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Title: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Never beat the deeler on March 29, 2017, 10:11:22 PM
So I was chatting to a work mate in the pub last night (I live in Sydney, he's from Sydney and spent a few years in the states) who was quizzing me on Irish history. I was giving him a quick rundown and he is fascinated.
He asked me to recommend a book that would explain in more detail. Any one have any ideas - I want to point him down a fairly balanced path
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: johnneycool on March 29, 2017, 10:17:52 PM
I remember watching a tv series way years ago by Robert Kee, probably a decent starting point but didn't touch on the modern conflicts.
Not sure where you might get it though
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Santino on March 29, 2017, 10:51:56 PM
Robert Kee book Ireland - A History is by far best I've ever read and great resources in it.
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: macdanger2 on March 29, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
A history of Ireland in 250 episodes is a good easy read especially if he hasn't much background knowledge
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 29, 2017, 10:17:52 PM
I remember watching a tv series way years ago by Robert Kee, probably a decent starting point but didn't touch on the modern conflicts.
Not sure where you might get it though

Outstanding show !  There are other ones (books) which you can get, bit like John Craven's newsround style, easy to read with not too much depth, but enough information
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: dec on March 30, 2017, 01:01:43 AM
The whole series seems to be on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-NlJbmY3woh0SDUIy2ION2-DWyoz8oxY
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Never beat the deeler on March 30, 2017, 01:04:27 AM
Thanks guys. I have recommended that he get that Robert Kee book, looks decent.

Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: dec on March 30, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
Modern Ireland 1600-1972 by R.F. Foster is pretty good for the period it covers.
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on March 30, 2017, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: dec on March 30, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
Modern Ireland 1600-1972 by R.F. Foster is pretty good for the period it covers.

Great book but a heavy enough read. Kee is probably the best for giving a fair overview.
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Billys Boots on March 30, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 29, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
A history of Ireland in 250 episodes is a good easy read especially if he hasn't much background knowledge

Agreed on this, great to pick up and put down for again.
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: seafoid on March 30, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
Also possible via music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15y8VOiueBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-KewvkR3SM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8uMRotA5nA
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Denn Forever on March 30, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Irish ways and Irish laws - Moving Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIILCtCtk9o
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: MoChara on March 31, 2017, 08:30:06 AM
Podcasts are the way I've been learning my history now, makes use of the dead time I have traveling to work or about the country, the missus hates it but sure lol

http://irishhistoryshow.ie/
This is a series of 30 odd podcasts on different aspects of Irish History focusing mainly on the 1913 lock out up to the Irish Civil War.

http://irishhistorypodcast.ie/
This is another set of Podcasts mainly dealing with the medieval period and up to late 19th Century.

Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: The Iceman on March 31, 2017, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: MoChara on March 31, 2017, 08:30:06 AM
Podcasts are the way I've been learning my history now, makes use of the dead time I have traveling to work or about the country, the missus hates it but sure lol

http://irishhistoryshow.ie/
This is a series of 30 odd podcasts on different aspects of Irish History focusing mainly on the 1913 lock out up to the Irish Civil War.

http://irishhistorypodcast.ie/
This is another set of Podcasts mainly dealing with the medieval period and up to late 19th Century.
thanks for sharing these have added a load of episodes for time on the road!
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: rosnarun on March 31, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
I think Ulysses should tell him everything he need to know about Ireland or so my private tutor said
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 31, 2017, 05:04:25 PM
For a look at an aspect of our history since 1916 to current times, I would recommend:


Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA by Richard English


A timely work of major historical importance, examining the whole spectrum of events from the 1916 Easter Rising to the current and ongoing peace process, fully updated with a new afterword for the paperback edition.
'An essential book ... closely-reasoned, formidably intelligent and utterly compelling ... required reading across the political spectrum ... important and riveting' Roy Foster, The Times 'An outstanding new book on the IRA ... a calm, rational but in the end devastating deconstruction of the IRA' Henry McDonald, Observer

'Superb ... the first full history of the IRA and the best overall account of the organization. English writes to the highest scholarly standards ... Moreover, he writes with the common reader in mind: he has crafted a fine balance of detail and analysis and his prose is clear, fresh and jargon-free ... sets a new standard for debate on republicanism' Peter Hart, Irish Times

'The one book I recommend for anyone trying to understand the craziness and complexity of the Northern Ireland tragedy.' Frank McCourt, author of Angela's Ashes


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Struggle-History-Richard-English-ebook/dp/B003GWX87Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490976059&sr=8-1&keywords=the+armed+struggle (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Struggle-History-Richard-English-ebook/dp/B003GWX87Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490976059&sr=8-1&keywords=the+armed+struggle)
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 29, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
A history of Ireland in 250 episodes is a good easy read especially if he hasn't much background knowledge

Just started that.  Did he really have to use 'Londonderry'?
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 31, 2017, 07:27:26 PM
On Youtube...BBC Northern Ireland series "The Story of Ireland"  Written and Presented by Fergal Keane in 2011

Episode 1 of 5 Age of Invasions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN0ndWAgA6o&list=PLDB7C584D70B31973

Episode 2 of 5 Age of Conquest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPXaPhpmvtc&index=2&list=PLDB7C584D70B31973

Episode 3 of 5 Age of Revolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R53xY9KiZt8&index=3&list=PLDB7C584D70B31973

Episode 4 of 5 Age of Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOD1fi8omw&list=PLDB7C584D70B31973&index=4

Episode 5 of 5 Age of Nations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2J70RLzA8&list=PLDB7C584D70B31973&index=5

Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Avondhu star on March 31, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 29, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
A history of Ireland in 250 episodes is a good easy read especially if he hasn't much background knowledge
Grow up FFS

Just started that.  Did he really have to use 'Londonderry'?
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 01, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
Was thinking the same thing myself. The book is based on a BBC radio series so it's probably to be expected.

I live in a little place called Derrynoose, I once received a letter from my pension company addressed to L*****Derrynoose!
Title: Re: Irish History for Beginners
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2017, 01:29:01 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 01, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
Was thinking the same thing myself. The book is based on a BBC radio series so it's probably to be expected.

I live in a little place called Derrynoose, I once received a letter from my pension company addressed to L*****Derrynoose!
;D ;D