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Title: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 18, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Game was less than 24 hours ago so there is probably stuff people want to chat about for the next couple days yet. Do so here. Or don't. Whatever makes you happy.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Jinxy on June 18, 2018, 02:22:48 PM
I think we need official permission from Rossfan first.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
What are the positives from a Ros point of view? I think it's easy to say they weren't good enough and ignore what can be built on. Ros have a recent history of not following up on Connacht titles. Winning one next year- what is required? Or a 5 year plan- what would it look like ?  Momentum is often down to psychology. So is winning.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Manning18 on June 18, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Closing the thread petty to say the least.

I think GBB was talking about Daly potentially coming in at 11? As great as that'd be to see, I dont think there's quite enough time for Daly to force his way back in, although I do think McHugh will drop out. Flynn and Conroy got cleaned at midfield in the defeat to Kerry last year so I'd imagine Duggan will come in with Conroy moving to 11, same as the Mayo game. Conroy's not going well but I think he has enough goodwill built up to keep his place, and is one of the few elder leaders in the side.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 18, 2018, 02:30:42 PM
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                How was Comer not booked for the cheap shot on the Roscommon goalie?


            It was a straight red card in any other sport, pretty late and no mitigating circumstances. The goalie should have undergone an independent HIA as well.


        To be fair I think he was 100% going for the ball and the keeper just got there ahead of him. Certainly a booking but I think a straight red would have been pretty harsh.


    Na, his fist arrived well after the ball, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was leaving a marker but caught him sweet, was there much difference between that one and Cluxton last week?


Well the Longford player never attempted a play on the ball at all. Comer did so I'd say there is a fair old difference alright. It was a bit late and arguably reckless but there wasn't enough there for a straight red for me. Even the Roscommon players around didn't seem overly bothered by it.

Comer didn't intend to play the ball either, he made a better mask of hiding his intent though. He actually made superb contact. It was a red all day, I can see why it wasn't given though.

Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 18, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
Rossfan took the ball and ran home because it didn't go his way.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Jinxy on June 18, 2018, 02:35:02 PM
That Longford player had literally no business going for that ball.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Manning18 on June 18, 2018, 02:46:23 PM
What was the story with the sideline concrete bench seating, down the side the penalty was given? Was completely empty in that area, could easily have fit about 1000 people sitting there. There were plenty of kids in the terrace who wouldve been far better served sitting there rather than their parents putting them sitting up on the railings blocking the view of everyone behind. The sideline bench seating sold out afaik?
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Roscommon had 2 poor wides and they were from Kilroy and Fintan Cregg and neither of them were just after half time, the rest were from difficult angles and outside the D.

Roscommon didn't score from play in the final 50 minutes and only mustered a one free in that time, they really struggled to create good scoring opportunities.

All Shane Walsh's free's were close to the 21 as were all the points from play in that 2nd half apart from Walsh's 1st point of the 2nd half.

It really doesn't fit the narrative that Roscommon threw the game away, they put themselves in a great position at half time but thats about it. There was a huge gulf in the teams in that 2nd half.

Galway with plenty of work to do going forward but at the beginning of the season if you'd told me we'd go unbeaten in the league and get to the league final and then beat Mayo and win the Connacht title beating the Rossies I'd be absolutely delighted.



Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2018, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 18, 2018, 02:46:23 PM
What was the story with the sideline concrete bench seating, down the side the penalty was given? Was completely empty in that area, could easily have fit about 1000 people sitting there. There were plenty of kids in the terrace who wouldve been far better served sitting there rather than their parents putting them sitting up on the railings blocking the view of everyone behind. The sideline bench seating sold out afaik?

Its a stadium that holds about 28,000 was always going to have near empty parts in the ground. The terrace was near full because tickets were cheaper i'd agree the kids should have been allowed over to the sideline seating especially for the 2nd half to prove health and safety matters...
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2018, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Roscommon had 2 poor wides and they were from Kilroy and Fintan Cregg and neither of them were just after half time, the rest were from difficult angles and outside the D.

Roscommon didn't score from play in the final 50 minutes and only mustered a one free in that time, they really struggled to create good scoring opportunities.

All Shane Walsh's free's were close to the 21 as were all the points from play in that 2nd half apart from Walsh's 1st point of the 2nd half.

It really doesn't fit the narrative that Roscommon threw the game away, they put themselves in a great position at half time but thats about it. There was a huge gulf in the teams in that 2nd half.

Galway with plenty of work to do going forward but at the beginning of the season if you'd told me we'd go unbeaten in the league and get to the league final and then beat Mayo and win the Connacht title beating the Rossies I'd be absolutely delighted.


