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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:34:26 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

Or maybe green man, he claimed live on rte radio that his brother was in the Wooly face club.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:27:19 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

You're correct, he's probably managed loads of Glen teams.

Loads Lenny.... let's break that down shall we? When the manager went on holidays for two weeks in the late eighties, Mickey and Seamus heffron stepped in as joint player managers for that period. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago he was part of a management quartet that included his son and two cousins.then, as mentioned previously, he was part of a 6 or 7 man management team that stepped in for the final 3 to 4 games of the season. That was 5 years ago. He's never actually put his name forward at the start of the year to manage our seniors.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:37:47 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

Once you bring god into the discussion, you always admit defeat. Thanks. There is no god, you probably are a former teacher who may even still believe in santa, probably attend mass regularly and can name 21 saints. But speaking on behalf of 21 AI winners is indeed a miracle.

Very weird application of logic there Restore, smacks of desperation to me. Let's try to stick to the facts, that doesn't seem to be sinking in with you. You asked me to name them. I did.  They didn't play for Moran after the sacking. I'm not claiming to speak on their behalf. Which bit do you not get?

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:24:27 PM »
Just out of interest how many of the 21 that "couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery", played during the league and ultimately started 94/95 league final against Donegal?

Not sure, would need to hoke out the programme to accurately answer that one. I do recall it being rent a crowd for the opening league games pre Christmas. Did Coleman not tell the players that he appreciated their loyalty but ultimately Derry football trumped everything else? Sign of the man he was really. Eventually the majority were back for the championship I think, even Gary? You mention the league final... something happened in that game with Jonny Kelly or possibly just after that. Long time ago, but I think Moran dropped him from the panel. Maybe someone else can recall it better.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:09:27 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 08:54:47 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.



Hi Ho Silver, tell me this Silver me bucko, if, when he was allegedly asked, he had said yes and he had went on to win 3,   yes 3 Derry titles in a row and 2 Ulster titles in that time with Glen,  do you think the same hostility would be shown to him by Enda or other Glen people? They'd be carrying him up and down Maghera. You need not try to fool anyone into to thinking that the anger shown to King Mickey is anything other pure jealously at what he has helped us achieve.  Up the Robbies!!
Hypothetical question Billy as that scenario was never going to materialise. Mickey couldn't countenance taking his own club because even he couldn't put the bare face on and ask for coin. So, your question is sort of irrelevant really.

And based on your character assassination over the last few days, most true GAA people would say that Mickey was 100% correct not to go anywhere near the club.

Dear oh dear Restore. I've already spelt it out for you, step by step, how each point was indeed a fact and not conjecture or opinion. If you now define that as character assassination, we'll, I have no control over your interpretation. I did note however that you had no response or opinion on the 21 players?

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 06:04:45 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.

Hi Ho Silver, tell me this Silver me bucko, if, when he was allegedly asked, he had said yes and he had went on to win 3,   yes 3 Derry titles in a row and 2 Ulster titles in that time with Glen,  do you think the same hostility would be shown to him by Enda or other Glen people? They'd be carrying him up and down Maghera. You need not try to fool anyone into to thinking that the anger shown to King Mickey is anything other pure jealously at what he has helped us achieve.  Up the Robbies!!
Hypothetical question Billy as that scenario was never going to materialise. Mickey couldn't countenance taking his own club because even he couldn't put the bare face on and ask for coin. So, your question is sort of irrelevant really.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:56:18 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.


No they are not the facts, they are the facts according to you. Big difference. I have total respect for both, worked with one and played football with the other. Things happen, fallout after an AI win is common place in counties.  Not managing your own club team is not a crime, even if asked. The handshake or not is an over reaction to defeat and victory in a championship semifinal, which I absolutely understand but to question either's commitment to Derry GAA is a red (and white!) line for me. Life will go on, especially on Sunday.
Please let me know which one of my facts are incorrect Restore? The non handshakes..Moran's behaviour whilst Coleman  was in America then after he took over... his refusal to manage his own club?
And by the way, fallouts after all Ireland wins are not actually that common. Only in Derry could we win or first(and probably only) title and then sack the manager who delivered it. And over what... a few bob of expenses, a bricklayer with no pension goes to America to earn. Petty shit that any other county would have sorted in the blink of an eye. His crime? He lost a straight knockout championship match that was described as the game of the decade. Hang you heads in shame messrs Moran, gribben and shivers.

