East wall #Irelandisfull

[JoG2]

I don't know if posters on here are genuinely stupid or just pretending to be stupid in order to score points, BUT the complaints about hospital waiting times/shortages of GPS etc, is not that the recent arrivals are CAUSING the problem

The system was already badly broken before they arrived and by now adding hundreds of thousands of new (non taxpaying) arrivals is only going to make an unbearable problem even worse

Secondly, people who've lived in Ireland their whole lives and paid taxes their whole lives are being told there's no money for Guards or ambulances or special needs teachers etc

But now all of a sudden theres Billions of Euros (of taxpayers money) available to house, feed,clothe and transport refugees and asylum seekers (some of whom are flat out fraudsters)

Prediction: The govt are going to revive an unmerciful kicking at the local elections

Yes! Can someone source baseball caps and get MIGA embroidered on them and some of those wee plastic flags?
Too early to storm the government buildings? You've your finger on the pulse of what's happening in the towns and streets. This isn't just knowledge garnered by reading fuckwits on social media, this is real live, no nonsense truths.
Can you project manage from 1000s of miles away in the US of A? You appear to have spare time....if you don't ask and all that.

[seafoid]

Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.

Are they Eastern European Catholics or Protestants ?

[AustinPowers]

I had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour

Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.

But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services

Had to bring my mother  to A&E a  few months back.  At least 5  toe rags came in  in cuffs with police.  Strangely enough they were seen  and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to  get yourself arrested  if  you  ever need A&E again!).

We were kept in corridor  over night while waiting for  a doctor/bed , and another  toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a  side room.  Multiple police,  numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with  her.  Unbelievable waste of  resources

However , there was a  mix of locals and foreign nationals

Were the ones kicking off foreign nationals drugged out or drunk?

The one causing  a right racket sounded local  judging by her  roaring and shouting. Although she may just have been  born here from  foreign parents. Yeah , that  was probably it .

Those Protestants foreign nationals  born in Ireland  up to no  good as usual

[seafoid]

the Irish govt is going to take over from the private sector as the main provider of accommodation for international protection candidates. That makes a lot of sense.

[From the Bunker]

[Armagh18]

Sure why would we bother spending that € on hospitals...

[From the Bunker]

[Rossfan]

The Yank is very concerned that Irish taxpayers money is being used to house, feed etc Refugees (as required by International Law).

Instead of being concerned about Our money being used in practical  Christianity he should be more concerned at his taxes being used to provide War Criminal Netanyahu and his evil Government with free warplanes and high powered missiles to murder civilians including over 10,000 Children in Gaza.

5th Commandment how are ya!

[Eamonnca1]

Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.

Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.

Maybe that's because they tend to get longer sentences for the same offences than white people.

Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland

"An analysis of prisoner data shows that Irish nationals in prison had an average of 6.2 previous custodial sentences, while foreign nationals had just 2.5. Foreign nationals also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (8.9 months longer) and sexual offences (15.9 months longer) than Irish people.

People with an ethnicity other than white also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (14.34 months longer) and sexual offences (32 months longer) than white people."

At any rate there's no evidence that more immigration means more crime. Unless you think the Gardai have gone all "woke."

No link between asylum seekers and increased crime, authorities state

"In the statement, the Garda said there has been no significant increase in crime statistics as a result of the increase in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland. The Department of Justice also said there is no evidence of a link between the number of asylum seekers in Ireland and an increase in crime."

[Eamonnca1]

Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.

Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.

When you see it you will call it anomaly.

Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.

Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.

This is the way.

It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.

[burdizzo]

Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.

Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.

Maybe that's because they tend to get longer sentences for the same offences than white people.

Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland

"An analysis of prisoner data shows that Irish nationals in prison had an average of 6.2 previous custodial sentences, while foreign nationals had just 2.5. Foreign nationals also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (8.9 months longer) and sexual offences (15.9 months longer) than Irish people.

People with an ethnicity other than white also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (14.34 months longer) and sexual offences (32 months longer) than white people."

At any rate there's no evidence that more immigration means more crime. Unless you think the Gardai have gone all "woke."

No link between asylum seekers and increased crime, authorities state

"In the statement, the Garda said there has been no significant increase in crime statistics as a result of the increase in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland. The Department of Justice also said there is no evidence of a link between the number of asylum seekers in Ireland and an increase in crime."

Notice that I said "In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.", and you quote the Guards and refer to asylum seekers. Look up The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Italy... Or just come back here in 15 years.

[thewobbler]

Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.

I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.

Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.

This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.

When you see it you will call it anomaly.

Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.

Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.

This is the way.

It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.

Au contraire Eamon.

I'm not bent out of shape about it at all.

What I'm suggesting here is this. Whilst there's a stream of anecdotes above about how nobody ever sees a foreigner using A&E, there's hard and cold written records that they are using a disproportionately high level of another key public service.

Are there "natives" fighting, stabbing, drink driving, etc in Newry every week? You bet your life there are. There's plenty of Irishmen are unable/unwilling to control their emotional or physical states. But the headcount of incidents involving "natives" should absolutely dwarf those of foreign nationals.

Yet it doesn't.

It just doesn't.

It's there in black and white.

[Itchy]

That's shocking money being spent in 6 months but of course FF/FG will look after their cronies. I don't even see the 2 places in my local town on that list. That's not the refugees fault that we turned it into a money racquet

[seafoid]

Sure why would we bother spending that € on hospitals...

the Health spend last year was €22bn . The cost of refugee shelter wouldn't have got to 20 January in terms of health spend

[thewobbler]

By the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.

And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.