Putting themselves in a great position and not kicking on is where Roscommon will be kicking themselves they have forwards well capable of kicking long range points as proved in last years final for whatever reason it didn't work out for them yesterday. For the huge gulf as suggested Galway still only won that game in injury time i think a better side than Galway would put the rossies away much sooner.

You are right plenty of work to be done for Galway before the last eight, their strength is their defensive system now and they gave away near 30 scoring changes yesterday and two goals do that against Kerry next and Galway will be beaten by a bit to spare.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Roscommon had 2 poor wides and they were from Kilroy and Fintan Cregg and neither of them were just after half time, the rest were from difficult angles and outside the D.

Roscommon didn't score from play in the final 50 minutes and only mustered a one free in that time, they really struggled to create good scoring opportunities.

All Shane Walsh's free's were close to the 21 as were all the points from play in that 2nd half apart from Walsh's 1st point of the 2nd half.

It really doesn't fit the narrative that Roscommon threw the game away, they put themselves in a great position at half time but thats about it. There was a huge gulf in the teams in that 2nd half.

Galway with plenty of work to do going forward but at the beginning of the season if you'd told me we'd go unbeaten in the league and get to the league final and then beat Mayo and win the Connacht title beating the Rossies I'd be absolutely delighted.
I would have been happy with surviving in D1. Winning Connacht is great as long as we don't get a gutting later on.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Rudi on June 18, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
Galway were the better team. We were in a winning position at half time , but the early string of poor misses drained the confidence from us. A lot of pure cynical thug type stuff from Galway all over the field, its a cancer in the game and needs to be stopped. Niall kilroy in particular took awful abuse, with a poor referee looking on and doing nothing. That said when the game was in the melting pot Galway stood up and got some decent scores against a tricky wind. Our defence did pretty well considering they are our weak link, we could still have done with Mullolly and Collins.
It all depends now on who we get in round 4, avoid Mayo and Tyrone and we should have a good chance, as hopefully the lads will feel they have something to prove after a horrible second half. Compton was a huge loss.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Baggio90 on June 18, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Roscommon are very limited. Unless they get a very favourable draw I don't see them getting into the Super 8s and I think it would be for the best of everyone if they don't.

I couldn't understand the tactics of Galway in the first half, just stood off Roscommon and let them do what they wanted for the whole first half with a strong breeze in their back. They could afford to get aggressive and give fouls out the pitch with that wind, it was very much unlikely much points would be scored from the 45.

In the second half they got a bit more agressive and outscored Roscommon 11 scores to 2 with a strong gust in their back and that was with Galway's main man having a stinker.

Still can't get any real read on Galway, I don't think they are good enough to make the last 4 but a lot of that will depend on who else is in their group. Good chance Mayo, Monaghan or Tyrone could fall along the way.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Hound on June 19, 2018, 08:04:36 AM
Interesting analysis by Parkinson, who was at the game.

Said TV viewers were completely misled by Brolly (who said Galway played defensive tactics in the first half, and abandoned those tactics in the second).

Parkinson said Galway's tactics hardly changed at all! The difference was they just played much better in the second half. In the 1st they turned over more ball, and in particular their final ball and shooting was poor. Roscommon attacked relatively slowly with the ball (understandable against the wind), which allowed Galway get players back.

Second half, Galway dominated midfield and were far more clinical. But the set up was the same.

According to Wooly anyway!
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: brianboru00 on June 19, 2018, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Roscommon had 2 poor wides and they were from Kilroy and Fintan Cregg and neither of them were just after half time, the rest were from difficult angles and outside the D.

Roscommon didn't score from play in the final 50 minutes and only mustered a one free in that time, they really struggled to create good scoring opportunities.

All Shane Walsh's free's were close to the 21 as were all the points from play in that 2nd half apart from Walsh's 1st point of the 2nd half.

It really doesn't fit the narrative that Roscommon threw the game away, they put themselves in a great position at half time but thats about it. There was a huge gulf in the teams in that 2nd half.

Galway with plenty of work to do going forward but at the beginning of the season if you'd told me we'd go unbeaten in the league and get to the league final and then beat Mayo and win the Connacht title beating the Rossies I'd be absolutely delighted.

Roscommon absolutely threw the game away. Most of the shots taken were absolutely from scoreable positions.
Murtagh + Smith both had shot from round 50 yards that they should really have put over. Devanney took one with his right too quickly under no pressure. Harney took a shot that dropped wide that should really have split the post.

