and at the end I am mentally exhausted.

Many of the emotions associated with this commitment are inevitable disappointment and heartbreak. That therefore makes nights like last night all the more wonderful.

Like many others, I was totally despondent at half time and I honestly could see us getting turned over four, five or six. The red card was of course pivotal but I definitely think both yellows can be justified by the ref. The second, he was unlucky, because he was genuinely going for the ball, but he was late and he took out the keeper. Indeed I would ask the question why Wolves did not have a second player sent off, as Dallas was taken down with a knee high challenge - in the lead up to our equaliser - that was reminiscent of Cooper's red against City last season.

I've said it before and it is important to say it again. The players available, as a collective, simply are not good enough. However you cannot question their commitment and character. That was evident in Bamford's tears when he left the field, in Forshaw's tackle to win the ball in midfield, that led to the first goal, in Meslier's determination to clear the ball in a challenge in which he knew he was going to get hammered.

Make no mistake. That win was huge last night, and as the BBC website said, may not have saved the season, but has given Leeds much needed breathing space.

I was of the opinion that 35 points would possibly be enough to escape the drop. Another two wins. The matches coming up against Palace, Southampton, Watford and Brighton are pivotal to our survival. In most of those games we will be playing against superior opposition. It will be the character that was shown last night that will be key to getting us over the line.

Elated!

MOT!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lenny on March 19, 2022, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2022, 08:49:44 AM
What can one say?

In the midst of the mayhem last night, Gary Neville asked what it must be like for a Leeds fan. I think I can give some insight. For me personally, it is excruciating. It is emotionally draining. I find myself up and out of the chair and pacing the living room. I'm living every challenge; every opportunity; every near miss; every goal conceded; every goal scored, and at the end I am mentally exhausted.

Many of the emotions associated with this commitment are inevitable disappointment and heartbreak. That therefore makes nights like last night all the more wonderful.

Like many others, I was totally despondent at half time and I honestly could see us getting turned over four, five or six. The red card was of course pivotal but I definitely think both yellows can be justified by the ref. The second, he was unlucky, because he was genuinely going for the ball, but he was late and he took out the keeper. Indeed I would ask the question why Wolves did not have a second player sent off, as Dallas was taken down with a knee high challenge - in the lead up to our equaliser - that was reminiscent of Cooper's red against City last season.

I've said it before and it is important to say it again. The players available, as a collective, simply are not good enough. However you cannot question their commitment and character. That was evident in Bamford's tears when he left the field, in Forshaw's tackle to win the ball in midfield, that led to the first goal, in Meslier's determination to clear the ball in a challenge in which he knew he was going to get hammered.

Make no mistake. That win was huge last night, and as the BBC website said, may not have saved the season, but has given Leeds much needed breathing space.

I was of the opinion that 35 points would possibly be enough to escape the drop. Another two wins. The matches coming up against Palace, Southampton, Watford and Brighton are pivotal to our survival. In most of those games we will be playing against superior opposition. It will be the character that was shown last night that will be key to getting us over the line.

Elated!

MOT!

I like Leeds but I totally disagree on the sending off. The keeper gets there first but followed through recklessly into Jimenez and imo it should have been a free in with a red or yellow to the keeper. In the current game people who win the ball but follow through with lots of momentum into their opponent are most often the ones getting the card. If that was a centre half winning the ball and following through he'd have been in trouble.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 19, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
Agree. Boneshaker of a challenge keeper came off worse so yellow card produced. Either/both could have gotten hurt. Keeper every bit as reckless.

Hope yis stay up
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 19, 2022, 02:02:59 PM
The keeper gets there first but followed through recklessly into Jimenez and imo it should have been a free in with a red or yellow to the keeper.

I can understand people saying Jimenez should not have received a yellow but I'll confess the keeper getting a yellow / red is a viewpoint I never envisaged.

All about opinions of course.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lenny on March 19, 2022, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 19, 2022, 02:02:59 PM
The keeper gets there first but followed through recklessly into Jimenez and imo it should have been a free in with a red or yellow to the keeper.

I can understand people saying Jimenez should not have received a yellow but I'll confess the keeper getting a yellow / red is a viewpoint I never envisaged.

All about opinions of course.

We see it happening to outfield players regularly where they get the ball but follow through in a reckless manner. To me the keeper is the one who is a bit out of control going into the challenge.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2022, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 19, 2022, 02:02:59 PM
The keeper gets there first but followed through recklessly into Jimenez and imo it should have been a free in with a red or yellow to the keeper.

I can understand people saying Jimenez should not have received a yellow but I'll confess the keeper getting a yellow / red is a viewpoint I never envisaged.

All about opinions of course.
Tiny margins.
Leeds could be black guarded the next day
I just can't see them going down however.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2022, 08:26:35 PM
Leeds now 1 point behind Brentford ,( both on 30 played)  and 37/10 to go down.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 21, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2022, 08:26:35 PM
Leeds now 1 point behind Brentford ,( both on 30 played)  and 37/10 to go down.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

Every match continues to be is huge and this really applies to the upcoming matches - Southampton at home and Watford away. These are two of the five remaining fixtures to target for points. Chelsea and City at home and Arsenal away look more doubtful in terms of gathering points. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on March 22, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 18, 2022, 09:59:53 PM
He's Mr Leeds for me. The comically bad defender celebration adding to the joy!

Seemingly he was trying to do a Robby Keane celebration.  Nil  Points.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 07, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
Burnley had a huge win over Everton who are only a point above them. Both teams are now 11/10 to be relegated.
Leeds are 23/5.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 07, 2022, 09:23:22 PM
I suppose a draw would have been a better result for us last night
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 07, 2022, 09:23:22 PM
I suppose a draw would have been a better result for us last night

100% correct. Burnley's win brings the relegation zone two points closer to our tail.

Another huge weekend. If we win at Vicarage Road I will start allowing myself to breathe more easily. Defeat, and a Burnley win at Norwich and we are right back in the mire.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2022, 02:38:45 PM
And suddenly, in a matter of hours, things look so different.

Newcastle beat Wolves last night. I'd expect Burnley to take Norwich tomorrow, and with Everton winning against an absolutely abject Manure, we now need to win this afternoon to essentially stand still.

I have a bad feeling about all of this.

Team named and one change - Kock comes in for Forshaw. Phillips starts on the bench.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 09, 2022, 04:20:22 PM
Leeds living on the edge at the moment
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 09, 2022, 04:36:21 PM
Leeds are 5/1. The bookies don't take the gaaboard nihilism into account.
And the Goal Difference is up to minus 30 which is only the third worst in the division.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2022, 04:32:27 PM
Norwich 2 Burnley 0
Leeds are now 9/1, 10 points ahead of Burnley.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
Huge results after the Everton defeat of Manure.

Beating Watford was essential and was managed, albeit, it was nowhere near as comfortable as the score-line might suggest. At 1-0 up, Watford had a huge chance to equalise which was spurned. Rodrigo seems to be playing like a Spanish international now, under Marsch, which is great to see as he is an excellent player. The return of Philips and Cooper is also adding a lot to Leeds defensively.

Norwich's defeat of Burnley is devastating for the Lancashire club. They will find that hard to come back from that, although they still have games to turn it around.

A few matches ago I thought 35 points might see us safe, although I'm increasingly feeling it might take more. It's difficult though to say with any clarity. Palace away next, and that is this night fortnight. Situation will be much clearer when we next take to the field. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on April 11, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
Huge results after the Everton defeat of Manure.

Beating Watford was essential and was managed, albeit, it was nowhere near as comfortable as the score-line might suggest. At 1-0 up, Watford had a huge chance to equalise which was spurned. Rodrigo seems to be playing like a Spanish international now, under Marsch, which is great to see as he is an excellent player. The return of Philips and Cooper is also adding a lot to Leeds defensively.

Norwich's defeat of Burnley is devastating for the Lancashire club. They will find that hard to come back from that, although they still have games to turn it around.

A few matches ago I thought 35 points might see us safe, although I'm increasingly feeling it might take more. It's difficult though to say with any clarity. Palace away next, and that is this night fortnight. Situation will be much clearer when we next take to the field.

35 will almost certainly be enough. Leeds will finish with at least 37. The current bottom 3 will go.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2022, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: shark on April 11, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
Huge results after the Everton defeat of Manure.

Beating Watford was essential and was managed, albeit, it was nowhere near as comfortable as the score-line might suggest. At 1-0 up, Watford had a huge chance to equalise which was spurned. Rodrigo seems to be playing like a Spanish international now, under Marsch, which is great to see as he is an excellent player. The return of Philips and Cooper is also adding a lot to Leeds defensively.

Norwich's defeat of Burnley is devastating for the Lancashire club. They will find that hard to come back from that, although they still have games to turn it around.

A few matches ago I thought 35 points might see us safe, although I'm increasingly feeling it might take more. It's difficult though to say with any clarity. Palace away next, and that is this night fortnight. Situation will be much clearer when we next take to the field.

35 will almost certainly be enough. Leeds will finish with at least 37. The current bottom 3 will go.
It is interesting to look at the form.
Leeds have 3 wins /5
Everton have 2/5
The bottom 3 have 1/5

It's not just that Leeds and Everton are higher up the table. They are more productive than the others.
Burnley had a great win but lost the next game
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 11, 2022, 05:36:29 PM
Points on the board are what matters at the bottom. In most cases games in hand don't mean extra points although it's hard not to think that way when the chips are down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 12, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
Huge results after the Everton defeat of Manure.

Beating Watford was essential and was managed, albeit, it was nowhere near as comfortable as the score-line might suggest. At 1-0 up, Watford had a huge chance to equalise which was spurned. Rodrigo seems to be playing like a Spanish international now, under Marsch, which is great to see as he is an excellent player. The return of Philips and Cooper is also adding a lot to Leeds defensively.

Norwich's defeat of Burnley is devastating for the Lancashire club. They will find that hard to come back from that, although they still have games to turn it around.

A few matches ago I thought 35 points might see us safe, although I'm increasingly feeling it might take more. It's difficult though to say with any clarity. Palace away next, and that is this night fortnight. Situation will be much clearer when we next take to the field.

A fit Phillips makes all the difference for Leeds, and has for the past 3-4 years.  He makes them a difficult side to break down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 12, 2022, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 12, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
A fit Phillips makes all the difference for Leeds, and has for the past 3-4 years.  He makes them a difficult side to break down.

Agreed totally Billy. I also think Cooper's leadership is a factor - something I have only come to appreciate with his absence. Throw in the absence of Bamford who is so important from a pressing point of view and it is clear how much key injuries impacted the squad and the season. A relatively clean bill of health and surely these worries would have been behind us and MB would have still been in post and able to finish up this Summer on his own terms, as we all would have wanted. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
Bielsa's Aughrim was the goal difference. Still 3rd worst in the division now after a reasonable run.
With a depleted panel he needed to do something different. The change appears to have been vindicated, helped by Burnley  imploding.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

6/3
Norwich 1/40
Watford 5/18
Burnley  11/10
Leeds 16/9




19/3

Norwich 1/100
Watford 3/13
Burnley 8/11
Leeds 3/1

21/3

Norwich 1/100
Watford 3/13
Burnley 7/11
Leeds 3/1
Everton 11/4
Leeds 37/10


2 Apr
Norwich 1/100
Watford 2/11
Burnley 11/21
Everton 11/4
Leeds 22/5

6/4

A soaked and dejected Frank Lampard trudged off the pitch at full-time, his side now having lost six straight away from home in the league, sucked ever deeper into trouble.

6 Apr

Norwich 1/200
Watford 1/5
Burnley 11/10
Everton 11/10
Leeds 23/5

8 Apr

Norwich 1/100
Watford 1/16
Burnley 5/7
Everton 2/1
Leeds 7/1

9 April
Norwich 1/66
Watford 1/16
Burnley 4/12
Everton 16/5
Leeds 44/5

12 April
Norwich 1/66
Watford 1/16
Burnley 4/12
Everton 16/5
Leeds 10/1
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
Bielsa's Aughrim was the goal difference. Still 3rd worst in the division now after a reasonable run.
With a depleted panel he needed to do something different. The change appears to have been vindicated, helped by Burnley  imploding.

Fair comment, and one of those things would have been some element of investment in the January transfer window. I like to read Phil Hay regularly and he is in no doubt that this issue is recognised by the top brass in the Club and there will be significant activity in the Summer, regardless of how we do or where we end up playing.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2022, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2022, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
Bielsa's Aughrim was the goal difference. Still 3rd worst in the division now after a reasonable run.
With a depleted panel he needed to do something different. The change appears to have been vindicated, helped by Burnley  imploding.

Fair comment, and one of those things would have been some element of investment in the January transfer window. I like to read Phil Hay regularly and he is in no doubt that this issue is recognised by the top brass in the Club and there will be significant activity in the Summer, regardless of how we do or where we end up playing.
It's a pity he didn't because the resilience shown recently had a lot to do with his work. He left Leeds in a stronger position.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2022, 01:54:21 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0415/1292544-sean-dyche-sacked-by-burnley/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2022, 08:34:11 AM
Time of course will be the true judge of how wise the Burnley decision to get rid of Dyche is, but I honestly would have thought the time to do it - if they were choosing to let him go - would have been when Leeds let Bielsa go back in February, rather than now, with eight games to go. It smacks a wee bit of desperation and possibly hoping that a new voice in the dressing room will reinvigorate the team.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2022, 09:04:40 AM
And so things move on.

