It's hard to see how he can go back this side of the all Ireland Final.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/14/rory-gallagher-the-great-unmentionable-as-derry-win-ulster-final-on-penalties-against-armagh/
His absence in the wake of domestic abuse allegations by his ex-wife meant that the occasion could go off without everyone on tenterhooks. The last thing the Ulster Council wanted was an incident or a talking point.On television, RTÉ cut to an ad break before Conor Glass began his winning captain's speech, presumably erring on the side of caution.
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on May 15, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
dont believe this is true
Is that a fact though? Someone on another thread said that was nonsense and whoever posted it as fact should be called out for it...
Quote from: Ty4Sam on May 15, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
Fact? 100% true or another rumour??
I think if you have a starting point that all forwarded WhatsApp messages you get are a load of crap and then work back from there.
Sure there was another message he was in Dormans last night ffs!
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2023, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on May 15, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
Fact? 100% true or another rumour??
Another chap thinking hear say is factual information
Heard that Derrys sponsor Errigal Group turned the screw on the Derry board about RG "stepping back"
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 15, 2023, 02:14:19 PM
Heard that Derrys sponsor Errigal Group turned the screw on the Derry board about RG "stepping back"
Is that another fact??
I'd believe that one. I thought it was more than a coincidence that RG was gone, only a few hours after the bbc contacted Errigal looking for a comment regarding Gallagher.
Quote from: blasmere on May 15, 2023, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 15, 2023, 02:14:19 PM
Heard that Derrys sponsor Errigal Group turned the screw on the Derry board about RG "stepping back"
Is that another fact??
Well it's from a good source
Allianz , AIB and Supervalu will not want any association with anything controversial
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1657807511649484800
Quote from: Ty4Sam klink=topic=32019.msg2201562#msg2201562 date=1684154527
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
He did not.
Ciaran meenagh held a team meeting
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 15, 2023, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: blasmere on May 15, 2023, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 15, 2023, 02:14:19 PM
Heard that Derrys sponsor Errigal Group turned the screw on the Derry board about RG "stepping back"
Is that another fact??
Well it's from a good source
Your source is a bullshitter
Match done and dusted and Derry don't have another game for a couple of weeks. There is a window now for whatever investigations to be held.
The allegation that Derry were informed is extremely serious. Ultimately they will have to make a statement as to what they knew and what they did with that knowledge. Anybody advising them should work on the presumption that at some stage the full details will become known and consider what it is you want to be explaining at that stage. If a misstep (complete euphemism in the context) has taken place its better to own up than have it exposed/dragged out later. If there steps to be taken now then make sure they are decisions that you will be comfortable defending later.
At this current stage of the evolving story I can't see how any member of the Derry county board can appear in public or with a journalist and not be asked the fairly basic question as to whether they were one of the Board members that were told on one of the ones that weren't. It's not a question to be evasive on. That is not a sustainable position.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on May 15, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
Fact?? Ffs, world we live in, people can type any shite and it becomes fact. Meenagh took Saturdays session
Derry County Board apparently stating they received no such email from NG's Father last year, I would be surprised if the Sindo would state this in their article without asking to see. Brolly also made reference to the email in his column as well.
Quote from: LC on May 15, 2023, 06:36:16 PM
Derry County Board apparently stating they received no such email from NG's Father last year, I would be surprised if the Sindo would state this in their article without asking to see. Brolly also made reference to the email in his column as well.
they said they were investigating where/ to who the email was sent or wether it may have been sent to a defunct email address.
When did they change their email address ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2023, 07:37:00 PM
When did they change their email address ?
FFS why don't you ask them when they last had a shite as well when you are at it.
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
The fact that the Derry County Board did not acknowledge and / or respond to the email is the issue. If it is true it is hard not to accuse them of basically burying their heads in the sand.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
If you send sthing to my workplace accused me of such, ty be told contact police or whatever. Otherwise every person can contact a workplace with accusations.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 04:45:57 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on May 15, 2023, 01:42:07 PM
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
Fact?? Ffs, world we live in, people can type any shite and it becomes fact. Meenagh took Saturdays session
Were you at the training session ?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Before today Leenie you had one post in pretty much 3 years. From memory you were a decent poster. Poor form comin on spoutin this with no proof.
Edit - ive heard it from 3/4 different sources also. All gobshites on here...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 08:51:29 PM
If you send sthing to my workplace accused me of such, ty be told contact police or whatever. Otherwise every person can contact a workplace with accusations.
Why would anyone do that without a reason?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 15, 2023, 09:05:26 PM
Before today Leenie you had one post in pretty much 3 years. From memory you were a decent poster. Poor form comin on spoutin this with no proof.
Edit - ive heard it from 3/4 different sources also. All gobshites on here...
Your edit is directed at me I believe. I didn't say one way or the other if it was true. I have no idea. I wasn't there and I'm not from Derry. I was simply stating I've heard it from 3/4 different sources
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 15, 2023, 09:05:26 PM
Before today Leenie you had one post in pretty much 3 years. From memory you were a decent poster. Poor form comin on spoutin this with no proof.
Edit - ive heard it from 3/4 different sources also. All gobshites on here...
I haven't posted for a long time because of keyboard warriors however I still read posts ..I feel very strong about this situation .. I don't know what proof people are looking for
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 15, 2023, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam klink=topic=32019.msg2201562#msg2201562 date=1684154527
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
He did not.
Ciaran meenagh held a team meeting
I have to say I think this is more likely.
The Derry county board took abuse for not making a statement.
Can you imagine the outcry if it turned out Gallagher was anywhere near the panel after statement saying he was stepping back.
That would be stupidity of another magnitude.
In the modern world 1 person with a phone and its headline news.
I can't believe anyone would take that risk or allow it to be taken.
Leenie what hes done is bad enough and if the Derry board ignored an email then thats poor too. All will sort itself out without the need for baseless rumours to add to the thing
Tonto no not you in particular. Just seen the same thing repeated, and at a guess all coming from the gipe that posted it originally
I find it hard to believe Gallagher was in a bar last night and there haven't been pictures floating around WhatsApp all day!
Quote from: LC on May 15, 2023, 06:36:16 PM
Derry County Board apparently stating they received no such email from NG's Father last year, I would be surprised if the Sindo would state this in their article without asking to see. Brolly also made reference to the email in his column as well.
How convenient. Ignoring such an email would obviously have a very bad look.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 15, 2023, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 15, 2023, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam klink=topic=32019.msg2201562#msg2201562 date=1684154527
The fact he took a training session on Saturday in Derry may suggest otherwise.
He did not.
Ciaran meenagh held a team meeting
I have to say I think this is more likely.
The Derry county board took abuse for not making a statement.
Can you imagine the outcry if it turned out Gallagher was anywhere near the panel after statement saying he was stepping back.
That would be stupidity of another magnitude.
In the modern world 1 person with a phone and its headline news.
I can't believe anyone would take that risk or allow it to be taken.
It was a washy statement though he said he was stepping back as Manager which could mean he was still involved in background.
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2023, 09:29:58 PM
I find it hard to believe Gallagher was in a bar last night and there haven't been pictures floating around WhatsApp all day!
I think we need an RG GPS
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Eh? So your expecting GAA volunteers to perform criminal investigations?
Are they then expected to act as a jury on the outcome of said investigations? What about judge and executioner too while were at it?
The response can only be - "Sorry, you need to take this to the police. It is not appropriate or feasible that we be an investigator in these matters. With society here operating on an 'innocent until proven guilty' premise, Rory Gallagher will remain in charge of Derry unless we receive concerning information from the relevant authorities".
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In general, a bit concerned about the trial by social media thing gathering pace. If people are going to condemn someone based only on accusations, that is an extremely slippery slope to start down. Hypothetical argument; if [a,b,c] happened, how would you like it if the other party made accusations and you were sacked and turned into a pariah off the back of the accusations (be they completely false, embellished or true) before even having the chance to defend yourself?
[a - you got promoted ahead of someone and they were livid about it.]
[b - your marriage broke down]
[c - neighbour feud]
[etc etc]
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 15, 2023, 09:29:16 PM
Leenie what hes done is bad enough and if the Derry board ignored an email then thats poor too. All will sort itself out without the need for baseless rumours to add to the thing
Tonto no not you in particular. Just seen the same thing repeated, and at a guess all coming from the gipe that posted it originally
I heard it yesterday at the game. Before reading your man's post on here. As I've said before, I've no idea if true or not, so I will back out now.
I have two words regarding these allegations about Rory Gallagher. And they will be my last words on this forum.
Posters commentators and Media should be very aware that abuse comes in all shapes and forms. And in their haste to condemn they should be aware that everyone has rights and emotions , even the guilty, and we must be careful mot to be abusers ourselves.
My two last words are " Caroline Flack ".
Domestic violence should not be tolerated anywhere. Against women and men. i heard first hand at Clones yesterday young fella's singing "There's only one Rory Gallagher". Sensibly some older Derry fans told them to be quiet. A proper inquery needs to happen to see if Derry GAA actually got this e-mail. But fair play to the sensible Derry fans for stopping the younger drunk fans singing that.
Has a formal complaint been made against RG to the police?
If not, is there an onus on the police to investigate anyway?
RG may have a case to answer, and I have zero sympathy for bullies and women beaters, but it would seem his managerial career is over. Has he a job outside of the GAA?
Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
Team wasn't out in Dorman's
Quote from: Orior on May 15, 2023, 09:53:37 PM
Has a formal complaint been made against RG to the police?
If not, is there an onus on the police to investigate anyway?
RG may have a case to answer, and I have zero sympathy for bullies and women beaters, but it would seem his managerial career is over. Has he a job outside of the GAA?
The Gardai wanted to talk to his wife per her Sindo interview . Maybe the PSNI got the memo.
Quote from: Orior on May 15, 2023, 09:53:37 PM
Has a formal complaint been made against RG to the police?
If not, is there an onus on the police to investigate anyway?
RG may have a case to answer, and I have zero sympathy for bullies and women beaters, but it would seem his managerial career is over. Has he a job outside of the GAA?
Not just women beaters, there are some men in the same position. Domestic violence isn't black and white some men wont admit it. Its all wrong.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
The Derry team weren't in Dormans last night?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
That's total bullshit. The Derry team was in Dormans last night but Gallagher most definitely was not. There was a video doing the rounds but it was from last year in LTs. Gallagher has been no where near the Derry team since the announcement was made.
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 15, 2023, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
That's total bullshit. The Derry team was in Dormans last night but Gallagher most definitely was not. There was a video doing the rounds but it was from last year in LTs. Gallagher has been no where near the Derry team since the announcement was made.
The Derry team weren't in Dormans last night...
The video was LJ's last year...
Gallagher is finished in GAA circles. His name is toxic.
Nicola is an extremely brave and courageous woman.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 15, 2023, 10:28:35 PM
The Derry team weren't in Dormans last night...
The video was LJ's last year...
Yes LJs. Misheard my daughter. She was in Dormans last night and the team came in around 12.30 - 1.
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 15, 2023, 09:34:40 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Eh? So your expecting GAA volunteers to perform criminal investigations?
Are they then expected to act as a jury on the outcome of said investigations? What about judge and executioner too while were at it?
The response can only be - "Sorry, you need to take this to the police. It is not appropriate or feasible that we be an investigator in these matters. With society here operating on an 'innocent until proven guilty' premise, Rory Gallagher will remain in charge of Derry unless we receive concerning information from the relevant authorities".
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In general, a bit concerned about the trial by social media thing gathering pace. If people are going to condemn someone based only on accusations, that is an extremely slippery slope to start down. Hypothetical argument; if [a,b,c] happened, how would you like it if the other party made accusations and you were sacked and turned into a pariah off the back of the accusations (be they completely false, embellished or true) before even having the chance to defend yourself?
[a - you got promoted ahead of someone and they were livid about it.]
[b - your marriage broke down]
[c - neighbour feud]
[etc etc]
An incredible post. Show me where I said Derry had to conduct a criminal investigation?
I am gona go abit of track with one here, but I give a political example. Gerry Adams brother carry out was kept under wraps for yrs when things were said. Maria Cahill issue again kept under wraps. I didn't see anybody run a mile from backing Sinn Fein at the time. I seen to remember posters on here have a few choice words about Cahill. So Derry under the cosh here for sthing I don't think they really knew much about. What was Sinn Feins excuse at the time.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
The matter should be fully investigated by the police. Who cares about an email to a sporting organisation, why did the accuser, or her da, not go to the police?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
The matter should be fully investigated by the police. Who cares about an email to a sporting organisation, why did the accuser, ir her da, not go to the police?
I don't know that they didn't.
But I do t think it takes too much intelligence to realise that if a county board receives such a serious allegation that they need to take steps to, to the best of their ability, reassure themselves that there is no truth to the allegation. If they cannot get that assurance then they sever ties.
Unbelievable to claim that RG was out celebrating with the Derry team last night.....
Unless he was and there are photographs??
If false..... a clear example on the dangers of rumours......the power of social media or whatever I suppose...
Crazy....
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 15, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 15, 2023, 10:28:35 PM
The Derry team weren't in Dormans last night...
The video was LJ's last year...
Yes LJs. Misheard my daughter. She was in Dormans last night and the team came in around 12.30 - 1.
Same guy owns both I think and so must have started off in Mary's and ended up in Dormans then...
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 15, 2023, 09:48:17 PM
My two last words are " Caroline Flack ".
My two words are " jimmy saville ".
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
Of course they have a resposibility to act. If you have kids and they were bullied would you expect them to not act. But its a woman so they are open game. Of course they have a duty to act, and I would hope they would, and if you think its ok to say that then you are very much mistaken . Derry GAA have to stand up and finish this and not hide now. Too many people hiding.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
Can I get clarity on this .. Being a female poster and being called obtuse .. Am I ' annoyingly , insensitive, or slow to understand ' or am less than180 degrees "?
Last time I looked, it's the court of law that has to sort out the issues raised by the claimant but no, we get it sorted by the court of Facebook.
Its not facebook your on. Its the GAA Board your on. Truth will eventually come out!
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
You would expect the CB to act in its own interest but it depends on the context in practice.
https://youtu.be/iKr9wZpjBqE
In order for the CB to act there has to be a sense of jeopardy. It's like the quarter finals. Mrs Gallagher's Facebook post provided the jeopardy. She had to do it when the email didn't work. Once the sponsors hear about it it's game, set and match. RG's football intensity model ran out of gas in Fermanagh and Donegal but the Derry project won't get to its natural end.
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
No
But sure try it and see
How on earth are so many posters so out of the loop in here . Christ even non GAA people know at this stage .
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/16/jim-mcguinness-i-was-deeply-saddened-to-read-the-social-media-post-that-shocked-the-country/
Jim McGuinness
Tue May 16 2023 - 05:00
Like everybody else, I was deeply saddened to read the social media post that shocked the country last week. It truly was one of those moments in life that just stops you in your tracks.
In the days beforehand, I had been contemplating match-ups, considering tactics, wondering to what extent kick-outs would be pressed in an eagerly anticipated Ulster final. There were so many intriguing elements to the contest, but in the blink of an eye all of that was gone.
A different story had come to dominate conversations around the country. It was uncharted territory, leaving all of us trying to make sense of the situation as best we could.
There are big questions here for us collectively as a society to consider but if there is one thing we have learned from our history on this island, it is that silence is not the answer.
The days and weeks ahead are important ones for the GAA. For while the Ulster final might be over, the conversation that started in the middle of last week is clearly not.
I'd be very surprised if the donegal camp hadn't heard some of the rumours floating about including mcguinness. When they are just rumours though it is difficult to he sure I suppose
I heard this from a County Board member, perhaps he is also a bull shitter
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Heard that Derrys sponsor Errigal Group turned the screw on the Derry board about RG "stepping back"
Is that another fact??
Well it's from a good source
Your source is a bullshitter
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
Can I get clarity on this .. Being a female poster and being called obtuse .. Am I ' annoyingly , insensitive, or slow to understand ' or am less than180 degrees "?
Slow to understand. Wilfully so I would guess.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 12:03:41 AM
Last time I looked, it's the court of law that has to sort out the issues raised by the claimant but no, we get it sorted by the court of Facebook.
Nobody has actually said that. You do get that?
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So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
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Latest rumour now is that Gallagher took a session in Corduff club and had breakfast there after with team. And he was out in Dormans last night.
That's total bullshit. The Derry team was in Dormans last night but Gallagher most definitely was not. There was a video doing the rounds but it was from last year in LTs. Gallagher has been no where near the Derry team since the announcement was made.
The Derry team weren't in Dormans last night...
The video was LJ's last year...
Thats why I said rumour. Source is a whatsapp that has been "forwarded many times" so hardly damning evidence!
Derry appear to have a defunct email address on their website. They were very slow to respond to the allegations. Appreciate this is a very complex and difficult situation that they have found themselves in but they have been scrambling since Thursday.
Huge learnings here for counties and clubs.
People believing those Whatsapp rumours really have a very low intelligence level. There is zero chance Derry allow RG anywhere near the team.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
I've a relative that was out partying with the Derry team. Said there was no sign of RG.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 12:03:41 AM
Last time I looked, it's the court of law that has to sort out the issues raised by the claimant but no, we get it sorted by the court of Facebook.
Do you think she was wrong to upload that post to Facebook ?
Do you think that it was unfair that he was removed as Derry manager?
In terms of the alleged email without seeing full sight of the content it is wrong to comment on it, positively or negatively. If it went to a defunct email address then my experience is that generally something like that in most organisations have bounce on emails or auto replies, if they are official email addresses. If it was the like of a gmail account then that is more complicated.
I am not doubting the email but I have seen situations where emails were 'sent' but never 'received' so it's hard to know. There's an awful lot of he said/she said, supposition and denial. Somewhere in the middle you often find the truth. If a fraction of the allegations are true then there is a real question to be answered. My gut is that Nicola Gallagher does not put herself out there for public interrogation without there being sufficient substance to what is being alleged. Her parents are strong characters and she has people now backing her. The absence of denial from RG is hard to accept.
In terms of the GAA, I genuinely think they are in a difficult position until there is clarity on the email. If it was a case that no one saw the email then fair enough but if it could have been viewed by someone and ignored then there are questions, subject to the content of the email. If there were allegations of serious DV then they have an obligation to act on it, if only under their child protection policies for the children of the family. As someone who has been part of this there is a strong onus where there may be concerns for children....but as I said we don't know the actual content.
This has gone way past Denial Stage. She has made it all Public and family law cases ae normall far to complex to be Covered by a single statement .
no (reputational) Good Can come out of a court room People think they have the Facts and will judge accordingly.
As regards Football the Derry board have to make a call and they will be wrong either way
Why is this all being dumped on Derry as if they have any legal authority to investigate anything? Why are people on social media not hounding everyone else from the story in Sunday's paper which Mrs Gallagher said failed her - The PSNI, the PPS and the Western Health Trust? The organisations who should be investigating and dealing with and who have the authority to do so, not the Derry County Board or any other County Board in the country for that matter.
But that doesn't suit the narrative for the faux outrage and rumour spreading for a few on here who are more interested in taking glee that Rory Gallagher has been taken down due to their dislike of him before this news than any welfare considerations for Mrs Gallagher herself. Derry are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
I know that my e-mail accounts are set up to filter out emails from spam accounts which would include unknown addresses, they will automatically go to junk and there could be up to a couple of dozen coming in there every day.
I never look at it unless someone claims they've sent me an email which I haven't received, which does happen on occasion.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 16, 2023, 10:55:29 AM
Why is this all being dumped on Derry as if they have any legal authority to investigate anything? Why are people on social media not hounding everyone else from the story in Sunday's paper which Mrs Gallagher said failed her - The PSNI, the PPS and the Western Health Trust? The organisations who should be investigating and dealing with and who have the authority to do so, not the Derry County Board or any other County Board in the country for that matter.
But that doesn't suit the narrative for the faux outrage and rumour spreading for a few on here who are more interested in taking glee that Rory Gallagher has been taken down due to their dislike of him before this news than any welfare considerations for Mrs Gallagher herself. Derry are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
If I was from Derry I'd be wanting to disassociate with RG completely unless he made a statement containing a clear, robust denial of all allegations.
An innocent man would absolutely refute something of such a serious nature right from the off - RG hasn't done this - just a waffle statement from his solicitors. Whether guilty or not, these allegations are bringing Derry GAA and the organisation as a whole into disrepute. It's literally that black and white. For a society that suffered the brunt of the British judicial system, we should know that you don't always need a court of law to determine guilt or innocence.
I have zero sympathy for the man, and previous to last week's revelations I actually had some admiration for him.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 16, 2023, 10:55:29 AM
Why is this all being dumped on Derry as if they have any legal authority to investigate anything? Why are people on social media not hounding everyone else from the story in Sunday's paper which Mrs Gallagher said failed her - The PSNI, the PPS and the Western Health Trust? The organisations who should be investigating and dealing with and who have the authority to do so, not the Derry County Board or any other County Board in the country for that matter.
But that doesn't suit the narrative for the faux outrage and rumour spreading for a few on here who are more interested in taking glee that Rory Gallagher has been taken down due to their dislike of him before this news than any welfare considerations for Mrs Gallagher herself. Derry are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
We don't know much about the back story. We don't know who else she wrote to.
And it isn't "faux outrage". A woman was brutalised over a prolonged period and there has been no denial to date.
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Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 16, 2023, 10:55:29 AM
Why is this all being dumped on Derry as if they have any legal authority to investigate anything? Why are people on social media not hounding everyone else from the story in Sunday's paper which Mrs Gallagher said failed her - The PSNI, the PPS and the Western Health Trust? The organisations who should be investigating and dealing with and who have the authority to do so, not the Derry County Board or any other County Board in the country for that matter.
But that doesn't suit the narrative for the faux outrage and rumour spreading for a few on here who are more interested in taking glee that Rory Gallagher has been taken down due to their dislike of him before this news than any welfare considerations for Mrs Gallagher herself. Derry are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
If I was from Derry I'd be wanting to disassociate with RG completely unless he made a statement containing a clear, robust denial of all allegations.
An innocent man would absolutely refute something of such a serious nature right from the off - RG hasn't done this - just a waffle statement from his solicitors. Whether guilty or not, these allegations are bringing Derry GAA and the organisation as a whole into disrepute. It's literally that black and white. For a society that suffered the brunt of the British judicial system, we should know that you don't always need a court of law to determine guilt or innocence.
I have zero sympathy for the man, and previous to last week's revelations I actually had some admiration for him.
