Tax breaks for intercounty footballers

Started by Il Bomber Destro, January 06, 2018, 12:02:28 PM

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Itchy

Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.


It's a stupid argument and you are grossly exaggerating the benefit of Croke Park to the economy. This money would likely be spent within the economy anyway and rather than funding a cash rich organisation like the GAA which has received investment from the government to the tune of hundreds of millions in the last decade, it would be best served if the GAA funded an awful lot more of these projects themselves - particularly with the social issues out there.

If the Government is investing in sports projects they should be investing in municipal facilities around the country which will give the community full value for the investment but given the political clout the GAA have they continually get grants and money they neither need or deserve.

Itchy

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.


It's a stupid argument and you are grossly exaggerating the benefit of Croke Park to the economy. This money would likely be spent within the economy anyway and rather than funding a cash rich organisation like the GAA which has received investment from the government to the tune of hundreds of millions in the last decade, it would be best served if the GAA funded an awful lot more of these projects themselves - particularly with the social issues out there.

If the Government is investing in sports projects they should be investing in municipal facilities around the country which will give the community full value for the investment but given the political clout the GAA have they continually get grants and money they neither need or deserve.

They do invest in communities around the country, it's called the sports capital grant scheme.  I'm sure a genius like you on all things "freestate" knew that already.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.


It's a stupid argument and you are grossly exaggerating the benefit of Croke Park to the economy. This money would likely be spent within the economy anyway and rather than funding a cash rich organisation like the GAA which has received investment from the government to the tune of hundreds of millions in the last decade, it would be best served if the GAA funded an awful lot more of these projects themselves - particularly with the social issues out there.

If the Government is investing in sports projects they should be investing in municipal facilities around the country which will give the community full value for the investment but given the political clout the GAA have they continually get grants and money they neither need or deserve.

They do invest in communities around the country, it's called the sports capital grant scheme.  I'm sure a genius like you on all things "freestate" knew that already.

Yes and the vast, vast amount of money of those sports grants goes to GAA clubs. The biggest grants awarded went to GAA clubs in 18 of 26 counties. There are actually more association football clubs and registered players in the 26 counties than GAA clubs and registered GAA players by comparison.

Itchy

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.


It's a stupid argument and you are grossly exaggerating the benefit of Croke Park to the economy. This money would likely be spent within the economy anyway and rather than funding a cash rich organisation like the GAA which has received investment from the government to the tune of hundreds of millions in the last decade, it would be best served if the GAA funded an awful lot more of these projects themselves - particularly with the social issues out there.

If the Government is investing in sports projects they should be investing in municipal facilities around the country which will give the community full value for the investment but given the political clout the GAA have they continually get grants and money they neither need or deserve.

They do invest in communities around the country, it's called the sports capital grant scheme.  I'm sure a genius like you on all things "freestate" knew that already.

Yes and the vast, vast amount of money of those sports grants goes to GAA clubs. The biggest grants awarded went to GAA clubs in 18 of 26 counties. There are actually more association football clubs and registered players in the 26 counties than GAA clubs and registered GAA players by comparison.

If you say so. One reason is an awful lot if soccer clubs play on council grounds and if you don't own your ground or have a long term lease you can't get money for developing it. Vast majority of gaa clubs own their grounds. Are you saying grant applications are being purposely biased to gaa? It's nonsense if you do. I belong to a soccer and gaa club and this year soccer club got way more funding than gaa club and reason was they submitted a better proposal. Don't be so cynical about everything.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 09, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 09, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
FFS will you stop ruining another thread.
Builder charges GAA €1m plus €135k VAT.
GAA gives builder €1,135,000.00.
Builder eventually pay the €135k to Revenue.

Indeed and when you stay in a hotel for a night going to Croke park you pay VAT on the room. If you buy a sandwich in Croke park you pay VAT on that and so on. If the old stadium took 60k and the new one 80k, that 20k more people buying and paying VAT. That is how the investment is justified.

What a load of horse sh1te! Investment or not from the government. Croke Park would have been finished. It might have taken 10 years longer. But it would have got there. Most frequent visitors that I know, know better than to spend money on food in Croke Park. They may do it once. But when they see the rip-off, they are a lot shyer reaching into their pockets on return visits. As for the 20k extra people that fit into the stadium. Their has not been much need for this capacity the last couple of year.

