Brexit.

[armaghniac]

This gibraltar thing really shaking some brits up. May should be prepared to go to war over gibraltar according to michael howard in the telegraph.

Muppets. The colonial superiority complex far from gone in some of them.

The media in the uk really going down a bad path these days.

Yes, to defend the democratic rights of Gibraltarians...who voted 96%-4% to remain in the EU.

Spain played a blinder here, wave a red rag and the British loonies inevitably charged. All that they've said was the Gibraltar was a separate jurisdiction from the UK and that they had a veto, which they had anyway. The Spanish haven't said anything about invading, or put any concrete proposal, but the Englanders lost the plot immediately. Then the Spanish also said that Scotland could apply to the EU, which was also true anyway.

[seafoid]

This gibraltar thing really shaking some brits up. May should be prepared to go to war over gibraltar according to michael howard in the telegraph.

Muppets. The colonial superiority complex far from gone in some of them.

The media in the uk really going down a bad path these days.

Yes, to defend the democratic rights of Gibraltarians...who voted 96%-4% to remain in the EU.

Spain played a blinder here, wave a red rag and the British loonies inevitably charged. All that they've said was the Gibraltar was a separate jurisdiction from the UK and that they had a veto, which they had anyway. The Spanish haven't said anything about invading, or put any concrete proposal, but the Englanders lost the plot immediately. Then the Spanish also said that Scotland could apply to the EU, which was also true anyway.

The Gibraltar thing is interesting because Gibraltar needs the Single market .
The right wing UK media are insane.  I look at the Daily Telegraph site opinion page most days and it is fascinating.
The paper is flogging a sick ideology that will damage the interests of most of its readers. How this happened is the big question.

[NAG1]

This gibraltar thing really shaking some brits up. May should be prepared to go to war over gibraltar according to michael howard in the telegraph.

Muppets. The colonial superiority complex far from gone in some of them.

The media in the uk really going down a bad path these days.

Yes, to defend the democratic rights of Gibraltarians...who voted 96%-4% to remain in the EU.

Spain played a blinder here, wave a red rag and the British loonies inevitably charged. All that they've said was the Gibraltar was a separate jurisdiction from the UK and that they had a veto, which they had anyway. The Spanish haven't said anything about invading, or put any concrete proposal, but the Englanders lost the plot immediately. Then the Spanish also said that Scotland could apply to the EU, which was also true anyway.

The Gibraltar thing is interesting because Gibraltar needs the Single market .
The right wing UK media are insane.  I look at the Daily Telegraph site opinion page most days and it is fascinating.
The paper is flogging a sick ideology that will damage the interests of most of its readers. How this happened is the big question.

The 1%ers at the top wanted to avoid EU regulations on various issues relating to them.
Convinced the little englanders using boardline racist arguments and the whole thing sailed through.

Quite easy actually.

[seafoid]

But at an individual level some of the Telegraph journalists voted Remain and they now spout Brexit nonsense as if it made sense

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/voted-remain-delusional-remainers-damaging-britain/

[armaghniac]

The video is quite funny and a measure of modern video morphing techniques

https://www.facebook.com/BBCLIEFACTORY/videos/1297278163696785/

That said the old Hitler rant is still also quite funny
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a799556/downfall-parody-brexit-boris-johnson-hq/

[seafoid]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/03/war-threats-over-gibraltar-are-rightwing-imperial-fantasies

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Spain played a blinder here, wave a red rag and the British loonies inevitably charged. All that they've said was the Gibraltar was a separate jurisdiction from the UK and that they had a veto, which they had anyway. The Spanish haven't said anything about invading, or put any concrete proposal, but the Englanders lost the plot immediately. Then the Spanish also said that Scotland could apply to the EU, which was also true anyway.

To be honest Spain didn't do much, it was the English press, and Tory right-wingers that played a blinder by going off on one.

You are correct that everything Spaniards said was true.  If they went any further they could be called out for hypocrisy.  If you have a look at Gibraltar on google maps, scroll south to Africa and have a look a the places with international borders and little places labelled "Espana".

People of Gibraltar might be pro-EU but hardly pro a basket case like Spain.

/Jim.

[seafoid]

Brexit is as bad as the bank guarantee, which was also welcomed by the papers at the time

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/04/sharp-rise-in-uk-food-prices-inflates-household-shopping-bill
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit

[armaghniac]

People of Gibraltar might be pro-EU but hardly pro a basket case like Spain.

I'm not quite sure why Spain is a "basket case", when Gibraltar is basically a racket.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

People of Gibraltar might be pro-EU but hardly pro a basket case like Spain.

I'm not quite sure why Spain is a "basket case", when Gibraltar is basically a racket.

A racket the citizen's do well out of.  I know people living there, the see Spain as a basket case because of it's fiscal state, taxes, banks, unemployment etc.  When I last spoke to them last year Spain didn't even have a government due to hung election.

/Jim.

[never kickt a ball]

People of Gibraltar might be pro-EU but hardly pro a basket case like Spain.

I'm not quite sure why Spain is a "basket case", when Gibraltar is basically a racket.

A racket the citizen's do well out of.  I know people living there, the see Spain as a basket case because of it's fiscal state, taxes, banks, unemployment etc.  When I last spoke to them last year Spain didn't even have a government due to hung election.

/Jim.

That's terrible Jim. Imagine that...........

[armaghniac]

A racket the citizen's do well out of.  I know people living there, the see Spain as a basket case because of it's fiscal state, taxes, banks, unemployment etc.  When I last spoke to them last year Spain didn't even have a government due to hung election.

Spain, like Ireland, was growing well but did lose the run of itself with consequent effects on banks. It has high unemployment, but has just had the largest monthly fall on record. It will grow over the next few years and materially reduce the unemployment. As for the government, a hung parliament just means that people didn't vote overwhelmingly for any party. None of these things constitute a "basket case". The people in Gibraltar are in on a racket and may well want to continue this when compared with normality in Spain, but this does not make Spain a "basket case" either.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

A racket the citizen's do well out of.  I know people living there, the see Spain as a basket case because of it's fiscal state, taxes, banks, unemployment etc.  When I last spoke to them last year Spain didn't even have a government due to hung election.

Spain, like Ireland, was growing well but did lose the run of itself with consequent effects on banks. It has high unemployment, but has just had the largest monthly fall on record. It will grow over the next few years and materially reduce the unemployment. As for the government, a hung parliament just means that people didn't vote overwhelmingly for any party. None of these things constitute a "basket case". The people in Gibraltar are in on a racket and may well want to continue this when compared with normality in Spain, but this does not make Spain a "basket case" either.

Okay, people are defensive about the term "basket case" so I will retract it. 

However, what I would say that it is not surprising that the citizens of Gibraltar are happier to have their "racket" than join the Spanish.  Also I think that Spain are on shaky ground trying to force the issue given their own enclaves in Africa.

/Jim.

[johnneycool]

Teresa May is already backtracking on the closed border post Brexit England/UK temporarily. I presume this temporary period will be inline with the free trade period!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39498647

[screenexile]

Brexit wooohoooooooooo!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/06/ryanair-uk-flights-brexit-deal-wto?CMP=share_btn_tw