Nail on head.
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Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 16, 2023, 10:55:29 AM
Why is this all being dumped on Derry as if they have any legal authority to investigate anything? Why are people on social media not hounding everyone else from the story in Sunday's paper which Mrs Gallagher said failed her - The PSNI, the PPS and the Western Health Trust? The organisations who should be investigating and dealing with and who have the authority to do so, not the Derry County Board or any other County Board in the country for that matter.
But that doesn't suit the narrative for the faux outrage and rumour spreading for a few on here who are more interested in taking glee that Rory Gallagher has been taken down due to their dislike of him before this news than any welfare considerations for Mrs Gallagher herself. Derry are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
We don't know much about the back story. We don't know who else she wrote to.
And it isn't "faux outrage". A woman was brutalised over a prolonged period and there has been no denial to date.
You misunderstood me. I'm in no way defending Rory Gallagher. If a fraction of the allegations are true then he should face the consequences. All I'm pointing out is that there are certain posters with a fixation on seeing Gallagher fall by any means necessary who appear to have little or no regard for Nicola Gallagher as she is secondary in their thoughts.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2023, 11:08:58 AM
I know that my e-mail accounts are set up to filter out emails from spam accounts which would include unknown addresses, they will automatically go to junk and there could be up to a couple of dozen coming in there every day.
I never look at it unless someone claims they've sent me an email which I haven't received, which does happen on occasion.
Spam is what you use a spam filter, Gmail does a good job on this. The GAA can hardly filter out emails from unknown addresses unless it keeps a database of all its member's emails.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
An incredible post. Show me where I said Derry had to conduct a criminal investigation?
Right here (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=32019.msg2201685#msg2201685): "the matter will have to be fully investigated" along with all the preceding sentences
Then straight after, again (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=32019.msg2201755#msg2201755) you were at it: "if a county board receives such a serious allegation that they need to take steps to, to the best of their ability, reassure themselves that there is no truth to the allegation"
Unless your happy with a half-assed investigation by ill-equipped and ill-qualified volunteers that could turn up anything? Oh wait, you'd likely be first in the queue to decry them for not doing it right.
All the CB could do would be to ask the person the allegation was made against, and take their word for it if they plead their innocence. They aren't in a position to do anything else.
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
An incredible post. Show me where I said Derry had to conduct a criminal investigation?
Right here (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=32019.msg2201685#msg2201685): "the matter will have to be fully investigated" along with all the preceding sentences
Then straight after, again (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=32019.msg2201755#msg2201755) you were at it: "if a county board receives such a serious allegation that they need to take steps to, to the best of their ability, reassure themselves that there is no truth to the allegation"
Unless your happy with a half-assed investigation by ill-equipped and ill-qualified volunteers that could turn up anything? Oh wait, you'd likely be first in the queue to decry them for not doing it right.
All the CB could do would be to ask the person the allegation was made against, and take their word for it if they plead their innocence. They aren't in a position to do anything else.
And not one of those posts by me even mention a
criminal investigation.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.
If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.
Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Have a read of this, I posted on the other thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 16, 2023, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
She was probably weaker than she is now. He was probably more convincing than he would be now. The Social workers have a number of cases to deal with per month and perhaps they didn't have time to give this case a thorough assessment.
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
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Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2023, 11:08:58 AM
I know that my e-mail accounts are set up to filter out emails from spam accounts which would include unknown addresses, they will automatically go to junk and there could be up to a couple of dozen coming in there every day.
I never look at it unless someone claims they've sent me an email which I haven't received, which does happen on occasion.
Spam is what you use a spam filter, Gmail does a good job on this. The GAA can hardly filter out emails from unknown addresses unless it keeps a database of all its member's emails.
If I need to receive an email from an unknown address I generally need to send them an email first to which they will reply, otherwise the filter will treat it as spam and it will go into junk. There are infinite variations of filters which treat spam differently of course.
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
Taking the football out of it seems to have helped.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
What does it matter if the accuser's father emailed the Derry board? Surely if someone emailed my work with such an accusation they would be told wrong direction, contact the police.
Not really.
Do you think is all the responsibility a community sports organisation has?
Do you think that's what their members would want?
Do you think that what their sponsors would want?
Do you think that's what potential funding agencies would want?
Do you think that would be the best way to protect the game that you are there to nurture would be?
The matter will have to be fully investigated. Was the mail sent? Was it received? Who the did the recipient share it with? What they do next? These should not be difficult questions to answer.
Sponsorship and funding needs to go into domestic violence ... Nurturing your club and it's members also needs role models and lessons that no man \ woman has any right ever to lift their hand to someone ..
Genuinely think you are just being obtuse here.
Do you accept that Derry, if they received this warning, had a duty to act?
Can I get clarity on this .. Being a female poster and being called obtuse .. Am I ' annoyingly , insensitive, or slow to understand ' or am less than180 degrees "?
Slow to understand. Wilfully so I would guess.
leenie I THINK smelmoth was replying to nrico2006 and mixed your reply up with the latter's. There is no way the statement highlighted in bold could be described as obtuse.
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Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
We know that she made a complaint about domestic abuse but that the PPS didn't go ahead with it.
I don't know what the relevance of 24 is, really. There is more data than just the FB post.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
Are you shagging RG on the side? Jesus never seen a man as passionate for him as you since the news broke
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 08:17:53 PM
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
Are you shagging RG on the side? Jesus never seen a man as passionate for him as you since the news broke
Very unlikeable individual but this trial by media craic sickens my hole.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Why don't you research coercive control?
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.
If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.
Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.
Well in my experience criminal investigations are carried out by the police.
The questions that I and other feel Derry should have asked when they became aware of the allegations have already been set out. But I am sure in time Derry will confirm all of this.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 16, 2023, 08:27:03 PM
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
Are you shagging RG on the side? Jesus never seen a man as passionate for him as you since the news broke
Very unlikeable individual but this trial by media craic sickens my hole.
Good job you weren't about to tell Chris Mullan that!
Sometimes journalists have to do the work that the judicial system gets wrong.
What sickens my hole is that someone who may have abused his wife for years might get away with it.
It's now a.matter of fact that he beat her so badly she ended up in Monaghan hospital. ( or is Stephen Maguires wife making it all up?)
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
Are you shagging RG on the side? Jesus never seen a man as passionate for him as you since the news broke
Very unlikeable individual but this trial by media craic sickens my hole.
Trial by social media is just trial by pub talk / tea gossip.. It's always happened just people have larger audience nowadays
Resigned
The right call... it should have been made last week when he couldn't deny the allegations.
Hopefully we can focus on the football from now on!
He has resigned. Pushed I would guess.
Biggest news here is whatever that was last week wasn't him resigning and he did think there was a way back.
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Biggest news here is whatever that was last week wasn't him resigning and he did think there was a way back.
Very true. The guy has no ability to read the room.
Quote from: SaffronSports on May 16, 2023, 10:07:11 PM
Biggest news here is whatever that was last week wasn't him resigning and he did think there was a way back.
Crazy....
I took it as done last week!
The Derry Co Board are annoying me more and more with their no statement bullshit.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 16, 2023, 09:54:10 AM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 16, 2023, 11:40:15 PM
The Derry Co Board are annoying me more and more with their no statement bullshit.
Gallagher deserves the book to be thrown at him and I hope he does time for the awful abuse he has dished out to his poor wife over the years.
However maybe I'm being naive but I can't see why the major witch hunt against the Derry board in the wake of all this.
They may or may not have got an email but by not speaking out it's not like they were protecting him like the Catholic Church used to protect paedophiles who were free to abuse again and again.
I would think most of this abuse was in the past so I'd think it is unlikely that he would be offending again in the same way.
Before I get a written battering I'd like to say I totally abhor all violence.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 16, 2023, 08:27:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 05:02:05 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 16, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 16, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the measured commentary on here on this situation.
What we know is that Nicola was brutally abused for 24years and was forced to turn to alcohol in an attempt to cope and save her kids. Witnesses have come forward to back up the allegations. Rory has not denied any aspect of the allegations and instead chose to smear his ex wife and use her alcohol problem as a deflection.
These are the facts.
Until there is a clear denial on his part then he can have no part in any GAA team and I believe Derry and Ulster GAA should be much stronger on this in public as I believe they are behind the scenes. As it stands Gallagher will never be involved in the GAA again.
We don't know for a fact that she was abused for 24 years and so forth. A Facebook post doesn't turn someone's narrative into undeniable truth.
Witnesses have come forward to state they witnessed actions referred to in her statement. This would suggest that the claims are factual.
Where have you read testimony of impartial witnesses? Please don't tell me Facebook.
Are you shagging RG on the side? Jesus never seen a man as passionate for him as you since the news broke
Very unlikeable individual but this trial by media craic sickens my hole.
Me too; but jesus given what we're hearing and the lack of denial I think it doesnt take much to work out the truth
will he not show up at some club team in a few years
RG has been working for Corduff for the past 2 years with Banty some eye watering amount for each session was been Bantyied about.
Quote from: thebuzz on May 16, 2023, 11:51:09 PM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
So anyone can email a county board with an allegation and they must stand down the manager?
Who has actually said that?
It's not so much as said that, but people have done it and it works. The case here in question I'm totally behind Mrs Gallagher my point is that anyone can send an email or go on to social media and make claims about someone.
Would you be happy if you had allegations (true or false) made public via social media that would have wider implications on your kids and job and that would have even more implications on caring for your children should you lose your job over it?
The courts are there for a reason, to settle these issues. Court by social media though seems to be the way of the world.
Nobody is saying the courts should not do their job but right back at the beginning of this the "suspended pending investigation" route was explained and what steps you would need to take before suspending the individual.
Derry had their own decision to make and steps to take. All of which have already been set out.
Put yourself in Derry CB's position if they did get that email from Nicola's dad.
Your response would be that due to the seriousness of the allegations that he should go to the police with them.
In the meantime you'd have a duty of care to all to face Rory with what you've been informed about and as we've seen from his release, he probably told them (or would have told them) that these claims have been "dealt with" during the custody case and he's been cleared and now has custody of the children.
What do Derry CB do next?
They really can't be ignoring an email of that type all the same, that's really bad if they did.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 16, 2023, 11:40:15 PM
The Derry Co Board are annoying me more and more with their no statement bullshit.
Gallagher deserves the book to be thrown at him and I hope he does time for the awful abuse he has dished out to his poor wife over the years.
However maybe I'm being naive but I can't see why the major witch hunt against the Derry board in the wake of all this.
They may or may not have got an email but by not speaking out it's not like they were protecting him like the Catholic Church used to protect paedophiles who were free to abuse again and again.
I would think most of this abuse was in the past so I'd think it is unlikely that he would be offending again in the same way.
Before I get a written battering I'd like to say I totally abhor all violence.
He would still be there only croke park stepped in and gave them the ultimatum. It did happen well in the past and there in lyes the problem. A few Derry posters like yourself think the same, it's nothing to do with yous. Your mindset seems to be it happened well in the past so he's unlikely to do it again.
Quote from: skeog on May 17, 2023, 02:35:22 AM
RG has been working for Corduff for the past 2 years with Banty some eye watering amount for each session was been Bantyied about.
Add in Loughmacrory and Enniskillen Gaels
RG's solicitor delivered a very poor and a very complacent statement on Thursday if his client resigned on the following Tuesday. Whoever was advising Mrs Gallagher goes forward to the round robins. The timing of the Facebook post was key.
Quote from: SaffronSports on May 16, 2023, 10:07:11 PM
Biggest news here is whatever that was last week wasn't him resigning and he did think there was a way back.
He couldn't reply to the Sunday Independent interview given all the developments since his statement. Now he is losing money. It's like a like a Greek tragedy. Weird for someone who is so experienced in defensive systems.
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Quote from: skeog on May 17, 2023, 02:35:22 AM
RG has been working for Corduff for the past 2 years with Banty some eye watering amount for each session was been Bantyied about.
Add in Loughmacrory and Enniskillen Gaels
What was he doing with the Gaels outside of some free sessions with one of their underage teams?
So have they arrested and charged him this time? Surely with the amount of statements flying about they'll make it stick now, are the children still with him?
One for you legal experts out there. While it would seem there was a legal process previously resulting in RG getting full custody of the children surely is there not now grounds and / or is it possible for this to be reviewed / appealed in light of recent developments?
Is the gaaboard the place for speculation on who gets custody of someone's children!?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 17, 2023, 07:56:24 AM
Is the gaaboard the place for speculation on who gets custody of someone's children!?
Absolutely not.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 12:23:31 AM
will he not show up at some club team in a few years
Surely any club would know that in the present state of affairs (absence of a clear denial of wrongdoing) the appointment would, rightly, be unsustainable.
RG is not powerless here. He could start by stating his innocence.
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Quote from: skeog on May 17, 2023, 02:35:22 AM
RG has been working for Corduff for the past 2 years with Banty some eye watering amount for each session was been Bantyied about.
Add in Loughmacrory and Enniskillen Gaels
What was he doing with the Gaels outside of some free sessions with one of their underage teams?
Surely all the sessions he does are for free?😉
Quote from: LC on May 17, 2023, 07:36:20 AM
One for you legal experts out there. While it would seem there was a legal process previously resulting in RG getting full custody of the children surely is there not now grounds and / or is it possible for this to be reviewed / appealed in light of recent developments?
Again not commenting on the specifics of any case but unless prevented from doing so by court order any party can bring an application to the family court if there is a significant change in circumstances. A party can not relitigate an issue that has already been litigated though (that should be done through appeals which have time limits) and one of the first questions is often if this was known at the time of previous applications why was it not raised. I know nothing of the specifics of any case and therefore can not comment on what may or could happen.
He'll have to explain himself to mothers in Carrickmacross and Loughmacrory as well.
Some stories break out of sport and become generally known.
He won't be doing any coaching anywhere.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 17, 2023, 07:56:24 AM
Is the gaaboard the place for speculation on who gets custody of someone's children!?
Seems ok to speculate anything on here so fire away
Have it on good authority JKC came calling for the 5Series back as well. It probably wont stop there.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2023, 08:15:24 AM
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Quote from: redzone on May 17, 2023, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: skeog on May 17, 2023, 02:35:22 AM
RG has been working for Corduff for the past 2 years with Banty some eye watering amount for each session was been Bantyied about.
Add in Loughmacrory and Enniskillen Gaels
What was he doing with the Gaels outside of some free sessions with one of their underage teams?
Surely all the sessions he does are for free?😉
In with them at championship time training sessions
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 08:21:36 AM
He'll have to explain himself to mothers in Carrickmacross and Loughmacrory as well.
Some stories break out of sport and become generally known.
He won't be doing any coaching anywhere.
Like all bad news stories, this wont be getting talked about in a week and I would put a pound on that if not in the coming weeks then months, clubs around this country will be looking at new managers for 2024 and he will be getting approached or working for some club somewhere I'd say soon enough (whether that right or wrong is up for serious debate)
I think the worst thing, apart from his abuse of this woman is how it all seems to have just got brushed under the carpet until now. If it had been made public away back at the time, took his sentence/penance whatever, then he could have moved on somewhat slowly in terms of family, career etc but now it is all coming back to haunt him and his kids are that bit older and wiser so he has big problems there now too. So at some point when he was beating this poor woman he decided that he would try to hide all this and continue working away nicely and successfully but now has been outed by the person he abused which is entirely the right thing.
So in no way condoning what he has done, but for the sake of them all they will need to move on, the GAA needs to improve a lot on how this could have happened as its likely county boards knew about it all along too, but any man deserves their second chance and he will be working again in county football I imagine down the line somewhere, but going back in quietly somewhere I think via a few clubs
Disagree. I dont think he be near a County again as there would be an outcry. Time will tell
There must be a few GAA managers who are wifes beaters out there sweating it out!
Can of worms.
This not going to go away quietly any time soon.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
There must be a few GAA managers who are wifes beaters out there sweating it out!
Has to be!
I will add - that Derry are the ones sort of being made to look bad at the minute but I don't think thats right. At the time of these terrible events, Gallagher had a circle of men no doubt (footballing men), between whatever clubs and county he was with for that period. I have no doubt, as word does travel (and if that woman and her family were making any attempts to let ones know what was happening), that quite a few knew and its that clique and RG that need to pay some form of compensation to this poor woman for everything that she has been put through. they have all lied and tried to ignore it like it was nothing and once they knew they were proceeding as normal so as to do for their club and county as normal then they are all in same boat in my eye. they all should be taken to account and thats where the GAA need to explore further and be seen to act !!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 17, 2023, 09:29:54 AM
Disagree. I dont think he be near a County again as there would be an outcry. Time will tell
No county or club will touch him with a barge pole for a very long time, do not know what his day job is but I would imagine he could be on shaky ground there as well.
His only way back, and it is a very big if, would be if he did a Lance Armstrong / Oprah type interview and hold his hands up.
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
That'll will certainly help the kids going forward... disaster
QuoteAgain not commenting on the specifics of any case but unless prevented from doing so by court order any party can bring an application to the family court if there is a significant change in circumstances. A party can not relitigate an issue that has already been litigated though (that should be done through appeals which have time limits) and one of the first questions is often if this was known at the time of previous applications why was it not raised. I know nothing of the specifics of any case and therefore can not comment on what may or could happen.
So estoppel comes into play? Shurley it would depend on the type of case brought forward? It appears at the time that not enough evidence was available to bring a case forward?
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
What happens to a man like this now? He is done in football and I'm sure he will find it hard getting a job outside of football.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
What happens to a man like this now? He is done in football and I'm sure he will find it hard getting a job outside of football.
Did he have a regular job outside of football ?
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
What happens to a man like this now? He is done in football and I'm sure he will find it hard getting a job outside of football.
Was going to say this myself. Society takes a very dim view to stuff like this now.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 17, 2023, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
What happens to a man like this now? He is done in football and I'm sure he will find it hard getting a job outside of football.
Did he have a regular job outside of football ?
Is he still with the shop?
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 17, 2023, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:00:40 AM
Gallagher is finished in the GAA. I see his webpage for the firm he works with is gone as well.
What happens to a man like this now? He is done in football and I'm sure he will find it hard getting a job outside of football.
Did he have a regular job outside of football ?
Yes he worked for a recruitment firm setup by two Donegal lads. 3D Personnel. I'd say he's still there. They can't just sack him. But his info is off the site. The company works across the UK so (and this is a complete guess) I'd say they'll move him over there were it's a bit quieter.
He also managed shops before that. I think his ex-wife's parents owned a few that he worked in.
If the kids are taken off him, he'll hardly be able to support them financially with no job, desperate times. Some fall from grace
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 10:12:25 AM
If the kids are taken off him, he'll hardly be able to support them financially with no job, desperate times. Some fall from grace
Ok settle down. There's no indication he has lost his job.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 10:12:25 AM
If the kids are taken off him, he'll hardly be able to support them financially with no job, desperate times. Some fall from grace
Ok settle down. There's no indication he has lost his job.
Would you employ him? He's lost some revenue already
I wouldn't employ him but how can he be sacked unless prosecuted? And if he's finished in football, and still not prosecuted, there could yet be a very grey area for Derry, who I assume weren't giving him wine gums for his troubles. A lot of ground still to cover in this one. This man was never prosecuted and maybe never will be with statute of limitations and lack of evidence
Not saying sacked here, but going forward with the internet after him it's not great for your CV or as his current employer would be getting the #crowd after their business
If he was in rugby or soccer he would perhaps be able to move abroad. Doesn't have that option here though as the GAA community is small. He's finished in county football. Would be very surprised if any club touches him either.
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 08:55:37 PM
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And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.
If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.
Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.
Well in my experience criminal investigations are carried out by the police.
The questions that I and other feel Derry should have asked when they became aware of the allegations have already been set out. But I am sure in time Derry will confirm all of this.
there are other agencies which carry out criminal investigations
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Under serious pressure. And therein lies the problem. It's not a job strictly speaking. But of course we all know that it is as good as. This man has nothing to lose. He could expose a lot of very questionable goings on
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Under serious pressure. And therein lies the problem. It's not a job strictly speaking. But of course we all know that it is as good as. This man has nothing to lose. He could expose a lot of very questionable goings on
Ok please provide the evidence. He's resigned. That is key.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Under serious pressure. And therein lies the problem. It's not a job strictly speaking. But of course we all know that it is as good as. This man has nothing to lose. He could expose a lot of very questionable goings on
I dare say the incident at a Hotel on a team training weekend with Fermanagh would cause him more hassle if it came out than anything he could reveal about Derry etc
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
There must be a few GAA managers who are wifes beaters out there sweating it out!
If they are out there I hope they are sweating about it and get what is coming to them
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 17, 2023, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.
If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.
Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.
Well in my experience criminal investigations are carried out by the police.
The questions that I and other feel Derry should have asked when they became aware of the allegations have already been set out. But I am sure in time Derry will confirm all of this.
there are other agencies which carry out criminal investigations
Who is going to come after him, H&S executive, Trading Standards, Fire Service?
Quote from: bennydorano on May 17, 2023, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 17, 2023, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
And not one of those posts by me even mention a criminal investigation.
If you are wanting someone to investigate a potential crime, determine the truth and then take action based on the outcome of said investigation, then it is a criminal investigation.
Criminal investigations can be conducted by people other than the police you know.
Well in my experience criminal investigations are carried out by the police.
The questions that I and other feel Derry should have asked when they became aware of the allegations have already been set out. But I am sure in time Derry will confirm all of this.
there are other agencies which carry out criminal investigations
Who is going to come after him, H&S executive, Trading Standards, Fire Service?
who said anything about going after him? I was just stating there are more agencies than the police that carry out criminal investigations
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Under serious pressure. And therein lies the problem. It's not a job strictly speaking. But of course we all know that it is as good as. This man has nothing to lose. He could expose a lot of very questionable goings on
Ok please provide the evidence. He's resigned. That is key.
Not for me to provide the evidence. That's his prerogative, if he has it. If he doesn't he walks away with his tail between his legs. It's important to remember that there wasn't the evidence to charge him previously. There might well be now, or there might not. If there isn't, we're in very dangerous territory. It would nearly be better for everyone except him if there was
Derry probably will get to QF this year but they could be in trouble next year without the presence of Gallagher. It was him who built the empire.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 17, 2023, 11:18:40 AM
Derry probably will get to QF this year but they could be in trouble next year without the presence of Gallagher. It was him who built the empire.
You need to look up the meaning of empire.
This thread is an absolute head f**k.