Ten days since the last post here and Burnley have responded to the sacking of Dyche by going on an excellent run which has seen them climb out of the bottom three for the first time since October. Their next match is at Watford. They have been replaced in the bottom three by Everton, but for us it means that the trap door is now that bit closer.

Whilst things look bad for Everton, it's not unreasonable to suggest that their run in is on a par with ours, or indeed is less challenging.

Leeds got a point last night. I'd imagine the neutrals would have found it a bore but for a Leeds' follower it was heart in the mouth stuff, with only one team ever looking like winning, and it wasn't Leeds. Still, they showed a bit of defensive steel, and although that will not be enough against City, the hope would be that it might squeeze a point or two at home to Chelsea and away to Arsenal. But it's still all to play for.

@seafoid, I'd be interested to see those bookie's odds now. I think Leeds are back in to 5/1 for the drop.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 26, 2022, 10:06:48 AM
It was heart in mouth time but the defence was strong and I'd say they'll give City their fill of it on Saturday. Burnley's run has put the cat among the pigeons and their tails are bound to be up now that they're out of the bottom 3 and have an easier run in then Leeds or Everton
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2022, 10:50:48 AM
17/4, Rufus.
Fascinating dynamics.

The third spot will surely be between Everton and Burnley.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Results went disastrously for Leeds this weekend and for the first time Paddy Power has us as 5/4 favourites for the third relegation spot. It's hard to believe that people were suggesting a matter of weeks ago that the normal safety level of 35 points would not be needed this year, and 33 or even lower might do the job. The way in which our rivals are picking up unlikely wins is making it look as though Leeds could get to 40 points and still go down. There will be more twists and turns, but Burnley have a straightforward run in and Everton have plenty of chances to pick up points. We have Arsenal and Chelsea next up, and, if we cannot get something from those two games, we will need to beat Brighton and Brentford to make the 40 point mark. It's all starting to look a bit Shakespearean after Bielsa's departure and it would be cruel if we find ourselves back in the championship after all the emotion of the last two seasons. The problem was plainly failing to recruit in the January window, which was Bielsa's choice but could come back to haunt us yet.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on May 01, 2022, 09:49:52 PM
Have you a Bielsa quote saying he didn't want to buy in January? I hadn't seen that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2022, 10:52:33 PM
Bielsa is a genius by any standards and his philosophy is based on tight, well organised squads in which everyone knows their job and replacements should come from within the system. He said he would recruit if someone was available who was better than he already had, but he clearly overestimated his existing resources. While there is no doubt that January transfers often do not work, either a new striker or a midfielder of any reasonable standard would have made an enormous difference to Leeds. It looks like it may well go to the last day, when the enormous pressure may not suit us.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2022, 01:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Results went disastrously for Leeds this weekend and for the first time Paddy Power has us as 5/4 favourites for the third relegation spot. It's hard to believe that people were suggesting a matter of weeks ago that the normal safety level of 35 points would not be needed this year, and 33 or even lower might do the job. The way in which our rivals are picking up unlikely wins is making it look as though Leeds could get to 40 points and still go down. There will be more twists and turns, but Burnley have a straightforward run in and Everton have plenty of chances to pick up points. We have Arsenal and Chelsea next up, and, if we cannot get something from those two games, we will need to beat Brighton and Brentford to make the 40 point mark. It's all starting to look a bit Shakespearean after Bielsa's departure and it would be cruel if we find ourselves back in the championship after all the emotion of the last two seasons. The problem was plainly failing to recruit in the January window, which was Bielsa's choice but could come back to haunt us yet.

Good post. I was mulling it over in my mind this evening and I was thinking exactly as you have been, i.e. we could get to 40 points and still go down. It's the Leeds' way unfortunately - it's a long time since 40 points saw a side relegated but it is by no means unprecedented.

I listened to Burnley yesterday and there seemed to be an inevitability about what was going to unfold, even after the game entered the last ten minutes with Burnley behind. We were always going to get turned over by City but to add to the defeat are the injury concerns to Cooper and Dallas, who now looks gone for the season.

I watched Everton today and the way the game fell was so typical. Chelsea dominating, an inspired keeper keeping them at bay, that priceless commodity of luck, with a shot hitting both posts and not going in and a defensive howler by Chelsea to concede a goal. Everton have Leicester away next and after that the fixtures are favourable.

However, when all is said and done, the seeds of this disaster were planted last Summer and in January with failure to invest / strengthen the squad and a small squad undone by injuries to a range of key players. I firmly believe that the logic for this strategy was down to the players overachieving last season and finishing ninth. The reality is that many of those players were / are Championship players who were playing above themselves.

Whose fault it was is likely to come under greater scrutiny in the coming months but it is unlikely to affect the outcome. Gutted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 02, 2022, 07:52:22 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2022, 01:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Results went disastrously for Leeds this weekend and for the first time Paddy Power has us as 5/4 favourites for the third relegation spot. It's hard to believe that people were suggesting a matter of weeks ago that the normal safety level of 35 points would not be needed this year, and 33 or even lower might do the job. The way in which our rivals are picking up unlikely wins is making it look as though Leeds could get to 40 points and still go down. There will be more twists and turns, but Burnley have a straightforward run in and Everton have plenty of chances to pick up points. We have Arsenal and Chelsea next up, and, if we cannot get something from those two games, we will need to beat Brighton and Brentford to make the 40 point mark. It's all starting to look a bit Shakespearean after Bielsa's departure and it would be cruel if we find ourselves back in the championship after all the emotion of the last two seasons. The problem was plainly failing to recruit in the January window, which was Bielsa's choice but could come back to haunt us yet.

Good post. I was mulling it over in my mind this evening and I was thinking exactly as you have been, i.e. we could get to 40 points and still go down. It's the Leeds' way unfortunately - it's a long time since 40 points saw a side relegated but it is by no means unprecedented.

I listened to Burnley yesterday and there seemed to be an inevitability about what was going to unfold, even after the game entered the last ten minutes with Burnley behind. We were always going to get turned over by City but to add to the defeat are the injury concerns to Cooper and Dallas, who now looks gone for the season.

I watched Everton today and the way the game fell was so typical. Chelsea dominating, an inspired keeper keeping them at bay, that priceless commodity of luck, with a shot hitting both posts and not going in and a defensive howler by Chelsea to concede a goal. Everton have Leicester away next and after that the fixtures are favourable.

However, when all is said and done, the seeds of this disaster were planted last Summer and in January with failure to invest / strengthen the squad and a small squad undone by injuries to a range of key players. I firmly believe that the logic for this strategy was down to the players overachieving last season and finishing ninth. The reality is that many of those players were / are Championship players who were playing above themselves.

Whose fault it was is likely to come under greater scrutiny in the coming months but it is unlikely to affect the outcome. Gutted.
Burnley beat Watford.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2022, 09:30:50 PM
Leeds supporters may have to die a thousand deaths for the rest of the season, but at least, after the worst opening 20 minutes we have endured in probably over a decade, we showed some fight in the second half and might even have got an astonishing draw in injury time. While Ayling has been one of our heroes of recent years, he had a nightmare today and was partially responsible for both early goals before getting a completely irresponsible red card. Meslier is a decent young keeper who has looked ill at ease of late and made a shocking error for the opener. If Ayling had avoided diving with both feet, and Meslier had simply hoofed a clearance up the field, we could easily have got something out of a game in which nerves got to Arsenal.

The big problem, as contributors to this thread have pointed out, was the failure to strengthen the squad after a brilliant return to the premiership. We brought in Firpo, who looks like a liability at left back and has been booked ten times in 20 games, when we could simply have extended Alioski's contract, and invested heavily in James, who is a decent prospect in a position where we already had plenty of options.

It was painfully obvious that we actually needed another striker, to cover for Bamford who has ended up missing almost the entire season, and a central midfielder, to replace Klich, a great servant who is plainly past his best.

One of the few positives today was young Bate, who competed well after coming off the bench and must surely start against Chelsea on Wednesday. We may need seven points from our last nine to stay up, so we have to hope that the players can cope with the enormous pressure which is out there.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 09, 2022, 09:07:43 AM
A disaster of an afternoon yesterday and there was a point at one stage where I would have taken a 4-0 defeat.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2022, 09:30:50 PM
If Ayling had avoided diving with both feet, and Meslier had simply hoofed a clearance up the field, we could easily have got something out of a game in which nerves got to Arsenal.

It is possible, but my sense is that if we had been more competitive from early on, we'd probably have got more of a clipping on the scoreboard. I think Arsenal were totally lulled into a false sense of security and could not restart their game thereafter. Either way though, it is largely a moot point, in the wider context of the season.

I think Everton are more or less safe with that win yesterday, and with Watford still to play. That leaves Burnley or ourselves and I am not hopeful. There is still no sign of Bamford and with Ayling's moment of madness yesterday, there is a good chance that we will play the remaining fixtures with a defence shorn of Cooper, Ayling and Dallas. We essentially need to get more points than Burnley.

The Chelsea fixture at home is of course tough, but now seems to be the right time to get them and the match will be played a few days before the Cup Final. The hope is that Chelsea minds are elsewhere. The last two fixtures, Brighton at home and Brentford away, are ones that I had in mind for a possible six points, but both sides are now playing well and playing with confidence? Might there be a possibility of both those teams already thinking of their holidays? Hope springs eternal.   

Burnley have Villa away, Spurs away and Newcastle at home. Villa gave them a clipping at Turf Moor on Saturday but they lack consistency, and I would not rule out Burnley getting something from that game. Spurs away should be a bridge too far, but would be dependent on Spurs still being in with a shout of Champions League football, which means they (Spurs) need to get something from the North London derby on Thursday. Home to Newcastle on the last day of the season is anyone's guess.

The first hour yesterday was as bad as I can remember. Leeds couldn't get the ball even into the Arsenal half, and I've noted that Marsch is now coming into the line of fire from the supporters. Whilst I was gutted about Bielsa, I'm not sure what more Marsch could reasonably do in the circumstances, as this train of events was already set in motion - as we've discussed here - from January.

All that we can be sure of though is a white knuckle ride over the next couple of weeks, and being Leeds, the probability of excruciating disappointment!

Sure it's the Leeds' way!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2022, 10:32:29 AM
Leeds need 1 point more than Burnley/Everton
The goal difference is atrocious
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on May 11, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
The life of a Leeds fan must be a frustrating existence!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 12, 2022, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
The life of a Leeds fan must be a frustrating existence!!

I'm afraid it's part of the package that includes stress, anxiety and despair, to name but three.

Zero points from the last three games, although the likelihood of getting anything from those games was always going to be slim. The last two matches were always going to be the games that counted - home to Brighton and away to Brentford.

Last night's game was desperate stuff. Never looked remotely like causing Chelsea problems in the first 23 minutes, and then when Dan James was sent off for a reckless challenge, it was a matter of damage limitation. To add to our woes, Harrison went off injured and must be a doubt and Raphinha was taken off, whilst appearing to indicate a groin problem. Both would represent huge losses for the next two games.

Everton's draw at Watford means they are not out of the woods yet, but the likelihood it is going to be Leeds or Burnley and as Seafoid said, we need to get one point more than Burnley. I have to say my sense is that it will take four points and I'm struggling to see us getting them.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 12, 2022, 11:00:50 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 12, 2022, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
The life of a Leeds fan must be a frustrating existence!!

I'm afraid it's part of the package that includes stress, anxiety and despair, to name but three.

Zero points from the last three games, although the likelihood of getting anything from those games was always going to be slim. The last two matches were always going to be the games that counted - home to Brighton and away to Brentford.

Last night's game was desperate stuff. Never looked remotely like causing Chelsea problems in the first 23 minutes, and then when Dan James was sent off for a reckless challenge, it was a matter of damage limitation. To add to our woes, Harrison went off injured and must be a doubt and Raphinha was taken off, whilst appearing to indicate a groin problem. Both would represent huge losses for the next two games.

Everton's draw at Watford means they are not out of the woods yet, but the likelihood it is going to be Leeds or Burnley and as Seafoid said, we need to get one point more than Burnley. I have to say my sense is that it will take four points and I'm struggling to see us getting them.

I suspect that you are right on that one.  I dont think that is impossible though.  I see it coming down to the final game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 13, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
QuoteI have to say my sense is that it will take four points and I'm struggling to see us getting them.   

I don't see 4 points under any realistic circumstances, Rufus!  :'(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 13, 2022, 04:06:23 PM
If Burnley lose their game in hand it will be easier.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2022, 11:48:54 AM
Big day today. Burnley versus Tottenham
Leeds versus Brighton.
Tús maith leath na h-oibre.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
A point that could yet prove invaluable and yet (for me) there's a sense that we needed more. I look back on yesterday and bemoan the chances missed, with Gelhardt's goal bound shot hitting Cooper in the face as he stood on the line, and Raph's freekick thunderbolt coming back off the bar. But if truth be told, we could easily have lost, and were thankful for Wellbeck missing a sitter late on and Striujk's injury time equaliser.