Kilroys miss was straight in front of the posts - terrible miss.
Fintan Creggs worse and by rights should have handpassed into Diarmuid Murtagh who would have been in for goal chance.

Donie Smith snapped at a shot which on another day would have went over. If Roscommon had got three of those 7 opportunities at those times in the game then I think they would have pulled away and won by the three or four points - those are the margins.


Referee: I wouldn't have huge issues with the ref overall. Donie Smith got a free in the second half for absolutely nothing  but then again Galway got a free for nothing in virtually the same spot.
Either the full back or Kyne made third man tackle on Donie Smith for a free in the first half but no black card.  I also counted two other blatant and another not quite as blatant third man tackle on Roscommon runners not punished.

Comer could have had a penalty in the first half with the shot that went wide but that would have been balanced by the foul on Diarmuid Murtagh when (Kyne or O Ceallaigh clearly had his arm around him in the air).
Flynn should possibly have had a yellow card for the incident for Roscommon penalty but I think he shouldn't have gotten yellow for the foul on Kilroy a few minutes earlier.
Comer should either have gotten a red card or nothing - happy enough with that - he may have known what he was doing but the TV pictures are definitely inconclusive so free out is the only correct call there.
Thought Stack should have had a free late in second half - whereas Galway got two softish frees - one with three around the attacker and another where Domnican fouled . D Murtagh should have been given one at the other end but think it wasn't given as it was inside the penalty area.

From a Roscommon point of view - they definitely kicked it away - great position at half time but failed to convert the chances they had in the second half - as I said you would have favoured one from the two 50 yard shots, both Kilroy and Creggs chances and a another out of Smiths 2 and Devanneys one to be converted.

When Galways chances came - they took them.


I don't think Galway have the ability to progress in the same manner as their 1998 team for example. Roscommon need to get a handy run in the qualifiers (they're due a handy draw to be fair) if they're to build but questions would have to be asked of managements changes or lack there of. Particularly the room given to Walsh



Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

Until then post a score against a "strong " team then are not as good as the hype coming from some...

Flat track bullies perhaps
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:41:36 AM
the game was level on 68 mins.
there was very little between the teams except for Roscommon's wayward shooting.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Baggio90 on June 19, 2018, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:41:36 AM
the game was level on 68 mins.
there was very little between the teams except for Roscommon's wayward shooting.


I think there was a big gulf between the sides in the second half when Galway upped the tempo. While Roscommon missed a lot of wides, shot selection was the main issue in the second half, there were only really two efforts you'd classify as bad misses that they really should be scoring, the bulk of them were high % shots taken on when they shouldn't have been taken on.

The shift in the game happened when Galway stopped standing off their men and stated to get tackles and hits in further up the pitch. Roscommon have some nice footballers when you allow them to play but when you get tight or physical with them they don't want to know about it and until they learn to realise how to cope with that and how to play football against that then they will go nowhere. All the big teams will play with an edge.

They have a very young and lightweight midfield right now and even if Compton had gone off I think they would have been cleaned out there as soon as Galway got to the pace of the game. It was a game of two halves but the difference was Galway didn't turn up in the first half whereas I don't think Roscommon have another gear in them from what they showed.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2018, 08:04:36 AM
Interesting analysis by Parkinson, who was at the game.

Said TV viewers were completely misled by Brolly (who said Galway played defensive tactics in the first half, and abandoned those tactics in the second).

Parkinson said Galway's tactics hardly changed at all! The difference was they just played much better in the second half. In the 1st they turned over more ball, and in particular their final ball and shooting was poor. Roscommon attacked relatively slowly with the ball (understandable against the wind), which allowed Galway get players back.

Second half, Galway dominated midfield and were far more clinical. But the set up was the same.

According to Wooly anyway!

This is correct for the most part to be honest, the only real tweak that Galway made to the system was to move from holding at the 45 line to holding further out the pitch at the 65 line. This was part of a more consolidated push up on the Roscommon restarts to ensure that the kick outs had to go long. Galway dominated the middle after Compton departed the pitch and in the second half this was more pronounced.

Roscommon ended up wilting in second half when Galway put on any bit of heat at all, their shot selection and shot execution fell off a cliff. No score from play in the second half is shocking given the chances and a better team than Roscommon would have won the match given how poor Galway were in the first 35 minutes.
Simply put, the Rossies kicked the game away and Galway upped their performance to a more acceptable level than their error ridden first half. Certainly it was not due to some massive change in tactical approach from Galway that I could see, just far better execution and application by the visitors.