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 17, 2023, 11:18:40 AM
Derry probably will get to QF this year but they could be in trouble next year without the presence of Gallagher. It was him who built the empire.
You need to look up the meaning of empire.
This thread is an absolute head f**k.
I know, close it down and lets move on to the next witch hut
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 17, 2023, 11:18:40 AM
Derry probably will get to QF this year but they could be in trouble next year without the presence of Gallagher. It was him who built the empire.
Derry have a very low number of Ulster titles. He added 2 .
Talk about throwing it all away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1670s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBW8Vnp8BzU
Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
There must be a few GAA managers who are wifes beaters out there sweating it out!
If they are out there I hope they are sweating about it and get what is coming to them
If what Nicola has done enables more people to speak out if they're suffering from DV then GAA managers and whoever fúck else is at it should be sweating and rightly so.
The days of going to the priest who invariably told the woman to keep stum for the sake of the marriage/family name/kids are long gone and that's a good thing.
Quote from: Abble on May 17, 2023, 09:54:02 AM
I will add - that Derry are the ones sort of being made to look bad at the minute but I don't think thats right. At the time of these terrible events, Gallagher had a circle of men no doubt (footballing men), between whatever clubs and county he was with for that period. I have no doubt, as word does travel (and if that woman and her family were making any attempts to let ones know what was happening), that quite a few knew and its that clique and RG that need to pay some form of compensation to this poor woman for everything that she has been put through. they have all lied and tried to ignore it like it was nothing and once they knew they were proceeding as normal so as to do for their club and county as normal then they are all in same boat in my eye. they all should be taken to account and thats where the GAA need to explore further and be seen to act !!
Derry have questions to answer. They might even have answers. We will find out in time.
Others might have questions to answer as well.
A lot of rumours around about how long the allegations against Gallagher have been floating around and how much various counties knew. The grates will lifted on all of this.
But the fact that others Amy have questions to answer is not a reason to ask nobody. That really would be brushing it under the carpet. This is 2023, brushing stuff under the carpet doesn't work as it looks so much worse when exposed.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 17, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Agreed. Somebody might get caught in a very costly crossfire here. It's fine saying we should burn him at the stake and he should stand down/lose his job, but until he's prosecuted, he could be very dangerous to Derry, the GAA and his employer
He's resigned from the Derry job.
Under serious pressure. And therein lies the problem. It's not a job strictly speaking. But of course we all know that it is as good as. This man has nothing to lose. He could expose a lot of very questionable goings on
I dare say the incident at a Hotel on a team training weekend with Fermanagh would cause him more hassle if it came out than anything he could reveal about Derry etc
What does this mean? You know something even though it hasn't "come out"?. That must mean you were there!
The resignation takes a lot of the heat off Derry. The next match will a lot less complicated. No awkward post match questions.
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 01:17:31 PM
The resignation takes a lot of the heat off Derry. The next match will a lot less complicated. No awkward post match questions.
It removes the time pressure. Don't have to answer questions about him remaining in situ.
Still have the retrospective questions to answer though.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/rory-gallagher-had-to-go-but-the-issue-of-domestic-violence-doesnt-go-away-just-because-he-has/
"Nicola Gallagher's interview in the Sunday Independent increased the pressure on Rory Gallagher and on Derry GAA. Rightly or wrongly, a Facebook post can have holes picked in it in a way that doesn't happen with a face-to-face interview in a mainstream Sunday newspaper.
Beyond that, the mood among the grassroots of Derry GAA evolved over the week as well. In conversations with people on the ground in the middle of last week, it was easy to find a portion of them citing 'trial-by-social-media'. It was even discernible here and there in Clones on Sunday. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone credible saying it out loud now. " 8) 8)
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2023, 01:20:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 01:17:31 PM
The resignation takes a lot of the heat off Derry. The next match will a lot less complicated. No awkward post match questions.
It removes the time pressure. Don't have to answer questions about him remaining in situ.
Still have the retrospective questions to answer though.
Yeah but that'll be easier than the last week. They were dragged into a national story overnight.
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
Before he could do that he's have to acknowledge there's an issue to overcome, get the required support etc etc, but his first public release suggests he maybe doesn't see that he may have an issue but there could be more in-depth thought going on in private.
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
if allegations are true he should not be anywhere near the sport again, at least without a lengthy spell inside.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 17, 2023, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
Before he could do that he's have to acknowledge there's an issue to overcome, get the required support etc etc, but his first public release suggests he maybe doesn't see that he may have an issue but there could be more in-depth thought going on in private.
Nothing will change unless he is honest with himself. Many GAA stars have had problems with drink and gambling that required similar processes
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Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
if allegations are true he should not be anywhere near the sport again, at least without a lengthy spell inside.
That goes for anyone in any sport, but in reality, that's not going to happen, there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA.
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
People say this but they usually score more than the other team.
So how can that style be negative?
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
People say this but they usually score more than the other team.
So how can that style be negative?
Half the teams in the country now use a similar approach.
Armagh did it at the weekend.
Galway have been doing it for 2 years.
Tyrone dabble with it.
But no, they're not negative. Only the RG or Jim McGuinness teams are negative for some reason.
For me, that's a lack of understanding of a style of play.
Derry defend as 15 and attack as 15. So if we are a defensive team because we defend 15 behind the ball, then by definition we are an attacking team pushing 15 up the pitch.
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
Am sorry, but even with my rose-tinted glasses that is simply a lazy statement you have regurgitated from other lazy analysts.
Derry are a decent side but nothing to suggest they have enough depth to be serious contenders . Far too much reliance on mcguigan too . Top drawer footballer though that's for sure .
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2023, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
if allegations are true he should not be anywhere near the sport again, at least without a lengthy spell inside.
That goes for anyone in any sport, but in reality, that's not going to happen, there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA.
How can you make this assumption? What are you basing this on?
The reason the GAA don't know how to handle this is because it's never really come up that much before as far as I'm aware.
There may be countless offenders in the General Public but I don't see why it has to follow that 'there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA'.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
People say this but they usually score more than the other team.
So how can that style be negative?
Half the teams in the country now use a similar approach.
Armagh did it at the weekend.
Galway have been doing it for 2 years.
Tyrone dabble with it.
But no, they're not negative. Only the RG or Jim McGuinness teams are negative for some reason.
For me, that's a lack of understanding of a style of play.
Derry defend as 15 and attack as 15. So if we are a defensive team because we defend 15 behind the ball, then by definition we are an attacking team pushing 15 up the pitch.
Granted I don't see a lot of Derry but form the game against Galway last year to what I've seen this year, Sunday included, they are a much better and more attacking side
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
People say this but they usually score more than the other team.
So how can that style be negative?
Half the teams in the country now use a similar approach.
Armagh did it at the weekend.
Galway have been doing it for 2 years.
Tyrone dabble with it.
But no, they're not negative. Only the RG or Jim McGuinness teams are negative for some reason.
For me, that's a lack of understanding of a style of play.
Derry defend as 15 and attack as 15. So if we are a defensive team because we defend 15 behind the ball, then by definition we are an attacking team pushing 15 up the pitch.
I think it's you that lacks in understanding.
A team that moves the ball forward quickly by kicking it forward to try to create one on ones is an attacking team. That same team could still end up with 15 behind the ball. They may not want to but the end up doing so because of what the opposition does.
If you are playing against a team that when it wins possession it plays the ball sideways, stands still, sideways again, backwards, sideways and then incrementally forward with the only forward movement being a no risk fist pass or a solo run then they are going to edge up so slowly with 14 or 15 men that you are going to get dragged back into a packed defence. That doesn't make you a defensive team and it certainly doesn't make the team with the 14/15 forward an attacking team.
A team that when possession is conceded automatically results in a concession of territory because they immediately track back with no attempt to win the ball back high is also a defensive team. Derry are not a good watch. Nor was McGuinness' Donegal. There are other teams that are poor to watch.
But the argument that because Derry have 14 or 15 forward on occasion they are an attacking team is frankly bollocks. They are the most defensive team on the go at the moment. Though Down look at them enviously.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2023, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.
People say this but they usually score more than the other team.
So how can that style be negative?
Half the teams in the country now use a similar approach.
Armagh did it at the weekend.
Galway have been doing it for 2 years.
Tyrone dabble with it.
But no, they're not negative. Only the RG or Jim McGuinness teams are negative for some reason.
For me, that's a lack of understanding of a style of play.
Derry defend as 15 and attack as 15. So if we are a defensive team because we defend 15 behind the ball, then by definition we are an attacking team pushing 15 up the pitch.
I think it's you that lacks in understanding.
A team that moves the ball forward quickly by kicking it forward to try to create one on ones is an attacking team. That same team could still end up with 15 behind the ball. They may not want to but the end up doing so because of what the opposition does.
If you are playing against a team that when it wins possession it plays the ball sideways, stands still, sideways again, backwards, sideways and then incrementally forward with the only forward movement being a no risk fist pass or a solo run then they are going to edge up so slowly with 14 or 15 men that you are going to get dragged back into a packed defence. That doesn't make you a defensive team and it certainly doesn't make the team with the 14/15 forward an attacking team.
A team that when possession is conceded automatically results in a concession of territory because they immediately track back with no attempt to win the ball back high is also a defensive team. Derry are not a good watch. Nor was McGuinness' Donegal. There are other teams that are poor to watch.
But the argument that because Derry have 14 or 15 forward on occasion they are an attacking team is frankly bollocks. They are the most defensive team on the go at the moment. Though Down look at them enviously.
No. 1 Every team has 15 behind the ball.
No. 2 Derry are scoring more than the opposition. They are not negative.
Would be really interested to see how many times they kicked the ball?
Especially kicks from defence? Kicks from turnovers? Onward kicks from short kick outs?
And then kicks into the inside forwards?
I'm sure someone has the stats but my guess is it would be one of the lowest in the country. It's a poor watch. Glass, Rodgers and McGuigan could play and excel in any team or system. Doherty excels in this system (and maybe he is better than I am giving him credit for?) and I suspect that McEvoy will blossom into a player who can excel in one on ones. There a lot of others in the team are there for their work rate that the system relies on. In terms of moments of real skill from those players they would be few enough. McKinless is teak tough and good at his job and I think I saw Cassidy on an off day.
They're more pragmatic than either defensive or attacking.
Almost every team has 15 behind the ball when defending, particularly the Dubs, it's just that they had such good attackers that they get away with not being called negative.
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Don't think they're good enough or they'd be playing. Older lad has been on the fringes this past few years but not making any headway in fairness.
When you're bringing a few lads on, who were after being subbed earlier in the day, what is that saying?
The time to give players a go was in the league.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Very true and accurate - agree 100%. McEvoy has been a huge plus this year. Maybe Forbes next year?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
I think that's a myth about having the strongest club scene in ulster.
When Crossmaglen dominated Armagh for years it didn't mean they had the best club scene, only that they had one top class club.
Derry have had 2 top class clubs over the last 10 years in slaughtneil and Glen.
I actually think Tyrone club scene is the most competitive in ulster, there's realistically 5 or 6 teams with a chance of winning the championship. They don't do well in ulster interestingly.
In my opinion, one or two top clubs can be enough to generate a serious intercounty side but only temporarily.
A more competitive club championship should provide a more stable senior team over a prolonged period and I think that explains Tyrone and also why Armagh peaked for a while.
Derry have about 5 years I reckon with thus squad being able to challenge, but another club or two could rise too to keep us there.
I think they be round longer, they got good feeding system from the Underage, I still think Derry never having a U21 league was a direct correlation to their county team performances at this level. Hence why Tyrone done so well. We now a, U-19 league but that still a big gap to senior, and a over reliance on Senior reserve, which I notice already in the league a mount of conceded games.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 17, 2023, 06:55:23 PM
Point of Order:
Stop talking about football on this thread. There are countless other ones for that shite.
It's disgraceful. It's worse than trial by facebook
Quote from: larryin89 on May 17, 2023, 05:53:23 PM
Derry are a decent side but nothing to suggest they have enough depth to be serious contenders . Far too much reliance on mcguigan too . Top drawer footballer though that's for sure .
You improve enough to get promoted 3 times, win 2 ulsters and get to an AI semi then all of a sudden after praise for a couple of years people dismiss you for not being serious contenders. Yeah we aren't as good as Dublin, Kerry or Galway, but does that mean we should just stop? If we played well id fancy us to give the top 3 a game (see Dublin in Celtic park) and Id fancy us to beat everyone else below that if we played well.
Too reliant on Mcguigan is another criticism when you have an exceptional footballer. Kerry are too reliant on Clifford as well and wouldn't have won an AI without him.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Perfectly fine to want your county to win and to enjoy it when they do. Nothing wrong with not caring what other people think.
My only problem was people claiming that Derry are attacking and that people saying otherwise were lacking in understanding. Each of these are manifestly untrue.
Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?
I can enjoy watching Shane McGuigan drop the shoulder, change direction and curl the ball over the bar. I really don't have any interest in watching Niall Toner prove how fit and diligent he is. No harm to NT I just picked his name because I couldn't remember him going forward on Sunday. It seemed to me that every time he got the ball in play that he turned and soloed away from goal and looked for a risk free fist pass. That's just dull to watch. No risk. No spark. No excitement. Just playing percentages. He has his medal though and a big cup to drink from.
It's possible that in our own thirst for success that Armagh ruin the game in order to achieve success. A great part of this year's league looked that way. God help us if that ever happens.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Perfectly fine to want your county to win and to enjoy it when they do. Nothing wrong with not caring what other people think.
My only problem was people claiming that Derry are attacking and that people saying otherwise were lacking in understanding. Each of these are manifestly untrue.
Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?
I can enjoy watching Shane McGuigan drop the shoulder, change direction and curl the ball over the bar. I really don't have any interest in watching Niall Toner prove how fit and diligent he is. No harm to NT I just picked his name because I couldn't remember him going forward on Sunday. It seemed to me that every time he got the ball in play that he turned and soloed away from goal and looked for a risk free fist pass. That's just dull to watch. No risk. No spark. No excitement. Just playing percentages. He has his medal though and a big cup to drink from.
It's possible that in our own thirst for success that Armagh ruin the game in order to achieve success. A great part of this year's league looked that way. God help us if that ever happens.
2 counties racking up the guts of 3:34 between them in the showpiece and you'd consider not tuning in?
Quote from: Mario on May 17, 2023, 08:11:41 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 17, 2023, 05:53:23 PM
Derry are a decent side but nothing to suggest they have enough depth to be serious contenders . Far too much reliance on mcguigan too . Top drawer footballer though that's for sure .
You improve enough to get promoted 3 times, win 2 ulsters and get to an AI semi then all of a sudden after praise for a couple of years people dismiss you for not being serious contenders. Yeah we aren't as good as Dublin, Kerry or Galway, but does that mean we should just stop? If we played well id fancy us to give the top 3 a game (see Dublin in Celtic park) and Id fancy us to beat everyone else below that if we played well.
Too reliant on Mcguigan is another criticism when you have an exceptional footballer. Kerry are too reliant on Clifford as well and wouldn't have won an AI without him.
McGuigan was indeed exceptional on Sunday. The leadership he showed was outstanding. Class.
He's a class forward no doubt but showed leadership?Really? Forwards are meant to take on defenders and score,simple. I do hope Armagh revert to the playing style of last year. Mimicking Derrys style will get them only so far before they are embarrassed like Derry were last year against Galway and this year in the div. 2 final against Dublin. Armagh are better than that. They were great to watch until this year. The fear of losing perhaps? Two young relatives of mine were taken to Croke park last year for their first time to watch the Galway Armagh game and were completely blown away by the spectacle. They started training with a local club this spring and spent every session without once kicking a ball..A modern well paid manager in charge and they were taught none of the basic skills. They watched two games on tv , one involving Donegal and the other involving Derry. They are now playing soccer. This is the problem with people like RG and many others at club and county level all over Ireland. They are destroying a great game and they even don't care.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Why don't you research coercive control?
So RG had coercive control of NG's legal advisors and social services? :o
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 17, 2023, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Why don't you research coercive control?
So RG had coercive control of NG's legal advisors and social services? :o
Very surprised with your take on this.
Quote from: JPO on May 17, 2023, 10:08:40 PM
He's a class forward no doubt but showed leadership?Really? Forwards are meant to take on defenders and score,simple. I do hope Armagh revert to the playing style of last year. Mimicking Derrys style will get them only so far before they are embarrassed like Derry were last year against Galway and this year in the div. 2 final against Dublin. Armagh are better than that. They were great to watch until this year. The fear of losing perhaps? Two young relatives of mine were taken to Croke park last year for their first time to watch the Galway Armagh game and were completely blown away by the spectacle. They started training with a local club this spring and spent every session without once kicking a ball..A modern well paid manager in charge and they were taught none of the basic skills. They watched two games on tv , one involving Donegal and the other involving Derry. They are now playing soccer. This is the problem with people like RG and many others at club and county level all over Ireland. They are destroying a great game and they even don't care.
Always useful to watch key moments in big games. McGuigan is fouled and wins free for Derry in first half of extra time - scores the free himself from a tight angle to level the game. Derry's only score in that half - that is called leadership. Second half of extra time, Shane brings Derry back to within a point with a great score from play. Armagh again go two ahead. Shane gets possession and is fouled for a free as he heads towards goal, which is scored to leave a point in it. He is again fouled in midfield, kicks the free from over 50 yards himself to level. Leadership. With 15 seconds left, Shane again wins possession, in his own half, from an Armagh kick out. Again he is fouled, free sets up the point that puts Derry ahead. Leadership at the highest level. Buries penalty in shoot out - leadership. Some people lead, some can recognise leadership, some can't - same in most workplaces, same in football. McGuigan was absolutely outstanding in terms of leadership for Derry as we win Ulster again. Why he won man of the match.
Quote from: thebuzz on May 17, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2023, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
if allegations are true he should not be anywhere near the sport again, at least without a lengthy spell inside.
That goes for anyone in any sport, but in reality, that's not going to happen, there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA.
How can you make this assumption? What are you basing this on?
The reason the GAA don't know how to handle this is because it's never really come up that much before as far as I'm aware.
There may be countless offenders in the General Public but I don't see why it has to follow that 'there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA'.
In one year alone (2021) there was over 25,000 reported domestic abuse cases to the police in the south alone..
You keep your head in the sand if you think none are involved in your local GAA
Quote from: JPO on May 17, 2023, 10:08:40 PM
He's a class forward no doubt but showed leadership?Really? Forwards are meant to take on defenders and score,simple. I do hope Armagh revert to the playing style of last year. Mimicking Derrys style will get them only so far before they are embarrassed like Derry were last year against Galway and this year in the div. 2 final against Dublin. Armagh are better than that. They were great to watch until this year. The fear of losing perhaps? Two young relatives of mine were taken to Croke park last year for their first time to watch the Galway Armagh game and were completely blown away by the spectacle. They started training with a local club this spring and spent every session without once kicking a ball..A modern well paid manager in charge and they were taught none of the basic skills. They watched two games on tv , one involving Donegal and the other involving Derry. They are now playing soccer. This is the problem with people like RG and many others at club and county level all over Ireland. They are destroying a great game and they even don't care.
You just stick to the apples, you'll get sick eating all those sour grapes.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 17, 2023, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
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Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Why don't you research coercive control?
So RG had coercive control of NG's legal advisors and social services? :o
Coercive control is based on fear. Perhaps Mrs Gallagher wasn't able to say everything to the social workers. Perhaps she only found her voice last Tuesday.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 07:16:48 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 17, 2023, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 16, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Exactly.
The competent authorities are the ones who should be doing the investigating and prosecuting if appropriate. Not a volunteer board whose skillset is no more applicable to the problem than landing a man on the moon.
-------------------
Another question that is in my mind - why did (seemingly) none of this come out when custody of the children was up? Not casting doubt on the allegations, more on how did the combination of authorities/legal representation allow things to string along this far? Did NG receive extremely bad advice during the custody proceedings?
If the allegations are true, which inferring from a lack of strong denial from RG they would appear to have substance, then the systematic failure needs examined and rectified.
Why don't you research coercive control?
So RG had coercive control of NG's legal advisors and social services? :o
Coercive control is based on fear. Perhaps Mrs Gallagher wasn't able to say everything to the social workers. Perhaps she only found her voice last Tuesday.
I thought she'd reported him long before that? And the police had a file on him?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: thebuzz on May 17, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2023, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I hope that he has good advice. He could fix himself, sort out the family stuff, turn things around and come back to the sport, I imagine. He could also self destruct. He is a very talented coach.
if allegations are true he should not be anywhere near the sport again, at least without a lengthy spell inside.
That goes for anyone in any sport, but in reality, that's not going to happen, there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA.
How can you make this assumption? What are you basing this on?
The reason the GAA don't know how to handle this is because it's never really come up that much before as far as I'm aware.
There may be countless offenders in the General Public but I don't see why it has to follow that 'there must be countless offenders out there looking after teams or involved in GAA'.
In one year alone (2021) there was over 25,000 reported domestic abuse cases to the police in the south alone..
You keep your head in the sand if you think none are involved in your local GAA
or posting on here???
GAA people are still people and they will be some bad ones in there - it's the same in any walk of life. It's the same in any organisation- if the organisation know nothing about someone's wrongdoings it is not the organisation's fault at all. You have a problem if the organisation knew about an individual and let them carry on regardless.
Statistically I would say it would be low enough so it would be a stretch to say countless mind you...
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
GAA people are still people and they will be some bad ones in there - it's the same in any walk of life. It's the same in any organisation- if the organisation know nothing about someone's wrongdoings it is not the organisation's fault at all. You have a problem if the organisation knew about an individual and let them carry on regardless.
Statistically I would say it would be low enough so it would be a stretch to say countless mind you...
If there were 25,000 Domestic Violence cases last year say there are 50,000 perpetrators overall
The population is 5 million. Perpetrators are all men, say
50,000/2500000= 2%
That's one in 50.
There is a bit of extrapolation there plus I think it's probably not a sound assumption that all the perpetrators are men.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2023, 08:42:32 AM
There is a bit of extrapolation there plus I think it's probably not a sound assumption that all the perpetrators are men.
Adding an extra assumption like 90% might be too far. It's not's going to be 50%
The key relationship is 25000/5 million = 0.5% or 1 in 200.
That number is actually quite high to start .
It is. More of it than, probably thankfully, most people realise.
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
GAA people are still people and they will be some bad ones in there - it's the same in any walk of life. It's the same in any organisation- if the organisation know nothing about someone's wrongdoings it is not the organisation's fault at all. You have a problem if the organisation knew about an individual and let them carry on regardless.