Definite game of two halves. Appeared very nervous and error prone in the first half - threw caution to the wind and played with great heart and determination in the second half and even Potter felt we were not undeserving of the draw.

The hope is that Burnley get clipped at Villa on Thursday, and then it comes down to a shoot out with Leeds needing to at worst, equal Burnley's result.  Brentford away for us is going to be a tough ask, with Ericson (sp) pulling the strings for them. Burnley are at home to Newcastle, so a lot will depend on the Newcastle approach.

Everton are at home to Palace and away to Arsenal in their last two, and I could see then losing both, but I cannot see us winning at Brentford, which would allow us to overtake them in terms of points. Our goal difference could yet be our undoing.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 16, 2022, 10:04:14 AM
Yesterday morning on the BBC website someone said that if results went against Leeds, the club could be all but down by teatime.
But Burnley and Everton both lost. The goal difference means Leeds have no room for complacency. The point was very important. Burnley could lose all 3 matches. It's all to  play for.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 16, 2022, 11:04:48 PM
Leeds supporters are used to tension but this week is off the scale. We were almost certainly gone before Struijk's 92nd minute goal and the pressure now switches to Everton and Burnley on Thursday. You would expect Everton to win at home against Palace and Burnley on their performance yesterday are well capable of getting a result at Villa. There must be a serious danger that Burnley and Leeds draw their remaining fixtures, which would obviously put us down on goal difference. If Leeds are left needing three points at Brentford to stay up on the last day, you would have to take it. However, we apparently have not won there for over 70 years. Our hopes largely rest with Gelhardt, who has just turned 20. Drink may be needed before, during and after Sunday's games.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 19, 2022, 10:49:32 AM
Tonight is huge. The ideal scenario of course is that Burnley are beaten by Villa and we just have to match their result on Sunday. I could see Everton getting clipped in both their remaining fixtures, but for us to overtake them, we would need to win at Brentford, and I'm struggling with that scenario, to be honest.

White knuckle ride coming up and I'm not looking forward to it.   :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
Everton 0 Palace 2
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
Everton 0 Palace 2

Remarkable comeback by Everton to save their Premier League status. To be honest, I never thought it likely we could catch them, so the real interest was at Villa Park. Having given them a real going over at Turf Moor only recently, I was hoping Villa might do the same again last night, but it wasn't to be. Villa had chances but were denied by a world class performance from the Burnley keeper, Nick Pope. Indeed, Burnley could have snatched a win late on, but for an unbelievable block by Tyrone Mings late in the game.

That point means that Leeds now need to better Burnley's score on Sunday, and my sense is that that means a win at Brentford will be needed, which I just cannot see happening. Nothing of course is impossible, but Leeds now look odds on for the drop.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 20, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
Everton 0 Palace 2

Remarkable comeback by Everton to save their Premier League status. To be honest, I never thought it likely we could catch them, so the real interest was at Villa Park. Having given them a real going over at Turf Moor only recently, I was hoping Villa might do the same again last night, but it wasn't to be. Villa had chances but were denied by a world class performance from the Burnley keeper, Nick Pope. Indeed, Burnley could have snatched a win late on, but for an unbelievable block by Tyrone Mings late in the game.

That point means that Leeds now need to better Burnley's score on Sunday, and my sense is that that means a win at Brentford will be needed, which I just cannot see happening. Nothing of course is impossible, but Leeds now look odds on for the drop.  :(

The save by Martinez and block by Mings were outstanding, but overall i cant believe villa didnt come away with a win there.  Pope made save after save right out of the top drawer.

It sets up a big final day finish.  There will be more twists and turns.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
The money at stake is enormous.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 21, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
It's hard to believe it has come to this but the chances of Leeds surviving tomorrow are slim. We realistically needed Burnley to lose at Villa, where they were completely outplayed but almost snatched it in injury time. Having to better their final result is a big ask, as there is a fair bit of history between Brentford and Leeds with the last away win in the fixture in 1950. Burnley have a much more straightforward task at home to Newcastle, and they must be confident in the circumstances. There has always been a decent prospect that Leeds will go down on goal difference, which will make it all even harder to take. However, at least we have a shot at it, and sometimes you never know what can happen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 05:57:14 PM
 https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/60990569

GOAL - Brentford 1-2 Leeds

Jack Harrison

LEEDS ARE SAFE!

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 22, 2022, 08:08:11 PM
It was hard to believe where we were going into the match and in some ways it is even harder to believe that we actually made it to safety. Leeds were as nervous as kittens for most of the match and a bit of quality from Raphinha to win and convert the penalty made all the difference. However we still managed to concede against ten men before Canos produced two acts of madness within a minute - getting booked for taking his shirt off after a goal which was meaningless for his team and then bringing down Raphinha needlessly for an inevitable second yellow which left Brentford down to nine. Even then, Burnley were missing chance after chance to equalise against Newcastle. Harrison's goal was sweet relief, and the crazy roller coaster has finally come to an end.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 08:48:17 PM
One team had to have the luck. Burnley went 2-0 down so must have had worse nerves. In pre match analysis Burnley 2-0 down  was the dream start for Leeds.   Leeds kept it at 0-0 for a good while before going 1 up. This was very impressive.
It was a bad day for Leeds nihilists.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on May 22, 2022, 09:11:37 PM
Leeds won their game and Burnley were muck in their game, they should have recalled Stonewall Dyche for this game.
Although Burnley managed to get back into a favourable position going into the last round, this team is a poor man's Burnley of previous seasons. Leeds are a much better team and fate was also on their side with that most stupid of 2 yellow cards for that Brentford player.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on May 22, 2022, 11:33:15 PM
Leeds are a great club and good to see they'll be at the top table.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on May 22, 2022, 11:43:50 PM
Great result for Leeds. They had an unfortunate season with injuries. I think it'll be better next season. I assume Rufus T is still celebrating
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Armamike on May 23, 2022, 10:14:20 AM
Happy for Leeds and for the likes of Rufus here who have been through some bad times following the club over the past 15 years.  Leeds are a a great club with a proud history and great to see them back in the top tier.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 23, 2022, 10:27:57 AM
Great to see them stay up though i would be worried for them next year, if any of their big guns leave, and as said before i think the manager is a bluffer

All we need now is Forest back up (Ipswich to follow in a few yrs lol) then maybe Liverpool could start dominating again?! Im dreaming arent i 😊
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 23, 2022, 11:07:17 AM
And breathe!!  :D

That was excruciating - I watched the match on my own in the house and couldn't sit down throughout the second half. Saw one or two of the chances that Burnley missed on MOTD - thank God I wasn't watching that live.

Luck definitely played a part in staying up, on the day. Brentford were very poor, and had the look of a team already on the beach. The fact they finished with nine men was unbelievable but even with that we were level for what seemed like ages and Burnley were therefore only one goal from survival for that time.

That team would take years off you. But for Striujk's injury time equaliser against Brighton last Sunday and Mings incredible goal line clearance on Thursday night for Villa at home to Burnley, we'd have been gone already. That's how close we sailed to the wind.

Looking back, I don't think you can fault the attitude. How many invaluable points were picked up with late winners / equalisers? Wolves home and away, Palace at home, Brentford home and away, Norwich home, Brighton home are a few that come to mind.   

I think staying up is huge in the long term. There have unquestionably been a series of mistakes, certainly in the context of squad management, which left us very vulnerable. The fact that we have dodged a bullet means that lessons can and surely will be learned, i.e. the need for more investment.

If Raph goes, we should be able to get good money for him, which in itself should add to the battle fund. Strengthening needed across the pitch, but central midfield, left back and centre forward are three key areas. Having support for Bamford is essential as we have played this season without a striker.

Someone above mentioned the manager, and it is still very early days to judge. He's earned himself time and the opportunity to put his stamp in terms of playing style, tactics, personnel. Someone mentioned a spoofer and I can see why. I think he is coming into a very different football culture and he will have to dial down some of the rhetoric.

Have to say that the last few months were nerve wracking - any hope of a season of mid table mediocrity for next year!?!  :-\ 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2022, 12:08:32 PM
Two weeks off and get back at it!!!

My mate was having kittens, he whole family all dressed up in the Leeds gear lol. Hopefully he's sobered up.. While a lot of the attention was on the other games these ones were horrific and brilliant depending on who you support.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 23, 2022, 05:27:44 PM
It is possible that neutral viewers enjoyed the drama of yesterday but it was pure agony for the committed. When Leeds were one up at Brentford in the middle of the second half, with Burnley losing 2-0 at home to Newcastle, it almost looked comfortable. In the blink of an eye, Burnley had pulled one back and were battering Newcastle while Leeds managed to concede an equaliser against ten men. We just about managed to stumble over the line in the end, and a proper recruitment strategy is now essential. Rufus has correctly identified the areas which need strengthening, and the usually reliable Phil Hay says that Brenden Aaronson is finally on his way from RB Salzburg and an unnamed Premiership striker is also lined up. Firpo is sadly not the answer at left back so hopefully the various deals can completed at an early stage and further last day turmoil can be avoided. However, with Leeds, anything is possible.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 24, 2022, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 23, 2022, 05:27:44 PM
...the usually reliable Phil Hay says that Brenden Aaronson is finally on his way from RB Salzburg and an unnamed Premiership striker is also lined up.

Read that tweet. Will be very interested to see who the striker is. Wonder would we go back for Eddie Nketiah? Is he out of contract at Arsenal? Definitely showing good form recently.

Also saw a report that Harrison is attracting interest from other Premier League Clubs, with Spurs mentioned, and he himself would be open to a move. In such circumstances, I'd be guessing we could get a good fee for Harrison. He's been a good servant, but as a supporter, I'd be happy to see him go if we could get £15 million+.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 24, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Meant to say, as an aside, our 59 points last season would have had us qualifying for European football this season!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 26, 2022, 10:37:10 AM
Brenden Aaronson is a done deal and he is expected in Leeds today for a medical. He will link up again with Jesse Marsch after they were together at Salzburg. Raphinha looks to be on his way out and to be fair, he is going with the blessing of the Leeds support as they recognise the commitment he made to what had looked like a no hope situation. Barca are meant to have offered a derisory 35/40 million euro offer as an opening gambit, but it's fair to say Leeds will be looking significantly more and are in a relatively strong bargaining position.

Harrison is also attracting interest from Newcastle, which hopefully with Spurs' interest, will generate a bit of a bidding war!! Wouldn't like to see him go but if the money is right (good), it might make sense to cash in.

Also some talk of Leeds renewing interest in Minamino from Liverpool although likely to face competition for his services. 

Leeds also being linked again with Aberdeen right back Calvin Ramsay.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 26, 2022, 10:40:28 AM
Do Leeds fans expect to lose Phillips too?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on May 26, 2022, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 24, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Meant to say, as an aside, our 59 points last season would have had us qualifying for European football this season!  :o

Yeah last season was unusual in that respect. Villa finished 11th with a points total that had never before placed a team in the bottom half.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 26, 2022, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 26, 2022, 10:40:28 AM
Do Leeds fans expect to lose Phillips too?

I don't think anyone is completely sure but I think there is an expectation that he will stay. Premier League football is obviously a big factor. Add to that he and his family are local and big Leeds supporters, so there is that added bond to the Club. Be interesting to see though if they look to renegotiate and tie him down to a longer deal.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 11, 2022, 02:46:47 PM
The fact that Leeds were very fortunate to stay up last season, and are now losing our two best players, with Phillips gone and Raphinha likely to follow within days, would strongly suggest another relegation struggle awaits. In fairness, the board has embarked on a major recruitment drive with six new signings completed and at least one more in the pipeline. Every transfer is a gamble, and Bielsa's success was largely based on his ability to improve his existing players. However, it became clear that the overall squad was far too weak and we have to hope that the new arrivals are up to the task. We are also going to find out shortly if Marsch, having been given significant financial backing as he completes his first preseason schedule, is a Premiership manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
Given the pointless dice with relegation last season , the decision to sell Rapinha and Phillips for the guts of 100m should provide the funds to reinforce the squad where necessary.https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0713/1309987-transfers-raphinha-barca-bound-as-leeds-agree-deal/

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 26, 2022, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
Given the pointless dice with relegation last season , the decision to sell Rapinha and Phillips for the guts of 100m should provide the funds to reinforce the squad where necessary.https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0713/1309987-transfers-raphinha-barca-bound-as-leeds-agree-deal/

The whole process seems to be going well. We've sold our two most valuable players but have strengthened the squad considerably. I'll confess that I know little or nothing about the new players, other than what I read in the media, but there appear to be promising signs from matches played to date.. Once again, reports suggest we are still in with a chance of Charles De Ketelaere (sp?) as Milan are not willing to pay the asking price that Bruges have put down - a price Leeds have already surpassed.