At full time Brolly either (a) knew that he was incorrect in his assertion but it suits the narrative he is constantly driving to say otherwise given his prior "analysis" about a happy Roscommon at HT or (b) couldn't see what was actually happening on the pitch and is an absolute spoofer. Maybe it's a little from column a, a little from column b.

Not to flog a dead horse about it but the Sunday Game coverage is so consistently poor that it's hard to take too much heed of the analysis sections. Parsons and O'Shea were better on the evening show giving an insight than the 3 lads actually at the game during the day - who were in a much better position to see the match unfold. That shouldn't be the case.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: galwayman on June 19, 2018, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2018, 08:04:36 AM
Interesting analysis by Parkinson, who was at the game.

Said TV viewers were completely misled by Brolly (who said Galway played defensive tactics in the first half, and abandoned those tactics in the second).

Parkinson said Galway's tactics hardly changed at all! The difference was they just played much better in the second half. In the 1st they turned over more ball, and in particular their final ball and shooting was poor. Roscommon attacked relatively slowly with the ball (understandable against the wind), which allowed Galway get players back.

Second half, Galway dominated midfield and were far more clinical. But the set up was the same.

According to Wooly anyway!

This is correct for the most part to be honest, the only real tweak that Galway made to the system was to move from holding at the 45 line to holding further out the pitch at the 65 line. This was part of a more consolidated push up on the Roscommon restarts to ensure that the kick outs had to go long. Galway dominated the middle after Compton departed the pitch and in the second half this was more pronounced.

Roscommon ended up wilting in second half when Galway put on any bit of heat at all, their shot selection and shot execution fell off a cliff. No score from play in the second half is shocking given the chances and a better team than Roscommon would have won the match given how poor Galway were in the first 35 minutes.
Simply put, the Rossies kicked the game away and Galway upped their performance to a more acceptable level than their error ridden first half. Certainly it was not due to some massive change in tactical approach from Galway that I could see, just far better execution and application by the visitors.

At full time Brolly either (a) knew that he was incorrect in his assertion but it suits the narrative he is constantly driving to say otherwise given his prior "analysis" about a happy Roscommon at HT or (b) couldn't see what was actually happening on the pitch and is an absolute spoofer. Maybe it's a little from column a, a little from column b.

Not to flog a dead horse about it but the Sunday Game coverage is so consistently poor that it's hard to take too much heed of the analysis sections. Parsons and O'Shea were better on the evening show giving an insight than the 3 lads actually at the game during the day - who were in a much better position to see the match unfold. That shouldn't be the case.
Which lads were on the live show? I haven't had a chance to watch it again yet.
Off the top of my head the only SG lads I can remember recently who actually analyse games properly were Kevin McStay and sometimes Ciaran Whelan.
No doubt there was plenty of shite talk of us "throwing off the shackles" after half time?
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 11:17:57 AM
Cooper, Brolly and O'Rourke.
O'Rourke is a complete waste of time, the likes of himself and Spillane should be long gone, bring absolutely nothing to it. Brolly is just there for the controversy angle and he won't be moved anytime soon by RTE as a result but again he is just as worthless in terms of insight and value to the show.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
I know brolly Labour's the point but just because it's brolly saying it doesn't mean he is wrong about the "tactics" used by coaches like Tally and Poacher....


Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: galwayman on June 19, 2018, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 11:17:57 AM
Cooper, Brolly and O'Rourke.
O'Rourke is a complete waste of time, the likes of himself and Spillane should be long gone, bring absolutely nothing to it. Brolly is just there for the controversy angle and he won't be moved anytime soon by RTE as a result but again he is just as worthless in terms of insight and value to the show.
Cian Ward on Parkinson's podcast is top class. Oisin McConville also comes across well on the Second Captains podcast.
Now it's true that they have a day to digest the action before commenting on it but still their analysis is a world away from what the Sunday Game produces.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Baggio90 on June 19, 2018, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
I know brolly Labour's the point but just because it's brolly saying it doesn't mean he is wrong about the "tactics" used by coaches like Tally and Poacher....

Nothing wrong with the tactics used by Poacher and Tally.

Carlow are having their best couple of season in God knows how long and now Galway are beginning to get a bit of respect and relative success to previous years.

It's competitive sport, teams should focus on what makes their team more formidable and more competitive and they should not care a jot about what some envious onlookers think. If they think the game should be played a different way then that's up to them but there is no appointee that should be telling others how their teams should be playing.

You show me someone who'd rather have their team play nice football and ship a heavy beating than someone who will set their team up to give them the best chance to win and I will show you a liar. The reason Galway play the way they do is because they have severe deficiencies in ther back lin, it was brought up big time in their visits to Croke Park the last couple of years. They still have those deficienes but the way they play minimises them.