Statistically I would say it would be low enough so it would be a stretch to say countless mind you...
If there were 25,000 Domestic Violence cases last year say there are 50,000 perpetrators overall
The population is 5 million. Perpetrators are all men, say
50,000/2500000= 2%
That's one in 50.
according to Womens Aid
https://www.womensaid.ie/about/policy/natintstats.html
One in four women in Ireland who have been in a relationship have been abused by a current or former partner.
14% of women in Ireland have experienced
physical violence by a partner (current or former) since age 15
6% of Irish women have experienced
sexual violence 31% of women have experienced
psychological violence by a current or former partner since age 15
Frightening stats
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
Reported being the main thing, If Mrs Gallagher hadn't reported something for nearly 25 years, then this could be typically something that's happening..
As for educating them yes that could certainly help, but monkey sees monkey does, and to that end it probably comes across being normal.
I just don't get the mindset if I'm being honest, seems like a lot of effort to be controlling people
Quote from: Dabh on May 18, 2023, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
GAA people are still people and they will be some bad ones in there - it's the same in any walk of life. It's the same in any organisation- if the organisation know nothing about someone's wrongdoings it is not the organisation's fault at all. You have a problem if the organisation knew about an individual and let them carry on regardless.
Statistically I would say it would be low enough so it would be a stretch to say countless mind you...
If there were 25,000 Domestic Violence cases last year say there are 50,000 perpetrators overall
The population is 5 million. Perpetrators are all men, say
50,000/2500000= 2%
That's one in 50.
according to Womens Aid
https://www.womensaid.ie/about/policy/natintstats.html
One in four women in Ireland who have been in a relationship have been abused by a current or former partner.
14% of women in Ireland have experienced physical violence by a partner (current or former) since age 15
6% of Irish women have experienced sexual violence
31% of women have experienced psychological violence by a current or former partner since age 15
Frightening stats
One in four... jesus christ.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
I think that's a myth about having the strongest club scene in ulster.
When Crossmaglen dominated Armagh for years it didn't mean they had the best club scene, only that they had one top class club.
Derry have had 2 top class clubs over the last 10 years in slaughtneil and Glen.
I actually think Tyrone club scene is the most competitive in ulster, there's realistically 5 or 6 teams with a chance of winning the championship. They don't do well in ulster interestingly.
In my opinion, one or two top clubs can be enough to generate a serious intercounty side but only temporarily.
A more competitive club championship should provide a more stable senior team over a prolonged period and I think that explains Tyrone and also why Armagh peaked for a while.
Derry have about 5 years I reckon with thus squad being able to challenge, but another club or two could rise too to keep us there.
Not this one again. ;)
Just on the Armagh championship, there were some superb teams challenging Cross throughout their dominant years, a lot of their toughest games came in Armagh but obviously no one got over the line until Ogs in 2010 and Cullyhanna (who then lost the final) in 2016 or 2017. Dromintee, Mullaghbawn, Pearse Ogs, Cullyhanna to name a few would have been pushing Cross hard at various stages over their dominant years.
There are more teams in with a realistic chance of winning Tailteann than Sam.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2023, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
I think that's a myth about having the strongest club scene in ulster.
When Crossmaglen dominated Armagh for years it didn't mean they had the best club scene, only that they had one top class club.
Derry have had 2 top class clubs over the last 10 years in slaughtneil and Glen.
I actually think Tyrone club scene is the most competitive in ulster, there's realistically 5 or 6 teams with a chance of winning the championship. They don't do well in ulster interestingly.
In my opinion, one or two top clubs can be enough to generate a serious intercounty side but only temporarily.
A more competitive club championship should provide a more stable senior team over a prolonged period and I think that explains Tyrone and also why Armagh peaked for a while.
Derry have about 5 years I reckon with thus squad being able to challenge, but another club or two could rise too to keep us there.
Not this one again. ;)
Just on the Armagh championship, there were some superb teams challenging Cross throughout their dominant years, a lot of their toughest games came in Armagh but obviously no one got over the line until Ogs in 2010 and Cullyhanna (who then lost the final) in 2016 or 2017. Dromintee, Mullaghbawn, Pearse Ogs, Cullyhanna to name a few would have been pushing Cross hard at various stages over their dominant years.
Please do not die on this hill
Quote from: JoG2 on May 17, 2023, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 17, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.
Perfectly fine to want your county to win and to enjoy it when they do. Nothing wrong with not caring what other people think.
My only problem was people claiming that Derry are attacking and that people saying otherwise were lacking in understanding. Each of these are manifestly untrue.
Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?
I can enjoy watching Shane McGuigan drop the shoulder, change direction and curl the ball over the bar. I really don't have any interest in watching Niall Toner prove how fit and diligent he is. No harm to NT I just picked his name because I couldn't remember him going forward on Sunday. It seemed to me that every time he got the ball in play that he turned and soloed away from goal and looked for a risk free fist pass. That's just dull to watch. No risk. No spark. No excitement. Just playing percentages. He has his medal though and a big cup to drink from.
It's possible that in our own thirst for success that Armagh ruin the game in order to achieve success. A great part of this year's league looked that way. God help us if that ever happens.
2 counties racking up the guts of 3:34 between them in the showpiece and you'd consider not tuning in?
Firstly I don't know where your 3:34 comes from. Not saying that it is automatically wrong, I just don't know it's providence.
I don't necessarily attribute "high scoring" with "attacking" or "exciting". There are risk free ways of attacking. If they resultant efforts go over the bar in one match and wide in another I wouldn't automatically conclude that the first match was entertaining and the second not.
It a team attacks and moves the ball quickly, creating one on ones, and the defenders best the one on ones then I'm a happy punter.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
The North is one of the most dangerous places to be a woman in Europe. DV is a pandemic. RG is the tip of the iceberg. But he showed us. His aggressive behaviour on the side line was a sneak peak. These people can be confrontational, nasty and extremely aggressive.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 18, 2023, 09:49:06 AM
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Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
I think that's a myth about having the strongest club scene in ulster.
When Crossmaglen dominated Armagh for years it didn't mean they had the best club scene, only that they had one top class club.
Derry have had 2 top class clubs over the last 10 years in slaughtneil and Glen.
I actually think Tyrone club scene is the most competitive in ulster, there's realistically 5 or 6 teams with a chance of winning the championship. They don't do well in ulster interestingly.
In my opinion, one or two top clubs can be enough to generate a serious intercounty side but only temporarily.
A more competitive club championship should provide a more stable senior team over a prolonged period and I think that explains Tyrone and also why Armagh peaked for a while.
Derry have about 5 years I reckon with thus squad being able to challenge, but another club or two could rise too to keep us there.
Not this one again. ;)
Just on the Armagh championship, there were some superb teams challenging Cross throughout their dominant years, a lot of their toughest games came in Armagh but obviously no one got over the line until Ogs in 2010 and Cullyhanna (who then lost the final) in 2016 or 2017. Dromintee, Mullaghbawn, Pearse Ogs, Cullyhanna to name a few would have been pushing Cross hard at various stages over their dominant years.
Please do not die on this hill
which hill would that be
Quote from: JPO on May 17, 2023, 10:08:40 PM
He's a class forward no doubt but showed leadership?Really? Forwards are meant to take on defenders and score,simple. I do hope Armagh revert to the playing style of last year. Mimicking Derrys style will get them only so far before they are embarrassed like Derry were last year against Galway and this year in the div. 2 final against Dublin. Armagh are better than that. They were great to watch until this year. The fear of losing perhaps? Two young relatives of mine were taken to Croke park last year for their first time to watch the Galway Armagh game and were completely blown away by the spectacle. They started training with a local club this spring and spent every session without once kicking a ball..A modern well paid manager in charge and they were taught none of the basic skills. They watched two games on tv , one involving Donegal and the other involving Derry. They are now playing soccer. This is the problem with people like RG and many others at club and county level all over Ireland. They are destroying a great game and they even don't care.
At what age did these young relatives start playing that they were being coached by a well paid manager?
under 8 ;D
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
The North is one of the most dangerous places to be a woman in Europe. DV is a pandemic. RG is the tip of the iceberg. But he showed us. His aggressive behaviour on the side line was a sneak peak. These people can be confrontational, nasty and extremely aggressive.
Been to any club games lately? Going by that daft assessment we'd have hundreds of coaches that would fit your view?
Christ, its ok to dislike someone but get confused with passion/will to win/competitiveness and beating women up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
The North is one of the most dangerous places to be a woman in Europe. DV is a pandemic. RG is the tip of the iceberg. But he showed us. His aggressive behaviour on the side line was a sneak peak. These people can be confrontational, nasty and extremely aggressive.
Been to any club games lately? Going by that daft assessment we'd have hundreds of coaches that would fit your view?
Christ, its ok to dislike someone but get confused with passion/will to win/competitiveness and beating women up
RG is far beyond what was acceptable.
Shouting and ranting at opposition players
Shouting and ranting at opposition management
Shouting and ranting at his own players
Aggressively celebrating scores against teams including teams Derry were 10+ points better than
Calling it passion is an excuse. It all paints a picture of an extremely aggressive and confrontational person. I had called his behaviour out in threads before only for the Mods (wrongly in my view) to delete the posts.
10 and 12 years old. An outside coach/ manager brought in to oversee underage teams . Paid for by volunteers raising money. He has all the coaching badges etc and can speak the lingo. Very impressive things such as : High press , mental strength , turnovers, percentage pass , shot selection , leadership qualities, game management , shot to score ratio , the loop , off the shoulder ....blah blah blah. There's money to be made talking like this .A lot of money. It's estimated 60 % of spending by all clubs is on managers / coaches. These parasites are contributing to the dire state football is in today.
A forward is on a football team to score or create scores. If he doesn't then he is substituted. This is the case in football at all levels , from underage to reserve club teams to county teams. "Leadership" sounds great as does the modern phrase " the high press" which basically mark your opponent for the kickouts as players have been taught to do for years. It's nothing new of course but using terms like this can get you a job as a manager or a pundit and hence money.
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
The North is one of the most dangerous places to be a woman in Europe. DV is a pandemic. RG is the tip of the iceberg. But he showed us. His aggressive behaviour on the side line was a sneak peak. These people can be confrontational, nasty and extremely aggressive.
Been to any club games lately? Going by that daft assessment we'd have hundreds of coaches that would fit your view?
Christ, its ok to dislike someone but get confused with passion/will to win/competitiveness and beating women up
RG is far beyond what was acceptable.
Shouting and ranting at opposition players
Shouting and ranting at opposition management
Shouting and ranting at his own players
Aggressively celebrating scores against teams including teams Derry were 10+ points better than
Calling it passion is an excuse. It all paints a picture of an extremely aggressive and confrontational person. I had called his behaviour out in threads before only for the Mods (wrongly in my view) to delete the posts.
The over the top celebrations against his own county was odd.
Sorry I forgot to mention. Shane Mcguigan had a brilliant game and deserved the man of the match award. He's a class forward and great to watch.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 17, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Got two unexpected Ulster's with Derry, serious achievement and Derry will more than likely return back into the pack now he has left.
I don't think youse will nrico.. Great club scene going atm looking in from outside and you've had great underage teams past few years.. Them senior titles youngsters can see there's something for them to join
Always had strongest club scene in Ulster and good underage sides, need someone special to harmonise it all together.
I think that's a myth about having the strongest club scene in ulster.
When Crossmaglen dominated Armagh for years it didn't mean they had the best club scene, only that they had one top class club.
Derry have had 2 top class clubs over the last 10 years in slaughtneil and Glen.
I actually think Tyrone club scene is the most competitive in ulster, there's realistically 5 or 6 teams with a chance of winning the championship. They don't do well in ulster interestingly.
In my opinion, one or two top clubs can be enough to generate a serious intercounty side but only temporarily.
A more competitive club championship should provide a more stable senior team over a prolonged period and I think that explains Tyrone and also why Armagh peaked for a while.
Derry have about 5 years I reckon with thus squad being able to challenge, but another club or two could rise too to keep us there.
That's unfair about the club scene. For years clubs like balinderry, Coleraine, glen, slaughtneil and maghetfelt would have given any club team in Ireland there fill of it. Would love to have seen Derry revert to a straight knockout championship..think some of the draws and matches would be exceptional
Cocaine .
Fair play larry
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
Usually we have to wait to after the summer for this kind of chat. We're early on the go this year.
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2023, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
Usually we have to wait to after the summer for this kind of chat. We're early on the go this year.
Westmeath clubs have a better return outside of their club championships ;D
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on May 18, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
Whatever the finer points about extrapolation and assumptions, the fact that there are over 25,000 DV cases reported per year is absolutely depressing.
We need to do more to educate our boys and young men
The North is one of the most dangerous places to be a woman in Europe. DV is a pandemic. RG is the tip of the iceberg. But he showed us. His aggressive behaviour on the side line was a sneak peak. These people can be confrontational, nasty and extremely aggressive.
Been to any club games lately? Going by that daft assessment we'd have hundreds of coaches that would fit your view?
Christ, its ok to dislike someone but get confused with passion/will to win/competitiveness and beating women up
RG is far beyond what was acceptable.
Shouting and ranting at opposition players
Shouting and ranting at opposition management
Shouting and ranting at his own players
Aggressively celebrating scores against teams including teams Derry were 10+ points better than
Calling it passion is an excuse. It all paints a picture of an extremely aggressive and confrontational person. I had called his behaviour out in threads before only for the Mods (wrongly in my view) to delete the posts.
Spot on. His aggressive celebration of his teams scores was at odds with all other managers, very unusual behaviour. This ought not to be confused with passion which is a positive quality. RG is well known for verbally abusing opposition players, management and even his own management team. It's this arrogant, aggressive, bullying characteristic that is the issue in question here.
I hope his ex wife can put her life and mental state back together and that RG end's up behind bars, if nothing else it would send a message to the next generation as to what is acceptable in our society.
Facebook psychology 101. The keyboard won't refuse the taps that's for sure.
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2023, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
Usually we have to wait to after the summer for this kind of chat. We're early on the go this year.
Its like the 12th. Gets earlier each year
Quote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2023, 02:45:27 PM
Facebook psychology 101. The keyboard won't refuse the taps that's for sure.
Sheesh,
We're now surmising who's a wife beater based on how they behave along the line during a game, spitting on their hands must be a sure sign giveaway then also.
If only it was that simple.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
;D
Good point well made!
To bring it back to topic then, RG had no choice but to step down. I said it originally on the other thread, if he's guilty of what has been claimed it's jail he should get. No ifs, no buts.
It should allow Derry to move forward too with no more distractions, but it does rob them of an excellent manager and coach. Time will tell how this affects them, but like I said there is not other option on that front.
The thing that concerns me in general is that social media in this instance seems to be the judge and jury with so many people regurgitating "facts" they read on facebook and based on those facts the guilty verdict is issued. I don't agree with that. The allegations may well turn out to be factual, but they are also not impartial so I'd always be wary, rightly or wrongly.
In my personal opinion, allegations like this should be made to authorities and investigated without any names in the public domain until such times as an outcome is reached. It protects all parties involved, especially innocent children caught in a crossfire. By all means, name and shame someone found guilty of DV other crimes.
The second thing I disagree with, which is linked, is that I don't believe anyone or any organisation is under any obligation to make public statements of any kind unless legally obliged to. Derry CB and Ulster GAA made statements condemning DV and stating it should be reported to authorities. That's not enough for the online lynch mobs though (the irony of me posting online about this isn't lost on me). Whether or not RG makes public statements about allegations against him in public is entirely up to him and shouldn't be made because the masses want to hear what he has to say for himself. Whether or not Derry CB or Ulster council make statements directly about this particular case is up to them and I'd imagine they've taken legal advice.
Like I said, DV is wrong in all circumstances and should be dealt with harshly. I just dont believe that through social media is the way to do it, though I may be in the minority in my way of thinking.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2023, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
This is funny. On the armagh derry thread there was a complaint that there was too much talk about RG. This thread was created and now yis are talkin about the match 😃😃
with a nice little smattering of "whos got the best club championship" threatening to break out 😃😃
But anyway. Someone has mentoned cocaine....duno if hes buying or selling...
;D
Good point well made!
To bring it back to topic then, RG had no choice but to step down. I said it originally on the other thread, if he's guilty of what has been claimed it's jail he should get. No ifs, no buts.
It should allow Derry to move forward too with no more distractions, but it does rob them of an excellent manager and coach. Time will tell how this affects them, but like I said there is not other option on that front.
The thing that concerns me in general is that social media in this instance seems to be the judge and jury with so many people regurgitating "facts" they read on facebook and based on those facts the guilty verdict is issued. I don't agree with that. The allegations may well turn out to be factual, but they are also not impartial so I'd always be wary, rightly or wrongly.
In my personal opinion, allegations like this should be made to authorities and investigated without any names in the public domain until such times as an outcome is reached. It protects all parties involved, especially innocent children caught in a crossfire. By all means, name and shame someone found guilty of DV other crimes.
The second thing I disagree with, which is linked, is that I don't believe anyone or any organisation is under any obligation to make public statements of any kind unless legally obliged to. Derry CB and Ulster GAA made statements condemning DV and stating it should be reported to authorities. That's not enough for the online lynch mobs though (the irony of me posting online about this isn't lost on me). Whether or not RG makes public statements about allegations against him in public is entirely up to him and shouldn't be made because the masses want to hear what he has to say for himself. Whether or not Derry CB or Ulster council make statements directly about this particular case is up to them and I'd imagine they've taken legal advice.
Like I said, DV is wrong in all circumstances and should be dealt with harshly. I just dont believe that through social media is the way to do it, though I may be in the minority in my way of thinking.
I don't think it lasted very long though- from the Tuesday to the day he resigned . Then the media caravan moved on.
Nobody is going into deep analysis of him now.
Social media been blamed is a load of nonsense , so if she said it in the local boozer or bingo hall , it carries more weight .
Your legal obligations are the bare minimum. Fail to meet them and you are in legal difficulty.
Most people strive to go a little beyond the legal minimum.
Community organisations even more so. Community organisations tend to aim to achieve more and to publicise the extra that they do. This attracts membership, volunteers, funding, sponsors and goodwill. You can't play that role and then stick to the legal minimum.
If Derry's view was that they are only going to do what they legally have to then they should at least be honest about it and make a statement and say that DV is bad and all that but they will only do something if they legally have to.
Quote from: JPO on May 18, 2023, 01:15:40 PM
10 and 12 years old. An outside coach/ manager brought in to oversee underage teams . Paid for by volunteers raising money. He has all the coaching badges etc and can speak the lingo. Very impressive things such as : High press , mental strength , turnovers, percentage pass , shot selection , leadership qualities, game management , shot to score ratio , the loop , off the shoulder ....blah blah blah. There's money to be made talking like this .A lot of money. It's estimated 60 % of spending by all clubs is on managers / coaches. These parasites are contributing to the dire state football is in today.
An outside paid coach for u12's is a bit much. If parents are able to do the necessary fundraising they should be puting the same effort into completing a couple of foundation courses and doing the coaching themselves.
Any coach using that lingo has not worked with an u10 or u12 team before. The boys would be standing looking at you wondering when they can get back to their game.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 18, 2023, 03:23:27 PM
Social media been blamed is a load of nonsense , so if she said it in the local boozer or bingo hall , it carries more weight .
The sad reality is it seemed to take social media to cast the light on this.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 18, 2023, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2023, 02:45:27 PM
Facebook psychology 101. The keyboard won't refuse the taps that's for sure.
Sheesh,
We're now surmising who's a wife beater based on how they behave along the line during a game, spitting on their hands must be a sure sign giveaway then also.
If only it was that simple.
Poor Davy Fitz.... He must be a pure monster lol
What's the difference between a high press and a hot press ?
Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Very surprised with your take on this.
My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.
Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.
*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?
**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/rory-gallagher-co-fermanagh-gaa-club-removes-retweets-appearing-to-support-ex-derry-boss/1717604286.html
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 18, 2023, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Very surprised with your take on this.
My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.
Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.
*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?
**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.
Probably should jump in here and defend my colleagues. Not only is that a vast generalisation it also displays an ignorance of the legal system. Mistakes can and do happen and on that basis I have been very keen not to make any comment on this case because I wasn't involved. There are important general things that have to be remembered though.
Firstly and most importantly family courts are private and therefore it is impossible to know what was and what was not raised in any case but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature the court must conduct what is called a Re L hearing. That is a hearing to determine the truth of any allegation. That is done to the civil standard which is much lower than the criminal standard and involves a detailed and thorough investigation.
Social services will be involved and will investigate. They are notoriously conservative and will take very seriously any allegations of domestic abuse. Guardian Ad Litems will be appointed, they are specifically trained to speak to any children involved and to rely the views of those children through separate lawyers appointed by the Guardians.
Grandparents or other family members are also often separately represented.
The court will hear evidence and come to a conclusion. The test for them is not whether one parent is more suitable than the other its to determine whether either parent is suitable. These cases are usually protracted and are very thorough.
The point I am making is that we have no idea what happened in this family case and its therefore very unfair to criticise or worse lambast the whole professional
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 06:14:08 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/rory-gallagher-co-fermanagh-gaa-club-removes-retweets-appearing-to-support-ex-derry-boss/1717604286.html
I find the whole "trial by social media" complaints a little odd.
An individual put their name to the original allegation. They referenced incidents to which there are witnesses. A witness has put their name to a statement confirming one of the allegations.
This is not classic trial by social media.
Social media is one of the means by which RG could have refuted the allegations. Which to date he has not done. That is the biggest source of RG's problems. I don't see why I am supposed to have sympathy for RG because the original allegation of DV was on Facebook.
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
But as long as her mad mates back her up on social media it's the truth though, well according to smelmoth :D
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
The law
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
But as long as her mad mates back her up on social media it's the truth though, well according to smelmoth :D
Oh dear.
2 women have shown real bravery to step forward here. They are an acting in their own name and fully exposed to the law.
This is is a very strange take.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 19, 2023, 08:08:10 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
The law
It won't stop someone doing it, and the legal process will be a lot slower than having your reputation destroyed, that will be pretty instant.
Case in point being that head case Egan in Cork. Lives destroyed, all bullshit and made up.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/pathological-liar-sonya-egan-jailed-26936490
It really is best to let it play out as it will. If RG did what is alleged, I doubt there's anyone here who would back him. But until he's charged with an offence, I'm keeping an open mind
Quote from: smelmoth on May 19, 2023, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2023, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
But as long as her mad mates back her up on social media it's the truth though, well according to smelmoth :D
Oh dear.