We are also in the market for a striker and continue to be heavily linked to Arnaud Kalimuendo of PSG. Again, know little about him other than he did well at Lens on loan last season and is highly thought of in France as a future prospect.

One last thing to mention - with all the incoming players, a lot of the fringe players are now going out on loan or being moved on. Charlie Creswell and Jamie Shackleton have gone to Millwall, whilst Tyler Roberts is on loan to QPR. Leif Davis has been sold to Ipswich. Also talk of Lewis Bate going out on loan although no talk of Cody Drameh. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Poor Burnley are back at work already
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0729/1313045-cullen-costelloe-help-burnley-make-perfect-start/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 30, 2022, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Poor Burnley are back at work already
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0729/1313045-cullen-costelloe-help-burnley-make-perfect-start/

But for the grace of God....

Didn't see the game but by all accounts Burnley were very impressive, in what was a very tough opening fixture, with comments made about their possession and the number of passes they made. Kompany might prove to be a very astute signing as manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 30, 2022, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Poor Burnley are back at work already
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0729/1313045-cullen-costelloe-help-burnley-make-perfect-start/

But for the grace of God....

Didn't see the game but by all accounts Burnley were very impressive, in what was a very tough opening fixture, with comments made about their possession and the number of passes they made. Kompany might prove to be a very astute signing as manager.
He might turn out to be but relegation is hugely disruptive and getting out of the Championship is not easy

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/content/burnley-fc-retained-list-confirmed


Ben Mee, Aaron Lennon, Phil Bardsley, Dale Stephens and Erik Pieters are among a total of 14 professionals to depart the Club upon the conclusion of their contracts at Turf Moor at the end of this month, alongside U23 players Joel Mumbongo, Richard Nartey, Anthony Glennon, Ethen Vaughan, Sam Unwin, Anthony Gomez Mancini, Calen Gallagher-Allison, Joel Connolly and Harry Allen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 06, 2022, 07:01:38 PM
Good start. Wolves are a decent team.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2022, 04:43:50 PM
Coming from behind to win against a side who finished well ahead of us last season was quite a performance. The new faces, particularly Aaronson, looked the part, although there still some clear defensive issues so the return of Cooper and the purchase of a left back are important, Our opening run of fixtures are relatively kind, apart from the visit of Chelsea, and we need to get some early points on the board, but confidence will definitely grow after yesterday.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 08, 2022, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2022, 04:43:50 PM
Coming from behind to win against a side who finished well ahead of us last season was quite a performance. The new faces, particularly Aaronson, looked the part, although there still some clear defensive issues so the return of Cooper and the purchase of a left back are important, Our opening run of fixtures are relatively kind, apart from the visit of Chelsea, and we need to get some early points on the board, but confidence will definitely grow after yesterday.

Result was everything. I know listening to lads who saw the game live, that Wolves absolutely bossed the third quarter and they felt that Wolves could count themselves a tad unfortunate on the balance of play. So any optimism should be tempered. Aaronson looked impressive and hear there were good performances from Kristensen and Adams. Good to see Rodrigo score and Klich also meant to have performed well when he came on. The need for a striker and left back still need to be addressed. 

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 18, 2022, 10:50:42 AM
Should have had the three points at Southampton, as we were two up with less than half an hour to go. I have seen a lot of criticism of the manager, who it could be argued was too slow to make changes when Southampton were increasingly on the front foot. I note a number of analysts also highlighting that we seem to be vulnerable to attacks out wide, with both goals coming from those areas as teams get behind us.

Rodrigo is playing well and his confidence has to be improving, with three goals from two games. Bamford went off injured which highlighted again the need for reinforcements up front. The two U.S. lads seem to be playing well but the need for a left back also remains a priority. Still plenty of rumours linking us to different players, but nothing definite.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 18, 2022, 11:32:11 AM
Take heart in that you have more points than either Liverpool or Man U.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 18, 2022, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 18, 2022, 11:32:11 AM
Take heart in that you have more points than either Liverpool or Man U.

Hasn't gone unnoticed!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 21, 2022, 03:54:14 PM
Leeds 3 Chelsea 0

Some result
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on August 21, 2022, 06:04:45 PM
Some result for Leeds.  Manager is in no way likeable (unlike his predecessor) and I was sure he was a spoofer,  but now it's hard to argue with his results and performances. The '0' in the conceded column today was particularly impressive
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on August 21, 2022, 06:42:03 PM
What's up with Marsch? Is he not liked at the club?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 22, 2022, 09:38:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2022, 06:42:03 PM
What's up with Marsch? Is he not liked at the club?

I think it was the love for Bielsa from right across the support that meant his replacement - whoever it was - was always going to have a big task to win the supporters over. Furthermore, there is a wee bit of soccer snobbery, given that he is a "Yank" and the sense I get is that the accent and some of the phraseology grates with some of the more old fashioned supporters who think that the USA is a soccer wilderness.

Last season he essentially had to work with what Bielsa had left him - a huge injury list included - with the primary aim of staying up, which he achieved. The team is now considered to be more in his image and it is accepted that he will now be judged on the results that follow. Bielsa was a God at the Club and is still much loved and revered, but if the team continue to perform like yesterday and Marsch continues to show the passion and commitment to the Club and the jersey, then he will win over the malcontents.

As for the game, it was a great occasion and a great performance. Thoroughly deserved win and one which particularly irked Thomas Tuchel.  :) It was a great team effort with excellent individual performances all over the pitch. Harrison given Man of the Match but I thought the two Americans were just ahead of him in terms of performance and Rodrigo is playing with confidence and is now at last looking like a Spanish International. Definite hope for the future and will be interesting to see if we add to the squad before the end of the transfer window. Newcastle are still said to be interested in sniffing around Harrison, but on the basis of yesterday, it should take a considerable sum of money to force his release. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2022, 12:08:43 PM
It's very early days but the signs are all good for Leeds. Our home results have been very patchy since promotion, with only four wins in the whole of last season and three of them coming against the relegated sides. Yesterday marked a return to Fortress Elland Road, which will be crucial if the improvement is to be maintained. Marsch will probably calm down in due course but he was entitled to be a little over animated as all his new signings were highly impressive and he is clearly getting the best out of Rodrigo and Harrison. While all Leeds fans know that setbacks are seldom far away, the next few fixtures provide at least some opportunities for more points. An additional striker should still be on the agenda but the bench already looks at an entirely different level. It's just a pity we cannot play Chelsea every week.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 22, 2022, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2022, 12:08:43 PM
Marsch will probably calm down in due course but he was entitled to be a little over animated as all his new signings were highly impressive and he is clearly getting the best out of Rodrigo and Harrison.

Funny, it was only when I looked at the line up last night that it dawned on me how far removed the starting eleven was from the Championship winning side. Harrison and Meslier (who only came in for the last ten matches or so in 2020) were the only two to start from just three years ago. Granted Klich and Forshaw came on and Bamford, Dallas, Ayling and Cooper are all still out injured, but I felt for the first time that there was a real sense that the team has moved on considerably from promotion. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 29, 2022, 02:27:34 PM
5th isn't a bad start
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 31, 2022, 08:50:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2022, 02:27:34 PM
5th isn't a bad start

You're right, it's not. Some sage somewhere was able to point out that in the history of the Premier League, no team that has gathered at least eight points from their first five games has ever gone on to be relegated from the Premier League, so history is smiling. That said, the opening fixtures were relatively favourable and tougher tests await.

Brighton away has always been challenging for Leeds and they were deservedly beaten there at the weekend. Had one or two half chances but Brighton dominated and Leeds struggled to threaten. I'd have to say Brighton have looked quite impressive, albeit they were beaten last night.

We dominated the game last night but our old failing of not converting chances came back to bite us. Everton took the lead against the run of play, thanks to a bad error by Llorente and we lost our way up to half time. The second half started with fresh impetus, and we deservedly got an equaliser through the impressive Sinisterra but we could not get the winner despite the pressure. Indeed, Everton threatened a second goal on one or two occasions.

All in all, two points dropped and we also lost Rodrigo to a dislocated shoulder which could have implications for any decision on bolstering our forward resources before tomorrow. Angus Kinnear strongly suggested in last night's programme notes that they were happy with our striking options, but that may need to be revisited if Rodrigo is out for the medium term, alongside Bamford's fragile physical health.  A decision has to be made and time is not on their side.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 31, 2022, 09:41:45 AM
There's no doubt that last night was a throwback to the championship days under Bielsa when Leeds regularly dominated games while missing chances and conceding dodgy goals. It was a match which Leeds would probably have lost last season, as Everton had two major opportunities in the closing stages, so it may well go down as a point gained rather than two dropped. An Everton win would have left them only two points behind us, while the draw maintained a five point gap. A similar margin at the end of the season would be a decent outcome, and it is clear we could be in an even stronger position if a new striker appears. There are strong hints that the budget is limited but a relatively modest investment now could prevent massive difficulties later on. Rodrigo, Bamford and Gelhardt have already had injuries in the opening weeks, and, if they are not available, playing James or Greenwood out of position as a lone striker would be a huge risk.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 31, 2022, 11:24:34 AM
Last year Leeds had an average of 1 point per game = 38.
So far Leeds have 8 points from 5 or 1.6 on average.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 07, 2022, 10:57:30 AM
First post in about a week on this thread and there is already a lot of water under the bridge.

The last day of the transfer window was, even by Leeds' standards, the stuff of absolute mayhem. They appeared to have sealed a deal for striker Bamba Dieng, with Radrizzani inviting supporters to welcome him on Twitter, and him literally sitting on a plane waiting to depart for Leeds. However his head was turned by a last minute intervention by Nice, and the deal fell through. Unbelievably he then failed his medical at Nice and that transfer also appeared to fall through.

Leeds were now desperate to get another striker in, with Rodrigo injured, and went chasing Cody Gakpo at the eleventh hour without success, although there were hints that this deal might happen again in the near future.

Leeds therefore brought forward the signing of Wilfried Gnonto from Zurich (it was due to take place in January). He is only 18 but is already a full Italian international, so the hope would be that he should be able to offer something now. That said, if things were to go pear shaped for Bamford's fitness, and with Rodrigo out, options suddenly look very few and the supporters will not be long in letting the Board know that.

And Dan James was also released - on loan - to Fulham. I've sympathy for him, as he always appeared totally committed to the Club, was regularly played out of position, and didn't want to leave.

Back to the acion and we got a 5-2 thumping at Brentford. A lot of supporters reckon that it was actually a decent enough performance but was undone by a series of terrible defensive errors, with Llorente, not for the first time, being culpable. The return of Cooper is therefore likely to see him drop to the bench.

Next up is Forest at home, and a win would be very welcome. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 05, 2022, 11:24:43 AM
First match in nearly a month, last weekend and it was a turgid affair - 0-0 at home to Villa.

The match turned on a second yellow / red for Sinisterra shortly after half time and from there to the end it was about holding on for a point. To be fair, Villa rarely threatened and I'm sure will feel disappointed at the way the game panned out. Villa appeared to be time wasting from early in the first half, with Martinez taking an age to kick the ball from his possession.

It was good to see Cooper back at the centre of the defence and he was a calming influence. Good also to see Ayling back and Bamford had a very good cameo appearance late on. With Sinisiterra now suspended, would like to see Gnonto given a run, as he looked very impressive - albeit a relatively short substitute appearance - for Italy against England.

Palace away this weekend and there is increasingly a need to accumulate points, as we are for the most part avoiding the 'Big Six' in our run of fixtures. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 21, 2022, 01:58:45 PM
The storm clouds are gathering. Phil Hay did a great article in the Athletic this morning in which he articulated what many of us have been dreading to say out loud, i.e. that we are not good enough and we are going to struggle to stay up.

Last night's performance was of the abject variety and wasn't helped by what appeared some strange decisions around the line up - Harrison and Cooper making way for Summerville and Llorente. Firpo also returned for the injured Striujk which was also a blow.

It seems to have been the case for ages now, and it certainly dates back to Bielsa's time, that we need a striker who will score goals. I really like Paddy Bamford, but he is not good enough at the primary function of a striker - putting the ball in the net. I read where in recent matches we have had 42 shots and only one goal.

We were unlucky against Arsenal I thought and deserved something from the game. I didn't see last night but by all accounts we were awful, and lack of goal threat was again a feature, whilst the left side of the defence (Firpo / Llorente) was targeted by Leicester, with a lot of success. The away fans were not best pleased and singing in praise of Bielsa could be heard.

We now have 2 points from our last 7 games. With Liverpool away coming up, the Fulham match on Sunday is increasingly looking like make or break for Marsch. A win is desperately needed and I'm not hopeful.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on October 21, 2022, 09:23:00 PM
Over those 7 matches Leeds have lost to Brighton (8), Brentford (10) and Crystal Palace (11)  Arsenal, top and Leicester who don't belong in the relegation zone. They got a point from Everton (15)
Previously, 4 points were won against fellow strugglers Southampton (14) and
Wolves (18) plus there was the freak win against Chelsea.

Unfortunately the Forest match was postponed. That would have been a gimme.