The thing Brolly et all fail to understand that GAA is not an entertainment business, it's competition, it's competitive sport. Defensively set up teams are not one bit a problem in my eye, a far bigger issue is that there is a growing gulf between the top teams and the lesser teams and that is biggest concern in GAA at present.

I hate Dublin being pointed out for the nice football they play - look at the players they have, the resources they have (financially and infrastructure), the facilities they have, the lifestlyes their players are able to live in comparison to teams from smaller counties who may be required to a) actually work and b)move away for work and carry out big commutes to make training. Of course Dublin are going to be another realm to any other team.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
I know brolly Labour's the point but just because it's brolly saying it doesn't mean he is wrong about the "tactics" used by coaches like Tally and Poacher....

Did he analyse correctly at all what happened on the pitch Sunday? No. He just regurgitated the narrative that he had already set out in his column published that morning in the Sindo with very little reference to what was happening on the pitch. What actual value is that to anyone apart from "Brand Brolly"?
I'm tired listening to himself and O'Rourke moaning on, the games are what they are, decent insight is what is needed, they are effectively useless in their role in the Sunday Game.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Jinxy on June 19, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
The worse the game gets as a spectacle, the less likely it is we will see new blood analysing the game.
Before long, the only reason the casual observer will watch the Sunday Game is to see what nonsense Brolly & Spillane come out with.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 19, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
The worse the game gets as a spectacle, the less likely it is we will see new blood analysing the game.
Before long, the only reason the casual observer will watch the Sunday Game is to see what nonsense Brolly & Spillane come out with.

I'm afraid what will happen is there will be less coverage of games. And without Coverage you won't be exposed to the Three Stooges!

My 10 year old girl and 9 year old lad who both love to play Gaelic, would never watch a match. The Champions League and presently the World Cup is all they care about. To tell you the truth their Dad is not far behind them!
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: DuffleKing on June 19, 2018, 01:05:33 PM

Why is Champions League Soccer a better spectacle than Gaelic Football? Aside from the tactical mundane aspect that has 90% of the defending team behind the ball at all times, playacting and buying frees has completely stopped me watching full games
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
Compton's injury made a difference but not the extent that many are suggesting, you can see from the stats in the 1st half that Roscommon had struggled on their kickout.

They won 7 out of 13 of their own kickouts in the 1st half whilst they won 3 out of 12 of Galways in the 1st half and 2 of those were kicked out over the sideline by Lavelle. When either goalie didn't have anything on and was forced to go long Galway dominated and won 10 out of the 15. Compton was missed but it wasn't the turning of the game.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: cornetto on June 19, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
Galway lads still celebrating Monday evening,they had a great night Sunday in taffes and busker Brown's.Spoke to a couple of the players yesterday evening and they still believed at half time they would go on and win.ross are very hard to beat at home they stated and it showed.They are meeting up tonight  for a review of the match and to go through the plans for the super 8s.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on June 19, 2018, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
I know brolly Labour's the point but just because it's brolly saying it doesn't mean he is wrong about the "tactics" used by coaches like Tally and Poacher....

Nothing wrong with the tactics used by Poacher and Tally.

Carlow are having their best couple of season in God knows how long and now Galway are beginning to get a bit of respect and relative success to previous years.

It's competitive sport, teams should focus on what makes their team more formidable and more competitive and they should not care a jot about what some envious onlookers think. If they think the game should be played a different way then that's up to them but there is no appointee that should be telling others how their teams should be playing.

You show me someone who'd rather have their team play nice football and ship a heavy beating than someone who will set their team up to give them the best chance to win and I will show you a liar. The reason Galway play the way they do is because they have severe deficiencies in ther back lin, it was brought up big time in their visits to Croke Park the last couple of years. They still have those deficienes but the way they play minimises them.

The thing Brolly et all fail to understand that GAA is not an entertainment business, it's competition, it's competitive sport. Defensively set up teams are not one bit a problem in my eye, a far bigger issue is that there is a growing gulf between the top teams and the lesser teams and that is biggest concern in GAA at present.

I hate Dublin being pointed out for the nice football they play - look at the players they have, the resources they have (financially and infrastructure), the facilities they have, the lifestlyes their players are able to live in comparison to teams from smaller counties who may be required to a) actually work and b)move away for work and carry out big commutes to make training. Of course Dublin are going to be another realm to any other team.


