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[You have to wonder how it is even a debate]

If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate

Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.

The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446

You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.

But again, there are a hell of a lot more in right-wing politics

Science denial, fact rejection and a fantasy world of la la is the defining characteristic of right-wing politics

It's a freak show

Of course as a Trump supporter you would deny this because you are one of the people who have been brainwashed

Noam Chomsky quite rightly says the Republican party is the most dangerous organisation in the world - in human history

Even the Nazis didn't plan to incinerate the planet

I'm not a Trump supporter. I just have my reservations with the modern Democrat party.

[You have to wonder how it is even a debate]

If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate

Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.

The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446

You can scour the internet for individuals if you like in an effort to create a false equivalence but isolated individuals and cranks do not make a systemic problem

Science denial and fact rejection are now intrinsic parts of the international right-wing

That is very far from the case on the broad left

False equivalence is also a systemic right-wing problem

I didnt have to scour. Hes on the ballot in Vermont in November. He's a left wing democrat. And he's not alone.

San Francisco kids are well below the required vaccinated level (95%) for herd immunity. San Fran of course. Being a city that *checks notes*  Hillary won 84.5% of the vote in 2016.

There are loons in all political walks of life.

For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , it'll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

I value my own health, if that's deemed as selfish then so be it.

Look at the flu vaccine in South Korea as a recent example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/doctors-in-south-korea-call-for-flu-vaccinations-to-be-paused-after-25-deaths

Did you even read that article? It disproves your point.

"Authorities say programme will continue after finding no direct links between the deaths and the vaccines"

You've just read the headline and couldn't get it posted quick enough.

[You have to wonder how it is even a debate]

If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate

Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.

The anti-vaccine ideology is overwhelmingly pushed by those with right-wing "libertarian" sympathies

Anti-vaccine ideology has deeply infected mainstream right-wing politics and media

There is no such similar problem on the broad left

Right-wing propaganda and disinformation is one of the central problems of our time, it is a virulent cancer

Again, there is no such similar problem on the broad left

Look at the New Zealand election

Why did that country overwhelmingly opt for sensible social democratic government rather than the screaming yahoos that rule the roost in the US, UK and increasingly Australia?

Because Murdoch media is not a factor

We are far from perfect in this country but Murdoch media is not a factor here either - unfortunately we do have some other outlets and minor demagogues here to take up the slack of disinformation and we are also quite influenced by what's happening in the UK and US

Plenty on the left too.
Heres governor of Vermont Democratic candidate David Zuckerman. His voting history makes for interesting reading....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/anti-vaccine-coronavirus-137446

For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , it'll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

I'm alright though Jack, I'm not in an at-risk demographic

Maybe do some research on vaccines in our history and some of the long term health problems they can be attributed to.

I'll take my chances without it. If I catch the virus I will look after myself and following the quarantine procedures.

Do you get the flu vaccine annually?

Incredibly selfish attitude to take.

[Covid - The Disease]

The perverse logic of this is incredible but not unsurprising

Covid - The Disease
Don't know the long term consequences
Unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely aid the spread of the disease if I get it, potentially causing the death of others
"HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THAT, CARRY ON REGARDLESS, BRING IT ON"

Covid - The Vaccine
Don't know the long term consequences
VERY unlikely to kill me in the short term
Will most likely help stop the spread of the disease, potentially saving the lives of others
"FCUK THAT SHIT, DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR ME"

How, in the name of sweet fcuk does anyone with a brain arrive at this kind of decision?

Propaganda and choosing what they want to believe.

[You have to wonder how it is even a debate]

If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate

Three words: Right wing propaganda

Plenty of wing nuts on the left advocating for no vaccines too, take that crap to the US politics thread.

Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Proper clinical trials in which long term complications can be monitored. And why - selfishly so I don't end up worse taking an untested vaccine than I would catching a virus that won't significantly affect me.

Long term complications are being monitored.

Its why we don't have a marketed vaccine yet.
What is it about the current trials that isnt proper?

Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

Is there anything to be said for saying another Mass?

Chris Pratt.

Because he didn't say who he's voting for, so hes automatically a fascist... or something.

If the GAA are using the Elite line they should be forced to put all 32 teams in hotels from this weekend until they are out of the tournament. 6 weeks for the finalists, pay all players wages for that period. Treat it like a world cup, squads of 30 named 10 of backroom teams no outsiders in or out of camp. But they wouldn't pay for that.

And i'm not anti GAA but believe that's only way to be both safe and fair.

One of the more ridiculous ideas I've heard. It wound bankrupt the association.

[Van Dijk was on Maldini level and this type of online propaganda..]

Terrible news of course but jeez twitter would fry your head. Theres this little thing called a transfer window come Jan if Matip/Gomez/Fabinho get injured or dont perform. Far far from ideal but the world hasnt ended...my tuppence

Double edged sword really, many Liverpool fans have been quick to say Van Dijk was on Maldini level and this type of online propaganda....of course he was not. But now you will really see how good Van Dijk is, which is not really what any Liverpool fan wanted to see in practice.

Liverpool are still the best team in England without Van Dijk, however the pressure is now on Salah, Mane and most especially Firmino to lead their line.

Hes arguably better than Maldini.