Leeds have to win matches against teams in the bottom half. Games to date are biased towards the top half.
Leeds are 7th most likely to be relegated per the bookies
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 23, 2022, 04:39:41 PM
It's very difficult to see Marsch surviving after today's result, which leaves Leeds in the bottom three after eight games without a win. He was a little unlucky in a couple of them, but the overall trends are dire and relegation looks odds on if the board does not intervene. While it is possible he was always out of his depth, the club's failure to bring in a striker and a left back in the transfer window effectively finished him off. There is plenty of time to turn the season around, but the next appointment will define Radrizzani's time as chairman.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 23, 2022, 04:39:41 PM
It's very difficult to see Marsch surviving after today's result, which leaves Leeds in the bottom three after eight games without a win. He was a little unlucky in a couple of them, but the overall trends are dire and relegation looks odds on if the board does not intervene. While it is possible he was always out of his depth, the club's failure to bring in a striker and a left back in the transfer window effectively finished him off. There is plenty of time to turn the season around, but the next appointment will define Radrizzani's time as chairman.

Phil Hay was suggesting that there are now concerns in the Board. However they have given Marsch the dreaded vote of confidence. The next five games are very tough, and include Liverpool, City, Newcastle and Spurs. I could see us struggling to get three points from that run, which would leave us in a very tight position by the start of 2023 and would undoubtedly invite further discussion about his future.

I'd have to say that things do not look good and there seems to nearly be an acceptance that this will end badly for the Club unless something changes. That change would surely be at the expense of Marsch.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: johnnycool on October 24, 2022, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 24, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 23, 2022, 04:39:41 PM
It's very difficult to see Marsch surviving after today's result, which leaves Leeds in the bottom three after eight games without a win. He was a little unlucky in a couple of them, but the overall trends are dire and relegation looks odds on if the board does not intervene. While it is possible he was always out of his depth, the club's failure to bring in a striker and a left back in the transfer window effectively finished him off. There is plenty of time to turn the season around, but the next appointment will define Radrizzani's time as chairman.

Phil Hay was suggesting that there are now concerns in the Board. However they have given Marsch the dreaded vote of confidence. The next five games are very tough, and include Liverpool, City, Newcastle and Spurs. I could see us struggling to get three points from that run, which would leave us in a very tight position by the start of 2023 and would undoubtedly invite further discussion about his future.

I'd have to say that things do not look good and there seems to nearly be an acceptance that this will end badly for the Club unless something changes. That change would surely be at the expense of Marsch.

He looked a beaten man in that last interview, not the usual over confident Marsh.

He might get to the international/world cup break but unless Liverpool keep up their generosity to teams at the bottom then he's gone.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 26, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
For a man so full of confidence, his body language in the last few games has been terrible. He looks lost, resigned, and defeated. Has he lived such a sheltered life that when adversity hits he loses all that sureness in himself. It just goes to show you how shallow it was.

Making 4 changes after Arsenal and 6 changes after Leicester shows panic in my mind.

He is not the biggest problem in Leeds however, if we don't find a scoring touch soon we are toast. Bamford missing big chances is far more to blame. He looks to have slowed dramatically since his last injury. It's very optimistic to think he will regain any sort of form.

We are in big trouble. It's a very bad sign of a team that plays up to better teams and down to lower teams. You see the pressure is on against lower teams and it's that inability to handle the pressure that shows itself in missing easy chances.

Against Fulham, on 30mins one from defense and one of their players was straight through on goal. Imagine leaving yourself that open with 30mins gone. Insane naive indisciplined positioning.

We probably need a new manager but more importantly, we need a striker. Some of the 4 options that passed us by in the transfer window aren't the right option. We just need a ruthless finisher.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:40:29 PM
RTÉ

"This will be Virgil van Djik's first PL loss at Anfield as a Red, which says something about the Pool over these last four years."

Whatever about the manager or strikers, that Leeds team has balls.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2022, 09:49:13 PM
Leeds will always drive us round the bend but yesterday was by any standards one of the good days. Marsch, in fairness to a manager under intense pressure, got everything right in terms of tactics, the starting XI and all his subs. While the first goal was a freak, we were due some luck and responded brilliantly to the Liverpool equaliser. The result might even have been wrapped up by half time if Aaronson (who was definitely pushed for what should have been a penalty) and Harrison had not missed great chances. Liverpool had plenty of shots but Meslier was in outstanding form. It was great to see Gnonto, aged 18, who starts for Italy but had not previously kicked a ball for Leeds, and Sommerville, aged 20, neither of them born when we last won at Anfield, combine for the winner. There are tough fixtures coming up, before and after the World Cup break, so we really need something from the Bournemouth game next Saturday, but the momentum is with us at the moment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 03, 2022, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2022, 09:49:13 PM
Leeds will always drive us round the bend but yesterday was by any standards one of the good days.

Correct. There are bad days - plenty of them - but there is always a hope that they are capable of a big performance to overturn the odds.

Quote from: seafoid on October 29, 2022, 09:40:29 PM
Whatever about the manager or strikers, that Leeds team has balls.

Yes, they stood up, that's for sure, and the manner in which the players celebrated with the manager at the end suggests absolute commitment and togetherness in support of Marsch. With such a positive attitude, there is always hope.

For all that it was such an excellent team performance, there are still weaknesses within the team and they do need addressed. Paddy again spurned a sitter - a miss that was borne from absolute lack of confidence. Cooper too give his all, but floundered on one occasion - a mistake reminiscent of a mistake made against Sheffield United in a pivotal Championship game back in 2019 - and was bailed out by Meslier.

Three points this weekend though, at home to Bournemouth, are still badly needed. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 04, 2022, 01:21:30 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/leeds-must-pay-rb-leipzig-184m-for-jean-kevin-augustin-after-losing-appeal-42118858.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 05, 2022, 10:44:23 PM
Leeds can't be good for the heart.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on November 05, 2022, 11:49:04 PM
Great game today and brilliant to see the young lads shine. I'd get Cresswell back from his loan at Millwall and fire him in too.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 06, 2022, 12:26:04 AM
Leeds were horrific in the first half and the boos seemed end of management stuff. Hard to believe they turned it around.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 07:40:30 AM
If Leeds can keep on winning against teams in the bottom half they should be grand. 15 points at this stage is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2022, 08:36:52 PM
It's becoming clear that Leeds are a side with some brilliant young talents who are fantastic going forward but cannot really defend properly. Until we are sorted out at the back, premiership survival will still be in some doubt. We need to find a left back who will allow Struijk to move back into the centre, and, while Adams has been developing well as a defensive midfielder, the overall structure has looked vulnerable all season. However, the players plainly believe in Marsch and their spirit is beyond question. Yesterday was another epic victory but it did come against one of the weakest teams in the division. There are some tough fixtures coming up on either side of the World Cup break, and, when we get them out of the way, a couple of boring one-nil wins would take us a long way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 07, 2022, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2022, 10:44:23 PM
Leeds can't be good for the heart.

Believe me, they're not and following them by constantly refreshing Phil Hay's Twitter feed is an excruciating way to spend two hours on a Saturday afternoon.

Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2022, 10:44:23 PM
Leeds were horrific in the first half and the boos seemed end of management stuff. Hard to believe they turned it around.

Amazing turnaround, and a lot has to do with the sense of togetherness and commitment between the players and the management. However there currently is a very fine line between triumph and disaster and it remains an accident waiting to happen. The weaknesses exposed by Bournemouth are not going to go away.

On the basis that the Wolves away game in the League Cup will not hold much importance, we have Spurs away next weekend before the World Cup. Thereafter, it is City at home and Newcastle away at Christmas.

The World Cup therefore is probably coming at a good time for us, but come New Year's Day, the likelihood of storm clouds will be much greater, with the start of a transfer window that will be hugely important in terms of addressing flaws that have been there for some considerable time.

It's never boring.  :-\   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2022, 04:43:44 PM
The rhythm of 15 points from 13 , if continued to the end of the season,  would result in a final total of 43, comfortably away from relegation worries.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 12, 2022, 09:55:05 PM
It may be a little hard for non-Leeds fans to understand how any side could go in front three times and still get nothing out of a game, but the bottom line is that our defence is not of premier league standard. The World Cup break gives us a chance to consider some options and the transfer window will be crucial. With the next two fixtures at home to Man City and away to Newcastle, we are likely to be going into 2023 uncomfortably close to the relegation positions.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 14, 2022, 11:39:54 AM
Managed to get a live feed on my phone from French TV (I think) and I'd have to say some of the football that Leeds played was brilliant. One touch possession game that saw us keep the ball for what seemed like ages and play through the Spurs midfield and defence. Ultimately though we were done by our Achilles heel, with the defence shipping two goals in as many minutes. The January transfer window is huge and there needs to be strengthening at left back. That would free Striujk to play in the centre. Both Cooper and Llorente are not at this standard. A striker would also be great to bring in but Summerville is playing brilliant stuff and scoring goals, whilst Rodrigo is playing like a Spanish international at the moment - long may it continue.

Incidentally, the decision of VAR not to ask the ref to review the challenge on Meslier for the first goal has almost universally been challenged by all pundits I have heard / read. I'm open to correction here, but I understand the VAR official was the same one who intervened in the home match against Arsenal to review Bamford's goal for a nudge on the defender. The official was Paul Tierney. Inconsistency is bad, but when it comes from one person and goes against you both times, it begs a lot of questions.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
Losing 4-3 to Spurs ain't too shabby. Leeds are not expected to be relegated.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

They probably won't repeat last season's escapades before Marsch took over.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 06, 2023, 08:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/06/leeds-united-sack-manager-jesse-marsch/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2023, 10:07:48 PM
Even if most Leeds fans are pleased to see Marsch go, he definitely deserves some sympathy as he was frequently unfortunate on some big occasions. However, a manager who appears to suffer from repeated bad luck will always be on borrowed time, and only four wins from his 20 league games this season, with none in the last seven, was relegation form. He had looked a haunted figure for a while, and it might have made more sense to let him go before the World Cup break and allow a new manager to enter the transfer market rather than work with Marsch's squad. The back to back matches against Man Utd this week do not tend to provide us with many points, so the next two fixtures, away to Everton and home to Southampton will be crucial.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 08, 2023, 08:25:31 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2023, 10:07:48 PM
Even if most Leeds fans are pleased to see Marsch go, he definitely deserves some sympathy as he was frequently unfortunate on some big occasions. However, a manager who appears to suffer from repeated bad luck will always be on borrowed time, and only four wins from his 20 league games this season, with none in the last seven, was relegation form. He had looked a haunted figure for a while, and it might have made more sense to let him go before the World Cup break and allow a new manager to enter the transfer market rather than work with Marsch's squad. The back to back matches against Man Utd this week do not tend to provide us with many points, so the next two fixtures, away to Everton and home to Southampton will be crucial.

Good summary, MR. I'm normally not one for joining the 'Get the Manager Out' lynch mob, but after Sunday, it seemed obvious there was a need for a change, which was a wee bit of a pity as he always come across as a very decent individual - one quality unfortunately that was of limited use in his predicament.

There have been various names bandied about. Postecoglu at Celtic apparently has been on the radar, but even if he was interested, having Kewell in his backroom team will be a major issue for the fans. Corboran was also getting mentioned, but West Brom moved quickly and signed him up to an extended contract, effectively ruling him out.

The front runners as of this morning appear to be Andoni Iraola of Rayo Vallecano and Arne Slot of Feyenoord, whose name seemed to be gathering momentum last night. The third - seen as a bit of an outsider of the three - is former River Plate coach, Marcelo Gallardo.

All three seem like good appointments, fingers crossed. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 09, 2023, 09:16:16 AM
A point last night that I'd have taken before the game, but having established a two goal lead, there is a sense of what might have been.

Could only see short periods of the match, but by all accounts there seemed to be better organisation about Leeds that made them more difficult to break down. That was underpinned by some outstanding individual performances - particularly Ayling, Meslier and Gnonto.

Sinisterra is likely to be out for a while and Striujk might be a doubt for Sunday, as he appeared to suffer concussion. Gnonto also received a fair few hits and went down at least once, so hopefully he will be available for the weekend when we'll be definitely up against it again. The Everton and Southampton games though loom large beyond that and the importance of them cannot be overstated. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2023, 10:04:06 PM
The two games coming up away to Everton and at home to Southampton in the space of a week are completely vital and will probably decide whether Leeds are capable of staying up. We basically have to win one of them, as matches between the sides at the bottom are always six pointers and we have a particularly tough run in to negotiate. Today largely summed up our season as a decent performance and a string of chances ended in another defeat. It looks as though Alfred Schreuder, an experienced coach with an unremarkable recent record, is going to be our new manager, although he was plainly not the first choice for the post. His main priority will need to be the attack, as, with Rodrigo injured, Bamford has been off the pace and Rutter, despite costing over £30m, has yet to convince. These are nervous times for all Leeds fans.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 13, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
Agreed MR with your assessment of yesterday's game. The difference between us and the top teams is the potency of our attack. Man United I felt would take at least one chance on offer, but I always felt our players would struggle, and so it proved. That match can be added to a long list of similar games where we haven't taken our chances and have been made to pay.

