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I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?

I don't know about the powers that be and their respect for hurling in Kerry but they have a very passionate hurling stronghold in North Kerry and their hurling team is fairly strong just below the Liam McCarthy. Kilkenny have neither a  football team in league nor senior championship. There is literally no comparison between the two.
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You have taken my quote out of context. I was talking about tipp and Cork. Tipp have been in an AI semi final recently and Cork have won many AI finals in football. You brought Kilkenny into the argument as most football people do when making an argument for several football countries that have the same repsect for hurling as Kilkenny do do football. But thats just one Hurling county!

[Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football]

I must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.

In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.

So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.

Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..

These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own

"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?

I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.

There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.

So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.

Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.

The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.

Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.

I wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?

I must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.

In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.

So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.

Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..

These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own

"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?

I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.

There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.

So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.

Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.

Well pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.

And to be honest,  and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.

Offaly is similar in size to Cavan and are they any worse off for supporting both codes? The crux of the matter is the hurling resources being diverted to football. If your county board are as honest as you are then maybe hurling funds should be discarded altogether rather than squandering more resources?

Offaly is still partly in the hurling zone. It has the hurling and camogie culture.  It has all Ireland winners.  Cavan does not.

Yes Im well aware of that but what has it got to do with funding hurling in these counties that say they cant afford both codes?

Well pumping money into training kids that probably are not that interested in being trained in the game wont help either. Personally I think the only way for hurling to thrive in counties like Cavan is for some sort of split season at underage. Example Football April to July, Hurling from Aug to Oct. In small clubs like mine, where you are pulling on the same kids for both sports well in Cavan there will only be one winner.

And to be honest,  and I got big grief for this on another thread, small counties cannot afford to keep 2 intercounty teams running and should be focusing on their primary sport. Cavan hurling has improved but in reality an Intermediate club team in Antrim would probably hammer them and the reality is no one I know would even think about going to watch a game. Sorry.

Offaly is similar in size to Cavan and are they any worse off for supporting both codes? The crux of the matter is the hurling resources being diverted to football. If your county board are as honest as you are then maybe hurling funds should be discarded altogether rather than squandering more resources?

https://twitter.com/ShaneSaint/status/1725590429783986442

Sambo seems very sure where the problem lies. You would think he knows the problems with hurling more than most in that part of the country/

As this is mainly a football site , I ask those from the 5 counties of Leitrim, Fernamagh, Longford, Louth and Cavan what they really think about the proposal to stop them playing league hurling and spend the resources on hurling coaching instead. Is this driven from within and does anyone really care about hurling here? Is there a genuine belief that the GAA is to blame for not promoting hurling in these counties or is that a convenient excuse for the actual truth that the county boards would prefer little or no interference from hurling so they can put all their resources into football?
The reason I ask is I hear the 'nobody here cares about hurling' and on the other hand 'the gaa has failed promotion of the game' in the same breath. The truth lies somehwere between.

Edit to remove caps in thread title...Mod5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-SOlO6Waz0

2 of the greatest goals in hurling, one was this overhead strike and the other a Fenton ground stroke....Skills lost to the modern game

Will be interesting to see does D Clifford make team of the year on the Sunday Game tonight. Thinking of Tony Kelly being turned down last week because of his poor performance in one match

Fantastic Limerick performance.
But the level of thrown hand passes is now off the charts. And I done care if theres a mm of space that only geniuses can see. When will someone stand up and call this out?

Did the person piss in his own shoe while there. The walk out the gate would have been interesting. Dad whys yer man only got one shoe. Sure hes the boy that threw the shoe filled with piss son.

Or did he bring an extra shoe in the knowledge that he would at some stage be pissing in a shoe to throw

I believe they pissed in both shoes of a fan who was already asleep from excess

I know of on incident where a shoe full of urine was thrown in a terrace at a certain hurling match this year

Richie Hogan has been on the go since 2007

I thought Richie was a bit off the pace even though he won a very important free that Clare will be sickened to have given away...like many other free they gave away.

I feel sorry for refs these days. The amount of holding and pulling and dragging is worse than ever and the throw handpass is the culprit yet not one pundit is calling it out. There are ways of making the game easier for the refs if we just have a deep dive into the tackle in hurling and the handpass. Constant blaming the refs is just kicking the can down the road.

Galway are missing a Canning like figure and since he left they have lacked any killer intinct. Thy need to blood new players now as this crop aint going anywhere. Good match though for 50 minutes.