2 women have shown real bravery to step forward here. They are an acting in their own name and fully exposed to the law.
This is is a very strange take.
I'm talking in general not this case, if you have read my posts you'd know that
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
That assumes the dynamics of this case are universal. In your postulation, the woman would lie. It probably wouldn't be the first time. Someone on the man's side would defend him and the accusation would have no traction. Life would continue as normal.
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The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.
The law
It won't stop someone doing it, and the legal process will be a lot slower than having your reputation destroyed, that will be pretty instant.
Case in point being that head case Egan in Cork. Lives destroyed, all bullshit and made up.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/pathological-liar-sonya-egan-jailed-26936490
The law as a deterrent doesn't 100% work for any offence.
But people putting their name to allegations and being backed up by others who expose themselves to the law cannot be brushed aside. It's far from trial by social media
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 08:36:38 AM
It really is best to let it play out as it will. If RG did what is alleged, I doubt there's anyone here who would back him. But until he's charged with an offence, I'm keeping an open mind
So the lady who stepped forward and corroborated an allegation. If RG is not charged then you dismiss her as a liar?
No, but as importantly, I won't label him a wife beater
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 08:58:52 AM
No, but as importantly, I won't label him a wife beater
And yet one of them will be true. Either she is a liar or he is a wife beater. When this all plays out you, me and everyone else will come down on one side or other.
He definitely could go a large way to clearing all your uncertainties up but coming out with his denial. He also has the option of defamation case against 3 individuals. He has a lot cards to play here.
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
Yeah I'd say any legal advice he's getting is to say nothing, there is and should not be any hiding place for this behaviour btw, its just that I'm against this 'social media' kangaroo court justice that randomers pile on. Its absolutely none of our business. But hey ho here we are with the pitch fork at the ready.
As soon as that's done then on to the other one, like there is a serious thirst for this stuff, not a health thirst either
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
To use that same argument, if hypothetically RG posted online that his ex wife was an absolute liar and one of his friends wives publicly agreed, would that make it fact?
Again, not condoning DV and if guilty it should be a jail sentence. But just because someone says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. There also needs to be more "proof" for want of a better word. But it seems on social media, someone only has to say it for it to be true.
That's the only issue I have with the whole affair.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
To use that same argument, if hypothetically RG posted online that his ex wife was an absolute liar and one of his friends wives publicly agreed, would that make it fact?
Again, not condoning DV and if guilty it should be a jail sentence. But just because someone says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. There also needs to be more "proof" for want of a better word. But it seems on social media, someone only has to say it for it to be true.
That's the only issue I have with the whole affair.
It's not just about declaring something. The reaction of people is based on how plausible both parties are and how they respond. Did he deny what she said ?
Ultimately it comes down to credibility. Lack of credibility is what caused him to resign. Blaming it on Social media is deflection. He realised that there was a hole in his credibility.
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
The difference in this one is what happens when you ask around about it. The stories aren't good. Where we live is small and it doesn't take you to go too far to know someone who knows someone etc. how this wasn't in the public domain before based on what you hear now I do not know.
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 19, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
Which didn't happen in this case when he issued a response as far as I am aware.
The latter part in bold, we simply don't know what has gone on in hearings or in court prior to this as David McKeown has suggested, so there could be something there and the reason for no flat out denial or there may not be.
In society these days you are guilty until proven otherwise. Don't think Derry have come out of it very well - they could have issued a statement at the time along the lines of "we are aware of allegations and will consider our response and condemn all forms of DV".
Although maybe given the GAA's response to Shane King's situation they were reluctant to jump in too early.
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 19, 2023, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
To use that same argument, if hypothetically RG posted online that his ex wife was an absolute liar and one of his friends wives publicly agreed, would that make it fact?
Again, not condoning DV and if guilty it should be a jail sentence. But just because someone says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. There also needs to be more "proof" for want of a better word. But it seems on social media, someone only has to say it for it to be true.
That's the only issue I have with the whole affair.
It's not just about declaring something. The reaction of people is based on how plausible both parties are and how they respond. Did he deny what she said ?
Ultimately it comes down to credibility. Lack of credibility is what caused him to resign. Blaming it on Social media is deflection. He realised that there was a hole in his credibility.
You're speculating. Do you know for sure lack of credibility caused him to resign? If you do, and it's common knowledge, has the investigation been reopened? Has he been charged? Has he lost the kids? Thankfully the law deals in facts and not speculation. If he's guilty, genuinely guilty, lock him up and throw away the key. Until then, he retains the presumption of innocence
The possibility of RG ever getting a fair trial is shot to pieces by all the commentary around this case. I was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
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Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
To use that same argument, if hypothetically RG posted online that his ex wife was an absolute liar and one of his friends wives publicly agreed, would that make it fact?
Again, not condoning DV and if guilty it should be a jail sentence. But just because someone says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. There also needs to be more "proof" for want of a better word. But it seems on social media, someone only has to say it for it to be true.
That's the only issue I have with the whole affair.
It's not just about declaring something. The reaction of people is based on how plausible both parties are and how they respond. Did he deny what she said ?
Ultimately it comes down to credibility. Lack of credibility is what caused him to resign. Blaming it on Social media is deflection. He realised that there was a hole in his credibility.
You're speculating. Do you know for sure lack of credibility caused him to resign? If you do, and it's common knowledge, has the investigation been reopened? Has he been charged? Has he lost the kids? Thankfully the law deals in facts and not speculation. If he's guilty, genuinely guilty, lock him up and throw away the key. Until then, he retains the presumption of innocence
The possibility of RG ever getting a fair trial is shot to pieces by all the commentary around this case. I was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
I agree.
But also, the possibility of NG getting justice could also be shot to pieces for the same reason. Maybe this is TV law (because I know fook all squared about law), but surely if he's already guilty in the public eye i's impossible to get an impartial jury. So can he argue any trial would be tainted and so get out of a trial, therefore robbing NG or her right to justice?
I've said it previously, I think it's particularly relevant in these types of cases or those involving allegations against children or sexual violence, that all names should be kept out of the public domain until guilt or innocence has be proven.
It remains to be seen if he'll even be charged. It remains to be seen if he can be charged; statute of limitations, lack of evidence, witness statements etc. That's how far back we are. Obviously nobody can condone domestic violence, but until we allow due process to be followed, we simply cannot and must not declare him guilty until he legally is.
As for a trial, there's a long road to travel before we get to that point. I agree tbrick. It would be very difficult to find 12 people who are impartial and generally unaware of the case
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
It remains to be seen if he'll even be charged. It remains to be seen if he can be charged; statute of limitations, lack of evidence, witness statements etc. That's how far back we are. Obviously nobody can condone domestic violence, but until we allow due process to be followed, we simply cannot and must not declare him guilty until he legally is.
As for a trial, there's a long road to travel before we get to that point. I agree tbrick. It would be very difficult to find 12 people who are impartial and generally unaware of the case
What role would the statute of limitations play here?
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Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 19, 2023, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
There are many good reasons for him to stay quiet. He still has custody of the children remember. Does he really want to get into a public tit for tat? Notwithstanding that, if he's charged anc prosecuted based on fresh evidence or whatever, then there's only one side we can fall down on. Until then, it's speculation and/or hearsay
If everyone on Instragram believed he was a satanist, that would be speculation.
If his ex wife makes a statement which is backed up by a witness it isn't speculation.
To use that same argument, if hypothetically RG posted online that his ex wife was an absolute liar and one of his friends wives publicly agreed, would that make it fact?
Again, not condoning DV and if guilty it should be a jail sentence. But just because someone says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. There also needs to be more "proof" for want of a better word. But it seems on social media, someone only has to say it for it to be true.
That's the only issue I have with the whole affair.
It's not just about declaring something. The reaction of people is based on how plausible both parties are and how they respond. Did he deny what she said ?
Ultimately it comes down to credibility. Lack of credibility is what caused him to resign. Blaming it on Social media is deflection. He realised that there was a hole in his credibility.
You're speculating. Do you know for sure lack of credibility caused him to resign? If you do, and it's common knowledge, has the investigation been reopened? Has he been charged? Has he lost the kids? Thankfully the law deals in facts and not speculation. If he's guilty, genuinely guilty, lock him up and throw away the key. Until then, he retains the presumption of innocence
The possibility of RG ever getting a fair trial is shot to pieces by all the commentary around this case. I was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
Joe is a defence barrister - and defence only - as far as I am aware. With regard to the planned boycott, this remains unsubstantiated and is reflective of Joe's journalistic style.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
It remains to be seen if he'll even be charged. It remains to be seen if he can be charged; statute of limitations, lack of evidence, witness statements etc. That's how far back we are. Obviously nobody can condone domestic violence, but until we allow due process to be followed, we simply cannot and must not declare him guilty until he legally is.
As for a trial, there's a long road to travel before we get to that point. I agree tbrick. It would be very difficult to find 12 people who are impartial and generally unaware of the case
The story got intense attention for a week. Most people don't pay attention. If a trial happened in 18 months most people wouldn't remember
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Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
It remains to be seen if he'll even be charged. It remains to be seen if he can be charged; statute of limitations, lack of evidence, witness statements etc. That's how far back we are. Obviously nobody can condone domestic violence, but until we allow due process to be followed, we simply cannot and must not declare him guilty until he legally is.
As for a trial, there's a long road to travel before we get to that point. I agree tbrick. It would be very difficult to find 12 people who are impartial and generally unaware of the case
What role would the statute of limitations play here?
When did the alleged offences take place? I think the victim has 6 months to make a complaint and 2 years overall to get a prosecution. It seems a narrow enough window, particularly if the victim wasn't in a position (for whatever reason) to make a complaint. My gut feeling is that RG will never be prosecuted, but I don't know the timeline or extenuating circumstances. In fact I know very little about it all. There will be so much more to the case than what has been made public
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 19, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
Do you want examples of where people claim their innocence and denial of such things but get tarnished by others and have orders put out on them only for them to be untrue? I know of one very close to me which an ex made all sorts of claims, a fecking header, but shit sticks.
Someone makes a claim and hey ho its your word against theirs
The Gardai were eager to talk to Mrs G last week. If it doesn't fly in the North it may in the South.
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Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 19, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
Do you want examples of where people claim their innocence and denial of such things but get tarnished by others and have orders put out on them only for them to be untrue? I know of one very close to me which an ex made all sorts of claims, a fecking header, but shit sticks.
Someone makes a claim and hey ho its your word against theirs
Mrs Maguire went to the hospital with her. Would that not be good enough as justification in Milltown Chambers?
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2023, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 19, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
Do you want examples of where people claim their innocence and denial of such things but get tarnished by others and have orders put out on them only for them to be untrue? I know of one very close to me which an ex made all sorts of claims, a fecking header, but shit sticks.
Someone makes a claim and hey ho its your word against theirs
Mrs Maguire went to the hospital with her. Would that not be good enough as justification in Milltown Chambers?
In legal terms, no. Depends what reasons were given for injuries at the time.
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2023, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2023, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 19, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who is a successful coach/manager with a successful team and my ex goes on line and declares to all that I'm am guilty of DV. Would I resign my role of the said team if i was innocent and the allegations were untrue. Would you? I am certain I would not be resigning, I would in the strongest terms be denying it and going down the legal path and issuing a statement explaining as much. I would be forcing my employers to sack me so I could after them as well, knowing there is no evidence that will come out. I would not be resigning. Kinda makes it simple.
Do you want examples of where people claim their innocence and denial of such things but get tarnished by others and have orders put out on them only for them to be untrue? I know of one very close to me which an ex made all sorts of claims, a fecking header, but shit sticks.
Someone makes a claim and hey ho its your word against theirs
Mrs Maguire went to the hospital with her. Would that not be good enough as justification in Milltown Chambers?
I'm not talking about this case, I've already said that, keep up
What statute of limitations?
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
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Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Very surprised with your take on this.
My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.
Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.
*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?
**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.
Probably should jump in here and defend my colleagues. Not only is that a vast generalisation it also displays an ignorance of the legal system. Mistakes can and do happen and on that basis I have been very keen not to make any comment on this case because I wasn't involved. There are important general things that have to be remembered though.
Firstly and most importantly family courts are private and therefore it is impossible to know what was and what was not raised in any case but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature the court must conduct what is called a Re L hearing. That is a hearing to determine the truth of any allegation. That is done to the civil standard which is much lower than the criminal standard and involves a detailed and thorough investigation.
Social services will be involved and will investigate. They are notoriously conservative and will take very seriously any allegations of domestic abuse. Guardian Ad Litems will be appointed, they are specifically trained to speak to any children involved and to rely the views of those children through separate lawyers appointed by the Guardians.
Grandparents or other family members are also often separately represented.
The court will hear evidence and come to a conclusion. The test for them is not whether one parent is more suitable than the other its to determine whether either parent is suitable. These cases are usually protracted and are very thorough.
The point I am making is that we have no idea what happened in this family case and its therefore very unfair to criticise or worse lambast the whole professional
It's a nice big answer, but doesn't actually address the concern I've raised. Well, I suppose it partially might, as you say, its all private, so maybe allegations were made, but if that were the case, would custody decisions not have been paused pending completion of judgement on abuse investigations?
If teachers (who, lets not forget, have a primary role of educating) are expected to be able to identify and raise cases of child abuse, solicitors and barristers who spend their time practicing family law (i.e. their primary role is dealing with relationships in difficulties) should have the exact same expectation of being able to identify and raise instances of abuse. Indeed, one would think the solicitors and barristers working with abuse victims would be much closer to their core role than teachers.
The requirement of the system to only kick in "if allegations are made" is, IMO, either a complete abdication of responsibility or a failure of the system to assign responsibility to both social workers
and law practitioners to protect victims who are afraid to make the allegations.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 03:41:53 PMI was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
You have to open your wallet to get them to park their morals.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 21, 2023, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 18, 2023, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Very surprised with your take on this.
My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.
Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.
*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?
**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.
Probably should jump in here and defend my colleagues. Not only is that a vast generalisation it also displays an ignorance of the legal system. Mistakes can and do happen and on that basis I have been very keen not to make any comment on this case because I wasn't involved. There are important general things that have to be remembered though.
Firstly and most importantly family courts are private and therefore it is impossible to know what was and what was not raised in any case but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature the court must conduct what is called a Re L hearing. That is a hearing to determine the truth of any allegation. That is done to the civil standard which is much lower than the criminal standard and involves a detailed and thorough investigation.
Social services will be involved and will investigate. They are notoriously conservative and will take very seriously any allegations of domestic abuse. Guardian Ad Litems will be appointed, they are specifically trained to speak to any children involved and to rely the views of those children through separate lawyers appointed by the Guardians.
Grandparents or other family members are also often separately represented.
The court will hear evidence and come to a conclusion. The test for them is not whether one parent is more suitable than the other its to determine whether either parent is suitable. These cases are usually protracted and are very thorough.
The point I am making is that we have no idea what happened in this family case and its therefore very unfair to criticise or worse lambast the whole professional
It's a nice big answer, but doesn't actually address the concern I've raised. Well, I suppose it partially might, as you say, its all private, so maybe allegations were made, but if that were the case, would custody decisions not have been paused pending completion of judgement on abuse investigations?
If teachers (who, lets not forget, have a primary role of educating) are expected to be able to identify and raise cases of child abuse, solicitors and barristers who spend their time practicing family law (i.e. their primary role is dealing with relationships in difficulties) should have the exact same expectation of being able to identify and raise instances of abuse. Indeed, one would think the solicitors and barristers working with abuse victims would be much closer to their core role than teachers.
The requirement of the system to only kick in "if allegations are made" is, IMO, either a complete abdication of responsibility or a failure of the system to assign responsibility to both social workers and law practitioners to protect victims who are afraid to make the allegations.
Is it right that any professional whose client highlights abuse becomes a mandated person and is bound by law to report to the relevant authority?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 21, 2023, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 18, 2023, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 17, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Very surprised with your take on this.
My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.
Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.
*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?
**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.
Probably should jump in here and defend my colleagues. Not only is that a vast generalisation it also displays an ignorance of the legal system. Mistakes can and do happen and on that basis I have been very keen not to make any comment on this case because I wasn't involved. There are important general things that have to be remembered though.
Firstly and most importantly family courts are private and therefore it is impossible to know what was and what was not raised in any case but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature the court must conduct what is called a Re L hearing. That is a hearing to determine the truth of any allegation. That is done to the civil standard which is much lower than the criminal standard and involves a detailed and thorough investigation.
Social services will be involved and will investigate. They are notoriously conservative and will take very seriously any allegations of domestic abuse. Guardian Ad Litems will be appointed, they are specifically trained to speak to any children involved and to rely the views of those children through separate lawyers appointed by the Guardians.
Grandparents or other family members are also often separately represented.
The court will hear evidence and come to a conclusion. The test for them is not whether one parent is more suitable than the other its to determine whether either parent is suitable. These cases are usually protracted and are very thorough.
The point I am making is that we have no idea what happened in this family case and its therefore very unfair to criticise or worse lambast the whole professional
It's a nice big answer, but doesn't actually address the concern I've raised. Well, I suppose it partially might, as you say, its all private, so maybe allegations were made, but if that were the case, would custody decisions not have been paused pending completion of judgement on abuse investigations?
If teachers (who, lets not forget, have a primary role of educating) are expected to be able to identify and raise cases of child abuse, solicitors and barristers who spend their time practicing family law (i.e. their primary role is dealing with relationships in difficulties) should have the exact same expectation of being able to identify and raise instances of abuse. Indeed, one would think the solicitors and barristers working with abuse victims would be much closer to their core role than teachers.
The requirement of the system to only kick in "if allegations are made" is, IMO, either a complete abdication of responsibility or a failure of the system to assign responsibility to both social workers and law practitioners to protect victims who are afraid to make the allegations.
I preface this with I haven't practiced family law in about 10 years but solicitors duties are always to the court. If an allegation is made to them they will bring it to the attention of the court regardless of the wishes or feelings of the client or they will cease to act. If no allegation is made and they have a suspicion they will doubtlessly ask their client about it. If the client doesn't want to discuss the matter then it's difficult to see what exactly the solicitor can do other than cease to act. They are bound by privilege unless that privilege interferes with the duty to the court. They aren't investigators and don't make findings of fact.
To answer the other part of the question if an allegation is made the Re L hearing as it's called will take place. No final decision on residency, custody, visitation, etc will take place until the court is satisfied that the allegation has been properly investigated and a finding of fact made (on the civil standard) whether or not their had been sexual or physical or emotional violence.
A finding against a party does not disbar them from residency, custody etc but it makes it far more unlikely. The court isn't choosing which of two parties would be better. It's choosing what options are suitable. Then which of the suitable options are best for the children.
As these cases are strictly private we don't know when if allegations are made or not. What we do know though is if they are made then a detailed and usually lengthy investigation will have been made. The court will have considered all the evidence, the views of social services, the views of the children etc and only after that will it come to a decision from which there is an aromatic right of appeal.
If allegations aren't made (particularly when there's a risk of losing custody or residency or visiting right to your children) then it's not an unreasonable question to ask why weren't they made.
If on the other hand they were made it is reasonable to assume that a detailed and thorough examination took place the result of which did not prevent the accused as being assessed as a suitable candidate for any award subsequently made.
The case in question involves supervised visits of 1 hour at the weekend as I understand it. The question would be why this form was chosen and what if anything has changed in the meantime.
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Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 03:41:53 PMI was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
You have to open your wallet to get them to park their morals.
Those of us who practice criminal defence work are almost always asked how do you defend someone you know is guilty. I don't think any of us do it for the money. There are far more lucrative types of work.
Our role is to ensure that every person is entitled to a fair trial and everyone is entitled to have their case made in the best possible way. Our job is not to assess the guilt or innocence of the defendant. That's a job for the judge or jury. If someone confessed to us we can not plead them not guilty. Similarly we can't plead someone guilty if they don't accept the offence. Our job is to test the evidence and to advise defendants on both the strength of that evidence and the law. How they want a trial to be conducted is entirely up to them (within reason).
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Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 03:41:53 PMI was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
You have to open your wallet to get them to park their morals.
So he says anyway. Joe wouldn't have missed his chance of blowing kisses to the crowd at half time. Probably would have boycotted it just the same as he was invited by Biden to fly on Air Force One only the missus had a hair appointment ::)
Quote from: David McKeown on May 21, 2023, 02:35:37 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 21, 2023, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 19, 2023, 03:41:53 PMI was shocked to read that Joe Brolly was planning to boycott the Ulster Final if RG was there. Isn't or wasn't he a barrister? I'm sure he's had to defend some unsavoury characters
You have to open your wallet to get them to park their morals.
Those of us who practice criminal defence work are almost always asked how do you defend someone you know is guilty. I don't think any of us do it for the money. There are far more lucrative types of work.
Our role is to ensure that every person is entitled to a fair trial and everyone is entitled to have their case made in the best possible way. Our job is not to assess the guilt or innocence of the defendant. That's a job for the judge or jury. If someone confessed to us we can not plead them not guilty. Similarly we can't plead someone guilty if they don't accept the offence. Our job is to test the evidence and to advise defendants on both the strength of that evidence and the law. How they want a trial to be conducted is entirely up to them (within reason).
Great post and good to get clarification
Everyone should be wise by this stage to Joe's generalisations and assumptions. Personally I now treat all his articles with the scepticism they deserve and the sensationalism they crave. Some of the 98 team apparently not pleased that Joe seemed to speak on their behalf. Understandable. Most adults would rather be consulted first.
I think Joe crossed the line with a recent representation of a loyalist backed community worker, in most GAA eyes.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
I think Joe crossed the line with a recent representation of a loyalist backed community worker, in most GAA eyes.
Joe blows like the wind.
Don't take him too seriously and you'll be grand.
Runs with fox and hunts with the hounds!
Anyone who pays any heed to anything Joe Brolly says is a fool. He's a tall tale teller, that's where he starts and finishes. He's a stranger to the truth. Not to be take seriously.
It was reported today that Nicola Gallaghers Dad sent 5 emails to Derry GAA and that the email account they claimed to be defunct was shut down only last weekend. Its clear that Derry GAA knew but didn't act.
Quote from: ck on May 21, 2023, 08:34:40 PM
Anyone who pays any heed to anything Joe Brolly says is a fool. He's a tall tale teller, that's where he starts and finishes. He's a stranger to the truth. Not to be take seriously.