There is a need to have a managerial appointment in place as soon as possible and the fact that we are not likely to get our first (or second or event third) choice is not a good look at a time of critical importance. Reports suggested Andoni Iraola was very keen on Leeds but Rayo Vallacano were not prepared to authorise it. I know little of Alfred Schreuder, although feedback on Twitter would suggest his recent record is not without concerns.

We need to start picking up points and quickly, s whoever gets it will need to hit the ground running. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 13, 2023, 09:22:27 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/13/leeds-target-interim-manager-after-move-for-andoni-iraola-fails/

Foremost on that list is Iraola, but Leeds are close to accepting he cannot be prised away until June at the earliest. With the much-admired Marcelo Gallardo, who left River Plate last October, also unwilling to join a club during a campaign, Leeds have turned their attention to potential interim managers capable of rescuing the team from relegation.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 20, 2023, 04:23:33 PM
I didn't see the match on Saturday, but I've read enough to know that it was a poverty stricken performance. For the first time I'd have to say that I felt that we are likely to go down, and certainly will if the management situation is not addressed quickly. Football can be fickle. With a wee bit of luck, we could have got more than the point we did claim from the two matches against Manure and there would have been plenty of reason to be upbeat. The nature of Saturday's performance suggested that morale was rock bottom.

The only part of the game I did see was the Everton goal, which was an absolutely shocking error by Meslier. I read a lot about how poor Bamford was and I'd suggest time is running out for him. He has been awful and Harrison is not much better.

I think there are now gambles to be taken at the top. The first is an experienced manager and yes, I'd include Big Sam in that, given the desperation of the situation. I'd also hope that management give Rutter a fair crack at it - we need goals urgently and we're not getting them from what is there. Why not give the £35 million man a chance

I subscribe to the Athletic and follow Phil Hay, on there, and a recurring theme of his articles has been that the Board firmly believe that we have the players to stay up and that we just need the right manager in place to channel the collective effort. I'm afraid that they have more faith in the panel than I have. I fear for the future.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 20, 2023, 09:31:31 PM
It is difficult not to share the pessimism expressed by Rufus as the Leeds season rapidly implodes. Everton were little better than Leeds on Saturday, and a nil-nil looked almost certain until Meslier's terrible blunder. However, a team that is struggling at the back, ineffective in midfield and cannot score goals is only going in one direction. Bamford has completely lost his way but Rutter, on the basis of his appearances off the bench, does not yet look up to the pace of the premiership. It would of course only take one goal to start a recovery, and it would really need to come against Southampton this weekend. A new manager would also be a big help as the directors have made a shocking mess of filling the vacancy. They presumably felt they had a candidate lined up only for him to change his mind, probably over money, but it will need to be sorted out as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 10:47:28 PM
Surely Leeds will get a new manager bounce . 2 points out of the last 5 games is hardly going to be repeated .
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 20, 2023, 11:30:43 PM
I see Javi Gracia, former Watford and Valencia manager, is now the front runner in a two horse race with an as yet unknown competitor, although there are whispers it might be Rafa Benitez. A new man is needed urgently.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 21, 2023, 09:42:15 AM
The confirmed appointment of Gracia expected this morning.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2023, 10:44:55 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/02/21/leeds-to-appoint-javi-gracia-until-end-of-season/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 21, 2023, 11:23:45 PM
Interesting to see how he does. I used to cover La Liga for a website back when he was at Malaga. He done really well to keep them mid table at a time when the owner, Sheikh Abdullah ben Nasser Al Thani was basically pulling the plug on his investment and was selling anything that he could and replacing with frees. Fingers crossed he keeps us up
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 27, 2023, 10:12:53 AM
Huge result on Saturday, which moves us (just) out of the relegation zone. From reading reports, the match was low on quality, with Leeds dominating but being relatively ineffectual. There was an element of luck about the goal, with Bazunu (sp?) appearing to be unsighted for Firpo's relatively tame shot. Nevertheless, a very important three points.

Gracia very upbeat after the game - reckoned he'd less than a day with the team and feels they will improve as he gets to put his style of play into action. Reading Phil Hay, he's a pragmatic manager who will do what it takes to meet the needs of the team. Seems to be effective at reading a game too and does not hang back in terms of making quick decisions if things are not going to plan, e.g. Gnonto getting subbed with half an hour to go.

Fulham up next, tomorrow night, in the Cup. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 07, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
The last two matches have shown that Gracia is already putting his imprint on the team and has made Leeds a more difficult side to break down. At Fulham, in the Cup, we dominated but were undone by two brilliant individual strikes. The Chelsea game we were under a lot more pressure but were undone by a set piece goal.

The main issue in both games though was our inability to take our chances and it could become a fatal flaw. Rodrigo is out injured, although is due back in late March. Bamford missed the Chelsea game but in truth has been playing terribly, with no confidence at all. Rutter is getting game time, and whilst showing some nice touches, is very much finding his feet. He was unlucky to see a brilliant header come back off the post against Fulham. Harrison is currently having an absolute mare, and it makes the decision to keep him in the last transfer window, when Leicester were keen on a last minute purchase, look like a bad piece of business. It increasingly looks as though Gracia will have to trust to the youth in the squad.

Brighton up next, and right now, hoping for a point would look to be optimistic in the extreme. These are worrying times.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 23, 2023, 09:47:55 PM
According to this website the Leeds player portfolio is worth £318 m. Premiership cash.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/leeds-united/startseite/verein/399
Some change from the year they were promoted.
The team is unrecognisable from the one that won the championship
Leeds United vs Cardiff (4-4-1-1): Meslier 5; Ayling 6 (Alioski, 62), White 6, Cooper 5, Dallas 6; Harrison 6, Phillips 5 (Alioski,), Klich 6 (Gotts, 84), Helder Costa 6 (Poveda, 77); Roberts 5; Bamford 4
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 30, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64985188

Leeds United (14th, 26pts)


Jesse Marsch was sacked as manager in February with the club on a seven-game winless run but Javi Gracia has made an encouraging start with wins over Southampton and Wolves as well as a draw with Brighton in three of his first four league games in charge.

Still to play: 1 Apr Arsenal (a), 4 Apr Nottingham Forest (h), 9 Apr Crystal Palace (h), 17 Apr Liverpool (h), 22 Apr Fulham (a), 25 Apr Leicester (h), 30 Apr Bournemouth (a), 7 May Manchester City (a), 13 May Newcastle (h), 20 May West Ham (a), 28 May Tottenham (h)

Gracenote fact: Leeds United are the only one of the relegation candidates to have won two of their past four matches. Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Bournemouth and Southampton have each won one of their past four. The other three teams fighting to avoid going down have all failed to win in their past four games.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on March 31, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
What are the thoughts on playing Arsenal tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 01, 2023, 02:48:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
What are the thoughts on playing Arsenal tomorrow?
I think this has to be considered in the context of West Ham v Southampton, Forest v Wolves, and Everton v Spurs
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 01, 2023, 10:19:10 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
What are the thoughts on playing Arsenal tomorrow?

It's going to be a long afternoon, I fear. This of course would be a tough fixture to start with but we're now heading to the Emirates without what many supporters consider to be our best three players this season, so far - Adams, Wober and Gnonto. In light of that, I hope they approach it with a nothing to lose attitude and see what happens. Often, when it's least expected, Leeds can pull a performance - and a result - from nowhere. Liverpool and Man United away are two cases in point. The need to stay up though is huge, and it will not depend on fixtures such as today.

In the longer term, Adams is out for the rest of the season, so it is likely that Roca and McKennie will be paired in midfield. Wober and Gnonto are considered short term injuries and should hopefully be back by Easter.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 07, 2023, 08:36:41 AM
The mauling at Arsenal was probably to be expected and whilst it was sobering, the reality is that those are not the fixtures that matter. The one that did - Forest at home on Tuesday - resulted in a huge win. Reading reports, Leeds never seemed to panic after falling behind to an early goal and went on to dominate the game and probably should have won by more. Lot of praise for Roca who was man of the match for many and for Striujk, playing in his preferred position in the centre of the defence. However many raved about Harrison's performance, and in only a matter of weeks (under Gracia) he has turned his own form on its head and is scoring goals and providing assists. Indeed he has jus signed a new contract taking him to 2028.

The three points moved us from 18th to 13th but we are still only two points above the relegation zone. The match on Sunday, at home to Palace, is another huge fixture. Win that, go on to 32 points and we could feel as if we are in touching distance of safety. The pity in all of his is the loss of Adams, although Roca is stepping up, and Wober who remains unavailable. Gnonto was named on the bench but did not see game time, so hopefully the extra few days will see him available if needed. 

And mention of course of Gracia - lot of praise coming his way, having won three out of the first six. Less rigid than his predecessor in terms of tactics and prepared to adapt to meet different challenges. He keeps Leeds up and he will almost certainly be rewarded with a well deserved contract.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 07, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
If you just look at recent form it is unlikely that Leeds will go down.

Arsenal have 5 wins /5
Top 4 is 3/5
Down as far as Leeds  is 2/5
1/5 is as far as Everton

The danger zone is 0/5.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/premier-league/table
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
If you just look at recent form it is unlikely that Leeds will go down.

No self respecting Leeds fan will consider such arguments. There are simply too many scars from over the years to feel anything but dread.

The most recent game was a classic of the type. Following a morale boosting and vital win against fellow strugglers Nottingham Forest, there were definite grounds for some optimism as we hosted another fellow struggler, Crystal Palace. A win seemed eminently achievable and the script was going according to hope after 30 minutes, leading 1-0, forcing the pace and pressing their keeper into a series of excellent saves. From the half hour mark on, Palace came more into the game and looked threatening from every set piece. The equaliser eventually arrived just before half time from another set piece. The second half was a disaster zone, with old wounds and nightmares opened up of the second leg play off defeat to Derby back in 2019, as the team simply capitulated.

The next game is home to Liverpool on Monday, and the fear from a Leeds point of view is that there is psychological damage which will serve to increase the sense of fragility. Right now, the only comfort is to be taken from the poor form of others and the hope that at the end of this all, there are three worse teams than Leeds. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2023, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
If you just look at recent form it is unlikely that Leeds will go down.

No self respecting Leeds fan will consider such arguments. There are simply too many scars from over the years to feel anything but dread.

The most recent game was a classic of the type. Following a morale boosting and vital win against fellow strugglers Nottingham Forest, there were definite grounds for some optimism as we hosted another fellow struggler, Crystal Palace. A win seemed eminently achievable and the script was going according to hope after 30 minutes, leading 1-0, forcing the pace and pressing their keeper into a series of excellent saves. From the half hour mark on, Palace came more into the game and looked threatening from every set piece. The equaliser eventually arrived just before half time from another set piece. The second half was a disaster zone, with old wounds and nightmares opened up of the second leg play off defeat to Derby back in 2019, as the team simply capitulated.

The next game is home to Liverpool on Monday, and the fear from a Leeds point of view is that there is psychological damage which will serve to increase the sense of fragility. Right now, the only comfort is to be taken from the poor form of others and the hope that at the end of this all, there are three worse teams than Leeds.
There are. Leeds are playing 2 of them.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/leeds-united
That's 6 points. I think Leeds need 3 more.
There is probably a word in German for the outlook of Leeds fans. It would be something like Aprilfootballhopelessness but this season there are some really crap teams.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 18, 2023, 09:10:17 AM
Yet another mauling last night, with the gulf in class between the two teams laid bare for all to see. Furthermore, there is a real fear now that there is real psychological damage being inflicted, given how the team seems to throw in the towel when things start to go wrong. In a relegation battle, such traits will be fatal.

The absence of both Adams and Wober have been huge and there are poor performances springing up everywhere which is beginning to take others down, with the collective effort spiralling downwards and out of control. How this is arrested, I don't know, but time is not on management's side, with three huge games coming up.

One thing that recent form has shown me is how out of touch with reality the board were in believing that the purchases they have made were going to have us being comfortable at this level. There have been a range of terrible investments and I honestly link the overall strategy back to our first season in the top flight when Bielsa 'magic-ed' a group of Championship players into a Top Ten finish, and which gave the Board a false sense of security. They got away with it last year, but you can only dodge so many bullets before you get hit.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2023, 11:43:58 AM
And so the season limps on. Although the defence was a lot tighter at Fulham, still beaten comfortably with another insipid performance, where Leeds scored thanks to an OG following a goalmouth scramble, but already had been undone thanks to two bad errors by Meslier.

That left last night's home match against Leicester with the feeling of a must win game. Took the lead in the first half thanks to an excellent finish by Sinisterra, following good work by Harrison. However, fell away badly in the second half and were undone by a quick counter and cool Vardy finish. We were lucky not to go behind when Leicester (and Vardy) butchered a two on one (with a goal correctly ruled out for off side) and should have snatched the game at the death, when Roca's point blank header was kept out by the keeper (somehow) and then Paddy missed the mother of all open goals in the dying moments.