We'll beg to differ on the merits of Poacher style tactics when you see tools of coaches from u12 aping them and setting juvenile teams up not to lose.. ( by too much)
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: cornetto on June 19, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
Galway lads still celebrating Monday evening,they had a great night Sunday in taffes and busker Brown's.Spoke to a couple of the players yesterday evening and they still believed at half time they would go on and win.ross are very hard to beat at home they stated and it showed.They are meeting up tonight  for a review of the match and to go through the plans for the super 8s.

4 weeks until their first Super 8 game. May as well go out and enjoy themselves while they have the break. Club championship next weekend.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

Given we only had 8 scores............ no we didnt
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 19, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: cornetto on June 19, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
Galway lads still celebrating Monday evening,they had a great night Sunday in taffes and busker Brown's.Spoke to a couple of the players yesterday evening and they still believed at half time they would go on and win.ross are very hard to beat at home they stated and it showed.They are meeting up tonight  for a review of the match and to go through the plans for the super 8s.

4 weeks until their first Super 8 game. May as well go out and enjoy themselves while they have the break. Club championship next weekend.

They well deserve their celebrations, for the majority of this decade we were left wondering if Galway could even string two wins together never mind get the hands on some silverware.
Going back to the clubs for the matches next weekend and a bit of downtime after that before the Super 8's will hopefully allow them a chance to refocus for what will be a very challenging sequence of matches against the top teams in the country.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: oliverkelly on June 19, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

Thats why the shooting was so terrible they kept kicking with their weaker feet instead of settling themselves and putting it over with the natural foot. Kilroy, Two Creggs and Devanney in last 15 minutues all kicked terrible wides with their weaker foot
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

The BIG difference between Mayo and Dublin the last couple of years has been the SUBS BENCH. When the game is in the BALANCE toward the end of the game, Dublin can bring on fresh players as good as the ones coming off. Mayo DON'T have that luxury.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 19, 2018, 01:05:33 PM

Why is Champions League Soccer a better spectacle than Gaelic Football? Aside from the tactical mundane aspect that has 90% of the defending team behind the ball at all times, playacting and buying frees has completely stopped me watching full games

Are you talking about Gaelic or Soccer here. (This is not a question I'd have asked 10 years ago!)
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Blowitupref on June 19, 2018, 06:38:33 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

Good or decent forwards can under perform at times others can find it difficult to score against well organized defences. Dublin for example in the drawn 2016 AI final only managed to score 0-9 as the two goals they got were OGs.

Diarmuid Murtagh i thought performed well last Sunday even though he was triple marked at times and given extra heavy treatment. C Murtagh,D Smith,E Smith only getting 1-1 between them was a very poor return from good players. That lack of scoring can't be repeated if they want to win their round 4 tie.




Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

The BIG difference between Mayo and Dublin the last couple of years has been the SUBS BENCH. When the game is in the BALANCE toward the end of the game, Dublin can bring on fresh players as good as the ones coming off. Mayo DON'T have that luxury.

Maybe you could add discipline. Plus technique versus effort.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-wouldnt-want-to-play-on-this-team-paul-galvin-explains-why-mayos-tactics-are-death-to-a-halfforward-36927128.html
Their system of play is death to a half-forward, or an inside forward for that matter.

"So many times last Sunday Mayo defenders were ahead of the ball, killing my space forward players should be operating in.

"As a half-forward who loved playing in the pockets along the 45, I simply wouldn't thrive in this Mayo team. Too many bodies occupying the spaces I'd need to be taking up.

"There's something unnaturally frustrating about getting a ball in a championship game and not being able to hit a pass or execute what you see in your head.

"You can deal with that happening a few times or even for a few games, but over time if you're repeatedly blocked up, caught up, short of options, playing sideways, seeing opportunities but not being able to execute for congestion or lack of awareness, it gets irritating.

"Developing their forward play is a big problem for Mayo. If their backs stayed out of the way they would make things easier for themselves and have a chance of progressing. At the moment, it's hard, physical work just watching them trying to get out of their own way."


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mayo-now-on-a-familiar-but-unforgiving-road-1.3494910
For example, Keith Higgins is one of my favourite players. He is 33 now and still as easy on the eye to watch - fast, dynamic, powerful and a joy to watch, I think. Early in the second half he makes a break out of defence and he is going direct. But who is with him? Nobody. He becomes an isolated runner. Because that strategy is not in place. Then he went again a few minutes later and he kicked a fine score - because he had no choice. I felt Paddy Durcan broke out well a few times also but he too became isolated. And I feel this is a consistent problem for Mayo.