It was reported today that Nicola Gallaghers Dad sent 5 emails to Derry GAA and that the email account they claimed to be defunct was shut down only last weekend. Its clear that Derry GAA knew but didn't act.
Where are you getting this information from? Would need to be directly from the County Board or the email provider considering your first paragraph
Quote from: restorepride on May 21, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Everyone should be wise by this stage to Joe's generalisations and assumptions. Personally I now treat all his articles with the scepticism they deserve and the sensationalism they crave. Some of the 98 team apparently not pleased that Joe seemed to speak on their behalf. Understandable. Most adults would rather be consulted first.
Gonna sound like Brolly here, but I was talking to one of the men of '98. About Brolly. And he said "He's the type of boy you'd hit a dig and tell him to fcuk up. And that would be the end of it."
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 21, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on May 21, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Everyone should be wise by this stage to Joe's generalisations and assumptions. Personally I now treat all his articles with the scepticism they deserve and the sensationalism they crave. Some of the 98 team apparently not pleased that Joe seemed to speak on their behalf. Understandable. Most adults would rather be consulted first.
Gonna sound like Brolly here, but I was talking to one of the men of '98. About Brolly. And he said "He's the type of boy you'd hit a dig and tell him to fcuk up. And that would be the end of it."
98 0r 93? Galway beat Derry in 98
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 21, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on May 21, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Everyone should be wise by this stage to Joe's generalisations and assumptions. Personally I now treat all his articles with the scepticism they deserve and the sensationalism they crave. Some of the 98 team apparently not pleased that Joe seemed to speak on their behalf. Understandable. Most adults would rather be consulted first.
Gonna sound like Brolly here, but I was talking to one of the men of '98. About Brolly. And he said "He's the type of boy you'd hit a dig and tell him to fcuk up. And that would be the end of it."
98 0r 93? Galway beat Derry in 98
The 98 ulster final winners were on the pitch in clones at half time. Joe seemed to suggest they had agreed not to do it before gallagher stepped down
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 21, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on May 21, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Everyone should be wise by this stage to Joe's generalisations and assumptions. Personally I now treat all his articles with the scepticism they deserve and the sensationalism they crave. Some of the 98 team apparently not pleased that Joe seemed to speak on their behalf. Understandable. Most adults would rather be consulted first.
Gonna sound like Brolly here, but I was talking to one of the men of '98. About Brolly. And he said "He's the type of boy you'd hit a dig and tell him to fcuk up. And that would be the end of it."
Well they should have given more than one dig, and done it sooner, and saved us all from listening to his shite for so long.
The first casualty of a Joe Brolly article...
Quote from: JoG2 on May 21, 2023, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: ck on May 21, 2023, 08:34:40 PM
Anyone who pays any heed to anything Joe Brolly says is a fool. He's a tall tale teller, that's where he starts and finishes. He's a stranger to the truth. Not to be take seriously.
It was reported today that Nicola Gallaghers Dad sent 5 emails to Derry GAA and that the email account they claimed to be defunct was shut down only last weekend. Its clear that Derry GAA knew but didn't act.
Where are you getting this information from? Would need to be directly from the County Board or the email provider considering your first paragraph
Read my post again. I said It was reported today. In the Sunday Indo. Same journalist who interviewed Nicola Gallagher last week. Will try to get the link.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
Quote from: ck on May 21, 2023, 11:49:41 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
This report is actually a total misrepresentation of the facts , as reported in todays Irish News.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
Does it matter? As dirty as it feels to stick up for Derry the GAA is full of administrative errors and out of date information. An honest error from the looks of it. There doesn't always have to be a head to roll.
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
Who knows? Surely you, CK and a few others on here have had their pound of flesh from the Derry CB at this stage? Youse are insatiable, both barrels cocked and ready...
Anybody know who the Logan is who is defending Mr Gallagher? Hopefully he has nothing to do with the GAA
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
I think you will find that in any organisation with a high turnover of staff, and not only in a voluntary roles, there uis much left unfinished and untouched, for the simple reason no one really knows what is what. I have friends and relatives involved in various levels of the education system and they say it is not unusual for Email addresses to be superseded and forgot about.
In my own experience running a very small business over many years there are quite a few redundant Email addresses which I can no longer access. Which is the reason I am posting as Derryman forever and not just Derryman. I could not access my old email address to find a password.
Quote from: oakleaf93 on May 22, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Anybody know who the Logan is who is defending Mr Gallagher? Hopefully he has nothing to do with the GAA
Why?
Yes good question, why?
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
It wasn't a dud email, it was an old address. If you check 90% of counties websites you will see old email addresses on their websites. The county website normally is ran by the county pro who runs it in a voluntary capacity. If you really want to get a message across to a county board executive the only reliable way of doing it is via a phone call.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on May 22, 2023, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
It wasn't a dud email, it was an old address. If you check 90% of counties websites you will see old email addresses on their websites. The county website normally is ran by the county pro who runs it in a voluntary capacity. If you really want to get a message across to a county board executive the only reliable way of doing it is via a phone call.
That's what I would have thought as well. Surely you would follow it up with a phone call especially if there's been no response.
Maybe they wanted a paper trail, hard to say what was and what wasn't said in a call unless the call is recorded? Not sure if they are.
Email you should be able to trace etc. but a phone call is just I called but no evidence what is said unless it's recorded so a phone call isn't much good.
Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Croke Park ordered an audit
There were 5 emails from her father. They went to an administrator address.
They all got lost. Allegedly
Derry GAA spoke to him this week
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nicola-gallaghers-father-sent-five-emails-to-gaa-about-rory-gallaghers-alleged-abuse/a295909971.html
The Irish News has reported today that the investigation by croke park, has established that the Email Address used by Nicola's father was last accessed in Feb 2021. A full year prior to his submission of them.
Central GAA advised DCB to remove the address immediately, which they did last week. There is very clearly an agenda by the independent reporter to misrepresent the facts and damage the GAA in the process.
-So why was the dud email address on the Derry GAA website? Who was responsible for this ?
Ah yes - sure let's sack the volunteer responsible for updating this info
In fairness he/she would probably be delighted
Blame culture alive and well here
Quote from: Square Ball on May 22, 2023, 11:49:15 AM
Maybe they wanted a paper trail, hard to say what was and what wasn't said in a call unless the call is recorded? Not sure if they are.
agreed, but again normally the best approach is to finish the call by mentioning how you plan to email a copy of what you had discussed to a certain email address belonging to the county and for good measure email croke park too.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on May 22, 2023, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 22, 2023, 11:49:15 AM
Maybe they wanted a paper trail, hard to say what was and what wasn't said in a call unless the call is recorded? Not sure if they are.
agreed, but again normally the best approach is to finish the call by mentioning how you plan to email a copy of what you had discussed to a certain email address belonging to the county and for good measure email croke park too.
not the above case:
So an email goes through to whoever, they discuss said email/allegation with the relevant party, assurances are given that there is an ongoing private matter that has been dealt with by the authorities. Do you disregard that and go down another path or do you based on the email sack him rather than deal with the certain backlash that will come with it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2023, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on May 22, 2023, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 22, 2023, 11:49:15 AM
Maybe they wanted a paper trail, hard to say what was and what wasn't said in a call unless the call is recorded? Not sure if they are.
agreed, but again normally the best approach is to finish the call by mentioning how you plan to email a copy of what you had discussed to a certain email address belonging to the county and for good measure email croke park too.
not the above case:
So an email goes through to whoever, they discuss said email/allegation with the relevant party, assurances are given that there is an ongoing private matter that has been dealt with by the authorities. Do you disregard that and go down another path or do you based on the email sack him rather than deal with the certain backlash that will come with it?
Personly if no reply to an email I ring, if possible, discuss the email, then send one, following our discussions please see summary below and list what was discussed, but that's me.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ulster-gaa-appoints-independent-panel-to-review-allegations-against-former-derry-boss-rory-gallagher/a1456301395.html
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 07:42:57 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ulster-gaa-appoints-independent-panel-to-review-allegations-against-former-derry-boss-rory-gallagher/a1456301395.html
Heard a rumour there has been a court case or something like since the time which exonerates RG and he will be taken back by Derry next year.
Quote from: WT4E on August 25, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 07:42:57 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ulster-gaa-appoints-independent-panel-to-review-allegations-against-former-derry-boss-rory-gallagher/a1456301395.html
Heard a rumour there has been a court case or something like since the time which exonerates RG and he will be taken back by Derry next year.
You've your finger on the pulse re Gallagher, are these the same rumours you heard before or a new source?
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 25, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 07:42:57 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ulster-gaa-appoints-independent-panel-to-review-allegations-against-former-derry-boss-rory-gallagher/a1456301395.html
Heard a rumour there has been a court case or something like since the time which exonerates RG and he will be taken back by Derry next year.
You've your finger on the pulse re Gallagher, are these the same rumours you heard before or a new source?
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Heard something very similar
Is he not working with Banty down in Monaghan?
Just after reading Cahir O'Kanes assessment of Derry's year in the Irish News, interesting to note he mentioned rumours of Gallagher's return sweeping the county under the Manager status section - no doubt fueled by the no news in regards to Meenagh's future.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 25, 2023, 10:18:01 AM
Just after reading Cahir O'Kanes assessment of Derry's year in the Irish News, interesting to note he mentioned rumours of Gallagher's return sweeping the county under the Manager status section - no doubt fueled by the no news in regards to Meenagh's future.
interesting how they would close out the maguire allegations
In purely management terms, I'd 100% welcome RG back, though I've heard nothing about this being even a possibility.
But if as some people have said he has been exonerated through courts, then there shouldn't be any barriers to his return.
It would still be a big decision for DCB though as I'm sure there will still be a contingent who would not want him associated with Derry even if he was exonerated as they will say just because he got off doesn't mean he's innocent. Last thing we'd need is protests or social media campaigns.
It's complicated. .Ask Paddy Jackson
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 11:27:43 AM
It's complicated. .Ask Paddy Jackson
I forgot all about him, and his mate too who's name I cant remember.
He still did go on to continue his rugby career, just not here.
Decent comparison I guess, though his was a court case played out in public where all the sordid details from both sides came out.
We don't have anything like that level of detail in the RG case. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
He isn't finished in the GAA though?
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Apart from Derry and Corduff!
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Even if fully exonerated through the courts?
Quote from: the goal was on on August 25, 2023, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Apart from Derry and Corduff!
Is Banty giving him a few quid?
Quote from: seanyb on August 25, 2023, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
He isn't finished in the GAA though?
Agree, possibility he will be back with Derry. The wheels are in motion.
County board dragging their feet on this again. We need to know now who the Senior manager will be for next season.
Are they holding out for O'Rourke? If so I can understand it but if not then it's a farce.
It can't be Gallagher!
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 07:42:57 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ulster-gaa-appoints-independent-panel-to-review-allegations-against-former-derry-boss-rory-gallagher/a1456301395.html
Heard a rumour there has been a court case or something like since the time which exonerates RG and he will be taken back by Derry next year.
You've your finger on the pulse re Gallagher, are these the same rumours you heard before or a new source?
A few on here, hearing the same. Have u a pulse yourself
Is Meenagh not interested ?
Quote from: toby47 on August 25, 2023, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: seanyb on August 25, 2023, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
He isn't finished in the GAA though?
Agree, possibility he will be back with Derry. The wheels are in motion.
Is that why there's no movement on Ciaran Meenagh's future?
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 25, 2023, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Even if fully exonerated through the courts?
Yeah even if he is fully exonerated.
Smaller scale version of the Mason Greenwood situation.
He is way too toxic now for anyone to touch
Court exoneration is not necessarily any protection.
I genuinely can't believe the Derry County Board are even considering this - surely they had moved passed him & if Ciaran Meenagh wasn't in a capacity to continue then after the year Derry have had they've moved into a totally different bracket to attract top men.
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 25, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
I genuinely can't believe the Derry County Board are even considering this - surely they had moved passed him & if Ciaran Meenagh wasn't in a capacity to continue then after the year Derry have had they've moved into a totally different bracket to attract top men.
just on that, really who is the candidates apart from O'Rourke? There isn't too many I can think of
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 25, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
I genuinely can't believe the Derry County Board are even considering this - surely they had moved passed him & if Ciaran Meenagh wasn't in a capacity to continue then after the year Derry have had they've moved into a totally different bracket to attract top men.
Who actually says they are? I've yet to see any serious evidence to back it up.
I would imagine there are enough intelligent people around Derry GAA to ensure this isn't the case.
Quote from: seanyb on August 25, 2023, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 25, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
I genuinely can't believe the Derry County Board are even considering this - surely they had moved passed him & if Ciaran Meenagh wasn't in a capacity to continue then after the year Derry have had they've moved into a totally different bracket to attract top men.
just on that, really who is the candidates apart from O'Rourke? There isn't too many I can think of
But if Derry are spending €1m per year....
Quote from: seafoid on August 25, 2023, 01:57:19 PM
Court exoneration is not necessarily any protection.
Would be madness Derry taking him back. Presumably he's been through a criminal legal process, there's nothing stopping his ex taking a civil action and bringing the whole thing back into focus
The longer the void created surrounding Meenaghs future, the greater the speculation will increase around Gallagher. Derry are out of the championship 6 weeks at this stage so it is strange that a sitting manager hasn't indicated his future plans yet. I'd say Gallagher might have inclinations to come back but I don't see it happening either. Whether or not he is found guilty in a court of law it is the court of public opinion that will prevail.
Presumably the Meenagh situation is contingent on what happens with Gallagher. The public will ultimately decide as in the Greenwood and Jackson precedents.
It's like chess. He is stronger than her. But court is not checkmate.
All we have is speculation at this point so I wouldn't be co vi ced there's even any notion of him coming back.
What I would say is the DCB should be given time to sort the management position without being hassled by us, the fans, for an answer.
They've done a good job over the last 4 or 5 years and I think deserve to be allowed the space to resolve the management question at their own speed.
In management terms I'd be happy with meenagh, Gallagher or MOR. But let's wait to see what happens.
It be O'Rourke i think with Meenagh etc staying on, what way that works, as Porter normally comes with him. How it work with county football started up long before the club football ends am not sure, as I expect Glen to come out of Ulster again.
https://twitter.com/rodneyedwards/status/1700772894589042746?t=u3y0dV1t78_7AVUyPjXA_w&s=19
Front page of the Sunday World
Are they still selling that Rag?
Where are they alleging he's coaching?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2023, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Where are they alleging he's coaching?
Corduff.
This will do serious damage to their good reputation. Oh wait....
Aren't Corduff the crowd that have been mentioned by a few other teams in the Ulster league as an unpleasant shower
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Dont underestimate the NGO's. They will make his life hell if he tries to come back to Derry.
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Do you think Derry CB should have him back?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2023, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Where are they alleging he's coaching?
Corduff.
This will do serious damage to their good reputation. Oh wait....
He's been with Corduff for months.
Quote from: ck on September 10, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2023, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Where are they alleging he's coaching?
Corduff.
This will do serious damage to their good reputation. Oh wait....
He's been with Corduff for months.
i'd say such info would have leaked out much sooner if that was the case.
Ulster GAA statement on the matter.
"we wish to confirm that Mr Rory Gallagher ha been temporarily debarred, without prejudice from the GAA until the Ulster GAA safeguarding panel conclude their work."
"We will not be making any further comment on these matters at this time"
The GAA were probably waiting for the right moment
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 11, 2023, 02:26:39 AM
Quote from: ck on September 10, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 10, 2023, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Where are they alleging he's coaching?
Corduff.
This will do serious damage to their good reputation. Oh wait....
He's been with Corduff for months.
i'd say such info would have leaked out much sooner if that was the case.
Ulster GAA statement on the matter.
"we wish to confirm that Mr Rory Gallagher ha been temporarily debarred, without prejudice from the GAA until the Ulster GAA safeguarding panel conclude their work."
"We will not be making any further comment on these matters at this time"
It seems it did leak out much sooner.
Quote from: the goal was on on August 25, 2023, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
He is finished in the GAA, no one would touch him now at this stage.
Apart from Derry and Corduff!
As long as it wasn't generally known he was probably ok. Most people wouldn't be paying attention to developments at Corduff.
Many wouldn't even know where Corduff is!
But a national newspaper is a different issue. And it's front page, because of the level of public interest in the story.
The big downside risk for the GAA if he is cleared is his reputation, especially amongst women. It may already be banjaxed. Social media judgement happens fast.
Paddy Jackson is not training with the Irish squad at the World Cup.
It doesn't matter how talented he is or how weak the alternatives to Sexton are.
That's how it works.
Surely at least one girlfriend/wife/Mammy of the Corduff players would've known. Crazy that this didn't get out sooner in this day and age
What does it say about the former Ref brother who still has a prominent role in the gaa.Banty has no scruples money is his GOD and RG has been there 2 years not weeks.
He's been in corduff all year as he was was there last year as well and has been on the sidelines at matches as well. Banty though is the king of rule breaking and as someone mentioned a prominent ref alongside him! You couldn't make it up.
It is well known and widely discussed that he has been at Corduff feeding from Bantys millions, for a long time now.
Just because the media were slow to the party doesnt mean it wasnt happening.
I'm sure the Corduff club are proud of their actions.
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Source?
Hopefully not true.
As for RG, I don't think its worth commenting. For me it seems like there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
I really don't like the trial by social media stuff, its unfair on everyone involved and could influence legal proceedings in any direction.
I also think that unless there's legal charges and verdicts we shouldn't be treating people as though they are guilty.
But....if my daughter made allegations like this about her boyfriend or husband I'd have a totally different view I guess.
Difficult situation and I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to influence any of it by casting views on individuals online, especially when I don't know all the details.
14 May
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/14/rory-gallagher-the-great-unmentionable-as-derry-win-ulster-final-on-penalties-against-armagh/
His absence in the wake of domestic abuse allegations by his ex-wife meant that the occasion could go off without everyone on tenterhooks. The last thing the Ulster Council wanted was an incident or a talking point.On television, RTÉ cut to an ad break before Conor Glass began his winning captain's speech, presumably erring on the side of caution.
I heard from a friend that Gallagher's father was arrested for harassing people at a fund-raiser for a women's shelter a few weeks back.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 11, 2023, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Source?
Hopefully not true.
As for RG, I don't think its worth commenting. For me it seems like there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
I really don't like the trial by social media stuff, its unfair on everyone involved and could influence legal proceedings in any direction.
I also think that unless there's legal charges and verdicts we shouldn't be treating people as though they are guilty.
But....if my daughter made allegations like this about her boyfriend or husband I'd have a totally different view I guess.
Difficult situation and I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to influence any of it by casting views on individuals online, especially when I don't know all the details.
Good luck with that!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/ciaran-meenagh-derry-football-manager-27695678?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 11, 2023, 12:03:06 PM
I heard from a friend that Gallagher's father was arrested for harassing people at a fund-raiser for a women's shelter a few weeks back.
No secret there. Was front page of the Impartial Reporter at the time.
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23715275.ex-derry-boss-rory-gallaghers-father-arrested/
Question for Derry supporters on here!
Should the CB have him back?
Quote from: APM on September 11, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
Question for Derry supporters on here!
Should the CB have him back?
Based on anecdotal conversation, I'd say the majority of Derry fans would have him back tomorrow.
My concern now is that the unique style of play we have been developing for 4 years is now over just as we were getting very good at it. A new manager will have new ideas and a new way of playing that the players will have to adapt to in D1. He needs to be appointed asap. If RG was still there I've no doubt plans would be well under way for the new season.
Quote from: Mario on September 11, 2023, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: APM on September 11, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
Question for Derry supporters on here!
Should the CB have him back?
Based on anecdotal conversation, I'd say the majority of Derry fans would have him back tomorrow.
My concern now is that the unique style of play we have been developing for 4 years is now over just as we were getting very good at it. A new manager will have new ideas and a new way of playing that the players will have to adapt to in D1. He needs to be appointed asap. If RG was still there I've no doubt plans would be well under way for the new season.
Surely the fact he's never denied is enough proof
G that like Gerry Adams saying he was not in the IRA, you believe him?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 11, 2023, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Source?
Hopefully not true.
As for RG, I don't think its worth commenting. For me it seems like there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
I really don't like the trial by social media stuff, its unfair on everyone involved and could influence legal proceedings in any direction.
I also think that unless there's legal charges and verdicts we shouldn't be treating people as though they are guilty.
But....if my daughter made allegations like this about her boyfriend or husband I'd have a totally different view I guess.
Difficult situation and I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to influence any of it by casting views on individuals online, especially when I don't know all the details.
Good luck with that!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/ciaran-meenagh-derry-football-manager-27695678?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
Finger on the pulse jog2 hope ur not crying into your cornflakes.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 11, 2023, 07:59:11 PM
G that like Gerry Adams saying he was not in the IRA, you believe him?
Exactly point proven
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 11, 2023, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Source?
Hopefully not true.
As for RG, I don't think its worth commenting. For me it seems like there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
I really don't like the trial by social media stuff, its unfair on everyone involved and could influence legal proceedings in any direction.
I also think that unless there's legal charges and verdicts we shouldn't be treating people as though they are guilty.
But....if my daughter made allegations like this about her boyfriend or husband I'd have a totally different view I guess.
Difficult situation and I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to influence any of it by casting views on individuals online, especially when I don't know all the details.
Good luck with that!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/ciaran-meenagh-derry-football-manager-27695678?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
Finger on the pulse jog2 hope ur not crying into your cornflakes.
It's OK to say WhatsApp, your source of all things Derry related
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2023, 08:30:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 11, 2023, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 11, 2023, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 10, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2023, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
Are they still selling that Rag?
;D.. The rag's rag
Finger on the pulse. Meenagh gone.... only a matter of time til RG back
Source?
Hopefully not true.
As for RG, I don't think its worth commenting. For me it seems like there's so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
I really don't like the trial by social media stuff, its unfair on everyone involved and could influence legal proceedings in any direction.
I also think that unless there's legal charges and verdicts we shouldn't be treating people as though they are guilty.
But....if my daughter made allegations like this about her boyfriend or husband I'd have a totally different view I guess.
Difficult situation and I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to influence any of it by casting views on individuals online, especially when I don't know all the details.
Good luck with that!
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/ciaran-meenagh-derry-football-manager-27695678?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
Finger on the pulse jog2 hope ur not crying into your cornflakes.