We move on now to Bournemouth away - probably now the last chance saloon, with a win needed. The absence of Wober was major last night. Meslier was lucky to retain his place in the side but responded with a very good performance. Midfield got overrun in the second half and Gracia is coming under serious criticism for his lack of response in terms of reinforcements, with only Aaronson coming off the bench.

The reality is that the team and players are not good enough at this level, which is very much on the Board and Victor Orta in particular. Although he did not play badly overall, never was the lack of quality more encapsulated by Bamford's miss, which undoubtedly cost two points that could so easily matter in four weeks time.

Those in the know seem to suggest 35/36 points will be enough to stay up but I'm struggling to see Leeds getting there. For me, staying up is likely to depend on three other sides performing abysmally between now and the end of the season, and Leeds somehow getting 3/ 4 points to scrape survival. It ain't a good look out. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Leeds have to beat Bournemouth and Tottenham may be generous.
None of the other laggards have an easy run in
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 27, 2023, 09:18:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Leeds have to beat Bournemouth and Tottenham may be generous.
None of the other laggards have an easy run in

Events overnight have served to underline your point, with Forest beating Brighton, bringing them up to 30 points. They still have to play Southampton. My guess would be that Leeds need 5 / 6 points and I simply cannot see where they are coming from. Sunday though (at Bournemouth) has all the hallmarks of a must win game. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 27, 2023, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 27, 2023, 09:18:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Leeds have to beat Bournemouth and Tottenham may be generous.
None of the other laggards have an easy run in

Events overnight have served to underline your point, with Forest beating Brighton, bringing them up to 30 points. They still have to play Southampton. My guess would be that Leeds need 5 / 6 points and I simply cannot see where they are coming from. Sunday though (at Bournemouth) has all the hallmarks of a must win game.
They have to beat Bournemouth. 2 points separate 16th and 19th
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2023, 10:08:01 AM
I'm afraid that yesterday all but confirmed our relegation, despite the bizarre fact that at the time of writing we are still sixteenth. How that is still the case is simply a reflection of the desperate overall standard at the bottom, but there are too many teams in the bottom five playing against each other for us to remain above the safety line for much longer.

The rapid deterioration in terms of the standards of performances has been at a dizzying speed. Up until just before half time in the Palace game, they were was no need to be particularly alarmed. However it has caved in catastrophically since then and it really begs the question what the hell happened at half time in that game - with allegations of a dressing room bust up - and indeed how have the squad become so mentally fragile since.

How did it all come to this? I've said it here before. The genius of Bielsa, getting a Championship side to ninth in the Premier League, created a false sense of security and that has been reflected in the recruitment strategy since, which emphasised the need to get young talent in for the future, when the actual need was the here and now. Never has such an awful strategy been summed up by the presence (or absence if you like) of one player than Georginio Rutter. A record signing who is getting little game time despite the dire need the Club is in. Desperate.

Phil Hay - as always - summed it up in a brilliant article in the Athletic, (which is unfortunately behind a pay wall) when he said,

"Bournemouth attacked sporadically and bagged four goals, a masterclass of football in third gear, of getting there without being forced to sweat buckets. Nobody is interested in the nuance beyond those points because scores on the board are all that carry any currency in these circumstances, and maybe that is the biggest lesson the past two Premier League campaigns have taught Leeds: the long game is no game at all unless results stay at a level that keeps the peace. Anything less and the long term plans - Gnonto, Rutter, aims beyond the immediate horizon - are more likely to benefit someone else."

I actually feel strangely stress free now about the whole thing. They're going down and they deserve to go down. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 05:06:56 PM
The 4 other teams in danger of relegation are crap.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Thanks but no thanks

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/01/leeds-consider-sacking-javi-gracia-and-hiring-third-manager-of-season/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2023, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 05:06:56 PM
The 4 other teams in danger of relegation are crap.

Maybe so, seafoid, but what they do appear to have is a wee bit of heart and determination alongside a bit of organisation. Hand on heart, after recent 6-1, 5-1 and 4-1 thumpings, I'm not sure Leeds have. 


Quote from: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Thanks but no thanks

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/01/leeds-consider-sacking-javi-gracia-and-hiring-third-manager-of-season/

In the words of the Undertones, It's Going To Happen. Big Sam ( :o) looks to be odds on favourite to come in for the last four games of the season. As Phil Hay described it, a Hail Mary option. It's not likely to be the only move either. Director of Football, Victor Orta - who many will see as the reason for the malaise - also looks like he will be packing his bags.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 02, 2023, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2023, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 05:06:56 PM
The 4 other teams in danger of relegation are crap.

Maybe so, seafoid, but what they do appear to have is a wee bit of heart and determination alongside a bit of organisation. Hand on heart, after recent 6-1, 5-1 and 4-1 thumpings, I'm not sure Leeds have. 


Quote from: seafoid on May 01, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Thanks but no thanks

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/01/leeds-consider-sacking-javi-gracia-and-hiring-third-manager-of-season/

In the words of the Undertones, It's Going To Happen. Big Sam ( :o) looks to be odds on favourite to come in for the last four games of the season. As Phil Hay described it, a Hail Mary option. It's not likely to be the only move either. Director of Football, Victor Orta - who many will see as the reason for the malaise - also looks like he will be packing his bags.
Latest odds have Everton and Forest at 4/7 with Leeds at 10/11.
Obviously if either of the 2 win a match the odds change.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2023, 03:00:27 PM
Latest odds have Everton and Forest at 4/7 with Leeds at 10/11.
Obviously if either of the 2 win a match the odds change.

Really? That genuinely shocks me!

Everton have Bournemouth home on the last day. Forest have Southampton home before that. I'd be working on the assumption that Leeds would need at a very bare minimum three points to stay up - and more likely four or five - and I just cannot see where they can win. But, hope springs eternal!  :)

One thing's for sure - someone is likely to survive with a low points total.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 02, 2023, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 02, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2023, 03:00:27 PM
Latest odds have Everton and Forest at 4/7 with Leeds at 10/11.
Obviously if either of the 2 win a match the odds change.

Really? That genuinely shocks me!

Everton have Bournemouth home on the last day. Forest have Southampton home before that. I'd be working on the assumption that Leeds would need at a very bare minimum three points to stay up - and more likely four or five - and I just cannot see where they can win. But, hope springs eternal!  :)

One thing's for sure - someone is likely to survive with a low points total.
Bournemouth are no longer a sure thing. They will beat Everton.
Meanwhile
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65453934
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 03, 2023, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2023, 07:02:43 PM
Bournemouth are no longer a sure thing. They will beat Everton.
Meanwhile
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65453934

This apparently is the final straw that broke the back in terms of Orta's tenure. Orta would be a bit of an idealist and wants football played 'the right way'. Big Sam actually put his own name forward for the job in February and apparently Orta was very energetic in dismissing it when it was discussed, threatening to resign if he was brought in. He went for Gracia and Gracia is now regarded as his man. The majority of the Board now recognise that Gracia is a busted flush, with 0% chance of keeping Leeds up and that some change was needed to increase that 0% to something marginally bigger. Apparently Orta was adamant that Gracia should stay and was dead against Allardyce. That is what ultimately led to the parting of the ways yesterday.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 03, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/03/sam-allardyce-handed-reins-for-leeds-run-in-following-javi-gracia-departure/

Former Republic of Ireland striker Robbie Keane is expected to join new Leeds manager Sam Allardyce's backroom team as the club vies for Premier League survival.

Keane, a former Leeds player, has previously held coaching roles with the Republic of Ireland and Middlesborough.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65460670
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 05, 2023, 05:07:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROO67aQKxs

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65493902
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 06, 2023, 02:14:26 PM
The reality will be that Leeds get defeated this afternoon. What Leeds' fans will be looking for is evidence of an improved attitude and approach, where Leeds become more difficult to break down and are a bit more resilient when they concede. Such signs would give hope for the last three fixtures which in reality are what Leeds should be targeting.

My fear here is an absolutely crushing defeat which devastates the goal difference and essentially means a dropped point. In such a scenario, there might be no way back, particularly of Forest - as they should - beat Southampton at the City Ground.

Fingers (and toes) tightly crossed.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: An Watcher on May 07, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Didn't see thus but a 2-1 away defeat to the champions isn't bad.  Goal difference not really affected and not a morale sapping hammering
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2023, 08:21:22 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 07, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Didn't see thus but a 2-1 away defeat to the champions isn't bad.  Goal difference not really affected and not a morale sapping hammering

Exactly. A morale boosting performance, with a lot of heart displayed, particularly when City went two up in the first half. Indeed the manner in which the squad gathered in the middle of the pitch at the final whistle, and then walked to the supporters, applauding, which I'm glad to say was reciprocated, gives hope for the last three games. A further week with Big Sam before the Newcastle game should help to improve the mood and hopefully defensive resilience, but the reality is that Newcastle still represents a huge challenge in footballing terms. 

A massive day for Leeds this afternoon and this evening. Victories for Fulham at home to Leicester, Brighton at home to Everton and Southampton away to Forest, are needed big time. The reality though is that Leeds will almost definitely be in the bottom three tonight which confirms the need for three points at the very least from the remaining three fixtures, to survive.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 08, 2023, 12:22:49 PM
I think the fixes that Allardyce has imposed mean that Leeds are less likely to play like a trapdoor team. None of the other condemned have changed style for the run in. This may be important.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 08, 2023, 10:02:53 PM
Wins for Forest and Everton
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 09, 2023, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2023, 10:02:53 PM
Wins for Forest and Everton

And both huge victories. A real sense now that the walls are closing in. Forest was always likely to happen, but the fact that Everton went to Brighton and won 5-1 was a shock. The pressure is now on Leeds to take at least four points - which obviously includes a win - and even then it is likely to not be enough. Leeds really have to try and match Everton and beat Newcastle at home this weekend. A very tough ask.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 02:51:54 PM
A draw against Newcastle is impressive
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/65430059
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hound on May 13, 2023, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 02:51:54 PM
A draw against Newcastle is impressive
https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/65430059
Two points dropped. If Bamford had scored his peno, it most likely would have been 2-0 at half time and Leeds strong favs. But at least they showed a bit of fight to ensure it was just 2, and not 3, points dropped
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:45:19 PM
A match they didn't expect anything from. Spurs are in free fall so the last match should deliver 3.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
Bookie pricing is crazy
Everton are 1 point ahead of Leeds who are 18th.
Everton are being hammered by Man City and are priced at 3/1 while Leeds are priced at 1/4 to be relegated.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/16/former-leeds-boss-marcelo-bielsa-named-head-coach-of-uruguay/
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 17, 2023, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
Bookie pricing is crazy
Everton are 1 point ahead of Leeds who are 18th.
Everton are being hammered by Man City and are priced at 3/1 while Leeds are priced at 1/4 to be relegated.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/16/former-leeds-boss-marcelo-bielsa-named-head-coach-of-uruguay/

I'm no expert on punting, but I can see logic in it. On paper, Everton's last two games are eminently winnable - Wolves away and Bournemouth at home. Before the City game, they gave a very impressive display away to Brighton and the bottom line is that they are now, at this moment, in a position of safety. That puts the onus on Leeds to get something from their games.

My hope is that four points will get us to where we need to be. My fear is that it will take two wins to get us safe, which might be too much of an ask. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 10:36:46 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 17, 2023, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
Bookie pricing is crazy
Everton are 1 point ahead of Leeds who are 18th.
Everton are being hammered by Man City and are priced at 3/1 while Leeds are priced at 1/4 to be relegated.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/05/16/former-leeds-boss-marcelo-bielsa-named-head-coach-of-uruguay/

I'm no expert on punting, but I can see logic in it. On paper, Everton's last two games are eminently winnable - Wolves away and Bournemouth at home. Before the City game, they gave a very impressive display away to Brighton and the bottom line is that they are now, at this moment, in a position of safety. That puts the onus on Leeds to get something from their games.

My hope is that four points will get us to where we need to be. My fear is that it will take two wins to get us safe, which might be too much of an ask.
The betting model is that bottom 3 are odds on. Everton were odds on until that important win. On 5 May Everton were 4/6. 4 days later they were 9/4.

Where there is 1 point between Leeds at 2/5 and Everton at 3/1 the model doesn't make sense.
A 1 point advantage isn't a big enough buffer to justify the assurance given by 3/1.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 01:49:53 PM
Leeds 1 up v West Am. Rodrigo
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: RedHand88 on May 21, 2023, 01:53:25 PM
Holy crap Everton might actually be relegated this time.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 02:00:23 PM
It's down to 1 from those 2
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 02:06:40 PM
1-1 now
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 03:18:43 PM
2-1 West am with 10 mins left
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 03:40:57 PM
3-1
Suboptimal
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 22, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 03:40:57 PM
3-1
Suboptimal

;D  Suboptimal - I like that.

Not really an awful lot to be said. Poverty stricken performance against a side whose minds were elsewhere. Big Sam in his post match press conference basically alluded to a squad with many flaws.

Someone put up on Twitter that since Bielsa was sacked in February of last year, Leeds have won eleven league matches - absolutely damning stuff and ultimately the responsibility rests with the Board and Orta and Raddrizzani in particular.   