Lee Keegan breaks and he gets isolated but he sometimes has the capacity to use his speed and talent to kick a point on the run and it looks fine. But where is the support off the shoulder or ahead of the player on the ball? Imagine Kevin McLoughlin playing on the Dublin team. Think of him coming off those passes and working in that pod system with that engine, that decision making facility and his point-taking ability. The damage he would cause! Why does he go missing for periods for Mayo? Because the system is not relentless with Mayo. The dots are not fully joined up. It's as if Mayo blindly trust they will find a way; get that score
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

The BIG difference between Mayo and Dublin the last couple of years has been the SUBS BENCH. When the game is in the BALANCE toward the end of the game, Dublin can bring on fresh players as good as the ones coming off. Mayo DON'T have that luxury.

Maybe you could add discipline. Plus technique versus effort.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-wouldnt-want-to-play-on-this-team-paul-galvin-explains-why-mayos-tactics-are-death-to-a-halfforward-36927128.html
Their system of play is death to a half-forward, or an inside forward for that matter.

"So many times last Sunday Mayo defenders were ahead of the ball, killing my space forward players should be operating in.

"As a half-forward who loved playing in the pockets along the 45, I simply wouldn't thrive in this Mayo team. Too many bodies occupying the spaces I'd need to be taking up.

"There's something unnaturally frustrating about getting a ball in a championship game and not being able to hit a pass or execute what you see in your head.

"You can deal with that happening a few times or even for a few games, but over time if you're repeatedly blocked up, caught up, short of options, playing sideways, seeing opportunities but not being able to execute for congestion or lack of awareness, it gets irritating.

"Developing their forward play is a big problem for Mayo. If their backs stayed out of the way they would make things easier for themselves and have a chance of progressing. At the moment, it's hard, physical work just watching them trying to get out of their own way."


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mayo-now-on-a-familiar-but-unforgiving-road-1.3494910
For example, Keith Higgins is one of my favourite players. He is 33 now and still as easy on the eye to watch - fast, dynamic, powerful and a joy to watch, I think. Early in the second half he makes a break out of defence and he is going direct. But who is with him? Nobody. He becomes an isolated runner. Because that strategy is not in place. Then he went again a few minutes later and he kicked a fine score - because he had no choice. I felt Paddy Durcan broke out well a few times also but he too became isolated. And I feel this is a consistent problem for Mayo.

Lee Keegan breaks and he gets isolated but he sometimes has the capacity to use his speed and talent to kick a point on the run and it looks fine. But where is the support off the shoulder or ahead of the player on the ball? Imagine Kevin McLoughlin playing on the Dublin team. Think of him coming off those passes and working in that pod system with that engine, that decision making facility and his point-taking ability. The damage he would cause! Why does he go missing for periods for Mayo? Because the system is not relentless with Mayo. The dots are not fully joined up. It's as if Mayo blindly trust they will find a way; get that score

Maybe you could add ''Just not good enough''. There is no time since 2013 that i felt we were better than Dublin. The effort has been massive and no other county outside Mayo can appreciate this. This group are just unlucky to have came along when Dublin have begun a massive conveyor belt of top quality players coming from a huge financial backing and procession of Home games.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Ros hit 14 wides. If that was Mayo everybody would go to town on the shit forwards. Maybe Ros forwards are not as good as they're supposed to be.

I think their forwards are still pretty good for the most part but their shot selection in the 2nd half was deplorable. Shooting from way out or out on the wing when they had a strong wind behind them. It felt like they thought the wind would do all the work for them rather than working the ball a bit closer to goal.

Ultimately if you lose a half of football 0-11 to 1-1 you probably don't deserve it on the day.

I'm sure some of the Rossies can put me right but I can't recall on Sunday any of their forwards kicking a score with their weaker foot or even attempting it? Its hard to tell from Shane Walsh that his left foot is weaker and Ian Burke too is very strong on his left and kicked a score with his weaker foot near the end. Comer kicked a great score with his left against Mayo and Heaney kicked scores from both feet during the league.

I can recall Kieran Shannon doing an article on it a few years ago as he thought that was the big difference between Dublin & Mayo's forwards.

The BIG difference between Mayo and Dublin the last couple of years has been the SUBS BENCH. When the game is in the BALANCE toward the end of the game, Dublin can bring on fresh players as good as the ones coming off. Mayo DON'T have that luxury.

Maybe you could add discipline. Plus technique versus effort.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-wouldnt-want-to-play-on-this-team-paul-galvin-explains-why-mayos-tactics-are-death-to-a-halfforward-36927128.html
Their system of play is death to a half-forward, or an inside forward for that matter.