If you insist. Name the 20 players.

Ok, from memory 12 starters from the all Ireland final; Mccusker D, Mckeever, Mccusker f, Coleman, Downey H, Mcgurk j, Tohill a, Cassidy, Barton, Gormley, Downey S, Brolly. Then 8 of the subs, Spoofer, Mccormick, collie Mcgurk, Declan Bateson, Hugh Tohill, mulvenna, don Kelly, Eugene Kelly, Dermot O'neill.  Think that's 21 actually so my facts were wrong!

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:52:48 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.

No they are not the facts, they are the facts according to you. Big difference. I have total respect for both, worked with one and played football with the other. Things happen, fallout after an AI win is common place in counties.  Not managing your own club team is not a crime, even if asked. The handshake or not is an over reaction to defeat and victory in a championship semifinal, which I absolutely understand but to question either's commitment to Derry GAA is a red (and white!) line for me. Life will go on, especially on Sunday.
Please let me know which one of my facts are incorrect Restore? The non handshakes..Moran's behaviour whilst Coleman  was in America then after he took over... his refusal to manage his own club?
And by the way, fallouts after all Ireland wins are not actually that common. Only in Derry could we win or first(and probably only) title and then sack the manager who delivered it. And over what... a few bob of expenses, a bricklayer with no pension goes to America to earn. Petty shit that any other county would have sorted in the blink of an eye. His crime? He lost a straight knockout championship match that was described as the game of the decade. Hang you heads in shame messrs Moran, gribben and shivers.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:49:05 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 11, 2017, 08:24:07 PM »
Left Peg, firstly,  I agree, Cormac O'doherty is a better footballer and contributes much more than Paul Bradley, can only assume the former is injured. I would have to take issue with you're point that Gormley is a sore loser for not shaking hands with the 'gentlemen ', Michael Moran. If Enda's a sore loser, then why would he shake hands with all the other people from Slaughtneil on their management team and their players. No one from Glen will need any explanation as to why no handshake took place and never will. The people of Maghera are now wise to the many false faces of M Moran. Thankfully, there as still some things in life that can't be bought, integrity being one, loyalty, the other. Finally, Congratulations to Slaughtneil one there well deserved victory yesterday, we have no complaints on the day and were beaten by the beaten team.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 24, 2016, 07:05:00 PM »
I read your post very clearly. The original point about some club managers getting 60k over 3 years you refuted and went on to suggest it was more like a third or a quarter of that figure. So, your saying that you know (because you were an administrator at a top level within your club) that your manager from 2 years ago was getting only 3 to 4k for doing that job. Do please clarify if I've misinterpreted anything that you've said?

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 24, 2016, 10:00:05 AM »
Thastheball, are you seriously suggesting that your club manager from 2 years ago was travelling from ballygawley to Cavan Gaels just for the love of the game and the good of his health?? If that's what you think and you were involved administratively at a high level within the club, then I can only assume that by high level, you mean chief sandwich maker on bingo night.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 23, 2016, 10:31:17 PM »
Redzone, unless you are john Rafferty or the Bellaghy person paying him, how can you claim that it's bullshit. 50k wouldn't be out of the way for reimbursement over a 3 year term. Has it resulted in a few hard questions being asked in Bellaghy? Absolutely and rightly so. However,  his fee (rafferty's) wouldn't ever raise an eyebrow in any of the top 8 in Tyrone.  As for mickey Harte and doing it buckshee, a bit like pat hickey not taking a salary or mick o'dwyer getting a 'hotel manager's' fee. Amazing how people can dress things up to keep their conscience clear!

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: February 23, 2016, 06:47:18 PM »
Oh dear Scallywag, talk about clutching at straws and making an ass of yourself. Aaron clearly backs up everything that you were already told about the games yet your still trying to somehow argue that you were still right. The evidence is irrefutable. But let's not lose sight of what your original post claimed. You said that Cross would beat intercounty teams including Derry. Despite not scoring at all in the first half against Kildare, you're still claiming that they actually won that game, is that really what you're saying? Take a bow, clearly the greatest WUM operating on this board. Magnificent.

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