It's unbelievable that with 31 points from 37 games, Leeds go into the last game of the season with a long shot of staying up. It's been death by a thousand cuts. And to be honest, we don't deserve to stay up. I've been resigned to our fate for a couple of months now, so the pressure is off!   8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 22, 2023, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 21, 2023, 01:53:25 PM
Holy crap Everton might actually be relegated this time.

Very unlikely now. They live to fight again.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on May 28, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
Relegation to the Championship was finally confirmed for Leeds United today and it has to be said it was completely deserved.

Those last 10 matches or so are when teams and players have to stand up and be counted so to take 2 points from the last 9 games was a capitulation.

The entire season has been a disaster right from the hierarchy to the majority of the players.

The first thing that needs to be sorted this summer is the ownership. It's either Radrizzani staying or selling to the 49ers in full but the status quo is not good enough.

Once that's sorted the managerial side of things needs to be resolved but I think more than that, some kind of structure needs to be in place to allow the club to make a mid to long term plan as unless you have billions in the bank at that level, you need a very clear structure off the pitch to grow. Brighton and Brentford are fine examples of this.

While relegation hurts, we're definitely going down in a better place than our last top flight relegation. Players will leave but a lot are very sellable assets and I fully expect around £100m in transfer fees to come in over the next few months and we have invested in a lot of young players who have been flourishing with the Premier League 2 team so hopefully a few of them can step in at Championship level and contribute there.

The most important thing is the club put in a platform to ensure that this drop stops here and we start the journey back upwards as soon as possible.

There has always been massive potential with a club like Leeds but this season has been a disaster right through.

The journey back has to start tomorrow, right at the very top of the club. As soon as they sort things out the club can start to work its way back towards the top flight and as always the Leeds fans will be there like they always were despite all the nonsense endured over those years.

Marching on Together
🟡⚪🔵
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 30, 2023, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on May 28, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
Relegation to the Championship was finally confirmed for Leeds United today and it has to be said it was completely deserved.....

.....Marching on Together
🟡⚪🔵

Great post and more or less covered everything very succinctly.

Not a lot to add. Went out with a whimper, as was somehow appropriate at the end of what was a terrible season. There are a vast range of key moments that can be considered in terms of where it all went wrong - many supporters will argue that the victory at Liverpool was what sealed our fate, as it kept Marsch in charge for another few months - others will argue that getting rid of him was what cost Leeds in the end. The best line I've seen is that over the last eighteen months, the Board took too long to make the wrong decisions.

Definitely moving into the unknown now, but key of course is the ownership, with most Leeds' fans hoping for a full takeover from the 49ers. That of course will depend on Radrizzani's willingness to sell, which in turn is dependent on what happens with his takeover of Sampdoria. His latest bid was turned down yesterday by Sampdoria's current owners, which led to protests on the streets of Genoa. So still a very fluid situation.

If the ownership situation can be resolved, and in favour of the Yanks, then there is reason to feel optimistic in the medium to longer term, as the resources available, along with what should be a very professional set up, should mean that fully supported, sane decisions, are made that will give supporters hope.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 05:09:05 PM
Leeds United is an attractive target with an attaching metropolis.  It really should be in the top division. I think that choosing Marsch was Leeds' Aughrim.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2023, 08:10:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 05:09:05 PM
Leeds United is an attractive target with an attaching metropolis.  It really should be in the top division.

Yes, and it's why the 49ers have been hooked. They see the potential. They own 44% but now want a full takeover, with one of the conditions being that Radrizzani leaves the building.

News overnight from Italy is that Radrizzani's bid for Sampdoria has now been accepted. He made a triumphant statement following that process, but the statement made no mention of Leeds. The hope is that his acquisition will now prompt the sale of Leeds to the Yanks.

Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 05:09:05 PM
I think that choosing Marsch was Leeds' Aughrim.

Many Leeds' supporters would agree with you.

There are so many 'sliding doors' moments over the last two years. Leeds finished the 2020/21 season absolutely on fire and the opportunity was there to build on a fantastic first season in the Premier League. However that opportunity was spurned, not least by the transfer activity over the Summer of 2021 and it has subsequently spiralled out of control, leading to a litany of poor decisions. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 01, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
And so the whole issue gets curioser and curioser.

Overnight, Rarizzani made a public statement of apology to the supporters - an apology written on his company's headed paper - and written in such a manner that gave a strong sense that he is here to stay. It was his first statement concerning Leeds, since relegation on Sunday.

Late yesterday, the Athletic discovered that Radrizzani had offered to use Elland Road as security for a £26 million bank loan, to be used to complete the takeover of Sampdoria. It would appear that leading Board members Angus Kinnear (CEO) and Paraag Marathe (Vice Chair and 49ers representative) were totally blindsided by this move when it was put to them by the Athletic and Radrizzani reacted angrily when asked for comment, accusing the Athletic of looking to turn the fans against him. 

The move has all the hallmarks of his predecessor Cellino, but more importantly is serving to cause great uncertainty at a time when certainty is needed.     
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2023, 10:50:01 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/06/15/rickie-fowler-hopes-to-invest-in-leeds-united-with-jordan-spieth-and-justin-thomas/

Rickie Fowler has revealed he is one of three top US golfers looking to invest in Leeds as part of the imminent takeover by 49ers Enterprises.

The American investment group are set to take charge of the club after agreeing a deal to buy out chairman Andrea Radrizzani's controlling stake.

Fowler, along with Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas, all of whom have been converted to the Elland Road cause by Matt Fitzpatrick's Leeds-supporting caddie Billy Foster, is confident of being part of the deal.

Fowler told Sky Sports News: "There's the group that's moving forward with being involved with Leeds – myself, JT [Justin Thomas] and Jordan [Spieth], so potentially we'll be a part of it.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 12, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Leeds fans are pretty well used to upheaval and disaster but it usually happens a few months into a new season. This time around, we are in a full blown crisis after two championship games and supporters are already suggesting that a second successive relegation is fully possible. Coming from two behind to get a draw at home to a limited Cardiff side was not a disaster and there was probably something inevitable about the 90th minute penalty which did for us at Birmingham today. However, the combination of losing so many squad members who were contractually entitled to loans after dropping out of the premiership, a horrendous injury list and then two forwards disgracefully insisting that they were unavailable for selection unless granted transfers, probably at knockdown prices, has left the new coach Farke in a horrendous position. Gnonto, given a five year contract at 18, managed two goals in 25 appearances last year, and thinks he has been hard done by. Sinisterra, who cost £20m before scoring five in 20 matches during an injury hit season, is in the same boat. There would be a strong case for sending them to the reserves until their contracts are up, but, in modern football, they will probably get their moves shortly. The new owners, the SF 49ers, are in serious danger of seeing their investment implode in record time, and it may be too late to get the cheque book out. However, this is Leeds so perhaps we will beat West Brom live on Sky on Friday night.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 16, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 12, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Leeds fans are pretty well used to upheaval and disaster but it usually happens a few months into a new season. This time around, we are in a full blown crisis after two championship games......

Great summation. The hope would have been that with a lot of Premier League standard players and parachute payments, and an excellent manager in place, it would have been possible to make a serious challenge to bounce back at the first time of asking. Unbelievably though, after just two matches, many would settle for retention of our place in the Championship. Thoughts now that this could be at least a two year project to return to the Premier League. To be fair to Farke, he has flagged this up, and underlined several times that we were in for bumpy times.

I'd have to say the previous Board - and in particular Orta - have a lot to answer for. Their recruitment was absolutely terrible and relegation meant that the Club was very vulnerable to what is now happening, with many players leaving. The situation was not helped in anyway by the change of ownership, which was a very long process, as the EFL had to go through a very long process of establishing that the new owners were fit and proper, and as a consequence we could not operate effectively in the transfer market.

Time is now of the absolute essence to get reinforcements in - a centre forward, midfielder, a number ten and a left back are the priorities. But with FFP, there is a need to generate funds to get new players in, and the outgoings situation remains very fluid. It's likely to be September 1st before we know for sure who and what we have in terms of playing staff.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 12, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
However, this is Leeds so perhaps we will beat West Brom live on Sky on Friday night.

Friday night, live, at home to West Brom, will bring back memories of happier times when we destroyed West Brom 4-0 in a Friday Night live game,  after Pablo scored a first minute goal, in our promotion season. Let's hope that's an omen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2023, 04:22:08 PM
Leeds are 3-2 up just after HT at Ipswich.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 27, 2023, 04:25:49 PM
It was an amazing game at Ipswich who had started with three wins on the bounce, and may well have been the best Leeds performance since Bielsa left. Farke could easily have sold or suspended Gnonto and Sinisterra so getting them to apologise and then reinstating them was a masterstroke. He has also managed to dramatically improve Rutter and make a key purchase in Piroe, and seeing all four of them score was quite an achievement. However, there's no doubt that more recruits are urgently needed at the back after a series of blunders yesterday. There's also a danger that a late bid could come in for Sinisterra so it's looking like another white knuckle ride for Leeds fans - in other words, business as usual.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 29, 2023, 02:23:32 PM
The win at Ipswich - who were unbeaten at Portman Road since last Autumn - was our first league win since April and incredibly only our twelfth league win since Bielsa was sacked 18 months ago. The nature of what has been happening was never better illustrated than the changes to the starting eleven from the West Brom game, which saw Sinisterra and Gnonto back in the fold and Piroe starting, after his transfer from Swansea. Suddenly things are looking up again, with an attacking line up that must be as good as any in the Championship.

On the flip side, we shipped three goals - one an OG, a second an intercepted back pass and the third a deflection, so there are areas that need strengthening.

There are an absolute maze of transfer stories on going, and the situation remains fluid. It appears we have missed out on the chance to get Nadiem Amiri. The player was in Leeds yesterday, but rumours suggesting the player wanted a sell on clause if we were still in the Championship next season. Farke has made it clear that such contracts will not be approved, going forward.

The move for Genk's Joe Paintsil also looks like running aground, with issues around loyalty payments for Paintsil, from Genk, if he leaves, being the issue.

Leeds currently after Glen Kamara from Rangers and Lewis O'Brien from Forest.

As for defenders, being linked with Luke Thomas of Leicester, and at the time of writing, a loan deal for Djed Spence looks almost done, which would be a great acquisition. Whole thing going down to the wire!!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 23, 2023, 07:47:36 PM
Something is stirring at Elland Road. Today's 3-0 win over Watford was our sixth game without defeat and our fourth clean sheet in a row. The defence has improved beyond recognition, we have a very effective midfield and the goals are flying in up front. We remain eight points from an automatic promotion place, which is a big gap, and we still have a significant injury list, but Farke is doing an outstanding job as manager. Getting Piroe in as the first reliable striker we have recruited in many seasons was a masterstroke, and, if he stays fit, we are capable of pushing on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2023, 09:00:09 PM
5th is very impressive given the slow start.
It's all about sure and unambiguous momentum.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on October 01, 2023, 12:40:50 PM
Another loss . 8 points off 2nd and 3 off 6th. They need more consistency to drive momentum.
It looks like the 3 promoted last season are going to be relegated.
Leeds need to have the momentum to go straight up and stay up .
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 07, 2023, 08:34:34 AM
The Championship really is a very long season, so although we are some way off the automatic promotion spots, there is still plenty of time to go on a run and aim for the top two, although Leicester look - even this early - guaranteed to bag one of the automatic promotion spots, such is their form.

A very god run since the end of the transfer window had seen Leeds climb the table but the good run came to a shuddering halt away to Southampton last Saturday, when a very lethargic performance was punished by some very good Southampton finishing. A bounce back was needed and we won 1-0 at home to QPR on Wednesday although maybe made harder work of it than required.

Bristol City at home this afternoon and another three points needed, and based on current form, should be achieved, although Leeds can never take any opposition for granted. A win today would leave Leeds well placed going into the international break and the hope would be that we can start getting players back from injury thereafter. Djed Spence and Gnonto are two that we really could be doing with.

Lastly, a shout out to Rutter who at long last is beginning to show real quality and provide evidence of why we shelled out close to £30 million for him.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on October 28, 2023, 01:38:45 PM
Leeds giving Huddersfield a hammering.

Birmingham look set for a 3rd under Rooney. What were they at sacking John Eustace. They were in the play offs and now sliding down the League
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 05, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
The win at Leicester was a massive result and a brilliant performance against top class opposition. It indicates that Leeds are perfectly capable of staying in the promotion shake up to the very end. The top two, Leicester and Ipswich, still have a significant points advantage but Leeds have now won away against both of them which sends out a strong message. We are looking solid at the back, at long last, and clean sheets will be crucial in a long and draining championship season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 04:10:29 PM
Second and is it 8 wins in a row now ? Not too shabby
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 17, 2024, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 04:10:29 PMSecond and is it 8 wins in a row now ? Not too shabby

Saints still have a game in hand but we're going well. That was a tough game today. I'm not sorry to see the last of Plymouth for this year. 4 tight games.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 24, 2024, 10:17:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt4n1C7QfB4