No need to get so worked up about this. There is a saving associated with implementing the investment 10 years quicker. 10 years x 20k people extra  x extra pub/hotel/meal income x VAT is the rough formula.


It's a stupid argument and you are grossly exaggerating the benefit of Croke Park to the economy. This money would likely be spent within the economy anyway and rather than funding a cash rich organisation like the GAA which has received investment from the government to the tune of hundreds of millions in the last decade, it would be best served if the GAA funded an awful lot more of these projects themselves - particularly with the social issues out there.

If the Government is investing in sports projects they should be investing in municipal facilities around the country which will give the community full value for the investment but given the political clout the GAA have they continually get grants and money they neither need or deserve.

They do invest in communities around the country, it's called the sports capital grant scheme.  I'm sure a genius like you on all things "freestate" knew that already.

Yes and the vast, vast amount of money of those sports grants goes to GAA clubs. The biggest grants awarded went to GAA clubs in 18 of 26 counties. There are actually more association football clubs and registered players in the 26 counties than GAA clubs and registered GAA players by comparison.

If you say so. One reason is an awful lot if soccer clubs play on council grounds and if you don't own your ground or have a long term lease you can't get money for developing it. Vast majority of gaa clubs own their grounds. Are you saying grant applications are being purposely biased to gaa? It's nonsense if you do. I belong to a soccer and gaa club and this year soccer club got way more funding than gaa club and reason was they submitted a better proposal. Don't be so cynical about everything.

Yes, the GAA have massive political pull.

caprea

From lads who think Ireland could be playing classy successful football under a different manager, to lads who think Ireland would have being a great choice to host a rugby World Cup to the nonsense on this thread.

The more i look on Internet forums the more i think most irish people have no concept or understanding of global sport.

Going to be funny to see the reaction in a few years when elite GAA goes pro.

Real Talk

Quote from: caprea on January 09, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
From lads who think Ireland could be playing classy successful football under a different manager, to lads who think Ireland would have being a great choice to host a rugby World Cup to the nonsense on this thread.

The more i look on Internet forums the more i think most irish people have no concept or understanding of global sport.

Going to be funny to see the reaction in a few years when elite GAA goes pro.

Will Jim McGuinnes be the first Official Gaelic Professional Football manager ?

bannside

Caprea, you come across as a pretty elite sort of guy yourself! Are you to tell us something?

johnneycool

Quote from: caprea on January 09, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
From lads who think Ireland could be playing classy successful football under a different manager, to lads who think Ireland would have being a great choice to host a rugby World Cup to the nonsense on this thread.

The more i look on Internet forums the more i think most irish people have no concept or understanding of global sport.

Going to be funny to see the reaction in a few years when elite GAA goes pro.

How would Kildare fund a pro gaelic football team?

I know Down haven't the nails to scratch our own arses as like 90% of CB's in Ireland!

Rossfan

In the highly unlikely event that Football (and what about the hurley bucks?) gets a full time professional layer it won't be possible to have County teams other than Dublin.
If such an eventuality ever came to pass you'd probably have 2 Dublin teams and at most 8 Regional teams.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

magpie seanie

Quote from: Rossfan on January 11, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
In the highly unlikely event that Football (and what about the hurley bucks?) gets a full time professional layer it won't be possible to have County teams other than Dublin.
If such an eventuality ever came to pass you'd probably have 2 Dublin teams and at most 8 Regional teams.

It's going to happen unless there's a serious stance taken. I can't see anyone being able to stop it. Get used to it. It might mean the rest of us can go about our lives in peace and run club games in peace for the 99% of players not involved in county panels.

Rossfan

County panels will not be full time professional.
30 players, management and back up say 45 people at €65k each -nearly €3m x32
Add in 10 or 12 hurling Counties -- and your up to about  €125m.
And that's just wages.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Itchy

If it did go pro it would probably end up being 8 teams or so. Dublin, Kerry, cork maybe and the rest amalgamation of some sort. Hard to see where the draw for supporters would be.

magpie seanie

Yes....it will be in the region of 8-12 for football and 6-8 for hurling I'd guess. It will happen though unless we get a President who radically changes course and someone who would do that will find it impossible to get elected.