"So many times last Sunday Mayo defenders were ahead of the ball, killing my space forward players should be operating in.

"As a half-forward who loved playing in the pockets along the 45, I simply wouldn't thrive in this Mayo team. Too many bodies occupying the spaces I'd need to be taking up.

"There's something unnaturally frustrating about getting a ball in a championship game and not being able to hit a pass or execute what you see in your head.

"You can deal with that happening a few times or even for a few games, but over time if you're repeatedly blocked up, caught up, short of options, playing sideways, seeing opportunities but not being able to execute for congestion or lack of awareness, it gets irritating.

"Developing their forward play is a big problem for Mayo. If their backs stayed out of the way they would make things easier for themselves and have a chance of progressing. At the moment, it's hard, physical work just watching them trying to get out of their own way."


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mayo-now-on-a-familiar-but-unforgiving-road-1.3494910
For example, Keith Higgins is one of my favourite players. He is 33 now and still as easy on the eye to watch - fast, dynamic, powerful and a joy to watch, I think. Early in the second half he makes a break out of defence and he is going direct. But who is with him? Nobody. He becomes an isolated runner. Because that strategy is not in place. Then he went again a few minutes later and he kicked a fine score - because he had no choice. I felt Paddy Durcan broke out well a few times also but he too became isolated. And I feel this is a consistent problem for Mayo.

Lee Keegan breaks and he gets isolated but he sometimes has the capacity to use his speed and talent to kick a point on the run and it looks fine. But where is the support off the shoulder or ahead of the player on the ball? Imagine Kevin McLoughlin playing on the Dublin team. Think of him coming off those passes and working in that pod system with that engine, that decision making facility and his point-taking ability. The damage he would cause! Why does he go missing for periods for Mayo? Because the system is not relentless with Mayo. The dots are not fully joined up. It's as if Mayo blindly trust they will find a way; get that score

Maybe you could add ''Just not good enough''. There is no time since 2013 that i felt we were better than Dublin. The effort has been massive and no other county outside Mayo can appreciate this. This group are just unlucky to have came along when Dublin have begun a massive conveyor belt of top quality players coming from a huge financial backing and procession of Home games.
Yes. Sometimes timing is the problem.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 19, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
I was genuinely shocked at Roscommons 2nd half performance and shot selection. They had Galway on the rack, last yr they destroyed them, this year at home in a winning position totally lost their way. Disappointing but Galway were very calm the whole way through. Once they got pace into their game with the running game Roscommon couldnt react or at least couldnt execute under the pressure that brought. Delighted to see Shane Walsh score on the run, one weakness i saw alot in previous games is his pace and run power resulted in him mis-hitting the ball (dropping short) and not following through properly, looks like he has worked on that and slowed down to compose before kicking, great to watch.

What was the attendance on Sunday?
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
If a team and individual players don't work on their weaknesses then they really only have themselves to blame when those things let them down
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-intensity-is-key-to-galway-s-success-1.3535258
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Many of us have been very critical of the kick out strategy since Kevin Walsh arrived and even during the league there wasn't a huge improvement, wasn't until the league final where we saw some real improvement. Lavelle is far less predictable and takes on short kickouts he wasn't prepared to do last year, his re-starts are quicker this year; On a few occasions on Sunday it only took him 5 seconds to    take his kick out after a Roscommon score or wide.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: galwayman on June 20, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Many of us have been very critical of the kick out strategy since Kevin Walsh arrived and even during the league there wasn't a huge improvement, wasn't until the league final where we saw some real improvement. Lavelle is far less predictable and takes on short kickouts he wasn't prepared to do last year, his re-starts are quicker this year; On a few occasions on Sunday it only took him 5 seconds to    take his kick out after a Roscommon score or wide.
A case in point being the score immediately after the Roscommon penalty where he picked out Eoin Kerin with a restart and Armie ended up kicking the equaliser from that passage of play.
Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: seafoid on June 20, 2018, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-intensity-is-key-to-galway-s-success-1.3535258
He mentioned intensity intensively in this video from 2014

https://youtu.be/9In3bD0D4n8

Title: Re: Redux Connacht final 2018 thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Many of us have been very critical of the kick out strategy since Kevin Walsh arrived and even during the league there wasn't a huge improvement, wasn't until the league final where we saw some real improvement. Lavelle is far less predictable and takes on short kickouts he wasn't prepared to do last year, his re-starts are quicker this year; On a few occasions on Sunday it only took him 5 seconds to    take his kick out after a Roscommon score or wide.
It did help that Roscommons best midfielder was gone off the.pitch after 25 mins