It's OK to say WhatsApp, your source of all things Derry related
Knew that on friday and It's not WhatsApp and I'm one step ahead of u anyway lol
Meenagh doesn't want to continue and now Malachy O'Rourke is favourite to take over per OTB. Not sure what whatsapp is saying
Between the jigs and the reels of the past few days it fairly clear what has happened here..
RG has been coaching Corduff (funded by Banty) which led to the media running a story about it. The GAA then act (react!) and bar him from GAA. Derry (who had one key member of CBoard itching for RG to return) then realise the game is up. Meenagh who had been waiting for a possible RG return then is instructed to make a statement that he is stepping down.. why? Because Malachy O'Rourke will now be appointed with a new backroom team.
How on earth the Derry CBoard ever thought they could get away with bringing RG back is beyond me. The man will now never coach another team again.
Quote from: ck on September 13, 2023, 11:41:04 AM
Between the jigs and the reels of the past few days it fairly clear what has happened here..
RG has been coaching Corduff (funded by Banty) which led to the media running a story about it. The GAA then act (react!) and bar him from GAA. Derry (who had one key member of CBoard itching for RG to return) then realise the game is up. Meenagh who had been waiting for a possible RG return then is instructed to make a statement that he is stepping down.. why? Because Malachy O'Rourke will now be appointed with a new backroom team.
How on earth the Derry CBoard ever thought they could get away with bringing RG back is beyond me. The man will now never coach another team again.
Naill on head there and from chatting to a few it seems gallagher was still an active presence up until this week and expected to be kept on.
Quote from: APM on September 11, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
Question for Derry supporters on here!
Should the CB have him back?
No!
All a bit up in the air!
Firstly....Derry CB considering the return of RG.....absolute lunacy......surely not....read the room ffs...
Secondly....would CM be happy enough to return as a number 2 after his success as number 1.....I'm not so sure...maybe he would....
Thirdly.....M'OR happy enough to give up his position at Glen to take the Derry job?? Both unbelievable opportunities...how do you choose (? ££££)....I don't think a hybrid works if that's the thinking!
Hard to know what to make of it all..
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on September 13, 2023, 06:03:42 PM
All a bit up in the air!
Firstly....Derry CB considering the return of RG.....absolute lunacy......surely not....read the room ffs...
Secondly....would CM be happy enough to return as a number 2 after his success as number 1.....I'm not so sure...maybe he would....
Thirdly.....M'OR happy enough to give up his position at Glen to take the Derry job?? Both unbelievable opportunities...how do you choose (? ££££)....I don't think a hybrid works if that's the thinking!
Hard to know what to make of it all..
Derry GAA confirmed that Rory Gallagher will not be returning as manager.
One recent manager I recall double jobbing was Anthony Cunningham when led Garycastle to AI final and was also Galway Hurling manager at the time, he then focused fully with Galway. Something O'Rourke could do once Glen's season is over.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 13, 2023, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on September 13, 2023, 06:03:42 PM
All a bit up in the air!
Firstly....Derry CB considering the return of RG.....absolute lunacy......surely not....read the room ffs...
Secondly....would CM be happy enough to return as a number 2 after his success as number 1.....I'm not so sure...maybe he would....
Thirdly.....M'OR happy enough to give up his position at Glen to take the Derry job?? Both unbelievable opportunities...how do you choose (? ££££)....I don't think a hybrid works if that's the thinking!
Hard to know what to make of it all..
Derry GAA confirmed that Rory Gallagher will not be returning as manager.
One recent manager I recall double jobbing was Anthony Cunningham when led Garycastle to AI final and was also Galway Hurling manager at the time, he then focused fully with Galway. Something O'Rourke could do once Glen's season is over.
The length of time that it took to completely rule RG out raises questions...
The uncertainty around CM....
The fact that there has been no official announcement on the the new appointment so late in the day....strange...
Double jobbing.....not sure either Glen or Derry would be happy with that...but sure what would I know!
So was Meenagh willing to stay but given a gentle push ?
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 13, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Weasel, you are the gossip here.
Derry (as in the inner circle of CEO, Chair, PRO and main sponsor) were hell bent on reinstating RG, irrespective of the consequences or blowback. As close as last week, they were going to announce this, until it was scuppered by the Ulster Council statement outlining the fact that TG was still debarred from the association. Meenagh remained in situ for 57 days as he too thought Gallagher would be returning. Once it became clear he wasn't CM announced he wouldn't be returning. As for your statement re the Glen manager Malachy O'Rourke, again, like the various articles doing the rounds in the Irish news and Bel Tel, it's just poorly researched idle speculation.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 13, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Weasel, you are the gossip here.
Derry (as in the inner circle of CEO, Chair, PRO and main sponsor) were hell bent on reinstating RG, irrespective of the consequences or blowback. As close as last week, they were going to announce this, until it was scuppered by the Ulster Council statement outlining the fact that TG was still debarred from the association. Meenagh remained in situ for 57 days as he too thought Gallagher would be returning. Once it became clear he wasn't CM announced he wouldn't be returning. As for your statement re the Glen manager Malachy O'Rourke, again, like the various articles doing the rounds in the Irish news and Bel Tel, it's just poorly researched idle speculation.
This feels like it could be along the lines of what happened. Always got the feeling Meenagh didn't want to be the man in the spotlight out front, but I actually think he could be a bigger loss that RG in the long run.
A lot of what I heard was that he was the tactician behind the scenes that created the style of play to make us harder to beat which ultimately led to promotions back up through the divisions.
I'm not sure that the inner circle, as you call them, were
hell bent on reinstating RG but I would imagine in footballing terms they were probably thinking that we need that continuity to push us over the line.
New management might also push us on, but we could also slip back initially depending on what approach they decide to take.
Personally, I thought they would wait until the Ulster Council had finished what ever review they are doing and if it was positive they could be more comfortable in re-appointing him with some of the flak going the ulster council way. But it seems that is not the case.
We just need to draw a line under RG and Meenagh now and try to move forward, unless MOR doesn't want the Derry job. In that case, I'd be hell bent on getting Meenagh back in some capacity.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 14, 2023, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 14, 2023, 07:43:54 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 13, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Weasel, you are the gossip here.
Derry (as in the inner circle of CEO, Chair, PRO and main sponsor) were hell bent on reinstating RG, irrespective of the consequences or blowback. As close as last week, they were going to announce this, until it was scuppered by the Ulster Council statement outlining the fact that TG was still debarred from the association. Meenagh remained in situ for 57 days as he too thought Gallagher would be returning. Once it became clear he wasn't CM announced he wouldn't be returning. As for your statement re the Glen manager Malachy O'Rourke, again, like the various articles doing the rounds in the Irish news and Bel Tel, it's just poorly researched idle speculation.
This feels like it could be along the lines of what happened. Always got the feeling Meenagh didn't want to be the man in the spotlight out front, but I actually think he could be a bigger loss that RG in the long run.
A lot of what I heard was that he was the tactician behind the scenes that created the style of play to make us harder to beat which ultimately led to promotions back up through the divisions.
I'm not sure that the inner circle, as you call them, were hell bent on reinstating RG but I would imagine in footballing terms they were probably thinking that we need that continuity to push us over the line.
New management might also push us on, but we could also slip back initially depending on what approach they decide to take.
Personally, I thought they would wait until the Ulster Council had finished what ever review they are doing and if it was positive they could be more comfortable in re-appointing him with some of the flak going the ulster council way. But it seems that is not the case.
We just need to draw a line under RG and Meenagh now and try to move forward, unless MOR doesn't want the Derry job. In that case, I'd be hell bent on getting Meenagh back in some capacity.
deluded. as much as i wouldnt be fan of rorys style or behaviour on line it was his work and methods that brought derry forward. If he hadnt came in it would never happened. More believeable is the likelihood that gallagher was still calling the shots alongside his brother right up until the semi defeat.
Quote from: Silver hill on September 14, 2023, 07:43:54 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 13, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Weasel, you are the gossip here.
Derry (as in the inner circle of CEO, Chair, PRO and main sponsor) were hell bent on reinstating RG, irrespective of the consequences or blowback. As close as last week, they were going to announce this, until it was scuppered by the Ulster Council statement outlining the fact that TG was still debarred from the association. Meenagh remained in situ for 57 days as he too thought Gallagher would be returning. Once it became clear he wasn't CM announced he wouldn't be returning. As for your statement re the Glen manager Malachy O'Rourke, again, like the various articles doing the rounds in the Irish news and Bel Tel, it's just poorly researched idle speculation.
Calling out some gossip with gossip/speculation of your own.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 14, 2023, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 14, 2023, 07:43:54 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 13, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
Lads u worse than a bunch of gossiping woman, O'Rourke was always getting it, and that was going round awhile. I had hoped Meenagh stay on with him, not even sure why the Gallagher stuff popped up, Derry were never gonna bother with him again, and he only been mentioned as he been seen with Corduff this week.
Weasel, you are the gossip here.
Derry (as in the inner circle of CEO, Chair, PRO and main sponsor) were hell bent on reinstating RG, irrespective of the consequences or blowback. As close as last week, they were going to announce this, until it was scuppered by the Ulster Council statement outlining the fact that TG was still debarred from the association. Meenagh remained in situ for 57 days as he too thought Gallagher would be returning. Once it became clear he wasn't CM announced he wouldn't be returning. As for your statement re the Glen manager Malachy O'Rourke, again, like the various articles doing the rounds in the Irish news and Bel Tel, it's just poorly researched idle speculation.
Calling out some gossip with gossip/speculation of your own.
I can assure you, none of what I've said above is gossip.
Quote from: Silver hill on September 14, 2023, 07:38:49 PM
I can assure you, none of what I've said above is gossip.
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Would Ross Byrne be better than Paddy Jackson?
I don't think it matters how good RG is if he is a liability.
Derry can be happy that their decision making ability was helped by the Sunday World...
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2023, 02:18:29 PM
Derry can be happy that their decision making ability was helped by the Sunday World...
Absolutely correct.
It took a tabloid rag to expose the inept way that Derry have handled this from start to finish. Their hand was forced on a number of occasions and even up until last week have been trying to bring RG back in. Their ability to read the room has been non existent and they deserve all the criticism that comes their way. Any Derry Gaels I know are disgusted by the whole thing, and relieved that Croke Park stepped in to say that RG is barred from the association.
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2023, 02:18:29 PM
Derry can be happy that their decision making ability was helped by the Sunday World...
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Depends on your outlook...from an inner circle perspective, it was very bad timing (as they wanted to announce his return) however, from a wider brand Derry outlook. It was a timely intervention.
However, don't rule out Derry trying again to bring RG back in a few months, irrespective of Dermot McPeake's statement to the Irish News.
Meenagh is very employable
He is one of the younger generation of managers with really good ideas.
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1680631410552340482
Davy Burke
Ros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rIq_p8Btzg&t=6180s
Corey https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1680291132675112962
They do scenarios and are good tactically and man managers plus they are good on TV.
All the gossip/speculation on this thread and wasn't one mention of Mickey Harte to become the new Derry manager. No doubt some chap will be on here shortly to say that appointment was known weeks ago
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2023, 09:55:50 PMAll the gossip/speculation on this thread and wasn't one mention of Mickey Harte to become the new Derry manager. No doubt some chap will be on here shortly to say that appointment was known weeks ago
that appointment was known weeks ago.
Unfortunately noone had told me.
Might be idle gossip, but someone told me yesterday that RG had his ban from the GAA lifted.
Can anyone confirm?
Sure it been temp suspended last few weeks did it not. It all come to nothing, there's nothing previously brought up that hadn't been through the court arena twice already.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 29, 2023, 11:24:06 AMMight be idle gossip, but someone told me yesterday that RG had his ban from the GAA lifted.
Can anyone confirm?
I heard the opposite. The GAA looking for the evidence from court case to make sure he gets a life time ban.
Quote from: ck on September 29, 2023, 10:48:55 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on September 29, 2023, 11:24:06 AMMight be idle gossip, but someone told me yesterday that RG had his ban from the GAA lifted.
Can anyone confirm?
I heard the opposite. The GAA looking for the evidence from court case to make sure he gets a life time ban.
The GAA don't want to be associated with him any more than the IRFU want to be associated with Sue me Paddy Jackson. The Sunday Independent interview was the gamechanger.
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2023, 12:25:49 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2023, 10:48:55 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on September 29, 2023, 11:24:06 AMMight be idle gossip, but someone told me yesterday that RG had his ban from the GAA lifted.
Can anyone confirm?
I heard the opposite. The GAA looking for the evidence from court case to make sure he gets a life time ban.
The GAA don't want to be associated with him any more than the IRFU want to be associated with Sue me Paddy Jackson. The Sunday Independent interview was the gamechanger.
Any links to the interview? Didn't know about it...
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 02, 2023, 09:38:32 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2023, 12:25:49 PMQuote from: ck on September 29, 2023, 10:48:55 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on September 29, 2023, 11:24:06 AMMight be idle gossip, but someone told me yesterday that RG had his ban from the GAA lifted.
Can anyone confirm?
I heard the opposite. The GAA looking for the evidence from court case to make sure he gets a life time ban.
The GAA don't want to be associated with him any more than the IRFU want to be associated with Sue me Paddy Jackson. The Sunday Independent interview was the gamechanger.
Any links to the interview? Didn't know about it...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/if-my-story-helps-one-woman-or-man-then-it-will-have-been-worth-it-nicola-gallagher-on-domestic-abuse-claims/a1936363625.html
How can you get a lifetime ban from the GAA, i.e. what are the actual offences in the rulebook that warrant such a ban?
There are players playing currently who have actually done worse than what Gallagher has allegedly done, should they get life bans too?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2023, 10:40:19 PMHow can you get a lifetime ban from the GAA, i.e. what are the actual offences in the rulebook that warrant such a ban?
There are players playing currently who have actually done worse than what Gallagher has allegedly done, should they get life bans too?
There are convicted murders that have played GAA and not thing said ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2023, 09:25:51 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2023, 10:40:19 PMHow can you get a lifetime ban from the GAA, i.e. what are the actual offences in the rulebook that warrant such a ban?
There are players playing currently who have actually done worse than what Gallagher has allegedly done, should they get life bans too?
There are convicted murders that have played GAA and not thing said ;)
Sean Hackett playing for Maghery this year.
Corduff trained in Louth.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2023, 10:40:19 PMHow can you get a lifetime ban from the GAA, i.e. what are the actual offences in the rulebook that warrant such a ban?
There are players playing currently who have actually done worse than what Gallagher has allegedly done, should they get life bans too?
This is the thing that annoys me about all of this.
Gallagher has been found guilty by social media and has subsequently been "cancelled" (look how down with the kids I am).
Seemingly allegations against him have been reviewed by the PPS and there are no criminal charges AND he has custody of the kids.
So, legally, he has done nothing wrong.
We all know that doesn't mean he's innocent, but it also doesn't mean he's guilty. As in most things, I suspect the true story lies somewhere in the middle.
Really he has been cancelled from the GAA on moral grounds.
So if we take that a step further, where do the moral grounds stop? Murderers? Ex-Paramilitaries? Drug dealers/users? Dangerous driving? Alcoholics? Rapists?
As an organisation do we pick in choose what moral high ground we take based on how loud the social medial noise is?
I just don't agree with that. Either we have regs to state who can and cannot been involved or we don't, and if we don't then anyone can be involved.
When coaching kids we have to do an AccessNI check. I assume there are similar checks in the south.
Why not a blanket rule that any players/coaches/management/officials all must have clean records and are subject to AccessNI/background checks. That covers everything consistently and rules out the social media nonsense.
Right I played a few years where our midfielder had done no.of years for IRA post office robberies plus a ton of semtex in the roof space in a small housing estate. Playing on the other team was his OC in the Maze that had been in for top level serious activity. Playing away in Derry, Not a issue, I knew dodgy drug dealers playing too, again not a word said. So how had Gallagher done any worse than them lads who never got suspended for what they done.
If there are drug dealers then they should not be welcome either.
For me I think when it involves the fairer sex these days all bets are off whats goin happen
I don't see how the GAA bans him for life without leaving themselves open to being embarrassed in a court of law themselves, with the inevitable challenge.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2023, 10:40:19 PMHow can you get a lifetime ban from the GAA, i.e. what are the actual offences in the rulebook that warrant such a ban?
There are players playing currently who have actually done worse than what Gallagher has allegedly done, should they get life bans too?
There is a GAA youtuber who often invites a former player onto his podcast. This player was in court for abusing his girlfriend and threatening to kill her, there are newspaper articles about it. I sent the youtuber a link on twitter and he blocked me. Human hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2023, 10:30:52 AMCorduff trained in Louth.
Yes, and RG was training them up till last Thurs night. Ulster council ruling doesnt apply in Leinster.
Where do you draw the line on it? Plus the fact is that he hasn't been convicted of anything. If someone has done time and paid their debt to society so to speak should they not be allowed back to play/coach?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 11, 2023, 11:56:15 PMWhere do you draw the line on it? Plus the fact is that he hasn't been convicted of anything. If someone has done time and paid their debt to society so to speak should they not be allowed back to play/coach?
Is he even under investigation by the PSNI/Garda?
Quote from: ck on October 11, 2023, 10:16:12 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on October 11, 2023, 10:30:52 AMCorduff trained in Louth.
Yes, and RG was training them up till last Thurs night. Ulster council ruling doesnt apply in Leinster.
After the antics doing the rounds from their match against Scotstown that isn't surprising.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 11, 2023, 06:23:22 PMRight I played a few years where our midfielder had done no.of years for IRA post office robberies plus a ton of semtex in the roof space in a small housing estate. Playing on the other team was his OC in the Maze that had been in for top level serious activity. Playing away in Derry, Not a issue, I knew dodgy drug dealers playing too, again not a word said. So how had Gallagher done any worse than them lads who never got suspended for what they done.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
The subjective moral high ground dictated by social media is not how it should be done.
Either we accept the legal processes have done their part and we go with that, or we define a set of principles within the organisation that clearly state who can/cannot be involved.
This case by case, depending on social media outrage, approach is subjective and unbalanced.
I in no way condone domestic abuse, but if courts and PPS have nothing to prosecute and the GAA has no written rules then how can RG be removed from the GAA?
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 12, 2023, 10:27:36 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 11, 2023, 06:23:22 PMRight I played a few years where our midfielder had done no.of years for IRA post office robberies plus a ton of semtex in the roof space in a small housing estate. Playing on the other team was his OC in the Maze that had been in for top level serious activity. Playing away in Derry, Not a issue, I knew dodgy drug dealers playing too, again not a word said. So how had Gallagher done any worse than them lads who never got suspended for what they done.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
The subjective moral high ground dictated by social media is not how it should be done.
Either we accept the legal processes have done their part and we go with that, or we define a set of principles within the organisation that clearly state who can/cannot be involved.
This case by case, depending on social media outrage, approach is subjective and unbalanced.
I in no way condone domestic abuse, but if courts and PPS have nothing to prosecute and the GAA has no written rules then how can RG be removed from the GAA?
The court of public opinion is far from ideal, weak of the GAA to implement a suspension under that premise if true, completely insane for a Monaghan club team to travel to Louth for training to get around that suspension if true, weak from the club and players point of view
Wonder if DJ Carey will get a lifetime ban? In saying that, Hackett, McCarron etc. never got one so maybe he won't either.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 04, 2023, 02:34:17 PMWonder if DJ Carey will get a lifetime ban? In saying that, Hackett, McCarron etc. never got one so maybe he won't either.
In 2020 the GAA committed itself to an intl charter which takes action against male violence towards women, the RG investigation has not yet been concluded.
What about male on male violence, the face biter shouldn't be allowed to kick a ball again but u the club had any balls they just show him the road.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41341502.html#:~:text=Former%20Derry%20manager%20Rory%20Gallagher's,precluded%20him%20from%20coaching%20teams.
Quote from: LC on February 28, 2024, 11:21:06 AMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41341502.html#:~:text=Former%20Derry%20manager%20Rory%20Gallagher's,precluded%20him%20from%20coaching%20teams.
That's interesting. So Ulster GAA couldn't debar him and so he's free to coach and manage.
I wonder why this took so long as I assume the debarring could have been brought to DRA at the time rather than Feb this year. Perhaps RG was collecting evidence or an investigation concluded?
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 28, 2024, 12:12:49 PMQuote from: LC on February 28, 2024, 11:21:06 AMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41341502.html#:~:text=Former%20Derry%20manager%20Rory%20Gallagher's,precluded%20him%20from%20coaching%20teams.
That's interesting. So Ulster GAA couldn't debar him and so he's free to coach and manage.
I wonder why this took so long as I assume the debarring could have been brought to DRA at the time rather than Feb this year. Perhaps RG was collecting evidence or an investigation concluded?
He is in the same orbit as sue me Paddy Jackson, who never got to play for Ireland again
"Gallagher had been temporarily barred by the Ulster Council as they commissioned a safeguarding panel to look into domestic abuse allegations pertaining to his private life."
Not really sure what the point of this was. If they catch wind of brown envelope payments, drug use, various forms of abuse etc.., I wonder is this just the start of the panel's investigations into member's private lives?
Be a brave team takes him on tbh ..
Punishment enough watching the team he built do the treble this year.
Quote from: skeog on February 28, 2024, 01:50:54 PMPunishment enough watching the team he built do the treble this year.
Fingers crossed
Quote from: skeog on February 28, 2024, 01:50:54 PMPunishment enough watching the team he built do the treble this year.
Quadruple, there is already one in the bag
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 01:12:00 PMBe a brave team takes him on tbh ..
Teams will be queueing up for him
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 01:12:00 PMBe a brave team takes him on tbh ..
probably get a lot of work behind the scenes away from media attention. Not sure we'll see him on the sidelines as a main man again.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 01:12:00 PMBe a brave team takes him on tbh ..
Would say more about that club or county team if they appoint him as their manager in the future.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 28, 2024, 04:06:50 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 01:12:00 PMBe a brave team takes him on tbh ..
Would say more about that club or county team if they appoint him as their manager in the future.
What has be proven guilty of?
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2024, 04:32:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 28, 2024, 04:06:50 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 01:12:00 PMBe a brave team takes him on tbh ..
Would say more about that club or county team if they appoint him as their manager in the future.
What has be proven guilty of?
We see all kinds of accusations against multiple politicians of every hue continue in positions of privilege funded by the taxpayer and no one bats an eyelid.
And not only politicians but corporate personnel also
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2024, 12:25:31 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on February 28, 2024, 12:12:49 PMQuote from: LC on February 28, 2024, 11:21:06 AMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41341502.html#:~:text=Former%20Derry%20manager%20Rory%20Gallagher's,precluded%20him%20from%20coaching%20teams.
That's interesting. So Ulster GAA couldn't debar him and so he's free to coach and manage.
I wonder why this took so long as I assume the debarring could have been brought to DRA at the time rather than Feb this year. Perhaps RG was collecting evidence or an investigation concluded?
He is in the same orbit as sue me Paddy Jackson, who never got to play for Ireland again
Ah now, that's a stretch.
Paddy Jackson had a very public court trial where he admitted to doing all sorts. He said consensual and she said not, he was found not guilty of crime, but certainly he was involved in act in question.
The RG scenario is a Social Media post claim with police saying they investigated and took no action (I believe). The online "facts" about things being well known could well be gossip because as far as I know he has never been found guilty of anything.
This is a case of public opinion based on social media content and not necessarily on any facts.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 28, 2024, 12:36:08 PM"Gallagher had been temporarily barred by the Ulster Council as they commissioned a safeguarding panel to look into domestic abuse allegations pertaining to his private life."
Not really sure what the point of this was. If they catch wind of brown envelope payments, drug use, various forms of abuse etc.., I wonder is this just the start of the panel's investigations into member's private lives?
The allegations of abuse were made in a very public dramatic manner, the GAA had no other choice, they are mandated to investigate allegations of violent male abuse against women and while the investigation is ongoing the accused has to stand down. But it should have been a country wide sanction.
While ex Ulster gaa president Mick Duffy was being investigated for serious child abuse cases he still was allowed to mingle and shake hands with the high and mighty on Ulster final day at Casement, while his now adult victims had to witness that, i.e. until a journalist brother of one of the accusers persuaded a newspaper to out Duffy.
Would Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
We'll never know!
Quote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:47 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
We'll never know!
Maybe he'll join Mickey's backroom team ;D
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Yes I would think they would as they seemed desperate to hold on to him despite the public allegations.
I think the comparison with Paddy Jackson is bang on. RG had his own court case albeit more private and the outcome was inconclusive as his wife didn't turn up which left RG off the hook. I think most clubs and counties wouldn't touch him now but there will be a few who will, no doubt.
Quote from: ck on February 28, 2024, 05:35:31 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Yes I would think they would as they seemed desperate to hold on to him despite the public allegations.
I think the comparison with Paddy Jackson is bang on. RG had his own court case albeit more private and the outcome was inconclusive as his wife didn't turn up which left RG off the hook. I think most clubs and counties wouldn't touch him now but there will be a few who will, no doubt.
Link to the article, wouldn't mind a read of it? Didn't know that was the case
Sure Boris Johnson caused thousands of death through been just plain useless and he floating around( probably be made a lord) in his MP role. See Prince Andrew still floating about recently as well. Nothing seems to stick to these lads.
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Yeah, they tried everything possible to keep him
Interesting judgement highlighting another flaw in the conflicting rules of the association.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 05:52:03 PMInteresting judgement highlighting another flaw in the conflicting rules of the association.
Which flaw are you referring to? How did the DRA manage to come to a decision like this when the findings of the report on the allegations against RG have not yet been concluded?
Quote from: Main Street on March 01, 2024, 08:21:03 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 05:52:03 PMInteresting judgement highlighting another flaw in the conflicting rules of the association.
Which flaw are you referring to? How did the DRA manage to come to a decision like this when the findings of the report on the allegations against RG have not yet been concluded?
The flaw being that the rule relied upon by the Safeguarding Panel to disbar RG was in direct conflict with the Rules on disbarment within the Official Guide. The panel holding that when a body within the GAA sought to rely on a rule that was in conflict with the official guide then the rule had to specifically disallow the official guide rules. Which the Safeguarding rules relating to adults don't do. But that the rules relating to safeguarding children do.
They also had issue with whether or not the Safeguarding rules were even applicable as they required disciplinary proceedings to have commenced whereas the Safeguarding panel where at least one step before that in the investigation stage. But the DRA didn't conclusively rule on that point.
Quote from: ck on February 28, 2024, 05:35:31 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Yes I would think they would as they seemed desperate to hold on to him despite the public allegations.
I think the comparison with Paddy Jackson is bang on. RG had his own court case albeit more private and the outcome was inconclusive as his wife didn't turn up which left RG off the hook. I think most clubs and counties wouldn't touch him now but there will be a few who will, no doubt.
He was suspended within 2/3 days of the original posts as far as I recall and that was made permanent within another week or so - hardly reeks of desperation.
Quote from: onefineday on March 02, 2024, 07:52:08 AMQuote from: ck on February 28, 2024, 05:35:31 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on February 28, 2024, 05:12:36 PMWould Derry have taken him back if this happened earlier?
Yes I would think they would as they seemed desperate to hold on to him despite the public allegations.
I think the comparison with Paddy Jackson is bang on. RG had his own court case albeit more private and the outcome was inconclusive as his wife didn't turn up which left RG off the hook. I think most clubs and counties wouldn't touch him now but there will be a few who will, no doubt.
He was suspended within 2/3 days of the original posts as far as I recall and that was made permanent within another week or so - hardly reeks of desperation.
I believe her post was on the 9th of May and he stepped down on the 15th. Given the attention it was getting at the time, it seemed like an eternity and Derry GAA didn't cover themselves in glory.
would there not be a risk for of various activists groups showing up to any match hes at.
RG is training a Down team by all accounts
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:50:31 AMRG is training a Down team by all accounts
Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:50:31 AMRG is training a Down team by all accounts
Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.
Don't see the issue, man should be allowed to get on with his life rather than every time he leaves the house it being reported
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:50:31 AMRG is training a Down team by all accounts
Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.
Don't see the issue, man should be allowed to get on with his life rather than every time he leaves the house it being reported
Oh no issue at all, not what I was getting at. I just thought it was interesting that he'd go to a Derry game and I personally wonder does he still have aspirations there.
100% should be able to get on with things, I've said from the start of the whole episode that no-body should be judged based on someone elses social media posts.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 12:25:43 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:50:31 AMRG is training a Down team by all accounts
Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.
Don't see the issue, man should be allowed to get on with his life rather than every time he leaves the house it being reported
Oh no issue at all, not what I was getting at. I just thought it was interesting that he'd go to a Derry game and I personally wonder does he still have aspirations there.
100% should be able to get on with things, I've said from the start of the whole episode that no-body should be judged based on someone elses social media posts.
I fDonal Trump is allowed to run for the most important job in the world and people vote for him surely RG should be allowed to manage a football team.
Quote from: lenny on March 04, 2024, 06:59:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 12:25:43 PMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on March 04, 2024, 10:22:59 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 04, 2024, 09:58:12 AMQuote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:50:31 AMRG is training a Down team by all accounts
Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.
Don't see the issue, man should be allowed to get on with his life rather than every time he leaves the house it being reported
Oh no issue at all, not what I was getting at. I just thought it was interesting that he'd go to a Derry game and I personally wonder does he still have aspirations there.
100% should be able to get on with things, I've said from the start of the whole episode that no-body should be judged based on someone elses social media posts.
I fDonal Trump is allowed to run for the most important job in the world and people vote for him surely RG should be allowed to manage a football team.
Trump is hardly the barometer you'd want to be using to measure yourself against given the politicised nature of the US judiciary system.
So does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 11:06:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.
Not quite what Hayes was convicted of... had a row with a fellow?... with others dealt out an unmerciful beating on their victim who was lying on the ground causing him serious facial injuries. . let's be accurate
Quote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Yes.
If you can be run out for allegedly being violent towards someone then surely a proven unprovoked violent attack should lead to the same conclusion.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 11:06:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.
If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.
Quote from: ck on March 21, 2024, 09:43:06 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 11:06:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.
If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.
You're completely missing the point
I think the difference is that RG is a manager/coach and isnt doing that for free
Quote from: ck on March 21, 2024, 09:43:06 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 11:06:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 20, 2024, 10:57:17 PMSo does everyone who thinks that Gallagher, who has never been convicted, should be run out of the GAA also think the same should apply to Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes, who was convicted today?
Hayes had a row in a nightclub with a fella I don't think it's comparable to what Gallagher was accused of.
If RG punched your brother and punched your mother would you see these as equal?
Any many who beats up a woman is the scum of the earth in my book.
Exactly. RG far worse. (Although RG is obviously only alleged)
Darren Gleeson?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 21, 2024, 11:07:40 AMDarren Gleeson?
Be interesting to see how long this lasts as his conviction was raised before & the mods went into full shutdown mode.
Complaining about besmirching his reputation, even though he was convicted and it was all in the public domain
So there are, ok convictions and there are bad non convictions, there is bad convictions and good convictions
Will the guy that stabbed the ref get back into the club or should he be roaded out of the community and that GAA circle or can that be resolved with some therapy and resolution?
Plenty of people are happy to sit behind a computer and spout (myself included) without the fear of having to back up accusations
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 21, 2024, 01:32:30 PMSimple fact is RG has not been convicted of any offence. You can't just ban someone because of what someone else says about them... Hayes on the other hand has been convicted in a court of law. Huge difference. Whether Hayes should be banned is a whole other debate. Personally id like to see him play on and be rehabilitated.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 21, 2024, 05:43:22 PMTo take the RG scenario, it was all based on social media claims. There has been a Garda investigation and RG has custody of his kids and there has been no criminal prosecution.
So if the GAA take action against someone based on social media claims then I don't know where that will end.
If someone has been found guilty of a crime in a court or law, then depending on the crime the GAA should take action. Even during a trial they would be within their rights to stand someone down pending an outcome. But I think it has to be crime dependant - for example, if someone was in court for failing to pay their TV licence and was found guilty I wouldn't expect them to be sanctioned within the GAA. If they were found guilty of fraud/murder/assault etc its obviously a different question as they could pose a risk to the organisation or its members. To the best of my knowledge, there are no GAA regulations around someone's criminal past being a factor when participating in GAA though I could be wrong.
In the RG case, if he'd been found guilty in a court of law, or even prosecuted I think the GAA would be within their rights to stand him down to protect others he could come in contact with. But since he hasn't, they have no grounds to do that imo.
Lord save us and bless us, someone applying common sense to things instead of knee-jerk reactions based on social media.
Exactly. If he's not guilty in the eyes of the law the GAA can't really start applying their own law.
It's different for county boards etc and their own discretion. Yes there's the severity, there's what he is supposed to have done etc but he hasn't been found guilty in the eyes of the law.
Hayes was and it's disappointing how Limerick have done what they've done.
Don't get me wrong morally I would be against either or them being involved but if you don't let Gallagher be involved then where do you draw the line so I don't see how the GAA can ban him at all.
Is it a classic example of the GAA acknowledging that gaa managers aren't in it for just the love of the game without actually coming out and saying that?
I'm trying to think of players who have been banned for any convictions? Are the gaa, off the record, treating managers to a higher level of scrutiny than players because they are making money on their involvement with the gaa.
Whole lot of worms spilling over the place. That said, the GAA would have faced a backlash if they had done nothing as well. Sometimes there's no way to win.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 22, 2024, 09:57:34 AMIs it a classic example of the GAA acknowledging that gaa managers aren't in it for just the love of the game without actually coming out and saying that?
I'm trying to think of players who have been banned for any convictions? Are the gaa, off the record, treating managers to a higher level of scrutiny than players because they are making money on their involvement with the gaa.
Whole lot of worms spilling over the place. That said, the GAA would have faced a backlash if they had done nothing as well. Sometimes there's no way to win.
I'd say you've hit the nail on the head there. I know of plenty of ex prisoners that played club football in derry, not a thing said about their past convictions.
Cheers brick. I have heard and read that many different things you dont know what to believe.
Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2024, 10:22:07 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?
They wield the power these days, a crowd who's full time hobby is being angry online, most probably still living at home with their parents.
You'd hope inter county managers wouldn't be hoodwinked by the worlds billionaires and their right wing media distractions ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2024, 10:22:07 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?
Buy him a pint? ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 10:57:52 AMQuote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2024, 10:22:07 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?
Buy him a pint? ;)
"know your enemy..."
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
Quote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse. Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?
Quote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
Like any alleged crime, we let due process through the legal system take its course and stay out of it until an outcome is reached. All you have is one perspective on whatever did or did not happen and no actual facts backed up by evidence.
Like I said earlier though, it is crime dependant. If a coach is accused of something like that, I believe as part of the gaa's safeguarding policy that person should be stood down until any legal proceedings have come to an end to remove any potential risk. But if there are no legal proceedings, then there are no grounds to do anything as its just heresy imo. And if someone is tried and found not guilty, again that should be the end of it.
I could go online now and write a whole set of accusations against a coach. Doesn't mean it's true. But it seems these days that's all it takes to have someone found guilty.
All this public outrage to online claims is bound to affect legal cases adversely if the allegations are true as well. A jury, for example, could have their decision made by an online frenzy before a trial even starts. Its not fair on victims or on those wrongly accused.
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PMQuote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse. Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?
What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 01:41:35 PMQuote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PMQuote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse. Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?
What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?
I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.
I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.
I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.
Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 01:39:34 PMQuote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
Like any alleged crime, we let due process through the legal system take its course and stay out of it until an outcome is reached. All you have is one perspective on whatever did or did not happen and no actual facts backed up by evidence.
Like I said earlier though, it is crime dependant. If a coach is accused of something like that, I believe as part of the gaa's safeguarding policy that person should be stood down until any legal proceedings have come to an end to remove any potential risk. But if there are no legal proceedings, then there are no grounds to do anything as its just heresy imo. And if someone is tried and found not guilty, again that should be the end of it.
I could go online now and write a whole set of accusations against a coach. Doesn't mean it's true. But it seems these days that's all it takes to have someone found guilty.
All this public outrage to online claims is bound to affect legal cases adversely if the allegations are true as well. A jury, for example, could have their decision made by an online frenzy before a trial even starts. Its not fair on victims or on those wrongly accused.
My point is, there's no use comparing ex-county player X with ex-county player Y when they're alleged to have committed two completely different offences. Stealing from an employer to feed a gambling addiction for example doesn't carry the same stigma as allegations of domestic abuse.
Each crime or alleged crime needs to be viewed on an individual basis. I also don't necessarily need a judge and jury to come to a verdict for me to have my mind made up on certain cases.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 01:47:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 01:41:35 PMQuote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PMQuote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse. Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?
What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?
I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.
I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.
I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.
Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.
This relates to the safeguarding of children though does it not?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 02:14:15 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 01:47:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 01:41:35 PMQuote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PMQuote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?
If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse. Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?
What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?
I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.
I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.
I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.
Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.
This relates to the safeguarding of children though does it not?
It's the White Ribbon Charter that (at least) Ulster GAA has signed up to
The White Ribbon Campaign (https://www.northernirelandworld.com/news/people/ulster-gaa-joins-womens-aid-abcln-to-sign-the-white-ribbon-charter-3059676)is a global movement to end male violence against women and send out the message that male violence against women in all its forms is unacceptable.
Women's Aid ABCLN White Ribbon Co-ordinator, Tahnee McCorry said: "The White Ribbon campaign challenges the attitudes and behaviours that lead to end domestic abuse in all its forms. With one in four women affected by domestic abuse in their lifetime, staying silent is not an option.
"We welcome Ulster GAA's commitment to stand with us and help create a society where all women can live in safety, free from violence and abuse."
If any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Some legally dodgy posts removed.
Be careful what you post...
The DRA decision on over turning the suspension is illuminating on a lot that has been discussed here.
From memory (as I haven't read the decision since it was published) RG stood down voluntarily from Derry role shortly after the allegations surfaced. Ulster GAA initially incorrectly thought this was from all GAA roles and were subsequently slow to disbar him.
RG was disbarred through rules dealing with adult safeguarding which conflicted with and did not explicitly disallow the rules in the official guide (unlike the rules relating to child safeguarding). They were therefore void.
On a more general point. The GAA are duty bound to investigate any complaint about any member to the best of their ability if that complaint has the potential to raise safeguarding issues.
The GAA are not bound by criminal court decisions where there is a higher burden of proof and will make all decisions on the balance of probabilities.
Family courts are confidential and the GAA will not be given information in respect of them. The outcome of the family courts is largely irrelevant as a result. It was mentioned here that abusive fathers are more likely to get custody than unsuitable mothers. That isn't really accurate. It's not a zero sum equation. If the court has concerns over both parents it's more likely to place children into care or into the care of other suitable family members.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?
There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?
There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
Show the bit where I said that trial by social media should supersede a court of law?
I have said again if an accusation is made to the authorities and is supported by at least one witness who makes themselves available for further questions and this is repeated or reported on social media that does not mean that it is trial by social media. To then refer it to as trial by social media and ignore the fact that a witness has supported the allegation and made themselves available then that is dismissive language. If you know the witness is lying then call them a liar but don't dismiss their existence or their testimony.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2024, 06:46:44 PMThe DRA decision on over turning the suspension is illuminating on a lot that has been discussed here.
From memory (as I haven't read the decision since it was published) RG stood down voluntarily from Derry role shortly after the allegations surfaced. Ulster GAA initially incorrectly thought this was from all GAA roles and were subsequently slow to disbar him.
RG was disbarred through rules dealing with adult safeguarding which conflicted with and did not explicitly disallow the rules in the official guide (unlike the rules relating to child safeguarding). They were therefore void.
On a more general point. The GAA are duty bound to investigate any complaint about any member to the best of their ability if that complaint has the potential to raise safeguarding issues.
Safeguarding issues do not apply to Rory Gallagher.
QuoteThe GAA are not bound by criminal court decisions where there is a higher burden of proof and will make all decisions on the balance of probabilities.
Family courts are confidential and the GAA will not be given information in respect of them. The outcome of the family courts is largely irrelevant as a result. It was mentioned here that abusive fathers are more likely to get custody than unsuitable mothers. That isn't really accurate. It's not a zero sum equation. If the court has concerns over both parents it's more likely to place children into care or into the care of other suitable family members.
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It is accurate in cases which would resemble the type of RG v Nicola and apparently there are many of these type of cases. RG was not charged with any abuse. We are not talking about a dodgy Davy Tweed looking for custody after being cleared of all charges on a technicality, after spending 4 years in jail and the prosecutor dropped the case due to lack of something.
In a situation where you have a determined, combatant, solid articulate father, with no case of abuse to answer to, with boxes of references and more than competent legal representation versus a partner who has allegedly (but crucially not proven) suffered long term abuse and has acquired an addiction of sorts. The father would most likely gain custody even if decent testimony was offered to support amother's claims of abuse.
What I am saying is that a father being awarded custody does not vindicate the father from allegations of spousal abuse as is being claimed by some posters here.
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:48:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?
There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
Show the bit where I said that trial by social media should supersede a court of law?
I have said again if an accusation is made to the authorities and is supported by at least one witness who makes themselves available for further questions and this is repeated or reported on social media that does not mean that it is trial by social media. To then refer it to as trial by social media and ignore the fact that a witness has supported the allegation and made themselves available then that is dismissive language. If you know the witness is lying then call them a liar but don't dismiss their existence or their testimony.
You're clearly just trying to get annoyed. Again, social media was mentioned as it was the catalyst for the Ulster Council investigation. I'm dismissing no witness ffs. For what it's worth, if anyone is guilty of such a crime, throw away the key.
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 08:56:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2024, 06:46:44 PMThe DRA decision on over turning the suspension is illuminating on a lot that has been discussed here.
From memory (as I haven't read the decision since it was published) RG stood down voluntarily from Derry role shortly after the allegations surfaced. Ulster GAA initially incorrectly thought this was from all GAA roles and were subsequently slow to disbar him.
RG was disbarred through rules dealing with adult safeguarding which conflicted with and did not explicitly disallow the rules in the official guide (unlike the rules relating to child safeguarding). They were therefore void.
On a more general point. The GAA are duty bound to investigate any complaint about any member to the best of their ability if that complaint has the potential to raise safeguarding issues.
Safeguarding issues do not apply to Rory Gallagher.
QuoteThe GAA are not bound by criminal court decisions where there is a higher burden of proof and will make all decisions on the balance of probabilities.
Family courts are confidential and the GAA will not be given information in respect of them. The outcome of the family courts is largely irrelevant as a result. It was mentioned here that abusive fathers are more likely to get custody than unsuitable mothers. That isn't really accurate. It's not a zero sum equation. If the court has concerns over both parents it's more likely to place children into care or into the care of other suitable family members.
It is accurate in cases which would resemble the type of RG v Nicola and apparently there are many of these type of cases. RG was not charged with any abuse. We are not talking about a dodgy Davy Tweed looking for custody after being cleared of all charges on a technicality, after spending 4 years in jail and the prosecutor dropped the case due to lack of something.
In a situation where you have a determined, combatant, solid articulate father, with no case of abuse to answer to, with boxes of references and more than competent legal representation versus a partner who has allegedly (but crucially not proven) suffered long term abuse and has acquired an addiction of sorts. The father would most likely gain custody even if decent testimony was offered to support amother's claims of abuse.
What I am saying is that a father being awarded custody does not vindicate the father from allegations of spousal abuse as is being claimed by some posters here.
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Sorry why do they not apply? Particularly given he was disbarred by the Ulster Adult Safeguarding Panel and his appeal to the DRA was against that panel.
I also don't think we can generalise but my experience albeit I would not profess to be an expert in family courts is that they are particularly conservative and will nearly always not grant full custody to fathers if there has been any form of abuse alleged and certainly will not do so without a thorough and comprehensive investigation involving many specialists in the field. The court is legally obligated to focus on the welfare of the child. The court will hear from social workers, often the children will be separately represented etc etc. That said it also shouldn't be seen as vindication because again the court is focused on the welfare of the child
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 09:27:32 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:48:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?
There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
Show the bit where I said that trial by social media should supersede a court of law?
I have said again if an accusation is made to the authorities and is supported by at least one witness who makes themselves available for further questions and this is repeated or reported on social media that does not mean that it is trial by social media. To then refer it to as trial by social media and ignore the fact that a witness has supported the allegation and made themselves available then that is dismissive language. If you know the witness is lying then call them a liar but don't dismiss their existence or their testimony.
You're clearly just trying to get annoyed. Again, social media was mentioned as it was the catalyst for the Ulster Council investigation. I'm dismissing no witness ffs. For what it's worth, if anyone is guilty of such a crime, throw away the key.
Social media might well have been mentioned but GAA officials were also contacted directly by the accuser. This is not trial by social media.